http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9586/wachoviacharlottezw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Well, a pal over at another site decided to take a camera phone pic of the secret renderings of the new Wachovia tower at a meeting the other day. Here they are, LEED certified, 700-900 feet (estimation) roughly 46 floors:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/werd2000Fo/Uptown/Wachovia_Tower.jpg

Me like. :)

http://www.pbase.com/mobuchu/image/72078628/large.jpg

For reference, that white box building in the lower right corner is 420ft.

Would you say the new Wachovia tower looks twice as tall as the white one?

How dissapointing - it needs to be 1,048 feet to start a height war!

are you serious? thats really cute..

I'd say its pretty close. Maybe just under, so like 800 feet.

Looks like mirrors?!? When will Charlotte build something that has character???

are you serious? thats really cute..

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Assuming the present design is the one that's realized, heightwise it will be on par with the Chase Tower in Indy, and it's not even tallest in the QC. *sticks out tongue immaturely*

Looks like mirrors?!? When will Charlotte build something that has character???

I'm assuming by that remark you think the Hearst Tower, which is one of the most uniquely designed buildings in the US, lacks character? If so, no offense, my friend, but you have alot to learn.

Personally, I'm reserving comment on the Wachovia rendering until we get a GOOD picture. From such a steep horizontal angle, I'm sure alot of the architecture is lost in translation.

Yeah, it is a bad picture, but then again it was taken on a camera phone.

Yeah, I'm not laying blame on anyone. Since it is, after all, "secret" renderings, it probably had to be taken hastily and stealthily and... Well, other descriptive adverbs.

I think, though, from what I can actually make out, that it looks strikingly like if BofA Plaza and the Modis tower in Jax had a baby.

Looks like mirrors?!? When will Charlotte build something that has character???

It's LEED certified, which leads to lots of glass plus higher floor heights. No offense, but it's alot classier than any Nawlins high rises. We might not have history, but we can sure build a nice shiny skyscraper. And this isn't even a good pic.

It's LEED certified, which leads to lots of glass plus higher floor heights. No offense, but it's alot classier than any Nawlins high rises. We might not have history, but we can sure build a nice shiny skyscraper. And this isn't even a good pic.

Funny thing, in my first reply I considered saying something similar, but decided it might be too low a blow, even if it's dead right. New Orleans is a great city known for alot of things, but one thing it's not known for is its skyline.

Back on topic, I'd almost completely forgotten Wachovia will be LEED certified. I guess the fact that it's a new 800-footer just seemed more important at the time... Understandbale, I suppose. :yes:

That looks wicked sweet.

Hmmm, I don't like it. It looks less like a Charlotte/Atlanta building and more like a Dallas/Houston building.

Hmmm, I don't like it. It looks less like a Charlotte/Atlanta building and more like a Dallas/Houston building.

I agree, but I do think it's good that we get a little bit of diversity in our skyline. I just hope it doesn't turn out almost like a twin tower of BofA Plaza.

I think it looks great. The top kind of reminds me of the Bellsouth "Batman" Building in Nashville, very cool!

New Orleans is a great city known for alot of things, but one thing it's not known for is its skyline.


Most of the major high-rises that make up New Orleans' skyline are definately nothing special(with a few exceptions), and the height isn't the greatest, but I do really like the low and mid-rise density downtown, and the number of buildings above 200 feet or so imrpoves the skyline greatly, IMO.

Sorry to drag the thread more off-topic...

It looks like a gorgeous tower to me. Many thanks for keeping us posted and for sharing the rendering with us. Congratulations on getting such a great looking skyscraper :okay:

Most of the major high-rises that make up New Orleans' skyline are definately nothing special(with a few exceptions), and the height isn't the greatest, but I do really like the low and mid-rise density downtown, and the number of buildings above 200 feet or so imrpoves the skyline greatly, IMO.

I enjoy NO's density as well, I wish Charlotte had that kind of density and fewer surface lots. At least this tower takes another surface lot away. You guys just need a signature tower with some stellar architecture.

It looks like a gorgeous tower to me. Many thanks for keeping us posted and for sharing the rendering with us. Congratulations on getting such a great looking skyscraper

Thanks Raleigh-NC! :)

It's an early rendering, and a rough picturephone version of it to boot, so I don't want to be too critical too early. I guess I just wasn't expecting so much glass.

Tell ya what...if this thing tops 900 feet I'll be just fine with whatever facade they choose.

:)

Also, that's a 350-foot hotel that will be built into it, right? Or is that condos? I forget. Either way, does this rendering somewhat accurately depict what that highrise will look like?

^ It will be a condo tower. I hope the condo rendering is accurate, that looks pretty sweet. They also have the Afro American Cultural Center and the new performing arts center in the rendering as well.

^ It will be a condo tower. I hope the condo rendering is accurate, that looks pretty sweet. They also have the Afro American Cultural Center and the new performing arts center in the rendering as well.
Those are on the same lot, right? What is that thing on the east side of tryone (left side of the picture)? Looks like a wide lowrise that I'm pretty sure isn't there right now.

I'm guessing 788' just to be different.

