All cities in today’s Congo have Belgian colonial roots. I’ve searched the internet to find out how these cities, or at least its ( white ) citycenters looked like.

Cities in the Belgian Congo ( 1908 – 1960 ) were named after members of the royal family, or other persons that contributed somehow to the building up of the colony.

The Belgian Congo had two official languages : French and Dutch. This means cities, streets, etc, always carried two names ( Leopoldville – Leopoldstad, etc…), but in reality French was by far the most used language in the Belgian Congo.

Map of the Belgian Congo :
http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/photos3/Independance/carte.jpg

Leopoldville was the capital of the Belgian Congo. The city was founded as a trading post by Henry Morton Stanley in 1881 and named Leopoldville in honor of King Léopold II of Belgium. In 1966, six years after the independence, the city was renamed Kinshasa. Today the city counts 7,5 million inhabitants, which makes it one of the biggest cities on the African continent.


Leopoldville :
http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben6/images/pold002.jpg

Leopoldville – aerial picture ( 1956 ) :
http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben6/images/pold008.jpg

Leopoldville – Boulevard Albert I :
http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/Bd_Albert1er.jpg
idem :
http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben8/images/LPD023.jpg

Leopoldville – Kalina district :
http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/kalina1.jpg

Leopoldville :
http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/boulevard.jpg

Leopoldville :
http://www.katembo.be/Sharp_Steven/2/Leo10.jpg

Leopoldville – some more nice pictures :
http://www.katembo.be/yves_souvenir/images/gouverneur.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/yves_souvenir/images/hotel_stanley.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/yves_souvenir/images/leo1.jpg

Leopoldville – statue of King Leopold II ( exactly the same statue was erected in Brussels ) :
http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/photos2/leo2.jpg

Leopoldville – statue of King Albert I + central station :
http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben8/images/LPD028.jpg

Leopoldville – King Baudouin Stadium ( 1956 ). Capacity : 72.000 :
http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben5/images/l%E9opold034.jpg

Leopoldville – Manneken Pis ( 1923 )
http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben4/images/l%E9opold009.jpg


Elisabethville was founded in 1909 near a coppermine. In 1910, the city counted 300 Europeans and 1000 Africans. The city prospered with the development of a regional copper mining industry, and became the second city of the country. Today the city is called Lubumbashi. Population estimates vary wildly but average around 1.5 million.

Elisabethville - Place Royale :
http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/Elisabethville/12monument.jpg

Elisabethville – aerial picture ( 1930 ) :
http://www.inchi-yetu.be/lub_vph053_pics/UM14228.jpg

Elisabethville – aerial picture ( 1961 ) :
http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/Elisabethville/01couverture.jpg


Kolwezi :
http://kolwezikat.free.fr/Photos/closset1/ADCollegecoul.jpg


Jadotville, the present Likasi, was founded during the early 20’s, and became officialy a city in 1943. Accept a mining city, Jadotville was also an important railway junction. Today the city holds 300.000 inhabitants.

Jadotville – early 20’s :
http://www.likasi.be/LaVille/Likasi1_1.jpg


Stanleyville was founded in 1883 on an island in the Congo River near the present town of Kisangani by Henry Morton Stanley. Although it was/is the third city of the country, I haven’t found many pictures from this city. Today, this war torn city counts some 500.000 inhabitants.

Luluabourg is renamed Kananga and counts less than 400.000 inhabitants. Luluabourg was known for its diamant mines.

Luluabourg :
http://www.eglisedemaison.be/images/congoelections/Luluabourg/luluabourg1/kgaduciel.jpg?

Luluabourg :
http://www.eglisedemaison.be/images/congoelections/Luluabourg/luluabourg1/Banquecentrale_luluabourg.jpg?PHPSESSID=575eb8036ab364abb7dfc0b542dad231

Costermansville is situated on the banks of Lake Kivu. It used to be something like Saint-Tropez : it attracted ( European ) tourists from all over Congo, thanks to its temparate climate and its scenic location. Today this city is called Bukavu, and it’s somewhat like hell on earth : looting, ethnic cleansing, public decaptivations,…this city has seen it all.

Costermansville – Cathedral :
http://www.stiopka.com/Bukavu/cathedrale1.jpg

Costermansville – Avenue Royale :
http://www.stiopka.com/Bukavu/AvRoyale1.jpg

Some city maps :

Leopoldville :
http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben/images/l%E9o002.jpg

Leopoldville ( West ) :
http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/Kalina.jpg

Leopoldville ( East ) :
http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/leo_est.jpg

Elisabethville :
http://www.inchi-yetu.be/eville.jpg

Luluabourg :
http://www.katembo.be/cartes/PlanLuluabourg.jpg

Nostalgious of the colonial era are we nikolaidis?...

Anyways some good old photos of Kinshasa

Excelent thread and very old nostalgic photos. Does anyboby get some recent pics of Kinshasa and Lubumbashi?

yes, i agree, there's nothing like nostalgia.....

wow, great thread. It most have taken you a long time to complile. Congo could have turned out to be a great country if it wasn't for the 30 year reign of Mobutu.

here are some more recent pics of Kinsasha from my African cities thread

http://www.pageweb.cd/europcar/images%20europcar/kinshasa.jpg
http://www.congocultures.net/kinshasa.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Kinshasa_2003.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/24/64017087_df1da859df.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/25/64016371_dc512f5bb2.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/25/64016372_d8005560bd.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/27/61226133_43d794c097.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/34/65871851_d6618aa1b3.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/28/65870328_e3bce6df1d.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/24/61226219_9415afa907.jpg?v=0
http://static.flickr.com/30/61225979_3f062a9c16.jpg?v=0

Very interesting thread. We don't get to see much of this huge African country.

Thanks for taking an effort at collecting all these photos. It is very interesting to see.

Thank you all. It has been a pleasure to compile this thread. :okay:

Visit these websites to find more pics of the Belgian Congo :

Katanga Province :
http://www.inchi-yetu.be

Rest of Congo :
http://www.katembo.be/index1.htm

Many people send their colonial photo albums to these websites. Many of those pictures are boring ( people posing, people swimming in the pool, people at dinner,...), BUT sometimes you can come across some really stunning, amazing pictures. I think many of those people don’t realise what historical value some of their pictures have. One example : go to www.inchi-yetu.be, go to ‘nouveautés-yasasa’, scroll down to the pictures added on 2004/12/11. These pictures show very well how Elisabethville was built out of nothing.

Here finally some pictures of Stanleyville ( Kisangani ) :

Stanleyville – aerial picture ( 1955 ) :
http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1955CongoStanSite001.jpg

Stanleyville – Hôtel des Chutes ( 1957 ) :
http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1957CongoStansite02.jpg

Nikoilaidis, are you from Greece? I heard that there was a quite strong Greek community in Zaire, is it still strong nowadays?

By the way, the pics really amaze me...I didn´t expect these kind of cities in Belgian Congo.

Moreover, welcome to the African sub-forum.

Last time I checked it was called Democratic Republic of Congo... not a Belgian colony anymore :)

YES, BUT THESE PICS REFER TO THAT PERIOD WHEN DRC USED TO BE THE BELGIAN CONGO

I just felt free to add some more pictures

This is today´s Kinshasha

http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/leopodville.jpg


http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/Leo_Forescom.jpg


http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/av_cambier.jpg


http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/Kalina58.jpg


http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/dites_moi.jpg


http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/Leo_Hardy.jpg


http://www.msg-history.com/HistoricalItems/HI_Leopoldville_1963_USEmbassyCAMO.jpg

Correction: I said above that this was today´s Kinsasha....of course not, I wanted to say that this was former Leopoldville...sometimes I am really stupid :bash:

http://md.bidoir.free.fr/CB_estLeoaviateur.jpg

These were public gardens

http://md.bidoir.free.fr/CB_estLeo_parcbock.JPG


http://md.bidoir.free.fr/CB_estLeo_otraco.JPG


http://md.bidoir.free.fr/CB_estLeo_centre.jpg

http://md.bidoir.free.fr/CB_estLeo%20_reperes.JPG

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This is former Costarmansville (today´s Bukavu)

...it was taken in the 50´s

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UQDlAokZLCubMJILTdWuXAuHo*OMGDf2mmVxhCw3PEXMXaK6!VAxpADblXFGJOBeW5l37zBtOU!GGsgSwgFSb6QjbQ2oVFek5tLxx3a*8LRQ3NnrB8qeYMCOzKHKCODm/Cnki2.jpg?dc=4675496058959739951

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this is former Leopoldville in the 50´s

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben/images/l%E9o022.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben/pages/l%E9o007.htm


http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben6/images/pold009.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben7/images/LPD006.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben8/images/LPD027.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben8/images/LPD024.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/yves_souvenir/images/place_de_la_poste.jpg

public park

http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/Elisabethville/12monument.jpg

collges and schools

http://md.bidoir.free.fr/CB_kalinaLeo_Scoeur.jpg

http://md.bidoir.free.fr/CB_kalinaLeo_Col_A.JPG

http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/Elisabethville/09primaire.jpg



This is Kinsahsha in the 70´s
(1970-1975)


http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben3/images/l%E9o076.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben3/images/l%E9o077.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben3/images/l%E9o074.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben3/images/l%E9o078.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/jacques_kin/images/20k18.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben3/images/l%E9o079.jpg

Please feel free to post more pics; good job !

