Just curious to hear different theories for how coastal elitism arose, justified or not.

At some point places like NY, LA, and SF got pegged as the trendiest, hippest, fastest, most pretentious part, and most worldy of the country with no-nonsense, sensible, good hearted, hard working middle America almost being another country.

Whether it is justified or not, how did we get here?

The insularity that comes with being in a very large city?

ITS NOT really limited to just those cities or east coast west coast thing.take seattle for example with their grunge look in the nineties started by curt cobain and Miami with there look in the eighties started by Miami vice. also the clothes and crunk rap music from lil john from atlanta. remember the steledos just a couple years back atlanta set that trend the remember the burnt out surfer dude look in the eighties set by L.A., the big gold chain look in the eighties set by new york the pastel colored drug dealer suite look set by Miami in the eighties because of Miami vice. nashvill invented rock and roll thaks to thier local elvis the latest gold teeth look from trick daddy out of Miami. Gold teeth and dreds has been a southern thing and now people from up north are just starting to get them thanks to trick daddy and lil john but people in the south have had gold teeth as a fashion statement for years.see what im saying.another example with cars remember L.A. in the nineties showed us dayton rims and hydrolics because of dr dre and snoop dog when in reality mexicans in L.A. where doing it for years. now today atlanta and Miami introduced the united states to big 26 inch rims and booming base speakers in the trunk.and now everyone is trading in there small dayton rims a low riders for big crome spinners and high suspention. another example Miami and new york together introduced a music known as regueton latin hip hop thanks to Miami,s local pitt bull and new yorks daddy yankee. what sets the trends are celeberties and tv shows.what about the cowboy look started by the old west that still lives today in small towns. Many many cities have their own styles. its just the celeberties and tv shows from those cities that set the trends for the rest of the country to see.People want to wear and have what they see celeberties wearing on tv and in fashion magazines.

Just curious to hear different theories for how coastal elitism arose, justified or not.

At some point places like NY, LA, and SF got pegged as the trendiest, hippest, fastest, most pretentious part, and most worldy of the country with no-nonsense, sensible, good hearted, hard working middle America almost being another country.

Whether it is justified or not, how did we get here?
lol if you think those places are like another country have you ever been to Miami? :banana: :gunz:

reggeaton didnt start in New York and it definatle did not start in Miami it started in Puerto Rico and Daddy yankee began his career in San Juan not in New York.But I see what your saying.

maybe cuz most large cities are by the ocean and the worldliness comes from a desire to live near the ocean and immigration.

taylor yes thats true but what cities in the main land united states have closest ties to puerto rico? Miami and new york.Puerto rico started it but new york and Miami played a big part in introducing it to the rest of the country.Pitt bull is one of the first regueton rapers to make the style big with songs like "culo" "gasalina" in the states and he is from Miami. so Miami definitly helped start the regueton industry.so because pitt bull the celeberty is from Miami people will see miami as a trend setter for regueton.See what im saying?Ask people and many would think break dancing started in new york but it not.it started in brazil and colombia.even though people in Miami where actually doing it first because of our close ties with south america new york got the credit because celeberties like grand master flash from new york introduced it to the entire country.you think places like utah and wyoming knew what break dancing was before grand master flash? no lol

I believe that God and Silverlake (in their infinite wisdom) got together and declared "Thy coasts (on eithereth side) shall forever overshinith that upon which lay-eth betweenth them. I (We...including my other son, Silverlake) declarth New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco foreverth to be My shining temples on the hill, unparraleledth among the cities of the globe (even my blessed Jerusalem), and containeth of that pure, briny, salt water air...and will lordth it over all that lies in the pitiful inteterior of my holy land of Americath"

(that was on Saturday). On Sunday, God and Silverlake surveyed their work and said "This is good" and rested.

Just curious to hear different theories for how coastal elitism arose, justified or not.

At some point places like NY, LA, and SF got pegged as the trendiest, hippest, fastest, most pretentious part, and most worldy of the country

New York is the "fastest paced" (what ever that means) city. SF and L.A. are not nearly as "fast paced" with a particular middle American city, from my own experience. However, pretentious, trendiest, and hippest they may be.

At some point places like NY, LA, and SF got pegged as the trendiest, hippest, fastest, most pretentious part, and most worldy of the country with no-nonsense, sensible, good hearted, hard working middle America almost being another country.



This comes across to me as yet another attempt of yours to differentiate your select favorite cities from the rest of the nation.

Anyway...

I have family in California and on the East coast...from experience, this elitism seems like more of a myth--it has much more to do with media attention, given our country's large coastal population.

Nobody in the Midwest gives a flying fuck about the West Coast, at least in my social circles. Elitism there is totally self-imagined (although who doesn't love San Francisco). The East Coast definitely exudes an elitist attitude, and one visit to New York will justify it IMO.

I believe that God and Silverlake (in their infinite wisdom) got together and declared "Thy coasts (on eithereth side) shall forever overshinith that upon which lay-eth betweenth them. I (We...including my other son, Silverlake) declarth New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco foreverth to be My shining temples on the hill, unparraleledth among the cities of the globe (even my blessed Jerusalem), and containeth of that pure, briny, salt water air...and will lordth it over all that lies in the pitiful inteterior of my holy land of Americath"

(that was on Saturday). On Sunday, God and Silverlake surveyed their work and said "This is good" and rested.

:hilarious :rofl:

"WHAt'S UP WITH COASTAL ELITISM?"

