cont'd from old thread.

From Chuck
Rider of ROHAN , I hope it gets completed, That Hilton Hotel looks nice !!!

Any Pictures of Downtown Mankato , there, my friend ???


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=284147
Its not much to look at, but its my second city :) St Peter is number 1

Cool :wave: , Rider of ROHAN :bowtie: , I like the way you brought over my words from the last Thread, lol. :hi:

The Boss has got us jumping around here, LOL :righton: :drool: :weird:
THANKS !!!, and Yes I like downtown Mankato, But also agree St. Petersburg :righton: , fla, is Great !!! :applause:

:bowtie: ^^

Also Rider of ROHAN :rock: , I also read your post of the Indian meaning of Mankato, which in Indian has it spelled Mahkato, meaning " Greenish Blue Earth ", cool, bro. :cheers2: :cheer: :cheers1:

ps :) , i really love the court house,,. any ghosts in there, lol. :runaway:

Cool :wave: , Rider of ROHAN :bowtie: , I like the way you brought over my words from the last Thread, lol. :hi:

The Boss has got us jumping around here, LOL :righton: :drool: :weird:
THANKS !!!, and Yes I like downtown Mankato, But also agree St. Petersburg :righton: , fla, is Great !!! :applause:


NOOOO Chuck lol, St Peter Minnesota lol. Its 10 miles north of Mankato. I actually live in St Peter. I will post a thread in the MidWest forum one of these days about this great little town :).
No ghosts in the courthouse that I know of lol

Hey guys, drove by Met 2 site today and they were tearing up the asphalt on the site. Some action there.

Sweet new Miaminole!

I could careless about met2 what about met3.?

quote form miaminole : "Hey guys, drove by Met 2 site today and they were tearing up the asphalt on the site. Some action there."

Are you serious!!?? thats my second favorite in miami (after jade ocean)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Its actually going to happen!!!!! :dance: :cheer:

quote form miaminole : "Hey guys, drove by Met 2 site today and they were tearing up the asphalt on the site. Some action there."

Are you serious!!?? thats my second favorite in miami (after jade ocean)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Its actually going to happen!!!!! :dance: :cheer:


Na, I think it tops Jade Ocean, plus its offices! I'm sick of condo buildings...

I could careless about met2 what about met3.?
:speech:
Mad Uptown Hatter :wave: , I know many don't care about Met 2,
:speech:
But, I got some more news about it, I went by the MET 2 site , Today, and they have a NEW Rendering and Picture of the MET 2 project, :righton:

Here we go :) ,

Everyone :grouphug: ,
It has on the Sign :cool:

MET 2 Office Tower
MET MARQUIS HOTEL

:cool: all on the Same Site ( Block ),

anyone can see this New picture of the Two towers as you turn the corner after coming over the Brickell Ave. Bridge.
The Met Marquis Hotel is about Half the size of the Office Tower, but together on the same block. :okay:
:speech: Please someone go by there and get a Picture of that Poster redening on the fence on the Southwest corner of the MET Properties. :cheers:

meanwhile met3 has had its archeological holes closed up, the red crane is in pieces in the SE corner and the rest......... ladies and gentlemen welcome to surface parking ! (still)

saw it from the metromover today.

Went to see "the action" at the Met3 site today, and there was none. The land is STILL basically a parking lot with dirt; very disappointing. I can't believe we are half way into 2006 and there is still NO CONSTRUCTION! at Met3, when do they plan on starting this, never?! :bash: :bash:

However, Met1 has gotten really tall and going up fast along with 50 Biscayne, Marina Blue, Everglades on the Bay, etc. It's starting to look good (building-wise), but honestly, while walking around in the CBD, it's really unappealing, there's not much to do besides buy cheap jewelry and ride around on the MetroMover, life in the CBD is pretty much nonexistant, and all the construction all over the place, really doesn't help.

By the way, are people living in One Miami yet or no? And if so, is the parking garage across from Met1, One Miami's?

And I went to the First St MetroMover Station, the one covered up by Loft, and the station is completely pitch-dark and it was filled with tons of trash and hobos. What do you think they're going to do about that station now that it's all dark and hidden, it's screaming drugs, hobos and problems. Just wondering, what everyone thought.

Overall, Brickell > CBD (visually and atleast for now).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/miami17/met2.jpg

mad hatter,
didnt u like met 2, u even had it as ur avatar?

