Bennigans is adding a dance floor, More flat screen T.V.'s, Wii video gaming system and a dj after 10 o' clock starting early december or later this month.

The food at this Bennigans is HORRIBLE!! Ive never had a good meal there...a cold beverage..YES, but as far as food, ugh!

Indeed. To each his own I suppose, I agree though; same goes for Applebees, I do not even know why that place exists.

Steve

I'm sorry I guess lol, I cook on sundays.

The food at this Bennigans is HORRIBLE!! Ive never had a good meal there...a cold beverage..YES, but as far as food, ugh!

Yeah, they should've closed the place when they had the chance!

Margarita Mama's, Banana Joe's, Lucky's, and Velvet Room (all owned by the same people) were booted out of Channelside this week -- that whole part of the second floor is now empty and the signs were being taken down today. That's a LOT of prime space, at least Margarita Mama's space.

Would love to get a nice seafood restaurant down there -- there really isn't a good seafood place in the area. But with all of that now empty, as well as the Hook bar/McGraw's place vacant, wonder what Channelside is going to do to fill in that huge vacant area.

This isn't going to go good if they can't fill up the space soon. Accorsding to a St. Pete Times article, rent is $45,000. The owner is already behind paying the Port Authority. And rent there is expensive first off. There is space around the Channelside area that is probably cheaper and still haven't filled up. Can we really believe all the space will be filled up?

Margarita Mama's, Banana Joe's, Lucky's, and Velvet Room (all owned by the same people) were booted out of Channelside this week -- that whole part of the second floor is now empty and the signs were being taken down today. That's a LOT of prime space, at least Margarita Mama's space.

Would love to get a nice seafood restaurant down there -- there really isn't a good seafood place in the area. But with all of that now empty, as well as the Hook bar/McGraw's place vacant, wonder what Channelside is going to do to fill in that huge vacant area.

Actually Banana joes and Margarita mamas have been closed since Halloween, that was their last night

If they put in decent places, I would start going back down there.

The new bar is now "officially official" -- opening in February. Called Pour House ... here's the website:

www.pourhousetampa.com

The Dry Cleaners opened today. It's called Be Seen and they did a nice job with the design.

Further build-out at Powerhouse Gym is starting after the holidays -- its going to include a rock climbing wall in the back and some other cool stuff that I can't remember right now.

Before anyone asks, still haven't heard anything further about the grocery store or the new restaurants.

By the way, I'm going to start a "semi-educated" rumor here -- I think bd's Mongolian Grill is going to take either Margarita Mama's space or a space in Grand Central.

A few reasons:
(1) Primarily, the owners of the two Tampa-area bd's just moved into Grand Central about six weeks ago
(2) Channelside is located roughly halfway between their Oldsmar and Lakeland restaurants
(3) A bartender at an Ybor restaurant saying "I heard a restaurant that was like Dish (the defunct similar restaurant that is becoming Hamburger Mary's) is coming to Channelside"
(4) The manager of the Channelside complex stated in the St. Pete Times, after the Margarita Mama's closing, that they are in discussions with a family-friendly restaurant that will fit the complex well (I'll see if I can find the exact words, but I could easily see a bd's in that space)
(5) The neighborhood fits directly into what they're looking for in new restaurant locations. From their website: "Preferably store-front or free-standing sites in mid-scale urban neighborhoods and regional suburban markets with strong restaurant synergy. Other synergistic uses include: coffee shops, specialty boutiques, banks, movie theaters, comedy clubs, micro-breweries, universities/colleges, hospitals, office parks, special event venues and other generators of mid-day and evening traffic. Availability of liquor license is mandatory."

I usually try to avoid chains when I can, but the few times I ate at the Oldsmar location, I really liked it. I think it probably fits Channelside better than Grand Central, but I'd love to have it here as well.

I'm guessing the rock wall will be one of those electronic ones that rotate? Sounds cool.

bd Mongolian Grill would be a nice fit. And would be a faster selection then Hooters.

it seems, given the economic circumstances of the time as much as the changing preferences of consumers, that a chain like bd's, which is able to offer a branded, "unique" dining experience, would be successful and perhaps appropriate in the interim, for the plaza to remain viable.

thinking of the longer term, i strongly dislike the form/function of the plaza (we've discusses how it, among other things, walls itself off to the street and to the waterfront, which is sort of absurd given the physical context of the site), and i personally would much rather see local, one-of-a-kind dining/shopping experiences in the site instead. i think that channelside has been left largely with chain consumption options has more to do with the management of the plaza (tax structures, rents, aesthetic confines) than it does with the creative talent in the tampa area. we should all be considering ways in which the city can pursue programs to incentivize more attractive local business in the plaza.

perhaps a better starting point would be centro ybor -- is it (or was it ever?) in part owned by the city? in such a case, exploring how redevelopment funds or the establishment of a community benefit district might be established/applied to programs that subsidize or incentivize local business could be fruitful for the city, and ultimately much more meaningful and sustainable in terms of community economic development in the ybor, channel district and downtown contexts.

The Parking garage is starting to go up, a lot taller than I expected, Looks to be in about the 60ft range, as tall if not taller than the plaza is.

BTW I went inside the new Acropolis today to borrow a latter for work,... it's looking, niiiiiice, the view of the water is awesome from that place, your not over looking it like at Bennigans, your at about the same level as it, better vibe.


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I'm never going to like this new garage. I wish the residents had more voice on this considering it's in their community. Espicially on traffic in the area next to The Towers. And I forgot and will check in previous posts, but was retail allowed on the bottom floor or did the port still leave it out? I can't believe the city would allow this to happen without retail, look how close that wall is to the sidewalk. Just a nice brick wall, such beauty! :ohno:

^ I watched the city council meeting on t.v. when this project was being discussed....it was "suggested" by someone on the council that retail be added to the first floor, but obviously it wasn't required for approval. The Port Authority only did what they had to - the bare minimum - to get approval, not what would have made this a better project.

:ohno: Can't believe them. I would had pushed back the approval just to get retail in to this project. The City Council is hopeless on some things.

do you know if the council has any authority to tell the port anything about it? and if so, how far that authority goes?

Don't know. I would think they would, since it's still in the city, just not city owned. Wouldn't it be like a home association? They might not own the property, but still have a voice on what the owners can and can't do?

In response to the post on the Ventana auction, only 10 of the 33 units sold, and a few winning bidders have walked away. The three available penthouses sold at 391k, 351k, and about 385k. This values them at somewhere around $150-155 psf for the best units in the development. I went to the auction, the interest in the building was very low.

^I'm sure that people are pricing taxes and fees in as part of the total 'cost of ownership', which places the value considerably less than is otherwise apparent.

I'm sure it also doesn't help that the prospect of the neighborhood or the streetcar system being built out any time soon isn't very good, and the city has shown little initiative in encouraging either.

I bet a grocery store next by would help out in some of the decisions. People don't want to drive across downtown and in to Bayshore to go shopping.

In response to the post on the Ventana auction, only 10 of the 33 units sold, and a few winning bidders have walked away. The three available penthouses sold at 391k, 351k, and about 385k. This values them at somewhere around $150-155 psf for the best units in the development. I went to the auction, the interest in the building was very low.

According the the Ventana website, they alluded to 22 of the condos being sold, not just 10 condos. www.ventanatampa.com (http://www.ventanatampa.com)

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75: I was there, I can quote each sale, and each price because I recorded them, and the auction was stopped after 10 units sold, 3 of which were at minimum bid. Don't believe everything you read my friend. I currently rent downtown and was there to possibly buy a home, even considering the taxes and fees. If there were sufficient interest to support the current pricing structure, I would have bought one. It was very disappointing to me because I believe in the Channel District, live here now, and own one business here, and am trying to start another. I want to see more and more downtown residents in the worst way. I wish these developers and banks would wake up and price accordingly.

Oh, remember a bunch of Kensington Townhomes were sold as well at the auction, maybe 22 homes sold, but not in Ventana.

Thanks for the information, Tampa Wine Guy. It seems to me that the Ventana website is purposefully being misleading. I'm also disappointed that there wasn't more interest in the building. I thought the prices was quite good to stir interest.

I read the add as "22 homes will be sold in 1 hour" as in they have 22 to sell in less than an hour, not that 22 were sold. I did not see the add before the auction, but the one above looks like it was made before the auction took place.

Steve

so...

one thing that's surprising to me is that nobody has mentioned the fact that there's a bathhouse in the heart of channelside -- on 11th street. my family lives in the meridian and doesn't mind, but has anyone noticed any trouble/heard any grumbles?

i should hope it's not an issue - it's a clean, discreet place serving a very important social function.

^ Wellll, if you hope it's not an issue, why bring it up? Hmmm.

I don't mind it, but do mind it in Channelside.

There's not much info on the net, but what I've have researched, it's a gay bathhouse/entertainment area at 215 11th St. Maybe something more Yborish than in Channelside?

^Never knew, certainly don't know of any trouble. Evidently they are discreet.

What I wonder is if the residents of Slade knew of this beforehand. Certainly they should be told before buying a place, even if it's not a "big deal" . The building though that they are located is kind of hideous though and joins a row of ugly buildings that I hope are bought up, demolished, and built up.

Certainly they should be told before buying a place, even if it's not a "big deal"

Why? Isn't up to the buyer of a property to research the neighborhood? Everyone has a different idea of what's a big deal, it shouldn't be up to the developer to be everyone's parents. It's not as if research is hard, this club even has a listing and clickable link right inside Google Maps.

^ Wellll, if you hope it's not an issue, why bring it up? Hmmm.

no, it's not at all. not only am i queer, i live in san francisco and have a degree in planning from berkeley - honey, i'm not a prude.

i thought it'd be interesting to see what, if anything, channel district residents knew/thought about the joint. they have absolutely every right to be there -- this is obvious and goes without saying.

I've lived right across the street (front of Grand Central East) from Club Tampa (the bathhouse) for almost three years now, and no one has brought up a concern with them at all. In fact, I wouldn't have even known there was a bathhouse in that location had a neighbor not mentioned it a couple of years back, and the occasional Saturday nights when there are a lot of cars parking on 11th Street. Even then, if I didn't know better, I would think those cars are either avoiding paying for parking for Channelside or visiting Grand Central.

Looking out my window right now, I don't think many residents of The Slade even look at this place -- it actually fronts the entrance of The Slade's garage. More of a concern is the music that Zelda's sometimes pumps out on Friday/Saturday nights (its actually gotten better, both in volume and in quality -- that reggae keyboardist a few months back was the absolute worst).

And, sorry for a small rant upcoming ...

If this business -- or a straight strip joint, or a medical marijuana bar -- were to decide to open in suburban Brandon near schools and churches (just using Brandon as a random example), I'd be furious if I was living there. People choose to live in areas like that for specific reasons, and I've been a resident of places in suburban areas like that in the past, for many good reasons.

However, I've chosen to live in the city and realize that I might not agree with everything here, but I'm willing to trade some minor negatives for the big majority of positives.

- Is it louder here? Absolutely.
- Are there some unsightly areas right in front of my place (I'm talking mainly about the vacant lot on 11th that fronts Kennedy)? Absolutely.
- Do we have more restrictions here than we would in more rural areas? Absolutely.
- Does it make me uncomfortable to have all of those gas storage areas behind me on Madison? Absolutely.
- Does that reggae keyboardist -- or the bikers coming back from Ybor on Sunday evenings -- make me want to yell? Trust me.
- Does that train that comes through at 3am every morning have to blow its whistle about 100 times? (I'm assuming) absolutely.

But, again, those are my trade-offs. I hope everyone that decides to move to Channelside knows that there is a gay bathhouse, that there are still unsightly blocks, that knows that the noise can be bad at times, and that your drunk visitors on Friday/Saturday nights are going to be throwing trash in front of your place.

If you can deal with all of this and see all of the terrific benefits beyond these difficulties, come on down and be my neighbor.

If not, then don't complain when you start missing "beautiful Bel Arbor Oaks" in Pasco County.

Why? Isn't up to the buyer of a property to research the neighborhood? Everyone has a different idea of what's a big deal, it shouldn't be up to the developer to be everyone's parents. It's not as if research is hard, this club even has a listing and clickable link right inside Google Maps.
I would still like to be told about this, even with or without my own research. If I would know that there is a place across the street, created loud noise on weekends, and I signed the papers for the place; I'm basically agreeing to accept the loud noise. Just put in paper, doesn't have to be the whole neighborhood, but a quick sum up. Take Slade as example, I would just summarize that Meridian is to the west of the complex and does create some noise, Grand Central is to the north and adds some traffic, Club Tampa is to the east, creates some noise but is pretty calm on everything, and nothing exist to the south, but development will likely occur on the site. Of course the noise I would already would know about beforehand, but not everyone is me. And it would defeat any argument that anyone would create about noise if it's just in writing.

I wouldn't mind the bathhouse. I would just want to have some writing on the surrounding interests, if I need it or not.

I would still like to be told about this, even with or without my own research. If I would know that there is a place across the street, created loud noise on weekends, and I signed the papers for the place; I'm basically agreeing to accept the loud noise. Just put in paper, doesn't have to be the whole neighborhood, but a quick sum up. Take Slade as example, I would just summarize that Meridian is to the west of the complex and does create some noise, Grand Central is to the north and adds some traffic, Club Tampa is to the east, creates some noise but is pretty calm on everything, and nothing exist to the south, but development will likely occur on the site. Of course the noise I would already would know about beforehand, but not everyone is me. And it would defeat any argument that anyone would create about noise if it's just in writing.

I wouldn't mind the bathhouse. I would just want to have some writing on the surrounding interests, if I need it or not.

i'll need to confirm this (i'm not in real estate, but my immediate family is), but disclosing such information about a neighborhood - ie "unusually" prominent presence of homosexual activity - by a real estate professional/developer to a potential client would potentially be illegal. certainly, making suggestions/generalizations about race are explicitly forbidden by law. in this case, were such disclosure to be taken to court, it would almost certainly NOT favor the developer/real estate professional, fyi.

such a summary would only prove incredibly problematic (and, like i said, potentially illegal), so why bother? if it's so irksome to an individual, they probably aren't the ideal candidate for city dwelling.

but, yes, people ought to be informed about their communities. that only takes open eyes and a degree of common sense, though. people need to be able to come to their own conclusions about whether or not a particular environment can serve the needs, no matter how encompassing or self-serving they may be, imo.

It is no more illegal to say there is a gay bathhouse down the street than it is to say there is a strip club down the street. You may not want to do it depending on who you are trying to sell to, but it is not illegal.