- Asks a coastal elitist.

most cities has its own trends for example seattle with grunge Miami with latin and hip hop cuban coffee and croquetas big 26 inch rims and base speakers in the trunk los angeles with burnt long haired surfer dudes and cars with dayton rims and hydros.and nashville invented rock and roll. every city has there thing also sometimes regions have their thing for example gold teeth and dreds is a present southern thing oh and where do you think cowboys started with their style the old west region like arizona so it aint just an east coast west coast thing that starts trends.lol thats rediculouse.trends happen when local celeberties and tv shows introduce it to the rest of the united states.

The East coast is NOT as elitist as it seems...

While places like the Upper East Side, Georgetown, and Beacon Hill, universities like the Ivy League have their coastal elitists...the vast majority of cities on the east coast are as working class as similar cities in the Midwest or South...I'm sure the West coast is the same...

The people Silverlake talks about being the "trendiest, hippest, fastest, most pretentious" are not a representative of the whole cities (talking about NY here)...these are the rich who fly back between NYC and LA many times....

Coastal elitism is a myth...when it comes to the majority.

the elitists on both coasts are typically not the natives of either area.

:hilarious :rofl:

so, triadcat, if i am reading you correctly (which I believe I am), what you are really trying to say is that the United States is dominated by the three towering, highly urban, majestic and awe-inspiring metropolises that dominate the United States east, central, and west: that would be New York, Chicago, and San Francisco respectively.

Well, yes, I could see that such an argument would make a lot of sense. You make an excellent point.

Well, in almost any groups of people, there will always be those that have money and flaunt. Bigger coastal cities just tend to have a higher concentration of these kinds of people, since well, bigger cities tend to have bigger groups of any kinds of people....

Let's look at the calendar, folks, It's 2006. There is nothing about either coast that makes one or the other more connected, more trend setting, more "cool", and certainly more "elite" than areas far into the interior.

Last I checked, we don't travel this planet by ship. Our interconnections are by plane. Which means that a person in Chicago, the nation's interior, can get to virtually any part of the world a lot faster than can most people who live on the coasts. O'Hare totally connects us with all places, all times.

As far as feeling "elite", despite SL's kind comments that we are just "good, plain country folks who like our women barefoot and pregnant and never put on airs", Chicago is (unfortuntely) just as snobby and elist as any other of your basic alpha cities. Not one of our more admirable traits, mind you, despite Silverlake considerate attempt to compliment us as being "real people", the salt of the earth.

But, sorry to disappoint you, SL, we can be as pretenious and elistist as NY, SF, and LA.

trendy is for kids....


real influence comes from IDEAs....such as the skyscrapr, the production line, cell phones, nuclear energy etc..... all born of the Midwest.


and in terms of "art"......try to name a form of art that originates from the west coast (besides grunge)......mainly a bunch of fluff and "lifestyle" stuff that is simply the result of topography and weather.

meanwhile chicago has produced and/or been largely responsible for such art forms as big band jazz/electric blues/house music/improv comedy/poetry slams/and as mentioned b4, skyscrapers......

silverlake.....someday you will realize that there is more to life than feeling cooler than other people.........in fact there is BEING cooler than other people. And the cool thing is....if someone FEELS cooler than you, than you are in fact cooler than them....it's just how it works. It's kind of cool that way.

Think all you want about how where you are at on the globe is testament to your own individual coolness...

and then hop on a plane to chicago, where coolness is much more nuanced, thoughtful and permanent.

ever read a nelson algren novel??????

ever read a nelson algren novel while eating pierogis?????

ever read a nelson algren novel while eating pierogis while listening to jazz under the EL?


I suggest you do all three of the above, contemplate our gorgeous country, and stop being such a jagoff (do you even know that word?)

"the elitists on both coasts are typically not the natives of either area."

Hell yes! I can tolerate SOME of the people that have been raised in a certain place, but it's the young, hipster types that come in and try to compensate and act like they know everything that is the most annoying IMO.

Another retarded thread by Silverlake

and in terms of "art"......try to name a form of art that originates from the west coast (besides grunge)......mainly a bunch of fluff and "lifestyle" stuff that is simply the result of topography and weather.

word?)


Don't even get me started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's look at the calendar, folks, It's 2006. There is nothing about either coast that makes one or the other more connected, more trend setting, more "cool", and certainly more "elite" than areas far into the interior.

Last I checked, we don't travel this planet by ship. Our interconnections are by plane. Which means that a person in Chicago, the nation's interior, can get to virtually any part of the world a lot faster than can most people who live on the coasts. O'Hare totally connects us with all places, all times.

As far as feeling "elite", despite SL's kind comments that we are just "good, plain country folks who like our women barefoot and pregnant and never put on airs", Chicago is (unfortuntely) just as snobby and elist as any other of your basic alpha cities. Not one of our more admirable traits, mind you, despite Silverlake considerate attempt to compliment us as being "real people", the salt of the earth.

But, sorry to disappoint you, SL, we can be as pretenious and elistist as NY, SF, and LA.

So you are saying that this perception is not valid. However, this perception still exists. The term "midwest" and "middle america" are used as pejoratives on the coast.

^

...only by the ignorant and the elitist. In reality who really cares what people like them (and people like you) think?

It's the well travelled and the stable that know a lot better. You will never hear someone who has travelled the country thoroughly and gotten to know it ever talk about "middle america" as a pejorative. When I was living in Manhattan the only people I ever ran into that talked about middle america in a belittling way were those that have never been there, or whose world revolved around the idiot box (TV). The vast VAST majority of people that I know on the coasts, like 99.9%, are not elitists and do not have a belittling opinion of middle america. I think you and apparently your circle of friends Silverlake are honestly outcasted minorities who seem to hold to a very strange and far in the minority opinion of something that has nothing to do with the real world. It's all in your head. Thankfully this opinion is in the very smallest minority.

