MRT Circle Line - Connecting all lines [Archive] - Page 3

mrtfreak

January 25th, 2008, 01:10 PM

You can't bypass Nicoll Highway if you can't bypass Paya Lebar, Dakota and Mountbatten. But no, I don't see why Nicoll Highway will take all the way to 2010 to be ready. Maybe end 2009-early 2010? After all, they had all of us hoodwinked with the line opening in 2010 and 2011. And I'm glad that they also notice that we are feeling the squash very much.

What we need are parallel lines like the TSL and NSL which would mostly mirror each other. So it would be a relief for the passengers on NSL in Ang Mo Kio and Bishan that the Woodlands passengers take the TSL to town.

I suppose that a Holland line would also be appreciated very much. It would mirror the EWL and if it provided interchange with the western side of the NSL, that would take the relief off the EWL -> NSL transfers at Jurong East.

Another thing to ponder is whether DTL3 will include an extension to the ERL from Expo.

Let's hope that the CCL opening could be extended to Tai Seng or even MacPherson next year. Tai Seng at least. That station has been ready for eons.

mrtfreak

January 25th, 2008, 01:15 PM

http://www.straitstimes.com/Video%2BNews/Singapore/STIVodcast_3483.html

Here is the video clip by the Straits Times on CCL trains.... they are already in operational! They are already running. Wow.

What I was impressed is that not entire Depot is filled with third rail that power trains... really new generation of trains... self powered?
Woooooo..... Wow, they sure don't waste any time on their trains. Anyone noted that the gangway for this batch of Alstom Metropolises looks different? :banana:

JediAlf

January 25th, 2008, 01:15 PM

You can't bypass Nicoll Highway if you can't bypass Paya Lebar, Dakota and Mountbatten.

:)

NEL trains already bypassed Woodleigh. So Nicoll Highway would be still finishing its touches so trains can bypass. :)

Tracks already laid all way in Stage 1 and 2. Before you know it, trains would be already bypassing stations during trial runs!

mrtfreak

January 25th, 2008, 01:16 PM

Yeah, but Paya Lebar has a lot of work to be done still. I dunno if its ready for trains to pass through. Woodleigh is already a complete station like Buangkok.

JediAlf

January 25th, 2008, 01:17 PM

Woooooo..... Wow, they sure don't waste any time on their trains. Anyone noted that the gangway for this batch of Alstom Metropolises looks different? :banana:

Just that rail tracks look newer - modern structures. Same width. What I was stunned is the new look of MRT trains - it blew my minds when I saw it running without a third rail seen - look at the part where train is moving with people watching. Notice there is no third rail behind the moving train...

JediAlf

January 25th, 2008, 01:18 PM

Yeah, but Paya Lebar has a lot of work to be done still. I dunno if its ready for trains to pass through. Woodleigh is already a complete station like Buangkok.

Don't forgot how we have bypassed Dover station during its construction. :)

Paya Lebar would be finishing its construction already by the time they open CCL 3.

mrtfreak

January 25th, 2008, 01:24 PM

Just that rail tracks look newer - modern structures. Same width. What I was stunned is the new look of MRT trains - it blew my minds when I saw it running without a third rail seen - look at the part where train is moving with people watching. Notice there is no third rail behind the moving train...
Might be a neutral section of track where there's a gap in between the third rail.

Don't forgot how we have bypassed Dover station during its construction. :)

Paya Lebar would be finishing its construction already by the time they open CCL 3.
Yes, it would. They are already doing back-filling but that's just the surface. The side closer to the EWL still has a maze of things going on. Oh well, I suppose wait and see for the announcements.

Dover was above ground. Much easier to do with less restrictions. But whatever, it's not set in concrete (ha!).

JediAlf

January 25th, 2008, 01:41 PM

Might be a neutral section of track where there's a gap in between the third rail.

Yes, it would. They are already doing back-filling but that's just the surface. The side closer to the EWL still has a maze of things going on. Oh well, I suppose wait and see for the announcements.

Dover was above ground. Much easier to do with less restrictions. But whatever, it's not set in concrete (ha!).

What is so interesting is that the gap is very big. :)

At Paya Lebar - they are already working on the structure below the surface. :)

Tunnels in Stage 1 - 3 are completed. Rail tracks already laid even in Stage 1 - 3 including Paya Lebar.

mrtfreak

January 25th, 2008, 01:46 PM

Maybe they were using a maintenance train to push/pull it? :lol: Or the third rail is incredibly low. Check the other shots of the track, looks very slim in design to me.

JediAlf

January 25th, 2008, 01:48 PM

Maybe they were using a maintenance train to push/pull it? :lol: Or the third rail is incredibly low. Check the other shots of the track, looks very slim in design to me.

Truly new generation of trains and new generation of facilities. I cannot take my eyes off this depot - really better than what we saw any of existing depots.

kurakura

January 25th, 2008, 10:33 PM

http://www.straitstimes.com/Video%2BNews/Singapore/STIVodcast_3483.html

Here is the video clip by the Straits Times on CCL trains.... they are already in operational! They are already running. Wow.

What I was impressed is that not entire Depot is filled with third rail that power trains... really new generation of trains... self powered?

thats really impressive. imagine if u are working there. cant even see daylight if u check in early and check out late

JediAlf

January 26th, 2008, 06:10 PM

Kim Chuan Depot all ready to provide support for rail lines
By Wong Siew Ying, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 26 January 2008 1754 hrs

SINGAPORE: After five years of construction, the Kim Chuan Depot is now ready to provide support for the upcoming Circle and Downtown MRT Lines.

The underground structure will provide stabling of the trains, maintenance and operational control of the two rail lines.

Transport Minister Raymond Lim visited the new facility on Friday, where he announced more rail lines ahead following a review of Singapore's land transport.

Kim Chuan Depot is Singapore's first underground depot - in fact, 17 metres down under.

Measuring 11 hectares, or the size of 17 football fields, the depot is also the world's largest.

The $290 million depot will house several state-of-the-art facilities like its Operation Control Centre which will be manned by nine operators at any one time.

Their role is to supervise the day-to-day operations of the trains and stations.

They can also communicate with passengers onboard trains, monitor CCTV images, or shut down the system if there is an emergency.

Commuters will have a smoother ride too, with the help of what's called a cripple siding located between the two rail tracks.

Ong Boon Ann, Land Transport Authority's deputy director for Circle Line Systems, said: "When there's a defective train, a train that malfunctions, it can be moved to be parked at the cripple siding. This way, it will not impede any on-coming trains."

Trains will be sent for maintenance at a workshop in the depot, and to facilitate checks, they will be hoisted by a special lifting system, considering that each train comprises three carriages and weighs about 120 tonnes.

The Land Transport Authority says 16 trains have arrived at the depot so far. Another 24 will be delivered by the end of this year, three months earlier than planned. The depot can accommodate 77 trains.

The facility has a 23-metre high automatic storage and retrieval system, a first for a train depot.

The depot also has a central warehouse for the Circle Line, storing three to five years worth of materials and spare parts needed for the maintenance work.

The place is packed with subterranean activities, but the ground level will not be neglected. About three hectares of land left empty will be used for light industrial development which can have buildings of up to nine storeys. - CNA/ir

Confirmed that what I have mentioned long ago, Kim Chuan Depot is for CCL and DTL - confirmed that both CCL and DTL tunnels are inter-shared!

This explained the location of DTL depot next to Marina Bay with extension of CCL tunnels from CCL/DTL Bayfront!

What is interesting - Commuters will have a smoother ride too, with the help of what's called a cripple siding located between the two rail tracks.

Ong Boon Ann, Land Transport Authority's deputy director for Circle Line Systems, said: "When there's a defective train, a train that malfunctions, it can be moved to be parked at the cripple siding. This way, it will not impede any on-coming trains."

"Cripple siding" - this is really new to me! Advanced technologies at work!
Wow!

I was even impressed with lifting system of the trains. Special lifting system.

My jaws dropped.

kurakura

January 26th, 2008, 11:00 PM

77 trains capacity for 2 lines? thats an acute shortage ! its barely enough for CCL alone during peak hours!

JediAlf

January 26th, 2008, 11:37 PM

77 trains capacity for 2 lines? thats an acute shortage ! its barely enough for CCL alone during peak hours!

There is confirmed depot for DTL at Marina Bay - just being located next to NSL/CCL Marina Bay. This depot will support the existing one - Kim Chuan.

77 - three cars trains at Kim Chuan

-> 40 trains for CCL - already more than you need for 29 stations and 33 km. Calculation of trains translates to 29 trains at 29 stations. Then we have 11 trains in between stations.

-> 34 trains probably for Downtown Line. 40 km and 33 stations - probably need more than 60 trains. So Marina Bay depot should have capacity of about 40 trains to 50 trains. So 33 stations would have 33 trains. Then about 12 trains in between two stations.

NEL - 20 km with 16 stations - 25 six cars trains.

16 NEL stations with 16 trains. 9 trains in between.

NSL and EWL - 105 six train cars
29 stations on EWL
23 stations on NSL
51 stations would have 51 trains. Would have 53 trains in between. This is the best optimization. Having another 51 trains at 51 stations in other direction at same time. Total 102 trains at every station in both direction.

With additional of 2 new stations - Joo Koon and Pioneer. With 2 trains to spare, it would be able to cater to two additional stations.

With additional of 6 stations for extensions - Tuas and Marina South - SMRT needs about 10-20 new trains to overcome the shortage.

Older trains would contribute to higher maintenance. So this explained why SMRT had to refurnish older trains including Siemens trains - replace the motor gears and metals to optimize the lifespan of trains in order to prevent more than 2 trains to be taken out to be serviced.

Not easy to run.

Calculation is based on one direction. By right, in order to have less than 2 min frequencies, more trains need to be purchased.

For example, on NEL with 16 stations. They should have calculated 16*2 = 32 trains at every station with two trains in both direction. About 1/3 of total of trains at 32 stations would be in between - 11 trains.

Total 43 trains. This would optimize the frequencies. But again, having 43 trains would not be economical because during peak hours - only 1 - 2 hours would experience heavier loads of commuters.

Obviously, LTA did not take into consideration that there would be likely to have two or more trains to be taken out to be service and underestimate the calculation of getting trains for new lines.

mrtfreak

January 27th, 2008, 03:46 AM

I think cripple sidings are just existing technology with new innovation not new technology all together. It doesn't take new technology to build a new tunnel in between a pair of tracks. And this already exists in between Farrer Park and Little India stations but nevertheless, its a good a feature I suppose. Maintenance vehicles can also be stored there for whatever reason. Or if a train needs to turn around due to disruption it can be done.

kurakura

January 27th, 2008, 08:58 AM

mrtfreak

January 27th, 2008, 01:55 PM

Instead of 2 parallel tunnels, there are 3 parallel tunnels. The one in the centre is the cripple tunnel used when trains are malfunctioning and so can be taken out of service without affecting the rest of the line.

The lifting mechanism is located in the depot and used to lift the train for inspection of the under carriage. There's a photo of the train being lifted somewhere.

JediAlf

January 27th, 2008, 02:26 PM

^tamago^

January 27th, 2008, 04:48 PM

We call those extra middle track at Yishun, Farrer Park, Ang Mo Kio, Outram Park, HarbourFront and Woodlands. etc an overrun track/tunnel. :lol:

I prefer to reserve "cripple line" for the CCL only.

In fact, if CCL doesn't have it through the length of the route then it's really just another overrun tunnel. I prefer to be able to see what is so revoluntionary about the cripple line that they've set up.

mrtfreak

January 28th, 2008, 05:00 PM

Why is it called an overrun tunnel? Isn't that reserved for the terminals whereby the overrun is in case a train overshoots? Shouldn't it be called a middle siding then for the in-between stations cases?

mrtfreak

February 5th, 2008, 06:22 PM

kurakura

February 5th, 2008, 09:48 PM

we will wait and see coz CCL stage 5 is light years from completion....ZZZZZzzzzzzzz

anyways... i think the side opposite the lil convenience stall (is that cheers? i dun think so) will be hacked.

JediAlf

February 6th, 2008, 12:07 AM

Anyone thought of how they are going to integrate HarbourFront station's 2 lines?

There's an info panel inside HarbourFront Centre I saw today, at the NEL exit. The area where the GTMs are will be opened up to be the CCL concourse. Where the underground cheers store is will be the escalators to the CCL platform. The NEL-side faregates will be moved to where they are now for the exit to Vivo city and they will be adjacent to the passenger service counter as well. Directly facing the entrance to Vivo city B2 will be the CCL-side faregates. Sorry I don't have any pictures for the moment.

Both stations are just adjacent to each other. So they will share same level of concourse.

Cheers store may not be hacked.

When you come out from trains in NEL Station, you would take escalator, you will see present exit faregates in the end, on the right. The side faregates would be shifted to the other end on the left. The long wall that face the side faregates will be dismantled to reveal the entrance to CCL Station as what you have mentioned from the panel.

The wall that face the Vivocity (entrance to Vivocity) mayl be dismantled to reveal the entrance to CCL Station - with its faregates in front.

It is gonna to be interesting to see how they transfer passengers from NEL to CCL smoothly.

