The BIG HUGE Copenhagen Ørestad Thread | Projects & Construction [Archive] - Page 3

Kipple

December 18th, 2007, 01:03 PM

All of the following pics are snapped from my balconies:

First up is the magnificent high-rise :) Stævnen:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2739874/large?signature=824+1197978990+05693E84E34A05428C0B3BFBF8C969D5A9BB2AF6

Cab-Inn: (not much to see, but they have made a few concrete walls below groundlevel)
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2739873/large?signature=624+1197979173+060932EA85A94311C3F30143ECFA4FBFB302AC49

The nearly finished Cph. Golfpark Sunset: (one row of balconies missing)
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2739876/large?signature=482+1197979322+6E41242A6A037EB6B9689BE28FCB81136BBAC8B9

And then: THE CITYPARK taa-daa :) www.orestad.dk/byparken

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2739879/large?signature=418+1197979449+9854C2D1BE769C939C776C2CB1185DE0CF9C9DBF

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2739883/large?signature=60+1197979485+18BFFA0BAB8BA881508BDBC394DA5A6B92A017EE

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2739882/large?signature=93+1197979508+D262A4D899E1C008058DCC44DEA7DFB4B3901EF2

Ørestadshuset almost 100% completed:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2739886/large?signature=75+1197979538+D3EBF593B4FE4B93DB62878A7A5CB765E2908F5C

A little glimpse of VM-Bjerget:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2739887/large?signature=928+1197980119+69334027C52AC798FD3C49C3A174A143921B35B3

MORE TO COME..... Hopefully soon.....

Pisling

December 18th, 2007, 01:57 PM

Nice photos, Kipple! Keep 'em coming...

ØlandDK

December 18th, 2007, 02:00 PM

Thanks for the pictures. To bad the Cph. Golfpark Sunset really looks like a commieblock:(

TMG

December 18th, 2007, 02:29 PM

Nice pictures Kipple:)

I have been very skeptic regarding Ørestadshuset, but it looks good.

FREKI

December 19th, 2007, 10:11 AM

Finally something happening on the lawn ( about damn time!!! )

Great pics!

ØlandDK

December 19th, 2007, 12:08 PM

There is a article about the park in todays JP. Don't know if it's also on the homepage.
IMO the park is way to big. I think it's going to look very empty most of the time.

knilaus

December 21st, 2007, 11:48 AM

[juxtaposition]

December 21st, 2007, 03:22 PM

How long has this multiarena business been goin' on now? These ideas seem kind of small for Cph, wasn't the original idea a big one to "compete" with Malmö Arena?

cphdude

December 21st, 2007, 06:00 PM

It may not be a multiarena but according to an article in a national tabloid recently the local football club "Fremad Amager" have applied to the local authorities that they be granted a cheap parcel in Ørestad to build a new stadium. Apparently, they have managed to raise the money for constructing it independently.

If I remember correctly the original plans, before Todi, was to demolish Sundby Stadium, and buid a completey new national arena with 50.000 seats, that woud also double as home court for a joint Amager club (ala fc amager). But they never really got around to it, and the mergers didnt happen.

This probably means that a possible multiarena will have to be included in the plan for the further development of the Bella Center area, which currently plays the host to a lot of underdeveloped areas such as unused parking lots and demonstration cottages. I imagine that the plan will propose to build a multiarena on exactly these areas if at all.
It is in connection with Bella Centeret that theproposed location has always been, and where the local plan alows for it...

EDIT2: Argh - I just read the article to the end and found out that apparently the local authorities have actually put the multiarena on their budget for 2008: 28 million euro have been allocated to assess the feasibility of a multiarena in Ørestad. I imagine that they will compare the proposal put forward by Bella Center and the possibilities for combining it with the stadium proposal and choose the one that looks the most attractive. However, FC Amager state that they don't necessarily see their proposal as having to be tied in with the multiarena. They are probably afraid that their schedule, which calls for completion in 4 - 5 years will be delayed if they get too involved in the potential political catfight about the multiarena (FC Copenhagen - the owners of the national stadium - have already announced that they will not accept any public subsidies for a new multiarena in Ørestad since they didn't get any for the little multiarena they're building on Østerbro next to the national stadium)

28 milion euros on a feasibility studdy?? That sounds insane, if you ask me. Thats a fifth of the entire expected budget for the arena? For a studdy...And why do they even want a studdy? Thay have already given the green light for the arena, Bella Centeret coud start building tomorrow, if they wanted to....

As for fck, for once I woud say, screw that, this is more importent....

Kipple

December 22nd, 2007, 02:26 AM

Hello everyone!

I have made a group on Facebook called "Ørestad - I love it!". Please join it and share photos, news & links.... :banana:

Hoping to see you all there!! :)

FREKI

December 22nd, 2007, 08:24 AM

^Why can't we share the photos, news & links here???

knilaus

December 22nd, 2007, 11:27 AM

knilaus

December 22nd, 2007, 11:33 AM

cphdude

December 22nd, 2007, 12:42 PM

Well the mergers are happening now. Read the article. Sundby stadium will not be renewed by the authorities so FC Amager have decided to apply to build something in Ørestad instead. But perhaps this is just a tactical move designed to push the authorities into doing something about Sundby Stadium anyway..

Yeah, the mergers are happening, but not to the extend people thought. But after doing some reasearch - which granted I should have done in the first place - I now remember that it was Tårnby stadium they wanted to turn into a new national arena, with the city said no..

Certainly Bella Center has always been considered to be the operating partner in a multiarena venture but as Todi states in the article they don't necessarily expect to be on that galley, which is why I bring forward the possibility of the stadium being built on the parcel in Ørestad Syd between the commercial and the residential district.

I dont really see why you are connection those 2 things...Maybe I am missing something?

Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly enough or perhaps the wording in the article isn't precise about what the money will be spent on. Obviously, they won't spend 28 million on a feasibility study alone as the figure is around 4 times larger than the estimated cost of a feasibility study for a Kattegat-bridge.

Well I woud say both you, and indeed the article, is expressing it that way, so hence my wondering. But that would then mean that they have budeget the 28 million euros for the construction. Nice to see it on the budget, but perhaps not enough...

I think Bella Center is busy developing a plan for their entire area (not unlike Tivoli's plan for developing their border area) to fit better into the urban development in Ørestad City. Probably the hotel plans are being integrated into this plan and the multiarena is most likely also being considered for inclusion. I would not be surprised if we see this plan being presented sometime by 2008.

We, the location has, as mention, been clear for a while now, but theymay decide to combine those things, since the hotel plans are delayed andit woud be better to do it al at once. But they have on the other hand set a deadline for the project, ending in 9 days, after which they woud no longer work with the plans...

Kipple

December 22nd, 2007, 08:28 PM

I feel sorry for Copenhagen Golfpark Sunset, because people have been calling it names ;) and therefore i have taken some shots of it now that the exterior is now finished.... That being said i still think we can all agree that it is not the most nice building in the world:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745883/large?signature=273+1198349428+04AE89CF3224F0E040146B77176CF498EBB5ECD5

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745887/large?signature=978+1198349471+B02DE92076C7EFBE24B9FDDA8D60DE91EBEB83E3

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745890/large?signature=216+1198349510+C4EC70A8F7BC598E960A5983AF96078463B11A10

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745888/large?signature=178+1198349533+A787ECA6071B752C657530ECAB1D1793EFB1FFC1

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745899/large?signature=700+1198349557+C9D60B7A60C93297E1DBA0BB75E136AF83BE6ED3

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745901/large?signature=350+1198349574+01DCFEBE71307823ABDA9A2E5F7F68A8707F39EA

Kipple

December 22nd, 2007, 08:32 PM

Loads of trees have been planted: :okay:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745884/large?signature=992+1198349716+B5540D9E5310727DAAF3389847FC27E0EEE17954

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745885/large?signature=55+1198349744+9CD7FDA750F5456EEDEFDD541981D79679353433

Kipple

December 22nd, 2007, 08:37 PM

A darn shame that the sails dont have a lot of different colours, like they did on the renderings. :ohno:

The result of this look a bit boring and depressing to me:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745891/large?signature=596+1198352427+23D277178908CA62F56F4F5C47029899A9E80E1A

Some finelooking curved shapes of the buildings:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745892/large?signature=977+1198352537+33C1E9D6A66CD4690E09FFFFE48F5F2D32AD86BA

Kipple

December 22nd, 2007, 08:40 PM

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745893/large?signature=560+1198352623+891A49255F8A9C676C5DD271A5E82738B3530ADE

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745894/large?signature=501+1198352646+7726971E73048AC3DEE8D1E7980A8A54BAD4F91B

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745897/large?signature=461+1198352710+D14E26EA3A8714916686DB4C2E554446B30B8040

Looking good:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745896/large?signature=995+1198352666+B42A8B73E4BC23AEA92AF3B8C27AB923EE2A928E

Kipple

December 22nd, 2007, 08:42 PM

Yes, its X-mas:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745902/large?signature=933+1198352795+E8A6F5957A5209E4899145D9EAA8BC5E387C009E

Kipple

December 22nd, 2007, 08:44 PM

Funnylooking machines:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745906/large?signature=601+1198352891+9D1E76BE5A4AE28D1164D48872A6556D004542D7

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745910/large?signature=366+1198352918+BA3D61052A254B25C1408AE79972DA695C8D0A45

http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745914/large?signature=549+1198352937+274FA262F0D06684EB43B62BA9E11F3CB4149855

Kipple

December 22nd, 2007, 08:47 PM

Nothing to see:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745923/large?signature=397+1198352978+3C7212FA1D9FF0306F7A1A0C65AC2DB0B46C8A58

I wish you all a merry x-mas!!!