Nikoilaidis, are you from Greece? I heard that there was a quite strong Greek community in Zaire, is it still strong nowadays?

I’ve got nothing to do with Greece, but I love that country.

I’ve been to Lubumbashi ( Elisabethville), Likasi ( Jadotville ) and Kolwezi, and I can testifie there still is a large Greek community. I’m not sure, but they might even have outnumbered the Belgians. The owner of the hotel where I stayed, the owner of the place where I always had breakfast…all Greeks. I also had a fabulous dinner at the Cercle Hellenique.

Cercle Hellenique :
http://www.inchi-yetu.be/lub_cgrec_pics/cgr0001.jpg

The owner of the Cercle Hellenique is in Lubumbashi since 1967. I remember he still has the same ‘boy’ since that year. That ‘boy’ speaks fluently Greek. I also remember he told his restaurant was looted twice, and that he had a huge argument once with Laurent Kabila who thought he could eat for free in his restaurant. :)
http://www.inchi-yetu.be/lub_cgrec_pics/cgr0008.jpg

The Cercle Hellenique has the best basketballpitch in the whole city :
http://www.inchi-yetu.be/lub_cgrec_pics/cgr0002.jpg

Orthodox Church of Lubumbashi ( these pictures are protected ) :
http://www.inchi-yetu.be/sl_lub_eor.html

Greek wedding in Congo :
http://www.inchi-yetu.be/sl_lub_mar_ab03.html

There is even a Greek school in Lubumbashi.

Hello Nikolaidis,

Thanks for the info you have given...interesting :)

Well, then you seem to be Belgian? What about the Belgian community in Zaire-Congo today? It used to be still very strong till the 70´s but many have left since then. While I stayed in Abidjan (during most of my childhood and adoslecent years) there was a pretty large community of Congo-Belgians (several thousand we were told at that time). Others have moved to other parts of Southern africa or back to Belgium, for all I know. But what about today? Do you have any figures (just out of interest)...would just be nice to know :)

Moreover, do you think that Congo has any chance of recovery? The country is really toooooo huuugggeee and to difficult to administer!!

These are photos of former Lulouabourg (today it is callaed Kananga?)


http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Carto_Orlando/014.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/callaerts/09_vue_aerienne.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/callaerts/16_hopital_europeens.jpg


there is a cinema below, a cinema in Luluaborg somewhere in the 50´s


http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/callaerts/21_hotel_pax%202%20.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg_Dave/1/04.jpg

even though this pic was taken in Luluabourg in the 50´s it EVEN still looks inviting today

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg_Dave/1/05.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Michiels/ville/images/3.jpg


this is a Belgian patisserie shop in Luluabourg


http://www.katembo.be/Michiels/ville/images/Patisserie_Wastiau.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Michiels/ville/2/images/la_gare.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Michiels/1952/images/1952_05.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Michiels/1952/images/1952_12.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/CharlesMegank/1/images/Luluabourg-C%E9g%E9ac.jpg


THIS ARE RECENT PHOTOS - ALL TAKEN IN 2005 - WHICH I HAVE FOUND ON THE NET ABOUT FORMER LULUABOURG TODAY´S KANANGA. The city is an awful shape AND LOOKS HORRIBLY RUN DOWN :bash: :bash:

http://www.katembo.be/Djos/images/kananga06.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Djos/images/kananga14.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Djos/images/kananga16.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Djos/images/kananga04.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Djos/images/kananga03.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Djos/pages/kananga12.htm

I guess all these pictures are before they started eating the Belgians.

Belgian Congo, the womb in the rape of Africa.

Last time I checked it was called Democratic Republic of Congo... not a Belgian colony anymore :)
this thread is about reminissing about the good old days when the congo was a colony.

Belgian Congo, the womb in the rape of Africa.

I think you could say the same about the DRC today, this time it is African countries doing the raping.

I think you could say the same about the DRC today, this time it is African countries doing the raping.
i haven't been keeping close tabs on the drc so which african countries have been raping lately and how?

i haven't been keeping close tabs on the drc so which african countries have been raping lately and how?

Read the article in the skybar, the African countries and leaders are raping but the Western Countries are benefitting,they are the Congo's pimps.

All the following photos are showing former Elisabethville (today´s Lumbumbashi)

http://users.skynet.be/fa331911/photos/gare.jpg


http://users.skynet.be/fa331911/photos/palais.jpg


http://users.skynet.be/fa331911/photos/kemps2.jpg


http://users.skynet.be/fa331911/photos/leo2.jpg


http://users.skynet.be/fa331911/photos/pek2.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/fa331911/photos/cophaco.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/fa331911/photos/elakat2.jpg


http://lubumbashi.free.fr/jour/taxis.jpg


http://lubumbashi.free.fr/jour/justice.jpg


http://lubumbashi.free.fr/jour/theatrelubum1956.JPG


http://lubumbashi.free.fr/jour/ville3.JPG


http://lubumbashi.free.fr/jour/lubumbashitowncentre1.JPG


http://lubumbashi.free.fr/nautique/lactshiangaleleharbour5.JPG

http://lubumbashi.free.fr/nautique/lactshiangaleleharbour2.JPG

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this is the exhibition centre

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a college

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http://users.skynet.be/aloube/images/place%20tshome.jpg

This is former Jadotville.. today´s Likasi.I never expected that there are tons of photos on the Congo-Zaire from 1920 to 1970´s ...then it stops


http://www.likasi.be/JJ/jj1.jpg


http://www.likasi.be/Indien/UMHK068_2.jpg


http://www.likasi.be/Hans/Likasi_Market_01.JPG


http://www.likasi.be/Hans/Likasi_Karting_02.JPG


http://www.likasi.be/Divers%20new/MWADINGUSHA.JPG


http://www.likasi.be/Mich_Saenen/likasi%20b065%20-%20copie.JPG


http://www.likasi.be/Mich_Saenen/likasi%20b070%20-%20copie.JPG

http://www.likasi.be/Patpo/likasi-ville.jpg


http://siskaho.free.fr/afrique/1961/vi1.jpg

http://siskaho.free.fr/afrique/lubum/vi11.jpg



This is the same town in the early 70´s

http://www.likasi.be/Serge_Bigneron/afo005.jpg


http://www.likasi.be/Serge_Bigneron/afo007gergr.jpg


http://www.likasi.be/Mich_Saenen/likasi%20b060%20-%20copie.JPG


http://www.likasi.be/Mich_Saenen/likasi%20b056%20-%20copie.JPG

Read the article in the skybar, the African countries and leaders are raping but the Western Countries are benefitting,they are the Congo's pimps.

can you be specific? we don't have a search function anymore and i don't have the time to scan a thousand threads.

this was the only thread in the skybar related to congo that i found: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=363876
and the "bad guys" are not other african countries, but domestic rebels.

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=364863

What about the Belgian community in Zaire-Congo today? It used to be still very strong till the 70´s but many have left since then.

I’ve tried to find something about the number of Belgians in present Congo, but I haven’t found anything. If I remember well there now some 1500 Belgians left in the Katanga Province. I think in total there will be no more than 5000 Belgians left. There are still 2 Belgian schools : one in Kinshasa and one in Lubumbashi. The Belgian schools in Likasi and Kolwezi were closed recently.

Cercle Belge in Lubumbashi :
http://www.inchi-yetu.be/lub_ccb_pics/cbb001.jpg

lol this country was better as a colony...

Nikolaidis, 5000 Belgians for entire Congo or just for the Lumbumbashi province? If it is just 5000 Belgians for this vast country, the commnunity is small....and way below the almost 90 000 Belgians that still continued to live in Congo iup to the late 60´s and early 70´s.

What about the exchange between the two countries? You said that contacts are repeatedly intensifying? But why aren´t there any Belgians troups (for all I know) that are being stationed in Congo to keep the peace during the election period (only French and German troops, France literally "begged" and "forced" Germany to take part in this venture).
Are there many Congolese living in Belgium nowadays? and what about the economic, diplomatic and cultural exchanges between the two countries?

lol this country was better as a colony...

Only for the Belgians. One of the main reasons why the Congo is poor is because they killed Patrice Lumumba who was a very patriotic man who wanted to help solve and lift his countries probems. But they (the Belgians) killed him and forced Mobutu, some nincompoop they just picked off the street, and deliberately made him president. So that they were will be deep poverty, civil war, and little innocent children dying from curable diseases in a land rich with mineral resources.

Muckingfutz, yes that is true what you say. Belgian government in corporation with ohers viciously assassinated Patrice Lumumba...and installed a mad crook par excellence, namely Mobutu, who turned completly mad at the end of his tenure.

If the Belgians came to Congo and took the locals' lands with force, I wouldn't have any problem if all of the Belgains invaders were subsequently killed by the locals.

