When is the scheduled completion of 50 Biscayne?

SERIOUSLY EVERYONE BUYS REALESTATE AS AN INVESTMENT

SPECULATORS WOULD BE ALL THOSE FOOLS THAT BOUGHT LAND IN FLORIDA WHEN IT WAS DIRT CHEAP... REALLY ITS JUST PRESS AND SHOULDNT BE A FACTOR IN ANYTHING...

WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN AN AREA THAT WAS IN BAD CONDITION GETS 3 BUILDINGS WITH 400PLUS CONDOS? IT BECOMES AN ATTRACTIVE NIEGHBORHOOD AND MORE PEOPLE MOVE IN...

CONSIDERING HOW MANY PEOPLE MOVE INTO FLORIDA MONTHLY WHO COULD POSSIBILY SPECULATION DESCRIBES OUR MARKET EVER? NO ONE OUR MARKET WILL CONTINUE TO BRING NEW BUILDINGS ONLINE AND PEOPLE WILL BUY THEM AT ONE PRICE OR ANOTHER...

SO SPECULATORS....DOESNT APPLY EVER THEY ARE PIONEERS OR INVESTORS BUT SPECULATORS WOULD BE TO JUMP INTO A MARKET WHERE THERE IS NO DEMAND...

I believe Paramount Park will be the last one to get built. I'm even going to boldly predict that PP will start getting the site ready after Marina Blue and Ten Museum have finished construction.
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Born in the Grove:) , my friend, here now close to the end of February, 2007, I believe this to be so true, " 600 Freedom Tower ", will begin after the " 900 Biscayne Tower " has been completed for the 900 Biscayne sales center to move out of the " 600 Freedom Tower " site in the north part of the Freedom Tower and the NOW abandon train tracks:bash: To the, and to be removed by then and the Sales center be placed at the then completed 900 biscayne tower's lobby.:cheers:

Always good to see restaurants emerging on the north side of the River. A new restaurant for the One Miami complex:

http://southflorida.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2007/02/19/daily28.html?surround=lfn

DAVE:) , my friend, This is Great,

and isn't this address in the " ONE MIAMI ", But also the : " MIAMI Center " Complex ???:ohno:

Dave:) , thanks for this INFO,
please more, and catch up with me, lol.:cheers:

50 Biscayne will be completed by October
Avenue at brickell will be completed by December
Marina Blue will be completed by August
Loft 2 will be completed by September
Met 1 will be completed by September
Wind will be completed by January 08
Ivy will be completed by March 08
Infinity will be completed by May 08
Ten Museum Park will be completed by the end of March
900 will be completed by February 08
Plaza at brickell will be completed by Jan 08
Axis wil be completed by Jan 08
Latitude will be completed by June
Epic will be completed by late 08
Met 2 early 09
Capital by 2010

50 Biscayne will be completed by October
Avenue at brickell will be completed by December
Marina Blue will be completed by August
Loft 2 will be completed by September
Met 1 will be completed by September
Wind will be completed by January 08
Ivy will be completed by March 08
Infinity will be completed by May 08
Ten Museum Park will be completed by the end of March
900 will be completed by February 08
Plaza at brickell will be completed by Jan 08
Axis wil be completed by Jan 08
Latitude will be completed by June
Epic will be completed by late 08
Met 2 early 09
Capital by 2010


And MET 3 early 2012:banana: with Villa Magna's two-tower complex completed in 2012:banana: !!!

Thanks Que:) , my friend, Great Update List !!!:cheers:

I'll guess Met 3 gets completed in the summer or fall of 2010.

The Loft III goes before the Planning Board for approval on March 7th at 31-stories, 398 feet tall with 495 condos and 14 parking spaces (for the 14,000 sqft retail portion). Funny how Related sells out a building before they ever bother to get the building approved by the City.

http://egov.ci.miami.fl.us/meetings/2007/3/1442_A_Planning_Advisory_Board_07-03-07_Meeting_Agenda_(Long).pdf

The Loft III goes before the Planning Board for approval on March 7th at 31-stories, 398 feet tall with 495 condos and 14 parking spaces (for the 14,000 sqft retail portion). Funny how Related sells out a building before they ever bother to get the building approved by the City.

http://egov.ci.miami.fl.us/meetings/2007/3/1442_A_Planning_Advisory_Board_07-03-07_Meeting_Agenda_(Long).pdf

HAHA, that is interesting Dave. Funny how they have no trouble selling out projects. Maybe they should take over Met 3.:banana:

I'll guess Met 3 gets completed in the summer or fall of 2010.

Coruna:) , My friend, Way too early:nuts: ,
remember at 76 floors, 836 feet, it will take over 4 years from the groundbreaking to completion date:ohno:
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That means if started by the end of this year , 2007:banana: , plus 4 years,
Early 2012 completion date with the opening of the Whole Foods Market in the spring of 2012 !!!:cheers:

Not that it will make much difference in construction time, but is it still supposed to be 836 feet? I know it's 76 floors but on their website they say it will only be 817 feet tall. I hope you're right but I think the new design has it scaled back a bit.

Not that it will make much difference in construction time, but is it still supposed to be 836 feet? I know it's 76 floors but on their website they say it will only be 817 feet tall. I hope you're right but I think the new design has it scaled back a bit.

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Yes Coruna:) , my friend, Its very close between 816 feet at the lowest height and 836 feet at the most, Which according to my special sales lady, ITs still selling at 76 floors on paper for the buyers:nuts: .

Its the Crown TOP:banana: that has been lowered to adjust the required height.
The Crown is just a cover for the huge cooling towers that are going to be on the top of MET 3.:cheers:

Again I ask, if you can't build more than 817 feet SMACK-DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CBD, then how in the world does Tibor Hollo expect to build a 1180 footer ?

I think they could go higher if they wanted, those who designed Met 3 just didn't make it any taller than 76 floors and 836?/817? ft. tall. I think they could probably go up to 1,000 feet if they wanted, but I'm not sure about over 1100. But don't think Met 3 is being built as tall as possible, because it's not.

I think they could go higher if they wanted, those who designed Met 3 just didn't make it any taller than 76 floors and 836?/817? ft. tall. I think they could probably go up to 1,000 feet if they wanted, but I'm not sure about over 1100. But don't think Met 3 is being built as tall as possible, because it's not.

I don't know if that question has ever been answered with absolute certainty here. I do recall another poster (sorry I forgot who) posting a pretty thorough and convincing article stating that the FAA absolutely, positively would never allow a 1000-footer in the CBD---including the Met3 site---but whether or not it might be allowed further south in the Brickell corridor remains hazy (from what I've seen, anyway) unless someone has concrete evidence one way or the other.

Let's hope so, anyway. Even freakin' Atlantic City just approved a tower taller than anything in Miami. Stupid damn FAA!

The farther south you are in Miami, the better chance there is of a 1,000 footer. Since the flight tracks go right over Midtown that area is off limits. The CBD could probably get one right around 1,000 feet and I wouldn't be surprised if Brickell at some point got one over 1,000 feet.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8738/silodq5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I really hope we get Paramount Park and Freedom Tower

damn since when do we have 700ft lamp post in the skyline, that came out of nowhere, lol just kidding

I read someone's post in the Marlin's stadium thread where they said something to the effect of "if the stadium is built there thats the only hope for development between the biscayne wall and I-95."

Although I didn't totally agree with this statement.......it did get me thinking. What type of infill development do you guys see for the near future between the biscayne wall and I-95????

Im trying to envision what that will look like in 10 years.

Logik tower is one example of such a development at 30 floors and 368ft. It is only blocks away from where the stadium is supposed to be built and it just broke ground recently. There are also some affordable housing projects that are supposed to built west of the CBD but the only one I can think of right now is Crosswinds. RX, has also hinted that there may be some very tall developments being planned directly behind the biscayne wall.

There is also the new tower by Touzet Studios that was featured in Ocean Drive a few months ago. check out touzetstudios.com

damn since when do we have 700ft lamp post in the skyline, that came out of nowhere, lol just kidding

ARCHitek :) !!!, my friend,
That's really funny:lol: ,
The lightpost in that picture is taller than MarinaBlue condo tower:banana: , which makes it over 700 feet, LOL:lol: .

Great Picture, ARCH Photo:) , my friend !!!:cheers:

I recently visited the Logik website and it looks like an exciting project. Even know it's not that tall it's nice to have some infill in northwestern downtown. That is right near the Overtown/Arena metrorail station and about three blocks away from the Miami Arena.....I hope to see more projects in that area. I think the best hope for Overtown to once again become a nicer area is SE Overtown, which kind of overlaps with the CBD in some parts.....this area south of I-395 and east of I-95 could be very nice and urban in a few years, I don't think the same way about other parts of Overtown northwest of there but that part has some potential with its proximity to the Biscayne Wall and other areas of downtown.

I read someone's post in the Marlin's stadium thread where they said something to the effect of "if the stadium is built there thats the only hope for development between the biscayne wall and I-95."

Although I didn't totally agree with this statement.......it did get me thinking. What type of infill development do you guys see for the near future between the biscayne wall and I-95????

Im trying to envision what that will look like in 10 years.

Just about ZERO over the next 6 years. 6-10 years out is a different story.

Realizing that things are not optimum in the new projects dept. Does anybody know who is the developer for Touzet Studios NE 11 st 42 story tower behind TENMUPARK and Marquis. Also I called the sales center for Soleil and they said the project is not cancelled but will be redesigned.

Does anybody know who is the developer for Touzet Studios NE 11 st 42 story tower behind TENMUPARK and Marquis. Also I called the sales center for Soleil and they said the project is not cancelled but will be redesigned.

Ironically enough I think that was originally being called Marquis 2 ... yup the same people you called today. They may have sold it by now. I think the relationship beween the two major stakeholders has soured.

Ironically enough I think that was originally being called Marquis 2 ... yup the same people you called today. They may have sold it by now. I think the relationship beween the two major stakeholders has soured.

Actually wasnt it called Marquis west?

I think that Marquis West was a different project. Have a look at Touzetstudio.com---projects---NE 11th st

I think that Marquis West was a different project. Have a look at Touzetstudio.com---projects---NE 11th st

OK guys you are the super stars of development knowledge here is your chance to shine. Wasn't this Marquis west or II.

I remember the leopard print parking lot and thinking it didn't look much like the first Marquis

I could be wrong but I don't expect to see anything happening in park west for a long time... the ballpark stadium could change this but I'd rather see activity north of 395 around the PAC. (chelsea, 1490 Biscayne, new omni towers, bayview market, anderson opera, cardinal symphony, citi square etc

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7922/m2wi7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I thought that this was the project that was known as Marquis West, or Marquis 2??

I was actually glad to see this cancelled. I don't love a leopard garage, but there is lots to like in the touzet studios building.

that is not marquis west, marquis west is the touzet studio tower which is west of marquis tower in the back lot which use to be the parking lot for space...

We knew you would know. Thanks for clarifying, I was trying to figure it out, but wasn't sure. So, it seemed like the touzet studio building had a prayer based on its more recent press. But boy I hope everybody at Filling Station likes the design because it would be just about all the see looking south.

Here's a picture from the Touzet site, check out the crazy facade:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c275/dmoore305/NE11thSt.jpg

We knew you would know. Thanks for clarifying, I was trying to figure it out, but wasn't sure. So, it seemed like the touzet studio building had a prayer based on its more recent press. But boy I hope everybody at Filling Station likes the design because it would be just about all the see looking south.

The people at the Filling Station are going to be too busy enjoying their 18 feet high ceilings and bad ass mega voluminous spaces to bother looking out the windows. If they ever get around to it they will see a gorgeous south view, Marquis west will be a block east but over 5 blocks south so the view will only be only partially blocked by it. They will be able to see south and look at a completed met 3 pretty much unblocked ... yummy

yes I love this project!

It's true. 'Just about all they see' is an exaggeration. I think that Marquis and Marquis West would be a fantastic view. Sleek and modern and wildly exuberant. All the best of Miami, to say nothing of met3 towering in the distance!

Here's a picture from the Touzet site, check out the crazy facade:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c275/dmoore305/NE11thSt.jpg


This is far too interesting to be built in Miami.

