Greenville County, SC Development News [Archive] - Page 12

g-man430

March 4th, 2008, 07:24 AM

COVINGTON/TUTMAN COMMERCIAL ANNOUNCES EXCLUSIVE MARKETING CONTRACT
Company to provide services for sale and/or lease of Millennium Campus property

Greenville, S.C.-Local businessmen Chris Hack and Ron Johnson, both of Covington/Tutman Commercial, announce an exclusive marketing contract for three properties owned and/or controlled by Rosen Associates Development, Inc. The three parcels (Laurens East, Laurens West and Green 20), located within Millennium Campus, represent quality land available for purchase and/or lease for the development of high-rise corporate headquarters, medical office, hotel, and/or restaurant sites. Rosen Associates Development Inc. is the developer on all three parcels.

The Laurens East site, comprised of 37 acres, and the Laurens West site of 10 acres are situated on Laurens Road directly across from the Clemson University ICAR campus and the future St. Francis - Millennium hospital site. The Green 20 site is 20 acres located on the Verdae side of Interstate 85 at the intersection of Salters Road and Old Sulpher Springs Road across from the recently opened Hubbell Lighting, Inc. corporate headquarters, the first tenant on Millennium Campus. All sites are designed to accommodate mixed-use development.

"CT Commercial is excited to oversee sales and marketing efforts of these tracts. The visibility of Millennium Campus and CU-ICAR represent an opportunity for more distinctive development in the Upstate. This property will allow national corporations to initiate or enhance their presence in Greenville," stated Chris Hack, Managing Member of Covington/Tutman Commercial.

"We are proud to partner with the team at Covington/Tutman Commercial and look forward to the expansion of Millennium Campus, which we believe will continue to have a tremendous impact on the economic landscape of Upstate South Carolina" said Rosen Associates CEO Cliff Rosen.

Covington/Tutman Commercial offers brokerage, sales, marketing and development services in the commercial real estate market. The company is a division of Covington/Tutman Properties, a real estate sales, construction and development company for both residential and commercial properties. For more information, call 864.351.0390 or visit www.covtutcommercial.com.

Raleigh-NC

March 4th, 2008, 04:16 PM

g-man, you are rushing to bury me. I will be haunting your dreams, though, and I am not sure you want that ;)

apaladin, I am with you... I'd rather see high-rises, but it all boils down to the bottom line. It is easier and cheaper to put low-to-mid-rises all over the place, in phases, instead of a few high-rises. Not to mention that the final price of building taller structures is what keeps developers from going up instead of out. When we run out of [cheap] land, look for developers to actually get the message.

g-man430

March 5th, 2008, 06:33 AM

^^:lol: :goodnight What's the worse a penguin could do in my dreams? Oh wait. :eek:

Im interested in the Easley developement

More backhoes/bulldozers arriving on site earlier today with more signs going up around the site. :)

g-man430

March 5th, 2008, 05:35 PM

Look who is #2: http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fortune/0803/gallery.people_management.fortune/2.html

Greenville, Mauldin, Easley expanding according to USA Today chart, while Spartanburg and Anderson at risk: http://www.usatoday.com/money/graphics/recession_states/flash.htm Funny thing is Spartanburg County has several companies expanding in the area like Echostar, Adidas, BMW, etc. Odd to see them at risk. If Anderson lands Volkswagen they will be off the at-risk list in a hearbeat. :)

g-man430

March 5th, 2008, 06:05 PM

Easley Town Center:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/untitled.jpg

Greenville

March 5th, 2008, 08:05 PM

I am not wowed by the Easley Town Center project. I realize that it is a good project for Easley, especially since it will add some new entrants to that area (Office Depot, Kohl's, Ross). But it also seems to involve a few stores that are simply moving from other Easley locations (Wal-Mart, movie theater). It's too bad Target couldn't be lured there instead of Wal-Mart. Oh well.

I hope there will also be plenty of good restaurant and smaller retailers to truly add to the quality of life there. Easley sure needs it.

Skyliner

March 5th, 2008, 08:07 PM

I can't see the "town center" part of the project though. Really sad to see such an opportunity wasted, in my opinion.

g-man430

March 5th, 2008, 08:17 PM

^^I'm not thrilled by the design either. I think a lot of the reason you don't see a town center as part of this project is because Easley isn't big enough to support the retailers that would locate in one like Coldwater Creek, Chicos, Banana Republic, etc. It will be better than what's on site now though.

g-man430

March 5th, 2008, 08:29 PM

Regarding Page 4: http://www.cedarwooddevelopment.com/images/projects/Easley-Site_Package.pdf I wonder if one of those future development parcels could have a lifestyle portion to it. :dunno:

g-man430

March 6th, 2008, 01:53 AM

Another story on Easley Town Center: http://theeasleyprogress.com/articles/2008/03/05/news/06-easley%20responds%20smith%2002-29.txt

03/03/08:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/001-5.jpg

03/05/08:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/003-5.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/005-4.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/006-6.jpg

g-man430

March 6th, 2008, 03:30 AM

:) Nice to see more development coming to the area I live in: http://www.independentmail.com/news/2008/mar/05/two-hotels-slated-development-exit-40-anderson-cou/

g-man430

March 6th, 2008, 06:11 AM

Official website for Village at Mountain Park now up: http://www.mountainparkvillage.com/

Skyliner

March 6th, 2008, 11:31 AM

Official website for Village at Mountain Park now up: http://www.mountainparkvillage.com/Nice!:)

Raleigh-NC

March 6th, 2008, 03:33 PM

I like the architecture of Mountain Park Village :okay:

Greenville

March 6th, 2008, 06:30 PM

:) Nice to see more development coming to the area I live in: http://www.independentmail.com/news/2008/mar/05/two-hotels-slated-development-exit-40-anderson-cou/

That rendering for the Best Western looks nice. Good to see that Powdersville is adding two new hotels. Interesting how The Greenville News has not even mentioned this, even though it is most certainly in the Greenville metro area (even though the census folks consider it in the Anderson MSA rather than the Greenville MSA :nuts:).

g-man430

March 6th, 2008, 11:36 PM

^^:lol: Where exactly will this development be going at I-85/Highway 153? :dunno: I'm guessing next to the Arby's.

I knew gas prices were high but damn:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/emelvee/Funny%20pics/DSC00033.jpg

g-man430

March 7th, 2008, 07:32 AM

I told you it got changed: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/BUSINESS/80306037/1004/NEWS01 Not suprising to me one bit.

"We need the right tenants in there," Chapman said. "Since the right ones aren’t expanding right now, we’ll just wait until they do." Wrong. They're just going to Magnolia Park Town Center instead. :lol: All of these developments put on hold could actually help downtown in a way. Less mixed-use developments out in the suburbs means more people and development downtown in my book. Think about it. If the Point doesn't happen, that could help the gateway site get built because people who would of gotten a condo or apartment at the Point might now instead get one at the Gateway site or somewhere else downtown. They would probably be in the same price range. :)

Greenville

March 7th, 2008, 08:18 AM

I told you it got changed: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/BUSINESS/80306037/1004/NEWS01 Not suprising to me one bit.

Something else on hold, huh? That stinks, but at least they would rather be patient and build a great project than be desperate and build something inferior sooner. I can live with this.

I agree with you about many of those new retailers going to Magnolia Park Town Center, g-man. It makes sense. Magnolia Park will not only include many retailers new to the Greenville market, but new to South Carolina as well. There isn't room for Magnolia Park to grab those tenants AND see another large retail complex built a few miles away. One day, there will be room and hopefully they will be part of Crescent.

g-man430

March 7th, 2008, 08:21 AM

^^It's mainly on hold due to the company having problems with funding other developments not related to this one luckily. Same goes with the Pinnacle on Main. The investors are very nervous right now. Currently, Crescent Place is scheduled to start in fall of 2008 which is six months later than originally proposed. I agree that I would rather have it be put on hold for 6 months-year than see something less appealing built. :) Besides, we'll have several developments to keep track of in the spring including Easley Town Center, Easton Marketplace, Magnolia Park, etc. Like I said, the economy is bad whether you won't to believe it or not. Luckily not as much here as in other places. I'm taking an economics class right now in college so I should know. I know some of you guys are complaining about several projects in the area getting put on hold, but think about this. How many large mixed-use and highrise projects were proposed for the area in 2002? Zero. How many are proposed for the area in 2008? More than I count. Magnolia Park, Crescent Place, The Point, Verdae, Pinnacle on Main, Millennium Campus, ICAR, Easley Town Center, Easton Marketplace, Gateway towers, Peacock Hotel and Spa, Riverplace, Dillard Creek/Creekside Village, etc. didn't exist in 2002 but do now. Some will get built on time, some will be put on hold but still get built, and some won't get built at all. That's just the way it works in a city with a growing economy. Happens everywhere. I for one am glad to see developers envision great things for the area even if they don't get built. That shows they believe this area is growing at a good rate and can support these type of things we didn't even think were possible a decade ago. I for one am proud to be a part of the growth taking place here. :)

Greenville

March 7th, 2008, 08:34 AM

^^ Very well said, g-man! :applause:

g-man430

March 8th, 2008, 12:33 AM

http://www.wyff4.com/news/15529198/detail.html

Multimillion-Dollar Project To Bring 900 Jobs
Easley Breaks Ground On New Shopping Center

POSTED: 3:57 pm EST March 7, 2008

EASLEY, S.C. -- A multimillion dollar project is under way in Easley, and it come with the promise of hundreds of new jobs.