I've lived in the Channel District for 7 years, and only one block away from the bathhouse. I initially wondered if this would be an issue to any of the new developments in the Channelside area, or any of the new residents. It really seems to be a non-issue, as far as I can tell.

There's virtually no noise that comes from the bathhouse. Believe me, they are not trying to draw attention to themselves (there's not even a sign out front). I've seen the 'guests' discretely going in and out as I walk my dog in the neighborhood.

It's been there for decades, but I'm surprised that they decided to stay through all the changes. I would have guessed that someone offered them some $$$ for that land 4-6 years ago.

To me, the worst thing about the area is inconsiderate neighbors. Just woke up this morning to see puke on the sidewalk outside my loft and dog crap all along the driveway. But as mentioned before, that's city living for you. Not that big of a deal, and neither is the bathhouse.

Even their website is discreet. I've driven past that place 100 times and never noticed. No sign, nothing.

http://www.clubtampaflorida.com/Club_Tampa_Home_Page.html

Even their website is discreet. I've driven past that place 100 times and never noticed. No sign, nothing.[/url]

Discreet? Just take a look at what they publicize! (:lol:

FRIDAYS - AFTER MIDNIGHT
COMPLIMENTARY HOT DOGS
SERVED WHILE THEY LAST.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/fire/article1056781.ece

Fire marshal cranks up the heat on Channelside Bay Plaza
By Justin George, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Sunday, December 6, 2009


TAMPA — Over the years, Channelside Bay Plaza has not had the occupancy problems that plagued some other shopping complexes.

Envisioned as a shopping center when it was built in 2001, Channelside has morphed into a restaurant- and bar-heavy destination, taking advantage of the nearby St. Pete Times Forum's hockey games and concerts. Snoop Dogg and others have played in the courtyard, drawing thousands of people to the plaza for special events.

But the shift from a place to shop to a place to play came with consequences that the Tampa fire marshal says has been ignored for too long.

Channelside does not meet the fire code since transforming to an entertainment complex.

Tired of negotiating, interim Fire Marshal Melvin Jenkins has vowed to prohibit new businesses from doing any remodeling.

"We won't allow any permit work to be done," he said. "So if someone wants to remodel something, we're not going to allow that. Our desire is not to hurt anyone's business. But at the same time, we have to look out for the safety of anyone visiting those establishments."

In this recession, that's a serious hammer to try and force Channelside management to comply. The complex needs new tenants since evicting four bars just a few weeks ago for unpaid rent. Channelside also owes its landlord, the Port of Tampa, more than $250,000 in parking fees.

Brett Low, Channelside's general manager and leasing agent, said the fire marshal's sanction could "potentially" affect the opening of Taverna Opa, a Greek restaurant chain that plans to open soon in the former Grille 29 space on the lower level, as well as other future tenants.

"That is what it is," he said.

But he said he's close to submitting a corrective plan soon.

Channelside, a 230,000-square-foot complex built for $49 million on downtown Garrison Channel, includes Hooters, an IMAX theater, piano bar and upscale bowling alley. Its entry and exit points would conform to the fire code if shoppers just came and went through the complex. But patrons of Channelside stay for hours for dinner and drinks, slowly filling the place with more than 1,000 people on weekends.

That occupancy threshold requires Channelside to have four fire-rated exits, Jenkins said. Channelside has four exits but just three meet fire inspection criteria.

The complex's main tunnel or "pass through" into the courtyard from Channelside Drive has about 40 feet that could be dangerous if a large crowd tried to squeeze through during a fire or emergency. Fixing the problem could involve installing reinforced glass, rolling shutters or drywall in the tunnel or making other engineering changes.

"If you're going to have thousands of people in that courtyard and a problem occurs, you want those people to be able to get out safely and not get trampled," Tampa Fire Rescue Capt. Bill Wade said.

The Fire Marshal's Office has asked Channelside to fix the issue for more than a year, Jenkins said. A few months ago, plaza management agreed to make changes but never submitted construction plans. Jenkins said it seems like Channelside dropped the issue.

"In my mind, I would think that it's not expensive, but I'm not a contractor," Jenkins said.

Low said his management company has been working on a solution that's not as simple as it seems. Fire-rated glass doesn't come in desired lengths. Walling off storefront windows in the tunnel could reduce leaseable space, and aesthetics are important.

• • •

Then there's the issue of getting blessings from the Port Authority, Department of Homeland Security and state law enforcement officials, who have oversight of the waterfront.

An architect has drawn up several options that Channelside's New York-based construction manager will review Monday, Low said. He has also sought out construction bids.

"We're 90 percent done," he estimated. "Once we're able to say, 'This is the plan,' (Jenkins) and the building department have assured me they will fast-track the permit and we'll be good to go."

From the outside looking in, the lack of progress worries businesses such as Qachbal's Chocolatier, located within the tunnel that needs to be reinforced. Owner Candy Qachbal said the issue could affect whether she decides to renew her lease.

"They need to address these issues," Qachbal said. "I would hate to pull out from Channelside, but if things don't change you don't have any other option but to pick up and move out."

A number of growing vacancies will also influence the decision, she said. Channelside recently evicted Margarita Mama's, Banana Joe's, the Velvet Room and Lucky's — clubs all under one ownership — after they fell behind on $57,000 monthly rent payments, emptying much of Channelside's upper level.

Coincidentally, the Port of Tampa is threatening to terminate Channelside's lease if the more than $250,000 in parking fees aren't paid and fire issues aren't resolved, according to a letter a port attorney sent Channelside's owner last month.

The port owns parking garages next to the plaza that discount patrons' validated parking for a monthly fee of $21,000. But Channelside management hasn't made a payment in about a year, port attorney Charles Klug said.

Low declined to comment on the port's claims.

But he said the issues won't stop crowds from coming out to Channelside. On Saturday, the complex hosted an Atlantic Coast Conference Championship game party. A Dec. 18 Holiday Lighted Boat Parade also remains on schedule.

The Fire Marshal's Office continues to approve special events on a case-by-case basis, Jenkins said, as long as Channelside keeps extra fire personnel on hand to supervise exits and monitor building occupancy limits.

Jenkins said his office allows the events because he doesn't want to hurt downtown area businesses and tenants during the recession. But those allowances are being made in good faith that Channelside fixes fire code issues soon.

"We're not asking you to do something above the norm," he said.

Justin George can be reached at (813) 226-3368 or jgeorge@sptimes.com.

Tampa Port Authority votes to take action against Channelside owners
By Steve Huettel, Times Staff Writer
Posted: Dec 15, 2009 11:40 AM

The Tampa Port Authority attorneys got the green light Tuesday to file suit and possibly to kick out the owners of Channelside Bay Plaza for violating their lease.

The public agency's board voted unanimously to take legal action against the owners for not paying more than $300,000 owed to the authority, failing to resolve violations raised by Tampa's fire marshal and not keeping up the retail and entertainment center.

"We've been overly patient,'' said Tampa Mayor Pam Iorio. "We need to hold this tenant responsible."

Channelside Bay Mall LLC, owned by a New York real estate developer, leases the land under Channelside Bay Plaza from the authority. The company pays about $500,000 a year, about half for parking reimbursements and the rest in rent.

Attorneys will make a last attempt to resolve the issues with Channelside before going to court, said Charles Klug, port counsel. The won't be any immediate impact on shops, restaurants and other businesses at the center, he said.

Steve Huettel can be reached at huettel@sptimes.com or (813) 226-3384.



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Underground storage 'vault' will hold runoff in Channel District
By KATHY STEELE | The Tampa Tribune
Published: December 18, 2009

TAMPA - City officials plan to ease flooding in the Channel District with an $8.7 million stormwater project that will build an underground vault for water storage beneath York Street. Pipes also will be installed under Washington Street, near a planned small park.

The streets will be resurfaced, and Washington will get a streetscape makeover.

If financing is secured, construction could begin in 2010.

And, in a down economy, financing will be done the old-fashioned way – with a fixed-rate bank loan.
City of Tampa Finance Director Bonnie Wise said banks have been asked to submit proposals for loans of three or five years that will be backed by future property tax revenue collected within the Channel District.

About $4 million will come directly from the district's tax revenues for 2009 and 2010. The remaining $4.7 million will be financed through the loan and tied to future revenues.

Such costly projects were stalled statewide in 2007 by the state Supreme Court's Strand decision which said voters had to decide how to spend public dollars from special taxing districts. The court reversed itself in late 2008.

"We'll see if this is the first one to get done," Wise said.

The loan agreement is expected to be ready for council approval on Jan. 14, with a closing the next day.

If a 5-year loan at 6 percent interest is approved, the district's annual debt service would be about $1.2 million. Wise said that is based on projected revenues that would leave almost $2 million available for other projects.

"I think 6 percent is probably high," she said, and could mean annual debt service would be somewhat less. "We anticipate that we will get some good rates."

The vault will be under York Street, east of Channelside Drive, which primarily is used as a service entrance to the port and for access to the Florida Aquarium's parking lot. It will be resurfaced after construction.

The stormwater project will improve drainage across about 39 acres of public rights of way within Channel District, said Mark Huey, the city's economic and development administrator. Electrical distribution lines, though not transmission lines, will be buried under the ground.

"I am so excited to see underground electrical," said Councilwoman Linda Saul-Sena. "It is initially expensive. Long term it is a great investment."

A small park is slated for Washington and 12th Street. Residents have met twice to discuss what they want at the park. A dog park, landscaping and public art have been suggested.

http://centraltampa2.tbo.com/content/2009/dec/18/underground-storage-vault-will-hold-runoff-channel/news/

By the way, the nonsense going on with the Fire Marshall in Channelside will do only one thing, shut down the businesses that our wonderful, caring city council wants to keep open. It is absolutely amazing to me the stupidity displayed by ownership, Port of Tampa, and the City with Channelside. The losers are simply the shop owners and the public that actually give a rats a$$ whether we survive or not. Thank you to all that want to see the shops survive.

Oh, and by the way on the parking garage that is nothing more than an edifice to government stupidity, how many people want to bet that this project, if proposed by a PRIVATE entity on private land in this location, would be DENIED? This is your Tampa government working you over (I mean, working for you).

-If Grand Central doesn't have a tenant yet for the grocery space, here is a chance. That is, if the size meets what Target is looking for

Target to test smaller, urban stores
Thursday, January 21, 2010, 1:43pm EST

Target, with nearly 20 stores in the Baltimore area., may be looking for more urban locations.

The Minneapolis-based discount retail giant outlined growth plans for the next five to 10 years for investors Thursday. Target plans to cut back on opening big new stores, and will instead remodel existing locations and test smaller stores aimed at city dwellers.

Target will invest $1 billion renovating 340 stores this year. Renovations will include expanding grocery offerings and new layouts, including stores in Timonium and White Marsh. But it plans to open fewer than ten new traditional Target stores in 2010, and will assess future expansion of its large-format stores next year, waiting out the economy and real estate slump.

Instead, Target says it will develop a smaller store format, limiting merchandise to what caters to the needs of shoppers in dense urban markets, and in stores that can fit into smaller, inner-city real estate.

It will test the smaller store concept “within the next few years,” Target said.

Target (NYSE: TGT) has about 1,740 stores nationwide. Sales at its stores open at least a year declined 1.6 percent in the third quarter.

http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2010/01/18/daily34.html?surround=lfn

-If Grand Central doesn't have a tenant yet for the grocery space, here is a chance. That is, if the size meets what Target is looking for

Target to test smaller, urban stores
Thursday, January 21, 2010, 1:43pm EST

Target, with nearly 20 stores in the Baltimore area., may be looking for more urban locations.

The Minneapolis-based discount retail giant outlined growth plans for the next five to 10 years for investors Thursday. Target plans to cut back on opening big new stores, and will instead remodel existing locations and test smaller stores aimed at city dwellers.

Target will invest $1 billion renovating 340 stores this year. Renovations will include expanding grocery offerings and new layouts, including stores in Timonium and White Marsh. But it plans to open fewer than ten new traditional Target stores in 2010, and will assess future expansion of its large-format stores next year, waiting out the economy and real estate slump.

Instead, Target says it will develop a smaller store format, limiting merchandise to what caters to the needs of shoppers in dense urban markets, and in stores that can fit into smaller, inner-city real estate.

It will test the smaller store concept “within the next few years,” Target said.

Target (NYSE: TGT) has about 1,740 stores nationwide. Sales at its stores open at least a year declined 1.6 percent in the third quarter.

http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2010/01/18/daily34.html?surround=lfn

And it looks like the Gandy Blvd Target will be among the 340 stores to be remodeled. And it REALLY NEEDS IT!

I just received the Special Use Public Hearing notice for Pour House @ Grand Central's application for a liquor license. It's scheduled for 2/18/10. Looking forward to a new place to hang out in!

This is my week for getting stuff from the city! I was emailed an invitation to participate in a survey about grocery stores in Downtown. It included all the usual stuff about what you need in a store: parking - easy access & direct access from a structured parking area ( Hello Grand Central!), flexible hours, banking, greeting cards, booze, etc. They also asked about my usage of the various stores and why - Publix on Bayshore, Sweetbay in Soho and Whole Foods on DM were all listed on the pull down menus. The last thing they wanted to know was what my first, second and third choices would be for a Downtown/Channelside grocery. Did anyone else get the survey?

Why I shopped at the following:

Publix Bayshore, picking up chicks with actual jobs, age 24-40. Generally closer to the weekend as the level of despiration increased.

Sweetbay (at the time Kn'K) HP, picking up dancers after their afternoon slumber as they shopped (generally in a tank top sans bra and Juicy sweatshorts) around 3pm most weekdays.

Whole Foods generally only attracted either angry vegans or their mothers/grandmothers, therefore I stuck with the first two.

Unfortunately I didn't get the survey, this was just incase they check this site as its the go to place for info on urbanists in the Tampa Bay area or those who have lived there.

greenwise is where all the gay daddies go.

it's hyde park, yknow

I just received the Special Use Public Hearing notice for Pour House @ Grand Central's application for a liquor license. It's scheduled for 2/18/10. Looking forward to a new place to hang out in!
That will be great to see it fill up on the retail/office floors.

I got the survey, too, ChicagoNative. Just finished it yesterday. I'm hoping it's a good sign of things to come (specifically, Grand Central)!

What did you list as preferred choices?

I know you guys are speaking above about the grocery survey, BUT i just have to voice the ugliness of that darn garage, it feels so closed in over by Channelside, and not the good kind of closed in with retail, restaurants, etc....but a darn garage!!! Ugh!

