Miami=Brickell Financial District II [Archive]

dave8721

June 21st, 2006, 07:49 PM

On 600 Brickell:

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/060622/story4.shtml

Brickell mixed-use project goes to city this week

By Deserae del Campo
A Brickell mixed-use project of nearly 1 million square feet of office space and hundreds of hotel rooms and residential units is to go before the Miami City Commission this week for building permit approval.
The two-tower 600 Brickell and its approximately 952,000 square feet of office space can't come soon enough to the area's space-strapped leasing market, said Bert Checa, a Holly Real Estate broker. "The vacancy rate would go from 8% to 17% if the building was going up now.
"The project would bring a very healthy amount to the market, which is starving right but it's not coming soon enough," Mr. Checa said. "This is a project that the market desperately needs."
600 Brickell is among several projects in the works that could ease pressure on the leasing market. City records show downtown Miami is expected to see more than 5 million square feet of office space from projects in the pipeline.
The shorter tower of 600 Brickell, standing 485 feet, is to be completed ahead of the taller one, by the end of 2010. It's to include 490,126 square feet of office space and 14,030 square feet of retail space.
Work on the second tower is to begin in 2011. The 903-foot structure is to include 134 residential units, 360 hotel rooms, 463,483 square feet of office space and 3,917 square feet of retail space.
Developer 600 Brickell LLC is to go before the commission today (6/22) for a major use special permit. The city's zoning board approved the project in March.
"We received approval from the Urban Development Review Board and the zoning board," said attorney for the developers Gil Pastoriza of Weiss Serota Helfman Pastoriza Cole & Boniske during a planning and zoning meeting this month. "They were all ecstatic about the project.
"We have a truly unique building here, the first of its kind on Brickell Avenue that has a significant amount of public space with three quarters of an acre of public plaza."
Ron Henderer, architect with RTKL Architecture, said "600 Brickell draws a parallel with Rockefeller Center. This project will bring significant value to the city of Miami with a vital urban space that will be a magnet for people."
The project has also received city commission approval for the land and zoning use changes. The final reading for the land-use change is also scheduled today. A six-story building at the site is to be razed to make way for the project.

Displaced Miami Man

June 21st, 2006, 08:30 PM

To quote Mr. Burns: "Eexxcceellleenntttt"

rider_of_rohan

June 21st, 2006, 11:15 PM

Ok kiss the big one goodbye, it needs to go first.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 22nd, 2006, 01:43 AM

Ok kiss the big one goodbye, it needs to go first.

Everyone :grouphug: , I believe what Rider of ROHAN :hi: is saying, is
:applause:
the Big ugly building :bash: on site now ,needs to go first, and get this 600 Brickell :cheer: project started soon !!! :cheers1:

Toucano

June 22nd, 2006, 01:54 AM

2011 = never

dach2k5

June 22nd, 2006, 04:44 PM

Roark

June 22nd, 2006, 05:05 PM

I agree... i don't think you can have even a reasonable chance of coming up w/ a timing estimate until you have started going vertical in earnest. Any projection before that is really pure conjecture. There are so many things that can delay a project that 5 years out is impossible to plan.
Big projects like 900 Biscayne and Everglades that are really just getting started now are going to have to go through multilple hurricane seasons. A hurricane like wilma can cause 3 to 6 months of real delays in a project."A hurricane like Wilma"....huh? How about that Wilma, in fact, did not delay construction for more than a week in most projects!
Brickell on the River's construction was not delayed and it finished on time....the only real delay was getting county inspectors out to give the Temporary Certificate of Occupany, and that was only a few weeks...nothing near 3 to 6 months that you've come up with.
Of course you come up with a time estimate years out...that's what we do! You may be off a bit here and there, but you certainly plan. Included in the master plan are contigency plans.
You plan similarly to a cross country road trip...you've got a start date and an Estimated Time of Arrival. Sometimes there will be a traffic jam, or an accident, or a hurricane, or high fuel prices, but you definitely have a start and finish. Sometimes, you have to detour a little bit when there are unforeseen circumstances, but if you've traveled the path before, you start to become more and more accurate at your estimations...even 5 years out.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 22nd, 2006, 05:13 PM

2011 = never
:master:
True Toucano :wave: , Never in 2011, and the F.A.A. :bash: won't allow them to go over 850 feet in the Brickell area, the second tower is NOT in my dreams of 2012 :hm: , not even under construction by then.

Just like Rider of ROHAN :hi: said, Build the first one NOW, quickly and get it started soon, knock down the older building there as soon as this project is approved, Build the 485 foot NOW, I see that tower completed in my dreames of 2012. :cheers:

dave8721

June 22nd, 2006, 07:39 PM

I'm sure something will happen in 2011 or 12 though. It will probably go through 20 to 30 redesigns and height changes and a few office to hotel to residential and back again switches by then as well. Who knows what the market will be like in 5 or 6 years? At least they are getting the approval now so whenever they feel like the demand warants it, they can launch the project.

intresant

June 23rd, 2006, 05:43 AM

Hey guys! I went to eat at the capitol grille yesterday and took pictures of the surrounding developments.

Since there is not a single Miami River Thread I'm going to have to split the few pictures I took in between the CBD thread, and the Brickell thread...

Edit: The other batch of pics can be found at the cbd thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=8981384#post8981384

Icon site:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/Capitol_grille/Icon1.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/Capitol_grille/Icon3.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/Capitol_grille/Icon4.jpg

BOR cranes:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/Capitol_grille/Brickell_on_the_river2.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/Capitol_grille/Brickell_on_the_river1.jpg

500 Brickell:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/Capitol_grille/500_Brickell2.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/Capitol_grille/500_Brickell.jpg

Edit: The other batch of pics can be found at the cbd thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=8981384#post8981384

Dale

June 23rd, 2006, 06:04 AM

Re: 600 Brickell, what's the point in announcing that a tower will start in 2011 anyway ?

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 26th, 2006, 04:35 AM

Interesan T :applause: , nice pics :okay: , just wait again to take the same pics in about 4 years, check out the three towers of ICON Brickell :cool: , all completed, Brickell on the River :cool: towers , 500 Brickell :cool: towers, EPIC hotel and residence :cool: tower, and of course, the MET 1 :cool: tower, all completed.

Wow, What a Sight !!! :rock:

hello345

June 26th, 2006, 06:10 AM

chuck , my friend, do you know if all three ICON towers are under construction or if its just one?

thanks in advance,
-hi123

Roark

June 26th, 2006, 04:06 PM

Re: 600 Brickell, what's the point in announcing that a tower will start in 2011 anyway ?My guess is that they get it in the public record before lawmakers enact something that might diminish their ability to maximize the profit. If the lawmakers, do between now and contruction time, the developer can plead that he was wronged and get either monetary compensation or some bargaining leverage to change his designs/plans.

dach2k5

June 26th, 2006, 05:14 PM

I know of at least 3 projects that had significant delays (3 to 4 months) mostly due to getting their glass deliveries delayed.

I know of at least 2 more projects (not tower projects) that had issues w/ FPL hooking up their power in the wake of Wilma. One caused a 3 month delay and the other 4 months.

"A hurricane like Wilma"....huh? How about that Wilma, in fact, did not delay construction for more than a week in most projects!
Brickell on the River's construction was not delayed and it finished on time....the only real delay was getting county inspectors out to give the Temporary Certificate of Occupany, and that was only a few weeks...nothing near 3 to 6 months that you've come up with.

mileageman

June 26th, 2006, 11:07 PM

archifreese

June 26th, 2006, 11:18 PM

chuck , my friend, do you know if all three ICON towers are under construction or if its just one?

thanks in advance,
-hi123
not chuck but i can see the icon brickell site from my desk. the north tower is currently going vertical and the rest of the site is still a mess but there is a 3rd cranes base sitting on its side. i would imagine theyll stagger their construction but because of the shared parking pedestal theyll all be under various phases of construction at the same time soon enough.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 26th, 2006, 11:39 PM

chuck , my friend, do you know if all three ICON towers are under construction or if its just one?

thanks in advance,
-hi123
HELLO :) , Its only one tower , now, but the others will follow in the coming months, all three will be completed in a 4 year timetable. :cheers:

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 26th, 2006, 11:43 PM

not chuck but i can see the icon brickell site from my desk. the north tower is currently going vertical and the rest of the site is still a mess but there is a 3rd cranes base sitting on its side. i would imagine theyll stagger their construction but because of the shared parking pedestal theyll all be under various phases of construction at the same time soon enough.

ARCH :cheer: :hi: ,
Jorge Perez is the Man :righton: !!!, he's getting all three of ICON Brickell :cool: towers ready in a 4 year time table, the North and South Towers are selling out quick, This Man is Amazing !!! :applause:

dave8721

June 27th, 2006, 03:14 PM

A 1.5 million-square-foot, mixed-use project featuring 953,609 square feet of office, a 360-room hotel and 134 residential condominiums was granted a major use special permit by Miami’s city commission late last week. The two-tower 600 Brickell project, as yet unnamed, is being developed by The Foram Group, which owns the existing eight-story office building at the site. According to real estate sources, the developer is negotiating a joint-venture agreement with the Swire Group, a Hong Kong-based developer with offices in Miami, to develop the Brickell Avenue project.

Projects with more than 200,000 square feet of non-residential use or over 200 residential units trigger the need for an MUSP. The developers now have two years in which to get building permits and begin building, said a city planner who is familiar with the project, but who wished to remain anonymous.

http://www.cpnonline.com/cpn/property_type/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002728233

I've said this before but Swire getting involved in my mind greatly increases the chances that this is a real project thats going to be built. I'd probably even put Swire one step above Related when it comes to getting their buildings built, fast (see Carbonell, Asia, they even had a hand in Jade right?).