He likes it, he just wants Met 3 to be built.

^ i think we all share the same sentiment

Is it officially a Marriott Marquis?

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4631/0015na.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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Thank You RX :hi: , and Magic City :righton: , wow, this MET MARQUIS Hotel :applause: is for real,
thanks for answering me so quickly, lol.

Yes, Toucano :master: , its for REAL !!!, and
:speech:
RX and Magic City , Great Renderings, Keep posting, :cheers1:

Go Cranes !!! :banana: :cheer: :pepper:

Sweet dude! The Marquis is easily over 700+ ft.

does anyone have a pic of the work at the met2 site??:)

marquis is about 648ft
met 3 is about 807ft

according to city docs and rendering shows its just about that size

boa is about 625ft
wachovia is 768ft

Marriott Marquis will be the shorter building next to Met Square.

The office building, Met II will be the headquarters for a major bank that is now located in the Old Centrust Bldg (I still call it by its original name). The Bank wants to have the BRICKELL AVE address so they are still in negotiations and time will tell if Tallahasee approves the name change in the future. I saw the banks name on the bldg drawing at Met's sales office, but I can't remember the name right now. I do know that they have several floors at the old Centrust bldg now.

The Marriott deal is strong as the developers have a working relationship with the chain and have done deals in the past (JW Marriott on Brickell)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/miami17/met2.jpg

RX, if what you say is true about MET 3 at 807ft then why does Metropolitan Miami consistantly advertise in numerous publications Met 3 at 866ft above the sidewalk?

Including there website. If you click on met 3 and wait for the little description to appear it says 866ft. RX, I respect your knowledge and you have great postings but I hope your wrong about that 807ft. Please be wrong!

dude i hope im wrong also
the mdm group doesnt know what they are doing and im just glad to see the towers built the project has gone through man redisigns its hard to tell...

met 1 was designed once
met 3 was redesigned 4 times (once at 786 73 floors, then two tower concept then 866 ft at 76 floors then last i heard 74 floors at 807)
met 2 was redesigned 3 times (once a 39 floor tower, then a 45 floor tower, then the current concept with a shorter hotel and now a taller hotel around 350ft


so yeah i hope im wrong

They rushed Met 1...It could have had a much better design, more modern and would have fit in better with the other two...possibly taller too...

They rushed Met 1...It could have had a much better design, more modern and would have fit in better with the other two...possibly taller too...

I agree.

Met 1 isn't tall, and has an uninspired design. It would look fine in Miami Beach, but on a prime piece of downtown real estate I think it's less than impressive.

Met 2 looks really good on paper...just wish it was taller. 650' isn't all that much by today's standards.

And I hope the posts I'm seeing about Met 3 being chopped down by 60' or so aren't true.

I give Metroplitan Miami credit for atleast breaking the 800ft mark in Miami whether it will be at 807ft or 866ft with Met 3. I also love the new rendering of Met 2 another step in the right direction. I just wish Met 1 like everyone else would have been taller be it that the location allows for super tall development and they didnt capitalize on that with this particular tower. But for the most part I am satisfied with Metropolitan Miami as a whole.

I agree.

Met 1 isn't tall, and has an uninspired design. It would look fine in Miami Beach, but on a prime piece of downtown real estate I think it's less than impressive.

Met 2 looks really good on paper...just wish it was taller. 650' isn't all that much by today's standards.

And I hope the posts I'm seeing about Met 3 being chopped down by 60' or so aren't true.

look at who the architects are for the met project, its nichols,brosch and sandoval, they're known for very uninspiring dull residential buildings such as park place and the fountainbleu so i wasn't expecting a nice design out of for met3, or met1, but they're the best office building architects I've seen in a long time such as 1450 and met2.

ALL i want to know is when does mdm plan on starting foundation, not when they plan to break ground(remember 1390 brickell) but when they expect to get some mexicans on site to go vertical....

do you guys think that whats happening at the met2( :) :) :) :) :) )site could mean that construction could be starting soon?

^ id like to say yes about met2 but its part of the site, the other part is parking and the sales center which i dont see moving anytime soon. But you never know, lets hope so.

look at who the architects are for the met project, its nichols,brosch and sandoval, they're known for very uninspiring dull residential buildings such as park place and the fountainbleu so i wasn't expecting a nice design out of for met3, or met1, but they're the best office building architects I've seen in a long time such as 1450 and met2.

