MRT Circle Line - Connecting all lines [Archive] - Page 24

circleline4

December 26th, 2011, 07:12 AM

Got back some good stuff today. :)
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The first test train pulled in at about 11.30am.
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You might not be able to see but, the [10] terminating number is show on the screen in the 2nd picture.

Over at Marina Bay:
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The 3 escalators on the left are the paid escalators to the CCL concourse.
The 2 on the right are the unpaid escalators to the CCL concourse.
On the far right (where skylight is pouring in) are 2 escalators leading to the CCL exit.
The lift to the CCL concourse is on the far left.
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And also the new Marina Bay terminating announcement:
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sandstorm6299

December 26th, 2011, 10:31 AM

"Stopping" at Promenade and heading to Marina Bay, I assume?

Mith252

December 26th, 2011, 10:32 AM

^^ Likely to be the case. I also saw that notice at Dhoby Ghaut CCL station.

circleline4

December 26th, 2011, 02:34 PM

SMRT has officially confirmed alternate services for CCLe.

Systems test to affect some Circle Line commuters (http://www.straitstimes.com/The-Big-Story/The-Big-Story-3/Story/STIStory_748857.html)

Some Circle Line passengers heading from HarbourFront station towards Dhoby Ghaut station on Tuesday and on New Year's Day may have to get off at Promenade station, and take another train to their destination.

This is because SMRT is conducting a systems test before the opening of two stations next month.

These are Bayfront and Marina Bay, which is an interchange with the existing Marina Bay station on the North-South Line.

Both are part of the Circle Line's extension that will take passengers to the Marina Bay area.

The tests started on Monday and will continue on Tuesday and on New Year's Day.

An SMRT spokesman said that, on the Circle Line extension, trains leaving HarbourFront will end their trips at either the Dhoby Ghaut or Marina Bay station.

'The diversion point, known as a fork route junction, is at Promenade station,' the spokesman added.

'This set-up requires new control and monitoring functions to determine which terminal station the train will be heading to.'

Passengers can refer to the plasma screens at the Circle Line platforms, which will show whether the train will end at the Dhoby Ghaut or Promenade station.

Should the train end its journey at Promenade station, Dhoby Ghaut-bound passengers are advised to alight and wait for the next train that heads there.

The Circle Line's 2.4km extension, which stretches from Promenade station to Marina Bay station, will open on Jan 14.
Some people just have to accept the truth. On the other hand, I'm glad SMRT made an effort to finally announce it.

"Stopping" at Promenade and heading to Marina Bay, I assume?
mhmm. Like CCL4/5, SMRT keys in a different name for the end destination during trial tests. Only RATIS screens display the fake terminal name. The in train LED VPIS and announcements features the actual terminal. This is also why you'd see the [10] end destination number above Promenade. :)

don diego 2000

December 26th, 2011, 04:39 PM

They are starting to take away the sticker and reveal the CCL extension on the system map in the stations.

Seen at Tampines MRT station:

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http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu22/don_diego_2000/IMG_0279.jpg

And CCLe and CCL to Doby Ghaut definitely seem to be alternate services. If it was a shuttle service like the CGE on the EWL, Promenade would look as an interchange station, like Tanah Merah.

circleline4

December 27th, 2011, 10:31 AM

CCLe test day 2.

Although actual operations would run from HBF-DBG/MRB, SMRT currently runs test trains from Stadium to Marina Bay.
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Workers were removing and installing signboards and stickers on site.
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Bayfront

Exit B, new directional signboard at MBS's south entrance.
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Exit C, hoarding still up.
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Exit D, hoarding still up.
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Exit E, me and mrtfreak believe we have found a surface exit. Similar to Exit B, there are 2 levels. The platform to Mezz level belongs to the station, while the Mezz to street level belongs to MBS. The surface exit in the picture below is the latter.
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Exit A, CCLe testing shown on the RATIS.
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Skylights?
There's this green thing popping in the middle of the road divider. It has a glass panel on the top. Tracing back to Bayfront's layout, it fits directly above where the circular atrium around exits B,C and D are.
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At Marina Bay, testing shown on the RATIS too.
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At Dhoby Ghaut, platform and PSD boards have fully been replaced. My hands were so itchy, almost ripped off all the masking.
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Sticker on the GTMs have been removed too.
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luacs1998

December 28th, 2011, 04:24 AM

I sure hope none of you were behind this, right?
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqJaGdwSvG1c%26feature%3Dg-u%26context%3DG2789939FUAAAAAAABAA&h=kAQFK4KxuAQH8lxuw77ocHKPHXctScalEGSdrJG89dMeyIg

don diego 2000

December 28th, 2011, 07:11 AM

^^ Great stuff circleline4! :bow:

Seloloving

December 28th, 2011, 10:37 AM

In Hong Kong now. Will be back at 1 in the morning. Can't wait to see the new stuff! :)

Skyrobot

December 28th, 2011, 01:54 PM

@ circleline4: Amazing detective work, thanks so much!

wd1

December 28th, 2011, 04:59 PM

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i know i am nitpicking, but the MRT system map above would seem to show that the CCLe branches off after Nicoll Highway, and that Bayfront-bound trains do NOT go through Promenade....

circleline4

December 28th, 2011, 05:12 PM

^^
This has been discussed before. You might like to refer to this reply (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=80671138&postcount=2994) from LTA. :)

Thanks skyrobot and don diego for the positive feedback, glad y'all enjoyed the photos. *cough (not like some other people)

Seloloving

December 29th, 2011, 05:17 AM

This morning, my taxi passed by MacPherson and Tai Seng stations at around 1. The RATIS was showing Stadium.

Seloloving

December 29th, 2011, 01:21 PM

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Wow...risky. :nuts:

circleline4

January 1st, 2012, 10:23 AM

Back from the last day of trial runs for CCLe. SMRT decided to run it full HBF-MRB/DBG today. Crowd management was alright, they manage to clear everyone out in time.

Stations as far as Stadium has all its boards and stickers updated with CCLe. Didn't look out for the other stations, Botanic Gardens is still stagnant.
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I honestly feel that the timings for CCLe should be the timings as if the train is heading for MRB, and not DBG. Currently they put a 4 min gap between Promenade and Bayfront. If the train was heading for Marina Bay, the extra 4 minutes would be redundant. Vice versa for Promenade - Esplanade.

Either add in a default message on the chart indicating the alternate possibility, or standardize is by simply adding/don't add the 4 min of waiting time for the alternate train.

Seloloving

January 1st, 2012, 10:29 AM

Excuse me, where is the first photo taken? DBG BBS EPN section?

Yeah, Serangoon remains untouched yesterday, and the station is effing dark.

deskoh91

January 1st, 2012, 10:31 AM

^^ I thought they will leave a footnote there saying average waiting time for the train that reaches the branch is 4 mins like Changi Airport.

circleline4

January 1st, 2012, 10:33 AM

Selo, Esplanade.

^^
haha yeah, CGL probably has the footnote cause it's a shuttle. there aren't any notes at the bottom of the ccl boards.

Seloloving

January 1st, 2012, 10:35 AM

I still think my map which depicted the main line in the middle is better. The map looks very lopsided leh...

mcarling

January 1st, 2012, 08:05 PM

I would prefer that they indicate a range of possible times, for example "4-9 min".

calebleeyw

January 2nd, 2012, 04:16 AM

Seloloving

January 3rd, 2012, 07:15 AM

Boards from Dhoby Ghaut to Bishan have all been replaced. :)

circleline4

January 3rd, 2012, 08:33 AM

First/Last train timing signboards have not been updated, at least at Farrer Road, as of today.

Seloloving

January 3rd, 2012, 12:06 PM

Nor have the timings been updated at the other stations. :)

mrtfreak

January 3rd, 2012, 01:30 PM

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Set 21 today.

eX.A.K.R.

January 3rd, 2012, 05:30 PM

Seloloving

January 3rd, 2012, 05:30 PM

Thanks mrtfreak. I am pretty most of the sets have the new maps up now. :)

I dislike it, though. The mainline should have been centralized, not shifted to the top.

Hmmm... they are not marking Promenade as an interchange. Interesting.

Why would they mark it as an interchange? :lol:

Blackraven

January 3rd, 2012, 05:39 PM

Why would they mark it as an interchange? :lol:

Hehe the most obvious reason would be that Downtown Line is still under construction. When services for DTL are online at that station, that's the only time the panels will be changed to inform people that Promenade is an interchange station.

P.S.
If they decide to restore the Changi Airport through-train in the future, do you think they will do this to Tanah Merah as well?

What is a through train? :)

AFAIK, the current set-up is that if you want to travel to the Airport by local trains, the procedure is:
-East West train Line then alight/get-off at Tanah Merah station
-Then Tanah Merah station to Expo then Airport

Hehe so yeah, what is a through train? :)

Seloloving

January 3rd, 2012, 05:50 PM

Hehe the most obvious reason would be that Downtown Line is still under construction. When services for DTL are online at that station, that's the only time the panels will be changed to inform people that Promenade is an interchange station.

If you notice, Bayfront haven't got it's DT symbol yet. :lol:

What is a through train?

Instead of the current shuttle service between Changi Airport and Tanah Merah, trains use to terminate alternately at both Pasir Ris and Changi Airport stations until too many people complained about the arrangement.

mrtfreak

January 3rd, 2012, 06:01 PM

Hmmm... they are not marking Promenade as an interchange. Interesting.

If they decide to restore the Changi Airport through-train in the future, do you think they will do this to Tanah Merah as well?
I think they've learnt from the Changi Airport branch. When that came on, Tanah Merah was marked as an interchange. However, it never really functioned as a point of transfer between lines. When it broke off as a shuttle route, the indication didn't change either. This ended up with people getting confused (tourists) and travelling back to Expo. As such, this system works better. I think you'd also notice that Bukit Panjang LRT station is not indicated as an interchange although it is both the convergence point of the loop service as well as a transfer station for the shuttle to Ten Mile Junction.

If through service were restored on the Changi Airport branch, its hard to say what would be done. In the name of consistency, I can only say yes. But I would never know for sure.

Blackraven

January 3rd, 2012, 06:21 PM

If you notice, Bayfront haven't got it's DT symbol yet. :lol:

Haha yeah, Bayfront/MBS too. We'll see what happens by next year. :)

Anyways
Slightly OT, but I remember that you guys (if not you then maybe some of your fellow countrymen) replied to my question that I asked regarding what should I choose when traveling between Promenade and Bayfront/MBS.

After all, both stations will be part of BOTH Circle and Downtown train lines. Which is the better option here:
1) Take CCL
2) Ride on the DTL line

This is the typical scenario that I myself envision being and encountering in the future as a foreign tourist who wishes to travel between Marina Bay Sands Hotel and the yearly Anime Festival Asia expo over at Suntec Convention Centre.

In this case, both origin and destination points are covered by both train lines. Hence:
What line would I take? What would the pros and/or cons be? Or is it too early to tell? (i.e. DTL services must open first then only then can a judgment/verdict be made)

I feel that this may have been answered before but I forgot what your answers were hehe :P

Lastly:

Instead of the current shuttle service between Changi Airport and Tanah Merah, trains use to terminate alternately at both Pasir Ris and Changi Airport stations until too many people complained about the arrangement.

Hmm....what you speak of above.....is it similar to the arrangement of the Tsueng Kwan O Line of the Hong Kong MTR???

Seloloving

January 3rd, 2012, 06:42 PM

Both the CCL and DTL will deliver you to both destinations. Though if you were at Promenade heading towards Bayfront, take the CCL to walk less. :)

Hmm....what you speak of above.....is it similar to the arrangement of the Tsueng Kwan O Line of the Hong Kong MTR???