JediAlf

February 6th, 2008, 12:09 AM

we will wait and see coz CCL stage 5 is light years from completion....ZZZZZzzzzzzzz

anyways... i think the side opposite the lil convenience stall (is that cheers? i dun think so) will be hacked.

HarbourFront CCL station is already completed - first station on Stage 5 to be finished long time ago. Well ahead of all remaining Stage 5 stations. Just that it is covered with walls as we walk past when we arrive at NEL Harbourfront.

ddes

February 6th, 2008, 02:20 PM

^tamago^

February 6th, 2008, 08:09 PM

Just go to the exit near the Cheers store and see the diagram.

mrtfreak

February 7th, 2008, 04:34 PM

I was at Dhoby Ghaut the other time and they also had one of those info-panels. Should try to get pictures of these to show how the interchanges will interface with each different line.

kurakura

February 7th, 2008, 05:35 PM

According to the Circle Line Art In Transit competition floor plans, transfer between CCL and NEL is going to be easy...

Escalator from NEL platform to the mezzanine level (ticketing), walk through the wall where the information maps are, and escalator down to the CCL platform...

Transfering can't get that much easier except perhaps the City Hall/Raffles Place transfers.

hmmm...but one should not tap out from NEL and tap in at CCL again with their ezlink rite? should be sumthing like the current interchanges where the EZ link card will auto calculate ur fares.

mrtfreak

February 7th, 2008, 08:20 PM

^^ Correct. The current NEL faregates facing the GTMs will be moved to the left and 90 degrees. Where they are now will become the paid area and the are between the faregates and the GTM will be the paid area also. Then there will be more faregates just outside the Vivo City B2 entrance to the CCL area.

Charging Bull

February 21st, 2008, 02:56 PM

Where is this CCL Marina Bay Station ? I'm really confused.....

Award Of Contract For CCL Marina Bay Station

The Land Transport Authority (LTA) has awarded the civil works contract (C901) for the Circle Line (CCL) Marina Bay Station to Hock Lian Seng Infrastructure Pte Ltd.

The contract is valued at S$348.4 million.

Scope of Contracts

Contract 901 is for the construction and completion of the CCL Marina Bay Station and tunnels. The scope also includes addition and alteration works to the existing North South Line (NSL) Marina Bay station, localised diversions of the East Coast Parkway and Marina Street as well as demolition of an expunged vehicular underpass.

About the Contractors

Hock Lian Seng Infrastructure Pte Ltd is currently undertaking the construction for the Extension of Bartley Road to Airport Road, and the bridge over Sungei Serangoon connecting Buangkok Drive to Tampines Road. They have also recently completed the construction of the Kim Chuan Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) Depot.

Circle Line (CCL) Extension

When completed in 2012, the 2.4km CCL Extension will be a fully underground, automated rail transit system that will extend from CCL Promenade station via Downtown Line Stage 1 (DTL1) Bayfront station to the CCL Marina Bay station.

The Circle Line Marina Bay station is a new station on the Circle Line. It will serve as an interchange station connecting the Circle Line to the present North South Line. When completed, there will be an integrated entrance which will serve both the new Circle Line Marina Bay Station and the existing North South Line Marina Bay station

JediAlf

February 21st, 2008, 03:33 PM

Where is this CCL Marina Bay Station ? I'm really confused.....

CCL Marina Bay Station is probably under the existing NSL Marina Bay station.

ddes

February 23rd, 2008, 05:24 PM

Just noticed today that the CCL has a "New York" style MRT exit (with no "shelter") at the War Memorial's exit of Esplanade station.

Unique but not wise considering how sunny and rainy our weather tends to be.

Nov

February 23rd, 2008, 06:33 PM

Photo? How do they intend to "drain" all the water entering the station through that exit?

kurakura

February 24th, 2008, 10:19 AM

yea...i saw that too. was kinda surprised. maybe they do not want the shelter to affect/obstruct the area around the war memorial.

they must have super big gutters waiting below.

also...the station name is esplanade.

mrtfreak

February 24th, 2008, 01:09 PM

The other option is to have doors before entering the station. That would ensure that the cool air from inside does not escape or the heavy rainwater enter the station.

So Esplanade has 4 entry-exit points plus linkage to the City Link mall and Raffles City extension? That's a lot.

ddes

February 24th, 2008, 02:19 PM

Well, Esplanade/City Hall station is afterall, at the core of the city, serving a huge area. And this is one place you don't ever want to dig up again since the F1 will be a annual thing.

babystan03

February 24th, 2008, 02:23 PM

I think they need to open this faster.....would be useful for the youth olympics i think....:yes:

mrtfreak

February 24th, 2008, 03:41 PM

It will open by 2010 anyway, the same year as the youth olympics.

Paya Lebar is gearing up for a major road diversion. Most of the station seems ready for back filling.

oahiyeel

February 24th, 2008, 04:58 PM

So Esplanade has 4 entry-exit points plus linkage to the City Link mall and Raffles City extension? That's a lot.

I happened to be in the area on saturday night.. There's one exit which is at the memorial park (described above), one opposite it (diagonally opp rafflescity, and opp raffles hotel), one at the entrance of suntec, one just outside one raffleslink (at the corner of the junction), one link to city link mall, and one link to marina square! that's like 6 already, and i did not know there's a link to raffles city extension. That would make 7 entry-exit points for the station :)

Paya Lebar is gearing up for a major road diversion. Most of the station seems ready for back filling.

Well, it's about time. The road there has been in quite terrible shape for quite long. haha.

mrtfreak

February 24th, 2008, 05:54 PM

JediAlf

February 25th, 2008, 12:40 AM

It will open by 2010 anyway, the same year as the youth olympics.

Paya Lebar is gearing up for a major road diversion. Most of the station seems ready for back filling.

Road diversion? I thought it should be restoring the road back to the original state as I did saw the station was in process to be filled with sands. concrete roof of underground station...

kurakura

February 25th, 2008, 03:45 AM

Oh. There's one to Marina Square too? That's a lot then.

Too bad they might not open the concourse till only 2010 when trains start running. It would make a good short cut to Suntec from City Hall without having to go through City Link.

And Suntec is served by 2 stations then? Esplanade and Promenade seeing that there are exits from Promenade near tower 4 I think.

i think city link mall will lose quite some business when CCL opens. most people go thru it just to get to suntec.

promenade has stations near tower 4? hmmm..i thought promenade station is to serve the singapore flyer area

mrtfreak

February 25th, 2008, 04:53 AM

Road diversion? I thought it should be restoring the road back to the original state as I did saw the station was in process to be filled with sands. concrete roof of underground station...Well, if it is restoration, it doesn't look like it is going to follow the original route of Paya Lebar Road before CCL construction. Sand has been back filled already for the part to the north of the EWL station and concrete been poured for the new road, but it still bends out near the existing bus stop towards the traffic lights.

mrtfreak

February 25th, 2008, 04:56 AM

i think city link mall will lose quite some business when CCL opens. most people go thru it just to get to suntec.

promenade has stations near tower 4? hmmm..i thought promenade station is to serve the singapore flyer area
http://www.lta.gov.sg/images/promenade.jpg

You can see the exits they have. Some are near Millenia Walk and Suntec.

I think this one shows it better.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/ccl1_millenia_map.gif

kurakura

February 25th, 2008, 07:07 AM

oh...esplanade station and promenade are so close to each other.

so the nearest mrt to singapore flyer and F1 pit is still promenade rite?

ddes

February 25th, 2008, 02:04 PM

kurakura

February 26th, 2008, 09:25 AM

Yeah. Promenade is closest to Singapore Flyer, F1 pits...

This really begs the question; why have 2 stations so close to each other. I tend to believe that there are greater plans for Esplanade station, if not, it is a waste of resources.

haha. can imagine the train goin at speed of 20km/h for a few seconds and then stopping again.

JediAlf

February 26th, 2008, 12:41 PM

Yeah. Promenade is closest to Singapore Flyer, F1 pits...

This really begs the question; why have 2 stations so close to each other. I tend to believe that there are greater plans for Esplanade station, if not, it is a waste of resources.

Not waste of resources - two stations serve different places. These would relieve and even out the congestion. If one station is built - surely have congestion building up at all exits.

So two stations - one is next to War Memorial and the new site of complex and offices and existing Raffles City complex.

The another one is next to Suntec and Millenia Walk. More vacant lands surrounding the roads would be released for future developments. :)

:)

Nov

February 26th, 2008, 01:07 PM

Which is shorter? This stretch or Clark Quay - Chinatown?

kurakura

February 26th, 2008, 01:34 PM

Which is shorter? This stretch or Clark Quay - Chinatown?

i seriously think this is shorter. maybe around 70% of china-clark stretch

ddes

February 26th, 2008, 02:17 PM

kurakura

February 26th, 2008, 02:26 PM

at least promenade will be nearer to city hall mrt. different matter altogether if it rains.

JediAlf

February 26th, 2008, 03:20 PM

City Hall already serves the Esplanade and Promenade areas, although not very adequately but nonetheless, satisfactorily.

I'm skeptical of the congestion of what the Marina Centre is capable of which one station cannot handle.

What I cannot predict is human traffic. What do Singaporeans see Marina Centre? A entire destination that needs to be seen as a whole package OR just purposeful for one mall only?

And one more thing. Relieving congestion? The CCL fails completely to serve the floating platform/Esplanade area. Promenade station is as far as Esplanade station or City Hall station...

You will be surprised at the volume when two stations open. City Hall is gonna reach its capacity - down few years. So it calls for more stations in the area.

City area - esp CBD and shopping district always have stations in short intervals - common in many cities.

kurakura

February 26th, 2008, 03:33 PM

You will be surprised at the volume when two stations open. City Hall is gonna reach its capacity - down few years. So it calls for more stations in the area.

City area - esp CBD and shopping district always have stations in short intervals - common in many cities.

maybe its still more convenient to stop at city hall coz some commuters are discouraged by transfers between lines.

mrtfreak

February 26th, 2008, 04:43 PM

I think one of the reasons Esplanade was constructed was basically to serve the Exhibition & Convention Centre at Suntec (of which it is almost outside of). After all, it was named Convention Centre station during the initial stages. Esplanade as a name is highly deceiving though, I feel.

The station name signs for Esplanade are up at most, if not all, entrances.

JediAlf

February 26th, 2008, 04:55 PM

maybe its still more convenient to stop at city hall coz some commuters are discouraged by transfers between lines.

It all depends on where they head. For example, going to west, they would go to City Hall Interchange. Going to Stadium or Paya Lebar, people at Suntec/Marina will take CCL straight to these destination.

No matter how many lines we get, this won't stop us from transferring. We will get used to transfer from trains to another train like what people in other cities do.

More stations transform into interchange as more lines intersect.

Aranho

February 28th, 2008, 10:44 AM

Here are some pictures of Esplanade stn. entrances

Convention Centre Entrance
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/2298059914_54b669fd4c_b.jpg

Convention Centre Entrance (find the ang mors for the entrance)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/2297282283_eb5197e0e9_b.jpg

War Memorial Entrance (bottom left)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/2297266599_db4963670a_b.jpg

Suntec City with the two entrances shown (Con. Ctr @ bottom center; War Mem. @ bottom right [only back part of entrance shown])
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3007/2297266541_1345e3430b_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2297283737_d0d17621ab.jpg

ddes

February 28th, 2008, 02:51 PM

Thanks for the pics Aranho.

It seems work is finally progressing on the NSL Southbound Bishan platform. They have begun to put the dividers or beams (whatever you call it) for more platform screen doors.

mrtfreak

March 2nd, 2008, 04:35 AM

Went past Tai Seng station yesterday. For one exit, the station name sign was actually lighted up. You can see the station coding quite well actually.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/ccl2_pl_map.gif

Entrance 1 of Paya Lebar seems to be finishing off quite well. The structure seems more or less complete with the finishing touches to be put on now.

Entrance 2 still needs some work to be done.

I'm not too sure what Link 1 is, but Link 2 seems to be coming along well. They need to connect it to the existing EWL station though.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/ccl2_macp_map.gif

Entrance 1 - roofing is continuing with air conditioning equipment, etc being installed on the roof entrance.

Entrance 3 has progressed. I think this will be largely metal and glass based.

Entrance 4 is the most advanced. Cladding is mostly complete. Glass has yet to be installed. I suppose they will focus on the interior for this entrance since the stair way looks a bit rough at the moment. The escalators have been installed though.

Opposite entrance 1 is some sort of ventilation structure that has come up within the last few weeks. Perhaps this is where a new exit will be in future.

And, the wonders of google searching:

http://www.barat.com/Cofipro-Barat/Activite%20ferroviaire/Singapore%20Circle%20Line.jpg

kurakura

March 2nd, 2008, 08:21 AM

the trains in the pic are not in singapore? the trees doesnt look local :)

anyway, i drove past paya lebar a few days ago. that area is still one big mess.

oahiyeel

March 2nd, 2008, 09:41 AM

^^ that's our circle line train? looks good! :)
link 1 is probably the underpass which links both concourses (unpaid area) together.
link 2 probably links the transit area.

ddes

March 2nd, 2008, 01:33 PM

For Paya Lebar, I wonder why they have no exit at the Lucky Plaza side. Perhaps too long a walk?

