Cebu Infrastructure and Urban Planning [Archive] - Page 15

Henz

March 14th, 2011, 12:21 PM

is this back to LRT vs. BRT discussion again? ha ha! :lol:

Hydraulics has a point he just deliver it differently..you people from SSC cebu has a point too and like a fraternity you are unitied as one.. only time will tell if you are right or wrong!

you guys should keep it cool! otherwise this thread will be locked or deleted!

i think he is a Filipino that is why i guess he is very concern about cebu's transportation needs. and very passionate about that!

Ambutlang pls. dont call anyone as gago..for all you know it points back at you instantly! by the way how long you've been in NYC? because your english, just like mine.. sucks! bisaya a na lang bai! pero ok lang na basta say it in a nice way na lang siguro next time.. i think you are the architect from naga too! am i correct? what was your other name again here?

unlike you kundili diri sa SSC forums dili sab nako ma practice ang akong english oi! :lol: :lol:

so everone will be appeased let us enjoy looking at this future Metro Cebu mass transportation system! and pls. love it too! :lol:

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in this issue.. your being a Cebuano is weighted more than your being a Filipino... IMO.

The problem is.. he keeps on assuming that 90%? of Cebuanos would choose LRT over BRT.... and that too much of an assumption rather a fact... ^^

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

March 14th, 2011, 04:32 PM

Traffic lights have now been replaced with new LED bulbs..

They're now as bright as the LED streetlights, hehehe..

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right! hopefully new developments in the city specifically SRP would have state-of-the-art and modern traffic system similar sa ubang places kay suya gyud kaayo ko! :lol::nuts::D

makatiprime

March 15th, 2011, 01:53 AM

gaya ng manila city, magaganda mga traffic lights nila, led at malalaki pa, pati yung poste maganda rin, srp is the next city in a city development that we people should patronized it and observed every little development as what other do

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

March 15th, 2011, 02:44 AM

^^
right! :okay:

I just hope we could have it in SRP also because practically, hindi na pwedeng palitan ang traffic system ng Cebu ngayon because it would literally be a waste of people's money especially if wala pa namang problema and functioning pa. if im not mistaken, Cebu was the first city in the country to install a similar traffic technology from Australia.:)

hydraulics

March 16th, 2011, 03:55 AM

I have no reply for ambutlang. I don't reply to a subway janitor. His thoughts and opinions are irrelevant and moot.

Since you brought out your data, you are supposed to post links to those data as a truthful poster is required to be! Where is your supposed poll results? SWS or any agency? Sorry, mom or dad can't hear ya!

If BRT is less of a thing for you or all your so-called city pool, why is BRT chosen over LRT by Neda? Another opinion debunked here! Don't you know that those charged with project assessments are knowledgeable guys? Why do people allow the "popular" minds decide when popular means "mediocre"? Egads, almost dropped from chair here!

Data results my dear indio are immaterial to the argument since it was very clear that it was drawn from opinion based on the law.

Neda with respect to its constitutional mandates, its powers functions and authority shall be guided by the principles of private initiative and devolution of powers that greater people participation in the development process may be achieved.

here are the requisites:
1. Private initiative, am I not private enough?
2. Devolution of Powers, there shall be maximum participation by and consultation with concerned private sector groups, community organizations and beneficiaries and local government units in order to ensure that priority needs are incorporated.
3. People's participation or initiative which nevertheless is also given importance and is strictly mandated in our 1987 constitution and the 1991 Local Government code.

Popular minds dog crap! It is very clear that the Government before doing suicidal acts such as BRT projects should consult the people for the true intention and the will of the Cebuano people DOES NOT RESIDE ON THE MAJORITY OPINIONS OF DUMB AND PEOPLE UNDER HYPNOTIC SPELLS HERE AT SKYSCRAPER CITY.

:cheer::cheer::cheer:

Parchie

March 16th, 2011, 07:23 AM

I have no reply for ambutlang. I don't reply to a subway janitor. His thoughts and opinions are irrelevant and moot.

Data results my dear indio are immaterial to the argument since it was very clear that it was drawn from opinion based on the law.

Neda with respect to its constitutional mandates, its powers functions and authority shall be guided by the principles of private initiative and devolution of powers that greater people participation in the development process may be achieved.

here are the requisites:
1. Private initiative, am I not private enough?
2. Devolution of Powers, there shall be maximum participation by and consultation with concerned private sector groups, community organizations and beneficiaries and local government units in order to ensure that priority needs are incorporated.
3. People's participation or initiative which nevertheless is also given importance and is strictly mandated in our 1987 constitution and the 1991 Local Government code.

Popular minds dog crap! It is very clear that the Government before doing suicidal acts such as BRT projects should consult the people for the true intention and the will of the Cebuano people DOES NOT RESIDE ON THE MAJORITY OPINIONS OF DUMB AND PEOPLE UNDER HYPNOTIC SPELLS HERE AT SKYSCRAPER CITY.

:cheer::cheer::cheer:

No answer found here. You can't give the data source because what you peddled are all lies! You don't have data to support your claim. You oughta be ashamed of yourself. Just say it's a hard question to answer boy! Here (http://100777.com/node/408)

hydraulics

March 16th, 2011, 10:06 AM

No answer found here. You can't give the data source because what you peddled are all lies! You don't have data to support your claim. You oughta be ashamed of yourself. Just say it's a hard question to answer boy! Here (http://100777.com/node/408)

Dear Parchie, your answer is clearly out of desperation, I expect better from a nuggets of wisdom fan like you.
Leave the bible wisdom out of this, its unnecessary.
Maybe you're just drunk out of your sunday school classes!:booze:

Why do you keep on insisting data, when my point is about people's initiative, which is both constitutional and licit.

You're on a democratic country aren't you?
I don't need to explain further, I'm not being paid to suffice your ignorance.

P.S. I'm getting tired of your juvenile pick up lines.

Henz

March 16th, 2011, 10:41 AM

One thing is clear @ hydraulics.. this is clear deception on your part..

Ito na nga ang PEOPLES INITIATIVE... NO TO TO LRT.. YES TO BRT!!!

Cant you hear it?

Ejames

March 16th, 2011, 12:07 PM

@ hydraulics - just take a rest and have some peace.. in short rest in peace..okay?

AmbutLang

March 16th, 2011, 05:06 PM

johnsniper

March 16th, 2011, 07:11 PM

nice bridge kaso d next president na mag iinagurate nyan kung bababa si GMA:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
diin ni brad?

Parchie

March 17th, 2011, 01:45 AM

A janitor earning $90K. :nuts: :lol:

Apply ko diha sir! Siguro mas dako ilang i-offer nako comparar sa "janitor". Hehehe. Nasobrahan ang bilib sa kaugalingon o humbug? Lisud diay ning uban kon makapatong sa kabaw! Hunahuna pareha na sila kadak-on sa kabaw! Langaw gihapon ka uy!

D'Transporter

March 17th, 2011, 04:39 PM

Parchie

March 18th, 2011, 06:00 AM

Guys, the most stressfull thing that I deal daily in life is having to deal with other people. Each person is different and the human brain is the most complex living matter that has been given to us humans unique to each individual. This is what make us very special and this is what makes our life very special. There are always going to be pros and cons, positives or negatives, response and reactions are going to be most of the time different. I see that some people here have a unique way of expressing themselves that can be distasteful for others. As bad as it can be for others but the intention might be similar but yet it might be different...but that's just the beauty of it, if the thoughts of different people are express and laid out for the rest of us to see then it makes us come up with better decisions. To make our lives better lets just try to react and respond with wit and grace and keep our emotions down. peace to all!

I agree with what you have just said.

But it's an injustice to answer verification questions with lies. I was just asking for the source of the figures he claimed vis a vis LRT vs BRT. Then you get replies on side issues about laws, blah blah blah. We allow claims and counterclaims for as long as there are supporting figures or data. What irks people is for others to keep lobbing claims that are unsubstantiated. Truth is what we are after. Other than that, its garbage!

SleMarKen

March 18th, 2011, 01:03 PM

AsoF 03-17-2011

Escario St. widening

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AmbutLang

March 21st, 2011, 07:58 AM

http://cdn.ph/news_details.php?id=9174

No demolition of sites, no tree-cutting—solon 3/21/2011

By Marian Z. Codilla, Reporter

Not one tree will be cut nor one heritage house torn down once a road widening project from Naga to Carcar cities is implemented, said Rep. Eduardo Gullas of Cebu's 1st district.
Gullas, proponent of the two-lane road project, said he envisioned widening the road heading to southern Cebu since 1992.
About 100 trees and six heritage houses lie along the roads from Naga to Carcar cities.
“My idea is to widen it but on the mandate that no trees will be cut. How the engineers will do it? They have to find ways and means. (The DPWH Secretary said it is a tall order) But I told him that’s what I want and that’s what the people want,” he said.
The first phase of the road widening project that started from Bulacao, Talisay City to Naga amounted to P513 million and was finished in 2006.
The second phase which covers a 20-kilometer stretch from Naga to Carcar and is budgeted at P270 million has yet to be implemented..
The entire P783 million budget for the road-widening project was only approved in 2003 after recommendation by the National Economic and Development Authority (Neda).
The Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) 2nd Engineering District started its survey on the structures to be affected and briefed residents on the project.
These residents told CEBU DAILY NEWS in a random interview they support the project.
They said they can’t do anything about saving the heritage houses and century-old trees.
But Gullas said the project's second phase was delayed because they haven’t figured out how to implement it without destroying the heritage houses and the precious trees.
“There are many heritage houses and I have met many heritage organizations of Carcar and I promised them no infrastructure will be made in Carcar that will destroy the heritage houses,” Gullas said.
Assistant District Engr. Suzette Nwanaka said the department will have to conduct feasibility studies to consider other options to improve the roads such as creating a parallel road from Valladolid and exit to Poblacion Carcar.
He said this would bypass the heritage houses and make the century-old trees a center island.
Provincial Engr. Eulogio Pelayre suggested building road islands in the national highway to incorporate the century-old trees and spare them from being cut down.
“It may cost a lot but there is enough space in the area..there are a lot of options,” said Pelayre. With Reporter Dale G. Israel

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SleMarKen

March 24th, 2011, 06:15 AM

flesh_is_weak

March 24th, 2011, 06:32 AM

back-reading...wow, that hydraulics thing has some isssues...

any updates on the BRT?

since our officials seem to be keen on being tree huggers (which is of course, good) my wishlist for the BRT would be to have the section along Osmena Blvd run underground, much like parts of Boston's Silver Line :) we can save the trees in the centre-islands, and those at the sidewalks at the same time (as an underground busway would mean there would be no need to expand the roadway on either side.) and while they're at it, they should also get rid of those skywalks and replace them with underpasses :)

makatiprime

March 24th, 2011, 02:57 PM

AsoF 03-24-2011

Mambaling flyover - Almost done. Burdens almost over...

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sino ang contractor nito? di maganda ang pagkakagawa, after 5 years ba babaguhin ulit to??? tingnan nyo ang finishing, minadali....

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

March 25th, 2011, 06:51 AM

^^
hindi pa yan 100% tapos. ako rin, parang sobrang concrete pero marahil kasi naninibago lang ako sa design nya kasi kadalasan steel railings ang nilalagay sa mga flyovers pero ito, cemento! baka kasi pagsteel railings ang ilalagay, nanakawin lang yan eventually ng mga informal settlers which is located a few meters lang from the flyover. baka pagnagyari yun, mauubos lahat ng steel railings at mas hindi na yun magandang tignan.

Sleepwalker

March 26th, 2011, 07:59 PM

An out of this world idea, but applicable and a bit exotic... :)

Wind-powered bamboo train for public transpo? (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=670201&publicationSubCategoryId=107)
(The Freeman) Updated March 27, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (0)

CEBU, Philippines - An environmental group headed by lawyer Antonio Oposa Jr. is asking P150,000 from the Cebu City government to establish an environment-friendly rail-based transportation system made of bamboo.

The money will be spent to fabricate a prototype of the first Filipino-made Pedal-Solar-and-Wind powered mini train, including the rail and other accessories.

The concept was introduced to the city government early this year during a seminar for heads of offices of the city where Oposa was resource speaker.

This is part of the Road Revolution he envisions for the city where the roads will no longer have a space for cars but for pedestrians, bicycles and mass transportation.

The prototype of the train he is proposing will cost P90,000 more or less. It will be composed of a direct current one horsepower motor, a battery drive, a lighting system using Light Emitting Diode bulbs, a wind shield that will serve as the solar panel, an area for cargo, pedals and 20 seats including seats for passengers with disabilities.

LED bulbs will be used for minimal power consumption. The front shield will be the solar panel while at the back of the train will be the wind operated generator that will charge the batteries.

The pedal is an option to run the train if the passengers would prefer to exercise and not depend on the electric motor.

Oposa’s group, the Law of Nature Foundation, has preferred the use of electric motor over diesel, gasoline or LPG to zero out carbon emission.

The prototype will be made of natural materials. The body will be made from a fiberglass laminated woven bamboo otherwise known as “sawali” or “amakan.”

The flooring will also be made of bamboo instead of steel plate while canvass for the roofing.

Oposa, in his letter to Mayor Michael Rama, said they intend to start running the proposed rail-based transportation system by June 12, 2011 as part of a declaration of independence from fossil fuel.

“It must be mentioned that the city government will own this prototype and that we are donating our services, including the idea. We assure you that this will be the pride and joy of your administration and will become the toast of the world in due time,” Oposa said.

City Administrator Jose Marie Poblete said that since Oposa’s letter is addressed to the mayor, it will be the mayor who will decide where to source the fund should the city grant the request for funding.

He said that the project is relevant considering that Cebu is struggling with the soaring prices of gasoline.

“It is worth looking into but as to the funding, it will be up to the mayor. Kung asa ibutang, tan-awonon pa na. But it will be a good idea for tourists sites,” Poblete said.

The same group has asked the city council to close the entire stretch of the road from Capitol to Plaza Independencia except for one lane on June 4 for the “Road Revolution” project.

The Road Revolution project seeks to promote a reform of the present road system that does not give way to non-motorized locomotion systems such as walking and bicycling. The project promotes the use of bicycles as alternative to cars.

The request has been approved by the Committee on Parks and Playground Ecology and Environment pending feedback from the City Traffic Operations Management. — Jessica Ann R. Pareja/FPL (THE FREEMAN)

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Panzer_18

March 28th, 2011, 07:07 AM

^^:lol:... post for a commercial break!!!...:D

SleMarKen

March 30th, 2011, 03:52 PM

Dia na say update sa Mambaling Flyover... 03-29-2011

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SleMarKen

April 4th, 2011, 01:22 PM

AsoF 04-04-2011

N. Escario St. road widening

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Jimbu

April 12th, 2011, 07:27 PM

Flyover may open before classes start (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=675829&publicationSubCategoryId=107)
By Jessica Ann R. Pareja/LPM (The Freeman)
April 13, 2011 12:00

CEBU, Philippines - If the Department of Public Works and Highways will see that it is safe for the use of motorists even while the construction of the phase 2 is ongoing, the Mambaling flyover is more likely to be opened before classes start in June.

DPWH Cebu City District Engineer Nicomedes Leonor said that once the center island is removed, the DPWH-7 might allow the flyover’s opening. The center island is close to the flyover and poses risk to motorists.

Leonor said the five-month waiting period that DPWH-7 director Pedro Herrera Jr. said is a conservative guess because they have to consider not just the time needed for the actual construction but all the paper works to be done to start with the phase 2.

Phase 2 includes the removal of the center island and widening of the side roads. The widening of the side roads has a P100 million budget.

“It was only a conservative guess from our regional director but I’m sure that when all the paper works are done, there is no need to wait for five months to make the flyover passable,” Leonor said.

He explained that Herrera might be considering possible delays in the approval of the phase 2 plan, which is done in their central office in Manila.

“Syempre naa man na’y mga requirements ang central office that we need to comply. We don’t want to make shortcuts. We even sent a stay-in personnel there aron kung naa’y kulangan sa requirements, adto na lang ma-correct,” Leonor said.

“Kaming tanan ganahan na mapaspasan ni, but we also have limitations on out part. Naa’y department order, naa’y procurement law that we need to follow,” he added.

The construction of the flyover, which is a national government project, is worth over P110 million.

Once the DPWH main office approves the plan is the only time the phase 2 will be bid out. And since the project costs more than P50 million, only the main office may conduct the bidding.

This is a new policy of DPWH under President Benigno Aquino III.

Leonor said they are only after the safety of motorists who are vulnerable to accidents if they open the flyover for use when there are things that are not yet fixed.

Mayor Michael Rama suggests that the flyover be opened for one way while the construction of phase 2 is ongoing. Motorists taking the other way may take the main road.

Rama is set to meet with officials of DPWH officials, City Traffic Operations and Management and Barangay Mambaling, and the contractors to discuss how they make the flyover available to the public at least at the start of classes. – (FREEMAN)

junstein

April 14th, 2011, 07:43 AM

GRABE KA DUGAY BAHHHHHHH!!!!

Sleepwalker

April 17th, 2011, 08:02 PM

Og dia ra ang tubag sa atong LGU! Payback time!

Kudos to ex-Mayor Osmena for making Cebu economically sound....and kudos to Mayor Rama for implementing some much needed projects... :cheers:

Roads compose most of infra work (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/2011/04/17/roads-compose-most-infra-work-150875)
Comment | More | By Princess Dawn H. Felicitas

Sunday, April 17, 2011

THE Cebu City Government will implement 295 infrastructure projects worth at least P1.4 billion this year.

Engr. June Nadine Sison said these projects include, among others, road concreting in some 42 streets in the city, drainage, ripraps, bridges and asphalting.

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Sison heads the construction division of the Department of Engineering and Public Works.

She said the City appropriated P100 million for road concreting.

They have identified 42 streets in 30 barangays: 15 in the north district and 15 in the south.

Road area

Under the budgetary estimates of the road concreting contract, each of the 30 barangays will have a road area of 1,940.24 square meters to be concreted at P3.3 million per project.

In the south district, the road concreting will be implemented in Barangays Babag, Bonbon, Buhisan, Buot-Taup, Guadalupe, Kalunasan, Pamutan, Pung-ol Sibugay, Sapang-daku, Sinsin, Sudlon I, Sudlon II, Tabunan, Tag-ba-o and Toong.

In the north, it will be implemented in Barangays Binaliw, Pulang-bato, Mabini, Paril, Cambino-cot, Agsungot, Guba, Sirao, Adlaon, Taptap, Budlaan, Lusaran, San Jose, Banilad and Malubog.

The City also appropriated P100 million for asphalting that will be implemented in 37 areas, covering 25 barangays.

The asphalting projects will be implemented in Barangays Kinasang-an, Cogon Pardo, Mambaling, Duljo Fatima, San Nicolas Proper, Calamba, Punta Princesa, Suba, Sambag I, Sambag II, Mabolo, Ka-sambagan, Tinago, San Roque, Sto. Niño, Ermita, Pahina Central, Kamaga-yan, San Antonio, Sta. Cruz, Talamban, Bacayan and Pit-os.

Undermanned

The biggest allocation goes to the rehabilitation of the Talamban-Bacayan-Pit-os Road (P19.5 million).

In an interview with Sun.Star Cebu, Sison said their engineers are working overtime to
prepare the program of works and estimates (Powe) for the projects.

Sison said that of the 295 funded projects, 192 have been identified. Of the number, she said they still have to make 128 Powe.

“Ga-overtime na gyud mi to cope sa kadaghan sa projects (We’re working overtime to cope with the projects). I only have eight engineers in my division,” she said.

Sison said the remaining Powe will be finished by May or June.

Sleepwalker

April 17th, 2011, 08:03 PM

Og dia pa'y lain nga good news! :banana:

Cebu DepEd project to construct 64 school buildings in province (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/2011/04/17/cebu-deped-project-construct-64-school-buildings-province-150876)
Comment | More | By Oscar C. Pineda

ABOUT P162.74 million is now ready to build 64 school buildings in 28 towns in Cebu Province.

The project is divided into 44 clusters and each cluster will get an allocation from the Department of Education (DepEd) Central Office.

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A similar project will start in Mandaue City next month after they complete the bidding process, Administrative Officer Benjamin Tiongson of the city schools division said. Tiongson is the vice chairman of the bids and awards committee (BAC), chaired by
Superintendent Ninfa Bongo.

Spread in different towns

He said their P20-million allocation from the DepEd Central Office is intended for the Ibabao Elementary School, Mandaue City Comprehensive High School, Canduman National High School and Tabok National High School.

Based on the published invitation to bid, the P162 million Cebu DepEd project will be spread in different towns; each town may receive more than a cluster and many construction sites.

Minglanilla town, for example, has four clusters and five construction sites. Three sites are for a proposed two-story four-classroom building, one in Lipata Central Elementary School, another in the Lipata National High School and a third one in the Camp 7 National High school.

The fourth construction site will be a two-classroom building in the Vito Elementary School and the fifth site is a three-classroom building in Calajoan Elementary School.

Dr. Gregorio Cyrus Elejorde, BAC chairman and Cebu Schools Division assistant superintendent, invited contractors through a published ad in national broadsheets.

The project must be done in 90 to 120 calendar days and may start after the awarding in the middle of May.

50-percent increase

In the first quarter this year, Cebu Gov. Gwen Garcia increased the Provincial School Board’s (PSB) fund allocation by more than 50 percent, compared to last year’s amount.