ALL i want to know is when does mdm plan on starting foundation, not when they plan to break ground(remember 1390 brickell) but when they expect to get some mexicans on site to go vertical....

I didn't know about the architects involved, so thanks for the info. Details like that are why I enjoy this site so much.

I hope when I'm critical of certain things (like Met 1, condo designs in general, Metrorail, etc.) that people don't take it the wrong way and think I'm pissing on the parade.

Even though I no longer live in Miami---and am happy where I am---I still care a LOT about what's happening there. It's my hometown.

At the same time, though, as excited as I am to see all the development I'd be lying if I said much of it is as good as what I'd HOPE to see. A lot of these condos just look like bigger versions of what was built in Hallandale years ago, and they definitely won't be winning any design awards.

Miami needs some EXCITING designs---really tall stuff that actually gets built. It needs some big, interesting OFFICE towers to really have a city center that people will take notice of. A forest of condos just makes it Sao Paolo or Mexico City.

Anyway, I digress.

Agreed about Met 1. It's a dorky, poorly-conceived, squat building on a site that could have been utilized for SO much more. It'll be taking up space there for decades.

Put it this way: The former Southeast Bank Building nearby (19 stories) that EVERYBODY wants blown up? Met 1 is just as bad nearly 50 years later.

well it is a horrible design (Met1) I mean That don't belong on that corner. take it to Aventura but not that corner. It'll be an eyesore looking at that thing riht next to Wachovia and the METs buildings.

do you guys think that whats happening at the met2( :) :) :) :) :) )site could mean that construction could be starting soon?

HELLO :hi: , what's happening in those few dug up holes on the MET 2 site is more Archeclogical Indian diggings :bash: coming up soon with more tents on the site of MET 2 next to the MET Sales trailer on the same block :llama: .
MET 3 :righton: will be starting soon, :soon:
That huge Red crane that's in pieces on the MET 3 site will be put together :soon: this month and construction will start on MET 3 very soon after :soon: , according to the Nice sales lady there at the sales trailer.

Go Cranes !!! :banana: :cheer: :pepper:

If i got a nickel for every time i read "construction will start soon" on met 3.... i'd be a millionaire

well it is a horrible design (Met1) I mean That don't belong on that corner. take it to Aventura but not that corner. It'll be an eyesore looking at that thing riht next to Wachovia and the METs buildings.

I totally agree.

Fair to say that everyone here is pretty much pro-development (why else would we be here?) but I'm not so sure we should be picking up pom-poms and cheering ALL of it. Some of the stuff going up, truth be told, is pretty damn crappy and uninspiring and there's nothing wrong with saying so.

Met 1...as you said...is the wrong design (and certainly too small) for that site. It's a shame such a great building as the Wachovia gets this puny, ill-conceived condo as a neighbor. Nothing about it is interesting. Nothing.

Where are the truly great designs? Where are the truly iconic towers that will ACTUALLY be built (not just hypotheticals on paper).

All the condos have a place, to be sure, but that stuff is happening in countless cities around the world, including across the U.S. It's not all that unique, and architecturally most of it is a snoozer.

Miami needs some office activity happening in the worst way. Some genuinely BIG structures that announce to the world that there's more happening than "sky pools" and absentee residents that spend half the year elsewhere.

Well i have alot of issues with the way development is occuring, its not only that designs are not even close to being what they should be, but also the fact that the planning going into development is just not there.

I'm very pro-development but i really dont understand some of the planners in the county, city etc. you see a 5-10 story building right next to 1 story houses, or 50 story towers next to 2 story structures, come on lets be serious how many people want to wake up in the morning a see a 50 story neighbor looking at you. Then we have the streetcar and metrorail expanison which have been talked about since forever yet we're no closer than we were 3 years ago. but everytime we get a chance to build a road, thats fast tracked.