Isn't this photo a picture of the NEL trains before it was painted into SBS Transit livery? Look at 2nd train further back, the CCL trains have a centre window whereas this one doesn't have it.

mrtfreak

March 2nd, 2008, 03:00 PM

Nope, its CCL. NEL trains don't have the portion of the emergency ramp that goes up, it only folds down. The CCL trains have a window in the middle that needs to be the part that folds upwards. Also, if you look straight down the train, you'll be able to see the KL PUTRA LRT-esque middle window at the other end of the train. Other ways to tell the difference between NEL and CCL trains would be that the NEL has a more colourful interior than CCL. CCL has white panels (where the maps will be displayed), NEL's are brownish/peachy. And pre-SBS Transit livery, the NEL trains had a red strip just below the black top that did not extend all the way down. It also ended before it reached the train front.

NEL trains were something like this:
http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/sing-ne/images/5_On-test.jpg
http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/sing-ne/images/3_Standby.jpg

I don't think it is local. Probably at the Alstom manufacturing and testing factory.

Also, some other renderings for CCL.

MacPherson exit 3 will look something like this:

http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Circle-Line-04.jpg

Probably what the Stage 3 stations will look like:

http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Circle-Line-03.jpg

Stage 3 station interior (Serangoon? Look at the number of escalators down):

http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Circle-Line-02.jpg

Linkway at Serangoon station?:

http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Circle-Line-01.jpg

kurakura

March 3rd, 2008, 07:59 AM

eh... new pics!

more walkalators coming. and since when they decide to put so many seats around?

ddes

March 3rd, 2008, 01:10 PM

Oh yeah. Thanks mrtfreak.

By the way, the 'above ground' pics of CCL and NEL aren't in Singapore. I saw somewhere on a Alstom trains enthusiast website that it is at the Alstom test-track somewhere in France.

I wouldn't scrutinize renderings right to detail. It's best to look at the real pictures.

JediAlf

March 3rd, 2008, 01:37 PM

http://www.barat.com/Cofipro-Barat/Activite%20ferroviaire/Singapore%20Circle%20Line.jpg

http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/sing-ne/images/5_On-test.jpg

http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/sing-ne/images/6_Test-track.jpg

These photos are taken in Valenciennes, France - home base of Alstom where they test all new trains before delivering to customers. :)

This is relatively new test track circuit - started operational testing in year 2000. NEL trains were one of first trains to be tested on the track circuit. :)

JediAlf

March 3rd, 2008, 01:41 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/tamagoo/bus/train11tk.jpg

This is Circle Line MRT train. :)

MetroTube

March 4th, 2008, 12:15 PM

Truly new generation of trains and new generation of facilities. I cannot take my eyes off this depot - really better than what we saw any of existing depots.
The trains in maintenance workshop in KCD uses stinger system to power the cars, since it is not in the maintenance workshop, i guess there is 3rd rail or shunting vehicle pulling. The technology is not up there yet to allow frequent powering of the train using back up batteries in the train. Anyway i think there is nothing really really new or innovative about the infrastructure of KCD. Peharps because it is concrete and not ballasted track, and the fact that it is new and clean. It will get dirty as time goes by, definitely plenty of dust inside. The real innovative thing of KCD is that many parts of the depot are automatic, this is something we don't see from the picture.

ddes

March 4th, 2008, 01:05 PM

True, true. I agree.

Kim Chuan Depot does look abit different but look at it from another perspective, you can be sure the future depots will look more or less the same as this unless we get another signalling and track system..

MetroTube

March 4th, 2008, 01:37 PM

JediAlf

March 4th, 2008, 04:53 PM

the infrastructure is not going to change, it has been like that for many many years..
On a seperate note, i would love to see a Tramway down orchard road... looks like the plan might be shelved away....

Tramway in Orchard - it was first suggested by Alstom Transport President to Singapore to have tram along Orchard some time ago. :)

I will clap if Circle Line trains would eventually get to Dhoby Ghaut next year instead of 2010. Ha.

MetroTube

March 4th, 2008, 05:46 PM

Yeah, since then, it has been rather quiet on this topic....would love a high speed rail network all the way to thailand also... haha

ddes

March 5th, 2008, 01:50 PM

Maelstrom

March 5th, 2008, 01:54 PM

This render looks exactly like the render that was released for one of Perth's new underground stations.

Singapore's wonderful MRT
http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Circle-Line-04.jpg

Perth's ok Transperth Trains
http://www.3designarchitect.com/images/gallery%20transportation/3%20Wil%2003.jpg

And this ticket level part of the station is similar as well:

Perth's mediocre Transperth system:
http://www.3designarchitect.com/images/gallery%20transportation/3%20Wlm%2001.jpg

Singapore's great metro which I wish Perth had
http://www.hassell.com.au/siteImageStore/Circle-Line-01.jpg

Is it just me? Does anyone else see it?

MetroTube

March 5th, 2008, 02:01 PM

Alstom transport president? Not a French politician? Winks.

S'pore govt must have said "No, we no want your trams, but we will take your trains, LOTs of trainss"

HSR to Thailand has also been mooted but shelved indefinitely. There's just not enough justification for KL-Bangkok. In this case, air travel beats land transport at all points. A longer land journey, shorter flight path, sensitive Thai south, constant Thai coups and any detour to Khao Lak (Phuket), Krabi, Trang makes the journey far too long and whiny, Burmese border too close.
I think Alstom's underground power supply for tram (APS) is still not thoroughly proven yet. Maybe singapore is wary about this point. Defintely no overhead line and third rail for this kind of tram in singapore. So we will wait and see the development of APS. Maybe the japanese can come out with tram that can be solely powered by batteries.

ddes

March 5th, 2008, 02:50 PM

mrtfreak

March 5th, 2008, 02:54 PM

Probably the reason why the renders look so similar is because they're both from the Australian company Hassel?

I don't really like the idea of trams. Trams on Orchard Road wouldn't be that great an idea unless Orchard was transformed into a pedestrian mall. With regards to which side they should go on in the possibility of there being tram lines in the downtown area, I think they should not compete with buses so should travel on the opposite side of buses. However, the tram should be able to open doors on both sides for flexibility.

CCL Update:
Bartley - Roofing mostly done, they seem to be concentrating on internal fixtures now.

Tai Seng - They seem to be testing all the station subsystems. The LED panel at the entrances currently blinks entirely red.

JediAlf

March 5th, 2008, 04:18 PM

I think the real problem is that the city areas are simply not designed for trams.

Where on Orchard Road would you put the tram? Sacrificing one lane for trams would only add to the congestion. Besides there's the problem of which side of the road should it be which will definitely determine the ridership of such a system.

Personally, I believe there will never be trams in Singapore.

With regards to Orchard Rd, if you look through the forums, esp with Nov's speculative future maps, you'll should know I'm all for MRT.

Perhaps with different lines, but staggered stations, perhaps interchanging with Dhoby Ghaut.

I'm all for this now more than ever because there is essentially 2 parallel lines between the Dhoby Ghaut region and City Hall area (Esplanade station).

We cannot rule trams out. Eventually, in future, modern trams would be making first appearance in Singapore after the last ones were seen in Singapore in 1927.

New generation of trams would be powered from the ground - already in operation in one of cities in France - Bordeaux.

Under URA-STB Orchard Road planning, many service streets would be diverted or closed permanently and re-paved to allow pedestrians to walk without getting into traffic. This will potentially mark the entry of trams in future - may push buses off the roads in Orchard road belt...

Just like these trams in http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/fr/trams/Bordeaux/Citadis302/TBC2241QuR0504.jpg

Back to CCL stations, it is amusing that they don't cover up the station names to indicate that these are not in operational. Quite misleading to tourists thinking these are operational stations.

All I hope for early opening of Stage 1....

Aranho

March 5th, 2008, 04:22 PM

Edited (note: jedialf's comment not included in my post alone)

i also kinda agree not to have trams along orchard rd.

firstly, during shopping peak periods, firday night and weekends, if a tram were to build(refering to single decked trams only), and no matter how many trams are there, it will get very packed in the trams. so pickpocketing and molestation may or will become a problem. this will eventually "force" people to walk instead as it's safer.

secondly, with the jam-packed traffic everyday, esp. on peak periods and weekends, orchard road have enough congestion problems already. allowing trams to share the roads will cause the congestions to get worse and the trams will also kenna stuck in the congestion. gridlock may also happen.

thirldy, even though if the trams are elevated (LRT-like) or underground, government wouldn't allow one: trees are crucially needed along orchard rd to reduce air pollution emitted from vehicles, underground needed for subway projects, water pipes, power lines, communication lines and underground mall links.

fourth and lastly, trams requires stations for people to board and alight plus depots to conduct maintainence. along orchard road, there is barely enough space to build a maintainence facility, let alone a proper one. we also can't sacrifice some plots of the pedestrian (ped) mall just to build stations. ped malls helps to connect all of the at-ground level mall entrances plus bus stops, taxi stands, subway entrances, roadside buskers and makeshift ice cream stalls so that we all can navigate orchard road easily, not to forget that human-packed ped malls leave the impression to everyone that orchard road is indeed the liveliest shopping district in S'pore. no ped malls, less human traffic on roads, give impression that orchard road is not so lively, poeple gets less attracted (both human and vehicle), business falls, lots of stalls and malls close, not a shopping district anymore. (take note: the fourth point doesn't include in the underground life of orchard road. also, this point only refers to the current ped malls, not mrtfreak's POV for the whole of orchard rd to be transform to ped mall instead)

so overall, no trams along orchard road for me unless some road along orchard district turns into ped malls or something then i'll reconsider.

JediAlf

March 5th, 2008, 05:08 PM

Interesting comments, Aranho. :)

I will raise my cup of coffee and sip it when the Government finally announces the entry of trams. I have feeling that we will be in surprise again.

spikeshamz

March 5th, 2008, 08:47 PM

Those are the new trams in Nice. Am i right. Its very smooth. Just took it last christmas. Although there is a place where a tram is just perfect. Green energy without sacrificing car lanes. How about trams along East Coast Park or Pasir Ris Park all the way to Punggol and Sengkang Park. Linking to the LRT then. At least it will lessen the cars commuintg around the area and lack of public buses to these areas.

MetroTube

March 6th, 2008, 09:06 AM

Kinda agree that having trams might be a problem for the already congested orchard road area. That will depends on how the government going to shape orchard road in the future. Trams don't really need stations, the stops are more like bus-stops, cos they are similar to buses. For the depot, if there is a depot at marina bay, it would certainly be useful for the tram. But i think it wouldn't be so soon, even if the govt is keen on tramway.

heirloom

March 6th, 2008, 11:10 AM

@aranho's point 1

huh? why would peak hour traffic on tram be more prone to crime than peak hour traffic on any other mode of transport? besides, i dont think crime is very much of a consideration in singapore...

ddes

March 6th, 2008, 12:37 PM

Aranho, I guess you have heard about the pickpocketing incidents in Eastern Europe's tram networks.

kurakura

March 6th, 2008, 02:43 PM

JediAlf

March 6th, 2008, 03:17 PM

i have seen accidents of trams and cars in europe and the whole road was obstructed. its not easy to remove a damaged tram and if something like tat happen in orchard road. the jam will be miles long until holland V by the time the tram is removed.

This is an exaggeration. Usually trams would be in centre of road or on the sides of road. There are ways to remove them quickly to ensure no congestion is built. If Singapore is to build tram systems, I am sure they would invest in special vehicles to remove them. The authorities may enforce the rules that vehicles cannot enter tramways in specific places except for junctions. Accidents can happen due to reckless drivers or irresponsible drivers.

In Paris, electric trams returned to Paris streets after more than 70 years of ceasing tram services. These effectively replace buses and carry more passengers than buses. More green. I am sure these trams have impressed our Government officers whenever they are in France.

Hong Kong has good tram systems that have been operating for years. I am sure Singapore authorities are very interested in bringing trams to Singapore as the trams are cheaper to build and much faster to build than MRT systems. I won't be surprised if STB officers already discuss with officers from Alstom over trams.

mrtfreak

March 7th, 2008, 03:25 AM

Shouldn't this go into a topic on trams now that it seems to be a hot topic? :lol:

Anyway, not too sure if I saw right, but there were signs yesterday at the City Link Mall... The escalators to the bridge linking Suntec have been closed off and you have to get to the bridge by going up the escalators towards Marina Square. The sign said that the new connection via Esplanade MRT station concourse would be ready roughly around April 1st.

I'm not sure if I saw right, so maybe some one will need to verify this.

kurakura

March 7th, 2008, 08:45 PM

This is an exaggeration. Usually trams would be in centre of road or on the sides of road. There are ways to remove them quickly to ensure no congestion is built. If Singapore is to build tram systems, I am sure they would invest in special vehicles to remove them. The authorities may enforce the rules that vehicles cannot enter tramways in specific places except for junctions. Accidents can happen due to reckless drivers or irresponsible drivers.

In Paris, electric trams returned to Paris streets after more than 70 years of ceasing tram services. These effectively replace buses and carry more passengers than buses. More green. I am sure these trams have impressed our Government officers whenever they are in France.

