http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/64596.html

Yes the weakness of the bid and the underfunding that is not even committed is now apparent. The Men and women in the HRM council, the CWG committee and Province house could not keep up the false pretense for ever.

Jim Jones

Ok you know what, If Glasgow or Abuja get the bid, I hope it fails horribly and they waste their money. I'd get a damn good laugh out of it.

Ok you know what, If Glasgow or Abuja get the bid, I hope it fails horribly and they waste their money. I'd get a damn good laugh out of it.

Better them then us http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5053992.html

I figured this would take a little longer to bring the CWG's bid to an end.
With Peter Kellys plea for federal money and Jim Flattery's visit the other day to the region not once talking about federal financial commitment . The deal I think is probably done. Rodney Mac Donald did not gain any seats by backing the games and the tories in ottawa dont see any gains to support a blank cheque either.

JIM jones

OH by the way there will be a no games fireworks display at shannon park when the bid is withdrawn . Me Bruce Devenne and a small crew with bottle rockets and roman candles LOLOLOLO "picture this Halifax".

Better them then us http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5053992.html

I figured this would take a little longer to bring the CWG's bid to an end.
With Peter Kellys plea for federal money and Jim Flattery's visit the other day to the region not once talking about federal financial commitment . The deal I think is probably done. Rodney Mac Donald did not gain any seats by backing the games and the tories in ottawa dont see any gains to support a blank cheque either.

JIM jones

OH by the way there will be a no games fireworks display at shannon park when the bid is withdrawn . Me Bruce Devenne and a small crew with bottle rockets and roman candles LOLOLOLO "picture this Halifax".


I hope you blow your selves up. What a pathetic crew you are.

Ah come on be part of the party the new beginning of the end of 2 decades of chasing the commonwealth games silliness . When Fast freddie could not get them for 1994 that when they should have taken the hint. You then step up to Kuala lumpar and it goes way beyond anything that is reasonable.
I hope Kirk Johnson is Chef de whatever they call it for the Canadian team in Abuja 2014. Now that would be sweet justice in light of what happened to him in halifax and then the city actually having the nerve to go for an event that the majority of people are of color on the field.

jim jones

That's a very slanted piece. If Glasgow's bid is only to cost £250, why is Halifax's $1B limit an issue?

Ugh, what a bad article.

"The people of Halifax, meanwhile, have launched a campaign to ensure their city loses the race to host the Games."

That's a very slanted piece. If Glasgow's bid is only to cost £250, why is Halifax's $1B limit an issue?

It is very simple that it is an issue here. First glasgow has one athletics stadium and two soccer stadium, glasgow has a fairly new aquatics centre that is on competition standards, Glasgow has a media centre, Glasgow has 80 percent federal government funding. AT just one billion dollars(it will go to 2 billion) and the standard commitment that former government have had to sports festivals in canada you are looking at 350 million for the federal share. and 650 million divided between city ,province and corporate sectors. The statement of commitment before have been 125 million by the city and 225 million by the province. The city share will have to go to over 300 million and that is not likely with the amount of special interest groups in local amateur sports that have been kicking up a stink in the OP ed pieces to the halfiax herald. The Premier did not yield political gain via the support for the games committing as much as 600 million to the cause.

The end is near finally the council is getting it . The city ratepayers cant afford and dont want a commonwealth games and niether do the federal or provincial tories.

jim jones

Ugh, what a bad article.

"The people of Halifax, meanwhile, have launched a campaign to ensure their city loses the race to host the Games."

Bad article in your pro-games eyes. Great amount of truth in it. The Anti Games forces are winning the war. Soon we will be on a realistic path for the city and the province.

Jim Jones.

Just because a different newspaper says the same thing as ours, doesn't mean it's not yesterday's news. Why do you need to start a new thread every freakin time?

Bad article in your pro-games eyes. Great amount of truth in it. The Anti Games forces are winning the war. Soon we will be on a realistic path for the city and the province.

Jim Jones.


So because the support for the games has dipped 15% to a still healthy 75% (and DON'T tell me that it's any less than this unless you have concrete evidence, thanks), that means that the anti-games forces outnumber the pro-games? That's what this article seems to be implying. It's really just telling the people of Glasgow (and apparantly a few in Pictou) what they want to hear.