Miami as in Perfect

June 27th, 2006, 08:36 PM

Has everybody given up on 1101? I know I seem obsessed, partly because I am. But I REALLY want this thing to go up! It is my favorite in the whole line-up.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 27th, 2006, 11:59 PM

Has everybody given up on 1101? I know I seem obsessed, partly because I am. But I REALLY want this thing to go up! It is my favorite in the whole line-up.

Miami as in PerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrFect :hi: , I'm sorry to say it :sleepy: , but 1101 Tower project is not going to happen in my dreams of 2012 :righton: , Its not there, I'm sorry :sleepy: , but I can't picture it in my dreams of 2012, Maybe another developer will take over and do something with the property 8 years from now :cheer: , Another Office tower, hopefully. :okay:

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 28th, 2006, 12:03 AM

I've said this before but Swire getting involved in my mind greatly increases the chances that this is a real project thats going to be built. I'd probably even put Swire one step above Related when it comes to getting their buildings built, fast (see Carbonell, Asia, they even had a hand in Jade right?).

DAVE :hi: , please tell me was FlatIron Tower :cheers: approved last week by the city of Miami :righton: , This is a MUST :llama: tower, I want this tower to go up, I believe it will be there in my dreams of 2012 :cheer: !!!

ChuckScraperMiami#1

June 28th, 2006, 12:11 AM

A 1.5 million-square-foot, mixed-use project featuring 953,609 square feet of office, a 360-room hotel and 134 residential condominiums was granted a major use special permit by Miami’s city commission late last week. The two-tower 600 Brickell project, as yet unnamed, is being developed by The Foram Group, which owns the existing eight-story office building at the site. According to real estate sources, the developer is negotiating a joint-venture agreement with the Swire Group, a Hong Kong-based developer with offices in Miami, to develop the Brickell Avenue project.

Projects with more than 200,000 square feet of non-residential use or over 200 residential units trigger the need for an MUSP. The developers now have two years in which to get building permits and begin building, said a city planner who is familiar with the project, but who wished to remain anonymous.

http://www.cpnonline.com/cpn/property_type/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002728233

Mileage MAN :rock: , please tell me :righton: , the 793 foot FlatIron :cool: Tower went before the City of Miami commission last thursday,

WAS it Approved ??? :dunno:

I got to know, please and also 2121 Biscayne :cool: Tower at 222 Feet went to the City , at the same time, Was it Approved :dunno: , ??? many others also was there, it was a full day in the commission :gunz: , Please let me know any others approved ??? :dunno: :cheers:

dave8721

June 28th, 2006, 07:49 PM

Mileage MAN :rock: , please tell me :righton: , the 793 foot FlatIron :cool: Tower went before the City of Miami commission last thursday,

WAS it Approved ??? :dunno:

I got to know, please and also 2121 Biscayne :cool: Tower at 222 Feet went to the City , at the same time, Was it Approved :dunno: , ??? many others also was there, it was a full day in the commission :gunz: , Please let me know any others approved ??? :dunno: :cheers:

Yes 600 Brickell, Flatiron and 2121 Biscayne were all approved.

umiami305

June 29th, 2006, 03:57 AM

Here are some pics from today.

500 Brickell

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2798/dsc037879uy.png

The Plaza on Brickell

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3667/dsc037845lr.png

Brickell on the River II

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/848/dsc037858fk.png

Avenue

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/1941/dsc037825jp.png

MIAballinboi

June 29th, 2006, 04:50 AM

nice, go cranes!

mileageman

June 29th, 2006, 06:08 AM

600 Brickell (http://www.edzuck.com/files/pdf/600_Brickell.pdf)

dach2k5

June 29th, 2006, 04:08 PM

It's really amazing how many buildings are at almost exactly the same phase of construction. I would think there are going to be 15 to 25 condos done between 18 and 30 months from now easily.

dave8721

June 30th, 2006, 07:53 PM

Is it just me or does the Infinity constuction progress look a bit odd. Its as off they are building it in peices. Maybe those are the cores going up first but they sure dont look like cores to me:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/dave8721/infiity.jpg

The Mad Hatter!!

June 30th, 2006, 11:54 PM

wtf?ok they're progress is quite slow, i'm guessing that this is another core-first building, and there are three seperate cores because the parking which would need more than one core. but either way the structure looks a little funky, I wish we could get a shot from about 10-15 ft up, but anyways its the most akward parking i've seen since it shouldn't be cut up into cubicles, maybe its the units which will be lining the parking?

umiami305

July 9th, 2006, 10:15 AM

Here are some pics taken today.

Infinity
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4066/dsc038558gi.png
Axis
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4522/dsc038153sy.png
Axis
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8642/dsc038164mf.png]
Icon Brickell
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5064/dsc038545qn.png

umiami305

July 9th, 2006, 10:19 AM

Looks like the Premiere Towers are officially dead.:pet:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4794/dsc038639wc.png

Miami as in Perfect

July 9th, 2006, 05:05 PM

What are the odds of another developer buying the lot and the plans, with all of these dead projects, and building the towers that were planned to go up?

Toucano

July 9th, 2006, 08:18 PM

I'd say, completely Nil

BornInTheGrove

July 9th, 2006, 10:37 PM

What are the odds of another developer buying the lot and the plans, with all of these dead projects, and building the towers that were planned to go up?
I don't know the odds, but if that happens, i would nominate that developer for saint hood, for performing a miracle.

Dale

July 10th, 2006, 12:04 AM

I can tell you that a few years back, that the design for an office tower planned for Tampa was purchased and built in downtown Orlando.

spellbound

July 10th, 2006, 10:26 AM

I can tell you that a few years back, that the design for an office tower planned for Tampa was purchased and built in downtown Orlando.

It's true.

The "Minnie Mouse Centre" was slated for a prime piece of downtown Tampa real estate before those wealthy vampires from Orlando swooped in and built in at the corner of Cinderella Avenue and Dumbo Street ;)

dave8721

July 10th, 2006, 03:06 PM

The Skyline on Brickell and the Skyline at MBV both changed hands in the preconstruction process.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

July 12th, 2006, 01:18 AM

The Skyline on Brickell and the Skyline at MBV both changed hands in the preconstruction process.

DAVE :rock: , yes its true :righton: , But I know the new owner Angelina " what's her last name ", Will start the 30 floor Skyline at Mary Brickell Village condo tower on top of the parking garage later this summer :cheers:

last report by her, their over 50 % sold out.. :applause:

SayHelloToMyLilFrein

July 12th, 2006, 02:46 AM

well those buildings are very attractive so they have a good chance.Dont forget this is the magic city.I think its nothing more than just a delay.I have a good feeling about these towers. :cheers:

dave8721

July 20th, 2006, 07:53 PM

Just to the south of Brickell at Mercy Hospital the expected firestorm over the Related buldings to go on Hospital land is beginning:

http://www.miamisunpost.com/thirdstoryfrontpage.htm

Mercy Zoning
Board Delays Decision on Hospital Property Until September Meeting

“Obviously there was a deal cut.” — Miami Zoning Board Vice Chair Juvenal Pina

By Angie Hargot

The Miami Zoning Board, decided to table an amendment that would have changed the zoning of an increasingly controversial chunk of property owned by Mercy Hospital. During its July 10 meeting.

If passed, the amendment sought by TRG MH Venture Ltd. would change the 6.7-acre piece of land from the current GI “government and institutional” classification to the proposed level R-4. The R-4 zoning would allow the purchasers and developers of the land located at 3663 S. Miami Ave. to construct high-density residential high-rises. The current GI classification restricts usage of the $96 million piece of Mercy’s approximately 42 acres to institutions under 50 feet in height such as schools, hospitals, assisted living facilities, museums and cemeteries.

TRG MH Venture Ltd., the contracted purchaser of the land, is a joint venture between The Related Group of Florida, headed by Jorge Perez, and Ocean Land Equities, a partnership of limited companies owned by Mark Issenman, Jean Francois Roy and Diane Chateuneuf Roy.

While the R-4 classification carries no height restrictions, Lucia Dougherty, attorney for TRG MH, asserted that the three towers would consist of a maximum of 300 “much larger, high-end luxury units” of more than 2,000 square feet each, and would actually create less of a traffic problem than the medical offices Mercy could build there. But a trio of citizens spoke out against the project, concerned about their ever-burgeoning Miami landscape and a possible traffic debacle in the future.

“This is not an issue of density; it is an issue of height. They want to sell expensive, high-level water views,” said Carol Garvin, who lives a stone’s throw from the proposed project.

The three proposed towers would range from 27 to 37 stories, with the tallest one reaching 304 feet.

Garvin and other critics have also accused the contract purchasers of “paying off” nearby neighborhoods to not oppose the project. “Some of the neighbors that should be objecting to these high-rises have been bought with a monetary settlement,” she said.

Dougherty and Tucker Gibbs, the attorney for Natoma Manors and Bay Heights, either denied knowledge of, or declined to comment on, knowledge of cash payoffs.

“Nobody has any evidence that any money [was exchanged],” Dougherty said. “And I haven’t seen any agreement.”

Gibbs said the question was “not relevant to [the board’s] decision,” and asserted privilege would not allow him to discuss any related contracts.

Assistant City Attorney George K. Wysong echoed the sentiment. “We don’t endorse, support or favor those agreements,” he said. “All we have in front of us is a zoning issue.”