Kipple

December 22nd, 2007, 08:50 PM

^Why can't we share the photos, news & links here???

Of course we should still share here on Skyscrapercity, but we might reach a wider audience on Facebook. Or not!!! ;) :lol:

Made the group for fun, because there was not a group about Ørestaden yet....

FREKI

December 22nd, 2007, 08:54 PM

Good luck - not a member so I'll be hanging here in the meanwhile :)

i still think we can all agree that it is not the most nice building in the world:
http://www.23hq.com/Kipple/photo/2745883/large?signature=273+1198349428+04AE89CF3224F0E040146B77176CF498EBB5ECD5
The Danish dream of the 60's for todays Danes on the go...

Now fully furbished with lovely plastic furnitures in a stylish brown and grey green coloursceme..

And it all comes with a discount on a Citroen 2CV and a hemp basket for that special sunday factory picknicks...

How nice to see history repeat itself... NOT! :|

( for the love of Odin spartle up the gaps and paint that building white ASAP!!! )

Kipple

December 22nd, 2007, 09:19 PM

Funny stuff! ^^ :)

BUT the most interesting point about commieblock is that the building thats going to be built right next to it is going to cover this entire surface:
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5277/dsc000641eo7.jpg

It will not be possible to walk in between the two buildings! It gonna be dark in there, and i guess thats why they put up the lights behind the green-tinted glass.

knilaus

December 23rd, 2007, 08:05 AM

Kipple

December 23rd, 2007, 05:20 PM

A bit of traffic at the Fields parking lot.....
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4890/dsc00101ta7.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4752/dsc00100lz7.jpg

Kipple

December 23rd, 2007, 05:36 PM

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9313/dsc00102pp1.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9524/dsc00104ek2.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7160/dsc00120oj6.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3519/dsc00119jc9.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9787/dsc00105vb5.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9636/dsc00106tm8.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6411/dsc00107cz1.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1944/dsc00112kt1.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2082/dsc00108tg8.jpg

Kipple

December 23rd, 2007, 06:22 PM

Weird stuff! What building is that going to be by the way?

AAB was meant to be building this one (http://www.entasis.dk/dansk/bolig/50+/bill1/frameset1.htm) on the site. But as of now this project is put to a halt.

BTW did any of you see this piece of news??? (in danish)
http://www.oravis.dk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=436&Itemid=900

Kipple

December 23rd, 2007, 06:24 PM

Its gonna be so HUGE..... You cant really see how big :) the size of the area is on the pictures. Notice how irregular/odd the shape of the house is:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1104/dsc00109zy6.jpg

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/6165/dsc00110kj3.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2303/dsc00111vb7.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4209/dsc00113we5.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7805/dsc00114kg9.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2751/dsc00115os3.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8559/dsc00116er6.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7635/dsc00117wj3.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9042/dsc00118yu6.jpg

Kipple

December 23rd, 2007, 06:28 PM

FIELDS 2:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4035/dsc00089zh0.jpg

THE best ;) transport hub in Copenhagen:
Ordinary road, Freeway, Regional train & Metro.:okay:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4746/dsc00088lo0.jpg

Blue Viking

December 24th, 2007, 12:42 AM

Merry christmas everyone! And thank you very much for the pictures, Kipple!

One thing that bothers me are those canals in Ørestad. It could be really cool if they were all connected, and you could sail from Islands Brygge to Ørestad Syd. But as far as I understand that won't be possible.

THE best ;) transport hub in Copenhagen:
Ordinary road, Freeway, Regional train & Metro.:okay:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4746/dsc00088lo0.jpg

Well, it's not exactly the Hongqiao trafic hub :D (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=542316) But it does look nice.

acebone

January 13th, 2008, 08:26 PM

Despite what we hear in the news everyday these days a new project has now started up in Ørestad. It is the site next to Ferring tower owned by Norrporten who also owns the Ferring tower. I cannot find any renderings anywhere but Henning Larsen should be the architect and as far as I know it will be built in the same style as the Ferring tower but only with 8 floors at the highest point. I wrote about the project in October and now it has started up.

This is the only information I can find about it (In Danish)http://www.oravis.dk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=402&Itemid=900#maxcomment2269

mlm

January 13th, 2008, 08:52 PM

Here you go:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ferringny.jpg
(© Henning Larsen Architects)

There something about it in the "year book" on the Henning Larsen website (http://www.hlt.dk)

acebone

January 13th, 2008, 09:18 PM

Thanks

knilaus

January 14th, 2008, 10:52 PM

Fab 5

January 15th, 2008, 12:42 PM

Boring! But if it contains a café I guess it's alright. Would have been nice to have had Hotel Proforma at that square though..

What actually happened to Fladeland's Hotel Proforma project?

knilaus

January 15th, 2008, 01:18 PM

Fab 5

January 15th, 2008, 03:18 PM

OK. Thanks. What a shame.

Jarmo K

January 16th, 2008, 09:01 PM

heeeyhey!

can anyone please tell me if the mountain project (right next to vm husene) by bjarke ingels group has been finished or is it still uc?

any photo updates maybe? (:

ØlandDK

January 16th, 2008, 09:20 PM

Fab 5

January 17th, 2008, 01:17 AM

Just went by it today. It's still U/C and I didn't take any pics (it was to dark for my camera). There are a few pics here: http://www.marklindberg.dk/Default.asp?ID=820 (not sure how new they are though).

Yep, they are still under UC. Work on them continue during weekends and nights - someone seem to have a deadline?;-)
Should be finished by March/April.

Jarmo K

January 18th, 2008, 11:10 AM

alright, thanks guys (: can't wait for it to be ready, have to come to cph then and check it out, and all the other stuff as well, of course!

EDK_DK

January 18th, 2008, 11:56 AM

alright, thanks guys (: can't wait for it to be ready, have to come to cph then and check it out, and all the other stuff as well, of course!

Some photos from Dec 29. With Bjarke Ingels himself in some of the pictures....
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=vm+bjerget

Fab 5

January 18th, 2008, 02:20 PM

Some photos from Dec 29. With Bjarke Ingels himself in some of the pictures....
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=vm+bjerget

BTW: Does anyone know why the building was faced the way it is (with the apartments to the SE)?

Blue Viking

January 18th, 2008, 02:26 PM

^^ I think its because of the VM-houses that are lower in the eastern end. So it's to maximise the amount of sunshine on the lowest levels of the mountain.

Fab 5

January 30th, 2008, 07:29 PM

No news with regard to On : House (in Ørestad Nord) for a long time, however, the other day I saw a huge ad on the project in Børsen - looked like a new design - anyone know?

Blue Viking

January 30th, 2008, 09:43 PM

I was in Ørestad yesterday - and no I don't have a camera :) Seems (small) parts of the Cab Inn are now above ground. Hopefully we will see it rising for real soon! And the Copenhagen Towers are an absolutely massive hole in the ground.

Fab 5

January 31st, 2008, 09:25 AM

No news with regard to On : House (in Ørestad Nord) for a long time, however, the other day I saw a huge ad on the project in Børsen - looked like a new design - anyone know?

Just af follow-up:

Seems like the name of the project has been changed to "Metropolen".

Here is a (small) rendering of the old "On : House":

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6964/kortonhousenv2.jpg

And here is a rendering of the new "Metropolen":

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5083/metropolenxi6.png

C.F. Møller is still behind the latest design. Expected completion: Fall 09.

ØlandDK

January 31st, 2008, 09:45 AM

Another box - but the facade looks kinda interesting even though it's hard to tell from this small rendering. Good find.

Cafo

January 31st, 2008, 08:52 PM

The new design looks a lot cheaper. A sign of the stricter fiscal age we're now in.

knilaus

January 31st, 2008, 08:57 PM

The new design looks a lot cheaper. A sign of the stricter fiscal age we're now in.
At least it has shops at ground level.

Something ingeniously left out of the "boom time" projects of Tuborg Havn, Havnestad and Ørestad City. Resulting in dead residential ghettos.

Fab 5

February 1st, 2008, 10:04 AM

The new design looks a lot cheaper. A sign of the stricter fiscal age we're now in.

Well, I think the redesign also has to do with on-going negotiations with KUA (University of Copenhagen at Amager); KUA is to kickoff their huge rebuilding of the entire old campus soon. That project needs to cooperate with a project at the "Metropolen" site due to the "rambla" feature. The “ON : House” project for sure didn’t do that.

Kipple

February 1st, 2008, 12:17 PM

I have some news, since I wrote to Ørestadsparkering regarding the fully automatic parking facility on Edvard Thomsens Vej, which have been planned to be completed in December 2008. Unfortunately it seems that it has been delayed a little, but at least they are still working on the project. I was afraid that they might have cancelled it or something like that.