I think it looks fantastic and will be a great addition. I don't think it will top BOA and if I were from Charlotte I wouldn't want it to unless it pushed 1,000+ feet which it obviously isn't.

Thanks norm for getting this for us! If I ever see you at the Myxx I'll buy you a drink!

I blew the image up and rotated it a bit to make it easier to view. I also added the 420 ft perspective line. I did some rough calculations and it looks like the tower will be about 800ft tall. Keep in minf this is a hand drawn rendering so everything might not be exactly to scale. In about a month when the digital renderings come out we'll get better height numbers.

I like this tower a lot. It is an architectural style that is not represented in the Charlotte skyline so it will be a great add. I also like the blue glass...will make this really stand out in the skyline.

http://www.clturban.com/images/Wachovia_Tower.jpg

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Assuming the present design is the one that's realized, heightwise it will be on par with the Chase Tower in Indy, and it's not even tallest in the QC. *sticks out tongue immaturely*



I'm assuming by that remark you think the Hearst Tower, which is one of the most uniquely designed buildings in the US, lacks character? If so, no offense, my friend, but you have alot to learn.

Personally, I'm reserving comment on the Wachovia rendering until we get a GOOD picture. From such a steep horizontal angle, I'm sure alot of the architecture is lost in translation.
You'll get no arguments from me regarding New Orleans towers. And, I stand corrected, I do really like the boldness and the beauty of the Hearst Tower. I just really don't like mirror buildings..that's all.

I am just glad that it looks nothing like 3 Wachovia.

I was going to reserve judgment on this, but after having a mental visualization, this tower will look awesome in the Skyline. It is definitely a change for Charlotte. It's not too bold, yet not too traditional either.

I agree its totally different from anything in Charlotte which I think is a good thing. I does have similarities with some other buildings like Terminus in Atlanta which IMO would look a lot better with at least 10 more floors.

Btw I thought someone in the know stated it was around 700ft? That'll make it what the third tallest?

Btw I thought someone in the know stated it was around 700ft? That'll make it what the third tallest?

You may be talking about the post I made earlier this week where I said "700+ft" a lot of people have ignored the plus sign in that post. All I did was take the 46 stories and multiply by the rule of thumb number 15.

If this building is 800ft that would make it the 2nd tallest.

BofA - 871 ft
"4Wachovia" - 800 ft
Hearst - 659 ft

Now if you really want to get technical...this tower will have an underground parking structure that will go 100ft below the street...so technically that would make the building 900ft tall....with 100ft of that submerged.

I think this building will be in between Hearst and BofA Corporate - I'd say between 780-820 feet. In fact, new massing diagram shows the building to be 49 stories, not including the architectural "bar" on top.

You may be talking about the post I made earlier this week where I said "700+ft" a lot of people have ignored the plus sign in that post. All I did was take the 46 stories and multiply by the rule of thumb number 15.

If this building is 800ft that would make it the 2nd tallest.

BofA - 871 ft
"4Wachovia" - 800 ft
Hearst - 659 ft

Now if you really want to get technical...this tower will have an underground parking structure that will go 100ft below the street...so technically that would make the building 900ft tall....with 100ft of that submerged.

Well if the floor count does not include the angled portion I could see close to 750ft but otherwise 700 ft seems about right for 46 story building doesn't it? Or is the actual floor count still up in the air?

Well if the floor count does not include the angled portion I could see close to 750ft but otherwise 700 ft seems about right for 46 story building doesn't it? Or is the actual floor count still up in the air?

Actually, a new massing diagram that was presented to the city council lists it as 49 stories. And keep in mind, this building will be LEED certified, meaning it will have greater floor heights and don't forget the architectural bar at the top.

Actually, a new massing diagram that was presented to the city council lists it as 49 stories. And keep in mind, this building will be LEED certified, meaning it will have greater floor heights and don't forget the architectural bar at the top.

I was at that city council meeting and while I didn't count the floors while that massing diagram was flashed up on the screen, Bob Bertges was the one doing the talking and he said "46 stories"...in any case we will know the final floor count and height soon enough.

hmm, it does look like nashville's bellsouth building, but not so stubby. If it's really that blue then I like that, I like the countours running up the front of it, too

Now wouldn't it be cool if the "bar" at the top was an actual bar...or at least an observatory?

^ that would be hot.

Well if Wachovia really wanted to break the 1000 ft barrier they could always "pull an RBC" and stack the condos on top of the office tower...that would make it 1100ft tall.

lol
http://www.clturban.com/images/Wachovia_Tower1.jpg

That tower looks great - another impressive modern tower to compliment the skyline.

I like it. I can't wait for better renderings, but i understand how the photographer probably couldn't just stand there and take a good picture without getting hassled...

That looks great! For some reason i think it looks like a tower that would be in an australian city. Either way it'll definitely stand out. On the other hand, how pissed would wachovia be to see that they're renderings were leaked?

How do we know if this is even real or not?


It would be really funny if these renderings were fake. Whoever released them would get a real laugh. Including me.

Talk about troll of the year award! lol

Knowing norm and the company he works for I feel that they are legit.

yawn

Hmmmm......a Charlotte company hasn't bought anything in Jacksonville since Barnett's back in 1997.......I guess we should go shopping again....maybe wake some people up.