The groundbreaking for a new shopping center was held Friday morning.

Easley Mayor Larry Bagwell said the day was bittersweet for him.

The Saco Lowell plant closed in the late '70s, and now the old building is coming down so the new $82 million Easley Town Center can go up.

Bagwell said, "I was here. Watched it come up, now watching it go down."

"It's a good feeling (but) sort of a sad feeling too because it's a part of Easley that's leaving," he said.

Cedarwood Develop Director David Scarnati said, "Wal-Mart is going to be our anchor. We have several other national tenants that I think everyone is familiar with. We're just not at liberty to release names yet."

Scarnati did say once completed, the center will bring 900 permanent jobs. And that's in addition to the hundreds of construction workers who will be hired to work on the project.

"It will be a nice boost for the city of Easley and surrounding community," Bagwell said.

The announcement couldn't come at a better time. This month, 265 people will lose their jobs when Alice Manufacturing's foster plant shuts down.

"It's a tremendous step as far as the economy," Bagwell said. "This is going to open up other avenues."

The shopping center is expected to open in March 2009.

g-man430

March 8th, 2008, 01:42 AM

Sprawl: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=BS&Date=20080307&Category=YOURUPSTATE10&ArtNo=803070806&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=1 :D

g-man430

March 8th, 2008, 05:55 AM

Should I post all of the negative articles in the Journal this week or just skip it? :eek: What happened? Why all of the negative articles all of the sudden?

g-man430

March 8th, 2008, 06:48 AM

How Greenville measures up
The area gets high marks for quality of life, but low per capita income has folks wondering what's going on

John Boyanoski-Greenville Journal

The cold, hard facts are undeniable.

The average per capita income of Greenville residents is declining compared to the rest of the nation.

After reaching 2 percentage points over the national average in 1999, the average per capita income has been in a free fall that now puts the county at its lowest point since the Reagan administration.

No one knows for sure why. Closed textile mills and a resulting under-skilled work force seem certain. But some wonder whether leaders of high-paying companies outside the region have been spooked by the constroversies of the 1990s and early 2000s.

First, was the well-publicized loss of runners carrying the Olympic torch through the county on the way to Atlanta after Greenville County Council passed a resolution against gays. Then came a prolonged debate over adopting the Martin Luther King holiday and residents rejected a school-construction plan.

But even as income has stalled, Greenville is being held up across the South as a place that is getting it right when it comes to creating a strong business climate and quality of life. Numerous other communities have sent delegations here to try and copy Greenville's success.

Jerry Howard, president and chief executive office of the Greenville Area Development Corp., said the two sides of the economic coin are hard to figure out. "This is a journey, not a destination," he said.

An economic scorecard released by the Greenville Chamber of Commerce along with Advantage Greenville, Clmeson University, Greenville Forward and Advance SC this week showed the disparity.

Hank Hyatt, the Chamber vice president of economic development, said the scorecard was done to show how the community is performing when compared to like-sized areas as well as potential target areas.

The idea was to get people talking, because Greenville is not performing as well as it could be, he said.

Valinda Rutledge, chief executive officer of Bon Secours St. Francis Health System, said this is the kind of data that can be brought to the community to show that work needs to be done.

After its public unveiling Monday, it will be taken to numerous groups in the region in the coming months, she said. Business leaders need to take a more proactive role in changing Greenville. "It allows us to look at ourselves honestly," Rutledge said.

The numbers don't paint a good picture of the Greenville metropolitan area, which also includes Laurens and Pickens counties.

The per capita income of Greenville residents has increased by 26.7 percent in the past 20 years to a shade more than $30,000 a year, but the national average grew 27.8 percent, according to the data.

Greenville's numbers are still above the state average as well as neighboring counties such as Anderson and Spartanburg. However, the per capita income levels are below those of the Columbia and Charleston metro areas, which wasn't the case a decade ago.

It would be easy to say that Greenville's overall numbers are hurt by the presence of rural areas included in the data, but Hyatt said that same argument can be made for its peer cities.

Greenville is well below target cities such as Charlotte, Nashville, Raleigh and Austin. However, both Austin and Raleigh have been declining. And while Austin and Raleigh can tie their losses to the dot.com bubble burst, Greenville's decline is tougher to gauge.

Howard said a lot of it has to do with the declines in the textile industry and few new jobs to fill the gap.

He also believes the early 2000s battles over the King holiday hurt business recruitment, but he could not say how much. The companies that looked at Greenville and eventually moved here never mentioned it as a problem.

But he could not say how many times Greenville was not considered because of the negative publicity. "I'm sure it had an impact," he said.

The state as a whole suffers from the publicity over the protracted debate over taking the Confederate flag off the top of the State House dome. In 2000, lawmakers agreed to stop flying the flag, but put it in front of the building at the Confederate Monument.

Greenville Mayor Knox White said misjudging Greenville is a problem as a whole. During the recent Bassmaster Classic, numerous fans and exhibitors said they were suprised as how metropolitan Greenville was and how many people lived here.

The reason was U.S. Census numbers show the city of Greenville at 56,000 people, which often gets it knocked off the list of potential developers who look only at the size of a city even though the metro area has close to 400,000 and there are 1.2 million people in the region.

Another problem facing Greenville is the level of education of the work force. The scorecard showed 80.57 percent of workers in the Greenville area have a high school diploma, and 24.66 have a college degree.

It was 79.38 percent and 21.13 when Spartanburg and Anderson counties were included.

All of those numbers were lower than the peer cities selected for Greenville and include Charleston, Columbia, Lexington and Louisville, Ky., Jackson, Miss., Little Rock, Ark., Jacksonville, Birmingham, Ala., Greensboro, NC., and Knoxville, Tenn.

Hyatt said if Greenville wants to increase its per capita income it must increase the number of high school graduates. Increasing the number of college graduates will stimulate job growth.

White said education may be a cultural problem because some don't see the value of getting a diploma. It reflects onthe community as a whole that voters refused to allow bonds to be issued in 2001 to build schools to replae the many aging facilities in the district.

In the years since, the school district was able to get the money without voter approval to replace or refurbish all of the rundown schools.

Many of the controversies started with Greenville County Council votes, and there were numerous charges of animosity between city and county leaders in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

One of the uglier battles was about putting a baseball stadium on the Reedy River that eventually led to a lawsuit that pitted the city and county against each other.

And during the 17-year struggle to get a King holiday passed by the county, the city of Greenville was mistakenly criticized because most people outside of the region didn't know the differences between the two. National radio celebrity Tom Joyner blasted the city even though the city had approved the holiday.

White, though, said he didn't think tensions between the city and county have hurt the economy or business recruitment.

County Council Chairman Butch Kirven believes similarly and said city and county leaders have set aside their differences and working on numerous projects including a revamped transit system.

Irv Welling, chairman of Elliott Davis, said the peer cities and data sets weren't chosen to make Greenville look bad, but to help keep steering the business community forward. "This is a special place," Welling said. "But we want to keep improving."

And the scorecard isn't all bad news for Greenville. The region does better when looking at things such as innovative activity and capacity, which measures graduate students, patents created and engineering jobs.

Greenville is second to Lexington in the smaller peer group and third in the larger group behind Knoxville and Richmond. And it does better than its target cities of Nashville and Austin.

Hyatt said that shows the potential exists, but Greenville is still below the national average in those fields. In addition, Greenville ranked No. 1 when it came to fostering an entrepreneurial environment in the small-peer group and third in the large group.

Hyatt said he plans to update the data everyyear to help gauge where Greenville is going.

David Barkley, on eof the Clemson professors who administered the report, said it is important to remember that all of the other regions are trying to increase their per capita incomes, educated labor force and entrepreneurial efforts. "We are not alone in this," he said.

g-man430

March 8th, 2008, 09:11 AM

apaladin

March 8th, 2008, 03:11 PM

:nuts: What would the world be without another story on Easley Town Center: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080308/BUSINESS/803080326/1003 Wouldn't be suprised to see more tomorrow and next week.

Please, enough about the Easley Town Center, it's just another Wal-Mart shopping center. Big deal! Wal-Mart is trying to rule the world. I have a strong dislike for W/M.
:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

erm1981

March 8th, 2008, 05:59 PM

Yeah I am with apaladin in that I want to hear something big announced or see the renderings for the gateway site.

g-man430

March 8th, 2008, 08:44 PM

^^I'm with both of you too. Just look at my signature. :lol: Why couldn't it have been a Target instead. :bash:

erm1981

March 8th, 2008, 11:21 PM

Yeah I think the Walmart could stay where it is at in Easley and put a supertarget out there at Easley town center.

g-man430

March 9th, 2008, 04:07 AM

^^I would have rather seen something like this: http://www.clarydev.com/pdf/Shack%208-25-071.pdf That way it could still have the big-box stores but also look halfway decent.

g-man430

March 9th, 2008, 05:18 AM

Is it just me or does the site plan for MPTC look very similar to the Woodlands in Houston: http://trademarkproperty.com/images/SitePlans/MSWSitePlan_02.07.08.pdf and http://trademarkproperty.com/images/Aerials/MSWAerial-5-15-07.pdf They both have a big-box store on the left side of the property and have the center area with store/restaurant parcels on the left and right side of the small park just like how it looks on the Magnolia Park site plan. Both were designed by Development Design Group.