Hong Kong has good tram systems that have been operating for years. I am sure Singapore authorities are very interested in bringing trams to Singapore as the trams are cheaper to build and much faster to build than MRT systems. I won't be surprised if STB officers already discuss with officers from Alstom over trams.

it happened and it got stuck for some time coz it was just outside my uni.
somehow thw tram was lodged onto the poor car.

yea. trams are usually in the middle and sometimes it needs to turn right to go to the right direction. imagine from orchard road turning to scotts road. and bam one car that is travelling from on orchard road by the side hit the tram from behind coz the tram needs to cut into scotts road (rail still in the middle of scotts road but its apparent that the rail is not in the middle of orchard road anymore)

another problem is more traffic congestion coz trams and cars cannot have the same signalling system or else the tram will not be able to turn into other left/right direction unless singapore plan to have a straight travelling tram...but then how would the tram turn around? another rail? that would take up 2 car lanes. therefore: trams are just not feasible in the orchard area. furthermore, trams need a big circumference of rail for the tram to turn around and there is no more space in orchard to do that. i have seen a lot of those weird circular rails so the tram can double back coz most depots will be too far away.

PS: i think SG ministers will not be bothered with public tranportations systems overseas coz they get chaffeured around. our public transport system will improve a great deal if only sg's ministers start taking the public transport here and feel the pain.

ddes

March 8th, 2008, 02:28 AM

JediAlf

March 8th, 2008, 03:35 AM

it happened and it got stuck for some time coz it was just outside my uni.
somehow thw tram was lodged onto the poor car.

yea. trams are usually in the middle and sometimes it needs to turn right to go to the right direction. imagine from orchard road turning to scotts road. and bam one car that is travelling from on orchard road by the side hit the tram from behind coz the tram needs to cut into scotts road (rail still in the middle of scotts road but its apparent that the rail is not in the middle of orchard road anymore)

another problem is more traffic congestion coz trams and cars cannot have the same signalling system or else the tram will not be able to turn into other left/right direction unless singapore plan to have a straight travelling tram...but then how would the tram turn around? another rail? that would take up 2 car lanes. therefore: trams are just not feasible in the orchard area. furthermore, trams need a big circumference of rail for the tram to turn around and there is no more space in orchard to do that. i have seen a lot of those weird circular rails so the tram can double back coz most depots will be too far away.

PS: i think SG ministers will not be bothered with public tranportations systems overseas coz they get chaffeured around. our public transport system will improve a great deal if only sg's ministers start taking the public transport here and feel the pain.

Perhaps, you can take a look at Paris's latest tramway. - it was not circular either. They have alternatives ways to do this. :)

kurakura

March 8th, 2008, 05:31 AM

Initially I was worried the CCL would lose in competition with buses like 74 and other buses plying similar routes.

Then the govt announced it would take control of routes and all that jazz.

With more "consolidation", I'm sure this will start to hurt SBST bus operations. It could possibly transform the behemoth that it is now to an operator with a smaller network. And with even more rail lines, SBST could find itself hurt and bleeding with alot of premium and feeder bus routes, but with few trunk routes to boast of.

hmmm, i thought Minister raymond had mentioned that routes can be duplicate? but i think they will only duplicate those jam pack routes....

CCL is not going to do much damage lah...coz they are efficient in parts of 4 only. the bus will still beat the CCL train if it has to travel from one the extreme end of the circle to the other (half CCL length). but CCL will have the upperhand for most quarter circle service. eg from kallang to bishan. just my rough guess.

Perhaps, you can take a look at Paris's latest tramway. - it was not circular either. They have alternatives ways to do this. :)

oh.... not goin there anytime soon... haih :(
should have gone there when i could

mrtfreak

March 10th, 2008, 05:07 AM

A new road diversion at Paya Lebar CCL station has been implemented with the road going over part of the station.

ddes

March 14th, 2008, 03:39 PM

More progress has been made at Bishan's new southbound platform. Full PSDs have now extended to the 3rd carriage, and half completed PSDs (doors) only are also being progressively installed.

Short graphic of Kim Chuan Depot on today's ST Home section.

^tamago^

March 14th, 2008, 09:31 PM

http://i25.tinypic.com/xm8umw.png (http://i31.tinypic.com/8xliyg.jpg)

kurakura

March 16th, 2008, 01:07 AM

http://i25.tinypic.com/xm8umw.png (http://i31.tinypic.com/8xliyg.jpg)

going to be 2nd biggest in the world soon when the one in woodlands is completed:lol:

so CCL trains will roll out either from bartley or taiseng. so these 2 stations will have the earliest start and end of services.
that also explains the reason they can only open stage 3 lst.

ddes

March 16th, 2008, 11:50 AM

How do you guys grab these things from the ST? Hahaa.

I think we're going to get a sneak peak soon of Esplanade station. Looking at the F1 route, and the seating area, the organizers would be dumb not to use it to move people or alleviate the expected heavy traffic.

kurakura

March 16th, 2008, 01:17 PM

oahiyeel

March 16th, 2008, 06:06 PM

well, they would be dumb not to use it, but there's nothing much they can do if the LTA doesn't allow them to. haha :D

mrtfreak

March 16th, 2008, 06:33 PM

Well, I thought I did see signs saying that it would be opened from City Link to Suntec but I can't be too sure. So we shall see I suppose.

Andrew

March 17th, 2008, 01:10 AM

We cannot rule trams out. Eventually, in future, modern trams would be making first appearance in Singapore after the last ones were seen in Singapore in 1927.
I didn't know Singapore used to have trams so when I read that I looked them up on google and found this website:

http://searail.mymalaya.com/Trams/trams.htm

They don't allow hotlinking of the pics, but it's worth a look at the page, especially the route map, very interesting.

I think it would be excellent to see trams back onto the streets of Singapore. Someone said that Singapore's streets weren't designed for trams... well I think this shows that in fact many of them were! I think you can also say that while much of Singapore has been designed for cars, many of the older areas were not. Perhaps a return of trams could be a viable option for some parts of the city.

ddes

March 22nd, 2008, 03:20 PM

This evening, I was awaiting my train at Chinatown station when the usual public service announcement for safety featuring a Chinese guy trying to blow up train but thwarted by 'auntie' clip on their Samsung TVs.

What interested me was the extended version.

The extended clip shows passengers evacuated a station wrapped with Sony advertisements. It was a station I had never seen before.

Could the extended version be featuring a Circle Line station? The station seems too futuristic and too modern to be anything on our current line. No, it's not Expo.

kurakura

March 23rd, 2008, 11:07 AM

ddes

March 23rd, 2008, 04:45 PM

It's possible it may be CGI but the running out from the station exit part?

It looks like one of those from Bras Basah station...

kurakura

March 24th, 2008, 04:08 PM

It's possible it may be CGI but the running out from the station exit part?

It looks like one of those from Bras Basah station...

actually bras basah station is ready a long time ago.

ddes

March 29th, 2008, 06:31 PM

Update: Bishan's NSL southbound platform's platform screen doors fully installed.

mrtfreak

April 18th, 2008, 12:58 AM

Saw new renders on LTA's site.

Dhoby Ghaut

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/dhoby_ghaut.JPG

Bras Basah

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/bras_basah.JPG

Kim Chuan Depot

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/kim_chuan.JPG

Esplanade

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/esplanade.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/esplanade_entrance.JPG

Promenade

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/promenade.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/promenade_platform.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/promenade_platform1.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/promenade_entrance.JPG

Paya Lebar

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/paya_lebar.JPG

MacPherson

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/macperson.JPG

Serangoon

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/serangoon.JPG

Bishan

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/bishan.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/bishan_external.JPG

Lorong Chuan

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/lrg_chuan.JPG

Marymount

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/marymount.JPG

Thomson

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/thomson.JPG

Farrer Road

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/farrer_road.JPG

Botanic Gardens

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/botanic_gardens.JPG

Holland Village

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/holand_village.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/holand_village1.JPG

Buona Vista

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/buona_vista.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/buona_vista1.JPG

One-North

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/one_north.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/one_north_view.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/one_north1.JPG

Kent Ridge

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/kent_ridge.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/kent_ridge_entrance.JPG

Labrador Park

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/labrador.JPG

Telok Blangah

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/telok_blangah.JPG

HarbourFront

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/harbourfront.JPG

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/harbourfront_platform.JPG

kurakura

April 18th, 2008, 01:23 AM

notice that there r more stairs than escalators in the harbourfront station.

ddes

April 18th, 2008, 06:47 AM

Some very impressive renderings. Hopefully the real thing is as magnificent.

The 2nd or 3rd (whichever way you look at it) picture of Promenade should have another platform opposite right?

heirloom

April 18th, 2008, 01:07 PM

ddes

April 18th, 2008, 04:30 PM

even if it turns out as beautiful as in the rendering, the details will 99% be not up to scratch. singapore's bugbear - poor quality contractors who dont care for details, and also tendency to save on non-frontline space eg toilets.

I hope for our sakes, you are wrong. If not I fear in-tunnel collapses complete with fatalities will be around the corner.

But the toilets. They are mostly a disgrace to toilets islandwide. I actually see cleaners cleaning MRT toilets more often than other places but yet they are still not of a certain satisfactory standard.

Can't they "outsource" toilets to nearby facilities like shopping centres or something?

oahiyeel

April 18th, 2008, 05:53 PM

why does it seem that the CCL harbourfront station only has one platform? or is it "hidden" from view?

blizzardtweaker

April 18th, 2008, 07:26 PM

i think it might only have one platform since its the terminating station... (note the redundancy in NEL's 2nd harbourfront platform that has never been used... ever)

oahiyeel

April 18th, 2008, 09:43 PM

^^that's bad. if so it would mean the "circle" may never be complete! :(

JediAlf

April 19th, 2008, 03:16 AM

i think it might only have one platform since its the terminating station... (note the redundancy in NEL's 2nd harbourfront platform that has never been used... ever)

2nd platform at NEL would eventually come into action when they increase the frequency of trains in future. Or the Government decides to add in few more station beyond NEL HarbourFront in future.

As for Circle Line Station, either they change the plans to similiar structure of Dover Station. So the other platform side is on the other side. Or the view in the drawing is blocked.

Not likely to have one side platfom for this terminating station. Plans show the Government always add in more stations after terminating stations later when time comes - example of Boon Lay extension, Marina Bay extension and soon Changi Airport extension to Terminal 4 (if the plans materialise).

The construction of CCL Marina Bay gives the idea that they may eventually add the last leg between Harbourfront and Marina Bay. :banana:

littlearea

April 19th, 2008, 04:16 AM

Some very impressive renderings. Hopefully the real thing is as magnificent.

The 2nd or 3rd (whichever way you look at it) picture of Promenade should have another platform opposite right?

The platform is for marina bay sands extention.

ddes

April 19th, 2008, 05:15 PM

SBS Transit occasionally uses the other platform at NEL's HarbourFront station at non-peak hours ironically.

As for HarbourFront, if I'm not mistaken, the platforms are stacked. (remember seeing a 2 floor example for HarbourFront in Circle Line Art In Transit... if i remember correctly)

Makes sense considering that the CCL station is between Vivo City and the NEL ticket gates, which in my opinion, is incredibly narrow to have an island platform. With automation, they could use that one platform wisely and open the lower platform when stage 6 is completed.

keil

April 20th, 2008, 10:07 PM

go to WOHA website to check out stadium station..
looks fantastic!:)

mrtfreak

April 26th, 2008, 05:25 AM

^^ Thanks for the heads up. Here are some of the pictures.

Stadium

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/Stadium1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/Stadium2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/Stadium3.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/Stadium4.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/Stadium5.jpg
*This is the picture referred to by ddes*

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/Stadium6.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/Stadium7.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/Stadium8.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/Stadium9.jpg

Bras Basah

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/BrasBasah1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/BrasBasah2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/BrasBasah3.jpg

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ETA: Added all the pictures I could find, had to rush out earlier on.

i think it might only have one platform since its the terminating station... (note the redundancy in NEL's 2nd harbourfront platform that has never been used... ever)
I remember very clearly in some of the plans HarbourFront had two platforms along with a reverse track similar to the NEL set up.

ddes

April 26th, 2008, 05:32 AM

Omg... that 2nd picture of Stadium... finally real architecture in our mrt stations...

mrtfreak

April 26th, 2008, 04:20 PM

So far, both the stations look awesome. Love the use of natural lighting in them.

spikeshamz

April 28th, 2008, 12:29 AM

Hats to the stadium station. its a gem. hope more stadions designs would be materialise. Of course one fine example is expo station as well by fosters and partners

ddes

April 28th, 2008, 04:30 PM

Hahas. Bras Basah's design is sooo like the National Museum.

While the new Circle Line stations are proving architecture marvels (in the Singaporean context), you can't discount the older station designs. I personally love Jurong East and Woodlands station designs very much.

I think if SMRT added white flash lighting at different angles at Woodlands, it would be perfect. For Jurong East, cheesy neon lights could do the trick to give the station a different character.

RafflesCity

April 28th, 2008, 04:34 PM

I like the simplistic "shell" design of Kallang :yes:

But yeah I like how some of the Circle Line stations are coming out, and I think the Bras Brasah station takes pride of place in a historical district of Singapore...

mrtfreak

April 28th, 2008, 06:02 PM

What I like about Stadium station is that the roof will be about 2 stories above you at platform level.

Seems like they've pushed the architectural design up a notch since the NEL.

