With Aerosmith Playing Camdem New jersey Sautrday the 23rd of september and the Who playing Baltimore the same day the rumoured rolling stones/ aerosmith / who show 2 thirds of the show haS NOW BEEN DEBUNGED as a rumour with little basis. At nearly two weeks since the In Camera meeting and Donald K Donald not getting the funding requested from the city it looks like the show is not going to happen .

The information for shows is confirmed on the concert industry website Pollstar which receives its info directly from act management.

link for aerosmith http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?By=Artist&Content=AERMOT&PSKey=Y
link for The Who
http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?By=Artist&Content=WHO&PSKey=Y

From the Boston Herald today it seems sources at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro Mass. Stadium sources are telling the Herald that the Stones will be playing their first show in a fall tour starting the third week of September. The stones will be playing a limited number of staduim shows in north america.
I would bet it is the 23rd or 24th of september they play and thus they will not be playing Halifax. The stones bid to have $500,000 out of Halifax city council failed and it is doubtful that the techincal rider which was a big factor in monctons cost would be picked up by the HRM council.
http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=148934

With that epidsode just about ended How does council think they will pay for a commonwealth games at two billion dollars having a frachise with absolutely no commercial value to match the costs. The Stones at 500,000 dollars worth of cost and being a sure thing was easy the 120 million minimum share the city has said it would provide for a worthless sports circus seems like council does not know what is of commerical value in the world of entertainment.




Jim jones

With Aerosmith Playing Camdem New jersey Sautrday the 23rd of september and the Who playing Baltimore the same day the rumoured rolling stones/ aerosmith / who show 2 thirds of the show haS NOW BEEN DEBUNGED as a rumour with little basis. At nearly two weeks since the In Camera meeting and Donald K Donald not getting the funding requested from the city it looks like the show is not going to happen .

The information for shows is confirmed on the concert industry website Pollstar which receives its info directly from act management.

link for aerosmith http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?By=Artist&Content=AERMOT&PSKey=Y
link for The Who
http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?By=Artist&Content=WHO&PSKey=Y

From the Boston Herald today it seems sources at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro Mass. Stadium sources are telling the Herald that the Stones will be playing their first show in a fall tour starting the third week of September. The stones will be playing a limited number of staduim shows in north america.
I would bet it is the 23rd or 24th of september they play and thus they will not be playing Halifax. The stones bid to have $500,000 out of Halifax city council failed and it is doubtful that the techincal rider which was a big factor in monctons cost would be picked up by the HRM council.
http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=148934

With that epidsode just about ended How does council think they will pay for a commonwealth games at two billion dollars having a frachise with absolutely no commercial value to match the costs. The Stones at 500,000 dollars worth of cost and being a sure thing was easy the 120 million minimum share the city has said it would provide for a worthless sports circus seems like council does not know what is of commerical value in the world of entertainment.




Jim jones

I didnt really understand that either. 500,000 is just a drop in the bucket compared to the commonwealth games cost. I mean they just spent that much to take a trip to Australia and they cant spend it on a huge concert that will bring thousands to the city? The stones at 500,000 is a much better investment than what the commonwealth games for a billion in my opinion.

Well, a concert's a one-time event whereas the Commonwealth Games will involve the construction of permanent facilities. That is really the main reason why the city is pursuing it.

Cool, maybe U2's playing instead.

Cool, maybe U2's playing instead.

Could be U2 is playing which would be more logically and probably more successful then an encore performance of the stones in the martimes copying what moncton did last year.

Pursueing white elephants that are not needed that is what the city is doing.
Anyone with half a brain would be able to tell that a Stones show is way more profitable then the commonwealth games. Fact is I have yet to hear of any 100 year plus retailers going bankrupt on Rolling Stones Merchantdize however Melbourne had that happen with the chain Melborune Sports Depot and the unsold CWG's merchantdize they had post games. Bring down a 100 year old company is quite the feat.

Jim jones

I didnt really understand that either. 500,000 is just a drop in the bucket compared to the commonwealth games cost. I mean they just spent that much to take a trip to Australia and they cant spend it on a huge concert that will bring thousands to the city? The stones at 500,000 is a much better investment than what the commonwealth games for a billion in my opinion.

Well for another time you and I are in agreement. What messed me off was that the balance of what Donald K Donald needed $ 400,000 dollars was deferred to province house. The taxpayers of the HRM would be in for 160,000 on the provincial side(with 40 percent of the population) and 100,000 on the city side . Now a little over 50 percent seems fair for the HRM ratepayers but then you are looking at everyone else in the province with no economic benefit for the 240,000 dollars. Hotel taxes and sales taxes might take care of it but if there is to be any investment by provincial taxpayers in anything in the HRM it has to be solving the water problem at the victoria general hospital. Patients that cant take showers or bath is incredible. The entire province uses the VG and that is what the provincial sales tax was originally intended for.

If the city cant afford the rolling stones promoters request for 500,000 then what will be the answer when the european sports federations start making their outrageous demands. It was 18 million for the track and field surface in melbourne alone. Thing is you have to remember wishblade the city is only paying half the expenses for the bid and the trip budget of 500,000 dollars would have only a 250,000 dolar share.

Jim jones

Cool, maybe U2's playing instead.

I just checked the U2 tour dates, and unfortunately thier playing Minneapolis September 23rd :no:

I just checked the U2 tour dates, and unfortunately thier playing Minneapolis September 23rd :no:

Gosh I didn t even think they were touring and that it might be a new leg that might start in halifax.LOL. Actually if you got that date from the U2 website it is actually last years date. They came off the roa in the spring after the Edges daughter feel gravely ill.

Jim jones

HRM has finally announced the headliners that have been secured for their big Sept. 23 Concert.
Bruce DeVenne will open with his guitar signing Irish ditties and will be followed by Bobby Curtola's Biggest fan
Bobby Curtola signing his hits of the early 60's and hitting on the 60 plus year old groupies in the audience

LOLOLOL

Jim jones

HRM has finally announced the headliners that have been secured for their big Sept. 23 Concert.
Bruce DeVenne will open with his guitar signing Irish ditties and will be followed by Bobby Curtola's Biggest fan
Bobby Curtola signing his hits of the early 60's and hitting on the 60 plus year old groupies in the audience

LOLOLOL

Jim jones

That has got to be the most pointless and random post I've ever seen lol

Not sure why another thread had to be created for this...
but did you ever think that possibly the date is approximate and not an actual date?

Not sure why another thread had to be created for this...
but did you ever think that possibly the date is approximate and not an actual date?

Well, it was stated that the 2 things that are for sure with this concert are the location at the commons, and that the date is going to be september 23rd. Unless they lied, thats the confirmed information.

Its dead already.... I think we should move on.

Its dead already.... I think we should move on.

This is just starting actually. the official word is supposed to be Tuesday on whats happening, and Moncton is even starting a petition tommorow to try to get the concert instead of Halifax.

and Moncton is even starting a petition tommorow to try to get the concert instead of Halifax.
What the heck, really? :nuts: Do you have a link?

What the heck, really? :nuts: Do you have a link?

yeah, its on C103's website, though their method of doing it seems like a Joke, these guys are actually serious: http://www.c103.com/index.asp?ObjID=1073

Moncton’s Classic Rock C103 had so much fun at last year’s Rolling Stones concert, they want to do it again! After some discussion by C103 Breakfast Club hosts Ernie Steeves and Troy (the Taiter) Tait, C103 has decided to make bringing the Rolling Stones back to Moncton a priority.

Beginning Friday July 21st, C103 will attempt to get all metro Moncton residents to sign a petition demanding the Rolling Stones return to Moncton in September. This will not be a traditional petition however, as signatures will be collected on a giant roll of toilet paper.

“Moncton has shown the world that we know how to put on an amazing rock and roll show,” says Tait “and now we’re doing our best to ‘bum’ a concert – so we’re getting signatures on toilet paper”. Residents will be able to sign the giant roll of toilet paper starting Friday morning at Moncton City Hall.

C103 believes that Moncton has shown great support to rock and classic rock concerts during the past year. Since the Rolling Stones played Magnetic Hill, Moncton residents have also shown strong support for acts such as INXS, Our Lady Peace, CCR, Steppenwolf and Foghat. C103 thinks that a grass-roots, people-first approach to bringing a concert to Moncton may go a long way to securing a second major music show at Magnetic Hill this summer.

This is just starting actually. the official word is supposed to be Tuesday on whats happening, and Moncton is even starting a petition tommorow to try to get the concert instead of Halifax.

