Scratch what I said in the post above. Just got some bad information regarding the Pinnacle on Main project. Erm1981 has informed me that he knows what is going on with this project. He heard from a "guy" that he knows who works for Triangle Construction that the reason they pulled their equipment off the job site was because a certain somebody didn't have the money to pay them for certain things. He heard this yesterday. I don't know whether I should be pissed off or just laugh at the fact that this building is officially becoming a joke.

Email from Bob Ellis: We are revisiting some building systems and now is the time because once we start the two-story hole we do not want to stall or change

There's your answer. The building will go up. Be patient. :)

What's a building system?

Check out the Bi-Lo Center's new website. It's fantastic looking: http://www.bilocenter.com/ :cheers:

Scratch what I said in the post above. Just got some bad information regarding the Pinnacle on Main project. Erm1981 has informed me that he knows what is going on with this project. He heard from a "guy" that he knows who works for Triangle Construction that the reason they pulled their equipment off the job site was because a certain somebody didn't have the money to pay them for certain things. He heard this yesterday. I don't know whether I should be pissed off or just laugh at the fact that this building is officially becoming a joke.

Oh jeeez. Well, thanks for sharing.

The Bilo Center's new website does look nice. I'm interested in seeing their new signage on the building...

^^Found out what a building system was:

Building Management System (BMS) is a computer software program, usually configured in a hierarchical manner, to control, monitor and manage all the equipment installed in the building. This equipment can include heating, ventilation, cooling, security, and lighting. Building management systems can be proprietary using such protocols as BacNet, Lon, Modbus, etc. Recently however new vendors are producing BMSs that integrate using Internet protocols and open standards like SOAP, & XML.

There's your answer. The building will go up. Be patient. :)

Nah, I don't think i'll be patient anymore. This thing was supposed to start going up almost two years ago. My patience with this project ended a year ago.

Then at least you have The Peacock Hotel & Spa to sit and watch go up. ;)

Then at least you have The Peacock Hotel & Spa to sit and watch go up. ;)

How is it going up if they haven't even started digging the hole yet? Oh wait, it's not. Remind me again why every skyscraper announced in the last 5 years for Greenville has either been delayed or cancelled.

Remind me again why the Greenville Drive made a new website. Oh yeah, because the old one sucked: http://greenvilledrive.com/ ;)

You know very well that the Peacock site is undergoing romoval of diesel from the ground before they can dig. At least I thought you knew that. ;)

Remind me again why the Greenville Drive made a new website. Oh yeah, because the old one sucked: http://greenvilledrive.com/ ;)They call that a better site?! As of right now, I love the previous one much more.:ohno:

^^I totally agree. It looks like they're not finished with it quite yet though. I'd give it a couple days before I make a full opinion on the changes. :)

You know very well that the Peacock site is undergoing romoval of diesel from the ground before they can dig. At least I thought you knew that. ;)

Yes, I knew that thanks to maninthepark. :) Why did a car repair shop have to be on site before this? :bash:

Good thing they held off on the groundbreaking until everything was in place and they could start construction right away on the Pinnacle on Main. Just think how long we would of had to wait if they hadn't? ;) Should I laugh at the fact this project is becoming a joke or should I get mad because Bob Ellis keeps giving promises that he refuses to keep. I doubt you'll see that announcement for the restaurant in the Pinnacle anytime soon too. Hopefully i'm wrong though.

I think he is doing the right thing by making sure everything is in place before beginning actual construction. I would rather have delays now than have to hold up the project once under construction - or even worse, find problems after the building is up.

Some good giveaway promotions this year for the Greenville Drive including magnetic schedule giveaway, shoeless Joe Jackson plaque, Drive umbrella, Drive tailgate chair, Gabe Kapler bobblehead, and many others that haven't been announced yet. :)

Like I can't see you guys talking about me on urbanplanet. The developer of the project is currently trying to lure a Bass Pro Shops as the main anchor of this development. Whether he succeeds or not at doing this is anybody's guess.

Skyliner wrote this on UP and it was directed to me: He is doing what he always does. "Calculating" a result based on what he sees first hand and what he hopes will happen. Exactly how he comes to the conclusion in the end is anyone's guess. You have no idea what you're talking about. Your assumptions are false and without merit. I would appreciate it if you quit talking about me. Jeez. I've never done anything to you and you still :bash: me, so STOP it.

I apologize for going off on you like that Skyliner. I just don't like it when people talk about me and come to conclusions about things that are false. Acadia entrance hardscape and landscape plan: http://greenvilleplanning.com/land_development/prelim_subs/05-152-Variance%20Letter%20and%20Plats.pdf

Are you ready for some Greenville Drive baseball?

http://upstatelink.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070403/LINK/704030326

http://upstatelink.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070403/LINK/704030324

http://upstatelink.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070403/LINK/704030350

Looks like the Greenville section of urbanplanet is starting to die off. I'm not suprised one bit this is happening due to their strict rules and all.

^Has nothing to do with strict rules. Just because you're not there posting every half second hardly means the Greenville section has died. It is a holiday weekend, you know.

^^I never said it had anything to do with my suspension, did I? It was dead before the holiday weekend. Maybe if you guys over there weren't so strict, you would get more forum members like SSC and SSP and make more money from the sponsors putting ads on your site.

It's all about quality, not quantity. Plus UP still has way more activity than either SSC or SSP. Here, you and erm1981 are the only consistent contributors; Skyliner pops up every so often, and the others only contribute sporadically and much less often. On SSP, the Greenville thread consists of posts that are 95% from you.

The rules on UP really aren't a problem for mature people. ;)

It's all about quality, not quantity. Plus UP still has way more activity than either SSC or SSP. Here, you and erm1981 are the only consistent contributors; Skyliner pops up every so often, and the others only contribute sporadically and much less often. On SSP, the Greenville thread consists of posts that are 95% from you.

The rules on UP really aren't a problem for mature people. ;)

I know 95% of the posts on here come from me. Got a problem with that? A lot of people on here that don't live in Greenville appreciate the fact that I do post information, news, and pics from things going on in Greenville. Krazeeboi isn't telling the whole truth either. He hates Greenville urbanplanet members. He just won't admit it to them. Mature is under-rated and boring.

Mature is under-rated and boring.

The defense rests.

^^I bet all of the greenville urbanplanet members would love to hear what you said about them a few months ago. Also, I would much rather have highrises built downtown then low to mid-rise buildings. You don't even live in Greenville, but you would rather see us have low to mid-rise buildings then highrises. Why is that? Is it because you're worried Greenville will have a bigger skyline soon than Columbia or is it something else?

The Greenville Drive suck. They lost again tonight, which makes them 0-4 for the season. Their website sucks too. At least the game is sold out for tomorrow.

Peace, brothers, peace!!! It's not as if our cities have become urban enough to not have anything else to discuss. No need to be harsh on each other. We are here to discuss and promote urbanity, not turn against each other. After all, we are all passionate about our cities, there is no right or wrong when it comes to that. Just represent, without attacking each other. Y'all have lots to be happy about ;) I have learned so much from all of you, and I am sure I am not alone on this. Not only you have enthusiasm, but also know your cities well. Just keep up the good work and leave any negative feelings aside.

^^Me and krazeeboi are always getting into arguments and bashing each other, so this fight isn't anything new and I highly doubt it will be the last one either. The problem is Columbia and Greenville are pretty much the exact same size in terms of population and size and we are always arguing over which one is larger when neither one is larger than the other. I've always wondered though why he sticks up for Columbia if he doesn't even live there. I have yet to get an answer from him as to why that is.

g-man, there are fine examples of forumers who represent cities they don't live in, yet they represent them well. For example, Matthew, who has given us a ton of great info about Winston-Salem and contributed to the forum with many nice photos. I don't live in Portland (OR), but I do like what the city leaders have done and wish Raleigh followed some of those guidelines, too. Many times I defend Portland - not that it needs defending - and I never lived there. I cannot stop the endless debates between you two - it is not my right to do so - but I can at least try by presenting my views as an outsider. Many non-South Carolina forumers are impressed with both Greenville and Columbia and it will be a shame if good forumers argue amongst each other for no reason. In the old days, we had a lot of Charlotte vs. Raleigh arguments, which proved to be pointless, as both cities continue to grow and prosper. Not to mention the many great projects Charlotte and Raleigh we are getting these days.

I would be more interested to hear the things y'all have in common (i.e. historic preservation, blend of new and old architectures, pedestrian activity, entertainment destinations). There will always be some competition among the cities, but we should never allow this to split us. We can all make mistakes. When pointed out, those mistakes can be fixed, without further debates and without any hard feelings. Just my 2 cents...

I've always wondered though why he sticks up for Columbia if he doesn't even live there. I have yet to get an answer from him as to why that is.

Because I like Columbia. It's the same reason why I "stick up" for Atlanta and DC. What's so hard to understand about that? And technically, you don't live in Greenville either.

I get in arguments with you when I really shouldn't, and it isn't even about what city/metro area is larger or anything like that. You simply have an over-boosterish mentality and can't seem to grasp basic facts. For instance, when I showed the statistics that demonstrated that the Charleston MSA was growing faster than the Columbia and Greenville MSAs, you went off and changed the subject, interjecting counties, CSAs, etc. into the discussion when that's not even what we were talking about. I can't deal with someone who, first of all, cannot dialogue honestly, and secondly, cannot dialogue rationally. All I do is present facts, and you take that as me trying to diss Greenville (i.e., why Spartanburg and Anderson have their own MSAs instead of being included with Greenville's) when that's not even the case. It really must be something in the water over that way.

Back to development news. Something HUGE could be just around the corner for downtown Greenville and it's been a long time coming.

The Gateway site (Old Memorial Auditorium site) will no longer be home to the new Federal Court House, but a developer has a strong interest in the site for retail, residential, and office space! This could be mean more height, urbanity, and a better gateway at this very high-profile site that has sat empty for over a decade. Hopefully more info will come before long.


This is also good news for the Bilo Center because the sale of the site was a part of the Bilo Center funding plan. Now that the site value has gone up, the arena may be finally getting money that it's been counting on...:banana:


Here's the link:http://www.wyff4.com/news/11591253/detail.html

Well...I think you need to look at the broader picture then just city versus city. As long as you have a residence in south carolina then this is the state you live in and whatever the other cities do helps south carolina as a whole. If they were to build a building taller then the capital building in columbia i would be happy for them and go see it cause it is in our state. Im happy to live in Anderson and try to get enjoyment out of what the area has to offer. I work in downtown Greenville every day and take it for what it is which i think is great. No need to argue over simple little things even though it is bound to happen.

