The BIG HUGE Copenhagen Ørestad Thread | Projects & Construction [Archive] - Page 4

cphdude

March 21st, 2008, 02:28 PM

Sinister outlook for the multi arena that was envisioned to be built in Ørestad with public money and backing from Bella Center according to this newswire (http://politiken.dk/sport/article480317.ece)where the eternal pessimist - Arne Bang Mikkelsen - managing director of Bella Center - says that he can't see how he would be able to generate the revenue to pay interest on a necessary loan of 130 million euro to finance the project.

I guess the 200 million of public funding might likely be redirected towards the purchase of a property for a new stadium for FC Amager as previously mentioned in this thread.

I know it is heard to view or spin this as something possitive, but I am going to try. Forgive me if my view are clouded by the fact that I really want a multiarena in Copenhagen.

My points.

Several experts have said that when it comes to a multiarena, you dont make money building it, but runing it. In other words, the company that would build it, should also run it in order to make a profit.

That has presented a problem, because so far the logical placement for a big multiarena has been at the location by Bella Centeret. They own the land, they already had intial permits and they of couse have activities to put in the arena, something that would be desperatly needed as we currently dont have a sportsteam or activety that can fill the arena weekly or bi-weekly.

So the Bella Center selution looked like a perfect match, except Bella did not want to pay for the construction of the arena. Well, at least not alone. They tried first to get public funding (it works on almost anything else and most arenas and facilities like that in europe are build with some government funding because they know it will be good for the city) but that did not happen. Then they tried with the city to get different fonds and private companies to help but that did not work either, since many of the didnt want to just pay for the construction, and then watch Bella make the money.

Recently the best possibility came froma AEG and Livenation who said they were both looking at copenhagen for a potential multiarena. They would build it and run it. Both companies have experience building and running multiarenas in europe and both companies were able to provide contence for the arena in tearms of sports and event companies they co-owned as well as exclusive concerts.

But not suprisingly Bella Centeret said no way. If an arena is to be buid here, we have to run it. And so again the idea seams to be dead.

Now however as both Bella Centeret and the city seams to have given up the idea, there is a great opportunity for one of these companies to make a bid for an arena, without having to worry about bella centeret. It would not be impossible to find a cheap plot in Ørestaden (perhaps an upgrade of the land already slated for a small arena) and the city likes the idea so permits should be easy to come by. The city have even said that they will still invest 200 million dkr. in the construction so it should be there for the taking.

But of couse it is all a matter of wether they can see making a profit in the end.

But as I said, it could turn out to be a good thing that Bella Centeret is no longer involved...

Fab 5

March 21st, 2008, 05:08 PM

I know it is heard to view or spin this as something possitive, but I am going to try. Forgive me if my view are clouded by the fact that I really want a multiarena in Copenhagen.

My points.

Several experts have said that when it comes to a multiarena, you dont make money building it, but runing it. In other words, the company that would build it, should also run it in order to make a profit.

That has presented a problem, because so far the logical placement for a big multiarena has been at the location by Bella Centeret. They own the land, they already had intial permits and they of couse have activities to put in the arena, something that would be desperatly needed as we currently dont have a sportsteam or activety that can fill the arena weekly or bi-weekly.

So the Bella Center selution looked like a perfect match, except Bella did not want to pay for the construction of the arena. Well, at least not alone. They tried first to get public funding (it works on almost anything else and most arenas and facilities like that in europe are build with some government funding because they know it will be good for the city) but that did not happen. Then they tried with the city to get different fonds and private companies to help but that did not work either, since many of the didnt want to just pay for the construction, and then watch Bella make the money.

Recently the best possibility came froma AEG and Livenation who said they were both looking at copenhagen for a potential multiarena. They would build it and run it. Both companies have experience building and running multiarenas in europe and both companies were able to provide contence for the arena in tearms of sports and event companies they co-owned as well as exclusive concerts.

But not suprisingly Bella Centeret said no way. If an arena is to be buid here, we have to run it. And so again the idea seams to be dead.

Now however as both Bella Centeret and the city seams to have given up the idea, there is a great opportunity for one of these companies to make a bid for an arena, without having to worry about bella centeret. It would not be impossible to find a cheap plot in Ørestaden (perhaps an upgrade of the land already slated for a small arena) and the city likes the idea so permits should be easy to come by. The city have even said that they will still invest 200 million dkr. in the construction so it should be there for the taking.

But of couse it is all a matter of wether they can see making a profit in the end.

But as I said, it could turn out to be a good thing that Bella Centeret is no longer involved...

My two cents on this matter:

One can look at the matter from an economic perspective or a more branding-wise perspective.

Somehow there is a general belief that a big arena (12.000+ seated spectators) is such a wonderful thing for a city like Copenhagen to have. Politicians continue to yell, "The city needs it desperately". OK. To be honest I am not sure, that I agree. Yeah, it would be great just to have it. It could mean an extra asset when branding Copenhagen, and perhaps it could attract more and larger events. But only perhaps.

If we try to be honest, is the need really there? Sure, there are certain events that could need that sort of capacity - e.g. concerts that potentially capacity-wise lie in between Parken and Forum - but bottom-line: These are not many - annually we are talking about perhaps 6-8 concerts. Nowadays large concerts don’t spark off a lot of income for the respective sites. The competition is fierce, and moreover artists demand huge fees (due to slumping CD sales). These fee-increases cannot just to their full extent be directly passed on to concertgoers.

Income would need to be generated elsewhere - where? Hmm - "SPORTS of course" one would say. OK. Fine with me - but what sports? Handball? Not any game in the national leagues could fill such an arena. Besides: Parken S&E is constructing their own (much smaller one). A championship of some sort would be needed - and those are not around often. Tennis? Copenhagen Open rises from the dead - again: That is one time a year. Indoor soccer?!? Perhaps Bella Center could use it as a supplement to their conference business (if the arena should be situated there).

Bottom-line: From an economic perspective the project is hopeless. Just look around. Hamburg is having trouble getting sound economy out of their Color Line Arena. Even in huge cities like London and Paris mega-arenas are not those great investments, one might think. If such an arena ever was to happen in Copenhagen, it would need to be heavy subsidized one way or another from either the city, the state or a combination thereof. And sorry: The comments from AEG et al., well, I don't see these as anything else than sheer flying a kite finding out where politicians and others stand in this matter. These guys are far from concrete plans on Copenhagen.

Fab 5

March 22nd, 2008, 12:57 PM

The new quarterly status note on Ørestad is out and, as always, it is possible to read on the current development BETWEEN the lines. Here is what I have found:

- It now says TWO public schools in Ørestad will be built. Last time it said THREE.
- A lot of projects, especially in Ørestad Syd, have had their status changed to unclarified. Well, no surprise there really.
- Holl's "T-husene" is now definitively gone, and status of that site has been changed to unclarified too (it might have said that last time too, though).

Kipple

March 22nd, 2008, 05:59 PM

Fab 5; you just beat me with the news about the Ørestad memo....:)

http://www.orestad.dk/status_byggerier_orestad_marts2008_dk.pdf

I have thought for the last six months that 2008 would be a very decisive year for the development of Ørestad Syd. And sadly as Fab 5 points out, a lot of the projects in Ørestad Syd are now put on hold. Currently only three projects are planned: Stævnen, BIG-House and Lake City. I fear that those three complexes might be standing alone in Ørestad Syd for quite some time....:(

The memo also reveals that the Nordkranen project next to Ørestadshuset is going to begin construction in the end of 2008.

- New to me are the renderings of KLP project "Kay Fiskers Plads"
http://www.klp.no/web/klpeiendom.nsf/doc/9A5D9057BC99A46DC12572F1002E627B

http://www.klp.no/web/klpmm.nsf/lupgraphics/faerdigt_billede1.jpg/$file/faerdigt_billede1.jpg

http://www.klp.no/web/klpmm.nsf/lupgraphics/frame15-ext.jpg/$file/frame15-ext.jpg

They look quite nice! I see some similarities with the Plesner tower at Amerika Plads.