How does it vary so much from $1B for Halifax vs. $250M for Glasgow. I don't believe they need a stadium in Glasgow, but that's still a lot of money. What's Abuja's bid going to cost? $413?

How does it vary so much from $1B for Halifax vs. $250M for Glasgow. I don't believe they need a stadium in Glasgow, but that's still a lot of money. What's Abuja's bid going to cost? $413?

Remember, its not $250 million, its in the british pound. So for Glasgow your probably looking at a little over $500 million.

How does it vary so much from $1B for Halifax vs. $250M for Glasgow. I don't believe they need a stadium in Glasgow, but that's still a lot of money. What's Abuja's bid going to cost? $413?

Abuja's bid will be the least costly for some very simple reasons. The Abuja National stadium complex is a Full IAAF class one Facility for the atheletics field.
Hampon Park in Glasgow is only a 6 lane track where as The Abuja Stadium is a full 8 lanes that is required for a commonwealth games. Abuaj also has the Aquatics centre, media centre , velodrome and indoor arena on the same property. The major expense for Nigeria will be an athletes village and maybe putting a roof over the practice field next to the Stadium to make it a filed house. With no renovations having to be done with the Abuja National Stadium for the techincal parts (scotland will need to re configure the grandstands to allow two more running lanes at hampton for IAAF class one Certification). Glasogw then has to bulid a indoor arena and velodrome.
Nigeria is going to be awarded this just like New Delhi was awarded the 2010
commonwealth games.

Jim jones

So because the support for the games has dipped 15% to a still healthy 75% (and DON'T tell me that it's any less than this unless you have concrete evidence, thanks), that means that the anti-games forces outnumber the pro-games? That's what this article seems to be implying. It's really just telling the people of Glasgow (and apparantly a few in Pictou) what they want to hear.

Well heres my question right back at you. If support has not gone down why is Peter Kelly now making the statements he is making to the chamber of commerce? Peter Kelly know his political future is in jeopardy that is why he made the statements and the desperate plea for federal money.

I am sure they have a poll that they are not releasing and it is further south then the last one. The last one was conducted just as the letters to the editor and op ed pieces were starting. If they took a poll tomorrow I would not be surprized to see it bellow 60 percent and that is being generous. If it was below 50 percent I would not be surpized.

jim jones

He's making those statements because people have been bitching for months about a) how much is it going to cost and b) where is the money going to come from. All he did was answer both of those questions to the best of his ability, and both answers seem like they'd satisfy a good number of people.

He's making those statements because people have been bitching for months about a) how much is it going to cost and b) where is the money going to come from. All he did was answer both of those questions to the best of his ability, and both answers seem like they'd satisfy a good number of people.


Exactly!

and now Kelly is acknowledging the costs that other have paid that pro-games deniers have been wrong in saying it would cost less.Historically every single summer games has had from 3 to 8 times the rpice increase from the original estimate. Now we are up to just under a billion dollars. To me they should be having the public hearing and airing the figures they have and then letting bruce devenne in with the internet research. Very simple stuff. 1.1 billion in Manchester, 1.3 billion in Melbourne and it look like 1.5 billion in New Delhi.
It doesn t take a rocket engineer to know it will be 2 billion in Halifiax as all those places had or have much much more on the ground for venues then Halifax and we are looking at a billion dollars plus in costs.
The city cant even afford to finish a baseball field , the north commons, for a mere 1 million. The city is tapped for money and
Kelly knows it. The cover of the Halifax Herald today with the story of Jim Flaherty tells what a plea for the federal government to pay for the entire shot is going to be met with.
http://www.herald.ns.ca/Front/512518.html

A big fat NO.
yes health care funding is more of a concern then 10 day sport circuses that no one watches.

jim jones

He's making those statements because people have been bitching for months about a) how much is it going to cost and b) where is the money going to come from. All he did was answer both of those questions to the best of his ability, and both answers seem like they'd satisfy a good number of people.


Answer any questions???? Did anywheres did he say federal government x
amount of dollars, provincial government x amount of dollar , HRM x amount of dollars and corporate sponsorship x amount of dollars.

