Sorry, I've been very busy lately with school and work. I have lurked a few times, just haven't had much time to post. Plus, there haven't been a lot of new developments to talk about.

^^Oh please. There's plenty to talk about. And does everything have to be about development?

^^Oh please. There's plenty to talk about. And does everything have to be about development?

Yes, considering the fact that this is the "Greenville, SC Development News" thread on a site dedicated to urban and economic developments. :lol:

Yes, considering the fact that this is the "Greenville, SC Development News" thread on a site dedicated to urban and economic developments. :lol:

So, we can't talk about things such as mass transit, sports, etc.?

^^ Wow, so it sounds like the McChesney project is back on the table. My only concern is that the information used for the article could be old information, especially considering the bad news we heard about this project a couple of weeks ago.

FINGERS CROSSED! We need this project to come through.

^^Toes too. :lol:

I'm afraid that Woodruff Point article is based on old info. I hope not.

I noticed that all of the trees planted at Highway 123/White Horse Road seem to have died: http://www.treesgreenville.org/plantings.html :( Hopefully they're under warranty and get replaced.

http://www.southeastrebusiness.com/articles/MAR08/cover1.html

GREENVILLE, S.C.

Greenville’s retail market is expected to continue on the upswing as its stabilized housing market attracts residents, thus enticing developers to move forward with plans to build new retail centers. “Housing will continue to be priced realistically because the city has not seen the rampant speculation many other markets have experienced,” says Brian Reed, a research manager at Greenville-based Grubb & Ellis | The Furman Co. “Also, the growing Greenville MSA, which recently eclipsed 1 million, will pique the interests of national and high-end retailers.” Last year, the city experienced more than $1 billion in retail sales. “Greenville is not one of the markets where you are going to see extreme highs and lows,” says Paul Aiesi, chief investment officer of Greenville-based TIC Properties. “It’s a stick market. A lot of [national] markets have seen 5 or 6 percent growth. We’ve seen 2 or 3 percent.”

New to downtown Greenville, McBee Station is a 14-acre urban mixed-use development featuring 80,000 square feet of retail and residences. The project, which opened in the second quarter of last year, created an opportunity to lease high-end space on Main Street in Greenville’s central business district and reintroduced national retailers to the downtown area. McBee Station’s tenants include Publix, Staples, Urban Nirvana Spa & Salon and Great Clips.

Also in the downtown area, TIC Properties is planning a mixed-use development on 2 acres at the intersection of Main and Washington streets. “This project is on the last major site on Main Street in downtown Greenville,” says Aiesi. “It’s known as the ‘Main on Main.’ We have successfully assembled a property that is the best location in the city to build a first class mixed-use project.” Currently in the preliminary planning phase, the project is projected to deliver in the fourth quarter of 2010.

Royal Palm Beach-based Menin Development acquired the Greenville Mall on Woodruff Rd., which had fallen out of favor due to consumer disinterest. A mixed-use lifestyle center, Magnolia Park Town Center, has been proposed in its place, which will include elements of retail, office and high-density residential development. The property’s tenants include Costco, Sports Authority, Old Navy and a Regal Cinemas theatre.

In nearby Spartanburg, The Avenue Easton Market Center is being developed by Centennial American Properties near Hillcrest Mall. Construction is expected to start this year on 500,000 square feet of retail space, in addition to 308 apartments and 140 single-family homes. The project is expected to open in the second half of 2009.

West of Greenville, a joint venture by Easley Commons Retail Associates and Commercial Development Associates will build Easley Town Center, a 125-acre development in the northeast quadrant intersection of Calhoun Memorial Highway and Prince Perry Road in Easley. The project will feature more than 500,000 square feet of retail, inclusive of two unnamed anchors measuring 200,000 and 70,000 square feet, respectively. Two additional phases are being planned for future development. The project is located on the former site of the Saco Lowell Plant, and involves a public-private partnership that will bring approximately $14 million in improvements to the infrastructure of corridors surrounding the project. Construction is slated to begin in early March and deliver in the second quarter of 2009.

Along Clemson Blvd. in Anderson, Realtylink is planning Midtowne Park, a 175,000-square-foot center that began construction in February and is expected to complete in the fall. Signed tenants include a 90,000-square-foot Kohl’s, Staples and a 50,000-square-foot sporting goods store.

Greenville also welcomed Costco to the area, with two new 150,000-square-foot stores on Woodruff Rd. in Greenville and the Westgate area of Spartanburg. Bi-Lo completed several renovations and opened two Super Bi-Lo concept grocery stores.

According to Reed, retailers will be closely monitoring national trends and consumer spending to determine the validity of long-term commitments in Greenville County, which is the most populous county in the state. Investor appetites are strong across the board, and many developers are betting on the city’s amiable retail climate to support future projects.

— Jia Gayles

Shops at Greenridge: White House/Black Market will move to a bigger space inside the shopping center. Diamond Choice will take over their old location. J. Jill will debut it's first upstate store at Greenridge in same building as WH/BM: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080328/BUSINESS/80328003/1003 Not in article but Oreck has also signed a lease to locate in same building at Mattress Firm according to tenant list: http://www.crosland.com/retail/properties/greenridge/

BMW to build Alfa Romeos in U.S.?

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/industry/bmw-to-build-alfa-romeos-in-us/

Why does the name Rick Thoennes sound familiar: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/LIFE07/311270002/1084/YOURUPSTATE01 :lol:

-Look for a major mixed-use development along Haywood Road to be annexed into the city in the coming months. The project will be a strong infill project for an area that has long been underdeveloped. No, it's not Crescent Place either. That project is already in the city limits and this one hasn't been announced yet.

-A redevelopment project that could be mixed-use is in the works for the former National Guard Armory on Laurens Road. Expect to hear news soon regarding it.

We're #2: http://realestate.msn.com/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=6100915&imageindex=2 :righton: Take that Raleigh. :baeh3: :lol: :hug:

-Look for a major mixed-use development along Haywood Road to be annexed into the city in the coming months. The project will be a strong infill project for an area that has long been underdeveloped. No, it's not Crescent Place either. That project is already in the city limits and this one hasn't been announced yet.

-A redevelopment project that could be mixed-use is in the works for the former National Guard Armory on Laurens Road. Expect to hear news soon regarding it.

Both of these sound like great things for those roads. I hope they're quality additions and as transit friendly as possible.

I wish Villagio Verde site would be developed. ALMOST anything would be impressive there. I wonder if this Haywood project is at the corner with Pelham. It's wooded right now which definitely qualifies as underdeveloped :lol:

^^That's what I was thinking. :) Is the site next to Pumpers where they sell Christmas trees and stuff in the city limits? :dunno: Speaking of transit, there is an article in this week's Journal regarding rails-trails and the BRT line proposed for the area. I'll type it up and post it later tonight.

:master: Thank you City of Greenville.

Before: http://www.greenvilletransit.com/

After: http://www.ridegreenlink.com/

Light rail may be in the future

Aimee Akam-Greenville Journal

It's about efficiency. That's what city officials say they are aiming for as they make changes in public transportation for Greenville residents.

Part of the goal is to find ways to connect businesses in the residential areas to the city.

If officials are able to raise sufficient funds, a permanent bus line will run from downtown Greenville to the Clemson University's International Center for Automotive Research off of Laurens Road.

Jim Bourey, Greenville city manager, said passengers will be able to arrive at and depart from the station rapidly and safely.

"The (plan's) system is faster than most light rail systems in the country," Bourey said. "Passengers will only be at the station for a few seconds."

The pathway of the line is owned by Greenville County and 90 percent of the line will operate on a separate right-of-way. Customers will pay their fares at the station and will be able to walk directly from the platform onto the bus when the bus arrives.

Bourey said the plan's creators would also like to add a form of traffic signal preemption to improve the speed of the bus operation. The signal pre-emption would allow the signal to change automatically when the bus arrives.

At this time, the plan is not a done deal, but Bourey said the federal government has been supportive of it. He believes most of the money, between 80 and 90 percent, will come from the federal government.

"We still need additional money for the project's design," Bourey said. "It's not entirely clear how much (money) is needed at this point, but probably around $20 million per mile, which is over $100 million."

South Carolina does not have a similar transit system, but Bourey is optimistic the state will have one in the future.

"(The transit system) is appropriate technology for the Greenville area that can be implemented and built upon," Bourey said.

Very cool. :yes:

Swamp Rabbit Moves to the FAST TRACK: http://www.gomagsc.com/may06_feature_3.php

I can't keep with all of these stories. :cry: And distortedlogic says there's nothing to talk about. :nuts:

Roadzyme could offer smooth ride

Charles Sowell-Greenville Journal

Imagine turning simple dirt into a smooth, durable surface - one tough enough to run Army tanks over without damaging it (well, not too badly) - for a fraction of the cost of asphalt and with a fraction of the work.

That's what Greenville County's Recreation Department is hoping to do with Roadzyme on the Swamp Rabbit Trail; all those miles and miles of old railroad beds and the like stretching rom downtown Greenville to Travelers Rest.

If it all works out as advertised, bikers will have a smooth and durable surface to ride on for years. Walkers will have all the benefits of a paved walking track without the pavement and, if they can get the mix just right, rollerblade enthusiasts will have the mother of all rollerblade runs.

And Greenville County will save a bundle, potentially.

Ty Houck director of Swamp Rabbit Trail said, "You can have a real 'ah-ha' moment by simply bouncing a golf ball off the surface of a trail that's been treated with Roadzyme. The ball will bounce like nobody's business."

Roadzyme is made from enzymes found in sugar beets and has been used by the American military to build quick-and-dirty hard-surface roads in Iraq, Houck said. The revolutionary substance causes the ions in the dirt to align overnight and results in a surface just as hard and durable as asphalt.

"We're still experimenting with it right now," Houck said. "There are some issues with some of the old railroad beds. Lots of pretty big gravel left over from the rail lines."

Roadzyme works best with fine-grained soils such as clay, he said, and in spots along the Swamp Rabbit, "fines" (or fine-grained soils) must be hauled in to get the mixture right.

"We're learning as we go," he said, "but the stuff works really well and the potential savings for the county is significant."

There are ecological considerations too in using the proprietary substance which was developed in Russia.

"Much of the Swamp Rabbit runs in flood zones as it follows the old railroad beds," he said. "It's much easier onthe environment to be flooding dirt and sugar-beet enzymes rather than the petroleum chemicals in asphalt."

During the next few weeks, the recreation department hopes to set up a test section of about a mile of trail using Roadzyme, Houck said. That will give the county a better idea of the overall feasibility and utility of the substance. "Potentially, it's amazing," Houck said.

:bash: :ohno: How dare anybody make fun of Ethan. He is really cool and I talked to him a lot when the Grrrowl were still here: http://www.wyff4.com/news/15705309/detail.html The lady who did this should have to apologize to him face to face.

G-man were the growl a hockey team?
The only reason i ask this is because a couple years ago i played travel ice hockey and we played a team called the greenville growl.(wooped em)
Jw if that was a echl or junior hockey club

It was a ECHL hockey team that went under thanks to investors who didn't know what they were doing. Now go back in your hole bigwilley. :lol:

Laurens West at Millennium Campus sold. Now you know what all the flags were for: http://www.millenniumcampus.com/sales.html Will be home to Century BMW which means they will move an amazing 1-2 miles down Laurens Road. :nuts:

Laurens West at Millennium Campus sold. Now you know what all the flags were for: http://www.millenniumcampus.com/sales.html Will be home to Century BMW which means they will move an amazing 1-2 miles down Laurens Road. :nuts:

OH GREAT! This means they'll abandon their current location and another sea of asphalt will sit unused. If asphalt must exist in large quantities then you might as well use it...

It was a ECHL hockey team that went under thanks to investors who didn't know what they were doing. Now go back in your hole bigwilley. :lol:

ITS NOT A HOLE ITS A CLOSET!!!!:hammer::gunz:
And i called it btw,i knew they was a hockey team

^^I'll show you a closet. :rant: :bash: :hug:

Here is some new information regarding RiverWest: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/PSPD/CZ-2008-17.pdf Looks a grocery store and other retail shops could be in the works for Highway 123 between Easley and Greenville. Nice to see this area finally start to grow.

Developer gets grilled

Charles Sowell-Greenville Journal

It comes down to a matter of trust in the dispute between developer Jim Anthony and environmental groups who oppose his plans for development along the North Saluda River.

The environmentalists believe Anthony has squandered whatever trust he may have built up by closing roads with little notice, trespassing on Greenville Watershed land, and a series of land deals and swaps that some consider questionable.