I believe our first mistake was with the design of the PAC, you usually see inspring designs and new breathtaking architecture after a city has an architectural landmark. Bank of america tower has had alot influence on other buildings designs, i.e espirito santo, and the new courthouse, but The PAC didn't continue that architectural presence, it looks like a giant mass, disportionate in 3 different sides on both buildings killing off the back sides, where it should be wakening it up. disney hall in LA has had such a profound influence on LA'S architectural landscape, chrysler, met-life and other buildings in new york made architecture of utmost importance in new york, in chicago the same happenend during the art deco and chicago architecture era..... The same is now happening in europe with new architectural edifices sprouting up like wildfire-swiss re, guggenheim,tenerife(sp?).
furthermore its intresting to see how european cities are becoming more modern while maintaining there history such as berlin, building the modern- and best urban planned city center i've ever seen in potsdammer platz, or rotterdam, or even canary wharf.

my point is that miami is a disaster, in planning, architecture, and overall development in general, the problem the city doesn't make it more difficult for developers to get permits, chicago puts its buildings through very lengthy architectural reviews, miami, hahaha the architectural review board usually just looks at the facade. AND DON'T TELL ME MIAMI 21 WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING BECAUSE THATS GOING TO TAKE ALTEAST 20 YEARS TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING, IF IT EVER DOES ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.

Mad Hatter, I agree with every single word there.

Apparently, there are a few of us who think a LOT of the current development is turning out to be less interesting than it could have been. I don't think there's anything wrong in saying that.

Miami has sold some its most valuable real estate to boring, poorly-designed projects...stuff that belongs in Boca Raton or suburban San Diego. Filling a downtown with cookie-cutter condos isn't going to excite anybody.

Metrorail remains unfinished and puny. Downtown needs a real focus (as yet unrealized)...and the PAC, sad to say, won't be winning any design awards, agreed.

Why applaud crap? Miami should demand better.

So many of the most beautiful buildings seem to be getting cancelled. Can anyone update on Platinum on the Bay? Park Lane Tower is a huge loss, as is ELEMENT and ONYX 2. Is Premiere Towers canceled? A friend worked on the design but is always pushed on to the next project never knowing the status of the last.

I predict that the Miami Heat will win an NBA championship before Met 3 breaks ground.

I know, I know. How do I do it ?

HAHA Dale, sadly the Dolphins may win a superbowl before this project starts. The good news is that the land is preped for future construction on the site.

So many of the most beautiful buildings seem to be getting cancelled. Can anyone update on Platinum on the Bay? Park Lane Tower is a huge loss, as is ELEMENT and ONYX 2. Is Premiere Towers canceled? A friend worked on the design but is always pushed on to the next project never knowing the status of the last.
ARCH :wave: Photographer, True :rock: so true, many are being cancelled, the Interest Rates are rising TOO FAST, Platitnum on the Bay is just about History like the Onyx 2 and The Element :bash: .
:nocrook: :cool: :banana:
But I got some good news :okay: , Go to google search for " Hoover Dam Bypass " take some ARCH photgraphs and please put them on here for the men to see, A Fantastic Bridge being built for the replacement of riding over the old Hoover Dam :cheers: :scouserd: .

Go please !!! :runaway:

WOOT WOOT! I win! What do I get Chuck?
http://bridgepros.com/projects/Hoover_Dam_Bypass_Bridge/Seagull_View_Rendering_10_02300dpi%5B1%5D.jpg

I predict that the Miami Heat will win an NBA championship before Met 3 breaks ground.

I know, I know. How do I do it ?

I predict Clinton will be elected president before Met 3 begins.

CHELSEA Clinton.

WOOT WOOT! I win! What do I get Chuck?
http://bridgepros.com/projects/Hoover_Dam_Bypass_Bridge/Seagull_View_Rendering_10_02300dpi%5B1%5D.jpg
PAUL :applause: :applause: :applause: !!!,
You did Great :righton: , wow :cheer: , and its under construction, I was there 6 months ago, and I'm going back in 4 years when its completed !!! :cheers:

Just Think Paul, it will be the 12th Wonder of the World , when completed, Also check out the Webcams from both sides of the Bridge, Arizona Side and Nevadd side, Fantstic LIVE SHOTS, now go to Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge webpage in Google Search. :cheers:

Uhm, I can see how that is related to the Met projects. But let's get a little closer. Any further word on any of the Mets? How far along is 1? When will 2 start, and did it get the go-ahead? And 3, when will it start?

not much if any activity at 3 or 2, met1 is currently on the 26th floor of the tower and the 6th garage floor.

do you guyz think the reason met 2 and 3 are taken longer than expected to start is because they are waiting for met 1 to finish the lower floors, at least, of the parking garage, so that the workers can have a place to park?

its currently that way for parking but they could just park them on the other half of met2 and let met3 get started i think they are just having internal delays or arent in a hurry, i think this project was originally proposed like 9 years ago or something with a different name and size. for them this IS fastpaced.