“Obviously there was a deal cut,” said Vice Chair Juvenal Pina. “It’s clear.”

Zoning Board member Joseph Ganguzza was openly skeptical about the zoning change. Once developers unveiled the graphical depiction of the proposed towers, Ganguzza was taken aback. “That’s incredible,” he said. “Luxury buildings for fat cats.”

Ganguzza indicated that if the issue had been put to a vote now, he’d have voted against it. The vote was pushed back in reaction to citizens’ accusations that residents were not adequately notified of the project. The law says residents within 500 yards must be notified, but there was some debate about whether the distance was accurately calculated, considering that distance, measured in a circle, would put a bit of the notification area in Biscayne Bay.

“I was not notified,” said neighboring resident Raul Ramirez. “They used the center of the lot as an epicenter. They notified themselves, the Archdiocese and a few neighbors. They should have notified the manatees and the fishes.”

Wysong clarified the language, specifying the proper notification distance is 500 yards from the subject property line.

“We work very hard [on relations] with our neighbors,” Dougherty said, asserting all the proper notifications were performed.

“Do you know how many neighbors were notified? Seventy-two,” Ramirez told the SunPost.

Board member Ganguzza and Chairperson Ileana Hernandez-Acosta indicated they were among the neighbors of the project who didn’t know about it.

In light of the possible communication gap, Hernandez-Acosta suggested continuing the motion to the September 11 meeting once the few residents present made “a commitment” to get their neighbors to attend and that a representative of Mercy Hospital would be present to address some of the concerns of board members.

Although Dougherty said the proceeds from the sale of the land would be a “high infusion of money [for Mercy] to better the community,” most at the meeting seemed unimpressed.

“Mercy is a private hospital,” said Hernandez-Acosta. “They’re not public, and they charge an arm and a leg.”

“That property was donated by the Deering Estate,” Garvin said. “Mercy hospital should keep its land for the future.”

The motion to continue the item passed 5-3.

Comments? E-mail letters@miamisunpost.com.

Dale

July 20th, 2006, 08:03 PM

MiamiSpartan on SSP is saying that Capital on Brickell is dead.

Anyone know anything ?

dach2k5

July 20th, 2006, 09:26 PM

I love those buildings. Their design is pretty nice, but as i mentioned before, any project that has not poured its foundation by now is in serious jeopardy of not being built.

Sales are probably at a total crawl right now for buildings in the sales phase. And for buildings that sold a while ago, rising costs and fixed revenues means that deals might no longer work. Either way, you'll probably see a lot of "planned" projects die over the next 6 months.

MiamiSpartan on SSP is saying that Capital on Brickell is dead.

Anyone know anything ?

Dale

July 20th, 2006, 09:33 PM

I love those buildings. Their design is pretty nice, but as i mentioned before, any project that has not poured its foundation by now is in serious jeopardy of not being built.

Sales are probably at a total crawl right now for buildings in the sales phase. And for buildings that sold a while ago, rising costs and fixed revenues means that deals might no longer work. Either way, you'll probably see a lot of "planned" projects die over the next 6 months.

Well, no doubt that general trends are as you say, and that lots of planned projects won't make it. I'm just inquiring as to whether anyone has any specific info on Capital.

brickell

July 20th, 2006, 10:24 PM

Haven't heard anything but it didn't Capital have a relatively large office section to it as well? I would think that would help their chances.

dave8721

July 20th, 2006, 10:40 PM

Haven't heard anything but it didn't Capital have a relatively large office section to it as well? I would think that would help their chances.

Over 100,000 sqft of office space actually, and about 48,000 sqft of retail space. By the way, it had just as much office space as the Logik office tower proposal has.

brickell

July 26th, 2006, 08:24 PM

This one - http://www.oneplazawestbrickell.com/ - looks like they're starting to clear the lot. There's a fence and signs up now.

BornInTheGrove

July 27th, 2006, 12:02 AM

http://www.oneplazawestbrickell.com/images/pageholder.jpg

The Mad Hatter!!

July 27th, 2006, 03:07 AM

Is that one right by i95

Toucano

July 27th, 2006, 03:16 AM

I love how they are selling the one part of the building that is likely change or even be non-existant someday...The View...

This is why so many people think that they have the right to sue to preserve the view that they originally purchased...

brickell

July 27th, 2006, 05:41 AM

Is that one right by i95

Yes. It's a triangular lot on SW 1st street with 95 cutting across it. Habitat is nearly finished and barim still has a sign up.

Roark

July 28th, 2006, 05:52 AM

Well, no doubt that general trends are as you say, and that lots of planned projects won't make it. I'm just inquiring as to whether anyone has any specific info on Capital.Again, a very unofficial barometer, but a pretty good indicator....the sales director of Capital has left for a MCZ/Centrum project in Hollywood, Sian. When someone leaves their job and their commissions behind, they must be pretty confident that there aren't going to be any closings.

Dale

July 28th, 2006, 05:45 PM

^ Well, then that cinches it. All of my favorite designs are dead. Well, at least it looks like Miami's getting a new tallest out of this boom.

Sunstorm

July 28th, 2006, 09:07 PM

I wouldn't be quite that gloomy, Dale. I'm not happy to hear that some of the more stylish designs aren't getting built, but with all of the construction that is taking place, Miami's skyline will be reinvented and still look pretty darn good. Naturally, I think we all only wanted the best designs to get built, but, that's not reality. I'm just happy to see everything that's going on, and enjoying the moment. There was for a long time I thought I would never see this many buildings going up in Miami. And, who knows, maybe Mayor Diaz will be able to bring in some big, new companies who will need plenty of new office space? :)

Dale

July 28th, 2006, 09:14 PM

umiami305

July 30th, 2006, 03:49 AM

July 29, 2006
Neo Vertika & Lattitude
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7070/dsc03930jw5.png

spellbound

July 30th, 2006, 12:11 PM

GREAT photos, umiami!

nimbyhater

July 30th, 2006, 05:45 PM

i wish neovertika was higher... im quite fond of it, one of the few buildings that kinda actually looks like its proposal... its nothing spectacular but its pretty nice

Roark

July 31st, 2006, 03:17 AM

ChuckScraperMiami#1

July 31st, 2006, 03:33 AM

Excellent shot again Paul....:applause: I love the Metromover tracks below the Metrorail.
Also, the two Revuelta Buildings. Santa Maria way off in the distance, that is a monster building. It's over a mile south of his NeoVertika, but because of the size it doesn't look that far away.

ROARK :) , also below the Metromover elevated tracks were the Original Henry Flagler Florida East coast railway tracks straight over the Miami River down to Homestead and then to Key West over a 100 years ago !!! :runaway:

:) The embeded tracks are still there on S.W. 2nd Street at the construction entrance gate to the IVY Condo tower site, I watch and step on these tracks alot to bring a feeling of what rode on these tracks some 100 years ago, and now still buried with Asphalt for the street with potholes there and the tracks are coming back in the quacks in the street, and the ends are there to see its still the old Henry Flagler tracks. :cheers:

:) to get that feeling , go there yourself, Its still there, with an old parking lot accross the street from the gate leading into the IVY construction site. The S.W. 2nd street is still old and touched up patches , but the railroad tracks are still there underneath the road at the High Tresstles holding the MetroRail getting ready to cross the Miami River. :cheers:

spellbound

July 31st, 2006, 11:33 AM

ROARK :) , also below the Metromover elevated tracks were the Original Henry Flagler Florida East coast railway tracks straight over the Miami River down to Homestead and then to Key West over a 100 years ago !!! :runaway:

:) The embeded tracks are still there on S.W. 2nd Street at the construction entrance gate to the IVY Condo tower site, I watch and step on these tracks alot to bring a feeling of what rode on these tracks some 100 years ago, and now still buried with Asphalt for the street with potholes there and the tracks are coming back in the quacks in the street, and the ends are there to see its still the old Henry Flagler tracks. :cheers:

:) to get that feeling , go there yourself, Its still there, with an old parking lot accross the street from the gate leading into the IVY construction site. The S.W. 2nd street is still old and touched up patches , but the railroad tracks are still there underneath the road at the High Tresstles holding the MetroRail getting ready to cross the Miami River. :cheers:

Chuck, you are a CONSTANT source of interesting Miami trivia that I truly enjoy.

As another "old-timer" with an interest in such things, I'm wondering if you ever saw the old trolley tracks behind the Freedom Tower? It was only a few feet of them (at most) but they were still there a decade or so ago...maybe they still are.

I think it was part of the line that went across the MacArthur Causeway (before it was even CALLED the MacArthur Causeway, for that matter)...and kinda neat to "discover" while poking around downtown.

I'll bet plenty more of those old trolley tracks are buried beneath asphalt in Coral Gables (Miracle Mile) and along Flagler Street.

arch photographer

August 1st, 2006, 04:52 PM

I wonder if we'll ever see this building again after Infinity 1 and 2 and Brickell Flatiron and AXIS and all the rest fall into place. Not that I am not loving all of the up and coming, well, most of them. But I won't be too sad as 1B'way falls into the forest[img=http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/7923/espiritonightpubforumxp4.jpg] (http://imageshack.us)[img=http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/474/espforumls4.jpg] (http://imageshack.us)

arch photographer

August 1st, 2006, 04:56 PM

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dave8721

August 1st, 2006, 08:01 PM

Does anyone know what building proposal this was? Its one of those land/plans for sale type of deals and it says its located in "Brickell" and appears to be an interesting looking office building. I'm not sure if the building is a real design or just a made up one to show what could be built there:

http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=14716069&RecentlyViewed=true&ItemIndex=3&PgCxtDir=Down
http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/6/D/F/6DF1BCA2-636C-4F00-B747-2532A7A71F09.jpg

Dale

August 1st, 2006, 08:15 PM

I like it. Sadly, it will never be approved as it has a spire.

