Just because I love statistics....

Northwestern 14,025
U of Iowa 29,642
Purdue 29,953
Indiana U 37,958
U of Michigan 39,993
Penn State 40,709
U of Wisconsin 41,447
U of Illinois 41,862
Michigan State 45,166
Ohio State 50,995
U of Minn 51,175

Total: 429,925

That's a lot of students....and likely a lot of alcohol sales.

I wonder what percentage of american college students attend B10 colleges. Probably in the 10-20% range.

The number I found was 12,445,847 enrolled in Colleges/Universities in the United States. The Big 10 represents around 3.5% of this. I would have thought it was larger!! Of course there are huge schools in the other 42 states not in the Big 10.

I wonder what percentage of american college students attend B10 colleges. Probably in the 10-20% range.

I know that at one point 20% of all Ph.D's were issued by the CIC (B10+Chicago), and this was pre-Penn State. I think it was in the sixties. I would guess now, that the CIC's share of doctorates is probably somewhat smaller, with the growth of (non UC) sun-belt universities

Damn Ball State is little compared to the big boys

I'm pretty sure Purdue has more students that IU.

I'm pretty sure Purdue has more students that IU.
All of those figures are misleading. The IU figure only includes students on the Bloomington Campus. IU's enrollment on their 7 campuses, including part time students, is actually more than 100,000. I'm sure that the other school's on that list have many, many more students as well.

Think about it, how do you factor in IUPUI students? Are they Purdue or IU students or both? IU includes them in their stats for outside bloomington students... does Purdue?

All of those figures are misleading. The IU figure only includes students on the Bloomington Campus. IU's enrollment on their 7 campuses, including part time students, is actually more than 100,000. I'm sure that the other school's on that list have many, many more students as well.

Think about it, how do you factor in IUPUI students? Are they Purdue or IU students or both? IU includes them in their stats for outside bloomington students... does Purdue?
Chicagoago was only referring to the Big 10 Conference campuses and not including any other campuses within the state wide university systems. Therefore the figures he/she puts forth are not misleading.

All of those figures are misleading. The IU figure only includes students on the Bloomington Campus. IU's enrollment on their 7 campuses, including part time students, is actually more than 100,000. I'm sure that the other school's on that list have many, many more students as well.

Think about it, how do you factor in IUPUI students? Are they Purdue or IU students or both? IU includes them in their stats for outside bloomington students... does Purdue?

moochie, like UW, UI, U of M, etc., IU is both a university (IUB) and a system. If you are not in Bloomington, you are not in the Big Ten.

That's no different than:
UWMadison: Big Ten; UWM, UWGB: not
UIUC: Big Ten; UIC: not
U of M/Twin Cities: Big Ten; UMD not
Cal, UCLA: Pac Ten; UCSB, UCSD: not

moochie, like UW, UI, U of M, etc., IU is both a university (IUB) and a system. If you are not in Bloomington, you are not in the Big Ten.

That's no different than:
UWMadison: Big Ten; UWM, UWGB: not
UIUC: Big Ten; UIC: not
U of M/Twin Cities: Big Ten; UMD not
Cal, UCLA: Pac Ten; UCSB, UCSD: not

That depends how you define the Big Ten. Since it is technically a sports conference, the members are usually defined as edge25 has, the flagship campuses. But in another sense, all "IU" is really one insistitution with several campuses. Students at the IU satellite campuses, for example, get an "Indiana University" diploma.

It's interesting to look at the Big Ten conference website. They say that "IU" is located in Bloomington, and provide only the Bloomington campuse enrollment, but the website they provide for the university is the main IU site (http://www.indiana.edu) (from which you can access all the satellite campuses), not just the Bloomington campus. But, I think technically only the flagship campuses are considered part of the Big Ten.

In Indiana, would an application at any of the campuses qualify you for enrollment at Bloomington? Because I'm pretty sure that isn't the case in most of the other states mentioned here.

In Indiana, would an application at any of the campuses qualify you for enrollment at Bloomington? Because I'm pretty sure that isn't the case in most of the other states mentioned here.

I'm pretty sure the answer is no. I think the different campuses have their own admissions standards and procedures, although I think it would be pretty easy for a student at a satellite campus to transfer to Bloomington. But the IU diplomas do not note which campus the courses were taken, only that you are an IU grad. Anyway, honestly, most of the undergrad programs at Bloomington are not terribly selective.