I listed as my preferred choices - 1) Publix, 2) Sweetbay, 3) Greenwise. I do about 95% of my shopping at Bayshore Publix, and I like Publix-brand products. But I'd be happy with Sweetbay as well. (Hell, I'd be happy with just about anything that will be within walking distance!)

I've never used the parking garage at Grand Central since I live about 100 yds away, but I'll take your word for it TampaIAm. I'm not crazy about some parking garages, but don't mind the one at the Dale Mabry Target, for example. They're great in the summer when we're getting torrential downpours.

I've never used the parking garage at Grand Central since I live about 100 yds away, but I'll take your word for it TampaIAm. I'm not crazy about some parking garages, but don't mind the one at the Dale Mabry Target, for example. They're great in the summer when we're getting torrential downpours.

Ooops, i should have specified, im speaking of the new garage under construction on Channelside drive across from Hooters, NYPD Pizza, etc....UGLY!

Saw the garage again today for the first time in a few weeks... OMG, it's much worse than even I thought it would be... Did I tell you people or did I tell you? (not like most regulars here didn't think the same thing) That monstrosity has already DESTROYED the somewhat pleasant street level atmosphere that was down there. It's gone, and it isn't ever coming back.

Saw the garage again today for the first time in a few weeks... OMG, it's much worse than even I thought it would be... Did I tell you people or did I tell you? (not like most regulars here didn't think the same thing) That monstrosity has already DESTROYED the somewhat pleasant street level atmosphere that was down there. It's gone, and it isn't ever coming back.
I always knew it was going to be a disaster once it was planned. From the lack of retail, to the small space, to the fact that it hovers right over the street, not the sidewalk, but the street. Sucks that the city just went with it because it's the Port. Hopefully some development can come along, build a public parking garage, and we can knock down this montrosity. Of course, that makes too much sense which lacks in this city.

Saw the garage again today for the first time in a few weeks... OMG, it's much worse than even I thought it would be... Did I tell you people or did I tell you? (not like most regulars here didn't think the same thing) That monstrosity has already DESTROYED the somewhat pleasant street level atmosphere that was down there. It's gone, and it isn't ever coming back.

it'll be torn down within 20 years -- both of them. the parking will be reconfigured into a repurposed structure, doubtlessly. that land's too prime.

that's terrible and tragic, but good relative to tampa's snail-paced development process.

the tide is too strong against such projects. it's almost inevitable.

it's just tragic that we'll have to look at it for that long. a fucking shame.

I could had lived without development for a while if it meant this was not to be built. It really kills that area IMO.

...it also cuts off the direct walking route from all the residential North of Cumberland to Channelside plaza itself. It's like they didn't even consider the thousand or so people that now live there. Maybe there will be a 'pass through', dunno. Frustrating.

...it also cuts off the direct walking route from all the residential North of Cumberland to Channelside plaza itself. It's like they didn't even consider the thousand or so people that now live there. Maybe there will be a 'pass through', dunno. Frustrating.

there should be one on completion; the plan was reworked to be more "people friendly" some time ago.

when i was visiting in january, i was livid that i couldn't get through the pass from the family home in the meridian to visit my mother, who works in channelside.

^Yeah, you either have to walk around the whole block, or risk life and limb running through the existing PA garage. So classy and people friendly!

I just received the Special Use Public Hearing notice for Pour House @ Grand Central's application for a liquor license. It's scheduled for 2/18/10. Looking forward to a new place to hang out in!

Glad you're as excited as we are. If any of you have time on 2/18, we'd appreciate support at the city council meeting. We've put a lot of effort into this and I'd hate for something to happen where we wouldn't get the zoning approved.

I can't wait to have a beer. :cheers:

^Make sure the paperwork checks out with the city, so that everything is in order before the hearing. Make sure everyone got notified and so on. Basically so long as you did everything you're supposed to do, I really can't conceive of them turning you down, especially in this economy, and knowing that Channelside needs all of the storefronts it can get.


it'll be torn down within 20 years -- both of them. the parking will be reconfigured into a repurposed structure, doubtlessly. that land's too prime.

Highly doubt it. There's too much land to develop before that becomes worth it.

How many parking garages have you seen come down in Tampa anyways?

I would rather see nothing be built on the U/C garage if it was to be torn down, the same feeling I had during the proposal. It's way too small to develop anything even in mid-size range, so why destroy the land? Should had just turned it in to a park, add some trees, build a path to connect both streets, and thats it. Instead, we get this mammoth parking structure that kills the area. Yaaaayyyyy......

^??? There could easily be a midrise condo or hotel there... But it should have been a park, maybe with a cafe over in front of the existing garage.

^Make sure the paperwork checks out with the city, so that everything is in order before the hearing. Make sure everyone got notified and so on. Basically so long as you did everything you're supposed to do, I really can't conceive of them turning you down, especially in this economy, and knowing that Channelside needs all of the storefronts it can get.


We decided early that the zoning paperwork was too much for us to do on our own. We hired a company with lots of experience in this type of application. I've been to one of the zoning meetings and I have complete confidence in our guy. More worried about someone coming to complain about the noise or being too close to their home. It's a possibility. It happened in Hyde Park. We're taking a chance here building out before rezoning occurs. That's why I ask for support in our favor if you have the time.

And just a note of clarification, we're not in Channelside proper, just north of it in Grand Central.

^Yeah, I don't think anyone would really have the desire (or knowhow) to go through the bureaucratic muck on their own... I used to work for one of those companies you hired, doing these wet zones from time to time. Otherwise, I wouldn't have the foggiest clue about them.

Considering that the residents are dying for anything close to Grand Central, I don't see anyone really complaining. Hell, I would expect them jumping for joy to have something that they can go to and socialize, which extremely lacks in the Upper Channelside area.

^Yeah, I don't think anyone would really have the desire (or knowhow) to go through the bureaucratic muck on their own... I used to work for one of those companies you hired, doing these wet zones from time to time. Otherwise, I wouldn't have the foggiest clue about them.

One meeting and I realized this. Plat this and variance that. I'm lost already! Worth every penny if things go smoothly.

So I attended the Channel District Council meeting last night. Here are some of the highlights -

* Confirmed that the proposed Channel grocery store (of the survey mentioned before) would be going into Grand Central.
* Stageworks' theatre construction at Grand Central broke ground last month. Buildout should be done within a few months.
* Washington Street will be undergoing a complete "makeover" from Channelside to Meridian this spring. Included will be new lighting, landscaping, and widened sidewalks.
* The Channel District park will also be starting development late spring at corner of Washington and 12th St.
* There's a company that's looking to build a new sushi restaurant / bar at the corner of 12th and Cumberland, the site of the Starship Yacht offices.
* There will be a ped walk-through in the new parking garage for all the residents North of Cumberland to get to Channelside plaza.

Thanks for taking the time to attend the meeting, I appreciate the updates!

My wife and I are moving back to Tampa after 7 years away in New York and, most recently, Kansas City. KC has gone through a revival similar to what a lot of cities went through, to varying degrees, in the past few years. They swung and missed on a few but one thing they did hit out of the park was the new downtown grocery store. I think a similar concept would work well in Channelside given what I know of it and what I assume to be fairly similar demographics.

This particular store was opened by a local family with several other, more conventional grocery stores throughout the metro but they were built this one with a downtown audience in mind. It's a great looking store that has everything you'd need from a trip to the grocery (paper towels, pasta, veggies, meats and seafood, boxed foods, etc) but really focuses on high quality prepared meals and offers a really good wine/liquor selection. It's good for doing your weekly shopping and it's just as great for stopping in when you don't want to cook or when you need to entertain at home.

Here's a recent article on how the store has prospered, followed by some pictures I borrowed from a similar sight to this one:

http://thepacker.com/New-downtown-Kansas-City-grocery-store-flourishing/Article.aspx?oid=837158&aid=342&fid=PACKER-SPECIAL-SECTIONS

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Looks very similar to Fresh Market here in town, but a bit more prepared meals. Great concept, I think that it would do very well in the DT and especially Channelside areas of town.

Steve

'Exploding Chicken' sculpture to get new home in Tampa
By Janet Zink, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Friday, February 12, 2010

The sculpture will be moved to a spot on Channelside Drive.


TAMPA — The iconic black and yellow sculpture at Kennedy Boulevard and Ashley Drive, known informally as the "Exploding Chicken," is about to fly its coop.

The sculpture is set to be moved from in front of Rivergate Tower to a roundabout north of the Florida Aquarium, creating a striking visual for people arriving in the Channel District from Ybor City or walking from the aquarium parking lot.

"I knew that space was there and it's highly visible and I suggested it because I thought it would be a great place for it," said Bob McDonaugh, the city's manager for economic development downtown and in the Channel District.

The search for a new home for the untitled sculpture, which has occupied the corner for about two decades, began five years ago.

That's when America's Capital Partners bought the building, art included, for $35.5 million.

Six months after the purchase, company officials offered to donate the sculpture by artist George Sugarman to the city, saying it was too big for the space.

City officials began a search for a new roost, considering the Riverwalk and Tampa International Airport.

McDonaugh suggested the chosen spot more than a year ago.

He estimates the cost to move the piece at $150,000, but much of the work is being donated.

"It's just about an all-volunteer effort," McDonaugh said.

Volunteers include steelworker union apprentices; Gulf Marine Repair, which will refurbish the sculpture; and Florida Structural Steel, which will move it.

The exact date of the relocation hinges on getting permission from the Florida Department of Transportation to close Kennedy Boulevard and nearby sidewalks to accommodate a crane.

Robert Willis, project coordinator for Florida Structural Steel, said the sculpture will be moved in pieces.

"It's too big to ship as is," he said.

Willis declined to comment on the sculpture's aesthetics, but did offer this: "I wish Mr. Sugarman would have named it. I don't like the name it's been given — 'The Exploding Chicken.' "

The moniker was popularized by Tampa Tribune columnist Steve Otto.

Henry Lewis, who has worked in the Channel District since 1968 and lived there for six years, welcomes the neighborhood's new arrival.

"It's a fabulous piece of art. It will add to the arts character of the Channel District, which is originally what we were," he said. "And we happen to have zero arts now. All the arts have been taken away."

Tom Wagner, a spokesman for the Florida Aquarium, said the sculpture adds a unique feature to the district.

"That space is pretty empty," he said. "It's nice to add a visual element as you're approaching Channelside from that direction."

Janet Zink can be reached at jzink@sptimes.com or (813) 226-3401.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/exploding-chicken-sculpture-to-get-new-address-in-tampa/1072496

Tampa's Grand Central at Kennedy adds two retail tenants
By Sharon Ginn, Times Correspondent
In Print: Friday, February 12, 2010

A courtyard will link Grand Central’s two buildings and provide outdoor seating for the Pour House bar and future restaurants.

CHANNEL DISTRICT — As it grows into one of the bustling hubs of the Channel District, Grand Central at Kennedy has begun to live up to its name.

The next step: More retail, and a sprawling European-style courtyard that developer Ken Stoltenberg envisions as a neighborhood hangout.

Most of the retail space at the condominium complex at 1208 E Kennedy Blvd. remains empty, but one new business has opened and another is on its way. Be Seen dry cleaning service opened its doors in January and the Pour House, a source for handcrafted beers, likely will open in March.

They join the busy Powerhouse Gym, open since mid 2009 and now boasting more than 3,000 members, and the Stageworks Theatre, which recently began its interior buildout.

Linking it all will be a 12,500-square-foot courtyard between Grand Central's two buildings in a space that until recently was surface parking. The entrances are being closed off and the space will be lined with pavers and dotted with shade trees and seating.

The courtyard will provide outdoor seating space for the Pour House and future restaurants, and serve as space for Stageworks to use during intermissions.

Grand Central now has 100 percent occupancy of its residential units, Stoltenberg said, thanks to a decision a couple of years ago to lease out its unsold condos. But retail tenants have been tougher to come by.

A supermarket and multiple restaurants remain on the wish list, but the Pour House will fill the need for a nighttime hangout. Owners Scott Nietzel and James Vrabel envision something like the corner bars in their hometowns of Chicago and Pittsburgh.

"It's that social network place you can go after work," Vrabel said. "The Channel District … just needs to find its voice. The people I talk to that live in the Channel District don't want to go down to Channelside. They're getting in their car or hopping in the trolley to Ybor or going to midtown. We're really trying to keep our friends in Grand Central happy."

The wet zoning process for the 2,500-square-foot space is not yet complete, but Pour House plans call for beer and wine sales on site plus limited package sales for those who want to grab and go.

Vrabel said the priority is "good quality beer" with 40 beers on tap and over 100 by the bottle, with a focus on small, handcrafted domestic labels. Nietzel, the owner of Wine Design in Channelside Bay Plaza, will add the Pour House's wine component.

The space has no kitchen, but there is room to add one. For now, Vrabel expects to offer a limited selection of munchies. "We're still working that piece out," he said. "It will depend on the customer."

The Pour House will be open daily, and open late, though hours are not yet finalized. Its Web site is pourhousetampa.com.

Be Seen bills itself as "dry cleaning for the VIP." Owners Terry and Dolly Riney have extensive corporate and sales experience and decided to open a business of their own. The Channel District needed a dry cleaning location, Terry Riney said, and their son lives at Grand Central.

"We both love to meet people," he said. "We're servers of everybody we ever meet. We love to entertain, we love dogs. (We said) let's open a business where we can meet people every day and give them courtesy service that we would like to have."

Dolly Riney, an interior designer, focused on creating an upscale, urban look. The Rineys keep coffee, espresso and dog biscuits on hand for customers. The dogs have already learned to stop by for a treat. "Owners walk by and can't finish their walk until they come into our store," Terry Riney said.

Be Seen's dry cleaning is "100 percent green," he said. One-day service is available, and there are plans for a daily pickup and delivery service. Hours are 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. Monday through Friday and 9 to 2 on Saturday. Be Seen is marking its grand opening this month with 20 percent off all dry cleaning.

One or more restaurants likely will be the next to move in, said Stoltenberg, who said he is in talks with several interested parties. He envisions Grand Central as the anchor of the neighborhood and remains committed to bringing a grocery store to the complex.

"We are going to get a supermarket at Grand Central sooner rather than later," he said. "We understand how important that is."

Do you know something that should be everybody's business? Call 226-3394 or e-mail sharonlginn@yahoo.com.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/retail/tampas-grand-central-at-kennedy-adds-two-retail-tenants/1072279

100% occupancy has to be bull. I haven't been in the building for a while, but I have never heard the words "full" used in reference to GS.