I know it's unlikely but how badass would it be if the REI at Magnolia Park looked like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/acordova/655990749/

g-man430

March 9th, 2008, 07:18 AM

Rumor has it Cabela's is now in negotiations to put a store at Battery Park Towne Center in Anderson. The store would be 225,000 square feet if built, which would make it one of the largest ones in the country.

Skyliner

March 9th, 2008, 04:13 PM

I mentioned that rumor a year or two ago. ;)

erm1981

March 9th, 2008, 05:39 PM

I wonder if that has something to do with the recent success of the Bassmaster tournament.

g-man430

March 9th, 2008, 08:57 PM

I wonder if that has something to do with the recent success of the Bassmaster tournament.

They were in negotiations before the tournament like Skyliner said according to the rumor. :okay: The tournament doesn't hurt though. :) It would make sense to locate there seeing how they don't have a store in the southeast, Lake Hartwell is right next door, site is next to I-85, and Cabela's recently cancelled their location for Atlanta.

Easley1986

March 9th, 2008, 08:59 PM

Beware

March 9th, 2008, 09:50 PM

http://mygainesvilleattorney.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/wal-mart-image.jpg http://www.roblanderos.com/share/skreed/life/walmart_evil.jpg

g-man430

March 9th, 2008, 11:08 PM

^^:goodnight :D

Is there any chance of a Target taking the place of the old Wal-Mart on Pendleton Street? I cannot imagine that a place with a good location like the current Wal-Mart has would not be able to snag something at least halfway decent. Obviously I am hoping for a Target. Also, the big piece of land across from the Easley Town Center has a sign up saying it is soon to be developed, but I have heard nothing about what it will be yet. Anyone have any info?

Welcome to SSC Easley1986. :) I'm hoping Target will take over the Walmart site once they leave but there is no guarantee of that unfortunately. The piece of land across Highway 123 from Easley Town Center will become this: http://www.croxtongray.com/listings/wp-content/uploads/easley-development.pdf It doesn't look like a Target will be part of it.

g-man430

March 9th, 2008, 11:10 PM

edit: double post.

Skyliner

March 10th, 2008, 01:19 AM

Is there any chance of a Target taking the place of the old Wal-Mart on Pendleton Street? I cannot imagine that a place with a good location like the current Wal-Mart has would not be able to snag something at least halfway decent. Obviously I am hoping for a Target. Also, the big piece of land across from the Easley Town Center has a sign up saying it is soon to be developed, but I have heard nothing about what it will be yet. Anyone have any info?At one time, there was a plan to build a new Wal-Mart and then build a Sam's Club on the current Pendleton Street site. I am hoping that will still happen. Wal-Mart and Sam's Club are owned by the same company, so that would make sense, provided they still think the location is suitable.

Speaking of Target, did anyone else notice the Target logo on the document for the Easley Town Center development? I remember seeing it across the side road (name slips me) from the site. Of course they have several things wrong on that same document. No Win-Dixie (now Hobby Lobby) and in wrong place, wrong BI-LO logo, Staples logo in wrong place, etc...

Edit: After taking a closer look, it was Family Dollar, not Target. The logo is way out of place.

g-man430

March 10th, 2008, 01:25 AM

^^Target logo? Where? http://cedarwooddevelopment.com/projects.aspx?id=easley :shifty: :dunno:

Easley1986

March 10th, 2008, 07:56 AM

Ahh I see. Well it is good to see that the Cedarwood project is already sparking some new development. We definitely need that here.

As far as Target/Sam's, I would much prefer a Target personally (if I had to choose). I would, however, settle and be happy with the Sam's. I was hopeful that the anchor for the Easley Town Center would be a SuperTarget, but obviously I think it would be near impossible to get a Target and Wal-Mart in the same shopping center. Surely Target sees Easley as a future market, I just hope it is the near future.

By the way, thanks for the welcome! Great to finally be posting and not just reading.

g-man430

March 10th, 2008, 06:40 PM

How come everytime we make the news, it's for something bad? :ohno:

The town of Laurens, about 30 miles southeast of Greenville, was named after 18th century slave trader Henry Laurens.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-03-10-kkk-store_N.htm#uslPageReturn

g-man430

March 10th, 2008, 06:44 PM

BMW announces $750 million expansion and 500 new fulltime jobs :banana: http://goupstate.com/article/20080310/NEWS/6906111/1051/NEWS01

g-man430

March 10th, 2008, 06:56 PM

Jobs, jobs, jobs: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080307/NEWS/625006812 :dj:

Greenville

March 10th, 2008, 06:56 PM

g-man430

March 10th, 2008, 07:21 PM

1.2 million square foot assembly plant is what will be built at BMW according to WYFF: http://www.wyff4.com/news/15550661/detail.html :)

g-man430

March 10th, 2008, 08:03 PM

Highway 101 to the north. I-85 to the south. Current plant between new plant and I-85. New plant is Assembly North in color:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/bilde2.jpg

g-man430

March 10th, 2008, 08:33 PM

:bow: :bow: Best article: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080310005187&newsLang=en Best picture: http://mms.businesswire.com/bwapps/mediaserver/ViewMedia?mgid=127464&vid=5&download=1

StevenW

March 10th, 2008, 08:52 PM

Awesome news on the BMW expansion. :yes:

Beware

March 10th, 2008, 10:36 PM

Everybody Dance....

http://www.pairodice.org/images/disco_ball.gif

http://www.quebecel.com/forum/images/smilies/dj.gif

http://www.kathleens-graphics.com/Animated%20Gifs/animals/cats%20dogs/cat%20listening%20to%20hip%20hop.gif http://www.orcaspets.org/images/OtherPictures/DancingKitten.gif

g-man430

March 11th, 2008, 12:04 AM

^^:lol:

Rendering of new BMW plant:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/2008_03_10_frontview.jpg

StevenW

March 11th, 2008, 12:08 AM

Awesome! BMW has really been a boon for the GSP area. Lots of jobs!!! :)

g-man430

March 11th, 2008, 04:27 AM

Did everybody go on strike or something? :dunno: BMW announces major expansion and you guys are sitting on your hands again. Figures. :ohno: :bash:

StevenW

March 11th, 2008, 05:18 AM

Go BMW! Go! Go! Go! :cheer:

g-man430

March 11th, 2008, 06:33 AM

Kohls, Ross, Bed Bath and Beyond (worst store ever made :lol:), Office Depot, Petsmart or Petco, possibly Best Buy and Michaels for Easley Town Center. Confirmed. Thanks Dealman. :)

Greenville

March 11th, 2008, 06:49 AM

Kohls, Ross, Bed Bath and Beyond (worst store ever made :lol:), Office Depot, Petsmart or Petco, possibly Best Buy and Michaels for Easley Town Center. Confirmed. Thanks Dealman. :)

Still not a thrilling lineup for Easley Town Center, but Bed Bath and Beyond, PetSmart or Petco, and Best Buy or Michael's are solid additions. At least all of those are new additions to the Easley retail scene rather than relocations. If they add some good smaller retailers that will be a nice development (for Easley, anyway).

Nice avatar, g-man! I am still keeping my fingers crossed that Trader Joe's will be part of Magnolia Park Town Center. ;)

g-man430

March 11th, 2008, 06:55 AM

^^I want one of their t-shirts, but I can't find one on ebay for a good price. :cry: I got to get me some Trader Joe's pineapple juice. :drool: Two buck chuck. :nocrook: Best Buy sounds good for a city the size of Easley. The others aren't that great though except for maybe Kohl's and Petsmart/Petco IMO. :yes:

Greenville

March 11th, 2008, 07:25 AM

g-man430

March 11th, 2008, 07:29 AM

^^If they do come to Greenville which it looks like they probably will, i'm definitely sending in an application to work there. It wouldn't be Trader Joe's without g-man. :D

Greenville

March 11th, 2008, 07:47 AM

^^If they do come to Greenville which it looks like they probably will, i'm definitely sending in an application to work there. It wouldn't be Trader Joe's without g-man. :D

Plus, that's the only way to get your shirt (since they don't sell Trader Joe's merchandise to the public). If you can't find one on ebay from a former employee, that is. :lol:

Easley1986

March 11th, 2008, 09:15 AM

I'd be happy with a Best Buy. Maybe it'll make Black Friday a little less crowded.;)

g-man430

March 11th, 2008, 05:58 PM

This could help out with the Peacock and other stalled projects around the area: http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2008-03-11-fed-credit_N.htm

Skyliner

March 11th, 2008, 06:44 PM

Be sure to take a close look at tomorrow's (March 12) SSC banner! :)

g-man430

March 11th, 2008, 06:47 PM

^^Ummm...where or how did you find out this information? :dunno:

g-man430

March 11th, 2008, 11:54 PM

:banana: :cheer: Easley Town Center started construction last week, BMW announced a major expansion yesterday, and a huge construction trailer is now on the Magnolia Park Town Center site and you guys are still just sitting on your hands. Wait. What g-man? You say construction is getting ready to start on MPTC? Well duh. I said March didn't I? G-man is always right:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/magnoliapark.jpg

Greenville

March 11th, 2008, 11:56 PM

^^ Great news! Looking forward to seeing this one progress (hopefully without delay!).

g-man430

March 11th, 2008, 11:59 PM

^^Yes indeed. They were setting up when I drove by and the Greenville Mall's security truck was parked next to it, so I don't see what else it could be but MPTC. The construction trailer is big too. At least 2-3 times the size of a normal one. I don't see this one getting delayed. Menin is a big company with tons of money. :D Also, the City of Greenville is seriously involved which helps.