It really must be something in the water over that way.


Very sad and uncalled for comment, from someone who is a moderator on another board. Shows exactly how you feel about Greenville.

After reading the above dialogue, I'd say maturity is needed on ALL sides.

Because I like Columbia. It's the same reason why I "stick up" for Atlanta and DC. What's so hard to understand about that? And technically, you don't live in Greenville either.

I get in arguments with you when I really shouldn't, and it isn't even about what city/metro area is larger or anything like that. You simply have an over-boosterish mentality and can't seem to grasp basic facts. For instance, when I showed the statistics that demonstrated that the Charleston MSA was growing faster than the Columbia and Greenville MSAs, you went off and changed the subject, interjecting counties, CSAs, etc. into the discussion when that's not even what we were talking about. I can't deal with someone who, first of all, cannot dialogue honestly, and secondly, cannot dialogue rationally. All I do is present facts, and you take that as me trying to diss Greenville (i.e., why Spartanburg and Anderson have their own MSAs instead of being included with Greenville's) when that's not even the case. It really must be something in the water over that way.

Dude, I lived in Greenville for 18 years until I moved to Powdersville 6 months ago. I also work in downtown Greenville too. Shows how much you know. You're right about that second part though. I did change the subject and I apologize for that. I still don't quite get how the Charleston MSA grew the fastest out of the top 3, but their county grew the slowest out of the top 3.

Back to development news. Something HUGE could be just around the corner for downtown Greenville and it's been a long time coming.

The Gateway site (Old Memorial Auditorium site) will no longer be home to the new Federal Court House, but a developer has a strong interest in the site for retail, residential, and office space! This could be mean more height, urbanity, and a better gateway at this very high-profile site that has sat empty for over a decade. Hopefully more info will come before long.


This is also good news for the Bilo Center because the sale of the site was a part of the Bilo Center funding plan. Now that the site value has gone up, the arena may be finally getting money that it's been counting on...:banana:


Here's the link:http://www.wyff4.com/news/11591253/detail.html

Great news and all, but how many developers have proposed bids on this site and how many have gone through? I''ll believe it when I see it. I'm just praying for a tower. This was one of the rumored ones that could be between 15-30 stories i've been hearing about lately, but it's just a rumor, so don't get too excited yet. Anybody think it could be the site of Bob Ellis's secret uptown tower?

Not that I know any good prayers, but I will pray for you guys to get a nice tower... as tall as it can be :)

^^Instead of where's Waldo, we should start playing where's Donald. Oh wait, Charlotte. :lol:

Not that I know any good prayers, but I will pray for you guys to get a nice tower... as tall as it can be :)

We might need it, as G-man said, this site has had many many proposals over the past 10 years. But I from the sound of the article it sounds like the most promising thing to come to the table thus far. I'm going to hold out hope on this one.:cheers:

^^I emailed Jim Bourey about it to see if I could get any more information. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a proposal for a 3-story building. :lol:

Very sad and uncalled for comment, from someone who is a moderator on another board. Shows exactly how you feel about Greenville.

Nope, not the city of Greenville (which I rather like), only certain, not all, Greenville forumers (for the life of me, I don't understand why that distinction is so hard to grasp). Kinda like a "Jesus, save me from your followers" type of thing.

And you just love bringing up my moderator status, don't you? LOL Get over it already.

^^I emailed Jim Bourey about it to see if I could get any more information. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a proposal for a 3-story building. :lol:

I would hope for atleast 2 towers. :) Hopefully staggered in height with the tallest being... oh, let's say 25 stories? The other can chill at 12 floors if it wants...

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And you just love bringing up my moderator status, don't you? LOL[/QUOTE]

No, just love laughing at the immaturity.:lol: Some day maybe.........hopefully...........I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. :lol:

No, just love laughing at the immaturity.:lol: Some day maybe.........hopefully...........I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. :lol:

Yeah, buddy. I'm sure you've already cried and whined in a PM to the powers that be for the 153rd time--if you want to talk about immaturity, and that's just for starters. You'd be better off not even trying to go down that road, that's for sure.

And that's all I have to say about that. Back to Greenville development news...

Yeah, buddy. I'm sure you've already cried and whined in a PM to the powers that be for the 153rd time--if you want to talk about immaturity, and that's just for starters. You'd be better off not even trying to go down that road, that's for sure.

And that's all I have to say about that. Back to Greenville development news...

Huh? I did NOT understand that first part at all. Why would gsupstate PM you 153 times? You're confusing me more than I confuse me and that's hard to do. Also, I saw RestedTraveler at the Greenville Drive game last night when I was working. He didn't see me though. Good to see him back in town. :)

He knows what I'm talking about.

If y'all don't unite for the common good of South Carolina, I will post here a photo of Raleigh's skyline, or even worse, a photo of the Brier Creek shopping center, just to scare the sh*t out of you :rofl:

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.....some youngsters just aren't worth it!

^Neither are some AARP members. Maturity has nothing to do with age.

And I'm not as young as I think you think I am.

If y'all don't unite for the common good of South Carolina, I will post here a photo of Raleigh's skyline, or even worse, a photo of the Brier Creek shopping center, just to scare the sh*t out of you :rofl:

That's sounding like a good idea. :bash:


Any want to give an update on some developments? Brick Street Lofts? The Field House? The Peacock? McBee Station? Something, anything to discuss development in Greenville? Speaking of which, does anyone know for sure when The Washington will begin construction? (phase II of the bookends)

That's sounding like a good idea. :bash:


Any want to give an update on some developments? Brick Street Lofts? The Field House? The Peacock? McBee Station? Something, anything to discuss development in Greenville? Speaking of which, does anyone know for sure when The Washington will begin construction? (phase II of the bookends)

Ok. Brick work has started on the Brick Street Lofts, The Field House at the West End is complete and construction is moving right along on Liberty Taproom, and phase II of Bookends is scheduled to start in May. Everything else seems to be delayed or is on hold including Peacock and Pinnacle.

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.....some youngsters just aren't worth it!

I hope you don't mean me, seeing how i'm fairly young. :lol:

Yeah, buddy. I'm sure you've already cried and whined in a PM to the powers that be for the 153rd time--if you want to talk about immaturity, and that's just for starters. You'd be better off not even trying to go down that road, that's for sure.

And that's all I have to say about that. Back to Greenville development news...
While you continue playing politics with "the powers that be" for your own gain, please refrain from making a fool of yourself here. Gsupstate is a valuable member of this forum and resident of Greenville and you have no worthy reason to degrade him in such a manner. If you do not truly like Greenville, I recommend staying out of these discussions. We would love for you to prove you care by actually taking time to visit and explore our city as you do Columbia and Spartanburg. Your understanding of what is happening here would become much more real then. As it is, you show no sincere interest in this place, while you continue to devote so much time praising the development of Columbia and Spartanburg. Don't think people are unaware of this, or surprised when you are criticized for it.

Gsupstate, the Kimbrell's building will not be an entrance for the Peacock Hotel and Spa that I recall. That might have changed though, so i'm not totally sure. The main entrance for the hotel will be on Spring Street, while the condo entrance will be on McBee Avenue along the side of the building. Also, I agree with Skyliner's statement that was posted above.

Whatever happens to to the Kimbrell's site, I hope it includes an attractive retail component with residential overhead.

^^The second part of that sentence is taking place right now. Should be complete pretty soon, I would think. :)

While you continue playing politics with "the powers that be" for your own gain, please refrain from making a fool of yourself here. Gsupstate is a valuable member of this forum and resident of Greenville and you have no worthy reason to degrade him in such a manner. If you do not truly like Greenville, I recommend staying out of these discussions. We would love for you to prove you care by actually taking time to visit and explore our city as you do Columbia and Spartanburg. Your understanding of what is happening here would become much more real then. As it is, you show no sincere interest in this place, while you continue to devote so much time praising the development of Columbia and Spartanburg. Don't think people are unaware of this, or surprised when you are criticized for it.

Dude, you really have no idea the times I've stopped through Greenville to check out the progress, usually on my way to Atlanta. Most of the times it's at night, and I don't really take good night shots. The times I have visited downtown during the day, I didn't really take any shots because Greenville has more than enough photo representation here and on other forums (whereas Columbia and Spartanburg don't have very much in comparison), and that's usually the only reason why I take pictures anyway. So don't think that because you don't see any pictures that I have not visited. At any rate, I do have plans to check out a really nice downtown festival next weekend in Greenville, and I will bring my camera, so there--you'll have your pics.

And might I kindly suggest that you leave the discussions between me and gsupstate to us. The little "spat" here goes way beyond this, to things you don't see behind the scenes. At any rate, he's a big boy and can take care of himself. And the only people who generally make fools of themselves are those who can't take constructive criticism of their cities, or of issues affecting their cities, from outsiders without thinking it means that such "chums" don't like their city. That's part of the reason why I don't always comment on Greenville developments; if I don't have 100% "nice" things to say, some people get defensive (and yes, it has happened before). I do not have this problem in the other city forums. It's quite sad, really.

Actually, you make it quite clear by your discussions (yes, I read all of them) that you do not like Greenville as you say you do. Your attempt to defend yourself is weak. If you really do care about this city you will provide much more than criticism. And might I suggest that I do have the right to take a stand in defense of both a loyal forum member and my city when people like you set out to make problems that are not "behind the scenes." I am quite critical of certain issues here in Greenville (I do live here afterall), as you should know if you actually read our discussions. As for your excuse about not taking photos of Greenville, I'm sure you have another "logical" reason for taking time to post photos of Charlotte, one of the most photographed cities on forums such as these?

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Actually, you make it quite clear by your discussions (yes, I read all of them) that you do not like Greenville as you say you do. Your attempt to defend yourself is weak. If you really do care about this city you will provide much more than criticism. And might I suggest that I do have the right to take a stand in defense of both a loyal forum member and my city when people like you set out to make problems that are not "behind the scenes." I am quite critical of certain issues here in Greenville (I do live here afterall), as you should know if you actually read our discussions. As for your excuse about not taking photos of Greenville, I'm sure you have another "logical" reason for taking time to post photos of Charlotte, one of the most photographed cities on forums such as these?

You obviously have this "victim" mentality, and I really don't know what to do about that. I could give links to the great comments I've made about Greenville on places where no one from Greenville posts, but for what purpose? I could also link to the very first Greenville photo thread ever shown here on SSC, posted by yours truly (waaaay before any of you guys ever got here), but for what? I've even praised Greenville and corrected erroneous assumptions about it on the Columbia subforum of UP more than a few times. But hey, your mind is totally made up and I don't even think it's worth the energy to prove something to someone that I'll probably never even meet and who, frankly, really isn't worth it.

