View Full Version : Proposed: New Towers/ Projects
doha
June 8th, 2006, 04:41 PM
guy's what tower is this
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MillenniaL
June 8th, 2006, 04:53 PM
i see nothing?! can u pleas upload the pic again so we could help u to figure it out
doha
June 8th, 2006, 04:56 PM
how can i upload it
Qatar Son 333
June 8th, 2006, 04:59 PM
can some one explain to him how to use imageshack any way i dont know what is imageshack??
doha
June 8th, 2006, 05:15 PM
this is it
http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18xe1.jpg
Qatarifreak
June 8th, 2006, 05:50 PM
Oh yes, I think it's called tumor tower??
drmadham
June 8th, 2006, 08:43 PM
yes, it is tumor-tower indeed.
:puke:
:down:
amrja
June 9th, 2006, 02:27 AM
Tumor tower? Whos the marketing genius who named it that?
Qatarifreak
June 9th, 2006, 05:06 AM
lol. no that's not the name. It just looks like something's wrong with it.
B-Patriot
June 9th, 2006, 05:54 AM
LOLL, Tumor tower, hahahahaha.... No comment!
doha
June 9th, 2006, 06:34 PM
some more towers
http://img121.imageshack.us/my.php?image=copyofregent1tower1cw.jpg
http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=copyoftower0wf.gif
Halawala
June 9th, 2006, 07:28 PM
I am sure these towers have been posted before somewhere here. But I like the tumor tower, though! :hahaha:
Qatar Son 333
June 10th, 2006, 12:42 PM
i like the last 2
h_arc_h
June 10th, 2006, 07:07 PM
the first one is so crappy .. wonder why can't they sketch a deacent design
doha
June 11th, 2006, 07:43 PM
guys are these towers going to be built or what:
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alsalam6fw.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alsalam27hr.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alsalam33sw.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alsalamtower5re.jpg
Qatar Son 333
June 11th, 2006, 08:25 PM
you know i like the first and last picture i think thay might build it.
MillenniaL
June 15th, 2006, 04:52 PM
I found some new towers coming up in doha and here they are:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3610/p13zp.jpg
office tower
floors: B2+B1+G+29
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http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/4903/p20ux.jpg
officw tower
floors: B2+B1+G+25
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http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9465/p32fh.jpg
HOTEL
floors:B2+B1+G+22
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http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7215/p44cs.jpg
office tower
floors: B2+B1+G+40
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http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5678/p58vm.jpg
Residential tower
floors:B2+B1+G+22
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http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2773/p61xj.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4231/p74do.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6000/p86mq.jpg
The Wall Stadium
Total area: 200000 m2
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here are some of the proporsals:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/387/pp11lw.jpg
Samiriya towers
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http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9991/pp24qq.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4032/pp08ns.jpg
office tower
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http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6476/pp55ec.jpg
accordion tower
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http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5622/pp48xs.jpg
the Gate
this is another proprsal for the twin towers of Alsalam porject
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all these projects are been desigend by MZ& partners ,i"ll try to up date you about their status as soon i get anything new :)
qatari 4 ever
June 15th, 2006, 05:45 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
omarmakki
June 15th, 2006, 07:06 PM
wow! That is some definately cool stuff (and kinda crazy too). With the exception of the stadium, which is completely insane! But a very cool idea.
The proposals are also insane!
Thanks for your (always) great updates MilleniaL...
Qatar Son 333
June 15th, 2006, 09:26 PM
i like the lastone and the stadium and by the way thanks for the updates millennial...
GCC
June 16th, 2006, 12:42 AM
doesn't the stadium look physically impossible to build?
