They should maybe like on every first day of the month? I agree.. don't waste all the effort of installing the tunnels lights just for emergency and other purposes... Whats the point of having a view at the front when all you see is total darkness (except me, i actually look down at the tracks and you can actually see there is some light emitting from the train :)

I think the SMRT practice is to switch on tunnel lights 1 hour before ceasing operations and 1 hour just after commencement. I've seen it on NSL, EWL and CCL.

If it's the radial lines, can understand lar :lol:, those involves long journey (most of the times), and as we all know.. some of our fellow citizens quite.. kiasu la :)

if I am on a cross country trip (e.g. Bedok/Tampines), I dont mind backtracking to Pioneer. a few minutes extra for nearly an hour of comfort. I still give up the seat when necessary though.

Those lights are awesomely bright. However, they look like ordinary tunnel lights to me, without that warm fuzzy yellow glow. o.O
Yeah, needed for construction. :) They need to see all the small details whereas a train operator doesn't need to. They simply look at the in-train signals and the coloured signal displays on the tunnel walls. That's why the lights look of similar shape but different colour. I believe these also consume more energy than the ones used in commercial operation.

I don't think the environmentalist is involved in this...it is SMRT's power bills. :lol:
This is a practice taken up after SBST actually. NEL used to have its tunnel lights on all the time after it opened for revenue service. However, someone wrote in to the ST Forums right about the time when they had this discussion on suggestions for cutting down wastage and expenses. So the person wrote about switching off the lights during operation hours to bring down expenses. Since then, lights off! This also applies to new lines as you've seen.

Those headlamps are pathetic. :lol:
I'm not sure if I'm right, but I believe that the headlights would have adjustable lighting levels like in a car? In automatic revenue operation they're not really needed so can be kept at the low level.

I think the SMRT practice is to switch on tunnel lights 1 hour before ceasing operations and 1 hour just after commencement. I've seen it on NSL, EWL and CCL.
This differs according to line. For NSEWL I've noticed that they are on when the last train makes its run. But not too sure of trains before that.

For CCL, I'm not too sure if the lights come on during last train operations. I don't think I've ever taken a last train on the CCL. But on Sundays, the lights are on and this extend well into operation hours. I remember clearly around 8/9am the tunnel lights are on, at least on the MRM - PYL sector.

This is a practice taken up after SBST actually. NEL used to have its tunnel lights on all the time after it opened for revenue service. However, someone wrote in to the ST Forums right about the time when they had this discussion on suggestions for cutting down wastage and expenses. So the person wrote about switching off the lights during operation hours to bring down expenses. Since then, lights off! This also applies to new lines as you've seen.


Well...isn't that a pity...somehow, I would like to - nevermind.

For CCL, I'm not too sure if the lights come on during last train operations. I don't think I've ever taken a last train on the CCL. But on Sundays, the lights are on and this extend well into operation hours. I remember clearly around 8/9am the tunnel lights are on, at least on the MRM - PYL sector.

The weird thing about CCL is that the last trains terminate in the middle of nowhere - Bartley and Tai Seng. I have seen no videos from the two most dedicated train filming enthusiasts. So it is kinda hard to find out.

They terminate there so that the trains will immediately move back to the depot.

^^ Exactly, both this stations have limited transport options by the end of the day. It is very hard to catch a cab speeding down Upper Paya Lebar road and Bartley road at night.

So the people who record the trains cannot easily get home, unlike Changi Airport or Paya Lebar. The latter is moderately more populated.

They terminate there so that the trains will immediately move back to the depot.
I wonder what time will their last HarbourFront bound train be? unless its parking overnight at the crippled sidings or overruns, its going to be a lonely drive back home :lol:

This differs according to line. For NSEWL I've noticed that they are on when the last train makes its run. But not too sure of trains before that.

For CCL, I'm not too sure if the lights come on during last train operations. I don't think I've ever taken a last train on the CCL. But on Sundays, the lights are on and this extend well into operation hours. I remember clearly around 8/9am the tunnel lights are on, at least on the MRM - PYL sector.

I think keeping lights running on Sundays are good. at least its a scheduled day each week. its really a bit of a waste if the front windows are so open but gets no view to go along with it.

I have taken quite a few last and first trains and I can more or less confirm the lights is on during first and last trains. they generally turn them off after the train clear the entire tunnel sector without issues.

Yeah, that's what makes Sunday mornings good for photo taking. :lol: By afternoon though, the tunnel lights are switched off. :)

This differs according to line. For NSEWL I've noticed that they are on when the last train makes its run. But not too sure of trains before that.

For CCL, I'm not too sure if the lights come on during last train operations. I don't think I've ever taken a last train on the CCL.
I've done late nights and early mornings, but curiously, never the first or last trains. They have it on... On the NSL, they keep it on till 6.30am, and the earliest I've seen is 11.30pm but they are definitely on after 12am.

I think the SMRT practice is to switch on tunnel lights 1 hour before ceasing operations and 1 hour just after commencement. I've seen it on NSL, EWL and CCL.

NOt really sure abt CCL or NEL, but for NSWEL, they switch on ALL the tunnels lights for maintenance. The tunnel lights are usually controlled from each station HW or TW. Maybe if u guys are lucky, i will take a pic of some work being done in the tunnels.

EDIT: Oh wait. i already did that a few months ago. (pics from the CCL tunnels (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=65279827&postcount=3234))

:lol: just 50 pages back we were discussing on this topic too...
The lights in the tunnel of your first picture looks bright, but it definitely looks better than those long bulbs hanged along the side of the main tunnels. But those long bulbs hanged at the corner makes the 'oval' light effect throughout, which is nice too.

My lowly digital camera from 2006 could never take that kind of photos...

I just noticed that the extension track Marymount-bound is buffer-less. :lol:

There were buffers when I visited earlier. A fence was also there.

Speaking of which, Set 29 has a new VPIS programming. When the train rolls into the station, it will scroll the station name repeatedly until Doors Are Closing. The "This service ends at XXXXXX" has vanished.

During the travel between each station, it also displayed the next station six times without stopping unlike the current two times, pause, another two times format.

It seems that the old beta Doors Are Closing announcements are gone too, shame.

Edit: Set 8 has the new programming too.

Here are some pics of Bayfront MRT station. It seems that they are doing some cladding for the exterior. :)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_1IkMQf4n9z8/TXMpozJ7dUI/AAAAAAAACbM/_rrYOMOulMs/s640/DSC01761.JPG
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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_1IkMQf4n9z8/TXMprEs409I/AAAAAAAACbU/HXCdqdhgioY/s640/DSC01762.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_1IkMQf4n9z8/TXMprEs409I/AAAAAAAACbU/HXCdqdhgioY/s640/DSC01762.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1IkMQf4n9z8/TXMpty6IBHI/AAAAAAAACbY/I81hgu1fUmM/s640/DSC01766.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1IkMQf4n9z8/TXMpty6IBHI/AAAAAAAACbY/I81hgu1fUmM/s640/DSC01766.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_1IkMQf4n9z8/TXMpwjpX9rI/AAAAAAAACbc/VkXtj6wI6AM/s640/DSC01767.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_1IkMQf4n9z8/TXMpwjpX9rI/AAAAAAAACbc/VkXtj6wI6AM/s640/DSC01767.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1IkMQf4n9z8/TXMpzb8qhbI/AAAAAAAACbg/NkA2cbfWwgo/s640/DSC01768.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1IkMQf4n9z8/TXMpzb8qhbI/AAAAAAAACbg/NkA2cbfWwgo/s640/DSC01768.JPG

Are the Bayfront entrances going to be those ugly blocky buildings from Paya Lebar CCL?

Thanks for the pictures, Mith!

Thanks for the pictures. I'd passed by last time but was unable to get any photos at that point. They only had the metal framework up then.

@ Selo: Looks like it, but more along the lines of Chinatown's entrances I'm sure. Not the rectangle cuboid structures of CCL2.

Also, just a random note. CCL tunnel lights were on as at 4.50pm today.

^^ Great...I was on a MRT roundabout trip yesterday from 4-6 yesterday and decided NOT to take the CCL for the very first time...

Anyway, I wish that Bayfront has a entrance that befits the MBS, though.

It seems as if they're building it with room for a future development to be integrated with the exit. A building looks like it could come up behind the exit wall. Perhaps this is why it is being clad - seems like a safe way to me in case a future development would require a little addition and/or alteration to the exit structure.

Today, while waiting at Farrer Road's main exit bus stop, I saw these 2.. well elderlies peeping down the station exit stairs. I don't know whether its just their curiosity, but they seemed quite persistent to enter it.
There were yellow boards blocking the escalators and other construction materials inside that made it quite obvious that the station is still under construction. Surprisingly they didn't close the shutters to block of the whole exit like seen in one-north, I was also quite eager to walk down that flight of stairs ;)

The hanging electric signboard that usually says "Welcome to the Circle Line station" or something like that, it was on at this station and displaying the date and time, which was quite nice :)

Saw a worker watering some plants along the stations, maybe they'll just hire a daily worker to water the plants at the stations once it open, I think.

Get some photos. :)

This year will also see the opening of a new section of our rail network. We expect Stages 4 & 5 of the Circle Line to be operational by October this year. This will enhance accessibility for an estimated 200,000 residents, and 120,000 workers who live or work along the section of the line from Marymount to Harbourfront Stations. When fully open, we expect the CCL to help relieve crowding levels on critical stretches of existing MRT lines by about 10 – 15%. In addition, some 16 new trains will be delivered for the Circle Line by 2015, to cater for future ridership growth.

Taken from http://app.mot.gov.sg/News_Centre/Latest_News.aspx?GUID=3F7zifLdWKGay4sdPhE/VMzvLAcI8JAf+LiR5SYZlPA=#Rail

Other related rail or transport topics is on MOT's website.

^^ Nice update. It is to be expected I guess since I doubt they would want to open it in December. :)

^^ Nice update. It is to be expected I guess since I doubt they would want to open it in December. :)

I hope it opens in later october... i know this sounds kind of selfish, but my exams only end on the 18th! :ohno:

CCL3 discovery was on a Saturday, 5 days later it opened for service on a Thursday.
CCL 1 and 2 discovery was on a Sunday, 13 days later it opened for service on a Saturday.

