g-man, today you must have woken up with your depressing self... I feel already depressed with your interpretation of news :bash: Projects sometimes take a little longer to break ground because of legal issues and soil-related challenges. Give them a little time.

^^Yes, 2 years is a little time. Everybody keeps saying i'm wrong and overreacting. If that's the case, then answer this. Out of all the skyscrapers I listed, give me a date for when actual construction of one of them will start. Should I start playing the jeopardy song for you? ;)

The only thing “cookie cutter” about Griffin Park is the scent of gingerbread from the bakery.

Website has been updated: http://www.griffinpark.com/

BMW to expand here and build two new vehicles at plant: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070515/NEWS01/70515006

We should be starting the 9 story building by july....

We should be starting the 9 story building by july....

Awesome. :cheers:

Damn it, g-man... I will come to Greenville and build one of those damn towers myself, with my bare hands... Just to prove you wrong :lol: Thank God erm1981 gave you the answer already.

I can understand some of Gman's frustration. It does seem like it takes forever for things to happen around here, most of the DT projects announced over the past several years have been significantly delayed (even non towers like the Childrens Museum, History Museum, Kroc Center, etc), and DT has had only one building of more than 8 stories constructed in 20 years! Overall, we have a pretty bleak track record :ohno:

BTW erm, McBee station is looking very, very good! It has much more of an impact than I thought it would.

Erm1981 said we "should." He never said we "will."

You guys need to get over the negative attitudes and enjoy the high quality of life in Greenville!

^^
Amen to that!!! g-man, you are a source of negativity... You are fired :lol:

http://www.celebslap.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/donald-trump.jpg
Trump to g-man: Stop looking at my wife's boobs. You are fired... again!!!

Im hearing some good things about the new 9-story building we are going to do. It should go up fast. Dont worry about this one. I would be more worried about the pinnacle and peacock.

People think Bob Ellis said what he did just to blow me off. That's not true. I should of been more clear. He also said that they are holding meetings this week to determine when construction starts and that there won't be any delays once that happens.

^^
Amen to that!!! g-man, you are a source of negativity... You are fired :lol:

http://www.celebslap.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/donald-trump.jpg
Trump to g-man: Stop looking at my wife's boobs. You are fired... again!!!

Me likey. :naughty: :lol:

Another downtown development is closer to construction. The Kroc Center received $650,000 from BB&T today to bring the fundraising up to $14M, only $1M away from the goal and the commencing of construction. :banana:

I have a feeling construction is going to begin on everything at one time. Perhaps we should widen 385 again to meet the demand of commuting construction workers... :lol:

People think Bob Ellis said what he did just to blow me off. That's not true. I should of been more clear. He also said that they are holding meetings this week to determine when construction starts and that there won't be any delays once that happens.


You mean the people on UP?

Has G-man fallen off the face of the earth? There has to be something to post about. oh, g-man, where are you???

G-man....no more? lol

I can see g-man making the big entrance :lol: He is out there, taking a break and planning his next "attack".

^^Amen to that brother. ;)

I knew it!!!!!!!!

:banana: We have finally broken the $3 mark in South Carolina

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Super Bi-Lo at Verdae:
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McBee Station:
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Homewood Suites:
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Longhorn Steakhouse:
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Walgreen's (very nice):
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Holiday Inn Express expansion:
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Costco:
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Patwood Memorial Hospital:
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Campbell Graduate Center at ICAR:
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Ramp for cars-
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Glass starting to go in-
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Great update!!!

I really liked the picture of the Patewood Medical Campus looking between the two similar looking buildings.

McBee Station looks great.

Let's see. The project Skyline thread on UP has turned into a "what street goes where" thread and the young professionals thread on UP has turned into a "my city is better than yours thread." What else is new?

We are all going to be fucked soon by high gas prices. Where's Trump's wife? I need her. :naughty: How do the people who drive the Hummers do it? I drive a little truck that only uses 11 gallons and i'm spending an arm and a leg everytime I go to fill up.

^^
Amen to that!!! g-man, you are a source of negativity... You are fired :lol:

http://www.celebslap.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/donald-trump.jpg
Trump to g-man: Stop looking at my wife's boobs. You are fired... again!!!

I can't stop looking at those. Somebody slap me. :lol:

Let's see. The project Skyline thread on UP has turned into a "what street goes where" thread and the young professionals thread on UP has turned into a "my city is better than yours thread." What else is new?

Same shit, different day is all.

Same shit, different day is all.

Amen to that brother.

g-man, I knew that you were preparing something for us. Excellent work, as always :okay: I like the McBee Station project, too. Now stop bitching about the prices of the gasoline and go back to looking at Mrs Trump's boobs :rofl:

Credit to btoy for rendering pic and to gsupstate for construction pics posted below.

Rendering of Village at Pelham Hospital-
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Construction update-
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g-man, I knew that you were preparing something for us. Excellent work, as always :okay: I like the McBee Station project, too. Now stop bitching about the prices of the gasoline and go back to looking at Mrs Trump's boobs :rofl:

You got it. :naughty: :lol: Also, I might have more information regarding the very large Point development tomorrow. The people at McChesney are very nice and would like to hear your thoughts, opinions, and interests regarding this project. Send them an email sometime. :)

There is a very strong rumor going around that I didn't start that JHM Hotels, which is headquartered in Greenville is planning to build four Aloft by W hotels in the southeast region. Two would be in Atlanta, one would be in Orlando, and one would be in Greenville at MPTC. It wouldn't be suprising if it's true though, seeing how MPTC is to include two high-end hotels and the one mentioned on the old site plan was an Aloft by W hotel.

how many floors is the springhill suites supposed to be?

how many floors is the springhill suites supposed to be?

What Springhill Suites?

Something about high speed rail: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070523/NEWS01/705230400

Glad to see you back in full speed, g-man!!! 5 posts per hour :rofl:

Remember a few weeks ago when I said all the skyscrapers proposed for downtown will be stalled or are already stalled? Well, it looks like that is still true. There is not one skyscraper being built downtown currently and the Peacock site along with the Pinnacle on Main site is starting to have weeds and grass come up. Somebody get me a lawn mower and a weed-eater. :lol:

It is not uncommon for larger structures to take longer before groundbreaking. Greenville, much like most other cities, is still a new market. You will see a lot more projects taking longer than anticipated. Remember, while you and I use Internet time, developers are still working with real time. If we knew nothing about the developments, we would be far more excited and willing to wait. Last Saturday, I took the Downtown Home Tour, in Raleigh, and I had the opportunity to speak with some developers about their projects. While they were enthusiastic about the public's reaction, overall, they were also reluctant to break ground as fast as we'd like them to. Building successful projects is far more important than changing our skylines in 2-3 years. Always remember that and you will be a happier person.

It is not uncommon for larger structures to take longer before groundbreaking. Greenville, much like most other cities, is still a new market. You will see a lot more projects taking longer than anticipated. Remember, while you and I use Internet time, developers are still working with real time. If we knew nothing about the developments, we would be far more exciting and willing to wait. Last Saturday, I took the Downtown Home Tour, in Raleigh, and I had the opportunity to speak with some developers about their projects. While they were enthusiastic about the public's reaction, overall, they were also reluctant to break ground as fast as we'd like them to. Building successful projects is far more important than changing our skylines in 2-3 years. Always remember that and you will be a happier person.

Very well said, Raleigh-NC! Good advice for us all (myself included). :)

^^Amen to that brother. Grading and dirt work is scheduled to start on the Peacock Hotel and Spa in 2 weeks.

So the Peacock is back on track, then? Excellent! Any news about a redesign, or was that just an internet rumor?

^^Not a rumor, but fact. I'm not sure why it was delayed.

