View Full Version : #255 l Charlton Centre l JOHANNESBURG l 223m l 50fl


RafflesCity
April 18th, 2003, 09:58 PM
Charlton Centre
Johannesburg, South Africa

HEIGHT: 223m/730 feet
FLOORS: 50 floors
COMPLETION: 1973
ARCHITECT: Skidmore, Owings & Merril (SOM)

http://photo.starblvd.net/RateOurTalls/1-1-5-1078348081?m=1&pg=0&ro=0&co=4

http://photo.starblvd.net/RateOurTalls/2-3-5-1076689930?m=1&pg=1&ro=2&co=4

http://photo.starblvd.net/RateOurTalls/2-4-1-1079086063?m=1&pg=1&ro=3&co=0

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/664/81carlton_pic2.jpg

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/664/1479carlton-big.jpg

Wu-Gambino
April 19th, 2003, 01:12 AM
4/10

Pathetic, however it seems to fit for Africa's tallest building.

SteelCity32
April 19th, 2003, 03:09 AM
I don't care for it.

5/10

BGT
April 19th, 2003, 05:30 AM
4.5/10

Muse
April 20th, 2003, 08:24 AM
70s SOM ...

....errrr, 4

RafflesCity
April 20th, 2003, 05:15 PM
5.5/10

I cant believe that this was allowed to be Africa's tallest for such a long time and still is!

renell
April 21st, 2003, 10:48 AM
5/10. what a bore.

stanford
April 22nd, 2003, 01:56 AM
not even africa deserves this crap.

4/10

Hacksaw
April 22nd, 2003, 01:57 AM
I sorta like it. It fits in with the rest of the skyline... 6/10

X-seed 4000
April 22nd, 2003, 06:48 AM
It kinda blows... 4.0/10

Ashram
April 25th, 2003, 06:09 PM
5/10..............well atleast it's tall.

Jase Calvin
April 28th, 2003, 07:14 PM
No imagination whatsoever. Knock it down for something better. 3/10.

TropicalSQ744
May 10th, 2003, 05:55 PM
At least its from South Africa.. But i do agree its design needs a thorough review! >(

6.5/10

huaiwei
May 28th, 2003, 12:29 PM
A uninspiring box gets my standard 4/10 vote.

Labrador
July 19th, 2003, 03:28 PM
6/10
Okay. It's tall and stand's out. Not that bad.

SkyHawk
July 21st, 2003, 04:42 PM
Uhmmm

5/10

enzo
July 24th, 2003, 07:04 AM
Ugh. Another SOM "masterpiece".

>3

New Jack City
July 29th, 2003, 05:40 AM
6/10...Very dull, bland, unimaginative. Though I do like how it blends in with the natural landscape, and gives you the sense it wasn't man made.

james2390
August 8th, 2003, 05:18 AM
ugly, 7

AtlanticaC5
August 24th, 2003, 09:50 PM
Quite boring box, 5.5/10

Liz L
August 25th, 2003, 09:46 AM
4/10 - Dull, almost ugly slab that's too fat to soar well, with a facade that makes no attempt to dance with the light at all...

Sheesh! THAT'S by SOM?!! Did one of their interns get the job by mistake?

The Messiah
August 28th, 2003, 04:26 PM
It's a dull tower.No good..
4.5/10

SUNNI
August 29th, 2003, 12:07 PM
I usually love SOMs buildings ...but...thins one is errr...
4/10

Patrick
September 10th, 2003, 03:02 PM
facade: i hate it!
form: it's a box, in combination with this ugly facade ->
points: 1/10

SeeMacau
September 11th, 2003, 12:28 PM
Tall and ugly
6/10

Fabio
November 8th, 2003, 06:24 PM
5/10


I don't like it

airsickpenthousedweller
November 8th, 2003, 10:41 PM
Needs better pictures, now I can only rate it 6/10

johnrosstaiwan
December 5th, 2003, 06:09 PM
10/10. My favorite building in the world.

Sounds stupid?? It was my first skyscraper.I grew up on the countryside of South Africa and this was my first. I was only 12 years old when I saw it for the first time.The Carlton Center was already 14 years old by that time.