Here are some pics from today.

Met III site :rant: :rant: :rant:

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4719/dsc037937bs.png

Met II site

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1028/dsc037913xe.png

Not good. Not good at all.

But the photo updates are definitely appreciated, umiami.

(maybe the city can turn the Met 2 and 3 lots into a new tourist attraction called the "Lunar Surface Experience")

Spellbound, that's funny. Atleast something would get put there. Met II and Met III are just a lost hope. Met III should have started years ago or atleast a year ago, Met II got redesigned more recently but still, bad bad bad. But the update is good, thanks umiami305.

How and why was met II redesigned??

Everyone :grouphug: , Well here we go again,

FEDS :bash: raise rates Again today, NOW 5.25 % :bash: that will raise the Mortagage Rates to 6.5 % very soon :bash: ,

:omg: the Boom is almost over :omg: ,
I hope to God :angel: MET 3 starts soon, I'm praying :angel1: !!!

Look at the SkyRocket Graph at www.interest.com :runaway:

Chuck, it appears that the 'nice' sales lady you keep talking to in the Met sales trailer is perhaps telling you what you want to hear, just like any sales person would do. I think a more appropriate name for her would be 'clueless' sales lady.

We'll be talking about the Super Bowl and how cool it is that the Dolphins made it (dreaming here a bit) next February and still be wondering and hoping for Met 3 to start...

Chuck, it appears that the 'nice' sales lady you keep talking to in the Met sales trailer is perhaps telling you what you want to hear, just like any sales person would do. I think a more appropriate name for her would be 'clueless' sales lady.

We'll be talking about the Super Bowl and how cool it is that the Dolphins made it (dreaming here a bit) next February and still be wondering and hoping for Met 3 to start...


They can have a superbowl party on the site once the repave it for parking.

^lol

too bad there would "hopefully" be a skeleton of of miami's tallest rising

close this thread already... sorry it sucks

^^I agree.....all this talk about met 3 going down the tubes just isn't funny anymore.

It IS depressing stuff, yes, but sometimes gallows humor is the best defense against bad news.

Look at it this way: Yes, it would truly suck if Miami doesn't get a new tallest from the boom (especially since interest rates are about to end the party). Met3 would have been that building...and maybe still will be.

But if it doesn't happen---which seems increasingly likely---that site remains a prime piece of real-estate (possibly even one the FAA wouldn't emasculate too much over height).

Maybe, just maybe, it someday gets put to use for a REAL supertall (which Met3 isn't) that might actually be an office tower instead of yet another condo. It's possible at that location.

The only disaster scenario, imo, is if Met3 is downsized and then constructed. That would be pathetic.

^ yes if they make it 500 feet or something like that it would be better if they just dont build it.

^id prefer 500' to a parking lot anyday, but yeah no tallest would suck, and if you think about how long all these towers lots have been vacant til now that outcome could be very scary if it stays vacant/parking.

If the other two Met towers don't go through, it's still reassuring that those two parcels have a height limit close to 1,000 ft. Now a days, most office towers have a slab to slab height of 14-17 ft., so anything in the 45-55 floor range could easily surpass 800 ft.

I'm just praying met square gets built, that phase is a MUST for future health of the CBD area.

Take a deep breath guys. A forumer on SSP who works for Bovis said in April that MDM was just entering into discussion with Bovis at that time. He said he thought it would take about two months, but you know how time projections go.

And while MDM might have ADHD, it was not their fault that things were delayed interminably by the archeologists.

Also, the project was already one-third sold as of last Spring.

That said, I agree with spellbound that if the tallest building Miami gets out of this the most spectacular boom in its history is the 679' Marquis, it'll be flat-out embarassing.

Several Florida cities are managing to get a new tallest.

That said, I agree with spellbound that if the tallest building Miami gets out of this the most spectacular boom in its history is the 679' Marquis, it'll be flat-out embarassing.

Several Florida cities are managing to get a new tallest.

I wonder what we could have gotten with out FAA restrictions. Do you think anyone would have tried something taller if they knew they didn't have an FAA headache to deal with if they went over 650 feet?

