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Phoenician Empire July 16th, 2006, 10:47 AM Israels destruction in Lebanon
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Lebanese national anthem
Koulluna Lil watan Lil ’Oula Lil Alam,
Mil ’ou Ayn il Zaman Sayfouna Wal Qalam,
Sahlouna Wal jabal - Manbiton Lirrijal
Kawlouna Wal 'Amal. Fi sabil il Kamal.
Koullouna Lil watan Lil ’Oula Lil 'ALam, Koullouna Lil watan.
Shaykhouna Wal fata 'Inda saout il Watan
Ousdou GhaBin Mata Sawarat Nalfitan
Sharkouna Kalbouhou AbaDan Loubnan
Sanahou RabBouhou Li maDa l Azman
Koullouna Lil watan Lil ’Oula Lil 'ALam, Koullouna Lil watan.
Bahrouhou Barrouhou Dourratou Sharqain
Rifdouhou Birrouhou Mali ‘oul Koutbain
Ismouhou 'Izzouhou Mounthou Kan al Joudoud
Majdouhou Arzouhou Ramzouhou Lil khouloud
Koullouna Lil watan Lil ’Oula Lil 'ALam, Koullouna Lil watan.
English translation
Us all! for our nation, for our emblem and glory!
Our valor and our writings are the envy of the ages.
Our mountains and our valleys, they bring forth stalwart men.
And to Perfection all our efforts we devote.
Us all! For our nation, for our emblem and glory!
Our Elders and our children, they await our Country's call,
And on the Day of Crisis they are as Lions of the Jungle.
The heart of our East is ever Lebanon,
May God preserve her until the end of time.
Us all! For our nation, for our emblem and glory!
The Gems of the East are her land and sea.
Throughout the world her good deeds flow from pole to pole.
And her name is her glory since time began.
Immortality's Symbol--the Cedar--is her Pride.
Us all! For our nation, for our emblem and glory!.
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Jayme July 16th, 2006, 11:17 AM oh god thats terrable
dark- July 16th, 2006, 11:21 AM http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5186037,00.jpg
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DG July 16th, 2006, 02:43 PM my god
Shayan_m July 16th, 2006, 03:14 PM It is so sad to see a wonderful country such a Lebanon being destroyed. They had just recovered from that terrible civil war, and now this :(
Phoenician Empire July 16th, 2006, 05:36 PM The flattened area of rubble is what is left of the Hezbollah headquarters in the suburbs of Beirut, Lebanon, after Israeli air strikes reduced them to rubble early Sunday morning, July 16, 2006. Israeli war planes bombed a major power station south of Beirut on Sunday as Lebanon reeled under five days of air and sea strikes that have killed more than 100 people, mostly civilians, and damaged much of its infrastructure.(AP Photo/Issam Kobeisi)
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Mariam Shihabiyah, 39, a divorced mother of five, carries her pillows as she leaves a bombed area of the southern suburbs where her apartment is situated in Beirut, Lebanon Sunday, July 16, 2006. After days of airstrikes concentrated on the densely populated residential area near the destroyed Hezbollah headquarters, Shihabiyah returned to salvage belongings from her apartment, minutes before another series of airstrikes hit the area. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis)
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Marwa Abdallah, who survived Saturday's attack on a van in Tyre where twenty people where killed, rests at a hospital in Saida, south Lebanon July 16, 2006. Israeli air raids shook Beirut on Sunday, the fifth day of a devastating assault on Hizbollah and Lebanon that has prompted no U.N. Security Council action and only a mild plea for restraint from Israel's U.S. ally. REUTERS/Haidar Hawila (LEBANON)
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Lebanese citizens survey the damages after an Israeli air raid on Zebqine, 85km south of Beirut. Iran has rallied behind allies Hezbollah and Syria, praising the Lebanese Shiite militant movement's battle against "infected tumour" Israel and warning the Jewish state against widening the conflict.(AFP/Moustafa Hammoud)
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Medics run to rescue survivors in a building that was hit by Israeli air strikes in Nabatiyeh, south Lebanon july 16,2006. Israeli air raids shook Beirut on Sunday, the fifth day of a devastating assault on Hizbollah and Lebanon that has prompted no U.N. Security Council action and only a mild plea for restraint from Israel's U.S. ally. REUTER/Kamel Jaber (LEBANON)
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A firefighter extinguishes a fire at a plastic factory in Tyre, south Lebanon July 16, 2006, after it was hit by Israeli airstrikes. Israeli air raids shook Beirut on Sunday, the fifth day of a devastating assault on Hizbollah and Lebanon that has prompted no U.N. Security Council action and only a mild plea for restraint from Israel's U.S. ally. REUTERS/Haidar Hawila. (LEBANON)
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Doaa, 7, wounded during an Israeli airstrike and rescued from the rubble of her destroyed family house in the southern Lebanese village of Ebba, is seen at the hospital in the village of Toul, Sunday July 16, 2006. Israeli airstrikes reduced entire apartment buildings to rubble and knocked out electricity in swaths of the Lebanese capital Beirut Sunday, and Israel dramatically escalated the ferocity of its campaign after Hezbollah rockets hit the northern Israeli portcity of Haifa. (AP Photo/Mohammed Zaatari)
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ATTENTION EDITORS - VISUALS COVERAGE OF SCENES OF DEATH OR INJURY Medics inspect a three-year-old boy who was injured in Nabatiyeh, south Lebanon July 16, 2006. Israeli air raids shook Beirut on Sunday, the fifth day of a devastating assault on Hizbollah and Lebanon that has prompted no U.N. Security Council action and only a mild plea for restraint from Israel's U.S. ally. REUTERS/Kamel Jaber.(LEBANON)
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People search in the rubble of a house for survivors after an Israeli warplane missile struck the southern Lebanese village of Zebdine, near the market town of Nabatiyeh, Sunday July 16, 2006. Israeli airstrikes reduced entire apartment buildings to rubble and knocked out electricity in swaths of the Lebanese capital Beirut Sunday, and Israel dramatically escalated the ferocity of its campaign after Hezbollah rockets hit the northern Israeli portcity of Haifa. (AP Photo/Mohammed Zaatari)
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Hebrewtext July 16th, 2006, 08:21 PM Israel did'nt respond just for the kidnapping of 2 soldiers,
Hizbullah is attacking Israel and shelling towns almost each month at the past years:
press-Hizbullah attacks Israel (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/results.html?st=advanced&QryTxt=hizbullah+&sortby=REVERSE_CHRON&datetype=6&frommonth=01&fromday=01&fromyear=2000&tomonth=07&today=16&toyear=2005&By=&Title=hizbullah+&Sect=ALL)
LeB-iT July 16th, 2006, 09:22 PM ^^i see ur happy with the pics posted...
DG July 16th, 2006, 10:21 PM it is a mass destruction
Phoenician Empire July 16th, 2006, 10:41 PM Smoke rises from a fuel tank at Beirut international airport after it was hit by Israeli warplanes July 16, 2006. REUTERS/George Maroun.(LEBANON)
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Smoke from an Israeli air raid on a Hezbollah position in the Ouzai neighborhood of Beirut. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that the United States is readying plans to evacuate thousands of its citizens trapped in Lebanon, under attack from Israel since Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers.(AFP/Hosam Chebaro)
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Lebanese Red Cross workers search for survivors in a building hit in an Israeli air raid on Zebqine, 85km south of Beirut. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that the United States is readying plans to evacuate thousands of its citizens trapped in Lebanon, under attack from Israel since Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers.(AFP/Moustafa Hammoud)
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Israeli policemen arrest an activist during a demonstration against Israel's offensives in Lebanon in Tel Aviv, July 16, 2006. Rockets fired by Hizbollah guerrillas killed eight people in the Israeli city of Haifa on Sunday and bombs shook Beirut as Israel pursued a five-day-old assault in Lebanon aimed at crippling the Shi'ite Muslim group. REUTERS/Eliana Aponte (ISRAEL)
Smoke rises from Ouzaei after it was hit by Israeli planes in Beirut July 16, 2006. Israeli air raids strike Beirut on the fifth day of bombardment. REUTERS/Adnan Hajj. (LEBANON)
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Black smoke rises after new Israeli attacks on the Hezbollah stronghold in the southern suburbs of Beirut, Lebanon during Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah's televised speech Sunday, July 16, 2006. Nasrallah said Sunday that his guerrillas were 'in their full strength and power' after a five-day Israeli bombardment, and said the battle had just begun. (AP Photo/Kevork Djansezian)
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lebgurl July 16th, 2006, 10:47 PM Keep the faith!! it will ALL come back better than ever ... it's a good thing Harriri isn't alive to see his hard work destroyed!!!!
please sign the petition and get your friends to join in. It was created yesterday and there are already 8873 signatures! I waited 5 minutes and refreshed and 48 signatures were added... KEEP THAT NUMBER UP!!!
plus, lebanese forumers, please add it to ur signatures or mention it when you go to other forums!!!
http://epetitions.net/julywar/
Phoenician Empire July 16th, 2006, 11:07 PM ------------------
cladiv July 16th, 2006, 11:10 PM I signed the petition and sent the link to all people I know.