Sorry, I have never been to Hong Kong MTR. Just imagine

1st train - Marina Bay
2nd train - Dhoby Ghaut
3rd train - Marina Bay
4th train - Dhoby Ghaut

:)

Blackraven

January 3rd, 2012, 06:58 PM

Both the CCL and DTL will deliver you to both destinations.

I agree with you on that 100% because that is truthfully the case.

Though if you were at Promenade heading towards Bayfront, take the CCL to walk less. :)

I saw the wiki article on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promenade_MRT_Station

And if it is correct in any way, you are right in that the DTL services in that station will be located a few more basements down or lower. All things being same or equal (i.e. price/fare to get to your station remains the same regardless if one chooses either CCL or DTL in this case), then I'm suspecting that choosing DTL will make sense if the CCL train is crowded or if the CCL train breaks down.

Also:

Sorry, I have never been to Hong Kong MTR. Just imagine

1st train - Marina Bay
2nd train - Dhoby Ghaut
3rd train - Marina Bay
4th train - Dhoby Ghaut

:)

Yeah, after reading the wiki article, I guess in a way it's similar to Tsueng Kwan O Line of Hong Kong in that there is branching involved (i.e. TKO station service split with one ending at Po Lam and the other ending at LOHAS PARK). In the case of TKO Line, it's '3+1' so for singapore, it looks like it's 2+2.

EDIT:
Wait I just realized something.
The official website of Suntec Singapore says the the closest train station is Esplanade.

After checking for myself with Google Maps, it looks like they're right:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100784914022702468877.00048c64a2f4dc3e3b774

I guess that ends my dilemma once and for all after seeing that.

Lol why did I even bother asking this question :P:nuts::lol:

Seloloving

January 4th, 2012, 03:16 AM

^^ Glad it's all cleared up. :)

In other news, did anyone notice the station names on the new route map have been confined to a single line? It looks much neater now. :)

y2koh

January 4th, 2012, 03:20 AM

Seloloving

January 4th, 2012, 05:21 AM

Sad to say, the integrated RATIS is freaking hideous and lack any thought at all.

Blackraven

January 4th, 2012, 09:57 AM

Suntec is freaking huge, so it's actually served by 2 stations. The convention centre is closer to Esplanade, while Carrefour is closer to Promenade. That being said, the "Fountain of Wealth" provides easy access to both sides of the development, so there is always the option of going straight to PMN and see which train comes first (The integrated RATIS will display both lines, i.e all 5 directions) to save myself from the transferring.

Interesting

Btw, I checked google maps
According to them, it says that the distance between CC3 Esplanade and CC4 Promenade is exactly 1.0 kilometer.

That's the shortest distance between any two train stations in your country, correct? :)

mrtfreak

January 4th, 2012, 10:06 AM

No. Clarke Quay and Chinatown are about 500 metres apart on the North East Line.

circleline4

January 4th, 2012, 10:39 AM

Suntec is indeed big. From EPN to PMN, it consists of the SICEC, Tower 5, 1, 2, 3 and 4, including the underground shopping belt surrounding the fountain. Not forgetting the 3 levels of shops linking the towers together.

If you're at tower 5 or the CC, i suggest taking a ~5 - 10 min brisk walk to esplanade. If you're in between towers 1 and 4, i'd say walk to promenade.

Some inside info from LTA, the public is free to view Bayfront and Marina Bay stations next friday from 6pm to 9.30 pm. There'd be an official opening ceremony for the extension 3 hours earlier.

Mith252

January 4th, 2012, 10:43 AM

^^ Nice!! Thanks for the info. :)

y2koh

January 4th, 2012, 11:30 AM

Suntec is indeed big. From EPN to PMN, it consists of the SICEC, Tower 5, 1, 2, 3 and 4, including the underground shopping belt surrounding the fountain. Not forgetting the 3 levels of shops linking the towers together.

If you're at tower 5 or the CC, i suggest taking a ~5 - 10 min brisk walk to esplanade. If you're in between towers 1 and 4, i'd say walk to promenade.

Few people probably known about this shortcut, from Convention Centre (through CP & Koi Pond)/Twr 5 (escalator near e-life), go the basement and walk towards the fountain, turn right at the fountain and exit at the first quartercircle (Millenia Walk), get up the escalator, walk straight and you'll find the entrance to PMN, takes around 5-7mins (380m).

mrtfreak

January 4th, 2012, 12:41 PM

^^ :lol: That's what I always do. Somehow prefer using one station over the other some times.

Seloloving

January 4th, 2012, 02:59 PM

ddes

January 5th, 2012, 03:36 AM

I get the impression that SMRT is displeased at the prospect of 4 mins frequencies for the full day and are working on the Stadium shuttle alternative.

They have not chosen a viable option, in other words...
Why can't they just run the trains at low frequencies? It's not like people are actually using the CCL1 enough, besides lunchtime (where they take the train to Dakota/Mountbatten for lunch... my mom remarks alot of ppl working near Promenade do that) and the morning and evening rush hours.

kaiser11

January 5th, 2012, 04:53 AM

There is a open house day for Circle Line extension.

http://app.lta.gov.sg/corp_press_content.asp?start=t89i1holr8zr2ut7irdtwonb461ayv5x976b6w38nt7b2ouz78

circleline4

January 5th, 2012, 10:16 AM

Thanks for linking. Looks like they did made an official announcement after all.

Signboards up to Farrer Road have been changed, first/last train still stagnant. There would be another round of testings for CCLe today, tomorrow and Saturday. Can expect the same for next thursday and friday (opening ceremony).

CCLe open house group by LTA (http://www.facebook.com/events/273683642685992/)
trololol, some kids passionately spamming the page.

MLP

January 5th, 2012, 10:37 AM

Based on what have been discussed before in the Holland Line track, it seems that the section between Promenade and Dhoby Ghaut of the Circle Line may eventually be transferred to Holland Line. The Holland Line will run from Promenade station to the future Tengah new town, passing through Dhoby Ghaut, Orchard, Holland Village, and Bukit Batok stations.

The Circle Line will eventually connect from Marina Bay to Harbourfront end to end.

Both the CCL and DTL will deliver you to both destinations. Though if you were at Promenade heading towards Bayfront, take the CCL to walk less. :)

Sorry, I have never been to Hong Kong MTR. Just imagine

1st train - Marina Bay
2nd train - Dhoby Ghaut
3rd train - Marina Bay
4th train - Dhoby Ghaut

:)

circleline4

January 5th, 2012, 10:41 AM

<continued from my previous post>
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Some people are probably worried about walking one big circle to get from NSL to CCL at Marina Bay on the 13th. I do have a suggestion and hopefully SMRT has thought of it. Instead of leaving the link shutter remained shut, they could possibly close down the 3 paid escalators leading to the ccl concourse. Passengers would be forced to tap out there, go down the 2 unpaid escalators, reach the ccl concourse and tap in from there.

LTA can give out whatever door gifts thingy they want to here. Makes things less complex. Passengers would also benefit and can easily visualise the paid connection on that day as the unpaid link is technically a parallel version of the paid.

y2koh

January 5th, 2012, 10:56 AM

That's a great idea circleline4! Email LTA on this suggestion.

Seloloving

January 5th, 2012, 11:20 AM

Trains are terminating at "Promenade" and Dhoby Ghaut right now.

joeyfjj

January 5th, 2012, 05:57 PM

Mith252

January 6th, 2012, 12:56 AM

An article on TODAY regarding the open house. :)

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395230_10150568374022040_671067039_11251480_1270098026_n.jpg
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circleline4

January 6th, 2012, 10:12 AM

Fares charts in stations updated with actual fares, and in train system map (both miniature and standard ones) updated with ccle.
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376148_319991578034291_100000703554948_1017715_23249495_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395180_319991648034284_100000703554948_1017716_1883742507_n.jpg
^^
Jagged Y-junction...

Anyway, story of the day.
Took the CCL from DBG today. This dude was like randomly pointing at the first/last train sticker on the pillar. So i went like, "okay? wtf?" and moved on. I went onto the train and found a seat, then the dude also boarded the train and sat on the opposite seat..

En route to Bras Basah, the fellow repeated EVERY announcement made by CHY. "ding dong, next station BRAH BAHBA". some girls sitting around were chuckling away. Approaching BBS, "ding dong, BAHBASAHH". everyone was like grinning among themselves lah hahah.

Then when we were about to depart, he went in tune with CHY and shouted "DOORS ARE CLOSING. DIDIDIDIDIDIDIDIDIDI" (omg the most hilarious part /troll). The woman beside him totally just face palmed...

He's probably from "the other party".
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380128_319991714700944_100000703554948_1017717_1574475298_n.jpg

Skyrobot

January 6th, 2012, 02:03 PM

Could be an autistic person? They're harmless.

Seloloving

January 6th, 2012, 02:04 PM

Yeah, autistic people find the uniformity of trains calming to their senses. :)

eX.A.K.R.

January 6th, 2012, 04:01 PM

Most likely another typical SPTInfo member. Notice he's wearing Pathlight's school uniform.

deskoh91

January 6th, 2012, 04:48 PM

anyway, CNA has reported that CCLe trains will be running from Marina Bay to Stadium instead of the full trips as previously planned due to "trains shortage".

frequencies should be 7 mins off peak except at Stadium, Nicoll Highway and Promenade stations that will operate at 3.5 mins due to the split service. the usual Paya Lebar - HarbourFront shuttle will operate during peak hours as per normal.

redstone

January 6th, 2012, 06:14 PM

joeyfjj

January 6th, 2012, 07:33 PM

Most likely another typical SPTInfo member. Notice he's wearing Pathlight's school uniform.

Nothing wrong until they start peeling stickers off and placing them in the wrong places...

Mith252

January 7th, 2012, 12:19 AM

An article on the TODAY paper.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404236_10150570489697040_671067039_11259160_1200468233_n.jpg
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404236_10150570489697040_671067039_11259160_1200468233_n.jpg

Seloloving

January 7th, 2012, 05:22 AM

I will sorely expect full services by the time the new sets arrive. This shuttle is nonsensical.

Why are they still hyping Promenade as a cross platform interchange? -_-;

mrtfreak

January 7th, 2012, 05:47 AM

Wait. Peak hours shuttle or off peak is shuttle? When is the through service?

Seloloving

January 7th, 2012, 06:03 AM

There is no through service, I believe.

mrtfreak

January 7th, 2012, 06:20 AM

^^ According to ST there is. Like 7.30am to 9.30am, 12pm to 2pm and 5pm to 8pm or something, are the through service times. In effect, HBF - MRB will replace HBF - PYL so to speak. But Today's headline reports differently. So I'm wondering what is the real story...

ddes

January 7th, 2012, 08:05 AM

Wonder why do they make it so complicated for everybody.

Just tell them "LOOK AT THE RATIS BOARDS and STOP PLAYING GAMES ON YOUR ANDROID OR APPLE and LISTEN TO ANNOUNCEMENTS". :)

colourbox

January 7th, 2012, 08:18 AM

really ridiculous. makes things more complicated for commuters.

Skyrobot

January 7th, 2012, 12:36 PM

Wonder why do they make it so complicated for everybody.

Just tell them "LOOK AT THE RATIS BOARDS and STOP PLAYING GAMES ON YOUR ANDROID OR APPLE and LISTEN TO ANNOUNCEMENTS". :)

Haha! :lol: 'Passengers playing with your Androids/iPhone, serves you right for not paying attention, please disembark and board the opposite train'.