I wonder what we could have gotten with out FAA restrictions. Do you think anyone would have tried something taller if they knew they didn't have an FAA headache to deal with if they went over 650 feet?

We don't even have to guess. Several projects have proposed taller, such as Infinity II. I got the impression from an earlier article that it was proposed at well above the current height of 740 ft.

That said, I agree with spellbound that if the tallest building Miami gets out of this the most spectacular boom in its history is the 679' Marquis, it'll be flat-out embarassing.

Several Florida cities are managing to get a new tallest.

That would be frustrating as hell, agreed.

Here's where we are with a skyline:

Miami is in the process of becoming much more linear...basically from the Rickenbacker to 36th Street as far as a wall of buildings, right?

Yet, where's the focal point? Where's the two or three 1000' footers...OFFICE towers...that really make an imprint that people notice.

THAT'S what Miami needs. Soaring office towers...not balconies or "sky pools" on the 45th floor. Not another condo.

And it needs to be focused in the CBD, not spread out everywhere.

Otherwise you wind up with Mexico City or Sao Paulo...and there's a good reason nobody talks about those skylines as being beautiful (except when they're kidding themselves).

Those aren't skylines...they're just place where a bunch of people live.

a REAL skyline speaks power and drama...like what Manhattan has. Chicago, too.

Miami needs to end the stupid, pointless Cuban embargo and put an end---once and for all---to the ongoing idiocy from a few hundred aging troglodytes that hold its economy hostage to idiocy.

That alone would open the economy to a market that's been denied. It would open it to an economy that would DEMAND office towers.

The Cold War has been over everywhere else for 20 years.

(sorry to babble here...but Miami remains a source of inspiration AND frustration to me....y'know?)

I seriously think we need to write a book or something.....cuz only in miami would you have so much conspiracies and shattered dreams.

I seriously think we need to write a book or something.....cuz only in miami would you have so much conspiracies and shattered dreams.

There probably is a book in there, agreed.

I should apologize for making such an awkward leap from talking about the skyline to the Cuban Embargo, but I hope people get the gist of what I mean.

That dumb policy has accomplished NOTHING in over 40 years and I would even argue that it's HELPED Castro retain power by giving him a convenient scapegoat for the economic woes that beset the country.

I also think it has denied South Florida (and especially Miami) of an incalculable amount of business and trade opportunities that are shut off because of this asinine policy that serves zero purpose except to pander to a group of aging warriors.

If we had a healthy, open trade policy with Cuba I'm willing to bet that Miami's skyline (and economy) would be significantly bigger than it is currently. I'm sure of it.

You always hear about the embargo in terms of what it means to Cuba. I'd like to see a study that shows how much it has hurt Miami.

sorry to be against you spellbound, but in my opinion I love the cuban embargo. I'M dominican and my father runs an importer business from the dominican republic,and if it weren't for the cuban embargo we would have to deal with so much more competition that the market would be flooded with cuban products. this has also helped the the dominican republic become the largest trading partner with the state of florida. so the cuban embargo has allowed many other latin american countries to establish trading connections here. if you think about it, without a cuban embargo, cuba maintains a monopoly, because of proximity, and the love for anything cuban here in miami. im also for more laws restricting travel there, that means more tourism for my country.

can you believe the crock of shit this mad hatter guy just posted?

please why dont you just say you hate jews becuase they dont believe on jesus
or say that hitler was right that they where doing better in the economy and that it was there fault germany was going through rough times..send them to the gas chamber or better yet the furnace...

what if i said i was glad dominicans had a chance to trade with america otherwise they would be living in slums and trash heaps like the haitians that they are... they are actually haitians that speak spanish no big difference there just one lives on the other side of the island...

cuban embargo is the biggest flop it never worked and hasnt worked to this day.



please next time you decide to post use your brain to think and not your ass...

SOMEBODY could use some therapy . . . .

And somebody else could use some good news about our good ole' friends at the Met's headquarters. I think they will both go up - too much publicity to not.

Yikes...I didn't mean to open a can of worms.

Yeah, I thought Mad Hatter's response was based more on personal interest that what was best for Miami as a whole...but I didn't see anything racial in it.

Maybe we can focus on the actual subject here---and break it down to a simple poll.

Has the embargo worked?

Do you think it's had an effect on Miami's economy?

monopoly becuase island is so close or centralized to the carribean

umm why doesnt santo domingo put a big propeller and move there island closer then...

what cuba has is great geographic positioning....