It's quite hard to guess the possible discovery and opening date.
One took 5 days before officially, the other took 13 (probably because of more stations)
One officially opened on a weekend, the other a weekday.
One of the discovery was on a Sat, the other a Sun - Both on weekends (to attract working crowds)

Nice to see that SBS Transit was referred to as SBST in an official MOT posting. :D

Never heard an offical refer it as SBST before. :)

My vacations on Poly are from 1st to 16th October. Good timing, but maybe not for circleline4.

CCL 1 & 2's open house was over 2 days though. :) I managed to use the free service on both those days - quite welcomed really. So you can hope that they will replicate it where the open house is over the weekend and you can reward yourself with a break of 2 hours or so to go down and try out the system on the earlier day. :)

In any case, I would expect the line to open later (ie. with a longer down time between the open house and operations). This is mostly due to what I heard the technician on the train say before - that LTA wants the operator to incorporate feedback obtained to improve operations. The open house will be a simulation of actual operations with passengers and commuters crowding the stations (its free rides after all...) which can simulate a day with heavy traffic. The question will be how will trains turn around. I'm not sure Caldecott exactly has a turn-back feature...

Unless they operate through service from Dhoby Ghaut to HarbourFront with revenue service ending at Marymount. Only, here, staff will have to ensure that there are no commuters remaining on the train before it heads down to Caldecott for open house service. But anyways, thanks for the update. Good to have a more confirmed date. :) I wonder how Haw Par Villa will be able to make the deadline. Probably will end up like the CCL2 stations with lots of touch-up work leftover to do.

@ Selo: I'll try to get some photos when I can of CCL4 as I'm on break these 2 weeks. However, no promises... I've been a bit under the weather lately and so have been resting a fair bit too. Hopefully though, I can deliver. :)

since Haw Par Villa is under the same contract as its sister stations (unlike most previous and current civil contracts), I will imagine the other working teams rushing to its rescue once they finish their own stations.

I think they will just turn it back at Caldecott. that is what happened during CCL1-2 Discovery isnt it? either way I am screwed since I will be in a faraway island with higher daytime temperatures by then.

That's true. Teams like the Telok Blangah one could more or less go over to HPV to help out there. But I guess at the same time, too many cooks spoil the broth.

Yes, the trains were turned back using the Kim Chuan Depot sidings. Staff ensured all passengers had alighted at Tai Seng before the train departed to turn back and return on the other side. This was possible because of the presence of sidings between Tai Seng & Bartley for their respective open houses. However, if I'm right, there aren't any sidings between Caldecott & Marymount hence my question on whether trains will run through services (it would make sense for SMRT to "practice" running through services).

I know this isn't the clearest of pictures, but it gives an idea of the track layout.

http://img7.imageshack.us/i/bukitbrownsideplatforms.jpg/
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/bukitbrownsideplatforms.jpg/

Looks like some of us won't be able to attend the opening...
If what mrtfreak say is true about the longer down time between the discovery and opening regarding feedback and improvements, it'll sort of increases the chance of it opening at a later part of the month :)

How many months before the actual opening did they announce to the public about the actual date for stage 1,2 and 3?

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That's true. Teams like the Telok Blangah one could more or less go over to HPV to help out there. But I guess at the same time, too many cooks spoil the broth.

Yes, the trains were turned back using the Kim Chuan Depot sidings. Staff ensured all passengers had alighted at Tai Seng before the train departed to turn back and return on the other side. This was possible because of the presence of sidings between Tai Seng & Bartley for their respective open houses. However, if I'm right, there aren't any sidings between Caldecott & Marymount hence my question on whether trains will run through services (it would make sense for SMRT to "practice" running through services).

I know this isn't the clearest of pictures, but it gives an idea of the track layout.

http://img7.imageshack.us/i/bukitbrownsideplatforms.jpg/
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/bukitbrownsideplatforms.jpg/
perhaps they can share the same siding that trains turning back at Marymount currently use? I agree a through service will probably be easier, but I somehow don't think they will want to mobilize the manpower necessary to verify every single train trip.

for circleline4, not too sure about months to actual opening, but I guess it doesnt really matter since the actual date is already out :lol:

^^
hmmm.. oh, i was hoping that if it's say 2 or 3 months, then maybe i can expect them to announce the actual opening date around August. but i guess it doesn't really matter.
Thanks all :)

I recall CCL3 was given a mid-2009 opening towards the end of 2008. It was subsequently revealed in 2009 the exact date which was 30 May 2009. A few weeks before operation, they again moved the date forward to 28 May 2009 (interestingly after I mentioned on the forum why can't they open on a weekday :lol: ).

For CCL1 & 2, if I remember correct the exact date was given within 2010, several months before - roughly around January or February I believe. So you're probably right that as of now we have a rough idea, of which the exact date will be announced later. You could probably look out for the tenders for the updating of the network maps and such to be an indicator.

@ deskoh91: Perhaps, we'll see when the open house comes about I guess. Its too small and irrelevant of an issue really to bother about at this stage. :lol:

ETA: CCL3's first opening date was announced on 12 Feb 2009 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=32178078&postcount=1143).
CCL3's shifted opening date was announced on 16 April 2009 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=35233824&postcount=1387).
CCL1 & 2's opening announced on 26 January 2010 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=50764315&postcount=2426).

so, bukit brown has a different station layout, right? kinda like Dover?

Not entirely sure, but suspecting it to be so. Have to wait till the open house to confirm, unless there's some insider info that can confirm for us. :lol:

No problem, mrtfreak, maybe circleline4 could do it too. :)

Anyway, I think it would be easier to just shut down Marymount station for a day.

if I didnt see the plans wrong, the station box is a normal island station box that just happens to be unfitted (except key escape and M&E structures) to reduce costs of keeping it in hibernation while allowing it to function as an emergency escape point.

what we are likely to see is the usual divergence and sloping leading to a station, but the walls for the PSDs are not torn down yet (though escape doors and risers are already in place), so we are probably very much passing concrete walls.

i always thought they should have at least installed the doors first so that it doesn't disrupt operations that much. they can always cover the doors with dark film or anything of that sort.

anyway, like the loser that i am, sitting at home, i am currently plotting the CCL line between HBF and MRB. I think there will at least be 4 stops and perhaps interchange with EWL at Tanjong Pagar, mainly because there isn't really a CCL connection to the EWL in the city on the west. Plus, it will be nice to have TPG alleviated.

HBF > Keppel area (after the port moves out) > Cantonment Road towards the end > TPG > Marina Bay

Spottiswoode should be given to NEL, as NE2 will be at the KTM station, right?

^^ Doing that will give the impression that the station is like Woodleigh, create more political controversy as opposition accuses the ruling party of covering up it's promises and such....

Duplicate. Cos even my own posts want to copy me.

^^ Doing that will give the impression that the station is like Woodleigh, create more political controversy as opposition accuses the ruling party of covering up it's promises and such....

who gives a rat's ass. if the station is in the middle of nowhere, it will not have any catchment at all. it's called being prepared for the future.

and bukit brown is an open secret anyway. people are already noticing the absence of NE2. I'm like, "GIRL I KNEW ABOUT IT WHEN IT OPEN UH HUH." and then I snap my fingers like a black chick.

I don't think people are noticing the absence of NE2. To be honest, (and in a polite way), I have quizzed some of my friends and teachers before, majority were actually very very surprised.

You have to think like you are on planet Mars to resonate with these people...

Anyway, post up your proposal. :) As for duplicates, just don't keep pressing the buttons...

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Back to the Caldecott issue, I made a basic map from the photo mrtfreak posted.

http://i53.tinypic.com/jsn5nb.jpg

It seems there are many sliding around Bukit Brown which can be used. How about they decide not to showcase Caldecott on that day? Botanic Gardens - HarbourFront?

Also, deskoh, take a look at the map mrtfreak posted...Bukit Brown looks like a side platform configuration to me too. Do you have the plans you were mentioning? :)

yeah BKB is definitely a side platform considering they, i suppose, don't want to disrupt the land in between the tunnels.

I'm just concerned over the removal of the tunnels. i wish i knew how BKB was constructed.

Will post my CCL6 proposal. Should we have a separate topic for that so everyone can give their CCL6 proposal too?

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There is absolutely NO WAY that they will not show Caldecott. No way josé. People can start their trip at Habourfront and then as it reaches Caldecott, it can do that, "hey, i'm gonna stay on this platform and wait for people to get on!" kinda like Pasir Ris/Joo Koon. The train doesn't need to go to the other side.

I'm sure they'll fix something.

And I'm sure they will divide Marymount into two, Platform A for revenue service, Platform B for Caldecott and beyond for the discovery.

Who gives a sh- anyway. Frequency on CCL sucks so bad that I'm sure MRM won't need both platforms for revenue service.
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Oh and yes.

Duplicate. Cos even my own posts want to copy me.

I'm so cool, I quote myself.

If they divide Marymount into two, there is a need to utilize the slidings at the future Bukit Brown. It could potentially work, I guess.

Holland Village station from today's ST:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00593.jpg

The stark contrast between the ancient shop houses and the glass entrance has me wondering if they could have built something which fits the surroundings...

No doubt, Holland Village is going to be a busy station to the likes of interchanges. At least, that is what I predict.

^^ I think it's better to create a real contrast rather than replicating and failing in that process. I've seen many futuristic metro entrances in Europe and it forms a really nice contrast with the ancient buildings in the background.

One way of responding to existing architecture, is build something that is so transparent and light that it seems to disappear into the surroundings. However, I guess in this case the huge steel structures messed it up.

There is a contrast here, but it is so bad that there is no seamless transition or compatibility. While I don't mind the new glass-and-steel revolution for MRT entrances, surely some consideration about the surrounding environment must have been accounted for? It does seem that the entrance was just plonked there - although it is unmistakable now.

I would've appreciated if they had gone the Little India - Farrer Park route. But oh well, the entrance is there and sticks out as it does with the typical CCL Silver/Grey colour scheme. It was probably done this way due to the sand ban or other material-related issues. An entrance with light white concrete would've helped it fit in better I guess. But entrances these days, especially the CCL ones, go for the modern look (have you seen any CCL entrance not sporting a modern look but blending in ala Little India/Raffles Place).