The PSB fund went from P115.4 million in 2010 to P177.8 million this year.

Garcia said the increase was intended to address the demand for educational supplies, more teachers and classrooms for DepEd’s K+12 program next school year.

The program stretches the existing 10-year basic education program to 12 years.

Provincial Engineering Office records revealed that as of Jan. 31, 2011, the Capitol has constructed 429 two-classroom school buildings, worth P303.988 million, and spent P9.442 million to rehabilitate old school buildings.

Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on April 17, 2011.

bintaro

April 18th, 2011, 10:44 AM

Mga bai kataw-anan manang escario nga dapit oi kay inig agi nato diha dapita kay daghan kaayong mga wire nag nagkombitay murag anananggal hehehe. Bitaw the city government and veco have to do something about that area because it's very adjacent to cebu's cbd, many tourist past that area there and it's an eye sore, much better if malimpyo siya, hopefully establishments in that area there will also have initiatives to tidy the area. But in fairness the road is already wide making the motoring public breath a little bit.

bintaro

April 18th, 2011, 11:05 AM

Hahaha this is not a discussion anymore but a debate. When I was reading this thread I was laughing and my wife asked me why I laughed. Yeah, I think the bottom line for Cebu's public transportation is it's soundness to the people and environment which means beneficial to the people and friendly to the environment, no matter what type of transpo as long as it supports the will of cebuanos.

bintaro

April 18th, 2011, 11:21 AM

Mga bai buanga tinuod nang mga pictures nga gi post ni hydraulics,kanang corominas ug mga mini bus sa carcar mga smoke belchers kaayo na bai, actually I regularly go to balamban and ride those corominas buses and I can say that they are full pledge smoke belchers. I also observed that buses in Manila is much more desirable when we compare it to our provincial buses, mostly are dilapidated na gyud tawn hahahay, when can Cebu bus operators update and upgrade their units? Itaga nalang natin sa bato.

bintaro

April 18th, 2011, 11:38 AM

^^

right! Cebu can't built wide expressways anymore along its coasts or even put overhead railways along with it because it would eat up a lot of space especially that Cebu's national roads are narrow. The best way to put it is no other than to place it underground. And if that happens we might as well include all power lines and communication wires buried all together underground. That would be excellent! :okay:

:cheers: right bai excellent idea, it's quiet costly but if our politicos have strong political will to implement huge and visionary projects like what you had mentioned all of us can benefit it not just today but for a lifetime. It's so nice to look at our side streets free from hanging cables and wires, since it's the cables and wires that makes our streets look topsy turby. Let's just look Singapore
and hongkong, I don't think we cannot do it also in Cebu, it's just a matter of will and determination with of course the right leader.

AmbutLang

April 19th, 2011, 04:09 AM

junstein

April 19th, 2011, 08:38 AM

oy kanusa mag train na nag cebu ?????

MatudNilaBaby

April 20th, 2011, 06:02 AM

oy kanusa mag train na nag cebu ?????

with flyover sprouting every corner in the city, i think thats a prelude to having elevated lrts to alleviate the traffic congestions in the metro area. for sure brt is not enough to solve all our traffice problems. kon maanad nata ug tan-aw nga dunay elevated area sa dalan murag normal na kaayo. so kon dunay elevated lrt/monorail structures sa atong kadalanan dili nakaayo bakikaw sa atong panan-aw.

zidlakan

April 20th, 2011, 06:30 AM

... for sure brt is not enough to solve all our traffice problems. ...

any particular technical study or discussion to support that? i have copies of
practically all the previous studies made in the last 20 years but i have not come
across that sure conclusion. on the contrary, the last study confirmed that it is.

Panzer_18

April 20th, 2011, 06:52 AM

^^.... that is? ... :yes: i hope these will be implmented soon :)

bigeagle198

April 20th, 2011, 01:45 PM

Hello from Germany,

I was not online for a long time, the last time I was in Cebu is nearly 14 months ago. Now my questions:

Who is the winner of the Bus or Train Question?

What is the actual progress?

=>Planning or already start with building?

Im far away from you, so it is difficult to find out the actual situation. And my mind is very often in Cebu.

Alfred

kenken94

April 20th, 2011, 02:57 PM

^^ The Bus is already on the table and the studies are going well. The trains we're scrapped. ehehe.

bigeagle198

April 20th, 2011, 03:08 PM

^^ The Bus is already on the table and the studies are going well. The trains we're scrapped. ehehe.

Honestly the train was my favorite...

bintaro

April 20th, 2011, 03:16 PM

bintaro

April 20th, 2011, 03:22 PM

Honestly the train was my favorite...

:lol: I'm also a big fan for the train bro, but a BRT also is a very good option if we talk about cost and instant solution for the chronic traffic situation in Cebu. The train is for long term and needs massive amount of investment to build but environmentally sound due to it's zero emission.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

April 21st, 2011, 04:23 AM

I just hope that the buses that are going to be utilise for the BRT system will be all articulated to save cost and reduce the number of buses rolling in the streets as well as reduce CO2 emission since only one engine that will be needed to pull 2 carriages, just like in Singapore. Indonesia already had articulated buses rolling in their busways and it looks more economical and more importantly Indonesia's BRT system or commonly known as TransJakarta are using CNG or compress natural gas.

yeah! i'm pretty sure its one of the things they're trying to study in the FS. I really do hope they'd utilize the articulated buses coz yes its economical bec. it would literally save cost and the number of buses and also, hope they'll use CNG to help reduce greenhouse gases.

zidlakan

April 21st, 2011, 07:40 AM

frankly, i don't think we'll be seeing articulated buses on cebu city streets. at
least not just yet. the choice between single body, articulated, or bi-articula-
ted vehicles for BRTs is based primarily on ridership levels at peak hours, as
well as the daily average, and not on anything else. of course, i understand
the penchant and desire for the bi-articulated designs of bogota and all the
other bigger cities but that's just because the ridership in those cities require it.
much as we wish we could have it, we have to contend with the fact that cebu
city and even metro cebu is a small metropolis by world's standards.

let me put it simply - its a matter of numbers. if we use a standard vehicles,
and it will run at 5 min intervals, replacing it with bi-articulated buses will mean
that they will run at 30 min intervals. now thats not a good service, right? you
might have a bigger, sexier BRT, but you have to wait 30 min for the next bus.
it's really a question of math. we might be considering it but really sometime
much later in the decade...

Wolfranz

April 21st, 2011, 08:10 AM

I hope the coaches will be Volvo or Mercedes Benz. Hahaha. That would change the perception that BRT is cheap and trains are "sosyal", blah blah blah..

bintaro

April 21st, 2011, 12:50 PM

TransJakarta here Indonesia are using Hino, Daewoo and Mercedes Benz, and they really look good on the busways. One important thing to consider about BRT system is the encroachment of other vehicles inside the busway. Here in Indonesia private vehicles and motorcycles are so common to see encroaching the busway which in turn causes the bus to halt. Hopefully Cebu will have a strict rules prohibiting the motorist to pass by the busway intended for the BRT because it will cause traffic and hamper the flow of the scheduled trip per BRT. That's 1 thing the citom has to consider, because that's what I observed here in Jakarta, by the way I'm basing in Jakarta, Indonesia right now.

bintaro

April 21st, 2011, 01:01 PM

I'll post some pictures of BRT system here in Indonesia including the gridlock of the busway due to massive vehicle encroachment hehehe. Extreme rules should be implemented and enforced for Cebu's brt and of course severe penalty for offenders in order for them to learn and have discipline..go Cebu

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

April 21st, 2011, 01:52 PM

MatudNilaBaby

April 22nd, 2011, 08:53 AM

any particular technical study or discussion to support that? i have copies of
practically all the previous studies made in the last 20 years but i have not come
across that sure conclusion. on the contrary, the last study confirmed that it is.

there are news articles that we can google of failed brts in canada, australia and latelly india.

zidlakan

April 22nd, 2011, 09:31 AM

there are news articles that we can google of failed brts in canada, australia and latelly india.

precisely! that's why these were also considered in the studies, especially
the cause of the lapses which were mainly implementation issues and not
transport issues (the one in india is political and lack of social preparation).
but we're taking about cebu here, and if BRT is not adequate in terms of
transport solution, then more so with the rail which cost many times over
for the same transport LOS (level of service) in a country where the economic
internal rate of return (EIRR) should not exceed the social discount rate (SDR)
of the total benefit stream. sorry but i can't just understand when you say
the BRT is not enough, then offer a rail solution which has a small fraction
of the feasibility indicators (EIRR, BCR, NPV) of the BRT (see first study of
the proposed mass transport system for cebu in 1992, the 3 previous studies
of the LRT, and the cebu BRT pre-FS).

earlier this month, DOTC signed the official letter of the Philippine Gov't.
to the World Bank requesting for the full-blown study of the cebu BRT. this
is the last official act that makes it a GO project for the philippine govern-
ment. i really hope all of you supports this because this is it na. unless
all the top officials of the DOTC, the department of finance (DOF), the na-
tional economic and development authority (NEDA) and the World Bank are
complete morons, the project is considered more feasible and workable than
the LRT proposal which has been repeatedly studied for almost 2 decades
and could not get the funding it requires. as i said elsewhere in this forum,
rail solutions may find itself feasible in the future and at a development
stage of the country when the per capita GDP may support a substantial
family expenditure for transportation, but until that time comes, we need
to spur the economy with a transport solution which is already has the
imprimatur of government and financing institutions. i should not be saying
this but AYALA is already going to build a BRT between fort bonifacio and
makati and last week, ayala people met with me and asked about the cebu
project because they said they are quite "interested." and SM and
Filinvest alread wrote DOTC asking when the BRT will connect to them. do
you think these businessmen are naive in asking for the BRT instead of
the LRT? or even investing in one? without asking for subsidy?

let's continue talking about the LRT, or as i have always preferred, an
underground subway system in the future. but let's support the BRT for now
for it may just be our ticket in getting a rail one ...

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

April 22nd, 2011, 09:45 AM

precisely! that's why these were also considered in the studies, especially
the cause of the lapses which were mainly implementation issues and not
transport issues (the one in india is political and lack of social preparation).
but we're taking about cebu here, and if BRT is not adequate in terms of
transport solution, then more so with the rail which cost many times over
for the same transport LOS (level of service) in a country where the economic
internal rate of return (EIRR) should not exceed the social discount rate (SDR)
of the total benefit stream. sorry but i can't just understand when you say
the BRT is not enough, then offer a rail solution which has a small fraction
of the feasibility indicators (EIRR, BCR, NPV) of the BRT (see first study of
the proposed mass transport system for cebu in 1992, the 3 previous studies
of the LRT, and the cebu BRT pre-FS).

earlier this month, DOTC signed the official letter of the Philippine Gov't.
to the World Bank requesting for the full-blown study of the cebu BRT. this
is the last official act that makes it a GO project for the philippine govern-
ment. i really hope all of you supports this because this is it na. unless
all the top officials of the DOTC, the department of finance (DOF), the na-
tional economic and development authority (NEDA) and the World Bank are
complete morons, the project is considered more feasible and workable than
the LRT proposal which has been repeatedly studied for almost 2 decades
and could not get the funding it requires. as i said elsewhere in this forum,
rail solutions may find itself feasible in the future and at a development
stage of the country when the per capita GDP may support a substantial
family expenditure for transportation, but until that time comes, we need
to spur the economy with a transport solution which is already has the
imprimatur of government and financing institutions. i should not be saying
this but AYALA is already going to build a BRT between fort bonifacio and
makati and last week, ayala people met with me and asked about the cebu
project because they said they are quite "interested." and SM and
Filinvest alread wrote DOTC asking when the BRT will connect to them. do
you think these businessmen are naive in asking for the BRT instead of
the LRT? or even investing in one? without asking for subsidy?

let's continue talking about the LRT, or as i have always preferred, an
underground subway system in the future. but let's support the BRT for now for it may just be our ticket in getting a rail one ...

GO! GO! GO BRT CEBU!!! :banana::banana::banana:

Yes! we should all support this development! :cheers:

bintaro

April 22nd, 2011, 12:16 PM

BRT in Cebu will not fail if it will be precisely planned and implemented, and it's better to zero the PUJs plying to major thorough fares in the metropolitan to achieve excellent ridership but provide the PUJ drivers with alternative source of living such as drivers for the new BRT, mechanics and maintenance and other works regarding BRT operation. I'm sure the city government will not also turn their kettle upside down. So BRT for now but it's undeniable to say that we also badly need mass rail transit not only for metro Cebu but for the entire island of Cebu. Our leaders have to be visionaries if they don't like to have a choking future.

bintaro

April 22nd, 2011, 01:26 PM

I support Metro Cebu KMK bus, I hope the operator will invest more on providing more bus units for the riding public since the bus company is already popular in the city of naga, and also improve their buses standards and service.

isla

April 22nd, 2011, 06:29 PM

Yes BRT for now since it's already a GO. But I continue to believe that both BRT and MRT can co exist in the near future. While BRT is suitable for Cebu City, MRT is also suitable for the entire Metro Cebu. We will support BRT of course but our leaders should also allow proposals for MRT to run its course for the future of the entire island, not just Cebu city bcoz not everything starts and ends in Cebu city.:)

zidlakan

April 23rd, 2011, 12:51 AM

the decision will not based n what you (or i or anybody else) believe, but
rather on what is the reality. i think we have already agreed in this thread
(or was it the other thread which was closed due to misuse) that the final
determinant for any project will be feasibility indicators, thus

feasible? = yes
not feasible? - no

so i agree - any proposal from anybody should be allowed to take its due
course for as long as the proponent submits and proves its technical, econo-
mic, and financial feasibility.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

April 23rd, 2011, 12:55 AM

^^
yes. actually our leaders are visionaries. and i agree with sir @zid, we base on what is reality and having an LRT/MRT for now is not yet feasible for Cebu. :)

bintaro

April 23rd, 2011, 04:10 AM

@sir Zidlakan, mga when is the possible time this BRT will start operation to our city streets? It's a great convenience and save time for the riding public if the BRT will be in it's full swing. I'm looking forward for the development of the new MCIAA terminal I'm quiet excited. The design is superb very nice indeed it will really compliment with The BRT.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

April 23rd, 2011, 07:14 AM

^^
sure na gyud diay tong design sa MCIAA T2? :D:banana:

bintaro

April 23rd, 2011, 08:42 AM

Dili pa seguro bro, but I'm just looking forward for it, hopefully matinood to nga design sa T2 Kay nice kaayo, Dako pa man nang space sa may ebuen airfield, nindot gyud Kung diva tukuron ang T2

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

April 23rd, 2011, 08:48 AM

^^
:hilarious

diva gyud?! bitaw bro, nindot gyud tong T2. unsa man atong ipost balik?! :lol::D

bintaro

April 24th, 2011, 12:31 PM

Hehehe maayo gyud e post ug balk bro para daghan ma inspire mga cebuano unya para ma encourage pod ug maayo atong mga leaders to put the project in reality. Tourist capital of the Philippines gud ta so dapat Lang gyud nag nindot ug Dako atone airport for future projection para maka accommodate sa growing passenger volume.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

April 24th, 2011, 12:50 PM

^^
bitaw. payts gyud tong bagong terminal. :okay:

MatudNilaBaby

April 24th, 2011, 10:17 PM

GO! GO! GO BRT CEBU!!! :banana::banana::banana:

Yes! we should all support this development! :cheers:

for sure the cebuano people will be supportive of the future brt especially if they rely mostly nn jeepneys as their sole means of transportation. we need to start educating our school youths and ordinary citizens about the benefits of riding a much cleaner vehicle and its impact to our city environment. information dissemination must start now in both print and broadcast media even if it is still far away from completion.

kay mag depende raman pud na sa anad2 sa atong huna2 and kinaiya. kon maanad na ang tao sa pamaagi sa brt then that becomes the new standard.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

April 25th, 2011, 01:35 AM

^^
tinuod gyud sir. BRT is a step towards a more organize transport system and a new cleaner means of transportation! step-by-step matud nila....baby! jowk lang sir ha! :D:nocrook::nuts:

bintaro

April 25th, 2011, 04:23 AM

:cheers:for sure the cebuano people will be supportive of the future brt especially if they rely mostly nn jeepneys as their sole means of transportation. we need to start educating our school youths and ordinary citizens about the benefits of riding a much cleaner vehicle and its impact to our city environment. information dissemination must start now in both print and broadcast media even if it is still far away from completion.

kay mag depende raman pud na sa anad2 sa atong huna2 and kinaiya. kon maanad na ang tao sa pamaagi sa brt then that becomes the new standard.

:cheers::banana: Sakto gyud kaayo ka bro anad anad raman gyud na, if maanad nata okay na ang pwera lang sa mga Tao nga gahi gyud ug ulo ug walay disiplina nag Kung mag remind ta masuko hehehe. Vitas information dissemination gyud import ante kaayo for the success of the BRT project.

cnight

April 27th, 2011, 12:56 PM

i can almost hear fejodap and 1utak chanting their protests. sana lang we can find a way to absorb them into the BRT system.

bintaro

May 2nd, 2011, 06:53 AM

I think those transport groups can also benefit with the implementation of the BRT in Cebu. BRT needs couple of hundreds or even thousands of buses plying every hour to major thorough fares in the greater cebu area and therefore there's a need to hire experienced drivers, mechanics, bus attendant for every bus in which can be sourced from several thousand jeepney drivers. There's also a need for some I.T.s and ticketing attendant per station. So I believed some of our jeepney drivers and transport groups need not to worry because for sure the agencies responsible for the BRT is also considering their sentiments of losing their livelihood.

bintaro

May 2nd, 2011, 07:05 AM

hmmmmm I can't wait to board those aircon buses around metro cebu, so convenient and comfortable and clean.

bintaro

May 2nd, 2011, 07:09 AM

jeepneys are only things of the past, it's about time to evolve into the next level in terms of comfort,cost, effeciency and technology. http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/companies/10540-transport-firm-to-build-electric-bus-fleet

Sleepwalker

May 5th, 2011, 06:18 PM

The late Vice Gov. Sanchez was indeed serious on his proposed Trans-axial Highway.

May his dream materializes and his soul will rest in peace.

PNoy to look into Trans-Axial plan (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=683074&publicationSubCategoryId=107)
By Rene U. Borromeo (The Freeman) Updated May 06, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (0)

CEBU, Philippines - Departed Vice Governor Gregorio Sanchez’s dream of a Trans-Axial Highway in Cebu province need not die with him.

This as his family handed documents pertaining to the ambitious project to President Benigno Aquino III yesterday morning. The president flew in from Manila to pay his last respects to Sanchez, who ran with him under the banner of the Liberal Party.

Sanchez had long pushed for the construction of the highways that would traverse from Daanbantayan in the northern tip of the island to Santander in the south.

This is seen as a solution to the lack of development in the remote areas in the mountains of the province.

Aquino accepted the documents and promised to look into the proposal and see if this can be pursued during his administration.

The documents as well as a printout of a letter that Sanchez had intended to send to the president to apprise Aquino of his health condition, were handed to the president by Grecilda Zaballero, the eldest daughter of the late vice governor.

A few months before his death, Sanchez told The Freeman that he was hoping that President Aquino will do something about the Trans-Axial Highway so the project will be realized and this can be considered as one of his biggest projects in Cebu.

Sanchez made the proposal in 2006, but the project was not realized allegedly because of politics.

Early this year, Sanchez had told the reporters that he had sent a letter addressed to President Aquino for him to evaluate multi-billion-peso project.

Zaballero said that when she scanned the personal computer of her father, she found a letter addressed to the president and thinking that it was not yet sent to Malacañang, she had it printed and gave the president a copy yesterday.

Zaballero also gave President Aquino some documents related to the controversial purchase of the Balili property in Tinaan, Naga City that was bought by the Capitol officials at P97 million even if a huge part is underwater.

Her purpose of giving President Aquino the documents, including her father’s counter-affidavit, is for him to understand that her father did not get even a single centavo out of the proceeds of the questionable purchase of the property.

Clad in black pants and polo shirt with his trademark yellow ribbon on his left pocket, President Aquino arrived at the Crystal Palace in Nivel Hills, Lahug at exactly 9:56 a.m.

He was accompanied by former Cebu City Councilor Hilario Davide Jr. and other Liberal Party (LP) officials.

The president immediately went to the casket of Sanchez accompanied by Zaballero and her sister Gerlyda Sanchez-Spiller. Aquino said a silent prayer and half a minute later went to a room for a private talk with the Sanchez family.

The vice governor died last April 29 at the age of 68 after losing his battle with lung cancer.

Since the meeting was private, the Presidential Security Group barred others from going in including Reps. Benhur Salimbangon of the 4th District and Luigi Quisumbing of the 6th as well as Mandaue City Mayor Jonas Cortes.

The closed-door meeting between President Aquino and the family and close friends of Sanchez lasted only for a couple of minutes. At exactly 10:10 a.m. President Aquino left Crystal Palace and refused to grant an interview.

He was to head straight to Calbayog, Samar to also pay his last respects to the slain mayor Reynaldo Uy.

Meanwhile, Zaballero thanked Cebu City South District Rep. Tomas R. Osmeña for helping them have her father’s US visa renewed.

She said that they wanted to bring her father to the United States.