These are the pictures I received from them:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4761/dsc00030az2.th.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00030az2.jpg)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6808/dsc00031qh4.th.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00031qh4.jpg)

A few weeks ago i attended a meeting at Arealudviklingsselskabet about the terrible parking situation on Edvard Thomsens Vej (CPH. Golfpark, Sejlhuset etc.). At the meeting i was told that the project mentioned above is not going to be built. The design (thank god) is going to be different and its not going to be an automated parking garage.:lol:

The reason for dropping the automatisation is due to the "blondine"-effect (they said). The automated system would consist of a number of different lanes to enter the system, but there would only be one main entrance from the outside. And apparently one bad driver can block entry to all of the lanes by driving over a curb and getting stuck on the curb. I have made at nice little drawing to make it easier to visualise and explain.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7003/badcarle4.jpg

Kipple

February 1st, 2008, 12:19 PM

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8906/dsc00228qr2.jpg

Kipple

February 1st, 2008, 12:24 PM

From the metro:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5581/dsc00229xd8.jpg

Fields 2:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8189/dsc00224bo9.jpg

CPH. Towers:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1739/dsc00225xz8.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6281/dsc00226nq8.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8643/dsc00227ua7.jpg

SORRY ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PICTURES! :(

CBR

February 1st, 2008, 12:26 PM

Yes I noticed the information about the automated parking garage project not being built on orestad.dk. However they didn't go into details about the reasons behind not building it. So thanks for the explanation.

I think it's terrible that they didn't realize these problems until now.. The parking garage was supposed to be ready later this year, and they have been delaying it some time already. And now they have to start over with a new project before they get started. Considering the parking problems out here, it's really a huge disappointment!

But anyway, how did you get to attend that meeting at Arealudviklingsselskabet? And do you have any more information about the parking situation in general out here, perhaps there was some more interesting information at the meeting?

And do you know the estimated time frame for the new parking garage project?

Thanks!

Best regards,
CBR

A few weeks ago i attended a meeting at Arealudviklingsselskabet about the terrible parking situation on Edvard Thomsens Vej (CPH. Golfpark, Sejlhuset etc.). At the meeting i was told that the project mentioned above is not going to be built. The design (thank god) is going to be different and its not going to be an automated parking garage.:lol:

The reason for dropping the automatisation is due to the "blondine"-effect (they said). The automated system would consist of a number of different lanes to enter the system, but there would only be one main entrance from the outside. And apparently one bad driver can block entry to all of the lanes by driving over a curb and getting stuck on the curb. I have made at nice little drawing to make it easier to visualise and explain.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7003/badcarle4.jpg

Kipple

February 1st, 2008, 12:30 PM

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/379/dsc00235ka5.jpg

I like the coloured window-frames quite a lot. Quite similar to the colours on VM-husene.

Kipple

February 1st, 2008, 12:39 PM

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6702/dsc00240ir2.jpg

FREKI

February 2nd, 2008, 09:09 AM

From the metro:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5581/dsc00229xd8.jpg
Awesome shot!

And great pics - thanks for sharing, I rarely go there in the winter and it's nice to stay updated! :)

knilaus

February 5th, 2008, 01:41 PM

Trigga

February 5th, 2008, 02:45 PM

knilaus

February 5th, 2008, 03:36 PM

Is there any news on how the 2nd stage of Fields is gonna look like? I saw that they are building parking lots now, but I haven't heard any news on the high-rise etc. Please let me know, if you know anything at all :)

Paraphrased reply to knilaus by Anne Jensen @ C. F. Møller on 16 October 2007:
I don't know of any publicly available blueprints of the ongoing Fields stage 2 project. Try contacting the developer.

Paraphrased reply to knilaus by Jens Geppel @ Steen & Strøm (cc'ed to Karen Nielsen) on 17 October 2007:
Please contact our head of business development Karen Nielsen, who may be able to help you with your request.

E-mail from knilaus to Karen Nielsen @ Steen & Strøm on 2 November 2007:
Result: NO REPLY

E-mail from knilaus to Karen Nielsen @ Steen & Strøm on 17 December 2007:
Result: NO REPLY

FREKI

February 5th, 2008, 04:39 PM

^ You should hire some mobsters - people have a tendency to start talking when covered to their neck in cement with a severe risk of becomming a very real part of the foundation :)

Fab 5

February 5th, 2008, 04:40 PM

Paraphrased reply to knilaus by Anne Jensen @ C. F. Møller on 16 October 2007:

Paraphrased reply to knilaus by Jens Geppel @ Steen & Strøm (cc'ed to Karen Nielsen) on 17 October 2007:

E-mail from knilaus to Karen Nielsen @ Steen & Strøm on 2 November 2007:
Result: NO REPLY

E-mail from knilaus to Karen Nielsen @ Steen & Strøm on 17 December 2007:
Result: NO REPLY

The latest I heard is that Steen & Strøm are negotiating with NCC (who are behind the Ørestad Down Town masterplan) on whether to expand Libeskind's plans to also cover field's.

ØlandDK

February 5th, 2008, 06:23 PM

Let's hope that if the fields pt. 2 ground will be included in the Liebeskind masterplans it will still include a highrise. Fingers crossed.

knilaus

February 5th, 2008, 07:31 PM

The latest I heard is that Steen & Strøm are negotiating with NCC (who are behind the Ørestad Down Town masterplan) on whether to expand Libeskind's plans to also cover field's.

But that's a long time ago isn't it?

Kipple

February 5th, 2008, 07:34 PM

Let's hope that if the fields pt. 2 ground will be included in the Liebeskind masterplans it will still include a highrise. Fingers crossed.
I totally agree! The Liebeskind project with a glass-roof hanging over the pedestrian street between Field 1 and 2 will hopefully prove a nice addition to the gargantuan Fields building. Also this move will open up the facade of Fields with other types of shops. Fingers crossed indeed! ;)

Kipple

February 5th, 2008, 07:49 PM

Fab 5

February 5th, 2008, 08:46 PM

But that's a long time ago isn't it?

Six months or so.

Blue Viking

February 5th, 2008, 08:59 PM

The Liebeskind plan is a joint project between S&S and NCC. S&S own the area where they are building now plus the area just west of the current Fields. NCC own the rest, i.e. where Cab-Inn are building and where the two other towers wil be going up. The glass roof and the opening up of Fields will go ahead regardless of ownership.

Fab 5

February 5th, 2008, 10:22 PM

Just found an article about an apparently lurking hotel-crises in Copenhagen. The hotelbranch is expecting strong competition on the market because a lot of new hotels are planned to be built within the next couple of years.
http://www.business.dk/article/20080204/detail/702040047/ (in danish)

The article also includes some nice info about building dates of different Ørestad hotel projects:
# 2009 Cab Inn Ørestaden - 700 værelser
# 2009 Bella Center Hotel 1 - 400 værelser
# 2009 Crown Plaza Hotel - 365 værelser
# 2010 Holistic House Ørestad - 300 værelser
# 2010 Steen og Strøm Fields - 400 værelser

I am not really sure facts with regard to the projects mentioned above are updated and accurate. As I have mentioned earlier Bella Center seems to go ahead with the "full" version of the hotel from day 1 (that is part 1 and 2).
Holistic House, well, I am very doubtful. The same with field's. This project I will try to get some more info on, as many here on the site seem to be particularly interested with it. Radisson SAS Scandinavia, hmm, haven’t really heard any details, just rumors (that have been running for years). Maybe it will just continue receiving a much-needed update and renovation.

acebone

February 6th, 2008, 08:17 AM

knilaus

February 6th, 2008, 08:34 AM

Regarding Holistic House:

Paraphrased reply to knilaus from Jonas Vad Thomsen @ Schmidt, Hammer & Lassen on September 14th 2007:
Unfortunately not any news to tell about Holistic House. It is correct that the project has been a little delayed relative to the original plans and still awaits final commencement. I cannot be more specific at this moment.

Description of project on developer website (http://www.klasihf.is/HolisticHs.html) with information about the companies engaged to deliver advice:
HOLISTIC HOUSE Kaupmannahöfn
Klasi ásamt fleiri fjárfestum vinnur nú að því að hanna og þróa hótel og heilsulind í Örestad. Um er að ræða 300 herbergja hótel með ráðstefnuaðstöðu, spa og líkamsrækt. Stærð byggingar er rúmlega 20.000 m2 og er áætlað að framkvæmdir hefjist 2008.
<..>
Arkitekar eru Schmidt Hammer & Lassen sem meðal annars hafa hannað Svarta Demantinn í Kaupmannahöfn. Um verkfræðihönnun sér Birch&Krogbroe A/S. Verkefnisstjórn er í höndum Muunksgaard plus Andersen.

Fab 5

February 6th, 2008, 10:48 AM

According to this newspaper article (http://jp.dk/indland/aar/article1255670.ece) the cutbacks in the government's recently announced budget for 2008 (yes I know we're a month into the year already - the prime minister thought the polls looked good in the middle of budget negotiations last year and decided to throw caution to the wind, call an election and not give a damn about proper political procedure) will postpone the construction of the second stage of the Copenhagen University's faculty of the arts. The extension is planned to be built on the existing campus facilities in Ørestad Nord and will be an important backbone in the vision of developing a "rambla style" urban environment as a gateway from Ørestad Nord to the rest of the Ørestad Development.

I am really looking forward to more info with regard to this. The report is not very detailed on the plans and KUA is very far into the process already with regard to moving around and so forth (a process they have spent years on planning). I think there is uproar out there today.
Moreover, what about Musikkens Hus in Ålborg?!? Years have been spent planning and discussing, COOP HIMMELB(L)AU has new renderings under way after their master plan. Ålborg must be potentially disappointed.

Fab 5

February 7th, 2008, 09:51 AM

It is great to get all this information form Fab5. Do you by any chance know anything about the project "Himmelhaven" between Porthuset and the high school. It seems like they will start construction soon since they do some drilling there from time to time. However I haven't been able to find any renderings anywhere.

Well, "Himmelhaven" has never been a very publicized project. I think the developers are currently awaiting and that the project is therefore on hold.

acebone

February 8th, 2008, 09:33 AM

From another very reliable source I have just been told that Dades's project himmelhaven will start up in March this year. Despite the threat of recession new office buildings seem to pop up everywhere these days.