Yes, I've become a cynic.

^^ NO DALE...NOT YOU :)

Rider, this is where you're suppose to use Joaquin Phoenix's line in the movie Signs, the one where he turns to the brother, played by Mel Gibson, and says:

"Look, there's two things I can't take, and one of them is when my big brother starts losing faith in things." :)

Rider, this is where you're suppose to use Joaquin Phoenix's line in the movie Signs, the one where he turns to the brother, played by Mel Gibson, and says:

"Look, there's two things I can't take, and one of them is when my big brother starts losing faith in things." :)

Swing away Merrill :banana:

I had some extra minutes today and did some dowtown building reconnaissance. Keep in mind I took these with my cellphone while I was driving. I rotated the vertical ones, but for some reason they didn't upload right. :nuts:

As you can see, this particular set belongs to the [central business district]

To see the [performing arts district] set: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=12076437#post12076437

And the [Brickell] set: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=12076461#post12076461

BISCAYNE WALL:
MARINA BLUE, 900 BISCAYNE, TEN MUSEUM PARK, MARQUIS,

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/DSC00281.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/DSC00282.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/DSC00283.jpg

^ I sure hope they're going to put trees in the middle of the blvd along with those tiles...

EVERGLADES ON THE BAY U/C
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/DSC00284.jpg

MET 3 LOT:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/DSC00286.jpg

MET 2 LOT ALONG WITH MET U/C WITH A POSTER OF SHAQ (happy that he met miami met)

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/DSC00287.jpg

IVY AND WIND or MINT? IN THE BACKROUND
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/DSC00289.jpg

EPIC, MET 1 AND DULL ONE MIAMI
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i102/stratoshpere/DSC00292.jpg

Great updates man, MET 1 is almost complete. :)

Those are incredible. Cant wait to see those without the cranes and machinery on the roads and we can see a sleek nice looking urban center.
I wonder what theyre planning to do with that chunk of space inbetween biscayne blvd.

it looks like its pretty much done, fully paved over... thats a shame, that road will be crammed with traffic and some trees would be nice...

If you look carefully you can see the round holes where trees are going to go. I don't know if its going to be royal palms or shade trees.

one hope's it would be Royal Palms in the median and shade trees for the sidewalks.

Last time I drove by the Met site, in mid February, Met 2 was already under construction. In that picture it looks like it hasn't yet started, but for those who didn't know, it's around the fifth floor right now.

As for MET 3, let's hope that gets started in April or May....only a couple of months away hopefully.

I'm sorry, I don't know if I understood. MET2 is one the 5th floor, is that correct?

I'm sorry, I don't know if I understood. MET2 is one the 5th floor, is that correct?
^^ ^^


ARCH Photo man:) , my friend, ITS the EPIC Hotel and Condo Tower at the 5th Floor, that you see, going up 500 feet at 48 floors " ON TIME ", and
MET 2, :banana: Has now started with its Foundation of Huge Iron rod Ties going into the Ground for its over 600 foot Office tower !!!
Its construction Crazy madness here in Downtown Miami !!!
Just take the FREE ride on Metromover on the inner loop around Central downtown, Or take the Both Brickell or Omni Outside Loops Like I did Yesterday afternoon,
You'll See IT ALL !!!
Every Tower under construction in Downtown MIAMI !!!
There's over 30 Tower construction projects happening all along the Whole MetroMover System, Its Great !!!:cheers:
I must have counted at least 50 Tower Construction Cranes Just in Downtown !!!:nuts:

Woah, Coruna had me excited for a moment there.

OK. I have seen EPIC's impressive progress. But didn't think MET2 was on 5 yet

I stand corrected.....I didn't realize what I was looking at. So it's Epic that's going vertical at the fifth floor.....and Met 2 is laying its foundation. But it's still good that Met 2 is making progress in construction, unlike Met 3, which we are still waiting to get started on.

I did the metromover building tour a couple of months ago and I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to see all of the building in downtown Miami. Don't take the car into downtown, traffic is especially bad with all the construction.....take metrorail into town and transfer to metromover at Government Center.

it looks like its pretty much done, fully paved over... thats a shame, that road will be crammed with traffic and some trees would be nice... Nope...there will be lots of trees in the Boulevard! The road construction not only shifted the entire Biscayne Boulevard to the East, lanes were added, it expaned the size of the sidewalks on the East side, made a much nicer median and greatly expanded the depth of the West sidewalks. The West side sidewalk expansion gives enough room for the cafes in 10 Museum and the other talls to put tables and still have enough room for pedestrian traffic.
Biscayne has been crammed with traffic for the last 10 years, these improvements will ease that congestion a bit. Now, if the Port Tunnel project can take the container trucks off of Biscayne, we would really be in business!

Nope...there will be lots of trees in the Boulevard!
Biscayne has been crammed with traffic for the last 10 years, these improvements will ease that congestion a bit. Now, if the Port Tunnel project can take the container trucks off of Biscayne, we would really be in business!

ROARK:) , my friend, only in our dreams, so sad to say,
and 10 years from now, Biscayne Blvd will still be crammed with truck traffic to the Port of Miami.
There's No way for a Port Tunnel with " out of control " rising construction costs, headaches from envirolmentalists and florida save the Bay activicts, lol.
It would be like waiting for the Marlins Stadium to ever get started and ever to decide where the site to put it and if it will ever get completed on time with Future Hurricanes !!!!
,
Remember the dream of building a Marlins Stadium started over 10 years ago with the 1997 World Champion Florida Marlins !!!:cheers:

I think there is a much better chance that the port tunnel will get built than the burial of I-395. It may not happen right away but it should begin within a few years......it's a great idea and I really hope it goes through.

I think there is a much better chance that the port tunnel will get built than the burial of I-395. It may not happen right away but it should begin within a few years......it's a great idea and I really hope it goes through.
^^

Coruna:) , My friend,
The Burial of I-395 is already in the Clearing the properties Stage Now as the final empty white building on Biscayne Blvd and 12th street is coming down soon. all the OPUS Lots are cleared now from the construction crews building the P.A.C. is now completed and the construction of the new buried I-395 should start early 2009 as planned :cheers:
as for the Port Tunnel, Its been news in the pappers for over 25 years and Still news in the papers,
Nothing on the ground has ever been bought by the FDOT for the Port Tunnel, Remember Island Gardens Hotel project Starts this YEAR, 2007,
Where' the Port Tunnel going to go NOW, since the Hotel project is in the Way,
There's NO way for any Port Tunnel in our time, IMO !!!

I don't know the exact plans, but I love the idea of whizzing by right next to Marquis and watching as you drive forward and the Biscayne Wall looms over you before you jut out over the water. It's very Jetsons. I don't want to go underground through a tunnel with no view when there is finally something great to look at.

The Port of Miami Tunnel is designed for traffic going into and out of the Port of Miami. That is mostly container trucks and bus loads of people taking cruises. It only goes underground for a short stretch begining near the Children's Museum to Dodge Island.
I'm confident it will get done, or at least started soon! The project will likely take a couple of decades. Bids were accepted last week from the 3 most qualified bidders and the contract will be awarded in May. More (http://www.portofmiamitunnel.com/Documents/07-0305-MediaAdvisory-FINAL.pdf)
As for the land required, FDOT already owns all of the right of way necessary.
Virtual Reality tour and more info (http://www.portofmiamitunnel.com/Video/POMT_100605.wmv)

It was 395 over biscayne blvd that I meant being more Jetsons, flying by the Biscayne wall and Past the PAC and the soon to be MAM, that I think it would be a shame to bury that part and exclude motorists from the beauty of the new BLvd, I think that the area will still be revitalized to such a degree that it can hold up to one highway running through it, the dynamism of urbanity would be diminished if 395 was sunken under Biscayne.

Putting I-395 underground is a great idea!! Most large cities have the interstate highway in downtown buried underground, why should we be any different? It would also create a much better pedestrian atmosphere in that area of downtown/Park West.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5878/900tj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hey 900 are you're doors in good and secure, This way you can make sure they don't get any paint on the frames

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9791/marinaga2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It's nice how the 2 separate sections of the building are beginning to read strongly, of course the removal of film on glass will be the clincher, but the relationship is apparent from this perspective.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6913/900tpq2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

THE WALL

Thanks Arch,
I enjoy your pictures very much. Keep them coming! Marina Blue is looking good!!!

Related Stories - Residential Real Estate

Real estate investor Edgar Romano feels trapped. The Miami property manager pooled his money with his mother and signed a contract three years ago for a $525,000 unit at the Related Group’s Ocean 4 condo development in Sunny Isles Beach.

When he put down the deposit in late 2004, he was told the monthly maintenance fees would be $600. But as the closing approached, Related sent two letters notifying him the bill would climb more than 50 percent to $900.

Romano tried to flip the contract for $650,000 and considered canceling, but Related made it clear the Miami-based developer would fight him.

http://www.dailybusinessreview.com/news.html?news_id=42350

^^
Is anyone seeing or hearing about a lot of cases like this (both in terms of developers forcing buyers to close and huge increases in common charges prior to closing); and do the developers of EOB have good reason to worry?

^^ ^^
Shadadon:) , my friend ,
Welcome again to the Miami Family Forum,:lol:
Keep us up to date on this,
Great news flash, I can't believe Jorge Perez is fighing this man.:ohno:

let us know if there's a OCEAN 5 in the works,

rumors in the past of future Ocean's 5, and 6 towers somewhere along northern Sunny Isles Beach between the Trump Royale and Ocean 3 towers.:cheers:

yo arch, ur pics are unreal...! in a good way of course!

I'm coming to town tomorrow. What do I need to shoot???

ARCH,

How about some close ups of 900 and Marina Blue. Also, very interested in what Biscyane Blvd looks like in front of 900. Also, would like to see some close ups of 50 Biscayne. Thanks!!!

I'm coming to town tomorrow. What do I need to shoot???
If there is one shot that pops into my head that needs to be taken, its the shot of the city (brickell and cbd) from the Biscayne Bay bridge from key biscayne to the mainland. i forget who, and where the pics were posted, but there was picture someone took of miami in 1999 from the bridge driving NE. that person took the same exact pic i believe last year or year b4, and the difference was very noticeable.

would be nice just to see an updated shot.

anybody remember those pics?

You mean shots from Rickenbacker Causeway? I'm on it 900

Could you please take pics of asia, icon brickell and W south beach!:)
thanks in advance,
hello345

You mean shots from Rickenbacker Causeway? I'm on it 900
YES the Rickenbacker... i had a mental lapse and couldn't remember the name of the bridge.

Arch, could you try and get the following:

Icon Brickell
Plaza on Brickell
Met 1
Everglades on the Bay
Close-up view of 900 Biscayne looking up
some shots of the Four Seasons looking up from Brickell Avenue
50 Biscayne

I took about 100 pictures of the CBD and Brickell about 3 weeks ago. My camera lost all its memory and is now in a memory recovering system in the photo shop....when I get it back I will post the pictures (they were taken on Feb. 20, 2007).

Thanks to anyone who posts photos on here. They really help to keep me up to date on the construction status of buildings in downtown.

:runaway:

Hi everyone! I always read ur posts! and I enjoy ur pics!

I live in Altanta and I bought a condo in loft 3. I was wondering if somebody could take pics of the lcoation where it is going to be build loft3.


Thank you !

Telma007:nocrook:

Taken from the 35th floor of Avenue last week. :banana:

Can you name each building?

http://www.bryansereny.com/miami-luxury-condos/brickell-9.jpg

1. Latitude
2. Brickell on the River II
3. 500 Brickell
4. Marina Blue
5. Loft II?
6. Everglades on the Bay
7. 50 Biscayne
8. Epic
9. Plaza on Brickell

I believe 1 is Wind or Ivy (it's one of those but I will stick with Wind). The rest of Born's list looks correct to me.

dude, you're right. looking back, i see 1 is on the other side of the river. my malo.

I'm coming to town tomorrow. What do I need to shoot???

How about some demolition shots of 600 Brickell.

I believe 1 is Wind or Ivy (it's one of those but I will stick with Wind). The rest of Born's list looks correct to me.

Displaced Miami Man:) !!!, my friend,
Your Right, # 1 quiz tower is the " Wind " condo tower in the fiverfront complex !!!