It's great to know that in the next coming months we could be hearing about more spaces being filled up by restaurants. The Pour House will certainly start bringing more people from Channelside Plaza up to the area, which is well needed.

100% occupancy has to be bull. I haven't been in the building for a while, but I have never heard the words "full" used in reference to GS.

Is not a fair portion used as a executive condo rental space? That could account easily towards the occupancy rate. Even so 100% seems high.

Steve

Is not a fair portion used as a executive condo rental space? That could account easily towards the occupancy rate. Even so 100% seems high.

Steve

That could be it. They may just say all the empty units are executive space or for sale. If you decide to lease out 100 units and do so, that's 100% even if there are 200 other units empty.

Crossing my fingers though that they're in talks with Kres Chophouse from Orlando to expand over here. One of my favorite places for steak.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/feb/16/condo-owners-tired-channelside-noise/news-metro/

TAMPA - Paul Levine owns a million-dollar Channelside condominium with million dollar views of the city and the harbor.

Now Levine would like to get a good night's sleep.

Although Levine's Towers of Channelside condo is 27 stories above the waterfront entertainment center below, noisy crowds from Thursdays through Saturdays make 3 a.m. wakeup calls a weekly event.

"Sound travels up," said Levine, who has decided to spend $40,000 to replace the windows in his condo with higher grade glass to avoid the noise.

Levine took his laments, along with those of a committee of residents of the Towers of Channelside, to the monthly meeting Tuesday of the Tampa Port Authority, which leases the land for the Channelside Bay Plaza to a management group that subleases buildings to a variety of business tenants.

"We will continue to work with your committee," said Tampa Mayor Pam Iorio, who also is a member of the port authority's board. "We are aware of the issues and they are not easy to resolve."

The city has a noise ordinance, but police on weekend nights are spread between Ybor City and Channelside. Iorio said she would alert Police Chief Jane Castor to the latest complaints.

Iorio added that she wished, like others including some retail tenants at Channelside, that the complex had more shops and restaurants.

"All it takes is one or two unresponsive (entertainment) owners," Iorio said.

Levine suggested that police monitor drivers leaving the complex late at night.

"I don't see many of them taking taxis home," Levine said of partiers who might be spending a night drinking.

The port authority last week sued to break its lease with the complex's management company, Channelside Bay Mall LLC, over various issues including poor upkeep and more than $330,000 in unpaid rent.

Port authority counsel Charles Klug said Tuesday he has not heard from Channelside Bay Mall's attorneys.

I can sympathize to a point....but if you live in the middle of the city, and across the street from a major party venue for the metro area, it seems to me it should be expected.

Steve

And it's not like Channelside Plaza just popped up, it was there before Towers of Channelside. He and the rest should had been aware of the entertainment plaza and asked before how bad the noise was before buying a unit. And I agree with tampasteve, you bought a unit in a middle of a city, what else can you expect?

Rays new baseball stadium in Channelside - good idea or bad idea?

And it's not like Channelside Plaza just popped up, it was there before Towers of Channelside. He and the rest should had been aware of the entertainment plaza and asked before how bad the noise was before buying a unit. And I agree with tampasteve, you bought a unit in a middle of a city, what else can you expect?

Im not sure how this Levine guy intended oin living in the city in a highrise and not hear any noise???? Why live in the city?

Rays new baseball stadium in Channelside - good idea or bad idea?

Im all for a stadium downtown Tampa, Channelside or just to the west of Ybor City(north of Channelside, between Nebraska Ave and Nick Nuccio Prkwy). Just seems to make the most sense to attract and be centrally located for Polk, Pasco, Hillsborough, Pinellas, Manatee counties which includes a walkable/streetcar availability to entertainment districts(Ybor/Channelside/Downtown Tampa), and proximity to High Speed Rail from Orlando and Lakeland regional areas in 2015.

What an idiot.. How can you complain about noise when you buy a place right next to a complex with bars and night clubs and a port. Sometimes I feel there is no hope for this metro.

Im not sure how this Levine guy intended oin living in the city in a highrise and not hear any noise???? Why live in the city?
Well, he said he bought the unit in 2004 and it wasn't like this back then. True, because it was worse back then with more bars and clubs than there is now. It's pretty much like buying a house near train tracks and complaining about the noise from trains. I bet he's overplaying the situation in the first place, people out every night at 3 am in TAMPA? Please lol

If this is the same guy I think it is, he was also complaining about how much the Streetcar drivers were "tooting" their horns and clanging the bells at the last CDC meeting. Well, sir, that's to warn all the pedestrians and Channelside-goers to get off the tracks so they don't get run over.

There are certainly legitimate complaints about clubs that play their music above city ordinance limits, but this guy doesn't seem to want ANY noise...right across from an entertainment complex, on the streetcar line, next to the cruiseship terminal, down the street from the Forum, and in the middle of the city.

Not a wise investment on his part, apparently.

The article also stated that this guy spent $40k to replace the windows. Man, it sure must be nice to have this amount of money at your disposal to spend on something as simple as replacing windows. :ohno:

I can sympathize to a point....but if you live in the middle of the city, and across the street from a major party venue for the metro area, it seems to me it should be expected.

Steve
He's the moron who bought a property downtown, directly across the street from an active port and a tourist entertainment destination. He obviously made no consideration whatsoever as to how that property would suit his own lifestyle. My guess is he myopically saw a quick and easy profit, and is now stuck living there for years, because he's upside down on the place.

I have no sympathy whatsoever and strongly urge this guy to cut his losses and move some place nice and quiet, like Fargo, ND. We don't need people like this in the city who think their needs are greater than the needs of everyone else.

Quick question, could we get a new Channelside thread? Since Spring Cleaning is coming up, be nice to start off with a fresh thread without 1,800+ posts to go through.

^^ these dump-all threads become annoying too. Especially if a big story gets lost in here*.

* generally speaking for dump threads, including this one.

Well, we had our rezoning meeting on Thursday and surprisingly there were no issues. With all the bad press the Channel District was getting, we thought there would be questions about noise, etc. Nothing. Even one of the council members said they were happy to see some businesses move into the district. That obviously made me happy. Seems like they understand that something is needed down there. We're happy to help.

Getting closer now. Mid March opening. Right around the corner. :cheers:

That's great news, welcome to Channelside! :)

Well, we had our rezoning meeting on Thursday and surprisingly there were no issues. With all the bad press the Channel District was getting, we thought there would be questions about noise, etc. Nothing. Even one of the council members said they were happy to see some businesses move into the district. That obviously made me happy. Seems like they understand that something is needed down there. We're happy to help.

Getting closer now. Mid March opening. Right around the corner. :cheers:

Cant wait, and it was Linda Saul-Sena that was happy to see you all open. Will you be able to drink a pint in the adjacent Courtyard?? Or will it be strictly on premises inside only(I watched the Council meeting and saw there was you had no outdoor seating).

I thought I saw a article stating they or the owner of Grand Central were going to redevelop the middle part to allow for outdoor seating for the Pour House and whatever restaurant ends up there.

Cant wait, and it was Linda Saul-Sena that was happy to see you all open. Will you be able to drink a pint in the adjacent Courtyard?? Or will it be strictly on premises inside only(I watched the Council meeting and saw there was you had no outdoor seating).

Thanks for filling in the blank on which council member. I owe her a beer. She made my day.

And yes, our license is for the interior only. Subject to change once the courtyard is built of course.

^She's more of a red wine type of woman. ;)

^She's more of a red wine type of woman. ;)

Red wine it is!

The next Channelside CRA Meeting is this Wednesday at 5:30 pm. They will be updating the status of the Channelside park and any construction updates and will also be talking about the Pour House. I would go, but I'll be turning 20 that day so I'll be out on the town that night. I'll try to get to the next meeting because some people need to ask on the statuses of some proposals in Channelside.

The next Channelside CRA Meeting is this Wednesday at 5:30 pm. ...will also be talking about the Pour House.

Waaa? First I heard about it. Bummer that it's in 45 minutes and I'm at least an hour and a half away.

Waaa? First I heard about it. Bummer that it's in 45 minutes and I'm at least an hour and a half away.
Damn, thought they would had contacted you about it and see if you were interested in speaking or something. Well, if Linda Saul-Sena is there I'll bet she puts in a couple good words for you.

Damn, thought they would had contacted you about it and see if you were interested in speaking or something. Well, if Linda Saul-Sena is there I'll bet she puts in a couple good words for you.

Yeah. Wish I would have known. I still have a day job so need to schedule this stuff in advance.

Just walked down to Channelside, and the Seaboard Square property has new "For Sale" signs around it -- looks like Hotel Indigo and the rest might be dead.

By the way, I feel for ILoveHops -- we're psyched here for PourHouse, but due to the total ineptness of TECO, they're delayed. Just wrote Linda Saul-Sena (I know we've all had disagreements with her in the past, but she *does* care the most about our neighborhood -- I sincerely believe that). Here's my correspondence (by the way, did you know that I can cut off your power simply by giving your name and address?):

Hi Linda -

First, as a 3-year resident of Channelside, I want to commend you for strong support of our neighborhood –– I'm only emailing you, as I do believe that you hope that our emerging neighborhood will become one of Tampa's "shining lights". We're feeling great down here about all of the positive things that are now happening.

I've only written one time before in my seven years as a Tampa resident (when the electric golf carts were prohibited, due to the taxi protests), but feel strongly that I need to inform you about the monopoly of Tampa Electric (TECO) and their recent actions. First, a personal experience. While overseas for three weeks, I discovered that my power had been cut off –– I only discovered this when a neighbor, who had been watching my place, called me. The next day (due to the offices being closed when I found out), I called TECO and spoke to some of the most unfriendly people –– and discovered that *anyone* can cut off your power simply by giving an address. I had received no notice, I'm the only one living at my place, and my payment had been current. They killed my 7-year-old parrotfish, who were without oxygen for two days before the power came back on. Ashley (the obnoxious "repesentative" I first spoke to) and Miranda (the manager) were the people I dealt with, and correspondence with TECO has gone unnoticed. Miranda stated that Mainsail Suites had requested a transfer to their organization of my condominium (I have no idea why they did this, or why Mailsail Suites is even mentioned at Grand Central) then requested disconnection –– with all of this, I had no notification. Grand Central at Kennedy's condo management also has contacted TECO and has received arrogant/insufficient responses on why this happened –– in fact, the same thing happened the same day to Powerhouse Gym, our first large business who lost power suddenly that same day for something very similar.

TECO refuses to respond. I had ignored this until now. Now, Pourhouse at Grand Central –– our first new "establishment" –– is almost ready to open, but I just found out from them that TECO has now taken *six* days to install a new meter, even though electrical power is ready to go. They can't do anything else (health inspections, liquor licenses, etc.) until they get the meter. Their conversations with TECO go to deaf ears as well.

There are monopolies everywhere –– but TECO is absolutely the worst corporate representative of Tampa. I have other examples and documentation of my event, but don't want to ramble too long. If there is anything that you can do as a representative of the city, I would appreciate it.

^I think it's a good thing that squatty hotel is dead. Channelside would be an apropriate area to have the 5 star hotel for the region and it would really be a boon to the area.

Yeah, definitely a good thing that the hotel didn't happen. And I'll put this out there just in case anyone from the hotel chain reads this, this doesn't mean that we don't want you here. I can't speak for theo others, but IMO the project was way too small for the location. Hotel Indigo does have some nice larger hotels though and even though I wouldn't suggest them in the same location, a Westshore location would fit perfectly.

Something like this is what I'm talking about:

http://www.944.com/articles/images/whats-new-hotel-indigo-san-diego-950-island-avenue-downtown-san-diego.jpg

March 17th at 5:30 pm, the City Council will be having a public meeting to discuss and present the final conceptional plan for the Channelside park on the corner of 12th and Washington. The meeting will be held in the Board Room of the Tampa Port Authority offices, located at 1101 Channelside Drive.

I've recieved a email from Indigo Hotel and they stated that the develop is still moving forward with the hotel and they have yet heard about any changes to the hotel. So Indigo Hotel might still be a go afterall, which ummm....kinda sucks.

Great update, maybe these would be better off in the Hotel Indigo thread though? I was wondering what was happening with that project! :)

Steve

By the way, I feel for ILoveHops -- we're psyched here for PourHouse, but due to the total ineptness of TECO, they're delayed.

Haven't checked in here in a while. Things have been hectic as you can imagine. Thanks for writing this e-mail. It must have lit a fire under someone because the Monday morning after you wrote this, we suddenly had power.

Now we wait for another hurdle. ABT won't see us unless we have an appointment. As soon as we got power last Monday (March 8), we called. Next appointment? March 17th. :bash:

So if all goes well, we hope to be open by Saturday. No promises though. Thanks all for your support.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/content/news/local/hillsborough/west/tampa/story/Park-plans-in-Channelside-moving-forward/FEXheq1iUU6oiksffqEuCA.cspx

TAMPA, FL -- Plans for a park in Tampa's Channelside district are moving forward.

The park, which is in the design stage now, will be built at the corner of 12th and Washington streets. The city has signed on to the plan and will spend several hundred thousand dollars to build the green space. The half-acre site sits among several condominium developments in the Channelside district.

The city will be holding a public meeting at 5:30 p.m. on Wednesday, March 17th, 2010 to present the final conceptual plan for the new park.

Planners hope to begin construction on the park by the summer of 2010, and say it could be open to the public by the end of this year.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/media/lib/89/e/a/9/ea9dbe8f-d576-4ad7-bb5e-6f78bca72ec5/Original.jpg

Bigger ship could cruise from Tampa, port chief says

TAMPA - One of the three cruise lines serving the Port of Tampa could announce plans to use a bigger ship on a current Tampa itinerary, port director Richard Wainio Tuesday.

Wainio did not identify the cruise line but said he planned to visit five companies in Miami beginning Tuesday to discuss business prospects, including wrapping up details with Norwegian Cruise Line, which will be the port's fourth cruise line.

Norwegian will home-port the 2,240 passenger Norwegian Star in Tampa for the 2011-12 season.

Carnival, Holland America and Royal Caribbean International provide cruises from the Port of Tampa.

Wainio has been on target with public predictions of recruiting new service to Tampa, including Norwegian and the launching of direct container shipping service from the Far East.
Cruise lines cannot bring to Tampa the biggest of their new cruise ships, which are limited by the height of the Sunshine Skyway at the channel entry leading to the port.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/mar/17/sp-bigger-ship-could-cruise-from-tampa-port-chief-/news-money/

sweet another pocket park! Just what the community needed.
I guess its something... Better than a parking garage.

