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bubomb

February 10th, 2006, 12:53 AM

I can honestly say I have never been jealous of England. I was bit worried at Italia 90 and Euro 96. If Gazza had stretched one more inch in 96 then I think the nightmare scenario of England winning a trophy would of become a reality!! Again, in Italia 90, if England had won the penalty shoot out then there was every chance they would of beat the Argies in the final.

Thankfully Englands arses collapsed as usual and the Germans pulled through.

England just don't have the mental strength to win tournaments. Like Spain, they have very good individual players, but they just don't have that winning mentality or mental strength to win anything. Germany, for example, always win when they have to. The 2002 German team was one of the worst German teams for 40 years, but they still managed to get to the World Cup final. The teams that win things are the ones who can play bad but still win games when they have to.

Although there is now a large gap between England and Scotland in terms of quality of international team, it hasn't always been like that and for 90% of the last 100+ years we were both great rivals, with an annual game each year. This is the main reason why Scotland fans hate England fans, simple rivalry. Just like Man City fans hate Man United etc. This rivalry is dying out now though as there is no longer an annual game and there is now a big gap between the quality of the teams.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/british_home_championship

My friends father has some of Wembley in his garage from this famous day. We took the goalposts home. Those were the days. We would always have about 50000 Scots in Wembley with tens of thousands of more in London!! It was great (although the trains ended up in some state!!)

Hilarious clip from Wembley -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/aboutus/wirelesstoweb/decades/clip_display.shtml?decade=70s&clip_name=pitch_invasion&size=v&media_type=video&popup=yes

2zanzibar

February 10th, 2006, 01:04 AM

Fillet Tower

February 10th, 2006, 06:17 PM

I had a look at the other photos (can't post em up as I'm a luddite) which are all naturally very beatiful of course. But one is rather concerned by the gradient of the lower tier; in some of those photos it looks almost flat!
maybe its the camera angle, and mybe once the seats go in it will steepen up a bit optically; I hope so.
With all the height restrictions, why didn't they just lower the pitch ala Nou Camp?
just a thought

It's a pity the photographer can't take some pictures from pitch level. The height of each step may give us some idea of the gradient. This picture (http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates18072005_5x.jpg) shows the steps as being quite short, but maybe the camera or editing has crushed the photos slightly.

Sitback

February 10th, 2006, 08:02 PM

It must be dpressing being a Scot.

JimB

February 10th, 2006, 09:01 PM

The Stadium itself isn't costing £357M. That's the project as a whole, including the land cost, recycling centre, a couple of thousand new homes and other residential facilities (Courtesy of Red Ken's insistance) . I think the stadium alone was reported to be around £100M.

Much more than £100 million. No way you could build a stadium in central London of the high quality and specification of the Emirates stadium for a mere £1,670 per seat. I'd say the true cost of the actual stadium (as opposed to related projects) is in the region of twice your estimate - £200 million.

As to the Emirates being much neater and further advanced than Wembley, it's hardly surprising. In pure engineering terms, Wembley is an infinitely more complicated project than the Emirates and the potential for delays was always going to be far greater.

Its AlL gUUd

February 11th, 2006, 01:10 AM

^^Yeh i suppose living on cloud cuckoo land helps comfort u if u fail to reach a major final in the last 8 years

Sparks

February 11th, 2006, 02:34 AM

You can see from the latest pictures that the hospitality sections in Wembley are more advanced than this.

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates09022006_03x.jpg

highburysouljah

February 11th, 2006, 06:55 AM

there is a big gap between the lower tier and the pitch, is there a reason for it

Fillet Tower

February 11th, 2006, 11:58 AM

Much more than £100 million. No way you could build a stadium in central London of the high quality and specification of the Emirates stadium for a mere £1,670 per seat. I'd say the true cost of the actual stadium (as opposed to related projects) is in the region of twice your estimate - £200 million.

It's difficult to calculate the actual cost of the stadium alone as the project on a whole is on a massive scale, including 5 housing developments.
Either way, it's a great deal less money than Wembley's £445M design and construction cost, just for a third extra seats. And Wembley is only on the outskirts of London.

Changing the subject...
The building connected to the North Bridge..
Looks a little too big to be merely an entrance building. Does anyone have any idea of it's use? I'm thinking it could be the box office or admin/retail.

http://www.arsenal.com/images/thestadium/gallery/small/img4.jpg
http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates19012006_01x.jpg

James21

February 11th, 2006, 01:25 PM

the building is all the office space and admin. Which is crazy when you consider that currently that is all in the east stand and we are building this huge new stadium without any, i love it! I was hoping they would white render that building, like the east stand, for a bit of class, but i bet they wont.

As for the gap between pitch and seats they have been putting down loads of matting (i think the undersoil heating) and then putting soil on top, so i guess that will dissapear as the pitch goes in and the level gets raised.

The cost cant really be worked out i guess but when you consider how much property they are going to be selling off, facilities they have put in the local area etc. it cant be a huge part of the total. By the time they sell highbury, other flats etc the debt will come down significantly.

now all we need is seats

JimB

February 11th, 2006, 01:50 PM

It's difficult to calculate the actual cost of the stadium alone as the project on a whole is on a massive scale, including 5 housing developments.

I know all about the associated construction projects. But I'll bet you anything you like that there is no way that the cost of the actual stadium is as low as your suggested £100 million. The Emirates stadium is being built to a very high specification. I very much doubt that Arsenal will see much change from £200 million for the stadium build alone.

Either way, it's a great deal less money than Wembley's £445M design and construction cost, just for a third extra seats. And Wembley is only on the outskirts of London.

Wembley is an infinitely more complicated project and is being built to an even higher specification than the Emirates. The arch; the retractable roof; and many other features all make Wembley a far more costly project. And Wembley won't just have "a third extra seats", as you claim. It will have 50% more seats. And there comes a stage at which (because of the height required etc.) every extra seat is far more expensive than each seat in a smaller stadium.

Furthermore, I believe the initial cost of building Wembley was in the region of £370 million. Costs have overrun because of disputes between Multipex and their steel contractors and disputes with other sub-contractors. And costs have also overrun because of initial problems with the steel for the arch and with the concrete foundations. But these have been the builders' problems - not Wembley stadium's. Lastly, for the purposes of major construction projects, Wembley is every bit as much a central London project as the Emirates stadium. Wembley is most certainly NOT on the outskirts of London!! Have you ever been there?

Diaby

February 11th, 2006, 01:51 PM

Unfortunately for you James the building will be covered in zinc clad (similar to the jewish museum in Berlin). A description as well as the pics can be found here http://www.arsenal.com/emiratesstadium/article.asp?article=303520

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates18112005_1x.jpg
http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates18112005_2x.jpg

Sparks

February 11th, 2006, 02:02 PM

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bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 02:16 PM

It must be dpressing being a Scot.

It must be depressing being English, having such a large country with a huge footballing culture and superb players - and never winning anything. England and Spain, Officially the 2 worst major footballing countries in the World.

but who has the worst record, England or Spain?

20 points for a World Cup
12 points for runners up
7 points for a semi
3 points for a quarter final

14 points for a European Championship
8 points for runners up
4 points for a semi
1 points for a quarter final

Only one score of points per tournament. For example, England get 20 points for 1966, they don't get 20 + 7 + 3 for 1966.

Let's do the math!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/about...video&popup=yes

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 02:27 PM

OooHHHhhhh - It was close.

England - 51 points
Spain - 43 points.

Spain are officially the worst major footballing team in the world.

Sitback

February 11th, 2006, 02:39 PM

^^Yeh i suppose living on cloud cuckoo land helps comfort u if u fail to reach a major final in the last 8 years

Tell me about it. Waking up every morning in a county like Scotland, your highlights of the year being the watching of England in whatever competition and hoping they fail, purely down to the fact that Scotland are so crap at every sport and ain't in it.

Ah Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Sitback

February 11th, 2006, 02:48 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/about...video&popup=yes

And?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/515000/images/_517139_gazza150.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/36379000/jpg/_36379494_gazzadentist300.jpg

:)

James21

February 11th, 2006, 02:54 PM

thats the northern triangle building, not the arsenal hq. i must say i dont like the look of that zinc, looks like a big prefab!!

havent seen any pics of the hq building, but it looks like a glass and steel number to me!

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 03:09 PM

What's wrong with Scotland!! My English neighbours love it!! Very friendly people, great scenery and so much to do as you are in some of the most spectacular terrain in the world.

As for London!! My neighbours moved to Scotland because of London!! In fact, you will be shocked at the amount of English people in Scotland because of London.

I cannot think of a worse place to live in the UK than London. No mountain biking, no skiing, no hill walking - just chavs, traffic, crime, footie, pubs and cockneys - No Thanks. Great place to visit, hellhole to live in (unless you are loaded).

In fact, i'm off skiing tomorrow. Try doing that in London.

In fact, why do people live in London? It's awful!! As I said, a great place for a week visit, but imagine having to live there!! I guess a lot of people are forced to live there because of jobs.

eddyk

February 11th, 2006, 03:09 PM

If it wasn't corogated, or the corners of the buildings were rounded....it would be much better.

MoreOrLess

February 11th, 2006, 03:14 PM

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 03:30 PM

And?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/515000/images/_517139_gazza150.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/36379000/jpg/_36379494_gazzadentist300.jpg

:)

Last ever England v Scotland game at the old Wembley -

England 0 - Scotland 1

http://www.newtyletartanarmy.co.uk/scoteng2.jpeg

http://www.ling.ed.ac.uk/~kenny/match_reports/playoff_eng_away.html
http://www.newtyletartanarmy.co.uk/tartanarmynewtylewembley99.htm

Last ever England game at the old Wembley -

England 0 - Germany 1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/960000/images/_961394_4_haman_ap300.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/960000/images/_961394_7_players_dejec_alls300.jpg

Jim Baxter at Wembely in '67, who played keepie upies during the game, against England which Scotland won 3-2 to be beat the World Cup holders in their first game since winning the World Cup -

http://www.newtyletartanarmy.co.uk/baxter1967a.jpg

http://www.phoenixcontemporary.co.uk/beautgame/images/scotland/JimBaxter_th.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/sports_talk/1187204.stm
http://www.newtyletartanarmy.co.uk/tartanarmynewtylehistory05.htm

Taking their goals home to Glasgow -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/about...video&popup=yes

http://www.phoenixcontemporary.co.uk/beautgame/images/scotland/Wembley_th.jpg

Face facts - you were born to lose!!

Iain1974

February 11th, 2006, 03:49 PM

I think I could see you in the background of the 0-1 Germany game picture.

Now be honest bubomb, is this you?

http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/simpsons-photos/wallpapers/groundskeeper-wille.jpg

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 03:49 PM

Your pretty much proving my point for me, if Scotland were competing on the same level as England then I very much doubt there would be nearly as much interest from Scots in how England perform.

Simply not true. Even if Scotland were World Cup holders, we would still love to see England lose. It's the way it is. Always has been, always will be. Even when Scotland had amazing players in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's, we still loved to see England lose. When we invaded London every year, beat England and took your pitch and goals home to Glasgow, we still loved to see England lose.

Just like Man City fans love to see Man United lose, just like England fans love to see Germany lose, it's just the way things are. Scots have always loved to see England lose, even when we were much better than England during the 70's, we still loved it when England lost.

One of the reasons is because every 4 years you actually believe you can win the World Cup, when to everybody else it is so obvious that you won't. If you were honest and said - 'We will give it a shot but will probably get nowhere as usual', then Scots wouldn't hate you so much. But every 4 years, English commentators and English fans start this nonsense about winning the thing when they are clearly not good enough, and then everybody else bursts out laughing when you fall flat on your faces. It happens every 4 years, you would think you might learn!!

Read this and learn. Your commentators are the worst for thinking England are far far better than they actually are. You have the 2nd worst record for a major footballing team in tournaments, but still your commentators talk rubbish about being one of the best teams in the world. Every 4 years this happens -

"Last night's football coverage revealed, in obviously a far milder form, the deep-rooted belief that causes the appalling behaviour of English supporters at almost every international football tournament, and lies at the heart of what so many people and nations hate about the English - the absolute conviction that the world revolves around them, and that they're the world's rulers by right"

http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/english.htm

Have you never wondered why everybody (not just Scots) outside of England hates the English football team/fans? It can't be jealousy because you never win anything!!

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 03:51 PM

This is me -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39441000/jpg/_39441466_bagpipes_gi300x245.jpg

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 03:53 PM

"Scotland supplied, per head of population, a considerably higher proportion of the Allied troops who landed in Normandy in 1944 than England, yet there is no antagonism between Scotland and Germany now, and there hasn't been for decades. There were no "Achtung Surrender!" headlines in Scottish tabloids when Scotland played Germany in the Euro 2004 qualifiers, you never hear Irish people using the word "Krauts" or the Welsh singing songs about the war at football matches. (Though this sports fan always loved the dim-witted irony of England supporters singing "two world wars and one World Cup" as an assertion of their superiority over a nation that's won, er, three World Cups.) It's only the English who are obsessed with these past glories, only the English who desperately cling to a lost age of power and influence when everyone else has moved on from the middle of the last century"

You should read this article, it is spot on -

http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/english.htm

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 03:58 PM

Its AlL gUUd

February 11th, 2006, 04:05 PM

^^ U keep telling yourself that, by the way euro 2000, wc 2002, euro 2004, wc 2006, lets talk about these tournaments, whoops! i forgot scotland didn't make it, never mind lets try euro 2008. c'mon scotland (i love Scotland)

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 04:13 PM

You should know. England went TEN years from 1970-80 without qualifying for anything!! You have the record, but I think we will beat it!! (technically we have matched it, as if we qualify for 2008 then that will be 10 years)

We have 5 million people, you have 50 million people and you have the record for the longest period of not qualifying for tournaments.

That's really BAD!!

JimB

February 11th, 2006, 04:13 PM

You should read this article, it is spot on -

http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/english.htm

I've read the article and, while not entirely without merit, it is fatally compromised by the blatant, one-eyed, bitter, chippy subjectivity of the typically bigoted, anti-English Scot.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that the author is actually you.

andysimo123

February 11th, 2006, 04:21 PM

Arsenal 0-1 Bolton

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 04:29 PM

I've read the article and, while not entirely without merit, it is fatally compromised by the blatant, one-eyed, bitter, chippy subjectivity of the typically bigoted, anti-English Scot.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that the author is actually you.

It's not written by me, although my name is Stuart.

The article is 100% accurate, but obviously you cannot see this as you have the "The English Disease"!!

It's like anorexia. The patient cannot tell they are ill. It is a symptom of the illness!!

If the article is wrong, then please tell me why everybody in Europe hates England? Nobody is hated as much as England!! Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Italy, Germany, Holland etc are not hated on a huge scale, but England are....why?

MoreOrLess

February 11th, 2006, 04:31 PM

Simply not true. Even if Scotland were World Cup holders, we would still love to see England lose. It's the way it is. Always has been, always will be. Even when Scotland had amazing players in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's, we still loved to see England lose. When we invaded London every year, beat England and took your pitch and goals home to Glasgow, we still loved to see England lose.

Just like Man City fans love to see Man United lose, just like England fans love to see Germany lose, it's just the way things are. Scots have always loved to see England lose, even when we were much better than England during the 70's, we still loved it when England lost.

As I said nationalism does play a part aswell just like Man United and Man City being in the same city obviously plays a part. In both cases however I believe the divide in sucess between them two teams has resulted in the less sucessful set of supporters focusing more on the sucess or failiure of their rivals than their own team. Everytime I hear a Man City fan talk it seems to be about Man Utd and simularly the vast majority of your posts on this forum are not about Scottish stadiums or teams but belittling ones within England.