I feel that's the least I could do....
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Jayme July 16th, 2006, 11:25 PM thats the worst anyone sould go though , n there is there german flag from the world cup
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OMG she's holding her keys!! :(
lebgurl July 17th, 2006, 12:06 AM Downtown Beirut and Monot on friday night... pretty expressive of the economy
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Jayme July 17th, 2006, 12:17 AM its a ghost town, where did u find those pics
koolkid July 17th, 2006, 12:18 AM This is a complete disaster. Anyone supporting this madness is out of their mind! Talk about terrorist...
:no:
-koolkid
Peloso July 17th, 2006, 12:19 AM I wish all the courage and luck in this difficult moment to all the Lebanese people.
lebgurl July 17th, 2006, 12:29 AM its a ghost town, where did u find those pics
ina forum ... i cant remember which tho
Bosanac July 17th, 2006, 01:05 AM Wow, such horrible pictures.:( I as a Bosnian can very much relate to what you guys went through. Sarajevo is recovering from the distruction of war much like Beirut is/was and I can only imagine how horrible it would be if it got bombed again like Beirut is right now. I really feel for you guys and wish you all the best. Hopefully the aggression on your county will stop soon.
So sad to see such a beautiful city being bombed after all the hard reconstruction work. :(
Nadini July 17th, 2006, 02:37 AM Yeah downtown is a COMPLETE ghost town. I went there yesterday night and I spoke with a Cnn guy, it is just horrible and heartbreakening seing this, the downtown was suppose to be filled with tourists and people difficult to get to places from all the visitors!! I hope this ends soon.
boricuba July 17th, 2006, 02:57 AM I am Puerto rican and we live in Puerto Rico But My Grandfather and Grandmother are Libanese they are very worry about one very old brother they have that leaves in Beirut and a Nephew that lives near tripoli up north.
Lebanese goverment should have controled Hezbollah crazy radicals they have been destroying beutifull lebanon with there terrorist acts and anticts. Israel is not going to stop until it completely destroyes Hezbollah. I really want israel to stop bombing my parents country which they really love but at the same time i feel that Israel was provoque into war!!!!
Peloso July 17th, 2006, 03:05 AM I really want israel to stop bombing my parents country which they really love but at the same time i feel that Israel was provoque into war!!!!
Sadly it's not with feelings that one can understand what really is going on, only by informing oneself from reliable sources.
Krazy July 17th, 2006, 03:18 AM lebgurl ur petition link in ur signature isnt working
lebgurl July 17th, 2006, 03:22 AM ^^ LOL oops ... thank u sweetie .. fixed
Krazy July 17th, 2006, 03:49 AM great
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**Warning**
The following link has shocking photos of child casualties
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-have-just-received-these-pictures.html
Jayme July 17th, 2006, 08:21 AM Edit
WARNING THIS WEBISTE CONTAINS GRAPIC PHOTOS DONT SAY I DIDNT WARN U
Red aRRow July 17th, 2006, 08:38 AM This is making me even more depressed than I already was after watching the news on tv. :(
Ahmet Altan July 17th, 2006, 08:40 AM I ask the mods to delete that link, it serves no purpose and is extremely disturbing, please.
Lebanese Cedar July 17th, 2006, 08:41 AM Israel used Hezbollah's kidnapping of the two soldiers as its ticket to come into Lebanon and start destroying it and killing its people.
God Bless Lebanon, we shall not surrender.
Red aRRow July 17th, 2006, 08:43 AM Lebanon should have had a proper military to answer back the Israelis in kind. Alas nobody learnt anything from their last experiences in that region.
Ahmet Altan July 17th, 2006, 08:48 AM ^^they should have had the power to oust Hezbollah from their country, then this wouldn't have happened. :(
Lebanese Cedar July 17th, 2006, 09:08 AM ^^they should have had the power to oust Hezbollah from their country, then this wouldn't have happened. :(
This would spark a civil war and that's the government wouldn't dare to try it.
Ahmet Altan July 17th, 2006, 09:10 AM This would spark a civil war and that's the government wouldn't dare to try it.What percentage of the population do you think supports Hezbollah then?
I was so happy to see all the beautiful pics posted of Beirut in the last months, I hope it'll be possible to repair the enormous damage. :(
Hassoun July 17th, 2006, 09:13 AM it's obviusly more than the kidnapping of the two sodiers,they hate lebanon,all our neighbours against us,but we r lebanese,We always win in the end.Israel should withdraw from shebaa farms,make the prisoners swap and hizbullah should disarm itself.End of discussion,u can't just disarm hizbullah For free,u see how israelis are terrorists,they only way hizbullah will disram itself,is when the whole world will be sure israel won't attack lebanon"or occupy's"lebanon again,not just words,we don't need words.
sargon July 17th, 2006, 09:40 AM it's obviusly more than the kidnapping of the two sodiers,they hate lebanon,all our neighbours against us,but we r lebanese,We always win in the end.Israel should withdraw from shebaa farms,make the prisoners swap and hizbullah should disarm itself.End of discussion,u can't just disarm hizbullah For free,u see how israelis are terrorists,they only way hizbullah will disram itself,is when the whole world will be sure israel won't attack lebanon"or occupy's"lebanon again,not just words,we don't need words.
You are wrong Hassoun, not all of your neighbours are against Lebanon
Nadini July 17th, 2006, 09:41 AM ^^ I think he meant Syria and Israel by neighbours. (literally our neighbours)
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Hassoun July 17th, 2006, 07:14 PM Edit
Arpels July 17th, 2006, 07:47 PM This would spark a civil war and that's the government wouldn't dare to try it.
:( is a very delicate case in fact.
boricuba July 17th, 2006, 07:48 PM There are victims in both side. But offcourse Isreael is the stronghest country so there will probably be more victims on the Lebaneese side.
But we have to be honest Hezbollah cause this war!!!!!
The prime Ministers of Lebanon is Scare of Hezbollah!! and this shows on an interview conducted by american tv news channel CNN he does not condemn publicly Hezbollah actions.
Like i said before i am Puerto rican with lebaneese blood and i due feel for that beutifull land but this Hezbollah has to be dissarm so it does not hold the people of Lebanon Hostage anymore!!!!
I know thar prime minister have ask personally President Bush to ask Israelis attacks on Lebanon to stop but this is not going to happen! Bush feels that Lebanon brought this problem on itself for letting Hezbollah continue attacks oon Israel and in violation of UN resoulution which calls for the disarmament of Hezbollah and control of the Libaneese army in the south. The goverment of lebanon had 6 years to due that!!!!!
Hassoun July 17th, 2006, 08:26 PM Edit
JIM CARREY July 17th, 2006, 11:03 PM Edit
Jayme July 17th, 2006, 11:26 PM Edit
safqa_tijariya July 17th, 2006, 11:28 PM Edit
boricuba July 18th, 2006, 12:21 AM I think does comments from our israeli freinds are out of context and reflect the anger that is right now. Even thou i agree that Israel was provoque by Hezbollah this attitude does not help. There are allot of decent Arabs actually the majority only small radical groups give arabs a bad name so they must be disarm. Israel even thou it has done more than it has to bring peace there are historical issues of abuse that Israel has commited to arabs. I do agree that overall Israel is right but israel is not a saint.