Seloloving

January 7th, 2012, 04:06 PM

In any case. Who's heading down on Friday? :)

circleline4

January 7th, 2012, 04:23 PM

Here's a good guide for those feeling lost.
http://motoring.asiaone.com/A1MEDIA/motoring/01Jan12/images/20120107.164855_smrt1.jpg
An SMRT spokesman added that the shuttle service made the most operational sense as there are a limited number of trains available.
That's really BS lah. If they have enough trains to run alternate during peak hours, why not off peaks too?

Seloloving

January 7th, 2012, 04:38 PM

I will accept SMRT's explanation that some trains needed to be pulled off service for maintenance, actually.

In any case, the mess is due to LTA's foul up, not SMRT. I still wonder which LTA numbskull convinced himself that alternating shuttles are beneficial.

y2koh

January 7th, 2012, 04:55 PM

Circleline4, Selo. Remember the 2 schedule charts I drew? The 7min frequency for the shuttle and 3.5min between SDM and MRB will incur a longer dwell time at BFT, as the turnaround time is not enough to immediately slot in the service every 3rd subsequent train, and the train has to leave earlier from MRB to avoid clashing with the next arriving train. On the stadium end, the <2min turnaround time is also on the tight side. On the other hand, the longer headway during off peak eliminates these problems.

nemu

January 8th, 2012, 07:05 AM

Here's a good guide for those feeling lost.
http://motoring.asiaone.com/A1MEDIA/motoring/01Jan12/images/20120107.164855_smrt1.jpg

That's really BS lah. If they have enough trains to run alternate during peak hours, why not off peaks too?

What SMRT is really saying is that they prefer to maximize load efficiency over passenger convenience.

mcarling

January 8th, 2012, 08:16 AM

What SMRT is really saying is that they prefer to maximize load efficiency over passenger convenience.

The preference for load efficiency over passenger convenience is driven by intense voter demand for low fares.

Peak operations should start at 07:00, not 07:30.

redstone

January 8th, 2012, 03:30 PM

How can Nicoll and Stadium handle the shuttle service? Alternating trains going in the 'southbound' direction goes to Dhoby and Marina?

sandstorm6299

January 8th, 2012, 04:12 PM

Think of it this way. Think of peak operation as having both 'route patterns' going at the same time, and this is likely the maximum load. In off peak, the peak hour frequency is limited to just Stadium-Promenade such that they would have regular 'peak hour' frequency.

ddes

January 9th, 2012, 08:39 AM

You know what? If SMRT is going to have various services, Paya Lebar-HarbourFront, Dhoby Ghaut-HarbourFront, Marina Bay-HarbourFront, Marina Bay-Stadium, I CAN accept it IF they indicate on their boards either by different tones of yellow/orange, along with in-station and in-train announcements of the various services rather than "surprising" people. The system's about to get a lot more complicated as the new lines come aboard, so yeah.

eX.A.K.R.

January 9th, 2012, 08:50 AM

Or perhaps they can install platform-facing screens indicating the destination of the trains, or even have side LED screens on the trains themselves, like those in Tokyo, Taipei, and New York.

mrtfreak

January 9th, 2012, 10:32 AM

Spotted today on a Kawasaki 1Gen train, Siemens 2Gen train and Kawasaki 3Gen train. The CSR 4Gen trains do not have this yet as none of the STARIS have been updated.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/402227_10150462185453244_599223243_8717940_1712572021_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/402227_10150462185453244_599223243_8717940_1712572021_n.jpg

circleline4

January 9th, 2012, 12:52 PM

Some pictures from LTA. :)
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/381177_250305645039679_132581033478808_565217_1210129503_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385004_250305898372987_132581033478808_565220_926555269_n.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/398154_250303798373197_132581033478808_565207_1180633934_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393979_250303928373184_132581033478808_565208_630622242_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385772_250303948373182_132581033478808_565209_640287020_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408786_250303975039846_132581033478808_565210_596052241_n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393449_250304005039843_132581033478808_565211_995749688_n.jpg

Marina Bay is a beauty. <3

Mith252

January 9th, 2012, 12:55 PM

^^ Nice!! Thanks for uploading the pics here. :)

Seloloving

January 9th, 2012, 01:28 PM

Damn beautiful! Holy crap, this is BEAUTIFUL. LTA has exceeded my expectations with regards to Marina Bay, I was imagining it as an ugly sibling to Dhoby Ghaut CCL.

It's a real pity they are boarding up the DTL platforms at Bayfront. But damn, the last photograph is the most comfy station in Singapore yet!! :D

ddes

January 9th, 2012, 01:49 PM

Oh no. I thought Marina Bay was a side stacked platform. :(

Simon91

January 9th, 2012, 04:49 PM

MB looks excellent. From the exits, I thought it would be awful. Hope they did build provisions for future links into TSL/ERL.

zobbified

January 9th, 2012, 05:12 PM

Looks good. Somehow it reminds me of the Jubilee line extension in London.

Skyrobot

January 10th, 2012, 03:06 AM

Can't wait for Fri/Sat to walk thru to The Shoppes! The casino is a no-no for now....

mcarling

January 10th, 2012, 11:57 AM

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/381177_250305645039679_132581033478808_565217_1210129503_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385004_250305898372987_132581033478808_565220_926555269_n.jpg

The wall on the left comprising grey panels in the two quoted photos looks like it can be removed as part of a future expansion. Note the symmetry of the railings.

ps: I apologize for quoting the photos, but it would have been difficult to make the reference clear without the photos.

circleline4

January 10th, 2012, 12:04 PM

It's alright to just quote the 2 photos. :)

Didn't notice that mcarling, great observation.

The side with the grey walls is the CCL/ east facing side. Other than Gardens By the Bay which should already be linked via exit B, what other possibilities are there?

mrtfreak

January 10th, 2012, 12:11 PM

The wall on the left comprising grey panels in the two quoted photos looks like it can be removed as part of a future expansion. Note the symmetry of the railings.

ps: I apologize for quoting the photos, but it would have been difficult to make the reference clear without the photos.
I don't think they would do that. The floor plans show a service area behind that wall.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388448_10150350719143244_599223243_8303912_1348812042_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388448_10150350719143244_599223243_8303912_1348812042_n.jpg

y2koh

January 10th, 2012, 12:25 PM

According to MP2008, there will be 2 developments (Plot Ratio 8.0, white site) on the east side of Bayfront. MBS had tried to acquired the 2 parcels but it seems that there was no progress. It is likely that developments on these 2 parcels will have basement levels directly connecting to the concourse level.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7170/6672522771_cdeb2ebc23_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/y2koh/6672522771/)
Bayfront (http://www.flickr.com/photos/y2koh/6672522771/) by y2koh (http://www.flickr.com/people/y2koh/), on Flickr

Seloloving

January 10th, 2012, 12:33 PM

Imagine 4 floors of cross platform interchanges... @_@

mcarling

January 10th, 2012, 01:16 PM

Didn't notice that mcarling, great observation.
Thank you.

I don't think they would do that. The floor plans show a service area behind that wall.
Is it possible that a future expansion might involve relocating the service area and converting that space into additional concourse space?

It is likely that developments on these 2 parcels will have basement levels directly connecting to the concourse level.
I would like to see every major new building in the CBD have a basement level connected with the surrounding buildings (or at least a provision for future connection), forming a network of underground retail spaces, and interconnecting with the concourse level of all the MRT stations in the CBD.

mrtfreak

January 10th, 2012, 01:54 PM

Is it possible that a future expansion might involve relocating the service area and converting that space into additional concourse space?
It is possible. But I think its unlikely as Bayfront presents complexities that aren't encountered before locally. Firstly, we have the station operated by two "competing" companies, a first for Singapore. Essentially, the station will be shared. That alone will have to have two companies agreeing to a common usage of the area and profits derived or costs involved. As I understand, SMRT has done some such work for its Xchanges and had to pay for the work.

Secondly, DTL is under the new railway scheme whereby such assets belong to LTA rather than the operator. This is in contrast to CCL where the assets belong to the operator for the duration of the contract. I'm not sure how this works for Bayfront as under DTL it belongs to LTA and not SBST while on CCL it should belong to SMRT instead of LTA. So this complicates matters too, though I believe SMRT will have to accede to LTA's reconfigurations and terms. But as such, I don't think it is likely that this will be removed. We also have no idea what services are there and if it is cost-efficient to shift them.

mcarling

January 10th, 2012, 01:58 PM

^^
I hope that sgmrtbuilder might be able to inform this discussion.

ddes

January 10th, 2012, 02:56 PM

What if it is merely an aesthetic choice? To keep the interior consistent. I know we'd all like to think LTA as some brilliant masterplanner, but hey, look at Promenade.

circleline4

January 11th, 2012, 02:18 PM

Went down to CCLe this afternoon to take my last set of pre-ccle opening photos. All hoardings have been taken down. Special thanks to the workers who permitted me to enter the site premises at Bayfront's exit E and Marina Bay. :)

Exit D
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/404530_323255297707919_100000703554948_1027168_710191579_n.jpg
Open house preperation.
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381847_323255437707905_100000703554948_1027170_1400437260_n.jpg
Exit C on the left.
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388582_323255521041230_100000703554948_1027171_409157599_n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388951_323255697707879_100000703554948_1027173_1599417693_n.jpg

Exit C
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/390344_323255757707873_100000703554948_1027174_215624077_n.jpg
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378655_323255851041197_100000703554948_1027176_2127876977_n.jpg
Exit D on the right.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/390184_323255924374523_100000703554948_1027178_396663077_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/399683_323256004374515_100000703554948_1027180_635497082_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/403622_323256091041173_100000703554948_1027181_1127175988_n.jpg
Exit B on the left.
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/379842_323256291041153_100000703554948_1027184_522359139_n.jpg

Exit B
Workers doing final checks on the lift and cabling works near the CCTVs.
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/398734_323256357707813_100000703554948_1027185_1597013609_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/403313_323256427707806_100000703554948_1027187_1102691121_n.jpg

Exit A
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388466_323256494374466_100000703554948_1027188_1303979952_n.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/403756_323256591041123_100000703554948_1027190_887265403_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381065_323256657707783_100000703554948_1027191_427153726_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393433_323256701041112_100000703554948_1027193_337459497_n.jpg
Workers seen delivering metal cabinets outside exit A.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378470_323257631041019_100000703554948_1027209_1609914648_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383301_323257584374357_100000703554948_1027208_44563869_n.jpg
Was standing at the bus stop while these 2 green objects caught my attention. They are identical to the one spotted earlier near the MBS towers. Don't really know whether it is indeed skylights for the station..

Exit E
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/408108_323256787707770_100000703554948_1027194_46051075_n.jpg
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/400094_323256937707755_100000703554948_1027197_1727694995_n.jpg
Workers removing the interior protection (cardboard and trash bags) inside the lift.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/409196_323257021041080_100000703554948_1027199_1241203102_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399470_323257104374405_100000703554948_1027201_867489858_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390209_323257274374388_100000703554948_1027203_1555614907_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/400288_323257337707715_100000703554948_1027204_165788588_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379417_323257391041043_100000703554948_1027205_857440257_n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403096_323257521041030_100000703554948_1027206_727572358_n.jpg

There is indeed a link to Gardens By the Bay from the station and resort via an underground link via Exit B. This 'exit' is even wheelchair-friendly. :)

Moving on to Marina Bay..