I mean you come on to this forum of people from all over this country and rather than learn from them and their opinions, it all just goes right over your head and you can't understand why people think differently than you do. I think because the vast majority of us on this forum are better travelled and know more about the world than you do. I have a feeling you are much younger than most of us and have not travelled much, having never been to major cities like Chicago for instance.

But to really answer your question... coastal elitism stems from ignorance of what you don't know, mixed with an insular lifestyle that is self-limited. For instance, the elitists will stick with New York and LA without having ever set foot anywhere else, and they are not interested in setting foot anywhere else unless it becomes "hot" on the idiot box. This is an insular, self-limited lifestyle that doesn't seek new experiences. They are WILLINGLY ignorant of the world and quite happy with it, and are ignorant to know that people who are NOT willingly ignorant of the world are just rolling their eyes at them. And to be real, anyone that needs to prop themselves up to make themselves cool is automatically not as cool as someone who doesn't. It's cool how the way the world works... the elitists and the "self-cool's" of the world are never as cool as the well travelled and open minded.

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I am not expressing my opinion. So don't pin this on me.


^

...only by the ignorant and the elitist. In reality who really cares what people like them (and people like you) think?

It's the well travelled and the stable that know a lot better. You will never hear someone who has travelled the country thoroughly and gotten to know it ever talk about "middle america" as a pejorative. When I was living in Manhattan the only people I ever ran into that talked about middle america in a belittling way were those that have never been there, or whose world revolved around the idiot box (TV). The vast VAST majority of people that I know on the coasts, like 99.9%, are not elitists and do not have a belittling opinion of middle america. I think you and apparently your circle of friends Silverlake are honestly outcasted minorities who seem to hold to a very strange and far in the minority opinion of something that has nothing to do with the real world. It's all in your head. Thankfully this opinion is in the very smallest minority.

I mean you come on to this forum of people from all over this country and rather than learn from them and their opinions, it all just goes right over your head and you can't understand why people think differently than you do. I think because the vast majority of us on this forum are better travelled and know more about the world than you do. I have a feeling you are much younger than most of us and have not travelled much, having never been to major cities like Chicago for instance.

But to really answer your question... coastal elitism stems from ignorance of what you don't know, mixed with an insular lifestyle that is self-limited. For instance, the elitists will stick with New York and LA without having ever set foot anywhere else, and they are not interested in setting foot anywhere else unless it becomes "hot" on the idiot box. This is an insular, self-limited lifestyle that doesn't seek new experiences. They are WILLINGLY ignorant of the world and quite happy with it, and are ignorant to know that people who are NOT willingly ignorant of the world are just rolling their eyes at them. And to be real, anyone that needs to prop themselves up to make themselves cool is automatically not as cool as someone who doesn't. It's cool how the way the world works... the elitists and the "self-cool's" of the world are never as cool as the well travelled and open minded.

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Here are some citations. I found these in 2 seconds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest
"The Midwest is a term that is sometimes used interchangeably with the "Heartland" or "Middle America" although some midwesterners consider these to be pejorative terms"

http://www.bookslut.com/features/2004_07_002779.php
"And it's not because I'm a Midwest writer, but because I think literature is literature wherever it happens. What tends to happen is, of course, if you're from the Midwest and you become a writer, you become a Midwest writer, and that feels to me that there's a mild pejorative in it, or a limitation."

http://homepage.mac.com/bgdelafuente/iblog/B1525647482/C2115009360/E2054121878/index.html
"one of the girls characterized the spread as "Midwestern." Being born and raised in the Midwest myself, I bristle whenever people use that word. At best, it's mildly patronizing ("He has such solid Midwestern values"), and at worst, it's condescending and pejorative (insert virtually any example of your choosing here). "

http://www.rlmpr.com/?pg=newsletter&id=224
My previous trips to New York have all been as tourist. I was carefree, spent tons of money on stuff I can’t remember, and tried to do and see everything in a desperate attempt to master New York culture overnight. I have always considered myself a “city girl,” but I quickly realized how different the City is from podunk Columbia, Missouri. It was not until my boyfriend came to visit me and one of my co-workers said, “He is so Midwest,” that I really started to notice the vast differences between MO and NY.

Would you consider yourself "laidback"? This is what most people from Chicago (and most of the rest of the U.S.) think when someone mentions Californians and their lifestyle. What's with all of this stereotyping?

Here are some citations. I found these in 2 seconds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest
"The Midwest is a term that is sometimes used interchangeably with the "Heartland" or "Middle America" although some midwesterners consider these to be pejorative terms"

http://www.bookslut.com/features/2004_07_002779.php
"And it's not because I'm a Midwest writer, but because I think literature is literature wherever it happens. What tends to happen is, of course, if you're from the Midwest and you become a writer, you become a Midwest writer, and that feels to me that there's a mild pejorative in it, or a limitation."

http://homepage.mac.com/bgdelafuente/iblog/B1525647482/C2115009360/E2054121878/index.html
"one of the girls characterized the spread as "Midwestern." Being born and raised in the Midwest myself, I bristle whenever people use that word. At best, it's mildly patronizing ("He has such solid Midwestern values"), and at worst, it's condescending and pejorative (insert virtually any example of your choosing here). "

http://www.rlmpr.com/?pg=newsletter&id=224
My previous trips to New York have all been as tourist. I was carefree, spent tons of money on stuff I can’t remember, and tried to do and see everything in a desperate attempt to master New York culture overnight. I have always considered myself a “city girl,” but I quickly realized how different the City is from podunk Columbia, Missouri. It was not until my boyfriend came to visit me and one of my co-workers said, “He is so Midwest,” that I really started to notice the vast differences between MO and NY.