Changi Airport soon won't be the only station with a bridge in it. I forgot to add in the new renders post that the caption for the Paya Lebar station was something about the "bridge". I'm assuming that this bridge will be the roof of the middle track.

The cylinder of the Eastern section's stations would have been updated for use at Pioneer and Joo Koon I suppose. Wonder how those will turn out when completed, but I do like that simple design as well. It may not be architecturally impressive like Stadium, but it as different.

mrtfreak

April 29th, 2008, 01:36 PM

Tomorrow the Esplanade station concourse opens as a pedestrian linkway between CityLink Mall and Suntec City, replacing the bridge. The bridge will be dismantled 2 May.

RafflesCity

April 29th, 2008, 02:22 PM

^^

Finally! That bridge has been a tedium and an eyesore...although they do include it in Christmas decoration plans :lol:

ddes

April 29th, 2008, 03:00 PM

Omg...

It will be the first glimpses of the hugely delayed Circle Line...

JediAlf

April 29th, 2008, 03:03 PM

All Stage 1 stations except Nicoll Highway are finished. Tracks already laid. Electricity already laid. All waiting for trains to roll in.

If not for Nicoll Highway collapse, all stations would have trains rolling already this year....sigh

mrtfreak

April 29th, 2008, 03:54 PM

Omg...

It will be the first glimpses of the hugely delayed Circle Line...
Yup. And it'll be the first with public access. I thought this was supposed to have been ready on 1st April. So after coming back from Australia I expected this to be ready but saw on the boards it'll be open tomorrow when I was there today. Signage is already up with the station name sign outside Suntec reading "Underpass to CityLink Mall" instead and the rest of the name signs covered up in black plastic.

All Stage 1 stations except Nicoll Highway are finished. Tracks already laid. Electricity already laid. All waiting for trains to roll in.

If not for Nicoll Highway collapse, all stations would have trains rolling already this year....sigh
Heh, if there hadn't been the collapse, we might not have had the Downtown Line but instead a longer Eastern Region Line and a Bukit Timah Line.

kurakura

April 30th, 2008, 01:28 AM

Heh, if there hadn't been the collapse, we might not have had the Downtown Line but instead a longer Eastern Region Line and a Bukit Timah Line.

r u sure? :nuts:

JediAlf

April 30th, 2008, 02:18 AM

r u sure? :nuts:

The first announcement of Bukit Timah Region Line and Eastern Region Line was made in 2001 during opening of Dover Station.

Fast forwarded to year 2004. Nicoll Highway collapsed. It apparently crashed the plans of BTRL and ERL with changes in alignment of new Nicoll Highway station site.

So Downtown Line was created in 2007 to combine both almost entire of original BTRL with extension to Chinatown (which was found in original Marina Line plan) and parts of ERL.

Tanjong Pagar MRT station was marked as an interchange in the Marina Line plan. The field above this station remains untouched - it sends a very very good signal that it would soon become interchange. Most likely line is CCL that connects to Harboufront from Marina Bay. Those residents staying around this station stand to benefit alot!

This year, ERL and Thomson Line were announced as part of LTA Transport Review. Surely they will review these lines again.

So plans always get twisted and reviewed again.

mrtfreak

April 30th, 2008, 04:16 AM

Originally Nicoll Highway was supposed to have been a stacked station as well. Then the collapse happened and they announced that the station which would have had provision for a future line would no longer have that incorporated to speed up the building process I suppose. Or for safety reasons.

So it was assumed that the original terminus of the BTL would have been Nicoll Highway and that the ERL would be what is now DTL 1, DTL 3 and the new ERL as it was announced as an oblong loop in the Eastern Region.

JediAlf

April 30th, 2008, 07:18 AM

kurakura

April 30th, 2008, 12:18 PM

Tomorrow the Esplanade station concourse opens as a pedestrian linkway between CityLink Mall and Suntec City, replacing the bridge. The bridge will be dismantled 2 May.

tested the linkway today:) interesting escalators!

can catch a glimpse of the lower platforms.

kenmin

April 30th, 2008, 12:56 PM

RafflesCity

April 30th, 2008, 05:35 PM

Underpass linking City Hall MRT to Suntec City Mall opens to public

30 Apr 08

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/imagegallery/store/phptNC4Po.jpg

SINGAPORE: An underground public walkway connecting One Raffles Link to Suntec City Mall is now open once again.

And from now till 4 May, Suntec City Mall is giving away free coffee, chocolates and sweets to pedestrians to mark the reopening of the underpass.

The public can also look forward to music and line dancing performances every weekend in the month of May.

The underpass, which is part of the CityLink Mall, had been closed since 2003 to facilitate the construction of the Circle Line MRT system. During that period, pedestrians used a temporary overhead bridge to get to the Suntec City Mall and the Convention Centre.

Come 2010, the underpass will also serve commuters using the Esplanade MRT station, which is situated along the Circle Line. - CNA/vm

mrtfreak

April 30th, 2008, 05:49 PM

A future line doesn't mean it's BTL. it has to make a sharp turn from Bugis to Nicoll Highway. I think the station was actually part of art centre line.
Yes, that's true. But neither can be confirmed which was why I said it was assumed that Nicoll Highway was the former terminus and not it was a fact that Nicoll Highway was the terminus. :)

kenmin

May 1st, 2008, 09:23 AM

Yes, that's true. But neither can be confirmed which was why I said it was assumed that Nicoll Highway was the former terminus and not it was a fact that Nicoll Highway was the terminus. :)

yes, but I don't think the reconfiguration was due to the collapse but due to the fact that the then minister of transport wasn't convinced that the southern portion of ERL should be given the green light.

ddes

May 1st, 2008, 05:13 PM

Nicoll Highway was not originally meant to be a stacked platform station, I remember reading this forum years ago before I joined and I remember plans were for an L-shape station, ala Chinatown.

Wasn't it a fact that initial plans showed a Nicoll Highway terminus for the BTL?

Anyway, LTA and even SMRT seem hard up for a mid 2009 opening of the Bartley to Marymount sector. Are things even done for a mid 2009 opening? I do wish for a mid 2009 opening but it seems a little rushing and testing hasn't even begun yet. If I'm not wrong, SBST took a pretty darn long time to test the systems.

mrtfreak

May 1st, 2008, 06:49 PM

yes, but I don't think the reconfiguration was due to the collapse but due to the fact that the then minister of transport wasn't convinced that the southern portion of ERL should be given the green light.Oh. I don't know about any ministerial element in it, but I had heard that Nicoll Highway might have been the terminus. That's all there is to my side.

Nicoll Highway was not originally meant to be a stacked platform station, I remember reading this forum years ago before I joined and I remember plans were for an L-shape station, ala Chinatown.

Wasn't it a fact that initial plans showed a Nicoll Highway terminus for the BTL?

Anyway, LTA and even SMRT seem hard up for a mid 2009 opening of the Bartley to Marymount sector. Are things even done for a mid 2009 opening? I do wish for a mid 2009 opening but it seems a little rushing and testing hasn't even begun yet. If I'm not wrong, SBST took a pretty darn long time to test the systems.
I can't remember who exactly was testing, but can recall the opening being pushed back from October to April to June or something like that. Hopefully since the CCL runs on the same system as NEL, LTA will be able to get things up faster than they did with NEL.

Uhm, has anyone seen any pictures of the new underpass?

sandstorm6299

May 1st, 2008, 07:17 PM

I'm surprised no one has pictures of the re-opened underpass - the station side of course... is there actually anything to see, or is the station completely blocked off?

JediAlf

May 2nd, 2008, 02:04 AM

Anyway, LTA and even SMRT seem hard up for a mid 2009 opening of the Bartley to Marymount sector. Are things even done for a mid 2009 opening? I do wish for a mid 2009 opening but it seems a little rushing and testing hasn't even begun yet. If I'm not wrong, SBST took a pretty darn long time to test the systems.

SBS Transit took longer because automation was pioneer in this project. So all problems already ironed out during entire operation. Similiar template of automation systems can be applied to Circle Line so they can open Circle Line faster. Same for Downtown Line and other new lines...

Both CCL and NEL are done by Alstom. So easier...

Bartley-Marymount sector - entire section would be ready by November 2008. In time for tentative June 2009. Once things go well, they may open earlier than this.

Testing already begun long ago with trains running.

found

May 2nd, 2008, 07:01 AM

The station is completely blocked off, and the underpass is just a plain gray route with many short escalators

ddes

May 3rd, 2008, 06:45 PM

JediAlf

May 4th, 2008, 02:15 AM

I went by the underpass today. I actually didn't expect the station to be so deep. I know behind the shutters is the actual station but I wonder where that scary long escalators lead down to if it's not the station... We can only speculate.

And what's with the escalators with 'wheels' at the end?

Two shutter doors. One is obviously entrance to MRT station due to LED display above. The other one, I think leads to Raffles City - another mall...

kurakura

May 4th, 2008, 05:05 AM

Two shutter doors. One is obviously entrance to MRT station due to LED display above. The other one, I think leads to Raffles City - another mall...

i think the other one leads to the entrance at the war memorial.

ddes

May 4th, 2008, 06:33 AM

Yes there 2 shutter doors, those I know. But I'm wondering where the escalators beside those from Citilink Mall go to... And bear in mind, they go down incredibly deep.

JediAlf

May 4th, 2008, 06:53 AM

Yes there 2 shutter doors, those I know. But I'm wondering where the escalators beside those from Citilink Mall go to... And bear in mind, they go down incredibly deep.

To the train platform obviously. If the one with shutter door leads u to station concourse, so the escalators going down will lead u to the platform. :)

ddes

May 4th, 2008, 07:02 AM

oahiyeel

May 4th, 2008, 08:36 AM

^^ well, i won't be surprised. they would want to make modifications to the current platform as well; building the wall, renovations etc... have they started building the escalators from the current platform to the new ccl platforms?

JediAlf

May 4th, 2008, 10:17 AM

Without going through ticket gates?

Was surprised to see that Bishan's southbound NSL station interior is almost done. And it appears that they are blocking the Circle Line escalators which may mean they plan to open the new platform soon?

Gates would be placed near the bottom of escalators for Esplanade Station. :)

Bishan CCL station would open in 2009. By November 2008 - all stations between Bishan and Serangoon would be ready.

All connecting walkway links between Bishan and Serangoon stations should be finished already.

JediAlf

May 4th, 2008, 10:22 AM

Stage 3 of Circle Line set for Nov completion

By Christopher Tan, Senior Correspondent, 23 April 2008

CONSTRUCTION of Stage 3 of the MRT Circle Line - a 5km, five-stop section linking Bartley and Marymount - will be completed as early as November.

The section, which will open for service in June next year, has entered a 'testing and commissioning' phase. This involves putting the system and infrastructure through tests and dry runs before it is handed over to the operator for trial runs.

Operator SMRT Corp said that it is assisting the Land Transport Authority (LTA) in the testing and commissioning, and 'progress has been good'.

Its spokesman added that the company was already running and maintaining the Kim Chuan Depot, where the Circle Line's driverless trains are parked. The depot is also the site of the line's operations control centre.

About 140 people have so far been hired, specifically for Stage 3 of the line and the Kim Chuan Depot, the spokesman said.

The Straits Times understands that the station nearest completion is Serangoon, an interchange station which joins a North-East Line station of the same name.

This station has the longest travellators in the entire MRT network. At 73m, they are about 20m longer than those in the Dhoby Ghaut interchange and the Changi Airport station, said the LTA.

Although Circle Line Stage 3 has only five stops - Marymount, Bishan, Lorong Chuan, Serangoon and Bartley - it is expected to be a boon to residents in the area.

For instance, those living in Serangoon will take only 25 minutes to get to Yishun if they change trains at Bishan, also an interchange station.

The alternative is to take a 45-minute bus ride or take the North-East Line to Dhoby Ghaut before transferring to the North-South Line.

Residents can also look forward to a new transport hub coming up at the Serangoon station. Like those in Toa Payoh and Ang Mo Kio, the Serangoon station will be connected to a bus interchange, so transfers from bus to train or vice versa can be done in air-conditioned comfort.

Property investment group Pramerica, which is planning a mega mall on 269,180 sq ft of land above the Serangoon station, is building the transport hub.

While things seem to be on track at Stage 3, sources said contractors and the LTA are still working to resolve the budget overruns triggered by the escalating cost of raw materials like concrete and steel.

'Prices are rising practically every month,'' an industry source said.

High-tensile steel, for instance, is now close to $1,400 per tonne, up from $1,235 in January and $753 in January last year.

Already, one contractor, Sweden's NCC International, is embroiled in a legal tussle with the LTA over stalled Circle Line works.

Last year, when NCC stopped work at the Tai Seng and MacPherson stations, the LTA had to appoint local firm Chye Joo Construction to finish the project.

Both parties have opted for arbitration, a closed-door court process, to settle the dispute over costs. It is believed to be the LTA's first arbitration case in over 20 years.

The process has not started because NCC is fighting to have foreign arbiters appointed, sources said.

mrtfreak

May 4th, 2008, 01:11 PM

Gates would be placed near the bottom of escalators for Esplanade Station. :)

Bishan CCL station would open in 2009. By November 2009 - all stations between Bishan and Serangoon would be ready.

All connecting walkway links between Bishan and Serangoon stations should be finished already.
You mean by November this year or by November next year? And so only Marymount to Bartley will be operational then? Seems like Tai Seng is just like a white horse then.