Anthony sees his organization as having met all the requirements of the law governing his developments. He said his group has gone beyond those requirements in many instances.

Congressman Bob Inglis and his wife, Mary Anne, took Anthony to task on road closings at a meeting hosted by the state Department of Health and Environmental Control last week.

"How can anyone in the community trust you when you're closing roads without telling?" Inglis asked. Anthony said, "I did everything I was required to do."

The Inglis family home borders on Anthony's Cliffs at Mountain Park project and one of the roads in question was often used by the congressman for mountain biking.

Originally, Anthony's plans for the Cliffs at Mountain Park had included radically changing the character of a 2.5-mile stretch of the river and dumping more than 175,000 gallons of treated sewage a day into the stream.

Brad Wyche, executive director of Upstate Forever, negotiated changes in Anthony's plans for the development after a firestorm of public protest.

The nature of those original plans and their nearly making it through the regulatory process before being discovered are part of the trust issue, said Dianne Anastos, director of Save Our Saluda - a grass-roots organization devoted to preserving as much of the Saluda rivers' watershed as possible.

As it worked out, Wyche's negotiations, coupled with the public protest, prompted Anthony to make some changes in his proposals to regulatory agencies. As it stands now, the Cliffs plan to broadcast treated wastewater over their golf course and other public grounds. They also have radically changed their plans for the river itself; scaling back on rechanneling and bridges and increasing riparian buffers.

However, Anthony refuses to sign any binding commitments to those plans, preferring to leave it up to state and federal agencies to ensure compliance.

Those nin-binding plans drew some sharp questioning at last week's meeting. Frank Holleman, a Greenville attorney and environmental activist, quizzed Kyle Graham of Environmental Permitting Inc., the private company Anthony uses to handle wetlands issues, on details of the Cliffs' scaled-down plans for the river.

Essentially, the plans are for major work on less than 1,000 feet of river front with riparian buffers 25 feet wide beside the river.

Developer gets grilled

Charles Sowell-Greenville Journal

It comes down to a matter of trust in the dispute between developer Jim Anthony and environmental groups who oppose his plans for development along the North Saluda River.

The environmentalists believe Anthony has squandered whatever trust he may have built up by closing roads with little notice, trespassing on Greenville Watershed land, and a series of land deals and swaps that some consider questionable.

Anthony sees his organization as having met all the requirements of the law governing his developments. He said his group has gone beyond those requirements in many instances.

Congressman Bob Inglis and his wife, Mary Anne, took Anthony to task on road closings at a meeting hosted by the state Department of Health and Environmental Control last week.

"How can anyone in the community trust you when you're closing roads without telling?" Inglis asked. Anthony said, "I did everything I was required to do."

The Inglis family home borders on Anthony's Cliffs at Mountain Park project and one of the roads in question was often used by the congressman for mountain biking.

Originally, Anthony's plans for the Cliffs at Mountain Park had included radically changing the character of a 2.5-mile stretch of the river and dumping more than 175,000 gallons of treated sewage a day into the stream.

Brad Wyche, executive director of Upstate Forever, negotiated changes in Anthony's plans for the development after a firestorm of public protest.

The nature of those original plans and their nearly making it through the regulatory process before being discovered are part of the trust issue, said Dianne Anastos, director of Save Our Saluda - a grass-roots organization devoted to preserving as much of the Saluda rivers' watershed as possible.

As it worked out, Wyche's negotiations, coupled with the public protest, prompted Anthony to make some changes in his proposals to regulatory agencies. As it stands now, the Cliffs plan to broadcast treated wastewater over their golf course and other public grounds. They also have radically changed their plans for the river itself; scaling back on rechanneling and bridges and increasing riparian buffers.

However, Anthony refuses to sign any binding commitments to those plans, preferring to leave it up to state and federal agencies to ensure compliance.

Those nin-binding plans drew some sharp questioning at last week's meeting. Frank Holleman, a Greenville attorney and environmental activist, quizzed Kyle Graham of Environmental Permitting Inc., the private company Anthony uses to handle wetlands issues, on details of the Cliffs' scaled-down plans for the river.

Essentially, the plans are for major work on less than 1,000 feet of river front with riparian buffers 25 feet wide beside the river.

I don't know details, but it sounds like much ado about nothing. :blahblah:

^^Personally, I hate Jim Anthony. I think he's a jerk but that's just my opinion.

:okay: Great story on Verdae development: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080330/NEWS01/803300316&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

The Verdae master plan calls for nearly 4,700 homes, 1.7 million square feet of shopping and up to 1.75 million square feet of office space over 25 years between Interstate 85 and Laurens and Woodruff roads. I didn't realize that much shopping is planned. :uh: That's 450,000 more square feet than Haywood Mall.

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That looks like a beautiful community!!! Very impressive, IMHO :okay:

Yes indeed. And to all the complainers about the harvesting of the trees to make way for this development, this is how a long-range master plan is supposed to work. ;)

^^At first I was upset about all the trees cut down, but not anymore after seeing all the ones they planted. :)

Gsupstate said it was a microbrewery that was national and upscale. He also said he had his fishing gear out which is a hint that it's seafood related. They're looking at downtown apparently. Didn't Windsor/Aughtry say the Courtyard by Marriott development would include a high-end national seafood chain? Why yes they did. Doesn't McCormick and Schmick's have seafood and a microbrewery called the Pilsner Room? Why yes they do. Isn't that restaurant national and upscale? Why yes it is: http://www.mccormickandschmicks.com/index.cfm This is just a guess. If I am right, I hope they go downtown rather than out to sprawl-ville.

When are the houses supposed to start in the Verdae developement?

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Two weeks Erm1981. Seems like a long time to complete the IMA building according to information below. Now I know why most things at Magnolia Park will be upscale. Because everything being built around it is upscale. Information regarding Verdae Development from Greenville News:

-The Parvey Cos. of Thomasville, Ga., is developing a 128-home subdivision that will be Greenville's first in the traditional neighborhood style. The houses cost between $450,00 and $550,000. Construction of the first phase - about a dozen homes - is scheduled to begin in the next two weeks, said Cynthia Yeager, director of sales and marketing at Verdae Development.

-Verdae Development is developing a subdivision with 54 houses costing $1 million or more apiece. Construction begins in June for the first batch of 10 lots, Yeager said.

-Greenville-based Banyan Senior Living is developing a $100 million community for seniors that will include 43 houses, 166 apartments and a 116-unit health services center.

-Internal Medicine Associates of Greenville is building a 60,000-square-foot office building along Verdae Boulevard near the intersection with Woodruff Road. The building is scheduled to be completed in late 2009.

-A developer is scrutinizing 38 acres near Laurens Road as a possible site for 350 to 400 upscale apartments, Yeager said.

^^At first I was upset about all the trees cut down, but not anymore after seeing all the ones they planted. :)

Gsupstate said it was a microbrewery that was national and upscale. He also said he had his fishing gear out which is a hint that it's seafood related. They're looking at downtown apparently. Didn't Windsor/Aughtry say the Courtyard by Marriott development would include a high-end national seafood chain? Why yes they did. Doesn't McCormick and Schmick's have seafood and a microbrewery called the Pilsner Room? Why yes they do. Isn't that restaurant national and upscale? Why yes it is: http://www.mccormickandschmicks.com/index.cfm This is just a guess. If I am right, I hope they go downtown rather than out to sprawl-ville.

I think the fishing gear comment was relating to the fact that he was "fishing" for some information. I don't think the microbrewery in question has anything to do with seafood...

McCormick & Schmick's is still my preferred upscale seafood restaurant for the Courtyard by Marriott development. I think it would be a great fit there, and would give Greenville a great seafood restaurant downtown. That, plus the Boathouse in the West End, would be two really good ones.

^^Good point. It's probably this place then: http://www.gordonbiersch.com/

Two weeks Erm1981. Seems like a long time to complete the IMA building according to information below. Now I know why most things at Magnolia Park will be upscale. Because everything being built around it is upscale. Information regarding Verdae Development from Greenville News:

-The Parvey Cos. of Thomasville, Ga., is developing a 128-home subdivision that will be Greenville's first in the traditional neighborhood style. The houses cost between $450,00 and $550,000. Construction of the first phase - about a dozen homes - is scheduled to begin in the next two weeks, said Cynthia Yeager, director of sales and marketing at Verdae Development.

-Verdae Development is developing a subdivision with 54 houses costing $1 million or more apiece. Construction begins in June for the first batch of 10 lots, Yeager said.

-Greenville-based Banyan Senior Living is developing a $100 million community for seniors that will include 43 houses, 166 apartments and a 116-unit health services center.

-Internal Medicine Associates of Greenville is building a 60,000-square-foot office building along Verdae Boulevard near the intersection with Woodruff Road. The building is scheduled to be completed in late 2009.

-A developer is scrutinizing 38 acres near Laurens Road as a possible site for 350 to 400 upscale apartments, Yeager said.

How can they start construction? Don't they know they cannot secure financing? Banks are not loaning money? The econony is bad? Don't they know they must wait a couple of years to see if the economyturns around? What are they thinking? Oh, I forgot these excuses only apply to downtown projects.:lol:

^^And the Point. :D

What point

What point

:yes: Google is your friend. Halfway down the page. Woodruff Point: http://www.rebusinessonline.com/article_archive/03-14-08.shtml

SC Supreme Court says cities can ban smoking

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS - March 31, 2008

COLUMBIA -- The South Carolina Supreme Court has ruled that cities and towns have the power to ban smoking in public places.

In a unanimous decision handed down Monday, the justices upheld a prohibition levied by the city of Greenville.

Greenville banned indoor smoking in public places last year.

Dozens of bars and restaurants sued, claiming the ban hurt business.

The justices’ decision could affect the dozen or so smoking bans already approved in counties, cities and towns across the state.

Some cities including Columbia had passed local bans but held off enforcing them until the high court ruled on the issue.

http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080331/NEWS01/80331018

Im glad smoking is banned. Its a nasty habit anyway.

^^Agreed. :D

Ruth's Chris is coming to Greenville: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080331/BUSINESS/80331055/1001/NEWS :banana: It's not going in front of Whole Foods Market though. Sonrise was right. It's going at Crowne Plaza. :)

Greenlink in the house: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080331/NEWS01/80331019

Nice to hear the news about Ruth's Chris. This has been discussed for a couple of years, and they finally found a site they liked. Given Greenville's strong business community, I have no doubt that Ruth's Chris will do quite well.

What's going in front of Doc Chey's on Woodruff Road then? :dunno: I still think it's going to be a Fleming's Steakhouse myself. It looks like it is going to be a restaurant.

$295 million mixed-use project for Greer that could include Bass Pro Shops: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080331/NEWS01/80331063

I heard that a national developer is planning on building a 35-story in DT Greenville. It will contain office space and 250-300 hotel rooms. Anything on this proposal? Come on g-man, you must know something.

[Oops, i just realized that this is not the DT Greenville thread... I am sorry.]

The small development in front of Whole Foods is really taking shape now, and if I had to put money on which restaurant is going in there it would easily be Fleming's Steakhouse. It looks very much like their style. I know we had originally anticipated a Fleming's there, but then someone told us it was not going to happen, however it sure looks like one now. :)

Raleigh are you serious? If so, PLEASE let us know where you heard this info!

Is this an April Fools joke? Raleigh-NC, I know you're hungry but that is no reason to eat cityboi's frog. :rant:

Raleigh-NC... are you serious? It sounds more like something G-man would have posted and then come back a few days later to say "NOT"! Has G-man gotten access to your account...??? :nuts:

^^Did I hack into his account? Unfortunately no. I think he's just messing with us for April Fools. :lol: Hope not though.

^^Did I hack into his account? Unfortunately no. I think he's just messing with us for April Fools. :lol: Hope not though.

Damn it! I forgot today was April First. Argg. :lol:

^^You never know though. He could be telling the truth. I say we steal his penguin until he talks. :D

It's got to be a joke. He posted another one on the Raleigh downtown development news thread. :lol:

Suprised this hasn't been posted on urbanplanet yet: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/744/118/ Most of the comments at the bottom seem to praise the area. :okay:

APRIL FOOLS DAY!!!

Yes, it was a joke, but with a good intention. Sorry, but I had to do it.