Yeah, sorry for any confusion. I know states like Indiana have many more students in their University system as a whole - I was just stating the main campus you hear about when talking "Big 10". We would travel to Minneapolis, Madison, Bloomington, Champaign/Urbana, State College, Columbus, Iowa City, West Lafayette, Evanston, Ann Arbor, and East Lansing. That's what I think of when I hear Big 10.

Feel free to double check those numbers, I just did a down and dirty search through google. It would also be interesting to see the full enrollment in those state run systems.

I agree that IU is different than the usual model of a university system. Branch campuses are attached to Bloomington and IUPU offers IU and Purdue degrees. Closest to IU, IMHO, in the B10 is U-M where I believe Flint and Dearborn are seen more as branches than separate institutions from Ann Arbor.

As for the likes of Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, etc., each campus in the U of I, UW, and U of M systems are separate universities, indepedent institutions from each other.

I believe that part of what goes on is a "name game", with the Univ of ____ @ _____ implying an affiliation and degree of togetherness that isn't really there. Truthfully all that is implied by the university system is a group of universities under the same board of regeants.

In that sense, there is very little difference in the relationship of the following schools, in each case operated under the same board:

UIUC, UIC, UIS

UWMadison, UWM, UWGB, UWS, UWP

U of M/Twin Cities, UMD

Iowa, Iowa State, UNI: all three under the same board. Things would be basically the same if Iowa became UIIC and Iowa State were to become UIA.

EDIT: Oops Edsg...I completely misread your post. I guess my post is mostly worthless now that I reread yours.

All four Minnesota campuses (Twin Cities, Duluth, Crookston, and Morris) are operated under the same board. One difference between the U of MN system and IU system is that all of the current U of MN campuses are residential. I'm pretty sure only Bloomington and IUPUI have on-campus housing, but that may have changed recently.

Does Wisconsin only have one system? MN actually has two, the U of MN and MNSCU (Minnesota State Colleges & Universities), which has a larger enrollment than U of MN. The residential schools in MNSCU include MN State-Mankato, MN State-Moorhead, St. Cloud State, Bemidji State, Winona State, and Southwest Minnesota State. Other parts include Metropolitan State, and I believe all of the technical schools across the state are part of this system too, there are dozens.

There used to be a University of Minnesota-Waseca until it closed and became a prison a few years ago.

And rumor has it that Northern Iowa may one day become UI-Cedar Falls. Don't remember where I got that, but if I can find the source I'll definitely share.

Does Wisconsin only have one system?

No, as far as a state tax-payer supported system is concerned. There is the 4-year University of Wisconsin system and the 2-year Wisconsin Technical College System. The other colleges in Wisconsin are all privately funded colleges.

Although, roughly 30 years ago there was two separate 4-year university systems. There was a "Wisconsin State College" system and a "University of Wisconsin" system. But they merged together about 30 years ago.

In Indiana, would an application at any of the campuses qualify you for enrollment at Bloomington? Because I'm pretty sure that isn't the case in most of the other states mentioned here.
That's a sticky question. All credit classes transfer between the IU campuses, and it's very common practice for students to commute between IUB and IUPUI and take courses at both campuses. Also, IUPUI students are given an IU diploma with no distinction for IUPUI. This raises big problems for both campuses. for example IUPUI students could conveivably obtain an IU diploma at IUPUI for the IU school of music with no distinction made.. This is heavily discouraged in practice, because IU Bloomington School of Music is one of the world's finest, and IUPUI School of Music is on the level of the average flunky junior college...

I think it's obvious to most at Indiana University that the system is unsustainable as is, and changes are needed, especially as IUPUI becomes a larger and more powerful institution. Imagine the territorial pissing matches to come in the future...

But... I don't think IUPUI students can just move to Bloomington and vice versa and simply start going to school full time. They do have to actually apply again at either campus. I think the operative difference is "full time".

As for Purdue... I have no idea. That's an entirely different sticky mess...

No, as far as a state tax-payer supported system is concerned. There is the 4-year University of Wisconsin system and the 2-year Wisconsin Technical College System. The other colleges in Wisconsin are all privately funded colleges.

