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BetterFuture
June 4th, 2006, 01:04 AM
http://www.slate.com/id/2086157/

According to this article, in the future, Russia and China may discuss the

transaction of Russia Far East, similar to the Louisiana Purchase between

the United States and France.

What do you think?

lester
June 4th, 2006, 02:44 AM
uhh... the Sakhalin lsl. was used to be a part of China, China would be so happy to get it back 4 sho. Anyway, Russia wont sell it abso!

Pangu
June 4th, 2006, 06:28 AM
The article talks why China SHOULD purchase RFE back from Russia, not that it WILL happen.

The possibility is definitely there, but whether it will happen or not depends on Russia's economy and how desperate it will get in the future.

lester
June 4th, 2006, 04:28 PM
TBH,TLDR XD

huaxia-zhonghua
June 5th, 2006, 02:23 AM
far east area can be very important fto russia in the future when the east asia become the richest area of the world.but right now,the population of russia at there is dropping rapidly and europe is the key area of russia nowaday's policy,so it's possible for china to buy them back or use some other resource to make the deal attractive to russia.china and russia will have a good relation in the next several decades,they need each other.

BetterFuture
June 6th, 2006, 04:01 AM
China should discuss with Russia to purchase some part of the Russia Far East.

For example, China can purchase from Russia the Russian part below the Amur River.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_River

Modernization
June 6th, 2006, 05:59 AM
http://www.slate.com/id/2086157/

According to this article, in the future, Russia and China may discuss the

transaction of Russia Far East, similar to the Louisiana Purchase between

the United States and France.

What do you think?
No, its more similar to the US purchase of Alaska from Russia :)

BetterFuture
June 6th, 2006, 07:57 AM
Modernization :) Thank you for pointing that out.

The Russian-Chinese Border: Today’s Reality (Part I)
by Herman Pirchner, Jr.

http://www.hooverassociation.org/americanroadrussian.htm

gaoanyu
June 6th, 2006, 11:21 AM
The article can not defend the following line:

"China—and Manchuria in particular—has its own set of problems. Overpopulation..."
Northeast China is certainly not overpopulated compared to other provinces.

Pangu
June 6th, 2006, 03:49 PM
The article can not defend the following line:

"China—and Manchuria in particular—has its own set of problems. Overpopulation..."
Northeast China is certainly not overpopulated compared to other provinces.
Good point. Compare to RFE, Northeast China is of course "overpopulated", but then again, that's like comparing Alaska to say, California... rather pointless.

huaxia-zhonghua
June 7th, 2006, 02:51 AM
Good point. Compare to RFE, Northeast China is of course "overpopulated", but then again, that's like comparing Alaska to say, California... rather pointless.
yep,if russia can sell that back to us,I believe that there will be enough people go and work there.afetr china fiinished the urbanliztion,NW can provide enough food to the wole nation,because most areas at northern china and northeastern china are plain land,they are suitable for the large-scale mechanical operation with high yield.south china will be too developed to have agriculture,while southeastern china have no enough land for agriculture.

Yakun
June 7th, 2006, 03:06 AM
um.. how big is the land

BetterFuture
June 7th, 2006, 05:32 AM
China should propose to Russia to purchase the Russian/Outer Manchuria. In return, China can pay Russia $1 Billion per year for the next 50 years or 100 years. The total cost is $50 Billion to $100 Billion or maybe higher or lower.

