But we could say we have a beltway.

Infoman, you need to join this forum too: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/Greenville-f223.html Metro'm is going to love you. Trust me. ;)

i used to like urban planet until they changed the apperance around it looks bad now.

Infoman, you need to join this forum too: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/Greenville-f223.html Metro'm is going to love you. Trust me. ;)

:rofl:

ROTFLMAO

Good advise G-Man....for once you say something meaningful..:lol:

Just ask for metro by name when you join infoman

You tell me the two retailers for Magnolia Park and i'll tell you about the site plan I have. Just PM me. :) Oh and thanks Tarheelscubs. :D

:rofl:

Love the discussion we're having these last few days, guys!

for real so youll tell show the site plan (and only me) god deal. I want the site plan first because I don't trust you. lol

double post.

does it include all the store names?

I can't show you the site plan. I said I could tell you about it. There are no store names listed on it but I can make out several of the large anchors.

:rofl:

Love the discussion we're having these last few days, guys!

At least the forum is busy once again. :D

Metro acts like a spoiled little rich kid that didnt get something he wanted.

These threads have booming because of me and g-man did you get message.

Are you G-man's brother???Did you join urbanplanet yet? monsoon will love you. All you have to do is just disagree with him....lol

I HATE Urban Planet.

Are you G-man's brother???Did you join urbanplanet yet? monsoon will love you. All you have to do is just disagree with him....lol

I don't have a brother. I thought he was yours. :dunno: Maybe Distortedlogic's? :lol:

No.....but monsoon would love him very much.....brotherly love. Is he StevenW?

Nope. He's not. I have updated site plan for Magnolia Park.

The new site plan is dated May 12, 2008. Everything looks the same except office space has been added above both parking garages next to I-385. 375,000 square feet of office space in both of those buildings combined according to pdf file I received from Furman Co. who is leasing the office space there. It will be the largest mixed-use destination in the state according to the document. :)

No.....but monsoon would love him very much.....brotherly love. Is he StevenW?

:lol: Monsoon thinks Myrtle Beach is God's gift to South Carolina. If there's one reason to hate MB, it's because Monsoon thinks it's so great. :lol:

:lol: Monsoon thinks Myrtle Beach is God's gift to South Carolina. If there's one reason to hate MB, it's because Monsoon thinks it's so great. :lol:

I refuse to call him monsoon. His name is Metro'm. Get it right. :D

I refuse to call him monsoon. His name is Metro'm. Get it right. :D

Why'd he change it? Does he think it's fooling us? If everyone hated me, I might change mine, too, I guess.

Why'd he change it? Does he think it's fooling us? If everyone hated me, I might change mine, too, I guess.

He banned me a year ago for following the rules. :nuts: Don't remind me. :cry:

G-MAN got banned thats why you seemed to stop posting haha.

Yeah, monsoon thinks Charlotte and Myrtle Beach are panaceas. Plus, he seems to dislike Greenville for some reason. I could accept that if he were respectful of other posters, but he is not. His little power trips are pathetic and sad. He is the main reason why I rarely post in the South Carolina forum there.

then why do you guys think I will like him I would end having a word-fight with him.

Because we love to see people get upset with the guy. :lol: (as long as you're accurate in your assertions, it makes for fun spectating because we're all thinking it...)

Oh

Ok well....I about went off in one of the post where I said something good about Greer's growth and he said it was pretty insignificant and brought up myrtle beach. I could care less about his pointless views. He does offend people quite often. I think he also offended G-man because I remember reading the conversation the two of them had. He probably has some central command center down in the basement of his house from which he runs Urban planet from. Kind of like the guy in the last Die hard movie had up in his attick.

Where is he from and why does he hate sc. does hate sc or is he jealous of it?

Where is he from and why does he hate sc. does hate sc or is he jealous of it?

He is a Charlotte homer like many of the UP folks (I think UP was originally a Charlotte forum). He grew up in Myrtle Beach, so he is also biased toward it. From what I can gather, he seems to have a relatively low opinion of the rest of SC (especially Greenville for some reason). Oh well, to each his own. :)

You mean there are people that actually live in Myrtle Beach? If never see MB again it will be too soon.

MB is fairly redneck if you ask me.

A lot of the visitors are of the "redneck" variety. However, MB's population boom is mostly fueled by Northern and halfback retirees.

BIG NEWS WE HAVE GOOGLE STREET VIEW YES BITCH.

BIG NEWS WE HAVE GOOGLE STREET VIEW YES BITCH.

I noticed. It's fairly new too. A few months ago, my parents had a new deck put on their house and the sign advertising their business is out front.

this is good because remeber i live in greenville, nc. i just went up there like two days ago and it wasnt up there so now wow.

Welcome to the preview of the new CU-ICAR site: http://www.cu-icar.com/

The ambitious vision to build a mega-center of automotive, motorsports, aerospace and mobility expertise is now a thriving reality: CU-ICAR is ready for business. We invite you to become a part of the exciting future we are building here at CU-ICAR!

A new site is being developed and plans to launch this summer. In the meantime, a preview of the new look is here.

Metro is probably getting off with all this talk about him. He does view this board.

Have you ever noticed that all his post at Urban Planet are negative? He never posts anything positive....even about Charlotte.

I for one love Urban Planet. But dislike metro very much. I post there rarely...just read. It is the best place for Charlotte updates. But duboner has pretty much turned into metro. He deleted one of my post the other week because it was a one liner! Does that sound like metro or what??? :bash:

Stop global warming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAvabbodFi8&feature=related

I think UP was originally a Charlotte forum
Not really important, but UP was created by some Charlotte and Atlanta forumers who were angry at SSP. The first name was SkysraperAmerica.com, but changed later, to put emphasis on the urbanity instead of the skylines. I remember those days pretty well ;)

Welcome to the preview of the new CU-ICAR site: http://www.cu-icar.com/

The ambitious vision to build a mega-center of automotive, motorsports, aerospace and mobility expertise is now a thriving reality: CU-ICAR is ready for business. We invite you to become a part of the exciting future we are building here at CU-ICAR!

A new site is being developed and plans to launch this summer. In the meantime, a preview of the new look is here.
Thanks for link. The photo gallery of the campus is on the right, and offers some awesome pictures. I highly suggest checking it out. :)

Here are the results of the "20 Favorite Structures in Greenville" vote:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080611/LIFE/80610015

(You will really like this GvilleSC, g-man430, and Infoman). :)

you gut there before I did.

I thought our econmy was bad but they are steal building new homes :lol:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080611/BUSINESS/806110374/1003

Here are the results of the "20 Favorite Structures in Greenville" vote:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080611/LIFE/80610015

(You will really like this GvilleSC, g-man430, and Infoman). :)

Bo Garland emailed me a few weeks ago and told me about it. I decided to vote. I chose some of the ones that won. :) A rare retailer that doesn't even exist in Raleigh, Nashville, or in the state of South Carolina until now has opened at Haywood Mall: http://www.bareescentuals.com/stores/boutiques.html#sc Another first in the state for us. :D I also noticed when I was at the mall earlier today that there was only one vacany in the entire retail section of the mall and this was a spot next to Border's Express. The good news is interior renovations were underway inside the spot which means it will soon be filled by another new retailer. There was still one or two vacancies in the food court that need to be filled.

Thanks for link. The photo gallery of the campus is on the right, and offers some awesome pictures. I highly suggest checking it out. :)
I liked the second photo that shows the skyline :)

g-man, why don't you drive here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnGAy9K6QOg&feature=related) to get your car washed?

That's a beautiful car they're washing. ;) Also, Skyliner is back. YES, YES, YES. :banana: I feel like I just won the lottery. Somebody slap me. Where did you have him Raleigh-NC? Don't tell me you stuck him in the closet like I did with cityboi. :D

I liked the second photo that shows the skyline :)

I love that photo, too. I actually have that exact picture framed and hanging on my wall. :)

FYI, I am loving the picture of the woman on the bottom row in the fourth position from the left in today's "Croatia says hello" banner (top of the page). :applause:

Is that your girlfriend? :naughty: :lol: I've known Justin Lee since I was like 10 years old. I used to live only a few houses down from him: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080611/NEWS01/80611022/1004/NEWS01&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL I for one hope they find this freak before I do. If I find him first then he'll get to meet a baseball bat to the face.

I was gone for a min. Thats good about the store at Haywood Mall. Which anchor is the most unuseful to me sears. I wish they would replace it with nordstrom but they currently arent planning any stores in sc.

I was gone for a min. Thats good about the store at Haywood Mall. Which anchor is the most unuseful to me sears. I wish they would replace it with nordstrom but they currently arent planning any stores in sc.

I couldn't agree with you more. I have been saying the same thing for years. That store is a dump in a high-end mall and should be replaced with Nordstrom or Saks Fifth Avenue. Too bad Greenville doesn't fit their demographics yet. :(

There was just a story on WYFF that some women are starting to get facials by using bird droppings. :wtf: :hm:

Here are the results of the "20 Favorite Structures in Greenville" vote:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080611/LIFE/80610015

(You will really like this GvilleSC, g-man430, and Infoman). :)

Thanks for the link! I actually went and looked at the exhibit that was on display at the library after you informed me of it. It was very well done, I thought.

Thanks for the link! I actually went and looked at the exhibit that was on display at the library after you informed me of it. It was very well done, I thought.

Oh, that's great! I thought you would enjoy it if you had a chance to see it.

Is that your girlfriend? :naughty: :lol:

Not yet. ;)

I know we can support a Nordstrom Rack. in addition to that Maryland has lots of Nordstroms some times I think that they overlook demographics. does anyone know the demographics to get one.

I know we can support a Nordstrom Rack. in addition to that Maryland has lots of Nordstroms some times I think that they overlook demographics. does anyone know the demographics to get one.

I'm not sure, but it would be interesting to know what their requirements are. We certainly have the population and regional mall status to support a Nordstrom, but I don't know if we have the necessary per capita income they are looking for.

If not Nordstrom, what about Nieman-Marcus? Do you think their requirements might be slightly less?

I totally agree that Sears needs to be replaced with something better. We already have JC Penney for the lower-end stuff, Belk a little higher up the ladder, and Dillard's and Macy's a step up from that. Now we just need a crown jewel. :)

Here are the results of the "20 Favorite Structures in Greenville" vote:

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080611/LIFE/80610015

(You will really like this GvilleSC, g-man430, and Infoman). :)

The article says the name of the list is the "20 Favorite Buildings in Greenville," but perhaps it should have been "20 Favorite Structures in Greenville" since two bridges made the list. I'm also a bit surprised the Peace Center ranked above the Poinsett Building. I suppose the former is more visited by residents than the latter. But if we're primarily talking about architecture, there would be no competition.

If not Nordstrom, what about Nieman-Marcus? Do you think their requirements might be slightly less?

More. I could find a thing or two to buy in Nordstrom, but it's strictly window shopping for me at Nieman. :)

Nemian-Marcus demographics are higher than Nordstroms. Nordstrom is a strange store to me (location wise). They located in Southpark mall in durham, nc but not raleigh. I know Raleigh has better demographics than Durham.

