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Rx727sfl2002

July 22nd, 2006, 04:48 PM

She is Still Alive

Raquel Welch
Date of birth (location)
5 September 1940
Chicago, Illinois, USA

Currently filming Forget About It (2006) .... Christine DeLee

Birth name
Jo Raquel Tejada
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Height
5' 6" (1.68 m)
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Mini biography
A new reigning 60s international sex symbol took her cinematic throne as soon as Raquel Welch emerged from the sea in her purposely depleted, furry prehistoric bikini get-up. Tantalizingly wet with her garb clinging to all the right amazonian places, One Million Years B.C. (1966), if nothing else, captured the hearts and libidos of modern men (not to mention their teenage sons) while producing THE most definitive and best-selling pin-up poster of that time. After a major dry spell following the death of Marilyn Monroe in 1962, the auburn-maned Ms. Welch effortlessly assumed Marilyn's title and forever wiped away the notion that enduring sex goddesses came only in one form -- bottled blondes.

She was born Jo Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois, the first of three children born to Bolivian Armando Carlos Tejada, an aerospace engineer, and his Irish-American wife Josephine Sarah Hall. The family moved to San Diego, California (her father was transferred) when Raquel was only two. Taking dance lessons as a youngster, she grew up to be quite a knockout and nailed a number of teen beauty titles ("Miss Photogenic," "Miss La Jolla," "Miss Contour," "Miss Fairest of the Fair" and "Miss San Diego"). With her sights set on theater arts, she studied at San Diego State College on a scholarship starting in 1958 and married her first husband, a high school sweetheart named James Welch, the following year. They had two children Damon (born 1960) and Tahnee (born 1961). Tahnee would go on to take advantage of her own stunning looks as an actress, most notably a prime featured role in Cocoon (1985).

On the sly, Raquel became a local TV weather girl in San Diego and eventually quit college because of her responsibilities. Following the end of her marriage in 1961 (they divorced in 1965), she packed up her two children and moved to Dallas, Texas, where she modeled for Neiman-Marcus and worked as a barmaid for a time. Regrouping, she returned to California, migrated to Los Angeles, and made the rounds of film/TV auditions. Providing sexy/perky decoration on such shows as "Bewitched," "McHale's Navy" and "The Virginian," she also paid her dues in filler bits with such movies as Elvis Presley's Roustabout (1964) and Doris Day's Do Not Disturb (1965). In the midst of the "beach party" craze, it's not surprising to find that her first prime role would be in the obvious A Swingin' Summer (1965), which concentrated more on musical guests 'Righteous Brothers, The and 'Gary Lewis & the Playboys' than on Raquel's outstanding contributions. But 20th Century Fox certainly took notice and signed her up. With her very first film under contract (actually, she was on loan out to Britain's Hammer Studios at the time), she took on the remake of One Million B.C. (1940) in the Carole Landis role and the rest is history.

Raquel remained an international commodity for her first few years of celebrity. In England, she was quite revealing as the deadly sin representing "lust" for the comedy team of Peter Cook and Dudley Moore in their vehicle Bedazzled (1967), and as the title secret agent in the sexy spy spoof Fathom (1967). In Italy, she appeared in mediocre vehicles opposite such heartthrobs as Marcello Mastroianni. Back in the U.S. by 1968, she caused quite a stir in her brazen sex scenes with black athlete Jim Brown in the "spaghetti western" Bandolero! (1968), and as the transgendered title role in the unfathomable Myra Breckinridge (1970), adapted from Gore Vidal novel while locking horns with the aging diva Mae West. The instant cult movie was a laughing stock to all concerned and certainly damaged Raquel's attempt at being taking seriously as an actress.

Box office bombs abounded after this. Try as she might with dramatic stabs in Hannie Caulder (1971), Kansas City Bomber (1972) and The Wild Party (1975), the writing was pretty much on the wall that Hollywood was resistant. With determination, she offset this briefly by appearing in large ensemble pieces. She showed definite spark and won a Golden Globe for the swashbuckler The Three Musketeers (1973), and appeared to good advantage in the mystery thriller The Last of Sheila (1973). TV movies became a positive milieu for Raquel as she developed serious vehicles for herself such as The Legend of Walks Far Woman (1982) (TV) and Right to Die (1987) (TV). She also found a lucrative avenue pitching beauty products in infomercials and developing exercise videos à la Jane Fonda.

Moreover, Raquel took advantage of her modest singing and dancing abilities, by performing in splashy Las Vegas showrooms and starring in such plausible stage vehicles as "Woman of the Year" and "Victor/Victoria." Still a dazzler at age 60+, she has been seen sporadically over the years and still able to turn heads. More recently she co-starred in the Hispanic-oriented TV series "American Family" (2002) and in the film Tortilla Soup (2001). She is currently married to fourth husband Richard Palmer, who is 15 years her junior.

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IMDb mini-biography by
Gary Brumburgh / gr-home@pacbell.net
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Spouse
Richard Palmer (17 July 1999 - present) (separated)
André Weinfeld (5 July 1980 - 1990) (divorced)
Patrick Curtis (14 February 1967 - 1972) (divorced)
James Welch (8 May 1959 - 1964) (divorced) 2 children

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Trivia
Graduated La Jolla High School, La Jolla, California. [1957]

Miss Fairest of the Fair, San Diego, Ca. [1957]

Mother of Tahnee Welch.

Born at 2:04pm-CDT

Chosen by Empire magazine as one of the 100 Sexiest Stars in film history (#18). [1995]

Her father is Bolivian.

Turned down the lead in Barbarella (1968) - which eventually went to Jane Fonda.

Husband Richard Palmer is a restaurateur.

She was fired from Cannery Row (1982) and replaced by Debra Winger. She then sued MGM and won a $10 million judgement.

Among her many beauty contest titles were "Miss Photogenic", "Miss Contour" and "Miss Maid of California" - all won while she was in her teens.

30 August 2003 - Broke her wrist in a Los Angeles car crash.

Measurements: 37C-22 1/2-35 1/2 (measured in 1967), 37-23 1/2-35 1/2 (from 1980 fitting), 37D-26-36 (@ age 43 in 1985), (Source: Celebrity Sleuth magazine)

Mentioned in the theme song of the 1980s TV hit "The Fall Guy" (1981).

Had a notorious backstage feud with the indomitable Mae West on the set of Myra Breckinridge (1970).

Auditioned for the role of Mary Ann in "Gilligan's Island" (1964).

Mother of Damon Welch.

Was a former cocktail waitress.

Has a home on the private island of Mustique

Dated producer Robert Evans with whom she attended Super Bowl (X) at Miami's Orange Bowl in 1976

Her son, Damon, married the daughter of England and Yorkshire cricket legend Freddie Trueman.

One of the bombshells shown in The Shawshank Redemption (1994). (The other two were Rita Hayworth and Marilyn Monroe.)

In 1970, she accepted the Oscar for "Best Actress in a Supporting Role" on behalf of Goldie Hawn, who wasn't present at the awards ceremony

Second husband, producer Patrick Curtis reportedly played the baby of Olivia de Havilland in Gone with the Wind (1939).

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Personal quotes
"Once you get rid of the idea that you must please other people before you please yourself, and you begin to follow your own instincts - only then can you be successful. You become more satisfied, and when you are, other people will tend to be satisfied by what you do."

"Being a sex symbol was rather like being a convict."

"I couldn't stand that my husband was being unfaithful. I am Raquel Welch - understand?" - in 1973

"The mind is an erogenous zone."

"Americans have always had sex symbols. It'a time-honored tradition and I'm flattered to have been one. But it's hard to have a long, fruitful career once you've been stereotyped that way. That's why I'm proud to say I've endured."

[about Mae West] "I do think she was a spectacular talent. There's no question she was a comedic genius, but I did, in person, actually feel like she was some kind of a dock worker in drag."

Miami as in Perfect

July 23rd, 2006, 06:08 PM

. . . and she is getting a unit at Met 3? Now, back on topic. Any updates?