Aerials of schools currently being built, renovated, or expanded in Greenville County:
http://www.institutionalresources.com/aerials.htm

:) Windows Live Local for Greenville is now in color. It hasn't been updated in at least a year, but it's newer than wikimapia: http://maps.live.com/ 5 posts per hour. Right, Raleigh-NC? ;)

^^
I can assure you, it hasn't been updated for a lot more than that, if Raleigh is an indicator. I still prefer Google Maps, not that the latter is more up-to-date, but it is faster on all my computers. If you mention Windows again, the Penguin will attack :lol:

BTW, thanks for the collection of the aerial HS shots. A bit suburban, but nevertheless nice pics :okay:

^^What is your penguin's name? I can't remember.

^^What is your penguin's name? I can't remember.g-man, for a millionth time, his name is Tux. I am tired of reminding you :bash: Upgrade your memory :lol:

^^
BTW, thanks for the collection of the aerial HS shots. A bit suburban, but nevertheless nice pics :okay:

Too bad when you're spending over $1Billion on schools, you get suburban. Oh, well, we need them, so I'll take it. :bash:


Glad to hear that about the Peacock! Thanks, g-man.

g-man, for a millionth time, his name is Tux. I am tired of reminding you :bash: Upgrade your memory :lol:

Yeah, I need a re-charging. :lol: Anybody get the Journal for this week yet? I am craving this week's for some odd reason. ;)

Another surburban shopping center that will include a Starbuck's and grocery store. YAY. :lol: Look at one of the last rezoning request on this pdf file to see the plans for it. Also, look at the 4th rezoning request on this file for an addition to a shopping center that was proposed a few months ago: http://www.greenvilleplanning.com/land_Development/current_rezoning_cases/June%202007%20for%20Website.pps#823,14,Slide%2014

Too bad when you're spending over $1Billion on schools, you get suburban. Oh, well, we need them, so I'll take it. :bash:
Don't even remind me of the mess we have here, in Wake County :( They passed $1 billion in bonds to help build schools and they are still fighting over the same issues. In the meantime, magnet and charter schools seem to be doing much better. Some of them have a less suburban form, too. It's horrible to think that all that money cannot get you a better use for all that land :ohno:

Expect to hear more information on Project Skyline by the end of this month. In what way though remains unclear. Five groups have expressed interest in the former Greenville Memorial Auditorium site, and at least one has sent in an official proposal. We could see a news release involving this project for the gateway site by the end of this month also. Pinnacle on Main is still on track to start soon and a first-floor tenant should be named shortly (I'll believe it when I see it). Angled parking could be coming to Broad and Rhett Streets, similiar to how it is on Main Street. The Greenville Drive have sold more tickets than last year. Several industrial buildings are beginning to start construction at the Matrix in southern Greenville County and two were recently completed.

We could see an announcement within the next week or two for a new tower downtown. This is a could and not a should, so don't get all bummed out if it doesn't happen.

Can you provide details on the height or location of the potential tower, or have you not heard specifics yet?

^^Location is gateway site. Height is unknown. Would be mixed-use. This is only a rumor and I knew about it before the Greenville Journal mentioned it this week, but forgot to post it. There is a better chance of it happening than usual though, because the Greenville Journal and me both heard about it. I have no other information regarding the project. For all I know, it could be more than one tower.

Not a development, but just a cool looking Rolls-Royce Phantom I spotted downtown earlier tonight at the Hyatt. Even though BMW owns Rolls-Royce Automotive and BMW's plant is located here, this is surprisingly the first time I have ever seen a Rolls-Royce in Greenville, let alone in real life. As of March of this year, only a little over 3,000 Phantoms (2003-present version) have been sold in the entire world and the starting price-tag is $300,000 in the United States. Raleigh-NC, did you make a special trip into Greenville today? :lol: Pic was taken using cell phone: http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/0525072025a.jpg

Hubbell Lighting had their grand opening yesterday for their headquarters. It's expected to draw around 6,000 visitors this year alone. Be sure to check out the awesome night-time pic of the facility provided in this link: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070525/BUSINESS/705250336

Here are some shots I took today of the building:

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It is a cool building!!!

The Shops at Greenridge or as us locals like to call it the Shops at Gridlock is a development that began in 2003 and is still not completed yet. It consist of many stores and restaurants including Red Robin, PF Chang's, Best Buy, Dick's Sporting Goods, Mimi's Cafe, Barnes & Noble, etc. The picture I posted of Longhorn Steakhouse under construction a few pages back is in this development. Official website: http://www.shopgreenridge.com/ Other information on development: http://www.crosland.com/retail/properties/greenridge/

Here are pics I took yesterday of it:

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g-man, you are becoming a shopping center fan :bash: Thanks for the photos, though.

^^We don't make the sprawl, we make it better looking. :lol:

Very good story on the future of high speed rail in the upstate: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070527/NEWS01/705270330

I like this comment:
After comparing high-speed rail to the growth of Greenville's downtown over the past 20 years, he said, "A lot can happen in 20 years, but somebody has to make a move. Big things can happen if we make the first move."
This is exactly what I think the attitude should be. When a first step is taken, big things will come.

^^The good news is that everybody wants this to happen. The bad news is that the SCDOT has less money than your penguin does. :lol: Think about it though. I could go up to Raleigh, take update pictures, come back, and post them on here before Raleigh-NC ever could. ;)

^^The good news is that everybody wants this to happen. The bad news is that the SCDOT has less money than your penguin does. :lol: Think about it though. I could go up to Raleigh, take update pictures, come back, and post them on here before Raleigh-NC ever could. ;)

:lol: Except, by the time this gets built, you'll be old and frail and won't get far from the Raleigh train station.:ohno:

One positive, perhaps once you get back in SC, you'll be able to use the state wide wireless internet to upload your pictures on the way back...

^^Woah, where did you come from? :lol: I thought everybody at Urbanplanet was on vacation or something. With how dead that forum has been lately, it sure would seem like it. Don't worry, i'll liven it up when I come back June 3rd. ;)

Not a development, but just a cool looking Rolls-Royce Phantom I spotted downtown earlier tonight at the Hyatt. Even though BMW owns Rolls-Royce Automotive and BMW's plant is located here, this is surprisingly the first time I have ever seen a Rolls-Royce in Greenville, let alone in real life. As of March of this year, only a little over 3,000 Phantoms (2003-present version) have been sold in the entire world and the starting price-tag is $300,000 in the United States. Raleigh-NC, did you make a special trip into Greenville today? :lol: Pic was taken using cell phone: http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/0525072025a.jpg

There were actually four Rolls-Royces (and several other high-end cars) parked at the Hyatt yesterday afternoon, believe it or not. I wonder what the occasion was...probably a wedding or something.

And yea, everybody is on vacation - it's a holiday weekend, dude.

g-man, the Penguin has taken the photos. It is only a matter of time before you see them, hopefully by the end of this week. Let me make a remark: I will have enough money to build you a 30-story tower in Greenville before you get on the train to Raleigh :rofl:

Here is a photo update from McBee Station in downtown:http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/McBeeStationMay2007_03.jpg

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My thread is being invaded, everybody hide. :lol: All pics taken earlier today with cell phone.

Construction of the future giraffe exhibit at the Greenville Zoo is picking up pace:
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Ridgeland at the Park:
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Good job, guys :okay:

Peacock Hotel and Spa update: Word on the street is that underground parking has been eliminated, and the number of hotel rooms has been cut in half. Amenities are also being reduced. There should be a story in the News this week or next.