- In other news: A sign showing Ørestad Business Center has put up near the freeway on the site.

acebone

March 26th, 2008, 09:38 AM

Winghouse has a new website:

http://www.winghouse.dk

Fab 5

March 26th, 2008, 09:51 AM

Winghouse has a new website:

http://www.winghouse.dk

Thanks, acebone.

Here's some of the pictures:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6048/43051203lg2.png

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8453/65589758mu3.png

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6707/58542195yk7.png

BTW: Didn't know that the name of the small park between "Porthuset" and this project is to be "Pocketparken". That's an awful name: "Kom, vil du med ned og spise frokost i "Pocketparken"...:ohno:

Fab 5

March 26th, 2008, 09:58 AM

New to me are the renderings of KLP project "Kay Fiskers Plads"
http://www.klp.no/web/klpeiendom.nsf/doc/9A5D9057BC99A46DC12572F1002E627B

http://www.klp.no/web/klpmm.nsf/lupgraphics/faerdigt_billede1.jpg/$file/faerdigt_billede1.jpg

http://www.klp.no/web/klpmm.nsf/lupgraphics/frame15-ext.jpg/$file/frame15-ext.jpg

They look quite nice! I see some similarities with the Plesner tower at Amerika Plads.

This project is in fact surprisingly huge: 65.000 m² - much larger than the new HQ of Rambøll. Not sure I like it though - seems a bit boring.

acebone

March 26th, 2008, 10:09 AM

BTW: Didn't know that the name of the small park between "Porthuset" and this project is to be "Pocketparken". That's an awful name: "Kom, vil du med ned og spise frokost i "Pocketparken"...:ohno:[/QUOTE]

The term pocket park is used for all the small "parks" between the houses along Ørestads Boulevard and in the city park and not a name for this specific park.

Fab 5

March 26th, 2008, 10:16 AM

BTW: Didn't know that the name of the small park between "Porthuset" and this project is to be "Pocketparken". That's an awful name: "Kom, vil du med ned og spise frokost i "Pocketparken"...:ohno:

The term pocket park is used for all the small "parks" between the houses along Ørestads Boulevard and in the city park and not a name for this specific park.[/QUOTE]

That was what I thought, however, on winghouse.dk there is a map naming the park somewhat formally "Pocketparken". Just thought that seemed silly.

TMG

March 26th, 2008, 10:48 AM

I really like Winghouse with its curved lines and its slim shape. The KLP-project is boring!

acebone

March 26th, 2008, 03:02 PM

The annual report from Arealudviklingsselskabet is now available here:

http://www.arealudvikling.dk/aarsrapport_2007.pdf

There is a lot of interesting stuff both about Ørestad and Nordhavn. What I find most interesting regarding Ørestad is the part about expectations for the year 2008 where it says that the main focus will be on the development of Ørestad City including the realisation of the Liebeskind plan.

This is, in my opinion, by far the most interesting project in Copenhagen at the moment so I find it very positive that this is the project that is mentioned in the annual report.

Fab 5

March 26th, 2008, 10:06 PM

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2702/img0104xx4.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8356/img0106yz5.jpg

© Fab 5

Jarmo K

March 27th, 2008, 10:40 AM

khewl! but would it be possible to get a close-up shot of the side facade with mt everest... i'm wondering about the material and its texture...

could somebody photographe it, if it is possible to get closer to the site? (:

ØlandDK

March 27th, 2008, 11:14 AM

Don't know what to think of the mountain. Looking forward to see what it looks like when finished.

Anybody know what mountain that is shown on the facade?:)

Jarmo K

March 27th, 2008, 12:38 PM

^mt everest (:

Kipple

March 27th, 2008, 02:46 PM

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1207/dsc00293tc9.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7038/dsc00295ud8.jpg

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8898/dsc00296ca9.jpg

Here you go!

knilaus

March 28th, 2008, 09:16 AM

Jarmo K

March 28th, 2008, 09:40 AM

uuh, had i really missed those mtn photos?! http://www.rada7.ee/pildid/ikoonid/p.gif thanks, kipple!

Fab 5

March 30th, 2008, 01:15 PM

Interesting! It was nice of you to post them. I'm not completely sure I understand what is going on, but I don't care as long as the end result looks something like this:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/599/06ad1.jpg

DR has always been extremely bad at handling the public aspect on the construction of the Copenhagen Concert Hall. Their website on the project seemed almost non-existent for years and they just recently released a new and rather non-informative site with a pretty bad layout. Here is how it should be done (from one of my favourite projects at the moment):

http://www.elbphilharmonie.de/

Fab 5

March 31st, 2008, 04:47 PM

Fab 5

March 31st, 2008, 04:56 PM

According to the agenda for the next municipality TMU-meeting there are now proposals - called flagship projects - for viable city development in the following areas:

Nordhavn
Amager Fælled Bykvarter
Haraldsgade and Sundholmsvej quarter

The agenda states that the development of Nordhavn will have a viable focus (no news there). Haraldsgade and Sundholmsvej quarter will have focus on CO2 reducing initiatives. What is most interesting, however, is the plan for Amager Fælled Bykvarter: This future and last-to-be developed area of Ørestad will need to have a viable point of departure (as Nordhavn) AND be CO2 NEUTRAL. Now that's exciting and really interesting news - will this be the smaller Copenhagen version of the Foster + Partners “zero-carbon, zero-waste” city in Abu Dhabi? Lets hope so.

These concrete initiatives will be presented as exhibitions by the city in connection with the Copenhagen Climate Summit in 2009. With regard to Amager Fælled Bykvarter that probably means a district plan will follow shortly thereafter (2010/2011 as already planned).

Just a follow-up. I managed to find - deep down in the meeting's supplements - the following on the project at Amager Fælled Bykvarter (sorry for it being in Danish):

En bæredygtig og CO2-neutral ny bydel

Mål
I 2015 skal Københavns CO2 udslip være reduceret med 20 % ift.
2005. For at kunne leve op til dette mål ønsker Københavns
Kommune i samarbejde med relevante aktører at iværksætte et
demonstrationsprojekt, der kan give et bud på hvordan man kan
udvikle Amager Fælled Bykvarter som en bæredygtig og CO2- neutral
by. I følge den vedtagne rækkefølgeplan kan Amager Fælled Bykvarter
udbygges i første del af planperioden (2006 – 2011), og planen er derfor at få konkurrencen om byudviklingen i Amager Fælled Bykvarter afsluttet i
2011. Resultatet af udredningsprojektet visualiseres på udstillinger og
formidles under Klimatopmødet samt bruges i det videre arbejde af
byudviklingen af Amager Fælled Bykvarterer.

Aktiviteter
I 2008 udarbejdes en ansøgning til Globaliseringspuljen om
medfinansiering af et udredningsprojekt om en bæredygtig og CO2
neutral udvikling af Amager Fælled Bykvarter. Projektet skal belyse
både økonomiske og teknologiske muligheder for at udvikle et
bæredygtigt og CO2 neutralt byområde.

Projektet skal give et bud på det æstetiske i at integrere f.eks. solceller
i bygningsfacader, udnytte geotermi, udvikle sammenhængende
energisystemer, udnytte overskudsvarme fra erhverv i boliger m.m. og
på mulighederne for teknologiudvikling.

Foruden afdækningen af miljø- og energimæssige bæredygtige
løsninger skal projektet også pege på, hvordan disse løsninger kan
bidrage til at skabe social- og økonomisk bæredygtighed.

Projektet gennemføres i samarbejde med Arealudviklingsselskabet,
der har tilkendegivet, at de er indstillet på, at resultatet af udredningen
indarbejdes i konkurrenceprogrammet for Amager Fælled Bykvarter.