Greenville

March 12th, 2008, 12:00 AM

Thanks for the update, g-man. :)

g-man430

March 12th, 2008, 01:34 AM

ARE YOU READY GREENVILLE, SC: http://www.magnoliapark.com/

erm1981

March 12th, 2008, 02:47 AM

When we usually have those really big office trailers its usually for meetings where the superintendents,project managers, architects all come together and so they can all fit in there more easily. Looks like something is about to happen for sure then out there. This is definetly good news considering the scope of this project and the state of the economy in the rest of the country.

g-man430

March 12th, 2008, 05:17 AM

Ok, it's not the official Apple Store, but iplace is supposedly going to move from their Pelham Road location to somewhere in Riverplace.

GvilleSC

March 12th, 2008, 05:29 AM

Ok, it's not the official Apple Store, but iplace is supposedly going to move from their Pelham Road location to somewhere in Riverplace.

What is iPlace exactly?

g-man430

March 12th, 2008, 05:30 AM

^^An Apple Store that is local: http://www.iplacestore.com/

GvilleSC

March 12th, 2008, 05:42 AM

That'd be a great addition if it's true. We can always use more retail.

g-man430

March 12th, 2008, 05:46 AM

^^What about MPTC? :D

Greenville

March 12th, 2008, 05:54 AM

^^What about MPTC? :D

Why would iPlace move to MPTC when the Apple store is going there? :shifty:

g-man430

March 12th, 2008, 05:56 AM

^^Nevermind. I see I confused you once again. :lol: Where is distortedlogic? :rant:

Greenville

March 12th, 2008, 06:07 AM

^^Nevermind. I see I confused you once again. :lol: Where is distortedlogic? :rant:

You didn't confuse me. I just didn't understand why you were suggesting that iPlace go to MPTC when we all know that Apple will be there as well. RiverPlace makes more sense for iPlace.

g-man430

March 12th, 2008, 06:11 AM

^^Nope. I was wondering why GvilleSC didn't comment on MPTC getting ready to start construction. ;) Of course iplace won't go to MPTC. I don't want them too. Downtown would be much better. :)

g-man430

March 12th, 2008, 06:18 AM

Sad we still live in a world of racism: http://www.wyff4.com/video/15567746/index.html :ohno:

Skyliner

March 12th, 2008, 09:44 AM

Be sure to take a close look at tomorrow's (March 12) SSC banner! :)I jumped the gun (forgot the day) and so we'll have to wait until next Monday, March 17. :)

g-man430

March 13th, 2008, 02:35 AM

:cheer:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/003-6.jpg

Skyliner

March 13th, 2008, 02:46 AM

I saw that trailer several days ago. :)

g-man430

March 13th, 2008, 06:47 AM

:drool: You damn right we drool over it: http://www.icsc.org/srch/sct/sct0903/page65.php :lol: :D

g-man430

March 13th, 2008, 09:16 AM

:nuts: And to think West Georgia Road along with the rest of Simpsonville isn't growing fast enough. $50-$75 million high-end mixed use development: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080313/BUSINESS/803130322/1003/BUSINESS

:okay: Good to see redevelopment coming to a shopping center that is pretty much on life support currently: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080313/NEWS01/803130325/1003/BUSINESS

Greenville

March 13th, 2008, 09:19 AM

^^ Did someone stay up for the 2:00 am updates on GreenvilleOnline.com? :lol:

Skyliner

March 13th, 2008, 09:59 AM

^^ Did someone stay up for the 2:00 am updates on GreenvilleOnline.com? :lol:C'mon, we're from Greenville, aka, "the city that never sleeps.":lol:

Skyliner

March 13th, 2008, 10:02 AM

g-man430

March 13th, 2008, 10:12 AM

^^:D It's still going to be nice though.

g-man430

March 14th, 2008, 01:12 AM

The reality is that McChesney could not make the deal work….economy, timing, investors, sellers, etc…local issues or national issues….these things happen…I’m sure we would have all liked to see this move forward but its not as of today…maybe someone will come along and put the pieces together and make it work. Glad to see Magnolia moving forward.

And when I say the economy…its not just the bubble of Greenville….the economy is bigger than Greenville and things outside of Greenville do impact the local economy….

Scott S. Drake
Price & Partners
1900 Emery Street, Suite 210
Atlanta, GA 30318

Greenville

March 14th, 2008, 01:21 AM

g-man430

March 14th, 2008, 01:31 AM

^^I'm actually kind of glad it's dead. Don't get me wrong. It's a very nice project that would of made the I-85 corridor through Greenville that much more appealing, but it could of killed downtown and possibly the gateway project if it got built.

Greenville

March 14th, 2008, 01:33 AM

^^I'm actually kind of glad it's dead. It could of killed downtown and possibly the gateway project.

You think so? I don't know if I agree with you about the Gateway project being affected, but I can certainly see how downtown's retail scene would've taken a potential hit. Rather than national retailers choosing downtown, they could've chosen The Point instead.

Nonetheless, that prime piece of land is ripe for development. Hopefully we'll get something besides a strip mall or apartment complex.

g-man430

March 14th, 2008, 01:35 AM

Greenville

March 14th, 2008, 01:44 AM

^^Kind of. Would you rather have Border's go downtown or to the Point? Would you rather have office space go downtown or to the Point? Would you rather have apartments/condos go downtown or to the Point? Magnolia Park is kind of the same, but it's a lot smaller of a project, so it shouldn't affect downtown as much if at all.

Downtown, for sure. But what about those tenants who would not consider downtown but would consider The Point? Would you rather have them at The Point, or not at all?

I can see it both ways. We don't want to harm downtown, but we also don't want to miss out on an incredible urban-style development in the suburbs. In many ways, I do not view the McChesney development as a direct competitor to downtown. McChesney would never have had a river running through it, or the falls, or a RiverPlace, or a Peace Center, or a Bi-Lo Center.

I fear that a project like McChesney won't come along in quite some time. It's too bad they weren't interested in making their concept work in another area of town (e.g., County Square, Palmetto Expo Center area).

g-man430

March 14th, 2008, 01:46 AM

^^Right when the project was announced, McChesney said they wanted their development to resemble downtown. There have been developments like this in Orlando that have pretty much killed their downtown until just a few years ago. I don't think McChesney had any office tenants lined up to begin with if I recall correctly. They wanted the office component but whether they could of filled it with tenants or not is a different story.

erm1981

March 14th, 2008, 03:36 AM

Im glad its dead...maybe it will encourage more developement downtown.

GvilleSC

March 14th, 2008, 04:46 AM

At the same time though, McChesney's density and location had the potential to truly make transit work in Greenville. That's what I'm most upset about... More urban development anywhere in Greenville makes the transit system potentially that much more viable... :bash:

g-man430

March 14th, 2008, 04:52 AM

^^Unfortunately, it doesn't matter now though. Mass transit will come. It's a matter of when not if.

GvilleSC

March 14th, 2008, 04:57 AM

^^Unfortunately, it doesn't matter now though. Mass transit will come. It's a matter of when not if.

True, but the success of it could depend on such developments (which would have density and people who are capable of reaching their dwelling from the stops and not having to walk a mile down side roads).

g-man430

March 14th, 2008, 04:59 AM

^^Carolina First builds highrise downtown then the Point goes where Carolina First is currently going. Oops.

g-man430

March 16th, 2008, 02:18 AM

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/001-7.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/003-7.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/002-6.jpg

GvilleSC

March 16th, 2008, 02:44 AM

The Fresh Market and adjacent shops look fantastic! This is such an improvement to Pleasantburg and Laurens Road. Thanks for the update pics.

g-man430

March 16th, 2008, 02:51 AM

^^It makes me do this when I see it: :goodnight Where's the big ass shopping centers with the Bass Pro Shops? :D How about them Clemson Tigers? :banana:

g-man430

March 16th, 2008, 03:21 AM

Verdae:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/004-4.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/024-2.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/022-1.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/023-3.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/021-5.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/020-3.jpg

GvilleSC

March 16th, 2008, 04:44 AM

Verdae is looking awesome!

Just down the road, The Preserve at Parkins Mill is also looking good. There's now 16 homes built or under construction in phase one and phase two is now putting in the infrastructure.

erm1981

March 16th, 2008, 05:09 AM

all of these will add to the city population also....lots of new residents....hopefully the city can keep annexing the relatively few small chunks of land left adjacent to it.

g-man430

March 16th, 2008, 05:19 AM

^^When are you going to start building Magnolia Park Town Center?

g-man430

March 16th, 2008, 05:47 AM

edit.

erm1981

March 16th, 2008, 05:53 PM

We dont have anything to do with Magnolia Park towncenter anymore. I think we just were doing some site work. We are all over Carolina First though hehe.

g-man430

March 16th, 2008, 10:23 PM

We dont have anything to do with Magnolia Park towncenter anymore. I think we just were doing some site work. We are all over Carolina First though hehe.