Hopefully when the news release comes out regarding the Peacock Hotel and Spa, the developer(s) says something like "I do have good news though, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico and I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night." They should cancel the whole project and put a Waffle House on site. :lol:

^^After that happens then they could stick a Mickey D's on the Pinnacle on Main, tire shop on the Camperdown site, and a Hardee's with a run-down looking truck stop next to it on the Tower at Falls and Broad site. Hey, you wanted national restaurants, you got them. :lol:

The Peacock is dissapointing, but as long as it gets built, I'll be fairly happy. McBee Avenue needs tenants to help create its atmosphere and "rival" Main in a sense.

Huge development at I-85 and Woodruff Road gets the "OK" from City Council: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070529/BUSINESS/70529021

The Peacock is dissapointing, but as long as it gets built, I'll be fairly happy. McBee Avenue needs tenants to help create its atmosphere and "rival" Main in a sense.

You're kidding right? Either build it like it was supposed to be or don't build it all, I say. Stupid South Carolina developers. They can't do anything right. :bash: :nuts: :ohno:

Yeah im dissapointed about the peacock as well :-( bummer

Stupid South Carolina developers. They can't do anything right. :bash: :nuts: :ohno:

I don't think you can take the situation with Greenville's local developers and extrapolate it to include all South Carolina developers. There are local developers in Charleston, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach that seem to do just fine and not have major snafus with projects.

I don't think you can take the situation with Greenville's local developers and extrapolate it to include all South Carolina developers. There are local developers in Charleston, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach that seem to do just fine and not have major snafus with projects.

Yes, Burroughs & Chapin do a great job. :lol: Anyways, latest email from Bob Ellis on the Pinnacle on Main project:

Mr. Sharp:
You need to understand that no one is sitting around - certainly not me. I have been in this project from minute one and still am and you need to comprehend the amount of money expended thus far (Thousands won't cover it). A project of this type and composition is not a simple deal. It is all condos of different types which adds another element apart from anything else downtown. It is of a scale and proportion like nothing else here. It has features and components that are unique and in different block than current activity. We have been careful to orchestrate a mixed use that will work and will be an proud asset to downtown, not just another building. We are dealing with well -known and high-exposure people who move at their pace and not mine. Additionally, we are dealing with other issues not related to the building at all. I have expended a great deal of time, energy, emotions and money on this project and I am not on an ego trip or anything of personal gratification - that is not my nature. If you knew me or asked anyone who does, you would understand that I am not like that and my sincerity is genuine. No reason for anything otherwise. If anyone has the right to be impatient, it is me. But, I have to keep focused and move ahead and prove that it was worth the wait.
If you want me to give you a time and date, I cannot yet because of the parties involved and it is quite frustrating to set dates and schedules and others change them beyond my control. However, some are for very good reasons and this will all bear out. Keep in touch but do so with patience and understanding - I have to myself.

Yes, Burroughs & Chapin do a great job. :lol:

The problem with B&C is not that they can't get anything built; to the contrary, they'll build whatever they want and they couldn't give a flying flip what anybody thinks. Myrtle Beach owes the vast majority of its success to that company for that very reason, and when was the last time Myrtle Beach had a problem getting a project off the ground?????

You'd do well to not just repeat what others say, but actually formulate your own opinions on things. ;)

The problem with B&C is not that they can't get anything built; to the contrary, they'll build whatever they want and they couldn't give a flying flip what anybody thinks. Myrtle Beach owes the vast majority of its success to that company for that very reason, and when was the last time Myrtle Beach had a problem getting a project off the ground?????

You'd do well to not just repeat what others say, but actually formulate your own opinions on things. ;)

You crack me up Krazeeboi. :lol:

I don't think you can take the situation with Greenville's local developers and extrapolate it to include all South Carolina developers. There are local developers in Charleston, Columbia, and Myrtle Beach that seem to do just fine and not have major snafus with projects.

It's all of SC. I can start naming the projects that have and are falling through in Columbia if you'd like? :) Charleston, Myrtle Beach all the same.

Greenville even with the few snafu's of local developers has luckily caught the eye of out of state developers on a level with Charleston, so much is still happening (ie: The Point). :)

Any insight on the developers in Rochester (Upstate New York) you'd care to share? :?

I never said or even implied projects haven't ever fallen through in any cities in SC. I also know of projects in Charlotte and Atlanta that are stalled or have been scrapped altogether. However, I simply don't think you can take what is happening in Greenville and say that SC developers as a whole are the problem. It simply appears as though that right now, there are some issues with getting a couple of developments off the ground in Greenville in particular, and it's all happening within a relatively short time span. As you've stated, other developments are still going through, but you don't want too many. Before you know it, Greenville will start becoming a big city and lose all of its "boutique city" charm. :)

You'll have to go to the Rochester thread to see what developments they have going on there; this is the Greenville thread.

^^Yeah, but most of the ones that are going through are from out-of-state developers, while the ones being scrapped or reduced are from in-state developers.

Right, and my point is that it's not exactly the same way in other cities across the state, which means that at present, it appears to be more of a localized issue. Within the past several months to a year, I haven't heard of any projects scrapped or reduced from an in-state developer in Charleston and there's only one I can think of in Columbia.

^^We just have stupid and :nuts: developers in Greenville. That's all. :lol:

Nah, it's just a phase. Be patient.

^^26 months for a project cough pinnacle on main cough is an awfully long time to be patient.

But that's just one project out of how many? And the Peacock is still going to happen, just in a scaled-back version.

What about Camperdown?

^^Camperdown is dead and has been for sometime. :lol: They might as well stick a Waffle House on that site. Downtown needs one of those. There is still NO proof that the Peacock has been scaled back. It is all just rumors and speculation at this time.

Well then, it appears there is still hope for the Peacock? It sounded like it was a fact that it was being scaled back. I'd much prefer to see the original product get constructed.

g-man, you are bringing a lot of negativity. I am going to put you in a crionic prison and wake you up when all these projects are done :lol:

g-man, you are bringing a lot of negativity. I am going to put you in a crionic prison and wake you up when all these projects are done :lol:

You do that and then i'll stick Tux in the desert. :lol: Bob Ellis is mulling the idea of increasing the height of the Pinnacle on Main. I need confirmation from him first though to see if this indeed true or not. While the Peacock gets reduced in height, the Pinnacle gets increased in height. Who would of thought that? :poke: That's ok though, because the Pinnacle is on a hill that will be seen for miles, while the Peacock is kind of in a valley where you won't be able to see it until you get downtown practically whether it was reduced in height or not. :rock:

You touch Tux, and I will make all the high-rises in Greenville disappear :rofl:

On a serious note, one more list of the proposals (5 stories and above) in Greenville would not hurt. It seems to me that the status of things keeps changing every day.

You touch Tux, and I will make all the high-rises in Greenville disappear :rofl:

On a serious note, one more list of the proposals (5 stories and above) in Greenville would not hurt. It seems to me that the status of things keeps changing every day.

Wait. We have highrises? :lol:

Yes, you do!!!

There's an article from the Greenville News on www.Greenvilleonline.com that confirms the Peacock's scaling back. It will be 8 stories tall now with only one spire, instead of two. It will be a nice Canyon right there on McBee between the Peacock and the 8 story Bookends building. Nice urban experience should evolve.

There's an article from the Greenville News on www.Greenvilleonline.com that confirms the Peacock's scaling back. It will be 8 stories tall now with only one spire, instead of two. It will be a nice Canyon right there on McBee between the Peacock and the 8 story Bookends building. Nice urban experience should evolve.