Endvidere anvendes resultatet til videreudvikling af anden generation
af værktøjer til bæredygtig byudvikling i København.

Der afsættes 2 mio. kr. i 2008

acebone

March 31st, 2008, 06:36 PM

That is very good news. Thanks Fab5.

I also have some good news in a much smaller scale but very vital for the further development of Ørestad. The first shop in Porthuset has been rented out and I have heard that it will be a cafe

knilaus

April 1st, 2008, 02:55 PM

knilaus

April 5th, 2008, 05:48 PM

Fab 5

April 5th, 2008, 06:54 PM

Apparently, the "Frikvarteret" project has not been abandoned by Kuben. If you check out a website (http://www.startboligjagten.nu/) set up jointly by Kuben, JM Danmark and Nordicom to promote their participation in the "Bolig&Interieur" fair next weekend you will notice under "Upcoming projects" that "Frikvarteret" is listed as an upcoming project for Kuben in Ørestad Syd. The same goes for JM Danmark, which lists both Skansen and Arkaden as its upcoming projects in Ørestad Syd.

OK. Sounds interesting. I still heard that the project had either been cancelled, postponed, had its concept changed severely or some sort of combination thereof. Just have to see what happens... I guess it is in their interest - given the concept of that particular fair - to present as many projects as possible.

acebone

April 7th, 2008, 08:25 AM

They have started working on the site where the new KPC-byg HQ will be at Vejlands Alle.

Fab 5

April 7th, 2008, 01:02 PM

They have started working on the site where the new KPC-byg HQ will be at Vejlands Alle.

Good news, although that particular building is boring. A new low for Henning Larsen.

mlm

April 7th, 2008, 05:28 PM

They have started working on the site where the new KPC-byg HQ will be at Vejlands Alle.With the risk of being called smallminded, local patriot, or something worse, I'll take the chance and correct your statement to "...the new KCP-byg CPH office...". KPC-Byg is, was, and has always been based in Herning.

But the building is quite boring yes...

Fab 5

April 8th, 2008, 12:57 PM

An article on Steen & Strøm in today's "Børsen" casts a little light on the Field's 2 project; seems like they (S&S) are awaiting approval, before they can go ahead with the cinema, hotel tower and pedestrian street. This, however, I can't understand... The district plan is ready, and have been for years, so what exactly are they awaiting approval on?

EDK_DK

April 8th, 2008, 01:09 PM

ØlandDK

April 8th, 2008, 04:23 PM

^^
Let's hope for that:yes:

acebone

April 9th, 2008, 09:27 AM

With the risk of being called smallminded, local patriot, or something worse, I'll take the chance and correct your statement to "...the new KCP-byg CPH office...". KPC-Byg is, was, and has always been based in Herning.

But the building is quite boring yes...

Sorry:)

TMG

April 9th, 2008, 09:34 AM

Good news, although that particular building is boring. A new low for Henning Larsen.

Yes, the building is boring, but a new low for Henning Larsen Architects? I think that Bølgen in Vejle, the Scala-ground and the courthouse in Viborg shows that they still has something to offer.

Kipple

April 9th, 2008, 12:56 PM

Why risk the danger of heading out into the real world????

NOW there a new feature for those people who would rather want to get the full experience right in their own home!!

May i present: THE WEB-CAM!!!!!!

http://83.89.208.42/view/index.shtml

Also available through www.copenhagentowers.com ;)

Kipple

April 9th, 2008, 01:04 PM

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2757/dsc00585lv1.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/434/dsc00588yl2.jpg

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7537/dsc00590oh2.jpg

ØlandDK

April 9th, 2008, 04:18 PM

Every time I see that park i think: "damn why does that park have to be that big"...The ares really need some urban-feeling imo.

FREKI

April 9th, 2008, 06:02 PM

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7537/dsc00590oh2.jpg Sweet! :drool:

tournesol

April 12th, 2008, 10:41 AM

May i present: THE WEB-CAM!!!!!!

http://83.89.208.42/view/index.shtml

Wow. That's really great with this webcam. Not only is Copenhagen Towers to be seen, but also most of the Rambøll HQ site, and all of Ørestad Syd in the background.
Nice find Kipple :)

Fab 5

April 12th, 2008, 11:11 AM

Yeah, it's really awesome. Thanks Kipple!

Kipple

April 14th, 2008, 12:05 AM

The design of the KLP 3 at Kaj Fiskers Plads has apperently changed:

http://www.klpeiendom.no/web/klpmm.nsf/lupgraphics/3AEksternFraPlads.jpg/$file/3AEksternFraPlads.jpg

News from 2/4-08:
http://www.klpeiendom.no/web/klpeiendom.nsf/$all/4896DE4333B4D31DC12572EB002F5869

The old design can be seen at http://www.gottliebpaludan.com/ and a few posts back :|

Fab 5

April 14th, 2008, 07:50 AM

ØlandDK

April 14th, 2008, 10:51 AM

Like the new facade better but still pretty boring in general.

Fab 5

April 15th, 2008, 06:36 PM

A new model + the previously posted rendering of the "Metropolen" project in Ørestad Nord:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/6258/metropolen1nz2.png

Fab 5

April 15th, 2008, 07:06 PM

The design of the KLP 3 at Kaj Fiskers Plads has apperently changed:

News from 2/4-08:
http://www.klpeiendom.no/web/klpeiendom.nsf/$all/4896DE4333B4D31DC12572EB002F5869

The old design can be seen at http://www.gottliebpaludan.com/ and a few posts back :|

BTW: Everytime I see this project I am just blown away by its sheer size - 65.000 m²! It's really massive - Rambøll's new HQ is "only" 40.000m². I still can't really imagine how they are going to fit such a huge building onto that site.

I guess we are really witnessing a shift away from mainly residential projects to suddenly a bunch of business projects happening in Ørestad (Metropolen, Winghouse, KLP 3, Neroport, CT, Stævnen business part).

knilaus

April 15th, 2008, 07:38 PM

Fab 5

April 15th, 2008, 08:10 PM

They've put up a billboard at Islands Brygge metro station now advertising the project and announcing availability to move in by the end of 2009. I still can't get over how ugly the proposed building is. Can you remind me who designed it? It certainly does nothing to support the "rambla" vision for Ørestad Nord. Well, in any case it'll be nice to get some shops at ground level in that otherwise rather barren location.

I agree, knilaus. The new design is horrible, but surely makes it a much cheaper project to build than the old On:House. However, I still put my trust in the final result only because C. F. Møller is behind.

Back in the days of the original master plan that site was actually planned as a spot for a high-rise. As a spot for a natural and identifying landmark of Ørestad Nord. Don't know what happened to these plans...

Fab 5

April 15th, 2008, 08:31 PM

I agree, knilaus. The new design is horrible, but surely makes it a much cheaper project to build than the old On:House. However, I still put my trust in the final result only because C. F. Møller is behind.

Back in the days of the original master plan that site was actually planned as a spot for a high-rise. As a spot for a natural and identifying landmark of Ørestad Nord. Don't know what happened to these plans...

Below some images from the winning proposal for KUA 2 + 3. In those plans a high-rise (hotel etc.) is shown on the site of the new Metropolen project. I remember such a project was in the pipe-line at some point, but never heard what happened to it. It seemed pretty "hush hush". One day ON:House suddenly surfaced, and now we have Metropolen.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7357/kuamedmetropolendg9.png

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2815/oversigtwj8.png

Zichau

April 18th, 2008, 12:02 AM

That's a good find - I bet it's because it's much cheaper building the project without the copper facade.

They actually have three different kinds of facadesamples put up at the sight. So maybe they haven´t made the final disicion yet.

Fab 5

April 18th, 2008, 12:59 AM

They actually have three different kinds of facadesamples put up at the sight. So maybe they haven´t made the final disicion yet.

OK! Thanks. Do you know the materials?

Zichau

April 19th, 2008, 08:02 AM

OK! Thanks. Do you know the materials?