And I never said that YOU weren't critical of your city, but that you get upset when others, particularly outsiders, give constructive criticism about projects, etc. I remember when I suggested that ICAR be built downtown--you about tore my head off.

As for me taking pictures of Charlotte--hellllloooo, that's practically where I live, so that's natural. Secondly, Charlotte doesn't have nearly as much photo representation on UP as it used to have. Furthermore, all of those recent photos are from only one photo shoot a few weeks ago.

This isn't NEARLY as serious as you're making it out to be. But hey, it's your life, so what can I say?

Sad that anytime there is a flamewar, anywhere on these forums, krazee you seem to be in the middle of them.

That is a flat out lie. You only notice them because you love the opportunity to jump on me about it.

And I do think I treat Greenville very fairly. Give me an example where I have not. Note: don't confuse Greenvillians with Greenville.

...But hey, your mind is totally made up and I don't even think it's worth the energy to prove something to someone that I'll probably never even meet and who, frankly, really isn't worth it.
...:blahblah: That statement says everything we need to know about your juvenile arrogance. It is little wonder you recieve such disrespect in return.

Answer this honestly, Skyliner: if I were to give those links, comb through various forums and subforums offering all that I mentioned as proof, would it really change your mind? I mean really? If you say that it might, I would really be willing to meet you halfway on this. I just never thought I would be in this position where I would have to "prove" something like this. It would take me some time, but like I said, I'd be willing to do it. I would have no problem being proved wrong as to what you would be willing to see and hear in this regard.

Very first downtown Greenville photo thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=310825

My post about Greenville in another thread before the any of you guys got here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=4507636&postcount=53

A UP thread I started: http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13891

I know you have had nice things to say about Greenville in the past. I remember those days well and am glad you shared what little you knew of this city. It is sad how a person's will can change with the political wind, ultimately ending up full of contradiction. For example, in one of the threads linked to above there was a quote by one Columbia member that completely contradicts what he has said about Greenville recently. I do not believe you to be on a mission to completely bring Greenville down, however the current clear indications point to an insincere front that you "like" the city when you don't. For the record, you are wearing the same shoes I once wore, and the same pressure was thrust upon me from the Columbia members after offering objective criticism. Unfortunately, I did not have an ally in "the powers that be" as you seem to have. I did not play politics beyond the point of conviction. Injustice is a very natural human trait and no one is immune from its allure, regardless of hierarchical "status." I have forgiven everyone for their part in that event.

Now on to much better discussion. :horse:

I know you have had nice things to say about Greenville in the past. I remember those days well and am glad you shared what little you knew of this city. It is sad how a person's will can change with the political wind, ultimately ending up full of contradiction. For example, in one of the threads linked to above there was a quote by one Columbia member that completely contradicts what he has said about Greenville recently. I do not believe you to be on a mission to completely bring Greenville down, however the current clear indications point to an insincere front that you "like" the city when you don't. For the record, you are wearing the same shoes I once wore, and the same pressure was thrust upon me from the Columbia members after offering objective criticism. Unfortunately, I did not have an ally in "the powers that be" as you seem to have. I did not play politics beyond the point of conviction. Injustice is a very natural human trait and no one is immune from its allure, regardless of hierarchical "status." I have forgiven everyone for their part in that event.

Now on to much better discussion. :horse:

Sky, seriously, what "front" are you talking about? Are you referring to when I posted stats in the more recent threads here? Concerning the older threads, I started with them because I had to dig to find them so I wanted to get them out of the way. I will also offer more recent comments and yes, some of them are in the Columbia subforum at UP.

I really have no idea how we got to the place where we are now. Clearly, my favorite SC city is Columbia, and I make no qualms about that. However, for some, I think this translates into being anti-Greenville when it actually doesn't.

I don't know about anyone else, but as for you Sky, ever since we butted heads on the ICAR thread (http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11300&st=120) on UP, our interactions have been altered. The situation there was resolved rather quickly, but still, I can tell it left a bad taste in your mouth. You pretty much did the same thing in the "Greenville Highrise Index" thread, when my comments weren't even specific to Greenville. You just give these terse comments that show that you're taking something personal that shouldn't be. I have no idea why you feel that way, because I'm not slighting your city at all when I do that. Trust me, I've had much more scathing comments for Columbia and Charlotte in particular, yet no one takes such commentary as seriously as you tend to.

I can tell you this much: there are very, very few cities that I genuinely dislike. I always try to see the positives in a city, even in a city that left me greatly underwhelmed (e.g., Detroit). Even if I have a bad experience with someone who lives in a city, I do not judge the entire city by that person. No one from Greenville has done anything to me, and I have absolutely no reason to dislike Greenville. I think some of you guys think I do because I'm pro-Columbia and you guys see Columbia as competition whether you want to admit it or not. In a sense that's true, but they compliment each other more than anything (as they are more alike than different--again, whether you admit to it or not), and the strengths of one city do not negate the strengths of the other. I know that gsupstate in particular tends to take jabs at Columbia whenever presented with the opportunity to do so, but to his credit he has calmed down a little with this as of late. And of course, if I like the city, I'm going to defend it. Again, this is interpreted as being anti-Greenville simply because I am coming against the opinion or point of view of a Greenvillian, when in actuality it is not. This is why I keep saying that some of you can't separate residents of your city from the city itself.

Your comments above pretty much prove that what I said earlier is true: no matter what evidence I cite, you are committed to your preconceived point of view. Yet you have cited nothing as proof in your defense. Seriously, where does that leave me?

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You are incorrect. I really am not interested in Columbia and stay away from that forum. I only jab at Columbia when Columbians jab at Greenville.

I disagree. Understand that I'm using "jabs" here in a very broad sense, and that can cover anything from outright insults to not being totally honest about some issue to only highlighting the negative in a discussion. For instance, in the Greenville Highrise Index you said, "the SC capitol city has several highrises downtown and not much street level activity," when this is not true. It may apply to Main Street, but that is only one urban district downtown out of three, and the other two (Vista, Five Points) have much street-level activity. Another example can be found here (http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=21288&view=findpost&p=441570), where I was attempting to get things a bit settled when it was apparent that things were getting heated. But in response you said this (http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=21288&view=findpost&p=441878) which was totally unwarranted, unrelated to the discussion, and did not help things at all. You singled out Columbia when I also mentioned Charleston. Why no jab at Charleston and only a jab at Columbia? No one made a jab at Greenville prior to that point, by the way.

If I'm misreading things, then by all means, feel free to correct me.

I've never understood the jabs from Columbians.....why would anyone from Columbia, that is double the size of Greenville, be concerned with Greenville?

You know as well as I do that Greenville and Columbia are similarly-sized places and that municipal population really doesn't count for anything within this context.

And they should be concerned because Greenville has excelled in some areas where Columbia needs work. I've said this before, so I'm not just saying this for the occasion.

Let Greenvillians be happy and love their city. It took me years of living in Dallas, Boston, DC, Pitt, Atlanta, etc to finally find a place as awesome as Greenville! I love the place, Skyliner loves it, most of the forumers from GV love it. It has an energy. Does it bother you that we love it so? If not, whats the deal? Why are you always actively involved in discussion like this that downplay or question Greenville? What concern is it to you?

I have no problems with anyone loving their city; that's a great thing that Greenvillians have as much civic pride as they do. But when this translates into insecurity when another city's virtues are extolled (and nothing negative is being said about one's own), that's not good (a prime example of that can be found here (http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=21288&view=findpost&p=440162)). When you have to put down other cities to make your own look good, something is wrong.

Why am I always actively involved in discussions like this that downplay or question Greenville? Do you know how this particular discussion came up? I'll save you the trouble. G-man, in the thread "Atlanta growth tops in nation" in the general Southeastern section, said that I was "looking down" Greenville because I made the simple observation that Anderson and Spartanburg counties didn't have at least 25% of its workforce commuting into Greenville County in order to make it all one MSA (see that post here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=12553689&postcount=58); you also might want to check out a few posts before this one just to get a feel for the context of the discussion). In the other thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=460089&page=2), "Raleigh-Cary, NC in the top 10 fastest growing areas of country," I simply said that I was surprised that Charleston wasn't mentioned in an article in the Charlotte Observer in a section that talked about fast-growing metro areas in the Carolinas, as Charleston is the fastest-growing major metro in the state. G-man (yep, there he is again) then said that the article didn't mention Charleston because it isn't growing as fast as Greenville, Columbia, or Myrtle Beach. I then corrected him on that, and you can see where it went from there.

So that's how we got to where we are right now. Now, you show me where I slighted Greenville in the least in any of those threads. I really and truly don't believe you can say that I did in all honesty, because I absolutely did not. Again, this goes to the "sensitization" factor, where some of you guys feel as though if your city/metro isn't being put up on a pedestal that it is being attacked. It's a thin line between civic pride and blinding boosterism.

I wasn't being the antagonist that y'all are making me out to be in the least.

I wish you the best krazee, wherever you end up living, but gosh man, just let us Greenvillians enjoy our life. OK? And if you think we are being stupid or dopey or wallowing in our love for Greenville, then let us be stupid and dopey and wallow. I hope you find the kind of place than can bring you sincere joy as I have found in Greenville. Best wishes to you.

I don't think you guys are being stupid and dopey for loving Greenville. It's only when I feel as though your love for city causes you to go overboard when it concerns other cities that I feel the need to speak up and say something, and that's what has been happening with some of you.

I'm actually glad that we're getting this out in the open. This should have happened a while back.

What happened to my Greenville Developments thread? It's been hijacked. :lol:

Krazeeboi, how would you explain the over-sensitive reponse by most of the Columbia forum members? You are quick to jump on Greenville members for coming to the defense of their city, yet you ignore the same defensive actions coming from Columbia forum members anytime someone says something negative about their city. One could easily say that you are being highly sensitive and defensive about this whole issue, right?

Why am I always actively involved in discussions like this that downplay or question Greenville? Do you know how this particular discussion came up? I'll save you the trouble. G-man, in the thread "Atlanta growth tops in nation" in the general Southeastern section, said that I was "looking down" Greenville because I made the simple observation that Anderson and Spartanburg counties didn't have at least 25% of its workforce commuting into Greenville County in order to make it all one MSA (see that post here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=12553689&postcount=58); you also might want to check out a few posts before this one just to get a feel for the context of the discussion). In the other thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=460089&page=2), "Raleigh-Cary, NC in the top 10 fastest growing areas of country," I simply said that I was surprised that Charleston wasn't mentioned in an article in the Charlotte Observer in a section that talked about fast-growing metro areas in the Carolinas, as Charleston is the fastest-growing major metro in the state. G-man (yep, there he is again) then said that the article didn't mention Charleston because it isn't growing as fast as Greenville, Columbia, or Myrtle Beach. I then corrected him on that, and you can see where it went from there.