GvilleSC, just admit it. You are just pissed about this as the rest of us. Just let it all out. This is bullsh*t at its finest. :bash: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070531/BUSINESS/70531036

I don't know if this makes you feel any better, but when the 222 Glenwood project was proposed (for DT Raleigh) it started as a 7-8 story midrise. Then the developer came up with a 12-story design of the same building (same number of units) only to go back to the 7-8 story design (depending on the elevation). The latter will be far more urban, which makes us happy. Greenville seems to have a nice collection of midrise developments that give the city a more urban feel. I think that building successful urban projects is far more critical at this stage. In a few years, towers above 15 floors will be the norm, with maybe a few above 25 stories :)

^^They should cancel the whole project and stick a waffle house on site. :lol:

This may be off a bit, but Greenville isn't the only sufferer of delayed/scaled back projects. Savannah has had a lot of those in the past few years.

Theres one road project in particular I can think of that STILL isn't done yet... and did I mention it was first planned in the 1940's!?

The Harry S. Truman Parkway linking downtown to the southside.

STILL not completed and most likely won't be for another 5-10 years at least. The parts that are completed already need to be widened due to congestion.

Sad isn't it?

^^I know something that will cheer us all up: :banana: It's peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time, do the peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat do the peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat. Where you at, where you at, where you at now there ya go, there ya go, there ya go, peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly... :banana:

g-man, I told you to stay away from the candy jar. Now you are going nuts and there is nothing we can do to stop you :( All that sugar will harm your system, son :no:

^^ :lol: http://youtube.com/watch?v=areyUfCNFxY Also, according to this week's Greenville Journal, a development group has sent $10,000 to the City of Greenville to seal the deal on a development proposed for the gateway site. Hopefully, they're from out of state. :lol:

:banana: SoCon picks Greenville for 2009 baseball tournament: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070601/SPORTS01/706010350

Definitely check this out: http://pazdan-smith.com/

Go to "Portfolio", then "Urban Residential", then "133 S. Main". This is the proposed nine story building at the corner of Main and East Court Streets that will start construction in July. :)

That is a great looking building :okay: Who says developers cannot build elegant structures?

Ill get to add my personal touch to that building. Ill be sure to put a message in the walls using dark brick so it isnt that obvious to the untrained eye.

Ill get to add my personal touch to that building. Ill be sure to put a message in the walls using dark brick so it isnt that obvious to the untrained eye.

Like a "Hidden Mickey?" LOL! Have you left any other messages in any other buildings, erm1981? Anything someone can go on a scavenger hunt and photograph?

Definitely check this out: http://pazdan-smith.com/

Go to "Portfolio", then "Urban Residential", then "133 S. Main". This is the proposed nine story building at the corner of Main and East Court Streets that will start construction in July. :)

I like the second rendering; I'm guessing it shows another side than the first does. The whole building appears very Greenville-like.

^^^ Ill make a hidden face on it....if i get a chance to work by myself without someone else messing it up. You wont ever know unless someone tells you.

G-man how did you get banned again from UP in 1 day?????????

Ill get to add my personal touch to that building. Ill be sure to put a message in the walls using dark brick so it isnt that obvious to the untrained eye.
So I am wondering if you guys ever hide anything in the walls? Something simple which would signify the current times for anyone in the future who may find it.

G-man how did you get banned again from UP in 1 day?????????

For following the rules and posting information, news, and pics just like i'm supposed to.

For following the rules and posting information, news, and pics just like i'm supposed to.

Well, I appreciate your updates...

Grading has started on the Peacock Hotel and Spa site. Here are two horrible cell phone pics I took earlier today where you can see a backhoe digging: http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/0605071601.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/0605071600.jpg

^^ Do they still have the original sign and rendering on the Peacock site, or has it been updated?

The original signs are completely gone now.:ohno:

The signs have been gone for at least the past month or two.

Thanks for the update pics. At least I do not have to beg for them :lol:

^^Oh, don't you worry penguin man. :lol: I always have update pics. Costco at MPTC:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture091-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture092-1.jpg

The fourth floor has now started on the Homewood Suites:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture090.jpg

The 2,136 residential unit mixed-use development by the name of River West no more than 5-10 minutes from my house in western Greenville County has been approved. More information on this development can be found here: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/PSPD/CZ-2007-30.pdf

Also, prep work has started on the site of the nine-story building to be built downtown. According to Maninthepark from UP, it is called Geophysical Logging, the sensors [Penetrometers] use power [the car battery in the first pic] to measure resistance of the sub surface, to show soil and rock types. They can also use a different type of sensor called a Piezometer to test for ground water. This type of testing is done on sites where they cant use boreholes, I guess they didn't want to close the parking lot to get a rig in there for two or three days, thats probably why they were doing this on a Sunday. Credit to Restedtraveler for these two pics:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/RestedTraveler/Greenville/133%20South%20Main/20070603-059.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/RestedTraveler/Greenville/133%20South%20Main/20070603-060.jpg

Village at Pelham Hospital:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture094-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture097-1.jpg

Peacock Hotel and Spa site. The reason you don't see any workers is because I took these pics around 7pm after all of them had gone home for the day:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture119.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture117.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture120.jpg

Concert going on across the river from Riverplace behind the Peace Center:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture093-1.jpg

Terrace at Riverplace:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture114.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture095-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture096-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture118.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture116.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture115.jpg

Some pics of Acadia I took earlier today, which is a 700 home mixed-use development located just 5-10 minutes down the road from where I live. New entrance next to the highway is moving along:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture113.jpg

One of the many entrances to one of the many nature trails that will make up Acadia:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture112.jpg

Foundation for new home:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture106.jpg

Wood framing going up for new home:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture105.jpg

Bridge that separates phase 1 & 2 from 3,4, & 5:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture100-1.jpg

Some of the recently completed homes:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture108.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture109.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture107.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture101.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture103.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture111.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture102.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture099-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture098-1.jpg

And we certainly can't forget about those chairs that tell you when you're in Acadia:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture110.jpg

:lol: Raleigh-NC, you didn't tell me you were in town. Next time you come to downtown Greenville with your Ferrari F430 Spider, please let me know:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture149.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture148.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture150.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture145.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture147.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture146.jpg

I really like the Acadia developement....so when you going to come take some pictures of piedmont, sc g-man? That Ferrari gives me wood...

Go back to the last page for more pics of developments going on in and around the area. Take that Urbanplanet. I'm not that sad I got banned from that place. I'm actually kind of happy that I did. No more hassles to worry about anymore. No more worries about if my news links are right or wrong anymore. No more dealing with the moderators getting on my backs about stupid things anymore. I can see why you didn't care when you got banned from that place either Raleigh-NC. That place is more stricter than North Korea and frankly I don't think I want to be a part of it anymore with how the moderators and some members are on there. Anways, back to the developments. McBee Station mega update:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture137.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture136.jpg

Road work continues on McBee Avenue in front of this development:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture139.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture143.jpg

Publix:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture125.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture127.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture129.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture133.jpg

Staples:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture132.jpg

Shops:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture128.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture130.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture131.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture138.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture140.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture141.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture142.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture144.jpg

Clubhouse for apartments:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture124.jpg

Apartments:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture134.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture135.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture122.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture121.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture123.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture126.jpg

I really like the Acadia developement....so when you going to come take some pictures of piedmont, sc g-man? That Ferrari gives me wood...

Piedmont like in Columbia? :lol:

I am almost ovewhelmed with all those update photos!!! Lots of good stuff, g-man :okay: As for me coming to DT Greenville, I will let you know when this happens. If you see the car below, you know that the Penguin has arrived ;)

http://www.pbase.com/raleighmsa/image/77098685.jpg

Don't worry about UP... Before I got banned I had already stopped posting there. It did bother me because I got banned for bullsh*t reasons, but it's all cool. I have no hard feelings towards the moderators, or the person who banned me. They have their own standards and we have ours. This doesn't mean we need to act like jackasses... We have to maintain high standards for SSC and keep promoting our cities in a civilized manner, without putting the mods in a difficult position.