Well, I haven't been that close to them, but it looks like one of them is kobber. The material on the new rendering might be aluminium and I don't think that is actually cheaper.

Zichau

April 19th, 2008, 09:16 AM

Fab 5

April 19th, 2008, 10:35 AM

Well, I haven't been that close to them, but it looks like one of them is kobber. The material on the new rendering might be aluminium and I don't think that is actually cheaper.

OK. Interesting with the aluminum. For me it looked like (white-)painted panels.
In fact, it could be interesting with bands of aluminum:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1218/c56oh0.jpg

onetwothree

April 19th, 2008, 07:48 PM

I ventured out to Ørestad today (well I passed through) and took some pictures

Stævnen
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m21/evilstarfish/stvnen.jpg

The Ørestad "skyline". Should look a bit more exciting in a few years
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m21/evilstarfish/fields.jpg

And finally, Copenhagen Towers
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m21/evilstarfish/copenhagentowers.jpg

Fab 5

April 19th, 2008, 07:58 PM

Well, I haven't been that close to them, but it looks like one of them is kobber. The material on the new rendering might be aluminium and I don't think that is actually cheaper.

Here is a picture of those three samples for the KLP 3 - the one to the far left is the aluminum sample.
The two others are both of the same material just with different colours - the material is fibre glass or something like that. There is no copper sample out there.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8775/img0387lk4.jpg

knilaus

April 19th, 2008, 08:42 PM

Zichau

April 20th, 2008, 01:59 AM

[QUOTE=Fab 5;19824835]Here is a picture of those three samples for the KLP 3 - the one to the far left is the aluminum sample.
The two others are both of the same material just with different colours - the material is fibre glass or something like that. There is no copper sample out there.

Like I said. I haven't been that close.

Fab 5

April 20th, 2008, 01:20 PM

I was driving around Vestamager etc. yesterday really just chilling and enjoying the awesome weather (BTW: I TREAD on what I believe was a freaking big grass snake; really thick and over 1 meter long - I have lived in Texas and believe me, I have seen snakes there too, however, I was scared by walking onto such a big snake in freaking Denmark...:shocked:)

Well, while biking around I decided to venture into the grounds of the (future) Royal Golf Center. I have been following Mr. Sundberg's plans for a Danish championship and Ryder Cup ready golf course rather close. And from day 1 I have had a strange feeling about this project; there have been several articles on the high ambitions for the course and several articles on its popularity too; how fast the certificates got sold and how many people, who are enjoying the driving range and so on. Yet things have been coming along really, really slow in reality (Sundberg blames the weather, the municipality, the general conditions with regard to water on Amager, the climate and what not). And every time I drive by their driving range and huge parking lot there are almost no one there - it could be me, that just goes by on the wrong days and times - people in this forum living out there: Am I right on this matter?

Well, I ventured into the grounds of the future golf courses... It has from early days of the project been possible to follow its progression through their website and newsletters. According to the latest status the 9-hole course will open this year; the 18-hole course come 2009. There are even some (crappy) pictures showing "shaping" work on-site. Bottom-line: I expected to see an awesome project well under way - a project that has always described itself as an exceptional high-quality, luxurious and high-end golf project - "The International Golf Course in Denmark".
So what did I see? Basically, not a whole lot! One old excavator, some big holes, a lot of trash, broken pipes (I guess part of some sort of a now scrapped drainage system) some huge (and old) piles of dirt, a few trees that had been pruned - all this mixed with the typical (at least in some places) Amagercanian smell of brackish water and HUGE swarms of insects.

What a place for a championship golf course.

That website might say that the 9-hole course will open this year and the 18-hole championship course next year, however, I am skeptical. The area out there looks like cr.. Messy. Seriously, there is just something with regard to this project that doesn't make sense. The way this project is being put forward in the media and the public is really far way from the on-site reality.

Zichau

April 20th, 2008, 10:42 PM

^^They're probably waiting for the hotels.

Fab 5

April 20th, 2008, 10:54 PM

^^They're probably waiting for the hotels.

I don't see a correlation at all.

Nagel

April 21st, 2008, 06:57 PM

Fab 5

April 21st, 2008, 07:38 PM

The snake part cracked me up. BAD :lol: :lol: . Sorry about that. I would have been scared like hell myself. I don't know what a grass snake is in Danish, but over one meter!

I guess it's one of the treats you get by settling in Ørestad: Having Nature in the immediate proximity :)

Even though I don't play golf, having a top class golf course in Copenhagen would rule. I have no clue what the typical Ørestad citizen is like but maybe golf isn't their type of thing. Let's hope for the best though.

Grass snake: "Snog".

Blue Viking

April 21st, 2008, 09:46 PM

^^ :lol: Great story about that snake!!

And finally, Copenhagen Towers
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m21/evilstarfish/copenhagentowers.jpg

Thanks for the pictures StarFish! Is this the second "scraper" in Ørestad actually rising above ground? That would really be a historic moment (for people like us anyway)

Fab 5

April 21st, 2008, 09:56 PM

^^ :lol: Great story about that snake!!

Thanks for the pictures StarFish! Is this the second "scraper" in Ørestad actually rising above ground? That would really be a historic moment (for people like us anyway)

Yep, I have been thinking about that too. Those moulds seem to be placed right where the hotel part should rise.

ØlandDK

April 21st, 2008, 10:06 PM

Just post this again so that I don't have to go tons of pages backwards everytime I want to have a look at it:

http://83.89.208.42/view/index.shtml

knilaus

April 21st, 2008, 10:08 PM

mlm

April 21st, 2008, 10:29 PM

Fab 5

April 21st, 2008, 10:34 PM

/\ Does anyone know how tall (not exactly) the crane is? It's very hard to judge on a night webcam. Does it look like it's "full height", meaning +80m ?

Thought about that too; seems somewhat lower. Don't know what the plan is there. IMO that crane has to be at least 15-20 meters taller.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6128/13767655nj8.jpg

knilaus

April 21st, 2008, 10:41 PM

mlm

April 21st, 2008, 10:44 PM

/\ It's also possible that they'll use those cranes that stands very close to the structure (connected to the structure itself). Those can also be hightend as the tower go up.

Let me try to find a photo of such one...brb...

And here we have one (from Frankfurt back in 2003):

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/towercrane.jpg

Fab 5

April 21st, 2008, 11:03 PM

tournesol

April 21st, 2008, 11:37 PM

/\ Does anyone know how tall (not exactly) the crane is? It's very hard to judge on a night webcam. Does it look like it's "full height", meaning +80m ?

EDIT: Okay after looking at it again, it looks like it's a bit lower than the webcam, which must be pretty high up in Ferring. So probably not 80+ meter.

Since the crane extends above the horizon behind it, it means that the top it's heigher located than the viewpoint (the webcam). Of course we don't know at what height the webcam is located, but it's seems most likely to be on the roof of Ferring, meaning that this crane is in fact 80+ meters tall.
I'd still say thay would need to extend it upwards, when they get closer to the top, since the will need some margin in order to operate.

Or maybe it will be joined by a second (and taller) crane later...

ØlandDK

April 21st, 2008, 11:39 PM

Damn. That was really smart thinking there tournesol. Didn't think of that.

knilaus

April 21st, 2008, 11:50 PM

Fab 5

April 21st, 2008, 11:53 PM

You make me regret I didn't study geometry more in high school ;)

Seriously though - doesn't this theorem have any presuppositions such as the viewpoint being poised at an angle of 90 degrees or anything?

Yeah, that would be my objection too. Learn us something on gerometry, tournesol! (Damn, I have a huge stats assignment due at uni and it's getting late...)