Born in the grove:) did Great , TOO :banana:

We are all winners here in our Miami Family forum :cheers:

I can't wait to see Biscayne Boulevard finished with tons of people on the sidewalks, shopping, eating and hanging out. I can't wait for the day when downtown is truly the CENTER of life of Miami. Let's just hope lol!

1. Latitude
2. Brickell on the River II
3. 500 Brickell
4. Marina Blue
5. Loft II?
6. Everglades on the Bay
7. 50 Biscayne
8. Epic
9. Plaza on Brickell

you answered 8/9 correct

you answered 8/9 correct
thats a B+. wanna curve that and give me an A?

thats a B+. wanna curve that and give me an A?

I'll give you an A+ :cheers:

niiiiiiiiiice

VIEW OF EPIC FROM THE BISCAYNE BAY

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4754/epic01rz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

VIEW OF REARSIDE OF 50 BISCAYNE TOWER IN DOWNTOWN MIAMI

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/17/50biscayne01ei3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/142/50biscayne02yc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

VIEW OF DOWNTOWN MIAMI FROM BRICKELL

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6784/brickell01mf0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8066/brickell02vx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

VIEW FROM THE MIAMI ARENA TOWARDS THE PORT OF MIAMI BRIDGE

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6240/brickell04la9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8507/brickell03xd4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Oops! Where's Met 3 in those pics ? They even have 600 Brickell.

I do believe met 3 is in the picture looking north from brickell. But so are other buildings that are not there and wont be.

Yes, Met 3 is in the picture looking north from Brickell....along with Met 2 and Met 1

Oh Rider,

I know the 18 degree weather and icey hazardous roads in Minnesota have you down:bash: but please spare us your pessimism............especially concerning downtown Miami.

We all know sometimes you get adventurous and drive 3 hours to Minneapolis to feel like a city slicker...... and that once upon a time you lived here in like 1967. Forgive me for not considering you a viable source on the fate of Met 3 or other proposed buildings. Say hi to Kirby Puckett for me.:nuts:

RX should be commended for the many sweet pics he's shared with all of us. Very impressive RX.:cheers:

It looks like the Knight center has been bulldozed and replaced with a park and some tower in the looking north pics and BOR is taller than the ICON towers and its oriented the wrong way.

the knight center is up for auction just like they did the miami arena the city is losing money with it so they plan on selling it off to the highest bidder.

If it gets demolished, I guess we'll once again see a change in the name of the "Knight Center Metromover Station"....it has already changed from World Trade Center station to Centrust Station to now Knight Center......what will be next?

As far as the Knight Center itself, I think that there's a good chance that whoever buys it will build a pretty tall tower on the site....hopefully an office tower.

Oh Rider,

I know the 18 degree weather and icey hazardous roads in Minnesota have you down:bash: but please spare us your pessimism............especially concerning downtown Miami.

We all know sometimes you get adventurous and drive 3 hours to Minneapolis to feel like a city slicker...... and that once upon a time you lived here in like 1967. Forgive me for not considering you a viable source on the fate of Met 3 or other proposed buildings. Say hi to Kirby Puckett for me.:nuts:

RX should be commended for the many sweet pics he's shared with all of us. Very impressive RX.:cheers:


Wow you totally captured me Mike...oh uh no you didnt. It was actually 50 today and my son was running around in short sleeves. As for hazardous roads I would venture that even with ice they are safer than Miami's (please see thread about bad drivers in Miami) and I know the answer to Minnesota winter roads..subaru and caution. I actually live 45 minutes from Minneapolis and lived there 7 years and Im not concerned about feeling like a "city slicker" a term I would never use thanks. I lived in Miami last in 1986 so your a "few" years off. Oh and you can say hi to Kirby yourself, hopefully not too soon.

As for my statement it was in reference to the picture of what I assume is Lynx, which will NEVER get built. Or do you know something none of the rest of us do?

Rider of ROHAN:) , my friend,
True, So True:banana: ,
LYNX towers was a Joke ,
A developer's Hoax !!!
parking lots STILL Today, 3 years later,
I knew this project would have never started, From the Beginning,
But,
Life Goes On:cheers: ,
We got more Tower projects today to replace the JOKE of LYNX:bash: ,
on with the Show !!!

Maybe I owe you an apology Rider, but I am kind of sick of your constant (and sometimes subtle) put downs on Miami.

With the exception of that idiot that recently moved to Boston, it seems that everyone on here that disses Miami lives somewhere else. If someone doesn't like Miami for some reason, dont try to convince us that your town is better.........lol...........youre better off trying to convince that one Baldwin brother to vote republican.

I respect that you found somewhere you like and that youre proud of your town. We are very similar in that regard. If I came on here and constantly put down Osh Kosh, Minnesota..............you'd probably resent that too.

^^ He's not putting Miami down, you've gotta be realistic with yourself MiamiMike. Many projects are cancelled or "approved" but never see the light of day. :)

^^ He's not putting Miami down, you've gotta be realistic with yourself MiamiMike. Many projects are cancelled or "approved" but never see the light of day. :)

Agreed. I don't think the purpose of a board like this is to be some kind of Chamber of Commerce adjunct and just slap happy face stickers on everything.

No place is perfect, not even Miami (gasp!) and while I DO appreciate the unbridled enthusiasm some people have I don't see how someone pointing out that not EVERYTHING will get built is in any way, shape, or form "putting Miami down." It's simply being a realist.

Maybe I owe you an apology Rider, but I am kind of sick of your constant (and sometimes subtle) put downs on Miami.

With the exception of that idiot that recently moved to Boston, it seems that everyone on here that disses Miami lives somewhere else. If someone doesn't like Miami for some reason, dont try to convince us that your town is better.........lol...........youre better off trying to convince that one Baldwin brother to vote republican.

I respect that you found somewhere you like and that youre proud of your town. We are very similar in that regard. If I came on here and constantly put down Osh Kosh, Minnesota..............you'd probably resent that too.

OshKosh is in Wisconsin.
What you see as putting down it pointing out things. I have the luxory of distance. Some cant see the forest for the trees. I never say Miami is a terrible place but I do notice the problems it faces. Buildings not getting built is not a setback to Miami.

Wow you totally captured me Mike...oh uh no you didnt. It was actually 50 today and my son was running around in short sleeves. As for hazardous roads I would venture that even with ice they are safer than Miami's (please see thread about bad drivers in Miami) and I know the answer to Minnesota winter roads..subaru and caution. I actually live 45 minutes from Minneapolis and lived there 7 years and Im not concerned about feeling like a "city slicker" a term I would never use thanks. I lived in Miami last in 1986 so your a "few" years off. Oh and you can say hi to Kirby yourself, hopefully not too soon.

As for my statement it was in reference to the picture of what I assume is Lynx, which will NEVER get built. Or do you know something none of the rest of us do?

Maimi is a totally different city than it was in 1986. I grew up here and moved away in 1994. Came back in 2001 and its a totally different place.

2001 was the begining of the boom when things had been anounced and nothing had been built...

1986 brickell had 10 towers all under 20 floors... 3 construction booms later and this guys expects his concept of miami to be the same? :bash: all i know is that some people talk alot especially about things they know nothing about.

First of all, you guys dont have a good read on me. Im not one of the zealots that proclaim a never ending construction boom for Miami.

Not seeing the forest for the trees? Yeah, sure guy. Im not the one that lives in a forest in Osh Kosh, MN. By the way, thanks for sharing with us that Osh Kosh is in Wisconsin......I didn't really think the name of your town was Osh Kosh. That was a joke..........basically me saying your town is a joke.


And as for RX........ Keep tokin guy. "Some people talk about things they know nothing about". Ok bud. Remember those stocks you told everyone to buy 6 months ago? The ones that lost a ton of money? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black lol.

Look, sorry, but the guy from Osh Kosh talks a lot of sh*t about Miami. Most of the time it is subtle. On numerous occasions he's proclaimed he's glad he left and he's never coming back. He is a Miami hater.

Just because I love Miami dont paint me as the guy that is a hopeless optimist for Miami real estate.
It is tough times in the real estate market here. It will be tough for a while. I knew it would get tough 2 years ago. Just because I dont want to listen to the guy from Osh Kosh say "Met 3 will never be built" doesnt mean Im a never ending real estate optomist. I'll be the first to admit I am no expert on downtown condos like Bryan or Roark. I do know, however, that single family homes in South Florida are taking a real beating right now, although thats apples and oranges.........sort of anyways.

Heck, RX just said somewhere "buy south beach property now while its cheap" What an idiotic thing to say. How high were you when you wrote that RX??
While there may be a few strategic investment opportunities on South Beach, they are only intended for the most sophisticated investor. Not someone like RX who lives in a fantasy world. RX likes to smoke that good stuff and daydream about land banking the island like its some monopoly board. Lol.

I will give you credit though RX.............from what I can tell youre a good graphic designer. That would be me "talking about things I know nothing about" though and I dont want there to be a first time for that.

First of all, you guys dont have a good read on me. Im not one of the zealots that proclaim a never ending construction boom for Miami.

Not seeing the forest for the trees? Yeah, sure guy. Im not the one that lives in a forest in Osh Kosh, MN. By the way, thanks for sharing with us that Osh Kosh is in Wisconsin......I didn't really think the name of your town was Osh Kosh. That was a joke..........basically me saying your town is a joke.


And as for RX........ Keep tokin guy. "Some people talk about things they know nothing about". Ok bud. Remember those stocks you told everyone to buy 6 months ago? The ones that lost a ton of money? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black lol.

Look, sorry, but the guy from Osh Kosh talks a lot of sh*t about Miami. Most of the time it is subtle. On numerous occasions he's proclaimed he's glad he left and he's never coming back. He is a Miami hater.

Just because I love Miami dont paint me as the guy that is a hopeless optimist for Miami real estate.
It is tough times in the real estate market here. It will be tough for a while. I knew it would get tough 2 years ago. Just because I dont want to listen to the guy from Osh Kosh say "Met 3 will never be built" doesnt mean Im a never ending real estate optomist. I'll be the first to admit I am no expert on downtown condos like Bryan or Roark. I do know, however, that single family homes in South Florida are taking a real beating right now, although thats apples and oranges.........sort of anyways.

Heck, RX just said somewhere "buy south beach property now while its cheap" What an idiotic thing to say. How high were you when you wrote that RX??
While there may be a few strategic investment opportunities on South Beach, they are only intended for the most sophisticated investor. Not someone like RX who lives in a fantasy world. RX likes to smoke that good stuff and daydream about land banking the island like its some monopoly board. Lol.

I will give you credit though RX.............from what I can tell youre a good graphic designer. That would be me "talking about things I know nothing about" though and I dont want there to be a first time for that.

He wasnt talking about you... I think he was talking about your friend from Osh Kosh....

2001 was the begining of the boom when things had been anounced and nothing had been built...

1986 brickell had 10 towers all under 20 floors... 3 construction booms later and this guys expects his concept of miami to be the same? :bash: all i know is that some people talk alot especially about things they know nothing about.

I wasnt going to post a reply because I knew you would eventually start typing in caps and call everyone stupid, but.. I have a very clear concept of what Miami is like thanks. I know what it was like in 86 and now, its not hard to see the difference. You must be pretty slow on the uptake if you dont realize that.:ohno:

Never said Met 3 would not get built.

First of all, you guys dont have a good read on me. Im not one of the zealots that proclaim a never ending construction boom for Miami.

Not seeing the forest for the trees? Yeah, sure guy. Im not the one that lives in a forest in Osh Kosh, MN. By the way, thanks for sharing with us that Osh Kosh is in Wisconsin......I didn't really think the name of your town was Osh Kosh. That was a joke..........basically me saying your town is a joke.


And as for RX........ Keep tokin guy. "Some people talk about things they know nothing about". Ok bud. Remember those stocks you told everyone to buy 6 months ago? The ones that lost a ton of money? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black lol.

Look, sorry, but the guy from Osh Kosh talks a lot of sh*t about Miami. Most of the time it is subtle. On numerous occasions he's proclaimed he's glad he left and he's never coming back. He is a Miami hater.