MillenniaL
June 16th, 2006, 02:01 PM
doesn't the stadium look physically impossible to build?
nothing impossible in the modern ARCHITECTURE :)
yasse
June 16th, 2006, 02:15 PM
beautiful
the samiraya towers, the gates and the hotel
I suppose they are approved or just simply ideas
Halawala
June 16th, 2006, 05:41 PM
Thanks MelliniaL for the towers. My fav ones are Samiriyah Towers and the bitten-circle tower. I don't like the Wall stadium. The rest of the towers are okay (nothing exeptional about them, but they are normal and okay).
bhaggy3
June 17th, 2006, 01:41 PM
has anyone seen the construction site for the tower for Doha Bank? i passed it today in west bay... the render looks great
Qatar Son 333
June 17th, 2006, 02:37 PM
i saw it today its near the citycenter the citycenter towers are huge gigantic!!!
zx
June 18th, 2006, 06:37 AM
The firt picture is AL-Muhanna tower with no progress at all in the sight since 1 year, I think the pakistani guy got tired and resigned, since then they didn't find anyone to finish the job :)
The forth picture is Dubai Towers.
The rest are really coooool pics.
bhaggy3
June 18th, 2006, 08:01 PM
how can the 4th be dubai towers when it says that it is only 40 floors? and just out of interest how do you know what these towers are...
Qatar4Ever
June 18th, 2006, 08:36 PM
amazing and unique towers. where did u get them.. will we ever build them ??
zx
June 19th, 2006, 07:20 AM
how can the 4th be dubai towers when it says that it is only 40 floors? and just out of interest how do you know what these towers are...
The 4th one looks very similar to Dubai towers but the first one is difinatly AL-Muhanna Tower, and that is how it looks like since more than 6 months ago untill today
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8241/almuhanna6xy.jpg
Halawala
June 19th, 2006, 01:36 PM
ZX, That tower is never going to get finished :) Guys, what is the status on the City Center Hotel towers? How many floors are up so far?
Qatar Son 333
June 19th, 2006, 03:50 PM
halawala i am not sure but when i went thare saterday the first 2 are really high but the other 2 are still low really low maybe only 4-5 levels? !!!!!!!
MillenniaL
June 25th, 2006, 10:31 PM
accourding to some one who work in MZ & PARTNERS, all these towers ar approved except for Alsameryia which it needs to be approved by al ameer to accept its design since it blocks the sea view.
the staduim's capasity would be around 10,000 and will cost around 750 m QR
salman515
June 26th, 2006, 04:34 AM
the gate tower looks nice thanx MillenniaL for the updates
i`ll take some pics for citycenter it looks like 30 or more
edit:
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6249/dsc000698zj.jpg
i count 31 floor
omarmakki
June 26th, 2006, 06:41 AM
^^WOW! That's pretty tall!
Still... 19 floors to go... :D
Thanks for the pics Salman...
qatari 4 ever
June 26th, 2006, 02:27 PM
مشروع السيتي سنتر ؟؟
سمعت اليوم في قناة العقارية خبر يقول عن مشروع السيتي سنتر الجزء الاول من المشروع هو بناء برجين بارتفاع 52 طابق وهم هالبرجين
والجزء الثاني هو بناء ثلاث ابراج الي في الجهة الثانية يتكون كل واحد منهم من 100 طابق
يعني برجين بجانب السيتي بطول 52 طابق والصوب الثاني ثلاثة بطول 100 طابق :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Qatar Son 333
June 26th, 2006, 02:43 PM
are you serious three towers on the other side coolllllll and 100m awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
omarmakki
June 26th, 2006, 10:44 PM
^^ Are you sure?
Three 100f towers?!!!
I guess, I'll tune in to Al Aqariya to check it out!
wakrah-wi-bas
June 27th, 2006, 02:34 AM
it's true, according to al-raya on 26.6.2006
«فيصل القابضة» تبني «5» فنادق بتكلفة «300» مليون دولار
كتب - السيد العزوني
اختارت شركة «فيصل القابضة» الجمعية القطرية للفنون التشكيلية لتقديم 5000 لوحة فنية وذلك لتعبر عن التراث والفن القطري في المشروع التي تقوم به شركة فيصل وهي بناء 5 فنادق سياحية بجوار مركز سيتي سنتر الدوحة.