Dale

July 24th, 2006, 12:30 AM

. . . and she is getting a unit at Met 3? Now, back on topic. Any updates?

Yeah, is it topped out yet ?

dave8721

July 27th, 2006, 10:23 PM

Machines playing in the dirt:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/dave8721/1153871966879027.jpg

rider_of_rohan

August 2nd, 2006, 06:07 AM

glad to see that.

Dale

August 13th, 2006, 04:39 AM

NewAtlantisMiami on SSP says the site is 'just a big cleared lot', implying no real signs of any construction. Is this thing going to happen ?

ChuckScraperMiami#1

August 13th, 2006, 05:10 PM

NewAtlantisMiami on SSP says the site is 'just a big cleared lot', implying no real signs of any construction. Is this thing going to happen ?

Dale :wave: , my friend :righton: , I'm going by there tomorrow, Monday afternoon, after work, to have a nice private chat with my special sales lady, I will get back with your answer tomorrow night, Monday , and tell ya all that's going on and updates on MET 2 office tower, and MET Square, what's happening with ALL :okay: !!!

P.S. had to re-edited this,
I'll assured you :gaah:
IF MET 3 Goes down, I, Captain Chuck will go down with His Ship Named " MET 3 ", and will retire here as a S.S.C. Member :cheer: :fiddle: :angel1:

tallyjuice

August 13th, 2006, 08:00 PM

good man

rider_of_rohan

August 14th, 2006, 10:17 PM

CHUCK!!! YOU CAN NOT RETIRE!!! Hope this project gets off the ground someday.

ChuckScraperMiami#1

August 15th, 2006, 01:41 AM

CHUCK!!! YOU CAN NOT RETIRE!!! Hope this project gets off the ground someday.
Rider of ROHAN :bowtie: , my friend, This Tower is my " Pride and Joy :applause: ", I get on the Herald.com Four Seasons Tower Webcam everyday, just to see this property get started. Its my Dream of 2012 :cool: , that I have seen this tower up and over the Central Business District as the Tallest and Only tallest tower in the year 2012 thru 2016 :nocrook: , when an unnamed tower not planned yet beats it in the year 2017, Its all in my dream, lol :righton: .

But, This afternoon after 3 pm :runaway: , we Had a really bad thunderstorm :bash: in Downtown Miami, and I could,nt make it to my special sales lady at the Met trailer sales office. :ohno:

Dale

August 15th, 2006, 02:42 AM

Understandable, Chuck. We'll be sitting on the edge of our chairs until you talk to the sales lady !

Dale

August 16th, 2006, 04:18 AM

Chuck ?

ChuckScraperMiami#1

August 16th, 2006, 12:33 PM

Chuck ?

YES DALE :) , I'm here, I just have'nt been able to make it there as of Yet, But Don't worry , be happy , I'll see her either today or tomorrow, I know everyone's worried about this, and I will get every detail from my special sales lady, smiles. :cheers:

dude2006

August 16th, 2006, 03:17 PM

NewAtlantisMiami on SSP says the site is 'just a big cleared lot', implying no real signs of any construction. Is this thing going to happen ?

i was wondering about that myself, from my window I can see the site and for the last week or so it's been filled with parked cars, so obviously no construction activitity

miami1

August 16th, 2006, 04:23 PM

Work begins on Met 2 offices

By Marilyn Bowden
Groundwork is under way at Met 2, the office component of the Metropolitan Miami project downtown, with the start of vertical construction probable in six months.
"We have the site permit, which allows us to do foundation work up to the level of the top of the piles," said leasing representative Jack Lowell, vice chairman of Flagler Development Corp., formerly Codina Realty Group.
Site and foundation work, which requires another permit and would cover development of the ground floor, will be finished in about six months, he said, when developer MDM Group USA expects to have the full building permit in place.
"We are building regardless of whether we have a tenant signed or not," Mr. Lowell said. He said he expects the Met to field one of several large financial tenants looking for space.
The 47-story tower at 200 SE Third St. will house about 750,000 rentable square feet of office space, Mr. Lowell said, as well as a garage and a 376-room Marriott Marquis Hotel.
Completion is expected in early 2009.
The Met's major competitors are proposed office buildings at 1450 and 600 Brickell Ave., just across the Brickell Bridge. The 35-story, 585,055-square-foot 1450 Brickell, a project of Rilea Group, could make it to the market first, said leasing representative John Marshall, because it is a smaller building. Construction is expected to start there when a major tenant is signed.
A major use special permit has been granted to the Foram Group for a mixed-use project at 600 Brickell Ave., the first phase of which would be a 36-story tower containing 490,126 square feet of office space. The permit requires a construction start within two years. The second phase, slated for a 2011 start, would add another 463,483 square feet of offices.

Bobdreamz

August 16th, 2006, 04:47 PM

^ great news!...finally a new office tower int eh CBD!!!

Dale

August 16th, 2006, 04:59 PM

^ This is getting interesting. I wonder if MDM is still haggling with their GC over Met 3 ?

Bobdreamz

August 16th, 2006, 05:08 PM

^ great news!...finally a new office tower in the CBD!!!

Paul305

August 16th, 2006, 06:10 PM

Woot! I wish the Herald's webcams were working. They barely ever work nowadays...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/dave8721/met23.jpg

kevinkagy

August 16th, 2006, 09:50 PM

Wow that's great news for Met2!! But I wonder, what does that mean for Met3, are they stalling on Met3 again?

BornInTheGrove

August 16th, 2006, 11:45 PM

i can't help but keep thinking that met 3 won't start until met 2 is well underway...

ChuckScraperMiami#1

August 17th, 2006, 12:12 AM

:cheers: i can't help but keep thinking that met 3 won't start until met 2 is well underway...
Born in the Grove :) , its true, MET 2 has started, and MET 3 site will be a parking lot for MET 1 employees until almost completed, according to the other sales ladied there, My special sales lady was not there, But they are stalling on MET 3 for now :bash: , but the ladies said sales are still on for MET 3, but stalled on the project for now, They expect a fall start now, I'm so sad by this news,
But, look on the Great Side, Another Office Tower is finally started in the CBD !!! :cheers:

P.S. everyone :) , My dream of 2012, still stands, MET 3 will still be there, Even with the Delay !!!, just a little behind in completing it by the end of 2011, according to some of the sales ladies. :cheers:

Dale

August 17th, 2006, 01:09 AM

MDM is hapless. *throws up hands* Why should we believe they'll start in the Fall when they said they'd start last October then December then February then April then ... ?

Thanks, though, Chuck.

Rx727sfl2002

August 17th, 2006, 01:32 AM

YOU GUYS DO THE MATH FOR FLOOR HEIGHT

- Atop the building's multi-story parking garage will be a landscaped deck with swimming pool, poolside lounge, and meditation garden.
- The building will have marble windowsills throughout.
- The building's air conditioning system is expected to be highly energy efficient.
- The building will have a clean white facade and light green tinted windows and light green colored cap.
- The building's ground level will contain a 45,000 square foot grocery store to be occupied by Whole Foods.
- The building will have three different unit ceiling heights: 19.33 feet lofts, 11.33 feet in penthouses, and 9.33 feet in typical units.
- The building's lobby will have an approximately 20 feet high ceiling and floor-to-ceiling windows.

Dale

August 17th, 2006, 01:36 AM

ChuckScraperMiami#1

August 17th, 2006, 01:38 AM

MDM is hapless. *throws up hands* Why should we believe they'll start in the Fall when they said they'd start last October then December then February then April then ... ?

Thanks, though, Chuck.

True DALE :hi: , Lets throw some Hands :gaah: up in the AIR, :gaah: :gaah: lol.

Hurricane WILMA :bash: has driven back many projects and killed some,
BUT MET 3, will Prevail !!!, Fall, Winter , Maybe Spring, 2007 !!! :gaah:
believe in me, DALE :cheer: , it will be completed by 2012 :righton: , you can bet on it, :cheers:

MAH45462

August 17th, 2006, 02:25 AM

Here's the math: almost one year late and counting.