SLEEPY ME REPORT:

I belive that Magnolia Park Town Center will have a theme similar to North Hills Mall in Raleigh. Do you guys know the population predicted by 2030 on the clemson upstate will look like atlanta report, I dont think it said it but it has to be over 2.2 million (I hope). I was looking at google street-view and it took them a long time to do this because I was looking at a gas station prices and it said 2.77 wish those days were back greenville economy would be booming even harder. Whats the most upscale road in greenville? I know I have a lot of questions but they have to be answered so I can finish emaling these companies. To me haywood mall looks has a nice inside (pretty upscale), but the outside throws it off making it look bad it needs to get fixed badly. When I went there in March my mother thought the mall would look even craper than mall in Greenville, NC but when we went in we were like WTF this is alright. I can tell what road is the next hot road it just has to be to much action going on around it you guys know Laurens Road, so many new jobs are coming to that area CU-ICAR 20,000 new jobs, Verdae 15,000, Millienum Campus (unknown but im saying over 20,000 new jobs to many towers not be), carolina first campus (over 2,000 i think when finished), New St. Francis Hospital (at least 1,000 new jobs, the point (if it goes through still) +10,000 new jobs, Magnolia Park over 1,500 new jobs anything else so far this total 68,500 new jobs that seems like to much but correct me if im wrong. That means this will be the Carolinas 2nd largest business district and our 2nd major business district with that there only two cities (to me) that have 2 business districts in the carolinas Charlotte, and Us. Verdae will have upscale stores and this could bring farther than Raleigh has come (i hope once agian), im tired so lots of the stuff im typing is random. But I think that Greenville County population number in 2035 is a off by a lot only 173,000 new residents Wow not a lot well yes it is but you guys know what I mean I mean southern Greenville County has enough room to create a entirely new Greenville (land wise). to me it should be at least 250,000 new residents. plus by that time cuicar will be finished and it would of have to attract a new major automobile company (I hope they make a car that dosent use gas lol and thats all they make). Downtown should have a larger skyline by then, maybe midtown would be building up, Uptown for shore would be the cities largest district.

Nemian-Marcus demographics are higher than Nordstroms. Nordstrom is a strange store to me (location wise). They located in Southpark mall in durham, nc but not raleigh. I know Raleigh has better demographics than Durham.

Yeah. It is strange. :nuts: It's kind of like them locating in West Gate Mall in Spartanburg instead of Haywood Mall in Greenville. I've been to that mall in Durham. Very nice. :) Charleston and Hilton Head even have a Saks Fifth Avenue. No reason Greenville couldn't especially if the tourism picks up. Verdae and Magnolia Park should help that cause too.

SLEEPY ME REPORT:

I belive that Magnolia Park Town Center will have a theme similar to North Hills Mall in Raleigh. Do you guys know the population predicted by 2030 on the clemson upstate will look like atlanta report, I dont think it said it but it has to be over 2.2 million (I hope). I was looking at google street-view and it took them a long time to do this because I was looking at a gas station prices and it said 2.77 wish those days were back greenville economy would be booming even harder. Whats the most upscale road in greenville? I know I have a lot of questions but they have to be answered so I can finish emaling these companies. To me haywood mall looks has a nice inside (pretty upscale), but the outside throws it off making it look bad it needs to get fixed badly. When I went there in March my mother thought the mall would look even craper than mall in Greenville, NC but when we went in we were like WTF this is alright. I can tell what road is the next hot road it just has to be to much action going on around it you guys know Laurens Road, so many new jobs are coming to that area CU-ICAR 20,000 new jobs, Verdae 15,000, Millienum Campus (unknown but im saying over 20,000 new jobs to many towers not be), carolina first campus (over 2,000 i think when finished), New St. Francis Hospital (at least 1,000 new jobs, the point (if it goes through still) +10,000 new jobs, Magnolia Park over 1,500 new jobs anything else so far this total 68,500 new jobs that seems like to much but correct me if im wrong. That means this will be the Carolinas 2nd largest business district and our 2nd major business district with that there only two cities (to me) that have 2 business districts in the carolinas Charlotte, and Us. Verdae will have upscale stores and this could bring farther than Raleigh has come (i hope once agian), im tired so lots of the stuff im typing is random. But I think that Greenville County population number in 2035 is a off by a lot only 173,000 new residents Wow not a lot well yes it is but you guys know what I mean I mean southern Greenville County has enough room to create a entirely new Greenville (land wise). to me it should be at least 250,000 new residents. plus by that time cuicar will be finished and it would of have to attract a new major automobile company (I hope they make a car that dosent use gas lol and thats all they make). Downtown should have a larger skyline by then, maybe midtown would be building up, Uptown for shore would be the cities largest district.

The most upscale? That's a tough one. I would give it to either Woodruff or Haywood Roads. You could even throw in Main Street with all of the high-end restaurants. Verdae Blvd. could be added in the near future with the expensive homes going in there. Haywood Mall is one of those "don't judge a book by its cover" places. Most of the jobs created you had listed are correct except for Magnolia Park. I highly doubt you will see 1,500 jobs come out of it. More like 500 would seem right. Don't forget about RTP in Raleigh. That is fairly large and in charge. :D No doubt Verdae's expensive homes and CU-ICAR along with Millennium Campus and Carolina First headquarters will help Menin attract high-end retailers/restaurants to their development.

Why I am flying out of Atlanta in August over GSP: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080612/BUSINESS/806120308/1003 Our airport sucks. It's a piece of sh*t.

Why I am flying out of Atlanta in August over GSP: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080612/BUSINESS/806120308/1003 Our airport sucks. It's a piece of sh*t.

I would hardly say GSP Int'l "sucks." In many ways, it is great because of its accessibility. The parking is very close to the airport, lines aren't usually too bad, security is a cinch compared to the huge airports, and planes are almost always on time. When compared to Atlanta, the busiest airport in the world, GSP shines.

I agree that we need to do something about prices. A low-cost carrier is the obvious choice. AirTran is obviously making the difference for Charleston's numbers. Why were they able to get AirTran and we weren't? I remember last year when there was a huge local campaign in Charleston for people to "vote" for Charleston on the AirTran web site. Evidently, AirTran had chosen 20-40 cities they were considering for expansion and the winners would be chosen based on the results. Greenville was not a choice. Was that AirTran's fault or the fault of GSP's management? Either way, it sucks for us.

Allegiant fills a void, that's for sure. But we need more. The grant to lure Frontier failed. AirTran was not an option, based on the voting on their web site. JetBlue was rumored to be arriving at GSP last year, but that never happened. I haven't heard a word about Southwest airlines.

It might be difficult, but this is something we should try to organize locally. You know, have some sort of citizen-fueled campaign to show how many people here would fly on a low-cost carrier. We could have a petition people could sign. We could be sure to have media outlets like Greenville News, WYFF, WSPA, and radio stations publicize it. It might not work, but then again you never know.

What I have never understood is why airlines aren't extremely eager to offer service at GSP. The airport serves a metro area of over 1 million people, and has the potential to draw from the Columbia area as well if prices are competitive. We have had outstanding passenger numbers for low-cost carriers compared to other cities (e.g., Independence Air, Allegiant Air).

Many people like to blame it on our proximity to Atlanta and Charlotte. We might be within a 2-hour drive from those cities, but those airports aren't the reason we can't get a low-cost carrier. Those airports are a reason why we are missing out on 30% of the potential air travel in the upstate.

I didn't mean to ramble so much. The point is that we must do something. We deserve better when it comes to flight prices and destinations.

Tickets are expensive. It's boring. There are no restaurants except for one that costs an arm and a leg. Did I mention tickets are expensive? The elevator music they play puts me to sleep. There are no low-cost carriers except for the one that only flies to Florida. Planes are only on time 75% of the time, which is terrible for such a small airport. The airport and this community won't give any airline like JetBlue or Southwest tax incentives to come here. Like i've been saying, it will be five years before we get a true low-cost carrier. Omaha's airport has restaurants, 20 gates at least if not more, Southwest and Frontier, low ticket prices, etc. What does GSP have? Oh and it's going to cost me $600 less to fly out of Atlanta over GSP on Delta.

Easley Town Center will have of 1,000 new jobs why cant MPTC not have 1500 new jobs it will have a 6 level office building housing at least 150 works itself it has to be over Easley Town Center.

GSP needs more gates it only has 10 I think, the price of a ticket is very high I guess because it is considered to be close to 2 major airports, I think they said that they were going to expand it by like 15 gates I have a rendering of the exspanison on my other computer (but its broke).

also G-man youre right I bet they would locate to Westgate before Haywood Mall. But to me Westgate has a better exterior but I have never seen the inside, does anyone have pics that they can show us of there mall.

Easley Town Center will have of 1,000 new jobs why cant MPTC not have 1500 new jobs it will have a 6 level office building housing at least 150 works itself it has to be over Easley Town Center.

Who said it was going to have a six level office building? I don't see that listed anywhere. :dunno: Easley Town Center could have more jobs because the stores there will hire more workers. I'm pretty certain a Walmart hires more than a Cheesecake Factory.

look back a few pages (nomore than 20 pages back) and it tells you about it. it says there is a major demand for a office building in the area so they are planning one.

look back a few pages (nomore than 20 pages back) and it tells you about it. it says there is a major demand for a office building in the area so they are planning one.

Pay attention blueberry. :D They're planning two. They'll be above both parking garages next to I-385. 375,000 square feet in all. The office space above retail still remains. My site plan is from May 12, 2008.

Now you remeber, so it has to 6 level office buildings

I never said they would be six stories tall each. It depends on how much of it they get filled. I think it's also designed so they could build the parking garages first then come back and put the office component above them in the future.

but one of them will be 6 stories because they said it will be 6 levels.

Where did they say that? I want cold hard evidence. Donuts are good. :nocrook:

so g-man what do you think our 2035 population. (upstate region)

alright you want war huh well say hello to my little friend. lol I ll find it

I'm just kidding silly. :lol: It says it in this article: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080429/BUSINESS/80429052/0/NEWS01 There will still be two office buildings though. :) Our population is going to be bigger in 2035 than now. That's what I think. Isn't that amazing? :D

I didnt notice that there will be that much space at Verdae
The Verdae master plan calls for nearly 4,700 homes, 1.7 million square feet of shopping and up to 1.75 million square feet of office space over 25 years between Interstate 85 and Laurens and Woodruff roads

I didnt notice that there will be that much space at Verdae
The Verdae master plan calls for nearly 4,700 homes, 1.7 million square feet of shopping and up to 1.75 million square feet of office space over 25 years between Interstate 85 and Laurens and Woodruff roads.

Tickets are expensive. It's boring. There are no restaurants except for one that costs an arm and a leg. Did I mention tickets are expensive? The elevator music they play puts me to sleep. There are no low-cost carriers except for the one that only flies to Florida. Planes are only on time 75% of the time, which is terrible for such a small airport. The airport and this community won't give any airline like JetBlue or Southwest tax incentives to come here. Like i've been saying, it will be five years before we get a true low-cost carrier. Omaha's airport has restaurants, 20 gates at least if not more, Southwest and Frontier, low ticket prices, etc. What does GSP have? Oh and it's going to cost me $600 less to fly out of Atlanta over GSP on Delta.