^Can i borrow your car when you come to Greenville?

DPC to not vote on Peacock Hotel and Spa's revised plan until August: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070607/BUSINESS/70607032

CU-ICAR. Plaza construction is well underway:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture038-2.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture040-2.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture037-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture039-2.jpg

Exercise equipment for office tower alongside the parking garage:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture041-2.jpg

Campbell Graduate Center:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture044-2.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture043-2.jpg

Carolina First future headquarters:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture049-2.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture050-2.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture048-2.jpg

g-man, do you ever get tired? :lol: I admire your dedication and hard work, dude!!!

erm1981, you can definitely borrow it, although I may not bring it to Greenville. I normally drive it up and down on Fayetteville Street... That is 4 blocks all and all :lol:

You see this yet g-man? What a let down...

http://cmsimg.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=BS&Date=20070608&Category=BUSINESS&ArtNo=706080338&Ref=AR&Profile=1004&MaxW=800&title=1

From:
http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070608/BUSINESS/706080338/1004/NEWS01

-Old greenville memorial auditorium site. Plans for one of the prospects will be a building in excess of 10 stories.

-Fed gov't is looking at least 19 sites in downtown for a new courthouse

-Next parking garage for Riverplace could start within 30 days.

-Group of downtown business owners have grouped together to help keep downtown growing strong.

-Sasaki master plan, community invited to help give input for downtown future growth.

-Rails to Trails hoping to start work on northern section in 2007 but likely will start in 2008.

-CU-ICAR officials are in talks with NASCAR, Formula one teams

-City to close deal to renovate the underused plaza on main and broad by the end of July.

You see this yet g-man? What a let down...

http://cmsimg.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=BS&Date=20070608&Category=BUSINESS&ArtNo=706080338&Ref=AR&Profile=1004&MaxW=800&title=1

From:
http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070608/BUSINESS/706080338/1004/NEWS01

:bash: WTF? I saw the article, but never the rendering. That sucks. To answer your question Raleigh-NC, heck no. :)

What the Hell!!! There is a part in that article that confuses me a little:
But the total cost of the boutique, luxury hotel planned at the corner of McBee Avenue and Spring Street remains the same, between $57 million and $60 million, said Gil Patrick, the proposed hotel's president and general manager.

Under the original design, "costs of a lot of the materials and so forth just put us beyond where we were looking financially," Patrick said.How can the cost be the same and not go with the larger version? I don't think that boutique hotel customers give a shit if there are 30 more rooms in the hotel and a few more condos. I hope it is not one of those cases when developers try to turn a 40% profit into 45% :ohno: I hope that they recognize the need for something larger and revise their plans. It will be a great redevelopment effort, one way or another, but opportunities like this doesn't come every day.

Kroc Center getting closer to $15 million goal: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070608/NEWS01/706080375

You see this yet g-man? What a let down...

http://cmsimg.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=BS&Date=20070608&Category=BUSINESS&ArtNo=706080338&Ref=AR&Profile=1004&MaxW=800&title=1

From:
http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070608/BUSINESS/706080338/1004/NEWS01

That looks awful. Let's just hope that it is a poor rendering, and that the real deal will look much better. What is with the light brick?!? Dark brick would look much better!

If they'd turn that roof of the lobby area into an outdoor area of some sort that would be another nice and helpful addition.

G-man, where are you? Any news, rumors, or updates you can share?

G-man, where are you? Any news, rumors, or updates you can share?

I'm still here. Sorry, nothing new to report at this time.

Just saw an article that a developer wants to construct greenville's tallest building on the gateway site

http://www.wyff4.com/news/13482051/detail.html

Just saw an article that a developer wants to construct greenville's tallest building on the gateway site

http://www.wyff4.com/news/13482051/detail.html

Awesome. :cheers:

These protestors are a bunch of crackpots:
http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070611/NEWS01/70611017

http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070611/NEWS/70611011/1004/NEWS01

Yeah we should dig a big hole and push them down inside of it.

^^Naw, we should make them build a new tower downtown instead. :lol: Also, the construction wall is now going up, so construction can start on the new Palmetto Bank headquarters building that will be built downtown. It will be located right across the street from the gateway site. Credit to Restedtraveler for pic posted below:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/RestedTraveler/Greenville/20070611-023.jpg

Rendering:
http://www.palmettobank.com/newsevents/images/2006-09-22_GreenvilleHQRendering.jpg

Some very positive things regarding the Pinnacle on Main project happened earlier today. Expect dirt to start turning really soon on this.

Would this have anything to do with Greenville-native Chef Tyler Florence visiting town today?:)

Would this have anything to do with Greenville-native Chef Tyler Florence visiting town today?:)

Bob Ellis didn't say, but I would certainly think so.

Welcome to Greenville, SC:

Toothless faces and many dumping places.
Where there's a church, redneck, and mexican on every corner.
The land of dead proposed highrises.
Soon to be a suburb of Greer.
Yes, we've heard of Charleston now shut up about it.
We might be no Augusta, but at least we have an interstate.
That place between Charlotte and Atlanta.
Sprawl+sprawl+sprawl=lots of sprawl.
Very little mass transit.
Where teenagers scare the living sh*t out of me.

g-man, time to quit drinking all that Red Bull stuff. And stop scaring senior citizens :lol:

^^Sorry. :lol:

Welcome to Greenville, SC:

Toothless faces and many dumping places.
Where there's a church, redneck, and mexican on every corner.
The land of dead proposed highrises.
Soon to be a suburb of Greer.
Yes, we've heard of Charleston now shut up about it.
We might be no Augusta, but at least we have an interstate.
That place between Charlotte and Atlanta.
Sprawl+sprawl+sprawl=lots of sprawl.
Very little mass transit.
Where teenagers scare the living sh*t out of me.

Way to be a booster for your city, g-man! :lol:

G-man, you should grow up and move to a "real" city (like Atlanta), if living here is so upsetting to you. Whether you are joking half the time or not, your "humor" comes across as very disturbing to me. In a big city like Atlanta, you would have plenty of new highrise developments to keep you positively occupied. Most of us Greenville residents don't see life in this city as negatively as you seem to at times. Retractions and apologies are meaningless when you just turn right around and say something off-topic again. Fortunately there aren't too many reading your childish ramblings.

^^I was joking. Go watch a comedy once in a while. Might help you stop taking things so seriously all the time. I'm not part of your life-is-perfect UP crew anymore Skyliner, so go stick a cork in it.

Would this have anything to do with Greenville-native Chef Tyler Florence visiting town today?:)

Hmm, I know this is off subject, but Tyler Florence is worth making a trip to check out, errr, rather, see his cooking show, yeah that's it. :cheers:

According to Butch Kirven of Greenville County Council, Project Skyline continues to be under consideration by the parties involved. If and when they make a decision to proceed, it will come before County Council for approval. All council meetings are, of course, open to the public. No decisions can be made or votes taken in executive sessions by state law.

Sorry if I missed something on it, but is Pinnacle on Main going ahead ?

Sorry if I missed something on it, but is Pinnacle on Main going ahead ?

Yes. Construction is scheduled to start real soon; most likely sometime this month.

^^^Yeah whatever.....ill believe it when i see it.

The architects of the redesigned Peacock need to take some notes from the architects of the proposed Marriott Courtyard.