I see Tampa getting more cruise liners once HSR is complete. I just hope tourists spend some time in Tampa before hopping on the Tourist Mover to Disney.

sweet another pocket park! Just what the community needed.

Actually, it IS just we need in Channelside, at least as a start. There is very little green space right now, and no parks at all. With all the dogs in the Channel District, having a decent dog park will be a welcomed sight.

There are other small parks planned for the district, but this one will be the largest of those on the drawing boards, to my knowledge.

I'm just saying they should have atleast one large park to serve as a gather point for the community.
The pocket parks do not have the same affect as a large park. Course they built a parking garage on the best lot for it.

This is a decent location. I still think it should be bigger than a half acre.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/JosefBrisko37/channelside.jpg?t=1268940354
I know the city is broke or whatever but imagine how much better a larger park would be in this location. The Yellow represents residences, the Blue Commercial.
The lighter green is a warehouse that could be demolished to expand the park.

Either that block or the block north of it are the best spots to serve the residential community being so central to the neighborhood.

I say leave the corners of 12th and Washington for a residential project/two seperate residential projects and do expand west towards 14th. Be nice to have a courtyard feature in the middle of Channelside to have the outdoor ability to eat even if Grand Central will have the same thing shortly.

I have no problem with the park size. What I would love to see would be Meridian being beefed up to be more park like, more benches, maybe a few water features, etc to create a large linear park in the area, it is already 75% there for that use.

Steve

I have no problem with the park size. What I would love to see would be Meridian being beefed up to be more park like, more benches, maybe a few water features, etc to create a large linear park in the area, it is already 75% there for that use.

Steve


yeah, although meridian is far too big for what it is (it's overbuilt, and always will be), it's somewhat it's a somewhat fortunate break in that it is... in the future, the road may be redesigned to really maximize the potential of a linear park there. Take out at least two lanes in each direction and shrink the remaining, and with a realignment you could have a sizable public right of way to play with.

yeah, although meridian is far too big for what it is (it's overbuilt, and always will be), it's somewhat it's a somewhat fortunate break in that it is... in the future, the road may be redesigned to really maximize the potential of a linear park there. Take out at least two lanes in each direction and shrink the remaining, and with a realignment you could have a sizable public right of way to play with.
Never will happen with Harbour Island and it's residents existing. Many of the residents use Beneficial Drive which later turns to Meridian after Channelside Dr., even some that live on the western side of the island use Beneficial instead of Harbour Island Blvd. because it's easier to get out from there.

Funny that if the rail lines weren't there, Meridian could easily had been redesigned to be a perfectly straight line from Cumberland Ave. to Kennedy Blvd. Slade would only be the one affected by this if done so before anything else starts construction along the stretch. I don't know how many retail spaces exist on Meridian, I believe around 6, so it might be a problem with Slade but the only thing that would be a "problem" would be a wider sidewalk for them storefronts.

Wanted to let everyone here know that Pour House at Grand Central opened last Saturday at 1PM. We're open every day. M-W 4-12, Thurs 4-1, Fri 3-3, Sat 1-3 and Sun 1-12. Saturday was crazy busy. Sunday was more mellow but still busy throughout the day. Heck, even Monday night was busy. I hope this shows others that we need more places to congregate in the Channel. I'm very happy we've opened here and really believe in the community.

Stop by for a beer sometime and introduce yourself. My name is James. My wife is Susan. We're around most nights. Cheers. :cheers:

Congrats!

Wanted to let everyone here know that Pour House at Grand Central opened last Saturday at 1PM. :cheers:

Great to hear, good luck!:cheers:

Steve

Never will happen with Harbour Island and it's residents existing. Many of the residents use Beneficial Drive which later turns to Meridian after Channelside Dr., even some that live on the western side of the island use Beneficial instead of Harbour Island Blvd. because it's easier to get out from there.



I disagree. When I'm not studying urban design, I live seasonally very near Beneficial/Meridian and Channelside and walk it several times daily. It's mathematically feasible to demonstrate that Meridian is over-built; often, that beats even the narrow self-interests of the uppermost bourgeiouse on HI. Never say never - in the long-term, it's probably going to be necessary to redesign the road, regardless. My bet is that those lanes get smaller before they get larger.

Wanted to let everyone here know that Pour House at Grand Central opened last Saturday at 1PM. We're open every day. M-W 4-12, Thurs 4-1, Fri 3-3, Sat 1-3 and Sun 1-12. Saturday was crazy busy. Sunday was more mellow but still busy throughout the day. Heck, even Monday night was busy. I hope this shows others that we need more places to congregate in the Channel. I'm very happy we've opened here and really believe in the community.

Stop by for a beer sometime and introduce yourself. My name is James. My wife is Susan. We're around most nights. Cheers. :cheers:

Huge congratulations! I can't wait to see it. Best of wishes in these tough early months!

It opened already? Damn this year is flying by!

I'll definitely have to pop in and check it out sometime soon... Maybe this weekend!

I'll visit in about a year lol, best of luck with your business!

I stopped in tonight and said hi to James. Great place. Pool table, couches, 40 taps, etc. I'll be back soon.

Below is a link to a "partial" article in the "Tampa Bay Business Journal". For some reason I was able to access the entire article from my phone, but I can't on my computer. If anyone has the entire article, please post it. One of the interesting things it said in the full article was concerning Grand Central. It said that if Grand Central did get a grocery story, the developers would build an "elevator system" similar to other urban grocery stores (i.e. Greenwise in Hyde Park). Finally, it makes sense how Grand Central could cater to the "parking needs" of patrons who don't live in the building. (The 40+ outdoor spots aren't enough, in my opinion.)



http://tampabay.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2010/03/29/story1.html

Friday, March 26, 2010
Counting on food to spark Channel DistrictHope is that others would follow grocer
Tampa Bay Business Journal - by Janet Leiser Staff Writer
Media


TAMPA — Talk in the commercial real estate community is that downtown Tampa might get its first grocery store by year’s end. But which grocer and where is uncertain.

Downtown appears to have reached the tipping point with as many as 3,000 people living in condos, mostly in Channelside, and another 7,000 on nearby Harbour Island. Another 50,000 daytime workers can be added to the population according to figures released this month by the Tampa Downtown Partnership.

“There is unmet demand for a grocery store in downtown Tampa,” said Patrick Berman, senior director of retail at Cushman & Wakefield of Florida Inc. in Tampa. “We need a downtown east location, near the Florida Aquarium and cruise terminals.”

“I think it’s the most important thing to happen downtown this decade,” said Ken Stoltenberg, director of Mercury Advisors, which developed Grand Central at Kennedy, a mixed-used project that is wooing what it hopes will be downtown’s first grocery store. “I think it’s critical for downtown to take the next step forward,” Stoltenberg said.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=128549&catid=8

Channelside condos starting to attract buyers

Tampa, Florida -- Condo developers in the
Channelside district are starting to see an uptick in
condo sales, and that's good news for the local
housing market.

Nelson Tobin is about to close on a condo in
Channelside. He's been in the market for over a year
but couldn't find financing.

"To come up with 80-90 of 100 percent down, which
is basically what was going to happen here... it wasn't
going to happen for me," said Tobin.

Financing wasn't happening for many buyers; lenders
considered financing the condo project a big risk.

"They were considered non-warrantable condos, and
that's because they didn't have enough owner
occupancy," said Rae Catanese, a local realtor.

When the housing market crashed, it made it
extremely difficult for potential buyers to get financing
and that led to a glut of condos in the Channelside
district being vacant, but recently lenders have jumped
back in the game and are financing several condo
projects in the area and the buyers have returned.

"Now, I find that they do have financing and I'm
psyched about it, because this is where I want to live,"
Tobin said.

Apparently, so do many others. Real estate say they
have seen an increase in prospective buyers.

"I'm showing property everyday during the week
because there are a lot of people from out of town
looking and we have events that bring in a lot of
people," Catanese said.

Another reason the people have returned? Lower
prices. Listing prices on Channelside condos have
dropped nearly fifty percent.

Sales are going so well at one of the condominiums,
even though it hasn't even announced its grand
opening, it already has sixteen contracts in hand.

Some potential buyers previously may have tried to flip
the condos to make a profit, but would have lost
money during the downturn.

Melvin Beal, 10 Connects

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=128549&catid=8
Sales are going so well at one of the condominiums,
even though it hasn't even announced its grand
opening, it already has sixteen contracts in hand.


Wonder who that is? There aren't any new or recently finished projects in Channelside... The Slade is the only one I can think of, but that has been done for a while.

It would only make sense that they're talking about a project that has yet to start construction. But still, who?

There are no new condo projects in sales in the Channel District.

The wording on the Channel 10 report is ambiguous, but I would guess they are talking about the second building of The Slade. It's the only new(ish) condo project in the area, and not many residents live in the Southern building yet.

Hello,
I read the recent posts related to the news story that 10 connects interviewed me for.
The condo building that has 16 contract is the Towers of Channelside.
You are correct, there are no brand new buildings, however the units have never been lived in.
There had been no financing available until just a few weeks ago.
Here's the article I wrote indicating which developments are now offering financing.

http://thetamparealestateinsider.com/condos-lofts/lenders-financing-condo-developments-in-channelside-tampa/

Thanks all! Business has been really steady for the first couple of weeks (we're in day 13, not that I'm counting). Thanks to all who've come in. Please tell a friend because we're working on word of mouth now. It's been encouraging since there are a lot of people that don't live locally. Either work in downtown and live in Brandon or work in Ybor and live in South Tampa. Eventually, they're going to cross our path.

We're working on quieting it down a little (although it's a bar so it's supposed to be noisy right?). We wanted it to have a loft feel but too many solid surfaces causes an echo. Hope to get it resolved soon.

Look for an ad from Grand Central featuring the Pour House in the upcoming South Tampa Magazine. Should be out next Friday I'm told.

Cheers.

Hello,
I read the recent posts related to the news story that 10 connects interviewed me for.
The condo building that has 16 contract is the Towers of Channelside.
You are correct, there are no brand new buildings, however the units have never been lived in.
There had been no financing available until just a few weeks ago.
Here's the article I wrote indicating which developments are now offering financing.

http://thetamparealestateinsider.com/condos-lofts/lenders-financing-condo-developments-in-channelside-tampa/

Thanks for the update! What are the units in Ventana going for now?

Steve

Thanks all! Business has been really steady for the first couple of weeks (we're in day 13, not that I'm counting). Thanks to all who've come in. Please tell a friend because we're working on word of mouth now. It's been encouraging since there are a lot of people that don't live locally. Either work in downtown and live in Brandon or work in Ybor and live in South Tampa. Eventually, they're going to cross our path.

We're working on quieting it down a little (although it's a bar so it's supposed to be noisy right?). We wanted it to have a loft feel but too many solid surfaces causes an echo. Hope to get it resolved soon.

Look for an ad from Grand Central featuring the Pour House in the upcoming South Tampa Magazine. Should be out next Friday I'm told.

Cheers.

I was in there last night for a short while... Had intended to meet a friend there, but I was over 30 minutes late, so she had already left and I had to catch up with her at home. lol

Place was surprisingly busy for a Thursday night. I liked everything about it but the beard on the bartender. He looked sort of homeless and out of place in there... lol

and yes, it was very noisy... There are a variety of solutions for a such a problem. The easiest would probably be to hang some ceiling art and put up some fabric accent art on the walls. Blinds on the windows would also make a noticeable difference. (anything that creates new surfaces that are either sound absorbing (like fabric wallpaper, banners/flags, wall hung tapestries), or with shapes that trap sound and absorb its energy. (like venetian blinds, or canvas verticals)

Thanks for the update! What are the units in Ventana going for now?

Steve
Ventana Condos are starting in the low 200's. Let me know if you'd like to take a look at some. Thanks! Rae

This Wednesday is Channelside's CRA meeting. Also, they will talk about the Channelside Park and update on the Port Authority parking garage. Maybe someone has some "inside" info on this development. Meeting starts at 6:30 instead of the normal 5:30 start time.

http://www.tampasdowntown.com/learn/monday-morning-memo.aspx

EDIT-Read the paragraph wrong and thought it said construction on the land of Washington/York St. and not on the streets theirselves.

I was in there last night for a short while... Had intended to meet a friend there, but I was over 30 minutes late, so she had already left and I had to catch up with her at home. lol

Place was surprisingly busy for a Thursday night. I liked everything about it but the beard on the bartender. He looked sort of homeless and out of place in there... lol

and yes, it was very noisy... There are a variety of solutions for a such a problem. The easiest would probably be to hang some ceiling art and put up some fabric accent art on the walls. Blinds on the windows would also make a noticeable difference. (anything that creates new surfaces that are either sound absorbing (like fabric wallpaper, banners/flags, wall hung tapestries), or with shapes that trap sound and absorb its energy. (like venetian blinds, or canvas verticals)

Awwww. Troy's a nice guy and he really knows his beer. :)

We're working on the noise. Have someone from a local acoustics company coming in today. We're also talking with local artists to allow them to hang pieces on our walls. Helps everyone since it makes our place look great and gets their name out there. We will soften it soon.

If you haven't been around Grand Central lately, they've shut down 11th between the buildings. Working on a new courtyard for the Pour House and any other business that may be coming soon. Hearing a lot more rumblings about a bar/restaurant opening on the Meridian side of the west building.

Pour House is really doing well. We've enlisted the help of Acousti to quiet the place down. Hoping to have all that work and the patio complete in the next couple of weeks.

Cheers! :cheers:

Pour House is great, and really busy already! I'm not even a beer person, but with the selections and knowledge that they have, I'm learning to like beer a bit better.

They're putting down the tiles already for the courtyard (started this process this morning), so it could be finished soon. Also, the grumblings about the grocery store are still going on -- apparently, they were impressed with the grocery store survey and now say they want to be in "by the holidays".

Any idea what is going on with The Martin property? Since Tuesday, there has been a bulldozer tearing down the dirt piles and just moving stuff around. Also, there are "No Parking" signs around the property now. Hopefully something is starting up there.

Can anyone get down to the area and take photos of the Martin property and the Pour House. There is one in Boston, and if it is anything like it, it is going to be a big success.

Here's there Facebook page (which I am a fan of!) It has a pics in there if interested.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/PourHouseTampa

For The Martin, can't really tell. They could either be getting ready to start construction, which I wouldn't rule out, or be doing what they did with the Franklin/Channelside corner and be clearing it for parking.