I passed VM bjerget yesterday and noticed that they have started to mount the "painted" mountain on the northern side and it seems like it will look awesome. Sorry I did not bring my camera.

Fab 5

February 8th, 2008, 11:04 AM

Fab 5

February 8th, 2008, 09:48 PM

Presenting: The very first mountains of the VM Mountain.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7131/dsc00636kz8.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/213/dsc00637ep2.jpg

Blue Viking

February 9th, 2008, 01:46 AM

I passed VM bjerget yesterday and noticed that they have started to mount the "painted" mountain on the northern side and it seems like it will look awesome

The mountain painting looks good. Great detail for this house and very original!!

Fab 5

February 9th, 2008, 06:07 PM

Hey guys, did you ever work out where the hospital might be placed?
I guess it won't be between Fields and the motorway since it's part of the Liebeskind plan and it seems construction has already started. Interesting pics, Knilaus!:
:lol: :lol:

OK, I see that you have been discussing heavily in the past where a new hospital might be placed in Ørestad. I don't see a definitive answer so here is a catch; it will be placed ON the motorway/railway that eventually will be covered. That's the most current location discussed.

Fab 5

February 9th, 2008, 06:47 PM

With due credit to Blue Viking for the original find in Magasinet KBH I hereby bring you the newly released rendering of the planned corporate headquarters for the Rambøll Group to be erected on the plot east of the metro and just south of the highway to Sweden in Ørestad:
http://www.23hq.com/knilaus/photo/2381229/large?signature=852+1188817212+13F167C1A301D434D56B70BE949408BC28298D70

Just to follow up: Some more renderings on Rambøll HQ.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8489/rambll1lh9.png

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1199/ramblltg2.png

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 04:52 PM

Just to follow up: Some more renderings on Rambøll HQ.

Nice find! Its looking good.

As an addition to Fab5s great pics of the VM-mountain i am gonna post quite a lot of pictures just taken today.

I am only going to show the best ones on this thread. The rest of the pictures can be seen on: http://profile.imageshack.us/user/kipple

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 05:49 PM

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6286/dsc00249aw0.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4650/dsc00259cp5.jpg

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7082/dsc00256qr1.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 05:53 PM

People are moving in. The entrances are facing towards the park.
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6518/dsc00247nd7.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4444/dsc00248nw2.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9219/dsc00254gh5.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 05:59 PM

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2190/dsc00261db8.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8027/dsc00263dq5.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7083/dsc00265yx3.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1276/dsc00273gg9.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/424/dsc00270pd4.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 06:04 PM

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3749/dsc00251mn6.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8237/dsc00266oj9.jpg

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3037/dsc00268jf1.jpg

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9979/dsc00269tt6.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 06:42 PM

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2325/dsc00276yy3.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1536/dsc00277yw1.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8200/dsc00279oy3.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8357/dsc00280rr4.jpg

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5193/dsc00282fi8.jpg

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3716/dsc00283ob2.jpg

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9069/dsc00284yq7.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2872/dsc00287wb0.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1066/dsc00288jm5.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6470/dsc00289wg5.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4898/dsc00292dc6.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1207/dsc00293tc9.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7038/dsc00295ud8.jpg

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8898/dsc00296ca9.jpg

Hmmmm.........
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6710/dsc00297hz8.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6158/dsc00298he0.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7370/dsc00306bw2.jpg

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2424/dsc00308xx9.jpg

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8364/dsc00310px0.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8358/dsc00311nk4.jpg

LoveCPH

February 10th, 2008, 06:43 PM

Looking good :)

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 06:46 PM

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6879/dsc00301wx8.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/151/dsc00303fy8.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9853/dsc00304xd8.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5995/dsc00305rm6.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 06:51 PM

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2678/dsc00312be3.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5783/dsc00314wv7.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3566/dsc00315ws3.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7413/dsc00317oi2.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 07:22 PM

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5589/dsc00307st5.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8522/dsc00318uw3.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8804/dsc00320ok3.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4981/dsc00321wy9.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8447/dsc00322gx5.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 07:24 PM

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5/dsc00324ls3.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3001/dsc00337xg5.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/964/dsc00336la6.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 07:26 PM

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5310/dsc00326th9.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3963/dsc00333ws2.jpg

Fab 5

February 10th, 2008, 07:39 PM

Awesome pictures - thank you Kipple! I guess that we will see most of the northern side covered with "mountains" by the end of this coming week, as the mounting seems to be relatively simple.

Fab 5

February 10th, 2008, 08:08 PM

With regard to the pictures from "Byparken": Although I am happy that something finally is happening to that spot I really had hoped for something more like this (from the Millennium Park in Chicago – my favorite city park in the world):

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9756/artarchintroih7.jpghttp://img220.imageshack.us/img220/24/chicagocityguidega1nq8.jpghttp://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1912/crownfountainmillenniumue0.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/875/p1010252ph3.jpghttp://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2185/ilchicagomillenniumparkue4.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4688/chicago105pe0.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 09:17 PM

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5527/dsc00328ew7.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5766/dsc00329gm4.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1097/dsc00331tx4.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3554/dsc00335jl6.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 09:22 PM

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6904/dsc00338kh1.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9572/dsc00340iw1.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2160/dsc00341nn0.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4930/dsc00342hz1.jpg

Kipple

February 10th, 2008, 09:24 PM

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1540/dsc00343qk9.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5839/dsc00344le1.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7559/dsc00345lh9.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7778/dsc00346my9.jpg

TMG

February 11th, 2008, 08:31 AM

Thanks for all the good pictures kipple:-)

EDK_DK

February 11th, 2008, 11:04 AM

Thanks for the update kipple :)

Btw - Finally Nordkranen has updated their website.
http://nordkranen.globecom.dk/4d/

I like this proposal from BIG: ( Ørestad City) 4D
http://nordkranen.globecom.dk/typo3temp/pics/ff7cd84e20.jpg

Kipple

February 11th, 2008, 11:35 AM

Btw - Finally Nordkranen has updated their website.
http://nordkranen.globecom.dk/4d/

My favorite is the one from Creo Arkitekter. Nice and green + very different from all the other buildings near the park. Its also sort of embrace the park and pull some of the vegetation on to the site.
http://nordkranen.globecom.dk/typo3temp/pics/233d50ea00.jpg

ØlandDK

February 11th, 2008, 02:29 PM

My favorite would be the CUBO arkitekter proposal:
http://nordkranen.globecom.dk/typo3temp/pics/fde9701f01.jpg

But both the BIG and CREO proposals aren't bad either. The hs one is just boring.

I'm btw really looking forward to see what the park is going to look like - think it's very important for the future development in Ørestaden because it's such a large area.

Fab 5

February 11th, 2008, 03:15 PM

The same with field's. This project I will try to get some more info on, as many here on the site seem to be particularly interested with it.

I promised you an answer on field's (BTW: I hope you read my comments to old posts - there might be some interesting points! For instance the proposed location for a possible hospital in Ørestad. This and other threads are running so fast that you have to go quite far back).

Field's is currently constructing 850 new parking spots. No news there. This part of the so-called field's 2 will be ready by DEC 08. After this part of the overall project is done field's will start up the conference/hotel/cinema/shop/business part. This project should be finished by 2010-2011.

ØlandDK

February 11th, 2008, 03:20 PM

^^
Great news. Thanks for the info fab 5.
Let's hope that the plans still includes a highrise.

mlm

February 11th, 2008, 04:31 PM

There is indeed more activity here than there has been for a long time.

I'm having problems keeping updated on all the Ørestad "highrises" (the ones with 12 floors atleast), maybe someone could check if my highrise list is up-to-date for Ørestaden: All new Danish Highrises (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=419588). :)

I suspect some of the ones I have as UC are actually completed now...

Fab 5

February 11th, 2008, 05:42 PM

My favorite is the one from Creo Arkitekter. Nice and green + very different from all the other buildings near the park. Its also sort of embrace the park and pull some of the vegetation on to the site.
http://nordkranen.globecom.dk/typo3temp/pics/233d50ea00.jpg

Am I the only one seeing some resemblance to the old (and scrapped) National Archives by Behnisch Architekten?

Fab 5

February 11th, 2008, 05:51 PM

Thanks for the update kipple :)Btw - Finally Nordkranen has updated their website.
http://nordkranen.globecom.dk/4d/

What is this for a website? Is it some sort of test page? Vingerne and Siloen are both categorized as “FUTURE” projects, whereas Hannemannsparken e.g. is under “UC”. Weird...
Nordkranen.dk is still not updated.

Fab 5

February 11th, 2008, 05:59 PM

Three of the new, larger renderings of Torp's master plan for Ørestad Business Center (I haven't seen them in this forum before):

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1811/obc3bmw7.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7296/obc1b2qp4.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7425/obc2bqy6.jpg

Fab 5

February 11th, 2008, 06:16 PM

Here you go:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ferringny.jpg
(© Henning Larsen Architects)

There something about it in the "year book" on the Henning Larsen website (http://www.hlt.dk)

I found another (little-bitte) rendering of the project:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6961/kayfiskersplads2or2.jpg

ØlandDK

February 11th, 2008, 06:19 PM

If I remember right the Ørestad Business Center renderings have been shown before but thanks for showing them again - I've totally forgot about it.

EDK_DK

February 11th, 2008, 06:35 PM

If I remember right the Ørestad Business Center renderings have been shown before but thanks for showing them again - I've totally forgot about it.