How can you forget your first ????

This building was the beginning of my love for skyscrapers.How can I put into words?? Those of you who truly love skyscrapers will understand.

:angel1: :angel1: :angel1: :angel1: :angel1: :angel1: :angel1:

TYW
December 19th, 2003, 08:51 AM
just a box
just a 6

Aquarius
December 21st, 2003, 05:00 PM
2/10, very very ugly

alex3000
December 23rd, 2003, 03:56 AM
3/10

7 World Trade
April 23rd, 2004, 04:04 AM
the color's not bad, but those detached support columns from the main building that creates a caged look makes it look absolutely low quality.

6.5

Desven
July 7th, 2004, 07:00 PM
this ugly building is #173???????????
3 or less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agent Orange
July 14th, 2004, 09:02 AM
A hideous building that no city should have the disgrace having this as their tallest. If only you could rate a building 1/10.

Trances
July 14th, 2004, 09:53 AM
Dull box
nice outer shell with rough rendering but nothing much to to save it
4/10

Schroedinger's Cat
July 14th, 2004, 02:55 PM
5.5/10

DamienK
August 3rd, 2004, 04:20 PM
Boring box. 6/10

SChristopher
September 7th, 2004, 09:01 PM
3...looks like a giant skyscraper version of a Target store

David3820
September 18th, 2004, 09:16 PM
Oh there just so much sence of hopelesness in this one but it doesn't bother me that much. 3.5/10

Hed Kandi
October 24th, 2004, 11:04 AM
looking at age size and location 8

Þróndeimr
October 24th, 2004, 02:50 PM
Boring and ugly, 4/10

kota16
October 24th, 2004, 03:41 PM
I enjoyed the view from the top floor, so I give it 5. The Hotel section was very ritzy.

Curtis
October 24th, 2004, 04:14 PM
8

I like this kind of 'bland' 1970's Architecture. For that same reason I really like the Singapore Land Tower.

Monkey
October 31st, 2004, 01:31 AM
5/10

Dull beyond belief. The only interesting thing is its height.

Winus
November 2nd, 2004, 07:23 PM
I think a 4 is quite high

empersouf
November 12th, 2004, 04:05 PM
7.0 for the tallest building of Africa. But why is it a Box :'(

joburg
November 14th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Unfortunately it's as boring as hell.

5/10.

Us South Africans seem to be extremely conservative when it comes to building design. The current trend is anti-skyscraper (there are only two in Johannesburg currently under construction), and all embracing of squat, cliched and boring office blocks. It's an eye sore! :(

tritown
November 14th, 2004, 10:56 PM
It's a little dull...6...it's a shame that the tallest couldn't be something more original.

Agglomeration
November 18th, 2004, 04:36 PM
Pretty average for a skyscraper, but it's still important to the city's economy and character considering how poor the country is. Better than nothing I guess. 6/10

andysimo123
November 22nd, 2004, 03:06 PM
4/10

R@ptor
February 28th, 2005, 03:44 PM
3.0/10

Africa really deserves a better highest building!

Reflex
March 3rd, 2005, 10:59 PM
5/10.

Medo
March 7th, 2005, 06:08 AM
4/10 looks like an eyesore, oh wait it is an eyesore.

MattSal
March 20th, 2005, 05:38 AM
Africa deserves better. Still, an okay building. I give it a 7/10.

VanSeaPor
March 24th, 2005, 09:40 PM
How dull and boring, looks dirty, with 1oo% room for improvement. 3.5/10. :down:

Sonic from Padova
March 26th, 2005, 12:20 PM
It's really UGLY, 3!

Chibcha2k
April 1st, 2005, 06:37 AM
I like it...maybe after a reclad...it would look awesome
8/10

superskyline
April 9th, 2005, 02:58 AM
very plain and boring, I don't like the facade that much
6/10

Alfa
April 15th, 2005, 07:21 PM
Way to flat.Maybe acceptable in the time it was build but now ...

3/10

BTW:Is it Johannesburg tallest tower?

clive330
April 18th, 2005, 02:20 AM
There are 2 standalone observation / comms towers that are taller, but it is the tallest office building

Service Lift Attendant
April 18th, 2005, 05:48 AM
A 223m high tire-fire would be more appealing than this totem of trash.

clive330
April 18th, 2005, 07:26 AM
It does make you wonder how bad all the designs that this one beat were!