To my freinds form Lebanon that agreed with Hezbollah in stablishing a Islamic Republic that is not fair to the other half of Lebaneese which are Christian denominations. What are you going to due divide the country in half!!!!!!
lebgurl July 18th, 2006, 12:29 AM lol to2 moot!!! tourism is dead on both sides of the border and Israel is losing billions of dollars!
RoM July 18th, 2006, 12:45 AM this thread should be closed
safqa_tijariya July 18th, 2006, 12:50 AM Edit
Sergei July 18th, 2006, 01:05 AM Edit
shayan July 18th, 2006, 01:32 AM Nadini can you ask for a ban on this jim carry guy? Merci...
But how can this happen? why isnt anyone helping Libanon... :"( after seeing these pictures i totally changed my mind this is not acceptable...
hamorabi July 18th, 2006, 01:36 AM Nadini can you ask for a ban on this jim carry guy? Merci...
But how can this happen? why isnt anyone helping Libanon... :"( after seeing these pictures i totally changed my mind this is not acceptable...
well, its very well known for israel to commit such atrocities and then play innocent and poor victim. so typical so dont be surprized.
shayan July 18th, 2006, 01:39 AM I understand... :"( Im sure that the majority of Israelies dont want this... This is probably the wish of a minority of rich sick zionists who hate everything different from them... They probably even hate the Tel aviv lifestyle... I hope that these extremist will see the consuquences of there actions one day...
hamorabi July 18th, 2006, 01:41 AM I understand... :"( Im sure that the majority of Israelies dont want this... This is probably the wish of a minority of rich sick zionists who hate everything different from them... They probably even hate the Tel aviv lifestyle... I hope that these extremist will see the consuquences of there actions one day...
i hate to say this, but hizballa is teaching them some manners right now;)
avicenna July 18th, 2006, 01:51 AM ban jim carrey now, please. NOW!
Harkeb July 18th, 2006, 02:03 AM Iraq 'had' weapons of mass destruction and it was attcked and invaded. Israel Use weapons of mass destruction, and it's called defense.
These pictures make me feel sick. I fell disgust and hatred that the western governments are sitting idly by and watch this massacre taking place. The same happened in Kosovo, the same happened in Rwanda.
Cerises July 18th, 2006, 02:16 AM ^^ Isreal can do whatever it wants because it has full support of the U.S. And it is because of U.S. aid that Israel remains stronger militarily. And so Israel isn't really acting alone if you think about it, it has full support of the United States! With that said however, both sides need to stop with the violence! I know it is easier said then done but what else can one say? The pictures are indeed disturbing and sad.
Krazy July 18th, 2006, 02:26 AM I will let Nadini clean this thread and open it again if she wants to. For now it's closed.
Nadini July 18th, 2006, 07:39 AM Thank you Krazy, this thread is cleansed and if it is ruined one more time from any local or outsider, this thread will be locked and the forumer who ignited a debate will be issued a ban. I know it is a hard issue to discuss but we need to respect both sides.
paku July 18th, 2006, 03:32 PM Edit: I'm moving my questions here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=9296390#post9296390)
shugs July 19th, 2006, 12:10 AM very very sad images... My heart goes out to the people of Lebanon, beh omid-e Khodah this will all be over soon
Magistrado July 19th, 2006, 05:58 AM My support from Mexico... I gonna pray for you all lebanese friends... :(
The good people who is peaceful and innocent of the murders by the terrorist or the israeli army... all of them dont deserve this destiny.
Herzeleid July 19th, 2006, 06:23 AM magistrado no te nubles la vista y llames a los israelies terroristas, solo ves lo q pasan por las noticias(q es solo su historia) y no sabes q en israel lanzan cientos de cohetes todos los diasy se han matado a muchos civiles, ahora dime si tu dejarias q los gringos te lanzaran cientos de cohetes y q el ejercito mexicano no haga nada, digo q estes del lado de israel, pero tampoco los llames terroristas sin saber la historia completa, saludos!!!
Nadini July 19th, 2006, 06:39 AM ^^ Lea las reglas, es necesario de traducir en inglés
Herzeleid July 19th, 2006, 06:50 AM sorry i wont post in spanish again :)
Magistrado July 19th, 2006, 09:02 AM sorry i wont post in spanish again :)
im not calling terrorist to the israelites, what i mean is that i hope the people who is not part of this problem, those who have never supported hezbollah or are not fighting as soldiers; the people who loves peace and have good will, keep safe and survive this crisis, from both sides.
shayan July 19th, 2006, 09:10 AM sorry i wont post in spanish again :)
translate it, or just remove it... I can also translate it for you these translation engines are becoming better and better these days....
Btw did they hit construction sites... and where is the most construction going on? in south beirut where most bombs are falling or in the north?? or in the west??
LeB-iT July 19th, 2006, 09:52 AM ^^no the construction is mainly based in the city center and the city proper...where they're hitting is a poor district in the south of Beirut...where most are hizballa supporters...
bola July 19th, 2006, 10:46 AM who is behind all this anyway??
I mean there has to be someone from Lebanon who started this and an Israel man who hates Lebanon so much to do this..
Bikes July 19th, 2006, 03:50 PM Just want to say respect to Nadini, you are a very good moderator, you are involved in this situation yourself and you can be still calm and balanced. !
hamorabi July 19th, 2006, 10:30 PM Israeli jets hit central Beirut
Wednesday 19 July 2006, 22:01 Makka Time, 19:01 GMT
Rescue crews helping a victim of an Israeli air raid
Israeli jets have hit central Beirut for the first time and dozens more people have been killed in continuing air attacks across south Lebanon, raising the toll there to about 295 people.
A truck in al-Ashrafiya district in central Beirut was struck by fire from an Israeli warship on Wednesday, the first time that central Beirut city had been hit.
Aljazeera's correspondent, Katia Nasir, reported that air raids had killed more than 55 people and destroyed much in the south during the day.
The fighting has killed about 295 people in Lebanon and 25 Israelis, mostly civilians.
In al-Srifa, at least 15 houses were completely demolished, the head of al-Srifa town municipality told Aljazeera.
News reports said at least 17 villagers, including several children, were killed and 30 wounded.
Afif Najdi, the mayor, said there had been a "massacre committed in Srifa".
"There are dozens dead and massive destruction. Emergency services are putting out fires [but] they cannot reach the houses to recover bodies," he said.
At least 29 other civilians were killed in air raids on other parts of south and east Lebanon, security sources said. Hezbollah said one of its fighters was killed in the fighting.
Ahmed Fatfat, the Lebanese acting interior minister, said Israel was trying to destroy Lebanon's infrastructure, not just defeat Hezbollah. "Are they turning it into a second Iraq?" he asked.
Red Cross hit
The International Red Cross told Aljazeera that they could not reach areas in Selaa town because of the destruction and road closures.
In al-Ansariya, a Red Cross centre was hit by an air raid, injuring a medic, Red Cross sources told Aljazeera.
Israeli tanks at the border
A car in Tyre was hit, injuring seven people, the correspondent said, and in al-Nabatiya, two women and three children were killed in their house.
Another Aljazeera correspondent in Lebanon, Basam al-Qadiri, reported that Israel had struck a house in Maarabun town, near Baalbek, killing five civilians.
Another strike hit al-Nabishit area near Baalbek damaging a two-storey building, killing and injuring people, he added.
Israeli warplanes also struck Luci town in west Bekaa.
A base of the Syrian-backed Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in the Bekaa was also hit, the PFLP said. The guerrilla group gave no word on casualties.
Beirut's international airport, which was forced to close last Thursday, was also targeted again. Two missiles struck the runway but no casualties were reported.
"The intensive fighting against the Hezbollah organisation shall continue," Israel's inner cabinet said, adding that it was to get back the soldiers and remove the group's threat.
Hezbollah has arrested more than 20 Lebanese and Palestinians they accuse of spying for Israel.
They are accused of providing Israel with information, including the coordinates of positions in Lebanon that Israel could target for shelling.
Border attacks
Israeli troops crossed the border to attack Hezbollah positions. Hezbollah claims six soldiers have been killed and 14 wounded.
The Israeli army earlier announced that two soldiers had died.
Military officials said Israeli troops crossed the border in search of tunnels and weapons.
Hezbollah said its fighters destroyed four tanks during the clashes near the border.