Stepping aside from the cuban embargo, let's stick to the subject at hand. I was also just talking to the women over at the met office. They told me that there is no way in hell that met three will not go up. She said that stepping away from Whole Foods now would be an impossibility, and the unit sales end will not be a problem. I wonder if this is true or not.

There is a back hoe on the site again

what the hell's a back hoe?

can you believe the crock of shit this mad hatter guy just posted?

please why dont you just say you hate jews becuase they dont believe on jesus
or say that hitler was right that they where doing better in the economy and that it was there fault germany was going through rough times..send them to the gas chamber or better yet the furnace...

what if i said i was glad dominicans had a chance to trade with america otherwise they would be living in slums and trash heaps like the haitians that they are... they are actually haitians that speak spanish no big difference there just one lives on the other side of the island...

cuban embargo is the biggest flop it never worked and hasnt worked to this day.



please next time you decide to post use your brain to think and not your ass...

You must be one of those bitter Cubans out there talking shit because your country is not doing any good right now. The Mad Hatter was simply expressing his opinions and views of the current circumstances because last I checked this was an open forum where people can express there opinions. By the Way Ass Hole, you have no mother fucking right disrespecting The Dominican Republic just because of what is going on in Cuba. Apparently you aren’t aware of Miami’s population being mostly foreigners and that there are many cultures in these Forums. As a Dominican I have never been so offended.

otherwise they would be living in slums and trash heaps like the haitians that they are... they are actually haitians that speak spanish no big difference there just one lives on the other side of the island...

To even suggest that The DR is like Haiti is ignorant and you research before you speak/type. If you did not know the first University, Cathedral, Hospital, etc in the Americas was in the Dominican Republic not Haiti or Cuba. You are a biased person who has no right speaking of Haiti or the Dominican Republic in the manner you just did. Even before DR traded with The US (WHICH IS GREAT) we had a thriving economy If not the best in the Caribbean. Through out history The Dominican Republic has never been living in slums or in heaps of trash and many forumers especially Haitian ones may find that post as a racist remark.

Dominicans were always a hybrid of native caribs with Spaniards. It hasn’t been until recently that we have started to mix with Haitians.

Just because Cuba does not have "the cojones" to overthrow Fidel is there own shit because At one point The French Haitians tried to take over DR but failed because we had “the cojones” (that Cuba hasn’t grown yet) to push them back to their side of the island.

Everyone, stop with this DR v. Cuba thing. Continue your feuds over private messages if you'd like, but you're ruining the thread.

what the hell's a back hoe?


back hoe is a tractor one that digs.

can you believe the crock of shit this mad hatter guy just posted?

please why dont you just say you hate jews becuase they dont believe on jesus
or say that hitler was right that they where doing better in the economy and that it was there fault germany was going through rough times..send them to the gas chamber or better yet the furnace...

what if i said i was glad dominicans had a chance to trade with america otherwise they would be living in slums and trash heaps like the haitians that they are... they are actually haitians that speak spanish no big difference there just one lives on the other side of the island...

cuban embargo is the biggest flop it never worked and hasnt worked to this day.



please next time you decide to post use your brain to think and not your ass...


hahahaha, THAT WAS FUNNY. I could careless, to me you're just another cuban who thinks he owns miami. and to say that dominicans are haitians is to say that mexicans and americans and the same people. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW HISTORY BECAUSE THE HAITIANS CAME FROM AFRICA WHILE THE DOMINCANS CAME FROM SPAIN AND MIXED WITH THE TAINO INDIANS ON THE ISLANDS.
i'm sorry you don't share my views on the economic situation, but neither should you, because it benefits me and my family not yours. I'M sure if the shoe was on the other foot you wouldn't give a shit less. RX you should see a good psychologist, I heard fidel has some good ones.

LMAO!
This is all funny.

Good news about Met3, finally!

looool

go met 3!

WHERE AM I!!!! I this Skyscraper City ??????????????????

When will the soap opera end. Im not concerned about the Cuban embargo, and why should you when Haitians are overruning you streets with gang violence and killing babies. ;-)

Guys, your frustration is misdirected.