I bet moncton gets the show. the reason being Donald K Donald not only got what he and the rolling stones needed but what they Wanted last year HEHEHEH. "You cant always get what you want"but the rolling stones always do or they dont play your city. with the crowd they had last year being the largest of that leg of the tour the stones and company would have big positives with moncton fresh in their pocket books.
Considering the stink people in the city of halifax put up about the twin towers, a completely privately financed multi decade commercial taxed property .I can see where the heritage groups will not allow a concrete slab to eliminate green space on the commons.
Unless the province kicked in the money I cant see the stones coming down in the tech rider or flipping the bill. Moncton would be logically if it was the beginning of the third week of september and then a shorter drive to foxboro for the stage lighting and sound kit to go to steel rig number two.
Regina has been given the green light it is officially a go. With Halifax not announcing and time closing in it doesnt look positive. The 23rd even for foxboro is tight for the rolling stones from end of leg to beginning as they do rehearse at the beginning of legs and usually take 30 days off in between legs in recent history. Denmark to beginning of fall north america on the 23 rd as rumoured is only 20 days .

jim jones

yeah, its on C103's website, though their method of doing it seems like a Joke, these guys are actually serious: http://www.c103.com/index.asp?ObjID=1073

Moncton’s Classic Rock C103 had so much fun at last year’s Rolling Stones concert, they want to do it again! After some discussion by C103 Breakfast Club hosts Ernie Steeves and Troy (the Taiter) Tait, C103 has decided to make bringing the Rolling Stones back to Moncton a priority.

Beginning Friday July 21st, C103 will attempt to get all metro Moncton residents to sign a petition demanding the Rolling Stones return to Moncton in September. This will not be a traditional petition however, as signatures will be collected on a giant roll of toilet paper.

“Moncton has shown the world that we know how to put on an amazing rock and roll show,” says Tait “and now we’re doing our best to ‘bum’ a concert – so we’re getting signatures on toilet paper”. Residents will be able to sign the giant roll of toilet paper starting Friday morning at Moncton City Hall.

C103 believes that Moncton has shown great support to rock and classic rock concerts during the past year. Since the Rolling Stones played Magnetic Hill, Moncton residents have also shown strong support for acts such as INXS, Our Lady Peace, CCR, Steppenwolf and Foghat. C103 thinks that a grass-roots, people-first approach to bringing a concert to Moncton may go a long way to securing a second major music show at Magnetic Hill this summer.


Well it may be unusual but it might just work. The thing is they have the track record and the facility, Halifax does not. You put the bums in seats in a facility that the stones played in and they have a greater possiblity of the band returning then a place that the council only comes up with 20 percent of what the stones anc company requested.

Jim jones

Well it may be unusual but it might just work. The thing is they have the track record and the facility, Halifax does not. You put the bums in seats in a facility that the stones played in and they have a greater possiblity of the band returning then a place that the council only comes up with 20 percent of what the stones anc company requested.

Jim jones

I respect that, magnetic hill is superior to the commons for a concert, even though I could argue the point about the track record, as Halifax has much more experience in hosting events. But in my opinion, they had the rolling stones there once, great for them, but for them to have the gull to make a petition for the rolling stones to come back to Moncton this summer, is just wrong. I guarantee that if Halifax hadn't announced that they may be playing the commons this summer, they never would have bothered with a petition. I just find Moncton to be a very arrogant city.

I respect that, magnetic hill is superior to the commons for a concert, even though I could argue the point about the track record, as Halifax has much more experience in hosting events. But in my opinion, they had the rolling stones there once, great for them, but for them to have the gull to make a petition for the rolling stones to come back to Moncton this summer, is just wrong. I guarantee that if Halifax hadn't announced that they may be playing the commons this summer, they never would have bothered with a petition. I just find Moncton to be a very arrogant city.


Oh gosh and I was getting to like you wishblade LOLOL.
The largest centre the largest ego hands down is halifax. Lets face it moncton got the jump last year , they saw that Halifax was not going to come thru with the funding and after the HRM council made the decision moncton is capitalizing bigtime for the investment they made last year.
As too holding big events in halifax well . tall ships a free bee. Junos YAWN
the world canoe championship in 1997 well i was there and did see a big deal . Buskers a revolting door of cash for the hendericksons. Brier who hasnt hosted that in canada the yukon territories ???? world juniors well that was certainly a good one that I would say ranks up there (not trying to be funny).
The so called big events that halifax hosts are like bowling tropies meanigless in the world of events and really brownie points in that world. The HRM event promoters that actually use the G8 summit make me laff. didn t canada also host a G8 summit in baniff????

As to moncton they seem to build their venues with future plans to be able to improve. IE the colusseum and the new stadium of the 2010 world juniors.
I can see a renovation and expansion coming for the colusseum where as the talk in the HRm is replacing the metro centre "say what!!!!" Terrible planning for venues which are dependance on government funding to build and maintain them and then replacement at 40 years without tearing down the older venues they replaced IE the halifax forum.

I really cant see how anyone can moan and complain that halifax isnt getting fairness. There is no need to cry unfairness when you are in competiton with a group that has its act together and you dont.
Halifax should have bid on the world juniors and held them with the eye to creating a stadium for a cfl franchise and then a possible commonwealth games bid. Putting the cart way before the horse is typical HRM and really arrogant with other peoples money in the case of the commonwealth games.

jim jones

Read the post below, I screwed this one up and double posted

Oh gosh and I was getting to like you wishblade LOLOL.
The largest centre the largest ego hands down is halifax. Lets face it moncton got the jump last year , they saw that Halifax was not going to come thru with the funding and after the HRM council made the decision moncton is capitalizing bigtime for the investment they made last year.
As too holding big events in halifax well . tall ships a free bee. Junos YAWN
the world canoe championship in 1997 well i was there and did see a big deal . Buskers a revolting door of cash for the hendericksons. Brier who hasnt hosted that in canada the yukon territories ???? world juniors well that was certainly a good one that I would say ranks up there (not trying to be funny).
The so called big events that halifax hosts are like bowling tropies meanigless in the world of events and really brownie points in that world. The HRM event promoters that actually use the G8 summit make me laff. didn t canada also host a G8 summit in baniff????

As to moncton they seem to build their venues with future plans to be able to improve. IE the colusseum and the new stadium of the 2010 world juniors.
I can see a renovation and expansion coming for the colusseum where as the talk in the HRm is replacing the metro centre "say what!!!!" Terrible planning for venues which are dependance on government funding to build and maintain them and then replacement at 40 years without tearing down the older venues they replaced IE the halifax forum.

I really cant see how anyone can moan and complain that halifax isnt getting fairness. There is no need to cry unfairness when you are in competiton with a group that has its act together and you dont.
Halifax should have bid on the world juniors and held them with the eye to creating a stadium for a cfl franchise and then a possible commonwealth games bid. Putting the cart way before the horse is typical HRM and really arrogant with other peoples money in the case of the commonwealth games.

jim jones


Well what I mean with regards to Moncton is also the attitude of some of the people living there. They seem to have this mentality that their god's gift to the maritimes. I've ever heard people say "oh, Moncton is going to be bigger than Halifax in 10 years" and boast about it all over. I dont know who tells these people some of this stuff, but a lot of it is pretty rediculous. I have actually talked to people before who believe Moncton is the most important centre in the maritimes, which is pretty mind boggling really.

Wishblade, Its a couple of DJ's having some fun. Your coming off a little childish(no doubt you are 18) to me. It would be just as easy to say Halifax is a arrogant city and it is the most important center in the Maritimes(with little doubt it is). I make my home in Halifax now but I am from Moncton originally. Whats wrong with having pride in your city. I can tell you there is no shortage around here. I think we could debat this till the cows come home and the fact that your making those comments means Monctons doing a lot right....

Wishblade, Its a couple of DJ's having some fun. Your coming off a little childish(no doubt you are 18) to me. It would be just as easy to say Halifax is a arrogant city and it is the most important center in the Maritimes(with little doubt it is). I make my home in Halifax now but I am from Moncton originally. Whats wrong with having pride in your city. I can tell you there is no shortage around here. I think we could debat this till the cows come home and the fact that your making those comments means Monctons doing a lot right....

well EG I have to agree with you there. I think there has always been a catch up effect with halifax stemming from the period that moncton was alone with a arena of the colussuems size in 1973. After the Pope John Paul tour Moncton actually used the magnetic hill facility for concerts and had mixed results. pushing some oldie acts has declining returns over time. With the rolling stones they put their name on the map and I would not be surpized if you see that facility be the first in the martimes to host AC DC , U2 the eagles, bruce springsteen and even a madonna show. Halifax in the meanwhile waits for the gravey train from ottawa and province house to provide then the cash to have a facility or even a show in the case of the council vote for the 23 rd of september. I think I heard that moncton is now New Brunswicks biggest city for population ??? if that is the case they are doing something very well and that is adding to the growth. Who knows they just may end up growing bigger then halifax. It is certainly less costly to excavate in their soil then in halifax county. Moncton seems to be a place of realistic doers not of unrealistic dreamers.

Jim jones

Wishblade, Its a couple of DJ's having some fun. Your coming off a little childish(no doubt you are 18) to me. It would be just as easy to say Halifax is a arrogant city and it is the most important center in the Maritimes(with little doubt it is). I make my home in Halifax now but I am from Moncton originally. Whats wrong with having pride in your city. I can tell you there is no shortage around here. I think we could debat this till the cows come home and the fact that your making those comments means Monctons doing a lot right....