Two Israeli-Arab children were killed when a rocket hit a house in the northern Israeli town of Nazareth, a military spokesman said.
The two boys, aged three and seven, were playing outside when four rockets launched landed. Eighteen others were wounded in the attack.
Hezbollah has fired more than 70 rockets into northern Israel on Wednesday.
Israel said on Wednesday that its air strikes had destroyed "about 50%" of Hezbollah's arsenal.
The conflict has forced about 100,000 Lebanese to flee from their homes and many foreign citizens to evacuate.
Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said more than 500,000 people had been displaced and appealed for international help.
"I call on you to respond immediately and without reservation to our call for a ceasefire and to provide urgent international humanitarian aid," he said in a televised address.
Villagers in southern Lebanon said food, water and medical supplies were dwindling after roads and bridges were cut in the south.
The United Nations Children's Fund has appealed for $7.3 million to meet the immediate needs of women and children.
Aljazeera + Agencies
NorthPole July 19th, 2006, 11:31 PM Are all those demaged buildings (shown on the photos) located in the southern Beirut only or also in other areas of the city :? (I don't mean big civil infrastructures like airport, seaport, lighthouse or power plant. I mean residantial areas only.)
RAMTUC July 20th, 2006, 01:29 AM ˇUN HORROR ! EL SER HUMANO NO APRENDE DEL PASADO... VAYA TODA MI SOLIDARIDAD Y APOYO PARA EL PUEBLO LIBANES.ESPERO QUE NO SIGAN MATANDO MAS PERSONAS Y TAMBIEN ESPERO QUE NO DESTRUYAN LA BELLISIMA Y REFINADA CIUDAD DE BEIRUT.
crazyeight July 20th, 2006, 01:42 AM Just a quick question which I would appreciate any insight if anyone has some info to share: Are the Israelis still bombing the route to Syria?
I am asking this as my brother-in-law is looking to escape to Kuwait via Syria, but is too worried about taking the highway that to Damascus.
Thanks for the help!
Today the German embassy sent my cousin on a bus from Beirut to Tripoli to Tartous (syria) to Damascus which is supposed to be safe. I guess you should tell your brother in law to take that way.
Nadini July 20th, 2006, 06:21 AM this is the last warning, if you guys keep debating about this, I will lock this thread. No one cares who's arse is wider then the other, read the rules and if you don't like it, please go post somewhere else. It's a pain to come here and read all these unecessary comments over and over again. It's even more of a pain to delete all the messages which takes forever.
Kappa21 July 20th, 2006, 06:24 AM So whats this Blush night club?
i saw on ABC news? whats that club like?
Nadini July 20th, 2006, 06:29 AM The night club is chic, I like it. (btw Kappa can u please resize your font to a smaller size?, it is a policy in scc)
Kappa21 July 20th, 2006, 06:31 AM The night club is chic, I like it. (btw Kappa can u please resize your font to a smaller size?, it is a policy in scc)
what size is the norm?
chic?
Is it all ages?
Nadini July 20th, 2006, 07:06 AM size 10/12 font
livni July 20th, 2006, 07:20 AM Ashrafieh wont be targeted, all the destruction they blow out of proportion is
a small hizballa quarter in south beirut.
What will be targeted is anyone aiding hizballah, whether its trucks or any other logistic support.
If Siniora starts taking sides with hizballa as we've heard today, I also see the presidential compound of Lahoud as a legitimate target.
Also, if hizballa continues to move its operations and transmitions into civilian villages on the mountain I dont think there will be a choice but to hit there as well.
Hizballa is also firing now at shite villages in south lebanon preventing them to leave so they can continue using civilians as human shields, nothing new.
Nadini July 20th, 2006, 07:43 AM Ashrafieh wont be targeted, all the destruction they blow out of proportion is
If Siniora starts taking sides with hizballa as we've heard today, I also see the presidential compound of Lahoud as a legitimate target.
Well everyone is making deal out of the Ashrafiyeh bombing. It was nothing big, I went to it, it was out in the open, around a dirty field. It wasn't on the streets or anything that would harm the people.
As for seing the presidential compoud of Lahoud as a legitimate target, I think all Lebanese would be happy to see that lol. No one likes him, well I think.
Jayme July 20th, 2006, 08:03 AM Micheal Hayek pridecited that he was going to get Killed
my cusin emailed me this thing with his pridictions it was in Arabic i got my mum to read it
it had some really scary stuff on it
Hassoun July 21st, 2006, 04:42 PM lebanese baby injured.more than 100 lebanese children are now killed"martyred".
http://www.alarabiya.net/staging/portal/Archive/Media/2006/07/21/1253011.jpg
Assurbanipal July 21st, 2006, 05:04 PM I've assigned an petition and I am going to encourage my friends to do the same!
SpotlessMind July 21st, 2006, 05:58 PM Why was the Beirut airport bombed? I understand destroying Hezbollah centers but bombing such a vital point of the Lebanese infrastructure and economy is way out of the line! Shameful!
smussuw July 21st, 2006, 06:53 PM ^^ havent u heard? it has been used to bring weapons from Iran :rofl:
MexAmericanMoose July 21st, 2006, 07:31 PM i think it was because the Israelis thought that Hezbollah would try to ship the captured soldiers out of Lebanon and into Syria or Iran.....my condolences and prayers go out to the inocent Lebanese civilians
lebgurl July 21st, 2006, 11:37 PM well lets b honest .. they could not possibly b that stupid to actually think that they were still in lebanon when they started bombing ... they just wanted to make a point, and thats y they hit the airport .... they started the bombings hours after the kidnapping ... and I guarantee u, the soldiers were already in Iran by then.
lebgurl July 21st, 2006, 11:40 PM http://www.alarabiya.net/staging/portal/Archive/Media/2006/07/21/1253011.jpg
God bless that angel! Thank god he is well!!!
sargon July 22nd, 2006, 08:42 AM Well everyone is making deal out of the Ashrafiyeh bombing. It was nothing big, I went to it, it was out in the open, around a dirty field. It wasn't on the streets or anything that would harm the people.
As for seing the presidential compoud of Lahoud as a legitimate target, I think all Lebanese would be happy to see that lol. No one likes him, well I think.
No matter how bad he is, nobody will accept seing the presidential compoud being attacked by the Israeli Enemy. Still he is the president of Lebanon
Reina Pepiada July 22nd, 2006, 09:25 AM My Heart is with you Lebanon
I hope that madness ends up soon
regards from Venezuela
Hassoun July 22nd, 2006, 12:59 PM Gracias Isabella :)
cntower July 22nd, 2006, 01:50 PM Assuming if Lebanon had attacked Israel because the Israeli army had been occupying Lebanese land, I wonder how long it would take America to stop it or better yet what they would do. They fight for democracy and freedom? Lebanon was the most free and democratic country in the middle east for the love of god and they destoryed it!
BTW I have heard from SKY News from one Lebanese that chemical warfare had been used. Can someone help me out on that?
shayan July 22nd, 2006, 04:23 PM hehehe so why arent they bombing iran??
livni July 22nd, 2006, 04:38 PM Assuming if Lebanon had attacked Israel because the Israeli army had been occupying Lebanese land, I wonder how long it would take America to stop it or better yet what they would do. They fight for democracy and freedom? Lebanon was the most free and democratic country in the middle east for the love of god and they destoryed it!
BTW I have heard from SKY News from one Lebanese that chemical warfare had been used. Can someone help me out on that?
there is no end to the lies youre spreading, is there?
casawish July 22nd, 2006, 10:09 PM very touching pics ..may allah be with southern lebanon
Herzeleid July 22nd, 2006, 11:37 PM hehehe so why arent they bombing iran??
if u want i can call olmert to send a nuke and make a crater out of iran
shayan July 23rd, 2006, 03:21 PM bring it on :) i guess you people in israel wanna trade your hebrew language in for Persian.... we can take care of that no problem :)
eanov19 July 24th, 2006, 04:08 AM Just a haunting pic of Beirut that I came across.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7218/indexpo4.jpg
Kappa21 July 24th, 2006, 04:40 AM ^^ yea...pretty hunting to see Nasrallah on the tube speak ;)
livni July 24th, 2006, 07:43 AM ^^ notice they arent afraid to sit on the roof and watch tv..
so they know who is being targeted and why
Jayme July 24th, 2006, 07:50 AM i wood kick the TV over if i sur his face I hate him with a passion
SuperDog July 24th, 2006, 08:46 AM Lebanon....My heart weeps for you....But you must do something about Hezbollah.