Silverlake, LA, SF, and NY are pretty diverse cities from each other. But thinking about what they have in common...do you honestly believe they don't share with a city like Chicago?

If you do and you found knowledgable Angelenos, San Franciscans, and New Yorkers, they would laugh at the suggestion.

Do you believe that Chicago has an environment more like Columbia, MO, than like New York?

Do you also believe that Los Angeles has more in common with Bakersfield than New York? San Francisco has more in common with Modesto than Chicago? New York has more in common with Syracuse than Los Angeles?

What insecurities make you feel you have to set LA apart from all the "lesser places"? Why don't you love or even like LA? You couldn't possibly think it was a great place when you have a full time job defending it.

^I look forward to SILVERLAKE's response.

You have the insecurities as nowhere did I mention Chicago directly or indirectly.


Silverlake, LA, SF, and NY are pretty diverse cities from each other. But thinking about what they have in common...do you honestly believe they don't share with a city like Chicago?

If you do and you found knowledgable Angelenos, San Franciscans, and New Yorkers, they would laugh at the suggestion.

Do you believe that Chicago has an environment more like Columbia, MO, than like New York?

Do you also believe that Los Angeles has more in common with Bakersfield than New York? San Francisco has more in common with Modesto than Chicago? New York has more in common with Syracuse than Los Angeles?

What insecurities make you feel you have to set LA apart from all the "lesser places"? Why don't you love or even like LA? You couldn't possibly think it was a great place when you have a full time job defending it.

As someone who lives on the coast, I dont sense the elitist attitude at all. There is the occasional remark about the south, but thats about it. I think anyone who thinks there is a coastal elitism is just paranoid.

I think its a misunderstanding of the coast.

Oh, and LA is not laidback. Ive lived here my whole life and if I could describe it one way its fast-paced, job oriented.

If any town is laidback its probably a small town with not much to do.

NO CITY IS AS DIVERSE AS MIAMI :guns1:

NO CITY IS AS DIVERSE AS MIAMI :guns1:


Yes miami is diverse.

I am not expressing my opinion. So don't pin this on me.

Sure you are. You have proven time and time again in the past to hold some very strange views of what you think it is actually like to live in the Midwest. You yourself have used the term pejoratively many times, and quite frankly you are the only person I have seen do so on this very diverse forum, which should help answer your question that this "coastal elitism" business is reserved for only the young and insular minority. If this was so widespread how come you are literally the only person on this entire forum I have seen use the term "Midwest" pejoratively? You have even gone as far as to act like Chicago is more Republican than Los Angeles, contrary to reality, purely due to the fact it is "in the Midwest" since you hold such a weird opinion of the region.

You have used the word "Midwest" and "Midwestern" yourself in a belittling way several times (LA Times thread anyone? Not to mention COUNTLESS other threads). It is why you are very unpopular at the moment. It doesn't matter where you live, the fact is no one likes a snob, especially one who sounds very young and apparently hasn't travelled much. No offense, just telling it like it is. I fully expect in 10 years with more experiences and travelling under your belt, if you are still posting here, that your threads and your posts will sound very very different, and you will realize that there is as much difference between Chicago and Des Moines, Minneapolis and Wichita, and Madison and Beloit as there is between Los Angeles and Bakersfield, San Franciscos and Fresno, and Berkeley and Boise.

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The term "midwest" and "middle america" are used as pejoratives on the coast.
It all goes down to red state/blue state doesn't it? Guess what? IT DOESN'T MATTER, I know tons of conservatives that live on the coasts and tons of liberals that live in the "Midwest". WHY CAN'T WE GET OVER THIS? Just because you're from a certain area doesn't make you better than one. Elitists are no worse than suburbanites who look down upon everyone who lives in urban areas.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PujB8J6vyO8&search=south%20park%20hybrid

^ Everything that's wrong with coastal elitism is summed up in that video.

One last thing, everything between the coasts isn't the fucking Midwest. THIS IS THE MIDWEST:
http://www.seta.iastate.edu/images/midwest.gif

diversity isn't everything and is one of the factors of a city i could give two shits about.

You have the insecurities as nowhere did I mention Chicago directly or indirectly.

You talked about coastal elitism, Chicago is not on the coast, it is in the "heartland", the Midwest...of course people are offended. You are saying that the rest of the country is rural backwater.

I'm offended as well...but because you think that most people in these cities act this ignorantly. Except for a few neighborhoods in each of these cities, you are living in a dream world.

This is just another lame attempt from SILVERLAKE to distinguish LA from the rest of the country due to some stupid forum rivalries. Just ignore it. (unless some juicy argument arises)

I think there is definitley some coastal elitism or from my own experience some NYC elitism. Like New Yorkers who bash New Jersey and make it out to be some industrial waste land. Ive heard friends and my own father say how everything is slower outside the NYC area even compared to Boston how many places close alot earlier or that the service isn't the same. Not like there is some underlying belief among all New Yorkers or people living on the coasts. I think only certain people actually form such opinions, most people dont give a shit or never really notice.

You have the insecurities as nowhere did I mention Chicago directly or indirectly.

Silverlake, Silverlake, Silverlake, once again you prove you don't understand the rules of logic. You make the following (So you are saying that this perception is not valid. However, this perception still exists. The term "midwest" and "middle america" are used as pejoratives on the coast.) among other statements that make it clear that middle america lacks the elitism and sophistication of the coast.

Therefore you don't have to mention Chicago by name.