Although, roughly 30 years ago there was two separate 4-year university systems. There was a "Wisconsin State College" system and a "University of Wisconsin" system. But they merged together about 30 years ago.

when WSU was its own system, who else other than Madison was UW? I believe UWM was part of UW at that time, but don't know if that's for sure if there were others.

Also, Oshkosh, do you know when Madison offically went through a name change from the University of Wisconsin to the University of Wisconsin-Madison?

But... I don't think IUPUI students can just move to Bloomington and vice versa and simply start going to school full time. They do have to actually apply again at either campus. I think the operative difference is "full time".

As for Purdue... I have no idea. That's an entirely different sticky mess...

I agree with that--I think students do have to apply to transfer to Bloomington, but I'm guessing it is relatively easy for them.

Purdue and Indiana also have those three weird joint campuses in Indianapolis, Columbus and Fort Wayne that grant diplomas to the separate universities. Purdue also has very small "tech" campuses around the north and eastern parts of the state, but like moochie I have no idea about how those are related to the flagship West Laf campus.

Looking at this, Indiana's higher ed infrastructure is really spectacular. Two major big ten schools (IU and PU) with 16 satellite campuses between them (three joint).There are also mid-sized state universities in Terre Haute, Evansville and Muncie, and a two year university at Vincennes, itself with satellite campuses in Jasper, Indy and the Indiana School for the Deaf. Plus, the Ivy Tech/Community College system with 23 campuses.

That makes---a total of 48 public university/college campuses in the state of Indiana. Just about one for every 110,000 people.

This doesn't even include the private universities.

Sorry to get off topic...

Just to put it out there, Michigan State University is a one-campus university. There are no satellite campuses. U-of-M is a three campus university, though the Flint and Ann Arbor branch campuses are small, in comparison.

Just to put it out there, Michigan State University is a one-campus university. There are no satellite campuses. U-of-M is a three campus university, though the Flint and Ann Arbor branch campuses are small, in comparison.

It's two campuses. The Minneapolis campus and the St. Paul campus. The east and west bank are both part of the Minneapolis campus where the majority of students are and are across the river from each other.

The St. Paul campus is for argiculture and it not even really in St. Paul. It has it's own farm fields.

edit: DUH! You're talking about Michigan!

anyway, the U of Minn is two campuses. :crazy:

I agree with that--I think students do have to apply to transfer to Bloomington, but I'm guessing it is relatively easy for them.

Purdue and Indiana also have those three weird joint campuses in Indianapolis, Columbus and Fort Wayne that grant diplomas to the separate universities. Purdue also has very small "tech" campuses around the north and eastern parts of the state, but like moochie I have no idea about how those are related to the flagship West Laf campus.

Looking at this, Indiana's higher ed infrastructure is really spectacular. Two major big ten schools (IU and PU) with 16 satellite campuses between them (three joint).There are also mid-sized state universities in Terre Haute, Evansville and Muncie, and a two year university at Vincennes, itself with satellite campuses in Jasper, Indy and the Indiana School for the Deaf. Plus, the Ivy Tech/Community College system with 23 campuses.

That makes---a total of 48 public university/college campuses in the state of Indiana. Just about one for every 110,000 people.

This doesn't even include the private universities.

Sorry to get off topic...

To make things even more confusing, IUPUI has it's own spinoff campuses... Not IU.. IUPUI. And.. the Columbus IUPUI campus even has it's own satellite campus in Spencer.

So yes, there actually is a small school in Spencer, Indiana called in full name: Indiana University and Purdue University at Indianapolis, Columbus, at Spencer. I think they've recently taken to shortening the name to IUPUC, Spencer now.

http://www.columbus.iupui.edu/

when WSU was its own system, who else other than Madison was UW? I believe UWM was part of UW at that time, but don't know if that's for sure if there were others.

Also, Oshkosh, do you know when Madison offically went through a name change from the University of Wisconsin to the University of Wisconsin-Madison?

Here you go edsg25, this Webpage will answer your questions and then some. Enjoy! http://www.wisconsin.edu/quick/history.htm

It's two campuses. The Minneapolis campus and the St. Paul campus. The east and west bank are both part of the Minneapolis campus where the majority of students are and are across the river from each other.