Theres nothing wrong with it, its just I failed to mention those people also downtalked Halifax. I have lots of pride in my city, but when people downtalk it, it just gets me a little discouraged. And unfortunately its only people from Moncton that I've known to do it, and its given me a really bad image of the people of that city. And by the way, Im 20 years old just so nobody questions my age :)

Theres nothing wrong with it, its just I failed to mention those people also downtalked Halifax. I have lots of pride in my city, but when people downtalk it, it just gets me a little discouraged. And unfortunately its only people from Moncton that I've known to do it, and its given me a really bad image of the people of that city. And by the way, Im 20 years old just so nobody questions my age :)

thing is at 20 you are young but have a fair head on your shoulders . If you look at the thing practically from a business stand point the City council in halifax rejected the donald k donald proposal so people with civic pride in moncton said
"hey lets give it a shot we risked last year and got the prize , why not try again since halifax isnt up to the task. we will make money this year with the experience and update facilities needed to host the show."
Concert , events and hobbys are really not that mark of a great city in my minds eye. having all that is needed for the citizens day to day everyday of the year is more important. When Halifax can solve those problems then they can look at concerts with full private funding and some group step forward .
The concerts come if you have a truly economically developed city.

jim jones

thing is at 20 you are young but have a fair head on your shoulders . If you look at the thing practically from a business stand point the City council in halifax rejected the donald k donald proposal so people with civic pride in moncton said
"hey lets give it a shot we risked last year and got the prize , why not try again since halifax isnt up to the task. we will make money this year with the experience and update facilities needed to host the show."
Concert , events and hobbys are really not that mark of a great city in my minds eye. having all that is needed for the citizens day to day everyday of the year is more important. When Halifax can solve those problems then they can look at concerts with full private funding and some group step forward .
The concerts come if you have a truly economically developed city.

jim jones

True, but I am still surprused that council chose not to match the 500,000 proposed by Donald K Donald. When you are willing to spend hundreds of millions on the commonwealth games without hesitation, but wont spend an extra 400,000 on a major concert, knowing it will probably make the difference between it happening and not, and also bringing god knows how many people to the city, it really doesnt make too much sense. Mind you the concert is nowhere near the league of the commonwealth games venture, but its quite obvious to me now that council has some priorities they need to straighten out.

True, but I am still surprused that council chose not to match the 500,000 proposed by Donald K Donald. When you are willing to spend hundreds of millions on the commonwealth games without hesitation, but wont spend an extra 400,000 on a major concert, knowing it will probably make the difference between it happening and not, and also bringing god knows how many people to the city, it really doesnt make too much sense. Mind you the concert is nowhere near the league of the commonwealth games venture, but its quite obvious to me now that council has some priorities they need to straighten out.

The thing is you might think the commonwealth games is a bigger deal but truly it isnt . If you look at the cities of abuja , glasgow and hlaifax guess who is having the stones this year without any fuss. Glasgow scotland in the proposed main stadium for the 2014 commonwealth games. What type of message does that send to the federation . Very ironic. The problem is hlaifax is looking for a free ride to facilites it cant afford to maintain.
Moncton seems to have had great planning with these types of things and halifax has been the opposite. they built from the magnetic hill facility in the 1980's to today. Nothing remains of the Pope John paul commons visit that would help a stones show. The new 10,000 seat stadium for the world juniors will be developed into a stadium for the CFL . you can see it coming.

That city seems to make the best of the opportunities and halifax wastes it moments. Just my look at things from a guy who has no real stake in either city. I think the decision on halifax's part is based in the fact that they really didn t have much money for the efford for a CWG bid and that has tapped the ability to do something on the fly like the stones concert. A possibly great thing now is being thrown away by continueing to pursue a nothing sports festival. The pan american games would make much more sense for halifax , cost less and get facilities like a stadium or improved baseball fields.

No slap to halifax but it has always been that way . Because the HRm was a couple of civic units they competted with each other. moncton, shediac and the other communties didnt and really acted as one unit.

Jim jones

Well I love halifax and I know lots of people who do also. Its a great town but you have to understand everybody thinks there home town is the best if they have any civic pride at all. Moncton people probably are a little arrogant at times (a select group) but for you info the place has been shit on since its incorporation back in the late 1800's. The city is only about 130 years old, quit young for a city around here. Anything it ever had going for it was either relocated or downsized to the point where it was nonexistent. I will give you examples: shipbuilding in the late 1800's
CNR they employed over 3500 people plus spin off jobs
(they may employ 50 to a 100 now) big hit
Eatons catalog warehouse/store 1000 jobs gone.
CFB Moncton gone
I use to work for the city engineering dept. as a summer student and I had a chance to look at the 25 year plan writen in 1970 and they forecasted the citys size to be 250 thousand people by 2000. Guess what that never happend and loosing that kinda employment screws everything. Things have changed and city government is making the best of it right now to make sure nothing ever happens like this again. If you rest on your lorals things will pass you buy. The city has taken big steps to enhance the quaility of live for the residents and will continue to do that in the future. In the last 20 years the city area has been envolved with more infrastructure projects than any other city in Atlantic Canada hands down.
Examples: Wheeler blvd. A four lane highway that will ring the entire city when completed. The first half was completed but in the mid 80's but the total project was conceived back in the mid 70's.
The sewage treatment plant (Constructed in the late 80's at a cost of 130 million) all with private funds. The most modern treatment plant east of Montreal when put in operation. If this was built today they estimate it would cost 750 million.
The Water treatment plant (constructed in 2000 at a cost of 29 million dollars)all in a public private partnership with US filter. That has already payed off with Molson building a new brewery in the city because of its now excellent water.
The raising of the City water supply out in turtle creek to double its capacity for future growth.
The construction of three large city parks (all comparible size to point plesant) centennial park, Mapleton park, and lastly Irishtown nature park.
Building industrial parks on spec( Calidonia industrial park phase 2)

The city also spent millions to build a sports plex. In consists of 4 ice rinks stacked in one building, 8 baseball fields, 4 soccer fields( 3 outside one indoor dome) and a football field. The price tag was well over 20 million.

Putting large contributions into a new YMCA (a state of the art facility)so everbody in the area could enjoy it.
The list goes on and on and I think the truth hurts a little sometimes. If halifax doesnt get its act together it might not be the top dog 100 years down the road..

So is the 23rd officially off or what?

So is the 23rd officially off or what?

Well, were supposidly going to find out tuesday, or mid week. I did read in the Daily News today though that they got calls yesterday to have ads advertising the concert in their paper next week.

Well EG I think Moncton has always taken care of its business very well and could make the 250,000 population faster then people think. It is certainly easier to build building foundations in moncton then hlaifax of even saint john for that matter. The big factor I see that moncton has voer halifax is the presence of a billion dollar company with long term goals the Irving empire. Halifax does not have anything like that with the exception of the provincial government.

Yes the civic pride thing is everywheres but realistically I find that moncton are the doers and planners where as halifax are the dreamers ans wishers who forget the basics in running a city. Being 280 million dollars in debt really speaks to halifaxs shortcomings.

Jim jones

Well, were supposidly going to find out tuesday, or mid week. I did read in the Daily News today though that they got calls yesterday to have ads advertising the concert in their paper next week.

The radio station in regina is confirming the Rolling stones show there with two more weeks time to sell tickets compared to a sept 23 day. Their tickets go on sale thee 31 of this month. Thing is the sh@# or get off the pot time has come for halifax. You start to get within 3 months for a show and you lose sales from people making commitments for other things. right now we are at 60 days.
It certainly does mean that people are not going to show but promoters know what I am saying and you look at most acts right now on pollstar and they have their schedules laid out until december or new years for everyone to make a decision and commitment to buy tickets. Just common sense promotion.

jim jones

Stones expected to confirm local gig

MICHAEL LIGHTSTONE - Staff Reporter
The Rolling Stones or their representatives are expected early this week to announce a return visit to North America during a world tour that includes an outdoor concert in Halifax.

Mayor Peter Kelly said Saturday a contract still hasn't been signed, but all indications are that the band will headline a major concert Sept. 23 on the Halifax Commons. He said an announcement could come as soon as Tuesday.

Mr. Kelly said that if an agreement is signed and everything proceeds according to plan, the concert will likely run from 2 to 11 p.m. He said he didn't know which bands would be the warm-up acts for the Stones in the afternoon and early evening.

The band's announcement will include all North American dates, Mr. Kelly said. The Stones, who are performing in Europe, were in this part of the world last summer and appeared in such cities as Moncton and Ottawa.

Mr. Kelly couldn't confirm the Halifax show but said a letter of intent "has been signed off and that will form the basis of the contract."

He said that if the deal between Halifax Regional Municipality and the event's promoter is signed, a contract will go to regional council for ratification. That is scheduled to happen Aug. 1, Mr. Kelly said.

The mayor said that although no contract has been inked, behind-the-scenes planning has been taking place to cover logistical issues such as policing, ambulance service, public transportation to and from the concert site, firefighting and parking.

"There will be a large police presence in the downtown," Mr. Kelly said.

Well EG I think Moncton has always taken care of its business very well and could make the 250,000 population faster then people think. It is certainly easier to build building foundations in moncton then hlaifax of even saint john for that matter. The big factor I see that moncton has voer halifax is the presence of a billion dollar company with long term goals the Irving empire. Halifax does not have anything like that with the exception of the provincial government.

Yes the civic pride thing is everywheres but realistically I find that moncton are the doers and planners where as halifax are the dreamers ans wishers who forget the basics in running a city. Being 280 million dollars in debt really speaks to halifaxs shortcomings.