And for that matter, why should be believe they can pull off Met 2 ? As we've seen, it's easy to convey the perception that something is under construction.

Sorry, guys. Just blowing off a little steam here.

http://miamitodaynews.com/news/060817/story1.shtml

Met3 is happening. Don't worry guys, I know it's easy to be pessimistic when things get delayed and with a lot of other canceled projects.

dach2k5

August 17th, 2006, 02:46 PM

I had a long conversation w/ a big mortgage broker last night. He's done financing for all the big developers. Things are starting to look bad right now... really bad. Sales across the board are pretty much totally stalled out now. A lot of loans are turning out to be bad loans and are requiring write downs. Banks are very nervous.

I don't know much about Met3 but if they have the sales in place then they are losing profit from rising costs, and if they don't they probably aren't going to get them.

Dale

August 17th, 2006, 03:29 PM

http://miamitodaynews.com/news/060817/story1.shtml

Met3 is happening. Don't worry guys, I know it's easy to be pessimistic when things get delayed and with a lot of other canceled projects.

Thanks for the encouragement, but is this wishful thinking on your part ? Or do you know something I don't about MDM and Met 3 ?

trickykid

August 17th, 2006, 07:44 PM

Wasn't this always supposed to be a phased project? Its a pretty large venture for any developer to do three pretty big ass buildings so close to eachother. More than hoping that Met 3 gets built, i just hope it gets built at the proposed 866 feet. I guess well just have to wait and see a little longer....

rider_of_rohan

August 17th, 2006, 11:27 PM

:cheers:
Born in the Grove :) , its true, MET 2 has started, and MET 3 site will be a parking lot for MET 1 employees until almost completed, according to the other sales ladied there, My special sales lady was not there, But they are stalling on MET 3 for now :bash: , but the ladies said sales are still on for MET 3, but stalled on the project for now, They expect a fall start now, I'm so sad by this news,
But, look on the Great Side, Another Office Tower is finally started in the CBD !!! :cheers:

P.S. everyone :) , My dream of 2012, still stands, MET 3 will still be there, Even with the Delay !!!, just a little behind in completing it by the end of 2011, according to some of the sales ladies. :cheers:

Chuck did she say why they are stalling? Hell they have been stalling on this damn project for ages now. Met 2 is nice but lets be honest, who would rather have a 617 footer over a 866 footer? Not me. Were going to come out of this boom with no new tallest. That is a let down.

kevinkagy

August 17th, 2006, 11:29 PM

-sigh- I'm so tired of hearing Met3 getting delayed...! It really just has been way too long, with or without the hurricanes, Met3 should have gone up months ago, and I mean months ago. But then again this doesn't really surprise me. Well atleast we'll get Met2...

rider_of_rohan

August 17th, 2006, 11:30 PM

rider_of_rohan

August 17th, 2006, 11:35 PM

BHK27

August 17th, 2006, 11:45 PM

How dissapointing. It should of being well underway by now.

spellbound

August 18th, 2006, 01:38 AM

Ugh man without some real height Miami will have a second rate skyline full of residential. I dont see Met 2 going up either. They f*cked up with Met3 now they are switching gears and hoping Met2 can be a go and then make a market for Met3. They will end up losing Whole Foods and then wont get a loan, they messed up. I hope they sell the site to someone so they can build a 900 footer.

Wow...I was away for a few days and I'm so disappointed to see this. I was under the assumption that construction had begun. Obviously, that's not the case.

I agree with you Rider. Miami is getting volume but not real height from this boom, and if Met3 tanks it's gonna be a long wait.

It's not as if other cities are sitting static, either. There's genuine supertalls going up in many places (including, for crissakes, Nashville).

I'll still hold out for a sliver of hope on Met3, but if they downsize it (on one of the few parcels where Miami CAN go really tall) I'll absolutely vomit.

Damn...this project has just become a real downer.

MIAballinboi

August 18th, 2006, 02:43 AM

downsizing is worst worst case scenario,

even if they dont build it and they sell it,
we know for sure in the next boom, a good developer is gonna put a 900+ footer,

rider_of_rohan

August 18th, 2006, 03:08 AM

They did say they had started Spell. I imagine they had plans on doing so as well,but somewhere it all fell through and without Chuck stoping by it would not be known here. You know why its not known here..it wasnt reported. Why is that?

Dale

August 18th, 2006, 03:51 AM

As far back as March, in a Pittsburgh Post Gazette article about how mixed-use projects which include a Whole Foods are virtually guaranteed to suceed, even back then Met 3 was said to be 'one-third sold'.

I don't get it.

rider_of_rohan

August 18th, 2006, 04:03 AM

Me either. Something is going on that were not seeing here. Maybe they want to play hte market so to speak. They got a condo up and going, now the office market is warming up so they want to make a go at that. I sure would love to see this project make it. Its got some good buildings and Met square would be cool for downtown.

BornInTheGrove

August 18th, 2006, 04:19 AM

Bare with me on this one:

Maybe.... just maybe, MDM, the FAA and the city of Miami are negotiating to make Met 3 Miami's first 1000 footer... eh!?! eh!?!

Dale

August 18th, 2006, 05:34 AM

Bare with me on this one:

Maybe.... just maybe, MDM, the FAA and the city of Miami are negotiating to make Met 3 Miami's first 1000 footer... eh!?! eh!?!

I can't fault your spirit. :)

Rx727sfl2002

August 18th, 2006, 06:34 AM

considering that the residential sales hasnt moved past 30 percent
i know for sure they are wanting to scrap the project and build and office tower there in its place.

umiami305

August 18th, 2006, 06:57 AM

Im so fed up and tired of waiting, I dont care what type of building goes there now, as long as its the same height or higher then MET 3 and has a retail component to the base of the tower Ill be ok.

BornInTheGrove

August 18th, 2006, 07:44 AM

considering that the residential sales hasnt moved past 30 percent
i know for sure they are wanting to scrap the project and build [an] office tower there in its place.
I would have no problem whatsoever if they scraped the current design, redesigned the building to maintain the Whole Foods at the base, redsigned the building to have 40% of the units the original design had, and thus ultimately redsigning the whole building to be a massive mixed used office building at least 300 feet taller than Met 2. I wouldn't even care if they said the building wouldn't be completed until 2015. As long as it gets done and done right.

spellbound

August 18th, 2006, 10:13 AM

downsizing is worst worst case scenario,

even if they dont build it and they sell it,
we know for sure in the next boom, a good developer is gonna put a 900+ footer,

That's what I'm hoping for, MIAballinboi.

My fear is that these "Met" people downsize 3 and get the OK to put up a much smaller building. They've already managed to put up one puny condo on a prime piece of that property. Met 1 is ridiculously small on that footprint.

Chicago would hold that kind of real-estate for a genuine tower. So would New York.

And so should Miami. But they don't.

Rx727sfl2002

August 18th, 2006, 05:18 PM

building it smaller then what they allready got approved for they would loose money just in building it...

they have to either sell the land and the other person will want to build taller to make a better profit or they build something that makes sense like office or mixed use or they build what they allready got and hope they sell out the residential units.

either way i think what makes the most sense the way the market is turning is to redesign it to mixed use office condos that way they wont have people walking out on the signed contracts for the sale and by signing one big tenant they get financing

Dale

August 18th, 2006, 05:45 PM

Doesn't this speak to a definciency in MDM if they have not been able to move significantly beyond the 30% they'd acheived in early '06 ? And if it does, what is the basis for any confidence that they can get Met 2 done, let alone an even larger building in place of Met 3 ?

It seems to me that even Met 1 has been a bit of a struggle for them.

Where Miami is concerned, it is disheartening to understand that in this historic boom, that the tallest building it might get out of it is ... 679 ft. :(

brickell

August 18th, 2006, 10:30 PM

don't forget about 4 seasons. Isn't that technically still a part of this "boom"?

rider_of_rohan

August 18th, 2006, 10:48 PM

Born your a dreamer, but I like your dream :D.