As in:

All the middle of the nation lacks elitism
Chicago is in the middle of the nation
Therefore Chicago lacks elitism

SL, you can't make a blanket statement about the Midwest and then come back and say it doesn't refer to Chicago.

Utlimately this is yet another thread that is little more than an LA ego trip for silverlake.

Silverlake, I've asked you the question to follow numerous times. You have always ducked it. You have never made any attempt to answer.

It would seem to us that with all that you go through (where you have no fear of expressing yourself in detail) that involves elevating LA at the expense of other places, you never tell us why you do it.

I believe I speak for other forumers besides myself. We'd like to know what the motivation is.

We love our cities but don't go through this process. Most of us would be uncomfortable praising our cities at the expense of others; we have no desire to offend.

And a good percentage of us (including me) like LA and think it is a great city.

So please Silverlake, all bull shit asside and from the heart, could you please explain this need to constantly elevate LA, constantly compare it to other cities and find them lacking, constantly ranking cities with LA at the top. Why do you do it. If we could understand the motivation, it would go a long, long way for us having a far more postiive relationship with you.

Nobody in the Midwest gives a flying fuck about the West Coast, at least in my social circles. Elitism there is totally self-imagined (although who doesn't love San Francisco). The East Coast definitely exudes an elitist attitude, and one visit to New York will justify it IMO.

Sorry buddy, but the Bronx, Queens and Brookyln dont exuded a etlist attitude at all. Like someone said, outside of a few select areas, the east coast is very silimar to the rest of the nation.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PujB8J6vyO8&search=south%20park%20hybrid

^ Everything that's wrong with coastal elitism is summed up in that video.


That video was hilarious!!

The East coast is NOT as elitist as it seems...

While places like the Upper East Side, Georgetown, and Beacon Hill, universities like the Ivy League have their coastal elitists...the vast majority of cities on the east coast are as working class as similar cities in the Midwest or South...I'm sure the West coast is the same...

The people Silverlake talks about being the "trendiest, hippest, fastest, most pretentious" are not a representative of the whole cities (talking about NY here)...these are the rich who fly back between NYC and LA many times....

Coastal elitism is a myth...when it comes to the majority.

This post is right on. Im from the east coast. The majority of people DO NOT stick up their noses to the rest of the country. I never understood why people think the east coast is so different, being from there. Its really not.

Here's the other part to that South Park episode (part 2 of 2):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0DsInunIFoI&search=South%20Park%201002

DAMN! This thread sure is fantastic. It reminds me of other fantastic threads SILVERLAKE has started in the past.....







LA TIMES TO BE FREED!!!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=362537)

All points seem to point to the LA Times to be free from the Ultra Conservative Midwest Media Conglomerate! We can be have a great paper again, not some right-wing penny pinching fluff paper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Penelope Cruz is officially an Angelino! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=9039426#post9039426)

That attitude is so conservative, so judgemental, so Midwest
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LA; THE CITY THAT NEVER SLEEPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=364903)

THIS IS ONE OF MANY THINGS THAT SEPARATES US FROM OUR FRIENDS TO THE NORTH, SAN FRANCISCO BECAUSE IT IS SO SMALL AND SO EXPENSIVE. ONLY IN NY WOULD YOU HAVE THIS SUB_CITY WITHIN THE CITY!!!!! SEE THIS IS WHAT MAKES LA SO GREAT. YOU CAN'T FIND ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN SF. ONLY IN NY.

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Theory (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=346600)

Is a city's "coolness" measured by its Asian Immigrant population?

It seems like the coolest cities LA, NY and SF have big Asian populations?

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TO LIVE AND BUY IN LA!!!!!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=358106)

LET THE MIDDLE CLASS LOSERS MOVE TO THE MIDWEST. WELL TAKE THE PEOPLE THAT GOT THAT EXTRA SUMETHIN SUMETHIN TO MAKE IT HERE IN THE BIG CITY.

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LA TIMES: Publisher Judith Regan's op/ed about how LA is the new creative center (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=205730)


Soon LA will be the literary and publishing center fo the US and World like it is for film and TV. Then the culture war between east and west coast will be over and LA will be victor.

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Those crazy Manhattanites (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=317500)

While it was snowing 2 feet of snow in manhattan. It was 84 degrees yesterday in LA. I don't see how anyone would chose Manhattan over LA unless of course you worked on Wall St. But even then, with technology, can't you work anywhere? I think it will be just a matter of time before LA dwarfs NY in pop (metro pop as those are the true cities pop). Who wants to be in the cold 6 months of the year where you can live in an urban jewel and spend Sunday at the beach instead of tromping through knee high snow?

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Los Angeles goes to Utah (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=310864)

It is amazing how the when Angelinos make some place a destination it automatically becomes the most desirable place to be.

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LA's next Pritzker Winner!!!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=303061)

Now that LA is America's dominant architecture center.....

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LA!!! This is how we feel! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=168344&page=3&pp=20)

US Angelinos don't hate Chicago. We just don't see it as on the same tier as we are, that's all. LA has the allure of Paris, London, Hong Kong etc...A place where anything can happen, where the beautiful person behind those big sunglasses just might be famous.

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LA and NYC on TV and in the Movies (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=186431)

Do you think Chicagoans or Topekans would enjoy seeing their city broadcase worldwide 24/7? I bet they would.

LA is the stuff that dreams are made of.

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Marrying into LA royalty! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=180907)

NY is the past and LA is the future.

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CONGRATUATIONS USC!!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=166015)

The recent election and this forum make me view the victory as representative of Blue America vs Red American and the superiority of the coasts over the best of the midwest.

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^And if you thought that was impressive... You should see the contributions he makes to other peoples' threads!