Do you camp out at the airport or something? Are you one of those people who arrives hours before their flight? :lol: I'm not one of those people, so by the time I check in, go through security, and get to my gate it's not usually more than 30 minutes until boarding. That's just enough time to grab something to drink, use the bathroom, and watch a few planes come and go.

Think about the airports that have a lot of the "cool stuff" you're talking about. They tend to be large airports, but they also have connections. When you have people killing 1, 2, even 3 hours between flights the demand for more restaurants and retail options increases dramatically. When we become a hub for someone, there will be many improvements to the airport. The airline and the airport will make sure of it.

I agree about high ticket prices at GSP. But you also have to consider convenience. Think about the time wasted to drive to Atlanta or Charlotte. But aside from that even, think about how long it takes to park in a remote lot, take all of your luggage onto a bus or tram, ride to the airport, check in, go through a long security line, perhaps ride another bus or tram to the departure gates, and wait with hundreds of other people for your flight. That adds a lot of time and stress, whereas GSP is easy-in, easy-out. That's worth something, especially for people who travel a lot.

As for low-cost carriers, I would prefer Southwest or JetBlue. Both would open up destinations that we don't currently have. AirTran is okay, but connecting in Atlanta for every flight would get old.

Who said it was going to have a six level office building? I don't see that listed anywhere. :dunno: Easley Town Center could have more jobs because the stores there will hire more workers. I'm pretty certain a Walmart hires more than a Cheesecake Factory.

Exactly, because Easley Town Center will basically be a glorified strip mall. Magnolia Park Town Center will be a true town center, with walkable pedestrian areas, smaller and more exclusive anchor stores, and higher-end specialty stores. Apples and oranges.

Slow down with the posts guys. :lol: I can't keep up. First you don't post enough. Now you're posting too much. :cry: :pet:

Do you camp out at the airport or something? Are you one of those people who arrives hours before their flight? :lol: I'm not one of those people, so by the time I check in, go through security, and get to my gate it's not usually more than 30 minutes until boarding. That's just enough time to grab something to drink, use the bathroom, and watch a few planes come and go.

Think about the airports that have a lot of the "cool stuff" you're talking about. They tend to be large airports, but they also have connections. When you have people killing 1, 2, even 3 hours between flights the demand for more restaurants and retail options increases dramatically. When we become a hub for someone, there will be many improvements to the airport. The airline and the airport will make sure of it.

I agree about high ticket prices at GSP. But you also have to consider convenience. Think about the time wasted to drive to Atlanta or Charlotte. But aside from that even, think about how long it takes to park in a remote lot, take all of your luggage onto a bus or tram, ride to the airport, check in, go through a long security line, perhaps ride another bus or tram to the departure gates, and wait with hundreds of other people for your flight. That adds a lot of time and stress, whereas GSP is easy-in, easy-out. That's worth something, especially for people who travel a lot.

As for low-cost carriers, I would prefer Southwest or JetBlue. Both would open up destinations that we don't currently have. AirTran is okay, but connecting in Atlanta for every flight would get old.

Omaha doesn't have connections. I got through security there in under ten minutes. Arrived only an hour and a half early. They have restaurants and stuff like the other bigger airports have. Can't forget that they have Frontier and Southwest too. Why we don't is still beyond me. At Atlanta's airport, they check your bags where you park for free at least if you're flying Delta and a free tram takes you to the airport entrance. All you need is your carry on. I agree that going through the metal detector takes forever though. I'd still rather sit in line for an hour than pay an extra $600 to fly out of GSP.

Exactly, because Easley Town Center will basically be a glorified strip mall. Magnolia Park Town Center will be a true town center, with walkable pedestrian areas, smaller and more exclusive anchor stores, and higher-end specialty stores. Apples and oranges.

Woohoo. I can't wait. :hug: :D He said apples. You know what that means. Where's my Apple Store? I demand it NOW. :yes:

Woohoo. I can't wait. :hug: :D He said apples. You know what that means. Where's my Apple Store? I demand it NOW. :yes:

:lol:

Apple would be a perfect destination retailer for the Woolworth development. Just saying...

:lol:

Apple would be a perfect destination retailer for the Woolworth development. Just saying...

I told the guy that would be one of the retailers they should try and court to the development. I still think they're going to Magnolia Park though seeing how their completion date is sooner.

;) When is this project going to start construction: http://www.greenbergfarrow.com/expPlan-WoodruffPoint.html Carolina First builds headquarters downtown. McChesney puts their project where Carolina First headquarters is currently going. Oops. Somebody made an uh-oh.

new projects

http://www.realtylinkdev.com/uploads/Developements/SimpsonvilleWoodruff/SimpsonvilleWoodruff.php this is in simsponville

http://www.realtylinkdev.com/uploads/Developements/Eastpointe/Siteplan.pdf this is in Spartanburg (also have you guys thought about creating a Upstate Development Thread we can start it today).

http://www.realtylinkdev.com/uploads/Developements/Greer_Target/Greer_Target.php this is very small Greer project.

http://www.theshoppingcentergroup.com/content/Product-121-1-1585.htm I know G-Ma showed a rendering for it but it had no detail. Simpsonville



http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=15752129&StepID=101&RecentlyViewed=true&ItemIndex=2&PgCxtDir=Down (http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=15752129&StepID=101&RecentlyViewed=true&ItemIndex=2&PgCxtDir=Down) This is pendelton west in Greenville (duh)

Lots of other small projects like these but this is just our little retail report by infoman lol

They're not new infoman. In fact, some of them are almost completed. :poke:

dang I dont live down there how should I know. I know some of them arent new but some people like me dont live there but still wont to know whats going on.

I havent seen a post in the Charlotte Development News in a long time.

Who has a better chance of having a billionarie Raleigh or Greenville (I know it random). But we have the moutains and the exspensive cliffs communties. So im saying Greenville

Who has a better chance of having a billionarie Raleigh or Greenville (I know it random). But we have the moutains and the exspensive cliffs communties. So im saying Greenville

Raleigh is a business superpower with Research Triangle Park. Tons of companies are headquartered there, or have a presence there. It is one of the models Greenville is using in the development of projects like CU-ICAR and the Millennium Campus. :)

So Raleigh, no doubt.

BMW. Ceo most likely has a ton of money.

We have a good amount of companies too.

Which site plan infoman? :dunno:

The one when you said there will be a super target between Furman and Cherrydale dont play dumb with me LOL oh im sorry youre not playing

Man these threads have been booming because of who? oh yeah me

since june 7th theres been 9 pages have been created

send it to me if you can show this one and even if you have it

Site plan: http://www.capllc.com/images/properties/poinsett_gville/Poinsett%20Package.pdf

Thank you G-man

Ritalin.....

so you are saying I need to take medicne im just typing fast because I want to. Theres nothing for me to do. so just calm down typing it please.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/BUSINESS/806130324/1003

Something new for Clemson

BMW is expanding around the US

http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/BUSINESS/806130323/1003

At least continetal airlines will stay with GSP but it dosent matter we have a nice airport with prices that are to damn high, plus the number passangers is falling.

When will the second phase of CU-ICAR start.

:sleepy: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/bought-O-Charleys-Haywo-t46636.html

Im so confused LOL

Copper River Grill apparently. Not sure how that's confusing. :dunno:

Im talking about the locations they say Panera is going in Long Horn then they turn around to B o Brady or whatever its called, etc.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/NEWS01/80613006

Gas prices going down that most be a typo. :lol: :nuts:
in Greenville, NC it is at 3.99 to 4.01
while in Greenville it is 3.81
oh yeah in Raleigh it is 5.20 a half a gallon because Raleigh-NC said they should start sending more money to places with peguins so they wont go extinct. LOL

:( I'm going to miss first week this year: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/NEWS01/80613007&s=d&page=3#pluckcomments and http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/story/485064.html

http://www.covtutcommercial.com/PDFS/MilestonePhaseII_LR.pdf

A new project named Milestone phase 2, On Pelham Road, no info is given. :nuts: But is a large sized project almost the same size of the New Walmart Super Center. I think it will just be retail because it looks zoned to Retail, but the first phase is to office so I dont know.

Valium...... ;)

The on the first page of the thread it says Upstate South Carolina Development News

The on the first page of the thread it says Upstate South Carolina Development News

Somebody changed it earlier today just for you. ;) And Milestone is just an office park. Nothing special.

Thank you G-man I knew you did it. How much office space is it.

Im going to go out on a limb here and say that the tape at the pinnacle is for liability reasons only. Bob Ellis can keep on dreaming, but reality has to sink in sometime.

Is Ron Paul gonna run on the Independent ticket this year?

My penguin needs to eat... Add another $1 to a gallon as a special tax. Drivers in Greenville (SC) will pay an additional $1, so the price of regular gasoline for them will be $5.89/gallon :lol:

How come we get the cheapest then the most expensive gas? :rant: When is the madness going to end? This is all Bob Ellis' fault. :cry:

Poor ol Bob, he cant catch a break!

He doesn't deserve one for lying as much as he did. :ohno:

Copied from another thread-

This might answer some of your questions. It's from deltabobo @airliners.net. It was in a thread about GSP:

As a former ramper with every airline at GSP (with the exception of US), I will tell us this.....All the major LCC's out there (WN, B6, F9, and FL) WANT TO COME TO GSP, but they want subsidies from the GSP Airport Commission, but the airport commission will only give subsidies to G4 and G4 ALONE. But remember, the airport commission is run by Roger Miliken, something like fifth richest man in America (correct me if I'm wrong), who is set in his ways. GSP has the second highest airfares in the nation, only CVG is higher. Once good ol' Roger kicks the bucket, the commission will look to get more business. Southwest offered MDW, LAS, LAX, and PHX, among others, B6 offered service to JFK and BOS, FL offered ATL and BWI (to give ol' Delta a run for their money, and guarantee DL would be sending more mainline to fight FL at GSP if they started; F9 offered service to DEN. There are two doors at the end of Concourse A with spaces for new jetbridges. WN offered to buy the jetbridges to use both the new gates, but the commission said no. Well, as long as the good ole boys at GSP are there, nothing will change.

Seems like even the Saudi's are upset about the gas prices. They are now concerned that people are going to start cutting back more, and explore other options for fuel. They are worried that this will lead to increased use of alternative fuels. Thus making their profits go down. im willing to bet that Opec will get a earful from the Saudi's. Eventually all these high gas prices is going to make everything come to a halt.