“Dad-on unta namo si Daddy sa United States sigun sa tambag ni Congressman Osmeña apan ang problema kay expire na ang iyang VISA,” Zaballero said.

Osmeña called up the president who personally facilitated the renewal of Sanchez’ US visa.

Zaballero said they received the new via of her father one day before he passed on.

Sanchez is scheduled to be laid to rest this Saturday in Lapu-Lapu City. — /NLQ (FREEMAN)

Thousands joins walk launching beautification drive (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=683088&publicationSubCategoryId=107)
By Mitchelle L. Palaubsanon/BRP (The Freeman) Updated May 06, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (0)

CEBU, Philippines - Thousands of Cebuanos joined the “Beautify Cebu Unity Walk” led by Governor Gwendolyn Garcia, Mayor Michael Rama and philanthropist Mariquita Salimbangon-Yeung.

“Let us join hands in beautifying not just Cebu City nor Cebu province but our own Cebu, atong Sugbo and be part of the history that will continue to show to the country that we are one people that stands to be a beacon of hope, willing to show everyone that it can be done. We will beautify Cebu, it will be done,” Garcia said in her speech at the Capitol after the unity walk.

Yeung, chairwoman of the Cebu Beautification Movement Foundation Inc. invited all Cebuanos to help restore the beauty of Cebu by way of donating funds.

She herself donated P1 million for the restoration of Osmeña Blvd. dubbed as “Osmeña Boulevard Restoration Project”.

Yeung and her team of equally enthusiastic women from the different sectors seek to raise millions of pesos for the beautification project which includes lighting the trees, installing lampposts and concreting with bricks the sidewalks of the boulevard.

The beautification group is targeting to complete the project in time for Christmas.

The group earlier agreed that in order to raise funds, they will conduct a concert for a cause with Cebuano celebrities as well as concert king Martin Nievera. They also plan to hold a fashion show for a cause and an auction, among others.

Several groups from the academe, police, street vendors and other volunteer groups joined the unity walk despite the rain.

“I am so glad that many have participated and joined in the walk bisan nag-uwan,” Yeung said.

Yeung said that while the city government does not have to spend for the project it shall be in charge of the maintenance to ensure that the lights and other materials that will be put up for the restoration will not be stolen. (FREEMAN)

bintaro

May 6th, 2011, 03:26 AM

@sleepwalker bitaw bro, I've heard that transaxial highway project of vice gov. Sanchez a long time ago, but it wasn't putninto action due to some political interventions. Hopefully our president will consider it as major infrastructure project to be built in Cebu under his PPP agenda. It will really of a big help for each local town as a means of fast and easy connectivity, it's a great project to be materialized soon. About the beautification project, it's a very good idea, it's so nice to roam around our beloved city which is clean and eye pleasing. I have an Indonesian friend and he told me that the best city for him all of the cities in the Philippines is Pampanga because it's clean and well organize. So organization and cleanliness is a big factor to consider and I salute for our fellow cebuano guys initiating the project, two thumbs up for them.

Sleepwalker

May 6th, 2011, 03:43 AM

^^Yes... If Pampanga, Davao or Bacolod can do it, we also can! And the good thing is, it is one of the priority of Mayor Rama.

bintaro

May 6th, 2011, 05:45 AM

Bitaw cleanliness and organization gyud Kay mo compliment siya sa BRT. Nindot gyud na nga project ang beautification sa Cebu City, kana pod untang mga tanum sa center island mas nindot siya if mas maatiman pa gyud Kay ang uban ni aksyon na gyud ug kamatay. Dire bitaw sa Jakarta green man gyud dire,daghang lugar sa city nga landung gyud tungod sa mga kahoy. Hopefully ma ok napod ang implementation sa garbage segregation and collection no? Kay import ante gyud siya labi na sa downtown area nga ang mga sidewalk vendors ug prutas pataka Lang pod ug labay sa mga plastic ang mga mamalitay Dili nalang gyud kasulod sa ilang bulsa nga gamay Raman unta,hahay daghan pa gyud wala disiplina ug wala pakialam nga atong mga kaigsoonan.

bintaro

May 6th, 2011, 05:56 AM

Pero ang transaxial mas nice Kung ma construct gyud siya kay rapid Raba ang urbanization sa Cebu karun. Lisod ug walay mga arterial and alternative roads and highways, segurado buhol buhol gyud ang traffic Kay wala tay lain karsada gawas sa ato karsada going north and south which is tiguwang pa nako unya wala gyud major upgrades. Ang 4 lanes until city of naga Lang sa south unya consolation pod sa north.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

May 6th, 2011, 06:40 AM

^^
i hope mahinayon gyud ang trans-axial project and im happy that pnoy is looking into it. malipay gyud siguro og dako si aning gov. sanchez.

thearcangel

May 6th, 2011, 11:58 AM

Mas maayo bitaw gyud kung madayon ang Trans-Axial Highway kay di na baya gyud kapugngan ang paglambo sa entire province sa Cebu labi na gyud sa metro area at least kon naa na ni pwede na ka nga di na moagi sa sentro kon gikan ka south then ang imong tuyo naa sa northern part, vice versa. Pinaagi ini ma lessen na ang bulk sa mga sakyanan nga mosulod sa metro area. Pareha sa sitwasyon sa Metro Manila, nga kon gikan ka sa south luzon, moagi gyud ka sa sentro para makalahos sa north, mao samot kadaghan ang sakyanan sa sentro.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

May 6th, 2011, 12:01 PM

^^
uyon pud ko pero kinahanglan nga tanawon pag-ayo asa dapit paagion ang trans-axial expressway. dapat dili mulabang sa mga dapit nga ecologically protected.

Zuburbia

May 6th, 2011, 12:30 PM

^^
i hope the trans-axial highway would go with gov. sanchez in his grave, this would only destroy the watershed and protected forest areas at the mountainous part and central Cebu, and encourage more subdivision development/housing at the top of the mountains, easy access napod ang bukid sa mga squatters.. basin mahimo na ang large part sa atong bukid pareho sa favelas of rio de jeneiro! subo nga palandongon! :ohno:

di lang unta ni magpadayon! klaro na kayong intention sa mga politiko ani, andam nani silag salo og gasa gikan sa mga developer og subdivision!!! senyor santo nino ayaw intawn ni itugot kay samot na nya kaguba ang isla sa sugbo!!!

ivanc

May 6th, 2011, 12:57 PM

naluag baya ang traffic sa mambaling nga gi open na ang flyover.... but i'll pass judgement until june when classes start...

i think hapit na sad sugdan ang flyover sa asilo, one time I saw nga naay nag soil testing sa dalan, similar to what I saw before the mambaling flyover was started

Panzer_18

May 6th, 2011, 01:33 PM

^^flyover na xd sa may asilo?... maypa gihimu nalang sila ug skyway gikan sa eskina cabangcalan (talamban) hangtud may asilo... para mausa nalang biyahe, peru aku lng ng puntoha hup.

bintaro

May 6th, 2011, 01:35 PM

Sleepwalker

May 6th, 2011, 01:40 PM

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

May 6th, 2011, 04:26 PM

Pero nindot biya ang Plano sa American contractor unta sa transaxial highway Kay ila man mas panindoton ug agi atimanun ang mga watersheds sa Cebu. Nakabasa man gyud ko adto, unya mag install pod sila ug mga wind farms to generate more energy supply sa Cebu city and province, unya if wala ko kalimut mag butang pod sila ug irrigations para sa mga umahan nga maagi-an sa transaxial highway basta nindot gyud. Bitaw kinahanglan na man gyud ta ug bag-o nga karsada sa Cebu kanang strategic kaayo ang pagkabutang. Imagine from northern tip to southern tip 3hours nalang ang travel time Kay walay traffic unya dretso dretso ang byahe, it can save you a lot of money and time gyud.

^^ :okay:

it all depends on how you manage and implement measures. nindot lagi nang naa naay bagong dalan ang cebu, kanang matawag gyud nato nga expressway or highway para sa paspas nga transportasyon pero kung walay mga balaod, inabagan sa striktong pagpatuman niini sa pagprotejer sa atong kinaiyahan kay laen na pud nang istoryaha. kinahanglan idili gyud ang pagpahigayon og bisa'g unsang matang sa kalambuan sulod sa trans-axial expressway para malikayan ang susamang mga problemang nahi-aguman na karon sa kapatagan sa sugbo tungod sa rapud urbanization. magsilbe unta ni nga maayong proyekto dili lang para sa ekonomiya sa sugbo pero para pud sa pagpalambo og pagamuma sa atong kinahiyahan.

hinaot pa unta. :)

bintaro

May 6th, 2011, 05:05 PM

@main,,,,import ante gyud ang istrikto nga mga balaod ang ipatuman bro para madisiplina ta isip mga lumulopyo sa Cebu, dap at naa gyud proper zoning Kung Asa Lang dapit pwede tukuran ug mga establisimento, Kay Kung walay balaod useless gyud atong mga infra, dap at Kung super highway wala gyud makabalda nga mga structures para Dili madaot atone mga kalikopan except sa karsada.

Saktoaim ong punto bro nga operation of the infra and management of the environment. It has to go hand on hand.

isla

May 6th, 2011, 07:31 PM

Pero nindot biya ang Plano sa American contractor unta sa transaxial highway Kay ila man mas panindoton ug agi atimanun ang mga watersheds sa Cebu. Nakabasa man gyud ko adto, unya mag install pod sila ug mga wind farms to generate more energy supply sa Cebu city and province, unya if wala ko kalimut mag butang pod sila ug irrigations para sa mga umahan nga maagi-an sa transaxial highway basta nindot gyud. Bitaw kinahanglan na man gyud ta ug bag-o nga karsada sa Cebu kanang strategic kaayo ang pagkabutang. Imagine from northern tip to southern tip 3hours nalang ang travel time Kay walay traffic unya dretso dretso ang byahe, it can save you a lot of money and time gyud.

I agree.
This is a good project whichever you look at it. The purpose of the transaxial highway is to distribute development province wide. For now, most of the development is focused only in Metro Cebu so this has caused people in the province to flock to the city turning the city into slums / squatters resulting to overpopulation, pollution, scarce clean water, traffic, garbage problem, flooding and rising criminality. Land area in the metro is becoming scarce while people density is increasing. An integrated province wide development anchored on the construction of a transaxial hiway will bring more investments to the countryside, improve movement of people and goods, distribute wealth to all Cebuanos and prevent urban decay in the cities. Of course, careful planning should be done to protect our watersheds and to make this project environmental friendly. And based on the initial proposals in this project like possible dev't of windfarms, I think we can be assured that the proponents are nature/environment lovers like most of us. :cheers:

Wolfranz

May 6th, 2011, 09:41 PM

^^flyover na xd sa may asilo?... maypa gihimu nalang sila ug skyway gikan sa eskina cabangcalan (talamban) hangtud may asilo... para mausa nalang biyahe, peru aku lng ng puntoha hup.

whaaat? fly-over napud? :ohno::ohno: Maita underpass nalang..

wil1985

May 6th, 2011, 09:59 PM

kasamok nga daghan ug flyover wui..maka wagtang sa beauty sa street level at the same time maka obstruct kung mo tanaw ka pataas..not to mention na mo-yagit na tan.awon kay tungod sa smoke.ugh..wa jud flyover diri sa auckland...hai.. :( :((

is there another way to solve traffic problems without constructing a flyover?ugh..IMO kato unta sa mambaling gi guba nlang to ang dako na island na gihimong volleyballan sa mga tawo...instead nag himo sila ug flyover na feel jud nako maka bati sa BRT or worse..gub.on nlang para sa BRT which is a big waste of money hai..hai hai nako sa akong labada.. :(

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

May 7th, 2011, 01:41 AM

^^
well i guess, those flyovers will become BRT lanes sooooon! hehe

kiretoce

May 7th, 2011, 03:17 AM

Post away folks! :colgate:

Link to Thread 5 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=370061&page=180) in the Archives. :okay:

zidlakan

May 7th, 2011, 05:22 AM

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226858_113351482083736_100002266552640_124929_3319355_n.jpg

joint ICAO - MCIAA site inspection of the MCIA - ILS project, May 4, 2011.
(with the contractor SELEX-PHILCOX)

MCIA Cat 2 - capable ILS will be online within 3 months.

rest of the images at http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.113351122083772.26024.100002266552640

Sleepwalker

May 7th, 2011, 04:16 PM

^^A good start for the thread... :banana:

AmbutLang

May 8th, 2011, 02:55 AM

It's about time to change the ILS...1972 pana... :nuts: :)
Hasta ang Radar. It was finance from the Japanese reparation to the Philippines.

MatudNilaBaby

May 8th, 2011, 03:53 AM

It's about time to change the ILS...1972 pana... :nuts: :)
Hasta ang Radar. It was finance from the Japanese reparation to the Philippines.

no wonder nga category 2 ra gyud ta kutob. kinahanglan pangusgan na sa atong mga kadagkuan sa mciaa kay mora man ug maayo ning laki atong ni administrators ug mga bag-ong board members nga duna gyud higher education nga makasabot sa pamaagi. i have high hopes that mciaa can meet global standards ahead of naia where so much politics abound.

zidlakan

May 8th, 2011, 07:21 AM

no wonder nga category 2 ra gyud ta kutob. kinahanglan pangusgan na sa atong mga kadagkuan sa mciaa kay mora man ug maayo ning laki atong ni administrators ug mga bag-ong board members nga duna gyud higher education nga makasabot sa pamaagi. i have high hopes that mciaa can meet global standards ahead of naia where so much politics abound.

just a clarification, bay. what is category 2 is the entire aviation sector of the
philippines, not MCIAA, or any other airport. we're under category 2 because
we (the philippines) haven't met the safety and security standards of FAA and
ICAO, and most of these are related to other issues in the aviation sector and
not the airports. in fact, even without the ILS equipment, a country can still
attain cat 1.

even if MCIA can meet global standards ahead of NAIA, which i doubt since that
requires resources and they have more, it will still not mean we can be rein-
stated back to cat 1. and even if we improve both NAIA and MCIA and DMIA
and all the other airports, it won't mean we can be reinstated to cat 1. we
have to address all the safety and security issues as a country, most of which
concerns CAAP, OTS, CAB and the other oversight agencies. that's why all
of us are cooperating and contributing. example: MCIA is slightly ahead of
NAIA in the aerodrome certification process, we have a workable safety mgt.
system manual - so we shared these with NAIA so that they can finish theirs.
subic also wanted to visit cebu last month to benchmark on the SMS manual
and all the preparation for aerodrome certification, but were postponed due
to administrative constraints. davao is also doing well with the process. we
need 2 airports with certified aerodromes as one of those numerous issues
and we're doing our work "collectively" so that we can be elevated ...

just explaining a bit that we are all in this together, and that we at MCIA are
not planning things just to be ahead of the rest. we working closely with
CAAP, and with NAIA and DMIA, to accelerate the country's aviation industry's
upgrading to cat 1.

zidlakan

May 8th, 2011, 07:30 AM

It's about time to change the ILS...1972 pana... :nuts: :)
Hasta ang Radar. It was finance from the Japanese reparation to the Philippines.

right. which just reveals your age, fred ... the only people who readily knows
that are those working here during that decade, he he he :lol:

usa ra sad oi - the ILS in rnwy 22, the one in rnwy 04 is newer (relatively), it
was placed there as a component of MIADP, circa 1990's. both are out of com-
mission now, so we're hurrying up the new equipment which hopefully will be
online by august.

isla

May 8th, 2011, 06:32 PM

While the Cebu Projects thread is so active with new projects every month, the Cebu Infrastructure thread is dormant & sluggish.
I do not see anything moving after almost a yr.
Seems like Pnoy has no projects for Cebu. :ohno:

kenken94

May 8th, 2011, 06:56 PM

He has, "some", albeit not really a priority though. :(

Sleepwalker

May 9th, 2011, 04:25 AM

^^As what @zidlakan expressed before, there is no big ticket projects for Cebu this year, not because this admin is snobbing Cebu. BRT project is still on it's feasibility study stage, thus, it can not be lined up now as one of the PPP projects. But it is already on the queue. It might be implemented in 2013.

Mactan-Cebu International Airport is already doing some study on having a new terminal and is currently doing some expansion on the current terminal.

However, I hope this admin can take some initiative on looking into these things:

1. Cebu Island Trans-axial Highway (check both economical and environmental impact)
2. Cebu City/Metro Cebu Circumferential Road (check both economical and environmental impact)
3. Possibility of Integrating MCIA to BRT system in Phase 1

Wishful thinking lang.

MatudNilaBaby

May 9th, 2011, 07:00 AM

Sleepwalker

May 9th, 2011, 08:13 AM

^^These kind of infras should be what our officials need to push and give more priority, not the inter-island bridges between Bohol or Negros. Let Cebu, Bohol and Negros Islands have decent infras first, before connecting them. Our maritime infra is still connecting these islands without problem.

MarkiiBoi

May 9th, 2011, 06:12 PM

-edit-

Zuburbia

May 11th, 2011, 11:13 AM

hugodiekonig

May 11th, 2011, 05:09 PM

Wind Shear

May 11th, 2011, 07:15 PM

My wish for Cebu is to have a train system gaya ng MRT and LRT sa Metro Manila. Cebu is fast growing and I also believe that heavier at heavier rin ang flow traffic diyan due to the fast developments. May na-plano na ba o na-propose man lang na metro rail system sa Cebu?

It's now scrapped. In fact, the Cebu Railway Project Office is already closed (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/cebu-railway-office-closed). So, no Cebu LRT for a while.

The alternative mass transport for Cebu City is the Bus Rapid Transit, which is under feasibility study.

I wish for the revival of Cebu Railways, from Santander to Daanbantayan. Heavy railway, if you ask me.

isla

May 11th, 2011, 07:52 PM

CBC to launch first PPP initiative in Cebu
By Ehda M. Dagooc (The Freeman) Updated May 12, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (0) View comments

CEBU, Philippines - The Cebu Business Club (CBC) in partnership with Research, Education and Institutional Development (REID), will be launching the first Public-Private-Partnership (PPP) initiative in Cebu called “Partnership for Better Infrastructure,” or PBI.

To be formally launched on May 13, 2011 the PBI will broaden participation in the allocation and implementation of infrastructure investments to support economic development and poverty reduction.

In a formal CBC statement on this announcement, the business group said that while Cebu is a leading investment center in the country, however it still facing major challenges especially in infrastructure development.

REID is a policy research advocacy group based in Pasig City. It selected Cebu as one of the six provinces where it will implement the PBI.

The REID Foundation, through a Memorandum of Agreement, will work in partnership with the CBC to advocate for better infrastructure in Cebu.

REID Foundation will provide technical assistance through a series of workshops on the national and regional economy, national budget, and procurement, among others. These activities are supported by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) through The Asia Foundation (TAF).

Convinced of Cebu’s need for more and better infrastructure, several business chambers and civil society organizations partnered with CBC to support the PBI.

During the launch on Friday, they will sign a Memorandum of Cooperation (MOC) to support the PBI. To pursue the aim of the PBI, the Parties of the Coalition will agree under the MOC to jointly undertake the several activities, such as identify, prioritize and make a ready list of economically, socially and environmentally sound infrastructure projects which are critical for the development of Cebu, including the gaps in infrastructure development that need to be filled up.

Also, the project aims to participate and engage the government to ensure that recommended list of priority infrastructure projects for Cebu are considered and included in the National Government Budget, particularly the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH), and the Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC), and implemented with greater transparency, accountability and responsibility.

PBI will also develop strategies to assist the DPWH, Department of Tourism, DOTC and other government agencies involved in infrastructure development in asset preservation and in the preparation, budgeting, procurement, and monitoring the implementation of approved and funded infrastructure projects for Cebu.

Significantly, the PBI will also strongly advocate with the government to consult, utilize, consider and respect the expertise of other groups and individuals in the planning, development and implementation of infrastructure projects.

Before the MOC signing, Prof. Enrico L. Basilio, REID Foundation President will give a briefing on the BPI. Governor Gwen Garcia, Chairperson of the Metro Cebu Development Board and Mayor Mike Rama, Regional Development Council Chair, will follow to outline their strategies for infrastructure development in their respective areas and support for the PBI.

CBC President Dondi Joseph and businessman Andoni Aboitiz will chair the CBC Infra Committee, and the PBI Launching.—

hugodiekonig

May 12th, 2011, 03:20 AM

It's now scrapped. In fact, the Cebu Railway Project Office is already closed (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/cebu-railway-office-closed). So, no Cebu LRT for a while.

The alternative mass transport for Cebu City is the Bus Rapid Transit, which is under feasibility study.

I wish for the revival of Cebu Railways, from Santander to Daanbantayan. Heavy railway, if you ask me.

naku sayang naman. sana buhayin nila uli. Yung Bus Rapid transit ata parang sa traffic system sa Seoul, South Korea iyon, yung may lane para sa mga bus tapos may high-tech system rin na itetext nila sa cp no mo kung may paparating/malapit na bus mula sa location mo, at may highway rin para sa mga buses lang

zidlakan

May 12th, 2011, 12:42 PM

naku sayang naman. sana buhayin nila uli. Yung Bus Rapid transit ata parang sa traffic system sa Seoul, South Korea iyon, yung may lane para sa mga bus tapos may high-tech system rin na itetext nila sa cp no mo kung may paparating/malapit na bus mula sa location mo, at may highway rin para sa mga buses lang

Wikipedia - Bus rapid transit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_rapid_transit) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_rapid_transit

Wikipedia - List of bus rapid transit systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bus_rapid_transit_systems) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bus_rapid_transit_systems

AmbutLang

May 15th, 2011, 04:46 AM

right. which just reveals your age, fred ... the only people who readily knows
that are those working here during that decade, he he he :lol:

usa ra sad oi - the ILS in rnwy 22, the one in rnwy 04 is newer (relatively), it
was placed there as a component of MIADP, circa 1990's. both are out of com-
mission now, so we're hurrying up the new equipment which hopefully will be
online by august.