SoboleuS
April 22nd, 2005, 02:11 PM
I like boxes, but this one is rather average ;) 6/10

B@dGuYoM
April 22nd, 2005, 08:17 PM
6/10 for its size

get13
April 24th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Very dull and bland. A boring box
4/10

EdZed
April 26th, 2005, 07:02 AM
5/10
Must be such an eyesore

mtb_nz
April 26th, 2005, 07:07 AM
ewwwwwww 3/10

Minneapolitan
May 12th, 2005, 07:08 AM
4/10

Pathetic, however it seems to fit for Africa's tallest building.

^How smug and arrogant.

I have always liked this building. One of the striking features of this building is the way the outer facade is disconnected from the windows, almost forming a skeletal structure hanging the rest of the building from it. A cool effect.

7.5

DRAKKO
May 12th, 2005, 07:11 PM
7/10

Phobos
May 12th, 2005, 11:19 PM
5/10

It needs to be redesigned.

Latoso
May 28th, 2005, 09:37 AM
7.5/10 Materials could be better.

Wssps
May 28th, 2005, 09:45 PM
For that time, I think it was very creative >>>>>>> 5.5 :P

Jules
June 5th, 2005, 11:27 PM
Boring. 4.

Fern
June 6th, 2005, 12:47 AM
:puke: 0!!!

thryve
July 6th, 2005, 02:34 AM
It was to Johannesburg what the Trade Centre was to New York... a big, brash, tall tower that still got loved by just about everybody... Its not pretty, but linear, simple, and timeless you could say.

Imperfect Ending
July 6th, 2005, 09:26 AM
0/10

MAKE IT GO AWAY!

ROYAL BLUE
July 6th, 2005, 11:50 PM
6/10

CborG
July 13th, 2005, 12:36 PM
It looks likr it has been abandoned for a long time, 4.5/10

El_Greco
August 17th, 2005, 08:29 PM
6/10

1984 D.F.
September 3rd, 2005, 07:18 AM
3/10 it´s big box.

marpa
September 24th, 2005, 02:22 AM
I like boxes, but this one is rather average

7/10

drmadham
September 24th, 2005, 02:31 AM
blagh! ill give it 4.5 only cause it was in johannesburg during the 70's. other than that - "make it go away"

jimm
September 28th, 2005, 12:57 PM
9/10

SGoico
October 12th, 2005, 07:59 PM
3,5 Nothing to say

Accura4Matalan
October 22nd, 2005, 05:44 PM
4/10 :puke:

ChiLooper
October 22nd, 2005, 08:04 PM
4.5/10

clarky
October 23rd, 2005, 03:45 PM
6/10

www.sercan.de
October 27th, 2005, 11:24 AM
look like a multi-storey car park

3/10

۩SkyScraper۩
October 30th, 2005, 07:24 AM
5/10

Skylandman
November 1st, 2005, 01:10 PM
3.5/10

Pengui
November 15th, 2005, 09:59 AM
International-style, concrete, way too big, this one has everything to please !
Africa deserves a better tallest (the sooner the better).
0.5 (for holding a record).

ChiLooper
November 16th, 2005, 11:13 PM
4/10

forvine
December 9th, 2005, 04:03 PM
the facade looks dirty 5/10

Sinjin P.
December 10th, 2005, 10:44 AM
5.5/10

JAB323
January 2nd, 2006, 03:52 AM
I love it because I love anything South African

mr_storms
January 4th, 2006, 03:54 AM
5/10

Scruffy88
January 9th, 2006, 07:07 AM
Looks skeletal. 5/10 solely for being the tallest building on the entire continent

Fallout
January 13th, 2006, 12:19 AM
What is it? Prison? Barracks? Largest multi-storey parking in the world?