One of the reasons is because every 4 years you actually believe you can win the World Cup, when to everybody else it is so obvious that you won't. If you were honest and said - 'We will give it a shot but will probably get nowhere as usual', then Scots wouldn't hate you so much. But every 4 years, English commentators and English fans start this nonsense about winning the thing when they are clearly not good enough, and then everybody else bursts out laughing when you fall flat on your faces. It happens every 4 years, you would think you might learn!!

Read this and learn. Your commentators are the worst for thinking England are far far better than they actually are. You have the 2nd worst record for a major footballing team in tournaments, but still your commentators talk rubbish about being one of the best teams in the world. Every 4 years this happens -

"Last night's football coverage revealed, in obviously a far milder form, the deep-rooted belief that causes the appalling behaviour of English supporters at almost every international football tournament, and lies at the heart of what so many people and nations hate about the English - the absolute conviction that the world revolves around them, and that they're the world's rulers by right"

http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/english.htm

Have you never wondered why everybody (not just Scots) outside of England hates the English football team/fans? It can't be jealousy because you never win anything!!

This is exactly one of the excuses that the jealous anti supporter will use. Obviously the english fans/media will focus on their own team more than others the same as anywhere else but the idea that every Englishman thinks were going to win the world cup every 4 years is nonsense and you know it. Its hard to say for sure as I don't have much access of other countries sports reports but I'd guess that if anything our sports media is more self critical than almost anywhere else. As you've said youself England are a major footballing nation so expecting us to compete at the highest level(rather than win every world cup) isnt arrogance its a fair assessment of the situation however much it may raise the ire of those north of the boarder.

The reason for any dislike of England outside the UK is I'd guess down to the violent reputation of our supports at club and national level rather than any perception of arrogance, although I'd say its largely undeserved these days.

I'd add that Englands relative underperformance is no worse than Scotland, yes you've got a relatively small population but did that stop Croatia, Denmark, Bulgaria, Sweden, Belgium etc, all of whome have achieved vastly more than Scotland in recent years with most likely far fewer resouces.

Iain1974

February 11th, 2006, 04:50 PM

I note that you regard England and Spain as international failures.

Correct me if I'm wrong but havent English and Spanish clubs won more European trophies than any other nation?

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 05:32 PM

As I said nationalism does play a part aswell just like Man United and Man City being in the same city obviously plays a part. In both cases however I believe the divide in sucess between them two teams has resulted in the less sucessful set of supporters focusing more on the sucess or failiure of their rivals than their own team. Everytime I hear a Man City fan talk it seems to be about Man Utd and simularly the vast majority of your posts on this forum are not about Scottish stadiums or teams but belittling ones within England.

This is exactly one of the excuses that the jealous anti supporter will use. Obviously the english fans/media will focus on their own team more than others the same as anywhere else but the idea that every Englishman thinks were going to win the world cup every 4 years is nonsense and you know it. Its hard to say for sure as I don't have much access of other countries sports reports but I'd guess that if anything our sports media is more self critical than almost anywhere else. As you've said youself England are a major footballing nation so expecting us to compete at the highest level(rather than win every world cup) isnt arrogance its a fair assessment of the situation however much it may raise the ire of those north of the boarder.

The reason for any dislike of England outside the UK is I'd guess down to the violent reputation of our supports at club and national level rather than any perception of arrogance, although I'd say its largely undeserved these days.

I'd add that Englands relative underperformance is no worse than Scotland, yes you've got a relatively small population but did that stop Croatia, Denmark, Bulgaria, Sweden, Belgium etc, all of whome have achieved vastly more than Scotland in recent years with most likely far fewer resouces.

First of all, the English media are awful. They appeal to the braindead fan. Ian Wright after the N.Ireland game was embarrassing. After the N.Ireland game not one of the English TV guys gave N.Ireland any credit at all for winning. It was all about how bad England were. I have never seen such a bad losing, arrogant, selfish and undignified bunch in all my life!! The genuinely believe the world revolves around England!! They have no humility or modesty at all. Ian Wright should of been punched in the face!! No other country would have a grown chav as a media presenter on live TV. Trust me, the English commentators are morons who are completely unobjective. If you are English you won't see it, but everybody else does. Irish and Scottish commentators are not like that. They are honest and objective.

Second of all, the small countries you mention are doing better than us because we are going through the worst spell in our 100+ year history. When those countries went through their bad spells, we were far far better than them. Over the last 100 years, we have done better than all those countries except maybe Belgium and Sweden, who happen to have double our population.

In a few years we will be back to being far better than most these countries. We finished 3rd in our World Cup group, the same as Bulgaria and higher than Belgium. This was at our lowest point in our history. At our highest, we were 4th favourites to win the World Cup (1978).

How did the countries you mentioned do at the lowest points in their history? They were 7-0 whipping boys at their lowest points.

There are very few countries in Europe as small as Scotland. Belgium and Sweden are 100% bigger.

I would say Scotland highly underperformaned in the 70's, as we had amazing players back then. We are the only country ever to get knocked out the first round unbeaten (1974, 2 draws and a win. Draws were against a very good Brazil and a very good Yugoslavia). In 1978 we got knocked out at the first round (including a 3-2 win over finalists holland and the best goal ever scored at a World Cup) as we were arrogant and presumed we would thrash the smaller countries in our group. The team then self-imploded with drinking and a drugs scandal and all sorts of fighting in the team. We should of got to the final, instead we self-destructed!!

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 05:40 PM

I note that you regard England and Spain as international failures.

Correct me if I'm wrong but havent English and Spanish clubs won more European trophies than any other nation?

I was talking about international teams, not club teams.

2005

February 11th, 2006, 07:01 PM

I note that you regard England and Spain as international failures.

Correct me if I'm wrong but havent English and Spanish clubs won more European trophies than any other nation?

I think Italian Clubs have won more but English clubs have won a lot.

2zanzibar

February 11th, 2006, 07:35 PM

"Scotland supplied, per head of population, a considerably higher proportion of the Allied troops who landed in Normandy in 1944 than England, yet there is no antagonism between Scotland and Germany now, and there hasn't been for decades. There were no "Achtung Surrender!" headlines in Scottish tabloids when Scotland played Germany in the Euro 2004 qualifiers, you never hear Irish people using the word "Krauts" or the Welsh singing songs about the war at football matches. (Though this sports fan always loved the dim-witted irony of England supporters singing "two world wars and one World Cup" as an assertion of their superiority over a nation that's won, er, three World Cups.) It's only the English who are obsessed with these past glories, only the English who desperately cling to a lost age of power and influence when everyone else has moved on from the middle of the last century"
]

Although most of the stuff you write bubomb can be of the bedsit geek variety with far too much time on your hands, this quote is spot on.

No matter how much we perform/underperform, we still have a MASSIVE problem with some VERY deluded fans.

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 07:42 PM

Although most of the stuff you write bubomb can be of the bedsit geek variety with far too much time on your hands, this quote is spot on.

No matter how much we perform/underperform, we still have a MASSIVE problem with some VERY deluded fans.

Thanks......sort of :)

2zanzibar

February 11th, 2006, 07:53 PM

I think the renderings will not do it justice. The northern triangle is designed by czwg architects. Pretty much all their buildings are quite funky...i'm trying to think of a few.....theres the mustard yellow strange irregular block of flats opposite Tate Modern....the grass bridge in East London..some dockland stuff..china wharf.
I'm glad they're doing the work rather than your usual bland yellowbrick barratt home architects. It shows Arsenal care about their architectural contribution to the area

KiwiBrit

February 11th, 2006, 09:02 PM

Bubomb, I have to agree with you 100% about

KiwiBrit

February 11th, 2006, 09:30 PM

bubomb

February 11th, 2006, 10:12 PM

Bubomb, I have to agree with you 100% about a lot of the English media, expecting England to win any tournament they are competing in. However, do you not think this is the case for just about any country that has even an outside chance of winning a competition!. I bet if you pick up certain tabloid newspapers in Spain today they will be saying the same stuff. as well as Germany, Holland, Italy etc. etc. Even the very average Brazil teams at the '74 and '78 World Cups were expected to bring the trophy home, at least according to their press and most devoted fans. Even though they were a shadow of previous great Brazil teams. So what the English media is doing is not a one off.

As for your argument about everyone hating England. You are talking utter crap. Sure Scotland has a huge chip on it's shoulder about England, but that's to do with history and our geographical location to one another. German and Dutch football fans for instance, probably have a mutual dislike for each other, but neither really cares that England has a bad tournament in the way you do.

Once and for all please drop this anti-English feeling you have. Just get over it. Instead, put all your energies into thinking Scotland will, in a few years time (according to your earlier post) become a great team again. I'm sure the rest of the footballing world are all quaking in their boots as I write!

I never said we will be a great team again. We will be better though. We have never been a 'great' team. Could of been in the 70's, but not quite. As for other countries, I'm sure German and Italian newspapers think they can win things as they do actually win things and get to finals. If the Spanish media does it, then they are as bad as the English media. It's not just tabloids, the worst culprit is the BBC. Ian Wright after the N.Ireland game a complete fool of himself. This was a live chav on TV making a complete arse of himself and acting like your average England fan. I couldn't believe what I was watching!! The sad thing is that most England fans will try and defend this guy. If that was a Scottish presenter doing that after a Scotland game, I would be the first to call him a total arse.

Everyone does hate England. Trust me. I have been to many away games in Europe, and everybody hates England.

MoreOrLess

February 11th, 2006, 11:37 PM

I think Italian Clubs have won more but English clubs have won a lot.

On European cups/champs leagues its level with 10 a peice, I believe that were one ahead if you also take the cup winners cup and the UEFA cup into consideration.

I'd agree with Bubomb that you get some bad pundits like Wright incapable of impartial thought plus the rabble rousing tabloid scum but to say the entire british media think were going to win the world cup is obviously false. Any countries media is obviously going to focus on its own team, if anything I'd say theres more of an interest in other leagues/national teams in the UK than in most other major footballing nations. Look at any major tournament and you'll see loads more fans at neutral games than pretty much anyone else bar maybe the hosts.

There are very few countries in Europe as small as Scotland. Belgium and Sweden are 100% bigger.

Croatia and Denmark have roughly the same populations and they've reached world cup semi's and won a european championship respectively in the last 15 years. Scotland is a decent sized footballing nation with a great deal more footballing resources than many similar sized nations so stop trying to pretend your on a par with San Marino.

Would you please stop jabbering on about "the empire" aswell, nobody under 60 can remeber the last time the UK was much more relevant in world affairs than it is today. If anything I'd say its actually our former colonies(who's white citizens often benefited from it alot more than the average brit) and our fellow union members(one of whome made up a disportionally large part of the empire builders) who live in the past a great deal more, chanting battle songs from centuries ago or trying to proove themselves to a powerful England that no longer exists. You really need to make your mind up aswell, half the time your crowing about England underachiving for a major footballing nation and the other half your lambastering us for daring to think that we are a major footballing nation.

KiwiBrit

February 12th, 2006, 12:30 AM

I would say Scotland highly underperformaned in the 70's, as we had amazing players back then. We are the only country ever to get knocked out the first round unbeaten (1974, 2 draws and a win. Draws were against a very good Brazil and a very good Yugoslavia).

Once again your 'facts' amaze me. With the minimum of research I dicovered in the last 6 World cups alone, at least 4 teams have been eliminated without losing a game. Cameroon ('82), Holland ('90), Belgium ('98) and maybe the one that may surprise you the most England ('82). Englands being the most bizarre owing to the fact they got through TWO group stages of that campaign unbeaten, a total of FIVE games, compared to every other nation being eliminated after three games.

So please, before you lecture us about unique Scottish football facts at least get your facts right!

:nono:

Its AlL gUUd

February 12th, 2006, 12:55 AM

2zanzibar

February 12th, 2006, 01:21 AM

On European cups/champs leagues its level with 10 a peice, I believe that were one ahead if you also take the cup winners cup and the UEFA cup into consideration.
.

Incredibly out of 52 European Cup finals, Italian teams have played in 24 of them!
that said out of that 24 they've been losers 14 times!
While English teams have been finalists only 12 times yet won 10

European cup finals:
Italian teams: played 24 - won 10
English teams: played 12 - won 10
Spanish teams:played 19 - won 10

Its AlL gUUd

February 12th, 2006, 01:35 AM

^^ and dont forget English teams were banned for 5 years, most probably england would have had over 10

Iain1974

February 12th, 2006, 02:41 AM

^^ and dont forget English teams were banned for 5 years, most probably england would have had over 10

We didn't enter the first few either.

So in fact we've done pretty well at club level internationally. Add the CWC and UEFA Cups and we're at the top of the list (admittedly the CWC was never on a par with the European Cup)

kingdomca

February 12th, 2006, 04:49 AM

KiwiBrit

February 12th, 2006, 05:16 AM

Well said Kingdomca. Sanity at last.

:)

JackSwan

February 12th, 2006, 06:33 AM

I never said we will be a great team again. We will be better though. We have never been a 'great' team. Could of been in the 70's, but not quite. As for other countries, I'm sure German and Italian newspapers think they can win things as they do actually win things and get to finals. If the Spanish media does it, then they are as bad as the English media. It's not just tabloids, the worst culprit is the BBC. Ian Wright after the N.Ireland game a complete fool of himself. This was a live chav on TV making a complete arse of himself and acting like your average England fan. I couldn't believe what I was watching!! The sad thing is that most England fans will try and defend this guy. If that was a Scottish presenter doing that after a Scotland game, I would be the first to call him a total arse.

Everyone does hate England. Trust me. I have been to many away games in Europe, and everybody hates England.

you do know english people read these sites, right? i'm only checking because you seem to have a pathological inability to make any comments that aren't in some way taking a swipe at england, its stadia, her fans and their attitude. perhaps if you tried getting behind a british team (as scotland unfortunately didn't qualify for the world cup), you'd actually enjoy the game rather than - as you appear to constantly do - hate it.

to counter your appallingly negative attitude, i'll support scotland in the six nations game played later today.

http://www.geocities.com/sonsofulster/st-andrew.gif

nostatic

February 12th, 2006, 06:33 AM

Scotland cares about England but England doesn't care Scotland. It's like in the Pacific; New Zealand cares about Australia but Australia doesnt care about New Zealand. Small genitalia syndrome.

Fillet Tower

February 12th, 2006, 12:14 PM

thats the northern triangle building, not the arsenal hq. i must say i dont like the look of that zinc, looks like a big prefab!!

I was there yesterday and I've got to say, so far, that building makes the old tower block beyond it look classy! It should look better when it's finished though.

Fillet Tower

February 12th, 2006, 12:52 PM

I know all about the associated construction projects. But I'll bet you anything you like that there is no way that the cost of the actual stadium is as low as your suggested £100 million. The Emirates stadium is being built to a very high specification. I very much doubt that Arsenal will see much change from £200 million for the stadium build alone.

Wembley is an infinitely more complicated project and is being built to an even higher specification than the Emirates. The arch; the retractable roof; and many other features all make Wembley a far more costly project. And Wembley won't just have "a third extra seats", as you claim. It will have 50% more seats. And there comes a stage at which (because of the height required etc.) every extra seat is far more expensive than each seat in a smaller stadium.