المشروع عبارة عن مرحلتين تشمل المرحلة الاولى فندقين بارتفاع 52 طابقا وقد بدأت الشركة في البناء بهذه المرحلة في شهر ابريل 2005 وتنتهي منها في يوليو 2007 اما المرحلة الثانية فهي عبارة عن ثلاثة فنادق بارتفاع 100 طابق بدأت الشركة بها في ديسمبر 2005 وسوف تنتهي نوفمبر 2009 الشركة التي تقوم بالتنفيذ هي شركة اماراتية لها خبرة عالية في المباني المرتفعة اما التمويل الفنادق فسوف سوف يكون من البنك الاهلي المتحد وبنك دبي الوطني.
ومن خلال الحفل الذي اقيم بمناسبة الاعلان عن الاتفاقية بين فيصل القابضة والجمعية القطرية للفنون التشكيلية مساء أول أمس بفندق الماريوت القى الشيخ فيصل بن قاسم آل ثاني كلمة قال فيها: اننا محظوظون لكوننا نعيش في بلد يعد اقتصاده ضمن الاقتصاديات الاسرع على مستوى العالم.. واننا على يقين ان رؤية حضرة صاحب السمو امير البلاد المفدى لمستقبل دولة قطر سترفع اقتصاد البلاد الى مصاف الاقتصاديات الرائدة في المنطقة والعالم واننا مصممون على المشاركة الفعالة في هذا المستقبل الواعد.
وحيث اننا نقوم بانشاء خمسة فنادق راقية بمنطقة الدوحة الحديثة. وانطلاقا من ايماننا العميق بأن الفنانين التشكيليين القطريين قد وصلوا بانتاجهم الفني الى العالمية فانه يسعدنا ان نتعاون مع هؤلاء الفنانين والفنانات لتنفيذ اللوحات الفنية المطلوبة لتجميل هذه الفنادق والتي يزيد عددها على خمسة آلاف لوحة فنية.
وها نحن اليوم نحتفل بلقاء الفنانين القطريين والفنانات القطريات لنعمل معا ولترسيخ المهنية العالية لفنانينا وفناناتنا من خلال مشاركتهم الكريمة في اتحاف هذه المشاريع بأعمالهم العالمية الراقية.
YeMeNi_guy
June 27th, 2006, 04:49 AM
wooooow! 100f is sooo much
i thunk there are only like 5 towers thet high in the whole worl
YeMeNi_guy
June 27th, 2006, 04:54 AM
WORLDDDDDDD
not worl, worldddd
Halawala
June 27th, 2006, 08:27 AM
No way, that information is wrong. The three towers are 50 floors each and the Emarati firm is al habtoor engineering. Its a well-known fact anyway. Guys, dont believe everything you hear these days.
salman515
June 27th, 2006, 12:11 PM
well its 3 towers indeed u can see it when u pass there althou am not sure about the 100 floors that means 300 meters or so !!
5 towers with the same design thats not cool !
Qatar Son 333
June 27th, 2006, 12:45 PM
how do you know it will be the same design ??? oh and is it 100m or 100 floors...
qatari 4 ever
June 27th, 2006, 01:16 PM
it is 100 floors
Qatar Son 333
June 27th, 2006, 01:34 PM
so its almost 200 to 250m????
omarmakki
June 27th, 2006, 03:53 PM
^^ 100 floors are more than 400m... Maybe even 500m
Keep in mind that Dubai Towers are 445m tall and 80 floors...
Qatar Son 333
June 28th, 2006, 09:58 AM
so it will be bigger than dubaitowers ???
omarmakki
June 28th, 2006, 12:42 PM
Well, they should be taller than the Dubai Tower... That is if it gets built!
Qatar Son 333
June 28th, 2006, 08:57 PM
witch one are you talking about the three towers are already getting built dubai tower is working in the basement ...
omarmakki
June 28th, 2006, 10:29 PM
I am talking about the City Center towers...