Bring back Distortedlogic. I can't live without him. He's a super freak. :nocrook: He hasn't been onlline since May 29th: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=70119 This is uncalled for. I demand an answer as to why. :rant:

Charlie FM is gone. YES, YES, YES. :cheer: :banana: :lol:

Copied from another thread-This might answer some of your questions. It's from deltabobo @airliners.net. It was in a thread about GSP:

As a former ramper with every airline at GSP (with the exception of US), I will tell us this.....All the major LCC's out there (WN, B6, F9, and FL) WANT TO COME TO GSP, but they want subsidies from the GSP Airport Commission, but the airport commission will only give subsidies to G4 and G4 ALONE. But remember, the airport commission is run by Roger Miliken, something like fifth richest man in America (correct me if I'm wrong), who is set in his ways. GSP has the second highest airfares in the nation, only CVG is higher. Once good ol' Roger kicks the bucket, the commission will look to get more business. Southwest offered MDW, LAS, LAX, and PHX, among others, B6 offered service to JFK and BOS, FL offered ATL and BWI (to give ol' Delta a run for their money, and guarantee DL would be sending more mainline to fight FL at GSP if they started; F9 offered service to DEN. There are two doors at the end of Concourse A with spaces for new jetbridges. WN offered to buy the jetbridges to use both the new gates, but the commission said no. Well, as long as the good ole boys at GSP are there, nothing will change.

Color me pissed. :mad:

Color me silly. I am. :D :lol:

:cheer: http://www.2hourstogreenville.com/ :cheer:

Which city is currently checking out Greenville, SC? Charlotte, NC is currently checking out Greenville, SC: http://www.charlotte.com/travel/story/648345.html

:uh: When I went to this website the first thing I saw come up at the top of the screen was a picture of Table Rock in Upstate South Carolina: http://www.discoversouthcarolina.com/ I couldn't believe it. A picture on the front page that doesn't sell to Charleston or Myrtle Beach. I must be dreaming. Somebody pinch me. :D

:master: Who wants 500+ new jobs? I do: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/Council/Project%20Teal%20-%20Identifying%20Resolution.pdf

Don't mess with tigers. They're dangerous and unpredictable. :D Go Tiger Woods.

Don't mess with tigers. They're dangerous and unpredictable. :D Go Tiger Woods.

Yeh, he should kill that old guy, who's never won anything in the playoff that he couldn't beat in the first four rounds. Tiger is great, it's just unfortunate that he plays in an era where he has no consistent competition.

Tiger Woods is God. Scratch that. God wishes he was Tiger Woods. :lol:

Post this on urbanplanet ASAP.

Dear Jacob:

There is not one word of truth to anything written by DeltaBoBo - Post #32. Southwest nor any other low-fare carrier has ever "offered" to provide service to GSP that we turned down. Many airports around the country have at one time or another engaged in high dollar incentive packages - paid airlines money to provide service, suspended landing fees for a period of time, etc etc. In the end however, once these incentive packages run out, if the passengers are not there to fill the planes, the airlines pack up and leave. GSP does not offer these kinds of incentives and in fact, many airports are getting away from such practices because, IF the passengers are not there, the airlines will pack up and leave once the Money Runs Out. Again, Mr DeltaBoBo is mistaken or misinformed when he says we only offer tax incentives to G4 and G4 alone. Quite frankly, I don't know who G4 is and whoever it is, we are not offering nor have we ever offered them any tax incentives to provide service.

Southwest has NEVER participated in airport/airline incentive programs because Southwest believes in only starting service in markets where they know, the passenger volume is there to support their service. Southwest has never offered to come into the GSP market for a fee/price. They do however continue to express interest in our market and they continue to talk with us and meet with us from time to time to get updates on the market including news from an economic development standpoint. FYI, we have meetings scheduled with representatives from two low-fare carriers next week in Pittsburgh.

No airline, low-fare or otherwise has offered to provide service to GSP and been turned away. It is NOT true that any airline offered to "buy" jet bridges which we refused to sell. Buying and selling jet bridges is not how that works. I have no idea where Mr. DeltaBoBo is getting his information but it is all wrong.

Thanks for asking and giving me the opportunity to respond. I will be happy to speak with you further either on the phone, in person or via email.

Sincerely,

Rosylin Weston
Director of Public Relations
GSP International Airport

^^ Thanks bro. I just posted it on UP for you. :)

http://www.wing-ding.org/

The Gold Wing Road Riders Association (GWRRA) is pleased to announce its 30th annual Wing Ding will be in Greenville, South Carolina, this year. The international convention opens Thursday, July 3, and runs through Sunday, July 6, 2008, at the Carolina First Center, formerly known as the Palmetto Expo Center.

Wing Ding is the world’s largest convention of owners of Honda Gold Wing and Valkyrie motorcycles, and Wing Ding 30 will highlight a yearlong celebration of GWRRA’s 30th anniversary. Previous visits to Greenville were in 1995 and 2001. More than 10,000 Gold Wing motorcycle owners and riders are expected to attend Wing Ding 30, which could generate between $10-15 million in direct economic impact to the area.

Much has changed in Greenville since GWRRA’s last visit. Now owned by the City of Greenville, the Carolina First Center began a $22 million enhancement plan in 2005 and, with completion scheduled by spring of 2008, is the largest convention center in the state, with 315,000 square feet of exhibition space and 88,000 square feet of meeting and conference space.

Just minutes away, Greenville's award-winning downtown has undergone revitalization as well. Always a visitor’s delight—with its array of restaurants, art galleries, theaters and specialty boutiques—the West End district has added an incredible structure called the new Liberty Bridge that spans the scenic Reedy River Falls Historic Park and waterfalls. Other revitalization efforts include the Governor's School for the Arts and a new baseball stadium, West End Field, that is reminiscent of Fenway Park, and home to a fitting sculpture of one of Greenville’s own—baseball legend Shoeless Joe Jackson. The area also has more than a thousand restaurants and nightspots.

“GWRRA Members will really enjoy the Greenville area, especially with its citywide improvements since our last visit there,” says GWRRA’s Executive Director, Melissa Eason. “Greenville citizens are excited to have us back, and I’m certain they will welcome us with the same warm, Southern hospitality they have in years past. We’re also pleased to be back on the East Coast and look forward to the opportunity for more Members from that area of the country to be able to join us. So be sure to come help us wrap up a yearlong celebration of GWRRA’s 30th anniversary at Wing Ding 30 in Greenville, South Carolina!”

Accommodations in Greenville range from quaint bed-and-breakfasts to major hotels, including the Hyatt, Hilton, Marriott, and Embassy Suites. The Greenville Convention and Visitors Bureau is handling room reservations for the more than 2,400 rooms in GWRRA’s room block, including the three host hotels. Currently, reservations for the room block can be made online at www.greenvillecvb.com/housing using a live inventory system that allows you to book directly with your hotel of choice. Host hotel information will be forthcoming.

Managing Director of Event Management Group, Ed Price, in charge of planning the event, adds however, “Though more than 8,000 rooms are now available in the immediate area, as always, we urge GWRRA Members who want to attend to make their room reservations early.”

Visitors to previous Wing Dings held in Greenville have raved about the riding en route to Greenville through the Great Smoky Mountains. Located in the northwestern corner of the state, Greenville enjoys a temperate summer climate, with average daily highs of 89 degrees F and daily lows of 69 degrees F.

GWRRA, whose motto is “Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge,” is a not-for-profit organization with over 80,000 Members in 52 countries, and 4,000 volunteer leaders providing rider education, social structure, organizing events, rallies, rides and meetings throughout the year. Visit GWRRA’s websites: www.gwrra.org and www.wing-ding.org or call (800) 843-9460 or (623) 581-2500 (in Phoenix) for more information.

Stupid question of the day time. Where is infoman? :rant: :cry: :(

:uh: :eek: I didn't realize the Bi-Lo Center doesn't have another event until July 31st: http://www.bilocenter.com/events.html No wonder they're having funding problems. :nuts:

I didn't make what is posted below, but I do agree with it 110%. Americans are retarted:


Americans have a TREMENDOUS amount of gall complaining about $4 gas. Who the heck are WE to gripe?

First off, Americans account for roughly 6% of the population of this planet, yet we waste (and I do mean waste) approximately 70% of the energy produced globally.

Look at Europe... They pay about $9.50 per gallon right now, but they aren't starving and their economy (the Euro) is crushing the dollar.

For those of you sheltered Americans that don't comprehend anything beyond the local mall and who's winning on American Idol, here's why: Europeans don't waste energy. They don't drive a Suburban to commute to work. They don't have a 12 mile per gallon family battle tank. And they don't drive EVERYWHERE. They do this neat little thing with their legs; its called WALKING. They also ride the bus, or the train. But that also explains why Europeans aren't fat slobs like we are in the US. (Gotta supersize that value meal, don't we?)

Americans have zero self-discipline. Basically, our mentality is, if we have something in abundance, we might as well waste it without a care in the world, and without planning ahead. Why do you think there are so many Americans with crushing credit card debt and mortgages they can't afford? It's because we're like spoiled children that can't stand not getting instant gratification.

What good will higher gas prices do for the US??? We're already seeing it... GM is shutting down production of SUVs.. YAY!!! People can't sell an SUV or minivan these days because no one wants them... YAY Again!!!

Since 2002 I've been saying that the ONLY way to curb our citizens' reckless and self-destructive behavior is by hitting them in the ONLY place they care about; their WALLETS. Now its coming true exactly as predicted... I feel like an oracle.

Face it people, Americans don't pursue the morally correct course of action 9 times out of 10 unless it's the popular trend of the week or not doing it personally inconviences them. That's why 99% of the time, if you want to get people off their collective asses you have to make it expensive for them not to comply.

What are the benefits of high gas prices, you ask? Well, most of them are related to health issues. Here are the results I expect to see as gas prices keep climbing:

Health care costs will decrease - Simple fact; if people drive smaller cars or drive less, you have less air pollution. Less pollution means better health, period.

If people walk more or ride bicycles versus driving 2 blocks to the 7-Eleven, they will be more physically fit. Healthier people need less medical care, period.

As we drive less, we'll also lower our dependance on foreign oil. Isn't anyone else out there getting a little sick and tired of funding asshole regimes that hate us? Venezuela is a big one, but so is every country in the Middle East. Personally, I'd like to stop funding governments that funnel money to Pro-Islamic organizations that want to force me to worship the demonic god of the biggest terrorist who ever lived (Mohammed).

Anyway, I'm sure all of you think I'm an idiot... But then, that's just you thinking with your wallets. God help you if you can't afford that trip to WalMart this weekend.

^^ Okay, couple of things...

1. Our cities are not laid out like European cities. Theirs are generally more dense and walkable, and they have a great network of trains to move them from place to place. If they were in our situation, they would drive just as much.

2. Some Americans are lazy, but all aren't - just as all Europeans aren't thin, fit, health conscious people who walk everywhere. Stereotyping is a dangerous game, and the author of that article does a lot of it. How would he like it if we stereotyped all journalists (or wanna-be journalists)?

3. If we are going to talk about pollution in the U.S., we cannot ignore the biggest polluter of all - the federal government.

We can certainly learn some things from the Europeans (and we would be foolish and arrogant to think otherwise). But let's also realize that they generally pay a LOT more in taxes than we do. Things cost more there, relatively speaking (not just gas). It could be argued that they do not have the same degree of freedoms we have here. Are those trade-offs we're willing to make?