JediAlf

May 4th, 2008, 01:26 PM

You mean by November this year or by November next year? And so only Marymount to Bartley will be operational then? Seems like Tai Seng is just like a white horse then.

Typo error - Nov 2008.

JediAlf

May 4th, 2008, 01:28 PM

Marymount and Tai Seng may also open together as remaining works are being done by other contractor.

ddes

May 4th, 2008, 02:48 PM

So as a run through, CCL1 stations are completed except Nicoll Highway, CCL2's aren't ready and CCL3 are completing soon?

mrtfreak

May 4th, 2008, 03:05 PM

Cool. Would be good if there were more than just 5 stations operational. But looking at MacPherson, doesn't seem like it can make the cut as is. Tai Seng has no sign of any contractual work happening exterior-wise.

I think that should be right, most of the stations are done in CCL1 with the exception of Nicoll Highway. The entrances haven't come up yet for the station.

CCL2 seems to be lagging behind. Paya Lebar is getting there structurally. I think they're done with the station roof slab now and are doing up the entrances and connections to the EWL station. MacPherson's entrance 1 (I think) is coming up quite quickly. Cladding is almost complete. The entrance outside the ITE is having the covered walkway done up now while there is a fair bit of scaffolding around it. And the exit next to the NPC seems to have its concrete structure done. Things like piping, electricals and such still need to be installed.

CCL3 is getting there. Last time I passed by Marymount they seemed to be tidying up somewhat.

kurakura

May 5th, 2008, 04:07 AM

13 months to go for CCL3. somehow i feel the rest of the line will not be able to make it b4 2012.

mrtfreak

May 5th, 2008, 05:46 AM

Why not? CCL 1 and 2 will be able to open by 2010. Its just stages 4 and 5 that may open around 2011 or 2012. A lot of the progress can't be seen as it happens mostly underground, but it is getting there for sure. On stages 4 and 5, One-North and HarbourFront stations have already been structurally completed mostly. And the others are coming along. Telok Blangah especially, the rate of construction seems really quick at the station site. If I'm not wrong, the last time I passed, it seemed as though they were working on the roof slab. Whether it was construction by the top-down method or the bottom-up method I'm not too sure though.

Aranho

May 5th, 2008, 07:09 AM

the last time i visited shunfu/marymount area (last month), most, if not all, of the diverted roads have been diverted back to its original placement. currently, non-safety barrier (those orange/red and white barrier) are used for road dividers. a pedestrian overhead bridge's supports and walkways are near to completion. the station entrance seems to be ready. placements of traffic lights are still temporary. so, base on these judgements, marymount is all set to open after testing are done.

for mountbatten stn (last visited on around nov/dec last year), works doesn't seems to be completed. roads are still being paved with those steel-like plates (you know what i mean). roads still being diverted. it doesn't looks like it's ready for testing any soon. but that's half a year ago. i wonder how is it now.

The section, which will open for service in June next year, has entered a 'testing and commissioning' phase. This involves putting the system and infrastructure through tests and dry runs before it is handed over to the operator for trial runs.

i hope this open on 1st june. it's my birthday on that day.

it seems like june is the opening date for mrt lines since the opening of NEL in 2003, which was also opened in june.

JediAlf

May 5th, 2008, 08:41 AM

13 months to go for CCL3. somehow i feel the rest of the line will not be able to make it b4 2012.

CCL 4 and 5 station structures would be finished by 2010. These stations are already at platform levels. Entire tunnelling is already completed this year.

CCL 1 and CCL 2 will be ready soon for operation in late 2009 or early 2010 with trains to bypass affected stations so that contractors can finish the remaining touches.

ddes

May 5th, 2008, 02:40 PM

I'm remember SMRT and transport minister saying very recently that the CCL will still finish in 2010/2011. Then the opening up of CCL3 in 2009 was a surprise because I'm quite sure the original deadline for the opening of CCL3 is on pretty much on time.

When they announced the Thomson Line, they mentioned that Thomson station will be built into a fully built unused station instead of a shell... Wouldn't this affect construction? And has this contract been modified and being built?

mrtfreak

May 5th, 2008, 03:15 PM

^^ Uhm, not exactly. Thomson station will be opened along with the rest of the CCL stages 4 and 5 stations. Not too sure what exactly they mean by stations just being a shell, but I suppose that they have sufficient time between now and 2011 to change things.

oahiyeel

May 5th, 2008, 03:26 PM

When they announced the Thomson Line, they mentioned that Thomson station will be built into a fully built unused station instead of a shell...

where/when did they announce this?

JediAlf

May 5th, 2008, 05:00 PM

where/when did they announce this?

During the revelation of Transport review, the minister announced that stations that were supposed to be closed and LTA is in process to fit these shell stations.

"22 Other than bringing forward CCL 3, we will also open more stations on the Circle Line. This will enhance the reach and connectivity of the Circle Line, and allow many more people to benefit from the MRT. We had earlier decided to build the Thomson and West Coast stations as shell stations and fit them out only when there are sufficient developments around them. As the pace of development around these stations is picking up, LTA will now fit out these stations and open them together with the other CCL stations. To enhance the accessibility of the Marina Bay area to the rest of the island, LTA will also build and open the Marina Bay station as part of the CCL extension beyond Bayfront station in 2012. "

You can find this in http://app.mot.gov.sg/data/s_08_01_25.htm

JediAlf

May 5th, 2008, 05:04 PM

When they announced the Thomson Line, they mentioned that Thomson station will be built into a fully built unused station instead of a shell... Wouldn't this affect construction? And has this contract been modified and being built?

No changes. Thomson CCL station will open. Following by construction Thomson Line station next to this CCL station.

oahiyeel

May 5th, 2008, 06:47 PM

JediAlf

May 6th, 2008, 01:10 AM

Oh, confused myself here.. :nuts:

Was it mentioned anywhere that thomson ccl station will interchange with thomson line? (yeah i know, sounds like a damn stupid question, but they havent announced any interchange stations yet right?)

It was based on common sense. Below is the copy of the Year 2020 rail network by LTA. Look at the point where Circle Line and Thomson Line intersect. So this intersecting point falls in Thomson area.

Clues: Thomson Line will pass through Kim Seng (Toa Payoh), Thomson, Sin Ming (Bishan), Kebun Baru (Ang Mo Kio) and Woodlands.

http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/pdf/20080125/Rail%20Network%202020.pdf

And compare with this LTA's official Circle Line map.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1to5-loc.pdf

Look at the shape where CCL and Thomson Line intersects. This is how we arrive at the conclusion that Thomson station will be interchange for Thomson Line and CCL. Simplest clue was that the name of "Thomson" but may be weak explanation. Strongest evidence is in the map.

Nov

May 6th, 2008, 01:54 AM

You can't [img] a pdf...

ddes

May 6th, 2008, 06:03 PM

JediAlf

May 7th, 2008, 12:56 AM

Actually, I'm not assuming that CCL Thomson will be interchange for Thomson Line.

It was actually implied when TSL was launched. Because I remb Raymond Lim saying that Thomson station would be built instead of leaving it as a shell station for the TSL.

Raymond and LTA clearly did not state that it was for TSL. What he meant was - build Thomson Station as a shell station on CCL originally so the station would not open to the public - just an empty shell - trains would bypass. Then they would do fittings to this shell when time comes. West Coast and Thomson were singled out to be shell stations from day they started construction on CCL Phase 4 and 5.

With development surrounding this station picking up, LTA decided to re-review and get the contractors to add in station fittings to the shell station. Same for West Coast station. So both stations would open to public together with other CCL stations.

As for Thomson Station, they would have provisions for new line, similiar to NEL Chinatown which has already provisions for new line, known as DTL.

This also indicates they already planned long time ago. LTA has already roughly planned few new lines at the time of NEL construction. They also have decided which stations to have provisions for new lines.

redstone

May 7th, 2008, 04:42 PM

When would first trains run for service?

JediAlf

May 7th, 2008, 05:51 PM

When would first trains run for service?

For CCL Stage 3 - estimated date: Mid 2009.

AK47

May 10th, 2008, 09:00 AM

It was based on common sense. Below is the copy of the Year 2020 rail network by LTA. Look at the point where Circle Line and Thomson Line intersect. So this intersecting point falls in Thomson area.

Clues: Thomson Line will pass through Kim Seng (Toa Payoh), Thomson, Sin Ming (Bishan), Kebun Baru (Ang Mo Kio) and Woodlands.

http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/pdf/20080125/Rail%20Network%202020.pdf

And compare with this LTA's official Circle Line map.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/ccl1to5-loc.pdf

Look at the shape where CCL and Thomson Line intersects. This is how we arrive at the conclusion that Thomson station will be interchange for Thomson Line and CCL. Simplest clue was that the name of "Thomson" but may be weak explanation. Strongest evidence is in the map.

Kim Seng is Great World City not Toa Payoh....

Toa Payoh is Kim Keat......

JediAlf

May 10th, 2008, 09:40 AM

Kim Seng is Great World City not Toa Payoh....

Toa Payoh is Kim Keat......

Thanks for the correction. Error on my side.

Kim Seng -> also around in River Valley area.

ddes

May 10th, 2008, 05:38 PM

Question: What is taking Nicoll Highway so long to complete? I passed by the station site today and it looks relatively unchanged compared with the last time I saw it.

NSL Bishan's southbound platform looks like its almost ready for passenger service. Just need alittle cleanup, touchup, cover a few things and add a few signs.

Regarding the TSL map, it looks as if it will interchange with Orchard too, which makes total sense if not it won't be a viable alternative to the NSL.

^tamago^

May 10th, 2008, 06:23 PM

Piling? Or top-down exacavation works?

Nov

May 11th, 2008, 02:09 AM

Regarding the TSL map, it looks as if it will interchange with Orchard too, which makes total sense if not it won't be a viable alternative to the NSL.I agree about the part that it won't be a viable alternative to the NSL if it doesn't interchange at Orchard.

special.april

May 11th, 2008, 05:16 PM

I wonder how new CCL station connect with EWL station. For example, at interchange one is an underground station and another is an elevated station. How thay connect the paid-area together? Or the passenger have to get out from one station before enter to another station.

Nov

May 11th, 2008, 05:30 PM

well, there are sketches of Paya Lebar station out there already - there will be an escalator leading from the underground CCL to the above ground portion. I'm sure someone will repost a picture of it soon.

mrtfreak

May 12th, 2008, 05:37 AM

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/whataprob/Rail/ccl2_pl_map.gif

Shows all the links in the stations.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/images/grn_ccl2_payalebar.jpg

Buona Vista will have a similar layout. However, the glass part you see sticking out in the above image will be for lift access for BNV and not for CCL-transfers. Instead, the Eastern end of the station used to have an open atrium that looked down onto the escalators up to the concourse. This has been demolished for the installment of escalators to the transfer level. From there, they can transfer to the CCL station.

Looking at the renders, I think it will sort of be something like....

L4 - EWL Platforms
L3 - Concourse: Ticket machines and gates to EWL
L2 - CCL transfer
L1 - EWL entrance, CCL entrance

oahiyeel

May 12th, 2008, 06:31 PM

^^ Link 1 is most probably the "unpaid area" link, and Link 2 the "paid area" link...

JediAlf

May 18th, 2008, 03:18 AM

Roads of Stadium Boulevard are already restored and back in operational to the traffic.

The site of Mountbatten Station is still being ongoing with visibility of cranes. But they would finish the works soon.

mrtfreak

May 18th, 2008, 06:36 PM

MacPherson ITE entrance is having its glass windows installed. New bus stop for the entrance will also soon be up.

ddes

May 19th, 2008, 04:30 PM

Don't know if its posted but Bishan's existing southbound NSL platform has metal thingys hanging from the ceiling, reaching till the height of the windows. I guess they are getting ready to board up the platform.

Also, the NSL ticket concourse at Bishan have been re-aligned. Passengers now exit and enter from the north and south of the station.

mrtfreak

May 20th, 2008, 05:38 AM

I didn't notice anything on the northbound platform. Have they started the prep works for the PSDs yet? Southbound platform's basic structure with the PSDs are there, but a lot of interior works to be done it seems. Getting there though. They're gonna complete everything by year's end right?

ddes

May 20th, 2008, 07:07 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if NSL southbound platform opens in coming months.

They will have to.

The platform can be quite a squeeze now that SMRT likes to make both trains arrive around the same time.

The longer they delay opening the southbound platform, the longer they delay on fitting the PSDs on the northbound platform, the longer the delay on the northbound NSL to Circle Line underground link, the longer they delay in installing the air-condition vents.

bennyboy777

May 24th, 2008, 05:15 AM

mrtfreak

May 24th, 2008, 05:26 AM

Nope, the Circle line will only accomodate 3-car trains instead of the former 6-car formations. I think this is largely due to land constraints and geography as well. Some areas where the Circle line passes by are highly built up or have very tight corners which "stunts" platform length (eg. Holland Village, Labrador Park). And perhaps the LTA feels its more economical this way?

ddes

May 24th, 2008, 07:02 AM

Has anyone seen the track layout on the Masterplan 2008 for the CCL? It's gonna be like a roller-coaster ride on some sectors...