Nikolaidis, 5000 Belgians for entire Congo or just for the Lumbumbashi province? If it is just 5000 Belgians for this vast country, the commnunity is small....and way below the almost 90 000 Belgians that still continued to live in Congo iup to the late 60´s and early 70´s.

What about the exchange between the two countries? You said that contacts are repeatedly intensifying? But why aren´t there any Belgians troups (for all I know) that are being stationed in Congo to keep the peace during the election period (only French and German troops, France literally "begged" and "forced" Germany to take part in this venture).
Are there many Congolese living in Belgium nowadays? and what about the economic, diplomatic and cultural exchanges between the two countries?

Oh so many questions. I’ll try to answer them.

I can’t find information on the number of Belgians in Congo today. I guess only a few thousand. Since 1960, the Belgian army was send 5 times to evacuate compatriots, so the number of Belgians always has been in decline since 1960.

There many more Congolese in Belgium. Again, no exact information, but I think over 20.000. In Brussels they stick together in the so-called Matonge-district. It’s a very lively atmosphere there :

http://www.brussels-belgium-guide.com/photos/matonge-2.jpg

Apart from some Congolese youth gangs in Brussels, I think the relation between the Congolese community and the Belgian locals is going very smooth.

These are some popular Belgo-Congolese footballplayers :

Vincent Kompany; Congolese dad + Belgian mum :
http://membres.lycos.fr/roodeduivels/fiches/images/nedbel1.jpg
Anthony Vanden Borre; Congolese mum + Belgian dad :
http://membres.lycos.fr/roodeduivels/fiches/images/VanDenBorre.jpg

Why no Belgian troops in Congo ?
Since the genocide in Rwanda in 1994 there is an unwritten rule in Belgian politics that Belgium will never send troops to former colonies ever again, unless it’s for evacuating compatriots. While between 500.000 and 1.000.000 Rwandese were killed, Belgian public opinion was more concerned about the 10 Belgian UN-soldiers that were slaughtered in Kigali :
http://www.cdomuseum.be/PHOTOS/09_UNITES/03.%2010%20Cdos%20KIGALI.jpg

They were acting as UN-soldiers, but because they were Belgian they were easy targets for Rwandan extremists who blamed them for shooting down the presidential plane and supporting the tutsis. The extremists knew that the Belgians formed the backbone of the UN-presence in Rwanda, so when they could force the Belgians out, the whole UN-force would leave the country.
So, anyway, also the Belgian government has begged ( that’s the right word indeed ) Germany and France to send troops to Congo for the coming elections. Belgium did send two unmanned planes and equipment for the Beninese army that will also play a role during the elections in Congo.

At the moment there are 17.000 UN-soldiers in Congo : they all come from Third World countries. It is as if they have to do the dirty work; the West doesn’t seems to be interested. Much more troops are needed in Congo. That also why for me it still is painfull to see 150.000 well trained and equiped soldiers active in Iraq…but for what reason ?

^ The 10 Belgian troops were slaughtered because of all the atrocities Belgium and the Belgian people have spewed upon Africa! :lol:

Also, Hewa Bora Airways (Congo) flew to Brussels several times a week as of recent (airplane is impounded in BRU now)

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Muckingfutz, yes that is true what you say. Belgian government in corporation with ohers viciously assassinated Patrice Lumumba...and installed a mad crook par excellence, namely Mobutu, who turned completly mad at the end of his tenure.

:-) I went to school with some of his sons actualla two of them and they were what we called as little boys in Belgium FEU ROUGE "Red traffic lights" they failed all the subject left our St Jean Babpitste de la Salle Boarding school X time per week for "official " reasons in big strech limos and came back with all sorts of goodies the refused to share with us normal boys. U guess we did not even to try to love them as they had no upbringing what so ever. Mobutus bribery and corrupts castles and properties were "finally" seized years ago in Belgium. All this still can not kill my love for Africa where I just spend 10 years in RSA .. where it still "could" become or remain a paradise on earth if there weren't the locals bribed and corrupted taking in the goodies of this world and leaving my black adopted daughter hours with electricity in her home ....

This thread is still alive?

Some people cant just let go!They cant believe the era of free milk and honey is over!Belgium is drowning and without EU handouts it wont last that long.I think belgians may end up going back to Congo to look for jobs (I will be happy to employ some of them as labourers!),very much like the 100000s of hopeless and jobless portugueses in angola.

Manicongo5, I think you have eyes but you don't want to see.
When the Belgian were there the country was clean, had nice buildings and streets, good schools, hospitals, the people were nicely dressed,....
Now its dirty and everything has been destroyed.
Its a shame, Congo could be the richest country in Africa.
You can say what you want, it was much better when the Belgians were there.
But thats the problem in most African countries, dictators are ruling and put all the money in their own pocket in stead of helping their people.

I think you have eyes but you don't want to see.

Well, don't be too fast dude. You have eyes as well, but you don't want to see either.

You can't see that most Congolese don't give a crap about Belgium and don't want Belgians going to their country.

[QUOTE = fortportal; 53580943]
Dommage, le Congo pourrait être le pays le plus riche en Afrique.
Vous pouvez dire ce que vous voulez, il était beaucoup mieux quand les Belges y étaient.
. [/ QUOTE]

Et comment tu peux savoir ca ? Tu as vécu l'époque colonial COngo Belge ?
A l'époque de colonial, c'est exactement pareil qu'en Afrique du sud au temps d'apartheid, c'est une répétition de guerre civile, de répression des greves,....
les Belges passent leurs temps à fumer le cigare et regardent les locaux de haut et de mépris. Imagine un francais comme moi te regarde de haut parce qsue ton pays, c'est rien du tout, pas d'histoire, un pays artificiel crée par la conférence de Londres en 1830 et a choisi un roi venu de Grece : Léopold et une femme à épouser venu de France.

Je ne te raconte pas les conneries que Roi Léopold II a fait au Congo.
S'il y a une guerre au Congo, c'est parce qu'il y a bcp ressource naturelle que les occidentaux en ont besoin. Pour eviter ce pays développe, les occidentaux font pour, par exemple vendre les armes.
Les beaux bvatiments, les beaux immeubles que les belges ont construit ce n'est pour seulement et seuls les colons à l'époque colonial. Et meme lendemain de l'Indépencance,les belges conrolent encor le pays juqu'à la crise de Pétrole.
l'apartheid n'existe pas seulement en Afrique du sud et en Namibie, c'est presque tous les pays colonisés. Un noir entre dans un beau batiment colonial, il se fait tuer sur le champs. Tu le sais ca ?
Les étudiants Africains de l'époque colonial sont obligé d'étuidier en Europe parce que le racisme en europe est bcp moins sévère que leurs propre pays. ce n'est pas bizarre ca ? les Colons ne font ce qu'ils veulent ! regarde par exemple les colons israeliens en Cisjordanie, c'est exactement pareil.

Mobutu et Cie a vécu dans la violence commis par les Belges héritent la violence, les générations suivantes héritent la violence de Mobutu. C'est un cercle vicieux que les congolais ont du mal à s'en sortir. Voila le drame de l'Afrique !
Toi tu es tranquil, tu tasseois derriere ton pc, tu n'a pas vécu la guerre, tu ne connais pas qu'est ce que c'eest de vivrre dans pays ou il y a la guerre ou violence en permance. C'est comme la plupart des occidentaux, vous critiquez sur tout sans vraiment connaitre le sujet. C'est pour cela que les Africains, les Arabes vous en veulent.
Tu te permet pas de dire que l'époque colonial est mieux qu'aujourd'hui. Tu vis dans l'ignorance. dans ce cas il vaut mieux se taire.

Et comment tu peux savoir ca ? Tu as vécu l'époque colonial COngo Belge ?
A l'époque de colonial, c'est exactement pareil qu'en Afrique du sud au temps d'apartheid, c'est une répétition de guerre civile, de répression des greves,....
les Belges passent leurs temps à fumer le cigare et regardent les locaux de haut et de mépris. Imagine un francais comme moi te regarde de haut parce qsue ton pays, c'est rien du tout, pas d'histoire, un pays artificiel crée par la conférence de Londres en 1830 et a choisi un roi venu de Grece : Léopold et une femme à épouser venu de France.

Je ne te raconte pas les conneries que Roi Léopold II a fait au Congo.
S'il y a une guerre au Congo, c'est parce qu'il y a bcp ressource naturelle que les occidentaux en ont besoin. Pour eviter ce pays développe, les occidentaux font pour, par exemple vendre les armes.
Les beaux bvatiments, les beaux immeubles que les belges ont construit ce n'est pour seulement et seuls les colons à l'époque colonial. Et meme lendemain de l'Indépencance,les belges conrolent encor le pays juqu'à la crise de Pétrole.
l'apartheid n'existe pas seulement en Afrique du sud et en Namibie, c'est presque tous les pays colonisés. Un noir entre dans un beau batiment colonial, il se fait tuer sur le champs. Tu le sais ca ?
Les étudiants Africains de l'époque colonial sont obligé d'étuidier en Europe parce que le racisme en europe est bcp moins sévère que leurs propre pays. ce n'est pas bizarre ca ? les Colons ne font ce qu'ils veulent ! regarde par exemple les colons israeliens en Cisjordanie, c'est exactement pareil.