Somehow this thread is getting very confused.
When the "BIG HUGE Copenhagen Ørestad Thread Part 3) open- we should do something similar to what mlm does in his "all new danish highrises thread" a list with all the project in Ørestad with links and so on in it.
And a guy willing to edit and update the frontpage. :)

Perhaps we could use the numbers they use in the "Statusnotatet" for a reference to the different project.
http://www.orestad.dk/index/erhverv/status.htm ( the PDF file)

That way it's also much easier to see what/not has been posted before.

Fab 5

February 11th, 2008, 06:40 PM

Some how this thread is getting very confused.
When the "BIG HUGE Copenhagen Ørestad Thread Part 3) open- we should do something similar to what mlm does in his "all new danish highrises thread" a list with all the project in Ørestad with links and so on in it.
And a guy willing to edit and update the frontpage. :)

That way it's also much easier to see what/not has been posted before.

Well, I went through all the posts in this second part and didn't find them. However, I agree with EDK_DK. Good idea for the future.

knilaus

February 11th, 2008, 09:10 PM

Fab 5

February 11th, 2008, 09:23 PM

This seems very dubious to me when one considers the announced costs of covering up the railway pit between Copenhagen Central Station and Vesterbrogade.

Well, what can I say, that's the most serious location/plan considered for the time being, however, other locations are of course also being discussed. But then again, I personally don't think that we will see a new national hospital in Ørestad. That discussion is off. It is much more likely that we will see some kind of regional hospital being placed there, for instance a new Amager Hospital.

FREKI

February 11th, 2008, 09:37 PM

Three of the new, larger renderings of Torp's master plan for Ørestad Business Center (I haven't seen them in this forum before):

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1811/obc3bmw7.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7425/obc2bqy6.jpg
Now that I like - very nice! :happy:

Thanks! :)

Fab 5

February 11th, 2008, 10:04 PM

Does anyone know how large an area is under discussion for a possible hospital project?

I don't know directly what size of an area is under discussion in Ørestad (but if you take a good chunk of the "covered" motorway/railway you are quickly reaching 30.000 m2 and by building rather high, which is obvious for both types of projects, it is no problem reaching the required size). Below are my best guesses for required size (not “site size”!) for two types of hospitals.

For a new national/main regional hospital: Somewhere between 120.000 m2 and 200.000 m2.

(But one must remember, and I don't think many are aware of this, that the "Rigshospitalet" lost its special status as "the nation's hospital" when the structural reform was carried out in 2007 (however keeping its old name). That might have something to say with potential size for a new "national hospital". Now it is "just" the main hospital in "Region Hovedstaden".)

For a new regional hospital: Somewhere between 50.000 m2 and 85.000 m2.

knilaus

February 11th, 2008, 11:14 PM

Fab 5

February 12th, 2008, 12:14 AM

Fab5 how old is your information about the "on top of the highway" location?

Less than one month (MID JAN 08).

Fab 5

February 12th, 2008, 01:14 AM

Just a short follow-up to your well-written post, Knilaus:

I read your points and arguments. But that plan you are referring to, well, a LOT can still happen and it hasn't in my view been settled fully just yet (there is still rumbling and talks on whether e.g. a new northern block of "Rigshospitalet" is a good idea). Time will tell. Perhaps Vibeke Storm and friends will get better ideas - although a lot of the organizational changes of course are effective as we speak.

With regard to the Ørestad location: I am sorry to disappoint you with my previous post, but for the time being this still seems to be the most agreed-upon site for a potential hospital (and one day, sooner or later, the motorway/railway will be covered with reference to the intentions of the district plan).

Other locations:

Amager Fælled is as far as I know not an option being discussed, although that actually might seem the most logical location for outsiders.

Ørestad Syd, nope, this is a very well planned, mostly residential area. A large hospital would screw up the district plan totally and kick the area almost back to scratch planning-wise. It doesn't matter whether the developers and their projects might be financially under pressure - "Arealudviklingsselskabet" decides. And "Arealudviklingsselskabet" has spent enormous amounts of time on this particular area having learned a lesson or two from Ørestad City. They would not want parts of this area being turned into a large hospital.

The northern part of Ørestad Syd (CT, ØBC, Hannemannsparken)? Well, contrary to the rest of Ørestad Syd this is perhaps an area to be built rather soon. With CT UC and ØBC and Hannemannsparken already largely planned, I just don't think a hospital is going to happen here (although it could be one of the alternative sites being discussed, I must admit).

What's left then (controlling for my earlier stated sizes on hospitals)? Hmm. The old site for the scrapped National Archives? Hmm. Not really. Besides a hospital not really fitting in to the overall feeling, Nouvel's concert hall and DR-Byen (who might want, perhaps paradoxical, to reserve parts of that area for future enlargements), then you suddenly don't have the upper hand when it comes to infrastructure - the motorway is not right by, which is THE argument for placing e.g. a new national hospital in Ørestad.

- And, BTW, what about future enlargements for such a hospital? You have to consider this too.

Kipple

February 12th, 2008, 01:50 AM

The whole hospital discussion is quite interesting i my opinion as well.

This is my suggestion:
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2416/96221051fn0.jpg

This site would even provide the hospital with its own road (in black).

Why not just dump the plan about the crappy cultural site in Ørestad Syd. Who cares about such places anyway??? And whats the point about the concept of having a transition from the city to "Fælleden" at that site????? :crazy2:

Bad joke, eh????

On the serious side i agree with Fab5. A hospital in Ørestad Syd seems to be misplaced considering the current infrastructurel plans.

knilaus

February 12th, 2008, 09:37 AM

knilaus

February 12th, 2008, 09:49 AM

Fab 5

February 12th, 2008, 12:08 PM

So I guess it will end up somewhere on Borups Allé, in Høje Taastrup or perhaps underground in Vedbæk.

I agree, that would be my best guesses too. Ørestad is not first choice just because Telia placed their hub there back in the days when things weren't running so fast. In fact the bunker at Vedbæk seems an interesting place, although there are other development plans for that area too.

Blue Viking

February 12th, 2008, 12:29 PM

I think a hospital on top of the motorway and the railway will be very expensive, and it would be a terrible link between downtown Ørestad and the northern part of Ørestad south.

I'm wondering if this inquiry took place before the presentation of the final hospital plan draft and whether the inflated cost budget of "building on top of the highway" was presented to the politicians as the cost of building in Ørestad "since all the other land had already been sold for other purposes" justifying some political ambition of keeping the main sub-regional hospital in Hvidovre. This is however nothing but a conspiracy theory, which doesn't seem to have any foundation in reality considering that many of the politicians in the regional administration must have some rather good connections to leading figures in what was then the Ørestad Development Corporation.

When it comes to this kind of decision making, hardly any conspiracy theory is too far out. I think it sounds plausible that the real agenda is not to build in Ørestad.

Fab 5

February 12th, 2008, 02:21 PM

I think a hospital on top of the motorway and the railway will be very expensive, and it would be a terrible link between downtown Ørestad and the northern part of Ørestad south.

Just to cut things out:

If one takes point of departure in the following central premise with regard to a new hospital in Ørestad, well, then there are not that many potential sites available:

(I am pretty sure that this is indeed the premise that ”Arealudviklingsselskabet” sticks by)

“A new hospital must ADJUST TO and FIT IN to the already existing planning frame for Ørestad – not the other way around”.

This premise naturally excludes a lot of possibilities. “Arealudviklingsselskabet” is not willing to give up or adjust for instance the very detailed plan on Ørestad Syd (perhaps the most detailed district plan in the history of Denmark).

Supply with other premises on infrastructure and future expansion possibilities, and then you end up with a maximum of three possible locations.

“Arealudviklingsselskabet” would like a new hospital in Ørestad, however, not at all costs. Non-accepted costs would be having to change or make large-scale adjustments to the overall planning frame (and if you start to consider for instance Ørestad Syd you quickly end up having to do exactly that). So they are being creative – and I agree, Blue Viking, a hospital on the covered motorway/railway would not be a good link between Ørestad City and the northern parts of Ørestad Syd, however, such a cost I think “Arealudviklingsselskabet” is willing to discuss and perhaps accept.

Personally I don’t see a new hospital happening in Ørestad (no matter what the size). Ørestad is so far already into the planning and construction process, that huge creativity is needed for locating a possible site, as the cover-project shows. Besides, there are other and perhaps cheaper and better (with regard to expansion and infrastructure) locations available in Greater Copenhagen. Placing a new hospital on the covered motorway/railway would be extremely costly and technically challenging, I must admit.

knilaus

February 14th, 2008, 11:22 AM

Fab 5

February 14th, 2008, 02:16 PM

According to this notice (http://ted.europa.eu/ojs/tender/da/039352-2008.html) the tender for construction of roads north of Asger Jorns Allé in Ørestad Syd has been cancelled. Does anyone know the background for this decision?

Good find. I guess it just shows that Ørestad Syd is under pressure and things aren't happening as expected 1-2 years ago. These roads are all to the northern part of main Ørestad Syd; an area not to be immediately developed with regard to the current perspective. So the cancellation is just natural, I think. No sites have been sold there yet – so why the roads now? That must be the logic behind.

I guess it also means pushing the planned metro station ("Ørestad Syd") further into the future.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6290/vejnavnexz3.png

knilaus

February 14th, 2008, 02:37 PM

Fab 5

February 14th, 2008, 03:57 PM

Or maybe they managed to find a location for that hospital :lol:

Argh, I don't think so...:nuts:

Blue Viking

February 15th, 2008, 12:23 AM

Besides, there are other and perhaps cheaper and better (with regard to expansion and infrastructure) locations available in Greater Copenhagen. Placing a new hospital on the covered motorway/railway would be extremely costly and technically challenging, I must admit.