Perhaps it'd be better if they went the route of Bras Basah's along-the-road entrances.

For me, aesthetics is not that important but the design should not ruin the look of the area. For me, the Holland Village station looks okay but could have been better designed. :)

And I'm sure they will divide Marymount into two, Platform A for revenue service, Platform B for Caldecott and beyond for the discovery.


I doubt they will want to do that unless CCL Discovery is a paid service for that day as well. it will be a nightmare juggling paid and unpaid users on the network.

since many of you are positive on the side platforms, I wont stress my case since it is most likely my error then.

^^ It would be revenue service then, if Discovery is a paid open house. :lol: Most likely if Marymount is used, there will be trains running between MRM and CDT with no passengers on board.

Well, it may be side platforms but it may also be a conventional island platform. I recall sgmrtbuilder mentioning the plans he saw as well had an island platform configuration. So the only real way is to wait and see really.

^^ :lol: to me its still technically a preview if they put all their stage performances and other assorted carnivals thingamajig and run them for one single day for limited hours a few weeks or months before daily service.

I doubt they will want to do that unless CCL Discovery is a paid service for that day as well. it will be a nightmare juggling paid and unpaid users on the network.

since many of you are positive on the side platforms, I wont stress my case since it is most likely my error then.

they found ways to let people enter the CCL discovery at DBG without having people to pay. It isn't rocket science. Just a bunch of part-timers becoming a human barricade and some red-white tapes to segregate the concourse.

I just read the wiki article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_MRT_Line

So what's left are:
-Stage 4
-Stage 5
-Marina Bay Extentsion

So by next year (2012), the whole Circle Line will be 100% complete?

:)

^^ That's right. We just not sure which date the Marina Bay extension is opening other than the fact that it is next year. :)

they found ways to let people enter the CCL discovery at DBG without having people to pay. It isn't rocket science. Just a bunch of part-timers becoming a human barricade and some red-white tapes to segregate the concourse.

Actually, the plan was last minute. I saw it.

They had no plan except let us stand in line. Only when the LTA employee came did SMRT started to cordon parts of the station off - when he gave them instructions. Before that, they were headless chickens. :D

In fact, the plan kept changing every hour, it was obvious they had no idea to manage the line of people for quite a while.

exactly. it isn't rocket science. when they realised they could do that, everything became so simple. so whatevs. i hope the SMRT crew learnt from this so it could really benefit people

It is actually possible to cordon off a very small area within the platform at Marymount, up to just 1 carriage or 4 doors. The trains coming into Marymount will need one person to jaga at the connection between the 1st and the rest of the carriages so that paid passengers alighting at Marymount and those in the CCL discovery are separated. Additional people on the platforms can then be there to make sure all paid passengers alight, and unpaid passengers do not slip into the paid area. In any case, even if they do slip into paid area they will still have to pay when they reach their destination in CCL1-3. Of course instead of barricades and tape, the barrier separating the platform area can be creatively done, like using movable display boards or a small makeshift stage.

The difference is that DBG was part of CCL 1 for which the open house was to showcase. Marymount is not part of CCL 4 or 5 so most likely will not see open house visiting just like how CCL 1 & 2 open house terminated at Tai Seng without passengers going to Bartley.

In the last CCL Discovery, I took 22 from Ang Mo Kio to Tai Seng. This time round if the CCL Discovery only starts at Caldecott, I'll need to take 851 from Marymount to Thomson Road just outside Toa Payoh Rise.

I probably won't stop at every station like last time, as most of the stations seems to have a standard design. Most likely I'll be stopping at Botanic Gardens, Buona Vista, One North, Kent Ridge and Harbourfront. Probably Telok Blangah too, as it'll be pretty close to my workplace.

That's actually a good thought... It never occured to me that since all the station interiors would be the same that I should probably skip the less interesting ones. :)

meh. ill start from habourfront. its so accessible even though its farther away.

^^ For the previous one, I skipped all stations but Dhoby Ghaut, Bras Basah, Promenade, Nicoll Highway and Stadium. :lol:

^^ For the previous one, I skipped all stations but Dhoby Ghaut, Bras Basah, Promenade, Nicoll Highway and Stadium. :lol:

i went to Macpherson to see the possible layout of DTL connection in my mind.

i went to PYL (with that fashion show with the grassroot leaders as models. OMG WHAT A DRAG), Dakota, Stadium, NCH (and walked out of the very interesting bridge-maze), Promenade (and took photo of the GaGa disco balls lol), Esplanade (and explored its emptiness), Bras Basah and finally DBG (and explored the "OMG SO THIS IS BEHIND THE WALL ALL ALONG" feeling).

I am not going to skip any station if I can help it...

I will likely spend a longer time at Caldecott and HarbourFront though....

im gonna go caldecott and look around for provisions. haha.

Must sees:
HBF
at least of of the Telok Blangah stretch stations
one-north
BNV
HLV
Caldecott

Yeah something like that. haha.

My must see stations are Calde, Botanics, Farrer, Holland, 1 north, Ridge and HBF (In the event that they really choose to open it right during my exams...) The others stations I'll take a look the following couple of weeks.

BTW, today tunnel lights were on at 3.15pm, but about 4 hours before that it wasn't on. tunnel lights continued all the way through caldecott's tunnels.
Also, Set 31 has a different start up sound compared to the other trains..

For me, I would probably be exploring Caldecott, Holland Village, Buono Vista and Harbourfront. :)

Hey guys, what door number is the handicapped spot located at?

Just as i was about to visit the stations.. the rain started pouring...
lol... 3rd time in a row :ohno: .. the rain doesnt seem to like me. Looks like i'll have to postpone my trip to another day.

@Selo I only know its somewhere in the middle carriage..

Hey guys, what door number is the handicapped spot located at?
:lol: I had to tell my friend which door we were at just yesterday and so happened we were at one of the handicap doors. Its number 5. So two more doors down would give you number 8 as a handicap door as well. :) Why'd you ask?

^^ Thanks circleline4 and mrtfreak. :)

As for why I asked, there is a reason which you will know it soon enough. I never knew that there were two handicapped doors though...so thanks for the note. :lol:

Second question, how many billboards are there at a single platform? :)

Braille information board?

...er no, advertising boards.

To be honest Selo, I don't think anyone has really bothered to count. :)

Hmm... I was curious why you suddenly wanted to know where are the handicap doors, so I tot you wanted to do some special informational boards for the handicap.

It is okay, I browsed through videos, there were 6.

Reason...I will reveal it in a while. :)

Wait...guys, the C830 has 12 doors on each side, right?

^^ Yup there are 12 doors of each side of the train set. :)

Sounds interesting, Selo. :) I'm guessing you're doing a render of sorts?

First time seeing Selo so mysterious, i'm sensing something good is gonna come :D
The botanics overhead bridge has it's roof now, quite a unique design.. will take a photo someday (hopefully it doesn't rain...again) It would complete and open in Q3 2011.

Well, yes, I may be working on something, but don't expect anything too big like a fully simulated train. :)

...well, the fact that I posted for help in the Circle Line thread does gives some clues. But really, it is quite generic.

Selo has always been mysterious. you guys don't know meh?

Passed by Botanics, Farrer and Holland Village today.
Botanics and Farrer are well.. still the same
Holland honestly is still quite messy, has multiple road realignments and leveling to go through.. construction stuff are still all over the place.

sounds interesting... are you trying to do sth like a virtual walkthrough of a CCL MRT station? i think there's a video of Paya Lebar MRT's connection between EWL & CCL somewhere on youtube. anyone still has the URL?

some pics here of Botanic Gardens station, taken ytd. apologies for the dark photos...


covered walkway to pickup/dropoff stand along Cluny Park Rd

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walkway from the lift to the station exit.

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open space beside the station exit (structure with white wall on the left). not v clear here, but the area is being landscaped with shrubs planted here and there, making it blend into the park more

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spiral staircase of the overhead bridge on the side of the botanic gardens. will probably look quite impressive once everything is done

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the overhead bridge itself. the roof has been installed in segments with a kin of curvy design.

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front view of the station exit, which wasn't fully lighted up when i was there.

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more photos here: https://picasaweb.google.com/tansongkeat/Mar1411BotanicGardensMRT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-FjhLuD_5o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rOsqvdkSvU&NR=1

Thanks for the photos 201911.
I wanted to go take some photos of the station tmr, but i guess i don't have to anymore. :lol:

Watching the camera stationary on that long escalator feels so painful... :lol:

Thanks for the photos! Well, it definitely looks great. :)

some pics here of Botanic Gardens station, taken ytd. apologies for the dark photos....[/URL]

Wow, very very nice! Can't wait for the CCL Discovery to visit Botanic Gardens station!

The last photo... makes me wanna just run up the stairs and down the escalators :(
I predict by May the landscaping works infront of the exit would be done, and expect the site to be 99% free of "germs" (Construction materials and dusts, except those barriers to prevent people from entering the station) :lol:
And by then onwards the electric display board and other signboards would slowly start coming up :)

Err...if that was referring to me about the virtual walkthrough, no. It has nothing to do with 3D and may let you all down. <_>

Anyway, thanks for the photos. Why do all the modern entrances scream UFO to me? Did they got some tips from our Supreme Court?

@mdzulkar9 - really. :D

Why do all the modern entrances scream UFO to me? Did they got some tips from our Supreme Court?

Sorry, I don't get you :P

Look at Botanic Garden's roof...it looks like a typical UFO a five year old draws. :P

Well.. doesn't really look like one to me, probably cause i don't even pay attention to kids drawing UFO's :lol:
Anyway,
has anyone got any updates on the CCL5 side? It'd be nice if somebody, perhaps mrtfreak, to go down and snap some shots of their progress, preferably HPV and Labrador park. I guess all of us want to see their stage of progress, and how far are they really lagging behind the others :)

^^ Well, I'll see if I have any time this weekend. I should be able to take those pics. :)

Thanks!
I just bought my dslr :D, should be able to take more photos for Botanics, Farrer Road (though its completed already..), Holland V and maybe Caldecott if i have spare time.. :lol:
exams coming up fast.. heh.