Furthermore, I believe the initial cost of building Wembley was in the region of £370 million. Costs have overrun because of disputes between Multipex and their steel contractors and disputes with other sub-contractors. And costs have also overrun because of initial problems with the steel for the arch and with the concrete foundations. But these have been the builders' problems - not Wembley stadium's. Lastly, for the purposes of major construction projects, Wembley is every bit as much a central London project as the Emirates stadium. Wembley is most certainly NOT on the outskirts of London!! Have you ever been there?

I wouldn't bet against your figures as I said I was only stating a quote I'd seen. I remember thinking at the time it seemed a lower than I thought it would be.
And what I meant about a third was the 90,000 seats compared to 60,000 as you fully well know!

As for Wembley i've been there about a dozen times (old stadium and Arena) and it is has always been situated outside the North Circular road (A406) and has never had a London postcode having been part of Middlesex (Like Enfield and many other London border towns). Why do people assume that everwhere within the M25 is London??. Also, Wembley is at least twice as far from the city than Ashburton Grove. So, Central London? No.

JimB

February 12th, 2006, 01:12 PM

Everybody hating England is obviously wrong. YOU hate England is more true.

Denmark have a 40,000 national stadium which is usually full for qualifiers and quite empty for friendlies, except for England, which is the only team that can fill the place for a friendly. no one else comes close.
And unlike scots, the attendance isnt driven by hate.

No, no, no, kingdomca. You can't possibly say that.

You must "trust" bubomb. He's been all over Europe. He knows Danish people better than you. He knows Swedes better than Swedes. He knows Greeks better than Greeks. He knows the Swiss better than the Swiss. He knows Romanians better than Romanians.

Take it from him. The English are hated all over Europe.

And take it from him. You hate the English too. Really, you do. He knows you better than you.

;)

JimB

February 12th, 2006, 01:35 PM

As for Wembley i've been there about a dozen times (old stadium and Arena) and it is has always been situated outside the North Circular road (A406) and has never had a London postcode having been part of Middlesex (Like Enfield and many other London border towns). Why do people assume that everwhere within the M25 is London??. Also, Wembley is at least twice as far from the city than Ashburton Grove. So, Central London? No.

Since when was the north circular London's boundary? And who cares about postcodes? We're not talking about sending a letter! Who cares about whether, historically, Wembley is part of Middlesex or central London? Fulham, Chelsea, Camden, Battersea, Islington, Hampstead and just about every other area of London were all once towns or villages in their own right too. Do you consider them not to be part of London either?The fact remains that Wembley is in the London borough of Brent. And the fact remains that Wembley is deep inside the developed area that is generally considered to be London (Enfield is a ridiculous comparison, as I'm sure you well know). So stop being such a pedant. For practical purposes - and certainly with regards to major construction projects - Wembley is in London. In other words, it is every bit as subject to the inflated costs of building in London as Finsbury Park, Holloway or Islington.

Its AlL gUUd

February 12th, 2006, 01:45 PM

Fillet Tower

February 12th, 2006, 04:15 PM

Since when was the north circular London's boundary? And who cares about postcodes? We're not talking about sending a letter! Who cares about whether, historically, Wembley is part of Middlesex or central London? Fulham, Chelsea, Camden, Battersea, Islington, Hampstead and just about every other area of London were all once towns or villages in their own right too. Do you consider them not to be part of London either?The fact remains that Wembley is in the London borough of Brent. And the fact remains that Wembley is deep inside the developed area that is generally considered to be London (Enfield is a ridiculous comparison, as I'm sure you well know). So stop being such a pedant. For practical purposes - and certainly with regards to major construction projects - Wembley is in London. In other words, it is every bit as subject to the inflated costs of building in London as Finsbury Park, Holloway or Islington.

I never said the North Circular was a boundary, but much of the exterior of that road is not built up in the way Central London is. Near where I live, Ilford is in the London Borough of Redbridge, but is part of Essex. Your argument was that Wembley was not on the outskirts of London. It is. But I understand that Wembley would have near enough, the same inflated costs. Let's just leave it at, or this thread will become another 'argument thread'.

Ashburton Grove.....

carlspannoosh

February 13th, 2006, 01:12 AM

I walked past the other day and the whole development looked terrific but i have to say when I saw this

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates09092005_02x.jpg

instead of this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/carlspannard/outsidetheeaststand.jpg

:bash:

bubomb

February 13th, 2006, 04:00 AM

BUBOMB
your just making yourself and scotland look ridiculous.
Denmark´s population is the same as scotland´s and we won EURO 92 and have qualified for the last 5 straight tournaments before missing out this time for the first time since 1994, scotland on the other hand failed for 4th time in a row.
Then you can repeat your crowd figures but unfortunately that just makes scotland´s failures more embarrassing.

Perhaps the difference is the average dane isnt obsessing about hating our bigger neighbour sweden.

Everybody hating England is obviously wrong. YOU hate England is more true.

Denmark have a 40,000 national stadium which is usually full for qualifiers and quite empty for friendlies, except for England, which is the only team that can fill the place for a friendly. no one else comes close.
And unlike scots, the attendance isnt driven by hate.

Look at England´s overall world cup performance, probably the 6th or 7th best performing country for the last 25 years or perhaps all time as well.
It isnt exactly a disaster.

As for the european cup, the interesting thing about England´s performances are the kind of clubs that have won it.
2 x Man united, 5 x Liverpool, 2 x nottingham forest, 1 x aston villa

its only 4 clubs, but its not exactly 4 obvious winners, unlike spain and Italy, I think, which shows the traditional deep strentgh of english football, though England is moving in same the direction of fewer top clubs dominating more.

Again, you miss the point. Before 1980 Denmark had 80 years of complete rubbish. For 80 years, Scotland were far far better than Denmark. The last 20 years have been by far Denmarks best spell in 100 years. Scotland are going through their worst period for 100 years, so of course you will be better at the moment. When we return to being good, and you go back to being rubbish, once again Scotland will be better than Denmark.

If you look at the last 100 years, Scotland will have won more games than Denmark, as for a long long time you were 6-0 whipping boys. Overall in the last 100 years, we have a much better record.

Even at our worst, we finished 3rd in our WC 2006 group. Where did Denmark finish? 3rd as well.

Scotland have played Denmark 14 times, the first game being in 1951 - here are the results -

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Parken Stadium Copenhagen International Challenge Match 28 Apr 2004 1 - 0

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow International Challenge Match 21 Aug 2002 0 - 1

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Ibrox Stadium Glasgow International Challenge Match 25 Mar 1998 0 - 1

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Parken Stadium Copenhagen International Challenge Match 24 Apr 1996 2 - 0

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Estadio Neza Nezahualcoyotl F.I.F.A. World Cup 04 Jun 1986 1 - 0

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 29 Oct 1975 3 - 1

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetsparken Copenhagen U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 03 Sep 1975 0 - 1

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow F.I.F.A. World Cup Qualifier 15 Nov 1972 2 - 0

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetsparken Copenhagen F.I.F.A. World Cup Qualifier 18 Oct 1972 1 - 4

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetsparken Copenhagen U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 09 Jun 1971 1 - 0

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 11 Nov 1970 1 - 0

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetspark Copenhagen International Challenge Match 16 Oct 1968 0 - 1

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetspark Copenhagen International Challenge Match 25 May 1952 1 - 2

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow International Challenge Match 12 May 1951 3 - 1

I make that 8-6 in Scotlands favour. I rest my case. You are better at the moment, but only because we are going through the worst spell in our history. When you go through your bad spell and we get better, we will once again be much better than Denmark.

Everybody in the football world hates England. I'm sure you don't, but then again you seem totally obsessed by England, as that is all you ever talk about (even more than me). Danish my arse!!

bubomb

February 13th, 2006, 04:09 AM

bumbomb, why are u so obsessed with England, start thinking about scotland and how they can improve, GOSH the citizens of Scotland are letting that dear country down, if all they can think about is ENGLAND!! yeh and i agree with KiwiBrit get your bloody facts straight and stop making things up.

This is hilarious. Since when did one Scot on a forum represent the views of 5 million Scots!!!

Fred West was English, so does that mean 50 million English people are violent murderers?

Ask any European football fan and they will tell you they absolutely loved it when the Tartan Army came to visit their city.

bubomb

February 13th, 2006, 04:18 AM

^^ and dont forget English teams were banned for 5 years, most probably england would have had over 10

but you were rightly banned, so you rightly didn't win anything.

Your statement is like saying 'AC Milan would of won the Italian league this year if they had the players Juventus have' - they don't, so it's a pointless statement.

In my lifetime of watching football (1986 onwards), Italian teams have been the Kings of Europe. Nearly every year an Italian team has been in a final. Sometimes finals featured 2 Italian teams. I'm sure one year there was 4 Italian teams in 2 finals!! Anybody got stats for 1986 onwards? I'm sure it must be totally dominated by Italian teams, with Spanish teams coming second.

bubomb

February 13th, 2006, 04:25 AM

Once again your 'facts' amaze me. With the minimum of research I dicovered in the last 6 World cups alone, at least 4 teams have been eliminated without losing a game. Cameroon ('82), Holland ('90), Belgium ('98) and maybe the one that may surprise you the most England ('82). Englands being the most bizarre owing to the fact they got through TWO group stages of that campaign unbeaten, a total of FIVE games, compared to every other nation being eliminated after three games.

So please, before you lecture us about unique Scottish football facts at least get your facts right!

:nono:

Oops, simple mistake, I meant to say 'the first', not 'the only'. Sometimes I type too fast. I meant the 'only' team to be unbeaten in 1974.

I am NEVER wrong, but I sometimes make the odd mistake!!

"Scotland, Britain's only qualified team, set some kind of World Cup record as they were eliminated in the first round without losing a match, they were infact the only unbeaten team in the 1974 series. Every other team with a zero in the column for defeats in World Cup history up until 1974, had ended up winning the whole tournament. For Scotland this was the first of five straight finals with 'oh-so-nears' and 'if-onlys' first round eliminations."

http://www.planetworldcup.com/CUPS/1974/wc74story.html

JimB

February 13th, 2006, 11:29 AM

Again, you miss the point. Before 1980 Denmark had 80 years of complete rubbish. For 80 years, Scotland were far far better than Denmark. The last 20 years have been by far Denmarks best spell in 100 years. Scotland are going through their worst period for 100 years, so of course you will be better at the moment. When we return to being good, and you go back to being rubbish, once again Scotland will be better than Denmark.

If you look at the last 100 years, Scotland will have won more games than Denmark, as for a long long time you were 6-0 whipping boys. Overall in the last 100 years, we have a much better record.

Even at our worst, we finished 3rd in our WC 2006 group. Where did Denmark finish? 3rd as well.

Scotland have played Denmark 14 times, the first game being in 1951 - here are the results -

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Parken Stadium Copenhagen International Challenge Match 28 Apr 2004 1 - 0

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow International Challenge Match 21 Aug 2002 0 - 1

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Ibrox Stadium Glasgow International Challenge Match 25 Mar 1998 0 - 1

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Parken Stadium Copenhagen International Challenge Match 24 Apr 1996 2 - 0

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Estadio Neza Nezahualcoyotl F.I.F.A. World Cup 04 Jun 1986 1 - 0

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 29 Oct 1975 3 - 1

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetsparken Copenhagen U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 03 Sep 1975 0 - 1

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow F.I.F.A. World Cup Qualifier 15 Nov 1972 2 - 0

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetsparken Copenhagen F.I.F.A. World Cup Qualifier 18 Oct 1972 1 - 4

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetsparken Copenhagen U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 09 Jun 1971 1 - 0

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 11 Nov 1970 1 - 0

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetspark Copenhagen International Challenge Match 16 Oct 1968 0 - 1

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetspark Copenhagen International Challenge Match 25 May 1952 1 - 2

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow International Challenge Match 12 May 1951 3 - 1

I make that 8-6 in Scotlands favour. I rest my case.

It's so amusing to see you change the parameters whenever it suits your purpose! When talking about England, it matters not whether a team gets to the semi finals, quarter finals, second group stage, or are beaten in the latter stages of major tournaments for the umpteenth time only by the lottery of penalties etc. All that counts is winning trophies. And if a team doesn't win a trophy, then it is a failure. Fair enough.

But when talking about Scotland, you perform an astonishing U-turn. All that counts to then is that a team has loads of "oh, so nears" and "if onlys" when failing to make it past the first group stage. Suddenly, that is the definition of success! The bottom line is that Denmark has won a major international trophy. Scotland has never even got close. Case closed.

You are better at the moment, but only because we are going through the worst spell in our history. When you go through your bad spell and we get better, we will once again be much better than Denmark.

Hahahahaha! If......when......perhaps.....maybe.....possibly......on the never never. Who knows what will happen in the future? Maybe Scotland will never again rise to the modest heights that they once attained. And maybe Denmark's worst spell in the future will still be better than Scotland's best spell yet to come. Yours is a pointless line of argument.

Everybody in the football world hates England. I'm sure you don't, but then again you seem totally obsessed by England, as that is all you ever talk about (even more than me). Danish my arse!!

This takes the biscuit! When conclusively proven to be categorically wrong, does bubomb hold his hands up and admit a fair cop? No. Of course not. He puts his hands over his ears and refuses to acknowledge the truth. He prefers to live in denial than concede that perhaps he isn't the omnipotent force he derangedly believes himself to be.

He knows kingdomca better than kingdomca knows himself. He knows the Danes better than the Danes know themselves. He knows the Polish better than Poles know themselves. He knows the Portuguese better than the Portuguese know themselves.

Kingdomca - you had better listen to bubomb. You are not Danish. I repeat.....you are not Danish. You cannot be allowed to be Danish. Because if you were Danish, then all bubomb's prejudices, that keep him warm and secure at night, would be exposed for what they are and then bubomb's make believe world would come crashing down around him.

And the poor little mite just would not be able to handle that.

So you're not Danish, alright?

Alright? ;)

Fillet Tower

February 13th, 2006, 11:31 AM

It's a shame, but at least the latter will still be there!

JimB

February 13th, 2006, 11:37 AM

This is hilarious. Since when did one Scot on a forum represent the views of 5 million Scots!!!

Quite right. Most of them are, unlike you, very decent sorts who are unburdened by chippy, small minded bitterness.

But this is simply further evidence of your hypocrisy. After all, you have no qualms about arguing that 2% or 3% of loutish England football fans represent the remaining 97% or 98%.

BobDaBuilder

February 13th, 2006, 11:40 AM

Who is this "Sir" Robert McAlpine guy? I remember seeing his building sites all over London. Is he still with us or has he popped his clogs?

JimB

February 13th, 2006, 11:50 AM

but you were rightly banned, so you rightly didn't win anything.

Your statement is like saying 'AC Milan would of won the Italian league this year if they had the players Juventus have' - they don't, so it's a pointless statement.

In my lifetime of watching football (1986 onwards), Italian teams have been the Kings of Europe. Nearly every year an Italian team has been in a final. Sometimes finals featured 2 Italian teams. I'm sure one year there was 4 Italian teams in 2 finals!! Anybody got stats for 1986 onwards? I'm sure it must be totally dominated by Italian teams, with Spanish teams coming second.

Yes, we were rightly banned.

But the fact still remains that English clubs have won more European trophies than those of any other country, despite not having competed in six years of European competition. Furthermore, at the time of English clubs' ban, they were totally dominant in Europe, having won seven of the previous nine European Cups (and it could quite possibly have been eight out of nine had the off field tragedy at Heysel not occurred).

After the ban, English football had fallen far behind its European competitors and (apart from isolated successes) it took the best part of a decade before English clubs started to compete consistently well again on the European stage.