^^You are mostly correct. I didn't really say you downplayed Greenville, but I did wonder how many people had to live in a certain county for it to be considered part of the MSA and you answered it. Also, I did say the Charleston metro area wasn't growing as fast and only gained a little over 2,000 people in the past year, but that was just for the city and not for the MSA and you corrected me on that.

Gsupstate said one time that my local Eckerd must be out of my medicine, so I wasn't able to take it that day and Krazeeboi along with Skyliner are always bashing me for being young and immature, so I don't really know who to agree or disagree with on this whole debate. Being mature is what makes urbanplanet boring and more stricter than North Korea.

Krazeeboi, how would you explain the over-sensitive reponse by most of the Columbia forum members? You are quick to jump on Greenville members for coming to the defense of their city, yet you ignore the same defensive actions coming from Columbia forum members anytime someone says something negative about their city. One could easily say that you are being highly sensitive and defensive about this whole issue, right?

You do have a very valid point there.

Krazeeboi, how would you explain the over-sensitive reponse by most of the Columbia forum members? You are quick to jump on Greenville members for coming to the defense of their city, yet you ignore the same defensive actions coming from Columbia forum members anytime someone says something negative about their city. One could easily say that you are being highly sensitive and defensive about this whole issue, right?

To be honest, I do not see nearly as much defensiveness coming from the Columbia forumers. If you have any specific instances in mind, I wouldn't mind seeing them. I really only see some of the Columbia forumers get up in arms whenever there are instances where Greenville is invoked in a Columbia topic, and that's not really all that often, whereas it seems as though Columbia can get dissed even when no one is making any types of statements against Greenville. That's the general trend I see. Now everyone has a bit of bias to a certain extent, so if there are any specific instances you have in mind that doesn't fit this bill, I would sincerely like to see them. Whenever there have been instances where I feel as though Greenville isn't properly represented, I do make an effort to try and correct that; you can see instances of that here (http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=9553&view=findpost&p=680893) and here (http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=9692&view=findpost&p=624988) (that last link is a comment specifically in response to those of a Columbian's views of Greenville; scroll back a few posts. If I really hated Greenville, trust me, I would have seized upon that opportunity to diss the city)--these would be some of the more recent examples.

As to me possibly being "highly sensitive and defensive about this whole issue," I'm not seeing how that can be the case. I was actually trying to get this thread back on track, but then you made some comments that took us in the direction we're going in now (I hope that didn't come off as sarcastic because truly that's not my intention I promise you). I'm merely trying to present my side of the story here. We wouldn't even be in this mess now if it wasn't for a certain Greenville forumer, and I have provided the links that show how it all got started. Besides following him up in the first place, show me where I have erred or where I have "looked down" on Greenville, or where I have put up a front, or whatever the case may be. I have been asking for these lines of evidence in several of my posts. I'm really trying to foster a constructive dialogue here, because it really shouldn't be like this. When I say I am pro-South Carolina, I truly mean it. I want Greenville to succeed and prosper because it is South Carolina. Now some of you aren't going to believe that, but I can't do anything about that, but it is what I sincerely believe.

^^Yeah, I wonder who that certain Greenville forumer was that got this whole debate started with you? I sure can't figure it out. ;)

Personally, i'm starting to get sick of this debate, so can we please just end it NOW and get on with what this thread is really supposed to be about. I tried to end this debate TWICE earlier today with the posts about Kimbrell's and the gateway site, but some people just can't get enough.

Is the federal courthouse that was proposed for the gateway site still going to be built somewhere else downtown or is it dead?

Is the federal courthouse that was proposed for the gateway site still going to be built somewhere else downtown or is it dead?

I would think so. They're renting space downtown and it would make more sense to consolidate into one building to save money in the long run. Hmm, any ideas on a good site? I would like for the site to be landlocked and small to force the complex to be compact and urban. (i.e: I'd rather not see another Greenville County Courthouse which is something like 3 stories and takes up an entire block... Perhaps the Main at Broad site? (haha as long as they want to stay under the height of city hall :lol: )

Also, Krazee are you coming to Artisphere? (is that this weekend???) I hope you enjoy it if you make it down. It should be even better than past years and that's saying a lot. We'll see I guess. Too bad I can't make it though.

Yep, I actually do have plans to come. It really looks like a fun event, judging from the pics I saw from last year. It's next weekend; I'll be in Greensboro this weekend. :)

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Back to Greenville Developements.............eh?

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or Anderson developments?

According to Jim, James, or whatever you want to call him Bourey, we should see definitive proposals for the old woolworth and memorial auditorium sites downtown in the next several weeks

According to Jim, James, or whatever you want to call him Bourey, we should see definitive proposals for the old woolworth and memorial auditorium sites downtown in the next several weeks

Excellent! Thanks for letting us know, g-man! :)

^^You're welcome. Also, you guys will not shut up about this Magnolia Park Town Center issue on urbanplanet even if it killed you. Magnolia Park Town Center is TWO different developments. Menin Development only owns the part they bought. They did not buy or own the Costco/Rooms To Go land, only the part that includes Regal Cinemas, Sports Authority, old Palmetto Home and Garden, and the old Montgomery Ward building. I should know seeing how i've been in email contacts with the president of Menin Development. Mallguy is an idiot and will not accept the facts. If he wants high-end stores, tell him to move to Atlanta or wait until this development to get built. I guarantee you the stores and restaurants in this place will be very upscale and high-end when finished.

Apparently Mallguy's and gsupstate's Eckerd, CVS, or Walgreen's was closed today. :lol: Just four more days until I get to back to UP and tell them the real truth about this project.

I know more about this project than probably anybody else on UP: http://projects.resalt.net/magnolia_v2/index.php

According to Jim, James, or whatever you want to call him Bourey, we should see definitive proposals for the old woolworth and memorial auditorium sites downtown in the next several weeks

Awesome. It'll be great to see some proposals for the sites. It's more than we've ever seen for either. So it's looking good, I'd say. Hopefully it will drum up excitement and they'll get off the ground soon.

Centrally located between Atlanta and Charlotte, Greenville is one of the most rapidly growing areas in the country and the fastest in the state.

Uh oh. They're going to get attacked about their statement on the website for Magnolia Park.

Apparently Mallguy's and gsupstate's Eckerd, CVS, or Walgreen's was closed today. :lol: Just four more days until I get to back to UP and tell them the real truth about this project.

It was closed today g-man. I've got the shakes. Need my meds. :lol: :lol:

I assume your real truth, is the same real truth I was trying to convey. Oh well.

We'll see you back soon! :okay:

Costco should be starting very soon. Cherokee Masonry will be building it.

Yep, I actually do have plans to come. It really looks like a fun event, judging from the pics I saw from last year. It's next weekend; I'll be in Greensboro this weekend. :)
Hey krazeeboi, have you checked out the official Artisphere website (http://artisphere.us/)? It has been updated with key information about this year's events. I am planning to definitely make it to Dr. Maya Angelou's presentation at The Peace Center for the Performing Arts on Saturday.

Oh yeah, I forgot Maya Angelou is supposed to be there. Thanks for reminding me.

Article on the new proposed 9-story tower at Court Squre downtown. They HOPE to start in July!

http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070412/BUSINESS/70412017

^^You beat me to it. :( :lol:

^^You beat me to it. :( :lol:

Which surprised me :)

Greenville-Spartanburg to resemble Atlanta by 2040 at current growth rate and is currently the 5th fastest growing area in the country: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070413/BUSINESS/704130331/1003

Greenville-Spartanburg to resemble Atlanta by 2040 at current growth rate and is currently the 5th fastest growing area in the country: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070413/BUSINESS/704130331/1003

:ohno: I hope that proper planning can be implemented.

:ohno: I hope that proper planning can be implemented.

There is a greater chance of us getting as many towers proposed in the next 5 years as Dubai than that happening, especially in the county. Greenville County Planning Commission is :nuts:

By August and probably before then, we will see the Pinnacle on Main, Peacock Hotel and Spa, Bookends phase II, the 9-story condo tower just announced, and the 8-story condo tower on Rhett Street all going up. Every skyscraper will have a tower crane too, except for the Bookends. :)

Midtowne Park/Cherrydale phase III: http://www.theshoppingcentergroup.com/DSN/wwwtheshoppingcentergroupcom/Commerce/ProductImages/pf000999.pdf

Framing on the apartments on Mcbee station is progressing rapidly.

A lot going on in Greenville. :yes:

Someone should post updated photos of Ridgeland at the Park (http://www.ridgelandatthepark.com/). Those buildings are really looking nice now! That is about as perfect a location to live in the city as just about anywhere, in my opinion - at the edge of downtown and alongside fantastic parks. :okay:

By August and probably before then, we will see the Pinnacle on Main, Peacock Hotel and Spa, Bookends phase II, the 9-story condo tower just announced, and the 8-story condo tower on Rhett Street all going up. Every skyscraper will have a tower crane too, except for the Bookends. :)

Do you think the Rhett Street tower will really be going up this year? I remember them saying that they were in no rush. I've just kind of taken that as meaning that they might wait a few years. I sure hope to see it rising this year. Can you confirm?

The only reason i can see it rising quickly is maybe because the market is pretty hot right now for condos in downtown. Maybe they seem to think it is not going to cool off anytime soon which i dont see happening. Usually when an area reaches the size of Greenville it does not look back much.

The only reason i can see it rising quickly is maybe because the market is pretty hot right now for condos in downtown. Maybe they seem to think it is not going to cool off anytime soon which i dont see happening. Usually when an area reaches the size of Greenville it does not look back much.

Maybe someone will come back and build the Camperdown. The plans have to be drawn by now. That wasn't the holdup as I understand it. I hope that someone can just buy those and pick up where the developer left off... Maybe they'll even add another 5 floors or so... :cheers:

Greenville Journal TBA's for this week:

-Ruth's Chris Steakhouse is officially bringing one of its steakhouses to the Upstate. More information should be coming soon...

-Seven acres of land off of Academy Street in the West End recently changed hands. There is talk of a Florida taking over the site and building a mixed-use development on the site...