^^ Well, just manage your time well. Do allocate some time for taking pictures as a way to de-stress. :)

dslr

Drool...

Anyway, could someone post mrtfreak's Photobucket account? It has been a long time.

Well, here it is. :lol: mrtfreak's photobucket (http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/)

Sorry, at the moment I don't think I can go down to CCL5 for some photo-taking. A bit tight for time nowdays. Been quite a week already, and it isn't over yet.

Thanks, I was looking for the DTL renders. :)

Upon browsing thorough your folders...how on earth did you make the virtual walk about the CCL connection at PYL? o_O

:lol: That wasn't made by me. It was found and uploaded for archiving purposes, before it could dissapear. :) Ah, well, that's the main album which branches out into sub-albums, so you can refer to it from there.

It looks really professional, probably made by LTA and not those at SGForums. :lol:

I am trying to render a front shot of the Tan Kah Kee MRT Station...still have to figure out how to make textures, though.

There are quite a lot of pics so I am going to post the various stations pictures in one post each. First off, Telok Blangah.

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That brighe under the expressway looks awesome...weird that they bothered to build a roof, though. :D

Thanks for the photos. I wish LTA will stop making everything grey grey grey.

Next, are pics for Labrador Park Station. :)

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Following that, pics for Pasir Panjang. Had my lunch at the food centre before taking these pics. :lol:

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Finally, Haw Par Villa. Looks like they are doing and looks set for an October opening. :)

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First of all, thanks Mith! Really grateful for all the photos :D
The 3 'V' pillar designs on the exit is getting quite.. 'sian' after seeing it on almost every of the new stations though.
Jiayou to HPV! The station exit structure looks like it's gonna collapse anytime :P But at least the lift shaft behind it looks more firm.
The progress of Pasir Panjang and Telok Blangah looks a little like the current Farrer Road :)
Labrador Park still has the bridge and others to go.

^^ No problem. Just doing my part. :)

beats me why they build overheads when the station is underground. Wouldnt it be more cost effective to make it all underground?

^^ Maybe it is because of the West Coast Highway? It seems to be the case. :)

Hahaha, what about Farrer Road? :lol: I remember debating this underground-aboveground connection in the DTL forum before.
Anyway, for FRR's case I think the bridge is there to link residents from the south bound side to the market opposite, without having to actually enter the station from one side and exiting the other.
But then it beats me again why they actually constructed an exit on that side of the road, when people from that side can just take the overhead bridge and enter from the opposite side.

HPV looks like it can collapse any moment....

^^ I think it is because of the walls around it. It seems the walls would have some cladding in due time so it would definitely look better. Right now, it is still a mess.

I just realized Farrer Road doesn't have it's station name signboard up.. the one you see in the 4th picture of Mith's Telok Blangah collection. Or am i missing something?

All the signboards are not up yet. Possibly, when all the stations are ready, then maybe they would put it up. :)

Sorry i was not clear, i meant the signboard holder, without the CC20 Farrer Road board placed in it. Don't tell me they're gonna do it the Marymount style and paste the gigantic sticker on the glass... :ohno:
I was reading the past pages of this thread, and it looks like one-north doesn't have the holder too..

^^ I think that could be likely. We have to wait and see within the next few months the progress of these stations before we can draw any conclusions. :)

i think i remember seeing stubs for the signboard holders in place at some of the stations along CCL4&5. anw for marymount, the station name was only pasted on the glass exterior of the station exit a few months after the official opening, probably due to feedback from commuters that the station name can't be seen clearly. beside the stairs leading to the escalator itself is the vicinity map together with the station signage, which can't be seen very prominently.

Thanks Mith for the photos. :) Much appreciated. As for station name signs...

1) Lighted sign box
Not all the stations have these put up yet. But all stations will be most likely to have them, just that they will be installed at different times (also seen during CCL2).
CDT - Last I saw, no such signs
BTN - From 201911's pictures, it is there
FRR - Nil
HLV - Up at main entrance
BNV - Unknown
ONH - Nil
KRG - Up at Science Park entrance
HPV - Nil
PPJ - Up already
LBD - Nil
TLB - Up already
* Bear in mind, these are simply empty light boxes for now.

2) Big huge sticker sign
These have been going up at most CCL stations, not just Marymount. They are also present for Bartley, Tai Seng, MacPherson, Paya Lebar, Promenade, Bras Basah to name a few. These are in addition to the lighted box signs available at all stations. Perhaps it is a new move to complement the public transport symbol & mode logo beacon. On the NSEWL beacons, these are used to display the station name as well, but the new post-NEL design doesn't.

what exactly are these "big huge sticker signs"? :nuts:

They are huge stickers with the station numbering and name on it pasted on the exterior wall.

I will get a photo when I pass by Tai Seng tomorrow.

Hmm, its basically signs that are pasted onto the surface of the station exits. They are not lighted. A bit hard to explain actually... But will try. For entrances with lots of glass, they are stuck onto the glass predominantly. The back of the sign is white I think, while the front shows the exact same colouring and symbols as the ones in the light boxes. The scale though, is upsized. For station exits with cladding, they are usually on the roof top and stuck onto the cladding.

the stickers I know of has no major difference between NSEW and NEL/CCL though, so I dont know if you guys are referring to that.

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I recall the stickers on other stations, such as marymount and esplanade being less tall, That sticker in the Tai Seng photo is probably bigger in terms of height to fit it nicely with the wall tiles (2x3).
I still prefer the lighted sign box though, more pleasant and smart looking to the eye :lol:

On another note, didn't realize Tai Seng's exit to be so tall, almost the height of the 4-lane street lamps.. glad to know the CCL4 and 5 exits are better designed with the vents separated :)

Oh yes. Before I forget, there's a wall mosaic mural being installed at Promenade station... at the concourse at the Marina Square/Citylink Mall/Suntec side.

I see Olympic rings so I assume the installation will have something to do with the Youth Olympic Games.

^^
A little bit late right? :lol:
Unless it's meant to represent as some memorial to last year's YOG.

^^ It would probably be a momentum to that event. Hope you guys can get a pic of that mural. :)

On another note, didn't realize Tai Seng's exit to be so tall, almost the height of the 4-lane street lamps.. glad to know the CCL4 and 5 exits are better designed with the vents separated :)

I kinda wish they adopt Kovan's design, have a look on Google Earth, it is pretty good looking for a station exit with the right amount of glass and concrete blended in.

Whoever designed the CCL2 exits need to get shot, literally. I hope it is not sgmrtbuilder though. :nuts:

As for the mural, yeah, we need a photo of it. :)

Keep up the good work, guys! Pictures are worth thousand of words.

Well, Tai Seng is in an industrial area anyway. Not many people would appreciate much glass there, least of all whoever has to clean it. So its fitting that they have a light grey clad design for the station.

EW21 CC22 Buona Vista

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I kinda wish they adopt Kovan's design, have a look on Google Earth, it is pretty good looking for a station exit with the right amount of glass and concrete blended in.

Whoever designed the CCL2 exits need to get shot, literally. I hope it is not sgmrtbuilder though. :nuts:

As for the mural, yeah, we need a photo of it. :)


haha - no way, i wasnt on CCL2 - just NEL OTP / CTN, CCL3 BSN & CCL4 - BNV / HLV + now DTL2 of course :)

The electric display board.. the one the shows "Welcome to Circle Line Station".. arghh whats the official name for it?
Anyway, it was on at BTN this evening :)

LED Display? Part of the RATIS system I believe. The ones at HarbourFront CCL were also on yesterday displaying the time and date.

haha - no way, i wasnt on CCL2 - just NEL OTP / CTN, CCL3 BSN & CCL4 - BNV / HLV + now DTL2 of course :)

Thank goodness. Thanks for the tip. :lol:

As for RATIS, Welcome to Circle Line Station is gone. It is now Welcome to SMRT, haven't you guys noticed? :)

^^
When was the change? I still remembered seeing it in one of the stations last week.. Marymount i think.

Welcome to SMRT doesn't really sounds correct right? Since SMRT is a company name.
Welcome to Circle Line Station sounds a little off too.
IMO and appropriate one would be "Welcome to SMRT CC__ ________ Station.

Go check the RATIS, it is showing Welcome to SMRT in a much bigger font as of around Sunday. :)

I agree that they should change it to the station name. But STARIS shows Welcome on board SMRT too...

Go check the RATIS, it is showing Welcome to SMRT in a much bigger font as of around Sunday. :)

I agree that they should change it to the station name. But STARIS shows Welcome on board SMRT too...

Hmm......

What's a RATIS and a STARIS?

:)

RATIS stands for Rail Travel Information System.

STARIS stands for SMRT Active Route Map Information System.

STARIS is the the "interactive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Light_flashing_map.JPG)" route displays in our SMRT NSL/EWL trains.

As for RATIS, the definition is a little unclear, it could mean this (http://www.solution-space.com/images/vides-ratis_n.png) or this (http://i51.tinypic.com/28by71j.jpg).

Maybe mrtfreak will be able to clear things up. :)

However, STARIS include the scrolling displays on the NSL/EWL route too. VPIS is the system running on our NEL and CCL trains.

^^ RATIS are the plasma screens located at the station concourse and platform. They display the current and following train arrival timings and those within the paid area also show commercials and safety videos. I believe that the RATIS system includes the LED displays at the station entrances as well for the fact that both systems are linked together and display the same information. The older non-driverless lines used a different LED screen system from our newer, driverless lines.

For the BPLRT, if I remember correct, the term used for their LED displays that indicate the current and following train arrival timings at platforms and concourses is called the Passenger Information System, or PIS.

As Selo mentioned, STARIS is the text displays (some vaccum FID thingy) and the dynamic route map indicating upcoming stations, current station and next station displays together with which side the doors will open. This is only applicable to the non-driverless SMRT lines. None of the LRT lines have this feature.

Here are some pics I took of Caldecott today. It seems that the road expansion is more than just an expansion. They are making a straight road though it. The hill that is present now is being dug out to make the road. :)

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I was walking on the overhead bridge crossing North Buona Vista Road from MOE side to BV EWL station on Friday evening and heard (if I did not hear wrongly) an interesting announcement that blared from the CCL station worksite

"The next train arriving on Platform A terminates at Promenade Station".