They could perhaps extend Ørestad to the west and build a new hospital south of the Railway, east of the motorway from Sjællandsbroen and north of the Øresundsmotorway (E20). That would give great access to the hospital but they would have to build a new station i think.

I can't be bothered drawing a map right now, so I've borrowed Kipples map from above. It would be the area to the left between the yellow and white lines.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2416/96221051fn0.jpg

Fab 5

February 15th, 2008, 01:18 PM

They could perhaps extend Ørestad to the west and build a new hospital south of the Railway, east of the motorway from Sjællandsbroen and north of the Øresundsmotorway (E20). That would give great access to the hospital but they would have to build a new station i think.

I can't be bothered drawing a map right now, so I've borrowed Kipples map from above. It would be the area to the left between the yellow and white lines.

I just don't think we will see a further expansion of Ørestad into the sacred nature.

knilaus

February 15th, 2008, 01:50 PM

Fab 5

February 15th, 2008, 01:56 PM

The area in question is chock-full of shooting ranges. No nature. No hospital.

Argh, I see, he wrote "between"...

Kipple

February 19th, 2008, 12:05 AM

Its time for an update with pics of the deep south.

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Kipple

February 19th, 2008, 12:07 AM

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Kipple

February 19th, 2008, 12:12 AM

I find it difficult to get decent photos of BIG-house, because you really cant see anything of it yet.... Only foundation. But here they are anyway.....

Seen from north towards south:
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Kipple

February 19th, 2008, 12:17 AM

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Kipple

February 19th, 2008, 12:19 AM

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ØlandDK

February 19th, 2008, 12:22 AM

Looks like the getting ahead quite fast with the CPH towers. And that Stævnen is gonna be a bit lonely down there for a while.

nice little update - keep up the good work.

Fab 5

February 19th, 2008, 01:13 AM

Awesome with an update - thanks!

TMG

February 19th, 2008, 08:50 AM

Thanks for all the pictures Kipple:-)

Nice to see the progress for BIG House, CPH Towers and Stævnen. Your pictures of BIG House are good since you get a good impression of the size of the project.

Fab 5

February 19th, 2008, 11:25 PM

Just an update from as of today (BTW: Seems like the fitting of the shelves is taking much longer than expected):

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8066/dsc00638bi2.jpg

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acebone

February 20th, 2008, 08:04 AM

TMG

February 20th, 2008, 09:27 AM

Thanks for the pictures FAB 5:-)

From an architectual view the Concert Hall will be unique and a benefit for Ørestad. Still I can´t understand why a modern broadcastning company like DR wanted a concert hall for primary classic music, and even further how they got the political approval. It should never have been bulid based on public fundings.

Urbanus

February 20th, 2008, 09:38 AM

As a citizen of Ørestad City I am happy to announce that Døgn Netto has put up posters in Parkhusene saying they will open a store there in May. I think this is excactly what Ørestad City needs. There is already a lot of people in the streets during day but they have no other places to go than to their flat, office or Field's. The new shop will get more people into the streets and create better possibilities for other shops and thereby urban life.

There is a rumour saying that a combined flower- and coffee shop will open in Porthuset but this is not confirmed.

That's really good news. Hopefully this will be the first step to create some urban life outside of Field's. And it was about time. For a pretty long time the retail units in Parkhusene have remained empty, and as the time goes, they contributes to the negative spiral. When the area seems dead with empty retail units, closing shops etc., noone else wants to start business there. If shops and retail business is opening and blooming, it's attracts other business as well. Well, there is still a long way to go before I'll call the retailing outside Field's in Ørestad blooming, but this is the first step. Now the ice have broken, and hopefully it can start a positive spiral.

Abd byt the way, Døgn Netto seems like the perfect match for the spot. The shop doesn't seem very big, and probably isn't big enough for a full scale supermarket. The combination of small scale supermarket, discount supermarket and convenience store, that Døgn Netto have created, seems like a perfect combination just across from the high school, and with the many residentials and offices nearby. A more high end combination like Irma City would also be good for Ørestad, but with the many students right there, with the high school, the discounted version like Døgn Netto is probably better right there. Hopefully there will be room for an Irma City some other place in Ørestad, and a full scale supermarket, and maybe also a genuine convenience store like 7-Eleven.

Jarmo K

February 20th, 2008, 09:49 AM

hey.

dezeen.com recently published a small article on the mountain dwellings. read here:
http://www.dezeen.com/2008/02/17/mountain-dwellings-by-big/#more-9663

there's also a cool construction photo, unfortunately very tiny:
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/mtn-big-photographer-dragor.jpg

Kipple

February 20th, 2008, 11:56 AM

Great pics Fab 5!!

Good find jarmo!

And last but not least SIMPLY FANTASTIC story about Døgn Netto!!!! :banana:

Did not spot it myself yet.

Markowitch

February 20th, 2008, 02:34 PM

there's also a cool construction photo, unfortunately very tiny:
http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/mtn-big-photographer-dragor.jpg

That's one cool foto. Those three buildings are among the best in Örestaden!

@TMG. I always thought that DR moved to Örestaden because of political pressure. The sale of land was going very slov and the government began to look how they could move some of there stuff out there to boost the sales. Like Rigsarkivet.

Fab 5

February 20th, 2008, 10:28 PM

BTW: These are from the testing of the projectors on the facade a couple of months ago. Forgot to post them... Looks awesome - this will be one of the main features of the hall. Can't wait to see it on the blue screen and with real, relevant pictures.

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TMG

February 21st, 2008, 10:18 AM

Indeed - it looks awesome, especially when you can see the build from your livingsroom:-)

Does anybody know if the projectors will cover the whole building or just one side of it?

Fab 5

February 21st, 2008, 11:04 AM

Indeed - it looks awesome, especially when you can see the build from your livingsroom:-)

Does anybody know if the projectors will cover the whole building or just one side of it?

I have seen the plan for placement of the projectors; they are supposed to cover pretty much the whole building from different angles (with several placed inside too). However, the projectors have also been one of the features close to being axed. So lets see how many they end up with in the final installment.

TMG

February 21st, 2008, 11:08 AM

Thanks FAB 5 - hopefully it will be from all angles. It will also contribute to be to the benefit for all (us taxpayers) and not just the ones being in the building.

Fab 5

February 21st, 2008, 07:36 PM

Thanks FAB 5 - hopefully it will be from all angles. It will also contribute to be to the benefit for all (us taxpayers) and not just the ones being in the building.

Looking at the revised construction plan I am pretty sure that the project at this point of time is a bit behind schedule once again. That shelve-fitting is really coming along extremely slow (it seems like they are having trouble fitting them taking them down and up again several times), and before that has been finished they can't start preparing for the blue screen - opening is less than one year from now...

Fab 5

February 25th, 2008, 09:14 PM

Exclusively for Skyscrapercity.com: The very first blue screen on Jean Nouvel's Copenhagen Concert Hall (put up as of today):

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1893/dsc00656gg3.jpg

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And an overview of the project in the nice weather:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7116/dsc00658jp8.jpg

Markowitch

February 25th, 2008, 09:26 PM

^^ What's so special about that blue screen?

acebone

February 25th, 2008, 10:10 PM

^^

The blue screen will cover the entire concert hall and will work as a giant screen on which pictures, movies, arts etc. can be projected when it is dark.

Fab 5

February 25th, 2008, 10:17 PM

^^ What's so special about that blue screen?

Just wait and see...

:dance:

ØlandDK

February 25th, 2008, 10:17 PM

:applause:
Finally!

Fab 5

February 25th, 2008, 10:32 PM

:applause:
Finally!

Yeah, that took like forever. BTW: Those screens seem to be vulnerable to vandals with knife or spray...

Blue Viking

February 25th, 2008, 11:10 PM

Fab 5

February 25th, 2008, 11:18 PM

Thanks for the pictures, Kipple, Fab 5 etc. :cheers:

Looks good with those screens. But I wonder if we will ever see the structure of the concert hall now that it will be hidden away behind both glass and blue screens.

That's where the projectors (especially the ones indoor) come into the picture. It is essential for the whole idea of a flying meteor hitting the water to work (resembles features from Miss Smilla, where Nouvel got his inspiration from) that these machines are placed correctly. However, it will still be exciting to see whether the concept will work - it is really the main feature of the concert hall.

Blue Viking

February 25th, 2008, 11:21 PM

But I guess that will only work at night? Or are they planning on some kind of special lighting scheme during the day?

Fab 5

February 25th, 2008, 11:54 PM

But I guess that will only work at night? Or are they planning on some kind of special lighting scheme during the day?

They are not planning a special lighting scheme for daytime. Not that I know of. That wouldn't really work, I think (intuitively).
However, the whole idea of arranging the windows the way they have, <>, is to allow as much light as possible to get through the glass into the foyer, thereby making it possible for outsiders to see the inside-part of the "meteor". They also used special, extremely clear glass to support this. And the blue screen has a very special “density”, that allows an exact and (hopefully) correct amount of outside natural/projector light to get through to the windows, to allow for the “meteor” feature to work (and for outsiders to see inside!). Really, as the main feature of the concert hall, it is the most pre-tested part of the whole project. Nouvel has personally really focused a lot on this.
This should all work - especially from certain angles. But I guess we will just have to see. It could be a bummer too...

And then there is the inside projectors, as previously mentioned…

If you take a walk along “Emil Holms Kanal” it is actually already possible to, under the correct natural light circumstances, to see the intentions work.