:nuts: :lol: mga karan tao na.

I remember back then that the management want us to scrub off the rubber skid marks on the touchdown area of the runway. Since they wanted us, the engineering division to check if the chemical works that was purchased it it worked. About 12 midnight we woked since there will be no planes were coming and the runway lights and taxiway were shutoff so did the AVASI and ILS just to be sure no plane would land. We complained that we will not work the next day or the next time. We were Airways Technicians and electrical division no maintenance cleaners. That was it. The chemical did not work well. :ohno: :bash:

archerfish

May 17th, 2011, 08:06 PM

when can we have something like this in cebu! where our airport is connected by an efficient and hassle free public transport system all the way to cebu business districts.. we need leaders who are visonaries not those who stick too much on numbers! :ohno:

Train line to connect Naia 3, Fort, Makati

By Paolo Montecillo
Philippine Daily Inquirer

MANILA, Philippines—A new commuter train line may soon connect the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (Naia) terminal 3 to the Fort Bonifacio and Makati central business districts, according to the Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA).

BCDA Chairman Felicito Payumo said the government firm was recently approached by a foreign group that was studying the construction of a new monorail system.

Speaking before members of the American Chamber of Commerce (Amcham), Payumo said the project would be implemented through the public-private partnership concept being espoused by the Aquino administration.

If it pushes through, the new train line would be called the Makati-Taguig-Pasay Monorail Alignment, which is meant to address the growing demand for efficient mass transport systems over the next five years.

Payumo said the projected monorail system would link up with the Metro Rail Transit (Taft to North Avenue), the Light Rail Transit line 1 (Baclaran to Roosevelt) and the Philippine National Railways (PNR) system, which cuts across Metro Manila toward the Southern Luzon regions.

“The interconnection is envisioned to form a loop around the projected service areas covered by the three rail transit systems,” a BCDA statement issued Monday quoted Payumo as saying.

The BCDA said it would like to spearhead the project’s implementation since most of the areas it would cover—the Villamor Air Base in front of Naia 3 and the Fort Bonifacio area—were BCDA developments.

Payumo said designers for the proposed project favored an elevated monorail because of the narrow streets of Makati and Taguig City.

But the BCDA said the project was still being studied and more details would be announced once a more definite deal with the project’s proponents has been signed. The BCDA likewise declined to name the foreign company that proposed to build the new train line.

MatudNilaBaby

May 17th, 2011, 08:31 PM

when can we have something like this in cebu! where our airport is connected by an efficient and hassle free public transport system all the way to cebu business districts.. we need leaders who are visonaries not those who stick too much on numbers! :ohno:

when ang kadagkuan sa atong mga lgu and business leaders magkahiusa , united and supportive of our infrastructure projects, im sure it can get funding from the national or other government agencies or maybe through ppp. if our government leaders magsige lang ug daot sa usag usa, then no government agency will look at our future projects. a good example was the cebu-bohol bridge which pnoy or even a common tao thought was outrageously ambitious. gipangutana unta tu si pnoy about a bridge connecting cebu and cordova? connecting mciaa and cebu's business parks? then and right there makahatag gyud unta to siya ug firm nga answer. but because he knew that our leaders are not united on what's best for cebu kay ila rang political ambition ilang gitan-aw, mao walay commitment siya para sa atong sugbu.

zidlakan

May 18th, 2011, 12:37 AM

when can we have something like this in cebu! where our airport is connected by an efficient and hassle free public transport system all the way to cebu business districts.. we need leaders who are visonaries not those who stick too much on numbers! :ohno:

when it's feasible ...

as we have already agreed upon before, the bottom line, FOR ANY PROJECT, is

when it's feasible - YES
when it's not feasible, NO

and yes, we're doing what we can to attract the investment for the BRT line
from the airport to the city business districts. we have a week-long technical
discussions with the KOICA master planning team starting may 26, 2011, and
one of the points of discussion is precisely that proposed airport BRT line.
already, two private business conglomerate have expressed interest for PPP
in this project.

Sleepwalker

May 18th, 2011, 04:16 AM

vishaya

May 18th, 2011, 05:37 PM

when can we have something like this in cebu! where our airport is connected by an efficient and hassle free public transport system all the way to cebu business districts.. we need leaders who are visonaries not those who stick too much on numbers! :ohno:

needless to say, we need leaders who keep their feet on the ground. :) i could hear jerry screaming 'show me the money!'

ferny123

May 19th, 2011, 04:24 PM

Parchie

May 19th, 2011, 05:41 PM

needless to say, we need leaders who keep their feet on the ground. :) i could hear jerry screaming 'show me the money!'

Pardon my picking this post of yours, sir! I would just like to ask for clarification with what you mean when you said "needless to say, we need leaders who keep their feet on the ground"?

Does "keeping their feet on the ground" mean:

Understanding the needs of the people and responding to it positively?
Or does it mean understanding the business side of the problem and weighing things like most businessmen do?

AFAIK, people in our government now have changed a lot from the long held standards of the past! Old terms had been re-defined; public service has lost its publicness; government is now run like businesses, and somehow, I see government became businesses in itself for some people!

This idea dawned to me when I always hear answers from politicians telling people that things cannot be done because what people are asking are not economically viable. It's like business to them now - meaning, they only serve you if the service pays for itself (?). When people faithfully pay taxes and do not get services in return, it's really unfair! Isn't it not that public service is supposed to be responsive and serve the people? People expected to have public service to be people-oriented and not businesslike.

Sorry for the ranting!

vishaya

May 19th, 2011, 07:01 PM

Pardon my picking this post of yours, sir! I would just like to ask for clarification with what you mean when you said "needless to say, we need leaders who keep their feet on the ground"?

Does "keeping their feet on the ground" mean:

Understanding the needs of the people and responding to it positively?
Or does it mean understanding the business side of the problem and weighing things like most businessmen do?

AFAIK, people in our government now have changed a lot from the long held standards of the past! Old terms had been re-defined; public service has lost its publicness; government is now run like businesses, and somehow, I see government became businesses in itself for some people!

This idea dawned to me when I always hear answers from politicians telling people that things cannot be done because what people are asking are not economically viable. It's like business to them now - meaning, they only serve you if the service pays for itself (?). When people faithfully pay taxes and do not get services in return, it's really unfair! Isn't it not that public service is supposed to be responsive and serve the people? People expected to have public service to be people-oriented and not businesslike.

Sorry for the ranting!

simply mean as it is - being in touch with the realities at hand, not being unrealistic, illogical or dwells too much on imaginations. that is, both points you mentioned.

addressing the needs - BRT is fine... if I we have the money, i want a very modern monorail, but again we have to differentiate between 'needs' and 'wants'.

business side of things - we have the funding for BRT, why not? do we have to wait for decades to have a train or a monorail? BRT costs less to build and operate too, with no government subsidies.

who knows in a few years we might be rich enough to have two systems together, like Kansai maybe (KIX airport bus not a BRT though, but very efficient). I can get to choose a bus or a train anytime.

as a parallel, I wanted to buy a Cadillac SRX last month as a second family vehicle, it's nice, luxurious and powerful, but then I have to consider maintenance/servicing costs and limited cargo capabilities. The model I considered can carry 7 passengers, but theres only 4 of us in the family. I decided to settle for a chevy avalanche instead, lower costs, can do the job of transporting both cargo and my family (seats 6 + tons of cargo space), lower replacement cost, can take me anywhere where an SRX can't. just being logical and realistic.

Henz

May 20th, 2011, 07:45 PM

archerfish

May 30th, 2011, 07:03 AM

when it's feasible ...

as we have already agreed upon before, the bottom line, FOR ANY PROJECT, is

when it's feasible - YES
when it's not feasible, NO

and yes, we're doing what we can to attract the investment for the BRT line
from the airport to the city business districts. we have a week-long technical
discussions with the KOICA master planning team starting may 26, 2011, and
one of the points of discussion is precisely that proposed airport BRT line.
already, two private business conglomerate have expressed interest for PPP
in this project.

ha ha! i do remember that zid..but how can there be a FS about trains and railways if there is no encouragement on the need to have one? all that comes out from your office is about buses here buses there! did you even try to entertain an idea about connecting the MCIA with a train even without a feasibility study yet? (pls. correct me if you did already..)

zidlakan

May 30th, 2011, 03:36 PM

ha ha! i do remember that zid..but how can there be a FS about trains and railways if there is no encouragement on the need to have one? all that comes out from your office is about buses here buses there! did you even try to entertain an idea about connecting the MCIA with a train even without a feasibility study yet? (pls. correct me if you did already..)

good that you remember that. but you seem to forget that i was involved in
the first FS of the mass transport in metro cebu in 1992 as a member of the
steering committee, which looked at the LRT proposal first, and monitored the
conduct of the next two LRT studies in 1995 and 1999. that is where i had
first hand information on lack of feasibility of the rail solution for cebu. as i
also posted before, the 4 studies did not include the link to MCIA precisely
because it was not feasible. and yes, i'm correcting you because i did already
or you must have missed it or forgotten it. now, let me ask the question - as
i also already did before - cite me a study, any study, that you have first
hand information, that shows that the LRT is even remotely feasible. what
FS are you talking about - there were already 4, recorded in the archives of
NEDA and DOTC and JBIC, all of which did not make the grade. now your turn.
show me one study ... just 1 ...

bigeagle198

May 31st, 2011, 11:15 AM

Hello to you,

I have a question. My mother in law, is living in Cogon Pardo, Gabuya Street. The street starts opposite of Pardo Church, where I married my Lani in 2006. Its long and its straight. Nearly 50 meters before a big kurve you have to go inside, to find the house of my mother in law. One time I pleased my wife to look behind this kurve. In former years you could take a bath in the narrow sea, but now it looks more like a squatter area.

Yesterday my wife told me, that her auntie, whose house is situated directly at the Gabuya street has to sell a part of her lot. The reason is, they are planning to enlarge the Gabuya Street for more traffic and to build a connection to the SRP.

(1) Can you tell me more about this project?
(2) Can anybody pose a plan of this project?
(3) When they will start to enlarge the Gabuya Street?

Thank you so much in advance for your hopefully successful efforts.

Alfred from Germany

archerfish

June 1st, 2011, 08:34 AM

good that you remember that. but you seem to forget that i was involved in
the first FS of the mass transport in metro cebu in 1992 as a member of the
steering committee, which looked at the LRT proposal first, and monitored the
conduct of the next two LRT studies in 1995 and 1999. that is where i had
first hand information on lack of feasibility of the rail solution for cebu. as i
also posted before, the 4 studies did not include the link to MCIA precisely
because it was not feasible. and yes, i'm correcting you because i did already
or you must have missed it or forgotten it. now, let me ask the question - as
i also already did before - cite me a study, any study, that you have first
hand information, that shows that the LRT is even remotely feasible. what
FS are you talking about - there were already 4, recorded in the archives of
NEDA and DOTC and JBIC, all of which did not make the grade. now your turn.
show me one study ... just 1 ...

it was in 1992 pa? wow where was i that time? grade 3? or 2? and what year are we now? almost 20 yrs ago already! until now we still dont have a strategic urban mass transportation system built in metro cebu..and our traffic situation is getting worse. did the people in the government failed the cebuanos? because those in charge lack foresight and did not actually implement anything that could have improved the mass transportation system in metro cebu. 20 years and we are still at the mercy of the jeepney drivers on major thoroughfares! maybe more feasibliity studies were needed. :lol: somebody out there must be making tons of money on these feasiblity studies!

how can i show you a FS when i dont work for the government much lless involved in any infrastructure studies in cebu! :lol: so i dont have anything to show you sir zid. besides, i did not even mention that i know of an existing FS regarding LRT in my previous post.

on another note..still you have not answered my question..(pls. read again my previous post).

oh by the way trains does not only mean LRT. it can be a monorail, metro, light rail, heavy rail, tram, etc..etc..

zidlakan

June 1st, 2011, 12:56 PM

... until now we still dont have a strategic urban mass transportation system built in metro cebu..and our traffic situation is getting worse.

oh yes we will. the cebu BRT is already well on its way for implementation
(see BRT thread for news). but the problem is, you don't believe its an urban
mass transport system, or you would have stop complaining already. unfor-
tunately, the whole world and the transportation experts of the world do
consider it as such, so we can't do anything if you live in your own world with
your own definition of what and urban mass transport system is. di jud ta
mahuman, naa na gani gibuhat, di man sad ka mo support kay para nimo
dili mass transport system, so di jud ta magdaug ... :lol:

on another note..still you have not answered my question..(pls. read again my previous post).

i think i have, bet maybe i'll rephrase:

how can there be a FS about trains and railways if there is no encouragement on the need to have one?

what do you mean no encouragement? FOUR studies and you ask about
encouragement? there was plenty of encouragement - the funding for the
first one, and the authority for the second, the funding for the third, and
another permit to study for the fourth. what other encouragement do you
need for studies? there were 4 FS'es for rail!!!!

did you even try to entertain an idea about connecting the MCIA with a train even without a feasibility study yet?

you were grade 3 in 1992? so in 1995, you were in grade 6, in 1999 you
were 4th year high school. were you reading the newspapers then? of
course i entertained the idea - i even supported it!! i was one of the main
proponents of the rail solution (you don't know because maybe you were
not reading newspapers in elementary and high school), even if i see that
the numbers do not indicate its feasible. its only in 2000 when i saw the
numbers for the BRT that i believed a mass transport system can be finan-
cially and economically feasible.

did i try to entertain an idea about connecting the MCIA with a train even
without a feasibility study? of course i did! and not without a feasibility
study - i was involved with 3 of the 4. and the studies show its not feasi-
ble crossing the channel - that's why its always omitted!

bay, i'm not favoring the BRT concept without lack of in-depth understan-
ding - i know the feasibilities for both systems intimately, and i made a
sound judgment.

i dont have anything to show you sir zid

then why are you pushing for one system you haven't seen a study of and
disregarding another you haven't even seen the study of?

gud2ya

June 2nd, 2011, 05:19 AM

^^
nindot man gud tan awon og paminawon ang light rail, metro :lol:

Sleepwalker

June 2nd, 2011, 05:34 AM

So, we'll call it Metro Bus Rapid Transit...Problem is solved... :D

gud2ya

June 2nd, 2011, 05:38 AM

So, we'll call it Metro Bus Rapid Transit...Problem is solved... :D

mas sossy man gud na naa magtuyok tuyok na train sa atong dakbayan :lol:

bahala dako gasto, lisod logistics, og eventually mahal plete basta sossy! :lol:

Parchie

June 2nd, 2011, 10:14 AM

mas sossy man gud na naa magtuyok tuyok na train sa atong dakbayan :lol:

bahala dako gasto, lisod logistics, og eventually mahal plete basta sossy! :lol:

Basta mas dako imong bayad i-kumpara sa akong bayranan, oks ra kaau na bay! Minimum lang amo, unya mas dako2x lang sa mga may kaya, pwede kaau!

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

June 2nd, 2011, 10:18 AM

^^
nindot man gud tan awon og paminawon ang light rail, metro :lol:

ouch! :lol:

acpalomar

June 2nd, 2011, 10:56 AM

^^
nindot man gud tan awon og paminawon ang light rail, metro :lol:

I am not that old. But I have seen how beautiful, and classy and grand ("sossy," if you like), Avenida, Taft Avenue, and Recto before, and when I go to these places today, my heart pains so much. It might not have affected so much EDSA - its 10-lanes anyway, but for narrow streets such as that in Cebu, they will suffer the same fate as that of Taft Avenue of the olden days.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

June 2nd, 2011, 11:03 AM

^^
:okay:

go Cebu BRT! with narrow streets in Cebu tapos lalagyan pa ng parang bubong sa itaas, its suffocating! :nuts:

Parchie

June 2nd, 2011, 12:51 PM

^^
:okay:

go Cebu BRT! with narrow streets in Cebu tapos lalagyan pa ng parang bubong sa itaas, its suffocating! :nuts:

We need to see the rendering first before making generalizations here! Politicians can make the situations difficult but there are no problems that have no solutions; that's why we have engineers and technicians!

slerz

June 2nd, 2011, 04:29 PM

Plaridel St. Widening... The road after Cansaga Bay Bridge Consolacion side...:okay:

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gud2ya

June 6th, 2011, 05:46 PM

repost

naa diay article bai...

MetroPac firms up plans for Cebu expressway, Clark airport (http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Corporate&title=MetroPac-firms-up-plans-for-Cebu-expressway,-Clark-airport&id=32606)
Posted on June 06, 2011 08:59:05 PM
BY NEIL JEROME C. MORALES, Reporter

METRO PACIFIC Investments Corp. (MPIC) is firming up plans to build a toll road in Cebu and operate an airport in Clark with the projects’ feasibility studies expected to be completed by the second half of the year, officials said.
“Hopefully before the year ends, we can come up with the [results of a Cebu toll road] study,” Ramoncito S. Fernandez, president of MPIC unit Metro Pacific Tollways Corp., told BusinessWorld in a chance interview.

“We are looking at the possibility of building additional toll roads [particularly to] solve congestion in Cebu,” Mr. Fernandez added.
If the plan pushes through, this will be the company’s first project outside Luzon.

Earlier, the local government of Cebu had aired its interest to enter into a build-operate-transfer scheme for a P5-billion “trans-axial highway” that would run from the northernmost town of Daanbantayan to Santander in the south.

The project, which has yet to be implemented, will cross all 47 towns and six cities. Work still remains in the “study phase,” Mr. Fernandez said, citing traffic volumes as among the factors up for review.

He added that the company allotted a few millions for the analysis.

The conglomerate’s subsidiary in the meantime operates the North Luzon Expressway (NLEx) and is also renegotiating its concession agreement with the government for the Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway (SCTEx).

Metro Pacific Tollways has also reported plans to spend P25 billion for three big-ticket projects in the next four years. Segment 9 -- the four-lane, 2.42-kilometer (km.) stretch -- is eyed to connect NLEx to MacArthur Highway in Valenzuela City while the two-lane, 5.65-km.

Segment 10 is planned to run through MacArthur Highway to Radial Road R-10. These come on top of the 13.2-km. connector road that will link NLEx at C-3 Road to Skyway 1 along South Luzon Expressway in Makati.

Meanwhile, David J. Nicol, chief finance officer of Metro Pacific, said the feasibility study for the operation and maintenance of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) in Clark, Pampanga will be completed in the second half.

“I suspect [it will be ready] within three to four months,” Mr. Nicol said.

Early this year, Metro Pacific hired Madrid-based Indra Group to conduct the feasibility study.

Mr. Nicol said privatizing the airport will result in higher operating efficiency, adding that Metro Pacific allotted $250,000 for the study.

Metro Pacific wants to rehabilitate the airport and build a high-speed railway as DMIA is 85 km. away from Ninoy Aquino International Airport, the country’s main gateway.

Mr. Nicol said the company will look for a partner with the technical capacity to operate the airport.

Under the Philippine Development Plan 2011-2016 of the National Economic and Development Authority, Subic and Clark are targeted to be logistics centers. The Civil Aeronautics Board has already approved the expansion of air services at the DMIA and the Subic Bay International Airport.

“Infrastructure projects have a good cash flow. Considering Metro Pacific already has the experience in infrastructure development and maintenance, it would be feasible for the company to invest in other opportunities,” Astro C. del Castillo, managing director of brokerage firm First Grade Holdings, Inc., said in a phone interview yesterday.

But Mr. del Castillo also warned of the regulatory risks that threaten new ventures.

In the first quarter, core profits of the listed holding firm surged by 44% to P1.13 billion from P788 million in the previous year as revenues climbed by 17% to P5.05 billion in the first three months.

Metro Pacific is the Philippine unit of Hong Kong’s First Pacific Co. Ltd., which partly owns the Philippine Long Distance Telephone Co. (PLDT).

Mediaquest Holdings, Inc., a unit of the Beneficial Trust Fund of PLDT, has a minority stake in BusinessWorld.

flesh_is_weak

June 6th, 2011, 06:49 PM

^^instead of building a toll road, how about investing on an efficient mass transport system for the province? in the modern world, cars are so yesterday...

Parchie

June 7th, 2011, 08:20 AM

^^instead of building a toll road, how about investing on an efficient mass transport system for the province? in the modern world, cars are so yesterday...

If money is not the problem, why not do both? Me, I don't even feel it's kinda comfy in a mass transport vehicle! Maybe just me but it feels good when I am not confined in a box!

Maybe a futuristic transport system where your car flies? (Okay, just woke up.)

zidlakan

June 7th, 2011, 09:01 AM

If money is not the problem ... Okay, just woke up ...

tried to delete so many words to give it another perspective, he he he :lol:

but i think, that basically it - money is the problem! :lol::lol::lol:

anyways, on a more serious note, i find it that most people rarely appreciate the
fact that this money problem has less to do with how much money the country
actually has, and more on how much money each individual citizen has. in other
words, its not the budget per se, that's plaguing development, but the level of
per capita income a country has. our difficulty is that we are always looking for
the kind of infrastructure or urban amenities that a country with US$20,000 per
capita income has, when we ourselves only have US$3,000.

and anyways, i agree ... if we have the money, we can afford to be extravagant ...

Parchie

June 8th, 2011, 03:47 AM

tried to delete so many words to give it another perspective, he he he :lol:

but i think, that basically it - money is the problem! :lol::lol::lol:

anyways, on a more serious note, i find it that most people rarely appreciate the fact that this money problem has less to do with how much money the country actually has, and more on how much money each individual citizen has. in other words, its not the budget per se, that's plaguing development, but the level of per capita income a country has. our difficulty is that we are always looking for the kind of infrastructure or urban amenities that a country with US$20,000 per capita income has, when we ourselves only have US$3,000.

and anyways, i agree ... if we have the money, we can afford to be extravagant ...

Good to know you read behind those lines! That was the intention. IMHO, there are always questions before you do things: do we have the means to do it? If we do, does it make sense (pesos sense!)? If not, why do it? Simple questions that doesn't need a lot of thoughts. Sort of giving the details to the guys around, we only need the results!

bakasaurus

June 8th, 2011, 04:53 AM

flesh_is_weak

June 8th, 2011, 06:29 AM

Good to know you read behind those lines! That was the intention. IMHO, there are always questions before you do things: do we have the means to do it? If we do, does it make sense (pesos sense!)? If not, why do it? Simple questions that doesn't need a lot of thoughts. Sort of giving the details to the guys around, we only need the results!

government subsidies...private investment...

and i'm not talking about building on a grand scale, i'm just against the idea of building a highway and would prefer mass transit instead...so-called world class cities and regions around the world are pushing for the same thing, better mass transit

build more highways, and people would just keep on buying cars, adding to congestion...how about coming up with a government owned (or public-private partnership) province-wide bus system that would connect all the cities and towns in Cebu island and travel on its own dedicated bus way? much like a province-wide BRT

if you prefer to drive in your own private vehicle, the current road system in Cebu would do for you, but when it comes to moving large amounts of people efficiently from point A to B, mass transit would be IMO, the better solution

besides, Cebu isn't that big of an island anyway

Sleepwalker

June 8th, 2011, 06:36 AM

^^If we have province-wide BRT, we still have to expand our existing roads. Yes, province-wide BRT could be another option to having expressways, with each town center as stations.

But how about cargoes? Farm products? Fish products?

bigeagle198

June 8th, 2011, 09:15 AM

Good morning to everybody,

of course you can only spend those money, which you have earned. But much more important is the knowledge and the will, to develop a country. I was 6 times in the Philippines and sometimes I felt deep doubt about this. In this forum we are talking about Cebu and its traffic infrastructure. Cebu is the 3rd biggest Cit in the Philippines after Manila and Davao, but surely number 2 in economic development. If your government and the upper class really wants better Philippines, why they are not starting earlier? You 10 Millione and more OFW’s. They are all outside the country. They help to put the pressure outside the big pot Philippines. Beside they are sending money hope to strengthen this Phenomenon. By my view the best for the country, which is my country also in my mind, would be to stop sending remittance at once. The pressure would rise, that is the best condition for a time of change. I am not sure if the majority of the people, who are living inside the Philippines are ripe for this cognition. The upper class, nearly 1% of the population has no reason to change something. They are possessing the capital equippement and the ground. The interests are coming and coming and coming. No need to move. But the middle class has to move. The middle class is the center of every community. Build streets, build bridges, build and renew electricity lines and water conduits. Build and fill industrial zones. Stregthen your education, start with urban development. All together can help that people can work inside the Philippines and no longer outside. If many people realizes this connections, this would be the start of a much better country. The money income per capita will rise by itself to start bigger and bigger projects.

Back to my thread few days ago and back from theorie to reality. Can anybody tell something about the plan with the Gabuya street in Pardo?:

Hello to you,

I have a question. My mother in law, is living in Cogon Pardo, Gabuya Street. The street starts opposite of Pardo Church, where I married my Lani in 2006. Its long and its straight. Nearly 50 meters before a big kurve you have to go inside, to find the house of my mother in law. One time I pleased my wife to look behind this kurve. In former years you could take a bath in the narrow sea, but now it looks more like a squatter area.

Yesterday my wife told me, that her auntie, whose house is situated directly at the Gabuya street has to sell a part of her lot. The reason is, they are planning to enlarge the Gabuya Street for more traffic and to build a connection to the SRP.

(1) Can you tell me more about this project?
(2) Can anybody pose a plan of this project?
(3) When they will start to enlarge the Gabuya Street?

Thank you so much in advance for your hopefully successful efforts.

Alfred from Germany

zidlakan

June 8th, 2011, 10:40 AM

Nah, we can always get them subsidized by the gov't...lol.

But Sir Zid. I understand that our projects need to be feasible, but sometimes it begs the chicken or the egg question. There are times when projects, infra needs to be built even when they aren't "feasible" (but I guess that word has so many other context right?) because they will help us get to the $20,000 per capita income level. How do we draw the line there?

Can you please explain in a nut shell how FEASIBILITY is arrived at? Are there cases similar to the one I mentioned above?

toinks! that's why sometimes feasibility studies for big projects costs millions
of pesos! cause it can't be done in a nutshell, he he he

anyways, two things. first, that's why there are two kinds of feasibilities -
financial and economic. economic is macro, or referring to the entire economy
while financial feasibility is micro which refers to the feasibility indicators of
the specific project itself. for decision making purposes, the economic feasi-
bility must be there, ... if its not feasible in the economic aspect, its won't
get implemented. but a project can be financially not feasible, meaning it
can't pay for itself, but it is economically feasible, so subsidies are infused to
bridge the gap - we call that the investment gap financing.

second, there is the concept of ability to pay. the closest that i can explain
in a nutshell is say, for example, a poor family who wants to open up a sari-
sari store. the father/owner looks at his well-to-do neighbor who has a
convenience store and sees he uses a computer to keep his financial records.
should he also buy a computer? or should a calculator suffice? on the other
hand, the convenience store owner sees his compadre who owns a mall who
uses a LAN system with Inventory Management systems, etc., etc. should
he also buy those, or should each of them wait until they reach a level of
profitability and balance sheet to need and afford what is proper?

in a nutshell, countries and governments are like families. when your poor,
your poor and when your rich, your rich. always remember that governments
rely on taxes to support development. but taxes, in general are a certain
percentage of your income, in this case, the gross domestic product (GDP).
but the GDP is the sum total of the per capita income of the population,
since per capita income is simply GDP/population. so see the difference bet-
ween the Philippines with US$3,000 per capital income and say, South Korea
(US$20,000), or Hong Kong (US$30,000), or US (US$45,000). and we com-
plain to government why we don't have roads or airports or subways like they
do? and if government will grant what you wish, what will government use
to build hospitals, care for the sick, and do a thousand other things.

let's build what we can for the time being, improve the economy, and move on
to higher things. if we use up the resources to buy expensive things now,
there won't be enough to build the economy, and we will continue to be the
country where we are now.

bigeagle198

June 8th, 2011, 12:08 PM

zidlakan

June 8th, 2011, 01:05 PM

Hello Sir Zidlakan,

what I understand is, that your are in involved in planning infrastructure in Cebu, especially the new BRT.

What are the plans of the government to those people, who will loose their jobs, after starting the BRT? Especially Jeepney drivers, the passenger pickers on the backside, the tricycle, trycicads, the Tartanillas? Will the government help or not?

Of course I support the idea of the BRT, even if my favorite was the railroad, but the planning must include not only the Bussystem by itself. No, it must be a global plan, which integrates every touched field of daily life.

By the way. I introduced myself more than an year ago. Maybe somebody remembers my thread of railroads in Cebu and Negros. If not, I can tell something about me again.

Alfred from germany

hi alfred. yes i remember you, and the beautiful pictures of trains you posted
here. i like trains myself but not as much as how my father likes them which
is actually incredulous - our old house is full of pictures of them. i grew up in
a sugar central in negros, one of the last to shift to trucks in the transport of
canes, so i lived with steam and diesel locomotives in my childhood.

i really have to apologize here and beg your indulgence as i can't answer your
question fully - i'm in a hurry, and really, i've answered that so many times
already so i hope you can back read the BRT thread - it should be in there
somewhere, or maybe in the old cebu LRT thread which was deleted by the
mods, in short - yes, we've thought about that, and that issue will be inclu-
ded as an integral part of project planning and implementation - pls backread
for details.

i'm not in charge of infrastructure planning of cebu. i was cebu city planning
officer until late last year, when i was transferred to the airport.

as to that road to the SRP, yes there was a plan, but i don't know the details
now and i don't have the blueprints because i'm no longer connected with
cebu city.

thanks.

Parchie

June 8th, 2011, 01:09 PM

toinks! that's why sometimes feasibility studies for big projects costs millions of pesos! cause it can't be done in a nutshell, he he he

anyways, two things. first, that's why there are two kinds of feasibilities -
financial and economic. economic is macro, or referring to the entire economy while financial feasibility is micro which refers to the feasibility indicators of the specific project itself. for decision making purposes, the economic feasibility must be there, ... if its not feasible in the economic aspect, its won't get implemented. but a project can be financially not feasible, meaning it can't pay for itself, but it is economically feasible, so subsidies are infused to bridge the gap - we call that the investment gap financing.

second, there is the concept of ability to pay. the closest that i can explain in a nutshell is say, for example, a poor family who wants to open up a sari-sari store. the father/owner looks at his well-to-do neighbor who has a convenience store and sees he uses a computer to keep his financial records. should he also buy a computer? or should a calculator suffice? on the other hand, the convenience store owner sees his compadre who owns a mall who uses a LAN system with Inventory Management systems, etc., etc. should he also buy those, or should each of them wait until they reach a level of profitability and balance sheet to need and afford what is proper?

in a nutshell, countries and governments are like families. when your poor,
your poor and when your rich, your rich. always remember that governments rely on taxes to support development. but taxes, in general are a certain percentage of your income, in this case, the gross domestic product (GDP). but the GDP is the sum total of the per capita income of the population, since per capita income is simply GDP/population. so see the difference between the Philippines with US$3,000 per capital income and say, South Korea (US$20,000), or Hong Kong (US$30,000), or US (US$45,000). and we complain to government why we don't have roads or airports or subways like they do? and if government will grant what you wish, what will government use to build hospitals, care for the sick, and do a thousand other things.

let's build what we can for the time being, improve the economy, and move on to higher things. if we use up the resources to buy expensive things now, there won't be enough to build the economy, and we will continue to be the country where we are now.

If I may add, there is another important aspect to keep in mind when in a setup where the principal is experiencing financial constraints. Projects may indicate to be feasible but must give way to other priority subjects which are of higher hierarchy. Feasibility studies help decide on the viability of a specific project proposal but it does not capture how other projects that are contemplated at the same time frame could constrain or choke the proponents or the project itself. In cases with government projects, sometimes hierarchy setting doesn't follow clearly-defined procedures and most are done depending on the existing politics in power.

zidlakan

June 8th, 2011, 01:25 PM

If I may add, there is another important aspect to keep in mind when in a setup where the principal is experiencing financial constraints. Projects may indicate to be feasible but must give way to other priority subjects which are of higher hierarchy. Feasibility studies help decide on the viability of a specific project proposal but it does not capture how other projects that are contemplated at the same time frame could constrain or choke the proponents or the project itself. In cases with government projects, sometimes hierarchy setting doesn't follow clearly-defined procedures and most are done depending on the existing politics in power.

whew, nice! that's the prioritization part of it. actually, the FS can still help in
the way we prioritize what to do first, second, third, and so on and so forth,
subject to the availability of money.

financial feasibility is generally express in FIRR, economic in EIRR (financial or
economic internal rate of return). what NEDA does is prioritize the projects
according to their EIRR - the higher the number the higher the priority. i'm
generalizing, of course - and really there is a clearly-defined procedure but
you're right, politics does come into play. at the very least, even politics
generally can not push a project with a failing EIRR ...

flesh_is_weak

June 9th, 2011, 07:09 AM

Parchie

June 12th, 2011, 07:10 PM

whew, nice! that's the prioritization part of it. actually, the FS can still help in
the way we prioritize what to do first, second, third, and so on and so forth,
subject to the availability of money.

financial feasibility is generally express in FIRR, economic in EIRR (financial or
economic internal rate of return). what NEDA does is prioritize the projects
according to their EIRR - the higher the number the higher the priority. i'm
generalizing, of course - and really there is a clearly-defined procedure but
you're right, politics does come into play. at the very least, even politics
generally can not push a project with a failing EIRR ...

Agree with the "generalizing" portion! There will always be surprises along the way. But we should be very wary about relying on IRR alone. Maybe it's just me but we must ask ourselves whether a certain high IRR is possible to maintain. We should refer to past experiences and existing business, to see whether an opportunity to reinvest cash flows at that high IRR is really possible.

cebuboi

June 14th, 2011, 06:08 PM

share ko lang sana if ever cebu will have lrt hope it will be aesthetically as pleasing as this.

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz189/dyollnarud/album%202/Image1223.jpg

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz189/dyollnarud/album%202/Image1225.jpg

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz189/dyollnarud/album%202/Image1222.jpg

archerfish

June 15th, 2011, 08:26 AM

Zidlakan: oh yes we will. the cebu BRT is already well on its way for implementation
(see BRT thread for news). but the problem is, you don't believe its an urban
mass transport system, or you would have stop complaining already. unfor-
tunately, the whole world and the transportation experts of the world do
consider it as such, so we can't do anything if you live in your own world with
your own definition of what and urban mass transport system is. di jud ta
mahuman, naa na gani gibuhat, di man sad ka mo support kay para nimo
dili mass transport system, so di jud ta magdaug ... :lol:

dont put words into my keyboards zid..i never said that BRT is not mass transport system. in fact i would ride one if there is one in our neighborhood..what i am advocating for is an efficient mass transport system for intercity travel! do you distinguish now what i mean by this? think about strategic urban mass transport system zid think!

what do you mean no encouragement? FOUR studies and you ask about
encouragement? there was plenty of encouragement - the funding for the
first one, and the authority for the second, the funding for the third, and
another permit to study for the fourth. what other encouragement do you
need for studies? there were 4 FS'es for rail!!!!

that was 20 years ago! the traffic situation in cebu was different then than today.. and what year are we now?

you were grade 3 in 1992? so in 1995, you were in grade 6, in 1999 you
were 4th year high school. were you reading the newspapers then? of
course i entertained the idea - i even supported it!! i was one of the main
proponents of the rail solution (you don't know because maybe you were
not reading newspapers in elementary and high school), even if i see that
the numbers do not indicate its feasible. its only in 2000 when i saw the
numbers for the BRT that i believed a mass transport system can be finan-
cially and economically feasible.

who cares about newspapers when you are in high school? :lol: :lol: bitaw sir busy ko didto tambay sa mango avenue during my younger years..uban nako uyab pirmi!:lol:

anything is possible if you have the will! and if you stick to your logic..then an oversized jeepney can be financially and economically feasible pud! :lol:

did i try to entertain an idea about connecting the MCIA with a train even
without a feasibility study? of course i did! and not without a feasibility
study - i was involved with 3 of the 4. and the studies show its not feasi-
ble crossing the channel - that's why its always omitted!

you just contradicted yourself zid. which is which? :lol:

so you mean to say that those old FS really considered connecting the airport to cebu mainland before? or were they?

bay, i'm not favoring the BRT concept without lack of in-depth understan-
ding - i know the feasibilities for both systems intimately, and i made a
sound judgment.

good for you sir zid! i favor BRT too on some routes, but not on major corridors for intercity travel!

then why are you pushing for one system you haven't seen a study of and
disregarding another you haven't even seen the study of?

because i have lived in places where buses are replaced by trains running on major transport corridors/ to and from the airports because of efficiency issues! WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THEM! not from ourselves!

in short i still prefer a mixed mass transport system for cebu just like this!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/5127854904_3f7b8ffba2_b.jpg

archerfish

June 15th, 2011, 08:38 AM

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz189/dyollnarud/album%202/Image1225.jpg

very nice! anything can look good as long as there is a will to do it!

jochval

June 15th, 2011, 08:51 AM

i hope nga ang cebu brt ma extend pa gikan carcar hangtud danao then dili lang mo stop sa airport diha sa lapu2x kundi lahos pa jud hangtud punta engaño..

we really need it badly na jud, as in ASAP kay karon na jud unta ni siya kinahanglan...what if kaha noh 5 years ago pa ni siya na implement, nindot na unta ron ang Cebu road situation, mas boom pa ato economy..

archerfish

June 15th, 2011, 08:59 AM

for me bai i would prefer to have one like these from north to south of cebu island..

jzgiqTxSxJ4

Sus kalami gyud moadto sa San Remegio pirmi ani!

jochval

June 15th, 2011, 09:08 AM

di lagi maklaro imo pictures bay..hehe

archerfish

June 15th, 2011, 09:13 AM

sulti an nako driver sa train bai nga hinay hinay lang para ma klaro ang pictures he he!:lol:

wakeuptoreality

June 15th, 2011, 09:50 AM

Cordova’s ‘mini-Boracay’ expanded (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/15090/cordova%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98mini-boracay%E2%80%99-expanded)

Work on the “mini-Boracay” reclamation project in Cordova town has begun, with the Capitol extending its coverage from 10 hectares to 20 hectares.

Cordova Mayor Adelino Sitoy confirmed to Cebu Daily News that phase I of the reclamation project began with the Provincial Planning and Development Office amending the existing Environmental Certificate Clearance (ECC) in the area.

Sitoy met with engineer Adolfo Quiroga of the PPDO and Cebu Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia after the Provincial Development Council (PDC) meeting yesterday afternoon. The project is aimed at providing livelihood for Cordova residents.

Sitoy said they are still processing the permits for the “mini-Boracay” project which covers six barangays as well as the papers for another reclamation project in their area, which covers 132 hectares.

The mayor said they are looking at commercial investments once phase I of the reclamation project is completed.

Sitoy said the project will be funded by the Capitol, which will allocate a share of the revenues with Cordova town.

During the PDC meeting, Garcia said they will conduct an inventory of all reclamation projects in the province.

The governor said the guidelines for the creation of the Cebu Provincial Reclamation Authority (CPRA) are being worked on. Provincial Board (PB) Member Peter John Calderon told the mayors they will send these guidelines after two months.

Under the amended ordinance creating the CPRA, the province is entitled to 10 percent of the usable reclaimed land in all reclamation projects.

MatudNilaBaby

June 15th, 2011, 11:00 AM

for me bai i would prefer to have one like these from north to south of cebu island..

jzgiqTxSxJ4

Sus kalami gyud moadto sa San Remegio pirmi ani!

eventually mahitabo gyud na sa cebu. siguro unahon ang transcentral highway unya idugang pud ang railway system kon gusto gyud ta nga mo lambo. pagkakaron cebu is very limited in its developments kay kuwang paman ta ug transportation infrastructures. mag nga2x lang ta kon maka kita ta sa mga high end development sa china. mora ug layo ra gyud kaayo atoa to think nga mas free ta kay sa kanila.

zidlakan

June 15th, 2011, 01:29 PM

that was 20 years ago! the traffic situation in cebu was different then than today.. and what year are we now?

first study was 20 years ago (actually 19). but there were four:

1992: Pre-Feasibility Study of the Metro Cebu Mass Transport Study
1995: Jefferies Study for an Unsolicited Proposal
1999: JICA Study for Cebu LRT
2005: Halcrow Study for Cebu LRT
2009: AMA Group updated the Halcrow Study to submit an Unsolicited Proposal

we're 2011 now, about two years after the AMA Group proposal. It was NOT
accepted by DOTC. And you want another study now? Do you think, after
two years, the feasibility indicators will already be acceptable to DOTC?

who cares about newspapers when you are in high school? :lol: :lol: bitaw sir busy ko didto tambay sa mango avenue during my younger years..uban nako uyab pirmi!:lol:

anything is possible if you have the will! and if you stick to your logic..then an oversized jeepney can be financially and economically feasible pud! :lol:

i only pointed out that at that time that i was advocating for the LRT, you
were not reading newspapers. otherwise, you would have known that i was
an advocate of the LRT. its not as if i am not familiar with the costs and
revenue streams of LRTs or its feasibility analysis.

you just contradicted yourself zid. which is which? :lol:

i did not, at least not from my perspective. i've always been consistent in
this issue.

so you mean to say that those old FS really considered connecting the airport to cebu mainland before? or were they?

oh yes! during the study, initially at the initial part. they immediately drop
off that part after initial analysis because, "surprise," it simply cost too much!

because i have lived in places where buses are replaced by trains running on major transport corridors/ to and from the airports because of efficiency issues! WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THEM! not from ourselves!

in short i still prefer a mixed mass transport system for cebu just like this!

because "YOU" have lived in places ...

government does not make decisions because a certain person "lived" in such
and such a place. we don't make billion-peso infrastructure based on the
"experience" of one person. countries don't do projects because "YOU"
"prefer" it. projects such as this are done by procedures set by NEDA which
has been established to ensure that investments are fully used for economic
benefits. if you really believe in what you're saying, SHOW "YOUR" PROOF!

we've been discussing this for quite some time, years actually. from the
very start, all i just wanted from you guys is just factual and authoritative
studies that what you're saying is supported by intelligent analysis based
on transport principles and economic calculations. but its all talk and some
drawings. and now you're complaining why we're not doing studies for the
cebu LRT? why don't you do it! we've done enough, and IT IS SIMPLY NOT
FEASIBLE. want us to do? spend millions and millions of pesos to do studies
for a project which is not feasible?

why don't you do it? i think we've done enough and the BRT is on time with
all the studies supported. and, not only for cebu city but for inter-city
connectivity. as i said before, you can continue to dream and post pictures
here. it will not change the fact that its going to be the BRT which will be
implemented and not the LRT.

unless you give a Feasibility Study that says otherwise ....

makatiprime

June 15th, 2011, 02:53 PM

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz189/dyollnarud/album%202/Image1225.jpg

very nice! anything can look good as long as there is a will to do it!

saan to??? the best fly over i've seen in the world

majaba98

June 15th, 2011, 08:57 PM

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz189/dyollnarud/album%202/Image1225.jpg

very nice! anything can look good as long as there is a will to do it!

So do you mind to tell us what this is please ?

Sleepwalker

June 16th, 2011, 04:30 AM

So do you mind to tell us what this is please ?

Elevated airstrip... :D

makatiprime

June 16th, 2011, 02:33 PM

i think in chennai or pune?

archerfish

June 17th, 2011, 07:16 AM

first study was 20 years ago (actually 19). but there were four:

1992: Pre-Feasibility Study of the Metro Cebu Mass Transport Study
1995: Jefferies Study for an Unsolicited Proposal
1999: JICA Study for Cebu LRT
2005: Halcrow Study for Cebu LRT
2009: AMA Group updated the Halcrow Study to submit an Unsolicited Proposal

we're 2011 now, about two years after the AMA Group proposal. It was NOT
accepted by DOTC. And you want another study now? Do you think, after
two years, the feasibility indicators will already be acceptable to DOTC?

i only pointed out that at that time that i was advocating for the LRT, you
were not reading newspapers. otherwise, you would have known that i was
an advocate of the LRT. its not as if i am not familiar with the costs and
revenue streams of LRTs or its feasibility analysis.

i did not, at least not from my perspective. i've always been consistent in
this issue.

oh yes! during the study, initially at the initial part. they immediately drop
off that part after initial analysis because, "surprise," it simply cost too much!

why don't you do it? i think we've done enough and the BRT is on time with
all the studies supported. and, not only for cebu city but for inter-city
connectivity. as i said before, you can continue to dream and post pictures
here. it will not change the fact that its going to be the BRT which will be
implemented and not the LRT.

unless you give a Feasibility Study that says otherwise ....

thanks for your comprehensive reply sir zid.. as I have said BRT is good within certain routes in Cebu and I support that plan too. however, your planned INTERCITY BRT might not be as efficient as you have promised to cebuanos. Why? because you still have no concrete answer how these buses will go around several intersections without sacrificing travel time! (and i hate to say this again and again :lol:)

government does not make decisions because a certain person "lived" in such
and such a place. we don't make billion-peso infrastructure based on the
"experience" of one person. countries don't do projects because "YOU"
"prefer" it. projects such as this are done by procedures set by NEDA which
has been established to ensure that investments are fully used for economic
benefits. if you really believe in what you're saying, SHOW "YOUR" PROOF!

i did not say that the government will base their decision based on my opinion! lol! i am just merely stating the fact that i have personal experience riding these systems! and because you were asking me for proof.

as a tax paying resident, maybe i have the right to voice my opinion about what should be BEST for my community and how our taxes should be well spent. not the PWEDE NA solutions.

we've been discussing this for quite some time, years actually. from the
very start, all i just wanted from you guys is just factual and authoritative
studies that what you're saying is supported by intelligent analysis based
on transport principles and economic calculations. but its all talk and some
drawings. and now you're complaining why we're not doing studies for the
cebu LRT? why don't you do it! we've done enough, and IT IS SIMPLY NOT
FEASIBLE. want us to do? spend millions and millions of pesos to do studies
for a project which is not feasible?

yes! you are right its been years..but your BRT is still on FS stage!:lol: and when are we going to have an intercity BRT? maybe 2020 pa? i hope it will last after your retirement zid!

i can't give you economic calculations but i can state some transport principles.. see this drawing as an example of that principle that im trying to help you understand. and yes another drawing because it speaks a thousand words! and if you have questions about it pls. let me know..

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/5127854904_3f7b8ffba2_b.jpg

bulabog jalaur

June 17th, 2011, 07:36 AM

^^

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz189/dyollnarud/album%202/Image1225.jpg

This is the viaduct of DUBAI METRO GREEN LINE..:)

Moon's Eye

June 17th, 2011, 01:49 PM

thanks for your comprehensive reply sir zid.. as I have said BRT is good within certain routes in Cebu and I support that plan too. however, your planned INTERCITY BRT might not be as efficient as you have promised to cebuanos. Why? because you still have no concrete answer how these buses will go around several intersections without sacrificing travel time! (and i hate to say this again and again :lol:)

i did not say that the government will base their decision based on my opinion! lol! i am just merely stating the fact that i have personal experience riding these systems! and because you were asking me for proof.

as a tax paying resident, maybe i have the right to voice my opinion about what should be BEST for my community and how our taxes should be well spent. not the PWEDE NA solutions.

yes! you are right its been years..but your BRT is still on FS stage!:lol: and when are we going to have an intercity BRT? maybe 2020 pa? i hope it will last after your retirement zid!

i can't give you economic calculations but i can state some transport principles.. see this drawing as an example of that principle that im trying to help you understand. and yes another drawing because it speaks a thousand words! and if you have questions about it pls. let me know..

Hi Archerfish,
You know what, if it's been years that you were discussing the same topic with Sir Zid about what’s an efficient Mass transport System for Cebu (at least for now or the next 3-5 years), I think it's also been years that you keep on asking the same sentiments here which I believe were already answered by Sir Zid with all the information technicalities/realities/practicalities of the world or whatever it is to support it…

Please do comprehend properly the quoted paragraph below. If you still can’t fathom and still insist that there is some wrong or something fishy behind. I would say: there’s a problem here and it is you, something personal grudge I think.

we've been discussing this for quite some time, years actually. from the very start, all i just wanted from you guys is just factual and authoritative
studies that what you're saying is supported by intelligent analysis based
on transport principles and economic calculations. but its all talk and some
drawings. and now you're complaining why we're not doing studies for the
cebu LRT? why don't you do it! we've done enough, and IT IS SIMPLY NOT
FEASIBLE. want us to do? spend millions and millions of pesos to do studies
for a project which is not feasible?

Parchie

June 17th, 2011, 03:09 PM

cebuboi

June 17th, 2011, 07:06 PM

saan to??? the best fly over i've seen in the world

^^nope this is not flyover this is the dubai metro train tracks (the so called driverless metro train line) that i find it so aesthetically pleasing all throughout knowing that that the tracks are 98 percent overhead....but so costly that even the government here incurred heavy debts....

So do you mind to tell us what this is please ?

^^this is the dubai metro redline viaducts or the overhead train tracks...that i find so pleasing everytime i passes on my way to work...

^^

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz189/dyollnarud/album%202/Image1225.jpg

This is the viaduct of DUBAI METRO GREEN LINE..:)

^^not the green line bai but the red line...green line will be online the coming months

archerfish

June 17th, 2011, 11:17 PM

Hi Archerfish,
You know what, if it's been years that you were discussing the same topic with Sir Zid about what’s an efficient Mass transport System for Cebu (at least for now or the next 3-5 years), I think it's also been years that you keep on asking the same sentiments here which I believe were already answered by Sir Zid with all the information technicalities/realities/practicalities of the world or whatever it is to support it…

Please do comprehend properly the quoted paragraph below. If you still can’t fathom and still insist that there is some wrong or something fishy behind. I would say: there’s a problem here and it is you, something personal grudge I think.

@ moon eye
ha ha maybe it is you who should try to remember your english comprehension. because basing on your comment, you seem to have missed the points i have been bringing out here!

you said he has answered my sentiments already? are you sure?
so what was his answer regarding the same issue i have been bringing here again and again about the intersections that these BRT will be passing through especially if he insisted on using BRT for intercity travel without sacrificing travel time? can you answer that very specific question?

well, you said we've been talking about this for years. you should have read all the materials i have posted here before. unfortunately that thread was deleted because some people opted to post stupid comments on it. but you can help yourself by using the internet and try to educate your mind some more..

dont get me wrong zidlakan is my idol too in many ways! :lol: i have never met zid in my life nor have crossed paths with him before. so why are you suggesting that i have personal grudge with zidlakan?

@parchie. yes, you are right thaT if there is no studies that will back up your claim you better shut up... you mean to say that zidlakan should shut up too because right now he cant show us any studies to support the viability of intercity BRT for metro cebu? :lol: pls. correct me if im wrong...

Parchie

June 18th, 2011, 12:56 PM

@parchie. yes, you are right thaT if there is no studies that will back up your claim you better shut up... you mean to say that zidlakan should shut up too because right now he cant show us any studies to support the viability of intercity BRT for metro cebu? :lol: pls. correct me if im wrong...

I purposely chose to use softer phrases knowing some people are sensitive to some words but since you made it a point to be spiteful then we will use the phrase "shut up" from now on!

Back to the OT (original topic), the issue of BRT for the Metro Cebu is on an advanced stage, I guess. We must note that for any project proposal, studies are required before the NEDA even considers any proposal. It will be safe for me to say that the proponents completed studies regarding the project's feasibility, else NEDA could not have entertained this proposal. Honestly, I haven't seen the details myself, but that doesn't prove your point that "there was no feasibility study". You have the right to ask for public documents being a citizen yourself, like me. But i don't believe, NEDA exists just to make me happy when I ask for some documents from them. Or you, in this case. Anybody can come to any government office, ask for documents, pay the necessary fees (provided those documents are un-classified) and you can convince them of no ill will in the reason why you need a copy.

I believe that their are other factors that could make or break a proposal. The strongest of which is the perseverance of the proponents to go thru the process and push for the completion of their pet project. We must credit people for what they did and what they are; persistent in doing what they think is good for the majority of the Cebuano people. Cheers!

archerfish

June 18th, 2011, 08:09 PM

my apologies for using strong words there parch..maybe i should not have used shut up too!

yes i agree we must credit people for doing good things for our city.. but if these public officials sometimes got stuck with tunnel visions, maybe we can remind them also about the beauty of the other side of these tunnels.

i like your explanation as always..

:)

Moon's Eye

June 21st, 2011, 10:37 AM

@ moon eye
ha ha maybe it is you who should try to remember your english comprehension. because basing on your comment, you seem to have missed the points i have been bringing out here!

you said he has answered my sentiments already? are you sure?
so what was his answer regarding the same issue i have been bringing here again and again about the intersections that these BRT will be passing through especially if he insisted on using BRT for intercity travel without sacrificing travel time? can you answer that very specific question?

well, you said we've been talking about this for years. you should have read all the materials i have posted here before. unfortunately that thread was deleted because some people opted to post stupid comments on it. but you can help yourself by using the internet and try to educate your mind some more..

dont get me wrong zidlakan is my idol too in many ways! :lol: i have never met zid in my life nor have crossed paths with him before. so why are you suggesting that i have personal grudge with zidlakan?

@parchie. yes, you are right thaT if there is no studies that will back up your claim you better shut up... you mean to say that zidlakan should shut up too because right now he cant show us any studies to support the viability of intercity BRT for metro cebu? :lol: pls. correct me if im wrong...

@Archerfish... I hear you:lol:, maybe I missed the particular point you raised but I guess most of all were already being answered by Sir Zid. No offense, me too am a pro LRT/MRT but after reading the information presented here, in my mind I said… okay, it’s promising, let’s give it a try. I was just annoyed really, because from what I understand based on all your posts here, it seems to me like you are still have not gotten over with the decision to use BRT instead of LRT/MRT. I believed Sir Zid have done everything he could already, explaining every possible based on technicalities. If you just go over, read and understand all the information being presented here, maybe you will be enlightened :).

In response to the Intersection problem, let me post my dreamed solution for that: “why not use an underground tunnel or just simply have a fly over intended only for BRT in a case of intersection?”. Tunnel specifically in the Fuente Osmena Circle with entry and exit points for riders maybe inside/outside the circle, I think this is worth imagining:cheers:.

But anyway, BRT is still on FS stage, maybe they have a better solution for this, we’ll just wait, okay?

MatudNilaBaby

June 21st, 2011, 12:29 PM

@Archerfish... I hear you:lol:, maybe I missed the particular point you raised but I guess most of all were already being answered by Sir Zid. No offense, me too am a pro LRT/MRT but after reading the information presented here, in my mind I said… okay, it’s promising, let’s give it a try. I was just annoyed really, because from what I understand based on all your posts here, it seems to me like you are still have not gotten over with the decision to use BRT instead of LRT/MRT. I believed Sir Zid have done everything he could already, explaining every possible based on technicalities. If you just go over, read and understand all the information being presented here, maybe you will be enlightened :).

In response to the Intersection problem, let me post my dreamed solution for that: “why not use an underground tunnel or just simply have a fly over intended only for BRT in a case of intersection?”. Tunnel specifically in the Fuente Osmena Circle with entry and exit points for riders maybe inside/outside the circle, I think this is worth imagining:cheers:.

But anyway, BRT is still on FS stage, maybe they have a better solution for this, we’ll just wait, okay?

mas gamay siguro ang gasto sa fly over kaysa tunnel. i have seen a bus stop nga flyover diri sa metro transit system nila. so dunay morag ramp nga magsaka ang bus kon moabot na sa intersection. mosaka sa taas asa didto i unload ang mga pasahero which will make the pedestrian lanes under it less congested. inig human mudolhog nalang pud ang bus ngadto sa regular road unya ang mga pasahero monaog nalang pud via stairs or escalator. possible na imong idea and fuente osmena is the ideal place kay may wide space pa siya although unsa naman kaha ang looks sa fuente kon dunay flyover sa duol sa eskina. unless kon duna gyud aesthetic design sa flyover nga maka enhance sa look sa area.

archerfish

June 22nd, 2011, 06:23 AM

archerfish

June 22nd, 2011, 06:25 AM

mas gamay siguro ang gasto sa fly over kaysa tunnel. i have seen a bus stop nga flyover diri sa metro transit system nila. so dunay morag ramp nga magsaka ang bus kon moabot na sa intersection. mosaka sa taas asa didto i unload ang mga pasahero which will make the pedestrian lanes under it less congested. inig human mudolhog nalang pud ang bus ngadto sa regular road unya ang mga pasahero monaog nalang pud via stairs or escalator. possible na imong idea and fuente osmena is the ideal place kay may wide space pa siya although unsa naman kaha ang looks sa fuente kon dunay flyover sa duol sa eskina. unless kon duna gyud aesthetic design sa flyover nga maka enhance sa look sa area.

correct! :cheers:

Moon's Eye

June 22nd, 2011, 09:27 AM

dong moon's eye.. good luck on your dream solution bai! :lol:

:lol::lol: at least i'm offering a solution here

no comment.... :chill:

Moon's Eye

June 22nd, 2011, 09:37 AM

[QOUTE]Originally Posted by MatudNilaBaby
mas gamay siguro ang gasto sa fly over kaysa tunnel. i have seen a bus stop nga flyover diri sa metro transit system nila. so dunay morag ramp nga magsaka ang bus kon moabot na sa intersection. mosaka sa taas asa didto i unload ang mga pasahero which will make the pedestrian lanes under it less congested. inig human mudolhog nalang pud ang bus ngadto sa regular road unya ang mga pasahero monaog nalang pud via stairs or escalator. possible na imong idea and fuente osmena is the ideal place kay may wide space pa siya although unsa naman kaha ang looks sa fuente kon dunay flyover sa duol sa eskina. unless kon duna gyud aesthetic design sa flyover nga maka enhance sa look sa area.[/QUOTE]

correct! :cheers:

:)Yes, correct unya gamay sad gasto if ang whole stretch from Bulacao to Jones or all the way to Mandaue kay overhead train tracks :cheers:

Parchie

June 24th, 2011, 02:07 AM

:)Yes, correct unya gamay sad gasto if ang whole stretch from Bulacao to Jones or all the way to Mandaue kay overhead train tracks :cheers:

Kata-as gud ana bai! Mao nay "gamay" nimo? "irony" or plain language?

Moon's Eye

June 24th, 2011, 07:28 AM

Kata-as gud ana bai! Mao nay "gamay" nimo? "irony" or plain language?

dili ba ubyos :laugh:

naa man gud nangutana (usa ka forumer dire MRT/LRT advocate) unsaon kuno pag sulbad sa intersection problem if using BRT, then ako tubag kay tunnel or overpass, nya naa ni comment nga okay pero mahal lang daw ang tunnel. Unya kini nga isa ka MRT/LRT advocate ni Agree. Pero kun imo huna2on ang MRT/LRT mag problema sad baya ug intersection, unya unsa man pod solution sa MRT/LRT? Mao ako gi tubag nga gamay ra pod ug gasto kong ang whole stretch kay i-overhead train tracks. Lain man sad kaau kong sa intersection lang ang overhead track, murag ni sakay ta caterpillar ani sa kanang naay pista2. dbah? :lol::lol:

archerfish

June 28th, 2011, 03:37 AM

for me bai i would prefer to have one like these from north to south of cebu island..

jzgiqTxSxJ4

Buses and Trucks are the surge of road maintenance and road safety no matter where or what stretch we're talking about.

We MUST shift to passenger and freight rail capacity throughout the country and make rail freight competitive and enforce truck restrictions; eg. like weight loading restrictions, etc..

Trucks should be only the local delivery method of choice. For a well-functioning national road network, long-distance freight needs to use rail as transport method of choice. that is what advance economies are doing.. we should learn from them too.

BeaverQube

July 6th, 2011, 06:45 AM

Buses and Trucks are the surge of road maintenance and road safety no matter where or what stretch we're talking about.

We MUST shift to passenger and freight rail capacity throughout the country and make rail freight competitive and enforce truck restrictions; eg. like weight loading restrictions, etc..

Trucks should be only the local delivery method of choice. For a well-functioning national road network, long-distance freight needs to use rail as transport method of choice. that is what advance economies are doing.. we should learn from them too.

Aren't these the trains running now to Bicol? (di ba donated ang mga 'to ng Japan?)

vishaya

July 7th, 2011, 09:06 PM

dili ba ubyos :laugh:

naa man gud nangutana (usa ka forumer dire MRT/LRT advocate) unsaon kuno pag sulbad sa intersection problem if using BRT, then ako tubag kay tunnel or overpass, nya naa ni comment nga okay pero mahal lang daw ang tunnel. Unya kini nga isa ka MRT/LRT advocate ni Agree. Pero kun imo huna2on ang MRT/LRT mag problema sad baya ug intersection, unya unsa man pod solution sa MRT/LRT? Mao ako gi tubag nga gamay ra pod ug gasto kong ang whole stretch kay i-overhead train tracks. Lain man sad kaau kong sa intersection lang ang overhead track, murag ni sakay ta caterpillar ani sa kanang naay pista2. dbah? :lol::lol:

:) kay libre man magdamgo, subway is the solution!, walay eyesore kay obviously underground man tanan hasta stations. unya to solve intersections, build multilevel underground tracks. para convenient sa mga cebuano, build also underground malls sa major stations. unya buhat sad ta ug maglev para sa byahe to santander or bogo or daan bantayan. pun-an pa gyud nato ug dedicated freight rail para sa mga utanon, bisag 100 freight cars lang for each locomotive, OK na.

:banana: mura man pud ug japan ug shanghai! para sa mga nagdamgo, money is not the issue.

.... but i need to wake up now.

archerfish

July 13th, 2011, 09:12 AM

:) kay libre man magdamgo, subway is the solution!, walay eyesore kay obviously underground man tanan hasta stations. unya to solve intersections, build multilevel underground tracks. para convenient sa mga cebuano, build also underground malls sa major stations. unya buhat sad ta ug maglev para sa byahe to santander or bogo or daan bantayan. pun-an pa gyud nato ug dedicated freight rail para sa mga utanon, bisag 100 freight cars lang for each locomotive, OK na.

:banana: mura man pud ug japan ug shanghai! para sa mga nagdamgo, money is not the issue.

.... but i need to wake up now.

yes you need to wake up bai kay grabe ang traffic sa gawas..ma late ka sa trabaho nimo dong! :lol:

vishaya

July 14th, 2011, 02:31 AM

yes you need to wake up bai kay grabe ang traffic sa gawas..ma late ka sa trabaho nimo dong! :lol:

:lol: pagla-literal man nimo noy oi!

:)there's no traffic issues from where I am, moreover, I work 'flex time', I can go to work anytime i want.:)

sorry for the OT folks...

archerfish

July 14th, 2011, 10:31 AM

mao lagi sir..dili ko kasing bright nimo LOL! ah! ahente diay ka og insurance siguro sir! or basin model kaha.. did you ride the train sir? or did you ride the bus? :lol:

Parchie

July 14th, 2011, 02:31 PM

mao lagi sir..dili ko kasing bright nimo LOL! ah! ahente diay ka og insurance siguro sir! or basin model kaha.. did you ride the train sir? or did you ride the bus? :lol:

Ako la'y tubag bai! Did you walk ra bai! hehehehe

vishaya

July 14th, 2011, 11:14 PM

Ako la'y tubag bai! Did you walk ra bai! hehehehe

nanghuwan ra ko ug lana sa naga bai. :lol: (no offense sa mga taga-naga ha!)

bitaw, back to topic na. nilihis man - mura man ug padung personal issues na kung tubayan (which is irrelevant and very immature to engage with).

i will try to answer the last question though: I did rode LRT in Manila back then (there was only one line that time, Baclaran - Monumento). It's nice when you're in the train (above ground - but it ruined the whole Taft avenue on street level - especially the street level of Carriedo station and nearby stations). I also rode subways and train lines in Japan extensively (daily commute) and I really like it - especially the Shinkansen (bullet train). I like the tram and trains in Germany too. I rode trains and buses (both greyhound and city transit) in north america. I also tried all kinds of buses - from high end middle east buses (volvo's and mercedes benz), buses in philippines, south america, even buses in rural vietnam (riding with chickens, frogs and everything else).

to drive the point - yes, i know (and rode) different types of transport sytems. if it is only based on personal preference, it would be nice for Cebu to have a 'properly planned' advance train transporation systems similar to developed countries. As discussed oved and over again here in SSC, the costs associated with such sytems is 'prohibitive' (as pointed by someone before - was it you Parchie?) so why are we still insisting on it? it is becoming irritating to go back again and again in circles with the same arguments. lolo pa nako pasultihon, 'mura na ta ug tyubibo ani'.

i do believe in due time we will have such systems (the optimist in me) if our economy remains on track as it is now, fifteen, twenty years maybe?

Parchie

July 15th, 2011, 01:56 AM

nanghuwan ra ko ug lana sa naga bai. :lol: (no offense sa mga taga-naga ha!)

bitaw, back to topic na. nilihis man - mura man ug padung personal issues na kung tubayan (which is irrelevant and very immature to engage with).

i will try to answer the last question though: I did rode LRT in Manila back then (there was only one line that time, Baclaran - Monumento). It's nice when you're in the train (above ground - but it ruined the whole Taft avenue on street level - especially the street level of Carriedo station and nearby stations). I also rode subways and train lines in Japan extensively (daily commute) and I really like it - especially the Shinkansen (bullet train). I like the tram and trains in Germany too. I rode trains and buses (both greyhound and city transit) in north america. I also tried all kinds of buses - from high end middle east buses (volvo's and mercedes benz), buses in philippines, south america, even buses in rural vietnam (riding with chickens, frogs and everything else).

to drive the point - yes, i know (and rode) different types of transport sytems. if it is only based on personal preference, it would be nice for Cebu to have a 'properly planned' advance train transporation systems similar to developed countries. As discussed oved and over again here in SSC, the costs associated with such sytems is 'prohibitive' (as pointed by someone before - was it you Parchie?) so why are we still insisting on it? it is becoming irritating to go back again and again in circles with the same arguments. lolo pa nako pasultihon, 'mura na ta ug tyubibo ani'.

i do believe in due time we will have such systems (the optimist in me) if our economy remains on track as it is now, fifteen, twenty years maybe?I think it was the BRT main proponent, Engr. Villarete who spelled-out the cost-benefits aspects of having train systems here and on the BRT thread, sir. If my memory serves me right, I was asking for your definitions of some terms in relation to projects go, no-go criteria specifically your statement on having policy decision-makers with "feet planted on the ground". The point I was driving at is that whatever projects aimed at public service should be pursued even if the EIIR/ FIIR are not that rosy. How then are they to provide public service if all they see is money in return? If public money is for the public service, that is.

The fact is, most public agency managers are losing the "public" portion of public service. Government officers think like business managers and lean on the business/money aspect of each project proposals; they avoid measurements on the intangible and sometimes unseen "public service" values. I surfed the internet and found this fitting "cut' n paste":"private sector managers are more apt to support budget decisions made with analysis and less likely to support them when bargaining is applied. Public sector managers are less likely to support budget decisions backed by analysis and more likely to support those that are derived from bargaining with agency people." - Paul C. Nutt, ( (http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/2/289.short)2006 - PMRA) (http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/2/289.short)
Above-posted differences are somehow merged into one, with the entry of business-oriented managers into our public offices; e.g. most of them count the beans and discard "public service" as part of their decision-making considerations. I was looking for some answers as to the why's on this abrupt changes!

archerfish

July 15th, 2011, 07:13 AM

Ako la'y tubag bai! Did you walk ra bai! hehehehe

:lol::lol:

archerfish

July 15th, 2011, 07:17 AM

I think it was the BRT main proponent, Engr. Villarete who spelled-out the cost-benefits aspects of having train systems here and on the BRT thread, sir. If my memory serves me right, I was asking for your definitions of some terms in relation to projects go, no-go criteria specifically your statement on having policy decision-makers with "feet planted on the ground". The point I was driving at is that whatever projects aimed at public service should be pursued even if the EIIR/ FIIR are not that rosy. How then are they to provide public service if all they see is money in return? If public money is for the public service, that is.

The fact is, most public agency managers are losing the "public" portion of public service. Government officers think like business managers and lean on the business/money aspect of each project proposals; they avoid measurements on the intangible and sometimes unseen "public service" values. I surfed the internet and found this fitting "cut' n paste":"private sector managers are more apt to support budget decisions made with analysis and less likely to support them when bargaining is applied. Public sector managers are less likely to support budget decisions backed by analysis and more likely to support those that are derived from bargaining with agency people." - Paul C. Nutt, ( (http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/2/289.short)2006 - PMRA) (http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/2/289.short)
Above-posted differences are somehow merged into one, with the entry of business-oriented managers into our public offices; e.g. most of them count the beans and discard "public service" as part of their decision-making considerations. I was looking for some answers as to the why's on this abrupt changes!

maybe because a lot of them finished MBA courses here and there? there are some government executives taking up courses too at Asian Institute of Management(AIM). and you know what is being taught there right? it is how to make lots of money efficiently..and effortlessly! :cheers:

Parchie

July 15th, 2011, 02:54 PM

maybe because a lot of them finished MBA courses here and there? there are some government executives taking up courses too at Asian Institute of Management(AIM). and you know what is being taught there right? it is how to make lots of money efficiently..and effortlessly! :cheers:

Hehehe. Ug MBA lang, morag kulang, IMO. Masters in Public Administration (MPA) unta ang mas ha-um alang sa public sector "managers to be" or aspiring public agency officers.

vishaya

July 15th, 2011, 10:03 PM

I think it was the BRT main proponent, Engr. Villarete who spelled-out the cost-benefits aspects of having train systems here and on the BRT thread, sir. If my memory serves me right, I was asking for your definitions of some terms in relation to projects go, no-go criteria specifically your statement on having policy decision-makers with "feet planted on the ground". The point I was driving at is that whatever projects aimed at public service should be pursued even if the EIIR/ FIIR are not that rosy. How then are they to provide public service if all they see is money in return? If public money is for the public service, that is.

The fact is, most public agency managers are losing the "public" portion of public service. Government officers think like business managers and lean on the business/money aspect of each project proposals; they avoid measurements on the intangible and sometimes unseen "public service" values. I surfed the internet and found this fitting "cut' n paste":"private sector managers are more apt to support budget decisions made with analysis and less likely to support them when bargaining is applied. Public sector managers are less likely to support budget decisions backed by analysis and more likely to support those that are derived from bargaining with agency people." - Paul C. Nutt, ( (http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/2/289.short)2006 - PMRA) (http://jpart.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/2/289.short)
Above-posted differences are somehow merged into one, with the entry of business-oriented managers into our public offices; e.g. most of them count the beans and discard "public service" as part of their decision-making considerations. I was looking for some answers as to the why's on this abrupt changes!

enlighten me on this one... and let's take BRT as a reference, are you implying that it does not provide "public service"? or "public service" is not a big factor (if not nil) for its implementation? or are we just muddling the issue of sustainablity?

vishaya

July 15th, 2011, 10:28 PM

Buses and Trucks are the surge of road maintenance and road safety no matter where or what stretch we're talking about.

We MUST shift to passenger and freight rail capacity throughout the country and make rail freight competitive and enforce truck restrictions; eg. like weight loading restrictions, etc..

Trucks should be only the local delivery method of choice. For a well-functioning national road network, long-distance freight needs to use rail as transport method of choice. that is what advance economies are doing.. we should learn from them too.

for such an island with only ~225kms distance north to south and without any major industry that requires multiple rail cars traveling north to south for their cargo, do you honestly believe we need a freight rail for Cebu?

unsa may atong ikarga ana? tangkong gikan sa bantayan para itumod sa santander? :nuts:

cebuboi

July 16th, 2011, 08:51 AM

for such an island with only ~225kms distance north to south and without any major industry that requires multiple rail cars traveling north to south for their cargo, do you honestly believe we need a freight rail for Cebu?

unsa may atong ikarga ana? tangkong gikan sa bantayan para itumod sa santander? :nuts:

hmmm...sakto pud pero mas maayo siguro nga dili lang freighter train pede siguro nga dual purpose i mean commuter and freighter train...mas beneficial pa.

archerfish

July 17th, 2011, 09:45 AM

Hehehe. Ug MBA lang, morag kulang, IMO. Masters in Public Administration (MPA) unta ang mas ha-um alang sa public sector "managers to be" or aspiring public agency officers.

ideally it should be.. i do hope more government officials will even try to finish an MPA program at some colleges and universities. or even just some short courses at Development Academy of the Phils (DAP).

archerfish

July 17th, 2011, 09:55 AM

hmmm...sakto pud pero mas maayo siguro nga dili lang freighter train pede siguro nga dual purpose i mean commuter and freighter train...mas beneficial pa.

this is the kind of thinking that we should try to emulate.. YES! exactly! a combination of passenger and freight will work within the island of cebu.

aside from passengers unsa pay pwede ikarga from bantayan to santander? ha ha! kasayon ana tubagon..he he!

how about..bato, buhangin, semento, mais, manok, mamoy, maka, turista, etc.. :lol:

archerfish

July 17th, 2011, 10:07 AM

http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/agt_system5re1.jpg

All-Filipino automated guideway transit system soon to be in UP\ (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/lifestyle/07/17/11/all-filipino-automated-guideway-transit-system-soon-be)

abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 07/17/2011 9:46 AM | Updated as of 07/17/2011 9:46 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The first all-Filipino mass transport system dubbed the Automated Guideway Transit (AGT) system will soon be built on the Diliman campus of the University of the Philippines (UP).

On Monday, July 18, UP will sign a memorandum of agreement with the Department of Science and Technology (DOST) and the Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) to formally set UP Diliman as the site of the prototype of the AGT.

A groundbreaking ceremony at the corner of Emilio Jacinto Street and Lakandala Street in the campus will immediately follow.

The event is a result of a Memorandum of Understanding signed by UP and DOST last January, which specifies that the AGT prototype will have 2 60-passenger coaches running on one track.

The AGT is expected to play an important role in the UP community and in the study of alternative mass transport systems, said UP in a statement.

http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/todjikid1/upmonorail-1.jpg

DOST Secretary Mario Montejo earlier said that the cost of studying and creating a local AGT system is a lot cheaper at one-fifth of the cost of importing a unit from abroad.

The local AGT system is also seen as a peek into the future of mass transport systems made by Filipinos.

..

where is the feasibility study for this? :lol:

i hope they can put one in mactan island too!

Sleepwalker

July 17th, 2011, 01:35 PM

where is the feasibility study for this? :lol:

i hope they can put one in mactan island too!

For the comfort of the chosen few!!! :cheers:

makatiprime

July 17th, 2011, 03:15 PM

^^soon, monorail in up is our jumpstart to create many monorail system all over the philippines, the cost of this is a little more expensive than having a bus

Parchie

July 18th, 2011, 03:45 AM

enlighten me on this one... and let's take BRT as a reference, are you implying that it does not provide "public service"? or "public service" is not a big factor (if not nil) for its implementation? or are we just muddling the issue of sustainablity?

We can't say anything about BRT yet since it has not bloomed/come into fruition. That would be speculative and improper.

My point was on the way things are being run. Public service should have goals for "serving the greater public", accountable to the public (not buck passing), etc. These, and many other things are marginalized by principles of business management, IMHO. The in-thing right now is for heads managing public agencies practicing management styles similar to running businesses. That would be worse than having an entirely privately-managed service delivery. Imagine yourself at the shorter end of the rod for a public service provided by a government agency and you complain about it; only to be told that the agency decided they can't satisfy you because blah, blah , blah . . that would too costly! Or, imagine a government agency junking an innovative proposal that could provide solutions to problems (delivery of public service) just because a business analysis says it will not bring "profit"!(the business bottom-line).

I hope you got what I am driving at. We know money is always a stumbling block, but hey, did we not build bridges of little socio-economic impacts in the past? I know of a long road project built on piers above rice paddies too. But I didn't hear people say it' costly!

A true fact, service can be sourced from the government (public) or other institutions (private). If the service is provided by the private sector, people just have to look for substitute services from other providers if it is found unsatisfactory. But with a public agency, you have to bear with it as it is the legally-mandated agency to serve the people (monopolistic character). That should be true with government staying out of businesses and focused on public service delivery.

On sustainability, that can be achieved through grants/donations from philantrophists, government subsidy and earned revenue. But donations and government subsidies should be avoided as financial sources of governmental projects operations! Self-sufficiency is better. Earned revenues being part of the project conceptualization should provide for continuous operation of public service project. Whatever financing mode the government chooses, service to the public should be the utmost goal, in my own opinion.

vishaya

July 18th, 2011, 08:59 PM

this is the kind of thinking that we should try to emulate.. YES! exactly! a combination of passenger and freight will work within the island of cebu.

aside from passengers unsa pay pwede ikarga from bantayan to santander? ha ha! kasayon ana tubagon..he he!

how about..bato, buhangin, semento, mais, manok, mamoy, maka, turista, etc.. :lol:

i'm not sure if you're just playing ignorant or just trying to be amusing - thanks for trying though... but unfortunately your efforts just doesn't work. that is just like saying santander don't have those things you mentioned that you actually believe a freight train from bantayan is required to transport those (add passenger rail cars if you want).

you can do better than that to reinforce your arguments.

Parchie

July 19th, 2011, 12:58 AM

i'm not sure if you're just playing ignorant or just trying to be amusing - thanks for trying though... but unfortunately your efforts just doesn't work. that is just like saying santander don't have those things you mentioned that you actually believe a train from bantayan is required to supply them.

Thinking out-of-the-box, I see that it is possible for a railway system to be used not to supply goods to Cebu but using that rail as trans-shipment path! E.g. Dumaguete doesn't have enough berthing spaces for ships which Cebu does. Negros could course thru its produce by rail efficiently and fast through that railway into ships at Cebu Ports. Also, Bantayan could have lots of fish but doesn't have a big local market. The fish businessmen could have their fish sold in the city or sent to where they needed to be sent. Just imagining though.

vishaya

July 19th, 2011, 01:13 AM

Thinking out-of-the-box, I see that it is possible for a railway system to be used not to supply goods to Cebu but using that rail as trans-shipment path! E.g. Dumaguete doesn't have enough berthing spaces for ships which Cebu does. Negros could course thru its produce by rail efficiently and fast through that railway into ships at Cebu Ports. Also, Bantayan could have lots of fish but doesn't have a big local market. The fish businessmen could have their fish sold in the city or sent to where they needed to be sent. Just imagining though.

then what you need is build better ports, eliminate an expensive freight rail 'trans-shipment path' and free-up real estates. we are not looking for 6m drafts for inter-island shipping and the type of goods we have. of course these ports can also service passenger vessels, leisure crafts etc.

archerfish

July 20th, 2011, 01:23 AM

i'm not sure if you're just playing ignorant or just trying to be amusing - thanks for trying though... but unfortunately your efforts just doesn't work. that is just like saying santander don't have those things you mentioned that you actually believe a freight train from bantayan is required to transport those (add passenger rail cars if you want).
.....

maybe i can be both! :lol:

tunnel vision again..he he! aside from bantayan and santander, what about the other towns/municipalities along the rail corridor? don't they need something from metropolitan cebu that needs to be transported too and vice versa? and we are not considering passengers yet.

so you think santander has everything already? how about suka, toyo, asukal, lansang, banig, beer, cooking oil, ice cream, etc, etc..

what about the needs of students in nearby dumaguete!..hmnn.. notebook, ballpen, lapis, dvd, papel, eraser, rotring 1, 3, 5, kumot, etc.

for siquijor..maybe bat wings, lana, silhig, etc..:lol:

you can do better than that to reinforce your arguments

i will just show you a video to make you happy sir! :lol:
2c6hxSoCgn8

vishaya

July 20th, 2011, 06:06 AM

^^

now you're becoming childish, obviously running out of arguments...

Parchie

July 20th, 2011, 10:02 PM

then what you need is build better ports, eliminate an expensive freight rail 'trans-shipment path' and free-up real estates. we are not looking for 6m drafts for inter-island shipping and the type of goods we have. of course these ports can also service passenger vessels, leisure crafts etc.

Sad to say, 72 port projects contracted to the French was dropped by Aquino. Goodbye to our dreams of having more and better ports!

flesh_is_weak

July 21st, 2011, 05:22 AM

^^soon, monorail in up is our jumpstart to create many monorail system all over the philippines, the cost of this is a little more expensive than having a bus

monorails are best reserved for amusement parks, not cities where people actually live and work

jochval

July 21st, 2011, 05:38 AM

unsa naman tong plan sa una nga underwater tunnel sa mainland cebu to mactan island?

zidlakan

July 21st, 2011, 06:41 AM

monorails are best reserved for amusement parks, not cities where people actually live and work

actually, universities, too, it should be okay, considering the costs, ridership,
use, travel time, and economic/financial feasibility (yes, these are considered
too, that's why they're feasible in amusements parks).

archerfish

July 21st, 2011, 10:32 AM

monorails are best reserved for amusement parks, not cities where people actually live and work

wow! another expert opinion..:lol:

if the australians would listen to you, they should not have built the monorail in their CBD? ha ha! :lol: i dont blame your ignorance..maybe in your place there in canada you only see it at the amusement parks :lol:..you have access to the internet pls. educate yourself some more! :bash:

here is a picture of that nice monorail in Sydney. i rode on it a few years back and it was full of people on thier morning commute to the office when i happened to ride in it..

http://monorails.org/webpix%202/Sydney02.jpg

here is a video too..
7OYECbb6qFs

and a video from other cities and countries..and see if it is only in amusement parks..
TUoqeRADp4Q

archerfish

July 21st, 2011, 10:37 AM

^^

now you're becoming childish, obviously running out of arguments...

arent those i wrote above good enough? ha ha! basin sir gusto pa nimo in APA format pa! :lol:

vishaya

July 21st, 2011, 08:13 PM

arent those i wrote above good enough? ha ha! basin sir gusto pa nimo in APA format pa! :lol:

you got nothing but quiddity...

flesh_is_weak

July 22nd, 2011, 03:25 AM

wow! another expert opinion..:lol:

if the australians would listen to you, they should not have built the monorail in their CBD? ha ha! :lol: i dont blame your ignorance..maybe in your place there in canada you only see it at the amusement parks :lol:..you have access to the internet pls. educate yourself some more! :bash:

here is a picture of that nice monorail in Sydney. i rode on it a few years back and it was full of people on thier morning commute to the office when i happened to ride in it..

here is a video too..
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OYECbb6qFs">YouTube Link</a>

and a video from other cities and countries..and see if it is only in amusement parks..
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUoqeRADp4Q">YouTube Link</a>

Good for the Australians, they can afford one...The city of Toronto also has an efficient transit system, but instead of costly monorails, we have a network of buses and streetcars complimenting our subway system...the lack of a monorail doesnt make it any less livable, in fact, it ranks higher than Sydney...If a world class city like Toronto can function with buses, why spend more on monorails for Cebu, a city that unfortunately, is in the third world?

Besides, I think you're forgetting about the purpose of mass transit...it's the efficient movement of a large number of people over wide areas...if Cebu were to have a system similar to Sydney's, at 8 stations, that would be too impractical

Monorails are nice, 'futuristic', and flashy...but there are things that a well organized bus network can do that a monorail system can't...that's why we in the great white north just keep them in the amusement parks and zoos

funny how in your 'research', you selectively filter out websites that point out that impracticality of monorail versus more conventional forms of public transit

This would be my last reply to you though, no point arguing with someone who's already made up his mind...and your borderline ad hominem comments are a tad too distasteful...you're entitled to air out your views though, freedom of speech is a right after all (unfortunately)...i just hope that our local policy makers would be sane enough to not listen to them :lol:

zidlakan

July 22nd, 2011, 11:03 AM

funny how in your 'research', you selectively filter out websites that point out that impracticality of monorail versus more conventional forms of public transit

like this one, perhaps?

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/tourist-trap-off-the-rails-on-cost-20110305-1binp.html?from=smh_sb

nonetheless, i still believe on the applicability of the monorail systems. it has
its applications in certain specialized transport requirements. amusement parks
seem to be the more favored locations. so are universities and tourist districts.
but maybe not as city/urban mass transport systems where they may prove to
be very expensive (see above news report). even the sydney monorail was ori-
ginally conceptualized for darling harbour, which is a recreational and pedestrian
precinct, which included chinatown, powerhouse museum, sydney aquarium and
the sydney convention and exhibition centre (see archerfish'es map). as sydney
lord mayor clover moore, said, ''it is not a viable commuter service.'' of course,
technical considerations considering capacity and speed will readily tell you that,
unless you don't believe in technical considerations, and use only pictures and
videos for arguments.

monorail for UP-diliman, yes, mactan island, i'm not sure, maybe not, the ridership
is simply too high. maybe for the SRP, as a closed-loop monorail, it might
work, unless the BRT passing through it will suffice (anyway, this is under
study right now). a single-line monorail connecting the hotels and resorts of
the eastern seaboard of mactan may also work and could be studied. but as
far as regular commuting service for the island itself, i wouldn't bet on it.

Bricken Ridge

July 23rd, 2011, 08:21 AM

Super bridge’ gains support
By Katlene O. Cacho

Friday, July 22, 2011

BOHOL Gov. Edgar Chatto supports the proposal to construct a “super bridge” that would link Cebu and Bohol as this would pave the way for more economic growth in the region.

“We should always think about regional growth,” he said at the sidelines of the Sandugo Trade Expo press conference in Tagbilaran City.

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Although the project is still under discussion, Chatto stressed the proposed Bohol-Cebu Multi-Access Friendship Bridge would complement both provinces as this would improve transportation, tourism and productivity in both areas.

The proposed friendship bridge is a brainchild project of former Bohol governor and now Rep. Erico Aumentado (Bohol, second district). The feasibility study on the proposal was awarded to the Economic Development Cooperation Fund (EDCF), a Korean firm, for $3 million.

As proposed, the 90-kilometer bridge will link Cebu and Bohol through the towns of Cordova (Cebu) and Getafe (Bohol) is expected to cost at least P20 billion.

Chatto said that if realized, the bridge will facilitate a more seamless flow of goods and support infrastructure such as power, telecommunication and other services that will benefit both provinces.

Chatto added that although the construction of the bridge might impact on the shipping industry, this would also open the opportunity for shipping companies to rethink strategies and consider other islands to service.

Aside from the support he will extend to the proposed friendship bridge, Chatto also said he will continue to sustain and develop tourism packages to make Bohol the eco-cultural tourism capital in the Philippines.

“The Bohol model of development is not just a one-shot deal. It is a well-planned strategy since the past administrations. We are continuously assessing our strengths and identifying opportunities so we could position our province well in the nation,” Chatto said.

He referred to his current HEAT (Health and sanitation, Education and technology, Agriculture and food security, Tourism and livelihood) Bohol development agenda.

The Province of Bohol has partnered with foreign institutions and the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) 7 in helping local small and medium enterprises (SMEs) create linkages in the tourism sector.

thearcangel

July 23rd, 2011, 09:45 AM

Parchie

July 23rd, 2011, 10:45 AM

Is it really 90kms the distance between Jetafe, Bohol and Cordova, Cebu where both approaches of the bridge are planned to be built? If you look at the map and use scaling it will only be between 30-35kms.

The straight line distance between Cordova (lat 10.25194 deg. N; long 123.9494 deg. E) and Getafe (lat 10.1390588 deg. N; long 124.1549492 deg. E) is 25.78 km or 16.019 miles. However, bridges are seldom constructed straight as designers will have to choose shallower portions or pick some islands as anchor points.

Here, using adjacent islands as anchor points:

Cordova (Brgy. Catarman) to Hilutongan Island = 6.137 km
Hilutongan Island to Nalusuan Island = 2.216 km
Nalusuan Island to Cabul-an Island = 8.415 km
Cabul-an Island to Getafe, Bohol shores = 11.68 km
Total distance = 28.5 km (rounded off)

I am at a loss how to justify a 90 km bridgeway! It seems the bridge comes near the destination point and was turned back to the starting point before being brought to the final destination! (assume 30 km X 3).

Or are they planning to construct 3 X two-lane bridges?

makatiprime

July 23rd, 2011, 11:50 AM

zidlakan

July 23rd, 2011, 01:28 PM

The straight line distance between Cordova (lat 10.25194 deg. N; long 123.9494 deg. E) and Getafe (lat 10.1390588 deg. N; long 124.1549492 deg. E) is 25.78 km or 16.019 miles. However, bridges are seldom constructed straight as designers will have to choose shallower portions or pick some islands as anchor points.

Here, using adjacent islands as anchor points:

Cordova (Brgy. Catarman) to Hilutongan Island = 6.137 km
Hilutongan Island to Nalusuan Island = 2.216 km
Nalusuan Island to Cabul-an Island = 8.415 km
Cabul-an Island to Getafe, Bohol shores = 11.68 km
Total distance = 28.5 km (rounded off)

I am at a loss how to justify a 90 km bridgeway! It seems the bridge comes near the destination point and was turned back to the starting point before being brought to the final destination! (assume 30 km X 3).

Or are they planning to construct 3 X two-lane bridges?

i only have two words for this report:

NO COMMENT! :lol:

brockupo

July 23rd, 2011, 02:05 PM

monorails are best reserved for amusement parks, not cities where people actually live and work

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Mono-shibaura.jpg/800px-Mono-shibaura.jpg

Tokyo Monorail: Tokyo. The world's busiest and most commercially successful monorail line, carrying around 100 million passengers yearly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Monorail

Bricken Ridge

July 24th, 2011, 10:33 AM

eto ang pinakahihintay ko na ambitious project ng pinas, ang tulay na magdudugton sa cebu-bohol then bohol-leyte, and ilo-ilo-guimaras-negros bridge and dumaguete-santander,cebu bridge........................ONE VISAYAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's not a dream. It's a matter of when it will happen.

flesh_is_weak

July 24th, 2011, 06:56 PM

Tokyo Monorail: Tokyo. The world's busiest and most commercially successful monorail line, carrying around 100 million passengers yearly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Monorail

if it's so awesome, why not expand the network to the rest of Tokyo? this monorail does serve its purpose, very well in fact, but only as a connector line between Haneda Airport and the rest of the Tokyo Metro...it however, cannot be relied upon as an efficient form of mass transportation in a densely populated area--monorail cars are simply too small...that's why generally, their use have been limited to transporting tourists in themeparks, and travelers in between airport terminals

when you put into consideration Cebu's population and the limited capacity of monorail, and the high cost of operating this form of transportation with Cebu's (and The Philippines') economic status, it's a no-brainer that monorail wouldn't work here

archerfish

July 24th, 2011, 07:27 PM

Good for the Australians, they can afford one...The city of Toronto also has an efficient transit system, but instead of costly monorails, we have a network of buses and streetcars complimenting our subway system...the lack of a monorail doesnt make it any less livable, in fact, it ranks higher than Sydney...If a world class city like Toronto can function with buses, why spend more on monorails for Cebu, a city that unfortunately, is in the third world?

Besides, I think you're forgetting about the purpose of mass transit...it's the efficient movement of a large number of people over wide areas...if Cebu were to have a system similar to Sydney's, at 8 stations, that would be too impractical

Monorails are nice, 'futuristic', and flashy...but there are things that a well organized bus network can do that a monorail system can't...that's why we in the great white north just keep them in the amusement parks and zoos

funny how in your 'research', you selectively filter out websites that point out that impracticality of monorail versus more conventional forms of public transit

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really? ha ha! i dont care if toronto is livable or not or what kind of mass transit system you have there. i was just reacting to your motherhood statement about monorails. remember this?
Originally Posted by flesh_is_weak
monorails are best reserved for amusement parks, not cities where people actually live and work

besides, i did not say that a monorail system should be put up in the busy areas of metro cebu. :lol: READ THE POSTS AGAIN!!! do you know where mactan island is? as you say you live in the great white north.. pls. try to improve your reading comprehension. :lol:

oh by the way, i dont want to use the word ignorant again, but keep your facts straight..your city is way below sydney in ranking consistently! ha ha!
here is for last year!
1 VIENNA AUSTRIA 108.6
2 ZURICH SWITZERLAND 108
3 GENEVA SWITZERLAND 107.9
4 VANCOUVER CANADA 107.4
4 AUCKLAND NEW ZEALAND 107.4
6 DUSSELDORF GERMANY 107.2
7 FRANKFURT GERMANY 107
7 MUNICH GERMANY 107
9 BERN SWITZERLAND 106.5
10 SYDNEY AUSTRALIA 106.3
11 COPENHAGEN DENMARK 106.2
12 WELLINGTON NEW ZEALAND 105.9
13 AMSTERDAM NETHERLANDS 105.7
14 OTTAWA CANADA 105.5
15 BRUSSELS BELGIUM 105.4
16 TORONTO CANADA 105.3
17 BERLIN GERMANY 105
18 MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA 104.8
19 LUXEMBOURG LUXEMBOURG 104.6
20 STOCKHOLM SWEDEN 104.5

source: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/814474--toronto-is-16th-most-livable-city-in-the-world

this is about cebu not about your city's amusement park! :lol:

archerfish

July 24th, 2011, 07:34 PM

flesh_is_weak

July 24th, 2011, 08:44 PM

This is about Cebu...exactly! Do you seriously think that Cebu's economy could support a technology as expensive as monorails?

Let me paraphrase something interesting that I read online: most people's experience with monorails have been during trips to places like Disneyland and Vegas...this leads people to associate monorails with pleasant experiences, creating positive attitudes and opinions towards monorails

Kung sa binisaya pa: nabag-uhan ug na-ignorante sa monorail

And don't get me wrong, I'm not against having a modern transit for Cebu, in fact, I am very much in favor of it...but we have to be objective and have to be mindful of the fact that in the world stage, we are a backwater, hence we have to invest in practical options that are within our means

And finally, not to a start a CvC between cities that are not even our hometowns, city ranking statistics have tendencies to be subjective, and different organizations publish different rankings...in some lists for example, London is on top, while NYC in others...but as a torontonian, im proud to say that in most of those lists, the city of Toronto has always ranked high, well within the top 5...it just so happened that with your, how can I say this, "expert" use of Internet search engines, that you were able to pull out a list where Sydney outranks it

Cheers!

jochval

July 25th, 2011, 02:59 AM

eto ang pinakahihintay ko na ambitious project ng pinas, ang tulay na magdudugton sa cebu-bohol then bohol-leyte, and ilo-ilo-guimaras-negros bridge and dumaguete-santander,cebu bridge........................ONE VISAYAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and a bridge linking Southern Leyte and Surigao..ONE VISAYAS AND MINDANAO
and a bridge linking Northern Samar and Sorgoson...ONE PHILIPPINES..

lols..:lol:

Parchie

July 25th, 2011, 05:24 AM

and a bridge linking Southern Leyte and Surigao..ONE VISAYAS AND MINDANAO
and a bridge linking Northern Samar and Sorgoson...ONE PHILIPPINES..

lols..:lol:

OT na bai! Cebu infra lang unta.

But linking the islands is a good dream though!

MatudNilaBaby

July 27th, 2011, 05:37 AM

a monorail linking mepza, mciaa and srp, cbp and aitp would make a good loop. aside from moving people using a different mode but it will also add to cebu's resort kinda atmosphere. more like a bigger disneyland minus the rides but you get fascinated by the sights of the cebu-mactan channel, port and harbor, the skyscrapers of metro cebu and the green mountain backdrop. then tops and beverly hills will be link by cable cars. it will be a good project for ppp between the city, province and the business sector.

Parchie

July 27th, 2011, 07:14 AM

MatudNilaBaby

July 27th, 2011, 07:27 AM

Kanindot aning imong mga damgo 'nyor uy! By that time, tiguwang na ta! Unya di na ta ganahan mo langyaw aron malingaw! Anhi na lang ta magtuyok-tuyok sa Cebu!

we have to dream big you know. dako kaayo ug potential ang cebu. kun kulang ta sapagtagad sa national government then atong gamiton ang atong kaugalingon mga huna2x and will power nga ma improve ang atong lugar. daghan na siguro manguli ug mo retire sa cebu kon duna naman monorail ug cable cars. mobalik gyud atong pagkabatan-on ani sige ug sakay2x sa monorail. daghan biya kaayo mga tigulang diri mag suroy2x nalang sa mga theme park as their form of socialization. sa ato will be multi purpose ang monorail para sa tanan.

tan-awa na ron ilang himuon nga first monorail sa up diliman kon asa na padulong. kinsa man kunoy mobayad ana bi ang mga estudyante nga majority sa mosakay nga wala man gani na silay suweldo unya adto na hinuon didto himuon ang 1st monorail? cebu needs other forms of transportation like the brt but kulang pa gihapon na kay nagkadako ang atong population.

dili naman ta maapsan sa sea travel kay nagsugwak naman nang atong barko ug sa air travel pud kita sab ang hub sa domestic except sa international destination nga kinahanglan pa padak-an pa ang atong destination. ang ato nalang gyud nga kulang ang mass transit system that includes the brt and a system of freeways and railways.

cyberCEBU

July 27th, 2011, 10:59 AM

flesh_is_weak

July 27th, 2011, 11:30 PM

zidlakan

July 28th, 2011, 01:12 AM

Nganong ganahan man kaayo mo ug monorail nga mahal man kaayo na? Mas mahal pa sa LRT ug gamay ra ug capacity...Kung kanang igasto sa gobyerno alang sa monorail sa UP Diliman, igasto na lang unta sa BRT o bisan LRT sa Cebu, mas daghan ug mabulahan

after 3 years of continuous discourse on transport systems in these threads, i
no longer ask that question. apparently we can't, if the only basis is what we
like or what we don't like, and then support our positions with pictures and
videos of things that we like (sometimes posting negative pictures and videos
of the things we don't like). it doesn't matter anyway, ultimately, i am 90%
sure government will decide on projects that really mean something, ... that
makes a difference, ... and that which people's money's worth and not wasted.
see, i have to say 90% because, well ..., you can't never be sure, there are
still possibilities politicians or other self-serving interests will make decisions
that are notably oblique ... that's why PNOY is crusading on the "daang matu-
wid." but in general, let's give the system a chance - in general, projects are
decided based on ssocio-economic feasibility indicators - what are approved
are those which are feasible, those with doubtful cost-benefit ratios are not.
the system of project evaluation in place provides for it, and the procedure is
already carved out in the guidelines.

just a note on the UP monorail - again, note its circumstances on why it maybe
a viable venture ... 1) it's within UP property so you don't need to acquire road
right of way. that's already half the cost. 2) it doesn't intersect heavy public
roads and intersections (only tricycles and ikot jeepneys) so there is no need
of elaborate multi-level stations, 3) the ridership are students (homogenious
and not diverse, so the system is simplified, and 4) that's only 60 - passengers
in, what, 2 km. loop? in effect, what i am saying is - there are systems that are
appropriate for certain situations, and the choice depends on those situations.

for mainstream city/urban mass transport, monorails are more expensive, that's
why even the sydney and the haneda to hamamatsu monorails are proposed
to be replaced/upgraded to regular two-rail systems (read back on the previous
posts and references).

but as we have conceded before, let dreams be dreams, and let's try to do that
here, who knows, we might reach a level of development (read, per capita GDP)
when we can afford to spend on luxurious systems. dreams doesn't cost anything
except a few minutes of internet time here ...

good day. :)

Parchie

July 28th, 2011, 05:20 AM

we have to dream big you know. dako kaayo ug potential ang cebu. kun kulang ta sapagtagad sa national government then atong gamiton ang atong kaugalingon mga huna2x and will power nga ma improve ang atong lugar. daghan na siguro manguli ug mo retire sa cebu kon duna naman monorail ug cable cars. mobalik gyud atong pagkabatan-on ani sige ug sakay2x sa monorail. daghan biya kaayo mga tigulang diri mag suroy2x nalang sa mga theme park as their form of socialization. sa ato will be multi purpose ang monorail para sa tanan.

tan-awa na ron ilang himuon nga first monorail sa up diliman kon asa na padulong. kinsa man kunoy mobayad ana bi ang mga estudyante nga majority sa mosakay nga wala man gani na silay suweldo unya adto na hinuon didto himuon ang 1st monorail? cebu needs other forms of transportation like the brt but kulang pa gihapon na kay nagkadako ang atong population.

dili naman ta maapsan sa sea travel kay nagsugwak naman nang atong barko ug sa air travel pud kita sab ang hub sa domestic except sa international destination nga kinahanglan pa padak-an pa ang atong destination. ang ato nalang gyud nga kulang ang mass transit system that includes the brt and a system of freeways and railways.

I agree with the assessment that there is a big potential here. Unfortunately, government decisions almost always seldom achieve those potentials. It is a given understanding that our government usually assess projects either with the built-in optimistic bias resulting to high EIRR's (could be pricing errors or dictates from loan institutions stipulations) or pessimistic (whoever is doing the project assessment) resulting to projects getting low EIRRs. But I once read a paper done by the PCIJ that 7 out of 10 ODA projects have actual EIRR's falling when actual reassessments were conducted after project completion.

A project assessment could be financially viable on paper but there will always be "hidden values" associated with projects that will manifest themselves only during the actual operations. The project's economic value represents the true, and perhaps otherwise hidden, value of a good or service, I was told.

Oh, BTW, I was doing a parallel surfing to try and find the info that I read a long time ago re ODA projects and I found it! HERE (http://philippineodatrail.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/the-perils-and-pitfalls-of-aid-7-in-10-oda-projects-fail-to-deliver-touted-benefits/)

archerfish

July 29th, 2011, 07:45 PM

Nganong ganahan man kaayo mo ug monorail nga mahal man kaayo na? Mas mahal pa sa LRT ug gamay ra ug capacity...Kung kanang igasto sa gobyerno alang sa monorail sa UP Diliman, igasto na lang unta sa BRT o bisan LRT sa Cebu, mas daghan ug mabulahan

^^
another expert opinion from the amusement park!

UNLESS MAS BRIGHT ka kaysa taga UP..pasagdi lang na sila bai!

who knows when you come home to cebu some day you might see a monorail system running already..para dili na ka matagaw bai!

there are always possibilities!

MatudNilaBaby

July 29th, 2011, 10:34 PM

lrt would be difficult to achieve in the congested metro cebu area unless above ground na siya which can also be achieve by a monorail. puede man nimo ipasikot sikot ang monorail sa mga gagmay nga kadalanan. ang ato lang gud nga duna we have to have different modes of land transpo within our metropolis at the same time nga maghatag pud sa cebu nga mora ug resort style standard. known gud ta as an international destination so we have to offer something more than the usual heritage sites and beaches. people dont go to hongkong just to shop but to savor everything that tiny island has to offer.

archerfish

August 2nd, 2011, 09:32 AM

BCDA to bid out 20-km monorail..

THE Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA) plans to bid out the proposed 20-km elevated monorail project connecting the cities of Makati, Taguig and Pasay that is targeted to be completed by 2016.

Felicito C. Payumo, chairman of the BCDA, said the elevated monorail will replicate the monorail system in Sydney, Australia.

The monorail will pass through The Fort in Taguig, Makati, Mall of Asia and the airport before connecting to the Metro Rail Transit 3 and Light Rail Transit in Pasay. He added that BCDA will coordinate with the Metro Manila Development Authority and the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) on the project.

A third party will conduct a feasibility study as soon as the project proposal gets initial approval.

The study will take at least 150 days.The monorail project will be offered under the Public-Private Partnership (PPP) initiative.

Payumo said foreign and local firms have expressed interest in participating in the proposed monorail project, but added said it too early to identify them.

"We will announce the foreign proponents who intend to bid at the right time" he said

The project is expected to be completed before the term of the Aquino administration ends.

Manuel V. Pangilinan, Metro North Tollway Corp. (MNTC) chairman, said his group is interested in bidding for the monorail project.

Payumo and Pangilinan yesterday signed on behalf of the BCDA and MNTC the 33-year concession agreement for the Subic-Clark-Tarlac expressway (SCTEX).

Under the agreement, MNTC will operate and manage the SCTEX, relieving BCDA of the heavy financial burden of paying the latter’s P34 billion debt to the Japan International Cooperation Agency.

Arnel Paciano D. Casanova, BCDA president and chief executive officer, said the government will have estimated revenues of P64 billion for 33 years, of which P30 billion will go to the Treasury. The remainder will be used to pay the debt to JICA.

"This agreement is our contribution to the Aquino government’s Public and Private Partnership (PPP) program. We see it as innovative because it frees the government of the heavy debt servicing burden. We can say that the SCTEX was built at no cost to the government," the BCDA official said.

Based on the revenue-sharing scheme between the BCDA and MNTC, in the first six years the bulk of revenues will be given to the government – about 55 to 60 percent to the BCDA – and 40 to 45 percent to the MNTC. But starting in 2017, the revenue sharing will be 80 to 20 in favor of the MNTC.

Rodrigo Franco, MNTC president, said that his group expected to have more than P180 billion in revenues for 33 years, three times the government revenues, as 80 percent will go to the MNTC after six years.

The MNTC has also committed to spend a total of P20.6 billion for maintenance works.

this is for you zid! :lol:

these people in Manila seem to have not read what you wrote in your previous posts! :lol:

if only we can tell the world that cebu needs railways too!

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