It is nice and sleek, but I really do think Charlotte coulda gone in a 'new direction' with this.
Somone mentioned that it looked like a Dallas type of building, and I agree. Its big, and tall, and mostly just a bunch of blue glass.
But still, very clean and shiny, which isn't in any way a bad thing. Just.. less exciting.
Esp about the height! Man, this was supposed to put a good fight up for the tallest in the south wasn't it?

Hmmmm......a Charlotte company hasn't bought anything in Jacksonville since Barnett's back in 1997.......I guess we should go shopping again....maybe wake some people up.

Wow. Someone is very sensitive. Were you offended because I find a proposed skyscraper in Charlotte (the mightiest city in the universe!!) boring? That is a pretty weak response. As for the purchase of Barnett by Wachovia, I am sure you played a large role in this. I cant wait till Charlotte loses one or both of its big banks to relocation, merger or buyout so the Charlotteans will come back to reality.

Wow. Someone is very sensitive. Were you offended because I find a proposed skyscraper in Charlotte (the mightiest city in the universe!!) boring? That is a pretty weak response. As for the purchase of Barnett by Wachovia, I am sure you played a large role in this. I cant wait till Charlotte loses one or both of its big banks to relocation, merger or buyout so the Charlotteans will come back to reality.

:tiasd:

Wow. Someone is very sensitive. Were you offended because I find a proposed skyscraper in Charlotte (the mightiest city in the universe!!) boring? That is a pretty weak response. As for the purchase of Barnett by Wachovia, I am sure you played a large role in this. I cant wait till Charlotte loses one or both of its big banks to relocation, merger or buyout so the Charlotteans will come back to reality.

This is getting old, but to rebuke the accusation that both banks will be bought out is impossible nor would it be legal. Bank of America has the largest deposit share in the US at ten percent, the FDIC will not allow any banks to have over ten percent of the deposit share by accquiring a bank, this deposit share must be grown internally. Wachovia's recent merger annoucement would not allow any bank to buy it out. If another bank of equal size trys to, it will exceed the FDIC's deposit share of ten percent. Wachovia and Bank of America has no intentions of leaving Charlotte, if they were plannng to, why is Wachovia building a new Wachovia complex and Bank of America is investing millions, if not billions into the city, Bank of America is building the Ritz-Carlton Hotel connecting to it Corporate headquarters.

Wow. Someone is very sensitive. Were you offended because I find a proposed skyscraper in Charlotte (the mightiest city in the universe!!) boring? That is a pretty weak response. As for the purchase of Barnett by Wachovia, I am sure you played a large role in this. I cant wait till Charlotte loses one or both of its big banks to relocation, merger or buyout so the Charlotteans will come back to reality.

Have fun waiting then, because neither BofA nor Wachovia will ever relocate, if they merge, the HQ will most likely stay in Charlotte, and neither of the banks are able to be bought out due to their strength in total assets. Your first post was just unnecessary - you brought no insight into this thread. I don't mind criticism, heck, I'm not even totally amazed with the architecture of this building, but you should've said something more insightful than "yawn". That is why you got the response you did. Thank you for being rude and worthless. :)

I think this is going to look better than people realize. No, it's not architecturally groundbreaking; but frankly we'd all be pissed if they had gone way out there and slapped up some freak-of-nature art project as the second tallest tower on the skyline. This is Wachovia's crown jewel for the forseeable future, so unless they had a certifiable architectural genius on the project it would not have been a good idea to risk being responsible for an eyesore.

Back to the tower... it's very sleek looking in a city that doesn't really do "sleek" very often. It looks like it's going to fit fairly naturally into the skyline, which is good considering it will be very prominent. And really, it's not what I would call a "boring" tower. Derivative, yes... but not boring. This fits nicely with BoA Plaza (that other blue-shiny building) and the blues and greens of several proposed condo projects coming up in the area.

Perhaps most importantly, it's going to be at the center of Uptown's cultural growth for generations to come... that's what will give it character. After all, you can't "build something with character"... you can only build something and let it earn character.

Charlotte is becoming the Frankfurt of the US. Yes it is true that Atlanta far exceeds Charlotte in skyscrapers, as do many other US cities, however Charlotte is truly the banking skyscraper capital, like Frankfurt and will have a similar sized skyline to Frankfurt. I love Frankfurt and I love Charlotte.

I think this is going to look better than people realize. No, it's not architecturally groundbreaking; but frankly we'd all be pissed if they had gone way out there and slapped up some freak-of-nature art project as the second tallest tower on the skyline. This is Wachovia's crown jewel for the forseeable future, so unless they had a certifiable architectural genius on the project it would not have been a good idea to risk being responsible for an eyesore.

Back to the tower... it's very sleek looking in a city that doesn't really do "sleek" very often. It looks like it's going to fit fairly naturally into the skyline, which is good considering it will be very prominent. And really, it's not what I would call a "boring" tower. Derivative, yes... but not boring. This fits nicely with BoA Plaza (that other blue-shiny building) and the blues and greens of several proposed condo projects coming up in the area.