-Greer continues to pop. There is talk of a second large shopping center coming to the Interstate 85 section...

-Signs for the new Fresh Market have appeared on Laurens Road. The grocery store will be the main tenant of a new shopping center on Pleasantburg and Antrim Drives, but the developers want to get drivers heading down the main Laurens artery as well...

-The demolition of City Hall Plaza should start by September, but city officials are still debating whether to put a first-floor Council chamber on the site as part of a hotel project...

-The developers of the former Woolworth's site on Main Street will get four more months to pull together property and begin the process of creating something new on the street corner. The city expects most of the block to be revitalized...

-Several popular downtown bars haven't paid their hospitality taxes or for their business licenses. The city may soon shut these businesses down, which could open some rather large holes on Main Street...

-The city is pushing forward with redevelopment in the Green Avenue area. City leaders are trying to attain several commercial parcels in hopes of getting them redeveloped. There is also hope that the former apartments there will be redevelopment for a new use. The city also wants to pursue annexing houses on Guess Street, which adjoins Green, to spark redevelopment...

-The bottom floor of Poinsett Corners, the downtown condo/parking garage/office/retail development is almost filled up. This project has been seen as one of the major benchmarks for growth away from Main Street, and in theory could spur development westward...

:) New urban village that is currently scheduled to include Bass Pro Shops at I-85/Highway 14 intersection in Greer will be bigger than Haywood Mall, which is the biggest mall in South Carolina. So, obviously this will be the biggest mall/urban village center in South Carolina when complete. Notice all of the hints that lead to Bass Pro Shops such as superstore, powercenter, nature exhibits, marine craft, and recreational activities. If that's not a Bass Pro Shops, I don't know what is: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070415/NEWS01/704150341

Concerning the growth that the Upstate will experience up to 2040, I think we'll begin to see I-26 play a much more major role in the Upstate; I-85 only has but so much capacity.

:) New urban village that is currently scheduled to include Bass Pro Shops at I-85/Highway 14 intersection in Greer will be bigger than Haywood Mall, which is the biggest mall in South Carolina.

If I'm not mistaken, Coastal Grand in Myrtle Beach is the state's largest mall. And how many shopping centers along I-85 in the Upstate will this development make?

Concerning the growth that the Upstate will experience up to 2040, I think we'll begin to see I-26 play a much more major role in the Upstate; I-85 only has but so much capacity. If I'm not mistaken, Coastal Grand in Myrtle Beach is the state's largest mall. And how many shopping centers along I-85 in the Upstate will this development make?

Very true about I-26. I'm fairly sure Haywood Mall became the largest mall in South Carolina after they did that expansion several years back. There are going to be a lot of large shopping centers along and near I-85 when they're completed. I'm not sure exactly how many though.

Very true about I-26. I'm fairly sure Haywood Mall became the largest mall in South Carolina after they did that expansion several years back. There are going to be a lot of large shopping centers along and near I-85 when they're completed. I'm not sure exactly how many though.
The new ones include:
Anderson is getting one at exit 19. Greenville will have atleast two- Magnolia Park, and the Point project. Greer will have this new one.
I'm sure I might be forgetting some, but those are the ones I could think of and I'm not sure what's going on in S'burg.

Also, I agree that 26 will become much more important in the upstate in the coming years. I wonder what sort of role it will end up playing...?

Very true about I-26. I'm fairly sure Haywood Mall became the largest mall in South Carolina after they did that expansion several years back. There are going to be a lot of large shopping centers along and near I-85 when they're completed. I'm not sure exactly how many though.

It's been a very long time since I've been to Haywood, but I do remember it being a fairly sizable mall. Coastal Grand is about 1.5 million square feet; do you know how much Haywood has since its expansion? Still, Coastal Grand didn't really feel all that big to me; I guess I'm used to Concord Mills as defining what a large mall should be.

As far as I-26 is concerned, I think its future is also tied in to what's going on in Asheville and western NC. I'm not sure how much growth is happening there, but it's very possible that it could turn into a sprawlicious corridor.

It's been a very long time since I've been to Haywood, but I do remember it being a fairly sizable mall. Coastal Grand is about 1.5 million square feet; do you know how much Haywood has since its expansion? Still, Coastal Grand didn't really feel all that big to me; I guess I'm used to Concord Mills as defining what a large mall should be.


From my experience the title has gone back and forth depending on who you ask. I've never known for sure which was larger.

^^Coastal Grand Mall's leasing area is under 1 million square feet and has over 130 stores: http://www.coastalgrand.com/shop/coastal.nsf/webpages/fact+sheet?opendocument

Haywood Mall's leasing area is 1,230,000 square feet and has over 150 stores: http://www.simon.com/mall/LeasingSheet/Haywood.pdf

Greenville County and Tony Harper come to agreement on large mixed-use development: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/PSPD/CZ-2007-18.pdf

Thanks for the info, g-man.

I actually have a photo update to share! :) While several of the buildings in Ridgeland at the Park (http://www.ridgelandatthepark.com) have yet to come up out of the ground, a couple are well under construction as you can see in the photos below. I have to say again, this is about as perfect a location to live as anywhere else in the city. It is at the edge of downtown and halfway surrounded by beautiful interconnecting parks. Enjoy!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RidgelandAtThePark2007_01.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RidgelandAtThePark2007_02.jpg

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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RidgelandAtThePark2007_04.jpg

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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RidgelandAtThePark2007_06.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RidgelandAtThePark2007_07.jpg

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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/RockQuarryGardenRidgeland_0.jpg

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Officials broke ground on new South Financial Group headquarters yesterday. Completed project will consist of 13 buildings and 1.25 million square feet of office space: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070417/BUSINESS/704170364

Greenville County to consider new bus system: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070417/NEWS01/704170375

Greenville County and Tony Harper come to agreement on large mixed-use development: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070416/NEWS01/704160328/1004/NEWS01 Official website of large mixed-use development called Ottaray: http://www.latone.net/

-Expect an announcement sometime before May 1st regarding the Pinnacle on Main if current schedules are kept.

A few renderings of the new South Financial Group headquarters-phase 1 that will consist of 4 building and a conference center can be found here: http://www.wyff4.com/news/12188676/detail.html

The development at I-85 and Highway 14 will be 1.3 million square feet and include a lifestyle center along with a power center. To give you an understanding what this development will be like, a very similiar development called the Promenade Bolingbrook is under construction in Chicago right now. It will be 1.1 million square feet when complete and includes a lifestyle center and a power center that contains a Bass Pro Shops like how this one might. Here is more information on the the Promenade Bolingbrook: http://www.thepromenadebolingbrook.com/ and http://www.graycor.com/companies/graycorcontent.2006-01-17.5078423063/graycorcontent.2006-01-17.7917676239/graycorcontent.2006-05-17.8206140450/graycorcontent.2006-05-24.4753730273

-There are also several rumors going around that Super Target has been announced for this site, although I can't confirm that. I wouldn't be suprised if this is true though, seeing how they were going to originally open a Super Target one exit down the interstate that didn't work out.

Easley Town Center update. Announced retailers so far are Kohl's and Super Wal-Mart. A Best Buy or Circuit City will also anchor this development, although i'm not sure which one yet: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770419018

-I live only a mile or two from this site and can get to it in under 5 minutes, so you know I hope this center gets built. :)

This is very interesting. It involves Bass Pro Shops and Cabela's stores in South Carolina: http://www.usccie.com/jsp/resources/resources_article_details.jsp?articleType=1804&article_id=30582 and http://www.scstatehouse.net/cgi-bin/web_bh10.exe?bill1=4874&session=116

-The governor vetoed it, but the senate and house overrode it and the bill went into effect on 06/14/06. :)



Here is what the bill says-

Extraordinary retail establishments meeting the following criteria: a single store located in a county with at least 3.5 million visitors a year, must be a destination retail establishment which attracts at least 2 million visitors a year with at least 35% of those visitors traveling at least 50 miles to the establishment, must have a capital investment of at least $25 million including land, buildings and site prep, one or more hotels must be built to service the establishment within 3 years of occupancy, have received a certificate of occupancy after July 1, 2006, and must collect and remit at least $2 million in sales taxes annually.

g-man, I will make a suggestion, and please do not get upset :) I recommend that you place news that you post within short time frame (i.e. #625 and #626) in one post, with some bold-faced titles above each paragraph. That way, it will be easier for forumers like me to follow. Just a suggestion ;) Other than that, I am [still] glad to see all these news coming from Greenville :)

In two recent cases, state legislators voted to amend state laws specially for the chains. The South Carolina state legislature overrode a vehement veto from Governor Mark Sanford, amending its tourism promotion act by extending subsidies to as many as four “extraordinary retail establishments” if they include “an aquarium or natural history exhibit or museum.” Governor Sanford was so incensed by the proposal, enacted for Cabela’s, that he mailed letters denouncing it to three dozen locally owned outdoor sporting goods retailers in the state, and he wrote legislators that it was a troubling precedent because the state had never before subsidized retail investment.

Source: http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/mm2006/092006/leroy-sports.html

-Didn't the developer say it would include recreational activities and nature exhibits? :cheers:

g-man, I will make a suggestion, and please do not get upset :) I recommend that you place news that you post within short time frame (i.e. #625 and #626) in one post, with some bold-faced titles above each paragraph. That way, it will be easier for forumers like me to follow. Just a suggestion ;) Other than that, I am [still] glad to see all these news coming from Greenville :)

I never thought about that. Good idea. I'll start doing that from now on. :)

Project Apple news to come this fall: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070420/BUSINESS/704200344/1003

Are you ready for Artisphere:

http://www.artisphere.us/

http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070420/NEWS01/704200354

http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070420/NEWS01/704200337&GID=7c9i+eYbMQAYcM0y8GncUSmqtg1+x49zClvo8gus4nM%3D

http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070420/LIFE/70419012

http://www.wyff4.com/entertainment/12615537/detail.html

http://www.upstatelink.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070417/LINK/704170330

http://www.whns.com/global/story.asp?s=6402975

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2007/apr/19/maya-angelou-perform-greenville/

Gsupstate is involved with the Magnolia Park Town Center project. Here is an update from him on it:


While a nice project, information I received at the meeting is that Magnolia will be greatly different from Downtown (Downtown has more internal pedestrian flow, Magnolia will have more external pedestrian flow).