Kipple

April 22nd, 2008, 12:10 AM

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Kipple

April 22nd, 2008, 12:11 AM

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Kipple

April 22nd, 2008, 12:28 AM

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Kipple

April 22nd, 2008, 12:29 AM

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Kipple

April 22nd, 2008, 12:30 AM

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Kipple

April 22nd, 2008, 12:31 AM

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Kipple

April 22nd, 2008, 12:31 AM

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Kipple

April 22nd, 2008, 12:33 AM

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Kipple

April 22nd, 2008, 12:37 AM

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This is what we are looking it seems to me..... (in the red elipses) :)

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Fab 5

April 22nd, 2008, 12:40 AM

Zichau

April 22nd, 2008, 12:51 AM

It's soooo great!!! And with the KLP3, the Wing House and the new part of Ferring it's gonna be so dence up there.

ØlandDK

April 22nd, 2008, 12:55 AM

I'm really excited about this project...thanks for the update Kipple!:)

ØlandDK

April 22nd, 2008, 12:55 AM

It's soooo great!!! And with the KLP3, the Wing House and the new part of Ferring it's gonna be so dence up there.

Yeah if it wouldn't be for the highway in between:)

mlm

April 22nd, 2008, 01:24 AM

Since the crane extends above the horizon behind it, it means that the top it's heigher located than the viewpoint (the webcam). Of course we don't know at what height the webcam is located, but it's seems most likely to be on the roof of Ferring, meaning that this crane is in fact 80+ meters tall.
I'd still say thay would need to extend it upwards, when they get closer to the top, since the will need some margin in order to operate.

Or maybe it will be joined by a second (and taller) crane later...I was just about to give you my praise, and call you brilliant, but then it hit me "can this really be true". :D I'm for sure no expert on this subject, but I took a look at some of my photos, and found an example I don't understand by your logic. It's from Rotterdam, and the 2 buildings in question stands on each side of the river (Maas). I would think that the base is at more or less the same height, since the area is quite flat. The building we look at is 93 meters to the top of the 2 antennas, which are clearly above the horizon (though a bit hazy), and the photo is taken from the 96 m tall observation deck of the Euromast. Isn't this just a question of how far you are from the building you look at?

The photo:
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/elevation.jpg

I'll be happy to be corrected. :)
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@ Kipple: Thanks a lot for the updates. When looking at these red elipses, which aren't that small in reality, it really seems to be big in real life (when compared to the rendering. Very nice seen, and keep the updates comming, they are much appriciated. :)

Zichau

April 22nd, 2008, 01:38 AM

Yeah if it wouldn't be for the highway in between:)

It was more the area round Kay Fiskers Plads I was refering to. But off course, lots of things are happening on both sides.

tournesol

April 23rd, 2008, 08:38 PM

I was just about to give you my praise, and call you brilliant, but then it hit me "can this really be true". :D I'm for sure no expert on this subject, but I took a look at some of my photos, and found an example I don't understand by your logic. It's from Rotterdam, and the 2 buildings in question stands on each side of the river (Maas). I would think that the base is at more or less the same height, since the area is quite flat. The building we look at is 93 meters to the top of the 2 antennas, which are clearly above the horizon (though a bit hazy), and the photo is taken from the 96 m tall observation deck of the Euromast. Isn't this just a question of how far you are from the building you look at?

The photo:
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/elevation.jpg

I'll be happy to be corrected. :)
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Well. I can see your photo would indicate something else. However I'll stick to my statement. Which means that the something in your photo isn't right. Maybe the horizon is so obscured by the haze that we cant see that it actually above the antennas. Or maybe the info about the two height aren't correct. Maybe one is refereing to height above ground, the other about height above sea level. Just guessing here.

Here's a quote taking from the basic theori of perspective:
"An important and useful fact of perspective is that all objects at the same height as the viewpoint are intersected by the true horizon line. This rule holds regardless of how far above level ground the viewpoint may be, and even when the direction of view is not parallel to the ground plane."
(Source (http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/perspect1.html))

Here's an image illustrating it:
http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/IMG/LPR/taylor.gif

I agree that the distance to the other building does matter, but not at a distance this short. Located at a height of 100 meters the visible horizon is approx 36 km away (since this planet is a ball). A 50 meter building located 36 km away would ofcourse rise above the horizon. Since its half the height of the viewpoint, the top of the building would start to appear above the horizon at half the distance to the horizon, ie 18 km away.

In the case of your photo - if the viewpoint truely is at 96 meters and the tip of the antennas at 93 - the distance to the horizon is 35 km (Calculator (http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm)). Since 93 meters is the same as 96,9% of 96 meters, and 96,9% of 35 km is 33,9 km, it means that the second tower should be more than 1,1 km away (35 minus 33,9) before the top would appear above the horizon.
Even though you might have used a tele objective i don't think this building is more than 1,1 km away, so something else must be wrong. (info on heights or obscured horizon)

END OF GEOMETRY CLASS. Sorry for being a bit of topic.

Great bunch of photos Kipple :okay:

Pisling

April 23rd, 2008, 09:16 PM

I've been around the Copenhagen Towers construction site a few times this week, and from almost every angle the crane doesn't seem higher than the Ferring building - I'd say it's approximately 2-3 meters lower.

But I must admit that I'm pretty impressed with Professor Tournesol's basic theory of perspective (great post, man), so I'm guessing the webcam is located a few floors below the roof.

mlm

April 23rd, 2008, 11:06 PM

Sorry for staying a bit off topic, but I find this pretty interesting.

@ Tournesol: Thank you very much for the lesson. I'm still not 100 % convinced though, although everything you say seems to make sence. I've put the best possible man on the job of finding the exact heights of the two Rotterdam buildings, I'll return if I get some answers. :)

Oh, and according to Google Earth, the distance between the 2 is about 875 meters. :)

Finally on the horizon, I think "it's all there", meaning the horizon is where it looks to be. Here a very dark version of the photo making it more clear:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/elevation2.jpg

/off topic....for now;)

Fab 5

April 23rd, 2008, 11:29 PM

ØlandDK

April 23rd, 2008, 11:43 PM

I'm also following this perspective debate. Quite interesting:)

mlm

April 24th, 2008, 10:09 PM

tournesol

April 26th, 2008, 11:58 AM

@ tournesol:

Okay, so my soruce say that the tip height of the antenna is unsecure, but his guess (from measuring on a photo, based on the roof height) is 90 meters. As written I've also seen 94 meters somewhere.

The Euromast has two platforms, and I'm not sure which I stood on when taken the photo, though I think it was the lower one. That one is 96.7 meters, and the taller one is 99.6 meters. To that number you'll to around 170 cm, since I'm s of course stading up, with the camera a little bit lower than my full height.

The distance between the Euromast and the Hoge Maas (the black building) is 875 meters (measurred in google Earth).

And looking at my darker version of the photo, I would still say that it is infact the horizon we see.

So, what to make of all this nonsense? :D

First off all, thanks everyone for not being annoyed with this deviation to the main topic. I thought I might as well take my name serious and show some professoral attitude :D

A few comments:
@Pisling: I agree with you. The webcam is probably located a little further down then.

@mlm: Is it certain that your numbers are comparable? Are they from the ground up, or heigth above sea-level. But more likely it's the haze that causes the trouble. Haze can reduce visibility alot. According to this (http://www.outdoors.org/conservation/mountainwatch/haze3.cfm) website, less than 50% visibility range by haze is common and as little as 20% visibility range is not unlikely (and this is haze we are taking about, not fog, which can reduce it to zero). So I think the horizon is really located heigher up in your photo.

mlm

April 26th, 2008, 03:33 PM

/\ The horizon must be what is srecwing it up then. I would think that the height is from the ground for both, but that won't change it, since I'm pretty sure the Euromast is alteast a the same height (at ground level) as the tower, and probably a little taller. You can also see the building is very close to the water, so the gorund elevation can't be much above it.

So I guess we can conclude that your rule works, but only when the full horizon is visible.