But, to actually answer your question, the feature will work best at night. No doubt.

acebone

February 26th, 2008, 03:03 PM

Now it seems like we will have a Millenium Park like piece of art in Ørestad.

However the big egg of steel will not be placed in the city park but in front of DR.

Picture and more text in Danish can be found here:

http://www.berlingske.dk/article/20080226/kunst/80226097/

onetwothree

February 26th, 2008, 09:25 PM

Okay so they build a several billion dollar new studio and concert hall ... And their "new landmark" is going to be a freaking egg? :lol:

Fab 5

February 26th, 2008, 09:47 PM

knilaus

February 27th, 2008, 12:27 PM

Fab 5

February 27th, 2008, 01:58 PM

FYI - the "Stævnen" project in Ørestad Syd has been delayed by 5 months with expected time of completion having been pushed back from September '08 to February '09. This was announced yesterday and it's a real bummer for me as I just sold my flat. So if anyone knows of a way to get hold of a good and cheap rental in the interim I'd be more than happy to take your lead :)

I guess this is what one could call a "planned delay", right?

knilaus

February 27th, 2008, 04:21 PM

Fab 5

February 27th, 2008, 05:17 PM

I assume it must be since it fits nicely within the window where they are exempt from paying fines for late delivery.

I know that they incurred some unexpected delays early on because of Spæncom's inability to keep up with demand for concrete elements. However, they assured the clients in writing that they would accellerate the work to make up for it in the end. At the same time though they postponed by 6 months the time when they would invite us for a materials selection meeting so I'm really wondering if they knew for so long why couldn't they have told us about the delay a bit earlier than two days before the expiration of the contract deadline for informing us about delays?

I have to say my confidence in the reputation of Sjælsø Gruppen took quite a blow by this kind of treatment.

I understand!

Maybe I am wrong, but hasn't early 09 as construction end-date been put forward on www.stavnen.dk for a long time?

The reason why I think the delay is all on purpose is the fact that the speed of work has really come down recently. They worked like hell in the start but then suddenly not much seemed to be happening for quite some time. The project kind of stalled for 4-5 months. And this all together with the general market crisis. I think they have decided that this project doesn't really need to be hurried through as there are still plenty of apartments to sell. "Let's wait for the market to clear up a bit, and allow us more time to sell" seems to be the logic behind.

Blue Viking

February 27th, 2008, 09:35 PM

^^ Bastards! I feel sorry for you Knilaus, although I'm also envious of your new flat (when/if you get it).

They are not planning a special lighting scheme for daytime. Not that I know of. That wouldn't really work, I think (intuitively).
However, the whole idea of arranging the windows the way they have, <>, is to allow as much light as possible to get through the glass into the foyer, thereby making it possible for outsiders to see the inside-part of the "meteor". They also used special, extremely clear glass to support this. And the blue screen has a very special “density”, that allows an exact and (hopefully) correct amount of outside natural/projector light to get through to the windows, to allow for the “meteor” feature to work (and for outsiders to see inside!). Really, as the main feature of the concert hall, it is the most pre-tested part of the whole project. Nouvel has personally really focused a lot on this.
This should all work - especially from certain angles. But I guess we will just have to see. It could be a bummer too...

And then there is the inside projectors, as previously mentioned…

If you take a walk along “Emil Holms Kanal” it is actually already possible to, under the correct natural light circumstances, to see the intentions work.

But, to actually answer your question, the feature will work best at night. No doubt.

Wow, thanks for the explanation. If this doesn't work out the whole nation will be laughing and pointing their fingers at DR. If it works it will be amazing!! I really hope for the latter - this building has the potential of becoming a world class piece of architecture.

Fab 5

February 28th, 2008, 09:20 AM

^^ Bastards! I feel sorry for you Knilaus, although I'm also envious of your new flat (when/if you get it).

Wow, thanks for the explanation. If this doesn't work out the whole nation will be laughing and pointing their fingers at DR. If it works it will be amazing!! I really hope for the latter - this building has the potential of becoming a world class piece of architecture.

Yeah, it will be really interesting to see.

knilaus

February 28th, 2008, 11:15 PM

Fab 5

February 28th, 2008, 11:48 PM

.The fact that they get some secretary to write us a message where they basically say "As you should have known we will be delayed by 5 months. We're going to talk to you again in a year when the handover will be carried out. Oh and as we've said before (no you haven't) we're sorry for the inconvenience." tells me they are maybe a bit lacking in their understanding of the situation that they have placed their customers in.

Thanks for your empathy Fab5 and Blue Viking! :)

You are absolutely right - that letter (and the overall handling) is ridiculous. And getting a secretary to sign............ They are smart, huh? I had gone ballistic, if it had had to cope with that bull.

Fab 5

February 28th, 2008, 11:50 PM

mlm

February 29th, 2008, 12:28 AM

@ knilaus: That must really suck for you. :(

Is there any way you could get out of the contract (if you wanted to)?

Fab 5

March 1st, 2008, 12:53 AM

Yeah, it will be really interesting to see.

Just a follow-up: This is a picture from one of the latest tests of the INSIDE projecting. I personally think it's quite a remarkable picture, because for the first time ever it is possible to see Nouvel's intentions in reality. When I saw this picture I was actually quite amazed, and many of my worries have now gone away with regard to the project. Why? Look at the picture carefully - in the bottom it's actually possible to see the contours of the "meteor" (the plates do the work!). There is not much light on the upper part, however, imagine when light will be projected there too. I think it will work!

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/599/06ad1.jpg

Sorry, I am just blown away. The Copenhagen Concert Hall is my little baby;-) Suddenly I can see the intentions of the original renderings happening, which is quite satisfying. Compare to the rendering below - I begin to see resemblance (the blue screen effect is of course missing in the picture). Awesome.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4983/kkby8.jpg

Markowitch

March 1st, 2008, 01:46 AM

^^ Are these light projections going to be turned on 24/7 or only during nighttime?

Fab 5

March 1st, 2008, 01:46 PM

^^ Are these light projections going to be turned on 24/7 or only during nighttime?

The OUTSIDE projecting will only be on during nighttime, however, not on all nights - perhaps only during events such as concerts. No one seems to have looked into whether residents around the concert hall (primarily from "Boligslangen") will get "blown away" (in a negative manner) by these huge projections. I know this is one of the big imponderables for the construction team's leadership. NIMBY might show his ugly face right there.

For the INSIDE projecting I am pretty sure that it will be on every night until a certain time (perhaps midnight). Perhaps it will also be on during daytime, as the renderings seem to imply. I haven’t heard of daytime, inside testing yet, though.

Markowitch

March 2nd, 2008, 05:12 PM

Blue Viking

March 3rd, 2008, 11:23 AM

Markowitch, you are neither ranting or trolling! You have a perfectly valid point of view, although I don't agree with you.

There are two styles in Ørestad as far as I can see. The (kind of up-scale) commie-blocks and the interesting stuff. Neither are particularly European or American in my opinion, but obsiously it's all modern.

I would have loved to see Ørestad being more "North American" or "Asian", ie. full of super-talls! Unfortunately that won't be the case but hopefully we will get a nice little sub-100 metre skyline out there anyway.

I don't like the idea that a city needs to follow a certain tradition. Real world class cities should offer their citizens variety! So I don't see any need why Ørestad should be build in a certain tradition, European or not.

And about Jakrisborg, I don't know much about it but I already hate it because NIMBYs around here are always referring to it! :D

I have actually managed to get hold of some documents showing the proposed, outside lighting scheme. I can post them here, if you are interested.

Thanks, yes I am interested. That would be great!! :) :cheers:

I did try to subscribe to a DR newsletter about the concert hall, but info has been very slow... well actually non-existent.

Fab 5

March 3rd, 2008, 04:17 PM

Thanks, yes I am interested. That would be great!! :) :cheers:

OK. Here goes. Sorry for the POOR quality, however, I think you are able to see the ideas behind:

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Blue Viking

March 4th, 2008, 12:56 AM

Fab 5

March 4th, 2008, 02:00 AM

Looking at the Örestad is a confusing experience. There is no doubt that a new part of Copenhagen is taking shape, but it resembles nothing the city has ever seen before. Even though its close to the city center, I always get the feeling that Im entering an american city as I exit the metro - without suffering the jetlag.

Örestaden is buildt around a huge shopping mall called Fields, a good example of an eye-turd in my opinion. Ugly on the outside and not-so-ugly on the inside - the american way. The streets in this hybridcity - which in its expression has nothing to do with european culture - are all straight as set with a ruler. Along one of those roads is the metro - an elevated rail, which reminds me of how ugly the metro-rails are in Queens, NYC. Trust me - I prefer the Örestad rail any day.

The houses would have been perfect New York style if they had those ugly steel fire escapes on the outside. Besides that, they look very much like something a New York architect could have been proud of. There is almost nothing European about Örestaden beside the windows. Take this as a challange and provocation - I would be glad if you can prove me wrong.

Some say that architecture is international, that it transcends culture and languages. This certaintly has been the trend for some years and our cities are starting to change form as a result of that. Liberkinds new masterpiece could just as well have been build in NYC, Berlin, London what does he care? The style expression would have been the same.

Meanwhile in Sweden some far out architect has build Jakriborg a modern day copy of an old Hansa city. People love it and modern swedish architects love to hate it. It's nothing but a Disneyworld they say. Old school romanticism, however, in contrast to Örestaden very european - even though its an odd place.

I think its a shame that Örestaden look so american. Where are all the small lovely quirks of european tradition? Örestaden is the Copenhagen Disneyworld - without the entertainment in my view.