Project Elf-$14 million/350 jobs/certain corporate headquarters and distribution facilities in the County. Resolution agreement: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/Council/Project%20Elf%20resolution.pdf Inducement agreement: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/Council/Project%20Elf%20Induce%20Agreement.pdf

Project Racket-$10 million/# of jobs unknown/manufacturing facility in the County. Resolution agreement: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/Council/Project%20Racket%20Resol.pdf Inducement agreement: http://www.greenvillecounty.org/County_Council/_Agenda/Council/Project%20Racket%20Agreementl.pdf

Closing and possession of the sale of the city hall plaza site to construct a Courtyard by Marriott hotel is to take place on September 6, 2007. Under the original agreement, the hotel would of had to be completed and operational within 30 months of the sale of the city hall plaza site, but under the revised agreement, the hotel will now have to be completed and operational by December 15, 2009: http://councilagendas.greatergreenville.com/minutes/2007/June/Formal/6-18-2007/Item7a.pdf

Would somebody please deport all these stupid mexicans starting to invade the area. It is getting out of hand: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070618/NEWS01/70618024

Something about 1,800 jobs for the area: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070618/BUSINESS/70618032

1170 new jobs. That is a pretty healthy increase :okay:

Those jobs are in Spartanburg though.

Those jobs are in Spartanburg though.

And what newspaper website was it posted on? It sure as heck wasn't the Spartanburg Herald-Journal's.

More jobs for the Greenville MSA: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/PCN/706190314/1004/NEWS01

The 4-star Westin Poinsett located downtown has been getting poor reviews lately from guests staying there: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g54258-d227071-Reviews-The_Westin_Poinsett_Greenville-Greenville_South_Carolina.html :poke:

:cheers: Proof that Greenville's metro area is bigger than Charleston and Columbia's. Look who's #6 on this list of large-sized cities: http://www.expansionmanagement.com/SMO/DOCRESERVE/DOCRESERVE_CONTENT/1A-TOP%20LARGE%20METROS.PDF then look who's #13 and 14 on this list of mid-sized cities: http://www.expansionmanagement.com/SMO/DOCRESERVE/DOCRESERVE_CONTENT/1B-TOP%20MEDIUM%20METROS.PDF

You apparently didn't read the methodology section of the actual article (http://www.expansionmanagement.com/smo/newsviewer/default.asp?cmd=articledetail&articleid=18800&st=3). Here's the pertinent excerpt:

Finally, metro areas in the NPRC’s database reflect the Office of Management and Budget’s pre-2003 definition of metropolitan statistical areas.

I don't want to get into the "my metro is bigger and better than yours," debate (it is pointless afterall), but I wanted to say that regardless of whether the GSA metro (pre-2003) is larger than the others or not, in my opinion, all three counties should be combined into one metro as they were. This is what makes the Upstate so powerful in the business world, and I am glad this publication still recognizes the complete metro area as one.

The 4-star Westin Poinsett located downtown has been getting poor reviews lately from guests staying there: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g54258-d227071-Reviews-The_Westin_Poinsett_Greenville-Greenville_South_Carolina.html :poke:

As with any hotel, not everyone will be happy with their stay, for whatever reason. You may have missed the many good comments on that board as well. In any case, you can't judge a place by a handful of differing reviews. Many businesses book the hotel for seminars in town and have great things to say about its original beauty, history, location, and service. That would be my review as well, having stayed there on more than one occasion.

^In other lists, Expansion Management uses the current MSA definitions. It was probably easier to use the old definitions here since data from an 8-year period was used for these rankings.

Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson is a CSA, so at least the OMB recognizes that there are still economic ties between the core counties of the Upstate.

Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson is still an MSA as far as the official census is concerned. I realize that it was defined differently for the estimates that came out since then, but it's anybody's guess as to how it will be defined for the next census in 2010. As we all know, that depends on commuting patterns and a complex formula most of us don't understand.

GSP is clearly its own metro area, a la Dallas-Fort Worth, Tampa-St. Pete, Minneapolis-St. Paul. People know that. I will be shocked if commuting patterns don't agree with that by 2010, but even if they don't (and the two metros are split) the region's population base still applies.

I could see the argument that Anderson is not as closely tied to Greenville as Spartanburg is. But when places like Mauldin, which are clearly Greenville suburbs, are not included in the 2005 estimates, something is wrong.

I don't want to get into the "my metro is bigger and better than yours," debate (it is pointless afterall), but I wanted to say that regardless of whether the GSA metro (pre-2003) is larger than the others or not, in my opinion, all three counties should be combined into one metro as they were. This is what makes the Upstate so powerful in the business world, and I am glad this publication still recognizes the complete metro area as one.

You hit the key Skyliner.....we are one to "the business world". That's why GSA continues to pack such a powerful punch. And in the world of economics and company expansions, the way a business views the area is the most important part, not something typed on a piece of paper stating boundaries. :)

UP invasion. Somebody call the exterminator. :lol:

Project Skyline, Racket, and Elf update: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/BUSINESS/70619037

What the heck did they do to the website: http://www.bilocenter.com/ Wait, now I know: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/VIDEO/70619035/0/NEWS Congratulations Greenville, SC for being one of the few select cities in North America to get this: http://www.dinosaurlive.com/

We have crackheads in the state office. Why am I not suprised: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/NEWS/70619028

The Southern Connector broke a record last month with 506,587 transactions. That is the first time the number of transactions has broken the 500,000 mark in any month since the road opened in early 2001. Here is something I thought some people might find very interesting too: http://www.southernconnector.com/property_study/Section%20II/Section%20II%20-%20Detailed%20Findings.pdf

Connector 1 proposed development: http://www.southernconnector.com/property_study/Section%20V/Sites%20-%20Section%20A/Connector%20Plus%20Property/Connector%20Plus%201%20-%20Duke%20Study%20Site.pdf

Connector 1 site (Across Southern Connector/I-185 from Acadia): http://www.southernconnector.com/property_study/Section%20V/Sites%20-%20Section%20A/Connector%20Plus%20Property/Connector%20Plus%20Aerial.pdf

GSP is clearly its own metro area, a la Dallas-Fort Worth, Tampa-St. Pete, Minneapolis-St. Paul. People know that. I will be shocked if commuting patterns don't agree with that by 2010, but even if they don't (and the two metros are split) the region's population base still applies.

I agree--unless the definitions get revised again.

I think they will be together in the 2010 census just like in the past official census of 2000.

:cool: Super Bi-lo at Verdae had their grand opening today. The store was jam packed with people and the parking lot was almost completely full. The store is VERY nice and big looking. They had touchscreens inside the store telling you where things were located and some recipes you could print to take home, workers had on green colored shirts that reminded me of Greenville, the cleanness/layout of the store was excellent, and on top of it all the store was "huge." I couldn't get over just how large it was on the inside. Free samples of food and drinks were everywhere. Plasma tv's lined the aisles showing you advertisements and telling you about the store: http://www.bi-lo.com/bilo/home/bonuscard/super_bilo/super_bilo.jsp

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture052-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture051-2.jpg


The Point-

Homewood Suites by Hilton is progressing very quickly:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture054-2.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture060-2.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture053-1.jpg

Staybridge Suites is now open:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture056-2.jpg

Azia restaurant is almost complete:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture055-2.jpg

It's also possible that GSA could once again be an MSA before 2010 or shortly thereafter. Metro areas can be redesignated in non-official census years.

:cool: Super Bi-lo at Verdae had their grand opening today. The store was jam packed with people and the parking lot was almost completely full. The store is VERY nice and big looking. They had touchscreens inside the store telling you where things were located and some recipes you could print to take home, workers had on green colored shirts that reminded me of Greenville, the cleanness/layout of the store was excellent, and on top of it all the store was "huge." I couldn't get over just how large it was on the inside. Free samples of food and drinks were everywhere. Plasma tv's lined the aisles showing you advertisements and telling you about the store: http://www.bi-lo.com/bilo/home/bonuscard/super_bilo/super_bilo.jsp

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture052-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture051-2.jpg


The Point-

Homewood Suites by Hilton is progressing very quickly:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture054-2.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture060-2.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture053-1.jpg

Staybridge Suites is now open:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture056-2.jpg

Azia restaurant is almost complete:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/Picture055-2.jpg

Because Krazeeboi posted and made a new page, I decided to quote this post to make sure people saw it.