Is SILVERLAKE for real? I don't think so, it's just not possible. He's got to be doing this for a reaction, and probably isn't even from LA...

I'm drunk. I'm Jewish. I'm from St. Louis. that rhymes.

I'm drunk. I'm Jewish. I'm from St. Louis. that rhymes.

pottebaum was more than kind to compile the "Best of Silverlake", but I am sure that even he realizes that such reading can be tolerated far better if you are drunk. Or even better blind.

please note though, for all he has to say, Silverlake continues to avoid my question (admittedly painful for it takes a large degree of difficult introspection). Still I ask again:

SILVERLAKE, WHAT NEED INSIDE YOU MAKES YOU WANT TO RAISE L.A. TO THE LEVEL OF UNDISPUTED BEST CITY IN THE WORLD?

WHAT MAKES IT NECESSARY FOR US TO ALL AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT L.A. AND ALL ITS CHARMS?

WHY DO YOU FEEL IT NECESSARY TO PUT DOWN OUR CITIES OR TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT OTHER CITIES ARE ON THE SAME LEVEL AS L.A.?

WHY DO YOU DISRESPECT US SO?

Silverlake, you have been able to speak at great length on many subjects. Don't you think you could give the information on this one, one which I assure you would be more interesting to us than the constant LA praising posts? Don't you think it would be far more helpful and healthy for you to open this topic, talk it through and actually grow from the experience?

Please, I ask again: share with us.

I'm drunk. I'm Jewish. I'm from St. Louis. that rhymes.


There once was a Jew from St. Louis
A city whose beer often brews us
But this Jew preferred wine
Which might have been fine
"cept he purple pissed Mogan David in the sewers

DAMN! This thread sure is fantastic. It reminds me of other fantastic threads SILVERLAKE has started in the past.....







LA TIMES TO BE FREED!!!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=362537)



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Penelope Cruz is officially an Angelino! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=9039426#post9039426)


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LA; THE CITY THAT NEVER SLEEPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=364903)



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Theory (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=346600)



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TO LIVE AND BUY IN LA!!!!!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=358106)



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LA TIMES: Publisher Judith Regan's op/ed about how LA is the new creative center (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=205730)



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Those crazy Manhattanites (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=317500)



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Los Angeles goes to Utah (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=310864)



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LA's next Pritzker Winner!!!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=303061)



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LA!!! This is how we feel! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=168344&page=3&pp=20)



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LA and NYC on TV and in the Movies (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=186431)



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Marrying into LA royalty! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=180907)



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CONGRATUATIONS USC!!!!! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=166015)



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^And if you thought that was impressive... You should see the contributions he makes to other peoples' threads!


HOLY CRAP. TALK ABOUT GETTING TOTALLY OWNED.

I always new Silverlake was a snob, but taking all of his comments together into one post, it's seriously just too much. And he wants us to believe that these coastal snob opinions are not his own? Quite honestly whoever this Silverlake person is, he is by FAR the biggest snob I have ever seen in my ENTIRE life of 27 years! Just look at those posts! Online, offline, whatever: the biggest snob I've ever seen bar none, in any city, location, forum, whatever. I am not kidding. No one is that provincial, insular, ignorant, and arrogant all at the same time though. I just don't see it being possible. My only explanation is that he is trying to get a rise out of people and doesn't really believe all of that. Either that or this person is very young and has lived in one corner of the country his whole life and hasn't done much travelling, and when we are young we all say stupid stuff that has no bearing on reality, and we all think our city is the center of the universe.

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Originally Posted by SILVERLAKE
Is a city's "coolness" measured by its Asian Immigrant population?

It seems like the coolest cities LA, NY and SF have big Asian populations?

This is my favorite it's so fucking delusional. Silverlake king dipshit.

I can't respond to all of this. AND this is soooooooooooooooo way off topic. But one small point, I don't raise LA to undisputed best city in the world. I think it is undisputed second biggest most important city in the US.


pottebaum was more than kind to compile the "Best of Silverlake", but I am sure that even he realizes that such reading can be tolerated far better if you are drunk. Or even better blind.

please note though, for all he has to say, Silverlake continues to avoid my question (admittedly painful for it takes a large degree of difficult introspection). Still I ask again:

SILVERLAKE, WHAT NEED INSIDE YOU MAKES YOU WANT TO RAISE L.A. TO THE LEVEL OF UNDISPUTED BEST CITY IN THE WORLD?

WHAT MAKES IT NECESSARY FOR US TO ALL AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT L.A. AND ALL ITS CHARMS?

WHY DO YOU FEEL IT NECESSARY TO PUT DOWN OUR CITIES OR TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT OTHER CITIES ARE ON THE SAME LEVEL AS L.A.?

WHY DO YOU DISRESPECT US SO?

Silverlake, you have been able to speak at great length on many subjects. Don't you think you could give the information on this one, one which I assure you would be more interesting to us than the constant LA praising posts? Don't you think it would be far more helpful and healthy for you to open this topic, talk it through and actually grow from the experience?

Please, I ask again: share with us.

I think it is undisputed second biggest most important city in the US.

And it is.

But that don't mean you gotta be a coastal elitist about it. I mean, asshole.

It's the second largest; that's for sure. But many would dispute it being the second most important.

And that drives SILVERLAKE caaa-raaazy!

...you guys are still bitching about this?

Lol @ your sig.

Pinche cheerleader

Social Register (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_register)
The Maintenance of Privilege (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Economics/MaintenancePrivilege.html)
How do you get listed on the Social Register? (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_032.html)
Regarding my column on the Social Register, Gregory Nigosian refers me to geographer Stephen Richard Higley's recent book Privilege, Power, and Place: The Geography of the American Upper Class, which maps out where rich folks live based on their listings in the 1988 edition.