Just because I love Miami dont paint me as the guy that is a hopeless optimist for Miami real estate.
It is tough times in the real estate market here. It will be tough for a while. I knew it would get tough 2 years ago. Just because I dont want to listen to the guy from Osh Kosh say "Met 3 will never be built" doesnt mean Im a never ending real estate optomist. I'll be the first to admit I am no expert on downtown condos like Bryan or Roark. I do know, however, that single family homes in South Florida are taking a real beating right now, although thats apples and oranges.........sort of anyways.

Heck, RX just said somewhere "buy south beach property now while its cheap" What an idiotic thing to say. How high were you when you wrote that RX??
While there may be a few strategic investment opportunities on South Beach, they are only intended for the most sophisticated investor. Not someone like RX who lives in a fantasy world. RX likes to smoke that good stuff and daydream about land banking the island like its some monopoly board. Lol.

I will give you credit though RX.............from what I can tell youre a good graphic designer. That would be me "talking about things I know nothing about" though and I dont want there to be a first time for that.

Basically I am saying you dont know your geography, which you showed quite clearly. You also dont understand that Oshkosh is one word. As for being a Miami hater, I wouldnt be on this forum if I was. I am glad I left Miami, it was the best thing for my family. Take a look back at the time I left, Miami was terrible (paradise lost, recall?). And I dont want to move back, I love where I live. Got news for you Mike..billions of people dont want to live in Miami, that doesnt make them Miami haters. Take a chill pill man.

miami was at is worst in the early 80s by 85 is was on an upswing by 91 southbeach was the place to be by 1992-97 overtown hudlums where doing smash and grabs and (shattering windows along with the cities image) by 2000 most projects where closed down and most of the hudlums where locked up bringing the crime rate 75 percent down from previous years.
by 2001 the boom had started and by 2003 the cranes where up...

one would say you left at the worst time your family could be living in a paid in full house with another 2 as rental income where your at now had you just stayed through the rest of it...

as for stocks in your case you sold early and didnt make a profit
ford, winn dixie, and valero crude are strong stocks you just have to have the patience to sit it through... in your case you left a bit to early to soon to see the benefits and you had allready lived through the hardest years in miami history...

im sure your decision was the best at that time not having knowledge of what was to come in the future and im sure you now live with the outcome of your decision good or bad as it may seem to us...

IN MY OPINION I REALLY COULD CARE LESS IT DOESNT AFFECT ME IN ANY WAY IM NOT RELATED TO YOU SO IT ALL ENDS UP BEING YOUR CHOICE... AS FOR YOUR OPIONION'S THEY ARE ALL FACT BASED ON YOUR PERCEPTION OF MIAMI BACK IN 86 NOT REALISTIC TO WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS SO THEY HOLD LITTLE WEIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO ARGUMENT SAKE.

YOU DIDNT LIVE THROUGH IT SO YOU KNOW NOTHING WHAT ITS LIKE

I dont regret moving, and really never have. I love my life now, and where I live. Its been a long road and I have lived in many places but I have now found a place I can call home. Everything in life isnt about making money RX. You can keep your high property values. My went to a good place and we were all safe, the schools were better and things turned out well.

I SUGGEST YOU GO ATTACK:gunz: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: SOMEONE ELSES CREDIBILITY

YOUR 20TH POST SHOULD BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF APOLOGIZING FOR WHATEVER YOU SMOKED:doh: THAT MADE YOU TALK ALL THAT CRAP:toilet: ...

YES PEOPLE ON HERE TALK ALOT ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT

MOST OF THEM ARE NEW MEMBER LIKE YOURSELF THAT ONLY CONTRIBUTE TO BRINGING PROBLEMS TO THIS FORUM INSTEAD OF POSTING SOURCES THAT SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENT.

IVE DONE NOTHING TO YOU SO GO BLOW SOME STEAM IN SOME OTHER DIRECTION... I STILL THINK WE SHOULD DO A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION:crazy2: :weirdo: :crazy2: ON MOST NEW MEMBERS AS IT SEEMS ALL THE NEW ONES ARE HARD HEADED:bash: ARGUMENTATIVE :bleep: AND REALLY DONT CONTRIBUTE :toilet: CRAP:toilet: TO THIS FORUM.

like i said i could really care less what choice you made
it was your and your spouses choice at the time not mine and no one elses

im not attacking you for moving or saying it was a wise or unwise decision just saying that your perception of what miami is like is a bit DATED AND NOTHING LIKE THE MIAMI YOU LEFT BEHIND 20 YEARS AGO.

MIAMI HAS ALOT TO OFFER AND WILL CONTNUE TO GROW AS A CITY AND OFFER MUCH MORE IN THE FUTURE BUT IT WILL NEVER BE LIKE 1985 STANDARDS... IT WOULD BE SILLY TO THINK NYC IS THE SAME AS IT WAS BACK IN THE 70'S JUST AS IT IS SILLY TO THINK MIAMI IS STILL THE SAME AS IN THE 80'S

IF WHERE YOU LIVE NOW WASNT A DECENT PLACE TO LIVE THERE WOULD NOT BE A POPULATION THERE.... SO ENJOY IT JUST AS OTHERS ENJOY THERE CHOICE OF LIVING HERE.

Deal, thank you

I left Miami in 2001 but am back in town at least four times yearly. I'll be back down again in less than a month, actually. My dad still lives in Miami Shores...my mom has a winter place up in Tequesta...and I've got friends and family sprinkled throughout South Florida. I read the Herald and the Sun-Sentinel online daily, and New Times, too.

Speaking for myself, I am anything BUT "disconnected" to the place and all the changes that have occurred and probably spend more actual time in Miami (and read about it) even now than a lot of people who LIVE in South Florida. Nothing about the changes to the city or all the developments is the least bit new or surprising to me. I've been seeing it with my own eyes all along.

But does that make me want to move back? No. Miami is my hometown and I adore the place but I'm a lot happier where I'm at for numerous reasons (yes, including the weather). I hope that's OK with people. I hope it's OK to prefer someplace else to Miami without being accused of "hating" the place, because that's absolutely absurd---and straight outta junior-high in the logic department.

And just a little reminder that the occassional criticism of a place doesn't imply some deep, hidden agenda to knock it. This is a message-board...not the Chamber of Commerce...and sometimes the "bad" things must be talked about along with all the good if it to be an energetic and HONEST format.

As a native Miamian with family roots there back to the 1920s and an ongoing relationship with the city, you can be assured that I will retain the right to give my opinion (good, bad, or otherwise) on events down there.

OPINION IS THE RIGHT WORD TO USE BECAUSE NOT BEING A MIAMI RESIDENT HOW COULD SOMEONE TALK ABOUT CRIME WHEN THEY ARENT AROUND TO SEE IT...?

WE ALL KNOW NEWSPAPERS AND TV EXAGERATE THE NEWS TO MAKE IT WORTH WATCHING... CHANNEL 7 RICK SANCHEZ WAS THE BIGGEST DRAMA QUEEN FOR YEARS NOW ITS BECOME MORE OF A GOSSIP NETWORK.

SO HOW CAN ONE SAY MIAMI'S TRAFFIC IS BAD WHEN THEY ARENT HERE TO DRIVE IN IT OR SAY THERE IS ALOT OF CRIME AND HAITAIN GANGS WHEN THEY DONT LIVE IN LITTLE HAITI OR EVEN LIVE HERE 6 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR...

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT IF YOU ARENT A RESIDENT YOU HAVE NO VOTE IN THE MATTER.

YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MIAMI RESIDENT AT SOME POINT AND MOST LIKELY THE PERCEPTION YOU LEFT WITH IS THE ONE THAT STICKS MOST IN YOUR HEAD.

MIAMI SHORES HAS TRIPLED IN VALUE SINCE 1999
BELLMEADE HOUSES WENT FOR 80K-90K AND NOW THEY GO FOR 650K-900K
SHORECREST HOMES ARE IN THE 500-600K RANGE AND MORE
MORNINGSIDE IS ABOUT THE SAME AS BELLMEADE AND A LITTLE HIGHER.
WEST OF BISCAYNE IS IN THE 350K AND UP (YES THIS IS BEHIND ALL THOSE MOTELS)

REALLY WHAT CAN ONE SAY ABOUT MIAMI UNLESS THEY ARE LIVING IT... ITS LIKE WANTING TO SAY YOU LIVED THROUGH KATRINA WHILE IN FACT YOU WHERE 2000 MILES AWAY WATCHING IT FROM YOUR TV SET...

You still type like a retard.
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But I agree with you on the points you made, Miami has changed a lot and in a good way.
And spare me the double, triple, or even quad-posts of furiously typed uncoherent sentences about how much you hate me. I'd perfer a single reply with fairly good sentence structure.

NEVER SAID I HATED YOU... BUT IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY THATS YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE...

PS THE CAPS STAY LOCKED AS LONG AS I WANT THEM TO AFTER ALL THIS ISNT MEEPYS DICTATORSHIP. I CAN THINK OF ANOTHER FINGER I CAN FLIP BESIDES MY PINKY YOU WOULD LOVE THAT ONE:nono: :rock: :righton: :baeh3: :weird: :okay:

THE STATEMENT OF ME BEING A RETARD IVE DONE PRETTY WELL ON INFORMING THE REST OF YOU ON UPCOMING PROJECTS SINCE 2004 AND COUNTING... PLEASE REMIND ME WHAT IT IS YOU DO ON THIS FORUM? WHATS YOUR CONTRIBUTION?

AND YOU ARE RIGHT TO AGREE MIAMI HAS CHANGED ALOT IN A GOOD WAY HENCE THE FORUM AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENT PICTURES

Rx, your rants and outbursts are not very informative either. Calm down, let's get back on topic here.....you don't want to get banned again, you do provide us with some good information.

I agree with you, Miami has changed a lot from the early-mid 80s to now....it's even changed a lot since 2000. In another 5 years, like Chuck says in his "dreams of 2012", it will have once again changed....Miami will resemble a mini version of Manhattan in many aspects soon......much different from the crime and infestation of the early 80s.

I do find it interesting how people talk about crime in Miami. I mean, I have lived in three cities in the US and Miami is no worse than the other 2. Granted, I live in the South Miami area and work in Coral Gables (which have always been pretty safe) but peoples' perceptions on Miami and crime are truly exagerated. I grew up in Miami in the 80s (in the suburbs) and didnt think crime was that bad then. But compared to now, Miami is much more safe. I am not familiar with Liberty City or Little Haiti or Carol City, but I am extremely familiar with Miami. I am happy that others on this forum enjoy where they live and want to stay there. I lived in Charlotte for a few years and loved it, but wanted to get back to the blue ocean, culture, good seafood, the nightlife.... that Miami has to offer. I dont regret coming back one bit. Actually, I am proud to be part of this city's growth and rebirth. It truly is amazing to be in this city currently. There is no other place like it.

How did this become a crime thread, anyway? I can't recall making a reference to it anytime recently except for a tongue-in-cheek remark about listening to the cries of crack dealers in Opa Locka while drinking Merlot as the sun set behind the minarets. I thought it was a vaguely funny image...but that's just me.

Anyway, to make short work of that topic---violent crime took a MAJOR nosedive in Miami roughly between 1990-2005. It did exactly the same thing in virtually every other major American city during the same period. Unfortunately it's inching upwards again in Miami and elsewhere.

First part good...second part disturbing. Crime is bad.

Whew, that was tough!

What else? Oh, yeah...local news sensationalizing things. Gosh, I had no idea. Really?

Traffic? Love it. As a matter of fact, when I'm back down there to visit I'm able to SIMULTANEOUSLY be on every single road and highway in South Florida to give expert, first-hand analysis of the situation. When I'm there in April I will provide this board with up-to-the-second traffic updates from Collins Avenue, Milam Dairy Road, NW 67th Avenue, the Sawgrass Expressway, and Henry Milander Boulevard all at the SAME time. How is this possible? BECAUSE I AM THERE.

As for Miami Shores property values I wouldn't have a clue since my dad has only lived on NE 98th Street a half-block from the bay for over 30 years and the mayor is a family friend. The place is just an absolute mystery to me.

I'll have to defer to the experts on that one.