MoreOrLess

February 13th, 2006, 11:51 AM

eddyk

February 13th, 2006, 01:58 PM

He's still around as far as I know.

kingdomca

February 13th, 2006, 02:49 PM

Again, you miss the point. Before 1980 Denmark had 80 years of complete rubbish. For 80 years, Scotland were far far better than Denmark. The last 20 years have been by far Denmarks best spell in 100 years. Scotland are going through their worst period for 100 years, so of course you will be better at the moment. When we return to being good, and you go back to being rubbish, once again Scotland will be better than Denmark.

If you look at the last 100 years, Scotland will have won more games than Denmark, as for a long long time you were 6-0 whipping boys. Overall in the last 100 years, we have a much better record.

Even at our worst, we finished 3rd in our WC 2006 group. Where did Denmark finish? 3rd as well.

Scotland have played Denmark 14 times, the first game being in 1951 - here are the results -

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Parken Stadium Copenhagen International Challenge Match 28 Apr 2004 1 - 0

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow International Challenge Match 21 Aug 2002 0 - 1

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Ibrox Stadium Glasgow International Challenge Match 25 Mar 1998 0 - 1

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Parken Stadium Copenhagen International Challenge Match 24 Apr 1996 2 - 0

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Estadio Neza Nezahualcoyotl F.I.F.A. World Cup 04 Jun 1986 1 - 0

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 29 Oct 1975 3 - 1

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetsparken Copenhagen U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 03 Sep 1975 0 - 1

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow F.I.F.A. World Cup Qualifier 15 Nov 1972 2 - 0

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetsparken Copenhagen F.I.F.A. World Cup Qualifier 18 Oct 1972 1 - 4

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetsparken Copenhagen U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 09 Jun 1971 1 - 0

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow U.E.F.A. European Championship Qualifier 11 Nov 1970 1 - 0

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetspark Copenhagen International Challenge Match 16 Oct 1968 0 - 1

DENMARK v SCOTLAND
Idraetspark Copenhagen International Challenge Match 25 May 1952 1 - 2

SCOTLAND v DENMARK
Hampden Park Glasgow International Challenge Match 12 May 1951 3 - 1

I make that 8-6 in Scotlands favour. I rest my case. You are better at the moment, but only because we are going through the worst spell in our history. When you go through your bad spell and we get better, we will once again be much better than Denmark.

Everybody in the football world hates England. I'm sure you don't, but then again you seem totally obsessed by England, as that is all you ever talk about (even more than me). Danish my arse!!

ok not just bitter, but angry as well.

I dont "obsess" about England but I have always had an interest in english football and if you know the world so well, you would also know this is not an unusual thing in scandinavia. I have since come to know the country and its sports well in various ways.

Your ongoing "everyone hates England" is so obviously pointless, though it actually says a lot about you.

your list of Denmark v Scotland games is actually quite interesting.

8-6 to scotland as you say, but Denmark seems to have won the last 5 games in a row with the latest scotland victory happening 30 years ago in 1975.

Since you know everything, I wonder if you know what happened in Denmark in 1977?
professionalism was introduced.
This included accepting pro players based abroad in the national team. They were banned before. Since then, Denmark have 100% record against scotland according to your figures.

The statistics are then:

SCOTLAND v DENMARK`S AMATEURS 8-1

Then after Denmark began fielding pro players:

SCOTLAND V DENMARK 0-5

You may naively believe that Scotland is just going "through a bad spell" as if it would just correct itself.

I think scotland need to change many things first. (and despite people like you, I really hope scotland can do it)

Scotland bought Brian Laudrup, but could you have developed him yourself?

Or would he have been kicked to pieces in piles of mud acting as football pitches in a country that has failed to keep up with the world

James21

February 13th, 2006, 04:54 PM

i think that lettering on top of the emirates, when it is lit, is meant to be the same as the writing on the side of the east stand! fear not, it may look ok!

bubomb

February 13th, 2006, 06:08 PM

ok not just bitter, but angry as well.

I dont "obsess" about England but I have always had an interest in english football and if you know the world so well, you would also know this is not an unusual thing in scandinavia. I have since come to know the country and its sports well in various ways.

Your ongoing "everyone hates England" is so obviously pointless, though it actually says a lot about you.

your list of Denmark v Scotland games is actually quite interesting.

8-6 to scotland as you say, but Denmark seems to have won the last 5 games in a row with the latest scotland victory happening 30 years ago in 1975.

Since you know everything, I wonder if you know what happened in Denmark in 1977?
professionalism was introduced.
This included accepting pro players based abroad in the national team. They were banned before. Since then, Denmark have 100% record against scotland according to your figures.

The statistics are then:

SCOTLAND v DENMARK`S AMATEURS 8-1

Then after Denmark began fielding pro players:

SCOTLAND V DENMARK 0-5

You may naively believe that Scotland is just going "through a bad spell" as if it would just correct itself.

I think scotland need to change many things first. (and despite people like you, I really hope scotland can do it)

Scotland bought Brian Laudrup, but could you have developed him yourself?

Or would he have been kicked to pieces in piles of mud acting as football pitches in a country that has failed to keep up with the world

Again, you show a lack of understanding of Scottish footballing culture. Dennis Law, Kenny Dalglish, Billy Bremner, Davie Cooper, Jim Baxter, Joe Jordan, Archie Gemmell etc were all world class players. Scotland had loads of amazing payers in the 60's, 70's, 80's and they all grew up playing on ash pitches or in the streets in very rough conditions. The reason they were great is because they played so much football growing up in tough conditions. We don't have this talent anymore due to the fact that children growing up in Scotland no longer play as much football as they have other options due to the fact families now have far more disposable income. When I was a kid I played football from the minute school ended until it got dark. You don't see this anymore. The pitch in the school outside my house has nobody playing on it right now. When I was a kid it would of been packed with kids playing football.

Look at Brazil. Terrible facilities for kids and no money for them, but this is why they have so many great players. There is nothing else for children to do so they spend all their time playing football and become great players.

Scotland are in a transition phase of going from old style football (kids playing for hours in the streets) to developing youngsters through academies. Rangers now have one of the best training facilities in Europe, Hearts have their own academy with great facilities and Celtic will soon have one. The SFA set up their youth academy about 8 years ago. It takes about 20 years for this transition to work, so in 5-10 years you will see a new Scotland with a new type of player. Already the youngsters are beginning to trickle through.

bubomb

February 13th, 2006, 06:29 PM

Quite right. Most of them are, unlike you, very decent sorts who are unburdened by chippy, small minded bitterness.

But this is simply further evidence of your hypocrisy. After all, you have no qualms about arguing that 2% or 3% of loutish England football fans represent the remaining 97% or 98%.

No, having been to England games I would say it is more like 50% who are loud-mouthed yobs. Only 2/3% may be violent and cause trouble, but a huge number of them are general idiots who are offensive and have no social graces at all. You know the type - tattoos, swilling lager all day and no brain cells at all. Look at the huge numbers that sing '2 World Wars and 1 World Cup' etc.

The English football team attracts the the worst kind of Englishman. The uneducated yob who spends every weekend getting totally drunk in some city/town centre and generally being a pain in the arse for the people who live there. Most UK city centres are no go areas at weekend nights due to these types of people.

The England rugby team is totally different and attracts a far better class of person. I have been to England rugby games and the Englishmen there are normal decent people. I will never go to an England football game again as a huge number of the fans are scumbags, but I have no problems at all going to an England rugby game as these working class scumbags don't seem to follow the England rugby team.

Margaret Thatcher was right -

"There's a nasty, ugly and anti-social element in society that clings to football that just won't give up. What became the 'English disease' is no longer characterised by the mass terrace affrays and running street battles of the 1970s and 1980s. But, like other infections, new strains of football hooliganism are developing that are clever, resilient and increasingly threatening."

bubomb

February 13th, 2006, 06:39 PM

It's so amusing to see you change the parameters whenever it suits your purpose! When talking about England, it matters not whether a team gets to the semi finals, quarter finals, second group stage, or are beaten in the latter stages of major tournaments for the umpteenth time only by the lottery of penalties etc. All that counts is winning trophies. And if a team doesn't win a trophy, then it is a failure. Fair enough.

But when talking about Scotland, you perform an astonishing U-turn. All that counts to then is that a team has loads of "oh, so nears" and "if onlys" when failing to make it past the first group stage. Suddenly, that is the definition of success! The bottom line is that Denmark has won a major international trophy. Scotland has never even got close. Case closed.

Wrong again i'm afraid. When compiling a list of the worst major footballing countries in the world, I took into account quarter finals, semis, runners up and winners. England came second last, with only Spain doing worse. Using this list then Denmark will be more successful than Scotland, but I have always said Denmark are one of the most successful small countries in the world in recent years.

It all depends on how you determine what is the most successful team. If you look at countries with similar populations and if you just go on a pure points obtained in World Cup finals, then Uruguay are the most successful smallest country in the world, followed by Denmark then Scotland. In terms of population, only Uruguay and Denmark have done better than Scotland in the world.

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/special/atworldcup.htm

As for the European Championships, Denmark are the most successful small country, followed by Croatia and then Scotland. So in terms of population, only 2 teams in Europe have done better than Scotland.

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/special/ateuro.htm

3rd in the World, and 3rd in Europe in terms of population......that's not bad.

If you add the points in the 2 lists (use S.A Championships for S.American teams), then England are 7th. Not bad, but far from World Beaters. They are on the fringes of being proper challengers. Almost, but never quite in the same league as the big boys.

Uruguay got 334 points from 41 tournaments in South America (better than Brazil). There have been 12 European championships. So Uruguays points would be (334*12)/41 = 98.

Uruguay have won twice as many Copa Américas as Brazil!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Am%C3%A9rica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Football_Championship

Sitback

February 13th, 2006, 07:36 PM

This is me -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39441000/jpg/_39441466_bagpipes_gi300x245.jpg

Well I don't believe that's you. Even tho he's a skinny, ugly, ginger wanker which no doubt you are.

Pipe down. You live in Scotland the smack n crack capital of europe. Now pipe down and tie that rope around your arm.

bubomb

February 13th, 2006, 07:54 PM

Well I don't believe that's you. Even tho he's a skinny, ugly, ginger wanker which no doubt you are.

Pipe down. You live in Scotland the smack n crack capital of europe. Now pipe down and tie that rope around your arm.

We all like a joke, but some take it too far. You are simply showing yourself up as an uneducated chav!!

I am also surprised by the hostility shown towards Scotland by a lot of English posters. I guess it is a two way thing. It must come from uneducated posters who have never visited Scotland, as most English/foreign visitors love their visits to Scotland (apart from the weather).

asohn

February 13th, 2006, 07:56 PM

^ both of you stop with the senseless bashing

Sitback

February 13th, 2006, 08:00 PM

We all like a joke, but some take it too far. You are simply showing yourself up as an uneducated chav!!

I am also surprised by the hostility shown towards Scotland by a lot of English posters. I guess it is a two way thing. It must come from uneducated posters who have never visited Scotland, as most English/foreign visitors love their visits to Scotland (apart from the weather).

Your whole family deal drugs on the streets of Glasgow.

Chill out and deal with the fact.

Its AlL gUUd

February 13th, 2006, 08:39 PM

Its AlL gUUd

February 13th, 2006, 08:45 PM

It's so amusing to see you change the parameters whenever it suits your purpose! When talking about England, it matters not whether a team gets to the semi finals, quarter finals, second group stage, or are beaten in the latter stages of major tournaments for the umpteenth time only by the lottery of penalties etc. All that counts is winning trophies. And if a team doesn't win a trophy, then it is a failure. Fair enough.

But when talking about Scotland, you perform an astonishing U-turn. All that counts to then is that a team has loads of "oh, so nears" and "if onlys" when failing to make it past the first group stage. Suddenly, that is the definition of success! The bottom line is that Denmark has won a major international trophy. Scotland has never even got close. Case closed.

Hahahahaha! If......when......perhaps.....maybe.....possibly......on the never never. Who knows what will happen in the future? Maybe Scotland will never again rise to the modest heights that they once attained. And maybe Denmark's worst spell in the future will still be better than Scotland's best spell yet to come. Yours is a pointless line of argument.

This takes the biscuit! When conclusively proven to be categorically wrong, does bubomb hold his hands up and admit a fair cop? No. Of course not. He puts his hands over his ears and refuses to acknowledge the truth. He prefers to live in denial than concede that perhaps he isn't the omnipotent force he derangedly believes himself to be.

He knows kingdomca better than kingdomca knows himself. He knows the Danes better than the Danes know themselves. He knows the Polish better than Poles know themselves. He knows the Portuguese better than the Portuguese know themselves.

Kingdomca - you had better listen to bubomb. You are not Danish. I repeat.....you are not Danish. You cannot be allowed to be Danish. Because if you were Danish, then all bubomb's prejudices, that keep him warm and secure at night, would be exposed for what they are and then bubomb's make believe world would come crashing down around him.

And the poor little mite just would not be able to handle that.

So you're not Danish, alright?

Alright? ;)

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

bubomb

February 13th, 2006, 08:46 PM

Bubomb i think you've been beaten stop making an arse of yourself with pointless statistics, Only continuous thing i agree with is that Scotland is a lovely place (apart from weather) but YOU let it down alot with all your hatred pointed towards England and anyone who counters your argument, learn to be more civilised.

I have NEVER shown any hatred towards England. I have made negative comments about a large section of fans who follow the England international team. These people are not 'England'. They are a tiny percentage of the English population. 50% of England fans who follow England abroad are a tiny tiny percentage of the English population. I have said nothing but praise for English rugby fans.

As for being "beaten", I didn't know I was in a competition!! I was just giving my opinion in a debate, not a competition!!

Its AlL gUUd

February 13th, 2006, 11:52 PM

^^ See, doesn't that positive energy help u to relax. I think Scotland could've won the Rugby v Wales, with 15 men each. :banana:

bubomb

February 14th, 2006, 12:30 AM

^^ See, doesn't that positive energy help u to relax. I think Scotland could've won the Rugby v Wales, with 15 men each. :banana:

So I heard, but I don't watch rugby anymore, so I don't really know to be honest!!

MoreOrLess

February 14th, 2006, 12:35 AM

ok not just bitter, but angry as well.

I dont "obsess" about England but I have always had an interest in english football and if you know the world so well, you would also know this is not an unusual thing in scandinavia. I have since come to know the country and its sports well in various ways.

Your ongoing "everyone hates England" is so obviously pointless, though it actually says a lot about you.

your list of Denmark v Scotland games is actually quite interesting.

8-6 to scotland as you say, but Denmark seems to have won the last 5 games in a row with the latest scotland victory happening 30 years ago in 1975.

Since you know everything, I wonder if you know what happened in Denmark in 1977?
professionalism was introduced.
This included accepting pro players based abroad in the national team. They were banned before. Since then, Denmark have 100% record against scotland according to your figures.

The statistics are then:

SCOTLAND v DENMARK`S AMATEURS 8-1

Then after Denmark began fielding pro players:

SCOTLAND V DENMARK 0-5

You may naively believe that Scotland is just going "through a bad spell" as if it would just correct itself.

I think scotland need to change many things first. (and despite people like you, I really hope scotland can do it)

Scotland bought Brian Laudrup, but could you have developed him yourself?

Or would he have been kicked to pieces in piles of mud acting as football pitches in a country that has failed to keep up with the world

One thing thats not often mentioned as having damaged the Scottish national team that I think has had an effect is the influx of foreigners to the English leagues. You often see it mentioned as a potential negative for England but I'd say its infact been much more of a negative for Scotland, England can afterall still call on a fair few native players at the big teams where as long gone are the days when the likes of Law and Dalgelish would be playing at the top level south of the border.