Please direct your frustration at MDM. :)

^^ Yeah what is the deal with MDM? :)

im glad im seen as a racist against dominicans

why becuase that comment was purely racist that was posted and if i got some dominicans mad then great atleast you will see how enfuriated i was to read the crock of shit that was posted about cuba...

cuban as a nation has contributed much more to the world then haiti i mean dominican republic (same shit, same island, same indians some speak spanish others speak french)



and in my defense im not one of those cubans that own every little piece of miami but i do have a nice realestate property portfolio...

once again im glad you are mad becuase i spoke up about the bullshit that was posted about cuba as for fidel castro being in power some of us cubans love him where he is at and what he has done... i support communism when done the right way democracy doesnt seem to be working here in america the last 8 years as a matter of fact it hasnt been working for the last 60 years...

You wouldn't have your "nice real estate portofolio" in a communist country, even less in cuba...I don't get u, you love fidel, communism? Anyway lets bury the subject and focus on what the hell is going on with Met II or III or whatever building this thread was about ok...Can we all just get along?... :bash:

im glad im seen as a racist against dominicans

why becuase that comment was purely racist that was posted and if i got some dominicans mad then great atleast you will see how enfuriated i was to read the crock of shit that was posted about cuba...

cuban as a nation has contributed much more to the world then haiti i mean dominican republic (same shit, same island, same indians some speak spanish others speak french)



and in my defense im not one of those cubans that own every little piece of miami but i do have a nice realestate property portfolio...

once again im glad you are mad becuase i spoke up about the bullshit that was posted about cuba as for fidel castro being in power some of us cubans love him where he is at and what he has done... i support communism when done the right way democracy doesnt seem to be working here in america the last 8 years as a matter of fact it hasnt been working for the last 60 years...


yes you are a racist, repeat after me, racist. second of all you must be a bad reader because at no time during my original message did i say anything bad about cuba, all i said was that the cuban embargo was allowing trade to increase with other caribbean countries because cuba had an embargo. I don't see how that was offensive. if you didn't agree with my message, then thats all you had to say, i would of happily of talked with you and see why we differed. but was it neccesary to start throwing out names and direspectful remarks, no, it was not. yea after rereading my original post, i should've worded it different but still yours was hate filled and racist to the core.

anyways with that said, it doesn't seem like you'll be apologizing anytime soon so i'll just say RX, don't you have some hunger strike to join, or some little kids book to ban from the public school system, maybe smoke a cigarette, or what about going out to key west to wait for when your relatives come in, or join a protest or listen to your favorite radio station radio mambi.

disclaimer: i have nothing against cubans, i just don't like the loud mouth ones who think miami, is la habana numero dos.furthermore i think cubans need to stop complaining, they already get alot of things most immigrants don't get.....

Mad Hatter we cubans don't have a home country to go back to like you and your family, so we have every right to complaint...you also contradict yourself...you say you don't have anything against cubans but look at all the negative comments you were able to come up with...whatever go back to the Met developments or close the thread!!!! :bash:

Mad Hatter we cubans don't have a home country to go back to like you and your family, so we have every right to complaint...you also contradict yourself...you say you don't have anything against cubans but look at all the negative comments you were able to come up with...whatever go back to the Met developments or close the thread!!!! :bash:

Can we end the bullshit now??? Rx started this, and made it a racism arguement. Im always leary of people who play the race card, the usually have no real argument otherwise. Rx has been bitching at everyone, are you PMS'ing? He also denies the existence of Haitian gangs. His rant was far more racist grouping all people on Hispaniola as one.

PS Cuban and Dominican are not races, they are nationalities.

my take on this situation.... say what u guyz want. be racist... be ignorant... rant on. today is Independence Day. use ur freedom of speech to its full extent. but get ur say in while u can, come midnight, i expect all the babbling to stop.

if not, i'll motion for all of those speaking in this forum on subjects that are off topic to be sanctioned and/or banned.

i came to this forum to talk scrapers... not gangs... not dominicans... not cubans... not anything but scrapers, and the beauty of them.

Go Scrapers.. Go USA...

and for chuck.. Go Cranes!

BornInTheGrove,

I second that!!!!

Go Scrapers.. Go USA...

and for chuck.. Go Cranes!!!!!!!

go cranes..................................

I'm just trying to figure out who's to blame for the delay of Met 3, the Cubans or the Dominicans. I'm in a finger-pointing frame of mind.

I think THE EMBARGO is to blame...I hear its causing a shortage in building supplies... :scouserd: Happy Fourth everyone...