Mobutu et Cie a vécu dans la violence commis par les Belges héritent la violence, les générations suivantes héritent la violence de Mobutu. C'est un cercle vicieux que les congolais ont du mal à s'en sortir. Voila le drame de l'Afrique !
Toi tu es tranquil, tu tasseois derriere ton pc, tu n'a pas vécu la guerre, tu ne connais pas qu'est ce que c'eest de vivrre dans pays ou il y a la guerre ou violence en permance. C'est comme la plupart des occidentaux, vous critiquez sur tout sans vraiment connaitre le sujet. C'est pour cela que les Africains, les Arabes vous en veulent.
Tu te permet pas de dire que l'époque colonial est mieux qu'aujourd'hui. Tu vis dans l'ignorance. dans ce cas il vaut mieux se taire.

:applause:

Un homme simplement intelligent.

Merci beaucoup d'avoir lecture c'est aveugle venue de la Belgique.


Thank you for lecturing the Belgian blind.

Your an intelligent man.

Manicongo5, I think you have eyes but you don't want to see.
When the Belgian were there the country was clean, had nice buildings and streets, good schools, hospitals, the people were nicely dressed,....
Now its dirty and everything has been destroyed.
Its a shame, Congo could be the richest country in Africa.
You can say what you want, it was much better when the Belgians were there.
But thats the problem in most African countries, dictators are ruling and put all the money in their own pocket in stead of helping their people.
What is your problem man?
Who financed and backed the katanga secession?Who killed Lumumba?Who put mobutu in power?Usually I dont like wasting my time with people like you,but I am compelled to do so.What about the 10millions+ congoleses slaughtered by belgians.If belgians are so smart why do belgium relies on EU handouts to survive?I know belgium in and out and I can tell you,I am not impressed.It will takes a well run Congo about 15 years to match and surpass belgium.

What is your problem man?
Who financed and backed the katanga secession?Who killed Lumumba?Who put mobutu in power?Usually I dont like wasting my time with people like you,but I am compelled to do so.What about the 10millions+ congoleses slaughtered by belgians.If belgians are so smart why do belgium relies on EU handouts to survive?I know belgium in and out and I can tell you,I am not impressed.It will takes a well run Congo about 15 years to match and surpass belgium.

The problem is that there will NEVER be a well run Congo.
How many Congolese have been slaughtered since the indépendance?
Much more than when it was a Belgian collonie.
The Congolese don't want the Belgians anymore they prefer the Chinese.
You know why? Because the Chinese they don't care about the daily violance of human rights in Congo.
Just because China is doing the same in their own country.
You will soon see that the Chinese are only interested in your natural richnes.
And what about the daily killings and rape of the Congolese army?
Don't make me laugh, your Kabila is not better than Mobutu.
Your neighbouring country Uganda is doing 1000 times better than Congo.

[QUOTE = fortportal; 53595375] The problem is that there will NEVER be a well run the Congo.
How many Congolese have been slaughtered since the independence?
Much more than when it was a Belgian columns.
The Congolese do not want the Belgians anymore they prefer the Chinese.
You know why? Because the Chinese they do not care about the daily violance of human rights in Congo.
Just because China is doing the same in their own country.
You will soon see that the Chinese are only interested in your natural Richner.
And what about the daily killings and rape of the Congolese army?
Do not make me laugh, your Kabila is not better than Mobutu.
Your neighboring country Uganda is doing 1000 times better than Congo. [/ QUOTE]
Look Fort Portal Uganda stay in your fucking backyard with ur upper lip and lower lip glued to the old Commonwealth cunt, do not visualize about a space that has nothing to do with you. If you want the Belgians to add to that foriegn reign that's creating the nobility in your area kudoos Toyou: banana:: banana: prompts them or better yet re-invite them to ur Uganda. Who are you to dictate? Just shut ur upper and lower lips and keep suckling the cunt.

The truth is realy hurting I see.
By the way, I'm Belgian not Ugandan.
Its easy for you Congolese who are not living in Congo to talk.
Or maybe you are living in Congo but you are rich Congolese who became rich from corruption.
If you were poor Congolese you would see that your leaders only put money in their pocket and don't care about the poor.
What about the millions of poor Congolese in the north-east who are always on the run because of the violance of your rebels and army?
Millions of people are deplaced all the time.
But yes, maybe thats also the fault of the Belgians?
If your leaders used the money they get from donnations for the people, things would be much better.
But no, they prefer to put in in their own pocket.
The African leaders are richer than the European presidents and kings.
The truth is that rich Africans don't care about their poor brothers, they count on the whites to help them.
And thats not only the problem in Congo but in all black African countries.
And don't think I'm racist, my wife is Cameroonian and most of my friends are Africans.
By the way Cameroon has the same problem as Congo, their Paul Biya is also a dictator who is doing nothing for his people.

The problem is that there will NEVER be a well run Congo.

Then leave it to the Congolese, they didn't ask your help. They know their problems and they are the only ones that will solves them.

And who are you to predict that?

How many Congolese have been slaughtered since the indépendance?
Much more than when it was a Belgian collonie.

Your human scum brothers of the colonial times almost exterminated Congolese from the face of the earth.

I know you have pleasure and pride in your human scumming Colonial history.

The Congolese don't want the Belgians anymore they prefer the Chinese.
You know why? Because the Chinese they don't care about the daily violance of human rights in Congo.

BELGIUM WAS ALWAYS BROKE, NO MONEY( Thats the Reason why they Financed KATANGAN SECCESSION and Miserably failed after Katangans themselves Led by the patriotic hero SENDWE launched a counter SECCESSION inside Katanga and the majority of Katanga wanted to stay part of Congo).

Learn history before talking.

BELGIUM WAS ALWAYS BROKE and its not even Belgium that was buying Congolese Copper, Its the Americans and other Euros.

When was the last time Belgium was major client in buying Congolese copper?

Congo is doing business with China and the West. But Belgium started crying and screaming like a child who lost her mother in a big crowd.

Here are facts. Congo never needed and never will need Belgium. Your the ones that Need Congo.

Like your Journalist said a few days ago. Belgium cannot afford to provoke Congo. We have a simple Close your embassies.

Just because China is doing the same in their own country.
You will soon see that the Chinese are only interested in your natural richnes.

We signed business deals with China. China doesn't do anything for free in Congo. and FYI we know they need our minerals. and They know we need their money and Infrastructures.

If you want to do business, your welcome .But if you want to behave with colonial mentality. well, you know where the door is.


And what about the daily killings and rape of the Congolese army?
Keep having illunsions. You see rebels and you classify them as soldiers. How many soldiers did you witness raping women? you can't even prove anything. typical West mentality.

You claim that Congo is doing that, doing this , but you country still wants to work and do business with Congo.

Your hypocrisy can't be hidden . stick to one thing. you can't have it both ways.
Don't make me laugh, your Kabila is not better than Mobutu.
You don't even the difference, your talking for sake of arguing with no point.

Your neighbouring country Uganda is doing 1000 times better than Congo.
Then why don't Belgians go live in Uganda ? why are there still 1000s in Congo?
Why would one wants to live in a horrible country such as Congo when he can easily live in a country that is 1000 times better ?

Your statements shows how much you lack education. Just like the French guy said. You live in ignorance and what you right shows it.

Have a great day Mr.

The truth is realy hurting I see.
By the way, I'm Belgian not Ugandan.
Its easy for you Congolese who are not living in Congo to talk.
Or maybe you are living in Congo but you are rich Congolese who became rich from corruption.
If you were poor Congolese you would see that your leaders only put money in their pocket and don't care about the poor.
What about the millions of poor Congolese in the north-east who are always on the run because of the violance of your rebels and army?
Millions of people are deplaced all the time.
But yes, maybe thats also the fault of the Belgians?
If your leaders used the money they get from donnations for the people, things would be much better.
But no, they prefer to put in in their own pocket.
The African leaders are richer than the European presidents and kings.
The truth is that rich Africans don't care about their poor brothers, they count on the whites to help them.
And thats not only the problem in Congo but in all black African countries.
And don't think I'm racist, my wife is Cameroonian and most of my friends are Africans.
By the way Cameroon has the same problem as Congo, their Paul Biya is also a dictator who is doing nothing for his people.

This is an african forum,what are you doing here?Are you a old belgian geezer fucked up in his HLM and rewinding in his twisted head the good times he had in Congo raping innocent women?You are a bitter and jealousy driven fellow!Why dont you take care of belgium first?Belgium is a tiny country with tiny mentalities that relies on EU charity to survive.That is why the flammands want secession coz the french speaking wallons are lazy,stupids with big mouths.You must thanks your frenchs cousins who back you in the EU.Had it been for germans,you will be dead by now.Get the fuck out of here and go back to you camerounese wife.