They are currently polishing the floor in the NSL paid area... could literally slide around with my shoes. :o
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383076_323253251041457_100000703554948_1027136_1444871982_n.jpg
New floor stickers for CCL and NSL. There's also a new CCTV TV installed at the corner of the NSL/CCL link. I didn't capture that though.
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/395965_323253354374780_100000703554948_1027137_1287165156_n.jpg
CCLe notice sticker up at the PSC.
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/166992_323253441041438_100000703554948_1027138_1554421173_n.jpg
New first/last train timings updated at exit B.
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407056_323253517708097_100000703554948_1027139_1395794639_n.jpg
Open house banners up at Marina Bay (and Bayfront too).
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/391908_323253597708089_100000703554948_1027140_1221013849_n.jpg
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378933_323253694374746_100000703554948_1027141_547136739_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/392577_323253764374739_100000703554948_1027142_340275455_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/390676_323253851041397_100000703554948_1027143_1345787518_n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385531_323253944374721_100000703554948_1027144_665047278_n.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/408590_323254087708040_100000703554948_1027146_757260475_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/404859_323254207708028_100000703554948_1027148_761990681_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378125_323254297708019_100000703554948_1027149_570587108_n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390994_323254387708010_100000703554948_1027150_657656721_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/406506_323254434374672_100000703554948_1027151_1223108615_n.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/375457_323254527707996_100000703554948_1027152_256124840_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/406591_323254604374655_100000703554948_1027153_1177276036_n.jpg
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394578_323254697707979_100000703554948_1027155_37250023_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395400_323254771041305_100000703554948_1027158_859144110_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381820_323254837707965_100000703554948_1027160_1267966647_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390165_323254907707958_100000703554948_1027161_1573545252_n.jpg
New pathway to bus stop [1].
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/405868_323255047707944_100000703554948_1027164_1229584960_n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/397504_323255141041268_100000703554948_1027166_1195066761_n.jpg

With that, I wish everybody an enjoyable open house on Friday. I'd get some photos from the opening ceremony as well. Cheers. :)

mrtfreak

January 11th, 2012, 02:38 PM

Well, thanks for all the work. :) Few more days to go to all the excitement for the rail network all year.

sandstorm6299

January 11th, 2012, 05:06 PM

If it starts "ponding" , won't all the bikes be screwed?

Skyrobot

January 11th, 2012, 08:17 PM

There's plenty of greenery & soil to soak away any 'ponding' water unlike Orchard area.

Mith252

January 12th, 2012, 01:06 AM

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403096_323257521041030_100000703554948_1027206_727572358_n.jpg

There is indeed a link to Gardens By the Bay from the station and resort via an underground link via Exit B. This 'exit' is even wheelchair-friendly. :)

Hmm, I think I could have taken a picture of its exit before. Here it is. Not sure though....

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269646_10150309342932040_671067039_9699308_493257_n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269646_10150309342932040_671067039_9699308_493257_n.jpg

mrtfreak

January 12th, 2012, 10:17 AM

^^ That's absolutely it Mith. Thanks for sharing. :)

Seloloving

January 12th, 2012, 12:13 PM

http://i43.************/262xsfd.jpg

Photo taken at Bishan.

I took the CCL thrice today, 19 and 36 had the old PDNLOTTD announcement followed by Tamil security announcement at Serangoon and Chinese security announcement at Bishan. "Passengers heading towards Marina Bay/HarbourFront or Punggol/Jurong East" also returns.

urgh...SMRT.

mdzulkar9

January 12th, 2012, 03:03 PM

wow Net must've had a field day. be jealous, little boys. ;)

Seloloving

January 13th, 2012, 01:01 AM

Got off the train at Bishan at 7. Heard an announcement "the train at Platform B terminates its service at Dhoby Ghaut Interchange".

circleline4

January 13th, 2012, 03:58 PM

As promised, photos from the opening ceremony and open house. :)

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/394753_324550787578370_100000703554948_1029904_1657317192_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/386325_324550974245018_100000703554948_1029906_3398714_n.jpg
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Seloloving

January 13th, 2012, 04:23 PM

Good thing I overslept.

http://i41.************/2wej96b.jpg

Something circleline4 missed. :)

aforl

January 13th, 2012, 05:00 PM

Thanks for the photos! Couldn't make it to the Open House. Probably will go take a look at the stations tomorrow :D MRB looks very awesome!

First DTL signs finally seen! Can't wait to see the blue DT16 alphanumerics beside the orange CE1 at Bayfront. Hahah.
Anyway detective selo, where's that DT16 Bayfront thing seen?

Seloloving

January 13th, 2012, 05:02 PM

Photographed at the boarded off DTL Platform, just stick your camera over the hoardings and try to focus on the minuscule point. :lol:

Skyrobot

January 14th, 2012, 02:32 AM

mrtfreak

January 14th, 2012, 02:43 AM

You guys are indeed 'rail enthusiasts' and operates like the CSI Miami team!

Forgive me this if you don't find this funny or are not a CSI Miami fan:

'How did I take this picture?'
'I just stick my camera over the hoardings & try to focus on the miniscule point'
* Puts on sunglasses *
'There, more evidence of the much-touted upcoming DTL...!'
cue to strains from The Who's 'Won't Get Fooled Again'...no.no!
Haha, thanks. That's quite a nice comparison. I like the part about the sunglasses. Definitely, more suave and controlled than others.

I think I recall someone asking if Marina Bay were a CD station, but I can't find the specific post. I doubt that it is a CD shelter. Did not see any blast doors on the track side and no other indicators that the CCL section is a CD shelter. I do believe that the NSL side is a shelter though.

circleline4

January 14th, 2012, 02:49 AM

It's practically impossible to cover up the ccl side, and at the same time make use of the big atrium. The NSL side is definitely a CD though, the blast doors are located right below the shutters in this photo.
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379780_313151615384954_100000703554948_993862_916210590_n.jpg

circleline4

January 14th, 2012, 03:40 AM

Something I happened to see yesterday :lol:

http://oi42.************/aepox3.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396157_324564710910311_100000703554948_1030194_848437073_n.jpg
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Seloloving

January 14th, 2012, 06:51 AM

^^ Anyone have the report recorded and uploaded online?

Now that "CCLeD" is over...we have one boring year ahead eh.

MRB's overrun tunnel certainly heads west. BFT has extra space on both platforms for extra cars...what else is there to note? :nuts:

mcarling

January 14th, 2012, 10:07 AM

Now that "CCLeD" is over...we have one boring year ahead eh.

I wouldn't bet on that. I expect that we'll have a major TSL announcement this year. We may also have an announcement this year about which new line or lines will follow the ERL. It would be a big surprise if the 2011 Concept Plan is not released this year. 2012 could be an exciting year for MRT fans.

MRT peak frequencies should start at 07:00, not 07:30.

Seloloving

January 14th, 2012, 11:28 AM

True, but it's going to feel like 2005-2008 again.

circleline4

January 14th, 2012, 05:03 PM

How the route map could possibly look like should the Y-junction at Promenade be fully constructed when CCL6 opens. :)
http://oi39.************/3vpxz.jpg
http://oi39.************/3vpxz.jpg

Seloloving

January 14th, 2012, 05:06 PM

It's awesome. :)

Somethings to add:

The colour of the font should match the preexisting ones.
Add TSL to Caldecott? :D

mcarling

January 14th, 2012, 05:49 PM

Good work circleline4! If all trains were to run end-to-end, then the segment from Dhoby Ghaut to the Y junction would have twice as much traffic as the rest of the line.

How the route map could possibly look like should the Y-junction at Promenade be fully constructed when CCL6 opens.
Only three new stations as part of CCL6? I am hoping for at least four.

circleline4

January 14th, 2012, 06:09 PM

I don't know whether I can reveal this, but yeah, LTA's currently looking at 3 stations for CCL6, with a small stabling area to be built at Keppel near the former KTM Tanjong Pagar railway.

Thanks Selo and mcarling :)
Yeap, that's the only setback with my proposed ccl6 services. The CCL signalling's minimum gap is 90 seconds if i recall. So at Esplanade, 1 train goes to Promenade and the other to Bayfront, resulting in a minimum 3 mins frequency along the entire main sector.

The root of the problem isn't entirely gone. Passengers at DBG, BBS and EPN need to look at the screen to know which direction the train's heading to. Something that can't be changed as long as Promenade's sitting there with its stacked configuration.

TranquilIce

January 14th, 2012, 06:41 PM

Bayfront station

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a371/tranquilice/CCL021.jpg

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Exit C
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a371/tranquilice/CCL038.jpg

Exit D
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a371/tranquilice/CCL035.jpg

Exit to Gardens by the Bay
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TranquilIce

January 14th, 2012, 08:11 PM

Marina Bay station

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Seloloving

January 14th, 2012, 08:53 PM

Marina Bay's AiT comprises of a few blurry photos a kid could accomplish with a Nikon...

Thanks for the photos too, TranquilIce. Most of your photos are really similar to mine! :lol:

The root of the problem isn't entirely gone. Passengers at DBG, BBS and EPN need to look at the screen to know which direction the train's heading to. Something that can't be changed as long as Promenade's sitting there with its stacked configuration.

http://i40.************/igvxok.jpg

It's entirely hypocritical, but...LED boards. (Yes, I did spend the time to peck up every single pixel on the board. Zoom in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U_YqRGHZAY

I wish my videos won't lag...

ddes

January 15th, 2012, 01:38 PM

I rode the Circle Line Extension today.

Today was the final day of Art Stage, a huge exhibition event, and mind you, there were lotsa people, but sadly, not many people used Bayfront station. That's not to say the CCLe wasn't well used, as I note many people taking the CCLe via Marina Bay to get to the North South Line instead of riding up to Dhoby Ghaut.

eX.A.K.R.

January 15th, 2012, 07:44 PM

Anyone has the layout and pictures of the paid connection at Marina Bay?

luacs1998

January 16th, 2012, 08:19 AM

Anyone has the layout and pictures of the paid connection at Marina Bay?
You can refer to the picture circleline4 posted at the top. Seriously, that is the paid link. A bit failed, IMO.
EDIT: In case you don't get what I mean, here's another pic by circleline4 in the DTL thread.
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403189_324550660911716_100000703554948_1029902_1102878376_n.jpg[

circleline4

January 16th, 2012, 10:12 AM

Anyone has the layout and pictures of the paid connection at Marina Bay?
I appreciate luacs for linking my photo. Here is a x-section diagram of the entire MRB which I spent an hour drawing. The red circle i marked shows the spot where I took the photo luacs linked above. Hopes this clarify your understanding of the layout. :)
http://oi44.************/vs124j.jpg

eX.A.K.R.

January 16th, 2012, 11:36 AM

I appreciate luacs for linking my photo. Here is a x-section diagram of the entire MRB which I spent an hour drawing. The red circle i marked shows the spot where I took the photo luacs linked above. Hopes this clarify your understanding of the layout. :)
http://oi44.************/vs124j.jpg

Wow, this is really... strange.

I believe the CCL side is the first underground station in Singapore where the platforms are located above the concourse, no?

Completely a reverse of the situation at Tuas Link.

y2koh

January 16th, 2012, 12:00 PM

Geat work circleline4, very well drawn section, clean, clear and nicely colored. It's actually much easier to read than many of the sections drawn by architects.

mdzulkar9

January 16th, 2012, 12:25 PM

lol @Circleline04 damn good lah with the trees all. hahahaha.

Seloloving

January 16th, 2012, 01:31 PM

I am impressed, circleline4! You are getting better! :D

I believe the CCL side is the first underground station in Singapore where the platforms are located above the concourse, no?

Yep, creates a unique situation. I presume you did not venture to the open house?

zobbified

January 16th, 2012, 01:39 PM

What's the brown bit beneath the DTL Maintenance Facility (By the way, is this a permanent fixture as well?)?