Although I do think that Israel has gone too far.....What was Hezbollah thinking when they ambushed the Israeli troops and killed and kidnapped the soldiers? Did they think that Israel was going to sit back?
These are the same terrorist that killed the 250 plus US marines in their barracks. I do remember.
Hezbollah must be eliminated from Lebanese society. A modern progressive country like Lebanion has no room for foolish extrimism. ( this also includes Israeli Zionist extrimist) I wish that two secular states can live side by side.
God, the creator of the universe, has nothing to do with man's foolishness.
safqa_tijariya July 24th, 2006, 02:46 PM Lebanon....My heart weeps for you....But you must do something about Hezbollah.
Although I do think that Israel has gone too far.....What was Hezbollah thinking when they ambushed the Israeli troops and killed and kidnapped the soldiers? Did they think that Israel was going to sit back?
These are the same terrorist that killed the 250 plus US marines in their barracks. I do remember.
Hezbollah must be eliminated from Lebanese society. A modern progressive country like Lebanion has no room for foolish extrimism. ( this also includes Israeli Zionist extrimist) I wish that two secular states can live side by side.
God, the creator of the universe, has nothing to do with man's foolishness.
they destroyed lebanon's infrastructure... lebanon needs a minimum of 6 years to be able to rebuild all that which will have a huge impact on the economy...
Israel went too far they should have just hit the hezbollah regions..
livni July 24th, 2006, 11:13 PM they destroyed lebanon's infrastructure... lebanon needs a minimum of 6 years to be able to rebuild all that which will have a huge impact on the economy...
Israel went too far they should have just hit the hezbollah regions..
and when we would have hit villages that hizballah uses their houses for storing missiles and shooting from, what you would have said? oh they are targeting civilians in villages..
hamorabi July 24th, 2006, 11:24 PM Lebanon....My heart weeps for you....But you must do something about Hezbollah.
Although I do think that Israel has gone too far.....What was Hezbollah thinking when they ambushed the Israeli troops and killed and kidnapped the soldiers? Did they think that Israel was going to sit back?
These are the same terrorist that killed the 250 plus US marines in their barracks. I do remember.
Hezbollah must be eliminated from Lebanese society. A modern progressive country like Lebanion has no room for foolish extrimism. ( this also includes Israeli Zionist extrimist) I wish that two secular states can live side by side.
God, the creator of the universe, has nothing to do with man's foolishness.
well said, the thing is that we always blame each other. but both the extremist zionist and fanatic muslims must be prevented from claiming power. and then, we can sit and talk. hardliners like olmert or peretz or nasralla or some idiotes psychos who hide behind screens, post ,flame and terrorize other people, while i am sure that they dont dare to stand in a real battle; are just talkers,while the innocent civilians pay the price.
premutos July 24th, 2006, 11:33 PM LONG LIVE LEBANON AND ITS PEOPLE!!
in the long run israel is doing more harm to themselves than to lebanon because they are damaging tremendously the horrible image they already have worldwide.
a lot of people has lost the sympathy for israel, what scares me is how so many people want a war in Israel now, where Israeli civilians can suffer etc. (horrible)
and also a lot of anti-semitism which is bad is being reborn around the world, I wouldnt tell people I am jewish if I was to leave Israel.
Lebanon will rebuild and move on
Israel's shame will remain.
(this is my opinion)
Brussels-east July 24th, 2006, 11:34 PM We fight for our land, justice, democracy, peace and an end to islamofascist terror.
"Islamofascist" ... How to legitimate a war by "historical" words with a strong signification and forms of government wich mean for judes worth than evil.
I've already heart about "crusade" by a dumb american president ... now the use of "Islamofascist" word.
Please ... I propose just one minute of thought.
You fight for your land ... they (the "Islamofascists") do the same if you ask them why are they fighting against Israel.
You fight for justice ... well, A large number of UN resolution were never respected by Israel also during the last 30-40 years. you have your conception of Justice wich can not be the same that their conception of Justice.
Can you explain me how Tsahal hope to destroy Hezbollah and its popular support amongs the arab world by bombing citizens and destroy Lebanon ? What's happened now ? it's only the creation of frustration, hate, and more futur djihadists against Israel (Judes) and United State of America. If you think that you fight for your security by this way .. you're wrong.
Brussels-east July 24th, 2006, 11:36 PM We fight for our land, justice, democracy, peace and an end to islamofascist terror..
"Islamofascist" ... How to legitimate a war by "historical" words with a strong signification and forms of government wich mean for judes worth than evil.
I've already heart about "crusade" by a dumb american president ... now the use of "Islamofascist" word.
Please ... I propose just one minute of thought.
You fight for your land ... they (the "Islamofascists") do the same if you ask them why are they fighting against Israel.
You fight for justice ... well, A large number of UN resolution were never respected by Israel also during the last 30-40 years. you have your conception of Justice wich can not be the same that their conception of Justice.
Can you explain me how Tsahal hope to destroy Hezbollah and its popular support amongs the arab world by bombing citizens and destroy Lebanon ? What's happened now ? it's only the creation of frustration, hate, and more futur djihadists against Israel (Judes) and United State of America. If you think that you fight for your security by this way .. you're wrong
livni July 24th, 2006, 11:41 PM No I dont have to explain anything, ask the lebanes government how it let hizballah arm itslef with 10,000 rockets. what did the world think they would use it for? fireworks?
since we are attacked with 2200 rockets in the north and 5000 in the south from gaza, by islamic fundamentalist terror groups that divide the world into islam v.s the rest and do the best to destroy any chance for peace negotiations, and since we also suffer from refugees, bomb shelters, fires, destruction and children that are wetting themselves every time they hear a siren 7 times a day, I dont think I have to explain anything, you explain why the world does nothing to disarm terror groups and wakes up only when its too late.
Dont tell me about bombing civilians, in Kosovo the NATO forces of which you are part bombed serbia for 78 days, in WW2 the allied forces bombed german cities to ruble. when a war is started on ou, you fight it, and israel was attacked.
Kappa21 July 25th, 2006, 03:44 AM "Islamofascist" ... How to legitimate a war by "historical" words with a strong signification and forms of government wich mean for judes worth than evil.
I've already heart about "crusade" by a dumb american president ... now the use of "Islamofascist" word.
Please ... I propose just one minute of thought.
You fight for your land ... they (the "Islamofascists") do the same if you ask them why are they fighting against Israel.
You fight for justice ... well, A large number of UN resolution were never respected by Israel also during the last 30-40 years. you have your conception of Justice wich can not be the same that their conception of Justice.
Can you explain me how Tsahal hope to destroy Hezbollah and its popular support amongs the arab world by bombing citizens and destroy Lebanon ? What's happened now ? it's only the creation of frustration, hate, and more futur djihadists against Israel (Judes) and United State of America. If you think that you fight for your security by this way .. you're wrong
Thats a handfull.
I cannot explain why livni calls the term 'islamofacist', but this is the same as someone calling Israel "the Zionists" or western culture the crusaders.....
little less tone and more respect for everyone...
I know many people in Lebanon are mad at us right now. But in the long run they saw that in a given day in the summer all of a sudden there economy an d tourism became stand still because of an attack...
so the blame may be on israel, but also there need to be a review on those who control a small little part in south lebanon and create a threat...
Nadini July 25th, 2006, 04:07 AM No I dont have to explain anything, ask the lebanes government how it let hizballah arm itslef with 10,000 rockets. what did the world think they would use it for? fireworks?
I'm sorry but you must remember that the Lebanese government is new, and lest not forget that Syria ended it's occupation just last year. So basically Syria gave Hizbullah the green light to ship all these rockets to Lebanon. It's not hard to know that when Syria contolled Lebanon, hizbullah received as many weapon it was able to receive before the Syrians left Lebanon. When they left, the Lebanese government was patrolling and controlling along the border, finding truck loads of rockets, bombs and all sort of ammunition (I saw it myself as I was travelling to the south along the Syrian border, they were stopped and arrested by the Lebanese Security Forces). You were able to see the security growing in Lebanon (they arrested a man believed to plot an attack in the NYC tunnels) and they were doing many things to improve their image and showing the world that Lebanon was able to control the population in order to live in coexistence and that we didn't need Syria's help. Unfortunately Hezballah is stronger then they were. Although, they were planning to disarm them in a period of 5 years (they were working with other governments) but sadly it was to late, and the result is what we are seeing today.