My friend, let me tell you that I'm flemish first.
For the rest the only thing I can say is that the way you react only shows that the truth is hurting you.
And your only defence is insulting.
Very strange, when I visit African countries the poor always tell me that their leaders are corrupt people who only care about themselves.
The rich Africans don't blame their leaders because they also live from corruption and cheating just like their leaders.
Thats just the big problem in Africa, some are rich and don't care about their poor brothers while those poor ones have nothing and need to live from 1 dollar a day.
On my trips to Africa poor people NEVER asked me to bring them something on my next visit.
The only people who ask me things like phones, laptops,... are people (police officers and more of that crap) who have a nice house, a car,....
But the only people I help are the poor people in the village because I know they don't need to count on their rich brothers and leaders to help them.
But yes, of coarse for you corrupt people its the fault of the Belgians and not of your crazy Kabila.
And by the way, Belgium is giving more money to the EU than it receives.

My friend, let me tell you that I'm flemish first.
For the rest the only thing I can say is that the way you react only shows that the truth is hurting you.
And your only defence is insulting.
Very strange, when I visit African countries the poor always tell me that their leaders are corrupt people who only care about themselves.
The rich Africans don't blame their leaders because they also live from corruption and cheating just like their leaders.
Thats just the big problem in Africa, some are rich and don't care about their poor brothers while those poor ones have nothing and need to live from 1 dollar a day.
On my trips to Africa poor people NEVER asked me to bring them something on my next visit.
The only people who ask me things like phones, laptops,... are people (police officers and more of that crap) who have a nice house, a car,....
But the only people I help are the poor people in the village because I know they don't need to count on their rich brothers and leaders to help them.
But yes, of coarse for you corrupt people its the fault of the Belgians and not of your crazy Kabila.
And by the way, Belgium is giving more money to the EU than it receives.
You may be bring foods to your family in law in cameroon but ,believe me,congoleses dont give a damn about you.Your obsession with Congo hides envy and jealousy.I dont give a fuck about belgium and belgians.The fact that you excuse the belgians and mobutu but bangs on Kabile proves that you have a hidden agenda.You are married to a cameroonese,why dont you care about cameroon?Congoleses dont like you and dont want you,but you persiste to be accepted by congoleses.I know that belgians dont have any self esteem,but please,make some effort.Europe has produced the most corrupts leaders in history,leaders who married their own sisters or had sex with their own mums.France was once ruled by an italian adventurer(Concinni) coz he succeded to bed the queen.Maybe all the palaces and casttles (versailles,buckingham palace,etc,......) that europeans are so proud of were built for the common people.

Read this my brother.
I can put 50 more reports like that on your beloved country.
Be sure, I love Congo but I feel sad about all the violence and corruption.
Its a shame because Congo has everything to be the richest country in Africa.


Security Council Should Urgently Deploy a Civilian Protection Expert Group
December 13, 2009

Women in Kilambo, near Lukweti, attempt to flee nearby fighting in October 2009. The women were robbed by Congolese army soldiers who forced them to turn back.


2009 Human Rights Watch
Related Materials: "You Will Be Punished"
Eastern DR Congo: Surge in Army Atrocities
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Attacks in eastern Congo
Attacks in eastern Congo
Continued killing and rape by all sides in eastern Congo shows that the UN Security Council needs a new approach to protect civilians. The Security Council should send a group of experts to Congo to kick-start a serious civilian protection plan.
Anneke Van Woudenberg, senior researcher, Africa division(New York) - The United Nations Security Council should urgently act to protect civilians in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo from further atrocities by government and rebel forces and ensure peacekeepers are not implicated in abuses, Human Rights Watch said in a report published today.

The 183-page report, "‘You Will Be Punished': Attacks on Civilians in Eastern Congo," documents in detail the deliberate killing of more than 1,400 civilians between January and September 2009 during two successive Congolese army operations against a Rwandan Hutu militia, the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR).

The report is based on 23 Human Rights Watch fact-finding missions this year and interviews with over 600 victims, witnesses, and family members.

"Continued killing and rape by all sides in eastern Congo shows that the UN Security Council needs a new approach to protect civilians," said Anneke Van Woudenberg, senior researcher at Human Rights Watch. "The Security Council should send a group of experts to Congo to kick-start a serious civilian protection plan."

Congolese army soldiers and FDLR rebel combatants have attacked civilians, accused them of being collaborators, and "punished" them by chopping many to death with machetes. Both sides also shot civilians as they tried to flee or burned them in their homes. Some victims were tied together before their throats were, according to one witness, "slit like chickens." The majority of the victims were women, children, and the elderly.

Human Rights Watch recommended the immediate creation and deployment of a civilian protection expert group that would put forward specific measures to improve strategies to protect civilians in eastern Congo. Alan Doss, special representative of the secretary-general in Congo, will address the Security Council on December 16. The Security Council is scheduled to vote on a renewal of the mandate of MONUC, the UN peacekeeping mission in Congo, on December 21.

Human Rights Watch urged the peacekeeping force to immediately cease all support to the current military operation until clear procedures and the means to implement and evaluate them are put in place to prevent violations of international humanitarian law. Human Rights Watch also called for all commanders with known records of human rights abuse to be removed from operational responsibilities. The procedures and conditions should be made public.

Over the first nine months of 2009, the UN recorded over 7,500 cases of sexual violence against women and girls across North and South Kivu in eastern Congo, nearly surpassing the figures recorded during all of last year, and probably representing only a fraction of the total. Most of the women and girls were gang raped, some so violently that they later died. Many women and girls were held as sex slaves by both the Congolese army and the FDLR for weeks or months at a time; they were raped repeatedly and some were mutilated and then killed by machete or shot in the vagina.

One of the youngest cases of rape documented by Human Rights Watch was of a nine-year-old girl raped by FDLR combatants on January 27 in Ngwilo village, Masisi territory, when she and her mother fled the fighting. The FDLR first raped the mother and inserted a large stick in her vagina causing serious injury which led to her death. When the young girl cried out in distress, the FDLR raped her as well.

"Many UN Security Council ambassadors have visited Congo and expressed outrage at the massive sexual violence," said Van Woudenberg. "Yet rape is increasing - not decreasing - in eastern Congo. That outrage needs to be translated into bold and effective action to help protect these women and girls."

In January the Congolese and Rwandan governments began joint military operations against the FDLR in a five-week operation known as Umoja Wetu. It was followed in March by a second military operation, Kimia II, conducted with the support of the UN peacekeepers, which continues.

The Congolese government said the military operations were intended to bring peace and security to this volatile region, but they have not. Human Rights Watch documented horrific crimes against civilians by the FDLR, the Congolese army, and, in some instances, the Rwandan army, during the military operations. Human Rights Watch investigations link senior FDLR commanders and several Congolese army officers to some of the worst atrocities. Many of the abuses amount to war crimes and possible crimes against humanity.

UN peacekeepers made important efforts to protect civilians in this complex and difficult terrain, Human Rights Watch said. But the peacekeeping force's role as a joint player in the military operations, providing substantial support to the Congolese army, has implicated peacekeepers in the abuses and undermined the mission's primary objective, which is to protect civilians.

The civilian protection expert group should be created to investigate and make specific recommendations regarding civilian protection needs and challenges in eastern Congo, Human Rights Watch said. This expert group should evaluate the circumstances under which attacks against civilians are taking place, the measures taken by peacekeepers to carry out the mandate to protect civilians, and the best ways to bolster these activities.

On November 11, the UN Security Council passed Resolution 1894, which restates the council's pledge "to respond to situations of armed conflict where civilians are being targeted..., including through the consideration of appropriate measures at the Security Council's disposal." Human Rights Watch said that the situation in eastern Congo serves as a test of that commitment.

"The Security Council needs to provide UN peacekeepers in Congo with clear and concrete direction," Van Woudenberg said. "Sending a group of experts and making clear to the Congolese army the conditions under which the peacekeepers will work with its troops can play a crucial role in ending abuses and ensuring that UN peacekeepers are not implicated in future atrocities."

Manicongo5, I think you have eyes but you don't want to see.
When the Belgian were there the country was clean, had nice buildings and streets, good schools, hospitals, the people were nicely dressed,....
Now its dirty and everything has been destroyed.
Its a shame, Congo could be the richest country in Africa.
You can say what you want, it was much better when the Belgians were there.
But thats the problem in most African countries, dictators are ruling and put all the money in their own pocket in stead of helping their people.

Don´t speak to loudly about this topic as one gets automatically classified as a "racist" or some other term....but I know what you mean.

Many countries in Africa would have been better off/more developped by now if colonies or to use more modern terms "protectorates/department/oversea teritories" had remained for two more generations (50 years).

The "developmental phase" of colonialism started very late in SS Africa (Europeans started very late to educate Africans to take up the job well ) as opposed to Asia (one of the reasons why certain countries advanced well after independence over there). They had at least a basis to build upon.