At first I was wondering where it came from, considering that the CCL station is underground and the BV EWL station is the only functional station. But I do recall the announcer saying Promenade Station, so I thought it would be CCL.

Hopefully I'm not hallucinating. :nuts:

^^ That's interesting. :) Thanks for the heads up.

And also thank you Mith for the photo updates. :)

That is very interesting, as mentioned. I wonder how trains will terminate at Promenade, though...doesn't make much sense. Thanks for the pictures too, Mith. I wonder if they be able to complete the road before October though. :)

Also, joshww81, are you sure you did not hear:

The train approaching Platform A terminates its service at Promenade.

The train approaching Platform "" terminates its service at "". That has been the standard format so far...

In any case:

http://i51.tinypic.com/mbpmpl.jpg

Hmmm... I always thought it was "... terminates in service at....".

The CCL always had weird announcements... I remember the "no smoking" announcement during the CCL1/2 open house. LOL.

Was on CCL today. Its kind of odd that a Platform A train would end its service at Promenade though, cause Platform A is towards HarbourFront.

joshww81,
I still think you misheard the announcement. But i believe the part where you heard 'Promenade' since you emphasis that you heard it.
Well, any announcement in the CCL with 'promenade' is almost 100% related to the split between Dhoby Ghaut to Promenade and MBE. But then again, why would a train service end there?

The CCL always had weird announcements... I remember the "no smoking" announcement during the CCL1/2 open house. LOL.

Probably because it was free admission and some uncle might walk in with cigarettes in hand. The staff will be too busy entertaining us to notice. :)

As for the train terminating at Promenade thing, either it is a test announcement, or the last trains will terminate at Promenade instead of Marina Bay to head to the parking space at Dhoby Ghaut?

OR CCL6 ? The Platform A will make perfect sense then.

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or the last trains will terminate at Promenade instead of Marina Bay to head to the parking space at Dhoby Ghaut?

Wouldn't they make use of a final service between Promenade to DBG, instead of terminating at Promenade and heading back to DBG empty handed :lol:


OR CCL6 ? The Platform A will make perfect sense then.

I don't think SMRT will make an announcement on an extension that isn't even confirmed, or even if it was, not until the next 15 years :P

Not exactly, NSL shares the same faregates as CCL at DBG, so the station is probably closed then.

For the announcement...it could be a place holder. :)

I thought a station would only close after the last train terminates its service, and after everyone leaves the station. In the case of an interchange, only close it after the last train of all lines ends it service.

Anyway, regarding your picture posted in #4150 (Im getting really lazy to quote posts nowadays :P), Wouldn't the DBG and Marina Bay have the 'via' sign added too? If you're at Serangoon you wouldn't want a blur commuter to joy ride on the CCL would you? Maybe via Paya Lebar sounds good :)

joshww81,
I still think you misheard the announcement. But i believe the part where you heard 'Promenade' since you emphasis that you heard it.
Well, any announcement in the CCL with 'promenade' is almost 100% related to the split between Dhoby Ghaut to Promenade and MBE. But then again, why would a train service end there?

I could have misheard...of course not 100% sure.

I should stand around tomorrow again when I'm at BV to see if they play the announcement again - I was quite surprised to hear it the other time.

Well. I will wait for CCL4/5 and CCLe before making a judgement.

Anyway:

http://i52.tinypic.com/2vb3ns0.jpg

This will most likely be used only for Serangoon...

^^ I think it would be best to do without the "vias". Cause every interchange would sort of need it then. At Bishan, you could also go to Dhoby Ghaut, so in sticking to this format you would need a to Dhoby Ghaut/Marina Bay via Paya Lebar too.

I suggest that from Dhoby Ghaut to Promenade, they should include via Bishan on the HarbourFront signboards. Serangoon too.

It is Singapore's first twin terminal and I am anxious to see how LTA plans to deal with the matter. We don't really want our tourists to take a one hour ride around the CCL. (Actually, that sounds pretty cool.)

When you are overseas, most of the time, you have no sense of direction. :P

^^
true, sometimes you don't mind travelling the extra distance as long as you reach your destination. The fear of getting lost in a foreign country...

Anyway, how many of these 'vias' have ever helped commuters? Most of the time they would have probably plotted out a route or carry a map with them. And with bright colour designations, surely they would be able to differentiate the red and green on the NSL and EWL.

Not sure about now, but sadly in the past, these tourist maps in SG are sometimes outdated. I remember seeing a recent tourist map my dad picked up (he's a tour coach driver) and NEL is not on the map a few years ago. Same case for the missing CCL last year on these toruist map (I might just cover one eye since it opened last year, the CCL3 is not on the map?). Mind you, I've checked the year on these maps and it's just missing.

Not sure about now, but back then, it's just sad.

Not sure about now, but sadly in the past, these tourist maps in SG are sometimes outdated. I remember seeing a recent tourist map my dad picked up (he's a tour coach driver) and NEL is not on the map a few years ago. Same case for the missing CCL last year on these toruist map (I might just cover one eye since it opened last year, the CCL3 is not on the map?). Mind you, I've checked the year on these maps and it's just missing.

Not sure about now, but back then, it's just sad.

Wow, Didn't know of that, thats very bad indeed :ohno:

Maybe they should update the MRT lines and details about 2-3 weeks after the commencement date.

Not too sure if this is Farrer Road station. It looks marginally different from the video we saw of its TOP.

http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/budget_2011/expenditure_overview/images/mot_Pix2.jpg
http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/budget_2011/expenditure_overview/images/mot_Pix2.jpg

Taken from http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/budget_2011/expenditure_overview/mot.html

^^
Through my multiple screening of that video and photos, i'll say its 50% not Farrer Road.
Why?

1. The platform background (in the extreme background) wall colour. The one in this photo is more ripe-apple-ish red in colour. FRR's one isn't that 'grand' in colour.

2. The lighting. The one in this photo is more darker/greyish than the one in FRR's TOP video. And look at the ceiling lights. FRR's one is one straight long light bulb lighted up, whereas the one in this photo shows an unlighted spot in the middle of each 'bulb'.

But then again, all these are related to the lighting, which of course could be manually made brighter and darker. Some lights could be off, some on.

Some photos for you all to compare and share your views too :)
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166211_178939852139465_100000703554948_431290_951718_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/168373_178939995472784_100000703554948_431293_1062046_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/168373_178939998806117_100000703554948_431294_5870411_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/168373_178940002139450_100000703554948_431295_7179600_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/163488_178940142139436_100000703554948_431298_2611312_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/163488_178940148806102_100000703554948_431300_831186_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/167755_178940255472758_100000703554948_431305_634668_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/167755_178940245472759_100000703554948_431302_5061386_n.jpg

Sad though the photo mrtfreak posted missed out the Artwork, that would have made the station much easier to identify.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/167755_178940248806092_100000703554948_431303_4190445_n.jpg

^^ Err, I can't see your photos.

Once again, I can't see FB photo links, but nevermind.

I would daresay that might be Farrer Road...it looks completely clean with no sign of any lingering construction works, and as far as we know, no other stations obtained TOP yet.

For the shades of red in the background...it might be the contrast. Also, mrtfreak posted the link where he got it from. :D

Refresh this page. Sorry i forgot to 'open image in new tab' and link the photo. I just directly linked the photos from facebook... getting clumsy these few days :(

^^ Its okay. You're human after all. Besides, you must be tired from the CCA and stuff.

Anyway, great pics. Did you take it? :)

On first impression (sight), I said that's Farrer Road. But then when I looked again, it seemed perhaps not. Things that got me wondering:
1) The horizontal beams. Farrer Road seems to have 1 visible, but this station has 2. I can't tell if there are more at Farrer Road to make a comparisson.
2) The panelling. Farrer Road seems to have vertical panelling where strips of the cladding are installed while the MOT photo seems to be more of a box panel type.

^^ Its okay. You're human after all. Besides, you must be tired from the CCA and stuff.

Anyway, great pics. Did you take it? :)

Nope, I used a software to 'extract' the pictures out of the video, and after some processing it appears to look as if it was taken live. Haha, how would i have access inside the station to snap the pics? :lol:

On first impression (sight), I said that's Farrer Road. But then when I looked again, it seemed perhaps not. Things that got me wondering:
1) The horizontal beams. Farrer Road seems to have 1 visible, but this station has 2. I can't tell if there are more at Farrer Road to make a comparisson.
2) The panelling. Farrer Road seems to have vertical panelling where strips of the cladding are installed while the MOT photo seems to be more of a box panel type.

Now that you said it, I can say it is 100% not Farrer Road. The most obvious structural difference: Look at picture number 5 (from the top) that i posted. From the escalators to the lift, there is only 1 horizontal beam, whereas in the MOT photo there is 2.

So, which station could this be?

The horizontal beam at Farrer Road also continues the vertical strip cladding pattern on the atrium walls, while the MOT photo shows a box cladding similar to the box panel pattern on the atrium as well. I'm wondering if these are subtle design changes between CCL4 and CCL5.

If the MOT photo is from CCL5, then HarbourFront can be dropped. The shape for HarbourFront is wrong and the renders show the CCL station in a blue colour scheme. By stages of completion, it is probable that the station in the photo may be Telok Blangah or Pasir Panjang.

However, that is inconclusive and cannot be said with 100% assurance. If it actually is a stage 4 station, perhaps we could rule out Buona Vista. To date, all interchange stations on the CCL have had double the amount of escalators at interchange stations thus far, perhaps the exception being Dhoby Ghaut and MacPherson. I would expect this trend to continue for an existing line interchange. Holland Village is also ruled out as plans for its concourse show that the lift shaft will be joined to the corridor at concourse level by a short bridge similar to that of stage 3's design.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/HLVconcourseplan.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/HLVconcourseplan.jpg

So stations that are in the probable list:

Botanic Gardens (Possible)
one-north (Possible)
Kent Ridge (Possible)
Haw Par Villa (Possible)
Pasir Panjang (Possible)
Labrador Park (Possible)
Telok Blangah (Possible)

Reasons for stations not in the list:

Caldecott (Not possible, as we know it has 3 escalators and a shallow concourse to platform level like CCL3 as seen in one of the photos taken live inside the station during construction)
Bukit Brown (Not possible, station not even developed yet)
Farrer Road (Not possible, as just discussed)
Holland Village (Not possible due to different design)
Buona Vista (Not possible due to single escalator)
HarbourFront (Not possible due to different design and colour)

We can probably conclude that therey is a high chance of this coming from one of the stations along the CCL5 side :)

On another note Selo, I've visited DBG today and saw the huge 'Welcome to SMRT' and 'Have a nice day' :lol:

You can take out one-north as well. That station will have a different design and we have already seen the interior.

http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20100820/downtown.st.jpg
http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20100820/downtown.st.jpg

i thought Botanic had its own nature-omg-i-am-the-most-special-station type of design?

i thought Botanic had its own nature-omg-i-am-the-most-special-station type of design?