3.0 or less

FROM LOS ANGELES
January 13th, 2006, 01:55 AM
I would like it if the walls on the front were made from other material. It sucks. 5/10

kylof
February 4th, 2006, 12:10 AM
And some of you write that the Palace of Culture (Warsaw) is ugly :)

warnings
February 5th, 2006, 12:34 AM
5/10

Harkeb
February 7th, 2006, 08:03 AM
unimaginative apartheid-era architecture, eventhough it was once one of the best hotels in the world.

Moren-o
February 12th, 2006, 02:54 PM
horrible, but maybe it can use some more pics.

skipperBill
March 5th, 2006, 08:43 PM
6.5/10.

Henk
April 27th, 2006, 10:56 PM
4/10.

anakin
April 28th, 2006, 09:15 AM
4/10

dżimi pejdż
April 29th, 2006, 01:35 PM
3/10

Skyman
May 5th, 2006, 03:30 PM
4/10

ZZ-II
June 14th, 2006, 07:45 PM
it's ok 8/10

Erebus555
June 19th, 2006, 08:51 PM
U.G.L.Y 4/10.

_zner_
June 23rd, 2006, 08:38 AM
7.

virarch
July 5th, 2006, 07:34 AM
3/10

gutooo
July 16th, 2006, 07:53 PM
5/10

Mosaic
August 22nd, 2006, 10:52 AM
5/10

Dreamlıneя
October 26th, 2006, 09:35 AM
4/10

weirdo
November 5th, 2006, 07:08 PM
i dunno if it's just me, but i don't see anything.

W!CKED
April 14th, 2007, 06:19 PM
4/10

AM Putra
April 17th, 2007, 05:18 AM
Common. 6/10.

Ralphkke
May 11th, 2007, 12:36 AM
Can't see any pictures:(

cong san muon nam
June 15th, 2007, 08:16 AM
I threw up blood when I saw it :puke: It's TOO UGLY. 1/10

Kelsen
June 17th, 2007, 02:22 AM
:redx: :redx: :redx: :redx:

Aliya
June 24th, 2007, 05:34 PM
5.5/10

LMCA1990
August 30th, 2007, 10:05 PM
6/10 -eww.

http://amethyst.co.za/JhbLandmarks/Skyscrapers/CarltonCentre.jpg

Sound.
August 31st, 2007, 11:27 PM
7/10

krull
September 4th, 2007, 12:15 AM
4/10 Dont care for it.

Cabman
September 10th, 2007, 04:35 PM
Doesn't look as tall as it is...oh and it is dull 5/10

kyle@1008
September 12th, 2007, 12:46 PM
5....

Slodi
September 12th, 2007, 01:17 PM
ugly box 3/10

Astralis
September 24th, 2007, 04:46 PM
4/10

newyorkrunaway1
September 25th, 2007, 07:58 AM
4/10

MasonicStage™
September 28th, 2007, 11:46 AM
4/10

RON-E
September 29th, 2007, 07:17 AM
4/10

hiiamdib
September 29th, 2007, 09:02 PM
I will be nice to this one. Ill give it a 7.5

SkyLerm
September 30th, 2007, 10:22 PM
5/10...

DragonAnime
November 23rd, 2007, 08:44 PM
Not exactly the most beautiful building ever constructed, but not the worst... 6/10 is the most fair rating I can give it.

krzewi
January 7th, 2008, 11:45 PM
4/10

IMPRESARIO
January 20th, 2008, 03:36 PM
uglyyyy!

FloridaFuture
January 20th, 2008, 09:10 PM
2/10

Halabalooza
February 24th, 2008, 10:24 AM
ew 3

roen
March 14th, 2008, 02:04 PM
3/10

davee08
March 23rd, 2008, 02:13 AM
4/10

GOR@N
April 12th, 2008, 04:38 PM
5/10

Nikkodemo
May 8th, 2008, 04:15 AM
What a box!!!

3/10

Fundador
May 8th, 2008, 11:37 AM
not bad 7/10

henry hill
September 18th, 2008, 10:49 PM
6/10

briker
October 5th, 2008, 02:19 PM
5/

Rutger1991
October 21st, 2008, 01:18 PM
7/10

Ni3lS
October 22nd, 2008, 12:00 PM
4/10

Kawasaki KG
October 31st, 2008, 11:46 PM
3/10

Inconfidente
December 12th, 2008, 12:02 PM
No pics anymore.