Lars_HH

April 28th, 2008, 01:58 PM

Now the first cultural institution is opening in Ørestad City. I saw them today carrying beer down into the cellar. I’m going to check it out on Friday.

http://www.orestad.dk/aus/index/privat/index/privat/sm_nyhedsbrev_visning.htm?newsId=10520

http://undervand.org

Fab 5

April 28th, 2008, 02:07 PM

Yeah, it is really an interesting project. Looking forward to a visit.

LoveCPH

April 28th, 2008, 02:43 PM

It sounds very interesting. Where are the bicycles though?

Fab 5

April 28th, 2008, 02:53 PM

It sounds very interesting. Where are the bicycles though?

There were so few using the facility that the bikes have now been moved to a new space out in the open, however, this new thing, "Undervand", only has a limited contract. As I understand some sort of rotation between different "underground" organizers will take place five years into the future managing the facility. After that, with more of the area out there having been developed, the bikes will prolly come back inside and the cultural site will shut down.

LoveCPH

April 28th, 2008, 03:11 PM

I've allways thought is was an underground carpark, because of the ramp next to ferring.

I would never go down there at night with my bicycle, though it's very bright.

tournesol

April 28th, 2008, 09:38 PM

Pisling

April 29th, 2008, 09:58 AM

A quick update on the webcam issue:
Passing by yesterday, I'm allmost sure I spotted the webcam on the Ferring Tower.
As I was passing by on the motorway, I couldn't make a perfect floor count, but my guess is that it was on the 16th or 17th floor.
Yeah, I 've seen it too. It's rather big for a webcam, so I'd say it's a regular surveillance camera – and it's located on the 3rd floor below the roof (don't know which floor that may be).

Kipple

April 29th, 2008, 12:16 PM

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Kipple

April 29th, 2008, 12:19 PM

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Kipple

April 29th, 2008, 12:25 PM

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Kipple

April 29th, 2008, 12:25 PM

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Kipple

April 29th, 2008, 12:29 PM

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TMG

April 29th, 2008, 12:31 PM

Thanks for all the good pictures, Lars. Good to see some progress:-)

Kipple

April 29th, 2008, 12:33 PM

slider

April 29th, 2008, 12:59 PM

Fab 5

April 29th, 2008, 01:31 PM

New traffic lights threre. Looking good and simple, but threre are no sun shades. Are you able to see the signs in direct sun light? Maybe LED-technology is so developed these days that it is possible... tell me.

These lights are among the latest off the LED-technology. Shouldn't be a problem seeing them during direct sunlight. At least that's my personal experience from Frederiksberg, where we have them too.

DenverDane

April 29th, 2008, 01:36 PM

Thanks for the update, Kipple. Looks like CPH Towers are coming along pretty fast. Now I'm just waiting on the Bella Center Hotel to get started.

Fab 5

April 29th, 2008, 01:41 PM

If you notice pictures 3+4 of Cph. Towers, you will see that the surface of the concrete is sliding in a downwards angle towards the road (ørestad boulevard).

Seems a bit funny to me that it is not straight.:)

Isn't it because that area will a ramp of some sort (see picture below; the access road/ramp left of the Crowne Plaza sign):

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3668/rampebz9.png

Fab 5

April 29th, 2008, 01:43 PM

Yeah, thanks for all the pictures, Kipple! Awesome with an update.

ØlandDK

April 29th, 2008, 02:58 PM

Nice update. Seems like CPH towers/tower is getting up pretty fast so far.

Blue Viking

April 29th, 2008, 04:50 PM

Nice update. Seems like CPH towers/tower is getting up pretty fast so far.

Yeah well thats your opinion which you are off course entitled to have. But I think these things are going up way too slow! :D

ØlandDK

April 29th, 2008, 09:24 PM

If you look how slow things are going further south in Ørestaden I find it okay:D

LoveCPH

April 30th, 2008, 04:43 PM

It looks very exciting!! :)

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:07 PM

Thanks for the kind words! :)

I know that i have made two recent updates, but i feel like contributing more...

Therefore i present a much neglected part of Ørestaden:

Ørestad Nord

& as a bonus:

Byparken

Fab 5

April 30th, 2008, 10:12 PM

Right on!

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:15 PM

:gaah:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4748/dsc00781bi0.jpg

Fab 5

April 30th, 2008, 10:20 PM

^^Yeah, have been wondering about CABINN coming along so slow; it must be an economic issue really. Saving some money by letting the work coming along so slow. Seems like their only deadline is to be ready just before the UN meeting.

And what about the surroundings..?

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:24 PM

on the corner.....

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/4403/dsc00798wy1.jpg

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:29 PM

.... along with some nice backdrops.....

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LoveCPH

April 30th, 2008, 10:31 PM

Where is that?^^ "lyskrydset"

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:31 PM

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:32 PM

"lyskrydset"

Its the corner of Ørestad Boulevard and Vejlands Alle.

LoveCPH

April 30th, 2008, 10:33 PM

I wonder how the area will look in 20 years.

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:38 PM

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Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:40 PM

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Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:46 PM

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Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:47 PM

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Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:47 PM

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Fab 5

April 30th, 2008, 10:51 PM

I am having a hard time figuring out how they can cramp 700 rooms into so little space..... :|

You realize it's a CABINN hotel, right?;-)

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:51 PM

Look for the colour blue... ;)

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Fab 5

April 30th, 2008, 10:52 PM

I wonder how the area will look in 20 years.

I fear how the area will look in 20 years.

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:53 PM

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Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:53 PM

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LoveCPH

April 30th, 2008, 10:54 PM

When have they constructed a new library? I didn't know that.

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:55 PM

Perhaps saving the best for last....

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Fab 5

April 30th, 2008, 10:59 PM

When have they constructed a new library? I didn't know that.

Part of the KUA Campus (administration: The Royal Library). Construction has been running for several years - just opened.

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 10:59 PM

Kipple

April 30th, 2008, 11:01 PM

You realize it's a CABINN hotel, right?;-)

:lol:

This one must feature the special "Slave"-class rooms then??

(dont mind my bad sense of humor)

Fab 5

April 30th, 2008, 11:08 PM

Thanks for all the good shots, Kipple.

I think it is relly hard to get an impression on the Copenhagen Concert Hall after they began installing the blue screens. I guess you have to get a shot from this angle before one is able to see the meteor effect in daylight and without the projecting:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8080/007mx7.png

Did you by any chance get one off there?

Blue Viking

April 30th, 2008, 11:23 PM

The rooms are terribly small. But ok if you just have to sleep there..

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/421/dsc00819zv0.jpg

^^ WHOAH!! Thanks Kipple!

ØlandDK

May 1st, 2008, 11:59 AM

I fear how the area will look in 20 years.

:yes:

When have they constructed a new library? I didn't know that.

Thought the same. Looks like a booring box from the outisde.

Nagel

May 1st, 2008, 09:04 PM

Personally, I am very much looking forward to going to concerts in Jean Nouvel's new Copenhagen concert hall. I expect a lot from the interiors of the building. It should be high class. The exterior is a different matter. I choose to bear an open mind... it might turn out interesting

BUT BUT BUT, it does make me think: When an A-list architect like Jean Nouvel designs a new concert hall for Copenhagen, Copenhagen gets a big black box. When Jean Nouvel designs a new concert hall for Paris, Paris gets an insane, spectacular wonder like this:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2231/2456740327_f815eb0831_o.jpg

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La Philharmonie de Paris, quite something to say the least. Do these high profile architects "save" their truely amazing ideas for spots like Paris, NYC, London, and perhaps locations with endless oil resources? And do smaller, less important cities get the left overs? Just a thought...

Fab 5

May 1st, 2008, 09:12 PM

^^Nouvel is probably the most context-focused architect in the world. There is (of course) a long theory on why the Copenhagen Concert Hall ended up having that particular, boxy design. All that can be summarized in one word: CONTEXT.