Jim jones

250,000 what a joke. Where are all the people going to come from. Halifax is the fastest growing city in Atlantic Canada and has a whole lot more going for it than Moncton. You think the fact that it easier to build fondations is going to make Moncton grow fast...give me a break. and you think one company having control the way they do over New Brunswick and Moncton is a good thing I don't think so. Its not a good thing.

Halifax has a lot more industry, educational instiutions the second best port in the world and has all the halmarks to become a major city where Moncton does not.

Jonestowncultinpicto, I respect your opinion and all, but what do you have againist Halifax? You badmouth it every chance you get.

250,000 what a joke. Where are all the people going to come from. Halifax is the fastest growing city in Atlantic Canada and has a whole lot more going for it than Moncton. You think the fact that it easier to build fondations is going to make Moncton grow fast...give me a break. and you think one company having control the way they do over New Brunswick and Moncton is a good thing I don't think so. Its not a good thing.

Halifax has a lot more industry, educational instiutions the second best port in the world and has all the halmarks to become a major city where Moncton does not.


So lets see here why is it that molsons opened a brewery in Moncton and not Halifax? Second best port in the world WOW. I think New York , Miami ,Port Everglades, Long Beach/San Pedro, Seattle , Vancouver , Singapore, Hong Kong and a raft of others would have way more capacity then Halifax. Personally I have worked on ships going into many of those ports and I have to laff at a statement that is so uneducated it is not funny. Long Beach/San Pedro you could fit half a dozen halifaxs in for docks and still could short of the capacity. where you get confused is halifax is the second largest developed harbour in the world. Many of the smaller harbours for area are way more developed then halifax.

Halifax is not growing at the rate you think and there are very few industries.
Yeah I know what you will say call centres, biotech and IT. The rate of population growth is decreasing. You have more population with halifax but the growth rate is slowing.

There is on group that controls Halifax and that is the different levels of government. That is far worse then anything the irviongs or mc cains (oh remember the second largest frozen food maker is from new brunswick as well)

jim jones

Jonestowncultinpicto, I respect your opinion and all, but what do you have againist Halifax? You badmouth it every chance you get.

There is no badmouthing when you tell the truth about the situation in halifax .
Disorganized for development, no businesses that retain local onwership past 30 years. Businesses that basically started on a paradigm shift or a fadd. Halifax is Always at the federal and provincial government for money. Halifax Cant keep care of infrastructure and runs a 280 million dollar debt despite the funding it gets. The reasons are many. Halifax without the cape breton accents and the smoke stacks is basically industrial cape breton without the labour strife.

jim jones

So lets see here why is it that molsons opened a brewery in Moncton and not Halifax? Second best port in the world WOW. I think New York , Miami ,Port Everglades, Long Beach/San Pedro, Seattle , Vancouver , Singapore, Hong Kong and a raft of others would have way more capacity then Halifax. Personally I have worked on ships going into many of those ports and I have to laff at a statement that is so uneducated it is not funny. Long Beach/San Pedro you could fit half a dozen halifaxs in for docks and still could short of the capacity. where you get confused is halifax is the second largest developed harbour in the world. Many of the smaller harbours for area are way more developed then halifax.

Halifax is not growing at the rate you think and there are very few industries.
Yeah I know what you will say call centres, biotech and IT. The rate of population growth is decreasing. You have more population with halifax but the growth rate is slowing.

There is on group that controls Halifax and that is the different levels of government. That is far worse then anything the irviongs or mc cains (oh remember the second largest frozen food maker is from new brunswick as well)

jim jones


Molson brewery really how many people is that going to employ 40 people maybe. The only reason it went there is because the New Brunswick poured a whack of money... pretty much their whole economic development fund for that year just to keep it out of Halifax because that is where it was going. Mean while the NS economic development fund were announcing a pharmaceutical plant to go to Cape Breton employing 200 people. Besides Molson I haven't heard to much about anything going to Moncton in the last few years. There has been a lot more companies coming to Halifax.

Moncton is for the most part a call centre oriented economy there isn't to much industry there.

Slowing what’s you're proof of that?

There is no badmouthing when you tell the truth about the situation in halifax .
Disorganized for development, no businesses that retain local onwership past 30 years. Businesses that basically started on a paradigm shift or a fadd. Halifax is Always at the federal and provincial government for money. Halifax Cant keep care of infrastructure and runs a 280 million dollar debt despite the funding it gets. The reasons are many. Halifax without the cape breton accents and the smoke stacks is basically industrial cape breton without the labour strife.

jim jones



LOL...LOL....LOL..LOL

Molson brewery really how many people is that going to employ 40 people maybe. The only reason it went there is because the New Brunswick poured a whack of money... pretty much their whole economic development fund for that year just to keep it out of Halifax because that is where it was going. Mean while the NS economic development fund were announcing a pharmaceutical plant to go to Cape Breton employing 200 people. Besides Molson I haven't heard to much about anything going to Moncton in the last few years. There has been a lot more companies coming to Halifax.

Moncton is for the most part a call centre oriented economy there isn't to much industry there.

Slowing what’s you're proof of that?

Look at the increases of population form census to census and you will find that the rate is slowing. there was more population growth in the 70's and 80's then there is now.

Things is the molson brewery in moncton not halifax. seems like a hundred year plus business to me . RIM will be a short term thing for a call centre in Halifax.

jim jones

Man there is a lot of uneducated close minded people in this eastern province section. On a brighter note, there will be a announcement about a concert tomorrow.

Look at the increases of population form census to census and you will find that the rate is slowing. there was more population growth in the 70's and 80's then there is now.

Things is the molson brewery in moncton not halifax. seems like a hundred year plus business to me . RIM will be a short term thing for a call centre in Halifax.

jim jones


I doubt RIM is going to build a 12 arcre high tech campus just for a short term call centre.

As far as popultion growth..if it has slowed compared to the 70's and 80's it is still the fastest growing in Atlantic Canada and is one of the only centres in eastern Canada and north east United States that has population growth. I don't deny Moncton is growing and doing well especailly from where it came from. However it makes me laugh when I here things like they are going to out grow Halifax. That would be pretty inpossible in out life time considering Halifax is four times the size and growing faster. A few box stores go up and they think their the next Calgary. Little do they realize that is going on everywhere.

Man there is a lot of uneducated close minded people in this eastern province section. On a brighter note, there will be a announcement about a concert tomorrow.

haha, yeah I almost forgot why this topic was started lol. funny how things get off the subject.

Moncton would kill for a chance at luring a company like RIM. They'd trade the Molson stuff for that in a heartbeat.

Just thought I'd throw this in here, The Rolling Stones are confirmed for a concert on the Halifax Commons slated for Sept 23 2006 starting at 2pm. Tix are said to be $99 + taxes and fees again like the Moncton show, this time a $20 discount will be offered to students with a valid student I.D. Few hundred gold circle seats available as well, same goes with a mere 250 to be up on stage with the stones during the show.

Rock On Guy's Let's show Moncton who's better at throwin' parties!!!!!!

Just thought I'd throw this in here, The Rolling Stones are confirmed for a concert on the Halifax Commons slated for Sept 23 2006 starting at 2pm. Tix are said to be $99 + taxes and fees again like the Moncton show, this time a $20 discount will be offered to students with a valid student I.D. Few hundred gold circle seats available as well, same goes with a mere 250 to be up on stage with the stones during the show.

Rock On Guy's Let's show Moncton who's better at throwin' parties!!!!!!


Yeah boys there should be atleast 32,000 at the stones just like the pope in 1984 LOL.

Yeah boys there should be atleast 32,000 at the stones just like the pope in 1984 LOL.

I read the commons had 80,000 for the pope lol. Oh well, I expect 60,000-70,000 at the commons for the stones anyway. There would be more if it could hold more than that.

I doubt RIM is going to build a 12 arcre high tech campus just for a short term call centre.

As far as popultion growth..if it has slowed compared to the 70's and 80's it is still the fastest growing in Atlantic Canada and is one of the only centres in eastern Canada and north east United States that has population growth. I don't deny Moncton is growing and doing well especailly from where it came from. However it makes me laugh when I here things like they are going to out grow Halifax. That would be pretty inpossible in out life time considering Halifax is four times the size and growing faster. A few box stores go up and they think their the next Calgary. Little do they realize that is going on everywhere.


First are you not countering your statement here with "the fastest growing in atlantic canada and is one of the only centers in eastern canada and the north east united states that has population growth". then the next sentence is "I dont deny moncton is growing and doing well especially form where it came from". Moncton certainly has growth as they are now the largest city in new brunswick overtaking saint john. Who knows compare the census figures and moncton may have a higher growth rate . I can't remember anyone espeically myself saying moncton would become as populated as halifax however in 40 years moncton could go from the 110,000 approx to 250,000.
Halifax did thanks to amalgimation with dartmouth, bedford, sackville and the county. At the same time moncton for a ten percent growth rate betwenn census' only needs 2200 people per year over 5 years halifax however needs over 6000 for a ten percent growth.
Now for a friendly FYI for those in the HRM that dont seem to understand numbers, figures or balance sheets Rate of growth is expressed in percentages over time not population number increases. Halifax could have 6000 people move in to the city a year for 5 years and moncton could have 2001 people move there every year for 5 years . Guess who has the higher growth rate moncton by small percentage points. you could do the same thing with my town new glasgow that has 9400 last census and have new glasgow add 950 people making it the fastest growing center in the maritimes if all others only had 10 percent rate of growth. And then you can have the entire county of pictou become one unit and become New Glasgow. New Glasgow would then have a percentage increase of over 500 percent for the five year period between census'.