*sarcasm*

Verticus

August 1st, 2006, 08:52 PM

UMiami305, great shot of the city with the Metromover tracks. It's these kind of images that inspire movies.

Verticus

August 1st, 2006, 08:55 PM

Archphotographer, thanks for those great pics of my favorite building.

umiami305

August 1st, 2006, 11:16 PM

hello345

August 1st, 2006, 11:38 PM

^ i dont belive so... BTW i just found this www.1450brikell.com

Paul305

August 2nd, 2006, 03:46 AM

Good find. I've never seen this site before but I thought I should mention that there's a typo in your url. It's actually www.1450brickell.com.

hello345

August 2nd, 2006, 05:42 AM

^ oops sorry , i was writing fast and didn't see that i had done that!

dave8721

August 7th, 2006, 08:57 PM

Another building to be crammed into the West Brickell area (this one is in that triangle of I-95 and the metrorail along with Barim, Habitat, One Plaza...etc). Here is Brickell View West, a 13-story condo.

http://www.brickellviewwest.com/home.htm

dave8721

August 14th, 2006, 08:24 PM

From the City of Miami's Large Scale Report (the new map version)

"1001 South Bayshore (Brickell Bay Tower)"

"Residential addition to existing 32-story Brickell Bay Tower 313,383 sq. ft. office building (built 1985). Residential portion is 15 stories/147 feet with 70 units with a total FAR of 87,720 sq. ft. with 52 parking spaces"

Where exactly would this addition go? There isn't much room on the site as the existing building pretty much takes it all up. Would it be added to the roof?

The existing building:
http://www.1001brickellbay.com/images/bldg-front.jpg

rider_of_rohan

August 14th, 2006, 10:23 PM

Added to the roof, hmmm Dave you know that could be the start of something good :D. They could build a 20 story residential addition the Wachovia bldg and we could get our 1000 footer :D.

Dale

August 15th, 2006, 03:08 AM

Meanwhile, we all twiddle our thumbs waiting for Chuck to find out if Miami's actually getting a new tallest out of this historic boom.

rider_of_rohan

August 15th, 2006, 05:38 AM

Meanwhile, we all twiddle our thumbs waiting for Chuck to find out if Miami's actually getting a new tallest out of this historic boom.

Yeah, no doubt. Does anyone know if any of the office towers in the CBD were designed to someday add more floors? That certainly would be faster at getting a new tallest.

BHK27

August 16th, 2006, 02:52 PM

Bobdreamz

August 16th, 2006, 03:24 PM

Yeah, no doubt. Does anyone know if any of the office towers in the CBD were designed to someday add more floors? That certainly would be faster at getting a new tallest.

actually rider of rohan I remember hearing that the garage behind the Wachovia was constructed strong enough to build a tower over it and Southeast Bank eventually had plans to do so.
Does anybody here remember this at all?

dude2006

August 16th, 2006, 03:50 PM

actually rider of rohan I remember hearing that the garage behind the Wachovia was constructed strong enough to build a tower over it and Southeast Bank eventually had plans to do so.
Does anybody here remember this at all?

if they did this, where would parking for the new building go? There's already a dozen or so floors in the original garage, so it would be a mess for the residents of the new building if they were to simply add more parking levels to the garage (I know I wouldn't want to drive through 17 stories of a parking garage)

Rx727sfl2002

August 16th, 2006, 06:41 PM

would be intteresting to see what they plan on doing there from the hieght given i would think its going to fix the parking tower and give it more of a base to add liner units around the building.

bro305

August 16th, 2006, 10:37 PM

dave i dont think there will be anything added to this building.... If you go to the miami large scale report and scroll down to where it says status of this project it says completed

BornInTheGrove

August 16th, 2006, 11:58 PM

if they did this, where would parking for the new building go? There's already a dozen or so floors in the original garage, so it would be a mess for the residents of the new building if they were to simply add more parking levels to the garage (I know I wouldn't want to drive through 17 stories of a parking garage)
Anybody here ever driven up the MDC parking garage @ wolfson campus. One of the best parking garages i've ever been in. 3 points of entry, 3 points of exit. Each level has 2 ramps, one for going up and one for going down with parking available on them as well. But the greatest thing it has is at the center in between the two ramps, it has a 3rd ramp that serves both directions and goes up every two floors (IE, i can go from the 2nd to 4th floor.. from the 4th to 6th... and so on). Why can't more garages be designed this way.

umiami305

August 18th, 2006, 07:08 AM

dave8721

August 18th, 2006, 03:51 PM

Is it me or does the contractors working on The Plaza on brickell seem to be a bit slow? It seems like there are many projects that broke ground way after and have caught up, just about caught up or passed them in height.

Maybe the fact that they are doing two buildings at once? Perhaps they are using the same amount of resouces usually given to one building to it takes twice as long?

BornInTheGrove

August 19th, 2006, 09:25 AM

I drove by ICON/Brickell last night.... massive amount of cement trucks. I saw that North building was already under construction, so maybe one of the other buildings was getting its foundation. But wow, lots of action going on there.

arch photographer

August 19th, 2006, 04:04 PM

Is there anyone else who wishes that the city would insist that construction of an area be done all at once? I just remember how Brickell was torn uo for the Four Seasons and then for Espiritu Santo and then for Jade and then for ICON. Wouldn't it be nice if 900 biscayne and Marquis and Paramount Park and the Freedom Tower all topped off next Sept. so someday we could have Biscayne Blvd back--finished once and for all and Beautiful! Dreaming.

miamicanes

August 19th, 2006, 05:38 PM

The problem is, then nothing would ever get done at all. It's like herding cats. While waiting for developer #3 to get his act together, developer #1 would go back to the architect to tweak things a little more... not finishing by the time #3 was finally ready, so #2 decides to go tweak things more (or change things completely), causing more delays because then developer #4 buys the property next to #2, causing another delay...

That said, the City could probably be a bit more aggressive about cracking the whip and making developers hurry up and minimize their impact on the surrounding area. Say, by imposing daily "public nuissance" fees for things like blocking roads, messing up the sidewalk, etc, set at a level that increases over time to prod developers into riskier (financially) and more aggressive (expensive) construction schedules by increasing the cost of delays and downtime.

dave8721

August 21st, 2006, 10:39 PM

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/miami-dade/cities_neighborhoods/east/15310809.htm

KEY BISCAYNE
Height limits stall hotel progress

Residents and business owners are preparing for the future of the island after the Sonesta Hotel closes for demolition Aug. 31.

BY DAVID SMILEY
dsmiley@MiamiHerald.com

With the closing of the Sonesta Beach Resort on Key Biscayne coming Aug. 31, residents and business owners are bracing for what the three-year demolition and construction process may hold.

Sonesta International Hotels Corp. and Fortune International Realty are waiting to approve blueprints for what they say will be a U-shaped hotel after they withdrew plans for six towers because village staff said their height would violate Key Biscayne's master plan.

Meanwhile, a group of about 25 residents from the Holiday Colony neighborhood adjacent to the hotel hired attorney Tucker Gibbs to draft a measure to impose an 80-foot height limit on hotels -- or 120 feet if floors are built in steps -- and require they be built 100 feet away from residential areas, said Dr. Michael Kelly, a Holiday Colony resident.

''We're trying to make redevelopment consistent with what should be on the Key,'' Kelly said.

Councilman Thomas Thornton will bring the ordinance to the council Aug. 29 for discussion.

''This doesn't mean I'm taking sides,'' Thornton said. ``All I want to do is raise a discussion. It's obvious that our current regulations aren't designed to handle the potential for redevelopment.''

The Sonesta's owners proposed in March to change the resort's zoning to ''Planned Unit Development'' -- which conforms zoning to building plans -- in order to build six towers to replace the hotel which opened in 1969.

The owners said the hotel has lost money since fall 2001 and can't compete with resorts like the neighboring Ritz Carlton Grand Bay and the Four Seasons on Brickell Avenue.

But they withdrew their request in May after village staff pointed out the proposed towers' 182-foot height would exceed the 150 feet allowed in Key Biscayne's master plan. The current hotel is 110 feet tall.

''I 100 percent agree that our development should be consistent with the rest of the Key,'' Alan Sonnabend, vice president of Sonesta development and a member of the owning family, said. ``We're going to be a lot smaller than several other buildings.''

The towers plan met widespread opposition from residents, many of whom worried that the inclusion of 37 condo units and large guest rooms with full kitchens would lead to overcrowding.

The draft ordinance also includes language that defines what a hotel room is.

''The idea that the Key is changing is irrefutable, and I think Sonesta recognizes that,'' Mayor Robert Oldakowski said. ``The challenge is to come up with something that fits the Key.''

Oldakowski said he welcomes the discussion and that it's possible the village may need to establish a zoning ordinance review committee like the one created in 1999 that drafted zoning regulations for the Key.

In addition to residents' worries over what will rise in the current hotel's place, business owners are concerned over what will be missing during the three-year demolition and construction process: tourists.

Last year, 127,000 guests stayed at the Sonesta, Lorie Juliano, spokeswoman for the hotel, said.

Kathye Susnjer, executive director of the Key Biscayne Chamber of Commerce, said the absence of Sonesta customers could be devastating to some businesses, especially restaurants.