Perhaps most importantly, it's going to be at the center of Uptown's cultural growth for generations to come... that's what will give it character. After all, you can't "build something with character"... you can only build something and let it earn character.

badass. and by "freak of nature tower," i couldn't help but think of Louisville.

this tower is derivative of what? the newest, latest ego towers being built around the world (Shanghai's new tallest, Freedom Tower?) this is a great tower for Charlotte.

-

^ I like the positive comments. Lsyd, when did you move to Columbia?

I may be in the minority, but I'm not a huge fan of this design. I do not think it will stand the test of time. I need to see more renderings.

So how many stories will this tower be and how does it compare to BoA?

yawn

I see you post a lot in the forum and making friends already :bash:

badass. and by "freak of nature tower," i couldn't help but think of Louisville.

I didn't want to drop a name, but that's what I had in mind. Museum Plaza would be nauseatingly ugly on the Charlotte skyline.

this tower is derivative of what? -

From that image, it makes me think of some of the trophy towers of the Texas cities, or perhaps something you'd see in some Asian cities. But it's only one rendering, so I'll reserve judgment until we see more. Maybe there's more innovation to it than we can see so far.

Im loving it,Hopefully this is the real deal. It would really add something different to a already top 10 skyline..

disappointing, I'm not going to diss the design because its a very above average design but the way everyone was talking about this building, they made it seem like this would be the next "it" building better than anything in the south yet it looks like many buildings already built or underconstruction i.e. wachovia tower and terminus

It looks nice to me. :)

I love it. I think it compliments the other buildings on that side of Uptown well. It reminds me just a bit of the building below in Saudi Arabia. It’s called the Kingdom Centre and it’s “bar” at the top is a “skybridge with a public observation deck”. It would be really cool if Wachovia did something like that.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Saudi.jpg

I will wait until the announcement to give my opinion. There will be more info on this project to see how it will fit into Charlotte's skyline. If this is a real photo of the building, it goes with what Wachovia has said about it being a great addition to Charlotte.

Here are some sketch renderings of the cultural projects that will be attached to the new Wachovia tower. These are all courtesy of City Source on TV 16.

Mint Museum:
http://www.clturban.com/images/wachovia/mint.jpg

Bechtler Museum of Modern Art
http://www.clturban.com/images/wachovia/bechtler.jpg

Afro American Cultural Center
http://www.clturban.com/images/wachovia/aacc.jpg

NC Dance Theatre
http://www.clturban.com/images/wachovia/theatre.jpg

Interesting. Looks like it will, for the most part, be engaging at the street level.

It's a nice-looking tower, but given its placement, it will stand out until some 700-footers are built around it. B of A had the same experience when it went up, but Hearst has done wonders to integrate its taller neighbor into the skyline more cohesively.

I think the tower complex will look great when its said and done. I think the residential component of this is overshadowed by the tower and cultural facilities but it'llbe a great addition as well. The face that its located right next to all the cultural facilites means it will have 'built in' amenities. Also, I think the reason peopl made a big deal of this tower wasn't because we expected some eye popping architectural breakthrough....but that, similar to epicenter and the Nascar HOF, it's got the potential to be an amazing addition to the actual fabric/attractiveness of uptown to people in the city as well as visitors.

*Of course, this is assuming the cultural facilities actually get constructed in the first place!

On a side note, I kind of wish charlotte had a building with a spire.

Also, I think the reason peopl made a big deal of this tower wasn't because we expected some eye popping architectural breakthrough....but that, similar to epicenter and the Nascar HOF, it's got the potential to be an amazing addition to the actual fabric/attractiveness of uptown to people in the city as well as visitors.

I agree...and well Wachovia doesn't really have a stellar architectural record. So really we were just praying for something that wasn't ugly :-)

As a sidenote Charlotte already has 2 buildings with spires:

Interstate Tower and Carrillon Tower
http://www.clturban.com/images/downtownsat/interstate.jpg
http://www.clturban.com/images/downtownsat/carrillon.jpg

Ok, yes, I know we should wait until the official announcement, and yes, it does appear that the Wachovia rendering has a sort of, geometric shape thing going, but I had to post these two pix side by side. Anyone else see a little resemblance? Just a little?

Wachovia Rendering
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/NewTower1.jpg

Four Seasons - Miami
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/NewTower2.jpg

I like the fact that it has a convenient handle and can be carried anywhere.

I like the fact that it has a convenient handle and can be carried anywhere.

You are a trip, Dale. :lol:

Updated Info on the Project

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/industries/14804781.htm

Good to see an official confirmation from Wachovia of what has already been posted on here.

Lol, it's funny that an internet forum site is the #1 source for the Charlotte Observer. I love connections. :)

Ok, yes, I know we should wait until the official announcement, and yes, it does appear that the Wachovia rendering has a sort of, geometric shape thing going, but I had to post these two pix side by side. Anyone else see a little resemblance? Just a little?

Wachovia Rendering
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/NewTower1.jpg

Four Seasons - Miami
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/NewTower2.jpg
Good grief, those are twins.

If the rendering is accurate, Wachovia will look much more modern though.