Nov

May 24th, 2008, 07:12 AM

Masterplan 2008: http://www.ura.gov.sg/DMP2008/home.htm for those too lazy to get the link.

mrtfreak

May 24th, 2008, 06:11 PM

Has anyone seen the track layout on the Masterplan 2008 for the CCL? It's gonna be like a roller-coaster ride on some sectors...
Which sectors would these be?

ddes

May 24th, 2008, 07:09 PM

A few almost 90 degree turns, Bishan- Marymount, Dakota- Paya Lebar, Thomson- Bukit Brown in relative to their distances.

oahiyeel

May 24th, 2008, 08:53 PM

why does it seem that the CCL harbourfront station only has one platform? or is it "hidden" from view?

sometime ago, i asked that question ^^ .. From what i see from the masterplan 2008, it seems like there is indeed only 1 platform for the CCL hbf station...

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1196/hbfcn7.jpg

kurakura

May 24th, 2008, 11:45 PM

By Tracy Sua

The road subsidence occurred above the tunnel boring machine where tunnelling works for the MRT Circle Line were being carried out. -- ST

SOMETIMES tremors could be felt by residents as train line tunnelling works were carried out in the neighbourhood of Cornwall Gardens Road which is off Holland Road.
Then this morning, residents awoke to a gaping hole in the road.

At 8m by 7m, which is about the size of an HDB flat's room, the hole was 3m deep.

The Land Transport Authority (LTA) said it happened at about 4.45am and occured above the tunnel boring machine where tunnelling works for Circle Line 4 had been carried out.

The hole was just outside the driveway of one home and LTA is arranging accomodation for the family for a couple of days and have also provided them with a family car.

By around 3pm, the hole was nearly patched up already, with authorities filling the crater with sand.

One resident in the area who only wanted to be known as Mrs Goh had been living in the area for the last six years.

About 1 to 2 months ago, she says tunnelling works had been carried out in the area.

LTA had installed devices in several places in her compound then and monitored it everyday, she was unsure what devices they were but understood it was to monitor the ground.

A tent was even stationed outside her home and a staff was stationed there twenty-four hours everyday.

The homemaker says her son could feel tremors and her windows would rattle as well.

Worried about possible cracking windows or walls, she raised her concerns to LTA but they told her it was safe.

When she learnt about the hole in the road this morning she told her husband: 'I'm so glad that the tunnelling has passed our home and it was not outside our home.'

Cornwall Gardens Road had been temporarily closed to traffic for repair works and the authority has advised the public to avoid the road.

The authority said in a statement that they apologise for any inconvenience caused to motorists and residents in the area.

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so now we know the tunneling has almost reached holland village.

will this incident further delay the already snail pace progress?

JediAlf

May 25th, 2008, 01:47 AM

sometime ago, i asked that question ^^ .. From what i see from the masterplan 2008, it seems like there is indeed only 1 platform for the CCL hbf station...

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1196/hbfcn7.jpg

Interesting part is that if you look to the western area beyond Harbourfront - you would notice there are two tracks from CCL. But one of its track goes into NEL station!

Tracks go beyond in eastern area - shows only one coming from CCL. Two from NEL towards Outram Park.

Again, the drawing is open to speculation. At LTA board outside NEL station into Harbourfront Centre, the board does show CCL Station with two platforms next to NEL station with two platforms.

:)

Nov

May 25th, 2008, 03:30 AM

I thought the Harbourfront station was stacked?

JediAlf

May 25th, 2008, 04:20 AM

I thought the Harbourfront station was stacked?

There are many clues indicating this interchange is not stacked.

We won't see anybody digging out at NEL platforms to build stairway or escalator below.

We only see the alteration to the concourse gates which moved to the sides and the wall being knocked down at concourse level to make way for entrance to CCL station which was actually built behind the wall (this is where we always see vending machines and the maps are located at concourse level).

So the CCL station is actually next to NEL station. Already shown at the board of LTA plan for CCL Harbourfront...

mrtfreak

May 25th, 2008, 04:33 AM

That is, unless one of the platforms actually lies under one of the NEL platforms. And we also know that the CCL HarbourFront station is mostly done with the exception for the alteration at concourse level. But we might as well just wait and see.

Seems like the Circle Line hits fault after fault so many times.

@ddes: Ah, I see. Get what you mean now. I only hope that they don't go too fast around those corners. The westbound trains approaching Clementi really rock quite a bit and its easy to lose one's balance then.

JediAlf

May 25th, 2008, 04:41 AM

I am from Perth Australia but I have been on the Singapore MRT and I think it is fantastic. I just wanted to ask one question. Why is the circle line only going to have 3 car trains and are the platforms going to be long enough to accommodate 6 car trains in the future? I just think 3 car trains in Singapore seems a bit shortsighted (even Perth has some train services being 6 car trains).

Circle Line, Downtown Line are classified as medium line which requires smaller stations and smaller train capacity but higher frequencies during peak hours, going through much of less dense areas as well as busy town centres such as Bishan, Serangoon, Jurong East, Buona Vista etc where interchanges are being built at.

Another reasons - space constraints along the route where the line is passing through built up residential / commercial areas where there are limited spaces.

These lines are designed to relieve the congestions on heavy lines - NEL, NSL, EWL which are primarily designed to cater to transporting masses of commuters quickly.

If not for Nicoll Highway collapse, we would have train rolling in Stage 1, 2 and 3 this year.

Like the heart in human being, you have main artery and many vessel lines.

So picture NEL, NSL, EWL as artery lines. City is the heart where all lines meet there/intersect.

Followed by vessel lines - Downtown Line, Circle Line, Eastern Line, Thomson Line.

:)

sandstorm6299

May 25th, 2008, 05:07 AM

Maybe HarbourFront is stacked, but in a stepped fashion? So CCL platforms are under NEL platforms but are offset by half a platform's width? Another way to think about it is that right under the NEL platform is one of the CCL tracks. In this formation, it is impossible to link the two platforms.

This could also explain why the CCL portion of the station looks so "small" - because half of it is underneath the NEL portion.

keil

May 25th, 2008, 12:55 PM

Road above Circle Line construction site caves in
By CNA/938LIVE | Posted: 24 May 2008 2045 hrs

SINGAPORE: A section of the road above a Circle Line construction site near Holland Road caved in on Saturday morning, creating a massive hole.

The hole, directly in front of two private houses along Cornwall Gardens Road, measured 8 by 7 metres and is 3 metres deep.

No one was injured but the road is temporarily closed to traffic.

According to the Land Transport Authority, tunnelling work about 25 metres under the road was in progress when it caved in. The tunnelling work is part of the last few stages of the Circle Line construction in the area, between Holland and Farrer Road stations.

LTA engineers and contractors have assessed the situation there and they confirmed that there is no risk to residents in the area. But LTA advises the public to avoid the road. Work is underway to fill up the hole and LTA is monitoring the situation.

LTA apologises for any inconvenience caused to motorists and residents in the Cornwall Gardens area.

One family, whose house is right in front of the cave-in, said they noticed a huge crack at about 8.30pm on Friday before that section of the road collapsed at about 5am the next day.

"This morning (when) I woke up... my little brother and I went out to look and there was a huge hole in the road about 20 feet long and maybe 10 feet wide and it is filled with water," said 14-year-old Eliot Sperling.

Eliot and his brother, Owen, said that after the incident, their water supply and Internet connection was cut off.

Three other households in the area also lost their access to cable TV and Internet as the cables were severed after the accident.

938LIVE understands it may take weeks before the cable wires can be restored.

LTA has offered one of the affected families transport and temporary hotel accommodation to minimise further inconvenience.

This is not the first time roads have caved in near tunnelling works of the Circle Line.

Last year, the Building and Construction Authority issued a stop-work order for the Telok Blangah site after a stretch of the road, about 7 metres long, sank 20 centimetres. - CNA/938LIVE.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/imagegallery/store/phptYKlES.jpg

JediAlf

May 28th, 2008, 01:42 AM

Extract from LTA website:

Relocation Of Marina Bay Station Entrance

1. To facilitate the construction of the new Circle Line Marina Bay Station and its associated tunnels, the existing entrance (Entrance A) of Marina Bay Station on the North-South Line (NSL) will be closed with effect from Wednesday, 28 May 2008.

2. A new entrance (Entrance B) will be opened and commuters accessing the station are advised to use the new footpath leading to Entrance B. Another new entrance will be built to replace Entrance A upon completion of works in 2012.

3. To minimise inconvenience, directional signs will be displayed prominently and service staff will be deployed to assist and guide commuters to the new entrance. The existing bus shelter along Marina Street has also been relocated to Marina Station Road to reduce walking distance to and from the new Entrance B.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/images/Map%20of%20Marina%20Bay%20Stn.pdf

Construction of CCL Marina Bay Station is starting soon...

kurakura

May 28th, 2008, 04:50 AM

JediAlf

May 28th, 2008, 06:08 AM

^^ that's good. but err. i dun think there is anyone who uses that station :)

actually the name can be quite misleading for tourists. i have foreign friends who though that is the best station to go to the bay area.

This station is needed to cater to people currently going to the pier in Marina South and upcoming park - Gardens by the Bay.

When the developments take shape in Marina Bay, the name of the station would be justified as above this station is "Marina Station Square" - a place for celebration and open art venue. A park in the making.

Now we have three stations in Marina Bay - Bayfront, Landmark and Marina Bay Interchange. Geographically appropriate station name - Marina Bay.

*Thanks, ddes for correcting my typo error - Bayshore.

ddes

May 28th, 2008, 11:20 AM

You mean Bayfront. Bayshore's in the east coast.

RafflesCity

May 28th, 2008, 02:48 PM

Unfortunately I've experienced what kurakura mentioned - in fact two times.

Once an Indian couple at Marina Bay MRT station asked me how they could get to Sentosa from the station as they assumed they had arrived at the right station.

Another time some Caucasian tourists alighted at Marina Bay hoping to get to the Esplanade Theatres (by the Bay).

It is sightly misleading for tourists I guess, as is Raffles Place and Raffles City Shopping Centre.

I wonder if in future people would head for 'Marina Station Square' thinking it would lead to Marina Square!

mrtfreak

May 28th, 2008, 07:18 PM

When I was much younger, I remember asking my mother to take me to Marina Bay station to see the bay. If there ever was a station in need of a name change, Marina Bay is the one.

Nov

May 29th, 2008, 01:56 AM

The problem is that it has been Marina Bay for so long... a name change might also confuse people...

kurakura

May 29th, 2008, 02:59 AM

i will be pissed if i go to New York City and Central Park station takes me to let's say a few good blocks away from it and with all the buildings around, i will have to ask for directions.

RafflesCity

May 29th, 2008, 03:08 AM

The problem is that it has been Marina Bay for so long... a name change might also confuse people...

Marina South might be more suitable.

The future Bayfront or even Landmark stations would be closer to the bay than Marina Bay.

I dont think a name change would be too hard to swallow given that I dont think many people really alight at Marina Bay station, and also because its at the end of the line (for now).

JediAlf

May 29th, 2008, 07:04 AM

Marina South might be more suitable.

The future Bayfront or even Landmark stations would be closer to the bay than Marina Bay.

I dont think a name change would be too hard to swallow given that I dont think many people really alight at Marina Bay station, and also because its at the end of the line (for now).

Station names always invite alot of debate. Bayfront and Landmark are working names - not official yet - so we would know the final confirmed names for these two station later.

No matter how we debate, the name of "Marina Bay" is already approved long long time ago. :cheers:

Marina South is not approriate replacement of station name for the current Marina Bay station - as the station is still in the boundary of Marina Bay - nearest to the MFBC - the heart of Marina Bay district which can be found on the map under Downtown Core in Draft Masterplan 2008. The name of this "Marina Bay" does make sense when you look at the map.

Marina South district is clearly drawn out in Draft Masterplan 2008 and Masterplan 2003. Straits View district is also seen in both masterplans. So we cannot simply call the existing terminal of NSL as "Marina South" when the district of Marina South is actually far away - just adjacent to marina barrage and the gardens by the bay.

Marina Bay, Marina Centre, Raffles Place, Shenton Way are all under Downtown Core.

However, the names are always subject to debates, not just Marina Bay. There are alot of station names that have drawn much debates. For example, Maxwell for Tanjong Pagar.

ddes

May 29th, 2008, 10:50 AM

I'm honestly okay with Bayfront although if rules allowed, my choice would be "Marina Bay Sands". I'm also fine with Landmark provided that 320/350m building as well as that proposed landmark thingy is as hyped up as it is.

I agree that Marina Bay SHOULD NOT be changed. For frequent NSL-users, it's hardwired into our minds already. Besides, renaming the station would essentially require a renaming of all the current projects under construction at the Landmark station area because they would then be "in the wrong place".

Nov

May 29th, 2008, 12:27 PM

I think the government should rename the Marina Bay station either:
1. when the line is extended further south
2. the opening of the CCL Marina Bay station

It might be better to use event #2 as the excuse to change the name as this will be less costly than event #1.