^^:bash: You're getting a squirrel for Christmas. :D

What's going in front of Doc Chey's: http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/1/B/6/1B635C2F-C3C8-426F-81B5-3B45C48709E4.pdf No Fleming's Steakhouse unfortunately. Building completion is 5/1/2008. Four tenant spaces available. Square feet of spaces is 1167, 1240, 2300, and 3565.


Ray, people will come Ray. They'll come to Iowa for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. Of course, we won't mind if you look around, you'll say. It's only $20 per person. They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the bleachers; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come.

TWO DAYS!!!! :drunk: :D And of course "JDew's Crew" is back for another great season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFHRhZ8L7dM

:master: :bow: You will bow down to my fish: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080401/NEWS/781/1026/NEWS07 Anybody refusing to will be getting a visit from Bob Ellis.

^^:bash: You're getting a squirrel for Christmas. :D

What's going in front of Doc Chey's: http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/1/B/6/1B635C2F-C3C8-426F-81B5-3B45C48709E4.pdf No Fleming's Steakhouse unfortunately. Building completion is 5/1/2008. Four tenant spaces available. Square feet of spaces is 1167, 1240, 2300, and 3565.


Ray, people will come Ray. They'll come to Iowa for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. Of course, we won't mind if you look around, you'll say. It's only $20 per person. They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the bleachers; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come.

TWO DAYS!!!! :drunk: :D And of course "JDew's Crew" is back for another great season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFHRhZ8L7dM

You forgot this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDyM4CfExXU&feature=related

G-man, that is an older document, as indicated by the missing Staybridge Suites. Besides, it is definitely possible that Fleming's was in negotiation when this brochure was being made. The site sat for quite a long time before construction resumed, so who knows?

G-man, that is an older document, as indicated by the missing Staybridge Suites. Besides, it is definitely possible that Fleming's was in negotiation when this brochure was being made. The site sat for quite a long time before construction resumed, so who knows?

The document is not old unfortunately. There are two "for lease by NAI Earle Furman" signs in two of the windows on the new building. One is on the back of the building facing toward Doc Chey's and the other is on the side facing toward Sticky Fingers/old Bob Evans. That's how I knew to go to their website and see the document.

Celebrities announced for BMW Charity Pro-Am NOT at the Cliffs: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080402/NEWS01/80402012&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

Miss baseball like Raleigh-NC? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azM5zImU2S8 ONE DAY!!!! :rock:

Sorry, dude, I don't care much about baseball...

Sorry, dude, I don't care much about baseball...

I'm with you. Baseball pretty much sucks.

I'm with you. Baseball pretty much sucks.

How dare you say such a thing. :bash: Baseball is America's past-time for a reason. You're getting a squirrel for Christmas just like Raleigh-NC will too.

Your New Hotel Construction Project of the Week-

West Georgia-I-385 Gateway
Project Type: Hotels/Motels/Resorts, Office Buildings, Retail (Shops/Restaurants)
Cost: $62.5 million. The value is estimated to be between $50 million and $75 million.
Location: Simpsonville, SC. At West Georgia Road and I-385, on the site of the former Kufner Textile Corp.
Schedule: N/A
Est. Start Date: 3/2008 - As of 3/19/08, grading is underway.

Details: Plans call for the a 10.7-acre mixed-use development that will include a hotel, bank, restaurants and shops. The development will include seven out parcels with national tenants and at least three national restaurant chains.

PROJECT NEWS/NOTES-
March 24, 2008: As of 3/19/08, the developer has letters of intent from three national restaurant groups. The land was rezoned in March 2008.


CONTACT INFORMATION-
Developer
Eddie Lathan Jr, President
LATCO Development
482 E. Parkins Mill Road
Greenville, SC 29607
PH: 846-255-5461


- END OF REPORT -

Good grief! Is that price tag not kind of high? What are they building?? The original Peacock?

Good grief! Is that price tag not kind of high? What are they building?? The original Peacock?

Nope. It's right. :D

Any idea which hotel will be here? Perhaps JHM Hotels will be involved. :)

Good grief! Is that price tag not kind of high? What are they building?? The original Peacock?

That's for the whole project, which sounds like a lot i.e. resorts? Office buildings? etc. etc.

I had to help pull the stupid tarp off the Greenville Drive baseball field earlier today. :rant:

I had to help pull the stupid tarp off the Greenville Drive baseball field earlier today. :rant:

Only to have to put it back on.

Like I said, it will be 5 years until GSP gets a true low-cost carrier like JetBlue or Southwest. :yes: The good news is that there is a better chance of that happening then downtown getting a highrise built. :lol:

Either you guys post or I start posting YouTube links again. :D It's your choice. :master: Crank that soulja boy.

Fine. You left me no choice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyjq9RJ-_yM Just for you Tux. :hug: :rock: :righton: :banana: :dj: The hippo reminds me of Bob Ellis for some odd reason.

-Project Apple is $50 million over 5 years. It's on the finance committee's agenda for county council next week. I'm not going to post the link for it though because i'm too lazy. :lol:

Project Apple is the TR project right? I was thinking it had died since it ran quiet for so long... Glad to hear that something might be happening.

Project Apple is the TR project right? I was thinking it had died since it ran quiet for so long... Glad to hear that something might be happening.

Yes indeed. Anderson County is involved in it too kind of like how Laurens County was with Project Skyline. Where is everybody? I had to work and do a an absolute ton of homework for school this weekend and even I had time to post. :nuts:

Yes indeed. Anderson County is involved in it too kind of like how Laurens County was with Project Skyline. Where is everybody? I had to work and do a an absolute ton of homework for school this weekend and even I had time to post. :nuts:

Not a lot happening. The story WYFF had last week on the Marriott said "if all goes well it would open in 14 months". Everything, including financing was in place. So if everything is a go, why has it been sitting there with no action for a over a month? Is this going to be another "Peacock"? Certainly, with Marriott behind this project, it won't become another vacant lot?

Not a lot happening. The story WYFF had last week on the Marriott said "if all goes well it would open in 14 months". Everything, including financing was in place. So if everything is a go, why has it been sitting there with no action for a over a month? Is this going to be another "Peacock"? Certainly, with Marriott behind this project, it won't become another vacant lot?

I take it you didn't drive by the site earlier today. ;) New shopping center proposed for Simpsonville: http://www.theshoppingcentergroup.com/DSN/wwwtheshoppingcentergroupcom/Commerce/ProductImages/pf001588.pdf

500 new jobs for Greenville County potentially: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080407/NEWS01/80407037

In regards to your signature; I think Bob has been silent for quite sometime...

In regards to your signature; I think Bob has been silent for quite sometime...

Not in my dreams. :lol: He needs to shut up in them. Wait, it's not a dream. It's a nightmare. :shifty: When are renderings for the gateway site going to come out? :D

So if everything is a go, why has it been sitting there with no action for a over a month? Is this going to be another "Peacock"? Certainly, with Marriott behind this project, it won't become another vacant lot?

All the new projects are on hold (and some of the old ones as well :bash:). :nuts:

DT Gville is becoming somewhat cluttered with unfinished projects. Consider:

-Cleared spaces with no plans: ie Shealy Elec, N Main
-Big Walls around Holes for years at a time: ie Gateway, Main/McBee
-"Rising Soon" signs that remain for years with no results: ie POM, Camperdown, Kroc Center
-Fountains that are never working/on/completed: ie Pete Hollis, Riverplace, Liberty Plaza
-"Ready to Start Projects" that never happen: ie Court St Condos, Marriott, and a slew of others
-Empty Store Fronts for years with a never ending promise of "soon" proposals: ie Woolworth/GQ, Kimbrells, and many others.
-Bare Spots where projects were already supposed to have started: ie Bookends 2, RP 2
-Parking lots of cancelled projects
- "Available" signs for empty office space popping up all over the place
-Recently completed projects with tons of empty ground spaces: ie Poinsett corners, Wachovia Place, McBee Station
-etc, etc, etc...

I think DT has bitten of quite a bit more than it could chew over the past few years. I just can't see many of the latest proposals happening. (END RANT). :cheers:

When are renderings for the gateway site going to come out? :D

Oh... in about 30 days. :lol:

It's so bad downtown that not even city funded projects like the Heritage Green fountain are getting completed. I feeling like sending the mayor and city manager an email. This is getting utterly ridiculous. :ohno: :bash: :nuts: Also, check your facts distortedlogic. Poinsett Corners retail spots are pretty much all filled and the Marriott has started construction. Camperdown Condos sign was taken down a long time ago too.

-The construction sign from inside the Kimbrell's building has been removed. You know what that means. More DEAD projects. YES. :nocrook: We need more DEAD projects. We can't have any highrises or mixed-use developments built downtown. That would go against Bob Ellis' way. :lol:

I'm not sure where 'available office space' has been popping up lately, because all I have heard is that more space is being consumed. And, the Marriott project will have office space, so the market must be doing alright.

Court Street condos was help up by a few nimbies. Last we heard they were redesigning weren't they?

I just don't believe that the grim picture you paint of downtown is entirely truthful.:)

I'm not sure where 'available office space' has been popping up lately, because all I have heard is that more space is being consumed. And, the Marriott project will have office space, so the market must be doing alright.

Court Street condos was help up by a few nimbies. Last we heard they were redesigning weren't they?

I just don't believe that the grim picture you paint of downtown is entirely truthful.:)

Check loopnet sometime. Ton of office space available in landmark and two liberty square buildings. Court Street project is on hold due to economy according to G-News article posted a few months ago.

Man...it sucks that so much office space is available in the landmark building and liberty building. Is this Class A office space ?

Man...it sucks that so much office space is available in the landmark building and liberty building. Is this Class A office space ?

The liberty buildings are class A, while the landmark building is class B.

Sounds like Project Apple will happen according to this: He said the company’s name would be revealed at the public hearing and final reading of the tax agreements before the full County Council, and that a formal announcement is coming in about a month.
Article: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080407/NEWS01/80407068

Check loopnet sometime. Ton of office space available in landmark and two liberty square buildings. Court Street project is on hold due to economy according to G-News article posted a few months ago.
I was thinking that that isn't newly freed up space, though. Is it? I don't know for sure. How does that indicate that downtown is in not so many words: 'depressed'?

Greenville takes pride in making its downtown a place that is for living, working, and playing. All of those components exists in a healthy ratio to one another, and make it such an exciting and enticing place to spend time.

I was thinking that that isn't newly freed up space, though. Is it? I don't know for sure. How does that indicate that downtown is in not so many words: 'depressed'?

Greenville takes pride in making its downtown a place that is for living, working, and playing. All of those components exists in a healthy ratio to one another, and make it such an exciting and enticing place to spend time.

Correct. It's not newly freed up space, but the office vacancy rate downtown is a lot higher than in the suburbs. That's the reason the majority of new office buildings aren't getting built downtown. There just isn't demand for them. Simple economics. You learn so many things in college. :hug: :lol:

Correct. It's not newly freed up space, but the office vacancy rate downtown is a lot higher than in the suburbs. That's the reason the majority of new office buildings aren't getting built downtown. There just isn't demand for them. Simple economics. You learn so many things in college. :hug: :lol:

Exactly. But, that doesn't hurt downtown, it just doesn't help it.

Exactly. But, that doesn't hurt downtown, it just doesn't help it.

Correct, unless they decide to do like SCANA did in Columbia and move from downtown to the suburbs. Does anybody know when construction is going to be begin on Magnolia Park Town Center? :D

TCTC's new satellite campus moving closer to reality:
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080408/PCN/804080305/1001/NEWS

Major retail complex that could include Bass Pro Shops moving forward:
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080408/NEWS01/804080366/1001/NEWS

:llama: VOTE: http://www.arch08.org/ GvilleSC should know about this. ;)

I voted for Hubbell Lighting headquarters, Liberty bridge, Riverplace office building, Westin Poinsett, and the Fieldhouse at West End building. Others I was considering include Furman Bell Tower, West End Field, Riverplace condos, Hughes library, Upcountry History Museum, CU-ICAR, Commerce building across Main Street from Westin Poinsett, Peace Center, parking garage next to Bookends, and the BMW Zentrum.