The fact that it will be almost exactly the same height as Hearst should be pleasing to the eye, as it provides some "balance" with BoA in the middle (assuming you're viewing from the "broad" angles perpendicular to Tryon).

it will be taller than hearst, hearst might have as many floors, but hearst doesn't have multiple 2 story tall floors and multiple 1.5 story tall floors, it'll a good bit taller than hearst, I think the observer is trying to deaden the height, I just can't believe it leaked, I knew it would

A poster on UP claims that he knows for a fact that the tower is around 725'.

We really wont' know anything for a fact till the damn thing is built.

A poster on UP claims that he knows for a fact that the tower is around 725'.


well that doesn't tell us much, didn't they say last week it would be 900millioin feet high and have the largest ever spire assembled? :)

^ Plus a rooftop aquarium. :)

does the bechtler look like eastland mall b/c there aren't really renderings for it yet? i got high hopes for that one

Unfortunately that is at least the preliminary rendering for it.

Bob indicated that the Bechtler went in a totally different direction before they came to this cube design. He also stated that there has a been a lot of value engineering going on to bring this all into budget since Wachovia will be responsible for any overruns.

A poster on UP claims that he knows for a fact that the tower is around 725'.

The forumers at UrbanPlanet (http://urbanplanet.org) have determined the height of the tower.

I like the fact that it has a convenient handle and can be carried anywhere.

LMAO! Reminds me a Chinese take out box!

In any case, I like that it appears to be all glass - Charlotte needs a building that isn't clad in stone.

The forumers at UrbanPlanet (http://urbanplanet.org) have determined the height of the tower.

Yes that was a great find by atlrvr... 764ft 1"

http://ww.charmeck.org/Planning/Rezoning/2004/2004-129%20site%20plan%204th%20rev.pdf

City Council will vote on this rezoning on Monday. It looks like it will pass with no problems.

Have fun waiting then, because neither BofA nor Wachovia will ever relocate, if they merge, the HQ will most likely stay in Charlotte, and neither of the banks are able to be bought out due to their strength in total assets. Your first post was just unnecessary - you brought no insight into this thread. I don't mind criticism, heck, I'm not even totally amazed with the architecture of this building, but you should've said something more insightful than "yawn". That is why you got the response you did. Thank you for being rude and worthless. :)

Not to belabor this point, but I wanted to respond. I personally dont have anything for or against Charlotte. The thing that annoys me is the overweening arrogance which some of its boosters display on the various development sites. I wish Charlotte well and hope this new building looks great. I personally prefer more traditional skyscrapers, of which there is a dearth in Jacksonville too. I have criticised many a project in my hometown too, so it isnt personal.

As for the banks, I was not the one who first mentioned banking in relation to the city, but it is possible to foresee Wachovia merging with Wells Fargo and the HQ being moved to California (like Bank of America in reverse) and/or Bank or America moving its HQ to NYC. Are either one of these scenarios likely at this time? No. My point simply was that corporations dont always stay around forever so it is best to enjoy it, but not be arrogant. So, good luck Charlotte. I wish you well.

Well we’re on our way now. I seem to recall some talk in the news about how it was unlikely this bill would be looked at this year. This is great news, let’s bring on the renderings!!!!

House Approves Rental Car Tax Increase

POSTED: 10:17 am EDT July 13, 2006
UPDATED: 2:35 pm EDT July 13, 2006

RALEIGH, N.C. -- Mecklenburg County can raise its rental car tax under a bill approved by the House on Thursday over objections from some of the region's Republicans.

The legislation, which passed 76-37 and now goes to the governor, was originally written to make technical changes to state tax laws. But the Senate added a provision that would allow Mecklenburg County to boost its rental-car tax from 11 percent to 16 percent.

In short General Assembly sessions, lawmakers usually do not pass local tax increases unless all members of the district support the proposal. Four Mecklenburg representatives opposed the bill.

"This bill has not gone through the process of open and transparent government," said Rep. John Rhodes, R-Mecklenburg.

The money from the tax is designated for transportation projects. However, Charlotte could then use money it usually spends on transportation for museums and arts projects.

Rep. Martha Alexander, D-Mecklenburg, said the money would help support a "wonderful public-private" renovation of Discovery Place.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/9510733/detail.html

Personally, I thinls its good that it is shorter than BoA. I was afraid of a thousand foot Libeskind monstrosity, so this conservative late modern style building is a pleasant surprise. Plus, who would complain about a 700 footer

Well details continue to trickle in…


Posted on Mon, Aug. 14, 2006
Hmm, what would be 'Boardwalk'?
JEFF ELDER

...Wachovia (the slightly smaller, slightly nicer bank) will soon release sketches for the Bechtler Museum of Art, part of the bank's hot new arts project. This Bechtler building at First and Tryon will be the only building in America, according to Wagner, with an entirely terra cotta exterior. "Smooth, like a clay pot on your back porch," he said. The lines of the building, which will house contemporary art, are clean and sharp, like a cube.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/15268458.htm

On UP they recently showed the proposed AACC, Bechtler, Mint, and theater drawings as part of the arts package. they were shown on slideshow at the recent city council meetings. the drawings drew oohs and ahhs from the audience and council members.

unfortunately i dont have the knowledge or capabilities to post the images or the link, so if anyone can, that would be beneficial to all. gracias

I can do it this weekend if nobody else has.