That will be the exterior, to blend in with the gardens. The interior will be a carbon copy of the other CCL stations.

Err...guys....

http://i55.tinypic.com/160ugjn.jpg

LOL! totally laughed at this :D
mystery solved then.. how could we have missed this?

Nice one Selo. :) I didn't realise that they had descriptions like that. I'm liking the look of Kent Ridge station now. :)

I was actually looking at the link. It had the word MOT in it, so I went around the MOT site and their flickr. No results. I then looked at the HTML code and found that text lying there. :p

But both your researches seem to have gone down the drain, sorry about that. :ohno:

Secondly - Kent Ridge is a CCL4 station?

Its ok. You managed to get the result. :lol: Yes, Kent Ridge is a CCL4 station.

Extensive research done with no results, but going back to the source and there, done. :)

Those new constructions are looking neat.........and are definitely in-line with the October 2011 opening. :)

Anyways
Damn, I only got to check this thread a week after. I kinda missed out on a lot especially to my question I posted last week

With that

RATIS stands for Rail Travel Information System.

STARIS stands for SMRT Active Route Map Information System.

STARIS is the the "interactive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Light_flashing_map.JPG)" route displays in our SMRT NSL/EWL trains.

As for RATIS, the definition is a little unclear, it could mean this (http://www.solution-space.com/images/vides-ratis_n.png) or this (http://i51.tinypic.com/28by71j.jpg).

Maybe mrtfreak will be able to clear things up. :)

However, STARIS include the scrolling displays on the NSL/EWL route too. VPIS is the system running on our NEL and CCL trains.



^^ RATIS are the plasma screens located at the station concourse and platform. They display the current and following train arrival timings and those within the paid area also show commercials and safety videos. I believe that the RATIS system includes the LED displays at the station entrances as well for the fact that both systems are linked together and display the same information. The older non-driverless lines used a different LED screen system from our newer, driverless lines.

For the BPLRT, if I remember correct, the term used for their LED displays that indicate the current and following train arrival timings at platforms and concourses is called the Passenger Information System, or PIS.

As Selo mentioned, STARIS is the text displays (some vaccum FID thingy) and the dynamic route map indicating upcoming stations, current station and next station displays together with which side the doors will open. This is only applicable to the non-driverless SMRT lines. None of the LRT lines have this feature.

Wow that is interesting

Yet, I'm surprised that you guys have and use fancy names and acronyms to refer to information displays like these:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Vacuum_Fluorescent_Displays_.JPG/800px-Vacuum_Fluorescent_Displays_.JPG

I wonder what other cool and catchy names and acronyms you guys have there.

Hehe just saying :)

You're acting as if we were the ones who coined them. :lol:

Blackraven, in case you dont know, the active LED map you see near the doors in the background of the picture you posted is part of the STARIS as well.

Singapore is a country obsessed with acronyms. no surprise we have some stranger ones in their midst.

Acronyms are awesomely frustrating to remember. :)

Anyway, I always thought that CC23 - CC29 was stage 5. Sometimes I can be so outdated. :ohno:

If the picture mrtfreak posted is a photo, not a render. We can assume that Farrer Road, Kent Ridge, and one-north are essentially complete and have been awarded the "Tai Seng status". Maybe the workers at these stations have been sent to rescue Haw Par Villa? I recall someone suggesting that.

since Haw Par Villa is under the same contract as its sister stations (unlike most previous and current civil contracts), I will imagine the other working teams rushing to its rescue once they finish their own stations.
That's true. Teams like the Telok Blangah one could more or less go over to HPV to help out there. But I guess at the same time, too many cooks spoil the broth.

Started there :)

I've always thought that the stages are divided into the general heading of each part of the CCL.
Meaning, stage 1 is city/east heading, stage 2 starts to head north, stage 3 west, stage 4 south west, and stage 5 east-south-east, and also starts at the point it parallels to the WCH (HPV station onwards).

A general "rule of thumb" for CCL is that each stage has between 5 to 6 stations. The only exception is stage 4 with 8.

Stage 1 - 6 stations
Stage 2 - 5 stations
Stage 3 - 5 stations
Stage 4 - 8 stations
Stage 5 - 5 stations

^^ That is a rather vague rule... :lol:

Oh well, as my next post concerns Promenade CCL...

http://i51.tinypic.com/359af5s.jpg

Has this map been released before?

Doesn't look familiar in the thread.
Very detailed map regarding the stations location and tunnel alignment for the DTL1. If only Bugis and Chinatown were connected.. the extra loop around Marina Bay looks time consuming :ohno:
By the way whats C907?

Yes, that map was released sometime back when Gebiz was still accessible publicly. I remember mcarling posted it once and someone else before that too. Maybe ignoramus.

Contract 907 is for the then Landmark station, now known as Downtown station.

Thanks for the tip, I was digging through some very old LTA PDF files...

So, if were to head back to the topic before to keep this thread going, does the same company work on the entire CCL4/5?

Nope. CCL4 is divided into 2 contracts - 854 and 855. 845 is for Caldecott, Bukit Brown, Botanic Gardens and Farrer Road while 855 consisted of Holland Village, Buona Vista, Kent Ridge and fit-out works for one-north. If I'm not wrong, 854 was won by Taisei. 855 was a joint venture by Shanghai Tunneling and another company.

CCL5 came under contract 856 for Haw Par Villa, Pasir Panjang, Labrador Park and Telok Blangah. The contract also includes the Pasir Panjang cripple siding and the HarbourFront cross-over. HarbourFront, I'm not too sure if it is included in 856 or comes under 859A. Anyway, 856 came under SembCorp.

I am assuimg that you mistyped "845 for is Caldecott..." and that you meant 854.

So, from your chart, I can assume:

Taisei - Caldecott, Bukit Brown, Botanic Gardens, Farrer Road
Shanghai Tunneling - Holland Village, Buona Vista, Kent Ridge, one-north
SembCorp - Haw Par Villa, Pasir Panjang, Labrador Park, Telok Blangah

We can technically assume neither the workers at Taisei nor Shanghai has any legitimate reason to rescue Haw Par Villa. They will have a whole ton of insurance matters to work out plus other stuff which I am not aware about.

I also don't think they suffer much from the lack of manpower, but rather more critically, time.

I do recall that a local company based in Singapore called Sembawang E&C is working on Bayfront station, just a note. Sembawang E&C is supposed to be at Botanic Gardens too.

Nope. CCL4 is divided into 2 contracts - 854 and 855. 845 is for Caldecott, Bukit Brown, Botanic Gardens and Farrer Road while 855 consisted of Holland Village, Buona Vista, Kent Ridge and fit-out works for one-north. If I'm not wrong, 854 was won by Taisei. 855 was a joint venture by Shanghai Tunneling and another company.

CCL5 came under contract 856 for Haw Par Villa, Pasir Panjang, Labrador Park and Telok Blangah. The contract also includes the Pasir Panjang cripple siding and the HarbourFront cross-over. HarbourFront, I'm not too sure if it is included in 856 or comes under 859A. Anyway, 856 came under SembCorp.


C855 was a JV comprising Woh Hup, STEC & Alpine. C856 was Sembawang (formerly Sembcorp) - part of the huge Indian Punj Lloyd group

I am assuimg that you mistyped "845 for is Caldecott..." and that you meant 854.

So, from your chart, I can assume:

Taisei - Caldecott, Bukit Brown, Botanic Gardens, Farrer Road
Shanghai Tunneling - Holland Village, Buona Vista, Kent Ridge, one-north
SembCorp - Haw Par Villa, Pasir Panjang, Labrador Park, Telok Blangah

We can technically assume neither the workers at Taisei nor Shanghai has any legitimate reason to rescue Haw Par Villa. They will have a whole ton of insurance matters to work out plus other stuff which I am not aware about.

I also don't think they suffer much from the lack of manpower, but rather more critically, time.

I do recall that a local company based in Singapore called Sembawang E&C is working on Bayfront station, just a note. Sembawang E&C is supposed to be at Botanic Gardens too.


Sembawang is at Botanic under DTL2 - C919 (Botanic CCL was Taisei); their scope includes Stevens Station and the bored tunnels in between the 2 DTL2 stations too

Doesn't look familiar in the thread.
Very detailed map regarding the stations location and tunnel alignment for the DTL1. If only Bugis and Chinatown were connected.. the extra loop around Marina Bay looks time consuming :ohno:
By the way whats C907?

Bugis to outram park is 8mins on EWL, and 5mins walk to chinatown area. In comparison, on DTL it's only 10mins. To me that's like super fast already.

Bugis to outram park is 8mins on EWL, and 5mins walk to chinatown area. In comparison, on DTL it's only 10mins. To me that's like super fast already.

OR you can take DTL2 up to LTI (lol you wait lah a few more years) and down to Chinatown by NEL.

^^
But don't forget to add in the time to transfer and waiting time for trains at both LTI and Chinatown, for all you know the DTL train you're waiting for at chinatown could be the one that you've alighted from at little india :lol:

Maybe they should have just joined Bugis and Chinatown as part of the main line, and make the DTL1 a loop extension.

^^ That will just make things more confusing, plus, it needs a depot. :)

Anyway, thought this might be interesting, old Promenade renders!

http://i52.tinypic.com/1zlrtrl.jpghttp://i52.tinypic.com/2lmvqiv.jpg

i presume the left is DTL, the right is CCL. both platforms will be used for CCL. kthxbai.