I see the product of our "I give up when things are difficult and I don't seem to be winning" culture is alive and well. You do realize how ridiculous that sounds right now, don't you? If every time challenging circumstances have arisen in this city's past our leaders and citizens threw up their arms and gave up their confidence in better things, we wouldn't even be on this board discussing the many developments that are happening all the time in the Upstate. Let's face it, what difference does it make whether we complain about a few projects being postponed for whatever reason? Other than giving yourself an ulcer because of too much worry, this will do nothing to change the current situation regarding our local economy - which, by the way is not that bad when you step back and look at what most people are facing in other places. Seriously, we sound like a group of undisciplined children whining and nagging about every small disappointment, never appreciative of the many good things that always go our way and never willing to put forth the effort to encourage, sacrifice, and believe in what is possible. How do you think Greenville was able to make such an incredible comeback into what many consider "the greatest example of downtown revitalization?" It was slow and tedious, taking hard work, perseverance, and major sacrifice by many people. There were several losses along the way, yet the leaders remained focused on the vision of what they believed this city would become someday. Now that we have reaped much of the exciting benefits from their tremendous labor in the past, we must not lose heart and the resolve to do our part in making this an even better place to live, work and play. I firmly believe that we have a few developers who know what this community needs and are working hard to make a positive impact, regardless of how tough circumstances may be for them currently. Remember when we complained about how long it was taking for RiverPlace to start development of each phase? Look who's laughing at us now. Remember when the debate was whether or not to take down the Camperdown Bridge? I believe everyone is laughing now and we have the most impressive attraction in the region as a result.:)

I see the product of our "I give up when things are difficult and I don't seem to be winning" culture is alive and well. You do realize how ridiculous that sounds right now, don't you? If every time challenging circumstances have arisen in this city's past our leaders and citizens threw up their arms and gave up their confidence in better things, we wouldn't even be on this board discussing the many developments that are happening all the time in the Upstate. Let's face it, what difference does it make whether we complain about a few projects being postponed for whatever reason? Other than giving yourself an ulcer because of too much worry, this will do nothing to change the current situation regarding our local economy - which, by the way is not that bad when you step back and look at what most people are facing in other places. Seriously, we sound like a group of undisciplined children whining and nagging about every small disappointment, never appreciative of the many good things that always go our way and never willing to put forth the effort to encourage, sacrifice, and believe in what is possible. How do you think Greenville was able to make such an incredible comeback into what many consider "the greatest example of downtown revitalization?" It was slow and tedious, taking hard work, perseverance, and major sacrifice by many people. There were several losses along the way, yet the leaders remained focused on the vision of what they believed this city would become someday. Now that we have reaped much of the exciting benefits from their tremendous labor in the past, we must not lose heart and the resolve to do our part in making this an even better place to live, work and play. I firmly believe that we have a few developers who know what this community needs and are working hard to make a positive impact, regardless of how tough circumstances may be for them currently. Remember when we complained about how long it was taking for RiverPlace to start development of each phase? Look who's laughing at us now. Remember when the debate was whether or not to take down the Camperdown Bridge? I believe everyone is laughing now and we have the most impressive attraction in the region as a result.:)

You expect me to read all of that? :bash: Where's the cliffsnotes version? :uh: :rant:

So I gather from your response that you don't read the articles you post then.

So I gather from your response that you don't read the articles you post then.

:hug:

Griffin Park: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydw895bLzoA No, that's not me who took the video.

"The American people just decided that Washington is either incompetent or irrelevant. Republicans made promises they didn't keep, and Democrats made promises they couldn't keep. And now it's a pox on all their houses."- Frank Luntz

:D

"The American people just decided that Washington is either incompetent or irrelevant. Republicans made promises they didn't keep, and Democrats made promises they couldn't keep. And now it's a pox on all their houses."- Frank Luntz

:D

"F*ck you, Frank!!" :lol:

(Background info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4)

"F*ck you, Frank!!" :lol:

(Background info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4)

Where have you been? I thought you had a stroke or something. :hug:

"The American people just decided that Washington is either incompetent or irrelevant. Republicans made promises they didn't keep, and Democrats made promises they couldn't keep. And now it's a pox on all their houses."- Frank Luntz :D

And, They would've gotten away with It if It weren't for those meddling kids and Their dog!

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Where have you been? I thought you had a stroke or something. :hug:

Just a lot going on for me right now. Plus, there hasn't been much to discuss in terms of developments. Hopefully that will change soon.

Skyliner, g-man does read the articles, if they have links to funny YouTube videos, or naked ladies :lol:

I drove by the Marriott site today and of course no one was there. The only thing going on was the grass growing. It really looks like they have planted grass as it is like a lawn, full, green, not sporadic growth and it even looked freshly mowed. So if the construction start is iminent, why would they bother planting grass? My guess is they have no intention of starting soon and the city made them plant grass so the it would not be a big mudhole.

Maybe the friendly neighborhood NIMBIES came by and threw grass seed on the lot.That way, they can object its removal when construction starts. I mean their dogs have to poop somewhere! And of course they fully utilized the plaza before (didn't everyone??) and don't want to see it made smaller. (demolition started before they got their ducks in a row, but it's not so bad because without the fire station, it's bigger!) :nuts:

-Greenville #3 in the nation for job growth, which is 2.9 percent according to article/chart: http://screnews.blogspot.com/2008/04/greenville-ranks-high-in-job-growth.html

-Homes in Hollingsworth Park at Verdae have started to be built. Steel has begun going up on the IMA building at Verdae. Old construction trailer at MPTC site has been removed which makes me believe construction will begin soon. Something is being built at the old Blimpie/Donut Connection location on Woodruff Road. Not sure what though. Looks about the size of a Krystal or Dunkin Donuts.

The Greenville Drive and Dunkin Donuts have announced a new promotion for this year. If you bring in any Greenville Drive ticket stub or a program you received at the gate when you walked into the ballpark to Dunkin Donuts, you will get a FREE donut with any large beverage purchase. This offer is only valid at the South Carolina locations listed on the Dunkin Donuts advertisement in the program. :okay:

The Greenville Drive and Dunkin Donuts have announced a new promotion for this year. If you bring in any Greenville Drive ticket stub or a program you received at the gate when you walked into the ballpark to Dunkin Donuts, you will get a FREE donut with any large beverage purchase. This offer is only valid at the South Carolina locations listed on the Dunkin Donuts advertisement in the program. :okay:

Great promotion! Dunkin' Donuts really needs a downtown location. Why it isn't going to be in the Kimbrell's building is beyond me.

Great promotion! Dunkin' Donuts really needs a downtown location. Why it isn't going to be in the Kimbrell's building is beyond me.

Nobody ever said it wasn't going in the Kimbrell's building. Speaking of that, what is going on with the project that was supposed to go there? The DPC approved it but nothing has been done. :dunno:

Nobody ever said it wasn't going in the Kimbrell's building. Speaking of that, what is going on with the project that was supposed to go there? The DPC approved it but nothing has been done. :dunno:

I thought we heard that it would be something else. Maybe I dreamed it.

I drove by the Marriott site today and of course no one was there. The only thing going on was the grass growing. It really looks like they have planted grass as it is like a lawn, full, green, not sporadic growth and it even looked freshly mowed. So if the construction start is iminent, why would they bother planting grass? My guess is they have no intention of starting soon and the city made them plant grass so the it would not be a big mudhole.

It's a law that grass seed has to be put down on a site inactive for more than week or two to help control erosion problems. There were workers on the site when I drove by on Friday. They are doing work in these two deep holes they dug on site. Not sure what though. They have every intention of starting soon. I've been in contacts with a person over at Windsor/Aughtry for several months now. All funding is now complete for the project. Tons of things are happening behind the scenes. :) Also, people who think nothing is happening development wise in Greenville needs to have their head examined. Maybe I should go out and take some update pics to prove them wrong. ;)

It seems funny to me that the site had buildings demolished and hauled away, but for some reason they didn't touch the parking lot...? A new parking garage and a part of the hotel portion will occupy that area, yet it's still there. I don't know, but it just seems natural to take that away at the same time.

It seems funny to me that the site had buildings demolished and hauled away, but for some reason they didn't touch the parking lot...? A new parking garage and a part of the hotel portion will occupy that area, yet it's still there. I don't know, but it just seems natural to take that away at the same time.

Have patience my good friend. :bow: :D

This is not good for GSP Airport: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2008-04-14-delta-northwest-merge_N.htm :ohno: Expect us to lose Memphis, Cincinnati, and possibly a few others like Minneapolis too. :bash: It also doesn't help with us being close to Atlanta either seeing how they'll be getting even more flights. How much bigger can that airport get? :nuts:

How come the forumers don't tell g-man when they go on strike? :( I feel so left out. :D

Any more countdowns to events, ground-breakings, etc? Which project we have to cancel today to make g-man happy? :lol:

I'm not on strike, but don't really have anything to say since there is nothing to report and nobody is really posting anything. :lol:

I really want to hear about a major announcement we can get excited about. I predicted (based on zero inside knowledge) that we will hear something big by the end of April. Keeping my fingers crossed...

I thought the MAC's announcement reported in the Greenville News yesterday was pretty exciting. This shows a vision to continue making improvements to the quality of life in Greenville and raise awareness about the city in the process. Hopefully we will achieve our goal of refining and defining our image in the art world. Everyone should jump on board and help out though.:)

I'm not on strike, but don't really have anything to say since there is nothing to report and nobody is really posting anything. :lol:

I really want to hear about a major announcement we can get excited about. I predicted (based on zero inside knowledge) that we will hear something big by the end of April. Keeping my fingers crossed...

I like your signature that's in green. I did fart on the site one day so maybe that's why it stinks. :lol:

Any more countdowns to events, ground-breakings, etc? Which project we have to cancel today to make g-man happy? :lol:

Hopefully one in Raleigh or Charlotte gets cancelled. :D That would make g-man happy for sure.

I like your signature that's in green. I did fart on the site one day so maybe that's why it stinks. :lol:

Sadly, that's the most action that has taken place there in months! :lol:

Sadly, that's the most action that has taken place there in months! :lol:

That's still more than the Peacock. :nuts: I feel contacting the mayor and complaining about these sites. :yes: I've done it before with the city manager.

Bass Pro Shops announced for Augusta I mean Disgusta. :nuts: How in the world do you decide to put a store there before here? :dunno: :bash:

That's still more than the Peacock. :nuts: I feel contacting the mayor and complaining about these sites. :yes: I've done it before with the city manager.

They will just tell you it's due to the sluggish economy. While that is partially true, I think the other problem with some of these developments is that local developers are clueless (excluding our friends at Marick). Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade, you know?

Where's Holder Properties going to build their highrise in downtown Greenville? ;)

As for Holder's future highrise in downtown...

I'm hoping for one of the following:
River @ Broad -- add to the river scene and impressive aspect from entering downtown on Academy.
Main @ McBee -- key intersection due to current developments along McBee

They will just tell you it's due to the sluggish economy. While that is partially true, I think the other problem with some of these developments is that local developers are clueless (excluding our friends at Marick). Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade, you know?

Where's Holder Properties going to build their highrise in downtown Greenville? ;)

Along with Marick you can also include TIC Properties and Windsor/Aughtry as having a clue too unlike Mark Kent and maybe Bob Ellis. :yes: Not sure where Holder Properties will build a highrise if they decide to build one. It takes a while to pick out a site. You have to look and every single one downtown then decide which one is the best fit at the best price. I sent John more links though saying how the office vacancy rate here is low and that more office buildings need to be built especially downtown along with Greenville having the third highest job growth in the nation. It seems to be working. ;) I told him that the building should be at least 15 stories tall.

In other news, Main at McBee along with the Pinnacle on Main are now listed on Costar. This is very good news. It basically means that neither project is dead and both are looking for office tenants. :cheers:

Hopefully one in Raleigh or Charlotte gets cancelled. :D That would make g-man happy for sure.
We had planned to build an underground bunker, but since the Cold War is over, we canceled the project... Does this make you happy?

We had planned to build an underground bunker, but since the Cold War is over, we canceled the project... Does this make you happy?

Nope. :( I want my Bass Pro Shops. My fish needs a home. Augusta I mean Disgusta getting a BPS before we do is just wrong. How do they get the fish before we do? What is this world coming to? :cry: This is all Bob Ellis' fault.

Nope. :( I want my Bass Pro Shops. My fish needs a home. Augusta I mean Disgusta getting a BPS before we do is just wrong. How do they get the fish before we do? What is this world coming to? :cry: This is all Bob Ellis' fault.