End of rant and end of trolling - sorry guys I just had to get it of my chest.

I really don't agree on Ørestad and field's looking American. I have lived in the US and thereby know what their malls look like. And I think field's is architectural-wise pretty far in a positive direction from the standard of US malls – also on the inside.

Also, the whole layout of Ørestad is not very American. Ørestad is much, much more detailed, planned and human. There is not much life, I admit, hopefully, however, that will change in the future.

I do think the future Crowne Plaza hotel by Dissing+Weitling is a bit too American in its facade expression. And D+W is a Danish firm... It is a hotel that resembles too much an ordinary, suburban American hotel.

Some of your points I really like, especially the one with Libeskind as an example.
You are right. It is one of many modern cities' challenges in this century: They all try to differentiate with all kinds of landmark architecture, but while trying to do that, they somehow paradoxically end up looking more or less the same.

These cities all try to present their plans as projects that resemble their existing, “exceptional” city one way or another - often with a historic touch - just as Ørestad Down Town was/is presented. However, I personally don't see the huge coupling to Copenhagen and even Denmark in that particular project (and others as well). It could just as well have been placed in Amsterdam, Hamburg or Paris. These A-league architects are so sought after in these years, and I really think they are more loyal to preserving their brand and unique style than trying to incorporate these with location specific conditions. Doing the latter is much more time-consuming, and many of these star architects are not that idealistic after all. They seem to be rather profit and quantitative focused (of course there are certain exceptions, for instance I wouldn't say Jean Nouvel, Frank Gehry and Tadao Ando are like that, however, people like Steven Holl, Daniel Libeskind and Norman Foster work more or less like that).

BTW: Here are some pictures from American malls...:)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2893/46712325nm2.gifhttp://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2533/65627409wx2.jpghttp://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7726/26608615aj7.jpg

knilaus

March 4th, 2008, 01:45 PM

Pisling

March 4th, 2008, 02:19 PM

Thanks for the update, knilaus. And yes, it looks pretty boring and uninspiring...

Fab 5

March 4th, 2008, 02:31 PM

Does anyone know if this project fits within the overall plan for the area as developed by Entasis?

Hasn't the original concept of "Frikvarteret" been cancelled?

Fab 5

March 4th, 2008, 08:43 PM

Interesting! It was nice of you to post them. I'm not completely sure I understand what is going on, but I don't care as long as the end result looks something like this:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/599/06ad1.jpg

I actually managed to find the contract notice on the projector part:

http://mn.dgmarket.com/eproc/np-notice.do?noticeId=2145469

Now, what I don't like is what it says in the bottom (an update from February 2008): "Projectors. Incomplete procedure. The awarding procedure has been discontinued. The contract may be the object of a re-publication". - Has the projector part been either postponed og cancelled?!?

knilaus

March 4th, 2008, 10:08 PM

knilaus

March 4th, 2008, 10:18 PM

Fab 5

March 4th, 2008, 10:59 PM

That's what your anonymous sources led us to believe, yes. However, the text on the architect's website (http://www.ema.dk/4A360F2C-0006-435D-9E88-483397372443.W5Doc?frames=no&) goes as follows:

This would seem to suggest that the "Karréplan" is still in force as the overall regulations governing the shape of buildings in the area. Perhaps it was the original "market and development concept" for Frikvarteret that was cancelled but not the overall architectural concept?

Good points, knilaus. I cannot remember where exactly I read it, but I am pretty sure it was a representative from Kuben making a statement on the current development of Ørestad Syd. And that they had decided to cancel (or re-plan) their "Frikvarteret"-project.
As you write it seem like they will stick by the original Entasis master plan, but probably change the concept.
It is really hard these days to keep up to speed with what is happening in Ørestad Syd. I wonder whether "Arealudviklingsselskabet" even has a general view...

Fab 5

March 4th, 2008, 11:07 PM

Fab5 I use the EU tender website on a daily basis as part of my work so I have quite a good overview of the tool and how to use it for 'research'. I used my account on the website to generate a list of all EU-tenders related to DR.

According to this list the original request for bids regarding the projectors was announced on December 14th 2007 but was cancelled on February 5th 2008 and on the exact same day a new call was announced for the same thing.

I've seen this done many times by purchasers overseeing an EU tender. It often happens if a) The context for the requirements changes significantly; b) Not enough bids were received; c) A grave error was made in the original tender and more time is needed by the bidders to take into account the changes in the text.

I don't know what took place in this case but perhaps a careful scrutiny of the difference between the originally announced tender (December 14th) and the new text (February 5th) would reveal if any changes have been made to the specifications.

You can find the various documents in question here:
Original tender (http://ted.europa.eu/official/doc/tender/DA/2007293870.html)
Cancellation (http://ted.europa.eu/official/doc/tender/DA/2008030567.html)
New tender (http://ted.europa.eu/official/doc/tender/DA/2008031658.html)

Please notice you need to click on the "Originalsprog" tab in this case to get the full wording as it has only been submitted in English.

In general I would recommend registering for a (free) account at Tenders European Daily (ted.europa.eu) if you're interested in doing general research using the tender announcements. The TED database is the official source and websites like dgmarkets that make money from systematising the output a bit are only to be considered secondary sources.

OK, thank you very much, knilaus. There are basically no differences between the two documents, so I just wonder what happened. Good the project is still going strong though.

Kipple

March 5th, 2008, 08:13 AM

Yes folks, CPH Golfpark parts 3 and 4 seem about to commence....

A sign has been put up on the wooden boards saying that the lot is being turned into a construction site and that people have to move their cars before thursday at 6:00.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2572/dsc00492nv4.jpg

acebone

March 5th, 2008, 08:26 AM

^^

Great news. I noticed some acitivity there when I passed it earlier this morning but I did not see the sign. Great.

Bad times in the construction branch does not seem to have an impact on Ørestad yet. I think there is more projects under construction or just about to start construction than ever before.

UC:
Bjerget
KLP II
Rambøll
CPH Towers I+II
Stævnen
Big House
Cab Inn
Ferring 2
Field's new parking house

Starting construction in March
Himmelhaven
CPH Golf Park III + IV

FREKI

March 5th, 2008, 10:01 AM

I think its a shame that Örestaden look so american.I'm not a piticular big fan of the architectural style outthere either, but the last I think I would say it reminds me of would be America...
Heck if anything I'd say some renovated commie block district in Poland or something..

Anyway I see it as a paintint where so far only a few brushes have been made - it's too early for me to deside if the end result will be good..

If nothing else it will get a little cluster - that alone is enough for me to like parts of it, even if I'm not the biggest fan of the highrises looks..

safta20

March 5th, 2008, 04:26 PM

acebone

March 6th, 2008, 10:31 AM

TMG

March 6th, 2008, 11:12 AM

The project Himmelhaven between Porthuset and the High School has changed its name into Wing House and will go UC in April. There is an article about in Børsen today. It will have ten stories which is 2 more than the the original plans.

Thanks for the info acebone - I just read the article. I like the rendering and especially the curves of the buildnig. Perhaps with it´s 10 floors it will be yet another low high-rise in Copenhagen.

Fab 5

March 6th, 2008, 11:30 AM

The project Himmelhaven between Porthuset and the High School has changed its name into Wing House and will go UC in April. There is an article about in Børsen today. It will have ten stories which is 2 more than the the original plans.

And here's the picture:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6662/billedecf6.png

Fab 5

March 6th, 2008, 11:39 AM

Boring! But if it contains a café I guess it's alright. Would have been nice to have had Hotel Proforma at that square though..

And here's the largest rendering of "Ferring 2" I have seen so far:

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1888/64811480ek2.png

knilaus

March 7th, 2008, 11:19 AM

Fab 5

March 7th, 2008, 03:04 PM

Sinister outlook for the multi arena that was envisioned to be built in Ørestad with public money and backing from Bella Center according to this newswire (http://politiken.dk/sport/article480317.ece)where the eternal pessimist - Arne Bang Mikkelsen - managing director of Bella Center - says that he can't see how he would be able to generate the revenue to pay interest on a necessary loan of 130 million euro to finance the project.

I guess the 200 million of public funding might likely be redirected towards the purchase of a property for a new stadium for FC Amager as previously mentioned in this thread.

For you only, knilaus, an overlay of Ørestad Syd for GE...

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=1127606&page=0&vc=#Post1127606

Sorry for the crappy quality; I just couldn't find any better visualisation of the master plan.

Fab 5

March 7th, 2008, 03:13 PM

This is prolly not the most obvious place to post this link, however, I just wanted y'all to read this article on a new Koolhaas plan for Dubai...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/arts/design/03kool.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin

WOW.

knilaus

March 7th, 2008, 03:27 PM

Fab 5

March 7th, 2008, 05:19 PM

Wow! Thank you very much for your work! I truly appreciate it. I'm impatient to get home and take a look at it. By the way remind me to buy you a beer for the effort if I get the opportunity.

Regarding the source material - I received a 3000 x 2000 pixel image with a rendering of what Ørestad Syd will look like in 5 - 10 years time and I think I reproduced a low res version of it somewhere in this forum. Would your access to the original hi res image in any way improve the quality of the Google Earth rendering? I'll be happy to send it to you in either case.

You are welcome - and yes please, I would like to see that image. Anything is better than a cut-off from the district plan...

BTW: I spoke to a person directly involved in the plans for BIG HOUSE today. As I have previously written LITTLE TOWER hasn't gone UC yet, and I was getting worried it could be a part of the overall project that might get axed or postponed. Well, I was told that isn't the case, really. LT will go UC come April.