YOU are retarded, g-man, for even posting this crap... Talk about "self-discipline" and "waste"? You and the author have obviously not lived in Europe, or the author is too much in love with Europe to see clearly. Europeans are not as self-disciplined as you think, nor they avoid waste. Their entire government structure is based on wasted funds (aka bureaucracy). The problem we have here is that we listen to the "blame America(ns) first" crowd... Sorry that you have so low self-esteem. Maybe you need a hug, but don't look for it here :bash:

You have some good points g-man and there is truth in your words.

What we should all be frustrated in is in the last 30 years the United States
has wasted a great opportunity to solve the problem. There have been token attempts and some viable solutions but for all the technology we have to still be dependent on an internal combustion engine seems a bit primitive.
The biggest benefit of high prices should be better solutions.

g-man, it will take us a long time to undo the mistakes of the past, but it doesn't help to draw parallel to countries and continents so different than ours. Check out this article, if you have time: Suburbs a Mile Too Far for Some (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121366811790479767.html?mod=hps_us_editors_picks). We are trying to make things right, so give "Americans" some credit.

My girlfriend ate my fish. :bash: :cry: :rant: I need a hug. :hug: :D

My girlfriend ate my fish. :bash: :cry: :rant: I need a hug. :hug: :D

So now you've graduated from an imaginary fish to an imaginary girlfriend? :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

So now you've graduated from an imaginary fish to an imaginary girlfriend? :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

No sir. This girl is real and :uh: BIG: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=548933&page=10

Back to the serious discussion though. What do you guys think of the Bi-Lo Center not having another event until July 31st? That's a whole month and a half of the arena sitting empty. :nuts: :ohno:

I get it now. Thanks for filling me in. :)

P.S. Just wait until you get to Clemson. Very high quality girls. ;)

Edit: double post

Nobody wants to talk about the Bi-LOW Center? :lol:

Infoman is ALL Mine Mr. " G-man " , YOU Just try and take Him away from Me!

http://www.uncorrelated.com/images/McCain.jpg

Evidently, nobody does... Sorry g-man, I wish I could help with this...

Who is that evil man in the picture two posts above mine? It's Raleigh-NC's brother. :D Oh looky here. An update:

GSP is only talking to airlines we believe can be supported by our market. We believe the numbers are there to support a low-fare carrier like Southwest or JetBlue so, why haven't they come? It is not the lack of a formal incentive program. Remember, Southwest does not participate in such programs so the fact that we are not offering to give them free terminal space or reduce or eliminate their landing fees is not why they have not started service out of GSP. The same is true of JetBlue.

We believe we can support Jet Blue service but for whatever reason, JetBlue and Southwest don't believe it OR there are other reasons known to the airlines as to why they are not offering service out of GSP... yet. Both have said it is not a question of if but rather When. Many things go into the thought process of airlines. One huge factor now and in the foreseeable future is fuel costs.

Both JetBlue and Southwest have told us within the last year that their focus for a period of time would be on adding more service in existing markets because, their infrastructure was already in place. GSP would be a "true" start up and thus much more expensive and time consuming than adding additional service in a market they are already servicing. If we were to examine their service patterns over the past 24 months it would in fact demonstrate that add to markets instead of starting new ones is exactly what both airlines have done.

The best news is that both Southwest and JetBlue and other low-fare carriers continue to have a dialogue with GSP. GSP will continue to respond to their calls and whenever possible initiate calls and requests for face to face meetings. The meetings next week are meetings GSP requested.

Thanks for your questions/comments and for breaking the "code" for me. Again just to be clear, GSP did not offer or do for Allegiant Air anything that we have not done or would do for another airline. Offer new service to new markets and the airport will spend some money marketing that new service. That is what we did for Allegiant and that is what we have done and will do for other airlines.

What are the other airlines represented by the code in the piece written by Deltabobo.....B6...WN etc?

Sincerely,

Rosylin Weston
Director of Public Relations
GSP International Airport

This one is for you, g-man ;) Somehow I have a feeling you still don't know why the price of the gasoline is so high :lol:

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/139101.jpg

All I see is a Red X. That can't be good. :uh: Don't worry. I'll bring the :guns1: :D

So now you've graduated from an imaginary fish to an imaginary girlfriend? :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/paul1984/really_fat_chick.jpg
Food

and...


http://www.uncorrelated.com/images/McCain.jpg

Viagra

You go, g-man! ;)

Oh yes sir. We are ready: http://www.costar.com/News/Article.aspx?id=28E74CFA4DE6A6248D4C1E1FFB13DF59

^^ Cool.

Mixed-Use Development Coming to Greenville
Up to 1 Million SF of mixed-use development on 65 Acres Near I-385


A mixed-use development is being constructed at 1025 Woodruff Road in Greenville, South Carolina.

The 1 million square-foot Magnolia Park Town Center, built upon 65 acres, could contain as much as 375,000 square feet of office space in freestanding buildings along I-385, a 20-creen Regal Cinema, a 150,000-square-foot Costco Wholesale Club and a 60,000-square-foot Sports Authority. In addition, there will be a hotel, fine dining restaurants, casual restaurants and retail space for anchor stores and specialty shops.

Construction is expected to be complete in early 2009.

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Now put that space into one or two towers downtown and then were talking. :)

:uh: :eek: I didn't realize the Bi-Lo Center doesn't have another event until July 31st: http://www.bilocenter.com/events.html No wonder they're having funding problems. :nuts:

The Bi-Lo Center is hurting for sure. They only have 4 events scheduled all the way out to November. They are not alone however. It is a bad time for arenas period. The RBC arena in Raleigh has 2 events scheduled. The Time-Warner arena(Bobcats) in Charlotte has 4 scheduled and the Colonial Center in Columbia has zero events scheduled. Like I said it's a bad time for arenas.

The Bi-Lo Center is hurting for sure. They only have 4 events scheduled all the way out to November. They are not alone however. It is a bad time for arenas period. The RBC arena in Raleigh has 2 events scheduled. The Time-Warner arena(Bobcats) in Charlotte has 4 scheduled and the Colonial Center in Columbia has zero events scheduled. Like I said it's a bad time for arenas.

That does make me feel better seeing how they aren't suffering alone. When there is no hockey or basketball along with a bad economy, you're just asking for trouble. :ohno:

What's not hurting is the Greenville convention market at the newly renovated Carolina First Center--- these are the upcoming events bringing more than 1,000 delegates:

Transforming Local Government -- 1,000
Southeast Greenhouse Conference & Trade Show, Inc -- 2,800
Gold Wing Road Riders Association -- 14,000
Leadership Team Development- Synergy 08 -- 12,000
Greenville Kennel Club -- 3,000
Eastern Outdoor Rep Association -- 1,000
Monroe Hardware -- 1,000
Philadelphia Church of God -- 1,000

Total for conventions with over 1,000 delegates: 35,800


That'll juice up the local economy.

That is a pretty healthy number for Carolina First Center. :okay:

650 new jobs potentially for Greenville County: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080617/BUSINESS/80617060

I like the sound of the 500 NON-manufacturing jobs! The other would be nice, too. :)

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080617/BUSINESS/806170344/1003

Michelin to try retailing at Westgate
With first store on Greenville's Main Street, company to open next in mall

By Jenny Munro • BUSINESS WRITER • June 17, 2008

Michelin on Main in downtown Greenville has been such a success for the tire maker that it plans to open a store in an Upstate mall to test its branded merchandise in a strictly retail environment.

The company, with its North American headquarters in Greenville, plans to open ShopMichelin in Westgate Mall in Spartanburg late next month, according to Jeff Jacobs, director of Michelin North America brand identity merchandise. The 2,000-square-foot store was designed by Neal Prince Architects of Greenville.

"We've had a pleasant surprise with our success in merchandise sales" at Michelin on Main, he said. "As Michelin has ramped up our merchandising effort over the last year, we are finding consumers open to interacting with the Michelin brand in this way."

In addition, the company's online shopping site -- ShopMichelin.com -- is up and running, Jacobs said.

The Spartanburg retail location is an attempt to test Michelin merchandise in a total retail environment.

"It is totally different from Michelin on Main," he said. "The vision for Michelin on Main was to serve as a unique retail destination in downtown Greenville, where the emphasis is on helping consumers experience Michelin as a brand."

He said the company wants to know if Michelin merchandise is "cool enough" to compete with other retail but is moving carefully in the current retail environment.

"With ShopMichelin at Westgate, our goal is to put the merchandise front-and-center. It's much more appropriate for an indoor mall location," he said.

Congratulations Boston Celtics, 2008 NBA Champions. This is the first title for Mauldin native Kevin Garnett. :)

Congrats are definitely in order. I'm a Lakers fan for life, but my boys embarrassed me last night. :(

It will be interesting to see how the Michelin store does in Westgate. What type of merchandise is sold at the store in downtown Greenville?

Everthing from t-shirts to foam footballs is sold at the Michelin store. It's basically a big gift shop. Project Teal would be 1,000-1,500 jobs in the service industry paying $13-$15 an hour according to WYFF and other sources. The Greenville News got the amount wrong. No suprise there.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080617/BUSINESS/80617060&s=d&page=1#pluckcomments

Company may bring 500 jobs to Greenville County
Greenville County Council also offers incentives for 150-job project

By Nan Lundeen • STAFF WRITER • June 17, 2008

Greenville County is in the running for about 500 jobs that could be created by a company moving from outside the area, according to action taken Tuesday by County Council.

And in a separate move, the council approved $1.2 million in tax incentives to a company that could add 150 jobs.

If the code-named Project Teal "comes to fruition, it will be a little less than 500 jobs and about a $10 million investment," council Vice Chair Judy Gilstrap said.

Council approved a resolution about the project. "The resolution is just to identify it and put it out there," Gilstrap said, in particular in case something happens while council is on break during July. The jobs aren't in manufacturing, she said.

"This resolution does not offer incentives," she said.

The council did approve incentives for Project MESH, another code-name project that Gilstrap said involves a $15 million investment by a company and 150 new jobs.

The fee-in-lieu of agreement offers a 6 percent property tax rate over 20 years rather than the normal 10.5 percent industrial rate, according to county documents.

It would mean the county would collect $1.3 million over 20 years, and the incentives would save the company $1.2 million, according to the documents.




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Business rediscovers West Greenville

By Angelia Davis • BUSINESS WRITER • June 18, 2008

The influx of artists' studios and galleries in West Greenville is fine in Michael Watts' view. But Watts said the community needs more diverse businesses "to really grow and thrive."

To that end, he is moving his financial services office from The Parkway to a 3,000-square-foot site being renovated on Pendleton Street.

"I think that that area has a future from a plain, old economic value," he said. "One of the things that area needs is more business people, businesses that are open 8:30 a.m. to 5 every day."

Watts expects to use more than 2,000 square feet for his own office. The remaining space will be available for lease, preferably for a professional, such as a public accountant or an attorney, or "some type of retail."