There was a plea for the federal government to pay 80 percent to be competitve with Scotland and Nigeria. There was a statement about the games would not happen in Halifax if it meant mortaging our grandchildrens futures. Sound to me like a white flag is waving in the air from the mayors office.
The commonwealth games will not be paid off for 100 years if you take the scale of montreal a 1.5 billion with a population many times greater having to pay off 1.5 billion over 30 years. Nova Scotia will not break 1 million people for population if this type of thing continues.

jim jones

Alex J Walling strikes again

http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=6598&sc=5


This man has to be told about search engines and wikapedia. so many facts about vancouver ports venues there that are totally wrong It mkaes one laff and cry at the same time


Jim jones

Alex J Walling strikes again

http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=6598&sc=5


This man has to be told about search engines and wikapedia. so many facts about vancouver ports venues there that are totally wrong It mkaes one laff and cry at the same time


Jim jones


Thats how I feel when I read you're bull shit.

Thats how I feel when I read you're bull shit.

:laugh: I conquer.

Thats how I feel when I read you're bull shit.

Yes like a moron you have to resort to the four letter words when you know you are beat. Now for some more reality over $ 4.000 dollars a year in tax increase and not one stone has been turned for the commonwealth games . Man you are in a dream world if you think a city developes by rpicing itself out of anyone being able to afford to live there. Come on you pair of garnola eaters you have to have some type of a heart for this woman and others.
How are you going to be able to afford the tax increases and your student loan for the art college. LOLOLOL


jim jones read and weep

By Lindsay Jones
The Daily News

HALIFAX - Peggy Hirschfeld left her English home for love. Now, she has to leave her Halifax home for money.

The 82-year-old, who lives on a fixed income, is being driven from her home because she can't afford to pay her property taxes.

The province's proposed 2007 assessment notice for her Tower Road home came in the mail this week, up $15,300 from last year.

"It's really, really too bad, because I can't afford to hardly keep it," said Hirschfeld. "It's just ridiculous. Every year it goes up and up and up. I'm one of the last people that doesn't have a great big (addition) on my house."

Hirschfeld reluctantly put her corner-lot home up for sale three months ago.

The British war bride and her husband bought it in 1959 for $16,500, and raised their family there. Her husband, a decorated war hero, died a decade ago.

"This was our only investment," she said. "When my husband was alive, it was fine, but since he passed away, my income is cut in half, and besides that, everything went up, except my income.

"It's really sad to think that (for) a man who did so much for his country, it (can) turn around so you can't even afford to live in your house."

Her home has risen in value more than $125,000 in the last six years. Her brother helped her financially until he passed away three years ago.

While she was afforded a cap on her assessment last year, Hirschfeld's proposed assessment will require her to pay $4,196 in property taxes next year.

The city has already announced a 5.1 per cent reduction in the tax rate for next year. But because assessments rose even higher, average homeowners will still see their tax bill go up by about $67.

Patricia and Tony Whalen of Edinburgh Street in Halifax just got their assessment. It went up $23,600. The couple can afford the tax increase, but others aren't so lucky.

Whalen, who belongs to a seniors' advocacy group, said 75 per cent of seniors are elderly women trying to support themselves in houses.

"They can't expect their children to pay their expenses. And the biggest cost is tax.

"I know HRM is millions of dollars in debt, but please don't put it on the seniors who represent 30 per cent of the population. They deserve to retire and be comfortable. But can they? No, they need somebody to help them all the time."

Assessments can be appealed. Seniors can also apply for an assessment rebate for half their property taxes paid the previous year, up to $400.

Homeowners can apply annually to the Cap Assessment Program, which limits assessment increases.
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[QUOTE=Jonestowncultinpicto]Yes like a moron you have to resort to the four letter words when you know you are beat. Now for some more reality over $ 4.000 dollars a year in tax increase and not one stone has been turned for the commonwealth games . Man you are in a dream world if you think a city developes by rpicing itself out of anyone being able to afford to live there. Come on you pair of garnola eaters you have to have some type of a heart for this woman and others.
How are you going to be able to afford the tax increases and your student loan for the art college. LOLOLOL


jim jones read and weep

I don't have write a book full of hot air to get my point across like a moron like you. The truth hurts doesn't.

From an Art Colege what the hell are you talking about buddy. You truly are a moron....lol

Answer any questions???? Did anywheres did he say federal government x
amount of dollars, provincial government x amount of dollar , HRM x amount of dollars and corporate sponsorship x amount of dollars.
Open to interpretation, I guess. He did say that his terms are that the games overall will cost about $1B and for the federal government to pay more than 30%. These are the most concrete numbers that anyone with any authority has thrown out. And I did say that he answered to the best of his ability... it's a goal, not an audit.

Open to interpretation, I guess. He did say that his terms are that the games overall will cost about $1B and for the federal government to pay more than 30%. These are the most concrete numbers that anyone with any authority has thrown out. And I did say that he answered to the best of his ability... it's a goal, not an audit.



Well there have been no numbers thrown out since the 2003 bid by hamilton in regards to federal funding for commonwealth games. That was an announcement by Hamilton MP Shella Copps. You have platatues and gestures but no commitment in terms of Money. The province and the HRM are the only funders at this point and as of april the city or committee had not even made a request for the land in shannon park. That process can take a year or more.

These people are really stupid or nieve or both.


Jim jones

[QUOTE=Jonestowncultinpicto]Yes like a moron you have to resort to the four letter words when you know you are beat. Now for some more reality over $ 4.000 dollars a year in tax increase and not one stone has been turned for the commonwealth games . Man you are in a dream world if you think a city developes by rpicing itself out of anyone being able to afford to live there. Come on you pair of garnola eaters you have to have some type of a heart for this woman and others.
How are you going to be able to afford the tax increases and your student loan for the art college. LOLOLOL


jim jones read and weep

I don't have write a book full of hot air to get my point across like a moron like you. The truth hurts doesn't.

From an Art Colege what the hell are you talking about buddy. You truly are a moron....lol


No you just cry MAMA federal government funding , Oh the injustice that we dont have a stadium like the rest of the cities that are paying 5 million a year to maintain them. Then they are blackmailed by the tenant in a professional sports team.

The truth only hurts your thinking because the commonwealth games and a stadium are done and gone in halifax thanks to citizens with search engines

LOLOLOLO



Jim jones

PS what part of it costs 2 billion with maybe 250 million coming from the private sector dont you understand LOLOLOLOL

[QUOTE=HaliGuy]


No you just cry MAMA federal government funding , Oh the injustice that we dont have a stadium like the rest of the cities that are paying 5 million a year to maintain them. Then they are blackmailed by the tenant in a professional sports team.

The truth only hurts your thinking because the commonwealth games and a stadium are done and gone in halifax thanks to citizens with search engines

LOLOLOLO



Jim jones

PS what part of it costs 2 billion with maybe 250 million coming from the private sector dont you understand LOLOLOLOL

Still a year and a half to go buddy. Don't get to excited.

2 billion dallors.. I don't know weather to laugh or cry with such a ridiclious statement.

[QUOTE=Jonestowncultinpicto]

Still a year and a half to go buddy. Don't get to excited.

2 billion dallors.. I don't know weather to laugh or cry with such a ridiclious statement.


Well WILL it sounds like you were alone yesterday on the Rick Howe Show.
Finally the annoucement that shows that there is a growing opposition to the the CWG's. http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/512841.html

the 200 members of the HRM homeonwers association voted 200 to 0 to request the removal of halifax from the commonwealth games biding.

Like I have said the end is getting near. People know this is a boondoggle.
The anti games forces are winning support from lobby and advocate groups.

You know if you really what to threaten people with yuor crap about having a business here and beiong from Toronto please Go back to Toronto . we certainly Will not miss you. WILL you are just a BOOB. There I did what the Pro games people can only do besides offer hyperpboly. All you games people offer is name calling when the facts are layed out in front of you.

jim jones

Well lets put it this way Will the original estimate for Melbourne was 168 million dollars and it ended up at over 1.5 billion . If you have the original estimate at 500 million last august and times by 4 you get 2 billion. Now if 750 million is the original estimate and you times that by 2.67 you get 2 billion. If the original estimate is 785 million and you times that by 2.6 you get 2 billion.
Historically summer sports circus' have had cost over runs from 2.5 to 8 times the original estimate. Not very hard for it to become a 2 billion dollar bill when you have the recent history of the commonwealth games with huge cost overruns.

jim jones

the commonwealth games and a stadium are done and gone in halifax thanks to citizens with search engines
"LOLOLOL"

Also, where in that article does it say that they voted 200 to 0?

[QUOTE=HaliGuy]


Well WILL it sounds like you were alone yesterday on the Rick Howe Show.
Finally the annoucement that shows that there is a growing opposition to the the CWG's. http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/512841.html

the 200 members of the HRM homeonwers association voted 200 to 0 to request the removal of halifax from the commonwealth games biding.

Like I have said the end is getting near. People know this is a boondoggle.
The anti games forces are winning support from lobby and advocate groups.

You know if you really what to threaten people with yuor crap about having a business here and beiong from Toronto please Go back to Toronto . we certainly Will not miss you. WILL you are just a BOOB. There I did what the Pro games people can only do besides offer hyperpboly. All you games people offer is name calling when the facts are layed out in front of you.

jim jones

Rich Howe whine in show.. what a joke..lol.. who listens to that shit but a bunch whiner and complainers who have nothing else better to do with thier time. Shows like that make me sick. No normal people listens to that show anyway.

Another thing what in the hell are you talking about..are you drunk or samething because you make no sense. :booze: Talk about being a boob..geeech..have a few more drinks will yeah.

Show me a petition or a group of about 200,000 people (half of HRM population) and I'll be satisfied. These little groups of 1 or 200 aren't going to do anything.

"LOLOLOL"

Also, where in that article does it say that they voted 200 to 0?


There is no Article WILL I know the vote results because our favour anti games advocate told me two weeks ago after the vote.I have been sitting on the results for two weeks. It was 200 to 0 in favour of the motion to end the commonwealth games bid. A higher percentage then Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein or the President of North Korea would have with their elections. I was floored by the result. So all the councillors and the mayor can look forward to no funding for their re-election campaigns with the people in that organization that are made up of wealthly homeowners in the south end.

The Bob has 21 members and holding for 4 months that daily eat garnola on spring garden road and bum change for cigerettes from passers by. The anti games forces how have 200 powerful homeowners telling the Council that there is a price to pay if you keep going down the commonwealth games path. Price will be exacted at the next HRM election or maybe before as there are other legal means that are being explored. The validity of the mandate is in question even with some councillors asking that themselves.

Included in that list is Walter Nolan a former city councillor and former director of sports nova scotia I believe.You also have a former president of ST Marys University in that group as well.

You see the secret closed door meetings doesnt wash with the public in 2005/2006 with the internet to research the truth about Sport circus' like that commonwealth games. Peter Spuraway has left the 2014 committee to run the Halifax International Airport. That must say something like "gee I think a job with the airport is going to last longer then this CWG bid efford?"

Toronto's olympic dreams were stopped by Bread without Circus' and that was pre-internet search engine. People here know too well the tax increases that would come and the services that would be cut. If you are not provided with the answers by politicans then they are hinding something or to the benefit of anti games forces the preception. We saw it with montreal in 1976 and it would happen again in 2014 in Halifax. That is why the anti-games movement is gaining strength with the powerful in the city and beyond. Watch for a shot across the bow from the scottish media. Those people love this.

jim jones

Show me a petition or a group of about 200,000 people (half of HRM population) and I'll be satisfied. These little groups of 1 or 200 aren't going to do anything.

show me 200 people that are in favour of it that have no connection to the games committee. BOB must be a front for the committee as they would not even give their name to frank magazine for the bruce devenne article. LOLOLOL

You would think someone so proud of the Commonwealth Games concept would talk to the media.

Me I let bruce devenne and the growing number of supporters he is getting do the talking in the papers. I dig the dirt and other spread it around.

LOLOLOLO


Jim jones

Show me a petition or a group of about 200,000 people (half of HRM population) and I'll be satisfied. These little groups of 1 or 200 aren't going to do anything.

Well they certainly are concerning Mayor Peter Kelly otherwise he would not be addressing the issue or begging for more federal funding then was the case with every other Games.

They are beat because they know that if a budget comes out with the city having to commit more then originally stated last year that the taxpayer revolt will be in full swing. the best way for the anti-games forces is for the bid to be killed before Sri Lanka next year. The pressure is only increasing and no one is providing any proof that the commonwealth games benefits cities to the numbers advertized by the Halifax committee. That is why Fred Mac Gillevray is sitting on a ACOA report that cost the taxpayers 500,000 dollars for the 2002 domestic bid.

jim jones