Well, we got an awesome city before they did. In fact, they are still waiting on theirs. So there. :lol:

:rock: Where my party people at? There is nothing to talk about. Nothing is getting built. Everyting is on hold. :blahblah:

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Is that housing going up in Verdae?!?! I thought I'd never see this day! They look to be going up fast (the ones you posted). I can't wait to see this in person! :)

Is that housing going up in Verdae?!?! I thought I'd never see this day! They look to be going up fast (the ones you posted). I can't wait to see this in person! :)

No, it's housing going up in California. :lol: GvilleSC is first for the head examination. :D Of course it's Verdae. :)

No, it's housing going up in California. :lol: GvilleSC is first for the head examination. :D Of course it's Verdae. :)

I don't think GvilleSC meant it in the form of an actual question. Perhaps you need the psych evaluation, g-man. :nuts: :lol:

I don't think GvilleSC meant it in the form of an actual question. Perhaps you need the psych evaluation, g-man. :nuts: :lol:

Then why did he post question marks? I'm confused. :cry: I need a nap. :lol:

Just got back from the ATL? :rock: When is construction going to start on Magnolia Park Town Center? :D :lol:

Thanks for the pics, g-man :okay: I admire your hard work to keep us up to date on what's happening in your area.

Just got back from the ATL? :rock: When is construction going to start on Magnolia Park Town Center? :D :lol:

Better yet, when is the downtown Marriott going to start? Why did they go gung ho to tear everything down and then do nothing for months? When is the Peacock going to resume? How long is that crane going to stay up with no action? Also I was happy to see the DPC finally approve designs for the eyesore at Main and River St. The guy was quoted as saying he hopes to break ground by the end of the year which means at least a year in construction lingo. He has been fighting the DPC for years, you would think he would be ready to go once they gave the go-ahead. I know, I am impatient. :bash:

We are a city that likes to tear down stuff, clear the land, maybe start construction, and leave vacant/inactive lots. Some recent examples:

-Gateway site
-Peacock Hotel & Spa site
-Magnolia Park Town Center

Anyone have any others? :lol:

Main at McBee. :D

You guys obviously don't understand what this city was like and how much hard work has gone into making it what it is today. You obviously don't understand what is being done today to make this city better tomorrow. If you have a problem with minor setbacks (which aren't actual setbacks since nothing was built in the first place), you either need tougher skin or a new home. The city is doing its part today to make sure it is prepared for tomorrow. Considering how neglected everything was, I would say with great confidence that most things are now looking very, very positive.

You guys obviously don't understand what this city was like and how much hard work has gone into making it what it is today. You obviously don't understand what is being done today to make this city better tomorrow. If you have a problem with minor setbacks (which aren't actual setbacks since nothing was built in the first place), you either need tougher skin or a new home. The city is doing its part today to make sure it is prepared for tomorrow. Considering how neglected everything was, I would say with great confidence that most things are now looking very, very positive.

Skyliner, i'm sorry man but you are alone in this fight. Most if not all of the other forum members are pretty pissed off about what's going on as am I. I wouldn't call the Pinnacle on Main three year delay a "minor" setback. Same goes with the 10-11 years for the gateway site. These developers come in, tear everything up, and then leave it. It's nothing but disgusting and the city should make them build their project, clean up the site, or sell the land. As you can tell the developers aren't doing any of this. Just look at the Gateway and Main at McBee sites. They have been eyesores for years and nothing has been done to clean up these sites. Something like what was done at the Bookends phase II site would be nice. A nice little park with some benches and trees on these sites would make me feel a lot better. :) Downtown Greenville is still amazing though with or without these projects.

This is NOT good news folks and i'm not kidding either. Magnolia Park Town Center has been delayed. They are now projecting a 2nd quarter 2010 opening. The commitments have not come yet. Every retailer that was in negotiations has slowed down due to the state of the economy and also the developer's extremely high rent numbers. This is according to a person on urbanplanet who is involved with the project. FUCK. :rant: The only way this could be good is if Apple has decided to go downtown.

You guys obviously don't understand what this city was like and how much hard work has gone into making it what it is today. You obviously don't understand what is being done today to make this city better tomorrow. If you have a problem with minor setbacks (which aren't actual setbacks since nothing was built in the first place), you either need tougher skin or a new home. The city is doing its part today to make sure it is prepared for tomorrow. Considering how neglected everything was, I would say with great confidence that most things are now looking very, very positive.

No, you obviously don't understand. Several of the recent comments (which I assume you were responding to in your above post) mentioned sites that have been purchased but have seen little to no activity. Sites such as the Gateway site, Pinnacle on Main, and Main at McBee have sat quietly with little to no activity for at least a couple of years each. The frustrating thing is that projects are announced for these sites, yet nothing is happening. Surely even you can agree that these observations are facts.

Unfortunately, you resort to building straw men by suggesting that these posts are being negative about the entire city, then respond by saying that our city is great and wonderful. Nobody said that our city isn't wonderful (except perhaps g-man when he gets in one of his moods :lol:).

So in your opinion, why can't we point out our disappointments with specific projects or developments? Because as great as our city is, there are issues with private developers who don't know what they are doing. If we as Greenville lovers can't be objective about these problems, we'll never be able to work through them and help our great city reach its potential.

I feel like slapping somebody. :cry: :bash:

This is NOT good news folks and i'm not kidding either. Magnolia Park Town Center has been delayed. They are now projecting a 2nd quarter 2010 opening. The commitments have not come yet. Every retailer that was in negotiations has slowed down due to the state of the economy and also the developer's extremely high rent numbers. This is according to a person on urbanplanet who is involved with the project. FUCK. :rant: The only way this could be good is if Apple has decided to go downtown.

That does suck, but I have to say that we should no longer be surprised by these delays. Nearly every major project either in DT, or in the suburbs, that has been proposed in the past four years have been delayed. This will be no different. I just hope that eventually, the "delays" actually become delays. They will only be delayed if they actually get built, otherwise they become "dead", or "never happened."

No, you obviously don't understand. Several of the recent comments (which I assume you were responding to in your above post) mentioned sites that have been purchased but have seen little to no activity. Sites such as the Gateway site, Pinnacle on Main, and Main at McBee have sat quietly with little to no activity for at least a couple of years each. The frustrating thing is that projects are announced for these sites, yet nothing is happening. Surely even you can agree that these observations are facts.

Unfortunately, you resort to building straw men by suggesting that these posts are being negative about the entire city, then respond by saying that our city is great and wonderful. Nobody said that our city isn't wonderful (except perhaps g-man when he gets in one of his moods :lol:).

So in your opinion, why can't we point out our disappointments with specific projects or developments? Because as great as our city is, there are issues with private developers who don't know what they are doing. If we as Greenville lovers can't be objective about these problems, we'll never be able to work through them and help our great city reach its potential.Well, if the 3 or 4 of you SSC members from Greenville feel ranting about the uncontrollable negatives while completely ignoring the decades worth of positives will make a difference in your lives, I am not attempting to stop you. A little balance from a different (positive) perspective is definitely warranted in this discussion occasionally.

For the record, I am not thrilled with the fact that no high-rises are going up in Greenville today, but honestly I see no reason that our city really needs them at this point. When the time arrives to build one, we'll have the sites ready to build on, and in some cases even the blueprints to follow. Meanwhile, the city IS growing in many other positive ways. :)

That does suck, but I have to say that we should no longer be surprised by these delays. Nearly every major project either in DT, or in the suburbs, that has been proposed in the past four years have been delayed. This will be no different. I just hope that eventually, the "delays" actually become delays. They will only be delayed if they actually get built, otherwise they become "dead", or "never happened."

Verdae isn't delayed
Carolina First headquarters isn't delayed
ICAR isn't delayed
Hubbell Lighting wasn't delayed
Griffin Park isn't delayed
Acadia isn't delayed
Village at Pelham isn't delayed
Easley Town Center isn't delayed
Palmetto Bank headquarters isn't delayed
Courtyard by Marriott isn't delayed
Riverplace wasn't delayed
McBee Station wasn't delayed
Dillard Creek/Creekside Village isn't delayed

Magnolia Park being delayed is definitely due to the economy and not the developer. Check this out:

In addition, with retailers cutting back on expansion because of the slackening economy, it’s getting more difficult to nail down stores and restaurants new to the market, developers said.

“It’s affected us,” said Dave Claflin, spokesman for RED Development, which is constructing the Promenade at Chenal in west Little Rock. “I don’t know anybody who’s not affected.” The shopping centers, each in different phases of development, are still materializing, if a little slower than expected. The centers combined are bringing more than 2 million square feet of retail, restaurant, entertainment, office and residential components to the city. Some retail and dining experiences are new to the market, with many familiar names among the mix.

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Business/223408/

Why is the economy bad? This is a lot of the reason: http://www.flickr.com/photos/phunter/2377361134/

If you have a problem with minor setbacks (which aren't actual setbacks since nothing was built in the first place), you either need tougher skin or a new home.
Please do not encourage g-man to move. Not that he will choose Raleigh, but you never know. Thicker skin should be enough :rofl:

Please do not encourage g-man to move. Not that he will choose Raleigh, but you never know. Thicker skin should be enough :rofl:

:lol:

I believe g-man has threatened to bring Bob Ellis with him, hasn't he? :lol:

:lol:

I believe g-man has threatened to bring Bob Ellis with him, hasn't he? :lol:

Maybe. ;) Don't worry Raleigh-NC, i'll make sure to go to Charlotte first. The keyword there is first. :lol:

See what you've done, Skyliner? Not only he will bring Bob Ellis with him, but g-man is also considering a move to Raleigh... maybe with his entire family :lol:

On a serious note, have you guys heard of any corporate relocations to your downtown? Any move of 500 people and above would certainly help get a high-rise. A relocation can be from within your region and not necessarily from another city. It would be really wise if your downtown promoters would also focus their efforts on bringing companies from the suburbs to the core of the city. I know, it is like competing against yourself, but this is how the burbs stole a lot of businesses from central locations. How is Greenville's Chamber of Commerce doing?

Several organizations are working very hard to keep Greenville as the main economic engine of the state. Recent reports from these organizations indicate that they are finding continued success, even excelling above all previous years when it comes to attracting new investments and creating new jobs. Along with the ones already in place, a brand new collaborative effort is being formed to attract corporations to Greenville's vibrant downtown. I am anxious to hear more about this in the near future, as I am positive the results will prove to be tremendously successful. That is what always happens when such solid organizations are formed in this city.


For further information:

Greenville Area Development Corporation (http://greenvilleeconomicdevelopment.com/)

Greater Greenville Chamber of Commerce (http://greenvillechamber.org/index.aspx)

Upstate Alliance (http://upstatealliance.com/)

I think the city still has a lot going for it, and I think you do have to look at what Greenville used to be and see how far it has risen from the ashes so to speak. I do agree with Skyliner on that. G-man...a little patience goes a long way even though its been a few years on some of the sites. Its best just to forget about them happening right now cause the economy isnt worth a dam. Just put all that worrying you do into your school work and you will probably raise your GPA a whole letter grade.

I think the city still has a lot going for it, and I think you do have to look at what Greenville used to be and see how far it has risen from the ashes so to speak. I do agree with Skyliner on that. G-man...a little patience goes a long way even though its been a few years on some of the sites. Its best just to forget about them happening right now cause the economy isnt worth a dam. Just put all that worrying you do into your school work and you will probably raise your GPA a whole letter grade.

Talk about a hypocrit. :ohno: You and almost everybody else complains too. Did you even see my post with the list about projects that aren't delayed? I don't care though. Only 8 more days until i'm done with this crap. Yay.

:D New video on Greenville's success over the past few years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

Yeah...its been a while since Ive been on this board. It really doesnt matter how much people complain on some message board....it doesnt really change anything in the grand scheme of things. As I said "The city still has a lot going for it". I did see the list you posted. At least the Palmetto bank job is comming along downtown. I think it is a nice looking building. I think you need to do something to shed off some of that extra energy you got.

Yeah...its been a while since Ive been on this board. It really doesnt matter how much people complain on some message board....it doesnt really change anything in the grand scheme of things. As I said "The city still has a lot going for it". I did see the list you posted. At least the Palmetto bank job is comming along downtown. I think it is a nice looking building. I think you need to do something to shed off some of that extra energy you got.