The thing is you have a problem with statements that sheds a different view then Halifax the great and we are the engine of the maritime economy. Got news for you Halifax is only 15 percent of the popultaion of atlantic canada.
Halifax plays a role but for the most part communities outside thew HRM make the paper and you shuffle a very small percent of that production. 120 million dollars a month worth of produce bypasses halifax to philadephia each and every month from NeeHah Paper in Abercrombie. In other words from ONe paper mill you have more then the bureaucrates in halifax try to tell people that tourism is worth to nova scotia.

The economy is still very resource dependant in the entire region and those resources are not harvested in the HRM.

Moncton may very well grow to 250,000 in the next couple of decades but I cant see it overtaking Halifax unless Halifax gets the commonwealth games and then you will see a migration out of the HRM like montreal had after the 1976 olympics.

jim jones

I read the commons had 80,000 for the pope lol. Oh well, I expect 60,000-70,000 at the commons for the stones anyway. There would be more if it could hold more than that.

Actually wishblade honestly it was only 32,000 . The turnout among festival organizers in the region became known as the "pope john paul effect". It was absolutely stupid how people would say "I am not going anywheres near halifax there will be 250,000 people on the commons for the pope!!" the numbers being banded about scared people off.

for some reason the new generation of jounralists around today didnt do their research and they defer to urban myth . I saw an article for the CBC stating the 32,000 figure and I think that was probably being generous at the time.
I think you are right between 60 to 70 thousand people will be there. hopefully I will be working the Iatse call. LOL

jim jones

Now for a friendly FYI for those in the HRM that dont seem to understand numbers, figures or balance sheets Rate of growth is expressed in percentages over time not population number increases. Halifax could have 6000 people move in to the city a year for 5 years and moncton could have 2001 people move there every year for 5 years . Guess who has the higher growth rate moncton by small percentage points. you could do the same thing with my town new glasgow that has 9400 last census and have new glasgow add 950 people making it the fastest growing center in the maritimes if all others only had 10 percent rate of growth. And then you can have the entire county of pictou become one unit and become New Glasgow. New Glasgow would then have a percentage increase of over 500 percent for the five year period between census'.

Umm.. if anything, that means that, even if Halifax's percentage increase were the same, its growth in absolute terms would be more significant. Either way it doesn't matter because Halifax is adding more in both percentage and absolute terms. During the last census period Halifax grew by 4.7% and added 16,000 people. During that same period Moncton grew by 3.7% and added 4,000 people. At this rate, 40 years after the end of the last period (2041), Moncton would have 160,000 inhabitants and Halifax would have 544,000 inhabitants. Halifax would go from being a little over 3x larger to being 4x larger. Halifax would add an entire Moncton.

Moncton passed Saint John because Saint John isn't growing at all. You don't need to have high population growth to pass a city with zero population growth. Bragging about passing Saint John is like bragging that you've managed to pass a stop sign.

Either way, I didn't see you explain the failure of your predictive powers when it came to the Rolling Stones. It seems that they intend to play in Halifax, and up until recently you claimed otherwise. I guess you were wrong.

Now for a friendly FYI for those in the HRM that dont seem to understand numbers, figures or balance sheets Rate of growth is expressed in percentages over time not population number increases. Halifax could have 6000 people move in to the city a year for 5 years and moncton could have 2001 people move there every year for 5 years . Guess who has the higher growth rate moncton by small percentage points. you could do the same thing with my town new glasgow that has 9400 last census and have new glasgow add 950 people making it the fastest growing center in the maritimes if all others only had 10 percent rate of growth. And then you can have the entire county of pictou become one unit and become New Glasgow. New Glasgow would then have a percentage increase of over 500 percent for the five year period between census'.

Umm.. if anything, that means that, even if Halifax's percentage increase were the same, its growth in absolute terms would be more significant. Either way it doesn't matter because Halifax is adding more in both percentage and absolute terms. During the last census period Halifax grew by 4.7% and added 16,000 people. During that same period Moncton grew by 3.7% and added 4,000 people. At this rate, 40 years after the end of the last period (2041), Moncton would have 160,000 inhabitants and Halifax would have 544,000 inhabitants. Halifax would go from being a little over 3x larger to being 4x larger. Halifax would add an entire Moncton.

Moncton passed Saint John because Saint John isn't growing at all. You don't need to have high population growth to pass a city with zero population growth. Bragging about passing Saint John is like bragging that you've managed to pass a stop sign.

Either way, I didn't see you explain the failure of your predictive powers when it came to the Rolling Stones. It seems that they intend to play in Halifax, and up until recently you claimed otherwise. I guess you were wrong.


So is aerosmith and the who playing with that show LOL. yeah i though so .

jim jones

By the way, according to the City of Moncton's website their debt in 2005 was $67.7 million. The City of Moncton has approximately 65,000 inhabitants (corrected for growth after 2001, aggressive estimate). The HRM is now in the 385,000 range (conservative estimate up from 377,000 in 2001).

So, in other words, Moncton has $1,041 in debt per person and the HRM carries $727 in debt per person.

Stated yet another way, Mr. Jones is out to lunch again.

By the way, according to the City of Moncton's website their debt in 2005 was $67.7 million. The City of Moncton has approximately 65,000 inhabitants (corrected for growth after 2001, aggressive estimate). The HRM is now in the 385,000 range (conservative estimate up from 377,000 in 2001).

So, in other words, Moncton has $1,041 in debt per person and the HRM carries $727 in debt per person.

Stated yet another way, Mr. Jones is out to lunch again.

Yes but hey they are not bidding on a 2 billion dollar sports circus that is both meaningless and commerically devoid of value, they actually have a proper sewage treatment facility and their fire stations are not in need of upgrade to meet building code. Actually if you looked at the Aledged estimates for population in halifax for 2006 you will find that dividing the HRM 280 million dollar debt among the people that are claimed you would come up with a lower debt then 700 dollars per person .
So why is it that Halifax needs money from the province and Feds for A Sewage treatment facility?
Hey i bet for the 300 dollar per person no one has to shovel the sidewalks in front of their properties in moncton . Halifax even senoir citizens have that task. Yeah Halifax such a great place to live LOL.
New Glassgow 1.4 million IN THE BANK. Antigonish over 5 million in the bank
OPS I let the secret out now peter kelly and the band of mental midgets will be trying to make us part of the HRM LOL. The HRM was a tax base grab from the county and the residents of the county got ripped off in the process. LOL

jim jones

blah blah blah

"Oh crap, I'm wrong again so let's change the subject!"

or rather

"O crap im wrong so lets change the subbject . LOL"

Every city asks the province and feds for money when they want to build things. St. John's certainly did when they built their plant. Either way, more than half of the money that the HRM gets from the province comes from residents of the HRM.

New Glasgow and Antigonish are crap towns. I'm sure that the HRM could manage to put a few dollars in the bank too if they only had to maintain a couple of street lights. They also don't have to pay extra just to fund their schools with an equal number of dollars as other parts of the province.

the immaturity of this thread is saddening.

awesome that the show is actually happening though. anyone have any confirmation links?

the immaturity of this thread is saddening.

awesome that the show is actually happening though. anyone have any confirmation links?

heres some links for the rolling stones website:

http://www.rollingstones.com/news/press.php?uid=561
https://tickets.rollingstones.com/

Jim Jones what's wrong with you anayway? You seem to have an awful chip on you're shoulder.

Haligonian, you got to come down man. This is not a pissing contest about Halifax and Moncton. I simply stated Some of the facts about my home town and your taking it way to far. Read the post.

Haligonian, you got to come down man. This is not a pissing contest about Halifax and Moncton. I simply stated Some of the facts about my home town and your taking it way to far. Read the post.


Things is EG you know there is going to be a rivalry and hey all Halifax was able to come up with was doing the same thing moncton did last year without building a facility for the future. For moncton even though they dont get a return visit they certainly get a concert facility that will most likely produce more concerts in the future. There have certainly been more shows there since pope john paul then the commons have held.

For all the positive spin that officials in halifax can put on the commons as a site they have to deal with negatives afterwards if something happens or if you just have the normal running of a show in an urban area with large sound systems. Magnetic Hill your had some neighboor issues but that will be pale to having a show on the commons.

basically you have moncton the inovator and halifax the imatator.


jim jones

First are you not countering your statement here with "the fastest growing in atlantic canada and is one of the only centers in eastern canada and the north east united states that has population growth". then the next sentence is "I dont deny moncton is growing and doing well especially form where it came from". Moncton certainly has growth as they are now the largest city in new brunswick overtaking saint john. Who knows compare the census figures and moncton may have a higher growth rate . I can't remember anyone espeically myself saying moncton would become as populated as halifax however in 40 years moncton could go from the 110,000 approx to 250,000.
Halifax did thanks to amalgimation with dartmouth, bedford, sackville and the county. At the same time moncton for a ten percent growth rate betwenn census' only needs 2200 people per year over 5 years halifax however needs over 6000 for a ten percent growth.
Now for a friendly FYI for those in the HRM that dont seem to understand numbers, figures or balance sheets Rate of growth is expressed in percentages over time not population number increases. Halifax could have 6000 people move in to the city a year for 5 years and moncton could have 2001 people move there every year for 5 years . Guess who has the higher growth rate moncton by small percentage points. you could do the same thing with my town new glasgow that has 9400 last census and have new glasgow add 950 people making it the fastest growing center in the maritimes if all others only had 10 percent rate of growth. And then you can have the entire county of pictou become one unit and become New Glasgow. New Glasgow would then have a percentage increase of over 500 percent for the five year period between census'.