Oh, and I think there was something about having a "vote," too. Not sure what exactly we're voting on (maybe who knows why it's called "Haulover" Park or what the "Prins Valdemar" was or who Bill Braucher was and why he's significant to Miami history without Googling any of it)...or maybe it was just a vote on whether somebody moving to London (hypothetically, of course) will ALSO soon join the ranks of ex-residents and therefore cede any and all knowledge of Miami and be regarded as somebody who "might have lived in Miami at some point" and, needless to say, be stripped of their "vote."

(as soon as we figure out what we're voting on, of course)

In any regard, as a native Miamian with deep roots and an abiding interest in my hometown I've voted to stick around this board for a long time..:cheers:

very nice post.

one question though; where is Henry Milander Boulevard? I've lived on Miami soil since 12/18/85, 8:45 AM... not once have i ever heard of such a street.

very nice post.

one question though; where is Henry Milander Boulevard? I've lived on Miami soil since 12/18/85, 8:45 AM... not once have i ever heard of such a street.

LOL...I figured that was a pretty obscure one, Grove. A small stretch of 49th Street in Hialeah is named after Milander, who was Hialeah's mayor for an insanely long stretch (30 years plus) from the 1940s to the 70s.

lol... hialeah.

RX, a while back you posted a pic with a projected skyline sketched in. The picture had a few buildings that appeared to be behind the Biscayne Wall that looked much taller than Marquis and 900. If you give us some info on these buildings, I for one, won't complain about your writing style...Hell, you can even type in size 20 font in bold and italic if that's what suits you. But there are those of us who would really appreciate info on some of the projects that only you know about.

MARCH-MAY OF THIS YEAR FAA AND THE CITY ARE SUPPOSED TO FINALIZE AN AGREEMENT TO ALLOW A DESIGNATED ZONE FOR BUILDINGS OVER 1000FT
UNTIL THAT IS NOT FINALIZED I CANT LEAK THE RENDERINGS...

In any regard, as a native Miamian with deep roots and an abiding interest in my hometown I've voted to stick around this board for a long time..:cheers:

The whole post was well done. I'll vote for that too.

Originally Posted by spellbound
In any regard, as a native Miamian with deep roots and an abiding interest in my hometown I've voted to stick around this board for a long time..

NATIVE MIAMI TREES DON'T HAVE DEEP ROOTS :dunno: I WONDER HOW THE SAME CAN BE FOR A NATIVE MIAMI RESIDENT?

LOL :rofl:

DEEP ROOTS...:lol: FUNNY:lol: ...IN PLANT TERMS YOU WOULD BE A TRANSPLANT.

The whole post was well done. I'll vote for that too.

Thanks, brickell. Always enjoy your stuff as well. :cheers:

I love the fact that Downtown has all those parks on the East side of US1. Talk about great concerts. Went to the FREE Blive Miami concert last week and my friends went to Ultra this week, and it just makes me prowd of Miami. Throw in a heat game or two, some restaurants, movie theater, and hopefully a BASEBALL STADIUM. And let not forget bayside which I went to for the first time in a long time and it was full of bars. (GREAT!!) And the metromover already in place. Makes life easier

The baseball stadium, if built downtown, would be on a parcel of land in western downtown near Government Center, between NW 1st and 2nd Street and 2nd Avenue. The idea to put a stadium in Bicentennial Park is unlikely because of the strong proposal to create Museum Park....(you can see the other thread about it).....it's supposed to have two museums and a lushly landscaped park (similar to Atlanta's Centennial Olympic Park).

The baseball stadium, if built downtown, would be on a parcel of land in western downtown near Government Center, between NW 1st and 2nd Street and 2nd Avenue. The idea to put a stadium in Bicentennial Park is unlikely because of the strong proposal to create Museum Park....(you can see the other thread about it).....it's supposed to have two museums and a lushly landscaped park (similar to Atlanta's Centennial Olympic Park).

Coruna:) ,, my friend,
In my Dream of 2012,
Its Not there :ohno: !!!
but,
I do see it somewhere else in Miami-Dade County, But
its a foggy image of the New Marlins Stadium being built by another stadium, hmmm ...

I see still empty lots in that area in my dreams of 2012.:cheers:

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Very interesting......I guess they want to keep New Yorkers out of their building?

I think it is good to have some transplanted NYC residents living in downtown.....it can provide somewhat of a "New York Atmosphere" to Miami, and of course they all would feel more comfortable and at home in the urban center of Miami, similar to Manhattan, but I think too many New Yorkers is a bad thing........you don't want too many rude, arrogant people, which some, but not all, New Yorkers are.......having some is great, but too many would be too much.....we want to get the good aspects of Manhattan here in Miami, but having too many people like those in New York is not good.....but still that rule at Marinablue sounds pretty weird.....never heard of anything like that before...

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WTF...So I can't buy a condo in Marina Blue? :nuts:

I'm definitely no expert on the law but I think the "legalese" above is nothing more than a consumer protection proviso...probably enacted as a result of shady real-estate transactions conducted over the internet that may have victimized some people recently.

In no way would it preclude anyone from New York buying a condo in Miami...or vice-versa. It's just a legal provision regarding HOW such transactions must take place. I think.

APRIL FOOLS JOKE?

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The world's cities are getting taller – and fast. Between 2001 and 2012, almost as many skyscrapers will be constructed as were built in the entire 20th century. While vertical metropolises like Hong Kong and New York continue to mint monoliths, the most dramatic changes are happening in lower-profile places. Thanks to globalization and the steady migration of people to urban cores, cities that once had only a few high-rises are morphing into mini-Manhattans. Miami, for example, had only five skyscrapers (buildings more than 150 meters, or 492 feet, tall) in 1999 but will have 71 by 2012. Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates, will soar from two in 1999 to 90 by 2012. Here's a snapshot of the world's fastest-changing skylines.

– Patrick Di Justo


http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.12/start.html?pg=6

Is that "Lynx" rising just behind the Wachovia?

NO LYNX IN THAT PICTURE

LAYERED IMAGE BEHIND AND SOUTH OF WACHOVIA INCLUDES

MET3
MET2
EPIC
500BRICKELL
BRICKELL ON THE RIVER
600BRICKELL 900FT TOWER

VILLA MAGNA IS WAY BACK THERE ALSO FOR MY FAIRWEATHERFRIEND

Specifically, what are the two skinny towers (at approximately 800' each) rising behind the Wachovia in that rendering?

IT IS 600 BRICKELL AT OVER 900 FEET TALL

Mike Soligo and Mark Chatten with the wind tunnel test model of the proposed 600 Brickell Avenue development in downtown Miami

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http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/060622/story4.shtml

http://www.edzuck.com/files/pdf/600_Brickell.pdf

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Those are amazing Thanks for the update, I think the tower looks great and is a great addition to the Freedom Tower. Any info on groundbreaking or marketing to US clients? Did you find those from a website?

Did Liberta lose its sculpture on the top? Revuelta usually puts a sculptural element on the top and I thought that this was his best one to date.

liberta....what a chessy name, don't like it at all, as far as i go it will never be anything other than 600biscayne, and arch, when did this have a roof top ornament-for aslong as i can remember it always had the same design.

one of the first released renderings...it bascially has the same design with a few changes in orientation
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It's a little hard to see in this poor quality image, there are definitely better pics somewhere on the forum but the sculpture is there. I often think the sculptures LR does at the top are a little too small, out of scale with a 50 60 story building but this one a was a perfect scale IMO, and I am always so thankful when an architect designs something beautiful to cover his elevator shafts instead of just having some hideous box on top of the building

On EWT:

I have an insider that has been telling me that they have continued to work on the EWT with the city's planning department. The towers have been scaled back, i hear, to 90 stories each, to meet specifications they are trying to negotiate with the FAA. I don't know what the status is of the project or when they will seek financing or city approval. Also, I believe they have been redesigned to be more mixed-use, allotting further space for office, retail, and hotel components...

When I find out more, I'll fill you guys in, but, as far as I know, the project isn't completely dead or a hoax...

Thanks toucano, I believe what you're tellign me but i still have my doubts about this guy....Does he even own the site? Other than that building on SOBE, what else has he developed? Seems a bit too ambitious for me.

nice update rx, with the inside scoop!

and toucano, good 2 hear that, hopefully there still in the "4 digits" height range lol

Hopefully the EWT will get built after all......if it's 90 stories, will it still be over 1,000 feet? A lot of 90-story buildings are over 1,000 feet, but I don't know about these......whatever it takes for them to get built, they should do it!!!

Also: Where exactly is the EWT complex supposed to be located? I know it's in the northern Biscayne area of the CBD, near Marinablue, 10 Museum, and 900 Biscayne, but I don't know whether it will be "behind" those buildings, not actually on Biscayne, or is it just across the street from the bay?

Thanks for all of the updates.

I think its the next block north from Everglades on the Bay. Im not sure of the exact adress but maybe its 4th street? Wherever the Holiday Inn is downtown.

The Eternity Tower created by Flying Concepts and Dos Architects
Dear Shaded Viewers,

http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/4568326

The Eternity Tower created by Flying Concepts and the international firm Dos Architects is one of the more innovative structures being built today. The design has 93 floors and will provide 632 flats. It has been shaped by the wind, inspired by the dunes and the constellations and it works in direct relationship with it's environment. Solar panels provide up to 25% of the total energy consumed in the tower.

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Flying Concepts has has been collaborating with Dos Architects over the past six months and the result is this new building that is sparkling its way into life. The tower is targeted to ignite your 5 senses.

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The mass and thickness of the structure with it's diamond solar panels give a thermal resistance to temperature fluctations thus reducing the cost and the need for air conditioning. The way that the building has been constructed keeps it cool and very 'shaded'. Reservations are now being accepted for the Tower under construction in Miami.

http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/4568326

Wow! That's sexy! Still, too interesting for Miami.

Yeah, I'm bitter.

Explain to me a little more about this tower please, Rx. But is sounds very interesting and very tall. Will it be built in the CBD as I'm assuming, since it's in the "Downtown/CBD" Thread?

TALL PINK AND WITH PLENTY OF "BLING, BLING" THIS TOWER IS VERY MIAMI...

SOURCES STATE THAT SIMILIAR DESIGN CALLED THE INFINITY TOWER IS TO BE BUILT IN DUBAI

Yeah! There are lots of buildings happening in Dubai that would be nice in Miami.

Reservations are now being accepted for the Tower under construction in Miami.

I assume the "under construction" and "has been constructed" parts were typos?

This is not for miami, its been posted many times in the dubai forum its considered a fantasy/vision design, I would not take this project serious in a million years.

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This is not for miami, its been posted many times in the dubai forum its considered a fantasy/vision design, I would not take this project serious in a million years.




It'll rise just as soon as "Verticus" is finished....:lol:

Well it is an interesting concept, but its not to my liking personally.

Well it is an interesting concept, but its not to my liking personally.

Very True Rider of ROHAN:) , my friend,
very unlikely taste for us Miamians :banana: :banana: :banana: !!!

too Skinny, too tall to be knocked down by another Hurricane Andrew:bash: , and be blown apart all over Downtown Miami :ohno:

It would be a Disaster,
I just can't see this type of tall skinny tower anywhere in Miami.
Please only Bulky, Huge, Big and Round Towers for US !!!:cheers:
Like the towers are already approved and going up soon,
and already under construction Towers LIKE ,
900 Biscayne Tower
The Twin over 500 foot Quantum Towers , My best.
1800 Club Tower, Still under construction for 4 years now.
and of course Infinity 1 and 2 towers
with the Capital Towers, and soon in June,
the VILLA MAGNA !!!

The Eternity Tower created by Flying Concepts and Dos Architects
Dear Shaded Viewers,

http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/4568326

The Eternity Tower created by Flying Concepts and the international firm Dos Architects is one of the more innovative structures being built today. The design has 93 floors and will provide 632 flats. It has been shaped by the wind, inspired by the dunes and the constellations and it works in direct relationship with it's environment. Solar panels provide up to 25% of the total energy consumed in the tower.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/583/diamond3qw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Flying Concepts has has been collaborating with Dos Architects over the past six months and the result is this new building that is sparkling its way into life. The tower is targeted to ignite your 5 senses.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6943/nightshotvk9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2571/nighttowerwip011va0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The mass and thickness of the structure with it's diamond solar panels give a thermal resistance to temperature fluctations thus reducing the cost and the need for air conditioning. The way that the building has been constructed keeps it cool and very 'shaded'. Reservations are now being accepted for the Tower under construction in Miami.

http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/4568326

The First Bling Bling Building?