The Mad Hatter!!

August 19th, 2006, 01:20 AM

Consider met3 unlikely, I have a feeling its permit will expire before any construction happens on site.

Sunstorm

August 22nd, 2006, 07:43 PM

All of this talk is very depressing for me because I really wanted this building to rise. It's not a good sign at all that real construction work hasn't begun by now. Another bad sign is that Chuck has been unusually silent on this thread lately. Where are you Chuck?!! Please tell us you spoke to the nice saleslady and that construction is supposed to start tomorrow!! :scouserd:

Dale

August 22nd, 2006, 08:20 PM

rider_of_rohan

August 23rd, 2006, 01:57 AM

I have come to believe that Met 3 is being built downward. It will 74 floors underground to protect it from hurricanes and plane strikes. It will have a pool on the ground level and an elevator to the Whole Foods, which ironically wont be on the ground floor but the will be in the first basement. This is why we dont see any activity, its all underground.

Dale

August 23rd, 2006, 02:40 AM

Why didn't I think of that ?

And in this case, when they reach 74 floors down will they have a 'bottoming off' ceremony ?

BornInTheGrove

August 23rd, 2006, 03:06 AM

damn FAA.. they gotta mess with the 'height' of our buildings even underground

rider_of_rohan

August 23rd, 2006, 04:27 AM

damn FAA.. they gotta mess with the 'height' of our buildings even underground

This might be true, as the FAA wants to build a flight path through the sewer system of downtown. They say it will hook up to the tunnel that goes to the port and then there will be a direct link between the two ports.

Colonel Cadillac

September 14th, 2006, 04:03 PM

Hey its been weeks since anyone chimed in, but I read elsewhere that pile driving has begun on this site. Any jaded Miami people want to keep hopes alive?

arch photographer

September 14th, 2006, 04:30 PM

Hope springs eternal. I'm still hoping that as the market picks up steam again in 12 months or whenever, that Park Lane Tower will come back online.

Dale

September 22nd, 2006, 04:48 AM

Carrying the Shaq gets Met 3 built discussion over here from SSP.

Dale

September 22nd, 2006, 05:12 AM

There was a blurb in the NY Post today about it, along with a picture of Met 3.

rider_of_rohan

September 25th, 2006, 04:36 AM

From the Whole foods web page:
Miami
Whole Foods Market
2nd Ave & 2nd Street
Miami, FL
44,871 sq. ft.
Opening date to be announced

Note the opening date. At least they still have it listed as under development. It is ironically the smallest store under development in the state of Florida.

Dale

September 25th, 2006, 04:47 AM

NewAtlantis on SSP said he went to the sales center yesterday and was told that "Met 2 and Met 3 are ready to roll".

rider_of_rohan

September 25th, 2006, 04:51 AM

Shaquille O'Neal Launches Real Estate Group
First Project is Metropolitan Miami (The Met)

Lisa Petrillo
Reporting

(CBS4 News) MIAMI Miami Heat star Shaquille O’Neal has a brand new business venture and this one has nothing to do with basketball or becoming a police officer. It’s a real estate plan designed to give part of downtown Miami a makeover.

In the shadow of the Triple-A, known as ‘the house that Shaq built’, Shaq has now become part of a billion-dollar real-estate deal focused on urban renewal in downtown Miami.

Tuesday morning, the star center for the Miami Heat announced the formation of “The O’Neal Group”, a real estate and development company that will seek to engage in partnerships and joint ventures to acquire, develop and promote select projects across the U.S.

The first project for The O’Neal Group is MDM Development’s Metropolitan Miami project. (The Met), a billion-dollar project which includes more than 1,100 residential units, among them the 866-foot Met 3, the tallest residential tower south of New York, an office tower, luxury hotel, entertainment complex, and the area's first Whole Foods store. O'Neal plans to also bring a 24-Hour Fitness/Shaq Ultra Sport fitness facility to the project.

There are already two such fitness clubs in South Florida - in Pembroke Pines and Coconut Grove - and a third is to open in Texas by the end of this year.

The Miami Heat center said creating The O'Neal Group formalizes his interest in real estate. O'Neal described his portfolio as already reaching more than $50 million in residential and commercial property. Areas of interest for the new company include his native state, New Jersey and select markets in the northeast, along with South Florida, Los Angeles, and Louisiana.

"Our primary focus is on landmark locations and real estate offerings that positively impact the way people live. Mixed-use developments with integrated living and `intelligent' designs -- such as The Met - are the prototypical examples of what we hope to accomplish," said Christopher Handy, O'Neal Group executive vice president.

O'Neal has also agreed to buy a sky loft at the Met 3 component of the project, but said he won't live there. Instead, he is to maintain it for occasional use.

"We've scoured the country to find an appropriate venue through which we could launch the O'Neal Group," says O'Neal, "and ultimately we decided that the best place to start was in our own backyard with Metropolitan Miami. This is the largest residential development project in downtown Miami proper, and it sits on the site where the historical Royal Palm Hotel used to be, the property that first launched downtown Miami more than 100 years ago. I am excited about our involvement with The Met and proud to be part of the area's comeback."

Although financial terms were not disclosed, The O'Neal Group has a financial stake in The Met and will be providing support for the project, the first of many such relationships the company expects to secure. The O'Neal Group will assist with the sales and marketing of the development, which includes engagement of the O'Neal Group as part of The Met's sales team.

"The Met is arguably downtown Miami's showpiece development," adds Luis Pulenta, principal of MDM Development. "The Met is literally transforming the area. Shaquille and The O'Neal Group's involvement is a testament, not only to The Met, but Miami's standing as one of the nation's most compelling real estate markets. We are delighted to have structured what is clearly a win/win for all - for the Met, for The O'Neal Group, and for the City of Miami."

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_262124538.html

Another interesting link I found about Met http://www.metropolitanmiami.com/press/images/Summer2006_Met3.pdf#search=%22whole%20foods%20store%20development%20miami%22

Dale

September 25th, 2006, 05:15 AM

It's all over the news. It was in the NY Post with a pic of Met 3 along with the notation, "tallest residential building south of NYC".

rider_of_rohan

September 25th, 2006, 05:53 AM

It's all over the news. It was in the NY Post with a pic of Met 3 along with the notation, "tallest residential building south of NYC".

The tallest player works for the tallest building :)

Dale

September 25th, 2006, 05:56 AM

Shaq is dominating - getting Miami its first NBA championship and getting its new tallest built.

BornInTheGrove

September 25th, 2006, 08:14 AM

deja vu?

MIAballinboi

September 26th, 2006, 01:27 AM

yes, if shaqs behind it, its as good as built, hopefully... the 2nd house shaq built..

ChuckScraperMiami#1

September 26th, 2006, 03:19 AM

Rider of ROHAN :rock: , DALE :wave: , my friends :grouphug: , THANKS for this Very Important UPDATE :cheers:
My special Sales lady :okay: at the Sales center back a couple of months ago, Never did Let me down, She told me it will be in My Dreams of 2012, MET 3 will be completed with the Whole Foods Market open by then in my dreames, WOW !!! :drunk: :applause: :cheers1:

You Men are Great :righton: ,

I LOVE THIS PLACE !!!
:dance:
Go Cranes !!! :banana: :cheer: :pepper:

Dale

September 26th, 2006, 06:29 AM

Chuck -

Don't thank us. Thank Shaq ! :cheers:

JR79

October 19th, 2006, 09:54 PM

Any updates on whether Met III is "rolling" yet?

ChuckScraperMiami#1

October 26th, 2006, 03:16 AM

Any updates on whether Met III is "rolling" yet?

LOL, JR:rock: , my friend:hi: , Its Rolling :| the MET 1 construction Employees Cars into a parking lot.:toilet:

Rx727sfl2002

October 28th, 2006, 02:48 PM

House not home: Foreigners buy up American real estate

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0715/p01s03-ussc.html

skyscraperhighrise

October 29th, 2006, 03:46 AM

Dale

November 16th, 2006, 02:38 AM

Hey, Chuck! Isn't it time you paid our nice saleslady a visit ? ;)

ChuckScraperMiami#1

November 16th, 2006, 02:53 AM

Hey, Chuck! Isn't it time you paid our nice saleslady a visit ? ;)

Yes DALE:) , my friend:banana: , The New Sales Center on the MET SQUARE Site is Now Open:lol: ,

I will now have a little chit-chat with my special MET 3:banana: sales Lady and find out the Latest,
I hope for the Best news YET !!!:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
P.S. DALE ,

She's gotta let me know everything, I'll see her friday after work.

900Biscayneguy

November 16th, 2006, 03:56 AM

Great Chuck,

Can't wait to hear the latest news!!!:) :banana: :nuts:

Dale

November 18th, 2006, 10:58 PM

Well ? :)

Dale

November 22nd, 2006, 08:39 PM

Chuck ?

spellbound

November 24th, 2006, 09:41 AM

Abducted by the "nice saleslady," perhaps??

great184

November 25th, 2006, 06:32 AM

silence usually means bad news

Dale

November 25th, 2006, 07:00 AM

Not really.

rider_of_rohan

November 26th, 2006, 10:25 PM

I think Chuck is avoiding us

umiami305

November 30th, 2006, 05:10 AM

Metropolitan Miami has updated there website somewhat. Their still lacking the updated rendering for Met 2 but they have added some video footage of Shaq walking the site.

http://www.metropolitanmiami.com/home.html

ChuckScraperMiami#1

December 1st, 2006, 12:10 AM

^^ [QUOTE=rider_of_rohan;10632751]I think Chuck is avoiding us !!!
^^
Rider of ROHAN:) , My friend:banana: , I'm ALIVE !!! and just working some extra hours lately looking at all the Construction around Miami-Dade county.
I did not get a chance to see my Special Sales Lady last week, But will try again tomorrow after work, I Hope !!!:ohno:

But, My friends:banana: , I'm never avoiding my Best Family here on the Internet !!!:cheers:

spellbound

December 1st, 2006, 12:50 AM

Glad to see you back, Chuck.

When you go to see the "Special Sales Lady" I hope you'll take a shovel and tell HER to start digging!:)

The pyramids were built quicker than Met3. I'm really starting to wonder again if it will ever happen...despite so many here saying otherwise.

DShoost88

December 1st, 2006, 04:28 AM

spellbound

December 2nd, 2006, 02:05 AM

hahaha, LMAO. What's sad, though, is that Spellbound's right. speed it up.

Both Met2 and 3 are SO delayed that I think questioning whether or not they're going to happen has to be put on the table, unfortunately.

If the financing and sales for Met3 were going well, you'd have to think that the building would have started to rise a long time ago. It hasn't happened.

With Met2, it's a little sobering to go to the Met website and see that there's no longer even a link to the project or any renderings....literally months after it was reconfigured as an office project.

Obviously, I'd love to be wrong and see both these structures rise (particularly since Met1 is such a waste of prime space) but it's hard not to grow a little skeptical at this point. There's a reason neither project is happening yet.

Meepy

December 2nd, 2006, 03:00 AM

Both Met2 and 3 are SO delayed that I think questioning whether or not they're going to happen has to be put on the table, unfortunately.

If the financing and sales for Met3 were going well, you'd have to think that the building would have started to rise a long time ago. It hasn't happened.

With Met2, it's a little sobering to go to the Met website and see that there's no longer even a link to the project or any renderings....literally months after it was reconfigured as an office project.

Obviously, I'd love to be wrong and see both these structures rise (particularly since Met1 is such a waste of prime space) but it's hard not to grow a little skeptical at this point. There's a reason neither project is happening yet.

I make meep sad :cry:

arch photographer

December 2nd, 2006, 05:36 AM

WHAT ABOUT SHAQ??!!

Dale

December 2nd, 2006, 05:37 AM

He's come off the bench to get the project moving.

dave8721

December 2nd, 2006, 07:00 AM

WHAT ABOUT SHAQ??!!

He's had a lot of time on his hands lately...

Dale

December 3rd, 2006, 06:39 AM

Actually, Pat Riley has vowed not to play Shaq until Met 3 breaks ground.

spellbound

December 3rd, 2006, 11:31 AM

Actually, Pat Riley has vowed not to play Shaq until Met 3 breaks ground.

I thought Shaq was retiring before his 75th birthday...

spellbound

December 3rd, 2006, 11:35 AM

I make meep sad :cry:

Cheer up, Meep :cheers:

I predict that by the year 2047 there WILL be a building on the Met3 site.

Or an electronics store.

BornInTheGrove

December 3rd, 2006, 09:05 PM

lmao @ electronics store

Meepy

December 4th, 2006, 03:57 AM

This thread is depressing, Met 1 is about done. Maybe they will be so impressed by Met 1's sales and stuff that they'll decide to build Met 3.

BornInTheGrove

December 4th, 2006, 08:14 AM

maybe they are waiting for the new tenants of Met1 to move in first, then they would start building Mets' 2 & 3..?..

rider_of_rohan

December 5th, 2006, 04:31 AM

Well as much as everyone hates Met 1 it has one thing going for it. It will get done. They should have built Met 3 there and first.

Paul305

December 5th, 2006, 07:27 AM

spellbound

December 5th, 2006, 07:34 AM

I wonder how much longer it will be before Dupont Tower starts construction. It will pretty much block out Met 1 from all angles although, to be perfectly honest, Met 1 has grown on me since it started construction. The building's facade isn't all glass but it isn't ugly either. It will also have some sort of glass ornament at its peak which should draw attention towards the Wachovia building. Also, its parking garage isn't visible from the water. This is more than can be said about Epic which will have a huge, square pedestal adjacent to the waterfront.

I don't think Met1 is anything horrific architecturally, Paul, but what bugs me is how small it is for that site. You'd like to think that it was one of the prime locations for something truly spectacular and tall...but that opportunity is gone now.

Seems like forever since I heard any updates on Dupont Tower (or may have simply missed it here). Is it in the "definite" category or among the many "maybe/maybe not" ones?

rider_of_rohan

December 5th, 2006, 06:24 PM

Im with you Spell, its height is the only problem I have with it. But, once Epic is built it wont be seen. It would have been a great place for a really tall building, but it didnt happen. It will look cool in my opinion driving through there though surrounded by 40+ story buildings on all sides. Lets hope that Met 3 gets built.

BornInTheGrove

December 6th, 2006, 03:25 AM

I passed by downtown today, and noticed there was some type of billboard on the Met Square site, with what looked to me like a new rendering. Can anyone verify this?

rider_of_rohan

December 6th, 2006, 04:52 AM

Great a new rendering. Change the pictures every few months to keep it fresh eh, but then not build it.

BornInTheGrove

December 6th, 2006, 05:57 AM

i should clarify, it was a new rendering for Met Square

Colonel Cadillac

December 13th, 2006, 05:20 AM

No news here. Same shit different day.

umiami305

December 13th, 2006, 08:42 AM

:carrot: METROPOLITAN MIAMI WEBSITE HAS BEEN UPDATED WITH ALL THE NEW RENDERINGs OF MET 2 AND MET SQUARE!!!

http://www.metropolitanmiami.com

Bobdreamz

December 13th, 2006, 11:38 AM

^ thanks for the link & apparently MET 3 has been further reduced to 817 feet as well.

rider_of_rohan

December 13th, 2006, 04:38 PM

^ thanks for the link & apparently MET 3 has been further reduced to 817 feet as well.

Does it matter Bob. I mean I wont believe its going to be built until it starts rising. On the other hand, I would take 817 feet over nothing.

Rx727sfl2002

December 13th, 2006, 07:01 PM

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/127/met1qs9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6070/metsquareja1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3112/met2zh0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

OLD DESIGN BELOW

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2008/met2oldgu8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

900Biscayneguy

December 13th, 2006, 07:10 PM

I like the new design of Met square. It looks more urban than the older design. The old design looked rather suburban imo.

mileageman

December 13th, 2006, 07:24 PM

Interesting, the website says that they have partnered with MetLife Insurance to build Met2.
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3112/met2zh0.jpg

BornInTheGrove

December 13th, 2006, 08:19 PM

Does this mean that Met 2 will have a giant sign saying MetLife on it, like the one in New York?

Meepy

December 13th, 2006, 09:32 PM

Does this mean that Met 2 will have a giant sign saying MetLife on it, like the one in New York?

The odd part is that MET 3 looks very alike to the Met Life tower in Newyork.

umiami305

December 13th, 2006, 09:34 PM

Does this mean that Met 2 will have a giant sign saying MetLife on it, like the one in New York?

I would like to see some of these companies such as MetLife with their signature on our buildings. I wish we could get companies like NCL, Royal Caribbean, Carnival, BK, etc. to move their headquarters downtown.

Since the MDM group is trying to market Met Square as a tiny version of Times Square, it would be neat to see to see some large HD TV screens on the facade of Met Square with some other lighting and signage to simulate the ambiance of TimesSquare, however; even with that it could never come close to the feeling you get standing in the middle Times Square. It would be nice though.:)

Rx727sfl2002

December 13th, 2006, 09:50 PM

insurance companies are the ones that do the lending on most of these taller towers people would think its banks but infact its quite the opposite...

that is why there is bank financing and then there is private lenders.

spellbound

December 14th, 2006, 02:01 AM

Since the MDM group is trying to market Met Square as a tiny version of Times Square, it would be neat to see to see some large HD TV screens on the facade of Met Square with some other lighting and signage to simulate the ambiance of TimesSquare, however; even with that it could never come close to the feeling you get standing in the middle Times Square. It would be nice though.:)

There's no replicating Times Square (or anything even close to it), but agreed that the right kind of lighting and signage can work wonders and add vitality. That's as good a spot as any to try it in Miami.

Paul305

December 21st, 2006, 07:59 AM

I went downtown today and Met 2 is definately under construction. Right now they are still pile driving so it could be months before the tower actually goes vertical but it's still good news nonetheless.

JR79

December 27th, 2006, 05:31 PM

With the status of Met3 currently on "life-support", it makes sense that MDM would bring in a life insurance company to provide some financial relief once the terminally ill Met3 project inevitably succumbs to the contagious and deadly _______ virus (fill in the blank) - suggestions???

BornInTheGrove

December 27th, 2006, 08:14 PM

Sarnoff Virus?

Rx727sfl2002

January 17th, 2007, 09:05 PM

MET III = 828FT LAST CONFIRMED HEIGHT FROM CURRENT PLANS

EXPECT ACTIVITY ON THE SITE THIS SUMMER

havok100

January 17th, 2007, 09:13 PM

I've heard rumors Met III might become commercial office space instead of residential.

Meepy

January 17th, 2007, 09:50 PM

I've heard rumors Met III might become commercial office space instead of residential.

May I ask were you heard/saw these "rumors" ?

Rx727sfl2002

January 18th, 2007, 01:07 AM

that project will perhaps change but no news on that yet

rider_of_rohan

January 18th, 2007, 05:59 AM

It would be nice if they did something with it, or at least made an announcement.

coruna

January 18th, 2007, 07:26 AM

I would like to hear an update from the Metropolitan Miami company on the current status of Met 3, I think it's going to start going up soon, but they have not released any info since late November, when they revealed the new design.

Paul305

January 18th, 2007, 02:49 PM

Well, at least Met 2 is coming along. Here's a pic from the Wachovia Center which shows that the retaining wall adjacent to SE 2nd Ave is completed.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/paulmoor/Met2WebCam1-17-07.jpg?t=1169127947
picture taken 1-17-07

havok100

January 19th, 2007, 04:29 PM

May I ask were you heard/saw these "rumors" ?

Unfortunately I cannot reveal my sources. Now I said rumor so it is not definite.

Dale

January 19th, 2007, 04:36 PM

Is this a sign that MDM is becoming desparate ? And would changing to commercial alter the height ?

dave8721

January 19th, 2007, 07:58 PM

Look who suddenly start advertising again today:

From today's Herald Home Guide:
http://img.travidia.com/ss-zoom/1557442

http://img.travidia.com/ss-art/485006

http://img.travidia.com/ss-art/485023

http://img.travidia.com/ss-ad/740513

Dale

January 20th, 2007, 02:49 AM

Well, that doesn't seem to suggest changing Met 3 to commercial.

Dale

January 20th, 2007, 02:50 AM

And if MDM can't make this work with Shaq and Whole Foods on board, they're podunks.

Bryan-Sereny

January 20th, 2007, 04:01 AM

Met3 will be a residential tower.
Met2 has changed to commercial office and hotel.

I've heard rumors Met III might become commercial office space instead of residential.

dave8721

January 20th, 2007, 06:05 AM

Funny thing is it says Shaq bought a unit at Met III. How would you like to be the developer returning his deposit if it doesnt get built. He is one large man....

coruna

January 20th, 2007, 08:04 AM

At this point I think there is very little chance that Met 3 won't be built. They have recently redesigned the tower, created a new website, and have began advertising in the Miami Herald again. I think that even know it hasn't started yet, it will very soon and will be built after all. I really hope so, as Met 3 is the only truly great building that will come out of the Met project.

brickell

January 20th, 2007, 08:57 AM

I'm much more interested in MetSquare which hasn't gotten any press at all. Are they waiting till after Met1 is finished?

skyscraperhighrise

January 20th, 2007, 04:36 PM

Rx727sfl2002

January 20th, 2007, 07:38 PM

why must you post the picture again when its on the same page it takes up bandwith on the server... people learn when making a statement just reply dont repost the same image again...

Meepy

January 20th, 2007, 09:30 PM

why must you post the picture again when its on the same page it takes up bandwith on the server... people learn when making a statement just reply dont repost the same image again...

It's because there retarded.

Dale

January 20th, 2007, 09:31 PM

Meepy

January 20th, 2007, 10:28 PM

How have they redesigned Met 3 ? It looks exactly the same to me.

Now they have redesigned Met 2 and Met Square.

Met 3 use to have a mohawk:

http://www.ilvillaggiorealty.com/Images/StarterImages/Met-3.jpg

rider_of_rohan

January 20th, 2007, 10:29 PM

It's because there retarded.

HAHA :lol: ...see very little bandwith taken up, I can even add a dancing banana :banana:

coruna

January 21st, 2007, 09:36 PM

What is the official floor count of the current design of Met 3? I've seen 74 and 76 in previous designs, and emporis.com currently has it listed as 76 floors, but that may have been the old design.

Dale

January 21st, 2007, 09:56 PM

coruna -

I thought you meant it had been redesigned during the latest lull in development. I knew about the mohawk, and thought it was a terrible design.

Meepy

January 21st, 2007, 11:00 PM

What is the official floor count of the current design of Met 3? I've seen 74 and 76 in previous designs, and emporis.com currently has it listed as 76 floors, but that may have been the old design.

It's 74 stories.

Also anyone notice the new VR tour?

http://www.metropolitanmiami.com/videolg.php?movie=3lg

So niceeeeee

Dale

January 21st, 2007, 11:49 PM

The VR tour is sweet. Is it a new feature ?

Meepy

January 22nd, 2007, 12:32 AM

The feature has always been there, but it was an old version with the old Metropolitan Miami renderings. Now this new VR tour shows the new Met 3 and Met 2 renderings. :cheers:

Architek

January 23rd, 2007, 02:57 AM

met2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/enyers/Picture041.jpg

Architek

January 23rd, 2007, 03:00 AM

met1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/enyers/Picture035.jpg

Meepy

January 23rd, 2007, 03:55 AM

Nice update, what are they doing on Met 1?

Bobdreamz

January 24th, 2007, 04:30 AM

nice pics Architek although I'm disappointed with MET 1's height of 440 ft.
It could have been much taller given it's location.

Toucano

January 24th, 2007, 04:33 AM

nice pics Architek although I'm disappointed with MET 1's height of 440 ft.
It could have been much taller given it's location.

Join the Club...I'm all for seeing this building demolished at some point in my lifetime...

Dale

January 24th, 2007, 05:35 AM

Miami, dynamic as it it is, continues to underperform architecturally.

mileageman

January 24th, 2007, 05:47 AM

spellbound

January 24th, 2007, 10:17 AM

Stop complaining about Met 1 and One Miami, when these projects were announced there was no new construction in the CBD for decades and we were thrilled to have anything. Met 1 is really not that bad actually, especially compared to the garish One Miami. It was a good enough design that the architect (Nichols) nearly duplicated the design at 4 Midtown:

I think the biggest problem a lot of people have with Met1 is based more on how puny it is rather than the design.

Safe to say that it's sitting on one of the absolute primo sites in downtown and surely a MUCH taller office or condo tower would have been far preferable. Instead, a building that looks more like a downtown West Palm Beach development will sit there for decades.

It's not an embarrassment like One Miami, but rather the wrong building on such a grand slice of real-estate.

Dale

January 24th, 2007, 02:37 PM

Plus, it's not distinctive enough to redeem One Miami. Miami CBD is bland, bland, bland. Even Wachovia, though an icon, is bland.

MIAballinboi

January 25th, 2007, 12:34 AM

^exactly what spellbound said.

Roark

January 25th, 2007, 03:43 AM

Even Wachovia, though an icon, is bland. nuh, uh.

kevinkagy

January 25th, 2007, 04:25 AM

Plus, it's not distinctive enough to redeem One Miami. Miami CBD is bland, bland, bland. Even Wachovia, though an icon, is bland.

I actually think the Wachovia is the best and most iconic Miami skyscraper we have here, I love it. Some may be tired of it since it's been the tallest in the area for so long but it is not bland at all.

Dale

January 25th, 2007, 05:58 AM

nuh, uh.

Yeah, I expected brickbats on that one. But it can't be helped. It's the effect of Panama City Syndrome. The little burg is kicking Miami's a$$ about now.

spellbound

January 25th, 2007, 09:52 AM

I'm sure the Wachovia wouldn't rank anywhere in most people's list of "great buildings around the world" but I still think it's a very classy, timeless design and easily Miami's most iconic structure.

Understood that Panama City (and countless other places) are putting up dramatically taller structures that far exceed something like Wachovia---along with plenty of "wow" appeal from a purely design standpoint---but with Miami's height restrictions I would only hope for more buildings that are as graceful and able to stand the test of time (which more than a few of the recent condos won't).

(and I STILL prefer calling it the "Southeast" Building...:) )

coruna

January 25th, 2007, 01:29 PM

Dale

January 25th, 2007, 06:32 PM

Oh sure, Wachovia's classy. The problem for Miami CBD is that its pallete consists of a handful of classy, albeit, conservative highrises amidst a clutch of mostly drab highrises. And One Miami and Met 1 do not redress the situation.

The palate does not accord with Miami's image of a scintillating, going/growing Latin megalopolis.

Toucano

January 25th, 2007, 06:35 PM

Dale

January 25th, 2007, 07:04 PM

Yes, certainly there are exceptions.

coruna

January 25th, 2007, 09:36 PM

Do you like the design of Met 3? I think it will be a great addition to the CBD skyline anyways, as it will be the tallest building in that area, and it also brings a bit of color that One Miami and met1 are lacking.

Dale

January 25th, 2007, 10:21 PM

I'm the biggest Met 3 fan in the world, if only because I think it'll be a crying shame if Miami doesn't get a new tallest out of this historic boom.

spellbound

January 25th, 2007, 10:36 PM

Do you like the design of Wachovia better than the Four Seasons? It sure is more famous and iconic due to the fact it has been there for so long, but within 5 years from now, there will be around 5 buildings taller than than it and some more approaching its height. It won't "stand out" in the skyline as much as it has to this point once Met 2 and Met 3 are built.

I do like the Wachovia's design better. I guess mostly because it presents dramatically varied perspectives depending upon the angle it's viewed from and has a design that will never look dated or tacky as time passes. Four Season is fine as well, but I don't find a whole lot really unique about it.

As for it not "standing out" as much in the future, that's a possibility but with the FAA restrictions nothing will ever dwarf it in size...plus it sits in a spot where its prominence looking westward at the skyline shouldn't be blocked or compromised.

With Met2 and (hopefully) Met3...The Met2 design looks terrific on paper. It's not as tall as you'd like to see on that site, but it would make a great addition and certainly nice to see something other than another condo. Met3 is OK---certainly MUCH better than the original design with that tacky "crown"---but I doubt it'll be winning too many design awards. Not that I think it's bad or anything...it isn't at all...just that it's nothing truly unique or iconic, imo.

(when can we demolish One Miami? :cheers: )

spellbound

January 25th, 2007, 10:39 PM

I'm the biggest Met 3 fan in the world, if only because I think it'll be a crying shame if Miami doesn't get a new tallest out of this historic boom.

Absolutely.

At this point, they could stick a giant, revolving chicken on top of the building and I'd still want to see it happen.

(maybe even moreso, now that I think about it...:lol: )

coruna

January 25th, 2007, 11:14 PM

I agree that nothing will really "dwarf" the Wachovia Tower, but it won't be the dominant building in that part of the skyline as it is now. That building is over 750 feet, so even a 1,000 footer wouldn't make it look tiny. It will always have the prime Bayfront views and will be almost entirely visible from the bay, since it's across the street from Bayfront Park. But as taller buildings get built around it, it won't draw as much attention as it does now.

BTW, we alreay got a new tallest out of the building boom in 2003, the Four Seasons. But it was only slightly taller than the previous tallest, so it would be nice to have Met3, as it is almost 10 floors taller than Four Seasons.

Dale

January 26th, 2007, 03:00 AM

It's just hard for me to consider Four Seasons as being a part of this building boom. Technically, it may be, but it was conceived years ago.

Pablo63090

January 26th, 2007, 03:38 AM

The Wachovia Financial Center is the king of the Miami Skyline. Back in the day, it was considered a supertall since it was the tallest building south of NYC and east of the Mississippi.

coruna

January 26th, 2007, 05:17 AM

It was at a time and is currently still the king of the CBD. However, within a few years, it will be surpassed. It will still be a signature of the Miami skyline, but just not as prominant as it was when built.

dave8721

February 2nd, 2007, 05:10 PM

I hope this isn't all they had in mind: Shaq standing on the site holding up a picture of the building....

http://img.travidia.com/rop-ad/4065116

skyscraperhighrise

February 2nd, 2007, 05:54 PM

I hope this isn't all they had in mind: Shaq standing on the site holding up a picture of the building....

http://img.travidia.com/rop-ad/4065116

One of the most weirdiest pictures in the history of this message board

The Giant aka Shaq in Met 3?

Really, Really Weird.

Rx727sfl2002

February 2nd, 2007, 06:45 PM

WHY DOES HE ALWAYS DO THIS? POST THE SAME PICTURE THAT IS MENTIONED ABOVE... SOMEONE DELETE THAT POSTING AND SHOW THE BOY HOW ITS DONE...

Meepy

February 2nd, 2007, 11:03 PM

WHY DOES HE ALWAYS DO THIS? POST THE SAME PICTURE THAT IS MENTIONED ABOVE... SOMEONE DELETE THAT POSTING AND SHOW THE BOY HOW ITS DONE...

omg dude do you have to complain about f*cking everything ?

rider_of_rohan

February 2nd, 2007, 11:37 PM

I hope this isn't all they had in mind: Shaq standing on the site holding up a picture of the building....

http://img.travidia.com/rop-ad/4065116

He does seem to be having some personal issues. Maybe its a relationship thing. There is help out there friend, we all have our down times.

likeasilka

February 2nd, 2007, 11:49 PM

Rx is an ok guy , give him a chance, All you have to do is ignore his comments and youll see how he becomes a really great guy, kind of like an imaginary friend.

Rx727sfl2002

February 3rd, 2007, 12:29 AM

Bryan-Sereny

February 3rd, 2007, 12:42 AM

:lol:

THERE WE GO A THIRD DORK POSTING THE SAME PICTURE TAKING UP BANDWITH...

PEOPLE IF YOUR TO LAZY TO SCROLL UP AND LOOK AT THE IMAGE YOU HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM... AS MODERATOR I WOULD HAVE DELETED ALL THREE POSTINGS

DONT QUOTE THE PICTURE ITS RIGHT THERE EVERYONE IS SMART ENOUGH TO LOOK AT IT...

Meepy

February 3rd, 2007, 12:43 AM

THERE WE GO A THIRD DORK POSTING THE SAME PICTURE TAKING UP BANDWITH...

PEOPLE IF YOUR TO LAZY TO SCROLL UP AND LOOK AT THE IMAGE YOU HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM... AS MODERATOR I WOULD HAVE DELETED ALL THREE POSTINGS

DONT QUOTE THE PICTURE ITS RIGHT THERE EVERYONE IS SMART ENOUGH TO LOOK AT IT...

Wasting bandwith from who retard? the images are not being hosted off Skyscrapercity.com but free IMAGE HOSTING SITE such as ImageShack. Stop being so lazy your self to scroll down trough them, maybe you should download FireFox and block the direct image link after you see it once, it'll be like you're the moderator!.

Seriously dude, you need to calm down and stop flaming people. So what he's new to using forums, let the guy enjoy himself, he'll learn from trial and error. He doesnt need you ontop of him.

ooo and by the way, I love shaq good pic. He's a giant compared to Met, look at him hold it.. amazing..
http://img.travidia.com/rop-ad/4065116

brickell

February 3rd, 2007, 12:54 AM

http://img.travidia.com/rop-ad/4065116

Shaq always looks so happy. I have a hard time taking him seriously.

Rx727sfl2002

February 3rd, 2007, 01:29 AM

YOU NEW GUYS HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE FORUM

Meaning of bandwidth in web hosting In website hosting, bandwidth is the amount of information downloadable from the webserver over a prescribed period of time. In essence, it is the rate [data/time], but the time in this case is not seconds but rather a month or a week. Common connection rate terms such as 56K, broadband, etc. are also bandwidth, but are measured per second. Web hosting companies often quote a monthly bandwidth limit for a website, for example 100 GB/month. If visitors to the website download a total greater than 100 GB in one month, the bandwidth limit will have been exceeded.

EVEN IF ITS HOSTED IN IMAGESHACK.ORG OR ANY OTHER YOU ARE STILL HAVING TO DOWNLOAD THE SAME IMAGE WHEN VISITING THE FORUM SO INFACT IT DOES TAKE UP BANDWITH... MIGHT BE MINIMAL BUT IT ALL ADDS UP... SO WHEN THE SITE IS DOWN BECAUSE BANDWITH IS EXCEEDED GO AHEAD AND KICK YOURSELVES IN THE ASS...

EVER NOTICE WHY SKYSCRAPERPAGE IS ALWAYS DOWN OR TO BUSY....

YOU GUYS ARE ABUSIVE LITTLE TROLLS

Meepy

February 3rd, 2007, 01:38 AM

Well I took CISCO and you could not be more wrong. First of all, thats the users bandwidth and Imageshacks bandwidth. Skyscrapercity is not effect at all what so ever by the loading of that image, since it's being uploaded by the image host (ImageShack) and being downloaded by the client (Me). Also, you only have to download a image once, if someone quotes it, and it is twice on the same page your browser automaticly caches it so the next time you load them it doesnt take up bandwith and you dont have to download/upload anything. I gotta give you props tough, Googleing "BandWidth" and copy & pasting the definition made you seem really smart for the first sentence, after that it was a total loss of IQ/Time. Also it's a 11KB file, ImageShack has 100+ Gigs of bandwidth a month, so darn that 11 KB file sure is going to come back to haunt them even tough it's only downloaded once by each individual user and since this thread doesnt get much outside traffic, it's the same Miami memembers surfing it. You're just making yourself look like an ass picking on noobs, nice try on instigating it as making "Skyscraperpage" the reason it's always down. Trolling? Atleast I respect the members of this forum, as well as our new members which I'm thankfull to have to increase the Miami forum traffic instead of being a complete ass to them. Now you know why we constasntly lose new members.

Rx727sfl2002

February 3rd, 2007, 02:06 AM

THERE IS MORE THEN ONE FORUM AND ONE THREAD ON THIS WHOLE SITE
MIAMI IS ONLY PART OF IT THERE ARE MANY OTHER CITIES AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE POSTING PICTURES...

HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU CLEAN OUT YOUR CACHE MY BROWSER DOES IT EVERYTIME I EXIT... SO I GUESS THAT MAKES ME PART OF THE PROBLEM?

LIKE I SAID THERE IS NO NEED TO POST THE PICTURE MULTIPLE TIMES
ASIDE FROM TAKING UP BANDWITH IT ALSO MOVES THE THREAD UNTO ANOTHER PAGE AND PEOPLE WILL MISS USEFULL INFORMATION...

GIVEN THE HISTORY OF WHAT IVE SEEN ON HERE MOST PEOPLE DONT GO BACK AND READ WHAT IS POSTED SO BY POSTING A HUGE ASS "LONG" PICTURE THIS MOVES UNTO ANOTHER PAGE AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE MISSING THE WHOLE QUESTION

DO YOU LIKE THE WACHOVIA DESIGN?

YOU CAN DEFEND STUPIDITY AND LAZINESS ALL YOU WANT.. KNOCK YOURSELF OUT... AND FOR YOUR INFO THIS THREAD IS ABOUT INFORMATION SO SOURCES AND LINKS ARE REQUIRED ...SO WHY DONT YOU SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENT WITH A HYPERLINK AND EDUCATE THE REST OF US...

rider_of_rohan

February 3rd, 2007, 03:08 AM

Rx727sfl2002

February 3rd, 2007, 03:40 AM

IN THE CASE OF "USING UP" BANDWITH IT WILL MAKE THIS SITE BROKE....

SUBTRACTION AND ADDITION ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS....

brickell

February 3rd, 2007, 01:11 PM

Rx, I think you've done more to clog up this forum in the last week than all the picturer quoters combined. Please give up. I'm asking nicely.

spellbound

February 3rd, 2007, 11:52 PM

YOU NEW GUYS HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE FORUM

If anybody has shown "no respect" on this forum recently, it's you. In a cakewalk.

You've embarked on one paranoid rant after the next. You've belittled people...made yourself out to be some kind of all-seeing, all-knowing fountain of information (which you are assuredly not)...and behaved as if this forum is your personal fiefdom where YOU decide what is or isn't acceptable content.

In short, you've managed to make a complete ass of yourself.

There are MANY people here who I value as contributors. Some have accurate information about projects. Some post jaw-dropping photos. Some make compelling points about Miami that may not be all sunshine and happy faces but are valid nonetheless.

But what they have in common is respect for each other despite differing viewpoints. With you, it's all "I'm right...you're wrong...so screw you."

Nothing could be more weak and pathetic...nor could anything be a stronger indication that you lack the capacity to argue anything dispassionately or with the confidence that comes with REAL knowledge. Quite frankly, you are the least credible source of information on this board...from bogus construction information that substitutes wishful thinking in lieu of facts to the grandiose boasts about your fabulous wealth.

None of it is believable anymore. Not an ounce. I consider you a fraud.

I take no pleasure in making a post like this, and realize it probably adds fuel to a fire that should probably be doused. But in the past few days I've sat back and seen some classy people people here take more than enough crap from you, along with mean-spirited attacks on the homeless and anybody else who "dares" to disagree with your ravings and personal attacks.

Enough is enough.

If this post gets ME in trouble, then so be it. But I think it needed to be said.