I'm surprised nobody has done it yet though. Where are all the Charlotte people at? This is huge news, and should be on the front page.

Nascar tower was approved this week as well.

Here are the renderings that were presented at the City Council meeting this week. The gentleman who spoke mentioned that they will more than likely change some. In particular he noted that the Betchler would ultimately have a more “open” look.

But these are incredible. I can't wait to see the tower and the condos.

Afro-American Cultural Center
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Afro1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Afro2.jpg

Betchler Museum
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Bechtler1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Bechtler2.jpg

Mint Museum
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Mint1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Mint2.jpg

Performing Arts Theater
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Theater1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/Theater4.jpg

oh yea forgot about the NASCAR Tower being approved. They have said that the tower will resemble the one in the renderings of the HOF. Some of NASCAR's operations will most likely relocate there. This is not going to be the new HQ for NASCAR, however. Still, pretty good news for Charlotte and 2nd Ward, which desperately needs development like this, mainly mid-rise to small high-rises.

For the most part I like the renderings a lot. The AACC reminds me a bit of 7th St. Station in terms of visual impact. I think this whole thing is really going to transform people's perceptions of what's available Uptown. Between this and the NASCAR HoF opening a couple of year down the road, the tourism market's going to take a big step up.

BTW, the big hole in the ground has gotten considerably deeper in the past couple of weeks. It's like a mini-Epicentre crater.

the AACC's design is a reflection of the Jacob's Ladder concept and the quilts that were used to send messages during the undcerground railroad. the Mint's design and the Auditorium were the only ones under scrutiny at the meeting. both made it through, but the architect did say the design of the Mint has changed to include more windows along the curvy wall on the side. either way this is a vast improvement for the Charlotte tourism and entertainment/cultural scene.

indeed. those are some rather cool renderings.

i like how everything is different and not looking the same. i was kinda worried that things would all look the same and reflect some same 'theme.' i'm very glad to see that is not the case.

i cannot wait until this project starts to come out of the ground.

New Wachovia Tower is now up to 48 floors.

Is this thing under construction? What's with all the secrecy? I hate being 'that guy' who asks for updates but brings nothin to the table, but this tower's development is beyond weird.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/cosmoboy/03officetower.jpg
Wachovia Tower

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/cosmoboy/06condo.jpg
New Condo Tower

Yes, this tower(s) is under construction.

Thanks man! Great render too, where's it from?

Col., a lot has happened with this project this week. Renderings and a model were revealed with some fanfare, and a lot of details have been filled in. I would suggest checking the Charlotte Observer's archive at http://www.charlotte.com to get the finer details.

Bottom line: these towers are going to have a MAJOR impact on Uptown.

Charlotte's gonna be giving skylines like Minneapolis a run for their money pretty soon.

Where do I find the projected skyline with some of the projects under construction or planned? I know the very latest projects are not included, but I saw a rendition last summer of the upcoming CLT skyline.

Charlotte's gonna be giving skylines like Minneapolis a run for their money pretty soon.

lol:lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

lol:lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

OK I dont get it, whats so funny?

Charlotte's gonna be giving skylines like Minneapolis a run for their money pretty soon.

I agree.

Charlotte has a ways to go before it can come close to minnie, beacuse not all of these projects are going to get build in Charlotte its a given fact, and Minnie has just as many if not more u/c or proposed buildings as charlotte does, and Minneapolis already has a very desnse and large skyline anyway. Charlotte is going to be playing catch up for a while, while minnie contuines on building away. Just dont let any Twin City forums get wind of this.

Image by Battsman
http://www.pbase.com/mcc2000/image/62253380.jpg

dood, CLT is the new Nooh Yahk!!! it's awesome. your just jealous of CLT's awesomeness progressiveness buildings. CLT's time is now, it'll be historic as the center of the universe in 100 years, just you wait. ;)

-

wow. this is lame. :|

Charlotte's gonna be giving skylines like Minneapolis a run for their money pretty soon.

now look, this guy's offhand comment made MN forumers potentially involved and made style feel lame. what lsyd said, give it 100 years biotch (except i'm not so sarcastic)

man, the tall's in minnie look like they weren't trying to hurt each other's feelings

Charlotte has a ways to go before it can come close to minnie, beacuse not all of these projects are going to get build in Charlotte its a given fact, and Minnie has just as many if not more u/c or proposed buildings as charlotte does, and Minneapolis already has a very desnse and large skyline anyway. Charlotte is going to be playing catch up for a while, while minnie contuines on building away. Just dont let any Twin City forums get wind of this.

Image by Battsman
http://www.pbase.com/mcc2000/image/62253380.jpg

I agree that Minneapolis will probably still have a significant lead on Charlotte as far as density as concerned, but Charlotte is catching up in height. The new Wachovia tower and 210 Trade themselves will do much for Charlotte's skyline. But eventually, I think there will be comparisons to Minneapolis or Denver. Charlotte's skyline will be a sight to see in about 5 years.

What is the tallest tower in Minneapolis?

Now all we need is someone to say Charlotte's skyline is better than Atlanta's. We can probably get the thread locked if we all try hard enough!

I think that comparisons to other skylines is unnecessary. Here is my 2 cents: Charlotte has built on height and modern architecture. It has come a VERY long way, even from 5 years ago, and it will continue growing at fast pace. Much of Uptown's growth is in the residential sector, meaning that improvements were made where they were needed... and this pattern continues. Downtown Minneapolis is more established and will continue to build strength around its density and street-level experience. Charlotte isn't there yet, but it will catch up. Both places will reach that point of maturity that none of us will be able to tell which one offers more. Minneapolis will be a great model for Charlotte, and given the latter's growth rate, the Queen City will eventually win more hearts. It may take another 20 years, but it will get there.

Both cities have fantastic skylines and forumers from both areas have lots to be proud of. Let's not go the city vs. city route ;)

Minny has a beautiful skyline, so does St. Paul. I just love the Twin Cities. Now, if they could only get some snow this winter, I would be up there now....

one day, Concord Mills will be a historic site, and a plaque in the sidewalk will mention that because the old mall was torn down for suburban ego towers not unlike the "King and Queen" in Atlanta, err, Sandy Springs.

the plaque will say, "LSyd purchased a car CD adapter tape thingy on this spot once upon a time. he also ate with locals at the nearby TGI Friday's a couple of times." :lol:

-

one day, Concord Mills will be a historic site, and a plaque in the sidewalk will mention that because the old mall was torn down for suburban ego towers not unlike the "King and Queen" in Atlanta, err, Sandy Springs.

the plaque will say, "LSyd purchased a car CD adapter tape thingy on this spot once upon a time. he also ate with locals at the nearby TGI Friday's a couple of times." :lol:

-

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/wikipedia.jpg

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Redundant = LSyd

wow. this is lame. :|

ROFL Dude I'm with you on that.

As a resident of neither Charlotte nor Minneapolis, I think that both cities' skylines are among the ten best in the U.S. and that is significant since, to my knowledge, neither city is among the ten largest.

The best US skylines in my opinion are:

1 NY (Midtown and Downtown)
2 Chicago
3 LA
4 Philly
5 Charlotte
6 Minneapolis
7 Boston
8 Miami
9 SF
10 Jersey City and Midtown Atlanta

As a resident of neither Charlotte nor Minneapolis, I think that both cities' skylines are among the ten best in the U.S. and that is significant since, to my knowledge, neither city is among the ten largest.

The best US skylines in my opinion are:

1 NY (Midtown and Downtown)
2 Chicago
3 LA
4 Philly
5 Charlotte
6 Minneapolis
7 Boston
8 Miami
9 SF
10 Jersey City and Midtown Atlanta

Mine would be:

1. New York
2. Chicago
3. SF
4. Philly
5. Seattle
6. Atlanta
7. Houston
8. Minneapolis
9. Boston
10. LA

11. Charlotte (moving up strongly)

I don't like Miami's. It seems to spread out and unorganized to me. But I guess you could say they are around 11 or 12.

Charlotte's skyline is growing dramatically though. There are also no signs of this slowing down. In fact, I understand from other people that there will be a lot more news coming in 2007 for Charlotte.

But I do think Charlotte has a ways to go to catch up with Minneapolis. But I think they can.

But I do think Charlotte has a ways to go to catch up with Minneapolis. But I think they can.

Until Minneapolis completely stops building office towers and other highrises, then Charlotte will have a chance to catch up. I don't think that will happen anytime soon, especially now that a new office tower has been announced by Ryan Cos. and another one is rumored. There's speculation that Ryan's will be the city's new tallest and the second will rank number 2.

Good for Charlotte though.

Nice derailing :)

it looks good

If anyone will be in Uptown Charlotte anytime soon, you should visit the lobby area of One Wachovia, the bank's current main headquarters building; the "jukebox building". The model of the this project is on display there. It sits across from the Fujo resturant. It was very nice. I like the project even more now after seeing the model.

^^ Can someone snap a photo and post it?

i should be up that way sometime tomorrow during the day.
i'll be sure to get a photo.

if not tomorrow then i'll be there sometime this week when the weather finally turns good.

^^ Can someone snap a photo and post it?

See more here: http://www.pbase.com/mobuchu/wachovia

http://www.pbase.com/mobuchu/image/72078628/large.jpg

^ This makes me a little less excited about the project. I'm surprised to see such a large surface lot in the middle of the museum complex; it seems to take up so much of the block. And the museums themselves are really less than overwhelming from that visual.

Not to bash on it too hard, as the towers are spectacular and the multi-function use is outstanding, but it looks like there were some missed opportunities there.

Edit: I just realized that half of that "parking lot" is actually the street running through, so it's not as big as I thought. But still, I hate to see a lot in that location.

Mobuchu, that's an awesome link and great photos. I had no idea the project was this large. In reference to the parking lot, I'd would like to SEE one NC city build a museum in reference to the the historic event at Kitty Hawk.

We've got First in Flight on our tags, but none of the larger cities have invested in a large aviation museum. I went to an Aviation Museum in Seattle last month that was very nice (Boeing, etc).

To stay on theme with that area, a sizeable First in Flight Museum would be ideal for that for that parking lot adjacent to the AA Museum. I know the event occurred in Kitty Hawk, but Charlotte or Raleigh would generate greater attendance. Maybe there is one the I don't know about, reinforcing my point.

I truly believe any other state would've taken advantage of that historical event.

I guess it stems from the thinking in regards to the NC Zoo being located in Asheboro (not bashing Asheboro, it's a quaint town). Why not closer to Greensboro (near I-85/I-40) where it would've been much more accessible (20+ miles or so North of it's current location)? Sometimes it makes me wonder, who were the nitwits that made these decisions. Maybe there was rational, but that's for another thread

How tall will it be, again? :)

^ Two words: Teacup Museum.

Edit: Sorry, that was in reference to Durhamite's post. The tower will be 48 stories and 764 feet tall, give or take a little.

^ This makes me a little less excited about the project. I'm surprised to see such a large surface lot in the middle of the museum complex; it seems to take up so much of the block. And the museums themselves are really less than overwhelming from that visual.

I believe thats because Wachovia doesn't own that land, they only had the sliver along Stonewall which is why the AACC is so skinny. But with this complex going up the land value on the parking lot will hopefully create some development.

Mobuchu, that's an awesome link and great photos. I had no idea the project was this large.

Thanks, I keep updates on most of the major projects going on. Usually try to get a pic at least once a month for progress. Check them out here (http://www.pbase.com/mobuchu/projects) or at the link in my sig.

Mobuchu those are great pictures. Thanks for sharing those (had to grab em).

Regarding the parking lot across from the tower, while I was viewing the model there was a gentle with a group of people and he was discussing the project. One of them asked him about the parking lot and he said he thought it would be developed at a later time as "something". Now, I have no idea who he was and it sounded like pure speculation, but I would think that would be a pretty lucrative parcel for someone. In other words, I would think somebody, at some point, will realize that it could be better used as more than just a parking lot.

^ Two words: Teacup Museum.

Edit: Sorry, that was in reference to Durhamite's post. The tower will be 48 stories and 764 feet tall, give or take a little.

Very nice. Thank you. Good height. :yes:

Not trying to start a bitchfest...but the new wachovia is quite similar to Miami's wachovia with the sloping roof, and without the handle on top./and both are around the same height

I wonder exactly how tall the "handle" part is? :yes:
Would you say about 80 added ft. to the tower's overall height?

:)

Not trying to start a bitchfest...but the new wachovia is quite similar to Miami's wachovia with the sloping roof, and without the handle on top./and both are around the same height

I actually think it looks more like the Four Seasons in Miami.

Anything new with this one?

Here are some photos taken in the last week.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/P9280013.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/P9280011.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/P9280008.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/P9260054.jpg

The OP needs to change this to (U/C) in the title of the thread

Wachovia about 1 week ago.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/P1160364.jpg

Since it appears this project is now under construction, I changed the title of the thread from "app" to "U/C." :)

This thread might also belong in the "Highrises" section of the World Forums. I think this tower needs some international exposure.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/P5106322.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/P5026122.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/Wlangston1/Wachovia/P5026130.jpg

very nice

updates?

Its up to around 30 floors on the outside and 33 at the core. Glass up to 7 or 8. Plaza in between the mint and office tower is at street level and the mint/condo tower is only a couple of floors subgrade.

This is one of my favorite towers going up. It is simple, yet imposing and will be such a great addition to Charlotte.

Can we get some photos? I'm curious to see how it's lookiing so far in the skyline.

I guess the updates have been going in the general Charlotte developments thread. I'll revive this dedicated thread with pictures taken 10/24:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2771/4041613114_24c2f67ac4.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3627/4040870219_7b16c77d04.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2661/4041632494_b566fc516c.jpg

this building is a real stunner. Just thankful it was basically too far gone to be cancelled before Wachovia imploded. A real shame Charlotte had to lose this headquarters but i guess it could be worse.

Impressive tower. Reminds me of the AT&T Tower in Nashville just cleaner. Charlotte continues to impress me.

Impressive tower. Reminds me of the AT&T Tower in Nashville just cleaner. Charlotte continues to impress me.

And much TALLER!

Done!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4102/4824854709_d41ba7f9b3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbtuohy/4824854709/)
Duke Energy Center & Westin Hotel at sunset (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbtuohy/4824854709/) by jbtuohy (http://www.flickr.com/people/jbtuohy/), on Flickr

I drove through Charlotte a couple of weeks ago and saw this baby for the first time. Really nice addition to the skyline! Looks great!

I've asked this question a million times and either have not gotten or have missed the answer. Is the 'handle' concrete or aluminum ?

I've asked this question a million times and either have not gotten or have missed the answer. Is the 'handle' concrete or aluminum ?

Probably Alucobond aluminum panels over structural steel :yes:

http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/392498072/Curtain_Wall_alucobond_panel_Fireproof_Nanometer_Aluminum.jpg

That's what I was hoping. Shouldn't stain over time and look cheap and dated.