Then why is the Harper Corp sign still on site? Not only that but it says Harper Corp is the general contractor on the website that was just updated last week: http://magnoliapark.com/developmentteam.html Somebody's lying. :lol:

erm1981

March 17th, 2008, 03:29 AM

too be honest im just a worker at harper...

g-man430

March 17th, 2008, 03:31 AM

^^Oh...changing your tune I see. Tune changer. :tongue: :lol:

g-man430

March 17th, 2008, 06:44 AM

We ain't goin nowhere:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/005-5.jpg

g-man430

March 18th, 2008, 01:51 AM

Huntsville can get theirs now where's ours: http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CFPage?storeId=10151&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&appID=34&template=news_display.cfm&newsID=265

g-man430

March 18th, 2008, 05:36 AM

Remember how we were talking about all of those restaurants that have closed along Haywood Road: http://www.wyff4.com/video/15623440/index.html

g-man430

March 18th, 2008, 08:03 AM

Greenville is on the banner. :banana:

Greenville

March 18th, 2008, 08:05 AM

Greenville is on the banner. :banana:

Very nice! :cheers:

P.S. What is the countdown for, g-man?

g-man430

March 18th, 2008, 08:07 AM

^^Greenville Drive. :)

Raleigh-NC

March 18th, 2008, 03:56 PM

I like today's banner :okay: It emphasizes Greenville's strength, which is the street-level and livability (a park along the banks of a river is always a good sign).

g-man430

March 18th, 2008, 09:34 PM

^^:hug:

These two articles remind of the Point project in several ways: http://retailtrafficmag.com/mag/retail_mixeduse_twist_0312/ and http://retailtrafficmag.com/development/construction/vestar_development_marketplace/

g-man430

March 20th, 2008, 09:44 AM

:llama: Magnolia Park Town Center. Please take note of these and other site plan changes:

-Proposed Apple Store increased from 4,000 to 5,100 square feet and now on south side of complex
-More green space to the north of proposed REI
-Rooms To Go confirmed
-More brick/designer pavement on roads
-New entrance to the right of RTG
-Proposed Trader Joes increased from 15,000 to 15,500 square feet
-Proposed Cheesecake Factory increased from 10,000 to 10,300 square feet
-New parking garage just north and east of Rooms To Go. Notice the ramps.

New site plan: http://www.magnoliapark.com/siteplan.html

g-man430

March 20th, 2008, 09:54 AM

Greenville County gained more people between July 2006-July 2007 than any other county in South Carolina. 11,734 person gain: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080320/NEWS01/803200328 :drunk:

g-man430

March 20th, 2008, 10:30 AM

Amount of retail/restaurant not yet built at MPTC on old site plan: 320,300

Amount of retail/restaurant not yet built at MPTC on new site plan: 320,800

It looks better and actually got bigger. :) The square footage listed above does not include Costco, Hollywood 20, Sports Authority, hotel, health club, office, and residential space. The only thing that was taken out between the old site plan and the new one is the office space above the parking garages next to I-385. The office/residential space above the retail still exists.

Skyliner

March 20th, 2008, 10:54 AM

Huntsville can get theirs now where's ours: http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CFPage?storeId=10151&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&appID=34&template=news_display.cfm&newsID=265You'll be glad to know that workers are currently on site putting in the sewage system along a recently cut road through the trees just off of I-85. :)

Skyliner

March 20th, 2008, 11:00 AM

I LOVE the LivNNside Out Sport & Wellness (http://www.livnnsidout.com/) complex! That will certainly be an awesome place to visit. :)

g-man430

March 20th, 2008, 09:57 PM

You'll be glad to know that workers are currently on site putting in the sewage system along a recently cut road through the trees just off of I-85. :)

I actually saw that a few weeks ago and was wondering what was going on. Thanks for the information man. :) Hopefully it's for this project.

g-man430

March 21st, 2008, 08:12 AM

I know you guys are upset about your highrises not getting built, but that is no reason to boycott the forum. :rant: We don't need highrises. We already have a downtown that everybody wants to be at. The last thing I look at or think about when i'm downtown is the highrises. Do you think other cities that try to copy our downtown because it was so successful give a crap about the highrises? No. You know why? Because that isn't what makes a downtown or a city. I do like highrises, but it's not the end of the world if they don't get built. And don't give me the bullcrap excuse "i'm too busy to post g-man." You weren't too busy to post a year ago, so there is no reason why you should be too busy now. Good? Good. :) Remember these words: "I WAS BLOWN AWAY" :D

g-man430

March 21st, 2008, 09:08 PM

:lol: Oh yeah well you didn't take update pics of this gsupstate:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/028-2.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/025-3.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/027-2.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/026-3.jpg

g-man430

March 21st, 2008, 09:18 PM

edit.

erm1981

March 22nd, 2008, 12:53 AM

Great pics G-man. thanks for going out and taking them.

apaladin

March 22nd, 2008, 07:21 AM

G-Man, Any idea what the round structure in the middle of the 2 buildings is or gonna be?

g-man430

March 22nd, 2008, 07:22 AM

^^Conference center. Well, so much for that Clemson basketball team. I knew it sounded too good to be true. :goodnight

g-man430

March 22nd, 2008, 07:48 AM

I'm going to go cry now. Clemson played with no heart or aggression during the second half. Truly pathetic. Biggest collapse this year no doubt. :bash: :ohno: :cry:

Beware

March 22nd, 2008, 07:58 AM

http://www.attitudehoops.com/images/masthead_evil_ball_01_sb.jpg
(image from www.attitudehoops.com)

THAT'S RIGHT, I DID IT AND I'M NOT SORRY ABOUT IT! - the EVIL Basketball

g-man430

March 22nd, 2008, 07:59 AM

^^I want my money back. :rant: :hug:

Beware

March 22nd, 2008, 08:03 AM

^^I want my money back. :rant: :hug:

:D " Good Luck with THAT! "

erm1981

March 22nd, 2008, 10:36 PM

They sucked ass last night

apaladin

March 23rd, 2008, 02:16 AM

They sucked ass last night

Kinda funny how Clemson throws more money at their coaches for a little success and then they go out and lose the next and biggest game of the year.:dunno:

g-man430

March 23rd, 2008, 02:18 AM

^^I still think somebody put something in their gatorade during halftime. :lol:

bigwilley

March 23rd, 2008, 02:24 AM

G-man do you need a hug cuz clemson lost?

g-man430

March 23rd, 2008, 02:33 AM

^^Yes. :hug: Where's the penguin? :rant: :cry: :pet: :bash: :ohno:

Greenville

March 23rd, 2008, 05:16 AM

The Carolina First headquarters is coming along nicely. How will the parking be? Will there be parking buildings, surface lots, or both? I assume they will need a lot of parking for such a large campus with multiple buildings.

g-man430

March 23rd, 2008, 05:17 AM

^^Lots of course. They're too lazy and cheap to put in garages. If they weren't this then they wouldn't have built a sprawling campus in the first place and would of actually kept their headquarters downtown with a new building there.

Greenville

March 23rd, 2008, 05:26 AM

^^ Thanks. I was afraid of that.

g-man430

March 23rd, 2008, 05:28 AM

^^I'm not sure about the whole complex but I noticed they started putting lots in next to one of the buildings a few days ago. :( Thank god Menin wasn't this stupid. They're putting in three parking garages and very few surface parking spots at Magnolia Park. :) I wonder if California Kitchen could be coming to MPTC? That sure would be a nice restaurant to get along with Cheesecake Factory.

Greenville

March 23rd, 2008, 05:36 AM

g-man430

March 23rd, 2008, 05:40 AM

^^Yes indeed. :yes:

g-man430

March 23rd, 2008, 05:45 AM

Your wish is my command. Email from me to Holder Properties and vice-versa:

Jacob Sharp to John
show details 2:08 AM (20 hours ago) Reply
You better read this article: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080322/BUSINESS/803220307/1003 We need an office highrise built downtown. Class A office space is running out. What better company to do it than Holder.

Holder, John to me
show details 8:55 AM (13 hours ago) Reply
Jacob, Thanks for the article. We’ll take a harder look at Greenville now! John

krazeeboi

March 23rd, 2008, 06:06 AM

Way to be proactive, g-man. Hopefully Holder can show the local developers how it's supposed to be done. ;)

GvilleSC

March 23rd, 2008, 06:36 AM

G-man, if Holder comes out with a tower (which gets built) in Greenville, I'll treat you to a meal at the downtown Waffle House. :cheers:

(as long as the tower is downtown. the article mostly discusses suburban office space)

Greenville

March 23rd, 2008, 06:54 AM

Skyliner

March 23rd, 2008, 08:28 PM

krazeeboi

March 23rd, 2008, 10:54 PM

Just don't let them build a glass box like the one planned in Columbia. That won't do for me. I prefer to see only true signature highrises from here on out, since we don't have them built very often anymore. Building highrises for the sake of having more highrises will not do in Greenville.

I don't think g-man can control what they decide to build, if they build...LOL. And the final rendering has yet to be released for the tower in Columbia. Even then, it has elegant simplicity on its side, much like many of the other all-glass towers being built across the nation (many of them LEED-certified and going for LEED certification--another plus). What is even more important is what the tower does at street level, which is where the Tower at Main and Gervais will excel--much more than the First Citizens building, even though the latter might have a more interesting design. I would think that you would much prefer something like the Tower at Main and Gervais instead of the First Citizens building in Greenville, based on how they engage the pedestrian.

Also, every tower from here on out can't be a signature highrise. Every tower can't try to jump out and make a statement architecturally. There has to be enough of a backdrop of "regular" towers so that the true signature highrises can take their place in the skyline. Trust me, a tower that's a variation of a glass box would do wonders for Greenville's skyline. If you've ever seen 1180 Peachtree in Midtown Atlanta in person, you know the diversity such a tower can add at both the street level and in the skyline--and the only non-boxy feature it really has is the lighted "fins" at the top.