The thing is you have a problem with statements that sheds a different view then Halifax the great and we are the engine of the maritime economy. Got news for you Halifax is only 15 percent of the popultaion of atlantic canada.
Halifax plays a role but for the most part communities outside thew HRM make the paper and you shuffle a very small percent of that production. 120 million dollars a month worth of produce bypasses halifax to philadephia each and every month from NeeHah Paper in Abercrombie. In other words from ONe paper mill you have more then the bureaucrates in halifax try to tell people that tourism is worth to nova scotia.

The economy is still very resource dependant in the entire region and those resources are not harvested in the HRM.

Moncton may very well grow to 250,000 in the next couple of decades but I cant see it overtaking Halifax unless Halifax gets the commonwealth games and then you will see a migration out of the HRM like montreal had after the 1976 olympics.

jim jones

Th out migration from Montreal had do with the sepertist movement, bombs going off in mail boxes and such and nothing to do with the Montreal Olympics.

Th last census showed Halifax growing faster than Moncton. Halifax grew the most in Atlantic Canada and Moncton was in second.

Haligonian, you got to come down man. This is not a pissing contest about Halifax and Moncton. I simply stated Some of the facts about my home town and your taking it way to far. Read the post.

I was responding exclusively to Mr. Jones.

I guess I was a little over the top but he has done an awful lot of trolling recently. Almost every piece of "factual" information that he has posted has been either highly misleading or outright false, as I have demonstrated. He can expect to be called on that kind of thing.

I don't mind if people have their own opinions. It doesn't matter much to me if somebody from some small town is irrationally disdainful of Halifax. That is common enough, and Moncton happens to be the "underdog" that those people have decided to rally behind. Whatever. I am going to respond to the arguments that they post though, and if they start slinging mud and posting half-truths the response will be tailored appropriately.

JJ, will you at least admit that you were wrong for once? It'll brighten everyone's day a tiny bit

I was responding exclusively to Mr. Jones.

I guess I was a little over the top but he has done an awful lot of trolling recently. Almost every piece of "factual" information that he has posted has been either highly misleading or outright false, as I have demonstrated. He can expect to be called on that kind of thing.

I don't mind if people have their own opinions. It doesn't matter much to me if somebody from some small town is irrationally disdainful of Halifax. That is common enough, and Moncton happens to be the "underdog" that those people have decided to rally behind. Whatever. I am going to respond to the arguments that they post though, and if they start slinging mud and posting half-truths the response will be tailored appropriately.
if you're responding exclusively to someone you might want to try PM'ing them instead of replying here.

heres some links for the rolling stones website:

http://www.rollingstones.com/news/press.php?uid=561
https://tickets.rollingstones.com/
awesome thanks :)

if you're responding exclusively to someone you might want to try PM'ing them instead of replying here.

Umm.. thanks for the suggestion, but there was a very obvious reason why I did it in this thread.

awesome thanks :)


The best site to see all tours is www.pollstar.com
the management of acts contact pollstar directly with the same press releases that are giving to media interests. Pollstar awards are very important to the concert industry and actually are the big awards for concert promoters, managers, booking agents and production companies.

Jim jones

Th out migration from Montreal had do with the sepertist movement, bombs going off in mail boxes and such and nothing to do with the Montreal Olympics.

Th last census showed Halifax growing faster than Moncton. Halifax grew the most in Atlantic Canada and Moncton was in second.

And the taxation situation for both residences and businesses post 1976 had much to do with the outward migration . The separtist party came to power in 1977 when the sober fact of what Premier Bourasia and the Liberals lead the province into with the olympics. The 1.5 billion dollar olympic debt certainly helped push the liberals out of office for rectless financial dealings that everyone from Luc St. John to Ungava Bay had to deal with .
Drapeau and the city at the start of the excalating costs were completely on their own. Bourasia stepped in with provincial money when the situation was very dyer. Part of the result of the olympics is you had a liberal government who looked idiotic following The BT Barnum of Canada , Mayor Drapeau, thus separtists gaining control because they were the sane choice the people of quebec . If you had no olympics in montreal amassing a mountainous debt you probably would not have had the separtist coming to power.

Oh and by the way before you start accusing people of not having their facts straight it was 1970 and the FLQ crisis that had exploding mailboxes in montreal a clear 6 years before the summer games and the migration to The GTA. The FLQ was a Quebec Nationalist terrorism organization that kidnapped Montreal Based British High comissionare James Cross and kipnapped and murdered Quebec Provincial Cabinet Minister ( minister of Labour I beleive ) Pierre LaPorte. The FLQ crisis
happened in september and october of 1970 . Pierre Elliot Trudeau inacted the War Measures Act which was never before or since done in peacetime in canada.

Jim Jones

Well, looks like we have our first opener for the Rolling Stones announced. Alice Cooper will open for them on Sept 23rd on the commons. Saw Alice in concert in May. Quite a good show and should be a fantastic opener :)

Well, looks like we have our first opener for the Rolling Stones announced. Alice Cooper will open for them on Sept 23rd on the commons. Saw Alice in concert in May. Quite a good show and should be a fantastic opener :)


Well that is a good one but hey I though aerosmith and the who were opening HEHEHEH. Had to get that dig in . But yeah good for alice he is one of the most underated song wirers of the last 40 years.

jim jones

Ok some of you have probably heard, but the 2nd opener for the stones is Sloan. their supposed to announce the 3rd opener next week sometime, and Im hoping for something really big myself. So, how many people have gotten their tickets? I got mine first thing :P

A friend of mine was supposed to get one for me today (I was working all day) so hopefully there were no problems.
The student ID thing seemed kind of ill-conceived.. you need a "valid" (I assume they mean "current") student ID, but I haven't gotten my ID for this year and last year's ID is no proof that I'm still a student. On the other hand I guess the girl at the Superstore probably couldn't care less.

A friend of mine was supposed to get one for me today (I was working all day) so hopefully there were no problems.
The student ID thing seemed kind of ill-conceived.. you need a "valid" (I assume they mean "current") student ID, but I haven't gotten my ID for this year and last year's ID is no proof that I'm still a student. On the other hand I guess the girl at the Superstore probably couldn't care less.

well I would think they would accept a sutdent id card from the 2005 -2006 year because it would be a prick move to say "look this is invalid, you have to produce you new card when you get it". with university in the hrm is it not the week of the show that school starts ? even if it is september 3rd there would be the great possiblilty that no tickets would be left with a cap of 60,000 tickets. As an exercise to try to show up shelbyville it is kind of pointless LOL considering shelbyville had 80,000 people last september for their show.

This would be a gesture to eliminate student ticket sales and really a false peice of advertizement. Notice they dont have senior citizen tickets which is about the area of the rolling stones ages LOL. Of course discounting 10000 senoirs would probably not be in the interest of the promoters or the stones

Alice cooper , Sloan PLease

jim jones

The 3rd opener for the Stones has been announced, and it is Kanye West. You can find it under event info on ticketatlantic, his name has been added to the list of acts. So thats our show, The Rolling Stones feat. Alice Cooper, Kanye West, and Sloan.

There's an article on the Stones website too. Kanye is only opening for them in Halifax, Boston, and New York. Lucky us!

What kind of venue is being used? Last I heard Halifax doesn't have a facility large enough to hold 60 000. I assume it must be fairly flat and open, this Common that is mentioned.
What were ticket sales like? Here in Saskatchewan 80 000+ tickets for two shows were sold in hours.

What kind of venue is being used? Last I heard Halifax doesn't have a facility large enough to hold 60 000. I assume it must be fairly flat and open, this Common that is mentioned.
What were ticket sales like? Here in Saskatchewan 80 000+ tickets for two shows were sold in hours.

The Commons is a large city park near downtown. They say it can hold 100,000 actually, though I find it hard to see lol. And no idea on how ticket sales are going. all I know is it isnt sold out yet, and we sold 35,000 on the first day of sales.

There's probably enough surface area for 100,000 people but I'd guess that the maximum capacity would be closer to 80,000 because there are large fountains and huge fences in inconvenient places.

There's probably enough surface area for 100,000 people but I'd guess that the maximum capacity would be closer to 80,000 because there are large fountains and huge fences in inconvenient places.

Tickets are being limited to 60,000.
I guess Shelbeyville bet Halifax with last years show at magnetic hill :hahaha:
even before the frist ticket was sold in halifax.
Of course it is not shelbeyville the HRM is competting with in this quest.
It is Glasgow Scotland who is hosting the rolling stones at Hampden Park Stadium. Who knows how many times they have played in that city.