Halawala
June 29th, 2006, 12:19 AM
http://www.habtoorengg.co.ae/english/Projects/ProjDetail.asp
Its not a 100 stories (I would like to give that newspaper writer a piece of my mind).
wakrah-wi-bas
June 29th, 2006, 01:44 AM
GOIC gets a new 65 story high tower.
this story is about GOIC's (Gulf Organization for Industrial Consulting) new tower in doha.
«جويك» تحول مقرها إلى برج من 65 طابقا| تاريخ النشر:الأربعا ,28 يُونْيُو 2006 1:25 أ.م.
نائل صلاح :
علمت "الشرق" ان منظمة الخليج للاستشارات الصناعية "جويك" تدرس حاليا تحويل مقرها في منطقة الكورنيش الى برج شاهق يتكون من 65 طابقا، وقال مصدر لـ «الشرق» ان مجلس المنظمة ناقش هذا الامر وان الدراسات تجري حاليا حول كيفية تمويل المشروع، حيث تتجه النية الى تأمين التمويل من خلال بعض البنوك التجارية.
وتشير المعلومات الى ان البرج المزمع اقامته في نفس مقر المنظمة حاليا سيكون بمثابة مشروع استثماري للمنظمة، حيث ستخصص الطوابق السفلية من البرج للخدمات، فيما ستؤجر بقية الطوابق كمكاتب تجارية.
وأشار مصدر لـ «الشرق» الى انه سيتم انتقال المنظمة الى مقر مؤقت في الدوحة لحين الانتهاء من بناء البرج، حيث سيتم هدم المبنى الحالي والمكون من ثلاثة طوابق، وبناء البرج الشاهق في نفس المكان.
جدير بالذكر ان مقر منظمة الخليج للاستشارات الصناعية الذي لا يتجاوز ارتفاعه 50 مترا محاط بالعديد من الابراج الشاهقة في منطقة كورنيش الدوحة.
salman515
June 29th, 2006, 05:14 AM
^^ good to hear althou 65 is too much
wakrah-wi-bas
July 6th, 2006, 01:59 PM
Grand Hyatt hotel & villas. located in west bay lagoon area.
cost:$120,000,000
duration:30 months
include 250 rooms, 56 villas, all 5 star.
contractor: hill international
http://up.alfaris.net/upload.php?alfaris=11521866614227
qatari 4 ever
July 6th, 2006, 02:32 PM
http://www.qatarpictures.com/qatargallery/up3/files/8/28062006306.jpg
this tower for nakheel Island
http://www.qatarpictures.com/qatargallery/up3/files/8/nakheel.jpg
new airport
http://www.qatarpictures.com/qatargallery/up3/files/8/airport.jpg
lagoon Plaza
http://www.qatarpictures.com/qatargallery/up3/files/8/twin.jpg
good bay
Qatar Son 333
July 6th, 2006, 04:39 PM
what and where is nakeel island??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
qatari 4 ever
July 6th, 2006, 08:42 PM
Nakheel Islant this near doha cornich !!!!!!!!!
جزيرة النخيل ماتعرفها ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟!!!!!!!!!!!
Qatar Son 333
July 7th, 2006, 10:39 AM
اعرفهه but it totally dosent look like that its in a an ovel shape
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7011/palmisl7ap.jpg
wakrah-wi-bas
July 12th, 2006, 07:31 PM
al-hitmi residencial project. located in oum guwalinah, south of abu baker mosque.
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/12/w6w_20060712121308e82bd52f.jpg (http://www.w6wup.com)
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/12/w6w_200607121217070a85930b.jpg (http://www.w6wup.com)
satellite image of the project site.
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/12/w6w_20060712122030ab7593b7.jpg (http://www.w6wup.com)
7litan tower on cournich, near movenpick hotel. will host the new HSBC main office.