''Business owners are holding their breath,'' Susnjer said.

Rodrigo Gonzalez, co-owner of Costa Med, said on a good day his restaurant serves 15 to 20 Sonesta guests.

''I don't want to think about it, but I'm worried,'' said Gonzalez, whose restaurant is located in The Square Shopping Center, just a short walk from the Sonesta.

Gonzalez was especially concerned that if the hotel's closing is combined with a hurricane strike the results could be disastrous for him.

Susnjer said the chamber has plans in the works to create a visitor center that would draw visitors of Bill Baggs Cape Florida State Park into Key Biscayne businesses and restaurants.

But, before the chamber has to deal with the absence of the Sonesta, it is encouraging people to gather at the Sonesta one last time, on Aug. 26, for dinner.

''We're doing this just to show our appreciation because they've been such a true supporter of our community,'' Susnjer said.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

August 22nd, 2006, 01:19 AM

DAVE, Thanks for that update on the Sonesta Hotel on Key Biscayne,
we need more updates like the ones you are posting, It means alot to us in news
Its almost like reading the Herald, but its better this way. Thanks !!!

umiami305

August 23rd, 2006, 04:09 AM

I drove by Capital at Brickell today and almost rear-ended someone when I looked over and saw them clearing the lot. We might see Capital rise from the earth after all. :pepper:
8/22/06
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mileageman

August 23rd, 2006, 04:30 AM

Yes I saw the action at Capital Brickell as well. The sign says gryphon, that is the same construction company building everglades on the bay for Cabi. The project is listed on their website:

http://www.gryphonconstruction.net/

Pablo63090

August 23rd, 2006, 04:33 AM

Great update. From what I see, The Interterra Building is patched up, and 1221 Brickell & ESP are being worked on.

rider_of_rohan

August 23rd, 2006, 04:42 AM

That is promising as these are great buildings. Love them. And at 649 and 607 feet not to shabby on height either. Lets hope this works out.

miami1

August 23rd, 2006, 11:24 AM

On the last pic I see the word Gryphon spray painted on the fence. Is that the contractor for this project? Thats the same contractor for Everglades on the bay...and it looks like they are doing a fine job on that project...another encouraging sign... :)

Ups...nevermind, Mileageman already answered that question. The website mentions that they are providing "Preconstruction Services"

MY ROSE IS PINK

August 23rd, 2006, 11:41 AM

ahhh nice photos thank god. I was getting depressed to many people hatting on here. It almost seems like there are spies on here trying to hurt the building boom with negative comments." to all developers" a bubble burst is a bunch of shit talk from jelouse people who wish their city was building like the majic city "Miami we are on top" They will try to stop us but not even a catagory 5 hurricane could do that. 'andrew 92"

dave8721

August 23rd, 2006, 04:00 PM

Good to see Infinity getting vertical on the other side of the metromover tracks in the second pic.

dach2k5

August 23rd, 2006, 05:40 PM

I've heard some rumors from some Lenders that construction costs are going down. With some projects completing and fewer new projects getting out of the ground, they are seeing some of the trades being bought out for lower cost. This is good news obviously as lower costs means that there is a better chance that buildings get built. However, the pre-sales and resales market is still extremely slow.

umiami305

August 23rd, 2006, 07:48 PM

8/22/06
Infinity
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2717/dsc04044et2.png
Brickell on the River II
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Plaza at Brickell
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4921/dsc04003np3.png

rider_of_rohan

August 23rd, 2006, 09:03 PM

UMIAMI, U the man :D. Always great photos.

kmia

August 23rd, 2006, 09:54 PM

is citi center still alive??

knas167

August 24th, 2006, 01:21 AM

I drove by Capital at Brickell today and almost rear-ended someone when I looked over and saw them clearing the lot. We might see Capital rise from the earth after all. :pepper:

Great! I think that one might be my favorite out of the whole boom. If it is built, I will be a happy man.

Chuck...Since you love the cranes so much, you should take a ride into Brickell on the metro and have a look(from the Brickell station) at the layering of projects shown in these pictures. I looks like something from Dubai. My camera is out of service at the moment, otherwise I would take a picture

BornInTheGrove

August 24th, 2006, 04:27 AM

is citi center still alive??
dude, i completely forgot about this one... how bout it? what's the status of these?

MIAballinboi

August 24th, 2006, 04:28 AM

umiami great job again

dave8721

August 24th, 2006, 02:28 PM

dude, i completely forgot about this one... how bout it? what's the status of these?

Who knows. It was never launched in the first place. Just getting their plans in and approved before Miami21 incase they ever want to develop the property in the future?

Miaminole

August 30th, 2006, 01:07 AM

Has any other work occured at Capital? Hope so. Havent been by there in a bit.

umiami305

August 30th, 2006, 03:13 AM

I went by today and noticed a lot of rebar on the site. :carrot:

BornInTheGrove

August 30th, 2006, 04:05 AM

rebar...... niiiiiiice

dave8721

September 1st, 2006, 03:10 PM

Could it be?? Of course it just says "scheduled" to break ground...

An article from August 29th:

http://www.multi-housingnews.com/multihousing/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003054685

Developer to Break Ground on Luxury Mixed-Use Development in Miami

By Kelly Sheehan, Online News Editor

AUGUST 29, 2006 -- Miami -- Cabi Developers, a local construction company, is scheduled to break ground at the end of the year on Capital Brickell, a luxury mixed-use community, designed by Fullerton Diaz Architects, located here. Construction is slated for completion in 2009, Cessie Ceratto, a spokesperson for the project, told MHN.

Nick Luaces Design Associates will design the project’s interior and marketing and sales are being handled by Marka-Tech Associates. Units have been on sale since the summer of 2005.

The cosmopolitan development, which is in the Brickell financial district at 1420 South Miami Ave., will have views of Simpson Park, Biscayne Bay and the Miami skyline. The development will consist of two residential towers that have been designed with contemporary architecture. The 53- and 57-story towers will also be located on 2.6 acres of land.

The towers will feature 864 condominium studio, loft, one-, two- and three-bedroom units. The development will also include more than 97,000 square feet of office space along with more than 47,000 square feet of retail space that will include restaurants, shops and service-oriented businesses.

“Our neoclassical skyscraper design is reminiscent of the Chrysler Tower and the Empire State Building which gives Capital at Brickell a true New York look and feel,” said Jacobo Cababie, principal of Cabi Developers. “This lavishly indulging recreational deck will bring home the South Florida touch of resort-style, luxury living. It’s our way to combine the best of both worlds.”

Units are priced from $400,000 to over $1 million and range from 1,000 to 2,2000 square feet. Amenities will include private balconies with glass or metal railings, nine-foot ceilings, floor-to-ceiling windows, washing and drying machines, Smart Technology panels and assigned parking. Units’ kitchens will feature stainless steel appliances, European cabinetry and granite countertops. Master bathrooms will have marble floors, designer fixtures and frameless shower enclosures.

Residents will have access to a gated entrance to the complex’s garage, security system, 24-hour valet service, three-level fitness center and health spa, basketball court and lounge with party, card and billiards room. The towers will also feature a theatre, pool deck, cabanas, pool bar, whirlpool, café, gourmet grocery store, beauty salon and dry cleaners.

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mileageman

September 14th, 2006, 11:50 PM

Icon Brickell live webcam (http://www.iconbrickell.com/camera.html)

mileageman

September 14th, 2006, 11:51 PM

CABI HONORED: Cabi Developers officials will head to London in November to pick up their 2006 International Property Award for Best Florida Development, won by Capital at Brickell, their mixed-use, 834-unit residential condominium. The International Property Awards reviews entries from around the world. "It is a true honor to be acknowledged by a global organization," said Jacobo Cababie, Cabi CEO. Details: (305) 960-9998 or www.capitalatbrickell.com.

Dale

September 15th, 2006, 12:49 AM

dach2k5

September 15th, 2006, 05:25 PM

I love the capital condo. I really hope it gets built.

Rx727sfl2002

September 22nd, 2006, 01:50 PM

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1646/axo4evr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3237/towerseatw5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

dave8721

September 22nd, 2006, 02:28 PM

arch photographer

September 22nd, 2006, 02:30 PM

WHAT?! What is that? It looks really good! Does it have a name? As I guess it has been made very clear on this forum I can't stand slapping traditional or classical elements onto modern buildings, so it's great how this project steals away visual importance from the towers with red tile roofs next door to the left, and from the uninteresting post modern stepped thing to its right. RX do you have any other info on this, who is the architect.....Arquitectonica? It has a strong, ordered, clean, International Style quality that will be great for the waterfront.

dave8721

September 22nd, 2006, 10:04 PM

A new MUSP went before the UDRB the other day and its on the development spreadsheet as "Columbus Centre" at 1492 South Miami Ave. This is the triangle of land between Capital & 15th Road. No details are given yet, but wasn't Columbus Centre the name of the office building that was to do where 50 Biscayne is now?

http://www.miamigov.com/planning/pages/Boards/UDRB092006.pdf

brickell

September 22nd, 2006, 11:08 PM

with an address or 1492 South Miami Ave. Nice!

Dale

September 23rd, 2006, 02:33 AM

Rx posted a more rudimentary pic of this building months ago.

Rx727sfl2002

September 23rd, 2006, 03:43 AM

SIEGER SAUREZ IS THE ARCHITECT

Dale

September 23rd, 2006, 04:20 AM

Looks to be well over 500'.