It looks a little like the Fordham Spire they're gonna build in Chicago. Even that building looks out of place there; but at the same time, it still looks awesome and will do wonders for the skyline. As far as I know, the only person in vehement opposition to that building is Trump (for obvious reasons).

I'm up for change and think it would be a nice addition to the skyline. It's a tragedy, however, that the FAA would never let something like this fly... (catch my pun?)

THAT BUILDING WAS DESIGNED FOR DUBAI.

At 31 and 36 floors above the Miami skyline the towers are fast becoming a permanent image in the Miami district. We are scheduled to top the South Tower in July 2007 and the North Tower in August 2007. With the podium scheduled to reach the recreational deck in the month of February, and scheduled to top out in June 2007.

I really like those towers.....that's good news that they're finally making good progress. I have them at 538 feet each, with 49 floors, kind of unusual for a residential building to be that tall with so few floors, must mean high ceilings or something.

http://www.miamirealestatetrends.com/images/StarterImages/Images2/EvergladesMainPic.jpg

^they have that huge ornament on top

Let's HOPE that they haven't value engineereed those beautiful glass pinnacles out of the original design. I hope they light up as well!

chances are that they developer realized the budget wouldn't allow them to do glass and they forced the architect and engineer to change the design to stucco, or concrete with green paint, wouldn't suprise me....this is miami.

Today, April 17, 2007:


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Closer up:

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The obligatory Wall shot:

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I love this friggen city!

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...And this angle:

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I can see my house from here!

Signed,
900BiscayneGuy :lol:

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Marquis doing its thing:

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And finally, for whoever asked...Yes, MarinaBlue still has an ugly ass! :lol:

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Coruna, I'm sorry I could not get any good Brickell shots, as I ran out of time. Hopefully some of the Miami locals can fill the need soon. :okay:

Wow!!!! Very nice. It is amazing to me how fast 900 is zooming up. Thanks for the great pics.:) :banana: :) :banana: :cheers: :banana: :banana:

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FTL?! I love your pictures thanx. I pumped the contrast on this one just so we can study the individual buildings carefully. Your version is much nicer, I hope that was ok? Is this shot from NBV?

I love this friggin city too. What is that on 50 Biscayne? I can't wait to see how these are all lit up at night. I got high hopes!!

I love this friggin city too. What is that on 50 Biscayne? I can't wait to see how these are all lit up at night. I got high hopes!!

That is an advertisement poster, like the one of Shaq on Met 1's scaffolding. It will be removed once the building nears completion, but is up there for now because there's no activity in that part of the building. Am I correct that 50 Biscayne is now topped off?

Thanks for the pics, everything's coming along very nicely. I just can't wait for the top of Met 3 to stick up over all of that stuff in a few years.

Awesome pics! Mind sharing where you were located when you took those distant shots? :lol:

Your version is much nicer, I hope that was ok?

Not a problem at all! Much appreciated in the effort.

Is this shot from NBV?

:applause:

More specifically, Pelican Harbor Park along the 79th St Causeway. ;)

Awesome pics! Mind sharing where you were located when you took those distant shots? :lol:

^^ :okay:

HEY FTL Where is Midtown in your shot?? Behind the massive BLUE??

HEY FTL Where is Midtown in your shot?? Behind the massive BLUE??

if you look at the angle you can see the pic was taken from the north so midtown would not be behind but actually to the right and off the image

i didn't take the pic but I think I'm right on this

Got it. Checked it out at Google Earth, I think you're right. Thanks

The second pic from the top is incredible for its density!

What is that on 50 Biscayne?That is an advertisement poster, like the one of Shaq on Met 1's scaffolding. It will be removed once the building nears completion, but is up there for now because there's no activity in that part of the building.

Here's the full-frame...Is that D-Wade?

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great shots FTL!

I have to join in, very nice shots FTL.

:banana: Looking at the forst FTL shot...if we just got Lyghte and Edgewater Tower those would fill in the two big gaping holes in Edgewater:banana:

Does anyone have a comparison shot for FTL's second picture from, say, 5 years ago? I would love to see that exact same angle to see the change.

-James.

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How tall will that building be?

How tall will that building be?

Not sure Maki...I'll have to bow to the better knowledge of my comrades for the most accurate answer on that one. http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7060/biggrinnu8.gif

Alright, since everyone seemed to like the second shot (and I'm in a good mood :lol: ), here's the full-frame crop:

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Enjoy :okay:

:cheers: I think Opera Tower may be the first in Miami History to have improved from the renderings to construction. The rendering called for the white top of the building to just end as concrete but we can now see it has gotten a nice steel ring and we saw in earlier shots that it will be lit!:)

:cheers: I think Opera Tower may be the first in Miami History to have improved from the renderings to construction. The rendering called for the white top of the building to just end as concrete but we can now see it has gotten a nice steel ring and we saw in earlier shots that it will be lit!:)

I agree. When I was looking at this project, the drawings indicated wrought iron railings. I believe the terrace railings are glass!! :banana:

Maki-Chan, thats about as high as it will reach, where you see it now in the picture...

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How tall will that building be?

50 Biscayne is 554 ft./169 m @ 55 stories

Ok folks this is a bit off topic but I need some help. A friend I work with up here in DC is looking to move to Miami and he needs some help. Any of you guys sell condos or are associated with anyone that does? If so please PM me and let me know so I can get you in touch with him. He is serious so please let me know as soon as you can. Thanks, Jim

I love the vantage point from that park. It's nice to go see the pelicans too. I've always wanted to do a pan from there showing the beach, downtown and midtown.

I love the vantage point from that park. It's nice to go see the pelicans too. I've always wanted to do a pan from there showing the beach, downtown and midtown.

Agreed http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6332/thumbsupdz2.gif

Unfortunately, I didn't have the tripod with me. :bash:

Please send me a email with his info and what hes looking for. I specialize in South Beach and Brickell/Downtown. Please let me know as soon as you can.
davidehoffmann@gmail.com

David H

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Nice renderings, the only problem is that the surrounding landscape (lacking all of the newer buildings) is about 10 years old in that picture. It really makes them stick out and everything, so you must realize: that's not how it would really look with the EWT in place, because there are so many other towers around that area right now.

They do look nice and like I have said in the past, I hope they can work out something with the FAA and get them built.

kobi karp updated these new renderings which means he is still worknig on the project... you never add the other towers into the picture it eliminates the view from prospective buyers...

you never add the other towers into the picture it eliminates the view from prospective buyers...

If that isn't effectively a bait & switch, I don't know what is. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/shake.gif

Its not 10 years old. Looks like they are doing groundwork on Everglades just to the south of EWT and One Miami is done in the picture.

50 Biscayne hasn't started yet, Brickell on the River hasn't started yet, Marinablue hasn't started yet, Four Seasons hasn't started yet, none of the Loft buildings have started yet, would you like me to keep going on??? I know it's not 10 years old because One Miami has already been completed, but it's probably from around 2001-2002 (so 5-6 years old). My point is that the surroundings have changed A LOT since that picture was taken.

Still nice to see though.

Rx -

Didn't I read where you posted that Dade County and the aviation authority had struck an agreement to allow buildings up to 1,000' in the CBD ? And would EWT qualify under that provision ?

I heard the same thing from various sources, but none are official as in from the county.

As for EWT, I think they changed the design so that they are just under 1,000 feet at around 990 or something. Still over 100 floors but under 1,000 feet as opposed to the 1,200 that they were originally. Hey, as long as we get something that's almost 1,000 feet, who cares about the extra 200 feet? It will still be the tallest complex in Miami and it will be the best part of the Biscayne Wall.

Four Seasons was built 4 years before One Miami. Its there its just hidden behind EWT in the first pic and behind Wachovia in the 2nd. Marina Blue wouldn't be visible anyway, and it looks like Everglades and 50 Bisc. were just getting started so I'd say the pic is from around 2006 as you can see that NeoVertika is almost topped out in the background. BOR is there too, you can see it poking out from behind BOA a little in the 1st pic. Loft 1 looks like its blocked behind EWT.

What are you talking about? Marinablue has CLEARLY not started. In one of the pictures you can still see that ugly surface parking lot on the Marinablue site.

At the latest that picture is from early 2005. Probably earlier then that.

DEVELOPERS NEVER USE CURRENT PICTURES BECAUSE THEY WANT YOU TO THINK YOU ARE BUYING A CLEAR VIEW OF THE WATER...

NO OTHER BUILDINGS ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE PICTURE ALSO IT WOULD BE HARD TO PICK OUT WHAT TOWER YOU ARE ACTUALLY BUYING WHEN SO MANY ARE SHOWN AND IT COULD DETRACT YOU FROM BUYING THIER PROJECT AND INQUIRE ABOUT ONE OF THE OTHER TOWERS BEING BUILT...

YOU WILL NEVER SEE A PICTURE WITH ALOT OF BUILDINGS IN IT UNLESS THEY HAVE ALLREADY BEEN THERE FOR YEARS... GET THAT?

"DEVELOPERS WILL NOT USE A CURRENT PIC TO SELL THIER TOWER"

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This is absurdly out of place.

It's not as out of place as you think it is. That is what my point was in making the comments about the picture being outdated. Right now and into the future, there is Marinablue, Everglades on the Bay, 50 Biscayne, 10 Museum Park, 900 Biscayne, 600 Freedom Tower, Loft 2, and Loft 1 all within a few blocks of that site. None of those buildings have even started construction when that picture was taken. The EWT would not look as out of place if you saw them put in an updated picture. Also, with the addition of Met 3 and Brickell Financial Center, both of which will be within 150-200 feet of the EWT, in addition to Four Seasons, the EWT will have some company in being over 900 feet (with Brickell Financial Center).

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50 Biscayne hasn't started yet, Brickell on the River hasn't started yet, Marinablue hasn't started yet, Four Seasons hasn't started yet, none of the Loft buildings have started yet, would you like me to keep going on??? I know it's not 10 years old because One Miami has already been completed, but it's probably from around 2001-2002 (so 5-6 years old). My point is that the surroundings have changed A LOT since that picture was taken.

Still nice to see though.

Well I agree with you for the most part, except One Miami was not completed till 2005. Also Marina Blue isnt in that picture, and the parking lot you see is not the Marina Blue lot, it would be the Paramount lot. You can see a crane sticking out of the lot next to it in one of the pictures, that is Marina.

THE MARINA BLUE SURFACE LOT REFFERED TO IS FURTHER NORTH HE IS CONFUSING IT WITH THE PARAMOUNT PARKING LOT... YOU CAN SEE THE CRANES OF THE MARINA BLUE SITE IN ONE OF THE PICTURES...

DUDE GET SOME GLASSES

50 Biscayne hasn't started yet, Brickell on the River hasn't started yet, Marinablue hasn't started yet, Four Seasons hasn't started yet, none of the Loft buildings have started yet, would you like me to keep going on??? I know it's not 10 years old because One Miami has already been completed, but it's probably from around 2001-2002 (so 5-6 years old). My point is that the surroundings have changed A LOT since that picture was taken.

Still nice to see though.

Actually, One Miami was completed last year 2006! The shell was not done until mid 2005. So the image can not be older than 2005.

I revised my estimate on the picture date if you will continue reading the posts, I said that it is probably from early 2005.

EMPIRE TOWERS SUPER IMPOSED OVER JAMESGOOD PHOTO...
NEW HT IS 1018FT AT 90 FLOORS NOT COUNTING ROOFTOP DESIGN.

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TOWERS NOT OUT OF PLACE

And just wait for 600 Freedom Tower and Paramount Park, and they will fit in even better then right now. I really like this project and hope it gets built as Miami's first supertall over 1,000 feet!

You do realize that if these get built, Miami will forever be associated with taking over the "Twin Towers" nomenclature from New York...

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These things really do have the same "presence" in the skyline that the World Trade Center towers did.