1. Magnolia will see the use of major amounts of stone.
2. Magnolia will be more automobile oriented (not as in a sea of pavement, but small landscaped groupings of parking in front of stores).
3. A large percentage of the stores will have dual entrances (one facing parking, one facing interior plazas / walkways).
4. Some of the tenants of Downtown have signed on for Magnolia. (As stated previously in this thread, count on Z Gallerie, Anthropologie.....several of the ones previously stated will come to fruition, Menin has some good retail relationships). Additionally, several of the leases under the previous developer have transfered to Menin.
5. Restaurant and entertainment will comprise close to 40% of the Magnolia Park development.
6. Menin is partnering with a well known hospitality group for the hotel portion. Currently negotiations are on with three hotel brands (two from the same family of brands).

The trees between I-85 and CU-ICAR phase I are now gone. :)

I-85/Highway 14 development loses road funds, but is still going to be built: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070424/NEWS01/704240395/1004/NEWS01

Easley Town Center update: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070424/NEWS01/704240372/1004/NEWS01

Elford Street between Church Street and Main Street will be closed beginning sometime this week in preparation for construction to begin on the Pinnacle on Main project. Detour and road closing signs were going up earlier today when I drove by around 4:30pm.

I got invited to this: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/ENT06/704250439 :)

The road closing and detour signs that were put up along and near Elford Street for the Pinnacle on Main project have been taken down. :(

Magnolia Park Town Center's website has been updated with new aerials and other information regarding the project: http://www.magnoliapark.com/index.php

Ignore this post.

Greenville County Planning Commission approves 500 home development with mixed-use element at Pelham Road/I-85: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/BUSINESS/70425035

Southern Connector is about to go BOOM: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/BUSINESS/704250378 and http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070424/BUSINESS/70424034

I have received word from a very reliable source that Magnolia Park Town Center will include two high-end hotels most likely. I have also received word that the Courtyard by Marriott plans for downtown go to the DPC next Wednesday and if all goes well, the developer will send me a site plan and probably a rendering of the proposed development late next week. :)

Story on huge I-85/Highway 14 development: http://goupstate.com/article/20070427/NEWS/704270329/1026

I have received word from a very reliable source that Magnolia Park Town Center will include two high-end hotels most likely. I have also received word that the Courtyard by Marriott plans for downtown go to the DPC next Wednesday and if all goes well, the developer will send me a site plan and probably a rendering of the proposed development late next week. :)

Sounds positive. The Courtyard by Marriott isn't the City Hall Plaza hotel is it?

Sounds positive. The Courtyard by Marriott isn't the City Hall Plaza hotel is it?

Yes, it is the city hall plaza hotel: http://www.greenvillenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070222/BUSINESS/702220355/1003

Just received this via email-


Dear Friend of Pla d'Adet,

Thank you for your continued interest in Pla D'Adet--A Hincapie
Performance Training Village. Since our press announcement, almost two
months ago, George Hincapie and the development team have made
remarkable progress finalizing the details for this unique training and
fitness community. We have been delighted with the response to the
initial announcement and the "fitness village" concept. Most
importantly, we have completed the master plans reflecting George's
vision for the world's first Hincapie Performance Training Village, and
today, you will be one of the first people to see the plans for this
exceptional community.

In classic fashion, George has outdone himself again. The Hincapie
Performance Training Village is a 60,000 square foot, state-of-the-art,
training, fitness and world class lodging facility. Imagine training on
the same mountains, meadows and valleys where George trains for the
Tour de France and other challenging cycling events.

Pla d'Adet will be a place where you can train indoors in the cardio
center with variable altitude settings up to 12,000 feet above sea
level. It will be a place where you can relax and enjoy the scenic and
graceful mountains of the Blue Ridge. A place where you can live and
train alongside some of the most enthusiastic performance athletes in
the country. Welcome to Pla D'Adet.

Please accept my personal invitation to learn more about Pla d'Adet by
visiting our web site at www.pladadet.com. There you will discover
George's vision for this unique and exclusive community where cycling
and multi-sport fitness enthusiasts can experience the highest level of
personal achievement while enjoying a pleasant year-round climate and
luxurious mountain resort lifestyle.

Pla d'Adet's features include:

--The 40,000 square foot Hincapie Performance Training Center and Lodge
--An indoor 25-meter training pool and an outdoor relaxation pool
--A two-story cardio center with variable altitude settings, expansive
40-foot glass wall for unobtrusive and breath-taking vistas of the
Blue Ridge Mountains
--The Chalets and Maisonettes - lodging facilities owned by the
homeowners and available for use year-round
--A media center, conference room and teaching facilities
--Fitness and testing facilities, with emphasis on performance training
--Massage therapy services

As I have mentioned to you in previous correspondence, Pla d'Adet is
designed to offer the most luxurious training environment anywhere in
the world for discerning owners. For this reason, we are limiting the
number of homes that can be built and will offer only 97 homesites for
sale, each ranging in size from 1.25 acres up to 2.5 acres. The
homesites are situated on 300 acres and wrapped by over four miles of
challenging mountain biking trails and four miles of road courses. Just
outside the gates of Pla d'Adet, you will have the opportunity to
discover over 30 of George's favorite road training courses.
Furthermore, George has personally ensured that Pla d'Adet will be a
cyclist friendly and environmentally green community.

Homesite prices start at $399,000 and are priced up to $1,500,000,
depending on size, view and proximity to the Hincapie Performance
Training Center.

Homesite reservations are currently being accepted. I look forward to
talking with you soon to ensure your access to our wonderful village
community and to the future homesite of your choice.

Wow! The training / performance center looks fantastic! The whole website looks excellent. You should post this at UP too.

^^I would, but I can't until tomorrow night and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why. Right, Krazeeboi? ;)

Acadia Picture update: http://www.acadiasc.com/acnew.html

-700 home mixed-use development no more than 5 minutes from my house. :)

All projects with pics below are currently under construction. This is a very small sampling of what is going on in Greenville right now:

(sorry for the blurryness)
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture003.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture004.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture005.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture006.jpg

Carolina Shops on the mall:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture019.jpg

Cascades at Verdae model home:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture018.jpg



CU-ICAR-

Plaza construction now underway:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture012.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture013.jpg

View of I-85 and Campbell Graduate Center:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture009.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture007.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture008.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture010.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture011.jpg

Dunkin' Donuts move here could create 800-1,000 jobs: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070428/BUSINESS/704280329

A lot of little retail things popping up. Thanks for sharing these.


I LOVE the Graduate School building.:banana:

Credit to RestedTraveler for all pics posted below-

McBee Station:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/476267261_733ebd193f.jpg

Brick Street Lofts:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/184/476227505_c762fb623a.jpg

Someone is getting pretty busy with his camera ;) Thanks for the updates, g-man!!!

^^You're quite welcome, man. I couldn't find the article on the Greenville News website, but it was in the paper this morning on the front page of the Business section. This is a short summary of what the article said:

A 241-acre Westside golf course could become a master planned community with up to 2,136 residential units. River West Properties LLC is asking the Greenville County Planning Commission to rezone the Millstone golf course site on Highway 123 for the proposed River West community. If given final approval by Greenville County Council this summer, the once 18-hole golf course would become a gated community with a mix of single-family houses, multi-family townhouses and condos, and multi-family rental residences. The community would also consist of 165,000 square feet of commercial space, and a minimum of three parks in addition to mini-parks and amenities that would be spread out throughout the neighborhood. There would also be up to 5 miles of community trails and sidewalks, as well as more than 63 acres of community parks. A Greenville County satellite library is in the works for River West too. The entire River West community would take up to 10 years to complete and would be built in phases with the first phase offering residential units starting in the low $200s to the low $300s. Site development could begin in late fall or early winter. River West would be styled as Greenville's "Western Gateway" with its entrance and community appearance being a visual cue to travelers on Highway 123 heading toward Greenville that they are entering a special place.

Griffin Park, which is a DPZ designed mixed-use/TND development in the Simpsonville area of Greenville County that will consist of 1,062 homes is now under construction. The townhouses in the first Phase will range from $283,000 to $375,000, while the houses will range from $195,000 to $600,000+. http://www.griffinpark.com/

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/0516-Main20St20View2_z.jpg

Pics taken earlier today by me:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture002.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture049-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture051-1.jpg

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http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture042-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture045-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture043-1.jpg

Anybody up for a project with a value of $2.4 billion? Well, if you are then "Project Skyline" is what you're looking for. Goes to County Council on May 1st. This has so much large potential, I can't even tell you all about it. Just look under resolutions in next link provided, then click on links listed under Project Skyline A, B, and C: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/Council/agenda.htm

Read paragraph two on next link provided: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/Council/Skyline%20B%20resol.pdf Now read section 1.1-B on next link provided: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/Council/Sky%20line%20B%20Inducement%20Agreement.pdf It only says this project is worth $1,900,000,000.00

Many thanks for the photos of Griffin Park, g-man. I remember seeing some initial rendering(s) and I was looking forward to some updates. Keep us posted on this project on a regular basis ;)

^^Oh come on, Raleigh-NC. You're going to comment on the Griffin Park pics, but not on the $2.4 billion economic development that could be potentially coming here? ;) :lol:

Money is not everything :lol: Seriously, I do better with renderings and photos than I do with reading documents. I was hoping that you would do this and give us the summary ;)

^^^Yeah G-man let us know how the council meeting goes....im wondering what this is going to be.

^^County Council passed a package of incentives for a company that would bring a mixed-use headquarters here worth $2.4 billion over 25 years: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070501/BUSINESS/70501033 :banana:

I dont even live in Greenville, and Im excited about this!!!

if something like this was announced for winston i would probably pass out. lol

$2.4 billion is not the type of investment we can ignore. For any city, this is simply HUGE. I do not have all the details, but I find it hard to believe that anyone could justify the refusal of any incentives... Sounds like this deal is worth EVERY penny the county can spare. Major news, and I can't wait to see the actual plans ;)

^^We should hear a lot more news about this in the next few weeks. I also have updated information regarding the Pinnacle on Main and Peacock Hotel and Spa projects that I will post later today.

Another news story on Project Skyline: http://www.wyff4.com/news/13244057/detail.html

Credit to gsupstate for pic. All 13 buildings plus conference center will go for LEED certification: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/DSC01765.jpg

Pretty cool campus :okay:

That is only the first phase of the campus, if I recall correctly the information that has been reported.

^^Correct. It's only the first out of four phases. If Greensboro can get their 25-35 story towers, why can't we?