We're working on the noise. Have someone from a local acoustics company coming in today. We're also talking with local artists to allow them to hang pieces on our walls. Helps everyone since it makes our place look great and gets their name out there. We will soften it soon.
Whatever they charged you, I could have given you almost identical advice for some free beer. lol

Acoustics has been a special interest of mine ever since my first 'real job' was spent designing higher end sound systems for car enthusiasts (where acoustics are far and away the #1 roadblock to great sound). When I later went to school for architecture, I was waaay ahead of the curve. :)

Pourhouse is great, and keeps getting better. The art is a great addition. Much more laidback than the Taps? beer bar in skypoint. Have yet to try out the dartboard, but I will soon. Been there twice this month and plan to keep it on my list.

Plus, now we have a place to have a forum meet, if the folks who post here ever get the courage to actually meet. lol

Plus, now we have a place to have a forum meet, if the folks who post here ever get the courage to actually meet. lol
Only a year to go for me until I can properly use Pour House. :lol:

I think the same goes for I-275.

Looks like the Irish Pub, slated to open in February at Channelside, isn't coming after all, according to the people at Splitsville. Don't know if it was because of the economy or issues with the landlord/city/port.

Also, it looks like the work going on at The Martin site is to establish a metered parking lot. Makes sense for the time being ...

Whatever they charged you, I could have given you almost identical advice for some free beer. lol


Now you tell me! :lol:

The clearning just north of us is for a gated parking lot. Not sure what the rates will be but hopefully they'll keep 2 hours free, just like the GC garage. The no parking signs on the street are to change on street parking from parallel to angled parking. Will allow a lot more parking spots.

Thanks for the kind words on our place. I'm loving the art we put up. Trying to support local artists. If you know anyone that wants to display, let me know. We've still got a lot of wall space. Contact me at james@pourhousetampa.com

Photos can be found on Facebook via our website. You don't have to have an account on Facebook to view the photos. Need to take more now that the art is up.
http://www.pourhousetampa.com/Photos.html

Looks like the Irish Pub, slated to open in February at Channelside, isn't coming after all, according to the people at Splitsville. Don't know if it was because of the economy or issues with the landlord/city/port.


I heard that the cost of buildout killed that project. My GC quoted a vent hood and it was 4-5 times the cost of a "normal" hood. It's just a bad spot. Plus it really wasn't that big of a space was it? Seemed like an odd idea from the beginning.

ILoveHops, looks like the "rumblings" are now official -- apparently, the sports bar/restaurant became official this week, and (walking back from Powerhouse this afternoon) they've started preliminary construction on that huge site left on the corner of Meridian and Madison.

It's getting better and better on this side of Channelside ...

Bank files to foreclose on Channelside mall
By MICHAEL SASSO | The Tampa Tribune

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/apr/20/201827/bank-files-foreclose-channelside-mall/news-money

First, the Tampa Port Authority sued to terminate the lease of Channelside Bay Plaza's owner.

Now, an Irish bank is foreclosing on the property, which could put Channelside in the hands of a court-appointed receiver.

The filing caps a 10-year history of fits and starts at the downtown retail and entertainment complex. It was expected to be a shining attraction capitalizing on Tampa's growing cruise ship business.

But, over the years it has suffered from in-fighting among stores and restaurants, parking troubles and high turnover among tenants.

It's not clear what this will mean for downtown Tampa or for fans of the center. In the short run, the foreclosure shouldn't impact Channelside's existing shops and restaurants, which will remain open.

In the long run, if the bank is successful in taking back Channelside from its owner, it likely would try to sell it to another developer or real estate investor. That could be good or bad depending on how a new owner treats the complex.

According to circuit court documents recently filed in Hillsborough County, Anglo Irish Bank of Dublin has filed a foreclosure lawsuit against Channelside Bay Mall LLC. That is the business entity that owns the Channelside shopping complex. It is controlled by the real estate investment firm Ashkenazy Acquisition Corp. of New York.

According to the foreclosure suit, Channelside Bay Mall LLC is behind on its rent payments and owes the bank around $27 million. In early June, a judge will decide whether to place Channelside in the care of a receiver, who might oversee the property as the foreclosure case goes through the court system.

One major tenant at Channelside, Millennium Management Group, doesn't expect much immediate impact from the foreclosure action.

"Whatever happens, we have our leases, so we're secure there," said Guy Revelle, an executive with Millennium Management Group, which owns Splitsville, Stump's Supper Club, Howl at the Moon and Tinatapa's.

However, Revelle said the foreclosure could be positive news. In the past, Revelle's company has fought with mall owner Ashkenazy Acquisition Corp. over rent and other issues.

"All I want is for someone who cares about Tampa to buy it," Revelle said.

Attorneys for Ashkenazy Acquisition Corp. and Anglo Irish Bank were not immediately available for comment Tuesday.

Overall, Channelside has had a very rocky history since it opened in 2000. Ashkenazy Acquisition has owned the center since 2005.

Channelside has had nonstop problems with parking, and the mall's owner and its tenants have fought over the complex's direction. Its second floor until recently was dominated by nightclubs such as Banana Joe's Island Party and Sling Shots. Some tenants felt these nightclubs didn't fit with Channelside's family-friendly theme.

Last year, four second-floor clubs and restaurants were evicted for failing to pay rent: Banana Joe's, Margarita Mama's, the Velvet Room and Lucky's.

The new foreclosure filing could complicate the legal troubles that Channelside already has.

The Tampa Port Authority owns the ground that the entertainment center sits on and leases it to Ashkenazy Acquisition Corp. Two months ago, the port authority sued Ashkenazy Acquisition for failing to make more than $300,000 in payments to the port authority and, generally, for allowing the center's appearance to deteriorate.

The port authority filed its lawsuit to terminate Ashkenazy Acquisition's ground lease, said David Hendrix, the port authority's lawyer.

Two stories on two sides of Channelside, funny how it was the opposite 6 years ago when South Channelside was waaay better off than North Channelside.

As I expected, the Martin site is being turned into parking spaces. Great news for many of the establishments in Grand Central, including Pour House. Did/does the Martin project have any public parking proposed for their parking garages? If it means making the project 2 stories taller to add on a good amount of parking space for customers in that area, DO IT! Both for the extra parking and a taller building.

I won't be surprise if Grand Central announces a grocery chain this summer really. Just putting that out there. ;)

And now the rumblings are that the whole parcel between Kennedy and Washington and 11th and 12th has been purchased -- its where Amazon Tire and Rubber is located, along with other businesses. I find this hard to believe, though maybe some of the empty parcels have been purchased (like the Amazon building and the empty surrounding properties). There are still the gay bathhouse, the engineering offices on 11th, and the dance building on 12th (I don't know if that's still functioning as a dance studio, but I do know people live there) that would have had to sell as well.

Very early rumor is that the purchaser wants to turn this into a "San Francisco-style market space" -- I have no idea what this means. Again, very early rumor -- I'd give it a 10% shot of this happening, but if it does, I'd love it.

Very early rumor is that the purchaser wants to turn this into a "San Francisco-style market space" -- I have no idea what this means. Again, very early rumor -- I'd give it a 10% shot of this happening, but if it does, I'd love it.
A basic read up on SFO's various street markets... http://www.sanfrancisco.com/shopping/

I'd be very surprised if that rumor was true. I don't see Louisa from the Dance Project selling her property; as a matter of fact, I think at one point she was trying to get that building designated as historic, or something along those lines.

She's been in Channelside forever, and they do still have dance classes there. Same goes with the bathhouse (although I don't think they have any dance classes. :nuts:).

Now I can see all the land North of those properties on that block being developed.

Talked with the proprietor of the dry cleaners in Grand Central last night. He said that the plans for the sports bar is to make it upscale (you can get your sushi on as well as your burgers and pizza), and it will be about 50,000 square feet.

Plus, they're nearing completion on the new courtyard between the two Grand Central buildings. Pavers are almost all down, and working on some landscaping. Should be a nice addition to the area.

Now, where is that announcement about the grocery store...

Talked with the proprietor of the dry cleaners in Grand Central last night. He said that the plans for the sports bar is to make it upscale (you can get your sushi on as well as your burgers and pizza), and it will be about 50,000 square feet.

That can't be accurate... 50k sqft??? Trust me, there isn't a market in DT Tampa for such a facility. Not even close.

You're right, that would make this sports bar about 50% larger than the nearby PowerHouse Gym. Doesn't make sense, but I could swear that's what he told me. Maybe he has his numbers mixed up...

^That's on the scale of a Dave and Busters, but lacking a ton of pool tables and games, there's no way they could fill such a place. My guess is he either meant 5k sqft (which is small but possible), or maybe there would be other space developed in addition to space for the sports bar.

It's around 5,000 square feet; its the remaining parcel that fronts Meridian. To be called (tentatively) "The Garage". Apparently, the menu will closely resemble The Rack (as FLHawk mentioned, with sushi and such).

Has anyone heard the opening date for StageWorks? Still doesn't look like much is going on in that space ...

And I can't check on their website because they're expiercing "cyberdust" and redeveloping their site.

New "Petition to Rezone" signs have gone up on the site beside The Slade and across Grand Central West (corner of Kennedy and Meridian). Petitioning to change from CD-3 to CD-1 and the reason listed is just "N/A".

I tried to search for the codes to see if they're petitioning to make this less dense or more dense, but couldn't find anything. Any idea of what would be happening here? It's a really small parcel of land.

By the way, just got back from Channelside -- the new parking garage isn't as bad looking as the renderings, nor does it create a "tunnel" feeling on the road itself. Is it attractive? No. However, is it hideous? No.

Hi new to forum lived in channelside for a few years...They are trying to rezone that from commercial/residential/mixed use to use that lot to park used cars. I know there are already used cars on that lot but apparently it is not zoned for that currently. If opposed to that there is a city council meeting in channelside may 13th for residents to opine on this issue. Personally would hate to see that rezoned for a used car lot. Not consistent with development in channelside.....

^No way should a car lot go there... Who in the hell would even try?

Went to the last Channelside CRA meeting and they mentioned about this rezoning issue. I don't know who owns that car lot but would hate for that corner to get rezoned as a used car lot. here is the post from the news letter:
Rezoning Meeting
Thursday, May 13 • 6pm
City Council Chambers, City Hall
315 East Kennedy Boulevard
The corner of Meridian and Kennedy was previously rezoned for high rise
development. The owner is now requesting to downzone the property to be
allowed to store automobiles outside onthe property. If you would like to expressyour opinion to the Tampa City Council,
attend the rezoning meeting.

#1 new park on washington and 12th is well on it's way as far as design goes. Looks like it will have a place for dog walking and I think there is one basketball court. There are trees built into the plan as well as some type of fountain as well so should help both aesthetically and against the heat. construction bids in summer 2010

#2 They are also going to do a makeover of washington street . don't know what that means exactly but here is what was in the newsletter "Streetscape improvements include wider sidewalks, trees and landscaping,benches, lighting, and other pedestrian amenities"

#3Also some art is moving to channelside from ashley here is what was in the newsletter:

"A blank space in the ChannelDistrict canvas soon will befilled by an exciting minimalist sculpture. The 36’ high, yellow, white, and black sculpture by artist George Sugarman, will move from Ashley Street downtown to the trafficroundabout across from The Florida Aquarium. Through the efforts of volunteers including Ironworkers Local Union #397, Florida Structural
Steel, Gulf Marine and the Port Authority, the sculpture will be
disassembled, repaired, moved and placed on a newly designed
foundation. Work begins April 21, 2010.
The Channel District has long been acknowledged as a
community of the arts, and this major sculpture will be a
welcome addition to our neighborhood’s visual vibrancy"

#4 Lastly a new club is trying to open in channelside It is at the site of the old starship building on 12th and Cumberland . Rumor has it that it will be the largest club in Tampa. Here is what is in the newsletter says

"Victor 1 and Yo Lounge
Coming Soon
Influenced by the life and entertainment of Ibiza, Spain,
the proprietors are busy planning a trendy European-style
club with a taste of Spanish entertainment. Located at 223
S. 12th Street, the establishment will feature stadium seating
focusing on the DJ and a VIP experience for guests."

Mind you this place was supposed to be a sushi restaurant when the owners went in front of city council to get their liquor license(at least that is what they told city council) which was expanded to be a full liquor license. So obviously some deception here by the owners. I have a big problem with the largest nightclub in Tampa in that area. I don't want nightclubs in channelside would like to see restaurants / nice lounges / shops
There may be some recourse for residents of channelside and I know a movement is afoot to revoke the liquor license

So if its influenced by the Ibiza life and entertainment, will it have an equal mix of sunburnt to a crisp British Chavs and 15 year old French teases?

Regarding the new lounge at the old Starship location, best of luck to them ... but that just looks like an awful location for something so (supposedly) large. I think Aja Channelside does okay, but its at a major intersection (Channelside and Meridian), whereas this new club would be surrounded by the parking garages and Towers.

I heard putting fountains in the middle of a roundabout is way safer. ;)

They should had placed the "Exploding Chicken" (which is the sculpture mentioned) closer to the Riverwalk and not where it planned to go. I seriously can't see the idiots that drive through there have one eye on the road, one eye on the trolley, and another eye on the sculpture. Why? Because we weren't born with 3 eyes!

Wonder where Slade stands with the lot there? I would seem them somewhat supporting it being rezoned to keep the car lot there to keep the views of Tampa from being blocked, but I'm pretty sure they went ahead with the whole project knowing something was going to go there anyways. Hopefully the city council is smart enough to vote against the rezoning because if any one of them vote for it, they should go through a class of how to develop a major city and urban designing.

Same goes for the Lounge/Club thing, why? Tell them there is Ybor City up to the north, why use up valuable land on this? I have no doubt it will be nice, but not nice for where it's proposed to go.

I was out at Pour House again last night and they had a very solid crowd. The pavers are down between the two Grand Central buildings and Pour House has some outside area now. A great addition to the area.

Regarding the rezoning meeting Far1219 mentioned above - got the following note today:

Meeting Rescheduled

The City Council Meeting Scheduled for May 13, 2010 has been rescheduled for May 27, 2010 at 6 PM at City Council Chambers.

The Tampa City Council will consider the rezoning of the southeast corner of Meridian and Kennedy Blvd. (File Z10-08). The owner’s are requesting that the property be rezoned to allow the outside storage of automobiles.

The rezong wasn't mentioned on the draft adenda for thursday when I checked last night, but what was on there said it was postponed due to the city council attending the BOCC meeting.