If a tower comes out of this (which I truly hope does), it will not be for the sake of just having one. It will be because it fills a need, just like the ones being built everywhere else do. Particularly in this time of economic uncertainty, developers can't be building towers just for aesthetic purposes.

g-man430

March 24th, 2008, 12:04 AM

^^I agree along with buying g-man a meal at Waffle House. :eat:

-I'm not seeing Z Gallerie coming to Magnolia Park. The reason I say that is because they only operate stores of 10,000 square feet. None bigger or smaller than that. I don't see any 10,000 square foot retail spaces listed on the new site plan. :( Did you notice that one of the spaces is now for a coffee shop? I wonder who that could be? We don't need anymore Starbuck's. :rant: I knew it. This place is going to be terrible when it opens. It will be full of overall wearing beer drinking tobacco chewing bango playing redneck hillbillies. So much for upper-end retail. :cry: They also took the office space out that was located above the two parking garages. Why would they do that if there is a shortage of Class A office space in Greenville currently? Also, where is the 375-room hotel they promised? :dunno: And to think gsupstate has the nerve to say they didn't scale back. :ohno: They might as well just cancel the whole thing and stick an IKEA on site instead. :D I can't wait to see what Woodruff Road looks like in 2010 in terms of traffic. :eek:

g-man430

March 24th, 2008, 12:15 AM

I can see it now: A developer buys a huge 500-acre parcel of land in Cowpens, SC anchored by a Wal-Mart Supercenter on each end. The "town center" portion will be the parcels in-between and will consist of the following:

-Sally Beauty Supply
-Dollar Tree
-Great Clips
-Ultra Tan
-Super Nails
-Mail Boxes Etc.
-Tractor Supply
-Feed & Seed

Those are just some of the special attractions to this wonderful development. Since it will be one of the largest retail developments anywhere, it will obviously have some themed features including:

-NASCAR store
-Museum dedicated to the history of Wal-Mart (many of the holdings will come from Bentonville, AR where it all started)
-Bass Pro Shops

There will also be an "ethnic" wing of the town center with a Chinese restaurant, pizza place, and french fry stand. The "promenade" connecting the town center's main thoroughfare will consist of art and relics from cultured cities like Paris, KY, Florence, SC, Rome, GA, and a very special surprise from Venice, CA.

Country music will be piped in at all times, of course. Saturday mornings and afternoons will feature folk and bluegrass music as well. There will also be a huge microbrewery with some of the finest beers brewed on-site, including Busch Light, Pabst Blue Ribbon, and Natural Light. No bottles will be available - just cans.

There will also be an RV lot and campground. They will leave an undeveloped portion that could potentially go "upscale" in the form of a Motel 6.

The policy for the entire experience is "No Shirt? No shoes? No problem!"

This is pretty much what Magnolia Park will be like when complete. :lol: :cry:

Greenville

March 24th, 2008, 04:49 AM

g-man430

March 24th, 2008, 04:53 AM

^^Why am I down all the sudden about it? Let's see. They took out half of the office space, 375-room hotel is gone, Z Gallerie is no longer coming by looking at the site plan, the parking lot in front of Hollywood 20 will still be a parking lot, and a coffee shop has been added that is most likely Starbuck's. Oh goody. So much for high-end. :( If Gulfside was still the developer, this complex would of been completed by now and I could eat at the Cheesecake Factory and shop at the Apple Store, but no I have to wait until fall 2009. :nuts: I don't care if the stores are new to the state or not. I just want high-end ones that you don't see every two miles. This is all Bush's fault. :rant: I feel like an idiot now. :hammer: :lol:

apaladin

March 24th, 2008, 05:15 AM

g-man430

March 24th, 2008, 05:20 AM

^^Yes, because they actually have the money to build it. It still won't be that great though when completed IMO. Everytime they update the site plan, an aspect of the project gets scaled back. First, it was the parking lot in front of Hollywood 20 then it was the 375-room hotel and now it's the office space above the two parking garages next to the interstate. Pretty soon there will be nothing left. :nuts:

g-man430

March 24th, 2008, 06:52 AM

My wish list for Magnolia Park. 95% of these I don't shop at and never will but would still like to see them in the area. However, I will eat at every single restaurant that comes here. :eat: Being realistic here and not mentioning things Greenville has no chance of getting like Nordstrom:

Apple
Cheesecake Factory
Sur La Table
Biaggis
California Pizza Kitchen
Camille's Sidewalk Cafe
Restoration Hardware
Bravo! Cucina Italiana
Chipotle
Ben & Jerry's
IKEA-Just kidding :D
Maggianos
Z Gallerie
Tumi
Urban Outfitters
Anthropologie
Smith and Hawken
REI
Trader Joes
Lucky Brand

I wonder how many of those listed above are coming? ;) :| As gsupstate told me last month, "you will be shocked when you hear what tenants will be coming here." I'm still upset about the Starbucks though. :rant: The only reason they stuck it there is because the office workers will need their fixing in the morning.

Cosmoboy

March 24th, 2008, 06:59 AM

This is all Bush's fault. :rant:

Just playing devil's advocate here, but you can thank the mortgage companies for lending to people who didn't need to own a home in the first place.

You think all those stores will come to Greenville?

g-man430

March 24th, 2008, 07:02 AM

^^Ask gsupstate. He's involved with the project and said they're coming. Some of them were listed on the old site plan as well. If they don't then you know who to blame. :D I think all of them have a good chance except for maybe Restoration Hardware. A few of them have already been confirmed such as Apple, Cheesecake Factory, Trader Joes, and REI. Also, I agree with you about the mortgage companies. Same goes with the banks. They shouldn't have given people loans who couldn't afford to pay it back in the first place.

Skyliner

March 24th, 2008, 11:12 AM

No unimaginative glass boxes! Perhaps stricter design guidelines downtown would enable better planning by our future developers of highrises. At this point I am not too worried, but any more Peacock-style buildings (or worse) will certainly make me nervous.

krazeeboi

March 24th, 2008, 09:20 PM

^Architecture is definitely a subjective thing, but I honestly can't think of a contemporary all-glass tower that I've not been impressed with in one way or another. Lack of imagination extends beyond architecture. Many such towers are LEED-certified (and I think the relatively simplistic design and materials lend themselves easier to certification, if I'm not mistaken) and include atriums (atria?) with live trees, etc. And of course, you've got to look at what happens at the street level. 1180 Peachtree in midtown Atlanta, for example, is practically 100% transparent at the ground level and has live bamboo growing in the lobby; it is the coolest thing to walk or drive by. I think some things more than make up for a lack of groundbreaking architecture.

And I hope you're referring to the reincarnation of the Peacock, because the original design was quite nice and I looked forward to seeing the finished product live and in person.

GvilleSC

March 25th, 2008, 01:38 AM

apaladin

March 25th, 2008, 02:41 AM

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 03:10 AM

^^No we don't. Clemson has one but Greenville doesn't. Maybe you're getting it confused with Marble Slab. :dunno: Add DSW shoes to the Magnolia Park tenant list. ;)

krazeeboi

March 25th, 2008, 03:47 AM

Is that the building in ATL with the two 'fins' at the top? I LOVE that building. I'd love to see an all glass tower (with an imaginative top) along the river. It'd be awesome to see all that light reflecting in the water at night...

Yep, that's the one. I've rode by it several times and walked along the sidewalk adjacent to it at least once, and it's an awesome building--and it's really nothing more than a variation on a box, similar to the one proposed for Columbia. The way it seems to work is that it's much easier to get away from the boxy shape when you get to a certain height (e.g., Freedom Tower in NYC). If an all-glass tower were to get built in Greenville, it would more than likely be a version of a box--which would do wonders for the skyline and the street level. They make an even bigger visual impact at night.

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 03:48 AM

^^Oh yeah. I'm sure we'll get one built here. :nuts: And pigs will fly. Gsupstate is not telling the truth about Magnolia Park either.

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 06:20 AM

GvilleSC

March 25th, 2008, 07:33 AM

Are you serious about the Gateway site renderings? I'm not sure, but I sure hope you're right!

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 05:38 PM

Are you serious about the Gateway site renderings? I'm not sure, but I sure hope you're right!

I had a dream that they would be released this Thursday. :lol: I hope my dream is right. :) Doubt it though. :(

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 06:43 PM

Smock noted that the new budget lists $4.3 million in unfunded Hudson Street work, and that the whole road is in "horrible shape."

Honey, a lot of roads in downtown are in horrible shape. :lol: Spring Street especially. :nuts: Link to article: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080324/NEWS01/80324020

Groundbreaking for Patrick Square in Clemson: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080325/NEWS01/80325010

Greenville

March 25th, 2008, 07:17 PM

Just a few observations:

-I see you guys on urbanplanet are bitching at each other again about which city is bigger and better than the other. :weird: Who gives a crap which one is? I'm perfectly happy where i'm living now and that's not going to change because some people like to skew facts with their own stupid opinions.

When did you become happy living where you are?!? Only a few weeks ago you were telling us how much Greenville sucked, nothing good was happening, Charlotte and Atlanta and even Omaha are much better, etc. :lol:

-Gateway site renderings will be released on Thursday.