I have NEVER shown any hatred towards England. I have made negative comments about a large section of fans who follow the England international team. These people are not 'England'. They are a tiny percentage of the English population. 50% of England fans who follow England abroad are a tiny tiny percentage of the English population

While the minority of scum is maybe a little higher at England games than it is at club level these days its obviously nowhere near 50%. As I said England supporters will tend to focus on there own team and hope for the best but is that really any different from any other group of fans? To me thats alot more healthy than having so much invested in another team failing as a decent percentage of the Scotish public seem to.

bubomb

February 14th, 2006, 01:10 AM

One thing thats not often mentioned as having damaged the Scottish national team that I think has had an effect is the influx of foreigners to the English leagues. You often see it mentioned as a potential negative for England but I'd say its infact been much more of a negative for Scotland, England can afterall still call on a fair few native players at the big teams where as long gone are the days when the likes of Law and Dalgelish would be playing at the top level south of the border.

While the minority of scum is maybe a little higher at England games than it is at club level these days its obviously nowhere near 50%. As I said England supporters will tend to focus on there own team and hope for the best but is that really any different from any other group of fans? To me thats alot more healthy than having so much invested in another team failing as a decent percentage of the Scotish public seem to.

What is wrong with wanting your old rivals to get beat? Scotland/England were great rivals in football up until about 20 years ago, so this rivalry from the Scottish side is not going to disappear overnight. Holland always want Germany to get beat, New Zealand always want Australia to get beat. It's no big deal. Just healthy rivalry. It's not as if it takes any effort to want somebody to get beat. You simply turn the TV on and hope the other team win. Happens every weekend around Europe.

90% of Scotland football fans will want England to get beat simply because that is the way it has been for about 1000 years. It is no big deal, it 's harmless. When I was at France 98 we all wanted Scotland to win first and foremost, and if England got beat it was a bonus. Nobody got beaten up or hurt over it. Just harmless good natured fun.

Its AlL gUUd

February 14th, 2006, 02:08 PM

^^ u must be kidding, sorry from what i have seen, the sottish attitude towards the english is far from healthy, I would definetely call it an inferiority complex which does lead to jealousy no matter wot u say

chriss

February 14th, 2006, 02:35 PM

Thought this thread was about Emirates

Its AlL gUUd

February 14th, 2006, 04:15 PM

^^Yep but certain people start certain things

themongrel

February 14th, 2006, 04:39 PM

the problem with the english/scotish rivalry is that scotland always get beat and either get knocked out of compititions quickly or never qualify in the first place. so english fans have to look at teams who dont like germany, argentina and france.

its a bit like liverpool having accrington stanley as their biggest rival.

i actually think some england fans cheer on scotland in the hope that they'll be good enough to actually be a threat and the old, old rivalry can start again.

Noostairz

February 14th, 2006, 06:22 PM

w/ thanks (yet again) to dave (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=7373140#post7373140). more to come later, apparently.

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tv123

February 14th, 2006, 07:13 PM

fantastic pics

KiwiBrit

February 14th, 2006, 07:21 PM

Brilliant!

carlspannoosh

February 14th, 2006, 07:42 PM

:cheers: Cheers to scouserdave. Easily the best pics of the stadium Ive seen.

Its AlL gUUd

February 14th, 2006, 07:55 PM

Its AlL gUUd

February 14th, 2006, 08:00 PM

2zanzibar

February 14th, 2006, 08:05 PM

Who is this Dave? The mans a genius!

bubomb

February 14th, 2006, 08:13 PM

Great pics, and the roof looks better than I thought it would. The bottom tier looks a bit shallow though!

tommygunn

February 14th, 2006, 11:51 PM

It looks really amazing great ground for arsenal they just need some form now.

mauritius gunner

February 16th, 2006, 03:34 PM

We are going to be the talk of global football, with a stadium like that.
The only other ground which which comes close for aesthetics has to be the Allianz Arena. Peter Kenyon, will be an envious drooling-wreck!

Diaby

February 16th, 2006, 03:37 PM

Absolutely Fantastic Pics, Arsenal.com need to take some notes on how to take decent pictures. The roof looks awesome.

JimB

February 16th, 2006, 03:46 PM

We are going to be the talk of global football, with a stadium like that.

I hardly think so! Outside of the small community of this message board, the vast majority of football fans are only really interested in what happens on the pitch and what players their club buys or are rumoured to be buying.

Arsenal will only be the talk of global football if they get back to winning ways, both in the Premiership and the Champions' League.

Diaby

February 17th, 2006, 11:08 AM

New Emirates Exterior Pics (http://www.albiontillwedie.co.uk/photoarchive/features/emiratesstadiumfeb06.html#null)

http://www.albiontillwedie.co.uk/photoarchive/photofeature/images/full/emiratesstadiumfeb06/15.jpg

2005

February 17th, 2006, 11:14 AM

http://www.**************************/emirates/

JacobRit

February 17th, 2006, 01:36 PM

great set of pictures there again! what does that dude do to get behind the scenes on these projects?

highburysouljah

February 17th, 2006, 10:46 PM

nice pics mate

we should fire the arsenal. photographer and hire this dude

highburysouljah

February 17th, 2006, 10:57 PM

i wish we kept highbury for the calring cup match and reverse and youth matches

highburysouljah

February 17th, 2006, 10:58 PM

i wish we kept highbury for the calring cup match and reverse and youth matches and used it as a training ground

eddyk

February 17th, 2006, 11:37 PM

I love this pic....how the stadium looms over the street.

Remids me of the stade de france when I was stood outside that.

http://www.albiontillwedie.co.uk/photoarchive/photofeature/images/full/emiratesstadiumfeb06/1.jpg

eddyk

February 17th, 2006, 11:45 PM

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My 4 fave from Dave

JimB

February 18th, 2006, 02:10 AM

i wish we kept highbury for the calring cup match and reverse and youth matches and used it as a training ground

If you kept Highbury as a football ground, then you would not be able to afford the new stadium. The development of residential property on the Highbury site is crucial to the Emirates business plan.

highburysouljah

February 18th, 2006, 12:37 PM

the gap between the pitch and the stand is not good

Cabman

February 18th, 2006, 12:49 PM

Who is this "Sir" Robert McAlpine guy? I remember seeing his building sites all over London. Is he still with us or has he popped his clogs?

He is still around. I have ferried members of his family around in my cab quite recently using his personal account.

Cabman

February 18th, 2006, 12:54 PM

the gap between the pitch and the stand is not good

Too big or too small?

highburysouljah

February 19th, 2006, 01:37 AM

too big behind the goal post

2zanzibar

February 19th, 2006, 12:12 PM

I know what you mean but its hard to dtermine yet where the goal line will be - though it could be quite a sizeable gap - I don't think Wenger has decided yet on the exact dimensions of the pitch yet

sir.nabs

February 19th, 2006, 03:39 PM

..has any one got orthogonal pictures of this stadium e.g plan , section and elevation views

Diaby

February 19th, 2006, 04:54 PM

^^
Not sure if this is what you mean but here you go
http://www.awimb.com/emAlbum/albums/Ashburton%20Grove/STADIUM%20PLAN.JPG

raswok15

February 19th, 2006, 05:56 PM

..has any one got orthogonal pictures of this stadium e.g plan , section and elevation views

For those interested and may not know.. you can find detailed drawings (such as the one in the previous post and others) on the Arsenal (stadium + residential) project at the islington council website.

The files are in pdf and quite large! - 2 documents which show detailed design drawings of the stadium I think are CRO Volume 1 and CRO Volume 2 ... 31MB and 13MB respectively. There are many more Arsenal project related documents listed. You may need a password to open the documents ..which is provided on the webpage.

link is:
http://www.islington.gov.uk/Environment/Planning/MajorSchemes/ArsenalStadium/404.asp

mauritius gunner

February 19th, 2006, 06:24 PM

Its on time in terms of when the first brick was laid to now, but yes from its original inception its late and considerably more =Islington council

No, its because Tottenham fan business owners, refused to relocate from Ashburton Grove and set about through the appeal's court. Delaying the actual building work by at least 12 months, forcing the issue to be referred to John Prescott's office.

mauritius gunner

February 19th, 2006, 06:39 PM

I hardly think so! Outside of the small community of this message board, the vast majority of football fans are only really interested in what happens on the pitch and what players their club buys or are rumoured to be buying.

Arsenal will only be the talk of global football if they get back to winning ways, both in the Premiership and the Champions' League.

I am talking about the TV exposure the ground will get on Premiership and Champions league games to a quarter of the globe (not just chip-eating boneheads from Bournemouth and Darlington). It will be the envy and wonder of clubs and everyday people.

The revenue will be a boost our earnings and I think we will become a more desirable club to play for attracting better players. We may be shit now, but you forget Mr Wenger's track record and the prolonged team spirit at Arsenal.

Even United had terrible times during their 10-year tenure

2005

February 19th, 2006, 07:05 PM

No, its because Tottenham fan business owners, refused to relocate from Ashburton Grove and set about through the appeal's court. Delaying the actual building work by at least 12 months, forcing the issue to be referred to John Prescott's office.

I think it was the fact that maybe he and others were getting totally ripped off. £800,000 please they would have needed at least £1.3m to relocate I hated it when I heard all these gooners complaining about that one guy saying he was delaying it because he was a yid :| but it was the fact that those businesses were gtting ripped off I feel for them.

2005

February 19th, 2006, 07:10 PM

I am talking about the TV exposure the ground will get on Premiership and Champions league games to a quarter of the globe (not just chip-eating boneheads from Bournemouth and Darlington). It will be the envy and wonder of clubs and everyday people.

The revenue will be a boost our earnings and I think we will become a more desirable club to play for attracting better players. We may be shit now, but you forget Mr Wenger's track record and the prolonged team spirit at Arsenal.

Even United had terrible times during their 10-year tenure

There will be hype around the stadium but not for too long. Last year most people stopped thinking about the Estadio De Luz the same will happen with

2005

February 19th, 2006, 07:14 PM

Iain1974

February 19th, 2006, 07:56 PM

I think it was the fact that maybe he and others were getting totally ripped off. £800,000 please they would have needed at least £1.3m to relocate I hated it when I heard all these gooners complaining about that one guy saying he was delaying it because he was a yid :| but it was the fact that those businesses were gtting ripped off I feel for them.

So was that business owner a fan of Arsenal or Spurs?

Kampflamm

February 19th, 2006, 08:18 PM

The 1st tier could be a bit steeper IMO.

JimB

February 20th, 2006, 12:56 AM

So was that business owner a fan of Arsenal or Spurs?

It's irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether the owners of those displaced businesses were Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham, Chelsea, Leyton Orient, Manchester United, Liverpool, Barcelona or Barnet fans. They were ripped off. End of.

They were served with compulsory purchase orders by Islington council, purely to profit a private development company - Ashburton Properties, which is owned by Arsenal Football Club. The businesses in question did not lose their properties to an urgently needed public transport upgrade or a vital municipal facility. Nor did they even lose their properties to the stadium itself. They lost their properties to a development of new, luxury housing. The purpose of this development was purely to earn profit and thereby enable Arsenal Football Club to pay for the building of their new stadium.

And, as such, Islington council should never have served CPO's on those businesses. However, Islington had too much invested in the whole project and too much to lose if it didn't go through. They feared that Arsenal might relocate elsewhere and that they might lose the chance to regenerate an area of their borough on the cheap.

Some of the businesses that were displaced subsequently ceased trading. With the paltry sums they received for their properties, they were unable to purchase suitable premises of a similar size and quality nearby. Had they been paid, as they were entitled, the full price for land with planning permission for residential development, they would have been fine. But Arsenal's greed and Islington's collaboration ensured that they received little more than market value for the run down buildings that they were.

So the owners of these businesses had every right to fight their case all the way to the European courts. Regardless of which football clubs they supported.

2005

February 20th, 2006, 12:23 PM

It's irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether the owners of those displaced businesses were Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham, Chelsea, Leyton Orient, Manchester United, Liverpool, Barcelona or Barnet fans. They were ripped off. End of.

They were served with compulsory purchase orders by Islington council, purely to profit a private development company - Ashburton Properties, which is owned by Arsenal Football Club. The businesses in question did not lose their properties to an urgently needed public transport upgrade or a vital municipal facility. Nor did they even lose their properties to the stadium itself. They lost their properties to a development of new, luxury housing. The purpose of this development was purely to earn profit and thereby enable Arsenal Football Club to pay for the building of their new stadium.

And, as such, Islington council should never have served CPO's on those businesses. However, Islington had too much invested in the whole project and too much to lose if it didn't go through. They feared that Arsenal might relocate elsewhere and that they might lose the chance to regenerate an area of their borough on the cheap.

Some of the businesses that were displaced subsequently ceased trading. With the paltry sums they received for their properties, they were unable to purchase suitable premises of a similar size and quality nearby. Had they been paid, as they were entitled, the full price for land with planning permission for residential development, they would have been fine. But Arsenal's greed and Islington's collaboration ensured that they received little more than market value for the run down buildings that they were.

So the owners of these businesses had every right to fight their case all the way to the European courts. Regardless of which football clubs they supported.

If Tottenham did that I wouldn't be proud I remember a few goons complaing about the businesses going on about how they were wankers :|

Typical Woolwich Spaznal.

Jack Rabbit Slim

February 20th, 2006, 03:17 PM

I don't think it's oin to be "the envy and wonder of clubs and everyday people" cus other clubs like Man United, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc etc have got larger, more globally recognised stadiums then Ashburn Grove. I still really like the design of the stadium, but I don't envy Arsenal for having it, and I'm sorry, but most of my wonderment and fascination at the the moment is centred on Wembley!

:cheers:

Roar

February 20th, 2006, 04:57 PM

mauritius gunner

February 20th, 2006, 06:07 PM

If Tottenham did that I wouldn't be proud I remember a few goons complaing about the businesses going on about how they were wankers :|

Typical Woolwich Spaznal.

Perhaps, but a lot of businesses have to relocate at some point and can profit clearly from it. In my business- retail and supply, it happens all the time. I honestly don't greatly sympathise with business men, as they only think about their profits, moan and give excuses for going bust or laying off staff- but take a nice wedge for themselves. I should know, I have been made redundant before along with 4 staff, but my ex-boss still has his convertible AMG Mercedes. Makes you think!

mauritius gunner

February 20th, 2006, 06:26 PM

did you miss me?

JimB
2005
sitback
highburysouljah

:nodingheadinwelcomingjesture:

So here we are only a few months away from the finished structure....

and I think its pretty safe to say we will fill the new ground.... visit the arsenal website for the remaining club level seats.

Can't wait... tommorow night vs Madrid... hopefully Freddie will be ready with that 20 goal a season strike rate he had a few years back.

Ahh, look who's back!

Jack Rabbit Slim- size isn't everything

Plus Bernabeau and Nou Camp are starting to get a bit dated, will probably rebuild in 15-20 years time. Old Trafford is upto date, but will still need upgrading in phases and is old in design.

Emirates is a true 21st Century stadium

Genç

February 20th, 2006, 06:40 PM

This is gonna be great! I can't wait to get tickets for a game here...! :D

It's being constructed so quickly too, with such quality - which is more than can be said for that "other" under-construction stadium in London...

Genç

February 20th, 2006, 06:48 PM

Just curious, why are there two threads for this stadium?

Jack Rabbit Slim

February 20th, 2006, 06:51 PM

Jack Rabbit Slim- size isn't everything
This would be a prime oppertunity for me to come out with some sexual inuendo like 'You keep tellin yourself that ;) ) but I'm not gonna be that childish :D

Plus Bernabeau and Nou Camp are starting to get a bit dated, will probably rebuild in 15-20 years time. Old Trafford is upto date, but will still need upgrading in phases and is old in design.