Well it looks like "The Garage" is a go. My business partner saw the plans and supposedly a lease has been signed with Grand Central. This is a sports bar that will occupy the north 2/3rds of the space fronting Meridian. I'm mixed on the idea because it's another bar but anything that brings more people to the area is a good thing. They assure us that they're going to focus on macro beer and liquor so we'll both have our crowds. We'll see how it all pans out. They want to be open by August or Sept. I don't see that happening.

Well it looks like "The Garage" is a go. My business partner saw the plans and supposedly a lease has been signed with Grand Central. This is a sports bar that will occupy the north 2/3rds of the space fronting Meridian. I'm mixed on the idea because it's another bar but anything that brings more people to the area is a good thing. They assure us that they're going to focus on macro beer and liquor so we'll both have our crowds. We'll see how it all pans out. They want to be open by August or Sept. I don't see that happening.

Just came back from the gym, and there are already lots of signs outside. 50+ flat panel TVs (including above the urinals) and it states "Opening in August". They have a website (www.garagebarandgrill.com) but its not functional yet.

ILoveHops, you have nothing to worry about -- you've already got a lot of fans around here and it will only get better. When I want to pop down just to meet a friend/neighbor, or to play darts, I'll always be at your place. When I'm looking for a sports bar, I head to Hattricks or Press Box. Now, I'll go to The Garage for those events. For places that focus on good, unique beer, you have very little competition in the whole Tampa area (World of Beers and New World Brewery are the two that pop to mind), but you're in the right place at the right time. We're (all of the Grand Central people) all super psyched to have you here.

Plus, just saw that 16 new tables are going to be coming out in the new courtyard on Monday!

Thanks for the props. We're happy to be here. Everybody's been great to us in the short time we've been here. Our ad came out in Creative Loafing yesterday so looking forward to seeing how much that helps this weekend.

Just came back from the gym, and there are already lots of signs outside. 50+ flat panel TVs (including above the urinals) and it states "Opening in August". They have a website (www.garagebarandgrill.com) but its not functional yet.


Their website is up now, if only for a front page. Met the owner the other day when he was meeting with Jason Murray (the GC who did our buildout). They were supposed to pick up the contruction permit yesterday. Buildout should commence shortly.

#4 Lastly a new club is trying to open in channelside It is at the site of the old starship building on 12th and Cumberland . Rumor has it that it will be the largest club in Tampa. Here is what is in the newsletter says

"Victor 1 and Yo Lounge
Coming Soon
Influenced by the life and entertainment of Ibiza, Spain,
the proprietors are busy planning a trendy European-style
club with a taste of Spanish entertainment. Located at 223
S. 12th Street, the establishment will feature stadium seating
focusing on the DJ and a VIP experience for guests."

I noticed for the first time last night that the Starship building is completely gone and there is a construction fence up around the site. I guess they are moving forward with this club, and it's going to be a whole new building.

Just wondering, since when did the Towers of Channelside become a JMC community? This is new or did I miss something?

btw, they are the same people who are building Ovation in downtown St.Pete.

I noticed for the first time last night that the Starship building is completely gone and there is a construction fence up around the site. I guess they are moving forward with this club, and it's going to be a whole new building.
Ugh, I'm never going to like this development. It's better than nothing, but not better than what could go on that site. At least that area will get some SIDEWALK!!!! How could we had let this place grow without every street having sidewalks is mindboggling.

EDIT: Any word about the rezoning at the used car garage location?

Just finished reading the meeting transcript for the City Council May 27th meeting. The rezoning was moved to July 22nd. A lot of opposition from the public and not one supporter from the public, which I'm glad about.

One of the opponents was one of the owners of the Powerhouse Gym. Reason I'm bringing them up is because the owner mentioned that Sweetbay is the grocer that is looking at opening a grocery store at Grand Central.

Just finished reading the meeting transcript for the City Council May 27th meeting. The rezoning was moved to July 22nd. A lot of opposition from the public and not one supporter from the public, which I'm glad about.

One of the opponents was one of the owners of the Powerhouse Gym. Reason I'm bringing them up is because the owner mentioned that Sweetbay is the grocer that is looking at opening a grocery store at Grand Central.

Sweetbay (among others) are the grocery stores looking at Grand Central -- odds on are for Sweetbay, but nothing is finalized yet. Announcement should be coming soon (I know that's a tired record, but its looking closer and closer now).

The tables/chairs are out at the new courtyard at Grand Central as well. About 40 new places to sit outside ...

Down at Channelside, looks like Cadillac Ranch is taking over the second floor space vacated by Margarita Mama's, Banana Joe's and Velvet Room ... a country-themed bar/restaurant. Splitsville is also in discussions with the Port Authority over its lease -- hopefully, that's not a bad sign, as Splitsville seems to be one of the few very successful businesses down there.

Also work has started on the Washington Street enhancements. The park hasn't been started yet at 12th and Washington, but hopefully that is coming soon.

There is also a new paint job going on at the existing Channelside parking garage -- white, gray, and light blue, versus the nasty tan/gold/brown colors there now. Looks much better.

The Cadillac ranch will not last. Tampa is where country themed bars come to die, with the exception of the Dallas bull and Coyote ugly, but I attribute Coyote ugly's success to the connection with the movie. In Channelside in particular, I've worked there for 5 years, seen 3 country themed bars open, then die out within months.

The new garage is basically done,.. and it doesn't look that bad to me, you can see through the bottom clearly so I don't think it will take away from any potential businesses at the bottom of the towers like we all initially thought.

I noticed that the last time I was down. The ceiling height is quite high on the ground level, allowing better views and a better feeling of openness. Its an urban area and things will get filled in with odd and less than ideal choices. Personally at this stage of development of the area, I don't think there is the level of commerce in that area to support more street level businesses. So having the walk-thru and not more empty storefronts is the way to go.

If the Cadillac Ranch going into Channelside is part of the national chain, it doesn't really look all that country to me.

http://cadillacranchgroup.com/about_us.html

Cadillac Ranch's focus is on bringing authentic, All-American cuisine to its customers in a fun, dynamic environment. Our patrons enjoy a warm, Rock N' Roll-inspired atmosphere, with plenty of room for friends, music, and dancing.

Our food is freshly prepared using quality ingredients. The menu at Cadillac Ranch is diverse, with offerings ranging from homemade meatloaf to pasta dishes.

At an average size of 10,000 square feet, Cadillac Ranch is perfect for catered events such as wedding receptions, corporate events, or any other private party.

Classic Rock, Modern Rock, and more play through Cadillac Ranch's state of the art sound system, with multiple large-screen televisions throughout the spacious floor plan.

The new garage is basically done,.. and it doesn't look that bad to me, you can see through the bottom clearly so I don't think it will take away from any potential businesses at the bottom of the towers like we all initially thought.

I know you will all be there with bells on. :banana:

The Tampa Port Authority invites the downtown community to its grand opening of the new parking garage at Channelside. The new garage will be officially opened on June 30th at 11:30 a.m.

And construction permit is posted at The Garage. Looks like they're starting work on the underground rough in before the floor is poured.

The Tampa Port Authority invites the downtown community to its grand opening of the new parking garage at Channelside. The new garage will be officially opened on June 30th at 11:30 a.m.
I'll be sure to bring some eggs and rotten tomatoes. :lol:

I'LL BE THERE!,... at work, hope everything goes well...

Looks like "Used Car Corner" at Kennedy and Meridian gave up, packed up, and left -- all the cars are now gone as of this weekend, and there is a small handwritten sign up on the Meridian side that says "We've Moved to xxx 17th Street".

Not sure if anyone caught this, but in 1000 Channelside (the retail in the base) there is a Pole Dancing Fitness studio (I think it was called Pole Fitness). At least I am pretty sure it was in the base of 1000 Channelside, but it was along Channelside Dr.

Steve

Looks like "Used Car Corner" at Kennedy and Meridian gave up, packed up, and left -- all the cars are now gone as of this weekend, and there is a small handwritten sign up on the Meridian side that says "We've Moved to xxx 17th Street".
Guess the talking with the public didn't go too well with them. Atleast they found a new place to do business and the decision didn't make them go out of business.

Looks like "Used Car Corner" at Kennedy and Meridian gave up, packed up, and left -- all the cars are now gone as of this weekend, and there is a small handwritten sign up on the Meridian side that says "We've Moved to xxx 17th Street".

yay!

Not sure if anyone caught this, but in 1000 Channelside (the retail in the base) there is a Pole Dancing Fitness studio (I think it was called Pole Fitness). At least I am pretty sure it was in the base of 1000 Channelside, but it was along Channelside Dr.

Steve
Still fascinates me that those two buildings are on wooden piles.

Don't know if this is "news" or more a marketing ploy.

http://thetamparealestateinsider.com/condos-lofts/lenders-financing-condo-developments-in-channelside-tampa/

The Towers of Channelside, the only high rise in Channelside, has just been approved to offer FHA financing. The Towers had already put 16 units under contract within the first 30 days, prior to the newly announced financing. Buyer’s who were waiting to get the great deals are finally going to be able to purchase. Units start in the 160’s, with Jr Penthouses starting in the 500’s.

There is also a new paint job going on at the existing Channelside parking garage -- white, gray, and light blue, versus the nasty tan/gold/brown colors there now. Looks much better.

Sadly, the most displeasing of colors is staying put. Big, bright, mustard yellow. Nice... Grey, Dark grey and yellow. Hmmm.... my view out of the condo was better before they changed it up.

Guess the Channelside Garage is officially open. I'll post the story link but won't post the whole article cause there isn't really much exciting about the article.

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2010/06/28/daily31.html?ana=e_du_pap

Guess the Channelside Garage is officially open. I'll post the story link but won't post the whole article cause there isn't really much exciting about the article.

http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2010/06/28/daily31.html?ana=e_du_pap

So what happened to the Channelside lighting structure that was on the empty lot where the garage is? '

Is that going to be placed anywhere? It looked nice.

So what happened to the Channelside lighting structure that was on the empty lot where the garage is? '

Is that going to be placed anywhere? It looked nice.
I don't know where it went. There's a couple spots in that area that it could go if they still have it in storage or something.

There's lots of work going on in The Garage now with wall studs going in. A lot smaller than I envisioned it. We'll see how it looks when completed.

Pour House is doing great even though these slower summer months with the college kids away. We've been doing a lot of special events that people seem to love. July 18th is Dog Day with the Tampa Humane Society, July 28th is Drink Local with Cigar City, Dunedin and St. Somewhere, and Aug 11th is Blue Point Brewery Night. Lots of great stuff coming up.

Also, did anyone see that USF moved out of the Port building? Their sign is off the front and there's a rental sign out front. :(

Looks like "Used Car Corner" at Kennedy and Meridian gave up, packed up, and left -- all the cars are now gone as of this weekend, and there is a small handwritten sign up on the Meridian side that says "We've Moved to xxx 17th Street".
The rezoning is still on the July 22nd Council Meeting Agenda, so likely the move was temporary if they can rezone it. Which I'm hoping they don't.

I know we have a couple on here that live in the Channel District, do spread the word that the rezoning is this Thursday and how it would be a waste of land for the community to allow a used car shop to exist.

Anyone know what happened with the used cars lot in Channelside?

Anyone know what happened with the park that was supposed to go in across from The Place?

Anyone know what happened with the park that was supposed to go in across from The Place?

Still in the works from what I last heard.

Steve

Yep, still going in. They're supposedly planning to start working on it this fall, in conjunction with the street upgrades on Washington (buried electrical, new lighting and landscaping). Could potentially be done by early 2011.

Anyone know what happened with the used cars lot in Channelside?
The Petition for the used car lot to be rezoned was removed from the Juky 22nd agenda, so I din't know if they gave up or rescheduled.

They rescheduled it. IT was a bitch that the meeting went on till 2 am. It will be on the agenda next month. The complex is quite large and include two 6 stories towers and 1 7 story garage. It looked nice but not amazing. The city for whatever reason seems very anti this development. The neighborhood is for it.

oops got confused. I was talking about the Ferman Site on kennedy

Last month residential owners (myself included) at Grand Central received a letter from the developer, Ken Stoltenberg, requesting permission to use funds from the capital reserve account to create a private dog park next to Grand Central.

From the letter,

In keeping with our hands-on approach to making Grand Central at Kennedy the best place to call home in Tampa, we are currently working with other parties to open up a dog park area adjacent to Grand Central at Kennedy.

it continues,

The dog park will charge $20 per month per member and be run by a management company experienced in caring for animals. Admission to the park will be limited to members.

Since I have member of this forum I have constantly been surprised by the lack of applause given to politician, residents, developers who work very hard, and sometimes very quietly, to make this city better. This guy is doing what we all hope we can do someday - making the place we call home even better. Needless to say, I voted to make the funds available. I

management company experienced in caring for animals
What does this mean? They'll take care of your pets too?

Id support using the reserve funds, but I would want to be able to use the park without paying $20 a month.

I'd hope it's a pretty nice dog park...

In what direction will it be adjacent to? Will it be north of Grand Central next to where The Martin SHOULD BE RISING or south of the development?

Last month residential owners (myself included) at Grand Central received a letter from the developer, Ken Stoltenberg, requesting permission to use funds from the capital reserve account to create a private dog park next to Grand Central.

From the letter,

In keeping with our hands-on approach to making Grand Central at Kennedy the best place to call home in Tampa, we are currently working with other parties to open up a dog park area adjacent to Grand Central at Kennedy.

it continues,

The dog park will charge $20 per month per member and be run by a management company experienced in caring for animals. Admission to the park will be limited to members.

Since I have member of this forum I have constantly been surprised by the lack of applause given to politician, residents, developers who work very hard, and sometimes very quietly, to make this city better. This guy is doing what we all hope we can do someday - making the place we call home even better. Needless to say, I voted to make the funds available. I

Same here, as I know many of my other neighbors did as well. I don't remember the return that we'd get (as I don't have the letter in front of me) but I think its a 6% return on the money as well, which is pretty damn good these days.

And I agree, ChicagoNative. I've stopped visiting and posting at SSC for the most part, as it seems like everyone just likes to slam any initiative happening in our city (even though many don't even live near the areas where they slam) and anything good is just ignored or poo-poo'ed. It got tiring, like listening to your great Aunt that you don't really know continually complain about her bunions.

There's a lot of good going on, and Mercury Advisors/Ken Stoltenberg really care about Grand Central and the Channelside area as a whole. Sure, they're in the business of making money -- and good for them -- but, as developers go, they're among the very few that I trust.

By the way, I am pretty sure the dog park is NOT The Martin site, but rather an adjacent site (where a current warehouse sits, directly across from the PourHouse) sits.