Roark

September 23rd, 2006, 05:06 AM

??? Where would that go? It looks like its sitting on the Four Ambassadors property. I'm sure the people in the southern most FA tower would love having that building wall off their view of the bay. Since its on their property, they are choosing to develop a tower that will block their own views?There is an old waterfront ballroom space that takes up the waterfront in front of the southernmost 4Ambassadors tower (990 Brickell Bay Drive) and this nice big tower (with balconies) will sit on top.
The 4 Ambassadors was originally developed as a hotel, and now that it's a condo, I would imagine that the ballroom is underutilized. Since that space was deeded seperately, the developer was able to sell off the rights to another developer.

Rx727sfl2002

September 24th, 2006, 02:30 AM

JADE IS 528 FEET TALL AND THIS IS TALLER THE JADE

BornInTheGrove

September 24th, 2006, 03:01 AM

u know, i was gonna say... cuz in that second rendering, it looked to be just about the same height as jade, if not just a bit taller

dach2k5

September 26th, 2006, 03:12 PM

Update on Capital at Brickell.

I heard (can't reveal my source) that the first tower has presales to build but the 2nd isn't even close. Their permit is for the 2 towers only. They want to just build the base and the first tower now and build the 2nd later if it is feasible financially. They are going to need to get their permit altered to do that. If everything works out they are going to get going on the first tower near the end of the year.

There's a chance the 2nd tower gets built as a mixed use project w/ more office space.

dave8721

September 26th, 2006, 03:47 PM

umiami305

September 28th, 2006, 05:23 AM

Brickell on the River II(9/25/06)
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Avenue(9/25/06)
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Axis(9/25/06)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/umiami305/DSC04322.jpg

Infinity(9/25/06)
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Icon Brickell(9/25/06)
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Plaza at Brickell(9/25/06)
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500 Brickell(9/25/06)
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MIAballinboi

September 28th, 2006, 09:33 PM

nice brickell update!

dave8721

September 28th, 2006, 10:50 PM

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/060928/story1.shtml

Related Group's Mercy condo project suffers second setback

By Catherine Lackner
Miami's Planning Advisory Board has handed The Related Group another setback in its quest to build 300 Grove Bay Residences, a three-tower condominium envisioned to rise from a parking lot at Mercy Hospital, on Biscayne Bay in Coconut Grove.
The board voted last week to recommend that the Miami City Commission deny a Major Special Use Permit and a change to the city's Comprehensive Land Use Plan, which would allow the project to go forward. The city's zoning board also had rejected a rezoning request Sept. 11.
The hospital at 3663 S. Miami Ave., built in 1950, sits across South Miami Avenue from a neighborhood of mostly single-family homes and low-rise condominiums.
Opponents say the three towers, ranging from 27 to 37 stories, would be out of scale with the area and would add density, traffic problems and noise.
"These would be the tallest buildings in this part of Coconut Grove," said resident Patrick Goggins. "They would be twice as high as any building within a one-mile radius."
Related, which has agreed to buy the land from the hospital for $96 million pending a zoning change, says the 300-unit condominium project, with prices per unit ranging from $3 million to $15 million, is the best use of the land.
To build it, the company had requested a change of zoning from government institutional to R-4, multifamily residential.
Under current zoning, a developer could build a 1 million-square-foot medical office building with no height restrictions, which Related says will bring more cars and noise into the area than the residential project would. Sister Elizabeth Worley, former chair of Mercy's board and current CEO of Catholic Hospice, said the institution needs "an infusion of cash" and the parking lot parcel had been deliberately landbanked with future development in mind.
Related said the condo project would generate $3.8 million in fees to the city and county, $2.6 million in impact fees alone. The company has also offered to fund traffic improvements on South Miami Avenue and streets leading to the site, and to provide a public walkway along Biscayne Bay, a bicycle path and parks.
But neighbors insisted that allowing the condominium would lead to more development on the Mercy campus, which enjoys highly desirable Biscayne Bay views, though developers would have to request additional land use plan changes and special permits.
They also said that the proposed project attempts to circumvent the so-called Grovenor ordinance, passed in 2004. That ordinance — passed when a former naval reserve site in the Grove was approved for condominium development for the 32-story Grovenor House — seeks to restrict major zoning changes for buildings or sites that have passed from non-profit or governmental ownership into private hands. It stipulates that those properties cannot be developed to a higher density than that of abutting neighborhoods, in this case mostly R-1, or single family residential.
"R-4 is a dangerous precedent," said planning and zoning board chair Arva Moore Parks, in voting against recommending the special use permit and land plan change. "All of Mercy could become R-4. The purpose of our comprehensive land use plan is to protect neighborhoods."
But, "I am for this project," said board member Robert A. Young, who described himself as a lifelong Coconut Grove resident. "We don't want to build just anything on that site. They've got my vote."
Mr. Young, and board members Guillermo A. Revuelta and Tamara Gort, voted to recommend that Related be allowed the changes necessary to begin the project; board members Janice Tarbert and Maria Sardina Mann voted with Ms. Parks to recommend denial.
The Miami City Commission will make the final determination at a meeting in October or November. The commission meets on the second and fourth Thursday of each month.

dave8721

September 29th, 2006, 04:53 PM

Some nice renderings of the Flatiron because you can never see enough of those, plus some ground level shots:

http://www.kobikarp.com/images/flatiron001.jpg

http://www.kobikarp.com/images/flatiron004.jpg

http://www.kobikarp.com/images/flatiron003.jpg

Citi Boi

September 29th, 2006, 08:25 PM

umiami305 Great pictures!
They make me want to pee in my pants! So exciting!

ChuckScraperMiami#1

October 1st, 2006, 07:45 AM

DAVE, happy 2,000 Posts and MORE !!!

In your Opinion, Do you really think FlatIron has a chance of being built any time soon, Maybe in the next 10 years, Its Just not in my dreams of 2012, ITS Just Not there !!!, lol.

dave8721

October 17th, 2006, 08:23 PM

A whole bunch of rebar and other construction stuff being dropped off at the Capital site:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/dave8721/capital-1.jpg

Dale

October 17th, 2006, 11:42 PM

Okay, this and get Met 3 started and I promise not to complain (much) anymore.

MIAballinboi

October 18th, 2006, 12:08 AM

http://www.kobikarp.com/images/flatiron001.jpg

whats that tallest building in the foreground on the left?

ChuckScraperMiami#1

October 18th, 2006, 12:31 AM

MIABallinboi,

That;s INFINITY 2, its at 65 floors, in the future, about 2012 will be completed

trickykid

October 18th, 2006, 08:22 AM

umiami305

October 18th, 2006, 08:48 AM

That looks like an approximation of the Capital project maybe? Infinity was supposed to be on SW 13th Street and S Miami ave i thought, a block north of there... One defintely can't take a rendering as solid truth
^Yes tricky, I agree. If anything its an old approximation of Capital at Brickell when it was 803 or so feet. Now the tallest tower in the Capital project was reduced to 57 stories at 649ft. Both Infinity I and II are north of there.

dave8721

October 18th, 2006, 09:13 PM

The 10,000th post in the development forum..wohoo.

The Rilea group has 1080 Brickell up on their site now. Nothing fancy, almost has a loft 3 look to it.
http://www.rileagroup.com/projects1.htm

http://www.rileagroup.com/fotos/1080Brickell/1.jpg

http://www.rileagroup.com/fotos/1080Brickell/3.jpg

http://www.rileagroup.com/fotos/1080Brickell/2.jpg

dave8721

October 23rd, 2006, 04:14 PM

The city updated the development spreadsheet for the first time in a while and they provided some details on this "Columbus Centre" for 1492 South Miami Ave:

Height: 56 stories, 710 feet
Use: Mixed-Use: 219 condos, 234 hotel rooms, 211,449 sqft of office space, 6512 sqft of retail. 348 parking spaces.

http://www.miamigov.com/Planning/pages/land_development/LargeScaleDev.asp

rider_of_rohan

October 24th, 2006, 05:32 PM

Ok Im tired you and your petition. You posted it in about every damn thread, dont you think that is enough???

dave8721

October 24th, 2006, 08:58 PM

BornInTheGrove

October 24th, 2006, 09:51 PM

any renderings?

knas167

October 24th, 2006, 10:48 PM

^^ would this be next to Capital at Brickell?

ChuckScraperMiami#1

October 24th, 2006, 11:49 PM

Ok Im tired you and your petition. You posted it in about every damn thread, dont you think that is enough???

Rider of ROHAN:hi: , you ok my friend,:cool:
who are you referring too :dunno: ???
I know your not talking about Dave:applause: , Right, He's doing a great job here on updates.:booze:

rider_of_rohan

October 25th, 2006, 05:02 AM

Rider of ROHAN:hi: , you ok my friend,:cool:
who are you referring too :dunno: ???
I know your not talking about Dave:applause: , Right, He's doing a great job here on updates.:booze:

No way Chuck, Dave is the bomb. Im talking about another poster who posted a petition about building a stadium in just about every thread that has posters in it. His post is now gone from this thread..he must have pissed off someone with power :)

dave8721

October 25th, 2006, 02:38 PM

^^ would this be next to Capital at Brickell?

Yes, there is a triangle of land separating Capital from SW 15th Rd (Broadway). Thats where this is to go (between 14th terrace & 15th road & S Miami Ave).

dave8721

October 26th, 2006, 05:04 PM

The property just to the west of Vue is up for sale and comes with approvals for a 29-story tower. Looks like it was originally supposed to be connected to Vue (formerly Summit Brickell View) by an elevated walkway:

http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/ProfileSE.aspx?LID=14851010&linkcode=10850&sourcecode=1lww2t006a00001

Rx727sfl2002

October 26th, 2006, 10:32 PM

yes summit properties had 3 phases of construction

phase one was 15 story (yellow apt buildings)
phase two was the 39 story view apts (converted into condos)
phase three was a 29 story apt (never completed)

news was on the brickell homeowners association quaterly newspaper
but nothing ever surfaced as far as construction or plans until now.