JediAlf

May 29th, 2008, 02:19 PM

We would still come out of Marina Bay Station and walk to the MFBC - still in Marina Bay after all. :)

By 2012 - more new skyscrapers would be already rising. No matter how we debate over the station name, I would still think "Marina Bay" is perfect name for this interchange. :banana:

It won't be long before we clap and cheer at "Marina Station Square"!

ddes

May 29th, 2008, 02:41 PM

RafflesCity

May 29th, 2008, 02:42 PM

Marina Station Square would be breathtaking in future. A complete transformation to the current station :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/RafflesCity/mss.jpg

sandstorm6299

May 29th, 2008, 02:47 PM

I agree that Marina Bay should change its name - it is nowhere with in a walking distance near Marina Bay. Perhaps a more idea name would be Marina Central? Or something around those lines that would show that it is in the centre of the Marina CBD?

JediAlf

May 29th, 2008, 04:30 PM

The Marina Bay downtown is going to be even more confusing for tourists. Imagine in future, you're at MBFC and there will be 2 different directions to the MRT and if you're absent-minded, you might end up at the wrong station. Landmark, with DTL on one side, Raffles Place with NSL/EWL if you walk slightly more in that direction, and Marina Bay with NSL/CCL in the other direction.

No need to be confused. In fact, it is good to have several stations around u.
This is the aim of our rail planners - they want to have more than 1 station around u.

It is necessary to have more stations around so that they can go to any of stations and get back easily.

This happened to me when I was in Taipei. Because I don't write or read Chinese well although I am Chinese, I would only head for MRT station as it is the way that would get me back to my hotel easily. Same when I was in Japan.

When the developments grow, it won't be so confusing already as three stations would have their own identity! Tourists would know which stations to go and which landmarks to head.

Landmark Station - besides the linear park and a taller skyscraper.

Bayfront - the Casino station.

Marina Bay - a Marina Bay square...

For us - Singaporeans - we would know which lines. For tourists and visitors - they don't bother which lines and they would want to get on train and get back to their destinations.

mrtfreak

May 29th, 2008, 07:23 PM

Just drop the "Bay" and the station would be fine. The new NSL station after Marina (Bay) could be called Cruise Centre or something else.

ddes

May 30th, 2008, 12:44 PM

Nahs. Marina is too vague.

Nov

May 30th, 2008, 01:53 PM

Marina and City?

mrtfreak

May 31st, 2008, 07:38 PM

Or at least change the "Bay" part to something like Marina West perhaps. Or something that would reflect the area better than Marina Bay which is somewhat misleading. People will get used to new names and systems, so that should be the least of worries.

ddes

June 1st, 2008, 06:29 AM

Lets face it; they're not going to change Marina Bay to anything else. To believe they'll do so is just foolish.

JediAlf

June 1st, 2008, 12:22 PM

I was passing by this station.

The concrete of this station roof is seen, signalling that they have finished tunnelling and building superstructure. Now apparently, they are working on interior and fittings inside.

Meanwhile at Kent Ridge, more stacks of rail sleepers are seen in the yard. This also signals they are laying tracks...

mrtfreak

June 1st, 2008, 01:32 PM

Lets face it; they're not going to change Marina Bay to anything else. To believe they'll do so is just foolish.
I believe you're right though I think it should be changed - its too much of an effort for them.

RafflesCity

June 1st, 2008, 05:08 PM

Not to beat a dead horse, but I believe if they want to, then they can. Nothing is impossible. ok end of topic :lol:

sandstorm6299

June 1st, 2008, 06:12 PM

JediAlf

June 2nd, 2008, 02:10 AM

They have changed station numbers and line colours before, so what's stopping them from changing the name of one station? They could always change the name when they have to update maps to include any new stations (e.g. BLE).

Station numbers and line colour do not affect the codes affixed to the stations. Numbers and colours are more for commuters than for actual operational use.

When the station names changes, the code affixed to this station name has to be changed. Meaning all SMRT manuals and training manuals have to be replaced. The codes are used in operations, same way in aviation where codes are used to represent airport and airlines.

New stations have to be confirmed their station names before going to be affixed to the codes. This is why we have station names as working names during construction. Once LTA confirmed the names, the names would be coded accordingly for operational use.

New additional stations also do not affect the coding system as they are simply additions to the list of station codes.

While we debate, we may not be aware of the constraints existed and the reasons behind not changing the station as we like.

ddes

June 2nd, 2008, 11:42 AM

As far as I can guess, the only station that will have its name 'edited' or 'modified' will be the current location of CG2 Changi Airport station.

If URA is hell-bent on calling that square "Marina Station Square", there will definitely be some confusion. And with the scale modeling, it kind of reminds me of some place like New York or Chicago.

I have to admit, "CC" is not a good line code for the Circle Line. Our more superstitious community might not take to the negative connotations of the line code. "CL" would be better.

sandstorm6299

June 2nd, 2008, 01:02 PM

Thanks Jedi for the info on that. Didn't exactly think that far.
But like ddes and many others have mentioned, there will be confusion.

Singapore is known to be a country where everything should be clear and concise, where everything is made to be convenient for all, and so on and so on. For the convenience of ten of million of trips made by locals and tourists alike, I don't see the problems in changing every single manual out there. I don't think signalling and programming will be affected much, and even if they are, it's likely just a few lines of code.

You're right, we certainly don't know the inner workings and the consequences of changing one station name, but the positives do seem to outweigh the negatives here.

Or perhaps, eventually, everyone will get used to it.

JediAlf

June 3rd, 2008, 02:37 AM

As far as I can guess, the only station that will have its name 'edited' or 'modified' will be the current location of CG2 Changi Airport station.

I have to admit, "CC" is not a good line code for the Circle Line. Our more superstitious community might not take to the negative connotations of the line code. "CL" would be better.

All expressways and MRT lines use 3 letters. Same for station codes.

KJE - Kranji Expressway
PIE - Pan-Island Expressway
SLE - Seletar Expressway

As for MRT - LTA already labelled.

CCL - Circle Line
NEL - Northeast Line
NSL - North-South Line
EWL - East-West Line
DTL - Downtown Line

Changi Airport would remain the same. There are already rail tracks under Terminal 2 - leading to future Terminal 4 which surely has a station that would have its own name.

ddes

June 3rd, 2008, 03:36 PM

JediAlf

June 3rd, 2008, 04:28 PM

You obviously are abit more rigid than our hardlined government.

Regarding the Circle Line, I was refering to the station and line code, aka, CC1. Although I must emphasize that some people may not take to the station which has the station code of "CC4", which in dialect, is very negative sounding.

It will not hurt LTA, I assure you, to give perhaps a (T1/T2/T3) beside the current Changi Airport name, no 3-letter station codes need to be changed, just a cosmetic addition. Anyway, based on gut feeling, T4 may not be named T4.

Laughing. Actually your thinking goes deeper and dissect things so much until you would be satisfied with the answer and logical reasoning in your postings. :cheers:

CC4 is just a station representation. It uses the standard numerals and symbols set by LTA. So the fact would stay even we don't like it or not.

When it comes to 4, it does freak some people out. :)

This is why SMRT NightRider does not have NR 4! They purposely skipped this - Only NR 1, NR 2, NR 3, NR 5, NR6, NR 7 and NR 8.

SBS Transit by contrast has 4N on NiteOwl services.

This is why I said the name of Changi Airport would stay the same as in standardized system. The board would display "Changi Airport with plane symbol".

But on the maps and train boards - they would definitely show (Terminal 1, 2 and 3), for sure. So everything would remain the same. Codes remain the same. Not the same case where someone suggests to drop "Bay" from Marina.

When the train reaches Changi Airport, you would definitely hear announcement something like this, "If you take flights at Terminal 1, 2 and 3, please alight at this station."

10 years later, we would know the answer if the station at Terminal 4 is indeed named not "Terminal 4".

If it does, I would smile and ask "Who is actually more rigid?".

Nov

June 4th, 2008, 03:37 AM

I was just thinking that maybe they should rename Marina Bay as something else but still keep the 3-letter code. Marina Business maybe?

mrtfreak

June 20th, 2008, 09:10 AM

Recently the pace of construction at Paya Lebar seems to have picked up somewhat. Apparently there will be 2 connections to the new station, including one from platform level. The facilities block (no idea what else to call it) on the western end of the station has been demolished and escalators will be installed there (this is the glass section extending from the platform seen in the renders). The connection to the old Exit A has its flooring done and a new lift here will bring transfer passengers down to the Circle line concourse. Escalators and stairs will also be installed here. There's an entrance opposite the East-West line station that has its escalators installed and roofing will be done soon. The lift is also being installed here currently.

MacPherson's two exits on the side of the ITE are more or less done with cladding and glass installation. The exit next to the NPC is getting done up now and the road will be fully restored soon.

Seems like the stage 2 stations are in various stages of being completed with the most completed being Tai Seng and thereafter decreasing to the least completed being Mountbatten.

kurakura

June 21st, 2008, 05:19 AM

^^ the chain is as strong as the weakest link.

mrtfreak

July 2nd, 2008, 06:14 PM

http://sgforums.com/forums/2080/topics/322790

As per 9V-SKA, projection for Circle Line operations:

July 2009: Stage 3
Bartley - Serangoon - Lorong Chuan - Bishan - Marymount
*Turn around will involve Kim Chuan depot?

End 2009/2010: Stage 2B
Tai Seng - MacPherson - Paya Lebar

2011/2012: Stages 4 & 5
Thomson - Bukit Brown - Botanic Gardens - Farrer Road - Holland Village - Buona Vista - one-north - Kent Ridge - West Coast - Pasir Panjang - Labrador Park - Telok Blangah - HarbourFront

2012/2013: Stage 1 & 2A
Dhoby Ghaut - Bras Basah - Esplanade - Promenade - Stadium - Mountbatten - Dakota

2012/2013: Circle Line Extension (CLE)*
Bayfront - Marina Bay
*As per LTA

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3875/bartleyji3.jpg

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8896/serangoonbv5.jpg

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8944/serangoon3yy3.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/5803/serangoon4kk0.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7171/serangoon5xm6.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9364/lrgchuankh4.jpg

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8823/bishanhe2.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2614/bishan2vr7.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1374/marymountkh1.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9471/entergw4.jpg

blizzardtweaker

July 2nd, 2008, 06:19 PM

hmm... i would have thought that stage 3 should be up and running by the end of this year... almost all the stations appear mostly complete?

JediAlf

July 5th, 2008, 01:35 AM

hmm... i would have thought that stage 3 should be up and running by the end of this year... almost all the stations appear mostly complete?

Provided that SMRT is satisfied with overall operation testing, SMRT may open the Stage 3 stations earlier this year instead. I do hope they do this. Judging from the photos, everything is apparently on the schedule.

As for Stage 1, provided that LTA gives green light that trains can bypass 3 stations - Nicoll Highway, Mountbatten, Dakota in 2009 or even earlier.

Tracks in Stage 1 should be already laid all way to Stage 2 with third rail.

I am sure that LTA and SMRT are trying to find solutions to get Stage 1 stations to be operational as soon as possible.

littlearea

July 6th, 2008, 04:11 AM

To prepare the singapore 2010 YOG!

kurakura

July 6th, 2008, 05:32 PM

stage 4 and 5 is far from finished. it's like a war zone here.

mrtfreak

July 6th, 2008, 05:37 PM

^^ Sounds a bit extreme to call it war zones. Heard from the guy that stages 4 and 5 are targetting mid-2011 for opening. I think that after the BPLRT and NEL experiences, they are giving more time for all systems testing before declaring stage 3 open. Also, perhaps they don't want to take any unnecessary risks?

Tai Seng station seems to be the most complete station at this point with the exit and entrance structure being fully cleaned and all lightings tested. Also, new MRT station direction signs are coming up around Upper Paya Lebar road but are being covered with black plastic. Wonder if it means anything.

ddes

July 8th, 2008, 05:09 PM

The Bishan NSL southbound platform is just about complete, fitted with signs and all. And guess what, they've put in the route map information, and it doesn't have the Circle Line map in it.

blizzardtweaker

July 8th, 2008, 06:36 PM

this means that the southbound platform will open way earlier then the CCL. The platform appears ready (even the ground floor access into the platform is complete). They have also cleaned up the station and removed the plastic protecting coverings. All thats left should be the testing and maybe the connector into Junction 8 (which is still sealed).

oahiyeel

July 8th, 2008, 06:55 PM

cool. once that is done, den they will have to start sealing up and air-condition the current platform.

ddes

July 9th, 2008, 01:59 PM

Once its complete, it means side platforms from Ang Mo Kio to Braddell!! I count AMK as side platforms for obvious reasons.

mrtfreak

July 9th, 2008, 06:25 PM

Obvious reasons?

If I'm not wrong, the new platform should be open by the end of the year. Was stated some time back.

Also, perhaps these are the two finalists for the Circle Line art seats competition? There is a contract for producing two mock ups of the seats for possible mass production and installation at selected Circle Line stations.

Matrix Art seat - http://www.gebiz.gov.sg/scripts/ssb_itq/LTA000ETQ08000429_0/Matrix_Seat.pdf?Area=OPEN&docType=TQ&docCode=281256185371267232129377173200184290312181129356370233271318361364272269

Rain Art seat - http://www.gebiz.gov.sg/scripts/ssb_itq/LTA000ETQ08000429_0/Rain_Seat.pdf?Area=OPEN&docType=TQ&docCode=281256185371267232129377173200184290312181129356370233271318361364272269