Kappa21 July 25th, 2006, 05:09 AM I read a couple of things and there was a plot in 2005 to do what they did and it failed....
this led to rocket firing of kaytushot in K. Shmona...but nothing happened from the israeli side..
i think the Israeli government had it once and for all..
Brussels-east July 25th, 2006, 07:48 AM Dont tell me about bombing civilians, in Kosovo the NATO forces of which you are part bombed serbia for 78 days, in WW2 the allied forces bombed german cities to ruble. when a war is started on ou, you fight it, and israel was attacked.
Firstly, Have I said that I supported these kinds of actions ??? Milosevic's goverment collapsed thanks to a domestic revolution and certainly not thanks to the NATO bombs.
Secondly, WW2 doesn't seem to be a good example concerning a conflict wich has been resoluted rapidly and with the less casualities as possible.
the blame may be on israel, but also there need to be a review on those who control a small little part in south lebanon and create a threat.
Of course, it's right. Some regimes take benefits from this situation. And these regimes seem to be more dangerous for Israel. Israel should think about this point.
To conclude, my opinion, Iran has prepared a "great" trap for Israel and the "international community". Iran probably, prepared, organised and sustained the abduction of Israeli soldiers. It's impossible to imagine that Iran or Syria was not involved in the issue. BUT ... Israel fell in the trap and United States of America did it also. Iran will continue to developp its nuclear program and in the same time diplomacy and "international comunity" focuse its attention on Lebanon. The Arab World becomes more and more angry against the traditional target of Iran : Israel.
One last thing, it has been 10-15 years I heart that Israel takes military mesures against Hezbollah, Palestinians or Hamas, etc for its security. After all these years of war and destruction and after all these innocents who died in Israel or in Gaza you may not say that military actions will make Israel more secure. In fact, what I observed since all these years it's a increase in the level of violence, brutality and military responses between the beligerents.
But I still optimistic and I wish peace and security to the Middle-East. I'm sure that's possible with men or women of willingness. May Israel live in peace with its neighbours. And may Lebanon rebirth again from this crisis.
:)
Kappa21 July 25th, 2006, 02:52 PM ^^ well i dont know if it was a trap or not..
but both cases with gaza and lebanon were on israeli territory...so you have people trying to get calm and make sides go back to the pre-text territory and then groups who are ready to rage more war on those territories...
Israel was thinking of leaving more of the west bank....but now how hard is it to leave when you dont have the opinions of the people...
swerveut July 26th, 2006, 12:07 AM Nothing can justify the Israelis bombing the civilian airports and attacking civilian infrastructure in the name of war on Hezbollah. This in fact seems like a war on the Lebanese economy more than one on Hezbollah. I sincerely wish tough charges of war crimes can be brought up against them but alas, we live in a biased world and its never going to happen.
I speak for all Pakistanis when I say that we are with you Lebanon!
Jayme July 26th, 2006, 07:31 AM i wood like to c th Israel PM in an International court ....
everythingisone July 26th, 2006, 07:42 AM i wood like to c th Israel PM in an International court ....
What about the heads of Syria, Iran, Hamas, PA, Hizbollah, Suadi, and Lebanon? Would you like to see them in international court also?
Harkeb July 26th, 2006, 09:31 AM So, the shoe is on the other foot. Who's mass murdering who?
sc4ish July 26th, 2006, 09:34 AM So, the shoe is on the other foot. Who's mass murdering who?
how can we keep a rational discussion with some idiot whose quote is
"hitler died prematurely"
Jayme July 26th, 2006, 09:49 AM What about the heads of Syria, Iran, Hamas, PA, Hizbollah, Suadi, and Lebanon? Would you like to see them in international court also?
what did the Lebanese Goverment do mmmmmmmm
i dont care about Hezbollah there is another place where there leader sood be. Iran there all talk they have dun nothening yet
so what did the Lebanese Goverment do they did order any Massicars i cant think of anything
Principes July 26th, 2006, 10:09 AM Hezbollah, inflicting lots of israeli casualties :).
Jayme July 26th, 2006, 10:12 AM i dun care for Hezbollah they get go to hell for all i care.
im still waiting what has the Lebanese Prime Minister done so bad to go to the International court ?
Hassoun July 27th, 2006, 10:36 PM This says it all.
http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2006/7/25/1_634566_1_34.jpg
Kappa21 July 28th, 2006, 12:01 AM i dun care for Hezbollah they get go to hell for all i care.
im still waiting what has the Lebanese Prime Minister done so bad to go to the International court ?
Thats the thing..
he didnt do anything...
alot of suspicion grows why an attack was implemented on Israel on that time...why in the summer...when the lebanese economy flourished n'all....
Coincidentially it was 2 days before the G8 Summit in Russia which Iran was going to be talked about alot...
moreover, some wanted to get an implementation of Resolution 1559.
However though, Seniora was in the steps of Rafik Hariri who still wanted to get militias disbaneded and move forward...
so like Olmert...Seniora and him have alot in common..they came to office in unusuall circumstances (illness and assasination) and they got a pile of crap they had to deal with all of a sudden...
lot of things in common with Israel and lebanon...
Hassoun July 28th, 2006, 01:00 AM http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/8162/1974/1600/IndependentCover21-07-06[2].0.jpg
Iran July 28th, 2006, 02:12 AM thanks israel for destroying one of the most liberal, free, and democratic countries in the arab and muslim world..... what a great way to get the others to follow lebanon's path.
great idea, im sure this will end all terrorism....
Bikes July 28th, 2006, 02:23 AM A liberal, democratic, free country doesnt allow their own terrorist group to attack a neighbouring country, sorry.
eklips July 28th, 2006, 02:25 AM You are so naive, stop using empty words to describe situations that they are not fit too.
It is not a matter of being free or democratic, it is a matter of being able too. The Lebanese government is new and weak, the Hezbollah is older and stronger, they couldn't possibly do a thing in such a short period of time.
Iran July 28th, 2006, 04:35 AM A liberal, democratic, free country doesnt allow their own terrorist group to attack a neighbouring country, sorry.
so by your definition israel isnt a liberal, democratic, and free country....
Beiruti August 1st, 2006, 11:58 PM Okay, here are my personal pics of the destruction witnessed by yours truly...
This shit happened right in front of me!
I dont understand... this was an extremely small insignificant bridge which takes you to bannana farms and the beach...
I walk this bridge all the time to get to the beautiful beach resorts of Oceana and Janna sur Mer in Damour:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9587/dscn3520ns0.jpg
And here is the major Damour bridge - completely erased!!! WHY??? There is no Hizballah anywhere near here... there arent even Shia here, its a historical Christian village!
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2060/dscn3522kw0.jpg
And here is the Jiyeh power plant burning for the second day straight... this pic was taken off of my balcony as I watched the sky turn gray and the beach black with oil...
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8961/dscn3533ep8.jpg
Jayme August 2nd, 2006, 12:13 AM u know why they did this cos There Idoits !!! and DUMb and Stuitp and Retarred LOSERS
Andrew August 6th, 2006, 02:14 PM I was reading a comment in a newspaper yesterday and they made an interesting point...
It compared Lebanon and Hizbollah with Ireland and the IRA and asked what would the international response have been if every time the IRA blew something up in the UK the British government ordered air strikes on Dublin?!?
It seems that Israel gets away completely free when it punishes a whole nation for the actions of a single terrorist group. Even when that terrorist group has considerable popular support and political influence (as the IRA did in both N.Ireland and the Republic of Ireland) it's not a case for bringing the whole country to it's knees, other governments wouldn't get away with this kind of action, why does Israel?
Subangite August 6th, 2006, 02:59 PM I was reading a comment in a newspaper yesterday and they made an interesting point...
It compared Lebanon and Hizbollah with Ireland and the IRA and asked what would the international response have been if every time the IRA blew something up in the UK the British government ordered air strikes on Dublin?!?