Good stuff: http://www.southeastrebusiness.com/articles/JUN07/snapshot1.html

You can thank g-man for this. I sent the grant application to the Greenville News and they said they would do an article on it: http://www.regionalaviationpartners.org/Home/pdf/4.25.07SCASDP_greenville.pdf Don't be suprised if an article involving this comes out in next week's GSA Business as well: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070621/BUSINESS/706210321

Super Bi-lo at Verdae grand opening story. Another Super Bi-lo being built in southern Greenville County (Simpsonville) is scheduled to open June 27th. Be sure to look at the photo gallery posted on the far right side of this article: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070621/BUSINESS/706210319

More jobs for Greenville: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070621/BUSINESS/706210322

You can thank g-man for this.
Thank you g-man :)

Ok, UP forumers. I don't know why it's so hard for you guys to post the Greenville News story on GSP International on your forum. :lol:

Next Greenville Drive homestand report:

Monday, June 25th – Greer Community Night

Tuesday, June 26th – Scout Night

Wednesday, June 27th – Summer Camp Day (12:00pm start)

Thursday, June 28st – $1 Drink Night (beer and soft drinks)

Vs. Lexington Legends



Friday, June 29th – Fireworks Friday

Saturday, June 30th – Live music in the Spinx 500 Club

Sunday, July 1st – Family Fun Day (kids run bases after the game)

Monday, July 2nd – 4th of July Celebration w/fireworks!! ($1 soft drinks)

Vs. West Virgina Power

Go take some pictures of the new construction at Carolina First headquarters G-man!!!

Go take some pictures of the new construction at Carolina First headquarters G-man!!!

Why? It is still just dirt out there with the pond liner starting to go in.

Not in Greenville, but still in the metro area of it. Grand opening celebration of the 8-story Watermarke Condos in Anderson along Lake Hartwell near the Exit 19, Clemson Blvd/I-85 interchange is tomorrow from 2-7pm: http://www.watermarkesc.com/ and http://tomwinkopp.tv/watermarke/

The City of Greenville Planning Commission's vote of rezoning the property at the future Crescent Place mixed-use development site has been postponed until July at the request of the developer.

Why? It is still just dirt out there with the pond liner starting to go in.

No. For your information there is a concrete wall being formed up right now!!!

No. For your information there is a concrete wall being formed up right now!!!

I know. That is the pond liner I was talking about.

I know. That is the pond liner I was talking about.I've never heard concrete retaining walls called a "pond liner" before. I think I'll listen to the professionals doing the real construction work and not a part-time minor league ballpark employee/student who thinks he knows it all. But thanks for all of the other information and photos.:)

I've never heard concrete retaining walls called a "pond liner" before. I think I'll listen to the professionals doing the real construction work and not a part-time minor league ballpark employee/student who thinks he knows it all. But thanks for all of the other information and photos.:)

It's the outliner for the pond. You can tell by the shape and depth of it. I do know it all. Greenville born and raised. So, how about those tax incentives for BPS? ;)

Credit to all pics posted below go to gsupstate.

Pond starting to go in at Carolina First Headquarters site:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/DSC02872.jpg

Griffin Park:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/DSC02876.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/DSC02877.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/DSC02878.jpg

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New corporate office building going up at Millport at Butler:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/DSC02888.jpg

Thanks for the photos. I like the density in Griffin Park and I hope that the final product will match the rendering(s). Glad to see that you finally got yourself an avatar, g-man :)

^^I was waiting for the perfect moment to get one. ;)

:banana: FINALLY: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/BUSINESS/706270398

Yes, finally we got to experience the carnival of Rio, as the photo below clearly shows. Did you take her for a ride with your new Ferrari? :rofl:

http://cmsimg.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=BS&Date=20070627&Category=BUSINESS&ArtNo=706270398&Ref=AR&Profile=1003&MaxW=800&title=1

Congrats on this deal :okay:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/DSC02878.jpg

Griffin Park kinda reminds me of Southside in downtown Greensboro

Yes, finally we got to experience the carnival of Rio, as the photo below clearly shows. Did you take her for a ride with your new Ferrari? :rofl:

http://cmsimg.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=BS&Date=20070627&Category=BUSINESS&ArtNo=706270398&Ref=AR&Profile=1003&MaxW=800&title=1

Congrats on this deal :okay:

How could I not. :naughty: :lol:

^^Speaking of Griffin Park:

OCTOBER GRAND OPENING JUST ANNOUNCED

GRIFFIN PARK, SC

As construction activity at Griffin Park continues at a rapid pace, plans are already well underway for our exciting two-week Grand Opening coming this October 2007. During our Grand Opening you’ll have the chance to experience life as a Griffin Park homeowner, with activities and events planned for all ages.

In addition twelve of our newest, completed homes will be open for tours, six of which will be magnificently decorated by some of the finest interior decorators in the Upstate. Contact the Griffin Park Sales Office today to schedule your own private tour of Griffin Park, the Upstate’s newest small town.

Griffinology [grif-in-ol-uh-jee]:
A Traditional Neighborhood Design principle used in the planning and development of Griffin Park.

GRIFFIN PARK, SC
Griffinology #3-“Most people only interact with others at work and in the home. People need “third places” to meet and socialize. Careful planning has gone into helping people intersect during their daily lives in Griffin Park.”

Some say that Griffin Park is a return to the way life was always supposed to be lived. Others say that this is something completely new. Both views are correct. Traditional Neighborhood Design brings back the traditional hometown in a totally new way, bringing life into a better balance. It’s all about connection…to family, to nature, to work, to play, to community and to each other. Interested in learning what life is all about in a small town like Griffin Park? Listen to these folks each of whom live in a Traditional Neighborhood Designed community similar to Griffin Park.

New Construction Well Underway

GRIFFIN PARK, SC
Building a small town is obviously no small feat, but after years of planning, construction of Griffin Park’s initial 12 homes is now well underway. A quick look down Austin Brook Street reveals a diverse group of homes, all architecturally connected under the principles of Traditional Neighborhood Design.

Built with the careful supervision of our Preferred Builder Team, these new residences offer a glimpse of the variety of home styles, from small cottages to large Victorian-era estates, that are a hallmark of Griffin Park. Brick, stone, and Hardiplank exteriors combine with state-of-the-art interior amenities to produce beautiful homes. Alley loaded garages and professional landscaping create special “outdoor” rooms for the residents of Griffin Park to enjoy.

One Step Closer To Perfect

Griffin Park is a place where homes are not measured in square feet but in footsteps…to the town square, the riverfront, the neighborhood park and lasting friendships. Just 15 miles from downtown Greenville, on the banks of the Reedy River, Griffin Park will be like no other town in the Upstate. To learn more about Griffin Park, call or visit us online.

Online video of development: http://griffinpark.com/life-here/tnd-video/

THREE more Super Bi-Lo's opened on Wednesday. One was new and the other two were expansions.