The St. Paul campus is for argiculture and it not even really in St. Paul. It has it's own farm fields.

edit: DUH! You're talking about Michigan!

anyway, the U of Minn is two campuses. :crazy:

I shouldn't be surprised, as Minnesotan's have taken over this forum. :) Just look at the Midwest Development in Small Cities thread. I didn't even get one reply with all of my pictures. lol

Just to put it out there, Michigan State University is a one-campus university. There are no satellite campuses. U-of-M is a three campus university, though the Flint and Ann Arbor branch campuses are small, in comparison.

MSU used to have Oakland affiliated with it, didn't it? Lmichigan, would you consider it a two campus university with a GR med school? BTW, how did metro Lansing feel about the med school switch?

Yea those stats are off.

Northwestern has around 7,800 students.
Purdue has around 38,500 students.

Big Ten has 6 of 10 largest US Universities in 2005.

edsg25,

I don't believe they still have the Oakland affiliation, and if they do, it's not a full campus. That also answers the other question. The Med School won't be a full service campus, so I wouldn't consider it two. It won't be Michigan State University - Grand Rapids. Even more so, it's only part of the medical school, and that's part of the College of Human Medicine. The College of Osteopathic Medicine, and the College of Veterinary Medicine are staying, and the part of the College of Human Medicine staying will still be a 4-year program. Needless to say, Lansing wasn't very happy, but we were appeased enough when they offered the concession of only moving part of the College of Human Medicine, instead of the College of Human Medicine. It was really a big deal as the Lansing region pulled together area leaders and conferences to discuss the move. If we wouldn't have, they were planning to move the whole College of Human Medicine out of Lansing. I guess what I'm trying to say is that they are moving part of a part of the campus, something like only 150 students when it is totally built and developed in Grand Rapids (2010) of MSU's 44,000+ students. Though, the 150 students will only leave 50 students in the College of Human Medicine in Lansing Metro.

edsg25,

I don't believe they still have the Oakland affiliation, and if they do, it's not a full campus. That also answers the other question. The Med School won't be a full service campus, so I wouldn't consider it two. It won't be Michigan State University - Grand Rapids. Even more so, it's only part of the medical school, and that's part of the College of Human Medicine. The College of Osteopathic Medicine, and the College of Veterinary Medicine are staying, and the part of the College of Human Medicine staying will still be a 4-year program. Needless to say, Lansing wasn't very happy, but we were appeased enough when they offered the concession of only moving part of the College of Human Medicine, instead of the College of Human Medicine. It was really a big deal as the Lansing region pulled together area leaders and conferences to discuss the move. If we wouldn't have, they were planning to move the whole College of Human Medicine out of Lansing. I guess what I'm trying to say is that they are moving part of a part of the campus, something like only 150 students when it is totally built and developed in Grand Rapids (2010) of MSU's 44,000+ students. Though, the 150 students will only leave 50 students in the College of Human Medicine in Lansing Metro.

i know there is no affiliation today. what i meant was...wasn't the institution originally called Michigan State University/Oakland?

I don't know. Maybe it was before my time?


*EDIT: It was before my time. Doing some research, I found that there was a Michigan State University-Oakland, but that they the named was changed to simply Oakland University in 1963, and the affiliation ended in 1963 when the state recognized it as an autonomous university. I had no idea MSU had a satellite campus there.*

To make things even more confusing, IUPUI has it's own spinoff campuses... Not IU.. IUPUI. And.. the Columbus IUPUI campus even has it's own satellite campus in Spencer.

So yes, there actually is a small school in Spencer, Indiana called in full name: Indiana University and Purdue University at Indianapolis, Columbus, at Spencer. I think they've recently taken to shortening the name to IUPUC, Spencer now.

http://www.columbus.iupui.edu/

That would make it the IUPUI-C-S

I had no idea...and I used to drive through Spencer weekly. Never heard of it.

This acronym might have that one beat: I read that Ivy Tech (Indiana Vocational Technical) Community College-Wabash Valley recently closed its Center for Aviation Technology at Hulman Field satellite due to tornado damage.

So that was the IVT-CC-WV-CATHF.

This has been a great thread...and that was almost a "no brainer" for me. I love the Big Ten and talking about it.

So let me throw this out to take us in a slightly different direction (since we've basically completed the enrollment issue):

Out of the major 1-A conferences, is there something special and unique about the Big Ten?