Nagel

May 1st, 2008, 09:23 PM

By context do you mean that he thought the new HQ of Radio Denmark was so rubbish that he had to make something neutral that wouldn't clash with it? :wink2:

ramblersen

May 1st, 2008, 10:51 PM

La Philharmonie de Paris, quite something to say the least. Do these high profile architects "save" their truely amazing ideas for spots like Paris, NYC, London, and perhaps locations with endless oil resources? And do smaller, less important cities get the left overs? Just a thought...

Well I recently had the same thought over at the "Worild-famous architects of our region"-thread. And neither the Koolhass project for Bryghusgrunden nor Herzog & de Meuron hotel in Helsinki has made me stop thinking it...

Fab 5

May 2nd, 2008, 12:57 AM

Well I recently had the same thought over at the "Worild-famous architects of our region"-thread. And neither the Koolhass project for Bryghusgrunden nor Herzog & de Meuron hotel in Helsinki has made me stop thinking it...

I don't think it has something to do with that, but should be seen more as a result of Nordic traditions and history. It's part of our general mentality and approach. Our architectural tradition has always been more reserved and in some respects humble compared to e.g. France. We have never produced architecture, that "shouts". There is a direct coupling to our overall pattern of behaviour in the Nordic countries. So when international architects arrive here, many of them, somewhat naturally, interpret our societies and mentalities etc. That's part of the reason why we don't see these "fuck Jante"-projects in Denmark and the rest of the Nordic region. BTW: "Our" own high-profile architects don't produce them either! The new Oslo Opera is a good example in that respect - it's a good building, really, and very, very Nordic. But it is not a building, that stands out and shouts like for instance La Philharmonie.

And then another element: The Nordic countries' sheer sizes. All countries here are pretty small and have less ressources in many respects than big countries like France, UK etc. etc. That element plays a role too, however, I still think it has mainly to do with our (architectural) tradition and overall mentality.

BTW: If you think we are lacking cool, "shouting" proposals for projects in Denmark for instance, then take a look in my "The most brilliant projects Copenhagen never got"-thread. They are there - but mostly they end up not being chosen in the various competitions or are shot down by the public, who simply don't want them. Again, you can couple to my first point on tradition and mentality.

Fab 5

May 2nd, 2008, 01:25 AM

By context do you mean that he thought the new HQ of Radio Denmark was so rubbish that he had to make something neutral that wouldn't clash with it? :wink2:

Nouvel's overall concern, when he did the Copenhagen Concert Hall, was how to construct a building that (at the time) would be one of the very first buildings in an emerging neighbourhood (Ørestad). In such an area you never really know what will happen - what surrounding buildings will be constructed? What people will live there? Worst case would be nothing happening at all and your high-profile project sitting there for years all by itself. So he wanted to do a building, that can handle an uncertain future. A building that doesn't need a specific, surrounding context to relate to. A building that is robust in that respect. Coming up with a La Philharmonie-like building would have been crazy - how would this building be seen if Ørestad hadn't evolved? Moreover, there was also a master plan to respect.

mlm

May 2nd, 2008, 01:38 AM

/\ But the Behnisch designed National Archives was quite "screaming". Wasn't that chosen in a competition too, and even earlier than DR Byen?

Fab 5

May 2nd, 2008, 01:55 AM

/\ But the Behnisch designed National Archives was quite "screaming". Wasn't that chosen in a competition too, and even earlier than DR Byen?

That's right (1998), however, the building ended up being scrapped too. Moreover, that scheme was part of the initial government ambition to get Ørestad back on track (there was a huge crisis luring over the whole area back in the days). ALL of the specialists in that competition formally submitted a dissent. There was a huge case on the matter, but that present minister, Jytte Hilden, wanted such a building so badly. She simply overruled the specialists as a lay judge.
At the time of the Copenhagen Concert Hall (and during the master plan proposals for "DR Byen") the Behnisch proposal was still being planned and it was obvious to come up with a concert hall proposal that played up against the future land-mark archives, however, Nouvel, smartly, didn't see this as a viable option.

mlm

May 2nd, 2008, 02:01 AM

/\ Ah okay, thanks for that. You must have a really good memory. ;)

Do I remember correctly, that it was scrapped just some 14 days before the planned construction start?

Fab 5

May 2nd, 2008, 02:09 AM

/\ Ah okay, thanks for that. You must have a really good memory. ;)

Do I remember correctly, that it was scrapped just some 14 days before the planned construction start?

The whole process was really, really complicated, however, I am not sure about the 14 days though. I am not even sure that the project ever got so close to construction. There were so many complications along the way. The project was one of the first things new minister Brian Mikkelsen "handled" when he got in office. Thinking back, I actually don't think it was anywhere near going UC. The site at least hadn't been prepped or anything (that work has just recently started BTW; the Copenhagen Development Corporation in this process experiencing, that the site was rather polluted!).

acebone

May 6th, 2008, 02:17 PM

I just had to post this: Copenhagen Distortion will have their final party in VM-bjerget this year.

Looking forward to that party.
http://www.cphdistortion.dk/info/info.html

Cafo

May 6th, 2008, 02:44 PM

Considering it's such a nice day and I saw the DR concert hall progressing in front of my very eyes, I took some pictures. Two months ago I was worried by the speed at which they were progressing. Since then just about all the metal pieces have been installed along with the blue sheets. Pictures taken from Tietgenkollegiet.

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/4915/p1080341tb5.jpg

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Kipple

May 6th, 2008, 03:34 PM

^^Thank you Cafo!

Very nice shots indeed:okay:

cphdude

May 7th, 2008, 12:41 AM

That is a great view...

FREKI

May 7th, 2008, 12:48 AM

Great pics!

Fab 5

May 7th, 2008, 09:36 AM

Yeah, thanks, good pictures off a very alternative angle. Cool.

Fab 5

May 7th, 2008, 05:44 PM

Blue Viking

May 8th, 2008, 12:38 AM

Very nice pictures, Cafo! Nice colours!

That's right (1998), however, the building ended up being scrapped too. Moreover, that scheme was part of the initial government ambition to get Ørestad back on track (there was a huge crisis luring over the whole area back in the days). ALL of the specialists in that competition formally submitted a dissent. There was a huge case on the matter, but that present minister, Jytte Hilden, wanted such a building so badly. She simply overruled the specialists as a lay judge.
At the time of the Copenhagen Concert Hall (and during the master plan proposals for "DR Byen") the Behnisch proposal was still being planned and it was obvious to come up with a concert hall proposal that played up against the future land-mark archives, however, Nouvel, smartly, didn't see this as a viable option.

This is interesting reading. I must say I really did like the Behnisch proposal.

Cafo

May 10th, 2008, 02:14 PM

Thank you for your praise. I haven't been active in writing for along time, but I still follow this forum. I appreciate the effort given by you all.

We got a notice just now here at Tietgenkollegiet, that the Mikado House to the east of us, will commence construction in two weeks time starting with the hammering in of the steel foundation. With the delay in this project I was beginning to think they wouldn't start. I guess they finally secured the money (Arkitema).
Link: http://www.arkitema.dk/Erhverv+Working/Domiciler/Mikadohuset.aspx

Fab 5

May 10th, 2008, 02:45 PM

^^Cool, thanks, I like that project.

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ØlandDK

May 11th, 2008, 03:35 AM

^^
That facade looks really interesting:applause:

Fab 5

May 11th, 2008, 10:54 AM

^^Indeed it does, however, it also reminds me of something I have seen before (a building at Sluseholmen).

Kipple

May 12th, 2008, 12:04 PM

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Kipple

May 12th, 2008, 12:07 PM

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Kipple

May 12th, 2008, 12:08 PM

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Kipple

May 12th, 2008, 12:09 PM

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Kipple

May 12th, 2008, 12:12 PM

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I do notice a bit of green grass on this picture ^^
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Kipple

May 12th, 2008, 12:14 PM

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Look to the right of the big crane. A slope is starting to take shape.