Toucano

October 26th, 2006, 10:43 PM

The whole thing should have been left as rental units...They only decided to go Condo to try and cash in on the real estate frenzy occuring at the time...

Rx727sfl2002

October 27th, 2006, 06:40 AM

you cant blame them if you recall

cite on the bay = was rental property from finger brothers
opera tower = was rental property

brickell bay club = was rental property
park place/broadway = was rental property
summit view = was rental property
the mark/yacht club = was rental
oakwood/yacht club II = stayed rental

the courts at brickell key = was rental
isola bay on brickell key = was rental

not to mention how many others went condo convertion to ride the wave
i wouldnt be surprised to see new projects go rental now

Toucano

October 27th, 2006, 04:20 PM

What a shame, all those should have remained rental properties as well....

dave8721

October 27th, 2006, 05:05 PM

What a shame, all those should have remained rental properties as well....

In a sense many of them still are. A good chunk of the units in Vue & the Club are rented out by the individual owners. Many renters simply went from renting from the owner of the building to renting from the owner of the unit. Of course its a bit of a step down for the renter when it comes to maintenance since rather than having to contact the desk downstairs with issues, now they are having to contact the owner of the unit who often is living in Brazil or Venezuela. Plus when an apartment building goes condo and the owners of the condos turn around and rent them back out, they usually do so at a much higher price than the apartment building was able to charge.

Toucano

October 27th, 2006, 10:00 PM

Exactly why I say that it's a shame...

Roark

October 28th, 2006, 07:13 AM

Roark

October 28th, 2006, 07:15 AM

you cant blame them if you recall:
cite on the bay = was rental property from finger brothersCite was actually converted by MCZ/Centrum. They are responsible for Flamingo South 562 units, and announcing very soon Flamingo North 614 units. The plan is to sell the center tower 512 units completing what is the largest condo conversion in the United States, 1,688 total units.
By the way...there wil be studio apartments starting in the low $200's....amazing for a waterfront South Beach apartment.

Rx727sfl2002

October 28th, 2006, 10:32 AM

well lets not forget that properties like emerald where supposed to be a hotel just as fortune house was also supposed to be a hotel...

A LITTLE HISTORY ON A DEVELOPER

"lisette calderon-neo-neovertika has done well for herself she came from nyc and worked on fortune house with terramark and millenium properties 1998 later she went to work for george perez related group and then she branched out on her own and did neo and neovertika and then the river village and lets not forget she filed suit against infinity at brickell for stealing her floor plan ideas from her neovertika project. great story on how to learn from your mentors and be competition"

Paul305

November 6th, 2006, 04:42 PM

Spring Start Set for 559-Unit Condo Project (http://www.globest.com/news/776_776/miami/150393-1.html)
By Natalie Keith

MIAMI-Developers are planning to break ground by the end of 2007 on the 69-story, 559-unit Infinity II Lofts at Brickell at 1300 South Miami Ave. The project, the second phase of the Infinity at Brickell condominium project, will include one-, two-, and three-bedroom loft residences ranging in size from ranging in size from 904 to 4,600 sf. The project will also include office condominiums ranging from 504 to 2,059 sf and ground-floor retail space. Prices for the condominium units will range from the low $500,000s to more than $2.5 million. The project is expected to be completed in late 2009.

The build is being undertaken by DYL Group, which recently acquired a majority interest in Fort Lauderdale-based Colonial Development Group, the developer of Infinity at Brickell. DYL Group is led by CEO John Yanopoulos and chairman Lawrence Duprey. Other projects being undertaken by DYL Group include the condominium project Europa-by-the-sea in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea and the W Fort Lauderdale Hotel and Residences, the first W brand hotel condominium in Florida. The architect of record on the project is Reinaldo Borges, of Borges + Associates and the interior designer is Perkins & Will.

Yanopoulos tells GlobeSt.com that a project cost has not yet been determined. He adds that timing of the groundbreaking is dependent upon the construction progress of Infinity at Brickell project. “There’s a point that will be optimal to start construction of Infinity II to make the best use of construction personnel on the job,” he says.

Yanopoulos adds that the project will contain more office condominiums than Infinity due to increased demand for space. “We’re seeing a lot of interest in spaces that range from 800 sf to 1,000 sf,” Infinity II director of sales Vanessa Moya tells GlobeSt.com.

In response to the slowing market, developers are offering special broker incentive packages. DYL will provide 50% of the broker commission at contract and 50% when the construction loan is secured, usually shortly after groundbreaking. Typically, brokers must wait to receive full commissions until after the building is completed and contracts are closed.

The first-phase 56-story, 459-unit Infinity at Brickell at 60 SW 13th St. is under construction. All of the units in the project, which is expected to be completed in June 2008, have been sold, Yanopoulos says.

http://infinity2brickell.com/images/Nightview_Rendering__low_res_.JPG
Photo originally posted by mileageman.

rider_of_rohan

November 6th, 2006, 05:37 PM

Sweet :)

Roark

November 6th, 2006, 07:15 PM

So the sky isn't falling...

nimbyhater

November 7th, 2006, 03:48 PM

beautiful... these are two of my favorite buildings... i had almost given up on them (havent been able to visit here as often as i would like to and have sort have fallen behind) but the other day i was driving through brickell and saw infiniti one going up and almost shit my pants (well not that big a reaction cause that would mean my skyscraper interest was a skyscraper mental problem, but i did scare the crap out of my girlfriend)... anyways... great to see progress on these, although thats an awful long time to wait for infiniti 2, guess well just have to b patient

ChuckScraperMiami#1

November 9th, 2006, 02:50 AM

So the sky isn't falling...

ROARK:) , lol, its the " Sky's the Limit ".:cheers: ,

PAUL:) , thanks for this great update rendering,
WOW , 69 floors in Infinity 2, ??? fantastic !!!:nuts:

Go Cranes !!!:banana:

rider_of_rohan

November 10th, 2006, 12:39 AM

:lol: So the sky isn't falling...

It may be if your a republican :banana: :banana:

Dale

November 10th, 2006, 01:22 AM

Not for those of us who can appreciate a little comic relief.

Roark

November 10th, 2006, 08:45 AM

:lol: It may be if your a republican :banana: :banana:Sorry to be off topic... but ROR started it!!
The first female Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi D-CA, has a daughter. Andrea Pelosi graduated from Columbia University (like many of the downtroden do...) and then she landed a job with NBC (probably had a nice resume).
But seriously folks.....Andrea made an EXCELLENT documentary called "Journey's with George". A must rent/own for anyone that is even half interested in politics. Seroulsly...go get it.

Dale

November 10th, 2006, 11:01 PM

And regarding the first female Speaker of the House, should Republicans get used to saying, "Yes, dear" ?

hello345

November 11th, 2006, 07:48 AM

Does anyone know when the 3rd and 2nd icon brickell towers will start construction? i ve been looking on the icon webcam but nothing seems to be rising from those two sites!

Roark

November 11th, 2006, 09:09 PM

Wow guys...what a weekend so far. Two great parties on the River Thurs&Fri...If you weren't a believer in downtown before, you would be if you attended the Friends of the New World Symphony event last night!!!
The vacant lot on the River directly accross from Bricks Nightclub and next to Big Fish Restaurant was converted to an open air venue with the most amazing ambiance!
The stage was set up with the Bank of America Building lit up beautifully, Lattitude, NeoVertika, about 20 stories of IVY and 24 stories of WIND, Brickell on the River I about 40 stories of Brickell on the River II, aboout 20 stories of 500 Brickell Ave got me very excited!! Then, about every 15 minutes the Metromover cars would cross over the River and the MetroRail would make its pass behind us! At one point a cargo ship moved down the river with coordination from the tugboat and drawbridge operators.
THEN the NWS played for about an hour accompanied by the trip hop band Holmes and Jet. The DJ Holmes worked very well with the Symphony's strings and the gorgeous singer Jet, had a very very sexy voice!!
If you love skyscrapers...this was for you. If you love commerce and urban planning, good government, optimism, this was for you. AND, of course, the music was great too.

When people talk about how great Downtown is "going to be", I'm here to tell you that it IS great now, and getting better and better and better.
The next Friends of the New World Symphony event will be on the bay in South Beach with Star Island and the Miami skyline as the backdrop...go here for more info (https://www.nws.edu/)or check out this article on the Miami Beach Cultural scene (http://archive.salon.com/ent/col/wolf/2000/08/03/miami/index.html)(2000).

arch photographer

November 12th, 2006, 07:37 AM

Damn. That sounds amazing ROARK, I went to itunes for dj holmes and for jet but found nothing

Roark

November 12th, 2006, 05:57 PM

Damn. That sounds amazing ROARK, I went to itunes for dj holmes and for jet but found nothingYeah...I know...I tried too. Evidently, their CD isn't released until Jan. but she was/is a backup and studio vocalist that has worked with a boatload of big names an he too has a great resume. I'll find out tomorrow what the full names are and pass it on.
I spoke with the girl about coming down for the next NWS event which is December 16th at Flamingo...send a Private Message and I'll hook you up with tickets.

dave8721

November 13th, 2006, 09:13 PM

The 56-story 710 foot tall Columbus Centre makes its debut before the Planning Board this wed. the 15th. The 2222 Biscayne office building and an altered taller Lima will be going before the board as well:

http://egov.ci.miami.fl.us/meetings/2006/11/1365_A_Planning_Advisory_Board_06-11-15_Agenda_Short.pdf

arch photographer

November 13th, 2006, 10:40 PM

Sorry but is Columbus centre the 10 Arquitectos Brickell Flatiron? Are they the same? If not any renderings of Columbus Centre or the new LIMA design?

dave8721

November 13th, 2006, 10:50 PM

Sorry but is Columbus centre the 10 Arquitectos Brickell Flatiron? Are they the same? If not any renderings of Columbus Centre or the new LIMA design?