The migration of artists and new studios and galleries is being credited for a revival of the West Greenville and Brandon commercial district along Pendleton Street, west of Academy Street in downtown Greenville.

Painter Diane Kilgore Condon set off that migration by renovating the former Brandon Mill General Store -- now known as Art Bomb -- to provide affordable studio and gallery space for herself and other artists.

Entrepreneurs and art lovers Richard and Gwendolyn Heusel helped fuel the move by transforming the old Murphree Furniture Store on Pendleton Street to Village Studios and Gallery, which offers affordable space for artist studios and galleries.

Today, more than 30 artists work from sites in West Greenville. And many of the old buildings in the commercial district there have been rehabilitated into studios and galleries.

Sculptor Doug Young has relocated from his 200-square-foot studio in RiverPlace to a 1,000-square-foot site near the corner of Lois Avenue and Pendleton Street.

Young, who created the Shoeless Joe Jackson sculpture in downtown Greenville, describes the area as "an artist destination."

The West Greenville and Brandon community thrived as a cotton-mill village years ago. When the mill died, so did some of the area's luster.

Professional Services Connection is the company that completed renovation work on some of the revived buildings in West Greenville, including studios occupied by Young, artist Charlie Pate and Village Studios.

Destrie Schultz, general contractor of Professional Services Connection, said when his company first went into the community five years ago, "it was shocking how depressed the area was. Most all of those businesses were boarded up."

Gwendolyn Heusel said businesses that have endured over time include Pace's Jewelry, Case Shoes, Upstate Wedding Boutique and Goodlife catering. "They are all supportive of the art movement and are the related retailers we need, and we need more."

She would like the area to have a restaurant, a coffee shop that serves soup and sandwiches, a place where people could gather, and also a destination restaurant. And retail, she said, would be "wonderful."

Watts said he owns another building in the West Greenville area that he wouldn't mind seeing used for retail.

He plans to move into his new office on July 7.

The Heusels are renovating a house in West Greenville that was owned by a supervisor of the former mill. Gwendolyn Heusel said they are hopeful the house, visible from Village Studios, would become a "destination" restaurant.

Sounds big!

Michelin must be extremely stupid! Why would you open a store at Westgate. The downtown stores thrives because its in downtown Greenville. Michelin is a speciality shop in downtown, its unique and has Greenville roots. Spartanburg is like North Charleston to Charleston. Spartanburg will never be Greenville no matter how much they want to be. Im also not trying to make this a Greenville vs Spartanburg argument, but facts are facts. I give this store less than one year in the mall.

Michelin must be extremely stupid! Why would you open a store at Westgate. The downtown stores thrives because its in downtown Greenville. Michelin is a speciality shop in downtown, its unique and has Greenville roots. Spartanburg is like North Charleston to Charleston. Spartanburg will never be Greenville no matter how much they want to be. Im also not trying to make this a Greenville vs Spartanburg argument, but facts are facts. I give this store less than one year in the mall.

It's hard to say. Spartanburg is no Greenville and never will be, but Westgate Mall is fairly large and popular. Nobody including me and you truly knows if this store will be successful or not. We'll just have to take the wait and see approach. :)

Im glad to hear that pendleton street is being redeveloped. I wish these art galleries well, and hope they have a good security alarm and a big mean dog.

Michelin must be extremely stupid! Why would you open a store at Westgate. The downtown stores thrives because its in downtown Greenville. Michelin is a speciality shop in downtown, its unique and has Greenville roots. Spartanburg is like North Charleston to Charleston. Spartanburg will never be Greenville no matter how much they want to be. Im also not trying to make this a Greenville vs Spartanburg argument, but facts are facts. I give this store less than one year in the mall.

I totally agree with you. When I read that they are putting a retail store in Westgate Mall, I couldn't believe it. I simply don't see that much demand for Michelin merchandise. It might sell well in downtown Greenville, but that seems to be more of a function of it being a destination/experience than anything else. I doubt many people say, "Man, I would really like to get a Michelin hat to wear." But maybe there are more than I think. I suppose we'll see by how well the Michelin store at Westgate does. :lol:

If nothing else, it's cool that they feel embraced by the Upstate and are eager to contribute something original to the retail scene here. I hope they are successful in their retail venture (especially downtown Greenville!).

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080619/YOURUPSTATEHEALTH/806190308/1001/NEWS
Village hospital to have hotel feel
Spartanburg Regional building for future

By Nan Lundeen • STAFF WRITER • June 19, 2008

GREER -- The historic mill village at Pelham is becoming the center of a 140-acre Spartanburg Regional Healthcare System Medical campus where a $60 million, 48-bed community hospital is soaring from the red earth, and 500 beds could occupy the space in the future.

Spartanburg Regional estimated the service area for its Village at Pelham medical campus would reach 122,366 potential users by next year in the certificate of need it filed with the state.

The hospital opens Oct. 8.

When would the hospital be expanded? "It's hard to say, but we'll evaluate once the hospital opens," said David Parks, Village at Pelham administrator.

Touring the hospital under construction on South State 14 at Westmoreland Drive on Wednesday, Parks said the idea is to make it as welcoming as a hotel.

Features include a concierge at the front desk to meet family needs; a resource center; a deli and sit-down restaurant; Wi-Fi throughout; warm, earth-tone color scheme; large windows in patient rooms, many with views of woods; flat-screens in rooms on which patients can order movies, order food, research their diagnosis or medications and play computer games; a fold-out sleeping surface in each room for family members; high windows in emergency rooms to give an open feeling; and open stairwells to encourage walking.

About five miles north, Greenville Hospital System plans to open its Greer Memorial Hospital in August.




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Michelin expansions, upgrades on schedule

By Jenny Munro • BUSINESS WRITER • June 19, 2008

Michelin North America expects to have spent more than $175 million of its planned $350 million expansion and upgrade projects to its four major South Carolina manufacturing sites by the end of the year, officials said.

"We're pleased that we can make the investment at such a rapid pace," said Michael Fanning, Michelin North America's vice president of corporate affairs.

The expansion, announced last August, will create approximately 100 net additional jobs by the time it is complete. Some of those jobs have already been added.

"For more than 30 years Michelin North America has called South Carolina home," said Jim Micali, chairman and president. "We continue to take a very long-term view of investing both in the state and in the communities where our employees live and work.

"In challenging economic times, we must make smart investments that will improve our global competitiveness and benefit our customers and our long-term business success," he said.

Fanning said, "We have always been very aggressive in making investments to increase productivity" and that continues despite the "competitive headwinds" Michelin and the industry are facing.

The upgrade and expansion project includes the Greenville passenger/light truck tire plant, the Lexington passenger/light truck tire and earthmover tire facilities, the Spartanburg tire plant and the Sandy Springs and Starr semi-finished material facilities in Anderson County.




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Cherrydale plan moves toward adoption

By Nan Lundeen • STAFF WRITER • June 19, 2008

A comprehensive plan providing a vision of the future for the Cherrydale area moved a step closer to adoption Tuesday night.

The Greenville County Council approved second reading of the ordinance, which was hammered out by the community. It requires three readings to pass.

Acting on a motion by Councilman Willis Meadows, the plan could be amended on third reading.

Key actions of the plan include:
-design standards
-beautify Poinsett Highway
-new zoning classes to fill vacant lots with mixed-use development
-new street alignments at major intersections
-rezone residential parcels to allow higher density
-create new public space areas
-create unique districts with gateway features

The council is on a break during July. It meets again in August.

The Cherrydale master plan is going to be a real key in continuing to improve that side of town. That, plus the Pete Hollis area near Heritage Green, will hopefully have a positive impact on the ugly stretch of Poinsett Highway in between.

I hate that stretch of road. The telephone poles look as if they could fall at any time....lol

its not the light poles you need to worry about! I would be more concerned of stray bullets coming from nearby neighborhoods. I am glad to hear that they are going to do some revitalization there.

Ahh ur overreacting but yeah it is a bad neighborhood. We cant all live in Thorneblade can we?

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2008/jun/19/crossroads-plaza-be-demolished-lowes/

Crossroads Plaza to be demolished for Lowe’s in Anderson
Company officials declined to comment until real estate transactions close

By Heidi Cenac-Anderson Independent Mail

Thursday, June 19, 2008

ANDERSON — A vacant shopping center on Anderson’s south side will soon be demolished to make way for a Lowe’s.

Site plans filed with Anderson County call for a complete demolition of Crossroads Plaza at S.C. 28 Bypass and Sayre Street. The two outparcels, an Arby’s and the former Water Wheel Ice Cream, will remain while the shopping center is replaced by a 124,000-square-foot Lowe’s with a 31,300-square-foot garden center.

The site plans also show a 4-acre outparcel replacing the left side of the shopping center and two 0.69-acre outparcels along S.C. 28 Bypass next to Arby’s.

Anderson County Planning Director Jeff Ricketson said the development should be on the Anderson County Planning Commission’s July 8 agenda as a large-scale project. The developers also are seeking a variance on parking requirements that would allow for 80 fewer parking spaces.

“I’m just happy to see something going on that site over there,” Ricketson said. “It’s been dead for a while.”

Crossroads Plaza is a 163,809-square-foot shopping center that opened in 1990. It was at one time anchored by Ingles and Wal-Mart, but today houses only three tenants — Credit Central, Anderson Barber Academy and Worth Mason Insurance.

Tenants said they were first alerted to the changes after a robbery in March. Wanda Robinson, a stylist at the barbershop, said she watched surveyors photograph and measure the center earlier that month. Then a law enforcement officer mentioned during his investigation that the center might be torn down.

All three tenants are expected to move but have yet to find new locations.

On average, Lowe’s opens a new store every three days and plans to open 120 new stores in 2008. Company officials said they could not comment on when the store would open in Anderson or how many people it will employ.

“As part of our expansion, Lowe’s is evaluating many potential sites,” Lowe’s spokeswoman Maureen Rich wrote in an e-mail. “It’s our policy not to comment about specific sites Lowe’s may be considering for new stores unless we have closed on all real estate matters. We have not done that in Anderson.”

Anderson County Council member Gracie Floyd, who represents District 2, where the shopping center is located, said she hopes this project will spur future redevelopment along the bypass.

“This is going to be another shot in the arm for economic development here in Anderson County,” Floyd said.

Im going to pass on Thornblade, not my style. But no Im not overreacting. Ive worked there for many years and they have more blue light specials than K-mart.

:) Here is the Cherrydale plan for anybody who hasn't seen it yet: http://www.greenvilleplanning.com/land_development/Cherrydale_projects_files/Final%20Draft.pdf

A lot of people have complained about the design of Easley Town Center and how it doesn't include any residential component. There is a very good reason for that. DHEC won't allow it.


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State: Easley Town Center safe
No threat to workers, shoppers at old Saco Lowell site

By Ginny Johnson-The Easley Progress

EASLEY - "Contamination," "volatile organics" and "PCBs" are all somewhat unsettling words used to describe what lies beneath the old Saco Lowell site.

State health officials say the 210-acre site is rife with chemicals that were poured or dumped during an era predating environmental law.