Looking back at Africa, I can see that the countries which are well run today are the ones that cooperated strongly with former colonial powers in one way or the other (Botswana, Cape Verde, Mauritius and Seychelles etc.). They tapped their knowledge for the advancement of their countries...others might call it "neo-colonialism"...but if I had to choose between "neo-colonial" Botswana or Mauritius, on the one hand, or free Guinea-Bissau, CAR etc, on the other hand...I wouldn´t hesitate for a second to dump the latter...poverty for me is the worst "stain in life", it is the worst form of "slavery" to human nature......the latter seemed to have understood the "game"....

Btw, The Belgians planned to give full independence to Congo by 2010 (I read numerous documents about it).

PS: Colonialism as such was bad but what was even worse is that the work has not been finished and decolonisation was unforgivably ill-planned (e.g. socializing Africans to embrace whole-heartedly and work with inherited institutions in a responsible/dutiful and positively "africanized" manner, especially in the administrative sector which is of utmost importance)...or in more scientific terms, insitution-building was only half-hearted , at best, as it was not complemented with locally adapted capacity-building.

I read a lot about this topic because I consider it the root cause why numerous African countries failed miserably after independence.

Don´t speak to loudly about this topic as one gets automatically classified as a "racist" or some other term....but I know what you mean.

Many countries in Africa would have been better off/more developped by now if colonies or to use more modern terms "protectorates/department/oversea teritories" had remained for two more generations (50 years).

The "developmental phase" of colonialism started very late in SS Africa (Europeans started very late to educate Africans to take up the job well ) as opposed to Asia (one of the reasons why certain countries advanced well after independence over there). They had at least a basis to build upon.

Looking back at Africa, I can see that the countries which are well run today are the ones that cooperated strongly with former colonial powers in one way or the other (Botswana, Cape Verde, Mauritius and Seychelles etc.). They tapped their knowledge for the advancement of their countries...others might call it "neo-colonialism"...but if I had to choose between "neo-colonial" Botswana or Mauritius, on the one hand, or free Guinea-Bissau, CAR etc, on the other hand...I wouldn´t hesitate for a second to dump the latter...poverty for me is the worst "stain in life", it is the worst form of "slavery" to human nature......the latter seemed to have understood the "game"....

Btw, The Belgians planned to give full independence to Congo by 2010 (I read numerous documents about it).

PS: Colonialism as such was bad but what was even worse is that the work has not been finished and decolonisation was unforgivably ill-planned (e.g. socializing Africans to embrace whole-heartedly and work with inherited institutions in a responsible/dutiful and positively "africanized" manner, especially in the administrative sector which is of utmost importance)...or in more scientific terms, insitution-building was only half-hearted , at best, as it was not complemented with locally adapted capacity-building.

I read a lot about this topic because I consider it the root cause why numerous African countries failed miserably after independence.
Mr ofooldile,go solve your issues with your black father somewhere else!Your inferiority complex is pathetic.I want to tell to both of you that africa built organized societies 1000years before your europe.Romans who colonize and civilized europe used to consider germanic and gaellic people as the lowest of the lowest.Many officers in the roman army had black wives.But no roman in his right mind would have married a german woman.So mr OFOOLDILE your are becoming an embarassment for igbos people all over the world.

Mr ofooldile,go solve your issues with your black father somewhere else!Your inferiority complex is pathetic.I want to tell to both of you that africa built organized societies 1000years before your europe.Romans who colonize and civilized europe used to consider germanic and gaellic people as the lowest of the lowest.Many officers in the roman army had black wives.But no roman in his right mind would have married a german woman.So mr OFOOLDILE your are becoming an embarassment for igbos people all over the world.

Truth hurts, Mr OR MRS C-O-N-G-O!

.....AND THE ONLY EMBARASSMENT IS THAT VAST PARTS OF AFRICA CAN´T GET ITS ACT TOGETHER AND CEASELESSLY LOOK FOR EXCUSES FOR ITS FAILURE


and please leave that ethnic stuff aside, it is so booooorrrrriiinng!!! Yaaaawnnnn....le disque est rayé...I am perfectly well in what I am and how I was created...I am quite bewildered that this is the only argument certain people in this sub-forum seem to come up with ...but as opposed to you I can look into the mirror and face up to some some bitter and hard facts! Take off that rosy pair of glasses and start working. A hell lot of "work" to do, indeed.

My friend, let me tell you that I'm flemish first.
Well, that explains a lot and i had feelings that you must be Flamish.

The most Flamish Racists compare to Wallons.

For the rest the only thing I can say is that the way you react only shows that the truth is hurting you.
And your only defence is insulting.

Let me give you an advice , Be very careful saying that it was great during when Congo was a colony

Thats very offensive to Congolese. You might get yourself killed. You never know who you talking to.


Very strange, when I visit African countries the poor always tell me that their leaders are corrupt people who only care about themselves.
We know they are idiots and morons and very corrupt. every african knows that. and we know its no one's fault but Africans themselves.

The rich Africans don't blame their leaders because they also live from corruption and cheating just like their leaders.
Thats just the big problem in Africa, some are rich and don't care about their poor brothers while those poor ones have nothing and need to live from 1 dollar a day.
On my trips to Africa poor people NEVER asked me to bring them something on my next visit.
The only people who ask me things like phones, laptops,... are people (police officers and more of that crap) who have a nice house, a car,....
But the only people I help are the poor people in the village because I know they don't need to count on their rich brothers and leaders to help them.

About your corruption this, corruption that. don't teach us what we know. Every country has corrption of some forms, sort (Though i know African corruption is a disease and worst than the rest of the world).

And every country has poor people. there are no saints under the sun.
But yes, of coarse for you corrupt people its the fault of the Belgians and not of your crazy Kabila.

Its never Belgium's fault, that Congo is corrupt.
Its never Belgium's fault, that Congo has had wars and rebellions.

But Belgium is responsible for more than 10 million Congolese deaths in 80 years

And most Congolese don't hate Belgium or Belgians. other than that there wouldn't be any Belgians in Congo.

And I know many Belgians want to go to Congo .

Our History ( We all know what it is) is inseparable. But they will always be tensions and mistrust between the countries people.



Like i said. Don't ever mention to the Congolese that the HUMAN SCUMMING COLONIES was better. (1 congolese might laugh, doesn't mean they agree, another one might do damage).

http://images.morris.com/images/lubbock/mdControlled/cms/2009/09/06/490256109.jpg

I love this execution blade and esp. how they used it.

http://www.ezakwantu.com/Execution%20Congo%2001.jpg

These drawings and a 19th century photograph show ngulu execution swords at various executions. The back side of the blade was used as a machete for cutting. The tensioned tree with rope assured the victims head would be flung far away into the forest at the moment of decapitation. They believed a person remained "aware" for some time after decapitation. As a result, the deceased final sensual experience was flying through the air to meet his or her ancestors.

wrong post!!

Truth hurts, Mr OR MRS C-O-N-G-O!

.....AND THE ONLY EMBARASSMENT IS THAT VAST PARTS OF AFRICA CAN´T GET ITS ACT TOGETHER AND CEASELESSLY LOOK FOR EXCUSES FOR ITS FAILURE


and please leave that ethnic stuff aside, it is so booooorrrrriiinng!!! Yaaaawnnnn....le disque est rayé...I am perfectly well in what I am and how I was created...I am quite bewildered that this is the only argument certain people in this sub-forum seem to come up with ...but as opposed to you I can look into the mirror and face up to some some bitter and hard facts! Take off that rosy pair of glasses and start working. A hell lot of "work" to do, indeed.

Have you finished with your daily routine?In you twisted mind you think that africans cant do anything without whites.That is why you go around posting silly threads about whites this whites that.But africans built massive civilisations before your germans ancestors.Germans never built a single city until romans colonised them.You should read "la guerre des gaulles" by Julius Ceasar and see how frenchs and germans are described by the romans.Even up to the florence renaissance germans and englishs were considered so savages that italians had a hard time considering them as humans.Europeans kings would borrow money from the jews and spend it on casttles ,women and parties.And when jews ask to be repaid ,these kings would either extermine jews or expell them.So spare me this "white is better" verse!

Look Fort Portal Uganda stay in your fucking backyard with ur upper lip and lower lip glued to the old Commonwealth cunt, do not visualize about a space that has nothing to do with you. If you want the Belgians to add to that foriegn reign that's creating the nobility in your area kudoos Toyou: banana:: banana: prompts them or better yet re-invite them to ur Uganda. Who are you to dictate? Just shut ur upper and lower lips and keep suckling the cunt.

guys lets not fight and dont talk negatively abot uganda cos i will take dat hard.

Have you finished with your daily routine?In you twisted mind you think that africans cant do anything without whites.That is why you go around posting silly threads about whites this whites that.But africans built massive civilisations before your germans ancestors.Germans never built a single city until romans colonised them.You should read "la guerre des gaulles" by Julius Ceasar and see how frenchs and germans are described by the romans.Even up to the florence renaissance germans and englishs were considered so savages that italians had a hard time considering them as humans.Europeans kings would borrow money from the jews and spend it on casttles ,women and parties.And when jews ask to be repaid ,these kings would either extermine jews or expell them.So spare me this "white is better" verse!