Actually...they were found in the CCL section on LTA's site.

you can see from the left pic that it looks nothing like the current CCL platform and it is stacked configuration

Its a render, its not usually entirely accurate. There's no telling that DTL Promenade will look like that either.

A little off topic here.. Will you guys be starting a separate thread to discuss possible CCL Stage 6 routes?

Don't think so. You could probably look for a thread called Future lines including ERL, BTL. That might be an appropriate thread for speculation on possible stage 6 routes.

I find it quite interesting that the left picture clearly shows a covered-up platform, which I guess was the final approved design for CCL Promenade before DTL came in, forcing them to make some changes.


Anyway, thought this might be interesting, old Promenade renders!

http://i52.tinypic.com/1zlrtrl.jpghttp://i52.tinypic.com/2lmvqiv.jpg

A little off topic here.. Will you guys be starting a separate thread to discuss possible CCL Stage 6 routes?

I would expect most of the CCL6 discussion to be in this thread, the name of which should in my opinion be simplified to "Circle Line". The "on track to open by 2010" is no longer relevant to reality.

http://propertygrp.com/2010/09/23/jurong-gateway-and-paya-lebar-central-up-and-coming-commercial-hubs-2/

Not sure if this article has already been posted in this forum, but in one paragraph it states that Buona Vista, Bishan, Serangoon, Paya Lebar and Marine Parade are sub-regional centres to be linked by orbital rail lines like the Circle Line.

Could this be a reference to a future CCL extension to Marine Parade, as originally envisioned in the 1996 White Paper?

Marine Parade is a pretty vague term...

Bartley, MacPherson and Tai Seng are in the Marine Parade boundaries...

^^ Well, it doesn't look official so usually, I would take it with a pinch of salt. Anyway, took some pics related to the Caldecott station at the Toa Payoh Master Plan showcase. Whoever did the photoshop of the Circle Line route isn't that good. The CCLe is not even attached to the entire CCL! :nuts:

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/207530_10150214165362040_671067039_8839916_2669680_n.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/207530_10150214165362040_671067039_8839916_2669680_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205440_10150214165452040_671067039_8839917_4596341_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205440_10150214165452040_671067039_8839917_4596341_n.jpg

Thanks again Mith. :) The placement of Caldecott station certainly looks out of place now, especially with the current positioning of the exits. It was only foreseeable that the road between them would be extended and developments spring up along it. :)

Okay, I have decided to post my investigations into the the Promenade mystery and believe I have tried my best to clear up all the loose ends. For those who are sick of Promenade, just take a final glance.

Firstly, we take a look at this map, released in 2005, one year after the Nicoll Highway collapse.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2cwrlox.jpg

From it, we can deduce that Nicoll Highway was built as a cross platform interchange to accommodate the Bukit Timah Line. We also learn that Promenade was intended to be a stacked Circle Line station all along.

There were a lot of information and news reports that the Bukit Timah Line was supposed to terminate at Nicoll Highway. We also know that Promenade was supposed to have a branch line heading towards Chinatown. However! The DTE was supposed to be run by the same company that runs the Circle Line. Hence, the unused platforms were actually intended to serve the Downtown Extension.

Remember this picture?

http://i54.tinypic.com/35naur8.jpg

It was probably drawn up before the Nicoll Highway collapse, after all, you don't build a station without approval and directions. I suspect that the circled text was meant for the Downtown Extension expansion to Nicoll Highway. The reason for the stacked platforms at the original Nicoll Highway was meant for a future potential expansion towards Promenade. LTA does have a lot of provisions in place all over Singapore and this is something we can't disprove. In fact, it can be seen clearly in this diagram formulating a future link towards Nicoll Highway.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/images/millenia_station.jpg
Take note, Millenia was the working name of Promenade.

In this render too:

http://i52.tinypic.com/2lmvqiv.jpg

After the collapse, plans changed. Nicoll Highway could no longer function as a interchange. The Bukit Timah Line was scrapped and merged with the Downtown Extension, hence it's new namesake, Downtown Line. As a result, plans were modified. In the original plan, Bayfront was supposed to be a normal station on the Downtown Extension. LTA desperately needed a cross platform interchange somewhere on it's new route, so the current iteration was born. Meanwhile, the opposite platforms at Promenade will remain useless and unused - literally forever.

http://i52.tinypic.com/1zlrtrl.jpg

as you have highlighted, stations are not built without direction and purpose, so I am inclined to believe Bayfront was planned to be cross platform all along.

you cant build a station halfway and suddenly decide to make it cross platform, especially for something that requires this much integration from tunnels to location of utilities and services within the station. Bayfront started works pretty early itself (not as early as Promenade I will admit), so if Promenade cant even modify a cross platform provision for the new plans, I find it difficult to believe Bayfront can be transformed from normal to cross platform.

combined with the strange design of EPN, NCH, PMN, EPN and BFT are probably planned as a continuous series of interchanges in the city for passengers to change onto different lines with CCL as the backbone, maximizing its function as a orbital line. thus, I still think the previous guess by one of the skyscrapees (lol) more likely.

i still dont see how this makes sense and how the unused platform at PMN will forever be unused. it just doesnt make sense to me, sorry. and your whole argument seems pretty vague.

was DTE supposed to skip Nicoll Highway and head Bayfront?

Why was DTE supposed to start at NCH knowing BTL needed to stop there?

How can a station be suddenly transformed to an interchange (a cross platform one at that) in the midst of the collapse?

The platforms at PMN will still be useable. I choose to believe so and remain hopeful that things turn out this way. If it doesn't, then it's really a waste.

^^ the PMN platforms are not going to be unused forever. its just that its planned use is now redundant/impossible.

no doubt the platforms can still serve their functions one day, but I doubt it will be in the short term or within this decade. when a line approaching in the right direction is planned to pass by the area, modifications (no doubt extensive, given those tunnels are only open on one end and the open end already has its orientation set) can then be made to accommodate the line.

We also know that Promenade was supposed to have a branch line heading towards Chinatown. However! The DTE was supposed to be run by the same company that runs the Circle Line. Hence, the unused platforms were actually intended to serve the DTE.

The branch line is the DTE right?

I don't get the second part. What has the operator of the DTE and CCL got to do with the unused platforms? Are both lines of a stacked platforms to be used by the same operator only?

I suspect that the circled text was meant for the DTE extention to Nicoll Highway. The reason for the stacked platforms at the original Nicoll Highway was meant for a future potential expansion towards Promenade. LTA does have a lot of provisions in place all over Singapore and this is something we can't disprove. In fact, it can be seen clearly in this diagram formulating a future link towards Nicoll Highway.

Some misunderstanding here: DTE extension was meant to be up to NCH? I thought NCH was just going to serve the CCL and BTL, where the BTL service terminates and thats just it.

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I believe the unused platforms would be used somehow in the future. Especially since the platform walls are hollow, and they still bothered to lay the tracks there.

DTE was supposed to merge with the BTL in the future, that's my theory. When I say merge, I meant literally connect. Maybe I am wrong about Bayfront, but LTA states that construction on the station only started in January 2008, they had time to modify their plans.

Since the DTE tunnels were linked to the CCL tunnels, you would nearly always require the same operator with same rolling stock. (plus all the technical details.)

I changed my idea on the platforms being useless, as deskoh so helpfully posted, they are no longer able to serve their intended use. But any line coming from the South West will require very heavy modifications to infrastructure and schedules. Aboveground, it is much easier to manage trains crossing each other's path every 5 mins when compared to underground.

^^ the level crossing is indeed a bottleneck that will be very expensive to rectify. many instances of waiting trains are due to the need to wait for a particular train to pass by a particular crossing.

LTA may have ignored it if the line was expected to be low capacity, something like the pre-JEMP Jurong East when that branch used to only serve three stations. thus sometimes I really wonder what sort of line was expected to use that crossing, since it is planned to be low capacity and yet going to be similar in dimensions to the medium capacity CCL.

Promenade is still going to be an interchange like Raffles?

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Probably, but not in the near future. (If you're talking about the current CCL platform, and the unused ones opposite it)

Really, the only solution is for the main line to use the unused platforms, and for the CCL branch to use the current platforms. I don't know what LTA was thinking when they decided that the level crossing was a good idea. For a system with insufficient redundancies, the level crossing is going to be the bane of the system. How far could the CCL possibly reduce its frequencies before the level crossing becomes a hindrance?

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Probably, but not in the near future. (If you're talking about the current CCL platform, and the unused ones opposite it)

I thought the opposite platforms are for the Bayfront extension?

^^ No, they will use the current platforms. The tunnels leading towards Bayfront has been dug open and is viewable at the current platforms. For trains returning from Marina Bay, they will head to HarbourFront and not reverse back.

LTA may have ignored it if the line was expected to be low capacity, something like the pre-JEMP Jurong East when that branch used to only serve three stations. thus sometimes I really wonder what sort of line was expected to use that crossing, since it is planned to be low capacity and yet going to be similar in dimensions to the medium capacity CCL.

We know LTA can be very ambitious at times...the middle platform thing at Paya Lebar supposing to serve "Marine Parade"...

@ Selo: Nice theory. You must've put a good deal of thought into that. About Bayfront though, it was only announced in 2006 or so? That was already after the Nicoll Highway collapse. At the time of announcement, plans would have probably already been in place for a stacked station with 4 tracks. Perhaps as a replacement for Nicoll Highway?

Really, the only solution is for the main line to use the unused platforms, and for the CCL branch to use the current platforms. I don't know what LTA was thinking when they decided that the level crossing was a good idea. For a system with insufficient redundancies, the level crossing is going to be the bane of the system. How far could the CCL possibly reduce its frequencies before the level crossing becomes a hindrance?
I don't think that is possible. The unused platform turning radius to get to Esplanade is way too tight. As is, from the current platform, trains already reach the maximum turning radii, what more from a platform that is further in.