That's great! I'm really looking forward to seeing those (who isn't, right?). :)

-Here's a good question. Why did they tear down a perfectly good high-end mall on Woodruff Road to build a even smaller upper-end mall on the exact same spot? :nuts:

Because Greenville Mall wasn't a perfectly good high-end mall. For that mall to be successful, it would have needed several huge retail anchors. Greenville isn't in need of anymore large retail anchors like department stores. Plus, indoor malls are not nearly as in demand as lifestyle/town centers are. Magnolia Park will be great, because it will be outside and more pedestrian friendly while not relying on department store anchors. Notice the "anchors" at Magnolia Park are much smaller than a department store. It will still have larger stores to draw people in (REI, Sports Authority, movie theater, Trader Joe's) but also allow for the higher-end stores to fill in the gaps. The tenants that will be part of Magnolia Park (many of which will be firsts in SC) would never have located in an indoor mall (and certainly not Greenville Mall).

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 07:21 PM

^^You know me. I change my opinion every two seconds. I hate it here then I love it here then hate it then love it and so on. :D I was kidding about the gateway site renderings. :lol: It was a dream. Yes, Magnolia Park being outside will be so great especially in the winter or during a thunderstorm. :bash: :hug: Actually, most of the high-end tenants would of located in an indoor mall. Just look at SouthPark in Charlotte for an example of that. I'm just upset because they keep scaling back everytime a new site plan comes out. It will still be nice though. :)

Greenville

March 25th, 2008, 07:24 PM

I had a dream that they would be released this Thursday. :lol: I hope my dream is right. :) Doubt it though. :(

What's your problem, guy? Don't say in one post that Gateway site renderings will be released on Thursday, then tell us later that you were making it up. The fact that you enjoy doing that sort of thing is concerning.

P.S. It is still quite amusing that you tell people to boycott the Shops at Greenridge and Magnolia Park Town Center in the name of supporting local downtown retailers, yet you will be the first person in line to visit Bass Pro Shops. :ohno:

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 07:29 PM

^^I had to lie. You guys weren't posting anymore. Seems to have worked. :banana: I apologize. :pet: I won't be the first line at Bass Pro Shops. I'll be the second. :nocrook: I never said don't support national retailers. I just said don't support MPTC and Shops at Greenridge. You don't see me saying don't support Haywood Mall.

Greenville

March 25th, 2008, 07:35 PM

^^ Whatever.

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 09:17 PM

^^ Whatever.

The reason I put local in my signature is because almost all of the retailers/restaurants downtown are local. The reason I said boycott the Shops at Greenridge is because it has caused a traffic mess on Woodruff Road, only has one entrance/exit to Woodruff Road, isn't very walkable, and that first intersection going into the shopping center doesn't have a traffic light which causes numerous car accidents. You wouldn't believe how many times I see people pull out in front of cars there. :nuts: The developers are too greedy to even put in a traffic light that would be timed with the Woodruff Road one to solve this problem. The reason I said boycott Magnolia Park Town Center is because everytime a new site plan comes out, the plans get more scaled back. I loved it when they showed the parking lot in front of Hollywood 20 getting built up, but that is now gone and it really upset me. I also don't like the fact that they took out the 375-room hotel along with the office space above the two parking garages next to I-385. I also don't like the fact that some people involved with the project keep saying nothing has been scaled back when I proved them wrong. I'm not saying don't support national retailers/restaurants. I'm simply saying support downtown and other establishments like Haywood Mall that don't cause as many traffic problems and aren't as sprawled out like the Shops at Greenridge. Magnolia Park Town Center will be nice but it's a lot smaller than I wanted and it will cause even more traffic problems on an already snarled traffic road. Regarding the gateway site, I had a dream that the renderings would be released this Thursday. I thought dreams were supposed to come true. :dunno:

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 11:06 PM

My dream consisted of a 27-story highrise that was designed similiar to the Vue in Charlotte with a revolving restaurant at the top. Also, at the top there were four spires. One on each corner of the building. The other highrise on site was 15 stories tall and was similiar in design to the Vue also but didn't have a revolving restaurant and only one spire at the top. They both looked totally badass. I dreamed I was at the revolving restaurant and was looking down on the surrounding skyline and pointing to how I was higher up then the tallest point on the landmark building. :hug: God, I hope my dream comes true. Somebody slap me. :D

Raleigh-NC

March 25th, 2008, 11:28 PM

I'll be more than happy to slap you!!!

1FRW19sPfS4

Are you awake now? :lol:

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 11:28 PM

^^Mommy, he's being mean to me. :cry: Bob is coming. :shifty: :D

-I saw a Google streetview car driving north on Highway 153 in Powdersville between the Southern Connector and I-85 yesterday. :) It had the camera thing on top. Too bad I didn't have my camera with me. :( Also, I never realized until now that Hilton Head has a Saks Fifth Avenue. :uh: Why can't we get one if they can? Hilton Head doesn't get that many tourists and rich people. Well, ok maybe they do but I doubt they have more rich people than Greenville. Better yet how come Charlotte doesn't have one but Raleigh does? Out of all the cities in the world they choose where Tux lives. :rant:

erm1981

March 25th, 2008, 11:39 PM

Belton probably has more rich people that greenville does.

g-man430

March 25th, 2008, 11:49 PM

^^What about the Cliffs? :eek: Add Morton's and Bob Ellis shoes to my MPTC wishlist. You know I couldn't resist that last one. We all know who will be first in line when it opens if that store comes. :D I also want Haagen-Dazs but I doubt that's coming unless Ben and Jerry's backed out.

-Fluor Field sign went up earlier today at the Greenville Drive ballpark: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=BS&Dato=20080325&Kategori=YOURUPSTATE&Lopenr=325004&Ref=PH

Greenville

March 26th, 2008, 12:16 AM

Just so you know, g-man, we already have a Ben & Jerry's in Greenville. It's on Woodruff Road.

g-man430

March 26th, 2008, 12:26 AM

^^No we don't. Why does everybody keep thinking we do? :weird: Go here and look if you don't believe me: http://www.benjerry.com/scoop_shops/ There is a Marble Slab Creamery, Spill the Beans, and Hershey's Ice Cream on Woodruff Road. There has never been and still isn't today a Ben and Jerry's in Greenville. The closest location is Clemson. There is an ice cream shop labeled on the new MPTC site plan. It will either be Maggie Moo's or Ben and Jerry's because they were both listed on the old site plan.

g-man430

March 26th, 2008, 01:50 AM

CU-ICAR partners with AT&T:
http://www.clemson.edu/newsroom/articles/2008/march/ATT_CU-ICAR.php5 and http://www.clemson.edu/newsroom/special_reports/press_kits/2008/ATT_fact_sheet.php5

CU-ICAR partners with Mazda:
http://www.clemson.edu/newsroom/articles/2008/march/mazda.php5

krazeeboi

March 26th, 2008, 03:04 AM

Well, ok maybe they do but I doubt they have more rich people than Greenville.

Ummm, yes they do. Beaufort County has one of the highest millionaire per capita rates in the country.

g-man430

March 26th, 2008, 03:31 AM

^^Maybe you're right, but I want proof. Anybody know where I could find a stat to see who has the most? :dunno:

Greenville

March 26th, 2008, 03:57 AM

^^Maybe you're right, but I want proof. Anybody know where I could find a stat to see who has the most? :dunno:

There isn't more total money in Hilton Head than in Greenville, but on a per capita basis Hilton Head is one of the wealthiest places in the country. Home prices are very high. Think vacation homes for wealthy people, or retired people with money.

The people who live there and tend to vacation there have money to spend. Thus, you see stores like Saks Fifth Avenue. That is also why Charleston has one. If not for the tourism component, neither place would probably have one since the population alone isn't large enough to support it.

g-man430

March 26th, 2008, 03:59 AM

^^Good points. I'm still shocked Charlotte doesn't have one when their city's population is higher than Raleigh. Maybe they'll put a Saks Fifth Avenue or other high-end national retailers at the Village at Mountain Park at the Cliffs. Yeah, like that will happen. :lol:

g-man430

March 26th, 2008, 06:06 AM

g-man430

March 26th, 2008, 07:45 AM

:D :lol: If the middle of nowhere can get a Prada store then there is no reason why Greenville can't: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nkerns/2226752810/

g-man430

March 26th, 2008, 08:36 AM

I can't wait to see the look on Krazeeboi's face: http://www.magnoliapark.com/demographics.html Take special note of the MSA and county population. :lol:

GvilleSC

March 26th, 2008, 04:32 PM

:D :lol: If the middle of nowhere can get a Prada store then there is no reason why Greenville can't: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nkerns/2226752810/

That's hilarious that you found this. My architecture professors (from Clemson) came up with the idea and designed this store as a piece of art. Funny thing is, the day after they installed all the Prada stuff, it was broken into and everything was stolen.

Greenville

March 26th, 2008, 06:27 PM

:bash: :ohno: How dare anybody make fun of Ethan. He is really cool and I talked to him a lot when the Grrrowl were still here: http://www.wyff4.com/news/15705309/detail.html The lady who did this should have to apologize to him face to face.