As you continue with your confabulations let me post something more on that topic...something that is related to the topic of the thread!


Cities of Belgian Congo and the early years of DRC´s independence (1950´s - 1970s)...also capturing other scences

Kinshasa "la Belle", this is how Congolese call(ed) their nice city.

Gallery showing the late 60´s and early 70´s

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1969_74/005_69.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1969_74/14_69CongoKinSabena003.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1969_74/34_70socobanque_devient_Banque_du_Peuple.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1969_74/49_71_BDP.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1969_74/62_71.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1969_74/80_73_habitation.jpg

he came to Congo for boxing in 1974:cheers:

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1969_74/81_74_foreman.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1974_76/001_74.jpg

1975

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1974_76/10_75.jpg

1950´s

http://www.katembo.be/Ternet_Jacqueline/1/kin07.jpg

1970´s

http://www.katembo.be/Roggen_Pascal/Roggen02.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Roggen_Pascal/Roggen05.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Roggen_Pascal/Roggen08.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Vancolen/Vancolen1/Communion.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Vancolen/Vancolen1/Vancolen01.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Vancolen/Vancolen1/Vancolen29.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Vancolen/Vancolen1/Vancolen31.jpg

the big Market

http://www.katembo.be/Steve_Gosset/1977-021.jpg

hotel

http://www.katembo.be/Steve_Gosset/1978-176.jpg

another hotel

http://www.katembo.be/Steve_Gosset/1985-079.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1977_79/1977ZaireKin%20palais%20nation.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1977_79/1977ZaireKin%20SN.jpg

1960´s

http://www.katembo.be/Vancolen/Vancolen1/Kitona01.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Vancolen/Vancolen1/Kitona02.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Vancolen/Vancolen1/Le_Royal01.jpg

Kinshasa early 1960´s

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben6/images/pold002.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben6/images/pold005.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben6/images/pold009.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben6/images/pold011.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben/images/l%E9o012.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben4/images/l%E9opold003.jpg

very bad quality pictures, residential area/development

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben4/images/l%E9opold021.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben4/images/l%E9opold022.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben5/images/l%E9opold028.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben5/images/l%E9opold039.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben/images/l%E9o023.jpg

the wide open roads are great:cheers:

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben/images/l%E9o014.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben/images/l%E9o024.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben7/images/LPD005.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben7/images/LPD009.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben7/images/LPD006.jpg

1970´s

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben3/images/l%E9o076.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben3/images/l%E9o074.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben3/images/l%E9o078.jpg

late 1950´s and early 1960´s

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben8/images/LPD023.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben8/images/LPD024.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben8/images/LPD028.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben8/images/LPD027.jpg

partial view of the tropical public garden

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben8/images/LPD026.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa_Ben8/images/LPD030.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/matty/images/Untitled-5.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/matty/images/Untitled-9.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/matty/images/Untitled-6.jpg

school photos there are tons of to be found on the net

http://www.katembo.be/Faty/1/images/faty_0044.jpg

public garden 1970´s

http://www.katembo.be/matty/images/Untitled-23.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Fasoul/images/fasoul9.jpg

1974 married couple

http://www.katembo.be/CarlosFerrao/images/carlosrita3.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/CarlosFerrao/images/carlosrita8.jpg


1968

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa/Panichelli/3/Panichelli011.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa/Panichelli/3/Panichelli016.jpg

1977

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1977_79/1977ZaireKin%20parlement.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Kinshasa/Beheyt/012.jpg

1960´s

http://www.katembo.be/Sharp_Steven/2/Leo01.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/alexantoni/images/alex15.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/alexantoni/images/alex13.jpg

some street scene in Kinshasa in the 60´s

http://www.katembo.be/photos_chantal/images/chantal4.jpg

Congolese engineers

http://www.katembo.be/Sharp_Steven/2/Leo02.jpg

standard residential homes

http://www.katembo.be/Sharp_Steven/2/Leo06.jpg



again a pretty clear photos showing Kinshasa in the 1960´s

http://www.katembo.be/Sharp_Steven/2/Leo10.jpg

this looks crazy, don´t ask me what it is

http://www.katembo.be/Jean_Claude_Dubuisson/1/Dubuisson_06.jpg

ship construction :cheers:

http://www.katembo.be/Jean_Claude_Dubuisson/1/Dubuisson_19.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/alexantoni/images/alex16.jpg

Kinshasa car race 1970

http://www.katembo.be/alexantoni/images/alex3.jpg


miscellaneous

http://www.katembo.be/les_cousins/cousins_13.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/les_cousins/cousins_14.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/les_cousins/cousins_16.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/les_cousins/cousins_20.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/les_cousins/cousins_24.jpg

shoe industry in Kinshasa

http://www.katembo.be/safari12matty/Untitled-02.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/safari12matty/Untitled-08.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/safari12matty/Untitled-30.jpg

I have seen many of this type of pics on the net, here is one

http://www.katembo.be/Jacques_1969/images/10m13.jpg

1973

http://www.katembo.be/jacques_kin/images/17k05.jpg

1954

http://www.katembo.be/Beguin_Alain/54_leo05.jpg

street scence in 1955 in Kinshasa

http://www.katembo.be/Beguin_Alain/54_leoregina01.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Beguin_Alain/54_leoregina03.jpg

1958 Kinshasa

http://storage.canalblog.com/97/21/92847/22774415.jpg

Stanleyville or Kisangani under today´s name from 1955-1965

http://www.katembo.be/Stanleyville/images/24013.jpg


http://www.katembo.be/Stanleyville/images/5006.jpg

very monumental building

http://www.katembo.be/Sharp_Steven/Kisantu%20Mayidi%20Sem.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Sharp_Steven/Thville%20Hsg04.jpg

1964

http://www.katembo.be/Stanleyville/Siemons/Papa_Stanleyville_1959-2.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1959_61/1959CongoStanfamille005.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1959_61/1961%20Congo%20Stan%20coktail%20av%20Mr%20Pourbaix.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Equateur/Romeyer_Gaston/1955_015.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Equateur/Romeyer_Gaston/1956_006.jpg

airport in Stanleyville

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1955CongoStanAAdepart002.jpg

partial view of formerly Stanyleyville/Kisangani

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1955CongoStanSite001.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1955CongoStanSocobanque001.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/courteville/STAN%20PANORAMA%202.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1957CongoStansite02.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/courteville/STAN%20OTRACO.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1957CongoStansite07.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1957CongoStansite09.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1957CongoStansite13.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1957CongoStansite14.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1957CongoStansite16.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1957CongoStansite18.jpg

some parade in Kisangani/Stanleyville

http://www.katembo.be/courteville/2/STAN%20CARNAVAL%205.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/courteville/3/STAN%2021%20JUILLET%202.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/courteville/3/STAN%2021%20JUILLET%20ECOLE%20DE%20LATHENEE.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/courteville/3/STAN%20LA%20PLACE%20DU%20CANON.jpg

street scene in Kisangani

http://www.katembo.be/Read_Patrick/1955_58/1958CongoStanexpophoto3mai2.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Sharp_Steven/1/007.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Sharp_Steven/1/011.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Lange_Jean_Marie/Ndeke10.jpg

still Stanleyville/Kisangani 1962

http://www.katembo.be/Georges_Romain/STA001.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Georges_Romain/STA002.jpg


B]Luluabourg/ today Kananga[/B]

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg_ville/images/Lulu006.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg_ville/images/Lulu005.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg_Dave/images/Banque%20centrale.jpg

partial view of the city

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg_ville/images/Luluabourgvue1.jpg

http://www.mokele.be/photos/decolonisation/001.JPG

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Fonteyne_Raymonde/1/Fonteyne_R02.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Fonteyne_Raymonde/1/Fonteyne_R03.jpg

restaurant

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Fonteyne_Raymonde/1/Fonteyne_R08.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Fonteyne_Raymonde/1/Fonteyne_R15.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Fonteyne_Raymonde/Fonteyne12.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Fonteyne_Raymonde/Fonteyne15.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Fonteyne_Raymonde/Fonteyne18.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Fonteyne_Raymonde/Fonteyne19.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Fonteyne_Raymonde/Fonteyne21.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Cardoso_Antonio/cardoso03.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Carto_Orlando/2/002.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/callaerts/16_hopital_europeens.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/callaerts/21_hotel_pax%202%20.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/callaerts/236_1966_fete_ecole_consulaire.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Carto_Orlando/2/1974_Zkin.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Mavrakis/Documents/Mavrakis005.jpg

airport of Kanaga 1959

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg_Dave/1/02_1959.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg_Dave/1/04.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Fonteyne/Fonteyne000.jpg

http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/dites_moi.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Michiels/1952/images/1952_05.jpg

http://www.stiopka.com/Bukavu/cathedrale1.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Fonteyne/Fonteyne001.jpg

city centre of Loloubourg/Kananga

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg_Dave/1/05.jpg



http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Fonteyne_Raymonde/Fonteyne16.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Carto_Orlando/014.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Fonteyne/3/015.jpg