What's that weird coruscant looking building next to marina blue? It's like two dual cylinders... Not 900 biscayne but the thing that's in the middle of liberta and marina blue? Will it get built eventually?

DEVELOPERS NEVER USE CURRENT PICTURES BECAUSE THEY WANT YOU TO THINK YOU ARE BUYING A CLEAR VIEW OF THE WATER...

NO OTHER BUILDINGS ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE PICTURE ALSO IT WOULD BE HARD TO PICK OUT WHAT TOWER YOU ARE ACTUALLY BUYING WHEN SO MANY ARE SHOWN AND IT COULD DETRACT YOU FROM BUYING THIER PROJECT AND INQUIRE ABOUT ONE OF THE OTHER TOWERS BEING BUILT...

YOU WILL NEVER SEE A PICTURE WITH ALOT OF BUILDINGS IN IT UNLESS THEY HAVE ALLREADY BEEN THERE FOR YEARS... GET THAT?

"DEVELOPERS WILL NOT USE A CURRENT PIC TO SELL THIER TOWER"

That's my point. Whether it's normal practice in the real estate market or not, it's still false advertising...IE they are selling you something they know to be false, and leading you to believe you're buying something you're not.

GET THAT?

not at all true florida law does not protect view corridors and the images they are showing you are of the landscape as it is or was at no time do they give you renderings of other towers that might not be developed because then that would be false...

also let me point out that actual tower can change from rendering and renderings are only representations of what the final product might look like case being brickell on the river which had a huge spire on the renderings and later ended up with a small antenna which doesnt even pick up hbo latin :)

parc place or broadway tower was all white the paint job is totally different then all the renderings... its all legal just make sure you read before signing on the dotted line...




THE PROJECT BETWEEN MARINABLUE IS = http://www.royalpalmhomes.com/paramount_park.php
CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE LISTED ABOVE

Ohhhh I see, so that's paramount park, I had it confused with paramount bay. Thanks man.

I wonder if it will get built considering it's so late into the game...

NOTICE THE PLACING THE CURRENT TOP TWO WOULD DROP IF THE PROPOSED TOWERS GOT BUILT...



01. Empire World Tower I...........1,200 ft [PROPOSED]
02. Empire World Tower II..........1,200 ft [PROPOSED]
03. One Bayfront Plaza..............1,180 ft [PROPOSED]
04. Brickell Financial Center...........903 ft [PROPOSED]
05. 1101 Brickell...........................849 ft [PROPOSED]
06. Met 3......................................828 ft [PROPOSED]
07. Brickell CitiCentre II..................808 ft [PROPOSED]
08. Brickell Flatiron.......................794 ft [PROPOSED]
09. Four Seasons Hotel & Tower.....789 ft [COMPLETED]
10. Brickell CitiCentre I.................769 ft [PROPOSED]


11. Wachovia Financial Center.......764 ft [COMPLETED]
12. Paramount Park......................756 ft [PROPOSED]
13. Lynx West Central tower..........746 ft [PROPOSED]
14. 1490 Biscayne Boulevard..........744 ft [PROPOSED]
15. Brickell CitiCentre II.................740 ft [PROPOSED]
16. Infinity II................................736 ft [PROPOSED]
17. 900 Biscayne Bay....................712 ft [UNDER/CONST]
18. Columbus Centre.....................710 ft [PROPOSED]
19. Marquis..................................679 ft [UNDER/CONST]
20. Lynx East Central Tower...........678 ft [PROPOSED]

Ohhhh I see, so that's paramount park, I had it confused with paramount bay. Thanks man.

I wonder if it will get built considering it's so late into the game...

Paramount Park will not be built until Paramount Bay is completed.

I think that by building the EWT, huge attention would get put on Miami's downtown and more people would be interested in being a part of downtown by either working there or living there. On top of that, I really do think Miami needs a 1000 footer and not just to compete with other cities (although we deserve it) but because of the attention, media, and increased interest these towers would bring to the area. Downtown needs all the people and life it can get. Once all these towers are done, yes it's going to get much better there but the EWT are going to bring everyone's eyes on Miami to truly see the new change Miami has done.

Paramount Park will not be built until Paramount Bay is completed.

Oh ok, thankx for the info.

Paramount bay is scheduled for a summer 2009 completion so I guess Marina Blue residents have about two years worth of unobstructed views. Maybe they're lucky and paramount park developers hold off the project for a while given the market saturation.

Why would the developers have announced that they were launching late 2006 if not breaking ground until 2009 ?

Very nice point, Rx.

Here is my prediction on all of those buildings you mentioned:

01. Empire World Tower I...........1,200 ft [PROPOSED]
02. Empire World Tower II..........1,200 ft [PROPOSED]

03. One Bayfront Plaza..............1,180 ft [PROPOSED]

04. Brickell Financial Center...........903 ft [PROPOSED]
This will get built, with completion of the 903 foot tower in 2012.

05. 1101 Brickell...........................849 ft [PROPOSED]
This will not get built. The developer is not in a good situation and the building has made no progress after being approved over 2 years ago.

06. Met 3......................................828 ft [PROPOSED]
This will get built, with completion in 2011-2012. Like I have said before, I think Met 3 will get started sometime in the next 6 months, whenever Met 1 is finished (which should be pretty soon, it looks almost complete). This will be Miami's tallest at least for a brief amount of time when completed.

07. Brickell CitiCentre II..................808 ft [PROPOSED]
This will get built. When, I don't know, but I have hopes for the Brickell CitiCentre complex, especially this building.

08. Four Seasons Hotel & Tower.....794 ft [COMPLETED] (I beleive this is 794 feet from several sources, it's not 789)
Completed

09. Brickell Flatiron.......................794 ft [PROPOSED]
I really don't know, but I love the design. It's too good not to get built. Completion in 2012.

10. Brickell CitiCentre I.................769 ft [PROPOSED]
See above at Brickell CitiCentre II

11. Wachovia Financial Center.......764 ft [COMPLETED]
Completed

12. Paramount Park......................756 ft [PROPOSED]
This will get built, but construction won't start until after Paramount Bay is completed. Completion time around 2011-2013. A nice addition to the Biscayne Wall and possibly the tallest in that area if the EWT never get built.

13. Lynx West Central tower..........746 ft [PROPOSED]
This will NOT happen. Lynx was a joke of a project from the very beginning, and signs clearly point to it not happening. Nice idea, but this one can be taken off the list.

14. 1490 Biscayne Boulevard..........744 ft [PROPOSED]
Don't know much about this project. Could someone give me some information?

15. Brickell CitiCentre II.................740 ft [PROPOSED]
See my comments above about Brickell CitiCentre.

16. Infinity II................................736 ft [PROPOSED]
This will get built. Although some say no because sales are lagging, when Infinity I is completed, Infinity II will begin construction. They will get enough sales to build it and this will be completed in 2012-2013.

17. 900 Biscayne Bay....................712 ft [UNDER/CONST]
Completion in late 2007. Opening in 2008.

18. Columbus Centre.....................710 ft [PROPOSED]
This will not get built.

19. Marquis..................................679 ft [UNDER/CONST]
Completion in late 2008/early 2009.

20. Lynx East Central Tower...........678 ft [PROPOSED]
Read my comments above about Lynx. Not happening.

None of these towers mentioned will be built or if they are it will be at a reduced hieght and will be more mixed use. except maybe met3, although I wouldn't be surprised to see this return to met3 version 2.0 which had 2 towers instead of one.

None of these towers mentioned will be built or if they are it will be at a reduced hieght and will be more mixed use. except maybe met3, although I wouldn't be surprised to see this return to met3 version 2.0 which had 2 towers instead of one.

Sadly, I think I'm inclined to agree with my friend Suzy Sunshine here. Although I'm still better than 50:50 on Met 3 going up as currently designed.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see heretofore unannounced projects as tall as 1,000; feet go up over the next decade or so, if what Rx said about relaxation of height limits is true.

Does anyone have any pictures of the Columbus Centre and/or any information as to it's location? I thought that building was replaced by the awful 50 Biscayne...

I think Columbus Center is that building in Southwestern Brickell, near the Roads neighborhood. It will be near Capital at Brickell, Four Seasons, and One Broadway, but a bit further south and west. It was opposed by residents of single-family homes in the area at a recent meeting. It will be about the size of 900 Biscayne Bay if built.

It is highly unlikely that Columbus Center will be built as currently proposed. It wasn't approved at the meeting Coruna mentioned and is running out of time before the Miami 21 charter will force a redesign. Same thing goes for almost all of the really tall proposed buildings that haven't been approved yet.

EDIT: I should stop posting now. Maybe I'll make a new account and leave this one at 305. :)

Just to point out something: Met 3 and Brickell Financial Center, at 828 and 903 feet respectively, have already been approved, so I think those are the two most likely ones on that list to get built. I agree with you that Columbus Center will probably not get built, but with some of the others I'm somewhat more optimistic.

Interesting idea. I guess it makes sense to move the law school to be near all the courthouses:

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/070426/story5.shtml

Officials considering move UM law school downtown

By Risa Polansky
University of Miami School of Law administrators are considering moving the school from Coral Gables to downtown Miami — which could be instrumental in the growth and improvement of the area, says Dana Nottingham, executive director of the Downtown Development Authority.
"Downtown educational institutions are critical to the evolution of downtown as a premier residential address, recognized international business center and compelling urban tourism destination," he said. "Colleges are critical to building a livable community as well as retaining, expanding and diversifying our international business infrastructure.
"Colleges downtown create vitality and promote lifelong learning, which is key to building a community," he said.
Downtown developers recently approached UM law-school officials to suggest the move, said UM School of Law Dean Dennis Lynch. "In respect to the redevelopment of downtown, that might be a very positive thing," he said.
They are entertaining the possibility, he said, although he did not name any potential downtown sites or a timetable for a move. "There are a lot of different options," and officials are "just trying to find out what's really feasible, what locations might be possible," he said. "We're just looking for ways to improve our existing facility."
The school, with enrollment of 1,200, has outgrown its current home at 1311 Miller Dr., Mr. Lynch said. "We now occupy close to 200,000 square feet and have plans on the current campus to add 30-some thousand," he said. "If we were to build a new facility, it would be about 250,000 square feet."
While the school is $4 million into a $24 million fundraising campaign to fund a proposed on-campus expansion included in the university's 25-year expansion plan approved by Coral Gables city commissioners early this month, efforts have "slowed down" in that drive as the school considers other options such as building downtown, Mr. Lynch said.
Administrators "really haven't reached the point where we've sat down and discussed the funding plans" for building a new school downtown, but they are aware of the doors it would open.
The location would lend itself to a "relationship with the legal community," Mr. Lynch said.
Advantages to remaining on campus, such as proximity to schools in which students can earn joint degrees, may keep the law school in the Gables, he said.
Several colleges and universities are based downtown — including Miami Dade College's Wolfson Campus, 300 NE Second Ave.; Florida International University's College of Business Administration in the Macy's building, 22 E. Flagler St.; and Miami International University of Art and Design in the Omni building, 1501Biscayne Blvd.

Great idea...

Great idea. I would love to see it in the western part of the CBD, where there aren't as many offices and condos as the rest of downtown. That area is where the courthouses are, the Stephen P. Clark center, the site of the Marlins stadium, Museum Tower, etc. If they could take one of those parking garages or old retail buildings and build a new law school there it would really be great for the area.

Anyways, no matter where they build it, it will be a great addition to downtown's education opportunities, and it will be nice in the legal district of western downtown.

It makes sense that colleges particularly graduate level programs help build livable communities. If students have early morning classes and late night study sessions in the library, they're going to want to live near school where ever it is. (This is how a program like UM's Law School would differ from FIU and Miami Dade programs which have a lot of part time commuting students. It's one thing to commute for one or two weekly classes and another when a majority of waking hours are spent at school.) And if the area is nice, so will many of the full time faculty.

I HOPE THE COUNTY LOSES CONTROL THEY HAVE SQUANDERED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND PRODUCED NOTHING IN OVER 20 YEARS...