Seloloving

January 16th, 2012, 01:42 PM

I think it's more of an artistic license on circleline4's part. :)

circleline4

January 16th, 2012, 01:43 PM

Thanks for the compliment guys. That's what you get when you have A-math homework staring at you, and just ditch it aside and do something else. :)

That 'brown' section should actually extend all the way to the right where the ccl platform is though. my bad. I think its just some plant rooms? I managed to get a photo behind the doors of one of the future provision links at the ccl concourse. Here's what's behind.
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/408292_324552517578197_100000703554948_1029921_42996802_n.jpg
The CCL platform is directly above this picture.

Seloloving

January 16th, 2012, 01:46 PM

Any idea of what the notice of the left door says?

Thanks for the compliment guys. That's what you get when you have A-math homework staring at you, and just ditch it aside and so something else.

Don't learn from me please. :lol:

y2koh

January 16th, 2012, 01:50 PM

circleline4

January 16th, 2012, 01:53 PM

Ahh, I see. It's just proportion errors while drawing the section then. The tall atrium in real life played an illusion on me. :lol:

Seloloving

January 16th, 2012, 01:57 PM

Here's another angle of the facility. It occupies almost the entire concourse. I would assume that SBST will handover the DTL facility to SMRT when GBD is ready. :)

http://i42.************/2h2noeq.jpg

eX.A.K.R.

January 16th, 2012, 02:17 PM

I am impressed, circleline4! You are getting better! :D

Yep, creates a unique situation. I presume you did not venture to the open house?

I didn't. Might check it out on Wednesday, when I have the time.

mrtfreak

January 16th, 2012, 02:30 PM

Considering the 1m depth of the tracks below the platform level and the amount of vertical space required for the maintenance of trains, the entire space should be the maintenance facility itself, plus another 900mm of ceiling space below for air-con ducts, sprinkler and lighting for the concourse.
Actually, I don't think the facility is on top of the service corridor. Its too far in from where the facility should be in the photo that Selo linked.

wd1

January 16th, 2012, 03:24 PM

circleline4, great stuff you've done!

may i ask what is the orientation of the future provision link? towards southeast or southwest? this may shed light on the future TSL station location.

circleline4

January 16th, 2012, 03:38 PM

Thanks wd1. :) southeast.
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268663_224551480911635_100000703554948_702230_6291966_n.jpg

mcarling

January 16th, 2012, 04:48 PM

Great work circleline4!

Any idea of what the notice of the left door says?
The black-on-yellow sign looks like a typical singaporean "Danger" sign in the four languages. I have no idea about the two smaller signs above it.

wd1

January 16th, 2012, 05:56 PM

Thanks wd1. :) southeast.

thanks! seems to me the southern one of the two exits can be converted into a paid link to TSL if necessary - going by y2koh's projected TSL location.

mrtfreak

January 17th, 2012, 02:27 AM

By the way, that PSC in the picture is not used and instead is taped up with some sort of white paper. It is similar to the PSC at Esplanade station exits F and G. For Marina Bay, the CCL PSC is located at the upper concourse, near the link to the NSL. Not really sure why they needed two PSCs...

deskoh91

January 17th, 2012, 04:46 AM

^^ provision built to serve as the PSC of a future line perhaps? It will minimize the amount of digging required if this new concourse is shared among CCLe and the new line. It may also explain why it seems relatively spacious.

Seloloving

January 17th, 2012, 08:57 AM

It's definitely possible. There are two corridors spurring off at the concourse leading to dead ends and service rooms.

circleline4

January 17th, 2012, 04:11 PM

A now-and-then comparism collection I made. Did my best to combine the best similar shots together.

Credits:
Construction photos - LTA's DTL1 Newsletter 11 (Oct 2010) (http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/dam/lta/publictransport/doc/LTA%2520DTL1%2520newsltt%2520i11.pdf)
MBS exterior shot - taken from one of our fellow forumers Baby from another thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=54183017&postcount=1275). :)
http://oi43.************/1nzq0w.jpg

Seloloving

January 17th, 2012, 04:53 PM

Eh. Why does Bayfront under construction look so much brighter than the completed station?

joeyfjj

January 17th, 2012, 06:08 PM

Either spotlights, or they have not covered over the station roof.

y2koh

January 18th, 2012, 02:25 AM

Looks like the architects and engineers are playing it safe and specifying 1200mm for the ceiling space, for the a/c ducting and sprinklers.

calebleeyw

January 18th, 2012, 04:08 AM

Yeap, that's the only setback with my proposed ccl6 services. The CCL signalling's minimum gap is 90 seconds if i recall. So at Esplanade, 1 train goes to Promenade and the other to Bayfront, resulting in a minimum 3 mins frequency along the entire main sector.

The root of the problem isn't entirely gone. Passengers at DBG, BBS and EPN need to look at the screen to know which direction the train's heading to. Something that can't be changed as long as Promenade's sitting there with its stacked configuration.

Hmm... Does that means another slip tunnel is going to be built to link up in between Promenade-Esplanade and Promenade-Bayfront tunnels?

So that trains can travel from Esplanade to Bayfront without having to pass by Promenade.

Seloloving

January 18th, 2012, 04:20 AM

There are provisions for such a link which will likely constructed when CCL6 approaches completion. :)

circleline4

January 18th, 2012, 01:15 PM

Either spotlights, or they have not covered over the station roof.
They had backfilled the station by that time already. It's probably just the construction spotlights. The current lighting in the station is through dim and refracted light rays from the glass panels bouncing off the dull grey walls. Or its just my low camera exposure selo. :tongue3:

Speaking of which.. if anyone of you went to notice, Bayfront's ceiling is fiillleeeed with glass panels. huge.glass.panels.bayfront. yesss. reminds me of the MBS towers.

deskoh91

January 18th, 2012, 01:16 PM

I believe there is a need for some additional height as trains may have to be lifted up for underside works such as engine overhauls or wheel grinding and replacement.

eX.A.K.R.

January 18th, 2012, 07:16 PM

(post shifted to Downtown Line thread)

Seloloving

January 19th, 2012, 12:43 AM

I did notice that the LTA photos depicted Marina Bay and Bayfront as fully lit stations...

Camera tricks.

mrtfreak

January 19th, 2012, 02:04 AM

LTA and SMRT run differently. SMRT is profit-oriented and has to keep costs low. One way is to switch off "non-essential" lights and project a green image. You'd have noticed that the CCL stations are rather dark too, not just the CCLe ones. The exception might be the CCL4 & 5 stations though, they generally seem well-lit.

y2koh

January 19th, 2012, 02:34 AM

Here's a possible scenario if CCL6 is to be completed forming a complete loop. Assuming peak hour frequency of 3min (LTA will need to acquire a lot more trains by then). Trains arriving at Bayfront and Promenade will alternate between continuing on the loop, and running into the Dhoby Ghaut spur line.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6723172879_89576275e8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/y2koh/6723172879/)
CCL1-6 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/y2koh/6723172879/) by y2koh (http://www.flickr.com/people/y2koh/), on Flickr

sandstorm6299

January 19th, 2012, 04:45 AM

It would've been much easier if the unused platforms were used in the complete CCL loop, and relegate the Dhoby spur to a new set of platforms. But, you can change that now.

y2koh

January 19th, 2012, 05:24 AM

Again, the issue with the unused platforms is the insufficient turning radius into the DBG spur.

sandstorm6299

January 19th, 2012, 05:43 AM

Oh, no no, I get all that with the turning radius. I meant my ideal scenario is to use the current platforms and unused platforms for a CCL-DTL cross platform interchange with Bayfront. And then give the DTL platforms to the Dhoby spur. Pretty much impossible now, given the current situation, but if the LTA doesn't mind doing a little bit more digging, it wouldn't be out of the question.. no?

y2koh

January 19th, 2012, 06:25 AM

Not to say it can't be done. The tunnels will have to be even deeper than the current 43m for DTL, in order to run below the existing foundations and structures for Marina Square and Millenia Walk. This new tunnel will also have to merge back to CCL somewhere around NCH.

mcarling

January 19th, 2012, 07:48 AM

Aside from possible slope issues, it shouldn't be a problem to go deeper than 43 meters. They could go under the Deep Sewer System if necessary.

Seloloving

January 20th, 2012, 08:52 AM

I recall that there are 4 provisions in total - two on each EPN-PMN tunnel. The two provision shafts (on both levels) nearer to Esplanade will link up to Bayfront to facilitate CCL6 in future.

The other two provision shafts nearer to Promenade leads directly to the phantom platforms - it's really hard to fathom what LTA is up to, a provision was built but the platforms closed...

circleline4

January 20th, 2012, 12:58 PM

Bishan CCL has this new 'platform' yellow floor sticker, a vertical line spanning from platform A to B every 3 doors. It looks like queue stickers. Someone passing by could get a photo to help understand what I'm talking about.

Just an hour ago, LRC suffered a partial blackout. All 8 escalators in the station stalled, lights in the unpaid corridor 1/3 on - with the other 2/3 flickering, air con was off here too, platform lights 1/2 on and announcements really soft. Actually the last point wasn't that bad, for once I didn't have to hear CHY's voice blasting through the entire box.

Didn't take any photos as I was rushing home. Not rly a good way to end the day after losing money...

Seloloving

January 20th, 2012, 01:22 PM

I saw it. The stickers are on the concourse leading towards the NSL too.

Seloloving

January 23rd, 2012, 05:35 AM

My friend said that SMRT played some gongxifacai announcement at HarbourFront. What?

circleline4

January 24th, 2012, 04:49 AM

If you're happy and you know it

scopelenz

January 24th, 2012, 02:17 PM

Okay so now that the CCL is completed (at least for the next decade), I still have a few gripes about how the line ended up.

1. Marina Bay - Harbourfront. I know this is something beyond the control of LTA, but I find the Promenade-Bayfront branch an extremely useless spur line that frustrates everyone. If I want to go Harbourfront from Marina Bay, not only are there no connecting buses, I have to transfer lines twice - Raffles Place and Outram Park - to reach my destination. Honestly, I would rather they utilise DTL for Bayfront and MBS than to create a spur line that seem like an oversight rather than an extension.

2. Marina Bay station. I have no idea why, but is SMRT that lazy to just change the lightbulbs and interior panels of the NSL station? The difference between the 2 sections are very drastic. When I was there yesterday, I overheard a few tourists commenting on how the two stations seemed like they were built in different eras. (Yes that's true, but a slight refurbishing won't kill right?)

3. CCL Stage 5. These stations are located in the vicinity of virtually nothing. Pasir Panjang, HPV and Labrador Park felt like they were created for the sake of building more stations. Telok Blangah is situated a whole 100m away from the actual estate (this came up in the papers too, about how unconnected the station is from the Telok Blangah estate). The lack of connectivity with nearby establishments continue to frustrate me, having to climb up and down again at least twice to exit the station and cross the road.

I know you guys will probably have logical and defending explanations regarding these, but I just felt that airing some grievances, especially with all the CNY visiting of late...

mcarling

January 24th, 2012, 02:21 PM

Okay so now that the CCL is completed ....

... it's time to change the thread title again. I suggest:

[CCL] The Circle Line Thread

mrtfreak

January 24th, 2012, 02:25 PM

redstone

January 24th, 2012, 03:06 PM

sandstorm6299

January 24th, 2012, 04:18 PM

Marina Bay's sole purpose was to allow NSL trains to turn back. It's the ultimate white elephant.

eX.A.K.R.

January 24th, 2012, 05:37 PM

The orignal MRB station is so dinghy.

Marina Bay is the ultimate underutilised station for the past 24 years. :lol:

You know, thinking about it they should have just built overrun tracks there with no station until it was needed, like now.

No point crying over spilled milk though.