That didn't stop Cedarwood Development from purchasing 118 of the least contaminated acres for the under-construction Easley Town Center.

But there's no reason to fear working or shopping at the under-construction Easley Town Center going up where the textile factory once stood, said state Department of Health and Environmental Control.

"We don't have any reason to believe that there's any ... kind of threat to public health from it at all," said DHEC spokesman Adam Myrick.

The same chemicals here can be found at similar textile sites state- and nationwide.

"As a general rule at textile sites like this ... these types of chemicals were used to clean equipment (and) used as solvents as part of the process ... and there was no disposal process," Myrick said.

One safety measure - already in place for some time - is the use of numerous monitoring wells throughout the site.

"It just kind of was poured or dumped... that's just the way it happened years ago," Myrick said. "As a result, it's in the soil, in the ground water. That's why we have the monitoring wells."

The wells help authorities keep tabs on the in-ground contamination which includes volatile organics, metals and PCBs generated largely from the use of solvents, he said.

"We are able to check those wells ... quarterly," Myrick said. "That gives us an idea if the contamination is spreading."

Twenty such wells are installed in the 118-acre portion destined to be developed, Myrick said.

"Based on the uses that are proposed, we have no reason to believe there'd be threat to public health," Myrick said, including people who will eventually work at the shopping center. "No reason to think there'd be any occupational hazards."

To ensure safety to people and the environment, DHEC imposed restrictions as to how the site can be used.

"No residential use and no groundwater use for drinking purposes," Myrick said. "Retail only."

Certain engineering methods must also be employed during construction to prevent future vapors from rising up through the soil and polluting occupied spaces.

A third party that is responsible for managing the contamination on the entire site has been given - by DHEC requirement - unrestricted access to the town center's acres to do just that, Myrick said.

"Our mission is all about protecting the health of the public and the environment," Myrick said.

I like what I'm seeing on the Cherrydale Masterplan. :cheers:

Thanks for the link!

:) Here is the Cherrydale plan for anybody who hasn't seen it yet: http://www.greenvilleplanning.com/land_development/Cherrydale_projects_files/Final%20Draft.pdf

I am thrilled to see the first guiding principle listed as "acknowledge Cherrydale as an urban environment." :applause:

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Verdae developers to open 20-acre park
By Rudolph Bell • STAFF WRITER • June 20, 2008

The developers of Verdae, the 1,100-acre, mixed-use project, are hoping to pump up home sales with Saturday’s opening of a new public park.

The 20-acre Hollingsworth Legacy Park along Rocky Slope Road consists of a six-acre green surrounded by a flower garden, a playground, stone cabana, a waterfall and fountain, hiking trail, volleyball court and a pond.

"We hope that it will bring people out here to see the level of commitment we have to aesthetics," said Cynthia Yeager, director of marketing for Verdae Development, master developer of the 1,100 acres between Interstate 85 and Woodruff and Laurens roads.

The park is scheduled to open Saturday with a two-hour ceremony starting at 4:30 p.m.

It’s the centerpiece of what developers hope eventually will be a 300-acre community with 1,000 residences and a 15-acre commercial village. So far, eight houses are under construction, and one home and five lots are under contract, Yeager said.

She said about 40 percent of Verdae’s sales leads for new homes are coming from out of town, some of them from engineers with General Electric Co. or Fluor Corp. relocating to Greenville. Other leads are coming from residents of the Cliffs luxury real estate communities along State 11 who want to move into town, she said.

The Verdae master plan calls for construction of nearly 4,700 homes, 1.7 million square feet of shopping and up to 1.75 million square feet of office space over 25 years. Under construction now are a 128-home subdivision, a 54-home subdivision, a $100 million community for seniors and a medical office building.

More development projects are expected to be announced soon.

Rick Sumerel, Verdae Development’s chief operating officer, said he’s solicited proposals from developers for a "hospitality related" project as well as another subdivision. In addition, he said, Verdae Development is talking with a developer about building an apartment complex behind the Super Bi-Lo near the intersection of Verdae Boulevard and Laurens Road.

Verdae Development is developing the property for Hollingsworth Funds, the foundation that controls the estate of the late Greenville industrialist John D. Hollingsworth. All profits go to Hollingsworth Funds, which exists to benefit Furman University, the YMCA of Greenville and other Greenville County charities.

Allot of good announcements lately. :)

But you still haven't visited??:cheers:

^You've got to save up for that these days. :)

I think as gas prices continue to rise you are going to see people that live out in the sticks want to be closer to the city. It just makes more sense anyway.

I think as gas prices continue to rise you are going to see people that live out in the sticks want to be closer to the city. It just makes more sense anyway.

Sadly, it takes money to move though. And selling your house in the small town or sticks isn't that easy now. :( Oh, to have money not owed...... :D

Talked to Richard Parvey earlier today while taking a tour of Hollingsworth/Legacy Park at Verdae. Very interesting listen to him talk about the development. He is the CEO/President of Parvey Companies: http://www.parvey.com/ They are in charge of all of the home building going on at Verdae. After checking out Legacy Park, I can definitely say it is the second nicest looking park in Greenville County. Falls Park is obviously the nicest. If you haven't checked out the park yet then you are definitely missing out. I would say there were somewhere between 15-20 people at the park when I was there. This was at 7:00pm on a weeknight so that's pretty good for that time of day. It will get a lot more people use once the homes and other developments around the area get completed. One thing that really caught my eye was when I was taking pics, a ton of people in their cars kept driving by checking out the homes and park. There seems to be a lot of people interested in this development which is a very good thing. And now on to the pics:

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I see that the price of the gasoline hasn't kept you from driving around, g-man :lol: Obviously, in the first set of photos you went to check out your new playground(s). Anyway, thanks for the updates. Hollingsworth Park looks promising, for sure. Open space and density can co-exist. I am not familiar with the area, but I surely hope they will be able to develop the buffer between the homes and Verdae Blvd, otherwise it will remain an isolated community, although well designed, overall.

I wish they would have placed the dense housing where the "estate lots" are located. Ideally, I'd like to have seen ONLY the dense housing, but if they must have both, then they should place the denser stuff closest to the rail line where mass transportation will go...

The park looks great. It's especially great that the mature trees remained; it gives the park a sense of authenticity.

By putting denser housing close to the estates they probably address the whole mixed-income thing ;) Let's face it, a house that costs over $1 million (this is my own speculation, as I do not know what the prices of those homes will be) is way beyond something that costs $300,000-$400,000. There is a large gap in terms of income.

I saw G-man on his moped the other day flying around Greenville. That is how he is saving on gas prices!!!

I saw G-man on his moped the other day flying around Greenville. That is how he is saving on gas prices!!!

Oh, was he driving that for gas saving purposes? I thought he had gotten a DUI.

I wish they would have placed the dense housing where the "estate lots" are located. Ideally, I'd like to have seen ONLY the dense housing, but if they must have both, then they should place the denser stuff closest to the rail line where mass transportation will go...

IF mass transit goes there. The federal government has to approve funding for the project. I wouldn't expect to that to happen with how sucky our bus system is. :( Oh and I don't drive a moped. I drive a Tacoma. :)

Well, looky here: http://www.savemyairport.com/?page_id=21 Greenville-Spartanburg is listed as being one of the top 50 airports in the country that is in danger of losing service completely. Well, I won't cry over it if it happens. They are too expensive anyways.

Well, looky here: http://www.savemyairport.com/?page_id=21 Greenville-Spartanburg is listed as being one of the top 50 airports in the country that is in danger of losing service completely. Well, I won't cry over it if it happens. They are too expensive anyways.

Airports in cities like Greenville, Birmingham, Richmond, and Milwaukee are not going to just disappear. That will never happen. This is much ado about nothing if you ask me.

Airports in cities like Greenville, Birmingham, Richmond, and Milwaukee are not going to just disappear. That will never happen. This is much ado about nothing if you ask me.

And why won't they just disappear? It's called consolidation. Get rid of GSP. Put the service at Charlotte and Atlanta. Too bad this country is so slow. We would have high-speed rail by now if it wasn't. :ohno: :bash: I find it amazing and very sad one of the largest metro areas in the country (Atlanta) doesn't have high-speed rail. :nuts:

In six minutes, learn the importance of Greenville's past in its dreams for its future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT0xLjlnHYU&eurl=http://greenvilleforward.com/index.htm The reason I get negative all the time about mass transit, airport, etc. is because I want Greenville to be perfect. I will never be happy until it is. :) I want to be able to get on a LRT or BRT line and ride it straight to the airport by 2015. I want to be able to get on a low-cost carrier like JetBlue or Southwest by 2010. I want to be able to enjoy the area now and I can. :D Highrises don't make quality of life. People and the community is what makes quality of life. You have to understand that.

:okay: How does it get done though? This is how:

http://www.greenvilleforward.com/
http://www.planitgreenville.com/
http://www.imaginegreenville.com/
http://www.upstateforever.org/
http://www.greenvillepulse.com/
http://www.handsongreenville.org/
http://www.thegreenstripe.com/

And why won't they just disappear? It's called consolidation. Get rid of GSP. Put the service at Charlotte and Atlanta. Too bad this country is so slow. We would have high-speed rail by now if it wasn't. :ohno: :bash: I find it amazing and very sad one of the largest metro areas in the country (Atlanta) doesn't have high-speed rail. :nuts:

Since when is MARTA not high-speed rail?

The reason I get negative all the time about mass transit, airport, etc. is because I want Greenville to be perfect. I will never be happy until it is.

Then you will never be happy. There is no perfect city.

And I agree with Greenville. No way in the world GSP is just going to disappear into thin air. The airport isn't going anywhere.

Since when is MARTA not high-speed rail?

Is he referring to high speed rail that connects cities (like in Europe), or heavy rail transit? MARTA is the latter.

Is he referring to high speed rail that connects cities (like in Europe), or heavy rail transit? MARTA is the latter.

I'm referring to the first one. :yes: Trains that go over 100 mph: http://www.sehsr.org/ MARTA is not high-speed rail. It's a subway with a bus sytem attached. I ride it everytime I go to Atlanta.

Then you will never be happy. There is no perfect city.

And I agree with Greenville. No way in the world GSP is just going to disappear into thin air. The airport isn't going anywhere.

Austin, Texas to me is a perfect city. :) I want Greenville to be like that city within 10 years. And why won't GSP just disappear? It's called consolidation. Shut down GSP and keep the service at Charlotte and Atlanta.

Austin, Texas to me is a perfect city. :) I want Greenville to be like that city within 10 years.

I think just the relative ideological differences between both cities will make that very unlikely. ;) But in the meantime, why don't you consider moving there for a while? I love SC and its major cities and I want to see them prosper, but right now, they're just not where I want them to be. That's why I want to get my big city experience (not here in Charlotte; more along the lines of DC or LA) for a few years and eventually return to SC. By that time, much progress would have hopefully been made and then I can comfortably settle down somewhere that offers most of what I'm looking for.

And why won't GSP just disappear? It's called consolidation. Shut down GSP and keep the service at Charlotte and Atlanta.