^^
Because Greensboro is a bigger city, and possibly a little more established ;) You know that I do believe in Greenville getting high-rise projects, but in all honesty, you have to avoid "campuses" and office parks as much as possible. Around 1990 we were supposed to see the construction of a 29-story tower for First Citizens Bank. They demolished a gorgeous, historic mid-rise, but shortly afterwards they decided against the high-rise and opted for a campus in the middle of nowhere :bash: Years later they chose a "midtown" location, but you get the picture - RBC Plaza is being constructed at the location of the tower that was never built. This campus (Carolina First Bank) looks great, but it does take away the opporunity to build 25+ story buildings.

^^Correct. It's only the first out of four phases. If Greensboro can get their 25-35 story towers, why can't we?

Greensboro is getting 25-35 story towers? Where did you hear this?

^^Don't remember the name of it, but that one development with two towers. One was going to be 30-stories and the other one was going to be like 14-stories. The buildings were blue and had a triangle top if I recall.

That's old. The shorter tower is the old Wachovia tower that's now being turned into condos (and will look nothing like that rendering), and the taller one was supposed to be a new tower (which isn't getting built--maybe in the future, but not now).

^^Just leave me alone and give it a rest dude. You keep coming over to these forums and start bugging me about what I post. Just quit it already. Jeez.

g-man, relax. You made an error and there is nothing wrong admitting it. krazeeboi is correct. One of the towers is the 17-story [former] Wachovia Bldg that was sitting there empty and is now being renovated. There is a speculation for a 30-story twin tower, which I hope it's true. Like I hope you guys get something nice and tall too ;)

I got banned from UP for editing posts. How perfect is that? I edited my posts because some forum members can't keep their mouth shut about certain things and they also weren't related to the topic on the thread at all even though some of them were.

...they also weren't related to the topic on the thread at all even though some of them were.:hilarious:

Weren't you warned about constantly editing posts to change their context?

It's okay though, you could keep posting elsewhere until the same happens again.:lol:

^^Nope. Yeah, laugh it up. You're going to be sorry in a month though.

g-man, editing your posts to alter the meaning is not right, so don't complain. I do edit my posts, occasionally, to correct any grammar/syntax errors, or add something, but not to change the meaning. UP has far stricter rules than SSC, so you should have seen it coming. I was banned from UP for a truly ridiculous reason, and I still don't complain about it.

Yeah, what's the point of complaining. That place was more stricter than North Korea practically.

According to sources, Project Skyline (no, not you Skyliner) will involve one to several interchanges and bridges to be built over I-85 to support the corporate headquarters portion of this massive $2.4 billion development. County Square is not part of the development as much of us once thought. Whether that means it doesn't include downtown or not remains to be seen. Hopefully, the mixed-use part goes downtown. Sounds like we'll have another sprawl corporate headquarters again instead of a tower built downtown. Woopie doo.

Did you get banned from UP again, g-man? How hard is it to comply with the rules?!? I could understand being banned once, but how many times does this make? I'm not trying to be mean, but the rest of us don't seem to have a problem being allowed to post there. You want to be on UP, and we want you on UP, so why not make an effort to keep it that way?

^^Yes, I don't follow rules ever, and I lost count. What's the point of making an effort to be on a website everybody hates me on? Some people, not including you won't stop bugging me and are literally getting on my damn nerves. They also don't know how to keep their mouths shut about certain things. Anyways, expect an article in the next few days from the Greenville News on the Courtyard by Marriott hotel to go up at Main and Broad Streets. Rendering(s) will be included when the article comes out. Condo tower downtown gets DPC approval: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070504/BUSINESS/705040353/1003 I'll post a rendering of this building later today.

^^I lost count. Some people, not including you won't stop bugging me and are literally getting on my damn nerves. They also don't know how to keep their mouths shut about certain things. Anyways, expect an article in the next few days from the Greenville News on the Courtyard by Marriott hotel to go up at Main and Broad Streets. Rendering(s) will be included when the article comes out. Condo tower downtown gets DPC approval: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070504/BUSINESS/705040353/1003 I'll post a rendering of this building later today.

There is already a rendering posted on UP, and TREY posted some info from last night's meeting (he was in attendance).

^^I know there's a rendering posted on UP. This isn't UP though.

To answer your question, Greenville. Yes, it is 7 stories in the front next to Main Street and 9 in the back.

Congrats on the 9-story condo building :okay: I love the way Greenville is building its urban fabric. Any photos of that site as it looks today?

^^I'm going downtown later today and will take one then. I'll post the rendering in a few minutes.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture-1.jpg

Project Skyline will be discussed by Greenville CITY Council in closed-door session on Monday. This in fact means at least one or all three parts of the project will be in the City of Greenville and possibly somewhere downtown if it goes through.

nice, simple tower.

Check out the rendering of downtown's Courtyard by Marriott and new plaza/ice rink!!!:banana: (http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/misc?url=/misc/zoom.pbs&Site=BS&Date=20070504&Category=BUSINESS&ArtNo=70504013&Ref=AR)

That thing is sooo amazing looking. :banana: :banana:

Here is the story on this development: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070504/BUSINESS/70504013

Congrats on the 9-story condo building :okay: I love the way Greenville is building its urban fabric. Any photos of that site as it looks today?

The parking lot where the black car along with others are parked is where it will go. You can see a "public hearing" sign on the black fence next to the site. The Westin Poinsett Hotel is the tall brown building in the background just across Main Street. Just to the left out of the picture is the Liberty building and to the right inside the red building is Bellacino's Pizza: http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture054-1.jpg

Riding down Court Street will be awesome!

g-man, I have no words to thank you for the photo and the rendering. I really love this condo building. Very nice and urban :okay:

wow, that hotel complex looks really nice!

The public will be able to have input on the $2.4 billion development here. Good news is we might be able to see more plans for the project when this happens. The bad news is that the public including the Greenville Taxpayers Association (yikes) will have input.

UPDATE on Project Skyline: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070507/NEWS01/705060312

This involves part of Project Skyline. Rumor is a new 13-story building will be built next to county square, but still on the same site for county offices to move to, so a mixed-use development can be built on the site where county square is currently located.

g-man, I have a favor to ask. Can you put together a little list of all the buildings from 5 stories and above that can be classified under the following categories?

Under Construction
Proposed
Approved
Envisioned
Stalled
Take your time on this one.

Thanks for giving me something to do Raleigh-NC. I am sooo bored. :lol: :cheers:

Under construction:
1. Terrace at Riverplace-8 stories
2. Peacock Hotel and Spa-12 stories
3. Pinnacle on Main-13 stories-Stalled currently, but only for a few weeks until construction resumes.
4. Drury Inn and Suites-7 stories (just completed; not downtown)
5. Carolina First Headquarters-13 buildings-4-6 stories for each one (not downtown)
6. CU-ICAR buildings-2-7 stories (not downtown)
7. The Brio Condos-6 stories (just completed)
8. Hubbell Lighting Headquarters-4-5 stories (just completed; not downtown)
9. McBee Station apartment/condos-5-6 stories

Proposed:
4. Riverplace phase II-4-8 stories for each building
5. Riverplace phase III-12-30 stories tall
6. Courtyard by Marriott-6-7 stories
7. Court Street mixed use tower-9 stories (approved only by DPC so far)
9. U.S. Federal Courthouse-was to go on gateway site, but are looking for different site now-10-15 stories
10. Mixed-use development in works for gateway site-Height unknown, but expect at least one to several highrises
11. The Point highrises-Several 8-12 story hotel, condo, and office buildings (not downtown)

Approved:
1. Bookends phase II-7 stories
2. Rhett Street condo tower-8 stories
3. Shealy Electrical site building-5 stories
4. Main at McBee mixed use tower-9 stories
5. Sheraton-6 stories (not downtown)

Envisioned:
1. Gateway site signature tower(s)
2. County square tower(s)
3. Woolworth redevelopment-will have proposal in next few months-number and height of highrises unknown
4. Bob Ellis's super duper almost orgasmic uptown tower-Bob Ellis is the same guy who is building the Pinnacle on Main-10-15 stories

Stalled:
1. Magnolia Park Town Center office and residential highrises-9 & 11 stories (not downtown)
2. The Tower at Falls and Broad-20 stories
3. Gateway site proposal-3 towers. 10-20 stories for each building
4. Camperdown Condos-14 stories
5. Pinnacle on Main-13 stories-Stalled, but only for a few weeks until construction resumes.

-There are more than this, but those are the only ones I could think of right off the top of my head. I'll try to see if I can remember or find some other ones.

This involves part of Project Skyline. Rumor is a new 13-story building will be built next to county square, but still on the same site for county offices to move to, so a mixed-use development can be built on the site where county square is currently located.
That is a rumor, g-man. Simply because someone says it will happen does not mean anything has been signed or even confirmed to actually happen. The person who mentioned this rumor also said this may not be part of Project Skyline, if I recall correctly.

^^...and that's why my post said "rumor" in it. Duh. :nuts:

g-man, thanks for the list :) I will keep looking at it, so feel free to update it occasionally - no need to start a new posting. It is quite an impressive list, I must say, and it testifies the progress made in Greenville.

I remember some responses about the tower for county offices at Magnolia Park. What IF they just used that same tower, but on the County Square site? Thoughts? Like, not like?

^^The rumor is that they are planning to build a 13-story building on the same site where Cobb Tire is currently. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen. I'm working at the same game GvilleSC is going to tomorrow. :)

^^The rumor is that they are planning to build a 13-story building on the same site where Cobb Tire is currently. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen. I'm working at the same game GvilleSC is going to tomorrow. :)
"The county office buildings are not moving from their current location, period." - Butch Kirven, Greenville County Council Chairman
"He did say, in response to a question, that Project Skyline does not involve the moving of the county's downtown office complex at County Square to any other location..." - The Greenville News
That should pretty much put your rumor to rest. This is something else entirely, but exactly what, or where, none of us can tell.

^^He said they're not moving to another location. He never said anything about building a new skyscraper on site. Get off my back Skyliner. Same goes for you Krazeeboi.

^^He said they're not moving to another location. He never said anything about building a new skyscraper on site.
G-man, you would trust a stranger who posted some random rumor in a comment column below an article over the leader of the County Council? That is completely ludicrous.:lol: There is nothing wrong with hoping something will happen, but when the evidence (which we have very little of, save for Mr. Kirven's comment) points in an entirely different direction, it is always best to look elsewhere. In these cases, you have to follow whatever leads (clues) you can get ahold of. Unless I misinterpreted what Mr. Kirven said, he seems to have been directly answering the question about whether or not County Square is in any way, shape, or form a part of Project Skyline. Now we can move on to other ideas.

^^I don't care if it sounds ludicrous or not. They're my opinions and i'm sticking to them.