Skyrobot

January 24th, 2012, 07:35 PM

Marina Bay is indeed the most under-utilized station till now, but it is 'water-under-the bridge' or in this case 'trains-over-the track'. A major refurbishment is needed to keep up with the image. I only saw workers polishing the floor on opening day.

y2koh

January 25th, 2012, 03:22 AM

Marina Bay may have been "underutilised" in the past 5-10 years, but all throughout the 90s until the early 2000s, it was the main transfer point for buses leading to the popular (albeit only during weekends) Superbowl and $10 Steamboat buffet outlets at Marina South, that was also the most well-known kite flying area, before Woodlands South, West Coast Park and Punggol East became popular.

scopelenz

January 25th, 2012, 08:00 AM

Agree with you on the Marina Bay spur being like, the cousin no one wants to see (in this case, utilise). But for HarbourFront to Marina Bay (strictly speaking from those two stations), you only need to transfer once if you don't mind a bit of extra time - from NEL to NSL at Dhoby Ghaut. I'm sure it beats the Outram walk when transferring from NEL to EWL. Bus service-wise, you can always take service 97 from Vivo to MBS. :)

As for the others, you have rightly deduced that there are reasons for things. :lol: Actually, Labrador Park station sees more usage at peak hours when people from the nearby offices take the train to work or go home. Likewise for Pasir Panjang. Haw Par Villa is generally quieter than most other CCL stations though. As for Telok Blangah, the flyover came first. Tough to build underneath it eh?

I hardly post here and when I do, I dropped a bomb on the CCL. Haha I hope you guys aren't a bit surprised, if at all.

Anyway, you got me on 97 - I forgot about that bus. I am just lamenting on the fact that the DTE is such a contrived attempt to connect MBS to the city area. It feels like an oversight when the CCL is planned, and more so when the 'gap' between Harbourfront and Marina Bay is so... frustrating, so to speak.

I am not saying that stations have to be built with a purpose - many countries build stations to serve nothing at all, actually - but I just find the station designs (and their location) rather awkward. Can someone enlighten me why they didn't choose to build an underpass across Telok Blangah Road (and Labrador Park as well) and choose an overhead bridge instead?

As for Marina Bay, this station is one sad story actually. According to what I know, the station is indeed designed to serve the areas of 'Marina South' and the old Pier. With the redevelopment of MRB, this station has thus been utilised for purely visiting the Barrage, or a faster access to the new Downtown. I still don't see why SMRT (or LTA, whichever pays) didn't want to refurbish the station to blend the 2 sections together. The NSL section now looks really 'ancient' in contrast to the CCL side.

y2koh

January 25th, 2012, 08:59 AM

While taking 97 is a lot more convenient, you have to risk waiting 10min for the bus and another 20-30mins to reach your destination. On the other hand, HBF-MRB is a confirmed 9mins+5mins+6mins=20mins train ride including transfer.

As for Marina South, much of it is really the expected development speed was over-estimated due to the economic bubble in the 90s, and the subsequent Asian Financial Crisis caused it to be delayed until quite recently. MRB was constructed with contemporary materials of it's days, with granite finishes and a heavy masonry look. The design trends today is of course very different. But if Marina South really gets developed to the level that was illustrated in the URA DGPs, the buildings would most likely match the station pretty well.

scopelenz

January 25th, 2012, 05:45 PM

Well hearing that from you does make my comment seem rather foolish. I have to admit that the financial crisis did push the development of Marina Bay back by a decade, and knowing Singapore's forward planning strategy, I cannot help but lament the timing which landed our economy into the red.

It will be nice if someone can compile a history of the various stations in Singapore - why they were built (its purpose, design and all in the context of the era) and the provisions that were given at that time for future expansions and the. I am sure the recent CCL stations have been given much scrutiny (having seen the line come to fruition for the past... decade perhaps?).

mrtfreak

January 26th, 2012, 02:27 AM

I hardly post here and when I do, I dropped a bomb on the CCL. Haha I hope you guys aren't a bit surprised, if at all.

Anyway, you got me on 97 - I forgot about that bus. I am just lamenting on the fact that the DTE is such a contrived attempt to connect MBS to the city area. It feels like an oversight when the CCL is planned, and more so when the 'gap' between Harbourfront and Marina Bay is so... frustrating, so to speak.

I am not saying that stations have to be built with a purpose - many countries build stations to serve nothing at all, actually - but I just find the station designs (and their location) rather awkward. Can someone enlighten me why they didn't choose to build an underpass across Telok Blangah Road (and Labrador Park as well) and choose an overhead bridge instead?

As for Marina Bay, this station is one sad story actually. According to what I know, the station is indeed designed to serve the areas of 'Marina South' and the old Pier. With the redevelopment of MRB, this station has thus been utilised for purely visiting the Barrage, or a faster access to the new Downtown. I still don't see why SMRT (or LTA, whichever pays) didn't want to refurbish the station to blend the 2 sections together. The NSL section now looks really 'ancient' in contrast to the CCL side.
No worries on that. Glad that someone does post actually. Its what forums are about - discussion. :)

I think the original DTE would have been better integrated if you ask me, compared to the CCLe that we now have. I guess always better to wait and see what's ahead. I think LTA does plan for the missing link to be filled in at a later time, so its just a matter of waiting I suppose.

Actually, stations should be built with a purpose rather than randomly plotting them due to mileage requirements (ie. let's have a station every kilometre). I think for Telok Blangah there were several factors. Its easier to build overhead and also faster too compared to underground. You don't have to deal with so many utility diversions as well. Passengers from the bus stop don't need to go down to the station to get across the road, especially when the station is closed certain hours of the day. This provides 24-hour access to commuters and residents alike. Also, construction would have been very close to the HDB blocks. Perhaps they also wanted to avoid the inconvenience of digging so near to a high-rise building. You would have seen the inconvenience that Farrer Road residents had to put up with.

I do agree with the mis-matched part. But I think that is fairly common these days since NEL came around. It costs less to refurbish a station when its not necessarily needed. I do wish that the lighting could be changed though. Marina Bay NSL is quite dark.

Well hearing that from you does make my comment seem rather foolish. I have to admit that the financial crisis did push the development of Marina Bay back by a decade, and knowing Singapore's forward planning strategy, I cannot help but lament the timing which landed our economy into the red.

It will be nice if someone can compile a history of the various stations in Singapore - why they were built (its purpose, design and all in the context of the era) and the provisions that were given at that time for future expansions and the. I am sure the recent CCL stations have been given much scrutiny (having seen the line come to fruition for the past... decade perhaps?).
May be for Marina Bay CCL that would have been the purpose, but Marina Bay NSL opened in 1988 or 1989 in a pretty much no-man's land.

Some provisions that were in place are knock-out panels (these were built at Outram Park with the intention for linking to a future line and perhaps might be used for the TSL) and third tracks (Tanah Merah and Ang Mo Kio). Apart from that, I'm not sure if the older lines have as many provisions as the CCL. Even NEL doesn't have that many.

y2koh

January 26th, 2012, 03:01 AM

May be for Marina Bay CCL that would have been the purpose, but Marina Bay NSL opened in 1988 or 1989 in a pretty much no-man's land.

Some provisions that were in place are knock-out panels (these were built at Outram Park with the intention for linking to a future line and perhaps might be used for the TSL) and third tracks (Tanah Merah and Ang Mo Kio). Apart from that, I'm not sure if the older lines have as many provisions as the CCL. Even NEL doesn't have that many.

The lease for Marina South Superbowl and the F&B was only 10-20 years. The first Masterplan for Marina Bay was in 1983 by Kenzo Tange, and somehow MND had decided that it'll be partially developed by 1998 or when our population reach 4million, particularly the "New Downtown" area where Marina Bay MRT station stands on. So when the station opened in 1989 URA decided that it can serve the interim uses for 10 years while they get started on the "new downtown". You can imagine the kind of confidence EDB and URA had at that time, it was during the 90s that the entire Suntec City and Pontiac Millenia was completed within 8 years. At this speed, the new downtown would have been entirely filled up in another 15 years, and further expansion into Marina South was required.

The setbacks affected us by more than a decade. Instead of the "new downtown" being entirely developed in 2013, what we see today is only The Sail, Asia Sq, ORQ and MBFC, with the last 3 only built in the last 5 years. Of course at the same time there was something nobody anticipated, land value and office rents grew at an alarming rate, and with IT, changed the way space is used, so the CBD actually grew in density (in terms of people per ha) rather than just simply expansion. Suddenly space becomes a luxury and public space a necessity. Why has URA given up so called "expensive" real estate to develop a huge park and the IR is for this reason. If the kind of density we have in the CBD today is replicated in the entire Marina Bay, our infrastructure will not be able to support it.

mrtfreak

January 26th, 2012, 03:15 AM

^^ Thanks for the explanation. That puts a lot of puzzle pieces together. :)

ddes

January 26th, 2012, 04:24 AM

I do think the HBF-MRB link is vastly overrated. While public perception negates it as the next natural step of CCL6, it'd seem like that was not the plan at all. As with the Outer Ring Road, it's not a full circle. In fact, up till "recently", it would appear that the DTE was CCL6 until Nicoll Highway collapsed, Bukit Panjang happened, and the (PR) population explosion that it became part of the DTL.

CCLe is merely a quick, but rather lazy solution by the government and LTA to accede to Las Vegas Sands' request for mass rapid infrastructure among the many rules and policies placed in exchange for a 20-year exclusive license within Southeast Asia. Come 2013, when DTL1 is complete, it won't matter if CCL trains at Bayfront come every 20 minutes.

OT: Why is SMRT tweeting people to alight at Marina Bay to go Marina Bay Sands? You'd think they'd be telling people to alight at BayFront instead.

deskoh91

January 26th, 2012, 05:50 AM

Maybe they meant alighting at Marina Bay for the shuttle train instead of finding some longish way to Promenade?

CCL5's design philosophy is guided by cost. You will notice all stations are pretty much similar with one exit and one overhead bridge. It is relatively difficult to build the underground exits across the road with all the piles of the flyover above in the way. Even if they did it will be quite a bit of money spent for a level of usage that does not commensurate with the expenditure. You have noticed these stations serve areas of lower densities than stations along the other stages.

The lack of design compatibility between the older and newer stations bug nearly all those interchanges between mainlines and NEL/CCL. Look at Buona Vista. If only the parties involved are willing to commit to refurbishing every mainline station that becomes an interchange. I don't think it has to be expensive. Perhaps just replace all lights and clad walls with precast panels in matching colours, much like what Far East is doing at Junction 10. They will add a degree of modernity without major renovations.

hybridace101

January 26th, 2012, 12:16 PM

I honestly thought MRB station was built within the past five years and that the NS line terminated at Raffles Place. It was quite odd to see that it was built even before buildings. Until now, it is quite far from most of the action and is not quite in the actual town of Marina Bay.

Seloloving

January 27th, 2012, 12:46 AM

The Marina Bay concourse - especially that octagon thingy - mimics a station built a century ago, with dim lighting and nauseous inducing colours.

I have seen better bomb shelters.

circleline4

January 27th, 2012, 07:49 AM

I think the floor tiles and wall play a part too? A brighter and shinier surface would help reflect more light as well as creating a sense of spaciousness and modernity. I'm not sure whether the lights were as dim as what we see in the present when the station first opened, but the number of bulb density installed in the ceiling is comparable to the ones in the CCL stations.

Overall, I still feel an internal refurbishment is key as what deskoh mentioned about J10.

scopelenz

January 27th, 2012, 08:45 AM

CCL5's design philosophy is guided by cost. You will notice all stations are pretty much similar with one exit and one overhead bridge. It is relatively difficult to build the underground exits across the road with all the piles of the flyover above in the way. Even if they did it will be quite a bit of money spent for a level of usage that does not commensurate with the expenditure. You have noticed these stations serve areas of lower densities than stations along the other stages.