Name me one airport of a major (1 million+) metro area that has shut down in recent years in the name of consolidation. I see no precedent for this whatsoever.

I don't have the money to move to Austin. :poke: The economy and gas prices haven't been that bad in recent years until now. That's why no airports have shut down yet. If it keeps up, it's going to be a question of when they will shut down not if especially if the airlines keep cutting back service and going out of business.

Story on GSP International: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080626/NEWS/806260368/1112&title=Officials__GSP_healthy__though_turbulence_could_take_toll

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:haha: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/dead-here-t46864.html&view=getnewpost

Regarding this thread: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/dead-here-t46864.html&view=getnewpost Just because your stupid highrises aren't getting built is no reason to boycott the forum.

I don't have the money to move to Austin. :poke: The economy and gas prices haven't been that bad in recent years until now. That's why no airports have shut down yet. If it keeps up, it's going to be a question of when they will shut down not if especially if the airlines keep cutting back service and going out of business.

You'll just keep seeing more airline consolidations than anything.

Transit Improvement Projects-Project and Status

1. Transit Center Renovation: Demolition and pathway marking complete. IFB responses received and short-listed. Interviews with short-listed firms scheduled for 5/28.
2. Bus Improvements: Bus painting and bodywork underway. Condition of each bus being reviewed and fixes being applied.
3. Route Signage: 150 signs received and are being installed.
4. Passenger Shelters: Finalizing design for presentation to Design and Preservation Committee in July.
5. Maintenance Facility: Quotes for roof repair received.
6. Transit-oriented sidewalk, trail and bikeway improvements: No progress.
7. Underground Storage Tank (154 Augusta Street): Water contamination probable. Buses are being fueled from Hudson Street Service Center. Will develop mitigation plan.
8. Proposed route/service expansion: Proposals received from McDonald Transit. On hold at present due to funding limitations.
9. Transit Vision/Master Plan: No progress.
10. Fleet Replacement Plan: Replacement plan developed. Will explore funding options.
11. Property Disposal (106 Augusta Street): Background materials assembled. Will develop IFB for processing by City Purchasing Department.

Oops. Another one bites the dust: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080701/BUSINESS/807010334/1003

:uh: We're being invaded: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080701/BUSINESS/807010336/1003

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Homes:
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Oops. Thanks Raleigh-NC. :lol: :D

Am I the only one who sees double? Everything appears twice :nuts:

Great photos, g-man :okay: Griffin Park is one of my favorite projects and can't wait to see it completed. Thanks to your photos - although you keep driving the price of the gasoline higher - I get a very clear idea of the progress made in that community... Excellent work!!!

Sorry about the double post. :lol: The forum has been going nuckin futs lately. :nuts:

:applause: Greenville's own selected to US Olympic team. One of only five: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080701/SPORTS/80701032

Great update on the Griffin Park progress. This is one of those destination type places that Greenlink needs to add to its radar. If a development is setup to accommodate transit, then the transit system should plan on including it... It's too bad that Greenlink doesn't currently service Simpsonville. Anyway, it looks fantastic! :banana:

Great update on the Griffin Park progress. This is one of those destination type places that Greenlink needs to add to its radar. If a development is setup to accommodate transit, then the transit system should plan on including it... It's too bad that Greenlink doesn't currently service Simpsonville. Anyway, it looks fantastic! :banana:

There is a reason they built that bus stop at Griffin Park. ;)

Come out to Fluor Field July 4th following the game for Drive Fest. Moonbounces, live music, face painting, food/drinks, etc. Stick around until 10:15pm to watch the downtown fireworks show from the comfort of a ballpark seat. :) Admission is free. More information on this event can be found here: http://greenvilledrive.com/news/index.html?article_id=351

Drive maintains record sales pace
Team pushing for higher season ticket usage

Richard Breen-GSA Business

Like a rising fastball, attendance at Greenville Drive games continues to defy gravity, but as the second half of the season begins, the team hopes to pull off a different trick – turning the same number of tickets into more people.

“I still think we’ve got a lot to do in this market,” says Mike deMaine, general manager for the minor league baseball team.

Rating the team’s business performance 90 on a 100 scale, deMaine says the team has overcome a couple of rainy weekends early in the season to post attendance numbers that are ahead of last year’s record-setting pace. Halfway through the season, the team has drawn attendance of 169,363 compared to 165,923 at the same point in 2007.

“A lot of that has to do with how well Mike runs the club,” says Eric Krupa, president of the South Atlantic League.

I love those houses! They have character...unlike these other cookie cutters we typically see.

Cool photos. :cheers:

LivN-Nsidout:
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Cascades at Verdae: http://www.triangleconstruction.com/cascades_jun08/index.htm
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I love those houses! They have character...unlike these other cookie cutters we typically see.

Cool photos. :cheers:

I agree. This is a very good development and will look even better with time. Those houses look great; they have character and there are several different styles of architecture. Quality seems to be very high for new development. Also gotta love the sidewalks with trees. Just imagine how this area will look in 30+ years with mature trees and the houses won't look quite so sterile and perfect. What a great looking, smart development. :cheers:

;) Well, it is DPZ designed:
http://www.dpz.com/project.aspx?Project_Number=516&Project_Name=Griffin+Park

Hilton Garden Inn webcam:
http://www.kbigc.com/tabid/62/default.aspx

Im on my new sidekick xl this is nice but what's been going on peeps im in takoma park, md? (A few mins away from dc and silver spring). I couldn't look at the cherrydale plans so can someone tell me about them and g man there will be 240000 sqft of office at the former woolsworth site that's great thanks for the info.

Macon, Georgia checking out Greenville, SC: http://www.macon.com/198/story/373347.html

Pensacola, Florida checking out Greenville, SC: http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080705/NEWS01/807050315

Carolina First Center:
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Big-Box Mart shopping center:
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Gateway development:
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Easley Town Center:
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Greenville Hospital System Research Center:
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Acadia is certainly a great looking community that seems to offers some good housing options. As an observation, I hate the way developers have been building the garages in many new homes (see below):

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I know that they've been doing this in many areas - Raleigh included - but who are they trying to fool? A freakin' garage on the front will look unfriendly most of the times. I am sure many people find this attractive, but given an option some of them might have opted for a garage in the back. Sorry for venting, and thanks for the photos g-man... I see that the gas prices have not intimidated you. You must be doing very well these days. Today I went to see this baby (see photo below) in person, and let me tell you: IT ROCKS!!! Too bad a 6.1L engine sucks more gasoline than I am willing to pay for :(

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All I see a Red X. What kind of car is that? :rant: :cry:

I just saw the plans for the new bus shelters that were posted on urbanplanet. After I saw them I immediately sent an email to the city manager letting him know how I feel. It looks nothing short of ugly and uninspiring. It to me looks no different than the one on Augusta Street in front of the maintence center next to fluid field. :bash:

I just saw the plans for the new bus shelters that were posted on urbanplanet. After I saw them I immediately sent an email to the city manager letting him know how I feel. It looks nothing short of ugly and uninspiring. It to me looks no different than the one on august street in front of the maintence center next to fluid field. :bash:

Precisely. Why was it some big mystery as to what they would look like during the process of "designing" them. They're standard bus stops! Come on DPC, shoot this down!!!

Precisely. Why was it some big mystery as to what they would look like during the process of "designing" them. They're standard bus stops! Come on DPC, shoot this down!!!

These do not qualify for the DPC rejection. They only reject projects 8 stories high and up.:ohno:

These do not qualify for the DPC rejection. They only reject projects 8 stories high and up.:ohno:

It doesn't matter whether the DPC rejects downtown buildings 8+ stories tall or not. None of them get built in the end. :nuts: :lol:

Thats right G-Man none will get built.

I like it: http://www.greatergreenville.com/city_government/PlanningApplications/applications/2008/August/DesignandPreservationCommission/8-07-2008/CA-8-68-GreenlinkShelters.pdf I changed my mind after reading two posts down from this one. :)

Look familiar: http://www.adsoutdoor.com/uploadedImages/thumbnailimage.aspx?filename=2.07%20Bebe%20Chicago_shelter_possible.jpg&width=400&height=380

I think I figured out why the design of the bus shelter was changed:


Bus passenger shelters – “Leadership Greenville”, who have been working on bus shelters, were contacted. Our maintenance department had issues with bus shelters that were proposed by Leadership Greenville. Such as: 1) Signage at top has free standing letters that could be easily damaged. 2) They were not very deep and did not have sides on them which allowed minimal amount of weather protection. 3) Question of the Materials they were constructed from and how they would be procured. The feeling was that we need to purchase off the shelf because the shelters are going to get vandalized and damaged by vehicles. Maintenance has come up with a series of designs. We are fixed on a modular design which allows flexibility regarding size. For example: There would be need for big shelter at Greenville Technical College, but other areas would not require a large shelter. After meeting with Leadership Greenville, it was discovered that their final design had the same roof design that we were recommending; the only difference was the coverage on the sides and the depth. Leadership Greenville was anxious to get things into place and was less concerned about actual design. Most modular designers have already done business with transit agencies across the country. They already have the bid specs put together and whether or not it is solar powered. Leadership Greenville deferred selection of materials and company because they want shelters to be maintained and look good.

The City is asking the Board to empower them to go to the next level; which is to take the design to Design and Preservation so that they can review it and make sure we they do not have design issues regarding locating these shelters in certain parts of Greenville where the standards are a little more stringent. Once we go through this process, we will be able to say this is what they propose.

Since the request to meet with Design and Preservation is not for permission to purchase, there is not a need to take a formal vote. This comes as a recommendation from the Finance Committee. The Board asked whether they had any objections and there were none.

Precisely. Why was it some big mystery as to what they would look like during the process of "designing" them. They're standard bus stops! Come on DPC, shoot this down!!!

At first I agreed with you but now i'm going to have to disagree with you after reading over everything. You want to create a bus stop that is easier to replace, cheap to build, etc. so other money can be used to expand the current bus service. I would rather have a bus stop that works and costs less than one that looks nice and costs more. :) You want your BRT line don't you or would you rather have nice looking bus stops? Who cares if it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles. You've been to Europe. Look at their bus stops. No different than the ones designed here. I sent the city manager a new email apologizing and saying these new bus shelters will be great for the whole community.

At first I agreed with you but now i'm going to have to disagree with you after reading over everything. You want to create a bus stop that is easier to replace, cheap to build, etc. so other money can be used to expand the current bus service. I would rather have a bus stop that works and costs less than one that looks nice and costs more. :) You want your BRT line don't you or would you rather have nice looking bus stops? Who cares if it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles. You've been to Europe. Look at their bus stops. No different than the ones designed here. I sent the city manager a new email apologizing and saying these new bus shelters will be great for the whole community.

Signed,

gsupstate
Circa July 9, 2008 - 8:36 AM
:lol:

Signed,

gsupstate
Circa July 9, 2008 - 8:36 AM
:lol:

No. Look at post #3746.

We always make the national news for bad things and never for good things: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=658250 :runaway: