China's E2 High Speed Railway Testing Pics.

[zergcerebrates]

The Train was being tested at Beijing's Testing Loop.

Still wondering where it'll run to and from.

Pics:

http://www.sscz.com/MSTS/SSCZBBS/images/upload/2006/06/09/063601.jpg

http://www.beixia.net/bbs/UploadFile/2006-6/200661953324119.jpg

http://www.beixia.net/bbs/UploadFile/2006-6/20066220111788576.jpg

http://www.sscz.com/MSTS/SSCZBBS/images/upload/2006/06/09/063338.jpg

http://www.sscz.com/MSTS/SSCZBBS/images/upload/2006/06/09/063345.jpg

http://www.sscz.com/MSTS/SSCZBBS/images/upload/2006/06/09/063406.jpg

[Jiangwho]

:)

[gaoanyu]

I am not amused if these were actually made in Nippon

[zergcerebrates]

I am not amused if these were actually made in Nippon

They are. The first batches are made in Japan the rest will be made in China. Whats wrong with Japanese products? Don't tell me you have none from them. I know relations between Japan and China has been sour but theres no reason why they shouldn't buy the train from them and learn their technology(besides they agreed to transfer it to us). Japanese are excellent in technology and we should be humble and learn from them so in the future we may excel in that field.

[gaoanyu]

They are. The first batches are made in Japan the rest will be made in China. Whats wrong with Japanese products? Don't tell me you have none from them. I know relations between Japan and China has been sour but theres no reason why they shouldn't buy the train from them and learn their technology(besides they agreed to transfer it to us). Japanese are excellent in technology and we should be humble and learn from them so in the future we may excel in that field.

I am not particularly against Japanese products. Indeed, products from any nations, if they are good value for high quality, we say we buy them.
Nothing wrong with tech transfer, because I think tech transfer is the way to go ahead, like if all techs are shared, I am sure the world would be better off. Just like some people are advocating the ideas of open source software.
Maybe I was mistaken. I thought China has been developing its high speed trains for years now, why wouldn't they just use our own technology? I wouldn't mind if ours are a bit slower than the Japanese ones. In fact, I think the China star can run at around 300km/h, why wouldn't they just use this one?

[thyrdrail]

...I thought China has been developing its high speed trains for years now, why wouldn't they just use our own technology? I wouldn't mind if ours are a bit slower than the Japanese ones. In fact, I think the China star can run at around 300km/h, why wouldn't they just use this one?

umm...maybe they are just not good enough for the amount of money they have to spend to build the system. if you going to spend billions, why not get the best quality?

[gaoanyu]

umm...maybe they are just not good enough for the amount of money they have to spend to build the system. if you going to spend billions, why not get the best quality?

Then it's self-proven that our research is a failure.

[desirous]

Then it's self-proven that our research is a failure.
Why is it a failure? In the global economy, self-sufficiency is not the ideal. Look at where that idea did for North Korea. Is China a "failure" for buying Russian airplanes? I think not. It's practicality. Use your own technology when it catches up with the times. No country can become strong enough on self-reliance alone.

[miamicanes]

Then it's self-proven that our research is a failure.
Not at all. It just proves that at the moment the plans were being finalized a few years ago, it ended up being cheaper or more expedient to just buy the trains from Japan.

Remember, even if you "have" the technology, you can't just snap your fingers and have a factory ready to manufacture trains using it appear overnight. It takes years to go from first prototype to production-ready train. That's the hardest thing for any engineer to try explaining to salespeople, who never seem to grasp that just because you have something in front of them that "sort of" works (with team of engineers standing behind the curtain, working furiously to keep it from crashing and burning) does not mean you have something yet that you can actually take and start using in the real world. Ten years from now, the rail systems buying trains from Japan today will probably be buying cheaper and better ones from China.

[gaoanyu]

I fully understand your points as myself is working in the engineering sector.
Maybe I did not state myselves clearly.
I am not against technology transfers, in fact, I am a big fan of it.
But I think China has taken too long to develop its own high-speed train tech. If these research bodies do not have a clear ideas as what to achieve and do not set clear schedules, I think the time and money are wasted.
As often happen in China now, a lot of research projects do not have clear schedules and goals, so most of the research funds do not yield commercial or civil products, this is what I am against.
But then again, I guess this is also China will also need to learn. i.e. how to develop sort of an effective scheme for carrying out and assessing government-funded research projects.

[desirous]

When Japan invented their first high-speed train, China was struggling to feed itself. Being on the brink of deploying domestic HSR technology should be something to be proud of. The research isn't wasted if future deployments are with Chinese-made trains; this is only one small portion of a future nationwide system, I presume.

[zergcerebrates]

More Testing pics of the new Chinese Highspeed train

http://bbs.hasea.com/attachments/forumid_41/44_ZiONOnuNOCR0.jpg

http://bbs.hasea.com/attachments/forumid_41/41_eWRdL6c8TsOY.jpg

http://bbs.hasea.com/attachments/forumid_41/48_SIAh2lz9cBsx.jpg

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http://bbs.hasea.com/attachments/forumid_41/P1050006_aI9EuGMieuDW_qe15k3ROalnU.jpg

[teddybear]

Wow. There is nothing wrong buying from Japan. China indeed leaping forward even faster.

[cyberjaya]

Can somebody tell me the speed of this train? Which one will be used in the newly-built Beijing-tianjin high speed track?

[hzkiller]

Can somebody tell me the speed of this train? Which one will be used in the newly-built Beijing-tianjin high speed track?
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no it's beijing -----shanghai

[cyberjaya]

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no it's beijing -----shanghai

I'm talking about the BJ-TJ high speed rail which will be opened before 2008 Olympics.

[parker941]

cool trains!

[zergcerebrates]

Can somebody tell me the speed of this train? Which one will be used in the newly-built Beijing-tianjin high speed track?


E2 series trains have a maximum design speed of 315 km/h operational speed should be around 260 km/h. As for the trains use for BJ-Tj not sure, some say its this one some say its the other, no confirmation yet.

[cyberjaya]

E2 series trains have a maximum design speed of 315 km/h operational speed should be around 260 km/h. As for the trains use for BJ-Tj not sure, some say its this one some say its the other, no confirmation yet.
315km/h is a bit low. The BJ-TJ rail is designed for max 350km/h so it may use other trains. Thanks anway.

[zergcerebrates]

315km/h is a bit low. The BJ-TJ rail is designed for max 350km/h so it may use other trains. Thanks anway.

196mph(315) is actually quite fast. Designed max speed doesnt mean it'll reach max speed though.

[gaoanyu]

They don't look quite like the Shinkansen. Any idea about what the difference might be, if any?

[thyrdrail]

ya those trains are pretty bland looking.

[zergcerebrates]

They don't look quite like the Shinkansen. Any idea about what the difference might be, if any?


Its basically the same as this train, paint work makes a big difference in appearance.

http://www.hood-online.co.uk/shinkansen/tohoku/080-haraichi.jpg

http://www.hood-online.co.uk/shinkansen/tohoku/121-ukimafunado.jpg

http://www.hood-online.co.uk/shinkansen/tohoku/72-ShinShirakawa.jpg

http://www.hood-online.co.uk/shinkansen/tohoku/e2-01.jpg