You just got rick rolled. :D :hug: I think I should steal somebody's penguin to relieve me of this energy. :lol:

OK...whatever. Your just mad cause I agreed with Skyliner. Come on....admit it! lol

OK...whatever. Your just mad cause I agreed with Skyliner. Come on....admit it! lol

I admit it. :cry: You still got rick rolled though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickroll

Verdae isn't delayed
Carolina First headquarters isn't delayed
ICAR isn't delayed
Hubbell Lighting wasn't delayed
Griffin Park isn't delayed
Acadia isn't delayed
Village at Pelham isn't delayed
Easley Town Center isn't delayed
Palmetto Bank headquarters isn't delayed
Courtyard by Marriott isn't delayed
Riverplace wasn't delayed
McBee Station wasn't delayed
Dillard Creek/Creekside Village isn't delayed

I/ll bite:
#1: Prposed before 4 years ago, read my post
2:One of the exceptions (I wrote "most")
3:More than 4 yrs
4:Exception
5:Neighborhood (I was referring to non-neighborhood dev., that has remained healthy)
6: Neigborhood
7:Strip Mall-Not a "major dev"
8:Not in Gville
9:Exception
10: Currently delayed
11:Phase 2 and 3 currently delayed
12:Exception
13:Never heard of it

Out of your list, there were 4 exceptions that were not delayed. I said "most", and most it is.

I think the city still has a lot going for it, and I think you do have to look at what Greenville used to be and see how far it has risen from the ashes so to speak. I do agree with Skyliner on that. G-man...a little patience goes a long way even though its been a few years on some of the sites. Its best just to forget about them happening right now cause the economy isnt worth a dam. Just put all that worrying you do into your school work and you will probably raise your GPA a whole letter grade.

I too agree with this. Despite my frustration with the current delays, there is absolutely no question that Gville is in a differnt class than it was. DT is especially impressive this time of year, with festivals, plays, ballgames, street music, and it's parks. Tough to beat!

I/ll bite:
#1: Prposed before 4 years ago, read my post
2:One of the exceptions (I wrote "most")
3:More than 4 yrs
4:Exception
5:Neighborhood (I was referring to non-neighborhood dev., that has remained healthy)
6: Neigborhood
7:Strip Mall-Not a "major dev"
8:Not in Gville
9:Exception
10: Currently delayed
11:Phase 2 and 3 currently delayed
12:Exception
13:Never heard of it

Out of your list, there were 4 exceptions that were not delayed. I said "most", and most it is.

Verdae was announced in mid-2005. That's only three years ago not four. Courtyard by Marriott is NOT delayed. :bash: Contact Windsor/Aughtry if you don't believe me. I swear people in this world are getting more retarted. :nuts: The Village at Pelham is not a strip mall. It's a hospital. Easley Town Center is in Easley which is a suburb of Greenville. It is also in the Greenville MSA. Riverplace isn't delayed. The city is giving the developer money to build the project. Duh. I'll show you the city council agenda link for it if you don't believe me. Never heard of Dillard Creek/Creekside Village? Look at my avatar for pete's sake for a guess as to what it could be. :ohno:

Verdae was announced in mid-2005. That's only three years ago not four. Courtyard by Marriott is NOT delayed. :bash: Contact Windsor/Aughtry if you don't believe me. I swear people in this world are getting more retarted. :nuts: The Village at Pelham is not a strip mall. It's a hospital. Easley Town Center is in Easley which is a suburb of Greenville. It is also in the Greenville MSA. Riverplace isn't delayed. The city is giving the developer money to build the project. Duh. I'll show you the city council agenda link for it if you don't believe me. Never heard of Dillard Creek/Creekside Village? Look at my avatar for pete's sake for a guess as to what it could be. :ohno:

Excuse me bit I didn't memorize everything. Ok, the last 3 years then, not 4 (doesn't change my point). If Marriott's not delayed then where is it? Easley is still a suburb, not Gville, (check a map if you don't believe me :)) If RP isn't delayed where is it? Wasn't pahse 2 supposed to be started already? I would call that a delay.

Give up the act Gman, everyone know you are the most frustrated of us all :lol:

Excuse me bit I didn't memorize everything. Ok, the last 3 years then, not 4 (doesn't change my point). If Marriott's not delayed then where is it? Easley is still a suburb, not Gville, (check a map if you don't believe me :)) If RP isn't delayed where is it? Wasn't pahse 2 supposed to be started already? I would call that a delay.

Give up the act Gman, everyone know you are the most frustrated of us all :lol:

They're doing site preparations right now on Courtyard by Marriott site. Why do you think they dug those deep holes on site? Contact Windsor/Aughtry if you don't believe me. All funding is complete. End of story. Easley is still part of the Greenville MSA. Rest of Riverplace is currently being designed. When it was first announced the developer said it would be a decade before it's completed which means 2013/2014. Phase II wasn't supposed to start already. They're actually ahead of schedule with the building of the complex.

Fresh Market development isn't delayed
Pendleton West isn't delayed
Rhett Street brownstones isn't delayed
Patewood medical campus wasn't delayed
GHS Greer hospital isn't delayed
Georgia Road Commons isn't delayed

They're doing site preparations right now on Courtyard by Marriott site. Why do you think they dug those deep holes on site? I am frustrated. I'm frustrated that certain forum members like to post their own opinions over facts.

The same reason it was done for POM and Peacock? :lol:

Oh give it a rest, you are the undisputed king of posting ill placed opinions over facts. :)

The same reason it was done for POM and Peacock? :lol:

Oh give it a rest, you are the undisputed king of posting ill placed opinions over facts. :)

OMG. What I have to put up with. Just remember who sent out emails to Windsor/Aughtry. Didn't WYFF say funding was complete? Why yes they did. Funding is not complete for POM or Peacock site. Windsor/Aughtry built the Hilton in Columbia for pete's sake. Did you forget that?

I think you guys need a little pick-me-up (http://www.southeastrebusiness.com/articles/APR08/highlight1.html). :)

I think the major concern on the part of distortedlogic (as well as others) is if Greenville is able to sustain the momentum it has successfully built within the past couple of years. No one wants to see their city on the precipice, so to speak, and then nothing happens. I don't think that's what's going to happen with Greenville, but the concern is understandable. After a while, what's new will get old, and nobody wants the impression to be that the city is only resting on past accomplishments.

It's simply going to take some patience at this point.

I think you guys need a little pick-me-up (http://www.southeastrebusiness.com/articles/APR08/highlight1.html). :)

I think the major concern on the part of distortedlogic (as well as others) is if Greenville is able to sustain the momentum it has successfully built within the past couple of years. No one wants to see their city on the precipice, so to speak, and then nothing happens. I don't think that's what's going to happen with Greenville, but the concern is understandable. After a while, what's new will get old, and nobody wants the impression to be that the city is only resting on past accomplishments.

It's simply going to take some patience at this point.

Thanks for the pick me up. I really love this part of the article:

This year many retailers scaled down their expansion and relocation plans, and several of the more ambitious retail developments in the Greenville market have been unable to come to fruition. Magnolia Park Town Center, a mixed-use lifestyle center proposed by Menin Development, has been unable to attract high-end retailers to the former Greenville Mall site. The property is located near the Interstate-85/Woodruff Road interchange, and was originally slated to contain more than 350,000 square feet of retail and restaurant space. Also near the interchange, McChesney Investment Advisors planned for more than 500,000 square feet of retail space at The Point, a mixed-use project, but was unable to secure the anchor tenants necessary to proceed with the project. Crescent Place, a mixed-use development that was to contain over 200,000 square feet of retail space, was recently put on hold by the developer, Merrifield Partners. They cited the retail slowdown as a major factor in their decision.

:rant:

^So out of all of the good things in that article, you had to lift that part out, didn't you?

^So out of all of the good things in that article, you had to lift that part out, didn't you?

Yes I did. How is Charlotte able to get these things built, but Greenville isn't? :nuts:

^Because it capitalized on its assets and laid a foundation for success much earlier than Greenville. And because it's located in a much more progressive state.

^Because it capitalized on its assets and laid a foundation for success much earlier than Greenville. And because it's located in a much more progressive state.

Are you saying Greenville isn't progressive?

^No, I'm saying that South Carolina isn't--at least not when compared to its neighbors.

^No, I'm saying that South Carolina isn't--at least not when compared to its neighbors.

Oh, ok. I have to agree with you. This state is not progressive. However, we have lower gas prices. :banana: :lol:

I think the city still has a lot going for it, and I think you do have to look at what Greenville used to be and see how far it has risen from the ashes so to speak. I do agree with Skyliner on that. G-man...a little patience goes a long way even though its been a few years on some of the sites. Its best just to forget about them happening right now cause the economy isnt worth a dam. Just put all that worrying you do into your school work and you will probably raise your GPA a whole letter grade.Thanks for the support, erm1981. It means quite a bit to hear someone else knows that the positive momentum started decades ago and hasn't slowed down yet. This is the view of many business leaders in this city as well, although they rarely (if ever) share their minds with childish scraper geeks online.

Thanks for the support, erm1981. It means quite a bit to hear someone else knows that the positive momentum started decades ago and hasn't slowed down yet. This is the view of many business leaders in this city as well, although they rarely (if ever) share their minds with childish scraper geeks online.

So, you're willing to let the gateway site sit like that for another ten years then?

"Let the Gateway site sit?" ...As if I had a choice in its outcome. If it means waiting for a high quality development to be built there in the future, then yes. We've already been over and over the intricate logistical issues of that site, so it will clearly take a clever plan to make anything work there. In the meantime, what has the vacant lot done to slow progress elsewhere in the city? I haven't heard any business say they were repulsed by downtown Greenville because of that lot.

The few of you chronic whiners posting nothing but complaints need to realize that this is a very tough time economically for our nation and the outlook is not bright at this point, thus businesses and most residents are much less likely to be interested in risking larger investments. This is a time when you have to tighten the belt and trudge on in search of wise investors who are willing and able to expand in our area. We all should take time to realize how many areas across the country are much more desperate than anything we have known here for at least a few decades. The future will likely get better again someday (economic cycles), so we can either be babies and cry because things aren't going exactly the way we want, or we can be adults and look at the big picture, glad that we are still growing despite the economic downturn. Many cities would kill to be in Greenville's shoes right now.

Skyliner, are you trying to make g-man think straight? You are wasting your breath, I am afraid... He is into doom and gloom and you cannot connect him with reality :lol: On a more serious note, I was looking into Cooper Carry's website and saw a link to Carolina First Corporate Campus. I am sure it is nothing you guys have not seen, but I decided to post this link (http://www.coopercarry.com/portfolio/loadDetailWip.aspx?id=&projectID=270&projectOrder=6&imageID=1), anyway.

Skyliner, are you trying to make g-man think straight? You are wasting your breath, I am afraid... He is into doom and gloom and you cannot connect him with reality :lol: On a more serious note, I was looking into Cooper Carry's website and saw a link to Carolina First Corporate Campus. I am sure it is nothing you guys have not seen, but I decided to post this link (http://www.coopercarry.com/portfolio/loadDetailWip.aspx?id=&projectID=270&projectOrder=6&imageID=1), anyway.

That's me. :D Nothing is getting built even though I listed a ton of projects that are. Where's the whistling emotion? I have never seen those renderings before. :uh: Thanks man. :okay: Nice to see it go for LEED Gold.

Being honest and acknowledging that problems exist isn't being "negative" or "whiny." It's being a realist. We could all take turns blowing sunshine up each other's butts, but that accomplishes little when we're supposed to be talking about economic developments. What's wrong with talking about the good and the bad?!?

I don't like negative people. It's toxic and unproductive to be that way. Nobody wants to come on here to read rants every day about how awful things are. But that is a far cry from noting some developments that seem to be on hold, or disagreeing with a developer over their plans. If voicing opinions that aren't 100% rosy is viewed by some people as negative, well, then perhaps those people need to develop thicker skin.

We all want the best for our beloved city, and just because some people see it differently than others doesn't make them any better or worse. As long as people can be objective with some determination and optimism thrown in, we'll be fine. :)

We're doomed I tell you. The world is coming to an end. G-man didn't list projects that aren't delayed and didn't take update pics within the last week. And everybody says i'm the one complaining the most. :nuts: Why does everybody always put the blame on the little guy? Why not the penguin? I'm sick of all of these gophers, earthworms, and a sparrow who won't quit stealing my nuts. :rant: I think Raleigh-NC is toxic. :lol:

g-man, YOU are doomed, I am telling you. You need to maintain a more upbeat attitude towards all those projects that are currently stalled - not canceled - and towards Bob Ellis :lol:

g-man, YOU are doomed, I am telling you. You need to maintain a more upbeat attitude towards all those projects that are currently stalled - not canceled - and towards Bob Ellis :lol:

Don't make me rick roll you. :D

Being honest and acknowledging that problems exist isn't being "negative" or "whiny." It's being a realist. We could all take turns blowing sunshine up each other's butts, but that accomplishes little when we're supposed to be talking about economic developments. What's wrong with talking about the good and the bad?!?