It seems that Israel gets away completely free when it punishes a whole nation for the actions of a single terrorist group. Even when that terrorist group has considerable popular support and political influence (as the IRA did in both N.Ireland and the Republic of Ireland) it's not a case for bringing the whole country to it's knees, other governments wouldn't get away with this kind of action, why does Israel?
Great point Andrew!!
Beiruti August 7th, 2006, 12:43 AM Oh I forgot this pic of the Beirut lighthouse (manara) after it was hit by the Israelis:
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6546/dscn3641vz7.jpg
Jayme August 7th, 2006, 08:10 AM what was the ponit of that....... its just a lighthouse
lebgurl August 7th, 2006, 08:12 AM they were launching rockets from there lol
DonQui August 7th, 2006, 08:13 AM To start off with, I am against what in my mind is disproportionate force from Israel.
However, I find it rather curious that people seem to have forgotten that it was a LEBANESE based TERRORIST group that started lobbing missles first. It was not Israel that started. Had Hezbollah kept quiet, Israel would have had no need to go on the offensive, an offensive that is admittedly heavy handed and with too high a number of civilian casualties in Lebanon and one that threaten's Lebanon's very existance.
Thus, blame Hezbollah, perhaps even more then Israel.
Hebrewtext August 9th, 2006, 11:06 AM what was the ponit of that....... its just a lighthouse
can't you see it is full of military anthenas ,transmissions and perhaps aradar?
SeanB 06 August 9th, 2006, 11:11 AM To start off with, I am against what in my mind is disproportionate force from Israel.
However, I find it rather curious that people seem to have forgotten that it was a LEBANESE based TERRORIST group that started lobbing missles first. It was not Israel that started. Had Hezbollah kept quiet, Israel would have had no need to go on the offensive, an offensive that is admittedly heavy handed and with too high a number of civilian casualties in Lebanon and one that threaten's Lebanon's very existance.
Thus, blame Hezbollah, perhaps even more then Israel.
BULLSHIT
Hezbollah didnt launch a SINGLE rocket, a SINGLE rocket before Israel started sending its missiles into Southern Lebanon. Israel launched its missiles precisely after the 2 soldiers were captured. So get ur facts straight buddy
Herzeleid August 10th, 2006, 01:45 AM yeah right hizbullah din't launched a single rocked before israel :sleepy:
anywho just wanted to SHARE this
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/7168/hizbullahsmhff7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
SpotlessMind August 10th, 2006, 02:36 AM Hezbollah's dirty tactis are no secret. Poor, poor Lebanese people. If they could only free themselves from the powers that are sucking them into destruction.
But the question arises then, what does the IDF gain from destroying areas from where the attacks were launched, in an situation like mentioned above.. The article clearly states that they come, fire and leave. Hezbollah is mobile and moves non stop and can fire from anywhere. Destroying an area like will not hurt them at all, just the locals that live there.
Kappa21 August 10th, 2006, 03:01 AM BULLSHIT
Hezbollah didnt launch a SINGLE rocket, a SINGLE rocket before Israel started sending its missiles into Southern Lebanon. Israel launched its missiles precisely after the 2 soldiers were captured. So get ur facts straight buddy
on wikipedia you can see timeline of actions hezbollah took between Summer of 2000 and present 2006..
before the CURRENT conflict, they must have fired well over 250 rockets into Israel, not to mention had over a dozen cross border raids, ontop of kidnapping 3 israeli soldiers in october 2000, an israeli civilian and later...not so long ago, sending an unmanned aircraft into Israel to take reconconse pictures...of areas that are currently being targeted..
do some research..
SeanB 06 August 10th, 2006, 06:01 AM on wikipedia you can see timeline of actions hezbollah took between Summer of 2000 and present 2006..
before the CURRENT conflict, they must have fired well over 250 rockets into Israel, not to mention had over a dozen cross border raids, ontop of kidnapping 3 israeli soldiers in october 2000, an israeli civilian and later...not so long ago, sending an unmanned aircraft into Israel to take reconconse pictures...of areas that are currently being targeted..
do some research..
once again, bullshit. hezbollah wasnt firing rockets. do you even know how many thousand Lebanese were captured by Israel and are still in Israel?? do you even know?? and what is wrong with sending an unmanned aircraft? countries do it ALL the time i dont know what world youve been living in. and Israel never left Lebanon so any action Hezbollah took and continues to take is justified.
Neitzsche August 10th, 2006, 06:10 AM on wikipedia you can see timeline of actions hezbollah took between Summer of 2000 and present 2006..
before the CURRENT conflict, they must have fired well over 250 rockets into Israel, not to mention had over a dozen cross border raids, ontop of kidnapping 3 israeli soldiers in october 2000, an israeli civilian and later...not so long ago, sending an unmanned aircraft into Israel to take reconconse pictures...of areas that are currently being targeted..
do some research..
Sorry to interject, but Israel fired some 11000 odd rockets into lebanon during the period that 250 were fired in the opposite direction.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/08/did-you-know-that-israel.html
There is no such thing as right or wrong in war - just sides. I just feel sorry for the people on both sides stuck in the middle of this sad state of affairs.
*UofT* August 10th, 2006, 07:32 AM on wikipedia you can see timeline of actions hezbollah took between Summer of 2000 and present 2006..
before the CURRENT conflict, they must have fired well over 250 rockets into Israel, not to mention had over a dozen cross border raids, ontop of kidnapping 3 israeli soldiers in october 2000, an israeli civilian and later...not so long ago, sending an unmanned aircraft into Israel to take reconconse pictures...of areas that are currently being targeted..
do some research..
The Current conflict is the old conflict its all the same shit. There are some facts that people need to ingrain in themselves.
a) Israel still occupies Sheba Farms
b) Israel has thousands of Lebanese held captive
I am always amused when people complain about the tactics used by Hez. They have inferior weapons system and katusha is the only way for them to shell an enemy they are at war with.
What did you expect they were gonna lower their zipper and shoot you with their semen?
JPCedars August 13th, 2006, 03:56 AM Here are some of my pictures when I was still in Lebanon.
This is when the gasoline tanks were hit at the airport. Black smoke was coming out of the airport for a couple of days.
http://myspace-281.vo.llnwd.net/01040/18/23/1040183281_l.jpg
This is when they hit Wadi Chahrour, the place I was staying at. They were hitting at some parked trucks.
http://myspace-955.vo.llnwd.net/01040/55/95/1040255955_l.jpg
Kappa21 August 13th, 2006, 04:14 AM The Current conflict is the old conflict its all the same shit. There are some facts that people need to ingrain in themselves.
a) Israel still occupies Sheba Farms
b) Israel has thousands of Lebanese held captive
As far as Israel is concerned...
The UN had a stamp of approval and said that we left "ALL" of lebanon in May of 2000.. the only people who disagree with that are Hizbullah and much of its supporters...... Its not like Israel had annexxed the shebba farms, its part of Syria (the golan heights)
If the Sheeba farms are part of Lebanon, than have the Syrian Delegates in the UN come and give only 3 pieces of paper..the map, the identification and the agreement/approval that the sheeba farm is infact Lebanese land and not Syrian.. it is Syria's responsibility to do so..not Israel and not Lebanon and ofcourse..not Hezbollah's...
But then again? why would Syria..the "peace loving" nation do such an astonishing thing for calm and security? Afterall, the darkest day for them would be if Israel and Lebanon did something so crazy..such as signing a peace agreement between both nations..it would completely set them back and make them look like a scapegoat having had an Israeli-Arab conflict for well over a half a century now and having all 3 out of 4 nations that border israel make peace and yet..lone syria who were in hot waters in 2005, become a little hotter again now?
secondly, if the prisoners...
In the last deal, for the swap of 3 israeli soldiers and 1 Israeli civilian... Israel returned to Lebanon the prisoners....
My question to you is.. who exactly is hezbollah trying to release.. Yes..you are right...after June 12, 2006... there are now NEW prisoners as a result of the current conflict...somewhere around 80-180 prisoners are in israeli jails because of this...
but if you look and see what Sheik Nasrallah stated, which was too help out Palestinian prisoners and in support of what happened in June 9th with the Israeli captive..than you would know that they are trying to enrage the conflict, as they did....
this is a pattern..they did the same exact thing when the Palestinian started the violence in Sept 2000..by going and kidnapping 3 israeli soldiers in the border and taking 1 israeli civilian in early october 2000....
even after the prisoner swap, they still started to copy the exact same thing of doing cross border raids in which they had fatalities on there own side... nonetheless, israel has returned to the red cross on the border the bodies of hezbollah militamen killed in action....