Emirates is a true 21st Century stadium
Yes it is a 21st century stadium...but there in kinda lies the problem. Every stadium being built these days has the whole 'curvy' modern look about it, which is all very nice and everything...but it's starting to annoy me a little! Stadiums like Old Trafford are very unique nowadays, and people are starting to recognise the beauty of its old-school, classic, pure stadium architecture. And I don't think the Bernabeau or Nou Camp are outdated; yes they arn't the most mdern looking stadiums in the world, but they're like Old Trafford-part of the old-school generation that has history, passion and atmosphere, things no amount of money or new fancy stadium curves can get you! :)

As I have already said, I do really like like the look of this stadium, but I think it is already looking a bit samey...you know? Cus everyone is doing this kinda thing, and i have a bad feeling that its not really gonna stick out very much, that it's gonna just blend into the rest of the modern stadiums. Wembley is different of course, cus that's just the cathedral of football! ;)

:cheers:

mauritius gunner

February 21st, 2006, 12:36 PM

This would be a prime oppertunity for me to come out with some sexual inuendo like 'You keep tellin yourself that ;) ) but I'm not gonna be that childish :D

Yes it is a 21st century stadium...but there in kinda lies the problem. Every stadium being built these days has the whole 'curvy' modern look about it, which is all very nice and everything...but it's starting to annoy me a little! Stadiums like Old Trafford are very unique nowadays, and people are starting to recognise the beauty of its old-school, classic, pure stadium architecture. And I don't think the Bernabeau or Nou Camp are outdated; yes they arn't the most mdern looking stadiums in the world, but they're like Old Trafford-part of the old-school generation that has history, passion and atmosphere, things no amount of money or new fancy stadium curves can get you! :)

As I have already said, I do really like like the look of this stadium, but I think it is already looking a bit samey...you know? Cus everyone is doing this kinda thing, and i have a bad feeling that its not really gonna stick out very much, that it's gonna just blend into the rest of the modern stadiums. Wembley is different of course, cus that's just the cathedral of football! ;)

:cheers:

Stadiums have had 'bowl' designs since greek and roman amphitheaters and also because of the physical nature.

Emirates does have that samey bowl shape, granted, but it will still be a unique stadium, you have to assess this properly, when all the fittings have been done. The exterior facade is modern but still evokes Art Deco from the Highbury East and West stands. It also contains many features from the old stadium including the marble halls- they have the building technology to really make this an integrated feature within the design.

It will be a new stadium but quite unlike anything else that has been built in the last 5 years

mauritius gunner

February 21st, 2006, 12:37 PM

One for banter, the other for anoraks

mauritius gunner

February 21st, 2006, 12:42 PM

Perhaps, but a lot of businesses have to relocate at some point and can profit clearly from it. In my business- retail and supply, it happens all the time. I honestly don't greatly sympathise with business men, as they only think about their profits, moan and give excuses for going bust or laying off staff- but take a nice wedge for themselves. I should know, I have been made redundant before along with 4 staff, but my ex-boss still has his convertible AMG Mercedes. Makes you think!

Also- did that businessman own the premises? Cos he may have been renting, like most other businesses

bubomb

February 21st, 2006, 09:56 PM

It will be a new stadium but quite unlike anything else that has been built in the last 5 years

apart from Da Luz!!

Roar

February 21st, 2006, 11:02 PM

2005

February 22nd, 2006, 10:53 AM

are we fullfilling our destiny?

.... Speaking of da luz & liverpool ..........

still second leg to be played and four more games afterwards to get to paris....

Are you watching....?....

2005
andysimo
various liverpool fans
various torpedo chavski - your bricking it aren't you?
Jimb
etc.

What a win, so important...

Are YOU WATCHING TOTTENHAM, ARE YOU WATCHING TOTTENHAM.....

Don't get smug too quick Roar I remember when Unired got knocked out of Europe competely bout three months ago and all I could read from you was your micky taking of United and what happened? Arsenal went on to lose three games in a row in the league so calm down dear.

It was a good win, tbh with about 25 mins to go I thought that the game was over Madrid were out played and were as Arrogant as can be. I felt that Madrid looked as if they thought all they had to do was turn like Arsenal at Old Trafford when their superb record was ended. Arsenal won bacuse they passed the ball well a long the park with short passes and quick movement.

Oh and one more thing Roar it is half time your not through yet remember the saying it isn't over until the fat lady sings?

JacobRit

February 22nd, 2006, 11:15 AM

ENGLISH TEAM? haha

tv123

February 22nd, 2006, 12:55 PM

ENGLISH TEAM? haha

yes english team with english owners

come on guys you live in the 21.century

Zaqattaq

February 22nd, 2006, 01:37 PM

http://www.**************************/emirates/images/image090.jpg

http://www.**************************/emirates/images/image046.jpg

Peyre

February 22nd, 2006, 01:44 PM

they still haven't put in any seats?

Cabman

February 22nd, 2006, 01:49 PM

Oh and one more thing Roar it is half time your not through yet remember the saying it isn't over until the fat lady sings?

Quite right it's only half time, it was a good night to be a gooner last night especially after the domestic season we are having, but all said and done all we have done is put ourselves in the driving seat for the second leg.

Zaqattaq

February 22nd, 2006, 01:51 PM

Seat posts in place

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates09022006_09x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates09022006_14x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates09022006_18x.jpg

http://www.arsenal.com/images/emiratesstadium/emirates09022006_17x.jpg

Cabman

February 22nd, 2006, 01:52 PM

they still haven't put in any seats?

It looks like they are putting in ALL the seat posts first.

unfrequented

February 22nd, 2006, 02:48 PM

I can see the odd seat installed here and there from dave's set of photos, here's one that gives an idea of legroom;

http://www.**************************/emirates/images/image017.jpg

Roar

February 22nd, 2006, 04:01 PM

ENGLISH TEAM? haha

Maybe not an english team but at least we have got...

an english substitute
good olde engerlish fans
good olde engerish directors

We had all our senior engerlish players rested and injured...

Anyway back to the stadium....

that leg room does look worrying.... but i believe they must have thought about it before construction. no probs.

mauritius gunner

February 22nd, 2006, 05:59 PM

apart from Da Luz!!

The tiers and terracing plans are exactly like da Luz, this is true (less 5000 seats). But the roof and extrerior is very different, as I said Art Deco. Much more money has been invested in this than Da Luz and the quality of materials and craftmanship are surely superior. Da Luz is quite boring from the outside, ours will be a bit more interesting.

By the way Zaqatac- great pictures!

mauritius gunner

February 22nd, 2006, 06:04 PM

I still think this stadium will be completed ahead of Wembley...

ROAR, technically we can still go out, all Real need is to win 2-1 and go through on away goals. It is far from over but yes great result, especially in a week when Real were presented as the world's richest then being stuffed on their home turf.

Roar

February 22nd, 2006, 09:36 PM

the fact that we have to play a second leg... I clearly said in a brief form that we still had to play the next leg! sheesh...

We lead by an away goal... great advantage...

Everyone is in such a pessimistic mood, I know we typically mess things up in europe but consider this, how do madrid "just need to win 2-1"

Wha?

On a pitch so small ( no offence intended - beautiful pitch better than the beach in shambolic bridge). while we play 11 men behind the ball... not even those world beaters have a chance of producing that along-the-ground football... the key to them having a chance will be down to beckham's crossing.

Arsenal's typicality; we score lots of goals when we attack.
We score even more when we play counter attack. that's how we should play when they attack, we score, once, twice and game over.

In actuality; I am bricking it.

Ventura1

February 23rd, 2006, 04:41 PM

This stadium is looking so awesome, it's so exciting to see the finishing touches being made, it makes it very easy to imagine Arsenal playing there next season, I cannot wait!

There is an article on Arsenal.com about the naming of the bars and restuarants in the new stadium, you can vote for your favourite, but hurry voting closes today.

Here are the nominations...

49ers
Centurions
Legends
Champions
Whittaker's
Chapman's
Allison's
Bastin's
Drake's
Compton's
Highbury
Doubles
Bar 186
Clock End
North Bank
Marble Halls
Dial Square
Royal Oak
Woolwich Arsenal
Rocastle's
Thierry's
Wrighty's
Bergkamp's
Mee's

And here is the link

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?article=356608&lid=NewsHeadline&sub=Last+chance+to+vote+for+bar/+restaurant+names+at+Emirates&navlid=&sublid=&Title=Last+chance+to+vote+for+bar/+restaurant+names+at+Emirates

DooMSireN

February 24th, 2006, 12:24 AM

Rocastle for the win! When I met him probably about ten years ago it was a privilage. Now, however it really means something for me that his name is carried on. He was a great footballer and his death is a great shame for football . Honestly I have cried as meeting him was a great experience and I miss the fact that he could of contributed much had he of lived longer.

Diaby

February 24th, 2006, 12:24 AM

http://www.arsedup.com/arsedup/arsedup.php/2006/02/23/new_emirates_stadium
New Pics

2005

February 24th, 2006, 02:12 PM

Jack Rabbit Slim

February 24th, 2006, 03:30 PM

Off topic I know, but with the whole champions league thing, I got to thinking what the two biggest matches would be, and I came to the conclusion of Chelsea v Barcelona, and Manchester United v Real Madrid. The two most successful clubs at the moment in one match, then the two biggest, richest clubs in the world in the other match! We've already had the Chelsea-Barcelona game, but where is the other one? Ah well, there's always next year. Arseanl might not even get into the chanpions league next year, with some of the results they've been getting and their current place in the Premiership. Come on Arsenal, no-one really wants Tottenham in the Champions league, its almost as bad as having a Scottish team in it ;) :D

:cheers:

2005

February 24th, 2006, 04:30 PM

zee

February 24th, 2006, 04:37 PM

is there something they are going write with the seats i.e. the nike logo or an emirates logo?

bubomb

February 24th, 2006, 05:10 PM

DooMSireN

February 24th, 2006, 05:58 PM

What did he die of and when?

I know he is dead but I have never known what happened.

He died of cancer in 2001.

Its AlL gUUd

February 25th, 2006, 12:19 AM

http://i1.************/oaucxx.jpg

http://i1.************/oaud1e.jpg

Great Pics :okay: But i think the pics with the union jack and scottish flag is better

bubomb

February 25th, 2006, 12:04 PM

Great Pics :okay: But i think the pics with the union jack and scottish flag is better

I agree, the display on Wednesday wasn't as good.

mauritius gunner

February 25th, 2006, 01:29 PM

I even think we can still finish in 3rd place- mathematically that is.

ROAR, know what you mean about the pessimism but I have had a few days to reflect now. We will beat Real and go through, for all the very valid reasons you say and also because they are not on form and will be playing away needing a 2 goal win. I think 5 teams in the premiership can easily beat Real Madrid at the moment.

So many other fans are so jealous, they were quick to write us off to the point of desparate hope. Particularly Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea fans.

Also, I feel we are somehow destined to meet Juventus along the way and Patrick Vieira's return to Highbury

mauritius gunner

February 25th, 2006, 01:31 PM

.....and for the record, to cap a brilliant week, a poem:

Mud, mud glorious mud
Nothing went well for the blues in the mud
Messi-Del Horno
John Terry followed
and then Samuel Eto'o in glorius mud

2005

February 25th, 2006, 06:02 PM

Blackburn 1-0 Arsenal

Arsenal's troubles on their travels go on as Morten Gamst Pedersen's strike seals the win for Mark Hughes' side.

2005

February 25th, 2006, 06:02 PM

Blackburn 1-0 Arsenal

Arsenal's troubles on their travels go on as Morten Gamst Pedersen's strike seals the win for Mark Hughes' side.

Roar

February 25th, 2006, 06:41 PM

Blackburn 1-0 Arsenal

Arsenal's troubles on their travels go on as Morten Gamst Pedersen's strike seals the win for Mark Hughes' side.

Dirty Norven Vermin.

Mark hughes = D*ck Faced C*nt

Sam Alerdyce = Big Plump C*nt.

If this kind of form continues.. we are fvcked... 8th place is possible,

I think this game was different to Madrid because Norven teams lurv to destroy beutiful football....

Keep it up Arsene (in europe that is, jaysus; 6 wins and a draw out of 7!!!!)

zee

February 27th, 2006, 02:05 PM

I think 5 teams in the premiership can easily beat Real Madrid at the moment.

so whos that fifth team then mauritius gunna after arsenal, liverpool, man u and chelsea?

mauritius gunner

February 27th, 2006, 05:31 PM

so whos that fifth team then mauritius gunna after arsenal, liverpool, man u and chelsea?

Tottenham. Even Bolton can on a very good day

zee

February 27th, 2006, 05:35 PM

i reckon blackburn on a good day can beat anyone, esp this season

Roar

February 27th, 2006, 05:44 PM

Tottenham. Even Bolton can on a very good day

WHA?

Bolton are only in the position they are in because they and the majority of the premiership play ugly defensive footy, they dare try anything on the european stage (attacking football) and they will fuck up because they simply can't win in a situation where you have to bring players foward to have a chance, if Arsenal were to play a more defensive game we would be well above the position we are in now.

- This is because the rest of the league has surrendered to the Chelsea/Liverpool approach of hit and hope. Thus making it extremely tough for us to score. While defensive injuries have rubbed salt into the wounds and conseqeunces are tough in football.

In Europe Fortunately, we have been drawn against REAL football teams such as Ajax and Madrid who play a ballsie attacking game, which has enabled us to score important first goal to ensure teams attack for the majority of the game.

Spurs? well we're a different class to say the least.

Jack Rabbit Slim

February 27th, 2006, 07:57 PM

Dirty Norven Vermin.

Mark hughes = D*ck Faced C*nt

Sam Alerdyce = Big Plump C*nt.

If this kind of form continues.. we are fvcked... 8th place is possible,

I think this game was different to Madrid because Norven teams lurv to destroy beutiful football....

^^ Mate, I don't mean to insult you here or anything, but quite frankly, I think ure talkin shit! I'm surprised no-one has had the guts to say this! Both mark hughes and big Sam Alerdyce are very respectable managers that have done a great job with their respective teams, so can you not needlessly insult them just cus Arsenal have had a bad time against Blackurn and Bolton, cus its just coming off as sounding bitter to tell you the truth!

And I'm not gonna even bother to explain how many things are worng with your "Norven teams lurv to destroy beutiful football" comment, cus its possibly one of dumbest things I've heard. I thought you were a decent guy, and I would expect comments like these from someone like BuBomb who can't help himslef, but not you man, what the hell???

Bolton are only in the position they are in because they and the majority of the premiership play ugly defensive footy, they dare try anything on the european stage (attacking football) and they will fuck up because they simply can't win in a situation where you have to bring players foward to have a chance, if Arsenal were to play a more defensive game we would be well above the position we are in now.
I hope you are not including Man United in this stereotype you've got going about "ugly defensive footy" cus United are one of the best attacking teams in Europe, and just about every match they play is littered with goals, you could never accuse Man United of being a defensive team! I will admitt certain teams in the premiership, not all, but certain teams, do act too defensively at times, notebly the one-goal-wonder-team Everton, and to an extent Liverpool and Chelsea (on some occasions). But don't class it as a 'norvern' and 'sovern' difference, cus both have quality sides, and I wouldn't class Arsenal as one of the most dynamic, exciting attacking teams of Europe, not by a long mile, although they are better then some I could mention!

When it comes to the champions league, I am not one of these petty people who root for a non english side becasue of a local rivalry. I am a Man United fan, but I am still rooting for Arsenal, Chelsea and, to some extent Liverpool, cus I would rather have an english team win the champions league then another european country. Of course, when it comes to the Premiership, I hate these teams with a vengence, but I can seperate that emotion when faced with an international conflict. And I wish more english people could do the same!

:cheers:

2005

February 27th, 2006, 08:05 PM

WHA?

Bolton are only in the position they are in because they and the majority of the premiership play ugly defensive footy, they dare try anything on the european stage (attacking football) and they will fuck up because they simply can't win in a situation where you have to bring players foward to have a chance, if Arsenal were to play a more defensive game we would be well above the position we are in now.

- This is because the rest of the league has surrendered to the Chelsea/Liverpool approach of hit and hope. Thus making it extremely tough for us to score. While defensive injuries have rubbed salt into the wounds and conseqeunces are tough in football.

In Europe Fortunately, we have been drawn against REAL football teams such as Ajax and Madrid who play a ballsie attacking game, which has enabled us to score important first goal to ensure teams attack for the majority of the game.

Spurs? well we're a different class to say the least.

:|

The table doesn't lie.

andysimo123

February 27th, 2006, 08:33 PM

http://www.arsewars.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/tottwin.jpg

2005

February 27th, 2006, 08:41 PM

Well done andysimo we haven't won a trophie but our lads have made up for that by their performances as they are 5 points clear of asre***. We have 5 players in England squad like Chelsea and Man Utd. I don't care if people go about that pic as we have a great Chairman who is and has pumped money into my beloved club as he shares the same passion as the fans. The great thing is that the money has been paid back by such players as Davids, Carick, Defoe, Paul "Enggland's no. 1" Robinson, Mido, Huddlestone (he will trust great prospect this bloke) Jenas, Aaron Lennon and others.

http://www.itv-football.co.uk/Images/MartinJolFistITV.jpg

AUDERE-EST-FACERE

Anyway!!! back to the stadium.

Roar

February 28th, 2006, 10:44 AM

:|

The table doesn't lie.

Yes it does. Although I am following a big club who are about to move into a top world class stadium, I think it's enivitable that we will be back into the top three next year, So much raw talent;

Future backbone of team? :

*MAD JENS*

Eboue *Kolo Toure* Senderos Cole????

Hleb? *Cesc Fabregas* Diaby/New Midfield destroyer Reyes???

*RVP* Bnedtner/ Lupoli (The wolf in the box).

Roar

February 28th, 2006, 10:46 AM

http://www.arsewars.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/tottwin.jpg

I think some bloke on AWIMB started that.

Durbsboi

February 28th, 2006, 11:23 AM

Roar

February 28th, 2006, 12:42 PM

Say Roar, u think Henry will stay in wid Aresholes, even though they no hav no chance of making the cut for forth spot? or do ur'll think ur'll can do a Liverpool? have a horrible season & win the Champs League to make the place?

NO I don't think he will, I think he will leave soon, sooner if we win Champions League. What? Jealous that Henry has outscored cisse,crouch,morientes,fowler all put toghether?

11 games to go and a possible 33 points to grab... of course we can still make it.

2005

February 28th, 2006, 01:52 PM

Yes it does. Although I am following a big club who are about to move into a top world class stadium, I think it's enivitable that we will be back into the top three next year, So much raw talent;

Future backbone of team? :

*MAD JENS*

Eboue *Kolo Toure* Senderos Cole????

Hleb? *Cesc Fabregas* Diaby/New Midfield destroyer Reyes???

*RVP* Bnedtner/ Lupoli (The wolf in the box).

The table lies...er..so I take it it was telling a porky pie when it said that Tottenham have lost 5 games in the league whilst Arse*** have lost 10.

Your not the only ones with raw talent Tottenham, Liverpool, Man Utd, Chel$ki as well. http://x1200.putfile.com/videos/5514374621.mp3

Jack Rabbit Slim

February 28th, 2006, 04:20 PM

http://x1200.putfile.com/videos/5514374621.mp3

:lol: :laugh: :rofl: :hilarious LOL, I almost pissed myself laughing at that! Who the hell is the bloke singing it, I can't quite tell if he's an Arsenal supporter or not.... :D

:cheers:

Ventura1

February 28th, 2006, 04:42 PM

That audio file is hilarious!!!

Roar

February 28th, 2006, 08:49 PM

Yes, your right, the Arsenal team in the league lacks desire.

We WILL better spurs this season.

I don't want to say we will finish higher above you because it may jinx the parallel with Liverpool finishing below Everton, but liverpool pissing on evertons fire by winning a major peice of silverware.

2005

February 28th, 2006, 10:04 PM

Roar

March 1st, 2006, 10:12 AM

"Still bitter that we have won the title on your rubbish tip????...."

No not really just happy that you threw away a two goal lead on that day and that we are 5 pts ahead of you.

When is the official opening date?

Mid-July.

You could hear the bitterness in the crowd when you levelled.

In fact I laughed to be frank, because It made my day for the fact that all those thousands of http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/images/smiley_icons/spud.gif in white hart lane actually thought for a moment they had stopped the ultimate humiliation of themselves.

2005

March 1st, 2006, 10:24 AM

Mid-July.

You could hear the bitterness in the crowd when you levelled.

In fact I laughed to be frank, because It made my day for the fact that all those thousands of http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/images/smiley_icons/spud.gif in white shite lane actually thought for a moment they had stopped the ultimate humiliation of themselves.

Whilst nearly everyday of this season the Arse have been pissed off.

eddyk

March 1st, 2006, 12:54 PM

Someone posted a Emirates Stadium Webcam Pic, has that person got another pic of the webcam?

The seats are going in now, and I wanna see some :P

James21

March 1st, 2006, 02:31 PM

how do you know the seats are going in? I cant see any on the webcam! Anyway here is the link to it

http://www.arsenal.com/emiratesstadium/article.asp?article=243587

its free and u just have to click the link, so much time to waste watching!

mauritius gunner

March 1st, 2006, 06:32 PM

One reason why Chelsea will lose at the Nou Camp

Watch this link, takes about 40 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=aRHk8ol0vTw

Noostairz

March 1st, 2006, 07:00 PM

One reason why Chelsea will lose at the Nou Camp

Watch this link, takes about 40 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=aRHk8ol0vTw

holy shit! the man's a freak! christ!

bubomb

March 1st, 2006, 07:07 PM

holy shit! the man's a freak! christ!

But he's nothing compared to MR.WOO (from Ibrox at half-time) -

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/mrwoo.html

2zanzibar

March 2nd, 2006, 12:51 AM

holy shit! the man's a freak! christ!

hmm...not sure about this, it sounds (and looks) a bit like more of this bullshit 'gorilla advertising' thats circulating. All a bit CGI

as for woo! he's keepin it real and is a true kitsch freak!

Socrates

March 2nd, 2006, 02:16 AM

Yep i don't mind scotland winning, now u try and find a scot who would say that about the english, would be like looking for a needle in a hay stack

I'm a Scot and I don't mind England winning.

Anyway... I think the poor blighters in the back rows of this top tier are gonna have a nasty draft at the back of their necks

http://www.**************************/emirates/images/image046.jpg

Sparks

March 2nd, 2006, 03:16 AM

They are going to install 10ft high glass all around the back to stop the rain and wind getting in.

Jack Rabbit Slim

March 2nd, 2006, 03:48 AM

England win comfortably against Uraguy!!! Well...not exactly comfortably, it took us a while to score the goals, but we dominated the entire match, first and second half, and we didn't even have a full strength squad! I think Uraguy had like 3 shots on target and abou 30% of possession.

Bring on the World Cup baby!!! Germany, france and Argentina all losing in their friendlies...come on son, we've got it in th bag :D Oh yeh...the Brazillians...dam :( Ah well, I have a feeling...more of a hope...that this aint Brazil's year for the world cup, I can just feel it! Probably aint gonna be England's either, but we are ranked second going inot the competition. England don't have another friendly till the world cup now I believe...man, its like over 4 months away and I can't wait!! We've got the best squad we've had in ages, and now that Joe Cole has filled in the much needed centre-left role with a bloody stunning performance tonight, we don't have many weak spots.

Totally off the point of the thread I know...but I just had to say it...carry on :D

:cheers:

Noostairz

March 2nd, 2006, 04:09 PM

edit.

Its AlL gUUd

March 2nd, 2006, 04:24 PM

I'm a Scot and I don't mind England winning.

Well i guess your a needle then

eddyk

March 2nd, 2006, 04:28 PM

That webcam is amazing, perfect streaming video, I caught myself watching it for ages.

http://www.**************************/emirates/images/image020.jpg

It was this image that made me think the seats were going in.

kaunaz

March 2nd, 2006, 08:16 PM

2005

March 2nd, 2006, 08:24 PM

So i don't understand: is this Ashburton Grove stadium one and the same stadium as the name of Emirates stadium or it's 2 different stadiums? And if there these two new 60.000 seatings football stadiums under contruction i London so which of them would be Arsenal's and which Chelsea's? :) And of course where is the diferents between these stadiums?

LOL

Ashburton Grove is the name of the area that the stadium is being built on. Origanally the stadium was called Ashburton Grove but Arsenal got a £260m laon which they knew would make them broke unless they found cash fast which they did in the end thanks to Emirates Airlines.

Also Chelsea couldn't sell a 60k stadium to save their lives well at the moment. They have (in terms of support) a lot to catch up with Tottenham let alone Arsenal to become the most supported in London.

Philip Cronin

March 2nd, 2006, 10:02 PM

LOL

Ashburton Grove is the name of the area that the stadium is being built on. Origanally the stadium was called Ashburton Grove but Arsenal got a £260m laon which they new would make them broke unless they found cash fast which they did in the end thanks to Emirates Airlines.

Also Chelsea couldn't sell a 60k stadium ti save their lives well at the moment. They have (in terms of support) a lot to catch up with Tottenham let alone Arsenal to become the most supported in London.

Of course they could if they reduced the prices until the demand and supply lines crossed at 60,000, but then that isn't the point of building a larger stadium in modern football.

Roar

March 4th, 2006, 03:08 PM

2005

March 4th, 2006, 03:31 PM

In a way I feel sorry for those lot from the lane, because, I think it is safe to say they will never experience, winning a Championship, Unbeaten seasons, Consecutive years of being in the Champions League with countless nights of Ecstacy and pain, and after all those years of trying to better us in London, Chelsea will now take their place as the second most succesful club in the city.

At least at Arsenal;

We still have a brand new stadium to fall back on and the side we have will double it's lethality in the next few years, the championship will be within our grasp again and I can see the core players we have (Kolo,Fabregas,RVP,.... Dare I say it COULD better the chelsea side we see today... Remember, Arsene manufactured the Undefeated and indesputable champions, which were a better team than the current chelsea side.

Poor poor arse they can't plan a stadium to save their lives. Last night I was in the pub with a mate and we were joined by a couple teachers. One of them said that his mate worked on the AB site doing the removel of the soil. It was interesting hear that the depth that was need was not reseached to well also when they finally knew what amount needed to be taken away then as they digging they hit contaminated soil so specialists had to be called in to remove the contaminated soil making the costs of the removel of the soil soar as well as delaying the whole thing. Oh nearly foreget the England game finished with how many Spurs player and how many arse?

Iain1974

March 4th, 2006, 03:38 PM

Poor poor arse they can't plan a stadium to save their lives. Last night I was in the pub with a mate and we were joined by a couple teachers. One of them said that his mate worked on the AB site doing the removel of the soil. It was interesting hear that the depth that was need was not reseached to well also when they finally knew what amount needed to be taken away then as they digging they hit contaminated soil so specialists had to be called in to remove the contaminated soil making the costs of the removel of the soil soar as well as delaying the whole thing. Oh nearly foreget the England game finished with how many Spurs player and how many arse?

You know, you're sarting to sound like a Spurs version of bubomb with a massive chip on the shoulder.

Just accept that for the past 20 years Arsenal have been the more sucessful and better run club.

This might convince you...

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/wabi/spurs/Walls/wallpaper1/Rebrov.jpg

Its AlL gUUd

March 4th, 2006, 03:43 PM

^^ Im not an arsenal fan but to here Spurs fans arguing about who is the bigger team is laughable. Face it Arsenal have won and been more successful, just live with it.

Roar

March 4th, 2006, 04:04 PM

Poor poor arse they can't plan a stadium to save their lives. Last night I was in the pub with a mate and we were joined by a couple teachers. One of them said that his mate worked on the AB site doing the removel of the soil. It was interesting hear that the depth that was need was not reseached to well also when they finally knew what amount needed to be taken away then as they digging they hit contaminated soil so specialists had to be called in to remove the contaminated soil making the costs of the removel of the soil soar as well as delaying the whole thing. Oh nearly foreget the England game finished with how many Spurs player and how many arse?

:strawclutching:

Whenever your pissed off, you always start with a fake problem with the stadium...

a few months ago, - Oh theres a problem with the bridge.

a few weeks back - Oh theres a problem with the roof and it will cost us £2 million.

Today - now theres a problem with the soil. :bullshit: - problem will be dealt with in weeks if it happened.

Newflash; none of this ever comes to surface.

Even if the problem was true, atleast the ground will be made eventualy and I am sure that mcalpine will cover the cost as it is their responsibility.

Next week: 2005 - " a bird has crapped on the roof and it will cost us £25,067 to clean."

2005

March 4th, 2006, 04:14 PM

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/wabi/spurs/Walls/wallpaper1/Rebrov.jpg

What a ledge it was bloody Hoddle that screwed the guys carer barely ever played him. Ah I'll never foreget that goal he scored at Wet Spam in the cup. Anyway we paid £11m and he went for a free whilst had a £13m loss with wiltord you should have given him the four years he wanted as he deserved it he was a very good player for your lot. Anyway thats the past and I am looking foreword to the future :cheers:

Iain1974

March 4th, 2006, 04:22 PM

.......... he was a very good player for your lot. Anyway thats the past and I am looking foreword to the future :cheers:

My lot? My lot? MY F***ING LOT? How f***ing dare you!!!!

Roar

March 4th, 2006, 06:10 PM

Henry x 2 = 17 for the season. (In premiership).
Adebayor = 2 Goal in 3.
Fabregas = another goal = The New Zico?

:dance:

highburysouljah

March 4th, 2006, 09:41 PM

whos winning the goldren boot race

andysimo123

March 4th, 2006, 10:06 PM

Ruud is with 19 goals.

Jack Rabbit Slim

March 5th, 2006, 04:38 AM

Please, can all of you stop this constant bitching about Spurs and Arsenal, lets all just stress less, take a chill pill, relax to the max, and cool by the pool!

Both are great clubs that are in the top level of English football at the moment, there's no need to start slagging each other off like ignorant football yobs

Henry x 2 = 17 for the season. (In premiership).
Adebayor = 2 Goal in 3.
Fabregas = another goal = The New Zico?

:dance:
That was a great match....I'm a Man U supporter and even I had to admire how well Henry played; it was like watching the Arsenal of old. Although, to be fair, Fulham played like grade A schoolboys! They did what no team should do, and sat back and waited for Arsenal to develop a move. A lot of teams recently have learnt how to deal with Arsenal's style of play, and they counter it by pressuring them, not letting them have any space, closing players down and not letting them come inside the defence, which is why Arsenal have not been as successful lately.

Their lack of English, or even British players is somewhat disconcerting though, and it is harder for me to like a club in the Premiership if there is not a promissing English talent in it. I hope Theo Walcot will bring that to Arsenal!

Anyone got any more pics of the stadium...in snow maybe??...has it been snowing in London??

:cheers:

Roar

March 5th, 2006, 12:25 PM

Please, can all of you stop this constant bitching about Spurs and Arsenal, lets all just stress less, take a chill pill, relax to the max, and cool by the pool!

Both are great clubs that are in the top level of English football at the moment, there's no need to start slagging each other off like ignorant football yobs

That was a great match....I'm a Man U supporter and even I had to admire how well Henry played; it was like watching the Arsenal of old. Although, to be fair, Fulham played like grade A schoolboys! They did what no team should do, and sat back and waited for Arsenal to develop a move. A lot of teams recently have learnt how to deal with Arsenal's style of play, and they counter it by pressuring them, not letting them have any space, closing players down and not letting them come inside the defence, which is why Arsenal have not been as successful lately.

Their lack of English, or even British players is somewhat disconcerting though, and it is harder for me to like a club in the Premiership if there is not a promissing English talent in it. I hope Theo Walcot will bring that to Arsenal!

Anyone got any more pics of the stadium...in snow maybe??...has it been snowing in London??

:cheers:

Fairplay.

2005

March 5th, 2006, 01:20 PM

Please, can all of you stop this constant bitching about Spurs and Arsenal, lets all just stress less, take a chill pill, relax to the max, and cool by the pool!

Both are great clubs that are in the top level of English football at the moment, there's no need to start slagging each other off like ignorant football yobs

That was a great match....I'm a Man U supporter and even I had to admire how well Henry played; it was like watching the Arsenal of old. Although, to be fair, Fulham played like grade A schoolboys! They did what no team should do, and sat back and waited for Arsenal to develop a move. A lot of teams recently have learnt how to deal with Arsenal's style of play, and they counter it by pressuring them, not letting them have any space, closing players down and not letting them come inside the defence, which is why Arsenal have not been as successful lately.

Their lack of English, or even British players is somewhat disconcerting though, and it is harder for me to like a club in the Premiership if there is not a promissing English talent in it. I hope Theo Walcot will bring that to Arsenal!

Anyone got any more pics of the stadium...in snow maybe??...has it been snowing in London??

:cheers:

Well done for keeping the peace.

:applause:

I 100% agree with you on what you said about the way Arsenal played they were superb and that player Adebayor is a true talent he is a fantastic player and one Arsenal should do everything to make sure he doesn't go in the summer. He has the poteintial to become a great player I see a lot in him.

Roar when I talked about the soil I wasn't lying that was what I was told was one of the reasons for the construction of the stadium being delayed was that it was badly researched thats all.

James21

March 5th, 2006, 01:44 PM

You make it sound like they are struggling to keep hold of Adebayor. They only bought him two months ago why in gods name would they be getting rid of him?

Anyway, back to the stadium.

Cant wait. end of.

Noostairz

March 5th, 2006, 03:31 PM

edit.

JacobRit

March 5th, 2006, 03:54 PM

yeah but no but yeah but no but Arsenal are loads betta cos i heard tracy walker tell suzi wilson behind the bike shed and she knows what she is on about cos once she gave Dave Smith who plays in goal for the school team a blowjob in science class so she knows all about footie and that!

mauritius gunner

March 5th, 2006, 06:09 PM

Great match yesterday, but I am beginning to wonder why we splashed on Theo Walcott? He's been a gooner for well over a month now and only had a couple of reserve games. I hope Wenger maximises his potential and doesn't do a Wright-Phillips on him.

Yes, I can't wait until the new stadium opens, the extra seats will ensure more availability. I've actually held-out on red membership this year, because the last season in Highbury will be virtually impossible to get tickets. Only fixture attended this year was Carling-cup semi against Wigan.

Had thought about getting red membership, if we beat Real and go into quarter-finals of CL. It would be nice to go to Highbury again this season and if there were any chance we made CL final in Paris, not sure if red membership will be enough though.

As your average Londoner (foresaking my namesake), I can't afford a season ticket, but would like to see them more regular- have set personal target of 2/3 premiership fixtures, at least 2/3 Carling Cup fixtures (nice and cheap), plus 1 extra cup fixture- FA Cup or Champions League (if I'm lucky and they release to red members).

mauritius gunner

March 5th, 2006, 06:13 PM

I think Millenium Stadium is confirmed for FA Cup final.

I know we are well out of it, but does anybody know if the Community Shield is going to be at Wembley this year?

Its AlL gUUd

March 5th, 2006, 06:28 PM

^^ YES the community shield is scheduled for wembley

Roar

March 5th, 2006, 10:07 PM

The good thing about the emirates deal is that:

1. We recieve the bulk of money upfront = 72 million over first 7 years = 10.2 million a year = A huge chunk of the debt payed off initialy = more cash enabled for transfers = enhanced success on the field = more customers through the gate/garaunteed crowds = Debts in the medium term payed and significantly enlarged cashflows = successful project.

2. After the 8 year shirt term we can apply for a new one, pending on success, I could see a deal worth 20/70 million for those last 7 years of the Emirates term = A Sponsorship income more like this....

£120 - 170 Million over 15 years.... not too bad if you ask me....

To jeapordise this deal would be stupid.

mauritius gunner

March 5th, 2006, 10:39 PM

eddyk

March 7th, 2006, 03:18 PM

61 day left :banana:

bubomb

March 7th, 2006, 07:05 PM

That bottom tier looks a bit crap to be honest!! It's flatter than a big flat thing on national flat day!!

eddyk

March 7th, 2006, 10:58 PM

We've already established that, many times.

Roar

March 9th, 2006, 12:01 AM

Sitback
highburysouljah
Mauritius Gooner
CabMan

You know what I am Sayin

:highpitched: YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- We Knocked out Madrid!!!!

- We are the only team left in it.

- That leaves us time for premier league.

We are through to Cl quater final, I Believe we can win it!!!!!

Back to the stadium,

Looks spectacular, but Highbury deserved a night like this, lets hope we can bring home the last type of trophy needed to truely round off the cabinet for highbury's final few weeks.

Gosh I will miss Highbury, but it is nessecary if Arsenal wish to become one of the biggest clubs in Europe.

Most importantly, the team that won that tie were incredibly young and have the pottencial to win many Pieces of silverware in the coming years.

Not to mention how important this was for us financialy, that will keep those payments at bay for the next few months LOL. - Although I have no doubt In my mind we will pay off the debts through the increased revenue.

Peace out.

Chillin by the pool.

bubomb

March 9th, 2006, 01:12 AM

It's another terrible year in Europe for English teams, thus proving once again that the Premiership is far from the best league in Europe!! Even though the Italian league is going through a bad spell, their teams still dominate Europe!!

The list reads -

Italy - 3 teams (Inter will win)
Spain - 2 teams
France - 1 team
Portugal - 1 team
England - 1 team

If England is not careful they might lose their 4 teams to France in the future!!

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2006.html

In my 25 years of watching European football, it has been almost totally dominated by Italy (with Spain doing very well a few times). Even this year with Italian attendances at a record low, Italian teams still dominate Europe!!

A lot of English fans use the European ban as an excuse for their failings in Europe, but that was almost 20 years ago and hasn't been a valid excuse for a long long time!!

Well done to Arsenal though, as at least they managed to keep alive a slim hope of an English team winning it. Imagine if Spurs make it next year!! What an embarrassment that will be with such a small, unheard of club competing for England in the Champions League!!

Lostboy

March 9th, 2006, 01:34 AM

Its a bad year for Germanic Teams.

Latino's - 7 Germanians -1.

I just hope Arsenal can produce another Teutoberg.

bubomb

March 9th, 2006, 01:39 AM

Its a bad year for Germanic Teams.

Latino's - 7 Germanians -1.

I just hope Arsenal can produce another Teutoberg.

Yes, it's another bad one the the Germans!!

Welly

March 9th, 2006, 01:46 AM

European Cup/ Champions League wins

England 10
Spain 10
Italy 10
Germany 6

UEFA Cup wins

England 10
Italy 10
Spain 9
Germany 6

Cup Winners' Cup wins

England 8
Italy 7
Spain 7
Germany 5

TOTAL WINS

England 28
Italy 27
Spain 26
Germany 17

A lot of English fans use the European ban as an excuse for their failings in Europe

If England is not careful they might lose their 4 teams to France in the future!!

:|

as you were

Lostboy

March 9th, 2006, 01:49 AM

Welly

March 9th, 2006, 01:55 AM

Oh yes, this 4th spot we're in danger of losing to France.

Their record:

Cup Winners' Cup wins - 1
UEFA Cup wins - 0
European Cup/Champions League wins - 1 (which was dodgy at best)

TOTAL - 2

Lostboy

March 9th, 2006, 02:07 AM

kingdomca

March 9th, 2006, 02:12 AM

The champions league is just the best thing in football today when it reaches the KO stage.
The english-italian-spanish dominance will surely be challenged much more consistently in the future as the french and germans are closing the financial gap and in the future more countries may follow.

Its questionable whether Benfica could have beat Liverpool had they not hosted EURO 2004 and got such a great stadium. Thats the great benefit from Portugal hosting.
Perhaps a swiss team like Basel will improve as well with their increased capacity.
Russia and other eastern european nations may be on their way as well.

If only it could be made a KO tournament again right from the beginning. It could be a phenomenal thing in the future with so many teams capable of challenging.

bubomb

March 9th, 2006, 02:19 AM

The fourth spot is calculated on the last five years by UEFA. Even so, we've had teams in the quarter finals every year, not to mention the most recent winner of the Champions League, for all the barbarians mocking is English. We shouldn't get cocky about retaining it, but we're hardly in danger of losing our spot to France.

Tell us Bubomb, in the last five years when was the last time France had a more impressive Champions League record than England. Even in this one, I suspect Arsenal will do better.

I'm not saying France have done better, i'm just saying that there isn't that big a gap between the quality of French football and English football (if any!!), as shown this year by the fact that both countries have only one team left in the tournament. In the UEFA cup, France has 3 teams left and England only has one!!

and Lyon v Arsenal would be a very close game!!

bubomb

March 9th, 2006, 02:20 AM

Oh yes, this 4th spot we're in danger of losing to France.

Their record:

Cup Winners' Cup wins - 1
UEFA Cup wins - 0
European Cup/Champions League wins - 1 (which was dodgy at best)

TOTAL - 2

It doesn't work like that!! anything achieved previous to 5 years ago counts for nothing in the seedings. The vast majority of England's success in Europe has come from a time long long past!!

Welly

March 9th, 2006, 02:22 AM

It doesn't work like that!! anything achieved previous to 5 years ago counts for nothing in the seedings.

Exactly why we're in no danger whatsoever of losing our 4th spot to France.

JimB

March 9th, 2006, 02:26 AM

It doesn't work like that!! anything achieved previous to 5 years ago counts for nothing in the seedings.

The UEFA coefficient gap between England and France is currently 10 points. Trust me. That is huge. And France are not even remotely close to bridging that gap in the immediate future.

Of course, things could look very different in five years time but, since none of us are clairvoyants, there's little point in speculating.

Jack Rabbit Slim

March 9th, 2006, 02:27 AM

bubomb

March 9th, 2006, 02:50 AM

People do always l underestimate Italian Teams. Their stadia are rotting, their fans aren't turning up, their national team is a shoadow of its former self, but they still have produced at least a quarter of the European Teams in the last eight, and possibly more.

I do recall it was not so long ago however that they went a couple of seasons without getting anyone in the last eight. For all that English Teams may well be underperforming, I imagine you have to go back almost a decade - perhaps I'm wrong - to find us not having a single team in the last eight.

As for Germanians, my Keltoi Friend, the spirit of Genau is still strong in us.

Italy did have an all Italian final (3 out of the 4 semi-final teams were Italian teams), as did the Spanish!!

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/match2003.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/match2000.html

Quite amazingly, Italian teams won all 3 trophies in 1990, including an all Italian final.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method1/match1990.html

kingdomca

March 9th, 2006, 02:58 AM

England are obviously not going to be overtaken by France anytime soon.
Its probably the safest gap in the entire ranking...

England are in fact much more likely to go past Italy and Spain in the next 2 years rather than be overtaken as these 2 countries will lose some succeful seasons in the 5 year-scores.

Even this year, England will probably close the gap on Spain for the same reason.

bubomb

March 9th, 2006, 03:12 AM

It's alright, just ignore BuBomb, he tries to be civil, but his anti-English nature just over-rides his ability to post a sensible comment.

Just check a few posts above mine by Welly, and you'll see England have outperformed all other nations in Europe....or do you not consider that relevant information? I'll be the first to admitt England hasn't performed as well as it could do in Europe in recent years, but it goes in cycles; and when you can say your country's having a bad time in Europe while still holding the Champions league title...well, I'd say that aint too bad a thing ;)

Chelsea could beat just about every other team in the competition at the moment, except Barcelona, but they happened to face the best team in the competition at this stage, so they are out, that's how it goes sometimes. And Chelsea can beat them on some occassions, when they are at their very best.

Liverpool pretty much outperformed Benfica last night and had lots of chances, but they don't have any decent strikers at the moment, which is letting them down, but this is most likely a temporary problem.

Man U just didn't perform when they needed to. They are better then a lot of teams still in the competition, but they just didn't play well in their matches early on in the season, but they'll bounce back next year.

Arsenal, who aren't as good (it has to be said) as the top three in the premiership, still managed to beat Real Madrid, and I wish them all the best in their quarter finals match.

I like the way you 'conveniently' put England at the bottom of this list, making them look worse:

Italy - 3 teams (Inter will win)
Spain - 2 teams
France - 1 team
Portugal - 1 team
England - 1 team

How about we make it like this:

Italy - 3 teams (Inter will win)
Spain - 2 teams
England - 1 team
Portugal - 1 team
France - 1 team

There, now doesn't that look better?? :)

As I've said, English teams haven't been forming particularly well in the Champions league in the past few years (though we are still title holders :D ) but we aint doing that badly, and I am very pleased to see Italian football standards on the rise. But many people still prefer the Premier league because of the matches, the rivalries, the players, the atmosphere, the different cups, the chance of lower league teams beating Prem teams, the flowing nature of the game (instead of all these constant dives and fouls in Spanish and Italian leagues) plus the fact that the Italian and Spanish leagues are littered with racism and fashism!

But again, this thread is starting to go off topic, and I don't want BuBomb to ruin another thread, so we'll say no more about it and focus again on the stadium if we can!

New pics any1?

:cheers:

English football is definitely on a downward spiral. It was very good about 4 years ago, but now the league is terrible with Chelsea now automatic winners before a ball is kicked. The games are dull and the atmosphere at most games is shockingly bad!! The fans just sit there in drab clothes watching the game and sometimes playing with their mobile phones!! (go to Germany if you want to see a REAL atmosphere!). On most games on Sky you can hear a pin drop! Most the games on Sky featuring the bottom half teams are so bad that you would have to pay me to watch them!!

Benfica have beaten Liverpool 3-0, and it was easy for them. They just sat back and hit Liverpool on the break. Benfica knew exactly what to do and their plan was a 100% success. Manchester United were crap and were so bad they finished bottom of their group (unimaginable 4 years ago). They are just not good enough. Even Chelsea with all their hundreds of millions couldn't beat Barcelona. Well done to Arsenal, but they have no chance of winning it.

It's bad times for the Premiership as it's now pointless - just give the trophy to Chelsea in August!!

Italian and Spanish leagues are littered with racism and fashism!

What's fashism?? Is that players who take their fashion sense too seriously?