I normally don't complain on here (I don't think I do), but the Encore project is something I would complain about, if I live in Tampa or not.

I think this dog park is a nice idea and there is probably a good amount of people that live in Grand Central with a dog. And there must be some dog magazine or pet magazine that ranks the best dog-friendly condos and apartments and seeing Grand Central on there could lure some new residents.

And thanks for the reply. It was either the lot with the warehouse or next to the The Martin plot, I was hoping the latter for some glimmer of hope that construction would be beginning. I'll bet some people at Slade will look across the street at the new dog park and be a little ticked off that they don't have any access. :)

I normally don't complain on here (I don't think I do), but the Encore project is something I would complain about, if I live in Tampa or not.

I think this dog park is a nice idea and there is probably a good amount of people that live in Grand Central with a dog. And there must be some dog magazine or pet magazine that ranks the best dog-friendly condos and apartments and seeing Grand Central on there could lure some new residents.

And thanks for the reply. It was either the lot with the warehouse or next to the The Martin plot, I was hoping the latter for some glimmer of hope that construction would be beginning. I'll bet some people at Slade will look across the street at the new dog park and be a little ticked off that they don't have any access. :)


FYI...it's my understanding that the dog park will be available to anyone who pays the fee, not just Grand Central residents.

Hey, I think Ken has done a great job with Grand Central, and the park is a good idea for those who want to pay for it.

However, I'm going to save my $240 a year and wait for the dog park just down the street at Washington and 12th. They'll be starting construction within the next couple months, and it should be complete by early 2011. Plus, it will be free for everyone.

Point well taken, Kentski. This forum is a haven for people who love bashing all things Tampa. Not everybody, but certainly a good %.

it's certainly unfortunate that tampa planning practice elicits such strong feelings, but... in many ways, it's deserved. is it proactive to bitch? not necessarily. i know that i've adopted planning as my profession of choice in very large part because of my experiences in tampa. i also visit this site nearly daily because i deeply care about this community -- that's probably where the scorn comes from.

that said, as a part time channelside resident (the meridian), i've always been a big fan of what mercury has managed to get done. as a designer, i'm not a huge fan of the design, but the building's managers have done a very admirable job in building community around grand central. good for them. :)

I'm just glad our view is improving! Buildings started coming down last week. It'll be adjacent to us down to the fuel storage area.

I live at Grand Central, and the “Fall Newsletter” was just distributed. There were a few highlights in it that I thought were worth sharing:

1) Powerhouse Gym is planning on expanding their space another 2,000 sq. ft. This gym is already decently sized, so this will make it quite large. I believe their business is booming with something like 4,000 active members.

2) The dog park across the street from Grand Central is about to open up. (According to their website, www.channeldistrictkennelclub.com , the grand opening is October 18th). It’s a “members only” club, costing $25 per month. The price seems a little steep, but there are some amenities that go along with it such as having each dog assessed for aggressive behavior and checked for up-to date vaccinations before being allowed membership to the club. Also, discounts will be available for other services such as dog walking, petting sitting, and boarding.

3) Stage works ( www.stageworkstheatre.org ) is still working on the build-out of their theater. They estimate that they are 40% complete and plan to be open by mid-2011. (They are actively looking for donations to ensure the completion of the project.)

4) The Garage Bar & Grill is now open ( www.garagebarandgrill.com ). Their full menu is not yet available (still waiting on certain “cooking or kitchen licenses”) but they are serving a limited menu, which includes sushi. One of the things that concerns me about this place is that they have applied this “mirror-like” sheeting over the large windows making it impossible for a passerby to casually peer in to see what’s going on. I think that may initially be a barrier for them in getting some off-the-street customers. They said that the covering on the windows is to counteract the glare that they would otherwise encounter on the televisions. (I wonder if there is a different solution to the glare problem that would give the general public better views of what was going on inside.) Even so, they said they had a successful weekend, with something like 500 customers this last Friday.

5) For several months, Grand Central developers have been working with Sweetbay Grocery in an effort to get them to open a new store at Grand Central. Unfortunately, Sweetbay has ultimately decided NOT to pursue this project. The news letter ended by saying that “the developers are still working on other possibilities for a grocery store and/or retail/restaurants to join our community”. I must say that this was extremely disappointing news for both the short term and (potentially) the long term. One of the biggest selling points when I bought a condo a Grand Central was that it was truly going to be a place that would have all of these services at my fingertips. To me, a grocery store is the most important of those “services”. I sure hope the developers do not ultimately abandon the idea of a grocery store here. I think this side of town really needs one.

I would think that Trader Joe's would be a good target. They don't have any stores in the area. The demographic is receptive and it is kind of "destination shopping".

That is too bad that Sweetbay didn't go for it :(

--Joey

That area definately needs a grocery store, espicially when more developments start getting built and more residents move in to the Channel District. I would be saying thay Sweetbay will be kicking their ass once they realized what an oppurtunity they missed, but I wouldn't be surprised once the Grand Central space is filled with a grocer and the area has a couple more condos/apartments that Sweetbay might open up a store in district as well, maybe closer to Harbour Island to attract residents from over there while doing the same with the Channelside residents.

I must say though, I miss the days that something was being built in Channelside. This recession/economic downturn is a pain in the ass.

Or how about the fact that Private Industry is trying to compete with Public Works in Parks... How pathetic is that. This city is a joke.

^Welcome to Tampa.

^^I don't know. I think I would rather have private groups filling the niche if it means waiting for the local government to get their act together.

--Joey

There's been a grocery store rumor at Channelside for years and one day it will pan out. In spite of the lack of new development in Channelside, the population is rising.

More Channelside Information (http://urbanlivingtampa.com/content/channelside-condos-sale).

Question: If you are walking from Victory Lofts, how do you get through that monstorous ugly garage..we had to walk all the way around it to the walk way near hooters...is that the only way?

Question: If you are walking from Victory Lofts, how do you get through that monstorous ugly garage..we had to walk all the way around it to the walk way near hooters...is that the only way?
I thought the freaking plan including some type of walkpath or opening between the current garage and the new one?

^lol... This is urban planning, Tampa style.

^lol... This is urban planning, Tampa style.
I've coming to realize that more and more with every little and large mistake by this city. It's a parking garage that creates a wall between the Channelside Plaza and hundreds of residential units, of course you create walkpath between the two garages damnit. I really thought this was in the plan though, I would had emailed the Port and the city again if I had realized before construction that a walkpath wasn't included. :bash:

There is a cut through in the parking garage for pedestrians. It's not obvious, though. I had to look for it.

Pam Iorio is on the Port Authority board - you would think she would care, but she doesn't

That garage is almost 1600ft of cold, hard indifference.

hey all,

stumbling around the internet and found this thread - very encouraging to see a group of individuals invested in this community. I was hoping I could poll you guys to help me make a big decision.

my fiance and I are looking to buy and we feel that channelside might be the best place for us to be. right now we're between The Place and GCK. we've been renting here at the place for the past 1.5 years and are very happy here. however, we haven't been able to get a feel for the HOA yet and still need to do some homework regarding %owned/rented/etc. It seems that the HOA fees are cheaper here at the place but still need to know how much of a nest egg the association has compared to GCK. anyways, I thought I would post some questions and hope that some of you could help me with my research.

1) HOA differences: anyone that has any insight into one or both properties (place vs GCK) in terms of the overall stability of the respective associations would be very helpful. The big differences between the HOA fees seems to be partially balanced with the inclusion of AC/gas/cable/phone at GCK - is this a good thing?

2) Pluses and minuses: we've gotten a decent feel for the good and bad here at the place but are interested in learning more if anyone has anything to share. In terms of GCK I know little to nothing about - other then it sounds like there may be an issue with parking, there is a new bar + restaurant and Ken Stoltenberg is a good guy.

3) Live in owners: anyone have numbers on both/either buildings?

4) Security/Amenities: we've been very happy with the ammenities here at the place - gym is nice and usually clean, pool is beautiful and the social room is spacious and has great views. We've also always felt very safe here and the concierge is quick to respond to requests. how about GCK?

5) Future developments: sound like GCK will eventually (knock on wood) get a grocer and seems to be leading the way in terms of drawing businesses underneath them. However, I think I read on here there are plans for a park/(free)dog park across the street from the place. Any new stuff you all can share would be great.

6) Construction: things seem pretty solid here at the place, we don't hear too much of our neighbors noise and nothing has fallen apart yet. we did have an issue about the unit below us claiming that we were leaking on their ceiling. I think we've fixed that problem but haven't asked too many others about problems they've had.


Ok. Thanks so much for reading this all, I'll be hitting refresh constantly for the next few days/weeks in anticipation of potential responses.


Sincerely,

MV

That garage is almost 1600ft of cold, hard indifference.

The hallmark of her tenure

The hallmark of her tenure

I'd say the Riverwalk, Curtis Hixon park and the Tampa Museum of Art are all much better candidates than a parking garage built by a group that she had one of seven board votes on. It brings an interesting question though--what's best for the port isn't always what's best for the city.

1) there is no Riverwalk - just pieces of an old idea - and not a single restaurant or accessible area to go to when you are in those pieces. Hardly something to crow about.
2) Curtis Hixon Park is ok, but, as my architect friend from California pointed out - quite poorly executed and bush in many ways that I don't feel like getting into here
3) TMA is a disappointment - too small, hidden away, not particularly interesting design or collection. Been there once and really have had no reason to go back.

Look around the city and you will see mediocrity, bad planning, and poorly executed ideas are her hallmark, even if she got lucky in one or two things - which is questionable.

Did she even raise the issue with the garage? If so, I haven't heard about it. Isn't she supposed to represent the city's interests - that's why the mayor is on all those boards.

agreed with smiley, though there are a few restaurants on the riverwalk -- those at the marriott (hidden a bit, granted) and the columbia. in many ways, i consider harbour island part of the walk, and take advantage of those places when i'm enjoying what parts are finished.

there's also malios, a decent cafe in the tma, but, yes, a substantial lack

huge opportunities, missed opportunities.

There are quite a few restaurants on the other side of Ashley, however. When and if the "Heights" complex is built we may have more.

There is also a chunk of land between Whiting and Brorein on the river. South of Straz there isn't much available space for restaurants.

--Joey

Even though many of them things lack on the potential, she's the only one that actually got it done, or almost all of it. A Curtis Hixon redevelopment was thought of mayors before. A new TMA was discussed before Pam, but nothing happened. The same can be said about the Riverwalk. Before her, it was just a dream. Now, it can be considered a work in progress. How about the Children's Museum or History Center. Wasn't the History Center in the St. Pete Times Forum before having it's own building? They may not be the best designed, perfectly located, most amazing thing ever seen by the World; but she actually got them done.

And every mayor has their pet projects, projects they can be remembered for once they leave office. Dick Greco, Freedman, Martinez, etc all had their pet projects. There's a lot of things Pam can remembered good for and things that some may argue wasn't the best choice or decision. The city could have given more money to Riverwalk to get it finish or gave TMA more cash to build a larger museum, but Pam wouldn't do that. There's reasons why Riverwalk is the way it is or why TMA isn't larger, yiou can't just blame Pam for them things.

History Center had little to do with her AND is in an awful location.

There is no riverwalk. There is nothing there, nothing to it.

Doing things halfassed in the wrong place is not necessarily better than waiting. My point is she lacks vision and does things poorly. . . hence the garage. In fact, you make my point for me.

I blame her for driving the airport down, for not getting port going, not opening up to Cuba, stifling proper development downtown, horrible planning department with so many bad buildings around town I can't stand it, Encore . . . being horrible in planning light rail . . . and so much more. Defend her all you want, lots of people will - but poor planning, poor design, poor economics & poor politics are her legacy. We are ten to 20 years behind all our competitors in large part due to her.

Go look at her lovely USF building downtown - another piece of crap.

http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs057/1102746535155/img/195.jpg?a=1103782470446 apparently. Could it be worse? Unless it had surface parking, I doubt it.

Well, I'm not going to back her up on her mistakes. I've been right there to bash the Encore project in any way I can find a reason to bash it, and there's a lot to bash about in that project. And I'm not saying that TMA or the Riverwalk could be better, because they could. I'm just saying that while others have dreamed or talked about them things, she's actually got some things off the papers and make them a reality.

And poor planning has plagued this city for decades. Channelside Plaza, the Channel District, TECO Streetcar line, Convention Center, the Port, the Airport, and I could go on. What the hell can we do about that though? The best option is probably get one of us on the planning department. Maybe bitching about every flaw that's in a project or design in this city, but some officials in this city are too high on their horse to even consider our opinions. Maybe creating a Tampa Bay Citizen Design Committee could be a solution, so this group doesn't only contact Tampa but also St. Petersburg and Clearwater. Whatever the case, the same BS that has happened before and happening now will only continue to happen if we do nothing about complain about something that could had been fixed beforehand.

^I did some cursory work in the past regarding creating a PAC for a similar purpose. But events in my personal life changed my priorities away from such things, as I'm sure you all noticed my participation as a leader here pretty much end.

Plus, it didn't help that most of the contacts I personally had for what would be the seeds of financial support for such an entity, wound up going out of business, or moving out of the area.

Off subject here but I was at Walgreens last night and while walking down the aisle, I saw Kevin White walking in my direction. He had this certain arrogance about him and I swear and I saw him turn around and look at a girl in the aisle from head to toe as if he were checking out a new car or something. I made me want to go down the next aisle and trip him flat on his ass! The nerve of someone in public office doing what he's done and then continuing to do the same while seeking another public role is beyond me all while dodging his responsibility for HIS legal fees!!!

1) there is no Riverwalk - just pieces of an old idea - and not a single restaurant or accessible area to go to when you are in those pieces. Hardly something to crow about.
2) Curtis Hixon Park is ok, but, as my architect friend from California pointed out - quite poorly executed and bush in many ways that I don't feel like getting into here
3) TMA is a disappointment - too small, hidden away, not particularly interesting design or collection. Been there once and really have had no reason to go back.

Look around the city and you will see mediocrity, bad planning, and poorly executed ideas are her hallmark, even if she got lucky in one or two things - which is questionable.

Did she even raise the issue with the garage? If so, I haven't heard about it. Isn't she supposed to represent the city's interests - that's why the mayor is on all those boards.

That's funny because I walk the Riverwalk all the time. Last Sunday I was at Curtis Hixon and there were 40 people in a yoga class, probably 20 families, a football game, kids in the fountains, dads and sons playing catch, etc etc. Hundreds of people show up for the concerts and movie nights. It's a gem.