Its a few blocks south-west of the Flatiron site. Its to go on a site that currently houses a couple of low-rises just to the South of the Capital site (just west of One Broadway). I haven't seen a rendering yet.

MIAballinboi

November 14th, 2006, 12:29 AM

ChuckScraperMiami#1

November 14th, 2006, 01:12 AM

just a mini update, i was at the jw marriott brickell this saturday for a party, and looked out the window on the 5th floor to see the city rising in front of me,

especially on us1, on the west side of the street a talll tower going up, around the 30+ floor, nice

go cranes!!

MIAballinboi:banana: , just great :) !!!, and Now for the MIAballinboi Photos:lol: of the Week Update,

Please !!!!:cheers:

FrenchyMiami

November 14th, 2006, 03:57 PM

$280M Loan Finances Condo-Hotel Project
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Epic Residences & Hotel(To read more on the multifamily market and the debt and equity markets, click here.)
MIAMI-Developers have secured a $280-million construction loan for Epic Residences and Hotel, a 55-story condominium and hotel project at 300 Biscayne Way. Construction began in July on the project, which is a joint venture between affiliates of Ugo Columbo, Lionstone Development and Ponte Gadea Group.

The loan, which was provided by Banco Santander Central Hispano SA and Mellon United National Bank, closed Nov. 10. Locally based Bilzin Sumberg attorneys Jim Shindell, Suzanne Amaducci, Robert Siegel and Lori Schumacher represented the developers in the negotiation and structuring of the loan. Israel Alfonso, of Baker & McKenzie LLP, represented Ponte Gadea. A White & Case LLP team led by John Murphy represented the lenders.

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“This project had several suitors. The lender was chosen because of the close relationship it has with Ponte Gadea,” Shindell tells GlobeSt.com.
The architect on the project is Luis Revuelta, of Revuelta Vega Leon. The project will contain both condominiums and hotel rooms. The hotel will occupy 15 of the floors and contain 414 rooms. It will be managed by San Francisco-based Kimpton Hotels & Restaurants.

There will also be 342 one-, two- and three-bedroom condominiums ranging in size from 1,040 sf to 7,840 sf. The units are priced from the $500,000s. The project will contain a rooftop upper penthouse with entertainment rooms and a private terrace atop the tower. “There wasn’t any difficulty obtaining the loan,” Shindell says. “There was a presales requirement for the construction loan but it was lighter than other condominium projects due to the hotel component.”

Among building amenities are a 12,000-sf spa and fitness center, restaurants and lounges overlooking the Miami River and Biscayne Bay, a private boat dock, business center and two pools. Residents of the condominiums will be able to purchase amenities on an a la carte basis.

I like when things go forward...Keep on building and make my dreams come true...Revuelta is so good..

dave8721

November 14th, 2006, 08:29 PM

Its a few blocks south-west of the Flatiron site. Its to go on a site that currently houses a couple of low-rises just to the South of the Capital site (just west of One Broadway). I haven't seen a rendering yet.

One thing i noticed in the documents for Columbus is that is says that the FAA has determined no hazard for the area for 623 feet, anything taller than that has to go through the long wait of trying to get specific clearance from the FAA. I guess Inifnity II got clearance eventually right?

ChuckScraperMiami#1

November 16th, 2006, 01:54 AM

One thing i noticed in the documents for Columbus is that is says that the FAA has determined no hazard for the area for 623 feet, anything taller than that has to go through the long wait of trying to get specific clearance from the FAA. I guess Inifnity II got clearance eventually right?

DAVE:) , True , very true:lol: , FAA Clearance for Both Infinity I at 52 floors at 630 feet, And Infinity II at 65 floors at 732 feet.
They Both will be built:banana: at those heights and in My Dreams of 2012 !!!:nuts:
Go Cranes !!!:banana: :cheers:

P.S. Dale, Infinity I will be the second tallest tower in Brickell in 2008, before the Infinity II goes up and will be completed by 2011 !!!

dave8721

November 16th, 2006, 07:17 PM

http://www.miamigov.com/planning/pages/Boards/UDRB111506.pdf

It looks like they are finally going to do something with the 1451 Brickell Site (across from 1450 Brickell, just south of the Four Season's). Roark, thats a Fortune project right? Do you know what they are doing?

Toucano

November 16th, 2006, 09:01 PM

Something Glass, Slender, and Tall would be beautiful...

BornInTheGrove

November 17th, 2006, 01:50 AM

Something Glass, Slender, and Tall would be beautiful...
couldn't agree more :) :banana: :)

MIAballinboi

November 17th, 2006, 02:30 AM

^well lets hope its not that slender, glass 2 floor retail space that was advertised there a couple months ago, maybe they redesigned it into something good!

spellbound

November 17th, 2006, 01:33 PM

Something Glass, Slender, and Tall would be beautiful...

About 950' of that with NO damn balconies would be nice.

Maybe I'm just cranky because even freakin' places like NASHVILLE (egads) are about to raise the roof with thousand-footers, but when the heck does Miami join the supertall club aside from blueprints, schematics, and "proposals," anyway?

I'm seeing the real deal going up here in Philly with the Comcast Center...Chicago and New York are putting up MULTIPLE 'scrapers that big or higher...not to mention what's going on all across the globe in that regard (especially Asia and the Middle East).

Yeah, I know..."give it time"...but that's the same refrain I heard years ago. It's great---awesome---to see all these condos going up but forgive me if I don't put on a cheerleader dress and pom poms over what it means to the actual skyline...at least how it relates to what's going on with OTHER skylines.

It's not like we live in some static world where Miami is "catching up" while other cities just stand around, y'know? Those guys are building too. And plenty of them are building a LOT taller than what's going up in Miami.

So forgive me for the rant. Maybe it's just the fault of the friggin FAA.

But since this IS "Skyscraper City" I'd like to see some damn dirt turned on something other than yet another marginally tall condo and see Miami put up some real glass and steel power and height instead of wasting its prime spots on forgettable, squat stuff like Met1.

You can't be Chicago if you build like Sao Paulo.

arch photographer

November 17th, 2006, 04:31 PM

I love the commitment to getting a supertall for Miami, especially as the new towers are going up it seems that the skyline is getting to have a flat cap on it like they are all hitting a glass ceiling. It is also great to remember though that creativity and modernity are represented in Miami much better than most places. NY continue to build so many brick buildings with the most uninteresting fenestration because they are "CONTEXTUAL". Contextual to the terrible buildings in the 70's when design was barely considered. As an overall statement, the quality of design in Miami cannot be matched by any city. Being in Miami you are constantly coming upon interesting bold design for even 4 story loft buildings, dotting the whole city. There are exceptions in NY and Chicago, but in Miami bad buildings are the exception not the rule. Most cities in the north are strangled creatively by historical designations and the idea that the character of an area shouldn't be disrupted by veering off that course, instead of realizing that a counterpoint to historical design actually punctuates its importance. Miami is doing a great job of creating a beautiful city. But we still need a masterpeice supertall to puncture that glass ceiling.

Rx727sfl2002

November 17th, 2006, 04:34 PM

Roark

November 19th, 2006, 07:21 AM

It looks like they are finally going to do something with the 1451 Brickell Site (across from 1450 Brickell, just south of the Four Season's). Roark, thats a Fortune project right? Do you know what they are doing? Not sure exactly...but office makes sense. That's the work of Walter...I'll ask him at the Christmas party in a couple of weeks!

rider_of_rohan

November 19th, 2006, 09:29 PM

São Paulo, the capital of the state of São Paulo, is the largest city in Brazil with over 18 million people in its metro area.

OK SO THE LAST TIME THEY SAW SOME HUGE TOWER GO UP WAS 550 FT BACK IN THE 60'S IM SURE YOU WILL BE AMAZED AT WHAT IS TO COME IN THE NEAR FUTURE... OVERALL SAO PAULO IS A MUCH BIGGER CITY THEN CHICAGO

# Building Name [Complex Name] Photos Height Floors Year Status
1. Órbita Residence 1,112 m 265 2011
2. Landmark Tower 696 m 168 2009
3. Tietê Plaza 623 m 166 2009
4. Supertorre Cambuci 441 m 110 2006
5. The Business Tower III [The Business Towers] 403 m 106 2006
6. The Business Tower II [The Business Towers] 403 m 106 2006
7. The Business Tower I [The Business Towers] 403 m 106 2006
8. Parque Residential Itaim-Bibi 399 m 99 2007
9. Sao Paulo Mega Center I+II 379 m 97 2005

RX the chance of those getting built is pretty small. You are right though that the tallest is 558 feet. They do have 3 550 footers coming online next year though. I wouldnt hold my breath with those listed above (some are past they year of completion and have not even started yet).
Chicago on the other hand has 6 thousand footers, including two currently under construction. They also have an approved 2000 foot building. I would say its more likely that Chicago would rule the sky much more than Sao Paulo.