Higley confirms what everybody suspected: the SR is heavily skewed toward old money and the East Coast. The seaboard states from Maine to Virginia account for two-thirds of the listings

hmm...well here's one thing Coastalite Californians have over fellow Californians who live inland....LOL.

CALIFORNIA
Greenery sucking up more of state's water
Patrick Hoge, Chronicle Staff Writer

Thursday, July 13, 2006

http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/07/13/ba_water_used.jpg

Thirsty home landscaping, particularly lawns, will suck up an increasingly burdensome amount of water in California over the next 25 years unless big changes are made, according to a new report by the Public Policy Institute of California.

The state is expected to add 11 million new residents by 2030, and at least half are expected to locate in hotter, inland areas where single-family homes with lush lawns are popular, according to the report.

"Do the math,'' said study co-author Ellen Hanak, an economist with the institute in San Francisco. "We're facing the prospect of many more people with more lawns and gardens in the states hottest, driest regions. That adds up to a lot of water."

Landscaping currently accounts for at least half of all residential water demand, according to the report.

Without new conservation efforts, the amount of water going to outdoor landscaping is predicted to rise by 1.2 million acre feet a year -- enough to serve roughly 4.8 million people. California cities and suburbs currently use about 9 million acre-feet of water a year.

Water-conservation experts have focused for decades on cutting residential water use, and numerous Bay Area water agencies and local governments promote conservation.

Those programs range from education campaigns to actually paying people to remove turf. Hanak estimated that conservation could cut future landscape water demand by 25 to 35 percent.

Nancy Levine of north Berkeley is helping. Today a landscaper will install a drought-tolerant garden in front of her house.

A native New Yorker, Levine has lived through droughts on both coasts and does not like to use much water for anything, even showering.

"I kind of let the plants in front die, so now I'm replacing them with ones that don't need so much water," she said.

Assemblyman John Laird, D-Santa Cruz, is pushing legislation to implement recommendations from a state-sponsored landscape task force. The group's January report offered 43 recommendations it said could save enough water to serve 2 million households.

One recommendation Laird embraced was to require landscape water meters for new developments where the size of the landscaped area is 5,000 square-feet or greater.

Hanak's report concludes that given the state's historic love affair with lawns, land-use patterns influence water demand more than climate in future demand projections.

It shows that future shortages could be exacerbated by the dominance of single-family homes on relatively large lots in the state's fast growing interior -- particularly the greater Sacramento region, the San Joaquin Valley and the Inland Empire in Southern California -- where much of the future projected growth is expected.

The hotter inland climates can force homeowners to use two to three times more water than owners in coastal areas, Hanak's report states.

As a result, landscaping in inland areas typically accounts for over half of all residential water use, as compared to coastal regions, where landscaping use accounts for a third of water use, according to the report.

Bob Drobny, manager of Zamora Sod Farm in Chico, which sells sod from Yuba City to the Oregon border, said his company has been doing strong business as the inland population has boomed.

"You almost can't buy a house that isn't landscaped in the front and back with grass being an integral part of it,'' Drobny said.

The report does not suggest that people get rid of lawns altogether, simply that they get rid of grass where they do not need it, for example front yards.

Even with people who are concerned about the environment, however, that could be a tough sell.

Joseph Nykodym, a Walnut Creek attorney, installed an automatic watering system 10 years ago and makes his own compost because he cares about the environment.

But Nykodym still has a 400 square-foot front lawn, as well as a backyard lawn. He likes the lawn because, among other reasons, "it's nice and it's soft."

E-mail Patrick Hoge at phoge@sfchronicle.com.

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We must ignore him, guys. He just wants a little attention.

Why ignore Bay_Area? Is it because he is a coastal elitist?

^He was talking about you.

Interesting, I also heard farms use 80 percent of California's water for irrigation...

Is this true..?

Why ignore Bay_Area? Is it because he is a coastal elitist?
OH SILVERLAKE...you are so Harvard-Westlake

You should really check out Chicago someday, its truly a sophisticated city that easily compares to NY, LA and SF as far as "elitist" worthy attributes are concerned.

Interesting, I also heard farms use 80 percent of California's water for irrigation...
Yeah, they use the most water...someone mentioned how nonsensical it is to have waterlogged rice fields in a naturally arid location such as California-but those farmers have a powerful lobby.

uh, plus we do need to eat though :cheers:

reggeaton didnt start in New York and it definatle did not start in Miami it started in Puerto Rico and Daddy yankee began his career in San Juan not in New York.But I see what your saying.

daddy yankee started his career in the bronx. he was born in pr but moved in with his family in the bronx. that's where his career started. he even said ny is his home.

But I still have yet to hear nuyorican regueton I like. I rather enjoy a few artists still living in PR, like Calle 13.

Yeah, they use the most water...someone mentioned how nonsensical it is to have waterlogged rice fields in a naturally arid location such as California-but those farmers have a powerful lobby.


Mandatory relocation to the Carolinas? Logical, but seems to go against the American dream, haha.

Yeah, they use the most water...someone mentioned how nonsensical it is to have waterlogged rice fields in a naturally arid location such as California-but those farmers have a powerful lobby.

uh, plus we do need to eat though :cheers:
I thought there were some desalination plants being built in California to help ease the water problem.

California have more water than most people think, but as mentioned its being wasted by the farmers. From what I've read, there is new technology out there to use water more wisely in farming, but they (farmers) don't want to spend the money.