I mean, we know it is the oldest major conference by far, the only one with 19th century roots. We know its athletics would unlikely ever be considered the best of the pack. We know fanatacism of fandom is well exceeded by the SEC. We know that academically, the B10 has to be at the top or near the top of every list (perhaps shared with the Pac Ten and an increasingly rising ACC....although top to bottom, no conference can touch it).

But perhaps more than anything else, is there some sort of unique pride we midwesterners (if not Pennsylvanians) take in the conference, how we revere the institutions, how going to a "big ten school" has really meaning to us?

In other words, is there a "certain special something" about the Big Ten that separates it from its peers. I'd like to think so. How about you?

How many threads have we done on the Big Ten--this is becoming an overdone thread. Please come up with something other than a topic about the Big Ten's stats.

We know that academically, the B10 has to be at the top or near the top of every list (perhaps shared with the Pac Ten and an increasingly rising ACC....although top to bottom, no conference can touch it).


I'm assuming you are excluding the Ivy League from your list. Although I agree that most Big 10 schools benefit from being very well funded, and do a good job attracting the best and brightest students from their respective states.

Here you go edsg25, this Webpage will answer your questions and then some. Enjoy! http://www.wisconsin.edu/quick/history.htm

thanks! can i call you bucky badger?

I'm assuming you are excluding the Ivy League from your list. Although I agree that most Big 10 schools benefit from being very well funded, and do a good job attracting the best and brightest students from their respective states.

I said 1-A. Interestingly the Big Ten is far older than the Ivy League which didn't come together as a league until the 1950's.

How many threads have we done on the Big Ten--this is becoming an overdone thread. Please come up with something other than a topic about the Big Ten's stats.

Bonjour, each thread comes with a little something known as a "title". This is good, a beautiful thing actually. Kin of like truth in advertising. If properly written, the title let's you know what's inside the thread. So if you are not interested, you get the opportunity to opt out.

now i know you'll never read this response, Bonjour, since you don't like reading threads about the Big Ten. Sadly you are going to miss my piece of heart-felt life-altering advise and a road to happiness: next time you see a thread with the words "Big Ten" in its title, avoid double clicking.

Minnesota has more than OSU? I find that hard to believe. :bash:

Maybe you are including accesory campuses in your list.

Minnesota has more than OSU? I find that hard to believe. :bash:

Maybe you are including accesory campuses in your list.

paddington, I think U of M and OSU have been the big boys in the Big Ten for quite awhile with 50,000+ enrollments each for many, many years.

I would reccomend removing undergraduate+graduate enrollment and have two seperate list one for undergraduate and one for graduate enrollment.

...next time you see a thread with the words "Big Ten" in its title, avoid double clicking.

Please, please, please tell me you're not one of those incredibly annoying internet link double clicker people. It only takes one.

Minnesota has more than OSU? I find that hard to believe. :bash:

Maybe you are including accesory campuses in your list.


Ohio State began lowering their undergraduate enrollment in the 80's. It's still far from small, but Minnesota has been larger for several years.

Please, please, please tell me you're not one of those incredibly annoying internet link double clicker people. It only takes one.

are you seriously telling me you never heard of "one for good luck"?????
:)

Ohio State began lowering their undergraduate enrollment in the 80's. It's still far from small, but Minnesota has been larger for several years.

Kind of natural I would think, Sam. Minnesota alone among the Big Ten schools is in both the largest city and largest metro area in its state. Basically kids in the Twin Cities area have the advantage of their state's premere university right in their own back yard....and have the ability to save money and life at home but still get the advantage of low in-state tuition and a quality university.

I love the atmosphere for a smaller community, a real college town. But you have to give high marks to instiutions like the Univ of Minn and the Univ of Wash for providing so many people in their own metro area such an outstanding education...without forcing them ot of town.

paddington, I think U of M and OSU have been the big boys in the Big Ten for quite awhile with 50,000+ enrollments each for many, many years.

Are you sure UofM had a 50,000+ enrollment?

UofM is the 2nd biggest university in the country, only Arizona State is bigger. Minnesota-TC held the title for largest for a while though.

I just realized you guys were talking about University of Minnesota.

thanks! can i call you bucky badger?
Sure, I won't mind.
Hey edsg, what part of the Chicago area do you reside? I go to Park Ridge every now and then to visit close family friends.
Did that Webpage help you at all in answering your historical questions in regards to the UW System?