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/12/w6w_200607121223062e068e27.jpg (http://www.w6wup.com)
this used to be an old parking lot for trucks in al doha al jadeedah, being fenced by barwa, apparently for a project.
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/12/w6w_200607121226254ba9c4cb.jpg (http://www.w6wup.com)
satellite image of the site
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/12/w6w_2006071212295875519833.jpg (http://www.w6wup.com)
Halawala
July 14th, 2006, 02:18 PM
Thanks Wakrawi for the updates. The Barwa project is probably transforming the Doha Jaddeda area in to a more modern area of Doha. They talked about this a while ago.
YeMeNi_guy
July 14th, 2006, 11:39 PM
satellite image of the project site.
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/12/w6w_20060712122030ab7593b7.jpg (http://www.w6wup.com)
hmm...i dont think right next to the airport is a good location
qatari 4 ever
July 17th, 2006, 12:58 PM
Hleytan Tower , doha
http://www.dreso.com/german/img/Referenzen/032-1023_1_rdax_550x363_100.jpg
qatari 4 ever
July 17th, 2006, 01:21 PM
http://www.up.org.qa/upnew/modules/4nAlbum/album/album2/8.jpg
http://www.up.org.qa/upnew/modules/4nAlbum/album/album2/7.jpg
http://www.up.org.qa/upnew/modules/4nAlbum/album/album2/6.jpg
wakrah-wi-bas
July 17th, 2006, 08:29 PM
Some new towers.No information are available about the first two.
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/17/w6w_20060717132252585a999c.JPG (http://www.w6wup.com)
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/17/w6w_20060717132321b9f7cdf7.JPG (http://www.w6wup.com)
Millenium hotel
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/17/w6w_20060717132727b8635fbd.jpg (http://www.w6wup.com)
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/17/w6w_20060717132841834c1a35.JPG (http://www.w6wup.com)
Halawala
July 18th, 2006, 08:39 AM
Looking Good! But there is no time frame for them getting built.
wakrah-wi-bas
July 19th, 2006, 02:08 AM
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/18/w6w_200607181903530385463a.gif (http://www.w6wup.com)
قطر الإسلامي يوقع عقد مقاولات مع الخيارين لبناء برج
وقع مصرف قطر الاسلامي عقد مقاولات تقدر قيمته ب 80،6 مليون ريال قطري بتاريخ 9/7/2006 مع مجموعة الخيارين لبناء برج العوينة قرب فندق موفينبيك. يقع برج العوينة في منطقة السلطة القديمة قرب كورنيش الدوحة بجانب فندق موفينبيك والذي تم تصميمه من دار الاستشارات والتصميم ويعتبر البرج مثالا هندسيا حديثا ومبني اداريا بتصميماته والذي يتكون من 3 أدوار قبو والدور الارضي و14 طابقا اداريا وطابق بنتهاوس. سيتم تشييد العمارة خلال 18 شهرا من تاريخ البداية في شهر سبتمبر الحالي وبتكلفة اجمالية وقدرها 6.80 مليون ريال قطري تحت اشراف مكتب دار الاستشارات والتصميم.
حضر حفل توقيع العقد كل من السيد محمد ادريس المدير الاداري في مجموعة الخيارين ممثلا المقاول والسيد المهندس علي اشرف ممثلا عن دار الاستشارات والتصميم وتعهد الطرفان علي انجاز المشروع بالجودة.
وقال السيد المدير الاداري لمجموعة الخيارين: سوف نقوم بتوفير الجودة وانهاء المشروع في وقته .
انشئت الشركة مجموعة الخيارين في عام 2001م لتقديم خدمات السكن وحلول العمارة في المجتمع القطري.
فقد اعدنا ترتيب الشركة في السنة السابقة بكافة التجهيزات البنائية الخاصة وخلال فترة زمنية قصيرة واصبحت مجموعة الخيارين من بين شركات المقاولات في دولة قطر وضامنين مصادر النجاح للمستقبل.