I think Santa Barbara may have a desaltination plant. Long Beach also has a pilot program for several years now. I think all of the city and government buildings are using salt water that has been treated. I know I read it somewhere about all of the city services on this program. Anyway its often mentioned in the local paper about Long Beach being the leader in the pack of California cities experimenting with this.

i DON'T KNOW WHY i'M SAYING THIS, but w/e, reggaeton didn't start in miami,puerto rico, or new york, it was started in panama.

Mandatory relocation to the Carolinas? Logical, but seems to go against the American dream, haha.
:weirdo:

Mandatory relocation to the Carolinas? Logical, but seems to go against the American dream, haha.

Mandatory relocation to the Carolinas, specifically Western North Carolina, is only in effect for Florida and much of the Midwest. There are times, especially in the summer, when there've got to be tumbleweeds blowing down the deserted streets of Sarasota and Cincinnati. There are so many Floridians and Ohioans tooling around in their rental cars that there can't possibly be anybody left back home.

OK, I'll bite...only because it's always fun to poke the bear... :)

Geez, Silverlake, what about Los Angeles' contribution to the spread of HIV?
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5437a3.htm

Or how about visitor's agonizing experiences with LA's hotels?
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g32655-d268977-r3744038-Hollywood_Downtowner_Inn-Los_Angeles_California.html

Or maybe something about the bad drivers in LA?
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/24672059.html

Or maybe the disgusting urban planning?
http://www.sierraclub.org/sprawl/report98/angeles.asp

Or the incomparable ugliness of its architecture?
http://www.opinionet.com/article.php?id=2941

I kid. Every city in the country can lay claim to good and bad. LA is not immune to either. However what is good about LA does not necessarily translate to other cities. Silverlake doesn't seem to recognize that human beings prefer a WIDE range of experiences. There is no "ideal" climate, design, or "place to be." What Silverlake lacks is the experience to see that people like differing things.

Not everybody desires the life in LA. Even though he might not understand why.

But that is his shortcoming, not ours.

I can't pass this up.

Chicago>>>Mike Royko
San Francisco>>>Herb Caen

One of these men was the epitome of the twentieth century urban columnist. One of these men was a glorified society columnist.

One of these men used his column to champion the "little guy" and to poke a stick in the eye of power, wealth and privilege--and in a couple of cases got some indictments in the process. One of these men used his column to toady to and celebrate the powerful--and in the process became nothing more than a bootlicker to the wealthy.

One of these men won a Pulitzer Prize. One of these men is mentioned in journalism schools only in the context of "don't let this happen to you"

One of these men spent his entire life in the city that he's associated with. One of these men moved to that city as a young adult and spent the rest of his life overcompensating by trumpeting its greatness.

I can't pass this up.
Why not? You have something important at stake in this silly ass thread?

Chicago>>>Mike Royko
San Francisco>>>Herb Caen

One of these men was the epitome of the twentieth century urban columnist. One of these men was a glorified society columnist.

One of these men used his column to champion the "little guy" and to poke a stick in the eye of power, wealth and privilege--and in a couple of cases got some indictments in the process. One of these men used his column to toady to and celebrate the powerful--and in the process became nothing more than a bootlicker to the wealthy.

One of these men won a Pulitzer Prize. One of these men is mentioned in journalism schools only in the context of "don't let this happen to you"

One of these men spent his entire life in the city that he's associated with. One of these men moved to that city as a young adult and spent the rest of his life overcompensating by trumpeting its greatness.

Herb Caen was endearing and loved by San Franciscans and his column was light fare-wasnt meant to change the world, just raise a brow here and there.

I dont understand your reasoning in the least.

I can't pass this up.

Chicago>>>Mike Royko
San Francisco>>>Herb Caen

One of these men was the epitome of the twentieth century urban columnist. One of these men was a glorified society columnist.

One of these men used his column to champion the "little guy" and to poke a stick in the eye of power, wealth and privilege--and in a couple of cases got some indictments in the process. One of these men used his column to toady to and celebrate the powerful--and in the process became nothing more than a bootlicker to the wealthy.

One of these men won a Pulitzer Prize. One of these men is mentioned in journalism schools only in the context of "don't let this happen to you"

One of these men spent his entire life in the city that he's associated with. One of these men moved to that city as a young adult and spent the rest of his life overcompensating by trumpeting its greatness.

Sam, I'm not sure why you posted the above. I didn't think that SF was doing any kind of battle with Chgo here. And besides, for all of San Francisco's greatness, it would fully admit that it was never one of America's great newspaper towns.

Meanwhile, Royoko aside, wouldn't a more accurate statement be Herb Caen=Irv Kupcinet.....love of home town has been a hallmark of both columnists.

Meanwhile today, we have no Royoko in Chicago (especially not the idiot in the Trib that took his place), while San Francisco (Chron) has Mike Molford who is terrific.

Sam, I'm not sure why you posted the above. I didn't think that SF was doing any kind of battle with Chgo here. And besides, for all of San Francisco's greatness, it would fully admit that it was never one of America's great newspaper towns.

Meanwhile, Royoko aside, wouldn't a more accurate statement be Herb Caen=Irv Kupcinet.....love of home town has been a hallmark of both columnists.

Meanwhile today, we have no Royoko in Chicago (especially not the idiot in the Trib that took his place), while San Francisco (Chron) has Mike Molford who is terrific.

No serious offense meant. Seeing as this thread was something of a joke to begin with, it couldn't do any harm.

SIlverlake, you aren't a moron, you just need to wake the hell up. Why don't you for once just drop your perception of how "Middle America "flyover country" could NEVER be as great as the almighty coasts" and actually visit Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis etc.? America is so much more than your perception of it. You are really missing out on a great part of this country.