Please check this link for Chinese/Inner Manchuria and Russian/Outer Manchuria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchuria

lochinvar
June 10th, 2006, 01:11 AM
China at present has already a big territory to handle. Before thinking of buying or retaking parts of Siberia, it should make sure its outlying territories are always happy. Just like Russia, it might implode in the future. Empire starts small, grows big, then crumble.

huaxia-zhonghua
June 10th, 2006, 01:38 AM
China at present has already a big territory to handle. Before thinking of buying or retaking parts of Siberia, it should make sure its outlying territories are always happy. Just like Russia, it might implode in the future. Empire starts small, grows big, then crumble.

well russia is still united together today.it's not a problem of territory but diversity of population

xoxery
June 10th, 2006, 12:22 PM
It is so huge.I can't imagine.

ice787306
June 13th, 2006, 10:36 AM
china has enough land to use it ........but the unblance of economy make the people crowd to the delta and in north east is nearly useless

feverwin
June 13th, 2006, 01:47 PM
If Russia sell that part of land, it means she will be totally insulated with Japan and America, maybe now the most two threats to her. However China will take over all of these, like land dispute, territory protection...And Except China, Russia will be no need to care anyone east, and far from Japan or America, less interests war, more international living space. Most important, lack of oil here. Even Russia has these benefit, it can't sell this land. Never possible, how the government face his people by selling land to get rich??

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Sen
June 13th, 2006, 02:31 PM
I dont think anything can be gained besides the boost of national pride from the purchase, unless Russia DESPERATELY wants to sell it, we should not consider it.

null
June 13th, 2006, 02:41 PM
never expect a plot from Russia

"俄罗斯的国土虽然广袤,但没有一寸多余的土地"

Wssps
June 28th, 2006, 12:07 PM
Russia has to much pride to sell parts of there teritory, I don't see this happen in a thousend years

SimFox
July 1st, 2006, 04:16 AM
Well, Russia will never sell! And question is here not only in national (imperial) pride but also purely economic – the wealth those areas in the east posses! And the power this wealth gives.
Numbers given here like 1 billion a year for 100 years may sound large for an individual. But in fact those are just pee-nuts! That billion a year in 100 years makes about as much as Russia’s Foreign currency reserves grew up in a last year or so! And where do you think all those money come from? At the moment there are about quarter of TRILLION dollars sitting in vaults of Central Bank of RF (247,38 billion $) and another 75 billion Reserve found of Government. And those figures grow by 2-3 billion every week! Gazprom wich is 51% owned by government at the moment when I write this is worth whopping 240,575 bln. $ making it world’s 3rd most valuable company ahead of Microsoft and is predicted by GoldmanSachs to reach 330 billion dollars by this year's end. Again where is all this come, right from Siberia and Far East
So as you see Russian problem today is not the luck of money but luck of ideas what to do with all the money it has got already and that keep piling up faster then government can find place where to keep it all! And again here Siberia could be handy so much space!!
Russians love to put money in real estate which lead to property prices growing in Moscow by 20-45% a year for last 7 years. And now standing at about 10-15000$ per sq. m. in downtown Moscow with most prestigious addresses selling for 40-50 000 per sq. m
Last year 5 000 000 sq m of apartments were built only within Moscow City and all of it sold, and mind you for REAL money , meaning NOT borrowed! People pay CASH! Only 3% apartments were bought using mortgage. Most are sold when first machinery arrives at the place where house will be built!
So do you really think that in this situation Russia would be interested in SELLING it’s eastern provinces??
Well given love of real estate, Russia may want to buy some African country or two!
Russia is very fast increases it military expenditure and develops hi tech hi power weapons including new generation of strategic nuclear warheads and delivery system which are both stealth and capable of maneuvering at Hypersonic speeds of 5 to 7 000 kph with plot set by advance chaos theory. Putin casually added that those are capable of reaching any target on Earth or under the Earth meaning bunkers and such. Clearly weapons as such are not developed and built to be really used but to send signal. And signal is clear Russia will protect itself. Russian military) like basically any military in the world isn’t very capable of fighting insurgents in Chechnja, but it would be perfectly capable of totally devastate any advance industrial nation in the world in a matter of minutes.
But all this aside, Russia and China today and in future are perfectly contribute each other and if will be capable to set history and mistrust aside, which seems to be the case today, would greatly benefit each other. So I would say - World, look closely at Shanghai group!