County commissioners brace for fight over housing agency

By Ted Carter
Miami-Dade commissioners went into lock-and-load mode Tuesday in their dealings with the US Department of Housing and Urban Development over control of the county's housing agency.
The county has been trying for several weeks to talk the federal government out of taking control of the county's long-troubled housing agency. But with Tuesday's 6-2 commission vote, the talking may stop and litigation may begin.
The motion introduced by Commissioner Dennis Moss and passed by the commission directs staff to "vigorously defend" the commission's right to administer the housing agency.
Mayor Carlos Alvarez was on hand to push for a tough stand. "We've done everything humanly possible to reach an agreement," the mayor said of a series of talks he and other county officials have had with Department of Housing officials in Washington.
Tell the feds, he told commissioners, ""If you want to take it, try it. We'll see you in court."'
County negotiators had been under direction from the commission to seek a deal with the federal agency without ceding control of the housing agency. That inflexibility was not helpful, said Commissioner Carlos Gimenez, who joined Commissioner Javier Souto in opposing legal action.
"Negotiations haven't been able to move to middle ground," Mr. Gimenez said. "I would hope they would try to reach an accord. I don't think we have given you the tools to reach an accord," he told county negotiators. "If we fight, I think we're going to lose."
So does Mr. Souto. "Guys, don't fool around with Washington," he said.
Mr. Gimenez said he "is not so keen" on having the county maintain control of a housing agency that has let millions of dollars disappear and failed to produce much housing for the poor. "I wouldn't have major heartburn" over Washington seizing control, he said.
Neither would Mr. Souto, who said he lost faith in the local housing agency after it failed to deliver on a pair of housing developments in his district.
The Department of Housing and Urban Development has put 11 housing agencies around the country under receivership — including agencies in San Francisco, New Orleans, Boston and Kansas City, according to County Attorney Murray Greenberg, who said he thinks Miami-Dade may be the only one controlled by a county's governing body. Most, he said, are run by boards independent of local elected officials.
Mr. Greenberg said the county could face a tough fight. "I'm not promising success," he said. "The federal government is a powerful entity — they have the guns and the bullets."
The majority of commissioners say they fear that losing control of the housing agency could cost the county ownership of housing assets the federal agency helped fund. "They can take control of the assets, they can sell the assets," Mr. Greenberg said.
Cynthia Curry, special assistant to County Manager George Burgess, said US housing officials would be able to nullify contracts the local agency has made and could turn management of assets over to residential management companies or non-profit organizations.
Commissioners contend the county has made long strides in fixing problems with the housing agency and has put more professional managers in place there. "We need to stand our ground," Mr. Moss said.
"If we don't succeed and can't turn the agency around, I'll gladly join everyone and say to federal HUD: "Here, take the agency.' But we're not at that point," Mr. Moss said.
Commissioner Barbara Jordan said she could see a scenario in which the Department of Housing mandates that all federally subsidized housing in the county more than 40 years old must be demolished. With federal officials in control, she said, there'd be nothing the commission could do about it. But, she said, "the public would hold us responsible."
Another consideration, said Mr. Moss, is the commission's responsibility to maintain the authority voters gave it. "We need to stand our ground."

http://miamitodaynews.com/news/070426/story3.shtml

HOUSING AGENCY
Feds fast-tracked Dade housing agency takeover
When public-housing problems surfaced in other cities, the federal government often waited years for the kind of takeover now unfolding in Miami-Dade.
BY MATTHEW I. PINZUR AND LISA ARTHUR
mpinzur@MiamiHerald.com


Detroit's housing agency gave payments to unapproved contractors, left more than 40 percent of its jobs unfilled and lost track of $2 million at a single project, but the federal government waited years before taking control.

The Sarasota agency was listed among the nation's worst for years in the late 1990s and again in 2004, but the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development offered to help it fix itself before finally taking over.

In Newark, the housing authority used money meant for public housing to buy land for the New Jersey Devils hockey team's new arena, and its director had four family members on staff. It was ultimately found to have misused $20 million, but HUD allowed it to hold on to power, as long as it continues to follow a strict reform timeline.

''My experience in the past is that federal HUD likes to see the local authorities take things over themselves,'' said Stephen Finn, who served as the executive director of the Newark Coalition for Low Incoming Housing in the mid 1990s.

That's not so in Miami-Dade County.

Here, where the first evidence of widespread financial and management problems came less than a year ago, HUD has been far more strict. If county leaders do not invite a federal takeover, HUD plans to seize control next month.

''Our decision has been made,'' said HUD Deputy Secretary Roy Bernardi.

He said the problems at the Miami-Dade Housing Agency are so deep, so wide and so egregious that HUD cannot offer the intermediate measures that normally precede takeovers.

County leaders, who are fighting the takeover, said Miami-Dade is being treated unfairly. Mayor Carlos Alvarez and many county commissioners said HUD would disrupt their own ongoing reform efforts.

''If we're doing all the right things, why do they want to step in?'' Alvarez said. ``It doesn't make any sense.''

LEGAL BATTLE AHEAD

The county's attorneys suggest HUD might be overstepping its legal bounds, saying the federal government has not taken all the steps required to justify a takeover.

''They still have to abide by federal law,'' said County Attorney Murray Greenberg, who was directed by the commission Thursday to prepare for a court battle.

But the U.S. Housing Act, a federal law created in 1937, gives HUD the power to take over any agency found in default. Last week, HUD declared such default on both Miami-Dade's public housing and its Section 8 rental-assistance voucher program.

''We want to correct the situation and then give it back to Miami-Dade,'' Bernardi said. ``But right now people are not being served.''

Federal housing takeovers are rare; only five of the country's 3,200 public-housing agencies are being run by HUD, and four other takeovers have ended since late 2004.

Most gain federal attention -- and public scrutiny -- when their scores on an annual HUD checkup fall to unacceptable levels. The most recent scores in Miami-Dade were good, an overall score of 85 out of 100, and the agency has been labeled a ''standard performer'' since at least 2003.

''Every year they would come down here and say everything's OK,'' Alvarez said last week.

Much of the data used to generate those scores, however, comes from the local agency, not HUD. In Miami-Dade, Bernardi is skeptical -- he accused the agency of using ''fuzzy math'' in its financial reports and said he was being generous to describe its record-keeping as ``suspect.''

Moreover, poor scores are not necessary for a takeover, Bernardi said. The housing agency in Beaumont, Texas, had ''standard performer'' scores before it was taken over in 2000 due to violations of the Fair Housing Act.

In general, HUD administrators waved off comparisons to other cities.

''Every receivership is different,'' said HUD Assistant Secretary Orlando Cabrera, the former Miamian who has loomed large in the takeover negotiations.

In Newark, for example, the mayor did not seek re-election, the independent housing authority board resigned and its director ''retired,'' Cabrera said, drawing attention to his hand-mimed quotes around the term.

In Miami-Dade, housing is overseen by county government -- the commission, which has had the same 13 members since 2005; County Manager George Burgess, appointed in 2002; and Alvarez, elected in 2004 but not given day-to-day control of the government until this year.

That has left Bernardi leery of allowing the agency to reform itself. ''Just because you hang out a shingle and say you're under new management doesn't restore credibility,'' he said.

Alvarez said his administration has done more than proclaim renewed effort, pointing to a table of specific reform plans with specific deadlines. ''We have done a lot of things without HUD's help,'' Alvarez said.

He has questioned whether HUD can even provide the quantity and quality of resources that Miami-Dade has assigned to the problems since last year. U.S. Rep. Kendrick Meek, who also opposes the takeover, said in a letter to Alvarez: ``There is no reason to believe that HUD will repair the agency as well or any faster than Dade is already doing.''

RESOURCES A QUESTION

Finn, the former activist from Newark, said HUD struggles to find strong leaders for takeovers.

''HUD's basic problem is finding an entity to take over local agencies that has a track record of delivering,'' he said. ``It becomes very hard for HUD to try to step in itself and manage because they usually don't have the needed staff levels.''

Bernardi said HUD will use the Miami-Dade agency's existing leadership, plus pull resources from its offices in Miami, Washington and possibly elsewhere.

''You can talk about plans, but they've had plans over the years, and those plans have gone awry,'' Bernardi said. ``Our concern is with execution and delivery.''

Miami Herald writer Logan Jaffe contributed to this report.


THIS IS WHERE COUNTY GETS MONEY TO PAYOFF ITS FRIENDS, THEY GIVE AWAY MILLIONS TO SO CALLED CONTRACTORS-DEVELOPERS-NON PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO BUILD HOUSING WHICH NEVER TAKES PLACE... THEY DONT WANT TO GIVE UP CONTROL CAUSE THATS WHERE THE MONEY SQUANDERING/THEFT HAS OCCURED... SHAME ON MIAMI DADE THEY STEAL FROM THE POOR

I was looking through the Miami Herald website and I saw the photo of the day and there's a picture of downtown construction and the caption says:

"A construction worker stands at the 15th floor of the Ten Museum Park condo towers in downtown Miami. Experts at the National Association of Home Builders' three-day conference held in Hollywood say the next step for the housing market will be more of the same: declining sales and an overabundance of vacant units."

Damn, they really do hate all type of urban development. Everytime they mention tower construction or new proposals, the Miami Herald always puts a negative view to it. Honestly, what's their problem?

Someone should really put them in their place and tell them that is not 10 Museum Park! It is 900 Biscayne. I'm pretty sure anyway. Revuelta has the pointy balconies.

Just thinking about the constructive criticism on the back of Marina Blue, and looking at the website for Oasis on the Bay because their advertising about old Miami prices is so aggressive and convincing. 175,000 for a one bedroom. But half of those 100's and 100's of units have no water view, because they are on the back side of the building. I sure would rather have all those units with water views and what some consider less than optimum back side of a building. Actually though I think the back of Marina Blue will be much like the back of BLUE which I think is really nice, very tropical modern with its exposed hallways. I think the front of smooth glass and the back of white concrete grid is a nice point and counterpoint. And all the units have great views. Its a shame HALF of Oasis units do not.

Just to let you guys know, the Holiday Inn on Biscayne just north of Everglades was previously for sale.

It was listed on www.loopnet.com and I first noticed it as far back as 6 months ago. I was fooling around on there looking at other stuff, and decided to check on it, and the listing was gone. When it was listed, the listing price was "not disclosed". They did however advertise "no height limits" in the listing (lol).

I wonder if someone purchased the property. You would think only a developer with other plans for the land would have purchased the property. It wouldn't make any sense (or money) to continue to run it as a hotel considering how much the property must have gone for.

Anyone know the details???

Isn't that the supposed "empire world" site.

Does anyone have any information on wen 600 biscayne will break ground! thats the building i wanna see go up!

If you're talking about liberta on the freedom tower site, i believe that won't go up until quite some time.

These were taken with my cellphone from the metromover today, sunday may 06 at sunrise. The metromover's windows are pretty dirty so don't blame me!

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Great pictures. I'll try to get out there and take some pictures soon so I can contribute in that category. All of the pictures that you see are probably one of the best things about this forum.

Great pictures, especially from a cell phone, amazing.

SOMEONE ASKED FOR THIS PIC EARLIER

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6826/64910970xwlgzvfsgq9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ I remember that day very well. Sort of Miami's first and only volcano...:cheers:

One Bayfront Plaza is going to go before the Planning Board on May 16th. Here are the stats:

70-stories, 1049 feet tall, 850 hotel rooms, a whopping 2,124,000 sqft of office space, 120,000 sqft of "exibition/banquet" area, 112,000 sqft of retail space and 2560 parking spaces. It is expected to cost Tibor Hollo $1.3 Billion to build it.

On the FAA issue the City states that the building does not comply with the MD Aviation Dept height ordinance. It states the current height allowed by the MDAD is only 949 feet at that location, and that the County would need to pass an ordinance to allow taller buildings. Here is the quote (from page 32 of the doc below):

"The project as presented exceeds the current maximum allowed height of the Miami-Dade Aviation Dept of 949 feet AMSL. If prior to the issuance of the buiding permit for One Bayfront Plaza, Miami-Dade Couty adopts a new ordinance that allows for greater height (1,049 feet AMSL) then this project may be built to the highest approved height by said Ordinance"

http://egov.ci.miami.fl.us/Legistarweb/Attachments/34611.pdf