Jim jones

Tickets are being limited to 60,000.
I guess Shelbeyville bet Halifax with last years show at magnetic hill :hahaha:
even before the frist ticket was sold in halifax.
Of course it is not shelbeyville the HRM is competting with in this quest.
It is Glasgow Scotland who is hosting the rolling stones at Hampden Park Stadium. Who knows how many times they have played in that city.

Jim jones

I have no idea what that had to do with what Bluenoser said. What does Glasgow's concert have anything to do with us? were not competing with other cities, its just a damn concert Jim lol

I have no idea what that had to do with what Bluenoser said. What does Glasgow's concert have anything to do with us? were not competing with other cities, its just a damn concert Jim lol


Exactly!

I have no idea what that had to do with what Bluenoser said. What does Glasgow's concert have anything to do with us? were not competing with other cities, its just a damn concert Jim lol

pretty simple wishblade. Glasgow commonwealth games bider for 2014 , Halifax
commonwealth games bider for 2014. If hlaifax was not to hold even as small an event as the rolling stones and glasgow did wouldn t that point to the apparent inability of a city to compete with another city for something like the commonwealth games.

Lets say for example truro is biding on the canada winter games and new glasgow is as well . Truro has the tragically hip play in their arena . Wouldn't it be logically that new glasgow couldnt host the canada winter games if they could not host the tragically hip?

Same relative scale of things and lets face it . The commonwealth committee in halifax is all about smoke and mirrors. There is no federal funding , a member of the committee has recently expressed difficulty in talks with ottawa. Halifax wants ottawa to pay the 80 percent because they know the city and the province cant afford it and there is no support from the citizens who are rate payers to have their taxes increased for a 10 days sports festival that no one watchs in the world. The two council candidates said so on rick howes show the other day. Three people on the hustings expressed support in Bedford
A GRAND TOTAL OF 3 PEOPLE. Perhaps if the Martin candidate is elected on august 18th the council will get the message OPEN up the information to the public good or bad and let the citizen decide.

The only reason for secrecy is that the committee has absoultely no federal money committed and absolutely terrible public support for the idea in both the HRM and the Province. If they had the publics support they would be rolling out a public opinion poll saying they have XX percentage.

jim jones

Three people on the hustings expressed support in Bedford
A GRAND TOTAL OF 3 PEOPLE.
3 people expressed support out of the blue. From what I understand the candidates didn't ask for opinions on the Games, but 3 people they talked to explicitly said "by the way, I support the Games"

Hmm I guess The Tragically Hip have played in Halifax before... and Halifax also hosted the Canada Games. So there's a solid argument.

Yeah, and the fact is Jim, We actually are hosting a rolling stones concert, so that point is moot. And really if you want to look at it from a commonwealth games perspective, I really dont see many tours making it Abuja's way, perhaps they aren't fit to host them? lol. And the stones have probably played Glasgow a lot in the past because its in Britain and an easy stop from the huge tour destination that is London. Also, its a larger and more internationally known city than Halifax, which doesnt by any means make it any better.

Yeah, and the fact is Jim, We actually are hosting a rolling stones concert, so that point is moot. And really if you want to look at it from a commonwealth games perspective, I really dont see many tours making it Abuja's way, perhaps they aren't fit to host them? lol. And the stones have probably played Glasgow a lot in the past because its in Britain and an easy stop from the huge tour destination that is London. Also, its a larger and more internationally known city than Halifax, which doesnt by any means make it any better.

Well if mick jagger continues with cancelling dates in europe because of throat problems Halifax will probalby be dumped. I can see that coming with alice cooper being dropped from the Bill. You dont suppose Alice cooper was dropped because the show is not sold out yet ???? Odd shelbeyville certainly had no problem selling out the stones show with 25000 more ticket avialable last year even though the newspapers were full of ads for tickets to sell for months on end.

Play Halifax or Foxboro Mass. thats a tough decision LOL. As to the comparison with Abuja that city has had some shows from major rap and R&B stars whos names escape me at this time. Of course nothing the size rolling stones. No major touring acts play africa with maybe the exception of south africa at all. Of course south africa is hosting the wrold cup in 2010 whereas canada will never host a world cup.

As to glasgow and halifax. Well halifax is half the population of glasgow. Glasgow has three pro soccer teams and the stadiums. Different culture of course. the Freddy Mac team feels that they have to compete with soctland as they blindly think that is the main competitor. Abuja is the main threat and will be awarded . 46 to 22 a repeat of hamilton 2003 with the developing commonwealth coming out on top. The difference is halifax will split the lower number of votes with glasgow if Halifax gets to the Columbo at all.

jim jones

3 people expressed support out of the blue. From what I understand the candidates didn't ask for opinions on the Games, but 3 people they talked to explicitly said "by the way, I support the Games"

Hmm I guess The Tragically Hip have played in Halifax before... and Halifax also hosted the Canada Games. So there's a solid argument.

Lets put it this way more people expressed concern over the secrecy and what it really means as opposed to endorsing the commonwealth games.

The secrecy is very simple the premier and HRM council have nothing to offer when it comes to a Dollar figure of what the federal government will pay beyond a platitude of Micheal Chong's valed support as minister of sport. The 35% Traditional federal funding is not appealing to the GYm teacher from cape breton or the mayor and HRM council.
The council is even looking for funding for the economic study from the feds.
Grab a Clue Peter Kelly, Fred Mac Gillevray is sitting on the 2002 acoa study for the 2003 bid. It is apparent by the supression of that report that The commonwealth games is a bad idea economically. If the study said it was positive you would see the study writen out in 4 foot high letter all over the metro centre LOL. Atleast that what I would do LOL.

Jim jones

Well, I would like to see where you saw Alice Cooper was taken off the bill because everywhere I look he's still on. And actually, the stones would probably take Halifax over Foxboro if they had to cancel one, reason being they are looking to play new markets since their careers are running dry and this may be their last world tour. They've played Boston lots. Besides, neither are getting cancelled because they said they would make up for the lost dates in 2007 for Europe. And also I've heard that Canada may bid for the 2018 world cup, which is funny to me too since this isnt exactly the biggest football market. And please stop refering Moncton to Shelbyville, its getting kinda old ;).

Well if mick jagger continues with cancelling dates in europe because of throat problems Halifax will probalby be dumped. I can see that coming with alice cooper being dropped from the Bill. You dont suppose Alice cooper was dropped because the show is not sold out yet ???? Odd shelbeyville certainly had no problem selling out the stones show with 25000 more ticket avialable last year even though the newspapers were full of ads for tickets to sell for months on end.

Play Halifax or Foxboro Mass. thats a tough decision LOL. As to the comparison with Abuja that city has had some shows from major rap and R&B stars whos names escape me at this time. Of course nothing the size rolling stones. No major touring acts play africa with maybe the exception of south africa at all. Of course south africa is hosting the wrold cup in 2010 whereas canada will never host a world cup.

As to glasgow and halifax. Well halifax is half the population of glasgow. Glasgow has three pro soccer teams and the stadiums. Different culture of course. the Freddy Mac team feels that they have to compete with soctland as they blindly think that is the main competitor. Abuja is the main threat and will be awarded . 46 to 22 a repeat of hamilton 2003 with the developing commonwealth coming out on top. The difference is halifax will split the lower number of votes with glasgow if Halifax gets to the Columbo at all.

jim jones

Moncton had no problem selling tickets because it was the first time the Stones had come to the Maritimes and because there's nothing else to do in Moncton. It was more of a big deal. The Halifax show will sell out but I don't expect 80,000. Besides 60,000 is a good crowd for the Commons.

Another thing is there are a lot more big outdoor concerts this year around the Maritimes. The market is somewhat saturated. The Country concert in Moncton is having a hard tiem selling tickets. The Black Eye Peas are having a hard time to sell out as well.

Another thing is there are a lot more big outdoor concerts this year around the Maritimes. The market is somewhat saturated. The Country concert in Moncton is having a hard tiem selling tickets. The Black Eye Peas are having a hard time to sell out as well.


Well thanks for making excuses for the rolling stones I am sure Mick will give you a VIP pass for that one . The Black Eyed Peas , Alan Jackson /Brooks and Dunn/ George Canyon at magnetic hill, decreasing the sales of rolling stones tickets ????
Why dont we throw in the buskers festival, the atlantic film festival and the pro stock car race in antigonish this weekend which will see the re-opening of
the best stock car track in the atlantic region. with a new grandstand holding 8000 it is largest outdoor venue with seating in the province and was totally funded with private money by john chisholm to the tune of 2 million dollars.

The rolling stones are billed as the biggest rock band on earth. Halifax is billed as the economic engine of the entire universe !!!! That fact is from stats can isnt it !!!!
Yes Halifax is such an economic engine for Atlantic Canada that housing construction is way up in nova scotia but it is somewheres south in the provinces of PEI , New Brunswick and Newfoundland.
Again halifax leads the way in going down every fade thing in search of a federal or provincial government hand out. The rolling stones show is just an extension of th commonwealth games efford of saving face against Glasgow scotland and moncton. Unbelievable

got some news for you ticket sales for the Stones in great britian are flat and the promoters are scrambling to get tickets sold. The throat excuse may rear its head again in north america. There is a very good reason the stones played moncton last year. The rolling stones ticket and merchantdize sales are decreasing in the markets they have played for decades. The band asked Michael Cohn to find them new territories to exploit. The toyko dome they used to sell out . last time 45,000 out of 60,000 tickets were sold. This is for the third largest metro area in the world.
Moncton caught the luck last year by being the first. Halifax may have cuaght the trailing end of the rolling stones in their stadium big show career.
It would not surprize me if the rolling stones played ST John Newfoundland, Halifax and Saint John NB in arenas next year.