Article: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070628/NEWS01/706280304/0/NEWS03

Credit to gsupstate for pic of the new one in Simpsonville: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gsupstate/DSC02880.jpg

Rolls-Royce for the upstate area? Maybe: http://www.thestate.com/business/story/103042.html and http://www.independentmail.com/news/2007/jun/29/automaker-eyeing-clemson-property/

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/peacockdude/image.jpg

Pinnacle nears re-start after 'regroup'
Richard Breen-GSA Business

Bob Ellis, developer of the Pinnacle on Main, says construction should begin on his downtown Greenville high-rise at the beginning of July, following a shuffling of tenants. A ceremonial groundbreaking was held earlier this year for the 15-story, mixed-use building, but there has been little work done at the site since.

"We had someone come in - a national figure, if you will - planning to put a restaurant on the first floor," Ellis says. Meanwhile, another first-floor tenant is wrapping up negotiations and a regional business has approached Ellis about office space. "All of a sudden, these people came up and we had to regroup," he says.

Some internal reconfiguration was necessary to accomodate the first-floor restaurant. Additional changes were made so the large office tenant could purchase multiple office condominium units. "Everything's poised and ready to go," Ellis says. "We're negotiating some deals. It's coming along nicely." Ellis declined to name the new tenants.

The Pinnacle on Main includes both office and residential condominiums. It will include a penthouse-level private club as well as a fitness center with indoor pool. Ellis' architect firm, The Ellis Group PA, is the building's designer. Triangle Construction Co. is the general contractor.

I can't decide whether Pinnacle on Main or Chicago Spire is the more eagerly awaited groundbreaking. ;)

^^^It is starting to get rediculous at the amount of time this has taken. I bet we have built 10 different jobs since this one has been anounced.

^^I wouldn't doubt it. :banana: CONFIRMED. Aloft by W to build hotel here: http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2007_2nd/Jun07_aloftFifty.html and http://www.starwoodhotels.com/en_US/Media/PDF/aloft/aloft_50_deals_FINAL_6_25_07.pdf

Congrats on this one :okay:

:lol: It's my umps: http://youtube.com/watch?v=CFHRhZ8L7dM

"Believe only some of what you see, half of what you read, and none of what you hear." This involves the Pinnacle on Main and secret uptown tower project. ;)

"Believe only some of what you see, half of what you read, and none of what you hear." This involves the Pinnacle on Main and secret uptown tower project. ;)

Huh? :nuts:

Yes, finally we got to experience the carnival of Rio, as the photo below clearly shows. Did you take her for a ride with your new Ferrari? :rofl:

http://cmsimg.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=BS&Date=20070627&Category=BUSINESS&ArtNo=706270398&Ref=AR&Profile=1003&MaxW=800&title=1

Congrats on this deal :okay:

Actually, that was nothing compared to the Colombian Independence Day festival (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=379953&highlight=Colombian+Independence+Day) downtown last year. It's coming up again in less than a month.:clown:

Aloft by W is going next to the Michelin North American headquarters and near Marriott, not Magnolia Park Town Center.

And you thought I was going to post good news. Construction has been halted on the Fleming's Steakhouse site or whatever it's supposed to be between Doc Chey's and Woodruff Road at the Point.

But Indigo Joe's is now under construction a few hundred feet away.:lol:

^^True. How did I forget about that? :nuts:

Yes, uptown tower by Bob Ellis is still in the works according to a recent email from him. No, I don't know when construction will start on the Pinnacle on Main. Yes, there is supposed to be an announcement involving ICAR in the next week or two. No, to there being proof project skyline will be announced sometime this month. Yes, I went downtown last night and traffic was a nightmare, but it was still fun. No, construction has not started on the court street tower. Yes, construction has been delayed on Bookends phase II. Any other questions?

Rumor has it that The Bookends phase II could be taller to maximize profit due to the higher construction costs. Hopefully we'll hear something soon.

^^I'll believe it when I see it like every other downtown tower project.

You can thank g-man for this. I sent her the links that one was coming here and she said she would do a story on it: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070706/BUSINESS/707060318

Heard any more good lies lately G-man?

^^I don't know. You tell me. Go back to your UP life is perfect world and leave me alone.

Story on Easley Town Center: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707050323

G-man, are you going through withdrawals about something? Life is not as bad as you are making it out to be. Perhaps you should get out and live up all that Greenville has to offer instead of sitting at home and remaining bored. Just a thought...

There are plenty of positive things to discuss about the city, if you're willing to participate.

This year's downtown 4th of July festival attracted a record-breaking crowd of more than 75,000 and next year is expected to easily top that total.

One reason next year's Red White & Blue festival will be larger is because the 2008 Wing Ding will be in town during that week.

The Municipal Association of South Carolina is holding its annual meeting in Greenville next week, and the bulk of the conference will be dedicated to highlighting our city's nationally-recognized successful revitalization. More Info. (http://www.masc.sc/Education/07AnMtg_main.htm)

Clemson University plans to release news about a significant development within a week. This may very well have to do with CU-ICAR, but until the press release, its anyone's guess.

A new entertainment venue is being planned for the West End, near the ballpark. This will be a unique restaurant with 8 bars, multiple levels, decks, and regular name bands traveling between Atlanta and Charlotte.

And this is just a small glimpse into the great things happening. ;)

^^No. I am just getting tired of people telling me I lie about things when they do the same. So, how about that Michelin on Main/WYFF thing Skyliner or the 30-story riverplace tower erm1981? I will go to an amusement park then a large water park for you Skyliner. Oh wait, Greenville doesn't have that.

Oh, and we can't forget about the IMAX, aquarium, and large zoo that we have too. NOT. I wonder if McChesney would be willing to have something like an IMAX or aquarium as part of the "entertainment district" of their new Point project? hmmm... Hey, at least we're finally getting our ice-skating rink downtown: http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070706/BUSINESS/70706033

^^I don't know. You tell me. Go back to your UP life is perfect world and leave me alone.

Um...hell no. Metro.m misses you.

^^Why won't you all just leave me alone?

^^No. I am just getting tired of people telling me I lie about things when they do the same. So, how about that Michelin on Main/WYFF thing Skyliner or the 30-story riverplace tower erm1981? I will go to an amusement park then a large water park for you Skyliner. Oh wait, Greenville doesn't have that.

You obviously haven't been watching much local television then. The promotional ads have been on for quite awhile now. I never said anything about WYFF being involved though. The launch date is scheduled for August 6, but I am not sure if it will be broadcast from Michelin On Main initially since the construction will need to be completed.

Also, erm qualified his statement about the possible 30-story tower with the quote that it was not at all definite and came from a friend. That is not a lie in any sense.

If you want an amusement park and a large water park, you don't have far to drive in three different directions. If you want Greenville to build these, then spend your energy on helping us get them instead of whining like a baby because you want it here yesterday.:nuts:

^^I only watch WYFF. All the others suck except for WLOS in Asheville. Would you all just quit bugging me and let me live in peace.

If you want to live in peace that is your choice. No one is causing you any pain you haven't brought on yourself. ;)

I'm what I am and i'm what i'm not. I'm sure happy with what i've got. I live to love and laugh a lot and that's all I need. :)

If you want to live in peace that is your choice. No one is causing you any pain you haven't brought on yourself. ;)

I don't know why you guys keep coming here and bugging me. What do you want from me? :bash:

The hole at the Peacock Hotel and Spa site seems to get bigger and deeper everyday. Credit to restedtraveler for these pics. I should have some new ones tomorrow if the rain holds off:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/RestedTraveler/Greenville/98%20East%20McBee/004.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/RestedTraveler/Greenville/98%20East%20McBee/003.jpg

I don't know why you guys keep coming here and bugging me. What do you want from me? :bash:
We want some update photos... and we want them NOW!!! Your photos, not other forumers' :lol:

^^I'll go out and take some tomorrow if you do the same. :lol:

Ill tell you what i want G-man. I want all your information. I will give you truth serum to get it out of you. The 30-story tower was just a rumor for phase 3 of riverplace.