Kipple

May 12th, 2008, 12:18 PM

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3741/dsc00873oz2.jpg

A bit of a crappy shot, but i still like its colours and motif. :)

ØlandDK

May 12th, 2008, 12:33 PM

Good job Lars...Going out there anytime soon to have a look at the process:)

TMG

May 12th, 2008, 12:55 PM

Great pictures Lars - thanks.

Regarding Stævnen - just a thought. I passed it yesterday when I was out training on my bike, so I didn't have a camara on me. It strucked me, that the building has 12 floors or the top floor is perhaps only for an elevator?

Still, the building seems quite high - perhaps over 35 meters? Compared to other buildigs which has passed the highrise criteria it could be interesting to know the exact height of the building. Does anybody know that - perhaps knilaus?

knilaus

May 12th, 2008, 01:53 PM

TMG

May 12th, 2008, 03:32 PM

Thanks for the convincing answeer - knilaus. Compared to the other 12 floor residentials in Ørestad I seems higher to me, but perhaps it is because, there are no building to compare it with. Perhaps it could be added as one of Copenhagens low highrises, if we can verify the height.

Fab 5

May 12th, 2008, 04:49 PM

Yeah, Kipple, lots of good shots once again. And finally at least some progression seen at the Royal Golf Center...

knilaus

May 15th, 2008, 12:13 AM

ØlandDK

May 15th, 2008, 06:44 AM

Another commieblock for Ørestaden?

knilaus

May 15th, 2008, 08:28 AM

ØlandDK

May 15th, 2008, 08:43 AM

Yeah I know. It was just a joke more referring to some of the current buildings out there. It doesn't look bad at all in that model.:)

Fab 5

May 15th, 2008, 11:03 AM

I hadn't seen this model (http://bajarch.dk/oss1.html) for a project in Ørestad Syd before. I'm presuming it's the 75 public housing flats that were given up by KAB because they couldn't get any entrepreneurs to build it within the budget allowed by level of government grants for this kind of housing?

Honestly, I don't like that building. Looks like something off the 70ties. But then again, it's model.

Yes, it is that building that got axed due to the maximum margin of expenditure.

Does the presence of a dedicated website for Bjørn A. Jørgensen mean that he left Domus arkitekter?

Nope, he's still at Domus. This is just his personal site.

Fab 5

May 16th, 2008, 11:14 AM

The apartments of the VM Mountain has been put on the market as of day. Price range: 1.900.000-7.675.000 DKR.

ØlandDK

May 16th, 2008, 11:35 AM

Some of those apartments have a really weird shape.

Kipple

May 16th, 2008, 04:42 PM

Is anyone else going to the CPHADD opening party tonight at Ørestad Station??

http://www.orestad.dk/flyer_add_nat.jpg

Theres going to be lightinstallation-art put up and some electronic music to complement.

I am also going to the tour of VM-Bjerget on sunday at 11.00. Bjarke Ingels is the tourguide and its free!! :banana:

Kipple

May 16th, 2008, 11:59 PM

Got some good shots of the lit Ferring-building and the surroundings:

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The party wasnt all that much in my opinion. Seems like they didnt realise that the bass is significantly louder when you are in a solid concrete basement. :weird:

knilaus

May 17th, 2008, 11:03 AM

knilaus

May 17th, 2008, 11:21 AM

knilaus

May 17th, 2008, 11:31 AM

Nagel

May 17th, 2008, 11:45 AM

^^ Cool pictures thre Kipple! They should make the lighting on Ferring permanent.

Thanks for your new insight Knilaus :) New hospital sounds awesome. Now we just need a Guggenheim(ish) museum out there.

Nine new towers in the area south and west of Fields? Sounds cool.:nuts: (except how tall is a "tower" as a minimum?)

Fab 5

May 17th, 2008, 12:20 PM

Thanks for all your info, knilaus!

An Irma will open next to the Ørestad City metrostation (not inside Field's but most likely as part of the Neroport complex) in 2009.

Awesome.

They are indeed in negotiations with the regional authorities to cover the highway and railway line and BUILD A NEW REGIONAL HOSPITAL ON TOP! The areas bordering the railway and highway have been constructed in a way that it will be possible to cover them and continue construction on top without disturbing the traffic underneath.

So, I guess I wasn't just dreaming things up, hu'?;) However, I do think it is weird Kramer going ahead at an event like that announcing these plans. I am sure it hasn't been cleared with VSR and the region. They wont be thrilled if this gets out, I can tell you that.

Regarding Fab 5's speculation that Ørestad Syd may 'lose out' in the competition with Vores By and Nordhavn. Well, I asked Kramer that question directly and he listed a number of facts that in his opinion would lead to Ørestad Syd not losing out:
- Finally he emphasised the requirements that have been put on the developer's that purchased land from By & Havn: That they have to build on it and that they can't make a profit from selling on the land and so on.

I could comment on all of these remarks, however, I will try to stay general and only comment that last one directly.
First of all, we are talking about Kramer saying these things. Not that he is directly wrong, however, his interests are pretty clear. He has to stay positive and calm on Ørestad (Syd) as he has been trying to do in all kinds of articles etc. However, I know that behind the facades they ("By og Havn") are skeptical or at least nervous. And although they are not required to sell as much as they used to do, does that help anything? Perhaps not at all. And developers are only coordinating to an extent that it is in their own, narrow interests - if the guys at CE see an opportunity and are confindent in their development portfolio even with markets under pressure, they are not going to await "By og Havn" or anyone else. Instead they go for it. And I think they (CE) have a product with regard to "Vores By" that is unique and pretty resistant to weak markets. That's why they are already far into the process on planning the first residential buildings although the political process is just getting under way.

The last remark I will comment more directly. See, I know that these contracts exist requiring developers to build within a certain time frame. But my prediction is, that at some point "By og Havn" will have to loosen up on those high-ambition requirements, which, to a large extent, have direct point of departure in the ambitious district plan. This district plan is so tight on so many parameters, that, given the current market situation, other huge development areas in the pipeline and these contractual requirements on commencement of construction, "By og Havn" must loosen up at some point (as developers have already been suggesting). Perhaps we will see some of the developers being granted exemptions or perhaps, though highly controversial, a new, revised district plan. That's what I am guessing. And if this should happen, well, then we have a whole new ball game!

The area containing Hannemansparken, Copenhagen Towers and NCC Business Center is actually called 'Ørestad City Syd'.

It goes back to the days of the overall planning of Ørestad, when they planned the covering of the highway and tracks. Ørestad City would then be merged together.

A total of 9 towers are planned for the area south and west of Fields - including a tower for Fields itself - although this tower still has not received a final design and they haven't made a final decision about whether to build it or not.

Copenhagen Towers: 3. ØBC: 2. Field's: 1. ØDT: 2. Where is no. 9?

Another significant project is set to go u/c in Ørestad Down Town in the near future following the lead of Cab Inn

Any more details?

Again, thanks for all the info!

Fab 5

May 17th, 2008, 12:23 PM

Yeah, awesome pics, Kipple!

LoveCPH

May 17th, 2008, 01:29 PM

Is Fields going to be larger? :)

Blue Viking

May 17th, 2008, 01:43 PM

^^ Yes

Thanks for all the info, Knilaus. I am very excited about the next development in Ørestad down town. Do you have any clue as to which building it mght be?

I am also very surprised about the hospital, even though Fab 5 has mentioned it before. It seems like a very expensive solution, but it will be very well connected to public transport. My main worry is that it might be out of place literally in the middle of Ørestad.

I was under the impression that this was an already planned part of Fields stage 2 but when I presented the impending fact of the "opening up of the facade" to our guide from By & Havn yesterday she had not heard about it. Do any of you know of a source for this information?

I don't think the glass roof and opening of Fields is part of the Fields part 2-project, but rather a part of the Liebeskind masterplan.

- The area containing Hannemansparken, Copenhagen Towers and NCC Business Center is actually called 'Ørestad City Syd'.

I knew it! :D