Same old story, different day. I post something and Skyliner bashes it to high heaven.

Pickens County Council approves Easley Town Center development plan: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070508/NEWS01/705080389

What, no renderings/images of any sort? How DARE you are posting news without images :rofl:

Same old story, different day. I post something and Skyliner bashes it to high heaven.
Say what you will, yet you have failed to produce any credible evidence that your rumor may be true. I provided published quotes from people who know far more about this project than anyone in the general public (including yourself) will know until more is disclosed. I know you have the time to pick up a free copy of Greenville Journal at the local Bi-Lo store, but I'll provide one more quote that should seal the fate of your rumor:"...He (Butch Kirven) said a redevelopment of County Square and moving county offices is not part of the deal." -John Boyanoski, Greenville Journal, May 4, 2007 (current issue)You can keep saying what you think will happen, but I will continue to trust the people who know everything about the mystery development.:)

What, no renderings/images of any sort? How DARE you are posting news without images :rofl:

:cheers: Renderings, information, site plan, etc: http://www.cedarwooddevelopment.com/landcfc0.html?id=Easley_TC_Location

Man, I thought I was going to see something urban :( Damn!!!

Get off my back Skyliner. Same goes for you Krazeeboi.

Dude, what the hell are you talking about? I haven't posted anything for the past two pages. Get a grip.

^^I was talking about SSP, not SSC.

This isn't SSP. Leave the SSP issues there; there shall be no transfer of drama. :)

This isn't SSP. Leave the SSP issues there; there shall be no transfer of drama. :)

...but I really like to get in arguments with you and Skyliner over things. It's fun. :) Greenville is the largest city in South Carolina.

I would post some development news from today on here, but the Greenville News is retarted and doesn't know how to post real news going on in and around the area. They'll either have a story on gas prices, some crime spree, or both. I'll have to wait for the next issue of the Greenville Journal, which hits the shelves on Friday. :)

...but I really like to get in arguments with you and Skyliner over things. It's fun. :) Greenville is the largest city in South Carolina.

Who cares; maybe you can come back when you're mature enough to carry on adult conversations. :fiddle:

^^Who cares? Seems like you do because you're the one posting in this thread.

Dude, what the hell are you talking about? I haven't posted anything for the past two pages. Get a grip.

:lol: I was wondering the same thing when I read that from g-man. I thought to myself, "when was the last time krazeeboi posted in this thread?" :lol:

^^^He just did that to make Krazee post in the thread.

Nothing exciting in this week's Greenville Journal. Don't get too excited about getting it.

Although there is a nice rendering of Plat D'Adet (sp?).

:lol: I was wondering the same thing when I read that from g-man. I thought to myself, "when was the last time krazeeboi posted in this thread?" :lol:

Well, that's your friend. :D

Thanks, Krazeeboi. :) You along with other UP members should really post more on here. I can't do this all by myself. ;) Greenville City Planning Commission passed the proposed huge Point development earlier today. This is NOT sprawl, it is urbanity and mixed-use development at its best: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070510/BUSINESS/70510023 Quote from article: "McChesney proposes to cover about 75 acres at The Point development with 500,000 square feet of new shopping, 600,000 square feet of new office space, a 420-room hotel, 1,225 condos and 1,125 apartments."

-Also, I went to Bass Pro Shops today in Atlanta and one of the main people there told me they are planning to build a BPS very soon in the upstate region, although he didn't say exactly where.

Im interested in knowing how tall this 420 room hotel is going to be. 420 is a odd number to pick though ?

The Pointe sounds like a HUGE development!!! It should create a nice tax-base, too ;) As for the 420-room hotel, I can say with confidence that unless it is a sprawly design, it should be at least 15 floors, but it all depends on whether they want to add some conference/meeting areas.

^^Yes, indeed. Here is another story on the development that was posted early yesterday before the meeting. You might be suprised to read that this is the scaled back version after the city made the developers scale back the original due to concerns about traffic. Imagine how large it would be if the city had let the original plans go through: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070510/BUSINESS/705100317

The Pointe sounds like a HUGE development!!! It should create a nice tax-base, too ;) As for the 420-room hotel, I can say with confidence that unless it is a sprawly design, it should be at least 15 floors, but it all depends on whether they want to add some conference/meeting areas.

Indeed. If this development goes through, a new skyline and very, very visible presence will exist for Greenville on the interstate. If they connect this to downtown with the proposed rapid bus system or light rail, I'd definitely consider it as a place to live when I get out of college.

Looks like GSP-Airport could be getting Frontier Airlines or at least is trying to. The airport is offering a $1 million grant to Frontier to begin service here: http://www.regionalaviationpartners.org/Home/pdf/4.25.07SCASDP_greenville.pdf

Take a look at this article also, which talks about GSP trying to get western destinations: http://www.airlineinfo.com/ost9/ost042507.html#Anchor-3800 When the thing comes up asking you for a username, click cancel and sign up for free 2-week trial to read article.

A new massive shopping center complex has been proposed to be built along Poinsett Highway across Highway 276 from the Publix in Traveler's Rest. For more information, please go to http://www.capllc.com/ and click on "new projects" in the left hand column then click on "select a property" and under the drop down menu, click on "Poinsett Center" that is listed under proposed developments.

A new massive development has been proposed for the eastern side of Spartanburg County. It will be similiar in scale to the $290 million one proposed for Greer. For more information, please go to http://www.capllc.com/ and click on "new projects" in the left hand column then click on "select a property" and under the drop down menu, click on "Easton Marketplace" that is listed under proposed developments. Here is a news article on this very large development: http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20070512&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=705120317&SectionCat=

Come on people. I post in your threads, but you don't post in my mine? What's up with that?

Come on guys, give g-man some love :lol:

Pinnacle on Main-stalled
Camperdown Condos-stalled
Peacock Hotel and Spa-stalled
Rhett Street condo tower-will be stalled
Bookends phase II-stalled
9-story Court Street tower-will be stalled
Gateway site Federal Courthouse-stalled
The Tower at Falls and Broad-stalled
Riverplace phase II and III-will be stalled

^^
g-man, is that bait for more posts? Sounds like to me. Kind of hard to believe that so many nice projects would be stalled. You missed April Fools Day by a month and a half :lol:

^^Umm...It wasn't supposed to be a joke. That is the current update on skyscrapers proposed for downtown. :lol:

You are shitting me, aren't you? Can't say whether you are joking or not - the last emoticon is even more confusing - but if that list is accurate it sucks :( At least for the Pinnacle on Main, I was expecting to see this tower rising soon. What happened with all these projects? I still think you are f*ckin' with us :bash:

You are shitting me, aren't you? Can't say whether you are joking or not - the last emoticon is even more confusing - but if that list is accurate it sucks :( At least for the Pinnacle on Main, I was expecting to see this tower rising soon. What happened with all these projects? I still think you are f*ckin' with us :bash:

His list is a little misleading, I'd say, but the Pinnacle is indeed waiting on who knows what. The site is just sitting there. Going on 2 years of waiting for this one...

Pinnacle on Main-stalled
Camperdown Condos-stalled
Peacock Hotel and Spa-stalled -- under construction, but awaiting soil clean up and a few quirks to be worked out. Not stalled in the same sense as others
Rhett Street condo tower-will be stalled -- Possible, but the developers are WANTING to take their time with this one and have no rush to build
Bookends phase II-stalled -- Waiting on finalizing of plans. City is requiring them to build by a certain date. They have little room to stall
9-story Court Street tower-will be stalled -- Highly unlikely considering all of the units are sold. Architectural stuff isn't done yet, so don't expect an unrealistic date for commencing construction
Gateway site Federal Courthouse-stalled -- Waiting on the gov't
The Tower at Falls and Broad-stalled -- DEAD
Riverplace phase II and III-will be stalled -- possible, but look at the rest of Riverplace...

On a more positive note- A development that is changing the face of downtown Greenville is rapidly being built. McBee Station looks fantastic and is bringing a lot of attention off of Main Street (in a good way) and expanding the urban fabric of Downtown Greenville. Maybe some pictures can be snapped soon.

His list is a little misleading, I'd say, but the Pinnacle is indeed waiting on who knows what. The site is just sitting there. Going on 2 years of waiting for this one...

Pinnacle on Main-stalled
Camperdown Condos-stalled
Peacock Hotel and Spa-stalled -- under construction, but awaiting soil clean up and a few quirks to be worked out. Not stalled in the same sense as others
Rhett Street condo tower-will be stalled -- Possible, but the developers are WANTING to take their time with this one and have no rush to build
Bookends phase II-stalled -- Waiting on finalizing of plans. City is requiring them to build by a certain date. They have little room to stall
9-story Court Street tower-will be stalled -- Highly unlikely considering all of the units are sold. Architectural stuff isn't done yet, so don't expect an unrealistic date for commencing construction
Gateway site Federal Courthouse-stalled -- Waiting on the gov't
The Tower at Falls and Broad-stalled -- DEAD
Riverplace phase II and III-will be stalled -- possible, but look at the rest of Riverplace...
If g-man had read the newspapers or watched the local TV news stations recently, he would know that the Federal Government has stated that they plan to look elsewhere for a site and the City is now free to market the Gateway site to other potential developers. Apparently something is in the works already.

RiverPlace is definitely on schedule, and the next phase(s) could begin very shortly. This was stated by the City and published in an article.

There is no need to be glum about anything downtown. There is so much under construction and so much more entertainment to enjoy that no one should have time to even think about anything else.:)

^^Don't forget about Main at McBee tower either, which is also stalled.

I asked Bob Ellis today when the Pinnacle on Main would start construction and he told me that he didn't know and is trying to determine when it might happen. Oh goody. Also, how many of those towers under the list I posted a few posts ago have been built or are under construction and I don't mean with pipes sticking in the ground either? Shouldn't take a genius to figure it out.

If g-man had read the newspapers or watched the local TV news stations recently, he would know that the Federal Government has stated that they plan to look elsewhere for a site and the City is now free to market the Gateway site to other potential developers. Apparently something is in the works already.

RiverPlace is definitely on schedule, and the next phase(s) could begin very shortly. This was stated by the City and published in an article.

There is no need to be glum about anything downtown. There is so much under construction and so much more entertainment to enjoy that no one should have time to even think about anything else.:)

First paragraph-Duh. I was saying the federal government pulled out. Just because there might be a mixed-use project in the works doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Second paragraph-I'll believe it when I see it.

Third paragraph-Yes, there is absolutely a ton of things under construction downtown currently. Terrace at Riverplace, McBee Station, and umm...uhhh...let's see...uhh :lol: