Bucharest to Spend More Than $1B on Subway [Archive]

nebunul

February 10th, 2007, 11:10 AM

Some news ...and see http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=229645&page=5

Public Transport Bucharest, Romania

Underground Map
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7089/500pxbucharestmetromap2kh7.png (http://imageshack.us)

Underground Train
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5425/a21dm8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bus - 500 Mercedes Citaro bought in 2005 (extra 400 to be bought in 2007)
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9528/citos5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Tram
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7716/800pxbucharestv2attram1jr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

100 new trams (2,3 mil euro/each) to be bought in spring 2007 (bid has taken place already)
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/4962/citadismontpellier3x01ea9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7310/b12siemensmelbourne1po0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Project for new subway Bucharest North Railway Station - Baneasa (Aurel Vlaicu) and Otopeni (Henri Coanda ) Airports ... the brown one on the attached picture ... decision to be made by end of March and works should start this year and is be completed in approx. 7 years

14 km and 14 stops ... to be financed by Japan Bank...approx 900mil euro

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8553/bucharestprojmap1js4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Japan might finance construction of subway line to Otopeni airport
Tarom decided in mid-October 2006 to half ticket fees for domestic routes, resulting in sales’ surge by 25 pc. The state owned airline company intends to keep the current pricing policy in the months to come.
published in issue 3847 page 8 at 2007-01-10
BUCHAREST – With the development of air traffic in Romania a problem still remains with respect to the difficult access to the largest airport in Romania. Authorities plan for some time now to build a new subway line to link Bucharest with Otopeni-based Henri Coanda International airport. As always, the main problem rest in the finanicng of the project, but yesterday minister delegate for Trade, Iuliu Winkler told the Japanese government might credit Bucharest City Hall for implementing the project. A decision in this respect is expected at end-March, Winkler added, quoted by Mediafax.

According to the already completed feasibility study of the EUR 900 M worth project, the new 14 kilometres subway line will link Capital’s main railway station with country’s largest airport. Bucharest Mayor, Adriean Videanu declared last summer the credit would be granted by the Japanese state in JPY at an annual interest rate of 0.75 per cent for 40 years, with a 10 years grace period to be also allowed.

Tarom posts increased revenues from domestic flights

State owned airline company Tarom starts collecting the benefits of having reduced in mid-October last year ticket prices for domestic flights by 50 per cent. According to company’s representatives, quoted by “Ziarul Financiar”, revenues from operations on the local market advanced by 25 per cent, with an average of over 70 per cent of airline’s domestic flights seats being occupied. Only in November 2006 the number of passengers on domestic flights went up by 20 per cent as against the previous month. The company also launched in December a new offer for domestic flights with a view to encouraging Romanians to shift from travelling by train to air traffic. Prices offered by Tarom are quite similar with those of a first class railway ticket, company’s representatives added. According to the sources, Tarom intends to keep the current pricing policy in the months to come. This strategy could be viewed as a response to the open sky agreement within the European Union air space, respectively allowing any foreign airline to operate domestic flights.

Tarom currently operates with 18 aircrafts on 31 routes abroad and the remaining two of four contracted Airbus 318-111s to be delivered are due to enter company’s fleet this year. Moreover, according to the secretary of state with the Ministry of Transports, Constructions and Tourism, Alexandros Galiatatos, Tarom could reintroduce the two Airbus A310 on new routes towards the Middle East, China or Central Asia as of October 2007.

EC imposed pollution tax to surge intra-community ticket prices by up to eur 9

Airlines will most definitely surge flight prices as of 2011 with an additional impact on passengers and air transportation’s worldwide attractively. The European Commission (EC) recently agreed to introduce a new tax on the airlines flying within the European air space. Starting 2011 companies will have to purchase polluting emissions permits for domestic flights while as of 2012 the permits will affect all international flights. According to the EC, the ticket fee will go up as a result by EUR 1.8-9 for flights within the EU and EUR 8-40 for routes towards the United States of America. EC claims the measure is included in EU’s strategy for fighting against climate changes. Over the last 17 years emissions of international flights within the European air space almost doubled.

http://www.nineoclock.ro/index.php?page=detalii&categorie=business&id=20070110-508881

Sbz2ifc

February 11th, 2007, 11:27 PM

Actually, they bought a lot of new trains from Bombardier, and some are still coming;

I think that the main problem are stations and signals that are not so clear and
easy to understand... i hope that they will really extend the actual network (that is something like 60km now).

The M2 only has the new trains (for 3 or 4 years now). They have started replacing trains on the other lines as well, and they are going to replace all the old trains at some point.

And it's true... directions in the subway are almost inexistent. :(

Qtya

February 12th, 2007, 01:36 AM

Nice going Bucharest!
Keep up the good work!

"100 new trams (2,3 mil euro/each) to be bought in spring 2007 (bid has taken place already)"

100 new trams... Amazing...

dejan

February 12th, 2007, 01:39 AM

Wow, not even the city i live here has such a planned subway! (doesn't really have one actually, how sad knowing its size) Congrats Romania:okay:

Qtya

February 12th, 2007, 01:45 AM

Wow, not even the city i live here has such a planned subway! (doesn't really have one actually, how sad knowing its size) Congrats Romania:okay:

Is Skopje planning a to build a subway sometime in the future?

dejan

February 12th, 2007, 01:56 AM

I'm not sure, don't think so. It's small compared to Bucharest and other such cities with already planned subways, but i guess it wouldn't hurt...but anyway i was referring to the city i live in, Brisbane Australia.

Qtya

February 12th, 2007, 02:02 AM

...but anyway i was referring to the city i live in, Brisbane Australia.

:colgate: Far away...

BTW I hope Skopje will get its subway in the future!

Realek

February 12th, 2007, 04:44 AM

Congrats Bucharest, this is an impressive development!

Is Skopje planning a to build a subway sometime in the future?

No subway, but a LRT is in planning stages and it should have quite a bit of tunnels if they dont try to improvise with cost saving improvisations (~5km of tunnels and some elevated track also)

Realek

February 12th, 2007, 04:52 AM

Hey Romanians, I noticed there's a station named "Izvor". Does that mean a spring in Romanian by any chance? :)

dejan

February 12th, 2007, 06:28 AM

^^That's a cool name for a station, when the train comes out hehe

nebunul

February 12th, 2007, 11:14 AM

Hey Romanians, I noticed there's a station named "Izvor". Does that mean a spring in Romanian by any chance? :)

Yep ... spring ...

BTW only 3 companies left for the tram bid: Bombardier Transportation Austria (with Flexity Outlook Tram on offrer), Alstom Transport and Simens. :cheers:

nebunul

February 12th, 2007, 11:18 AM

Hey Romanians, I noticed there's a station named "Izvor". Does that mean a spring in Romanian by any chance? :)

Yep ... spring :cheers:
BTW only 3 companies left for the tram bid: Bombardier Transportation Austria (with Flexity Outlook Tram on offrer), Alstom Transport and Siemens.

nebunul

February 12th, 2007, 11:34 AM

There are loads of infrastructure works in Bucharest up to 2009 ... IMO Bucharest will look decent around 2010 :cheers:

^^ … and sorry for the above repetitive post …

Realek

February 12th, 2007, 12:42 PM

Yep ... spring :cheers:

I made some Romanian friends while I was in USA and I learned that we share a quite a lot of words. It's really amazing considering that our languages belong to 2 completely different groups. :cheers:

Pressian

February 12th, 2007, 01:14 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language#Slavic_languages

ivan330Ci

February 16th, 2007, 07:26 AM

Bucharest is heading in the right direction.

nebunul

February 16th, 2007, 11:11 AM

^^ Cheers!
Only the politicians do not !!!! :ohno:

Corneliu

February 19th, 2007, 03:55 PM

^^ Cheers!
Only the politicians do not !!!! :ohno:

Leave the politicians alone. In every country politicians are generally disliked...

The rules of he game are made in Brussels anyway..but it is up to us to make the county more prosperous...studying better and working harder :cheers:

nebunul

February 19th, 2007, 04:03 PM

^^ Disagree with you... Leadership is very important ... and the politicians do not keep up with existing strong business trend (luckly)

Sbz2ifc

February 19th, 2007, 04:15 PM

Greva de la metrou paralizeaza Capitala
19 Februarie 2007
Andrei Ciurcanu

Sindicalistii au anuntat ca, dupa protestul de maine, ce va avea loc intre 4.00 si 6.00 dimineata, vor intra in greva generala.

Sindicalistii de la metrou sunt hotarati ca, maine-dimineata, intre 4.00 si 6.00, sa nu scoata trenurile din depouri. Astfel, Metrorex anunta inceputul unei noi crize pentru transportul de calatori din Capitala.

Angajatii ameninta ca, pe 24 februarie, intra in greva generala in cazul in care conducerea nu le ia in seama cererile. Astfel, cei peste 400.000 de bucuresteni care folosesc zilnic metroul vor fi nevoiti sa se inghesuie in mijloacele RATB.

"Conducerea Metrorex nu a venit la masa negocierilor si a motivat ca trebuie sa apara un act normativ cu privire la buget, iar noi trebuie sa mai asteptam", a justificat actiunea Ion Radoi, presedintele Uniunii Sindicatelor Libere Metrou.

Pe lista nemultumirilor se numara: o majorare salariala de 40a (negociabila), imbunatatirea conditiilor de munca si asigurarea alimentatiei de protectie.

O greva generala ar duce la paralizarea traficului in Capitala si asta pentru ca 400.000 de persoanele care folosesc metroul nu ar putea fi preluate de transportul suprateran.

Actiunea sindicatului este ilegala

Directorul Metrorex, Liviu Soava, contraataca si sustine ca, de fapt, sindicalistii nu au dorit sa se aseze la masa negocierilor inca de pe 31 ianuarie.

"Ne-am intalnit dimineata, dar au refuzat sa asculte oferta noastra si au propus sa ne reintalnim la ora 16.00. Dupa protestul spontan din Piata Unirii, despre care eu nu am stiut nimic, ne-am reintalnit la ora 18.45 si le-am propus o marire salariala in doua transe. Una de 6a chiar de la 1 februarie, iar o a doua dupa ce se voteaza bugetul. Nu au dorit sa semneze procesul-verbal", a explicat Soava.

Directorul a adaugat ca aceasta propunere era o solutie de compromis, care ar fi permis prelungirea contractului de munca. In lipsa unei discutii intre cele doua tabere, se pare ca la Ministerul Muncii nu a fost atestat niciun conflict de interese care sa motiveze greva angajatilor.

"Eu le-am spus ca actiunea lor se desfasoara fara un temei legal si vor suporta consecintele. Noi am depus proiectul de buget, iar acesta urmeaza sa fie adoptat prin ordinul comun al ministrilor finantelor, transportului si muncii", a incheiat Soava.

Piata Unirii, cea mai aglomerata statie

Un studiu dat publicitatii toamna trecuta de Operations Research pentru Betacons si Euromedia a aratat ca 23% dintre locuitorii Bucurestiului folosesc transportul subteran. Din cei peste 400.000 de calatori, mai mult de jumatate sunt "clienti" constanti.

Studiul a mai aratat ca profilul general al celui care calatoreste cu metroul este: persoana adulta, cu varsta cuprinsa intre 35 si 49 de ani, cu studii si venituri medii (66%). Motivele pentru care folosesc metroul sunt legate de serviciu - 27%, vizite - 25% si doar 14% aleg acest mijloc de transport pentru a merge la cumparaturi.

http://www.evz.ro/files/2007/POZE/Februarie/19/graficmetrou.jpg

http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=292809

nebunul

February 24th, 2007, 04:58 PM

Existing trains ...

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/4567/subcs0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5490/sub1uo8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

February 28th, 2007, 04:15 PM

Romania: Itochu proposes Maglev technology for Bucharest

Romanian PM Calin Popescu Tariceanu had a meeting in Tokyo with the management of the Japanese company Itochu, interested to design and implement the project on the underground line due to connect the Victoria Square to Henri Coanda Airpor.
‘'The technical solution proposed for the underground line is called Maglev which is a magnetic levitation system, without direct contact on the rails and I would say, that from a technological viewpoint, this method is the most advanced solution at present. Of course we are interested to work with Japanese companies which have extraordinary experience in the railway transport infrastructure,'' Tariceanu said.

The financing of the project worth $700 million, VAT not included, could be provided by Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC).

Tariceanu met with JBIC Governor Kyosuke Shinozawa, who stressed that the bank he is running, is interested in this project, given the favourable impact on the environment, which is a preoccupation of the JBIC.
www.railway-market.pl

Adi-Romania(Boston)

February 28th, 2007, 06:07 PM

Ummmmm whyyy????? While I love the tech....there's absolutely no point to go 500km/h over a distance of 20km!!!

nebunul

February 28th, 2007, 07:03 PM

Ummmmm whyyy????? While I love the tech....there's absolutely no point to go 500km/h over a distance of 20km!!!

^^:nuts: I think there are few available speed ranges (IF they choose Maglev technology) … so they would go for about 100km/h (cheaper option). For 500km/h the price would be very high (materials/ technology, consumption, safety features etc.)

Adi-Romania(Boston)

February 28th, 2007, 08:14 PM

I agree w you on price and all but not much on safety...theres really not much you can do with this, its an extremely safe technology...the only accident was when 2 trains collided (on the same track)...now that's just human stupidity!!

As for the different speed settings...I'll have to look into that, I didin't know they have ones that top out at different speeds because the Japanese one doesn't lift off the ground until it hits 140kph.

nebunul

February 28th, 2007, 09:31 PM

Sbz2ifc

March 1st, 2007, 12:37 AM

Here are some pictures of the Linimo in Aichi:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=3007491&postcount=4

http://www.pref.aichi.jp/kensetsu-somu/owari-ken-toubukyuryo/top/img/topics/linimo_photo1.jpghttp://www.pref.aichi.jp/kensetsu-somu/owari-ken-toubukyuryo/top/img/topics/linimo_photo2.jpg

http://www.pref.aichi.jp/kensetsu-somu/owari-ken-toubukyuryo/top/img/topics/linimo_photo3.jpghttp://www.pref.aichi.jp/kensetsu-somu/owari-ken-toubukyuryo/top/img/topics/linimo_photo5.jpg

http://www.pref.aichi.jp/kensetsu-somu/owari-ken-toubukyuryo/top/src/topics/topics_linimo_photo6.htmlhttp://www.pref.aichi.jp/kensetsu-somu/owari-ken-toubukyuryo/top/img/topics/linimo_photo7.jpghttp://www.pref.aichi.jp/kensetsu-somu/owari-ken-toubukyuryo/top/img/topics/linimo_photo8.jpg

nebunul

March 3rd, 2007, 12:44 PM

Bucharest Metro ... Live ... :nuts: :)

GY_PgA9IHHw&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_PgA9IHHw&mode=related&search=

Adi-Romania(Boston)

March 3rd, 2007, 06:05 PM

Show some movies of the new one :-D

nebunul

March 3rd, 2007, 06:49 PM

These are the new ones ... unless you mean the SF ones :nuts: :-)

Adi-Romania(Boston)

March 4th, 2007, 02:01 AM

those ones :-D Precum Sageata Albastra!

Dulgeroff

March 4th, 2007, 06:25 AM

"The world's first commercial application of a high-speed maglev line is the IOS (initial operating segment) demonstration line in Shanghai, China that transports people 30 km (18.6 miles) to the airport in just 7 minutes 20 seconds (top speed of 431 km/h or 268 mph, average speed 250 km/h or 150 mph

I've used the Shanghai maglev a few times now and I must say it's amazing. The train's actual top speed is between 550 and 600 km/h, but for safety reasons and lower maintenance costs they top it off at 431 km/h around the midway point between the airport and the only other station in the city. Unfortunately it's not used at night, as they feel it may be unsafe for a variety of reasons. It's fun since at the midway point you're traveling at about 125 metres per second, but the line is rather short and you still have to grab a taxi to downtown Shanghai after that so it's almost unnecessary. On the other hand it does shave a good half hour off your journey if it were to be taken by bus or car and thereby from that standpoint it's rather cool. Anyhow, they are going to be expanding the track there all the way up to the Pudong downtown area so it will be much better in a few years.

As far as the costs involved, it is much more expensive to build a maglev track than a normal one. There are many reasons for this and I won't get into that, but the technology only makes sense for high-speed transportation and not intra-city low speed locomotion. In fact, the maglevs are competitive only for speeds above 300 km/h as this generally considered the practical 'long-term' safety limit of wheeled trains. The Japanese built their line as a demonstration of the technology and primarily to gain 'face' as opposed to profiting from it in a commercial fashion. My opinion is that Bucharest should not use this technology as it will cost a lot more without any speed advantage over normal trains. If however Bucharest wants to utilize the tech then I think it will only make sense for a two station link that is at least 40 km in length.

Whichever way it goes, I hope it turns out well. :)

kelvinyang

March 4th, 2007, 08:17 AM

I lived in Romania a quarter of century ago. I took subways in Bucharest many times. I am glad that Romania is accelerating its economic development.

nebunul

April 13th, 2007, 02:47 PM

Bucharest - Procedures for ANOTHER 900 mil Euro subway project (including trains cost) to start by the end of this year
Survey cost - 2.4 mill Euro

^^ Incep procedurile pentru linia de metrou Rahova-Colentina, investitie de 900 mil. euro :banana:

Metrorex va incepe in acest an procedurile pentru construirea liniei de metrou intre cartierele Rahova si Colentina, prin elaborarea studiului de fezabilitate, intregul proiect reprezentand o investitie totala estimata la 900 milioane de euro, suma ce include si cumpararea garniturilor de tren.
Studiul de fezabilitate, pentru care Metrorex va plati circa 2,4 milioane de euro, va fi realizat de o firma selectata prin licitatie organizata la finele acestui an, a declarat, marti, directorul tehnic si de investitii al Metrorex, Stefan Rotaru.
Noua linie de metrou va face legatura directa intre Rahova, Piata Unirii, Obor si Colentina. Mediafax

www.zf.ro/

Astralis

April 14th, 2007, 10:40 PM

I like these subway projects in Bucharest. The projects are expensive but they are sure worth of spending that amount of money. :cheers:

nebunul

September 22nd, 2007, 12:40 PM

Some news ...and see http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=229645&page=5

Public Transport Bucharest, Romania

Project for new subway Bucharest North Railway Station - Baneasa (Aurel Vlaicu) and Otopeni (Henri Coanda ) Airports ... the brown one on the attached picture ... decision to be made by end of March and works should start this year and is be completed in approx. 7 years

M6 ... 14 km and 14 stops ... to be financed by Japan Bank...approx 900mil euro

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8553/bucharestprojmap1js4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Japan might finance construction of subway line to Otopeni airport
Tarom decided in mid-October 2006 to half ticket fees for domestic routes, resulting in sales’ surge by 25 pc. The state owned airline company intends to keep the current pricing policy in the months to come.
published in issue 3847 page 8 at 2007-01-10
BUCHAREST – With the development of air traffic in Romania a problem still remains with respect to the difficult access to the largest airport in Romania. Authorities plan for some time now to build a new subway line to link Bucharest with Otopeni-based Henri Coanda International airport. As always, the main problem rest in the finanicng of the project, but yesterday minister delegate for Trade, Iuliu Winkler told the Japanese government might credit Bucharest City Hall for implementing the project. A decision in this respect is expected at end-March, Winkler added, quoted by Mediafax.

According to the already completed feasibility study of the EUR 900 M worth project, the new 14 kilometres subway line will link Capital’s main railway station with country’s largest airport. Bucharest Mayor, Adriean Videanu declared last summer the credit would be granted by the Japanese state in JPY at an annual interest rate of 0.75 per cent for 40 years, with a 10 years grace period to be also allowed.

^^ " Contract to be signed in March 2008. Soon the japnese specialists will come over" ... in romanian below

„Avem termen-limita luna martie 2008, cand se va incheia contractul. In curand vor veni in Capitala si specialistii japonezi”, spune Gheorghe Udriste, directorul Directiei Infrastructura si Servicii Publice, din cadrul Primariei Generale a Municipiului Bucuresti (PMB).

"3 billion Euro to be spent in the next 15 years on subway projects"

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8365/graf10lh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=323331

CrazySerb

September 22nd, 2007, 09:49 PM

I admire Bucharest for its vision.:yes:
I just wish we had some of your courage and foresight in Belgrade:(

nebunul

September 23rd, 2007, 11:54 AM

^^ I think Bucharest's "courage" is actually its only decent option ... get the surface traffic underground ...

nebunul

October 24th, 2007, 04:51 PM

I think would be good for both projects to be completed. The railway connection first (quicker and cheaper) and the subway after. I am just tired of talks talks talks ...

Bucharest airport link could transport passengers in 3 years
www.zf.ro

Ludovic Orban, Minister for Transport, has told ZIARUL FINANCIAR that the proposed project to link the Gara de Nord (Bucharest North Railway Station) and Otopeni Airport could cost around 200 million euros and take three years to complete. "The value of the project will be more accurate after our present feasibility survey is completed, however, I think the value will stand at around 200 million euros, which is five times less than the project proposed by Bucharest City Hall," Ludovic Orban said. The creation of an infrastructure to link Bucharest to the Otopeni area has caused a dispute between Bucharest City Hall and the Transport Ministry, with each institution proposing individual projects. On the one hand, the General Council of the City Hall has recently voted to construct a new metro line between Piata Victoriei and Otopeni, which is evaluated at some 1.1 billion euros and set for completion in seven years. On the other hand, the Minister of Transport has suggested that the railway line, which is already in use to transport aircraft fuel to Otopeni airport, should be converted into a passenger transportation rail link. The proposed rail link will start from Gara de Nord, and require a two-kilometre extension.
"The necessary period of preparation for this project, from the feasibility survey to the tender, will be one year, while the actual construction could take around two years," Orban added.

Sbz2ifc

October 24th, 2007, 04:59 PM

The rail link sounds ok, especially if it's a direct connection.

I think we all know that the subway won't be ready in 7 years... I guess we're lucky if it's ready in 2020.

nebunul

October 24th, 2007, 05:05 PM

The rail link sounds ok, especially if it's a direct connection.

I think we all know that the subway won't be ready in 7 years... I guess we're lucky if it's ready in 2020.

^^ They can use existing - Baneasa Railway Station also
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7390/111cy2.png (http://imageshack.us)

Sbz2ifc

October 24th, 2007, 05:56 PM

That would actually mean taking a detour, cause from Baneasa the trains go towards the seaside, away from Otopeni.

I took a look on wikimapia, and I think the plan is to go through Mogosoaia. The train tracks pass by pretty close to Otopeni.

Cosmin

October 24th, 2007, 06:08 PM

First of all, let's make clear two things:
1) Orban is a total idiot and a complete jackass;
2) a metro line running from Victoriei to Otopeni would have about 17 stations in between (19 in total), thus also serving many other people, not just those coming or going from/to the airport.

If they wanna do them both, fine by me. The rail link would fit nicely into that TER project, and it should be finished quicker. But completely scraping the subway line project is just dumb.:bash:

I'm eagerly awaiting for the Ministery of Transport to give Metrorex to the city hall. I don't know why the *beep* they needed 17 years for this, but that's another thing...

To conclude, I think the idiot Orban will once more eat shit and try to stop a very good project. Yeah, it costs 1 billion EUR... so what? Better to spend money than be cheap and without a modern metro system.

Sbz2ifc

October 24th, 2007, 09:25 PM

I agree... the subway line is a must. But they should really reconfigure the Piata Victoriei station as well, because it's a nightmare already. It once took me 5 minutes during rush hour just to go down the stairs to the M1 line. If they don't do a good job integrating the new station and creating decent links between the 3 lines/stations then the whole new line will be half-screwed from the beginning.

They should also use the "park & ride" system for all the stations after Piata Scanteii, in order to encourage the use of the system.

About my 2020 prediction for the end of the construction... just look at the Green Line (M4)... it's still not finished after how many years?

Cosmin

October 24th, 2007, 10:03 PM

Yeah, I don't know... the M4 extension is "under construction" since the Revolution or the early '90s, but it was plagued by lack of funding. And if I remember, they didn't even put the whole thing in conservation, so all those tunnels were flooded. Idiots! I'm hoping that M6 (Victoriei - Otopeni) will not face funding problems, since we've got the Japs on our side. :lol:

I know what you mean with Piaţa Victoriei station. I take the subway to go to school (ASE), so I get off at Victoriei 1 and then squeeze my way upstairs, to take the other, southbound train. I'm always facing a puzzle: should I wait at the escalators or should I wait at the stairs. :lol: And when I go home it's about the same. I think the worst is from 8 to 9 AM. IMO, the interval between trains should be max. 3 mins at rush-hour, but since I once waited ~11 minutes (on M2!) at 8 AM, it's quite normal for it to be so crowded. I know they're working on reducing the waiting time, and I've seen some improvements... let's hope we'll have better service in the future. :)

Sbz2ifc

October 24th, 2007, 10:18 PM

One other thing about the subway... Videanu has been bragging that he's gonna build more stations on the existing lines. Of course since City Hall doesn't have Metrorex he was just making lousy promises.

What do you think about the idea though? I think it's a good one (probably not Videanu's :D), and the construction of new stations shouldn't stop the traffic on the lines.

A good station would be at Budapesta (almost halfway between Tineretului and Unirii - current distance is 1.5 km). Any other ideas?

Cosmin

October 24th, 2007, 10:48 PM

If you ask me, cost problems aside, they should build a new station between each two existing stations on all lines. Look at Paris, the average interstation distance is between 424 and 1,129 m (depending on the line: shortest on line 4 and longest on line 14). In Bucharest, the average interstation distance, is ~1,380 m.

But they really should build new stations at least in between:
M1
-Dristor 2 & Muncii
-Obor & Ştefan cel Mare
-Timpuri Noi & Mihai Bravu
-Mihai Bravu & Dristor 1
-Dristor 1 & Nicolae Grigorescu (huge distance)
-Nicolae Grigorescu & Titan

M2
-Piaţa Romană & Universitate
-Piaţa Unirii & Tineretului
-Piaţa Sudului & Apărătorii Patriei

M4
-Basarab & Griviţa

And like you said, build some parkings near the stations, so you can leave your car there and take the metro. They'd be very efficient near the station far from the city center, I think.

Videanu is too small for a city with problems so big, and sometimes he doesn't have the pullies he needs, like in the case of Metrorex. Why the f**k is Bucharest Metro subordoned to the Ministery?! It should be subordoned to the Metropolitan Transport Authority. Btw, that's another project they've so far failed to implement.

nebunul

December 5th, 2007, 03:32 PM

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/9603/1bow0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Above letter attached to below city hall 18.10.2007 press release (Romanian only)

COMUNICAT DE PRESĂ

Primăria Municipiului Bucureşti rămâne consecventă în eforturile sale de a extinde şi moderniza reţeaua de metrou, întrucât apreciază că astfel se găseşte o soluţie viabilă pentru decongestionarea traficului în oraş pe termen mediu şi lung.

Master Plan-ul de Transport Urban elaborat de către JICA (Japan International Cooperation Agency) în anul 1999 şi aprobat de către CGMB în toamna anului 2000 recomandă între priorităţile de dezvoltare a infrastructurii urbane de transport continuarea lucrărilor de extindere a reţelei de metrou din Bucureşti.

În ultimii ani, municipalitatea Bucureşti a fost singura interesată de acest proiect, Ministerul Transporturilor, în subordinea căruia se află metroul, neasigurând niciodată fonduri pentru extinderea reţelei de transport subteran al Capitalei la necesarul impus.

Dezvoltarea în ritm accelerat a zonei de nord a Capitalei, creşterea masivă a numărului locuitorilor din această zonă, dezvoltarea serviciilor şi comerţului, precum şi creşterea accentuată a utilizatorilor transportului aerian prin aeroporturile Băneasa şi Otopeni au impus cu strictă necesitate soluţionarea transportului public în zonă. Bucureştiul se află în situaţia unuia dintre puţinele oraşe mari europene care, deşi dispune de o reţea de metrou mediu dezvoltată, nu are o legătură feroviară rapidă între centrul oraşului şi aeroport.

În aceste condiţii, singura soluţie menită să rezolve problemele transportului public în partea de nord a oraşului, convenită de către specialişti în transporturi şi urbanism şi acceptată de către PMB, Ministerul Transporturilor şi Guvernul României, a fost aceea a realizării unei linii de metrou pe această direcţie, soluţie agreată şi promovată de către Ministerul Transporturilor încă din legislatura 1996-2000.

Viabilitatea proeictului a fost confirmată şi de studiul de fezabilitate elaborat de către municipalitate şi aprobat de Consiliul General al Municipiului Bucureşti.

Ca urmare a scrisorii comune adresate în luna octombrie 2005 Guvernului Japoniei de către Primarul General al Capitalei, Ministrul Transporturilor şi Primul-Ministru al României, JBIC - Banca Japoneză pentru Cooperare Internaţională a trimis la Bucureşti misiunea SAPROF (asistenţă specială pentru formarea proiectului), misiune care analizează fezabilitatea proiectului şi condiţiile de finanţare. Decizia finală asupra finanţării urmează a fi luată până în luna martie 2008.

Primarul General Adriean Videanu apreciează că declaraţiile fără acoperire ale unor oficiali ce se pretind a fi din zona Ministerului Transporturilor sunt de natură politicianistă şi pot pune în pericol acordarea creditului solicitat de către Guvernul României.
(În ataş – scrisoarea adresată Guvernului Japoniei, semnată de Primul Ministru, Ministrul Transporturilor şi Primarul General al Capitalei).

18.10.2007
Serviciul pentru Relaţia cu Mass-Media
etaj I, camera 133
tel: 305 55 03; fax: 305 55 04
e-mail: presa@bucuresti-primaria.ro

Le Clerk

December 5th, 2007, 03:37 PM

Cosmin

January 12th, 2008, 11:07 AM

Nice (though repetitive) vid about the Movia trains of the Bucharest Metro.
YnTU_ztvOvk&feature=related

And a short one shot near the Depoul IMGB station.
mF86sfOjlwc&feature=related
:deadthrea

nebunul

January 31st, 2008, 07:07 PM

Battle over city transport
[url]http://www.thediplomat.ro

Metro expansion is a necessity for the city – but there is a fight over who should own the underground
As the traffic in the city comes to gridlock, more commuters are ducking into the Bucharest Metro as the only mode of transport where they can be assured of the length of journey time.
The underground now clocks up around 650,000 journeys during the weekdays and this is set to rise as Bucharest grows and more people use the Metro at the expense of private cars and overland transport.
The Metro operator, Metrorex, says it plans to open up new lines from current four to eight and increase the number of stations on existing lines.
But critics have argued that their strategy lacks coordination with the city planning.
“The Metro expansion strategy is built on illusions,” says Gheorghe Udriste, general director of the Infrastructure and Public Services General Department, Bucharest City Hall. He argues that the Metro’s development strategy must be integrated with the plans of Bucharest City Hall and its overground public transport system. At present the Metro and its operator Metrorex are only answerable to the central Government, the Ministry of Transport.
“[Metrorex] has not been managed properly for the past seven years and any decision they have taken so far has been done without consultation with Bucharest City Hall,” says Udriste. “A minister cannot coordinate transport in a city alone. He has other problems and Metro expansion is not a priority for him, because, as proof, nothing has been done.”
Therefore, Bucharest’s general council wants to establish a Metropolitan Transport Authority uniting trams, buses, trolleybuses and metro, under the control of the Bucharest City Hall.
But this needs approval from the Ministry of Transport, which may not want to give up the Metro.
“I don’t think Metrorex should come under the responsibility of the Bucharest City Hall because the Ministry has the capacity to attract more money,” argues Gabriel Stanciu, managing director of Alstom Transport Romania. “The ministry gets its budget from taxes from the entire population of Romania, while the Bucharest City Hall only gets its funds from the capital. And nobody said metro transportation should be a profitable business.”

In the east
The east of Bucharest’s Metro on the M1 line, started in 1989 but delayed due to the reconstruction of the country, will see the four-station, 4.5 km long extension to connect Nicolae Grigorescu with the ring-road and the Bucharest-Constanta motorway, open in the second half of 2008. “Now low voltage electrical installations are being installed and public spaces have been completed,” says Stefan Rotaru, technical and investment director at Metrorex.
The 12-year project costs 76 million Euro and uses 38 million Euro funds from the European Investment Bank (EIB) and the remainder from the Romanian Government.

In the north
The Metro’s extension to the north-west has also seen delays – but is moving. “We are now finishing structural works on the 1 Mai - Bazilescu line, between Pajura and Parc Bazilescu,” says Rotaru. This work aims to finish in the second quarter of 2008. This 55 million Euro project has received 30 million Euro financing from the EIB for structural works. It needs a further 25 million Euro is for equipment and operation from the public budget.

To the airport
Bucharest’s General Council has approved the plan to build a Metro line to link the city centre with Henri Coanda airport in Otopeni. This will not be an investment by Bucharest’s underground operator Metrorex, although the transport company will operate the line, although it is not under the control of Bucharest City Hall. The 1.1 billion Euro project will be financed 80 per cent by the Japan Bank of International Cooperation (JBIC) in a ten-year grace period that has to be repaid in 30 years with interest standing at 1.5 per cent.
Not everyone agrees with the plan. “It will not be profitable and cannot become profitable,” says Stanciu. “Much more simple is a rail link between Gara de Nord and Otopeni, which is cheaper, because the rail is already in place.” The new line to Otopeni will depart from Piata Victoriei and will include Blvd Expozititei and Baneasa Airport. This approach will also allow for further development of a North-South line, between Uranus and Progresul in the southwest.
This line will have 19 stations, one depot and will be served by 20 trains, transporting about 50,000 travellers per hour for 16 km. Its completion deadline is between five and seven years – at the earliest 2013. “The line will be completely underground,” says Udriste. “There were some ideas to have it over the ground, but they were stated without consulting the existing urban context and realising the real problems of going through some plots of land.”
Travelling time from Piata Victoriei to Otopeni will last a maximum of 30 minutes.

Bucharest Metro:What might happen, but isn’t definite

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8264/bbnt2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Central
Both Metrorex and Bucharest central authorities say the “priority” project is the new M5 line, linking Drumul Taberei to Pantelimon. A feasibility study on the first nine km phase, from Ghencea-Drumul Taberei-Razoare-Eroilor-Universitate is complete.
This will have 13 stations and need 570 million Euro, including 21 new trains. “The project will start operating seven years after we begin works, which means 2015 if we begin now,” says Rotaru. “EIB has agreed to finance the M5 line and we are now waiting for the Ministry of Finance to approve the credit.”
There is also a feasibility study for the second phase, from Universitate to Pantelimon. This will be eight-km long with 13 stations, costing 828 million Euro including 15 trains, with a five year period of development. There is as yet no financing for this line.

Southwest
The south-west lacks exposure to a Metro, but that could change with the plan to build a southern arc between the west at Crangasi to Dristor 2 in the east. This line will also include stations at Armata Poporului, Ghencea, Rahova, Toporasi, Piata Sudului and Splaiul Unirii. The southern arc will be 16.5 km long and will have 25 stations, with a total investment of 741 million Euro.

New lines
Besides M5, Metrorex has also commissioned the feasibility studies for two more projects. There is the extension of the M4 line, from Gara de Nord to Progresul, costing 550 million Euro, 10.7 km in length with 20 stations. Also the 924 million Euro diagonal M7, 21 km in length with 31 stations, from the southwest Rahova to northeast Colentina.

More stations
Besides these projects, there is a 225 million Euro investment plan to build nine stations on the existing lines. These include Dorobanti, Colentina Hospital, Maior Coravu, Calea Vitan, Pod Marasesti, Budapesta, Podul Grant, Liviu Rebreanu and the Polytechnic Institute.

Trams: travellers leaving for Metro
Bucharest’s tram network has seen a drop in the number of users this year. The capital’s public transport authority RATB has reported 197 million journeys by tram in the first six months of 2007, down from 202 million journeys for the same period in 2006.
“There is a migration from RATB travellers towards Metro,” says RATB exploitation director Valeriu Bunea. “Reasons include the climate, the traffic and the roadworks which are making over the ground travelling harder.”
Bucharest’s 280 km tram network is now undergoing a large modernisation programme. Most infrastructure experts highlight the importance of separating the tram network from the car traffic to ease congestion and improve efficiency, which is happening on some lines. But on other lines which are not in use or are sidelined for redevelopment, vehicle owners are using the railways as an improvised car park in the centre of the road.
“Tram lines have all the chances to follow the city’s development,” says Gabriel Stanciu, Alstom Transport. “If I were in charge, I would build metro lines in crowded areas and tram lines on the outskirts.”
But there are no plans to build any new lines or remove any old ones. “Expansion meets reluctance from Bucharest inhabitants who live close to tram lines, as well as from car drivers,” says Bunea. “Those who live on streets with tram lines complain about the noise, while drivers complain they do not have a place to drive. This problem is mainly connected to the current configuration of streets in Bucharest and that some lines are superimposed on metro lines. In Bucharest, metro expansion is more feasible.”

Cosmin

February 2nd, 2008, 11:04 AM

The Metro operator, Metrorex, says it plans to open up new lines from current four to eight and increase the number of stations on existing lines.
Yeah, and I plan to go to NYU, make $1 mil. by the time I'm 26 just from the stock market and marry Jessica Alba or Jennifer L. Hewitt (can't decide:D)... BULLSHIT!:bash: First they need to finish those two extensions that we're waiting for for more than a decade... then maybe I'll believe their plans.

Also, establish that MTA already and give the metro to them, you twats!:bash:

Giuseppe87

February 2nd, 2008, 11:36 AM

Wow! a 60% increase in metro journeys in just 4 years. This, and the fact that the metro capacity hasn't changed in these 4 years, explains the overcrowding... at this rate in a few more years the metro will be just as bad as taking a bus at rush hours :lol:

pescarush

February 2nd, 2008, 11:39 AM

is already that bad!

Cosmin

February 2nd, 2008, 11:42 AM

It's small Tokyo at rush hour(s).:)

Giuseppe87

February 2nd, 2008, 11:48 AM

At least you still get wherever you're going faster than by bus; if the overcrowding continues you won't even be able to get on the metro... ever... so you'll never make it to where you're going :lol:

That said, it really is bad... at rush hours you shouldn't have to wait for more than a minute and a half, maybe 2 minutes, but at times you have to wait for more than 5 minutes between trains... :(

nebunul

February 2nd, 2008, 11:59 AM

Obvious short term solution for metro: increase frequency and lengthen the platforms/trains

nebunul

February 4th, 2008, 11:24 AM

Going large
www.thediplomat.ro
Big infrastructure projects are the planned solution for the collapse of the capital’s traffic system

Traffic jams, car accidents, angry drivers and nervous pedestrians are the main characteristics of public space in Bucharest today.
The streets of the Capital are too narrow for the large number of cars that have increased in the last 19 years since Romania became a democratic country. Until a few years ago none of the local authorities in Bucharest created a strategic plan to solve the problem of the heavy traffic in Bucharest, which is still in danger of bringing the city to deadlock.
Currently, there are 1.2 million cars for two million inhabitants. This year the number of cars will increase by 100,000 more while, in 2012, there will be 1.6 million cars on the Capital’s streets, according to the Car Registration Office.
However there are only 400,000 car parking spaces for this number. This means there is a shortfall of at least 0.8 million spaces in the city. But this does not take into account the fact that many drivers will need a space for home, work and shopping. Nor does it include spaces for the 50,000 vehicles that every day transit the city.
The main works on the road infrastructure network of Bucharest were made for the rehabilitation and reconstruction of the streets. But this has not taken into account a plan to unblock the city. The solution is to make studies able to give a prognosis on the traffic conditions over the next period, but also to create a strategy for big infrastructure projects that do not have to be finished in the mandate of one mayor or another.
“Bucharest is difficult to manage,” says Marius Bostan, senior partner for consulting company VMB Partners. “The bureaucratic structure of the city and the city planning is complicated and the responsibilities between the authorities of the six districts and the General City Hall are unclear. The public pressure is also high because of the large number of inhabitants and cars.”
Eight years ago an increase in traffic jams was predicted. Now the city can already see construction works on tunnels, fly-overs, parking spaces or enlargements to the main boulevards and the metro network. But Bostan says the complex infrastructure projects will take many years to implement.
Romeo Botocan, executive manager at Max Boegl Romania, says there is some distortion of information in the press due to political infighting. He explains that when a construction company signs contracts for infrastructure projects under a controversial politician’s mandate, the press attacks the politician by saying that the construction company he hired is not doing a good job.
“It is difficult to be caught in a political fight even though you have nothing to do with it,” he says. “We offer quality, we respect the given deadlines and we don’t care under which political regime we are active.”
Foreign construction companies are favoured in auctions by the local or central authorities when it comes to complex infrastructure projects. The main conditions to win such projects are to have a solid portfolio and a high turnover. For example, Max Boegl won the auction to construct from scratch a new national stadium in Bucharest.
But the company has a history of constructing in the past stadiums in Frankfurt, Cologne, Dubai and also the Allianz Arena in Munich for the 2006 Football World Cup.

Price of development
The inhabitants of Bucharest have been suffocated during the last two years because of the major programme of street rehabilitation that is active all over the city.
This is, in some ways, a symptom of success. Bucharest has money for the first time to spend on infrastructure since the Revolution. In the last two years the City Hall of Bucharest has spent the 600 million Euro on the roads, the largest amount ever since 1989. Below are some of the major projects.

■ Basarab Flyover
The first important infrastructure project in Bucharest, the ‘Basarab’ fly-over, started in autumn 2006 and is targeted to finish in Spring next year. The two-kilometre fly-over costs 570 million Euro and is constructed by an Italian-Spanish consortium made of Astaldi and FCC Construccion.

■ Exit strategy
Bucharest’s authorities have a long-term plan to construct 21 exits from Bucharest. This is a necessity because every Friday evening or on Saturday mornings long queues are formed by drivers leaving the Capital. The worst traffic jams are created in the North, on Bucharest’s exit to the mountains, on the exit to the Sun motorway (A2) towards Constanta and on the exit to Bucuresti-Pitesti motorway in the West. Two fly-overs in Baneasa and one in Otopeni have been constructed in the north city where the biggest traffic problems emerge.

■ Motorway exits
A new eight kilometre exit to Bucuresti-Pitesti (A1) motorway, worth 143 million Euro, will start to be constructed this year by Max Boegl, Astaldi and Tehnologica Radion. The biggest section will be a fly-over between Blvd Splaiul Independentei, Ciurel Lake and the A1 motorway. The works are due to be finished in two and a half years since the contract was signed in last November. A similar project will soon start on the exit to the A2 motorway. The City Hall will spend around 60 million Euro to connect Splaiul Unirii to the Sun Motorway. The auction was won also by Max Boegl and Astaldi but was contested in court by another bidder. “We hope the legal proceedings will end so we can start the construction works this Spring,” says Romeo Botocan, Max Boegl.

■ Southern changes
A fly-over is under construction also in the south in order to connect Blvd Doamna Ghica with Blvd Chisinau. The City Hall also intends to ease the traffic in Drumul Taberei by extending the metro, but the underground is, for the moment, under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Transport.

■ Under offer
City Hall intends to construct the first underpass after 1989, worth 50 million Euro, in the Drumul Taberei area, at the Razoare crossroad. Underpasses below the crossroads at Obor and Piata Muncii are now being reconstructed.

Le Clerk

February 4th, 2008, 11:31 AM

Le Clerk

February 4th, 2008, 11:38 AM

I am dying to see the design for the flyover above the Ciurel/Morii Lake:

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7513/ciurelpb7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It must be a long flyover and it'd better be stunning!

nebunul

February 4th, 2008, 11:43 AM

COTNARI

February 4th, 2008, 01:12 PM

I am dying to see the design for the flyover above the Ciurel/Morii Lake:

It must be a long flyover and it'd better be stunning!

You can check the plans here (http://www4.pmb.ro/wwwt/urbanism/Sector_6_07/PUZ%20coordonator%20Sector%206.pdf)(PUZ)

Le Clerk

February 4th, 2008, 01:25 PM

You can check the plans here (http://www4.pmb.ro/wwwt/urbanism/Sector_6_07/PUZ%20coordonator%20Sector%206.pdf)(PUZ)

I fail to see the Ciurel fly-over.

COTNARI

February 4th, 2008, 01:30 PM

IMO it will be just a bridge over Virtutii street + a long street.

Le Clerk

February 4th, 2008, 01:35 PM

IMO it will be just a bridge over Virtutii street + a long street.

Agreed. It'll probably leave from close to Sema Parc and go all the way over Ciurel to the highway. Something like this:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9454/ciurelba6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

PS: it must be a long bridge over the lake - about 5-7 km. Awesome!

COTNARI

February 4th, 2008, 02:33 PM

Agreed. It'll probably leave from close to Sema Parc and go all the way over Ciurel to the highway. Something like this:

PS: it must be a long bridge over the lake - about 5-7 km. Awesome!

:ohno:

If you check a satellite map (e.g.yahoo (http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=h&lat=44.446456&lon=26.029205&mag=2)) you will see that there is enough space to build it on land (no bridge over the lake needed)

nebunul

February 4th, 2008, 02:40 PM

^^ One explanation: maybe there is (I think so) an approved PUZ for high rises in that area … so the flyover would not be possible on land …

COTNARI

February 4th, 2008, 02:58 PM

^^ One explanation: maybe there is (I think so) an approved PUZ for high rises in that area … so the flyover would not be possible on land …

yes, there is a PUZ (http://www4.pmb.ro/wwwt/urbanism/Sector_6_07/PUZ%20coordonator%20Sector%206.pdf) , and high rises(the white rhombi/ some with no limit in height :nuts:). But I think the plans are quite clear. Do you know smtg else?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2116/2241227603_0d17eeb516_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2353/2241227599_bd9c63e025_b.jpg

Sbz2ifc

February 4th, 2008, 03:06 PM

Finally, the city has come to the conclusion that Bucharest needs suspended roads to ease the traffic. A delayed solution, yet it's good that it was finaly made!!! Let's see now whether the deadlines are for real. :cheers:

Elevated roads are ok only if they keep them as far away from the center of the city as possible (as close to the ring road - to go over it, or better yet, they should just elevate the whole ring road). Otherwise they will completely ruin the city.

These will only give people the false impression that traffic will get better, and more and more people will keep buying cars, and shortly after the elevated roads are built, things will be just as bad... only we'll also have some ugly elevated roads packed with cars.

nebunul

February 4th, 2008, 04:44 PM

Puz sector 2 (http://www.ps2.ro/Pagini/DespreNoi/informatii/PUZ_S2/PUZ_S2.jpg.jpg) :cheers:

Cosmin

February 16th, 2008, 12:04 PM

Drumul Taberei - Universitate metro line to cost 408.53 million EUR

The M5 metro line, that will link Western neighborhoods of Drumul Taberei and Ghencea to Universitate (already served by the M2 line) in the center of Bucharest, will cost 408.53 mil. EUR and should be ready in 6 years. Construction works are due to begin in 2008. The line will have 13 stations and a length of about 9 km.

Metroul Drumul Taberei - Universitate va costa in jur de 408,53 milioane euro

Lucrările la tronsonul de metrou Drumul Taberei - Universitate vor dura şase ani şi ar putea începe în 2008. Proiectul este estimat la 408,53 de milioane de euro.

Tronsonul de metrou Drumul Taberei - Universitate va fi gata în 72 de luni, Ministerul Transporturilor aşteptând, în prezent, avizul de la Finanţe pentru a semna memorandumul pentru a obţine finanţarea de la Banca Europeană de Investiţii (BEI), a anunţat, miercuri, ministrul Ludovic Orban.

"Există un memorandum negociat cu BEI şi aşteptăm avizul de la Ministerul de Finanţe pentru a primi cofinanţarea, existând, la ora actuală, studiul de fezabilitate. Din punctul meu de vedere ar trebui să existe o licitaţie internaţională pentru alegerea constructorului", a precizat Orban.

Tronsonul Drumul Taberei - Universitate va face legătura între cartierele din Vestul Capitalei, respectiv Drumul Taberei şi Ghencea şi centrul oraşului.Tronsonul va intersecta reţeua existentă de metrou de la Eroilor şi de la Universitate. Tronsonul va avea 13 staţii şi o lungime de aproximativ nouă kilometri, valoarea estimată a proiectului fiind de 408,53 de milioane de euro.Astfel, pentru pregătirea documentaţiei şi a procedurii pentru licitaţie pregătirea va dura 12 luni, iar execuţia va dura 72 de luni.

Ludovic Orban a mai spus, de asemenea, că intenţionează să se întâlnească şi cu primarul general al Capitalei, Adriean Videanu, pentru a discuta problema acestui tronson.
SOURCE: MoneyLine (http://www.moneyline.ro/articol_185/metroul_drumul_taberei___universitate_va_costa_in_jur_de_408_53_milioane_euro.html)
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/381/800pxbucharestmetrolineda2.png

nebunul

February 22nd, 2008, 01:00 PM

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3467/mmzl3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

existing
U/C
preparation
proposed

Cosmin

February 25th, 2008, 03:37 PM

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4855/180pxmetrorexsiglasvgxr7.pngShort term perspectives for Bucharest Metro

Today
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7526/08sq5.jpg

2008
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4018/2008tm7.jpg

2010
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3269/2010yd8.jpg

I'll not post the images for the future extension of M3, M4 and building of M5, M6 and M7 because Metrorex is very ambiguous about them, especially M6 and M7.:cheers:

Le Clerk

February 25th, 2008, 03:42 PM

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4855/180pxmetrorexsiglasvgxr7.pngShort term perspectives for Bucharest Metro

Do you happpen to know where the stations for the Drumul Taberei-Universitate line are going to be? Thanks. :cheers:

Cosmin

February 25th, 2008, 03:48 PM

Ok, here you go... this is how the lines could look like in 2014. M7 line towards the airports is not there because there are 3 different routes that I know of (starting at Victoriei, Aurel Vlaicu or Gara de Nord).:nuts:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/381/800pxbucharestmetrolineda2.png
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3134/m5ml6.jpg

Le Clerk

February 25th, 2008, 03:54 PM

OK, thanks. :cheers:

Cosmin

March 28th, 2008, 04:28 PM

Long-term Perspectives for the Bucharest Metro
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5865/liniiviitoareog3.png

The following is a compilation of current and future Metrorex (Bucharest Metro operator) projects taken from their website or from various newspaper articles.

Current projects
• Nicolae Grigorescu - Linia de Centura branch of M3 (4.8 km and 4 stations) - due September 1 2008
• 1 Mai - Laromet extension of M4 (3.1 km and 3 stations) - due 2010
• acquisition of 6 new Bombardier Movia train sets - ongoing
• upgrading of electrical equipment on lines 1 & 3
• upgrading of the informatic system

Future projects
• M5 line (Ghencea - Pantelimon) having two stages:
Stage I, between Ghencea and Universitate (9.8 km and 14 stations) - due 2014
Stage II, between Universitate and Pantelimon, with a brach to Gara Obor (8 km and 12 stations)• M6 line to Aurel Vlaicu and Henri Coandă aiports in the North. The line would branch off M4 from 1 Mai station or M2 from either Piaţa Victoriei or Aurel Vlaicu stations (14 km and 14 stations) - due 2014
• Acquiring 37 train sets for the first segment of M5
• M7 line (Rahova – Colentina)
• M8 Southern Circle Line
• M4 Southern extension from Gara de Nord to Gara Progresul
• Building up to 23 new stations on existing lines in order to reduce the distance between stations, currently at 1.25 km on average
• Modernizing existing metro stations by building public toilets, improving static and dynamic means of information for the public and refurbishing the stations themselves
• Modernizing ventilation, sanitary, fire fighting and communication systems; upgrading train tracks

Projected development
Today: 4 lines, 46 stations and 64.4 km
September 2008: 4 lines, 50 stations and 67.2 km
2010: 4 lines, 53 stations and 70.3 km
2014: 6 lines, 81 stations and 94.1 km

Comparison to other systems in the region
Vienna: 5 lines, 90 stations, 65.6 km
Prague: 3 lines, 54 stations, 54.7 km
Athens: 3 lines, 52 stations, 72.2 km
Kiev: 3 lines, 45 stations, 58.8 km
Budapest: 3 lines, 40 stations, 31.7 km
Sofia: 1 line, 8 stations, 10 km
Istanbul: 1 line, 6 stations, 8.5 km

nebunul

March 28th, 2008, 04:38 PM

^^ You said you’re going to get it done. Cheers mate! Efforts most appreciated! :cheers:

Cosmin

March 28th, 2008, 04:47 PM

Get done what? Oh, the little project I was talking about? No, that's due July-August, as I'm waiting to see what they do with the extension to Linia de Centura. You know... see how will trains run on M1/M3... cause they'll probably run from Industriilor to Linia de Centura, thus in parallel with M1 trains from Pantelimon to Dristor 2. I also want to see if they really have a chance to finish it by September (and I think they have).

This was just a small recap. No pictures and maps for the time being.:cheers:

Klausenburg

March 28th, 2008, 04:57 PM

And Colentina? It is planed something for Colentina? I'm not living there so probably I missed something...

Cosmin

March 28th, 2008, 05:04 PM

And Colentina? It is planed something for Colentina? I'm not living there so probably I missed something...
Yes you did...:D
• Acquiring 37 train sets for the first segment of M5
• M7 line (Rahova – Colentina)
• M8 Southern Circle Line
Sneak peak of the future...:D
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1241/features090641ov1.jpg

Klausenburg

March 28th, 2008, 05:27 PM

Yes you did...:D

Sneak peak of the future...:D
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1241/features090641ov1.jpg

Oh sorry....i'm tired today...

Cosmin

March 28th, 2008, 05:32 PM

^^No problem.:cheers: Bonus pictures...:D

Inside the depot
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9425/bombardierdepou3205xn5.jpg

Inside a Movia
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8420/pb300061jc3.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/689/bord431am4.jpg

nebunul

March 28th, 2008, 05:41 PM

^^ I like the names: Bruxelles & Budapesta:):cheers:. BTW do you know how many of those beauties :banana: RATB has in total - existing and to be delivered?

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2613/zaxzu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

edit: 20existing +6 to be delivered ?

edit edit: :lol: 41 existing?

Cosmin

March 28th, 2008, 05:58 PM

RATB? You mean Metrorex.:)
The new trainsets (Bombardier-made) were given a distinct name (alongside a number) for identification. The names used on M2 are flower names whereas for M1/M3 EU member states' capital city names were chosen. The numbers are four figures long and seem to follow this format:

* First figure: 1 or 2; one half (end) of the train gets 1, the other gets 2. This has nothing to do with the direction of travel: some trains are moving in the "1" direction, while others travel in reverse.
* Second figure: 0 or 1; 0 means "M2" (or first batch of trains from Bombardier) while 1 means "M1/M3" (or the second one).
* Third and fourth figure: serial number of train, increases for each new trainset.
They now have 42. As of March 21 Riga is in service, so only two of this last order remain to be delivered, probably in the next two months at most.

1001/2001 Dalia (the Dahlia)
1002/2002 Narcisa (the Daffodil)
1003/2003 Camelia (the Camellia)
1004/2004 Zambila (the Hyacinth)
1005/2005 Violeta (the Violet)
1006/2006 Margareta (the Oxeye daisy)
1007/2007 Bujorul (the Peony)
1008/2008 Crizantema (the Chrysanthemum indicum)
1009/2009 Craiţa (the Marigold)
1010/2010 Crinul (the Madonna lily)
1011/2011 Iasomia (the Jasmine)
1012/2012 Frezia (the Freesia)
1013/2013 Irisul (the German iris)
1014/2014 Nufărul (the Water lily)
1015/2015 Nalba (the Marshmallow)
1016/2016 Magnolia (the Magnolia)
1017/2017 Liliacul (the Lilac)
1018/2018 Gladiola (the Gladiolus)
1101/2101 Europa (Europe)
1102/2102 Bucureşti (Bucharest)
1103/2103 Stockholm
1104/2104 Berlin
1105/2105 Londra (London)
1106/2106 Paris
1107/2107 Roma (Rome)
1108/2108 Madrid
1109/2109 Luxembourg
1110/2110 Bruxelles
1111/2111 Viena (Vienna)
1112/2112 Atena (Athens)
1113/2113 Copenhaga (Copenhagen)
1114/2114 Budapesta (Budapest)
1115/2115 Praga (Prague)
1116/2116 Varşovia (Warsaw)
1117/2117 Haga (The Hague)
1118/2118 Helsinki
1119/2119 Lisabona (Lisbon)
1120/2120 Bratislava
1121/2121 Dublin
1122/2122 Nicosia
1123/2123 Tallinn
1124/2124 Riga
1125/2125 Vilnius
1126/2126 Sofia

nebunul

March 28th, 2008, 06:04 PM

^^ :doh: :lol: Metrorex ... 42 ?!:applause:

44. 1126/2126 Sofia - last but not least :):cheers:

Sbz2ifc

March 29th, 2008, 01:07 AM

I hope they're not going to forget about Valletta and Ljubljana.

I think I saw Riga the other day. They were still testing it.

nebunul

March 29th, 2008, 01:11 PM

^^ That means 42+2?!

Cosmin

March 29th, 2008, 01:24 PM

If you're referring to Valletta and Ljubljana, no. I doubt they'll order two extra train sets just for the sake of geography. They'll probably place another order to replace the existing IVAs still in operation on M1, M3 and M4. If not, then there will be no new order until Stage I of M5 is finished. I doubt Metrorex will continue with capital cities' names though...

Next batch should be named after Romanian SSC forumers!:D 1201/2201 Nebunul:lol:

nebunul

March 29th, 2008, 01:47 PM

^^ I did not see any :nuts::lol::) on Sbz2ifc's post ... :lol

Sbz2ifc

March 29th, 2008, 06:35 PM

^^ What are you talking about?

My remark about Valletta and Ljubljana was not serious of course.

nebunul

March 29th, 2008, 06:40 PM

OfF course ...

emilianmg

March 31st, 2008, 01:32 PM

nebunul

March 31st, 2008, 01:36 PM

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/717/bmxt1.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucharest_Metro

emilianmg

March 31st, 2008, 01:48 PM

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/717/bmxt1.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucharest_Metro

I still can not see M7 and M8, maybe I am :nuts:

Cosmin

March 31st, 2008, 04:45 PM

emilianmg

March 31st, 2008, 06:56 PM

emilianmg, the only "map" I have is this one, made by me in Google Earth. It shows the most likely routes and colors for all these future lines that we've talked about. However, only one variant of M6 is shown (the one branching from 1 Mai), and also it was quite hard for me to accurately represent M8 as shown on that small map (from Şoavă's office); it just didn't fit the current infrastructure in that part of town... made no sense, so M8 is probably only 80% accurate.:cheers:
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2315/dfgfdfgdfjr1.jpg
*Just in case you're wondering... yes, M1/M3 designations and colors differ from map to map. Even in some stations these line are depicted in various ways, which adds to the confusion if you're not familiar with the system. The correct representations (i.e. line no. and colors) according to Metrorex (2008 version:lol:) is depicted above. After the extension to Linia de Centura is completed trains will be able to run from Industriilor to Linia de Centura (M3) having a common portion with M1 between Eroilor and Nicolae Grigorescu.;)

Thank you Cosmin! :) Your map is really good :cheers:
I found on the PMB site (http://www.pmb.ro/) also the real map
The MAP is a scan,the quality is very low... and is very big 9600x10000 pixels ...but it works http://www1.pmb.ro/pmb/primar/cpresa/2008/conferinte/2008_03_26/plan.png
if you open it with something good you can see in detail where the future metro will be. M6 , M7 ,M8 are there...and also the the stations ...
this is zoom to 7%
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4073/hartametrou2vc0.jpg

giovani kun

March 31st, 2008, 11:06 PM

^^ maybe in 10 -15 yars we'll have something like this :)

Cosmin

April 1st, 2008, 12:29 AM

^^10-15 years? Man, I sure hope they'll work that fast.:lol: But I hope things will change in Bucharest in the next few years... so I'll keep my fingers crossed.

emilianmg, that map is pure gold.:D The image may be poor, but the info is priceless. So we're starting to close in on how the metro system might look in the future. I'm glad there are only a few differences between my Google Earth map and this map. It seems M6 will either start from 1 Mai (on my map) or Victoriei (PMB map) and that it will be violet, not gray (bad choice since M7 will be pink it seems) and M8 will be more rounded:lol:... other than this it's all the same.

So now I have a map released by PMB for my little Wikipedia/SSC future metro project. Cheers, emilian!:cheers:

P.S.: I see lots of new stations, especially on M1 and M3.:D

emilianmg

April 1st, 2008, 09:54 AM

So now I have a map released by PMB for my little Wikipedia/SSC future metro project. Cheers, emilian!:cheers:

when you will finish this project ...maybe you will let us konw... :cheers2::grouphug:

Cosmin

April 1st, 2008, 12:22 PM

when you will finish this project ...maybe you will let us konw... :cheers2::grouphug:
So now I have a map released by PMB for my little Wikipedia/SSC future metro project.
You bet. But no earlier than June I think... lack of spare time.:cheers:

Cosmin

April 1st, 2008, 07:17 PM

Interesting... I tried to count the total number of stations as part of the M1-through-M8-what-if scenario.:lol: There are about 180-184 in total. I've counted transfer stations separately by the number of lines passing through them (i.g. counted Piata Victoriei (1,2 and 3) as 3 stations, not just one), but counted common M1/M3 stations such as Piata Unirii or Izvor as a single station.

~180 stations... that's pretty extensive.:eek: Just for comparison, Moscow metro now has 176 stations.

Also, in addition to the existing depots: Militari, Ciurel, IMGB and Pantelimon another 4 are indicated on the map (probably will be named Voluntari, Progresul, Alexandria and Valea Ialomitei). However, I think they'll also build a depot at the M6 terminus, Otopeni Depot.;)

I also noticed the M5 branch to Gara Obor (Gara de Est) is not on this map, which is probably a good idea and building it in the future, if really needed, will probably be a piece of cake.

I'm eagerly awaiting works to start on M5 and M6 lines so I can see this huge vision gradually becoming a reality. If they start works on both M5 and M6, we'll probably have the biggest city infrastructure project in Eastern Europe.:cheers:

Sbz2ifc

April 2nd, 2008, 12:13 AM

emilianmg

April 2nd, 2008, 10:27 AM

^^ The number of stations does seem a bit ridiculous. And especially the number of stations on some lines or sections of lines. I always thought that the stations on the present lines are too far apart, but these new stations seem to be a bit too close to each other (we'll see though).

It will take much more time to build it with so many stations, hopefully I'll live to see it. :) These stations should be well planned, I hope there won't be any stations without elevators and enough escalators.

By the way, they are also gonna add a station on M2, at Budapesta (a station that I always thought of, though I can't say I'd use it much). Unfortunately I see that they didn't consider extending the line from Pipera. At the rate the area is developing right now, it would be safe to extend M2 with 3-4 stations.
I observed also this strange repartition of the station on the new lines.

For example on M8 there is station under Vacaresti Lake :nuts: ?!It is true that today there is not so much water there but :ohno: .....is not such an attractive place to build a metro station....:bash:...who knows in the future what that place will be (park, lake, residential/business area...):cheers:

Sbz2ifc

April 2nd, 2008, 11:40 AM

^^ That is an obvious sign that somebody is planning the future development of the lake.

COTNARI

April 3rd, 2008, 12:05 AM

For Cosmin some more news (http://www.cotidianul.ro/metrou_in_drumul_taberei_si_pantelimon__peste_patru_ani-42496.html). cotidianul

Cosmin

April 3rd, 2008, 10:34 AM

^^Who understands them anymore?:ohno: They've said 6-7, now they say 4 years. At least they decrease the time, which is good.:lol: I hope they'll start working on M5 by the end of this year or at the start of 2009 so we can have the first section finished by 2013.

Anyway, it's great that the Ministry of Transportation agrees with both sections of M5. I guess by autumn we'll also find out what will happen with M6 (Otopeni). Hope is not all dust in the eyes because of the elections.:cheers:

ionutzyankoo

April 3rd, 2008, 11:24 AM

Guys this map is sci-fi. I'm an optimistic type of guy but I don't think i will live to see this. It is really A LOOOOT of work to be done. Si traim totusi in ro, nu uitati

Cosmin

April 3rd, 2008, 11:47 AM

Well, I have my serious doubts about this map, but let's take each line in part:
M1 - fully operational; further stations will be built between existing ones
M2 - fully operational; on further station planned (Budapesta)
M3 - partly operational; should become fully operational this September
M4 - 4 stations operational since 2000; first extension ready up to Parc Bazilescu in 2009 and to Laromet in 2010; second section (to Progresul) is planned, but no further info
M5 - construction of first section will probably begin this year or early 2009; second section approved and supported AFAIK
M6 - various routes exist; discussion between Min. of Transportation and PMB; will probably get built
M7 - planned, but no further info
M8 - planned, but no further info

So we're sure to have M1, M2, M3, 1/3 of M4 and M5. We only need 3 more to make that map a reality, which I'm sure will be more and more discussed after this year's M3 extension is finished.

IMO our jinx is also our luck - we have no other choice but to go underground. I know it sounds Sci-Fi... "Bucharest with 180 metro stations", but it is possible to have it before 2025.

Again, don't take M3 and M4 extensions as examples. Those we're abandoned for many years because of lack of funding, tunnels were flooded etc. These new lines have/will have funding secured, so I don't see why they shouldn't stick with the schedule (+1 year).:lol:

I don't think i will live to see this
How old are you?:lol: I'm almost 22 and I'll definitely live* to see this and more.:cheers:

*under normal usage:nuts:

ionutzyankoo

April 3rd, 2008, 12:09 PM

Well, I have my serious doubts about this map, but let's take each line in part:
M1 - fully operational; further stations will be built between existing ones
M2 - fully operational; on further station planned (Budapesta)
M3 - partly operational; should become fully operational this September
M4 - 4 stations operational since 2000; first extension ready up to Parc Bazilescu in 2009 and to Laromet in 2010; second section (to Progresul) is planned, but no further info
M5 - construction of first section will probably begin this year or early 2009; second section approved and supported AFAIK
M6 - various routes exist; discussion between Min. of Transportation and PMB; will probably get built
M7 - planned, but no further info
M8 - planned, but no further info

So we're sure to have M1, M2, M3, 1/3 of M4 and M5. We only need 3 more to make that map a reality, which I'm sure will be more and more discussed after this year's M3 extension is finished.

IMO our jinx is also our luck - we have no other choice but to go underground. I know it sounds Sci-Fi... "Bucharest with 180 metro stations", but it is possible to have it before 2025.

Again, don't take M3 and M4 extensions as examples. Those we're abandoned for many years because of lack of funding, tunnels were flooded etc. These new lines have/will have funding secured, so I don't see why they shouldn't stick with the schedule (+1 year).:lol:

How old are you?:lol: I'm almost 22 and I'll definitely live* to see this and more.:cheers:

*under normal usage:nuts:

ok, let's say the funding is assured, the contractors have employes willing to work BUT STILL these are all underground projects, who knows what is beneath the surface...the soil in bucharest isn't very stable... I hope for the best because we all know Subway in the only chance we've got to clear the mess on the roads in Bucharest.

P.S.:I'm almost 27 :dance:

Cosmin

April 3rd, 2008, 12:14 PM

ok, let's say the funding is assured, the contractors have employes willing to work BUT STILL these are all underground projects, who knows what is beneath the surface...the soil in bucharest isn't very stable.
They've already said works on M5, especially in the Hasdeu - Universitate area will be hard. Work on the M4 extension are hard too. And I imagine they'll face problems again on the Southern extension of M4 and on M7. So yes, there will be lots of problems and they know that. Still, nothing that can't be handled with modern technology.

Other cities did more with the same if not bigger problems decades ago.:cheers:

emilianmg

April 11th, 2008, 04:31 PM

small steps ....
METROREX VA DESCHIDE UN NOU ACCES PENTRU CĂLĂTORI ÎN STAŢIA PIPERA
http://www.antena3.ro/Metrorex-va-deschide-un-nou-acces-pentru-calatori-in-statia-Pipera_act_47832_ext.html
Noua intrare de care va beneficia staţia de metrou Pipera se va deschide sâmbătă şi va avea nouă validatoare de carduri şi cartele, a anunţat Ministerul Transporturilor. Deschiderea noului acces va asigura o fluenţă sporită a fluxurilor de călători. Operatorul sistemului de metrou din Capitală şi-a început activitatea în 1977. Peste 140 de milioane de pasageri folosesc anual metroul bucureştean.

Antena 3

Adăugat: 11 aprilie 2008

emilianmg

April 11th, 2008, 04:33 PM

double posting :(

Cosmin

April 11th, 2008, 04:42 PM

^^Very small steps.:) It's better than nothing but I wanna see those huge projects we've talked about being started already. At least it's good Obor station is closed and will probably be refurbished in addition to having direct access to the tram line.:D

What I don't understand is what the hell takes so long to completely scrap the current tickets and fully implement Activ (RFID contacless card).

nebunul

April 11th, 2008, 06:48 PM

^^ Basarab should:nuts: get some "refurb" together with the addition/connection of tram stops with escalators/passengers lifts as part of Basarab Overpass ... I hope ... see page 8, 9 and 10
http://www1.pmb.ro/pmb/primar/proiecte/Pasaj_Basarab/pasaj.pdf

Cosmin

April 11th, 2008, 07:49 PM

^^Yes, it should. I'm curios if while upgrading the tram tracks on Stefan cel Mare they'll also turn those lines to light rail (like line 41) by separating the tracks from the car traffic. I doubt they'll directly connect all metro station along the boulevard with the tram/light rail.

For example, in Paris, T1, T2 and T3 light rail lines are connected along the way with metro lines 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12 and 13, as well as with RER lines B, C, D and E.

nebunul

April 11th, 2008, 08:31 PM

CrazySerb

April 11th, 2008, 08:35 PM

I laugh when I look at the title - I guess, when I first started this thread, "one billion" seemed like a LOT of money:lol:

Today, its not even enough to build five stations of metro.

Cosmin

April 11th, 2008, 08:41 PM

^^You were Islom?:lol: I laugh because when you started this thread the M5 line was only a distant dream, and now it's closer to becoming reality and I hope works will start in early 2009 at the latest, and because I didn't even knew about M6, M7 and M8. I keep my fingers crossed for the future.:cheers:

nebunul

April 11th, 2008, 08:45 PM

:) Also ...

June 11th, 2006, 01:55 PM, They should buy some new underground trains. Ones that don't have "Сделано в СССР" written on them :lol:

^^ 44 Bombardier ... is it good enough ?! :lol::cheers:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2613/zaxzu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cosmin

April 11th, 2008, 08:58 PM

^^Not that the old ones were built in USSR anyway. The old IVA trains were made in Romania, and some are still running.:lol:

nebunul

April 20th, 2008, 11:26 AM

"cool" (flickr)

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4825/b1mx1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3479/b2tm6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cosmin

April 20th, 2008, 12:12 PM

^^Bombardier Movia on M1 line.:cheers:
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9614/2426917234828a58a77ebqh6.jpg

ionutzyankoo

April 20th, 2008, 01:52 PM

Cosmin sau ceilalti baieti, saptamana trecuta parca a avut Videanu lansarea unui mare master plan pt. bucuresti, stiti cumva detalii?

Cosmin

April 20th, 2008, 02:43 PM

Sorry, man... I forgot to post this..:(
Consiliul general a aprobat master-planul lui Videanu

Studiul arată ce investiţii trebuie să facă municipalitatea în următorii 20 de ani pentru ca Bucureştiul să nu se blocheze

Chiar dacă Primăria va realiza toate proiectele prevăzute de master-plan, timpul de stat în trafic tot va creşte cu 20 la sută
Consilierii generali au aprobat, ieri, Master planul de transport al Bucureştiului, un studiu care explică ce investiţii trebuie să facă municipalitatea, în următorii 20 de ani, pentru ca oraşul să nu se sufoce. Studiul, care a costat 1,5 milioane de euro, prevede închiderea inelului interior de circulaţie, care se va realiza în anul 2009, odată cu darea în folosinţă a Pasajului Basarab, dar şi o taxă de acces în centrul oraşului.

De asemenea, sunt prevăzute modernizarea Pasajului Piaţa Muncii, reconfigurarea Pieţei Victoriei şi a pasajului cu acelaşi nume, realizarea unei străpungeri între Şos. Progresului şi Şos. Viilor şi realizarea a trei pasaje subterane - unul la intersecţia Şos. Iancului cu Şos. Mihai Bravu, al doilea pe traseul Grozăveşti- Răzoare - Calea Rahovei şi al treilea la Piaţa Sudului, precum şi construirea unui pasaj suprateran între Splaiul Unirii şi Şoseaua Mihai Bravu. Studiul prevede şi închiderea inelului exterior de circulaţie, prin construirea unei legături între Splaiul Dudescu şi Şoseaua Olteniţei, şi crearea unei străpungeri între strada Braşov şi Şoseaua Alexandriei.

Un loc important în master-plan îl ocupă şi lărgirea traseului Buzeşti - Berzei - Vasile Pârvan - Hasdeu, a Şoselei de centură la patru benzi, străpungerea Doamna Ghica - bd. Chişinău şi proiectele de infrastructură care vor lega oraşul de autostrăzile şi drumurile naţionale.

69 de parcaje subterane şi linii de metrou
Studiul revine şi asupra parcărilor subterane. Astfel, ar trebui realizate 69 de parcaje subterane şi supraterane şi parcări de suprafaţă în apropierea gurilor de metrou de la marginea oraşului, ca persoanele care locuiesc în afara Capitalei să combine mijloacele de transport. Un alt punct important pentru îmbunătăţirea condiţiilor de trafic în oraş este finalizarea proiectului de Managementul traficului şi dezvoltarea transportului în comun cu metroul. Asta presupune extinderea liniilor existente şi crearea a şase linii noi de metrou: Piaţa Victoriei- Otopeni, Drumul Taberei – Universitate – Pantelimon, Drumul Taberei – Piaţa Unirii – Pantelimon, Şoseaua Alexandriei – Colentina, Crângaşi – Dristor, Industriilor – Carrefour Militari.

În plus, se mai propune crearea a şase linii noi de tramvai şi a încă trei de troleibuz. Culmea este că, chiar dacă municipalitatea va realiza toate proiectele prevăzute în master-plan, iar bucureştenii vor plăti pentru acestea circa 3,5 miliarde de euro, timpul de stat în trafic tot va creşte, cu 20 la sută. Dacă municipalitatea nu va realiza nici unul dintre aceste proiecte, în perioada 2007-2013, timpul petrecut în trafic va creşte cu 43 la sută.
Gândul (http://www.gandul.info/actualitatea/consiliul-general-a-aprobat-master-planul-lui-videanu-video.html?3927;2555558)

English brief - the master plan for Bucharest was approved
Objectives for the next 20 years

completing the inner road ring in 2009 by opening the Basarab overpass
introducing a congestion charge
modernizing of Piaţa Muncii underpass
reconfiguring Piaţa Victoriei and its underpass
constructing a new road between existing Progresului and Viilor roads
constructing 3 new underpasses and one overpass
completing the outer road ring by connecting Splaiul Unirii with Olteniţei Road and Braşov Street with Alexandria Road
widening of Buzeşti - Berzei - Vasile Pârvan - Hasdeu Streets
widening the current beltway to 4 lanes (2x2)
connecting Doamna Ghica to Chişinău Boulevard
constructing roads and urban expressways to link the city to the adjacent motorways and national roads
constructing of 69 overground and underground parkings as well as park&rides near the metro station on the city's edge
fully implementing the traffic management program
10 projects regarding the metro system: 4-5 new lines, construction of new stations on existing lines, refurbishing existing stations
constructing 6 new tram lines
constructing trolleybus lines

... and many more projects as I can tell you this is just part of the master plan.;)

The full master plan (RO only) can be found here (http://www4.pmb.ro/wwwt/l52/docs/31_01_2008.pdf)!

Cosmin

April 20th, 2008, 05:10 PM

Passageway between Nicolae Grigorescu 1 and Nicolae Grigorescu 2 stations on the M3 extension towards Linia de Centură - almost done!:D
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2222/pasajnicolaegrigorescu2lm1.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7902/pasajnicolaegrigorescu2xy4.jpg

Recently modernized Pipera station on M2
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3518/piperamodernizata2oh5.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4659/piperamodernizata1nb3.jpg

pescarush

April 20th, 2008, 06:39 PM

the future is green!
shouldn t be pink?:nuts::lol:

Cosmin

April 20th, 2008, 07:31 PM

I'm not happy with that color. Plus, the materials and those lighting bodies look very cheap.:ohno: Fuckin' morons been "building" this extension since the late '80 - early '90s.:bash: I hope that at least the M4 extension due for completion in 2010 will look a bit better and if the future M5, that I hope they'll start building this year, will not look GOOD I'll burn down city hall!:rant:

...but I kinda like what they've done with Pipera. It looks a bit better than it did before.:D

pescarush

April 20th, 2008, 07:45 PM

don t know about colours, Cosmin, i was just joking.
i think these public underground spaces should look friendly, piecefully, despite the fact that they are placed below 10-12 meters. i think this should help people when they are coming from work late on and they are sad or tired or whatever.
i just liked the subway in Budapest. simple and clean, friendly.

Cosmin

April 20th, 2008, 07:59 PM

Verdele ala mi se pare o alegere cam nefericita...

COTNARI

April 20th, 2008, 11:11 PM

Verdele ala pare a fi foarte la moda acum(pescarus?!). Si cladirea mea are holurile colorate in acelasi superb verde fosforescent:ohno:. Oricat de obositor e ziua iti da senzatia de spatiu, mai ales cand ai lumina putina si iluminare desteapta(noaptea e chiar cool).

Pe mine ma enerveaza neoanele alea cu gratii. Pot doar sa sper ca nu e gata treaba. :nuts:

tomis3

April 21st, 2008, 12:10 AM

E usor hidoasa statia asta sau ce-o fi. Chiar nu exista nici un homosexual in Bucuresti?

Cosmin

April 21st, 2008, 12:38 AM

Te referi la Pipera sau la Nicolae Grigorescu 2, cea in executie?

tomis3

April 21st, 2008, 12:43 AM

Te referi la Pipera sau la Nicolae Grigorescu 2, cea in executie?

Grigorescu...verdele ala ma lasa rece si totul arata foarte ieftin si kitschos.

Cosmin

April 21st, 2008, 12:49 AM

Si sa vezi ca si extensia M4 spre Laromet va fi la fel. E exact acelasi stil de dupa '90, cel care se vede cel mai bine pe M4. Fara pic de personalitate, rece si kitschos.:ohno:

mitsurughi

April 21st, 2008, 06:21 AM

verdele nu e prea kitschos numai ca nu e pus in valoare cum trebuie, daca erau si ei mai generosi in privinta bugetului pentru "feelingul" arhitectural poate se gandeau putin la indicatoare si iluminat ,apoi pe pariu ca vazut in contextul mai devreme mentionat nu mai aveati de comentat despre culoare. Acum este urat, dovada ca metrorexul nu se respecta si nici nu respecta cetateanul. De indata ce ai profit oricum, de ce sa mai bagi bani in plus? ce naiba.

Cosmin

April 21st, 2008, 10:02 AM

More pics of the recently (half) refurbished Pipera station
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7996/intrareanounstaiapiperalm9.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8797/intrareanounstaiapiperaby3.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/961/intrareanounstaiapiperalo4.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5287/intrareanouvzutdininterwn6.jpg

1 Decembrie 1918 station on the M3 extension; should be finished in Sept. 2008
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/85/statiemetrou1decembriexb2.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2260/1decembrie8157ao1.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6987/1decembrie3387he3.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/989/1decembrie4791vg4.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8459/1decembrie6144ia5.jpg

1 Decembrie looks ok I think.:cheers:

nebunul

April 21st, 2008, 10:30 AM

Design '80:bash:. Nu cred ca au mai schimbat proiectul. Daca ne uitam la vecinii din CE ... ne dau clasa; chiar si cei la sud de noi ... acu' macar sa se extinda cit mai repede ca este absolut necesar ...

Cosmin

April 21st, 2008, 10:38 AM

Am vrut sa zic ca arata ok pentru un proiect care a intepenit in anii '80, evident. Da, din cate stiu n-au mai umblat la design. Metrorexul are un mare sictir cand vine vorba de cele doua extensii pentru ca ei le construiesc doar ca sa nu le abandoneze. Sunt extensii proiectate si incepute inainte de Revolutie si care erau gandite pentru zonele industriale care acum au cam disparut, insa eu zic ca sunt bine venite.

Citeam si ieri pe doua forumuri romanesti despre transportul in comun... sunt oameni care cred ca statiile de pe magistralele viitoare vor fi prea dese. Unul spunea ca "asta nu mai e metrou, e tramvai subteran".:lol: Altii zic ca nu trebuie construite statii noi pe magistralele existente. Oare pe ce lume traiesc oamenii astia? Au iesit vreodata mai departe de Budapesta?:)

Fallen

April 21st, 2008, 12:38 PM

Imi pare rau ca primul meu post trebuie sa fie unul care critica, dar ultimele poze postate de voi, cele cu statia 10 Decembrie si cu "renovarile" de la intrarea in statia Pipera sunt cel putin ... nearatoase :( Design invechit. Eh, poate le-au facut asa ca sa fie in concordanta cu celelalte statii de pe liniile respective :)

Sa speram ca M5,M6,M7 si M8 (daca vor fi realizate) sa arate mai bine. Metroul din Varsovia arata foarte bine (statiile noi), dar nici nu visez la asa ceva in Bucuresti. Macar pe jumate cat alea sa fie si o sa fie perfect :D

Cosmin

April 21st, 2008, 12:55 PM

Bine ai venit, Fallen!:cheers:

Asta ziceam si noi, ca e invechit design-ul, pentru ca statiile au fost proiectate inainte de Revolutie si cam tot de atunci sunt in "lucru". Insa Pipera e decenta daca e sa o raportam la alte statii de la noi.

Metroul din Varsovia arata bine, e foarte nou, insa e momentan foarte mic. Prefer un sistem mai extins, chiar daca arata mai nasol. Nici in Paris (excpetie linia 14), Londra (exceptie Jubilee Line) sau New York statiile nu sunt extraordinare, ba in Paris chiar put. Insa as da metroul din Bucuresti pe oricare din astea trei oricand. Sa fie sistemul extins si eficient. Asta e prioritatea!

Si apropo, cu exceptia M1, metroul din Budapesta e construit in acelasi stil cu al nostru, insa ei s-au apucat sa-l renoveze si modernizeze si M2 arata f. bine acum; statiile sunt simple, dar au un aspect placut. Asta e solutia si la noi, concomitent cu realizarea unui design modern pentru magistralele care se vor construi de acum inainte.

Din pacate am inteles ca statia Obor va fi doar un pic spoita, nu va fi modernizata cat este inchisa, ceea ce e o mare dezamagire pentru mine.:(

Fallen

April 21st, 2008, 01:34 PM

Am folosit metroul din Paris chiar acum cateva luni si statiile mi s-au parut mult mai murdare si inghesuite ca la noi. Trenurile erau oribile. Dar lasand asta la o parte, sistemul era foarte eficient: statiile dese; trenuri foarte invechite, care aveai impresia ca se dezmembreaza, dar care soseau din 2 in 2 minute (maxim) destul de goale ... doar cele care plecau din gari erau pline; Acoperire foarte buna a orasului. Multe guri de metrou de la ei seamana cu cele ale noastre neacoperite de la piata Victoriei, doar ca sunt mai inguste nitel, si fara scari rulante...

Ce nu mi-a placut e ca intre statii trenul mergea aprox 30-35 secunde (cronometrat). Ceea ce mi se pare un pic prea scurt ... pe la 1 minut ar fi fost ok. Din ce am cronometrat la noi, media e vreo 2:30, un pic cam mult. Ar fi bune statiile suplimentare macar intre Romana si Universitate si o statie la Dorobanti (care am inteles ca sunt in plan)

Ce m-a surprins la noi e ca au inceput sa introduca automate cu dulciuri/suc in statiile de metrou. Astea erau necesare si cam lipseau pana acu ... (si nu ma refer aici la alea vechi, antice si de demult de la Coca Cola, care nu-ti afiseaza nici macar cat costa o sticla de suc) ci la unele moderne si clare. Bravo pentru asta :cheers:

Cosmin

April 21st, 2008, 01:43 PM

In Paris, distanta medie intre statii la nivelul intregului sistem este de 590 m; distanta medie cea mai mare este de 1.129 m (linia 14), iar cea mai mica este de 424 m (linia 4). La RER e mai mare, insa in general mai mica decat la noi. La noi, distanta medie intre statii e de 1.200-1.500 m, nu mai stiu exact. Mult prea mare.

Prefer sistemele de genul celui din Paris, cu opriri f. dese... nu inteleg de ce sunt atatia impotriva lor... metroul e viitorul, mai ales intr-un oras care nu are bulevardele Parisului.

In Paris, pe unele linii, la orele de varf (ex: linia 1) trenurile se succed si la intervale mai mici de 90 de sec. Chiar si pe RER se intampla la fel. La orele de varf, multe linii de metrou si RER sunt suprasolicitate. La noi e bataie de joc, nu de putine ori la 7:30 am asteptat si 10-15 min in statia Victoriei 2.;)

Hey, we all forgot to write in English!:bash: Back to English, people!

Fallen

April 21st, 2008, 01:53 PM

Oh, i saw that most of the posts are in romanian so i posted accordingly :)
Anyway, i am a bit against very frequent stations. Let's say that if we had one new station between each pair of stations on M2, i would have to pass 16 stations to get from Aviatorilor to Piata Sudului every day :( And this would increase the time a LOT ... so i think that the lines are ok as they are now; Only the Center would need more frequent stations, especially if it will be refurbished anytime soon!

Cosmin

April 21st, 2008, 02:09 PM

I wasn't specifically referring to you, as we all started posting in Romanian.:lol:

Yeah, there are two "schools" so to say... either have few stations with great distances in between, like we do, or many stations with very small distances in between, like in Paris. I personally don't think we can bet on overground means of transportation very much, so we have to go underground. Many times I've found myself walking from Ştefan cel Mare when I could've very easily get off at the next station, only that that next station didn't exist.;)

If we decrease the time between trains, it would take less time for the passengers to get onboard the train, so the train would spend less time in that station, somewhat compensating for the increase in number of station. Speed would most likely not be a problem, since the train could accelerate even in such a short distance.

I noticed that although there were more station, thus more stops and the speed was lower, I could navigate Paris more easily and faster with the metro than I can navigate Bucharest with the metro. So believe it or not, the downside of having so many stations is not that big.:cheers:

Fallen

April 21st, 2008, 04:11 PM

Yep, i'll have to agree with you here. But more stations + more trains (to make them arrive at a low intervals) means more money :( And i doubt Metrorex is willing/will be willing to massively invest in a short period of time lots of money.

It would be nice though...

Cosmin

April 21st, 2008, 04:50 PM

I wasn't talking about what Metrorex might wanna do, I was talking about what Metrorex should do. If we (they) don't change their mentality and really start working and investing money the city is going to hell. Going underground is the future - underpasses, metro, parkings, NetCity, regional express trains (TER) and even urban expressways and motorways. We either wake up for good or don't wake up at all. And to be honest I'm waiting for this change of mentality to occur by 2010, even though I know chances are not in my favor.:lol:

Also, on the mid and long term, funding in unlikely to be a problem, and in any event (except a global long term depression) it will be much easier to assure funding than it was in the '90 and early 2000s.

Speaking of projects, one that I've been waiting for for several years now is the one regarding joining RATB and Metrorex intro Bucharest Metropolitan Transport Authority (BMTA). BMTA has the potential to change the face of public transport in Bucharest and the future Bucharest Metropolitan Area... maybe this year they'll really establish this BMTA, cause I'm getting sick of all this waiting.:rant:

Btw, here a map from a 1990 newspaper article and depicts the plans for future lines. You can see M5 is an old wet dream.:lol: Hopefully this year or in Q1 2009 it will turn reality.:cheers: Also the current plans for the M4 southern extension as well as for M7 and M8 remained pretty much the same.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4432/metrouproiecte884qy8.jpg

Fallen

April 21st, 2008, 05:15 PM

Yep the BMTA would be the best thing that could happen now. I've been reading about it for a while, and i don't really know why it wasn't implemented already... i think the head guys from Metrorex are trying to hold their positions at any costs, delaying the BMTA project :|

Cosmin

April 21st, 2008, 05:29 PM

Well, one big issue is that Metrorex is now under Ministry of Transport control, while RATB is under city hall control and BMTA needs to take both Metrorex and RATB under its jurisdiction, which doesn't really please MoT and dear Mr. Orban.:)

Another big issue is that they are a bunch of idiots, of course.;)

High Mileager

April 22nd, 2008, 11:04 AM

Hi all..This my first post on this thread.

Just want it to say that Bucharest subway can easily compete with London and NYC underground when it comes to design, station size and even cleanliness..although that can be improved in Bucharest too..

While in waiting on the platform in NYC you can watch the rats running around..

In London underground I almost cannot stand as I'm a tall guy (1.89m)..and they are so narrow..when it comes to design nothing noticeable really ! It's all about functionality..

Otherwise, both networks are well developed ..as this was probably the main priority when they were built ..to cover as many areas as possible.

Cosmin

April 22nd, 2008, 11:57 AM

As I said, I'll take an extensive and efficient but boring and smelly network over a beautiful, clean but smaller one any day.:) The systems you've mentioned may be smelly, dirty and boring (you can add Paris on the list) but are very good and fascinate me.

Btw, London Underground is made for people like me... I'm 1.73.:lol:

nebunul

April 22nd, 2008, 03:05 PM

Don't you dare and have a go on TFL :lol: I'm 1.89 also and I can stand up :cheers:
I believe you are referring to the trains that have curved sides … and in deed, some of the tunnels - remember though that loads of them were dug up through/under hundreds of years old (existing) buildings ...

Honestly, let's not get carried away and compare Metroul with the Tube ... noi construim in 2008 ce au constuit astia in 1920 sau mai devreme ...

Just a reminder ... Canary Wharf :)
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2797/cwqp2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5638/cw1uh4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1451/cw2fv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

BTW http://london-underground.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_london-underground_archive.html

High Mileager welcome anyway! :cheers:

Le Clerk

April 22nd, 2008, 03:09 PM

More pics of the recently (half) refurbished Pipera station

1 Decembrie 1918 station on the M3 extension; should be finished in Sept. 2008
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/85/statiemetrou1decembriexb2.jpg

I like the new Bombardier train. :nuts::lol:

pescarush

April 22nd, 2008, 03:13 PM

Just a reminder ... Canary Wharf :)
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2797/cwqp2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5638/cw1uh4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1451/cw2fv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Norman Foster, huh?

nebunul

April 22nd, 2008, 03:18 PM

^^ :cheers:

Cosmin

April 22nd, 2008, 03:37 PM

But Canary Warf is on Jubilee Line.;) Of course it looks kickass. The rest of the lines are pretty dull AFAIK. So the man has a point about The Tube being somewhat dirty and dull. Not that I care about that - London Underground and the whole TfL simply fascinate me.:cheers:

Le Clerk, that's an Alstom. You know nothing.:ohno:

Cosmin

April 23rd, 2008, 06:14 PM

RATB? You mean Metrorex.:)

They now have 42. As of March 21 Riga is in service, so only two of this last order remain to be delivered, probably in the next two months at most.
1001/2001 Dalia (the Dahlia)
1002/2002 Narcisa (the Daffodil)
1003/2003 Camelia (the Camellia)
1004/2004 Zambila (the Hyacinth)
1005/2005 Violeta (the Violet)
1006/2006 Margareta (the Oxeye daisy)
1007/2007 Bujorul (the Peony)
1008/2008 Crizantema (the Chrysanthemum indicum)
1009/2009 Craiţa (the Marigold)
1010/2010 Crinul (the Madonna lily)
1011/2011 Iasomia (the Jasmine)
1012/2012 Frezia (the Freesia)
1013/2013 Irisul (the German iris)
1014/2014 Nufărul (the Water lily)
1015/2015 Nalba (the Marshmallow)
1016/2016 Magnolia (the Magnolia)
1017/2017 Liliacul (the Lilac)
1018/2018 Gladiola (the Gladiolus)
1101/2101 Europa (Europe)
1102/2102 Bucureşti (Bucharest)
1103/2103 Stockholm
1104/2104 Berlin
1105/2105 Londra (London)
1106/2106 Paris
1107/2107 Roma (Rome)
1108/2108 Madrid
1109/2109 Luxembourg
1110/2110 Bruxelles
1111/2111 Viena (Vienna)
1112/2112 Atena (Athens)
1113/2113 Copenhaga (Copenhagen)
1114/2114 Budapesta (Budapest)
1115/2115 Praga (Prague)
1116/2116 Varşovia (Warsaw)
1117/2117 Haga (The Hague)
1118/2118 Helsinki
1119/2119 Lisabona (Lisbon)
1120/2120 Bratislava
1121/2121 Dublin
1122/2122 Nicosia
1123/2123 Tallinn
1124/2124 Riga
1125/2125 Vilnius
1126/2126 Sofia

^^Vilnius has arrived! Sofia will probably also arrive this week, but will see service only after Easter. Sofia will complete to current order placed to Bombardier.:cheers:
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4007/p1000133lj6.jpg

sanasa1

April 23rd, 2008, 06:18 PM

will there be any other orders in the near future for bombardier metros?

Cosmin

April 23rd, 2008, 06:32 PM

Well, they'll most likely order the same Movias for M4 for replacing the old IVAs, as well as for replacing IVAs that are still running on other lines (M1 and M3), especially since they'll open the M3 extension to Linia de Centură this year. M2 only has Movias for quite some time now.

And they'll need new trains for the new lines, M5 and M6. I don't know if they'll stick to Movias for these new lines though.

Le Clerk

April 23rd, 2008, 08:20 PM

The tender specifications have been published and the tender for the contract will be organized in the fall. The line will have 9 km and 14 stations. The duration of the works will be 7 years, and the value of the contract is about 0.5 billion EUR.

Cotidianul
24/04/2008

Metroul de Drumul Taberei, la licitaţie în toamnă

Licitaţia pentru lucrările de construcţie a Magistralei 5 a metroului, pe tronsonul Eroilor-Ghencea, va avea loc în ultimul trimestru al anului, valoarea estimativă a contractului fiind de 1,295 miliarde de lei, fără TVA, a declarat agenţiei MEDIAFAX directorul tehnic al Metrorex, Ştefan Rotaru.

„Am publicat anunţul de intenţie, iar licitaţia va avea loc în trimestrul IV. Mai multe detalii despre data exactă a licitaţiei şi deschiderea ofertelor vom şti atunci când va fi publicat anunţul de participare“, a spus Rotaru. Potrivit proiectului, linia de metrou care va uni cartierul Drumul Taberei de centrul Capitalei ar urma să aibă o lungime de nouă kilometri şi 14 staţii. Durata de execuţie a proiectului este de şapte ani din momentul începerii lucrărilor de construire.

Cosmin

April 23rd, 2008, 08:25 PM

So we got from 2014 to 2016 if not 2017. How nice.:)

Le Clerk, by the time they finish it you'll probably be living in some other area.:lol:

Le Clerk

April 23rd, 2008, 08:27 PM

Yes, but I will try the line from time to time to see how would it have been if I had still lived there. :lol:

PaulFCB

May 1st, 2008, 01:18 AM

Well, i don't think we will live to see M5 complete...
They hardly finished M3 extension and i don't know how the mechanism of Eroilor station will work now.
M4 is still light years away from finished to Zarea( practically they should have done at least 2 more stations and they have done nothing ). I don't know how they will work in Dr. Taberei, will they block the traffic till "2014" so they can work on it? Do they even know if they can do it?
I think they should make new stations between Victoriei&SCM, SCM&Obor, Basarab&Crangasi, Basa&Grivitei and others.
Practically the only normal distance may be between Basarab & Gara de Nord, the rest are over the normality.

The Victoriei-Otopeni is a excelent idea ( where would they build that station??? But they should make an express ( a Heathrow-Peddington type shuttle ) so people wont worry about pickpockets.
They might have space near Victoriei on Buzesti Street on the right where there is a big REBU terrain and link it to the metro station, eventually a "Les Halles"( In Paris ) station type passage between the lines.
I am not so optimistic about they're projects, though...it would be nice to see the airport shuttle live.

BTW: Where is the Gara de Nord M4 entrance? Never seen it and i heard its separate from the M1( you can't even change it, must check out & in ).Anybody has a idea? Is it somewhere between Gara de Nord 1 and Basarab? Any pics?

sanasa1

May 1st, 2008, 06:03 AM

Metrorex primeste de la buget fonduri suplimentare de 100 de milioane de euro, anunta The Money Channel.

Cu acesti bani Metrorex va cumpara sase trenuri si va realiza proiectul preliminar pentru magistrala 5 Drumul Taberei - Pantelimon si tronsonul 2 Universitate - Pantelimon. Investitia va acoperi si costul studiului de fezabilitate pentru modernizarea statiilor de metrou. De asemenea, statiile de metrou vor avea si lifturi.

Programul de investitii pe 2008 vizeaza finalizarea lucrarii la racordul Nicolae Grigorescu- Linia de Centura si a lucrarilor de structura la racordul 1 Mai- Laromet pe zona cuprinsa intre statiile 1 Mai si Zarea. Se vor finaliza, de asemenea, lucrarile de compatibilizare a instalatiilor de autorizare si siguranta traficului pe Magistralele 1 si 3.

Fondurile au fost alocate in urma rectificarii bugetare din luna martie.

Fallen

May 1st, 2008, 10:32 AM

Interesant. Sa vedem cum se vor descurca cu acesti bani...

Avem 43 de trenuri noi (decamdata), care sunt impartite pe 2 linii. Dar oare cate dintre ele sunt pe teren zi de zi? Nu cred ca mai mult de 30 in orele de varf ... Cel putin pe linia M2, in orele de varf intervalul de sosire e de 4-5 minute (desi poate ei se lauda cu un 3-4 minute). Si cum un drum din Pipera pana la Depoul IMGB nu dureaza mai mult de 30 de minute, ar insemna ca sunt vreo 12 trenuri pe traseu, in ambele sensuri (in orele de varf!!).
Cat despre M1, nu cred sincer ca sunt nici macar 18 trenuri pe traseu vreodata (desi linia e mai lunga decat M2). Stau de innebunesc de fiecare data cand merg pe linia asta. Ce fac cu celelalte approximativ 10-12 trenuri? Ar putea tine doar cate 1-2 trenuri de rezerva pe fiecare linie si restul sa le trimita pe traseu... macar in orele de varf.

+ ca pe linia eroilor-industriilor sunt trenuri vechi si pe linia M4 sunt alt tip de trenuri...

Cosmin

May 1st, 2008, 11:13 AM

+ ca pe linia eroilor-industriilor sunt trenuri vechi si pe linia M4 sunt alt tip de trenuri...
Cum alt tip de trenuri? Pe M4 sunt tot vechile IVA, doar ca unele, daca nu toate sunt un pic luate la pila, adica au bare portocalii si un semnal de alarma mai nou.:lol: Dar tot IVA sunt, ca cele de pe M3.

Fallen

May 1st, 2008, 02:56 PM

eh, am mers o singura data pe M4, si nu prea mai tineam minte cum e. :nuts: Daca sunt tot IVA cred ca sunt unele mai noi ... mergeau foarte smooth. Nu le-am recunoscut. Probabil ca sunt si sinele mai bune pe M4 ...

ady26

May 11th, 2008, 12:46 AM

sa fiu sincer, Metroul e cam singurul lucru bun facut de comunisti in tara asta, asa ca ar trebui sa avem grija de el, sa-l extindem si sa ne gandim la beneficiile lui!

Cosmin

May 11th, 2008, 10:45 AM

Sunt de acord, e printre putinele lucruri bune facute de comunisti, insa... ca in multe alte cazuri, si in cazul metroului probabil ca eram mai castigati daca nu erau comunistii deloc.:)

La Bucuresti se vorbea despre contruirea unei retele metropolitane (metrou) inca din perioada interbelica, insa a inceput Al Doilea Razboi Mondial, iar apoi au venit comunistii. Daca nu aveam comunistii pe cap, eu cred ca in anii '50-'60 aveam primele statii de metrou si nu cred ca azi, in 2008, anvergura sistemului ar fi fost mai mica, ci eventual mai mare decat in prezent.

Imaginati-va Romania fara nici macar un an de comunism...:(

PaulFCB

May 14th, 2008, 01:45 PM

Pana unde au sapat la M4? Un coleg mi-a zis ca e pana la Bucurestii Noi ( Bazilescu ) sapatura si ca au lasat-o sa se duca dracului ca mai degraba se pescuieste pe acolo. Nu mai stiu unde am auzit ca vor pana in Bucurestii Noi intr-un an sa-i dea drumul insa ma indoiesc.
Pe M4 sunt metrouri vechi cu toate ca statiile sunt misto, exista si indicator in cat timp ajunge trenul ca in Europa, bine...la 4 statii nici nu e foarte greu dar nu pot sa faca asta si la celelalte linii?
Pe M4 am fost si eu doar odata, dar ar fii tare sa bage metrouri noi pe sine noi sa mearga chiar repede...oricum distanta intre Basarab si Grivita este mare.
Macar sa termine M4 si sa mai adauge statii, oricum nu cred ca apucam sa prindem in viata M5.

Fallen

May 14th, 2008, 02:47 PM

let's try to be optimistic about it :D

PaulFCB

May 14th, 2008, 03:21 PM

Are you optimistic about everything since The Revolution?
They can't finish the M3 Grigorescu-LDC in 18 years and they're talking about a M5 all new, clean, long, high traffic line?
I'm so tired of being optimistic really, you have to lack experience in this city to be so optimistic.
Everything is a chaos, if 6 work on something made for 2, 5 of them are resting and the other is watching them.

Cosmin

May 14th, 2008, 03:39 PM

Paul the Gunner, in case you didn't read every post in this thread, you probably missed this...
Long-term Perspectives for the Bucharest Metro
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5865/liniiviitoareog3.png

The following is a compilation of current and future Metrorex (Bucharest Metro operator) projects taken from their website or from various newspaper articles.

Current projects
• Nicolae Grigorescu - Linia de Centura branch of M3 (4.8 km and 4 stations) - due September 1 2008
• 1 Mai - Laromet extension of M4 (3.1 km and 3 stations) - due 2010
• acquisition of 6 new Bombardier Movia train sets - ongoing
• upgrading of electrical equipment on lines 1 & 3
• upgrading of the informatic system

Future projects
• M5 line (Ghencea - Pantelimon) having two stages:
Stage I, between Ghencea and Universitate (9.8 km and 14 stations) - due 2014
Stage II, between Universitate and Pantelimon, with a brach to Gara Obor (8 km and 12 stations)• M6 line to Aurel Vlaicu and Henri Coandă aiports in the North. The line would branch off M4 from 1 Mai station or M2 from either Piaţa Victoriei or Aurel Vlaicu stations (14 km and 14 stations) - due 2014
• Acquiring 37 train sets for the first segment of M5
• M7 line (Rahova – Colentina)
• M8 Southern Circle Line
• M4 Southern extension from Gara de Nord to Gara Progresul
• Building up to 23 new stations on existing lines in order to reduce the distance between stations, currently at 1.25 km on average
• Modernizing existing metro stations by building public toilets, improving static and dynamic means of information for the public and refurbishing the stations themselves
• Modernizing ventilation, sanitary, fire fighting and communication systems; upgrading train tracks

Projected development
Today: 4 lines, 46 stations and 64.4 km
September 2008: 4 lines, 50 stations and 67.2 km
2010: 4 lines, 53 stations and 70.3 km
2014: 6 lines, 81 stations and 94.1 km

Comparison to other systems in the region
Vienna: 5 lines, 90 stations, 65.6 km
Prague: 3 lines, 54 stations, 54.7 km
Athens: 3 lines, 52 stations, 72.2 km
Kiev: 3 lines, 45 stations, 58.8 km
Budapest: 3 lines, 40 stations, 31.7 km
Sofia: 1 line, 8 stations, 10 km
Istanbul: 1 line, 6 stations, 8.5 km
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not that optimistic about these projects, especially since the line to Otopeni is an uncertainty at the moment. I'm more of a realist. However, I'm sure the deadline for the M3 extension will be met.:cheers:

PaulFCB

May 14th, 2008, 03:45 PM

Its the 10th-20th deadline yet.

Le Clerk

May 21st, 2008, 03:57 PM

Autor: Ziarul Financiar
Data: 21-05-2008

Metrorex va plati 48,4 mil. lei consultantului pentru linia Drumul Taberei-Universitate

Metrorex ar putea selecta, in luna iulie, consultantul pentru lucrarile la Magistrala 5 de metrou, respectiv Drumul Taberei-Universitate, contractul fiind estimat la 48,43 milioane de lei, conform anunului de intentie al companiei.

Operatorul de transport subteran va organiza o licitatie pentru servicii de arhitectura, de inginerie specializata si integrata, de proiectare urbanistica si peisagistica, servicii conexe de consultanta stiintifica si tehnica, de testari si analize tehnice pentru linia de metrou Drumul Taberei-Universitate.

Durata contractului este de 60 de luni de la data adjudecarii acestuia. Termenul pentru inceperea procedurilor de adjudecare este 15 iulie.

Licitatia pentru lucrarile de constructie a Magistralei 5 a metroului, pe tronsonul Eroilor-Ghencea, va avea loc in ultimul trimestru al anului, valoarea estimativa a contractului fiind de 1,295 miliarde lei, fara TVA.

Lucrarile se vor desfasura pe o perioada de doi ani si vor viza lucrari de infrastructura pentru tunele, galerii si statii si se vor desfasura pe o perioada de doi ani de la data atribuirii contractului.

Potrivit proiectului, linia de metrou care va uni cartierul Drumul Taberei de centrul Capitalei ar urma sa aiba o lungime de noua kilometri si 14 statii, respectiv Ghencea, Prelungirea Ghencea, Raul Doamnei, Brancusi, Romancierilor, Drumul Taberei, Drumul Taberei 34, Favorit, Orizont, Academia Militara, Eroilor 2, Hasdeu, Cismigiu si Universitate 2, iar de la Piata Universitatii ar urma traseul deja existent pentru o legatura cu cartierul Pantelimon. Durata de executie a proiectului este de sapte ani din momentul inceperii lucrarilor de construire.
Sursa: www.zf.ro/articol_173119