Glad to know that "midget" is a derogatory term. I never knew that "little people" was the correct terminology. :shocked:

g-man430

March 26th, 2008, 10:34 PM

^^Me neither. I would never use the term midget though as I think it's offensive. :)

-What do you guys think about Easley being able to support a large national bookstore chain like Barnes & Noble? I would like to see that or Border's come to Easley Town Center. Unfortunately I don't see that happening due to the demographics not being large enough. I hate driving all the way over to Woodruff Road though to get my fixing. :rant: If Border's comes downtown then it won't be as big of a deal. Also, Shoe Carnival has signed a lease for a 8,500 sf store at Easley Town Center.

-Starbuck's is coming to Easley. Well, at least I hope one is: http://www.croxtongray.com/listings/wp-content/uploads/easley-development.pdf You can obviously tell the retailer underneath the word "under" has the makings of a Starbuck's.

-Midtown Park in Anderson:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/aerial2.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/aerial1.jpg

krazeeboi

March 26th, 2008, 10:59 PM

I can't wait to see the look on Krazeeboi's face: http://www.magnoliapark.com/demographics.html Take special note of the MSA and county population. :lol:

The first 1.2 million figure is correct (even though the MSA thing is a small technical error), but I don't know where the second 1.3 million figure comes from. They may be including another Upstate county or two.

erm1981

March 26th, 2008, 11:47 PM

well they also put 456,000 for the county population which i thought was 428,000.....oh well.

g-man430

March 26th, 2008, 11:49 PM

^^It probably is 456,000 with all of the illegal immigrants. :lol:

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 01:40 AM

:| So, South Carolina isn't getting a VW plant and the Pinnacle on Main is getting built: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/26/u-s-volkswagen-plant-to-source-80-of-parts-locally/ Post this in the Anderson thread on urbanplanet Krazeeboi seeing how the last link you posted on there was against the area getting a plant. ;)

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 01:47 AM

Post this link on there too Krazeeboi: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080326/BUSINESS/803260687 :D

Trade publications have depicted South Carolina as the frontrunner among states seeking to land a VW plant.

South Carolina "could have a lock on it," Hindman said. "Still, we are leaving no stone unturned."

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 02:39 AM

I've only seen two smartcars in real life and both were downtown. Here's one I saw that I took a pic of with my cell phone:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/000001.jpg

apaladin

March 27th, 2008, 03:28 AM

Greenville

March 27th, 2008, 04:02 AM

There was a Ben&Jerrys on Augusta St. next to Augusta St. Grille. I guess it closed.

THAT's where it was. I knew I had seen one in Greenville before, and when I Googled it yesterday the first result was Ben & Jerry's at 200 Woodruff Road. It turns out that is some sort of distribution center for them rather than a scoop shop. At any rate, I hate to hear that the scoop shop on Augusta closed. I do not think that is the best location for them. Honestly, Magnolia Park will be great. It would also do great downtown business, but I am kind of glad it didn't go there because Marble Slab and Spill the Beans both have loyal followings.

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 04:11 AM

^^I didn't know there used to be one on Augusta Road. Sucks it closed. :(

apaladin

March 27th, 2008, 05:29 AM

G-Man, Why don't you go to the Barnes and Noble on Haywood instead of Woodruff? Since all the restaurants closed on Haywood, it isn't crowded anymore. :lol:

Skyliner

March 27th, 2008, 08:06 AM

...It would also do great downtown business, but I am kind of glad it didn't go there because Marble Slab and Spill the Beans both have loyal followings.I haven't been to either of those places much since Luna Rosa (http://www.lunarosagelato.com/) opened on West Washington Street. I have become a HUGE fan of gelato because of this great small café. They also serve delicious salads, panini sandwiches, pizza, and more.:)

Skyliner

March 27th, 2008, 08:17 AM

:D :lol: If the middle of nowhere can get a Prada store then there is no reason why Greenville can't: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nkerns/2226752810/What do you think the Talloni shoe salon at RiverPlace sells?

Skyliner

March 27th, 2008, 08:23 AM

^^No we don't. Why does everybody keep thinking we do? :weird: ... There has never been and still isn't today a Ben and Jerry's in Greenville. The closest location is Clemson.Hmmm... shows how much you don't know, g-man. B&J's has been in Greenville for quite a while now. Is it really that important to you? Obviously not, since you didn't look very hard.:nuts: Besides, you can buy their ice cream in every local supermarket.

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 04:14 PM

Hmmm... shows how much you don't know, g-man. B&J's has been in Greenville for quite a while now. Is it really that important to you? Obviously not, since you didn't look very hard.:nuts: Besides, you can buy their ice cream in every local supermarket.

:ohno: :rant: If one more person says there is a Ben and Jerry's scoop shop in Greenville, I will steal Raleigh-NC's penguin. Check the B&J's website people. They do sell their products at grocery stores, but there is no actual Ben and Jerry's ice cream shop in Greenville. :nuts:

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 04:18 PM

G-Man, Why don't you go to the Barnes and Noble on Haywood instead of Woodruff? Since all the restaurants closed on Haywood, it isn't crowded anymore. :lol:

Because the one on Woodruff Road is closer to where I live.

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 04:19 PM

What do you think the Talloni shoe salon at RiverPlace sells?

Ummm...shoes. :D

Raleigh-NC

March 27th, 2008, 04:32 PM

g-man, you are clueless, as Skyline so nicely demonstrated!!! You can take your Smart Car and keep it. You can't beat the brand new Dodge Challenger :lol:

http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/dodge-challenger-concept-5302.jpg

It is that "Smart Car" mentality the reason why you don't see new skyscrapers proposed for Greenville, SC. G-man and Bob Ellis are a menace to society and must be removed from Greenville - just don't send them to North Carolina, please. You gotta think big!!! And like everything great, it comes at a cost (gasoline prices, in this case), but what the Hell!!! We have one life to live :cheers:

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 04:33 PM

^^But who will take update pics if i'm removed from Greenville? :D Also, all i'm seeing is a red X where the pic is supposed to be. :lol:

Raleigh-NC

March 27th, 2008, 06:25 PM

Your stinking computer sucks... just go here: http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/dodge-challenger-concept-5302.jpg. If you still cannot see it, Google for Dodge Challenger in the Images search engine. You have a good point about the update photos, so you may stay in Greenville, but no more pessimism and talk about Smart Car, please. There is nothing like a good, ol' American muscle car :cheers:

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 06:28 PM

Greenville

March 27th, 2008, 07:49 PM

It says pic is blocked because of "adult content." :lol: Fine, we'll talk about the Toyota Prius instead. :D

Can you not get around parental controls on your computer, g-man? :lol:

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 08:13 PM

Can you not get around parental controls on your computer, g-man? :lol:

I'm on a public computer. :bash: :cry: I feel like Bob Ellis. :ohno:

Raleigh-NC

March 27th, 2008, 08:20 PM

It says pic is blocked because of "adult content." :lol:
Sorry, I forgot that a Dodge Challenger will be a car for adults, not kids... Sorry g-man, you will have to wait another 20 years :rofl:

g-man430

March 27th, 2008, 08:59 PM

^^Free Dr. Pepper. :nocrook: Check my signature for more information.

Greenville

March 27th, 2008, 09:54 PM

^^Free Dr. Pepper. :nocrook: Check my signature for more information.

If I didn't know better, I would think that Dr. Pepper was desperate for some publicity. :lol:

g-man430

March 28th, 2008, 02:52 AM

:righton: :rock: :cheer: :cheers: :drunk: :banana: :pepper: :cucumber: :carrot: :dj: Listen to the money talk. Get off your asses, quit complaining, and go take some update pics.

April 4th. :D Greenville is "off the chain": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iavsol7eaZM

Pics taken earlier today:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/n507928107_495892_4553.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/000002.jpg

g-man430

March 28th, 2008, 03:10 AM

3, 2, 1...we have ignition. :uh:

03/14/08 http://www.rebusinessonline.com/article_archive/03-14-08.shtml

WOODRUFF POINT
Greenville, S.C.

A $600 million, 75-acre, mixed-use development is getting organized on the site of the former Hoechst Celanese fiber plant in Greenville. GreenbergFarrow, an Atlanta-based architecture, planning and development consulting firm, is handling the planning and design of the town center and is working with McChesney Investment Advisors on this ambitious project.

Woodruff Point will feature 500,000 square feet of retail, 600,000 square feet of office space, a 420-room hotel, restaurant space, 1,225 condominiums and 1,125 apartments. Walkways, bike trails and recreational green spaces will be incorporated.

“This is one of the largest brownfield redevelopment projects in the country that will transform a 2 million-square-foot factory, on a site that has become a virtual wasteland, into a vibrant urban center,” said John Clifford, principal of planning at GreenbergFarrow.

“Taking on a redevelopment project of this scale is no small task and we eagerly accept the challenge. The initial stages of site development will play an essential role in ensuring its long-term success.” he said.

Shay Eskew, director of development at McChesney Investment Advisors, said getting the project approved for things like zoning and road structure has required perseverance.

“It was a pretty extensive start. The main road, Carolina Point Parkway, had been designed based on the previous (industrial) zoning and we met with the city and neighboring property owner to explain to them our vision for the (mixed-use) property. They were agreeable along with our sellers to do a land swap to put in a new road design. It was something that took three land owners to make happen,” Eskew explained.

“The plant was operational in the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s and was part of a larger assemblage that was once over 200 acres,” Eskew said.

“Getting into a true brownfield requires a lot of extensive testing to really understand what all the potential issues might be,” Eskew concluded.

The first phase will be the demolition of the factory, which is expected to begin early this year, with the entire project scheduled to roll out within a decade.