DinamiT
April 5th, 2009, 12:44 AM
6/10
too plain

A_Voz_Da_Figueira
April 5th, 2009, 01:21 PM
5/10

tonyssa
April 26th, 2009, 09:56 PM
4/10

ireneo
April 27th, 2009, 12:29 AM
5/10

skyperu34
May 16th, 2009, 01:09 AM
Boring...

5.0/10

Jan Del Castillo
July 30th, 2009, 03:52 AM
7. Regards.

deranged
August 14th, 2009, 01:47 PM
4/10

Kurtin
October 12th, 2009, 09:48 AM
This ones going to get the sympathy vote since its called the Carlton Center not the Charlton Center.

Plus this is MNU headquarters in the movie District 9 :D

9/10

xavarreiro
October 17th, 2009, 08:00 PM
7/10

sieradzanin1
January 2nd, 2010, 04:38 PM
7/10

New York Morning
January 6th, 2010, 09:01 PM
5.5

c6josh
March 8th, 2010, 10:14 AM
voted 6.5/10

motozine
August 20th, 2010, 06:24 AM
5/10

romanito
August 24th, 2010, 03:03 AM
9/10

Heidjer
August 29th, 2010, 08:59 PM
Good old 70's box. 6.5/10

ethan153
November 8th, 2010, 09:52 PM
4/10

OldBoy137
January 17th, 2011, 09:41 AM
5/10

v-sun
February 11th, 2011, 04:17 PM
8/10

Eric Offereins
March 24th, 2011, 02:22 PM
7/10 :)

mossimoh
May 1st, 2011, 10:21 PM
Fail! 2/10

yudibali2008
May 20th, 2011, 12:48 PM
oh my 5/10

Geocarlos
May 28th, 2011, 08:22 PM
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6875/193431.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/151/193431.jpg/)

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4944/carltoncentre.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/830/carltoncentre.jpg/)

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2108/jhbcarltonmineheadgears.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/jhbcarltonmineheadgears.gif/)

Geocarlos
May 28th, 2011, 08:23 PM
4/10

dnh310
May 29th, 2011, 07:08 AM
8/10

keroro91
June 4th, 2011, 02:09 PM
6.5/10

xJamaax
June 6th, 2011, 01:44 PM
Very old but impressive for a place like Africa!

7/10

mecanico242
July 22nd, 2011, 09:51 PM
3/10

Amboseli Daima
August 25th, 2011, 02:47 AM
4..soooo 70's.Reclad,renew or knock it down.

cyberprince
November 22nd, 2011, 12:09 PM
6/10

Blingchampion
November 28th, 2011, 04:44 PM
6/10

xJamaax
December 27th, 2011, 03:55 PM
This tower is a bit old, SA needs another one to replace these old ones!

briker
December 28th, 2011, 05:17 PM
bring it down already!!!!!

Dakaro
December 29th, 2011, 02:09 PM
8
In my opinion, nice building ;)

ThatOneGuy
June 11th, 2012, 09:16 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/CarltonCentreExterior.jpg/200px-CarltonCentreExterior.jpg

Looks like it would belong in NYC. 7.5/10

Highcliff
June 17th, 2012, 07:46 PM
10/10

Kulla
July 12th, 2012, 12:35 PM
7/10

SydneyCity
July 14th, 2012, 03:54 AM
Ehh...4.5/10.

Grejv
August 18th, 2012, 03:51 PM
7/10

NickABQ
April 8th, 2013, 07:33 PM
Definitely Carlton Center needs an update. I have been here a few times now, and it is a really vibrant place! needs some love and could be really nice again.

The observation deck on the 50th floor is in terrible shape unfortunately :(

They really should reinvest soon, as it will be the tallest in the CBD for some time...

Still, I like the size and scale, and I have an odd affinity for brutalism. 7/10

christos-greece
April 9th, 2013, 07:49 PM
7.5/10

billyjean
April 19th, 2013, 03:37 PM
5/10

burgund
May 3rd, 2013, 12:19 AM
6/10

bozenBDJ
May 10th, 2013, 11:23 AM
10/10