It is extremely obvious that LTA exceeded their budget for CCL stages 1 to 4, thus landing the 5th stage in a mess. To be honest I don't think the inconvenience brought on by the diversions and underground works is an excuse, since they HAVE to conduct digging for most of the stations in stage 5 anyway. Just look at Labrador Park - the accessibility is very much crippled by a ridiculous overhead bridge without good connection to the commercial area along Alexandra. And knowing MOT's policy of 'future proofing', I suspect that most of the stations in stage 5 would have had better accessibility (compare Farrer Road and HPV, for one) if not for a gross underestimation of the budget allocated for CCL.

CCLe is merely a quick, but rather lazy solution by the government and LTA to accede to Las Vegas Sands' request for mass rapid infrastructure among the many rules and policies placed in exchange for a 20-year exclusive license within Southeast Asia. Come 2013, when DTL1 is complete, it won't matter if CCL trains at Bayfront come every 20 minutes.

My sentiments exactly. The CCLe will be another white elephant once the DTL is operational. And the cross platform interchange at Bayfront is a joke - really. Since I can't actually go to Dhoby Ghaut on a direct train even if I do a cross platform transfer, I'm better off taking DTL to Promenade, travel 2 storeys up, and take my Dhoby Ghaut train directly there no?

mrtfreak

January 27th, 2012, 09:54 AM

scopelenz

January 27th, 2012, 04:25 PM

^^ Actually, I think the cross-platform was more for the convenience of Marina Bay-bound to Chinatown-bound transfers. Similarly, HarbourFront-bound to Bugis-bound transfers would work. If you were coming from Telok Ayer or Downtown, a better way to get to Dhoby Ghaut would be via NEL with a transfer at Chinatown than opting for the CCL route. I believe you'd have less stations to travel through as well. From Downtown you'll have 5 stations via Chinatown (Downtown, TLA, CNT, CQY, DBG) against 6 stations via Bayfront (Downtown, BFT, PMN, EPN, BBS, DBG).

Since we're here on the CCL, a bit of history for you from the book "Circle Line: Linking all lines" by LTA which can be borrowed from the National Library Branches.

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/419202_10150496383088244_599223243_8829155_1555919678_n.jpg

^^ Nice, but it doesn't exactly explain why 'in its new position, it could not.' Was it a geographical reason, or something else I missed?

As for the cross-platform interchange at Bayfront, I believe that when DTL is opened, the interchange will be grossly underused. Anyone who's heading to Chinatown along the CCL would not want to be transferring twice - from CCL to CCLe, CCLe to DTL - and vice versa. The foreseeable SOLE use of the interchange is purely to connect Telok Ayer and Downtown. Perhaps I am missing the point, but if the CCL were to continue operating the spur line with alternate frequencies and irritating shuttle trains, I don't actually see a huge need for a cross-platform... heck, an interchange altogether, at Bayfront.

It appears to me that LTA just wanted a nice excuse to extend CCL to Bayfront, and since DTL and CCLe overlap, then they should create a 'seamless' interchange between the two lines. It reeks of poor planning, I would say.

Seloloving

January 28th, 2012, 03:47 AM

mrtfreak

January 28th, 2012, 04:21 AM

^^ Excuse me? Never modified significantly? :lol: How does adding an entirely new station box under the existing one count as "never modified significantly"? Unless you mean the existing station box was not modified... But as a whole, it was altered significantly.

PREQUALIFICATION OF CONTRACT 905 This PQ is for Contract 905 which consists of 2 pairs of stacked bored tunnels across Marina Bay to CCL Promenade station. It involves the design and construction of mainly bored tunnels and a short stretch of cut and cover tunnels. A pair of stacked mined tunnels undercrossing the existing CCL tunnel is also included. The tunnel route length for Contract 905 is approximately 0.75km. Due to a change in the design scheme of Contract 905 from cut and cover to mainly bored tunnelling method, interested Civil Engineering contractors with proven expertise and experience in design and construction of bored tunnel works for Rail Transit System tunnels structures are invited to apply for this PQ.
I think this shows that there was indeed some alterations to the plan. Contract 905 was for the trans-bay tunnels between Promenade and Bayfront.

Seloloving

January 28th, 2012, 04:54 AM

I was talking about the Circle Line. :p

scopelenz

January 28th, 2012, 05:39 AM

I think the true meaning behind "in its new position, it could not" signify that the ground was simply too unstable then.

http://i52.************/2cwrlox.jpg

Nicoll Highway was also planned to be a Promenade style station. Promenade's station plans were never modified significantly.

Haha I get that, but technically the BTL can still terminate at PMN right? I guess it was some upper management's idea to join BTL, CCLe and portions of ERL together into a large ribbon loop (which design disturbs me to no end -.-). Well that belongs to another thread anyway.

Seloloving

January 28th, 2012, 06:15 AM

BTL eventually did venture to Promenade under DTL, so the plan was achieved. ^^ :lol:

We assumed LTA had grand plans for ERL, CCL and BTL at Nicoll Highway and DTE at Bayfront. Whether LTA planned to link BTL and DTE remains a mystery, though plans have indicated so.

y2koh

January 28th, 2012, 06:53 AM

If LTA had intended BTL to interchange at NCH, it would not be likely that BTL be linked up with ERL due to the angle at which the line approaches NCH.

luacs1998

January 29th, 2012, 05:44 AM

If LTA had intended BTL to interchange at NCH, it would not be likely that BTL be linked up with ERL due to the angle at which the line approaches NCH.

It is still possible to have another line interchange at NCH, but another station box will have to be built.

eX.A.K.R.

January 29th, 2012, 05:44 PM

Bukit Timah Line, form what I can see, was intended to interchange at Promenade using the phantom platforms. Nicoll Highway, it appears, should have been an interchange station with the hypothetical Arts Centre Line, which could have proceeded westward directly to Esplanade and make another interchange there. If you look at the plans, notice how the tunnels from the phantom platforms swung north, apparently going up to Bugis - the exact alignment of the part of the Downtown Line that could have been part of the Bukit Timah Line.

From what I have seen of the 2003 Master Plan, this Arts Centre Line appeared to have been planned as the downtown leg of the original Thomson Line, which could have swung east after the Thomson area, cross the North-South Line near Novena, and enter the city from the east. The Nicoll Highway collapse apparently scuttled those plans, and now they are making it enter the city from the west.

As I said elsewhere, I believe that the phantom platforms will eventually be used by the Downtown Line as a sort of a terminating platform for short-trip services, similar to how the middle platform at Paya Lebar's Circle Line side is used. Eventually, I think the new platforms for the Downtown Line at Promenade will be integrated with the Eastern Region Line, and that the phantom platforms at Promenade will be the terminus of the Downtown Line. In a way, it will be back to the original plan - Eastern Region Line as a loop around the east of Singapore, and Downtown Line going back to being just Bukit Timah Line. It may also be the other way round - Eastern Region Line using the phantom platforms, and the Downtown Line staying as it is planned right now.

The planned level crossing across the Circle Line tracks to/from Esplanade/Dhoby Ghaut that will let any tracks from the phantom platform go towards Bayfront and Marina Bay may still be eventually built, to allow any future lines using the phantom platforms to go into the Marina Bay area. The danger of collision shouldn't be there, as long as the same or compatible signaling system is used to prevent trains from colliding with each other. The problem will be how to run trains at tighter headways without one train having to wait to give way to another - perhaps the signaling system can allow a train to cross the crossing as soon as a few seconds after a train on another track has cleared the crossing. This might not be too difficult, since the crossing is just after station platforms - trains can always dwell slightly longer at the station to wait for a train to pass. Besides, I foresee that the Promenade-Dhoby Ghaut branch of the Circle Line - which the level crossing affects - will be relegated to being a branch line, with the Marina Bay branch becoming part of the mainline. With this, trains perhaps won't need to run so frequently on the branch - perhaps every 4 minutes during peak hours, 6 or 7 - or even more - during off-peak. This is probably more than enough clearance for any trains to clear the crossing with time to spare. The only important, high-traffic station on that branch I see is Esplanade, for its proximity to Suntec City. Even then, if the Arts Centre Line is built, commuters can use that line to reach that station, making the branch only necessary for accessing Bras Basah by MRT, which is not used much even during peak hours compared to other city stations.

deskoh91

January 29th, 2012, 05:57 PM

^^ Nice, but it doesn't exactly explain why 'in its new position, it could not.' Was it a geographical reason, or something else I missed?

As for the cross-platform interchange at Bayfront, I believe that when DTL is opened, the interchange will be grossly underused. Anyone who's heading to Chinatown along the CCL would not want to be transferring twice - from CCL to CCLe, CCLe to DTL - and vice versa. The foreseeable SOLE use of the interchange is purely to connect Telok Ayer and Downtown. Perhaps I am missing the point, but if the CCL were to continue operating the spur line with alternate frequencies and irritating shuttle trains, I don't actually see a huge need for a cross-platform... heck, an interchange altogether, at Bayfront.

It appears to me that LTA just wanted a nice excuse to extend CCL to Bayfront, and since DTL and CCLe overlap, then they should create a 'seamless' interchange between the two lines. It reeks of poor planning, I would say.

the actual usefulness of the cross platform will probably only really materialize when CCL operates as a complete loop, perhaps in the manner as set out by y2koh. it isnt really that far away anymore. provisions are in place and there are some mentions of it recently. right now trying to hop onto the MRB branch from the DBG branch and vice versa is a real bitch, though I will imagine trying to get to Bayfront from Promenade will continue to be a bitch in the eventual arrangement anyway.

eX.A.K.R.

January 29th, 2012, 06:01 PM

I do agree with the mis-matched part. But I think that is fairly common these days since NEL came around. It costs less to refurbish a station when its not necessarily needed. I do wish that the lighting could be changed though. Marina Bay NSL is quite dark.

The problem I see is that the North-South Line side of Marina Bay uses yellow/warm white lights, while the Circle Line side uses pure white lights. The difference results in us perceiving the North-South Line side as being darker.

If they don't plan an extreme makeover for that station, at least replace the old yellow lights with white ones as soon as they fail. Slowly, the North-South Line side of the station should become brighter, and the difference between the feel of each side of the station will be diminished.

What I find interesting about Marina Bay is that, even though new passenger service centres/station controls were built for the station for both lines, they were not combined into one. When I was using the station the other day, I peeked a bit into the new North-South Line passenger service centre to see if I can find any control panels for the Circle Line, but I can only see the old-style panels for the North-South Line. It was when I walked down the transfer walkway that I came upon the separate Circle Line passenger service centre, with the more modern-looking control panels for the Circle Line. I wonder: why not just build an integrated passenger service centre with control panels for both lines? If one thing happens to one line at the station, information could also be more quickly passed to the people manning the other line, since everything is under one roof, so to speak. For passengers, it means less confusion since there's only one passenger service centre to approach.

deskoh91

January 29th, 2012, 06:03 PM

^^ they like to keep operations separate for command and control in the case of two different operators. I think this is pretty much standard across all interchanges starting NEL.

wd1

January 29th, 2012, 06:16 PM

^^ they like to keep operations separate for command and control in the case of two different operators. I think this is pretty much standard across all interchanges starting NEL.

deskoh - sorry but may i ask if you meant something like "in case of there being two different operators" at the same interchange station?

since the operators may now change after a 15-year tenure right?