1972


http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Carto_Orlando/5/Mbujimayi%20Fete%20du%20Lions%20Club%20Bal.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Luluabourg1/Carto_Orlando/5/M%20Ditu%20O%20Carto%20et%20Mr.%20Decamp%20avec%20Pinga%20Kasende%201880.jpg


1978 Air Zaire in Kinshasa

http://www.lardc.com/zaire/photos/i1980/kinshasa/zaire%201980_00a%2002.jpg

http://www.lardc.com/zaire/photos/i1980/kinshasa/zaire%201980_00a%2003.jpg

http://www.lardc.com/zaire/photos/i1980/kinshasa/zaire%201980_00a%2013.jpg

International Miss World Contest was held in Congo in 1968

http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/photos3/68/10-68-03.jpg

http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/Elisabethville/08theatre.jpg

street scence in Lubumbashi

http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/BCZ2/katanga2.jpg

hotel photo 1977

http://lubum2.free.fr/jour/kapoya/hotel_karavia.JPG

http://lubum2.free.fr/jour/malobert/Athenee.jpg

http://lubum2.free.fr/jour/malobert/La%20Cathedrale%20vue%20de%20gauche.jpg

1969

http://lubum2.free.fr/jour/prevost/lundi_paques%2069_14_heures.jpg

1980

http://lubumbashi.free.fr/hippique/lshi_hyp_800012.JPG

http://lubumbashi.free.fr/hippique/lshi_hyp_800007.JPG

http://lubumbashi.free.fr/hippique/lshi_hyp_800014.JPG

http://lubumbashi.free.fr/nautique/lactshiangaleleharbour5.JPG

1978

http://lubumbashi.free.fr/jour/taxis.jpg

http://lubumbashi.free.fr/jour/bvdlumumba.jpg

townhall of Lubumbashi

http://lubumbashi.free.fr/jour/hoteldeville1.jpg

1974 in Lubumbashi in colour:cheers:

http://lubumbashi.free.fr/jour/lubumbashitowncentre1.JPG

theatre of Lubumbashi

http://lubumbashi.free.fr/jour/theatrelubum1956.JPG

http://lubum2.free.fr/lumiere/nuit5.JPG

football club

http://lubum2.free.fr/groupe/tpmazembe1.JPG


ok these kinds of photos are incredibly plentiful ,here are just two from

1979

http://lubum2.free.fr/jour/boucher/Email0083.JPG

http://lubum2.free.fr/jour/boucher/Email0077.JPG

some commercial

http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/photos/pub_sabena02.jpg

Kinshasa

http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/BCZ/siegeBCZleopoldville.jpg

The city of Lubumbashi 1962

http://www.katembo.be/Beguin_Alain/62_eville02.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Beguin_Alain/62_eville04.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/Beguin_Alain/62_eville05.jpg

http://www.katembo.be/phpslideshowdivers.php?directory=Beguin_Alain&currentPic=57

Lumbumbashi (1961)..from the other thread

http://www.lardc.com/aveboo/Elisabethville/01couverture.jpg

http://kolwezikat.free.fr/Photos/closset1/ADCollegecoul.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/fa331911/photos/kemps2.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/fa331911/photos/pek2.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/fa331911/photos/elakat2.jpg

guys lets not fight and dont talk negatively abot uganda cos i will take dat hard.
At your pleasure!Who are you by the way?

most of knishasa skyscrpaers are old ! if they were there in belgian congo and the seventies.

What about ENUGU,your hometown?

What about ENUGU,your hometown?

You can find those threads in the Nigerian section...the title´s thread is NOT about Enugu, Lagos, Abuja, Calabar, Yola or wherever.

Thank you for posting Matthias. It did look great.
Can you imagine this was 50 years ago?

guys lets not fight and dont talk negatively abot uganda cos i will take dat hard.

The flemish fuck is in fort portal uganda so if he want's to cure his nostalgia let him begin where the commonwealth head cunt is praised.

Thank you for posting Matthias. It did look great.
Can you imagine this was 50 years ago?

Yes,....this was 50 YEARS AGO, for its most part. Quite unbelievable, frankly speaking.

The cityscape of Maputo, for example, was a lot more modern and developped than Lisbon at that time!

The cities in DRC looked a lot more modern, orderly and claener than today...this is crystall-clear even for people that ONLY want to point to the negatives of colonialism. (I am fully aware of the negative side as well).

Anyway, that era is over! But I don´t have a problem to show pictures from that era as many other sub-forums neither have a problem to show older pics. It only seems to a be such a huge problem in this sub-forum. It is part of urban history and hence has a fully legitimate place on a forum dedicated to urban construction.:)

Alright gentlemen, enough of the fights. we have all proven our points.

Lets resurrects the thread and move on. History is history. Bad or good. We must not forget the bad or otherwise we will repeat it.

Let me put it in perspective for you lost one? 50 years ago your mulato ass would of been aborted by your mother, that right there sums up the level of inclusion of the native population. So keep staring and dwelling into a past that would of likely had you excluded. This old fucks sitting their wanting to connect are nearing there deathbed without a single trace of their existence in the Congo. I drink to that everyday. It's a pride and joy that surpasses any trash litter on the street that can be sweeped and life moves on. That exclusive urban blueprint won't have any place in Congo. All of those bulldozers, road expansion new highrise new homes reflects on the Congo of today none of which is defined by Mr. Fort Portal.

Lets Continue with Congo of the 1970s. When it was Zaire.


RD Congo

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0102cite_kambove.jpg
kambove

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0101cite_kinshasa.jpg
kinshasa.

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0203ecole_ngungu.jpg
Ecole ngungu

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0301clinique_kinoise.jpg
Clinique kinoise

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0302clinique_universitaire_kinshasa.jpg
Clinique universitaire kinshasa

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0303clinique_boma.jpg
Clinique boma

When Zaire was. 1970s.


All these are industries in RD Congo (Zaire)

Cimenterie cimshaba lubudi
http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0602cimenterie_cimshaba_lubudi.jpg

Batiments publics
http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0400batiments_publics.jpg

hopitaux
http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0300hopitaux.jpg

Centres d enseignements
http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0200centres_d_enseignements.jpg

Batiments a usage de bureaux et appartements
http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0500batiments_a_usage_de_bureaux_et_appartements.jpg

Constructions industrielles
http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0600constructions_industrielles.jpg

Constructions diverses
http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0800constructions_diverses.jpg

Route kikwit batshamba bandundu
http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0704route_kikwit_batshamba_bandundu.jpg

Monument heros nationaux kinshasa
http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0808monument_heros_nationaux_kinshasa.jpg

More of Zaire of the 1970s.

All these are industries in RD Congo (Zaire)

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0508immeuble_sedec_kinshasa.jpg
immeuble sedec kinshasa

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0509immeuble_immoshaba_lubumbashi.jpg
immeuble immoshaba lubumbashi

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0510bcdc_gbadolite.jpg
bcdc gbadolite

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0512hotel_karavia_lubumbashi.jpg
hotel karavia lubumbashi

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0513immeuble_snel_gbadolite.jpg
immeuble snel gbadolite

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0514complexe_hasson_mbuji_mayi.jpg
complexe hasson mbuji mayi

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0507inss_gbadolite.jpg
inss gbadolite

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0506cciz_kinshasa.jpg
cciz kinshasa

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0505banque_du_peuple_gbadolite.jpg
banque du peuple gbadolite

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0503immeuble_comimmo_I.jpg
immeuble comimmo I

Zaire 1970s

All these are industries in RD Congo (Zaire)

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0604module_p2_gecamines_kolwezi_stockage.jpg
gecamines kolwezi stockage

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0605usine_goodyear_kinshasa.jpg
goodyear kinshasa

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0612amenagement_lubilanji_II_kassai.jpg
lubilanji II kassai

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0702route_kenge_kikwit_bandundu.jpg
route kenge kikwit bandundu

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0615minoterie_de_matadi.jpg
minoterie de matadi

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0617station_pompage_regideso_lubumbashi.jpg
station pompage regideso lubumbashi

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0606sous_station_sogelec.jpg
station sogelec

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0700routes_et_ponts.jpg
routes et ponts

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0616module_p2_gecmines_kolwezi_electrolyse.jpg
gecmines kolwezi electrolyse

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0613p2_gecamines_kolwezi_usine_oxygene.jpg
gecamines kolwezi usine oxygene

http://www.safricas.com/realisations/0603cimenterie_cilu_lukala.jpg
cimenterie cilu lukala

^^ Courtesy of Congolese forumer YUPES.

The flemish fuck is in fort portal uganda so if he want's to cure his nostalgia let him begin where the commonwealth head cunt is praised.

what is your problem . no one cares this form is about congo . sow why cus uganda what point are you trying to make.

The flemish fuck is in fort portal uganda so if he want's to cure his nostalgia let him begin where the commonwealth head cunt is praised.

Please mind your language. I hope that's not too much to ask from you.

that is one hell of an elaborate way to execute some one:nuts:

that is one hell of an elaborate way to execute some one:nuts:

Thats from Mobutu's Province/State. very militaristic.