حضر حفل توقيع العقد كل من السيد مانوج كومار جوشي - مدير المشروع والسيد محمد اكرم رئيس المحاسبين في مجموعة الخيارين.
Halawala
July 20th, 2006, 10:09 PM
Nice looking towers! Thanks for the info. 14 stories is hardly a tower but it will do for Doha.
salman515
July 20th, 2006, 10:14 PM
like this one thanx wakrawi
halawala welcome back in Doha :D
Halawala
July 20th, 2006, 10:34 PM
Ahleen Salman! Thanks for the welcome but I am still here in Dubai. Im going to PM you now.
wakrah-wi-bas
July 20th, 2006, 11:36 PM
like this one thanx wakrawi
7a9reen. i7na balshofeh.
GCC
July 21st, 2006, 05:31 AM
http://www.up.org.qa/upnew/modules/4nAlbum/album/album2/8.jpg
http://www.up.org.qa/upnew/modules/4nAlbum/album/album2/7.jpg
http://www.up.org.qa/upnew/modules/4nAlbum/album/album2/6.jpg
Hey there Qatari4ever.....what is it that they're showing here......looks AMAZING.
qatari 4 ever
July 21st, 2006, 08:34 PM
This is The capital doha project
مشروع الدوحة الكبرى
GCC
July 23rd, 2006, 01:46 PM
wow! impressive.....
MillenniaL
July 26th, 2006, 10:54 PM
Hey there Qatari4ever.....what is it that they're showing here......looks AMAZING.
Qatari 4 ever: these pictures are for Urban Planning & Development Authority's visit to Singapore and what you see in the pictures is the plan of the capital of Singapore.
amrja
July 27th, 2006, 08:00 AM
All these new towers are great, but what about parking? I mean, they never think about that, they only build more and more and people have nowhere to pak - they really need to build a few multi-story carparks around West Bay and Dafna.
suzan
September 7th, 2006, 09:42 AM
Some new towers.No information are available about the first two.
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/17/w6w_20060717132252585a999c.JPG (http://www.w6wup.com)
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/17/w6w_20060717132321b9f7cdf7.JPG (http://www.w6wup.com)
Millenium hotel
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/17/w6w_20060717132727b8635fbd.jpg (http://www.w6wup.com)
http://up.w6wup.com/up2/2006/07/17/w6w_20060717132841834c1a35.JPG (http://www.w6wup.com)
Where did you get these towers from? I have never seen the first two towers
wakrah-wi-bas
September 7th, 2006, 02:29 PM
from Sketch Design (Qatar) Company's booklet.
MillenniaL
September 25th, 2006, 01:59 AM
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3285/untitled1io5.jpg
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7397/pp08nshi7.jpg
this tower is approved and it's around 49F :) , I remember a saw a name of one of qatar banks on this project(as i remember it was Qatar islamic bank, not sure though coz it was monthes ago)
ahmadoustwan
September 25th, 2006, 11:30 AM
Parking is a huuuuugggge probelm is going to be that i am sure of, they should build multi parking buildings around i agreee big timmeeeeee.
PS: we need more subways and bridges in that area too or else we wont get over the traffic jam in that area what so ever
Massilia
November 9th, 2006, 06:57 PM
Some updates (but months-old apparently :D) on the urban planning website! Some of the towers i had never seen:
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/523/1bz0.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4049/3eb6.jpg
The one on the right is called Thamer Tower:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5971/55is1.jpg
suzan
November 9th, 2006, 07:21 PM
I've seen those!
Qatar Son 333
November 9th, 2006, 07:23 PM
me to old news very
Halawala
November 10th, 2006, 10:09 AM
Yes, we saw them before somewhere in this site.
omarmakki
November 10th, 2006, 11:50 AM
They are old...
But guys, Massilia didn't know that!
Thanks Massilia for the photos :)
Massilia
November 11th, 2006, 05:30 PM
I had not seen the first 2 ones, and I didnt miss anything extraordinary, unfortunately
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