Seloloving

January 30th, 2012, 01:19 AM

^^ Yes. Though it's heavily unlikely lines will change hands unless the operator runs 20 mins frequencies and manages to aggravate an entire population.

eX.A.K.R., there is also another PSC plastered and boarded up at Marina Bay which is currently defunct.

y2koh

January 30th, 2012, 06:33 AM

Civil Contracts for construction and engineering works are often tendered long before the operator is fixed, not mention the allocation of budget. Hence LTA will tend to use the "worse case scenario" approach. If the PSC is integrated but the lines goes to different operators, additional costs and rerouting works have to be done to accomodate the other operator. If they are separate and the line goes to the same operator, despite the slight inconvenience, at least there is no harm done. A simple walkie talkie is all it takes to integrate operations at the 2 PSCs.

circleline4

February 2nd, 2012, 04:47 PM

CCLe has been added onto onemap overnight. H2G still stagnant.
http://oi43.************/zwn59z.jpg

don diego 2000

February 3rd, 2012, 08:09 AM

What's happening with the middle platform at Paya Lebar CCL?

The other day, I saw stickers saying it is closed.

http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu22/don_diego_2000/IMG_0510.jpg

But then the next day at Botanic Gardens station, I see a train heading to Paya Lebar. To which platform was it going?

http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu22/don_diego_2000/IMG_0556.jpg

Any clue?

y2koh

February 3rd, 2012, 08:18 AM

Hmm let's see, did you take the first photo from the Platform B (towards MRB/DBG)? From that side naturally there's no service. Probably there is no sticker if you look from Platform A.

Seloloving

February 3rd, 2012, 08:24 AM

Trains still terminate at Paya Lebar during afternoon peak hours - presumably to return to KCD.

don diego 2000

February 3rd, 2012, 08:35 AM

Hmm let's see, did you take the first photo from the Platform B (towards MRB/DBG)? From that side naturally there's no service. Probably there is no sticker if you look from Platform A.

I was on the platform heading to HBF...

mrtfreak

February 3rd, 2012, 09:21 AM

Peak hour trips between Paya Lebar and HarbourFront formerly are now replaced by peak hour through service between Marina Bay and HarbourFront. As such, during peak hours, the middle platform is not used anymore. It is only used when the extra trains are being siphoned off the main line going back to the depot.

don diego 2000

February 3rd, 2012, 09:30 AM

^^ Thanks for the clarification.

Any idea if they will "re-open" the middle platform in the future? Sounds weird that they built one to finally not formally use it.

y2koh

February 3rd, 2012, 09:56 AM

It's similar to Ang Mo Kio then.

Seloloving

February 3rd, 2012, 10:22 AM

I am still interested in LTA's apprehensiveness to tunnel a southern opening to the middle platform, though.

Would it not be possible to reinforce the structures above? They have already accomplished incredible feats at Dhoby Ghaut and Bayfront.

hybridace101

February 5th, 2012, 01:12 PM

At Marina Bay MRT station on 21st Jan:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9045/p1212641.jpg

Seloloving

February 5th, 2012, 02:39 PM

...Only one faregate for entry, lol.

circleline4

February 5th, 2012, 02:42 PM

There are a total of 10 faregates. The picture hybridace101 took just features 5 of them, not forgetting the bi-directional disabled friendly faregate beside the PSC.

mrtfreak

February 5th, 2012, 02:48 PM

...Only one faregate for entry, lol.
Actually, that's exit. He took it from the concourse linkway.

Seloloving

February 9th, 2012, 10:26 AM

I was wondering if SMRT could better manage the announcements when trains approach Serangoon and Bishan.

Currently, announcements dictate that passengers should alight if they are travelling towards Marina Bay/HarbourFront and Jurong East/Punggol at Bishan and Serangoon respectively. I know the term "towards" point to every single station before the terminal, but it's still confusing for passengers at times.

I propose that announcements be slightly modified to this:

Upon approach to Serangoon from Bartley
Passengers who are continuing their journey towards Punggol, please alight and transfer to the North East Line.

Upon approach to Serangoon from Lorong Chuan
Passengers who are continuing their journey towards HarbourFront Interchange or Punggol, please alight and transfer to the North East Line.

Upon approach to Bishan from Marymount
Passengers who are continuing their journey towards Jurong East Interchange, please alight and transfer to the North South Line.

Upon approach to Bishan from Lorong Chuan
Passengers who are continuing their journey towards Marina Bay or Jurong East Interchange, please alight and transfer to the North South Line.

My preferable approach is still NEL style, announce the line interchanging with the station with no further details. Too much information lead to confusions at times.

eX.A.K.R.

February 9th, 2012, 11:55 AM

Seloloving

February 9th, 2012, 12:03 PM

I seriously doubt LTA will ever allow lines to cross each other after the Promenade mess.

zoneoutz

February 10th, 2012, 02:26 AM

I think a while ago someone mentioned the possibility of converting the current Dhoby Ghaut/Marina Bay-bound tunnel into a Marine Parade-bound tunnel, and using the current middle track for Dhoby Ghaut/Marina Bay. Possible?

Seloloving

February 10th, 2012, 12:05 PM

I have proposed that before in private, but it seems the idea was not very popular.

Perhaps simply knock down the middle platform and pave over it to create a gigantic platform?

mcarling

February 10th, 2012, 01:21 PM

I seriously doubt LTA will ever allow lines to cross each other after the Promenade mess.

I think one tunnel would need to pass under the existing tunnels and interconnect from the other side.

skystopper

February 11th, 2012, 08:55 AM

My preferable approach is still NEL style, announce the line interchanging with the station with no further details. Too much information lead to confusions at times.

I prefer NEL interchange annoucement too. Once Downtown line is open, I think they should re-consider their interchange annoucement. There will be way to many of them. Using the current annoucement will be too long and unnecessary.

I would suggest something like this...

Annoucement when leaving for the next station:
Next Station, Dhoby Ghaut Interchange.
Annoucement when arriving at Dhoby Ghaut Interchange:
Dhoby Ghaut,
Transfer here for North-East or Circle Line.
Dhoby Ghaut.

OR

Annoucement when leaving for the next station:
Next Station, Dhoby Ghaut Interchange.
Passengers may transfer to the North-East and Circle Line.
Annoucement when arriving at Dhoby Ghaut Interchange:
Dhoby Ghaut,
Dhoby Ghaut.

circleline4

February 11th, 2012, 10:10 AM

Was at Bishan CCL this morning, the announcement format was:

Next Station, Bishan Interchange.
Passengers who are continuing their journey on the North South Line, please alight at the next station.
Passengers who are continuing their journey towards MRB or JE Int, please proceed to the NSL.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Bishan Interchange.
Passengers who are continuing their journey towards MRB or JE Int, please proceed to the NSL.

So basically now they've used the old arriving announcement for both departure and arrival.

ddes

February 12th, 2012, 04:24 AM

I prefer NEL interchange annoucement too. Once Downtown line is open, I think they should re-consider their interchange annoucement. There will be way to many of them. Using the current annoucement will be too long and unnecessary.

You know what? I have no idea what's with Singaporeans and their detest for literally, any announcement at all, because of "noise pollution". It's not like our trains are soundproof. In fact, I think of all major Asian cities, we have the least amount of relevant announcements.

Where is the information when you need them? At Promenade, passengers who're unsure have to rely on an inconsistent RATIS that is sooo camera shy, it refuses to show the arrivals of alternating terminii. SMRT staff don't show initiative, and look unapproachable. Announcements are insufficient. All you have is an awkward sense of confusion where everybody is kind-of waiting for a train they're not even sure will arrive. It's ridiculous, you know, to have these things happening (or rather, not happening) in a supposedly developed country, and embarrassing that more information is disseminated in places like Bangkok, Beijing, Shanghai, where they're supossedly not as developed. I can't understand why Hong Kong has better information dissemination than here, I just can't.

eX.A.K.R.

February 12th, 2012, 06:26 PM

You know what? I have no idea what's with Singaporeans and their detest for literally, any announcement at all, because of "noise pollution". It's not like our trains are soundproof. In fact, I think of all major Asian cities, we have the least amount of relevant announcements.

Where is the information when you need them? At Promenade, passengers who're unsure have to rely on an inconsistent RATIS that is sooo camera shy, it refuses to show the arrivals of alternating terminii. SMRT staff don't show initiative, and look unapproachable. Announcements are insufficient. All you have is an awkward sense of confusion where everybody is kind-of waiting for a train they're not even sure will arrive. It's ridiculous, you know, to have these things happening (or rather, not happening) in a supposedly developed country, and embarrassing that more information is disseminated in places like Bangkok, Beijing, Shanghai, where they're supossedly not as developed. I can't understand why Hong Kong has better information dissemination than here, I just can't.

You know why?

Saw Phaik Hwa's legacy. Profits first, screw everything else.

mcarling

February 12th, 2012, 09:22 PM

Seloloving

February 13th, 2012, 12:52 PM

Announcements in Singapore's MRT network are either pointless or important but have a teenage girl announcing them.

The voice and tone of the announcer matters, it needs to be authoritative, precise and clear. CHY fails all three categories and but she passed her oral examinations by pronouncing every single letter.

The disruption announcement by SMRT is also the most irritating of all. Who on earth announces a disruption using a squeaky voice? Chimes also need to be much more consistent. Currently, you have a single chime for majority of the announcements regardless of importance. A double chime for "Do Not Eat", and a special annoying "tink thang" for security and disruption announcements.

There should be a less ear jarring chime for relevant announcements and a special tone used only for important announcements.

SBST is no better, they cannot keep their chime consistent. At certain stations, it plays at a higher note and others at a lower note. Chinese announcements sounds awkward, seriously, if you were a Chinese speaking only person, this is what you hear:

kjjkhsdfhjk dfskjhdfhkj KJHFDSHFDJ Duo Mei Ge.

Either implement a full announcement or leave it, don't half assed it. SBST's announcements for HarbourFront, Dhoby Ghaut, and Woodleigh are also distorted, as if they were recorded at the very last moment. That said, the SBST announcer beats CHY and SMRT's team of girls, but she lacks authority.

The gender of the voice matters as well. LTA needs to study psychology and reserve certain announcements to the correct gender and person with the correct tone. SBST has a male voice (Which no body cares about) doing their security announcements but nothing else.

If I were stuck on a train, I do not wish to have a teenage girl with a squeaky voice reassuring me everything's fine, I wish to hear a voice asserting authority.

More when I rant in future. :lol:

ddes

February 13th, 2012, 02:52 PM

You know why?

Saw Phaik Hwa's legacy. Profits first, screw everything else.
If it was SMRT board's decision to get rid of Juanita Melson, I do see it as a plus. As someone of Filipino-Eurasian, her pronounciation of Chinese names was cringe-worthy, and towards the end, when her role was expanded to include public service announcements and "mind the gaps" stuff, it was clear her intonation was a little off, and her voice began croaking too.

I'm not about to defend their choice of CHY though, who ironically, was most recognized for her stint with ComfortDelgro's taxi call-booking for the longest time. I suppose CHY's tone is the closest to Christelle Ciari's, whose tone of voice seems to be adopted all across Asia for some reason (maybe it's the acoustics).

I agree. I can't remember ever hearing an announcement on the MRT that was useful to me. If I had to choose between the current announcements and no announcements at all, the latter would be greatly preferable.

I find Tokyo's style of English announcements to be ideal.

For example,

The next station is Dhoby Ghaut, the doors on the right side will open. Please change here for the North East Line and Circle Line. The stop after Dhoby Ghaut, will be Somerset (only applies when the immediate station is an interchange).
(no other announcements played whatsoever when arriving, doors closing announcement is just a buzzer)

Yes, the announcement is long, but it's relevant.

There's no preceeding announcement reminding you not to lean on the train doors (as if the 2 stickers on a set of doors, and the yellow warning stickers to keep clear from the doors, along with the general realization that you're on a fast-moving vehicle, and it's not wise to lean on the door isn't enough).