I don't like negative people. It's toxic and unproductive to be that way. Nobody wants to come on here to read rants every day about how awful things are. But that is a far cry from noting some developments that seem to be on hold, or disagreeing with a developer over their plans. If voicing opinions that aren't 100% rosy is viewed by some people as negative, well, then perhaps those people need to develop thicker skin.

We all want the best for our beloved city, and just because some people see it differently than others doesn't make them any better or worse. As long as people can be objective with some determination and optimism thrown in, we'll be fine. :)


Well said.

I'd also like to comment that some logic needs to be thrown into the mix as well. If anyone thinks what gets built or doesn't get built, determines the success of city......well, then I feel sorry for them.

Ultimately, success for a city IMO, mirrors the same benchmarks we view for personal success......quality of life, excellent reputation, keep reaching for better, count your successes but don't rest on them, inspire others and be inspired by others, continue to learn, remain open to fresh ideas.

Viewed from any benchmark, the majority view Greenville as quite successful.

Well said.

I'd also like to comment that some logic needs to be thrown into the mix as well. If anyone thinks what gets built or doesn't get built, determines the success of city......well, then I feel sorry for them.

Ultimately, success for a city IMO, mirrors the same benchmarks we view for personal success......quality of life, excellent reputation, keep reaching for better, count your successes but don't rest on them, inspire others and be inspired by others, continue to learn, remain open to fresh ideas.

Viewed from any benchmark, the majority view Greenville as quite successful.

Yeah and you said MPTC would be complete in fall 2009. Do you still hold to that? :lol:

Yeah and you said MPTC would be complete in fall 2009. Do you still hold to that? :lol:

I said it was "scheduled for Fall of 2009" and it was. Schedules change and flexibility is your friend. Things are progressing.

I said it was "scheduled for Fall of 2009" and it was. Schedules change and flexibility is your friend. Things are progressing.

Good point. Still sucks we now have to wait until 2010 for the Apple Store. Thanks for the confirmation regarding it going downtown as only a rumor. I wish Simon would kick out somebody not needed at Haywood Mall just so we could get one. I recommend the Children's Place. Who needs that? Nobody. :lol: Well, except for maybe Raleigh-NC. He shops in the kids department.

Great. Now people are thinking the Courtyard by Marriott and Gateway site are the same thing: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/CONSTRUCTION-THREAD-Down-t41133.html&st=100&start=100 :nuts: Yep, we're doomed. :ohno: Just look at our president, congress, and banks for proof of that.

So, you're willing to let the gateway site sit like that for another ten years then?

Thats not the point G-man. If it sits there another 20 years dont let it get to you man. Don't sweat the small stuff. There is so much more to life than worrying whether a building gets built or not. If it does then good, but if not then dont worry about it cause then it only existed as an idea in the first place.

Good point. Still sucks we now have to wait until 2010 for the Apple Store. Thanks for the confirmation regarding it going downtown as only a rumor. I wish Simon would kick out somebody not needed at Haywood Mall just so we could get one. I recommend the Children's Place. Who needs that? Nobody. :lol: Well, except for maybe Raleigh-NC. He shops in the kids department.

How do you know the Apple store won't be in the West End as we heard within the last week?

How do you know the Apple store won't be in the West End as we heard within the last week?

Gsupstate knows everything. Let's just put it that way. ;) Remember he's involved with MPTC. :hug: for Erm1981.

I think it would be good to see something like the Apple store and other big name/brand retailers in downtown instead of all of them going at I-85/woodruff rd.

Gsupstate knows everything. Let's just put it that way. ;) Remember he's involved with MPTC. :hug: for Erm1981.

Oh, did he recently say that Apple would be at Magnolia Park? I know that was the plan 6 months ago, but things have obviously changed some at MPTC and the retailers who have kept their commitments...

Oh, did he recently say that Apple would be at Magnolia Park? I know that was the plan 6 months ago, but things have obviously changed some at MPTC and the retailers who have kept their commitments...

Yes, he did. He PM'ed me. :yes: At least that's the plan currently. Hopefully it changes. I'm still trying to figure out why they tore down a high-end mall to build another high-end mall on the exact same spot that is now on hold. :nuts:

...that is a far cry from noting some developments that seem to be on hold, or disagreeing with a developer over their plans. If voicing opinions that aren't 100% rosy is viewed by some people as negative, well, then perhaps those people need to develop thicker skin...What developments and developers do you have disagreements with? What changes would you like to see happen during this current economic condition so that these few delayed high-rise proposals will be completed on schedule? Is there anything more productive we could do with our time on this forum than constantly wondering why projects haven't started when the developers had originally hoped? Is there anything we could discuss that might actually be beneficial to the City's unending effort to create a more livable environment so that the demand for downtown residential space will skyrocket? Can we do something to make a positive difference in the future by offering our ideas and experiences from the past? I for one believe we can.:)

- Or is this board for sharing information only? If so, it sure is repetitive.

What developments and developers do you have disagreements with? What changes would you like to see happen during this current economic condition so that these few delayed high-rise proposals will be completed on schedule? Is there anything more productive we could do with our time on this forum than constantly wondering why projects haven't started when the developers had originally hoped? Is there anything we could discuss that might actually be beneficial to the City's unending effort to create a more livable environment so that the demand for downtown residential space will skyrocket? Can we do something to make a positive difference in the future by offering our ideas and experiences from the past? I for one believe we can.:)

- Or is this board for sharing information only? If so, it sure is repetitive.

Let's see. Where should I start? Bob Ellis, Mark Kent, Ron Vergnolle (spelling), Menin Development, and McChesney Investment Advisors. What changes? Let's see. I'd like to see more advertising, no more lying, and to actually see the projects get built after years of delays. I've said numerous times there are many things we could discuss on this forum besides development like mass transit, but the other forumers seem to object to that for some odd reason. I for one believe the economy is in a free-fall and there is nothing we can do currently to help the situation. We don't control the banks or OPEC. Oh and I told you non-believers that the Courtyard by Marriott wasn't on hold. Check urbanplanet if you don't believe me. :)

There's a start. Thanks g-man.

What specific disagreements do you have with these developers?

More advertising... Oh, you must mean better coverage than The Camperdown, which was proposed by an Atlanta-based developer and had an actual storefront on Main Street, not to mention presentation videos in other businesses and ads in every paper?

No more lying... Please share some examples of the kinds of lies you think caused problems resulting in delays. I am unaware of any lies to the public, though there may have been a few that I missed.

There's a start. Thanks g-man.

What specific disagreements do you have with these developers?

More advertising... Oh, you must mean better coverage than The Camperdown, which was proposed by an Atlanta-based developer and had an actual storefront on Main Street, not to mention presentation videos in other businesses and ads in every paper?

No more lying... Please share some examples of the kinds of lies you think caused problems resulting in delays. I am unaware of any lies to the public, though there may have been a few that I missed.

The main disagreements I have is that they don't bother telling the public what's going on with the project and they don't fix up the site while the specified project is on hold. Why can't KDS Properties put a small park on the Main at McBee site like Whitmire Co. and the city did with the Bookends phase II site? The Camperdown did have good advertising, but a lot of the other projects haven't. When was the last time you saw a sales center for the Pinnacle on Main or Main at McBee? Most of the developers haven't lied. There is one though that would tell me it would start in two weeks every time I emailed him. I'm sure you can all guess who that is. Overall though, Greenville is still on fire and nobody can doubt that.

No Volkswagen for South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, etc: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080423/BUSINESS/80423051 I'm surpised North Carolina is out of it. Not suprised South Carolina is with BMW's recent announcement.

I still see tons of people driving their empty SUV's and trucks around. Guess gas prices aren't high enough. They need to go higher. Well looky here and it's an Exxon gas station too:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/001-9.jpg

I still see tons of people driving their empty SUV's and trucks around. Guess gas prices aren't high enough. They need to go higher. Well looky here and it's an Exxon gas station too:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/001-9.jpg

Can you say price gouging? This is the same drill the oil companies have used over and over. Raise prices then drop them back down to a higher price than they were before but everyone will be happy. Oil companies are not dumb.

^^The funny thing is the Ingles less than a block away was $3.33. :lol: I refuse to shop at any gas station with the name Exxon-Mobil. :puke:

Gas companies are killing us with their prices.

Gas companies are killing us with their prices.

[rant]
It's our government's fault for continuing to rely on the Middle East for oil all of these years. The amount of oil in the Gulf of Mexico is supposedly very large, yet we refuse to drill there. We could also drill in Alaska, miles away from civilization. Unfortunately, environmental groups' influence prevent us from drilling either of these places. I think that is absolutely ludicrous.

I am all for environmental responsibility, but at some point the decision makers must think about what is best for the country as a whole. I think it's clear that the risk of harming a few rare species of animals is worth it compared to the many problems associated with our dependence on the Middle East for oil.

Developing alternative fuels is great, as is increased public transportation throughout the country, but they are longer-term solutions to our problems. We need short-term solutions, and we need them NOW.
[/end rant]

^^Worth it my ass. How about investing in mass transit. Face it. Our country is addicted to oil and that needs to change. I for one hope they don't drill in Alaska or anywhere else in this country. It's not needed. People just need to quit driving their Hummers and Ford F-250's.

^^Worth it my ass. How about investing in mass transit. Face it. Our country is addicted to oil and that needs to change. I for one hope they don't drill in Alaska or anywhere else in this country. It's not needed. People just need to quit driving their Hummers and Ford F-250's.

As I said, mass transit is not a short-term solution. For many places in the country, it is not a solution at all. The overwhelming majority of people in our country rely on their car to get around, and those people should not have to pay an arm and a leg for gas when we could be drilling in the Gulf of Mexico or Alaska instead. It makes no sense, and you should understand that seeing as how you have taken an economics class. :)

By the way, gas prices would still be through the roof even if we all drove hybrids.

As I said, mass transit is not a short-term solution. For many places in the country, it is not a solution at all. The overwhelming majority of people in our country rely on their car to get around, and those people should not have to pay an arm and a leg for gas when we could be drilling in the Gulf of Mexico or Alaska instead. It makes no sense, and you should understand that seeing as how you have taken an economics class. :)

By the way, gas prices would still be through the roof even if we all drove hybrids.

But then highrises would get built. We can't let that happen now can we? :lol: Bob Ellis would flip his sh*t. :D

^^ THIS old guy said He would give You a skyscraper " if You would agree to be His b*tch.... "

http://www.jankovsky.net/Uncle_Sam_.jpg

(www.jankovsky.net)

^^I can't see the picture. It's just a red X. :rant: :cry:

This is on the front page of USA Today's website right now: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-04-27-family-slain_N.htm How come everytime this state makes national headlines, it's always for something bad? :ohno: This sad part is I live in the same city this incident happened in.

This is on the front page of USA Today's website right now: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-04-27-family-slain_N.htm How come everytime this state makes national headlines, it's always for something bad? :ohno: This sad part is I live in the same city this incident happened in.

Very sad story, indeed. At least the article mentioned that it was in a suburban area 15 miles west of Greenville. :)

I can't get no satisfaction. :rock: :righton: :cry: :pet:

Raleigh-NC, why did you have to eat all of the Greenville forum members? :dunno:

Anybody that went to the Drive game this past Saturday night that still has their ticket stub can exchange it at the box office for any future game for free. This is due to the fact that the game didn't start until 9pm thanks to a rain delay. You won't see this at any other ballpark. :) Two games for the price of one.

Seeing how people won't post development news, I guess i'll just go off topic for a little bit. :master: :master: A little over 4 hours 30 minutes until biggest entertainment release ever: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_hi_te/games_gta_iv_launch;_ylt=Aj11ZjzUVcUIWd2YpW7rbqKs0NUE Take that you f-cking critics. :D

g-man, you spend too much time to the suburbs, I think. Greenville forumers hang out downtown ;)

g-man, you spend too much time to the suburbs, I think. Greenville forumers hang out downtown ;)

But look at the top of today's State newspaper cover: http://www.thestateonline.com/news/fronts/a1.pdf :D

:lol: Just for Greenville the forum member-

Embarrassing medical exams

1. A man comes into the ER and yells, "My wife's going to have her baby in the cab!" I grabbed my stuff, rushed out to the cab, lifted the lady's dress, and began to take off her underwear. Suddenly, I noticed that there were several cabs -- and I was in the wrong one.

Submitted by Dr. Mark MacDonald, San Antonio , TX .

2. At the beginning of my shift, I placed a stethoscope on an elderly and slightly deaf female patient's anterior chest wall. "Big breaths," I instructed. "Yes, they used to be," replied the patient.