Today's non-Promenade mystery
I was walking along Bukit Timah Road today and passed by the entrance to the Botanic Gardens station. The RATIS LED seemed to display a destination if I didn't see it wrongly. I can't be sure though if it was indeed an end-destination as I was far away enough not to make out details, but close enough to see a display. It was only on the side where Dhoby Ghaut usually is and seemed to be of the same size as the end-destination displays at other CCL stations. Following that brief display, it went back to the common "Welcome to Circle Line station" in the old font. So now... the question is, did I really see a destination? Or was it a simple systems test? Were trains running underneath while I was walking on the surface? :)

Wow. What time were you at the station? I passed by BTN and detoured to FRR to take a look before going home.. at about 3.30pm? Shutters were down, and the LED display only showed 'Station Closed' followed by the date and time, and the cycle repeats.

@ Selo: Nice theory. You must've put a good deal of thought into that. About Bayfront though, it was only announced in 2006 or so? That was already after the Nicoll Highway collapse. At the time of announcement, plans would have probably already been in place for a stacked station with 4 tracks. Perhaps as a replacement for Nicoll Highway?

How many times have you heard the same theory before? :lol:

On a more serious note, I would say that even if it was announced in 2006, they might already have the station's intended basic structure drawn up perhaps before 2004. I would think that LTA originally intended for the opening of the station to coincide with MBS. Speaking of MBS, when was it first brought up? :)

Bayfront seems to be the replacement of Nicoll Highway by all accounts and facts I can gather. :cheers:

As for Botanic Gardens, (what a relief of fresh air :lol:), I would say that if RATIS is working, there are a couple of red and white monster worms with bright eyes diving through the tunnels. At the very least sitting at the platforms.

Wow. What time were you at the station? I passed by BTN and detoured to FRR to take a look before going home.. at about 3.30pm? Shutters were down, and the LED display only showed 'Station Closed' followed by the date and time, and the cycle repeats.
I was there at around 4pm or so. I know I did see some small font, but I couldn't make out what it was. It was too short to be the default date and time display as I've seen on the HarbourFront LEDs. Perhaps those would be good other places to check out for updates to the RATIS system. Wel... The BTN entrance seems accessible with the hoardings more or less removed. I wonder if they will prevent people from walking up to the entrance - it does have its roller shutter down after all. Perhaps there could be a better view from there, up close.

Anyway, really interesting update you have :) I'll pay more attention to the LED at BTN and other CCL stations i pass by now.

Quote Selo:
"there are a couple of red and white monster worms with bright eyes diving through the tunnels."

Haha nice! :lol:

^^ Actually red and black, but...eh. :nuts:

If mrtfreak was there at 4 and circleline there at 3:30...you guys may have actually walked past each other.

About the Promenade unused platform, I'm not sure if this was mentioned a long time ago, but I once knock on the unused platform wall, it sounded like wood, a temporary hoarding as noted on the section drawing.

About MBS (info from Wikipedia)...
Las Vegas Sands, the owner, was declared the winner on 26 May 2006. The contractor is SsangYong E&C. Originally planned to open in a single phase in 2009, but delayed into phases: 27 April 2010, grand opening on 23 June 2010, 30 November 2010 and 19 February 2011.

Taken from Wikipedia, editted
On 27 April 2010, Marina Bay Sands had the first of a planned 3 to 4 phase openings. The casino, parts of the conference hall, a segment of the Shoppes, 963 hotel rooms and the event plaza were opened...as part of the "preview opening".

On 23 June 2010, the resort had its official opening with a "2-day celebration"; this includes the Sands SkyPark, the Event Plaza along Marina Bay, more shops, additional dining options and nightlife offerings, and the rest of the hotel rooms.

The two Sands theatres were completed in time for the first performance by Riverdance on November 30, 2010. The ArtScience Museum opened its doors to the public at 10 am on February 19, 2011.

More Promenadeyness for you all. Discussing this is like opening a can of worms... :ohno:

www.mspsystem.com/downloads/Project%20Reference.pdf
Monitoring of the abandon tunnel along Promenade MRT Station during construction of the Downtown Line
#25 on Page 4 of 7.

^^ how you managed to dig this up amazes me :lol: abandoned tunnel can refer to that tunnel at the station or some "hidden" tunnel after the oddly angled bend leading from/to the unused platform... though a few accounts told me that bend is just a dead end, I cant see too clearly myself despite passing it a few times.

Thanks Aranho, I daresay they did intended to complete the station along with MBS together. Bayfront was probably a critical deal for them to do business here.

mrtfreak, the worms are goodies once the puzzle pieces fit together. I am pretty confident on my proposal - until someone finds a way to dispute it. And I daresay the quote up there pretty much sealed my deal. :)

(I won't say that I am 100% correct...)

edit: So far, mdzulkar9 seems to be my most vocal opponent, am pretty interested on how he will zero in on the flaws in my theory. :)

:lol: Its the kind of information one chances upon when conducting random searches. For this one, I just happened to type "Downtown Line Newton station" and google it. PDF files are noted under a google search and they can turn up the least expected information. :) I'm pretty sure that the abandon tunnels referred to are the non-utilised box tunnels that lead away from the unused platforms. They probably don't go very far according to the architectural drawings of Promenade we've seen.

Bayfront under the DTE would've opened in 2012, same as is being done now. Unless you're talking about something else when you mention it opening together with MBS...

Bayfront under the DTE would've opened in 2012, same as is being done now. Unless you're talking about something else when you mention it opening together with MBS...

Hmm...no, I wasn't talking about something else. I have not read anywhere that Bayfront under DTE would have opened in 2012...though.

Nevermind, I trust your knowledge in this case. :)

^^ the DTE was planned to open in 2012 thus Bayfront is in the list.

hmm okay ill just throw whats on my mind right now (LOL AT BEING THE MOST VOCAL OPPONENT LOLOLOL.

If the currently unused platforms at Promenade are going to be used, it's more likely to be a terminal for CCLe and in the future, the CCL6. The abandoned tunnels are probably the tunnels that lead to the original NCH.

I believe both platforms were gonna serve towards BYF anyway, and possibly towards NCH but not to DBG. (I believe, due to the radii of the tunnels only the current platforms can be used for DBG).

While I would love to believe that the current unused platforms are going to be used for CCLe, the mystery of it still stands. Why make the whole station look like a stacked interchange (a la City Hall) when they could've just make it look like Braddel (which is a stacked station) in the first place?

In other news, WHAT IF (WHAT IF LAH EH) the PYL platform (the one that serves DBG) is more likely to be converted into the Marine Parade fork and the middle platform were to serve the main line? Thoughts?

Because Braddell is ugly. If CCL Extension wants to use the unused platforms, they will have to tear down the dividing walls and have a sliding further ahead. :p

Umm, if I'm not wrong, Braddell is of a side platform configuration. You wouldn't be able to see the other train through the gaps in the wall between the tracks at both ends of the station if it were of a stacked formation...

Anyway, some CCL4 photos.

CC22 Buona Vista

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00620.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00620.jpg

You can see the remote fareline for the lift access.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00621.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00621.jpg

MOE entrance is dark while transfer linkway entrance is bright. LED RATIS is just flashing a red bar.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00622.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00622.jpg

Transfer linkway from MOE exit. You can see the PSGs are mostly installed along the WB EWL platform. Speed has certainly picked up - the frames along both platforms were installed in under a week.

CC21 Holland Village

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00623.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00623.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00624.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/DSC00624.jpg

and I think we have the first CCL4/5 station with signages up. over at Telok Blangah on the opposite side of the overhead bridge. lightboxed station sign not up yet though.

I remembered LTA promising that all roads that were diverted to facilitate the CCL4&5 construction would be diverted back by March.. Holland Village is still quite messy?

Thanks for the photos mrtfreak, buona vista is starting to look interesting :)

I walked from Buona Vista to Botanic Gardens today to check out CCL4, was actually meaning to walk all the way back to Marymount. Unfortunately, I took a wrong turn at Botanic Gardens and ended up somewhere on Bukit Timah road. :lol:

I will walk from Buona Vista to HarbourFront tomorrow, in the meantime.

RATIS at Holland Village
http://i54.tinypic.com/vnjlz8.jpg

RATIS at Farrer Road
http://i53.tinypic.com/256g21x.jpg

Looking down Farrer Road
http://i55.tinypic.com/2el6qfd.jpg

Farrer Road AGAIN
http://i51.tinypic.com/2rx86lg.jpg

Sign holder at Botanic Gardens
http://i52.tinypic.com/29mvuog.jpg

Front shot of Botanic Gardens
http://i52.tinypic.com/11vr5nc.jpg

Most mysterious find of all - what's this?
http://i53.tinypic.com/21orjvl.jpg

Hope you guys enjoy it. :)

Yaayyyy! :D
Sign holder is up at BTN already? Didn't notice it, i was expecting it to be nearer to be nearer to Bukit Timah Road instead of Cluny Park, anyway nice shots of the stations! Love the sky ;)

Whats with the 'Microsoft' error message in the first picture? :lol:

About the last picture.. where did you find it? :)

Erm, aren't ya not suppose to use your cam and take pics at MRT installations? XD
Botanic Gardens is really beautiful and blends into Botanic Gardens nicely.

circleline4, found it at Farrer Road, it was on a wooden panel next to the lift. :p

Aranho, not inside the system. Outside, I think they are fine with it. :lol:

Train testing timings and its dates? although i don't know why 15 and 16 is ticked. And whats ISCS? :lol:

I remembered LTA promising that all roads that were diverted to facilitate the CCL4&5 construction would be diverted back by March.. Holland Village is still quite messy?

Thanks for the photos mrtfreak, buona vista is starting to look interesting :)
They are in the process of reinstating the roads back to the original layout. The major part to be done is the junction area at the traffic lights. They're working out the utilities and backfilling of Holland Road above the station first and then probably will work on realigning Holland Avenue which leads to the Holland Village area proper.

Its kind of a pity the way the station is built... A person in a wheelchair intending to get to the MOE exit will have a rather difficult time getting across.
Lift 1 - EWL platform to transfer mezzanine
Lift 2 - Transfer mezz to CCL concourse
Lift 3 - CCL concourse to exit

Train testing timings and its dates? although i don't know why 15 and 16 is ticked. And whats ISCS? :lol:
Going on a wild guess here - Integrated Signal Communications System? Heh.

The date though, that I saw the RATIS at BTN was on 5/04/2011. And it certainly did not look like the RATIS in Selo's picture. Font was much smaller.