Not to mention that Unmanned aircraft that came into Israeli territory a while back and took aerial photos of Israel and then went back into Lebanon...what was that all about? Novemver 7, 2004
link (http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/07/hezbollah/)
I am always amused when people complain about the tactics used by Hez. They have inferior weapons system and katusha is the only way for them to shell an enemy they are at war with.
What did you expect they were gonna lower their zipper and shoot you with their semen?
Your trying to be very humorous to the fact that hezbollah have 'limited' weaponry in there disposal when infact, they have very advanced weaponry...
if you got backed by both Syria and Iran with all there military capabilities, than ofcourse you would have more than just katushuot weapons.. i dont know where u come up with the "ooo poor Hezbollah..got inferior weapons" because Hezbollah has a few Zelal missiles at there disposal...some of which can aim in many areas throughout Israel....
So before you make a statement, recall that Hezbollah is the backbone of both Syria and Iran... if Iran has issues, such as being mentioend infront of the G8 or having to go and get discussed in the UN security council in late august..than ofcourse they would try to take away there name away by ingulfing a new battle between there beneficiary and there arch foe....
Kappa21 August 13th, 2006, 04:22 AM Sorry to interject, but Israel fired some 11000 odd rockets into lebanon during the period that 250 were fired in the opposite direction.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/08/did-you-know-that-israel.html
There is no such thing as right or wrong in war - just sides. I just feel sorry for the people on both sides stuck in the middle of this sad state of affairs.
she didnt even source any of the 11,000 rockets...
she refused to answer orielly's basic question......
i would be more worried about sourcing the many times Israel went into Israeli airscpace and broke the sound barrier over say..beirut as a result of hezbollah firing missiles...
but i think she was more of an adversary than someone who has facts...
if 11,000 rockets were fired...i think there would be so much instability and damadge inside lebanon....
you cant rely on a blog that someone has made to 'demand' the truth..especially when he had a thread saying Hezbollah was a mossad agent...
Moreover, after Hariri's assasination... the UN's resolution of 1559 called for the disbandendment of militants in lebanon.....
so her statements and justification of the group is null...
Kappa21 August 13th, 2006, 04:28 AM once again, bullshit. hezbollah wasnt firing rockets. do you even know how many thousand Lebanese were captured by Israel and are still in Israel?? do you even know?? and what is wrong with sending an unmanned aircraft? countries do it ALL the time i dont know what world youve been living in. and Israel never left Lebanon so any action Hezbollah took and continues to take is justified.
according to who Israel didnt leave lebanon? Sheik Nasrallah? the one who got us into a conflict in the 1st place?
Why would the UN agree that Israel left lebanon in May of 2000 if its still there..
If you think that Israel still holds lebanon and this is a conflict between Israel, Lebanon and Syria (which has a map outlining the borders prior to 1974) than by all means, re contrusct and rechange your maps to better reclaim your areas....
if Syria wanted 'the peace' they should have went to the UN and claimed that Sheeba farms are not part of Syrian territory...
they still have yet to do so...
With the prisoners...
After the swap. Israel sent all lebanese prisoners back...
Unfortuantely, after july 12, 2006...new prisoners are in Israeli captivity as a result of the current conflict....
*UofT* August 13th, 2006, 06:01 PM Kappa the Sheeba farms are still occupied territories that the Lebanese believe belong to them. If you are so concerned with the legalities of the UN then why do you not condemn over 80 resolutions that have been passed by the UN asking ISRAEL TO WITHDRAW FROM ALL OCCUPIED TERRITORIES!!
Israel is not a law abiding nation in itself along with that since 2000, Israel has launched over 11,000 missiles into Lebanon and carried out strikes in the occupied territories of Palestine.
This is ridiculous if you think Hezbollah is a highly sophisticated in its arms. They don't even have proper armoured personell carriers in significant numbers at all.
F-16 Fighter Jets, F-15 Eagles, Corvettes, Merkava tanks is a ridiculous amount of unproportional military power when comparing to Hezbollah.
You are blinded by what CNN would like you to believe to screen the humiliation of having a group of guerrilla soldiers not numbering more than 3,000 soldiers with NO guidance in any of their weapons holding their own with the most sophisticated military in the world.
As for prisoners, How about releasing a whole nation hood PALESTINE!!,
Again you quote UN resolutions to back your arguments not realizing almost every resoultion called for by UN with regards to occupied territories in Palestine are not abided by the Israelis.
Kappa21 August 13th, 2006, 10:10 PM Kappa the Sheeba farms are still occupied territories that the Lebanese believe belong to them. If you are so concerned with the legalities of the UN then why do you not condemn over 80 resolutions that have been passed by the UN asking ISRAEL TO WITHDRAW FROM ALL OCCUPIED TERRITORIES!!
As long as the hostilites continue and as long as they came to an agreement that threw diplomatic channels the DISPUTED territories would be agreed upon than i dont see a way out of it...
Like i said... UN recognized that Israel withdrew and the UN monitors the situation in lebanon thew the UNFIL, so as long as they recognized that Israel left, than why would they forget about the sheeba farms?
Sheeba farms are 'currently' asked by Syria..if Syria really wanted to have calm, than why not go to the UN in NY and hand in those maps which states that Syria does not have or had control over the sheba farms?
Israel is not a law abiding nation in itself along with that since 2000, Israel has launched over 11,000 missiles into Lebanon and carried out strikes in the occupied territories of Palestine.
Like i said...
Your getting a source from 1 blog, which had a person who is supposedly living in the US, reprenting a group in the US, that claims that 11,000 missiles were fired into lebanon...
yet no sources were provided from her... and im actually quite shocked she mentioned missiles when Israel probably uses sound barriers from F16 to usually do the trick....
I dont know how you bought that easily....i guess if i told you that i won 4 million dollars, you would call me a liar. But if i told you i won 4,326,584 and 94 cents than you would have belived that real number?
Look at the missile question clearly...
between may of 2000 and now, there was 2264 days... you assumed 11,000 misiles were fired.
If that was true, than...on average...5 missiles were launched DAILY into lebanon? if so...where was the damadge and what happened to fatality and instability in Lebanon? And also..why would Israel strike in the first place?
This is ridiculous if you think Hezbollah is a highly sophisticated in its arms. They don't even have proper armoured personell carriers in significant numbers at all.
Well the rocks and stones...were an old metaphor...but i guess now Kaytushot are not superior to your likings, is it?
needless to say, they are a well equipped army in an army...
and if they are much more equipped than the current lebanese army...than you have no way to prove that they are inferiror...
especially with the support they receive from Iran and Syria....
You are blinded by what CNN would like you to believe to screen the humiliation of having a group of guerrilla soldiers not numbering more than 3,000 soldiers with NO guidance in any of their weapons holding their own with the most sophisticated military in the world.
Like i said...your assuming that since there small and unarmed that there very novice. There the opposite... you can rely on CNN, Al Jazeera or even eye witness accounts, but currently...this group is a threat to both Israel and Lebanon and im not against the poltical aspiration of the group..but rather the threat that they pose on Israel's Norther front...
As for prisoners, How about releasing a whole nation hood PALESTINE!!,
Again you quote UN resolutions to back your arguments not realizing almost every resoultion called for by UN with regards to occupied territories in Palestine are not abided by the Israelis.
Like i stated...its a dispute with 2 parties being discussed...
it was only a few years ago (1993) that they actually came to the agreement after a long dispute...
Beiruti August 13th, 2006, 11:57 PM This thread is a PHOTO thread so please stop getting into a historical political debate and post or comment on the pics. Otherwise, this thread will have to be closed too...
Kappa21 August 14th, 2006, 12:06 AM ^^ please dont close this thread :)
It has alot of updated pictures....
sorry about going off topic
Beiruti August 15th, 2006, 05:58 PM http://bloggingbeirut.com/images/aug06/aftermathB1.jpg
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