Submitted by Dr. Richard Byrnes, Seattle , WA

3. One day I had to be the bearer of bad news when I told a wife that her husband had died of a massive myocardial infarct. Not more than five minutes later, I heard her reporting to the rest of the family that he had died of a "massive internal fart."

Submitted by Dr. Susan Steinber

4. During a patient's two week follow-up appointment with his cardiologist, he informed me, his doctor, that he was having trouble with one of his medications. "Which one?" I asked. "The patch, the nurse told me to put on a new one every six hours, and now I'm running out of places to put it!" I had him quickly undress, and discovered what I hoped I wouldn't see. Yes, the man had over fifty patches on his body! Now, the instructions include removal of the old patch before applying a new one.

Submitted by Dr. Rebecca St. Clair, Norfolk , VA

5. While acquainting myself with a new elderly patient, I asked, "How long have you been bedridden?" After a look of complete confusion, she answered "Why, not for about twenty years -- when my husband was alive."

Submitted by Dr. Steven Swanson, Corvallis , OR

6. I was caring for a woman and asked, "So, how's your breakfast this morning?" "It's very good, except for the Kentucky Jelly. I can't seem to get used to the taste," the patient replied. I then asked to see the jelly, and the woman produced a foil packet labeled "KY Jelly."

Submitted by Dr. Leonard Kransdorf, Detroit , MI

7. A nurse was on duty in the emergency room when a young woman with purple hair styled into a punk rocker mohawk, sporting a variety of tattoos, and wearing strange clothing, entered. It was quickly determined that the patient had acute appendicitis, so she was scheduled for immediate surgery. When she was completely disrobed on the operating table, the staff noticed that her pubic hair had been dyed green, and above it there was a tattoo that read, "Keep off the grass." Once the surgery was completed, the surgeon wrote a short note on the patient's dressing, which said, "Sorry, had to mow the lawn."

Submitted by RN, no name

AND FINALLY!!!.. . .. ...

8. As a new, young MD doing his residency in OB , I was quite embarrassed when performing female pelvic exams. To cover my embarrassment, I had unconsciously formed a habit of whistling softly. The middle-aged lady upon whom I was performing this exam suddenly burst out laughing and further embarrassing me. I looked up from my work and sheepishly said,
>>>"I'm sorry. Was I tickling you?" She replied, "No doctor, but the song you were whistling was, "I wish I was an Oscar Meyer Wiener."

Doctor wouldn't submit his name (Can't blame him!)

Is Jim Anthony an idiot? Yes. The comments at the bottom of this article would seem to agree with me: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080429/BUSINESS/304290002 I'm sad. :( Nobody is on the forum anymore. :pet:

5. While acquainting myself with a new elderly patient, I asked, "How long have you been bedridden?" After a look of complete confusion, she answered "Why, not for about twenty years -- when my husband was alive."

:lol:


I was caring for a woman and asked, "So, how's your breakfast this morning?" "It's very good, except for the Kentucky Jelly. I can't seem to get used to the taste," the patient replied. I then asked to see the jelly, and the woman produced a foil packet labeled "KY Jelly."

Kentucky Jelly! LOL! :rofl:


A nurse was on duty in the emergency room when a young woman with purple hair styled into a punk rocker mohawk, sporting a variety of tattoos, and wearing strange clothing, entered. It was quickly determined that the patient had acute appendicitis, so she was scheduled for immediate surgery. When she was completely disrobed on the operating table, the staff noticed that her pubic hair had been dyed green, and above it there was a tattoo that read, "Keep off the grass." Once the surgery was completed, the surgeon wrote a short note on the patient's dressing, which said, "Sorry, had to mow the lawn."

"Keep off the grass?!?" :ohno: I suppose that's better than a stop sign tattooed there!


8. As a new, young MD doing his residency in OB , I was quite embarrassed when performing female pelvic exams. To cover my embarrassment, I had unconsciously formed a habit of whistling softly. The middle-aged lady upon whom I was performing this exam suddenly burst out laughing and further embarrassing me. I looked up from my work and sheepishly said,
>>>"I'm sorry. Was I tickling you?" She replied, "No doctor, but the song you were whistling was, "I wish I was an Oscar Meyer Wiener."

That guy would have already done plenty of pelvic exams by the time he started residency. If he were still embarrassed at that point, perhaps he chose the wrong specialty...

Hilarious that he was whistling that song! :lol:

P.S. Thanks for posting these, g-man! :)

Definitely funny stuff :lol:

Thanks guys. :D Magnolia Park Town Center: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080429/BUSINESS/80429052

So, is MPTC still set for Fall 2009 then? :dunno:

I am so confused. :cry: I thought the 375-room hotel at MPTC was dead. According to the G-News article, it's still in the works. :dunno: What the fudge is going on around here? The developers keep changing their plans and I can't keep up. :rant:

Erm1981, you need to post those pics you took of the Carolina First headquarters on here. :) Oh, and why do some people seem to think this new headquarters isn't going to have any workers just because their stock dropped a little? :ohno:

As you wish....

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Thanks man. :okay: Looking nice and loving the glass. :cool: Glad to see Allegiant post a profit unlike most other airlines: http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080501/NRSTAFF/830747540 This means they should be around for a good while to come. :)

:lol: Well it's about time he admitted it: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-05-01-bush-missionaccomplished_N.htm

Yes, 'Mission Accomplished" indeed. Everything is made in China/India/Paquistan/Vietnam/Mexico/etc, gas prices go up every day, food prices go up every day, there are no jobs, inflation on the rise, skyrocketing foreclosures, weak dollar, illegals everywhere, 4000+ dead because of a non-justifiable and so-called 'war' ..... I can go on and on all day .... there is no light at the end of the tunnel .... so brace yourself for even worse days .... sad but true ....

I still can't figure out why people support this man? Are they retarted or something? :nuts: :dunno:

:wave: Bye Bye Bush: http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-05-01-reading-first_N.htm and http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/01/poll-bush-most-unpopular-in-modern-history/

:lol: Well it's about time he admitted it: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-05-01-bush-missionaccomplished_N.htm

Yes, 'Mission Accomplished" indeed. Everything is made in China/India/Paquistan/Vietnam/Mexico/etc, gas prices go up every day, food prices go up every day, there are no jobs, inflation on the rise, skyrocketing foreclosures, weak dollar, illegals everywhere, 4000+ dead because of a non-justifiable and so-called 'war' ..... I can go on and on all day .... there is no light at the end of the tunnel .... so brace yourself for even worse days .... sad but true ....

I still can't figure out why people support this man? Are they retarted or something? :nuts: :dunno:

It has been and could be worse.

I'm still trying to figure out why people on urbanplanet think i'm the other g-man? :nuts: I swear I am not that guy. I believe the Carolina First headquarters will be full of jobs when completed. :) Go ahead and think it's me though. That way he'll get banned and I won't have to listen to his b*tching anymore.

That guy does bitch a lot.

That guy does bitch a lot.

Speaking of bitching, the Columbia forumers are at it again UP... Vic set them off this time. We really need to stop being jealous of the state capital, guys. I mean: their wide streets that aren't pedestrian friendly (Assembly- mainly dangerous I should say), large university that rules the town, seat of state government, three 'great' rivers, and wonderful heat and humidity... I'm green with envy right now. :omg: [end sarcasm]

^To be fair, there's a little "jealousy" (loosely speaking) towards Columbia concerning its ability to get towers built (with the help of an out-of-town developer)--which is part of what started the present "spat" over there. And if there's not some jealousy towards Greenville for Main Street on the part of some Columbians, then there certainly should be. Neither city is perfect, but each could learn from the other in some respects--no matter how some in both camps would vehemently deny that fact.

Let me guess: it involves Holder Properties. Why can't some of the Columbia forumers just accept the fact that Holder Properties might want to build a highrise in downtown Greenville? :dunno:

This is a pretty cool article: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/goodliving/orl-southerntide08may01,0,7278955.story

Look what I got in the mail yesterday. I'm volunteering again this year but I have a BMW Manufacturing 18th hole skybox pass. I get one every year. Don't ask how. It's a secret:

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http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh303/g-man435/003-9.jpg

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It is NOT a Marriott at the Point Erm1981. It will be a six story Hilton Garden Inn that will have 125 rooms. Erm1981, how are you working on the Carolina First headquarters if you're a brick mason? I don't see any brick on those buildings. :dunno: Speaking of Carolina First, show this to the other g-man just to shut him up once at for all: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080502/BUSINESS/80502022

:lol: You guys are soo lost in this thread I don't even know where to start: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/CONSTUCTION-THREAD-Mario-t46158.html

There is no Marriott hotel being built at the Point. It will be a Hilton Garden Inn. The one almost complete next to it is a Homewood Suites by Hilton. Springhill Suites is already built next to Indigo Joes.

Let me guess: it involves Holder Properties. Why can't some of the Columbia forumers just accept the fact that Holder Properties might want to build a highrise in downtown Greenville? :dunno:

Not this particular spat GvilleSC is referring to.

But I think it would be great if Holder were to build a tower in downtown Greenville. Greenville's gain is not Columbia's loss.

Not this particular spat GvilleSC is referring to.

But I think it would be great if Holder were to build a tower in downtown Greenville. Greenville's gain is not Columbia's loss.

What spat is he talking about? I obviously missed something. PM me if you need to GvilleSC. :lol:

What spat is he talking about? I obviously missed something. PM me if you need to GvilleSC. :lol:

:lol: You don't read the Columbia forum do you? I try to keep up with all the happenings in the South Carolina section. Anyway, it's in the Main Street Developments Thread. The juicy stuff posted by Firefox got deleted, though it was really just an overly sensitive reaction to Vicupstate's analysis of Main Street Columbia's history and struggles currently.

:lol: You don't read the Columbia forum do you? I try to keep up with all the happenings in the South Carolina section. Anyway, it's in the Main Street Developments Thread. The juicy stuff posted by Firefox got deleted, though it was really just an overly sensitive reaction to Vicupstate's analysis of Main Street Columbia's history and struggles currently.

I do but it must of gotten deleted before I was able to read it. :lol: I wouldn't say their Main Street is struggling but it definitely isn't on fire like Greenville's. The problem with Columbia is their urban areas aren't downtown. There is nothing wrong with that, but I would much rather have the people come downtown than rather out to the suburbs like they do in Charleston or Greenville. It just brings more money into the city and is overall healthier for the area's economy. Why doesn't the City of Columbia do like Greenville did in the 1980's with the revitalization of Main Street to draw retail/restaurant tenants? It's taken a long time for us to get national tenants downtown but it's starting to work with things like Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, and possibly Border's.

I do but it must of gotten deleted before I was able to read it. :lol: I wouldn't say their Main Street is struggling but it definitely isn't on fire like Greenville's. The problem with Columbia is their urban areas aren't downtown. There is nothing wrong with that, but I would much rather have the people come downtown than rather out to the suburbs like they do in Charleston or Greenville. It just brings more money into the city and is overall healthier for the area's economy. Why doesn't the City of Columbia do like Greenville did in the 1980's with the revitalization of Main Street to draw retail/restaurant tenants? It's taken a long time for us to get national tenants downtown but it's starting to work with things like Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, and possibly Border's.

I agree, Greenville has done a great job! We have a lot to be proud of. :)

Another thing I happened to notice about Columbia when I was visiting last year is that the main street has lots of big buildings which do not contain any kind of street level retail. I know that they are trying to fix this and I believe their vista area is kind of like our main street area.

I didnt mention it on SSC yet but the new Marriot hotel beside the Hilton at the point is about to start constuction. Strange brothers has a site preperation sign up now and there are two huge trackhoes on site. Ill get some pictures monday of them tearing the ground up when I leave work.

Another thing I happened to notice about Columbia when I was visiting last year is that the main street has lots of big buildings which do not contain any kind of street level retail. I know that they are trying to fix this and I believe their vista area is kind of like our main street area.

Yes, the majority of the towers along Main have not done a good job at making their bases pedestrian-friendly. That's changing though, little by little. Meridian (the tower with the green windows and the curved top) has a restaurant at the ground level, the proposed tower by Holder is supposed to have a restaurant and bank branch at street level, and Wachovia will renovate an existing tower for its state headquarters and will install clear glass on the ground floor and make it more interactive and interesting from a pedestrian standpoint.

And the Vista is a bit more comparable to the West End. They have pretty similar flavors, both being historic rehabbed warehouse districts.