As too the black eyed peas 20,000 on the first day out of a possilble 30,000 is not bad for a group with very little history playing in charlottetown. That is actually better percentage wise then the rolling stones first day for sales in halifax. Considering that the promoters in charlottetown did this after the rolling stones tickets went on sales I would say the rolling stones and the HRM council have egg on their faces.

jim jones

Moncton had no problem selling tickets because it was the first time the Stones had come to the Maritimes and because there's nothing else to do in Moncton. It was more of a big deal. The Halifax show will sell out but I don't expect 80,000. Besides 60,000 is a good crowd for the Commons.

Yes it will not be 80,000 because the limit of tickets is 60,000. I will not be surprized if the sotne do 50,000 to 52,000.

jim jones

Yes it will not be 80,000 because the limit of tickets is 60,000. I will not be surprized if the sotne do 50,000 to 52,000.

jim jones
If the 60,000 tickets sell out, they said they'd put more on sale (although I doubt it'll hit 60k).

You sound a little worn and beaten tonight Jimmy boy, we finally starting to take a toll and running you out of pathetic excuses to whine about the fact you don't like Halifax?

-P. Helliwell

You sound a little worn and beaten tonight Jimmy boy, we finally starting to take a toll and running you out of pathetic excuses to whine about the fact you don't like Halifax?

-P. Helliwell

Agian halifax will fall flat on its face trying to play catch up with moncton LOL.
Go shelbyville GO LOL.

jim jones

Agian halifax will fall flat on its face trying to play catch up with moncton LOL.
Go shelbyville GO LOL.

jim jones

I think you have that backwards Jonesy lol. Moncton has a long way to go before it can even compare to Halifax in any way.

If the 60,000 tickets sell out, they said they'd put more on sale (although I doubt it'll hit 60k).

Thr limit is 60,000 which hlaifax should be able to reach. But hey the massive ammounts of outdoor shows in the rest of the maritimes ??? Seems to me the pathetic accuses come form none other then Halifax itself LOL.

Jim jones

Agian halifax will fall flat on its face trying to play catch up with moncton LOL.
Go shelbyville GO LOL.

jim jones

again? when has it happened before? you really are getting very trying to listen to.You have absolutley no idea what you are talking about.

I suggest you get to bed, I didn't think the seniors centre staff let you folks stay up this late and putter around. Please, just keep your 'pro-moncton/rub Halifax's face in the mud' to yourself, its pointless to even come on here in all honesty as you know you'll say something that will piss one of us off, hence resulting in a big argument.

We get your point, we understood several months ago...you don't like Halifax....plain and simple. This forum would be a far more creative, and expressionable place if you weren't here to critique the crap out of everyone's idea's. So what, it may seem impossible/nearly impossible to you, doesn't mean you have to crash them into the ground.

If you want to get at me for any of this, or any of you for anything, please contact me on MSN messenger farmer_guy_2000@hotmail.com

Patrick Helliwell

Thr limit is 60,000 which hlaifax should be able to reach. But hey the massive ammounts of outdoor shows in the rest of the maritimes ??? Seems to me the pathetic accuses come form none other then Halifax itself LOL.

Jim jones

again you have no idea what you are talking about. It's funny Moncton a few weeks ago were capmplaining about this very circumstance saying they have slow ticket sales because the market is saturated this summer.

I think you have that backwards Jonesy lol. Moncton has a long way to go before it can even compare to Halifax in any way.

So who had the first 10,000 seat arena in the martimes, who has the amphitheater that had the stones first, who will have a 10,000 plus seat stadium first .
Answer moncton. Halifax always plays catch up.

Jim jones

Halifax has the only 10,000 seat arena in the Maritimes. Monton still doesn't. Yet again you don't know what you're talking about. Go to bed you old fart!

I suggest you get to bed, I didn't think the seniors centre staff let you folks stay up this late and putter around. Please, just keep your 'pro-moncton/rub Halifax's face in the mud' to yourself, its pointless to even come on here in all honesty as you know you'll say something that will piss one of us off, hence resulting in a big argument.

We get your point, we understood several months ago...you don't like Halifax....plain and simple. This forum would be a far more creative, and expressionable place if you weren't here to critique the crap out of everyone's idea's. So what, it may seem impossible/nearly impossible to you, doesn't mean you have to crash them into the ground.

If you want to get at me for any of this, or any of you for anything, please contact me on MSN messenger farmer_guy_2000@hotmail.com

Patrick Helliwell


Are you one of those farmers from bedford who just drives an SUV with Farm plates on it to get tax free gas LOL. Too funny the only thing I think they could grow in bedford is moss on granite LOL

jim jones

So who had the first 10,000 seat arena in the martimes, who has the amphitheater that had the stones first, who will have a 10,000 plus seat stadium first .
Answer moncton. Halifax always plays catch up.

Jim jones

I'd like to know where this 10,000 seat arena is in Moncton, and also so what if they had the stones first? Nobody would have expected Halifax to get it the following year, but somehow we did it, which was probably a harder feat than getting them in Moncton.

Halifax has the only 10,000 seat arena in the Maritimes. Monton still doesn't. Yet again you don't know what you're talking about. Go to bed you old fart!
Ah no the moncton colusseum is 10,000 seat and was build in 1973 or 5 years before the metro centre.

jim jones

Ah no the moncton colusseum is 10,000 seat and was build in 1973 or 5 years before the metro centre.

jim jones

actually its only around 7500....

Ah no the moncton colusseum is 10,000 seat and was build in 1973 or 5 years before the metro centre.

jim jones


The Monton Colusseum is only 6,000 at the most. Again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Are you one of those farmers from bedford who just drives an SUV with Farm plates on it to get tax free gas LOL. Too funny the only thing I think they could grow in bedford is moss on granite LOL

jim jones

Actually no, I'm a 19 year old high school graduate currently working full time to pay my tuition to get into the University of Alberta to get a degree in weathercasting and meterology, I don't drive an SUV, I drive a Hyundai Elantra, or take the bus, I live in Dartmouth, and love it. I don't cheap out on taxes, I pay them like everyone else, and whoop de doo about Bedford, I don't live there, so I really couldn't care less about what or what not they could grow.

Also, FYI, the Moncton Coliseum has a capacity of 7000.

-Patrick Helliwell

Bedsides Moncton getting the Stones when else has Halifax palyed catch up. If anything it is the other way around. At Stones was only a concert Barrie Ont which is only around 100,000 people gets biggger concerts than Toronto at times.

"Yes Halifax is such an economic engine for Atlantic Canada that housing construction is way up in nova scotia but it is somewheres south in the provinces of PEI , New Brunswick and Newfoundland."

What are you talking about here Jim?

I think he's attempting at a creative metaphor for development being lower and negative in other places in Atlantic Canada, "south of whatever bla bla" in any case...failed miserably.

Helliwell

I think he's attempting at a creative metaphor for development being lower and negative in other places in Atlantic Canada, "south of whatever bla bla" in any case...failed miserably.

Helliwell


Heres a metaphor for yah

A rolling stone gathers no moss. LOL Especially in Halifax or Bedford for that matter
jim jones

Why does it matter if Moncton gets a 10,000 seat stadium first? What real use does a 10,000 seat stadium have? Wouldn't be enough for a CFL team or even a Rolling Stones concert. Halifax will get a 25,000-50,000 seat stadium first, though.

Heres a metaphor for yah

A rolling stone gathers no moss. LOL Especially in Halifax or Bedford for that matter
jim jones

Okay, so what I'm getting out of this one, is that....they won't be sitting idle....they will be putting on a thoroughly awesome concert?

Maybe you should stick to complaining and not trying to make things up...oh wait...its the same thing for you, haha. Ooops, bad call by me there.

Also...good call by bluenoser. Too true, and it will happen.

Patrick Helliwell

I dont post much on forums and I guess this is why..... I cant stand listening to sawed off 19 and 20 year olds who think they know everything. Act your age and stop hiding behind your key boards. Post something worth reading about.

I dont post much on forums and I guess this is why..... I cant stand listening to sawed off 19 and 20 year olds who think they know everything. Act your age and stop hiding behind your key boards. Post something worth reading about.

Okay, #1 I don't know everything, #2 I don't claim I know everything nor will I ever do so, #3 I am acting my age, although I will admit I do throw a couple of very chidlish comments in every so often, and I admit to it...everyone does whether they like to admit it or not, fact. #4 I'm not hiding behind my keyboard, I'm expressing myself here how I feel, as is Wishblade, HaliGuy, Jones, yourself and everyone else, we are all equals on this forum and we choose to say what we say, however we may say it, mature or sometimes not, and I would be more than happy to meet you in person if you really wish do discuss something in depth and in person, last if you don't want to see and hear about it, plain and simple...don't read it.

Patrick Helliwell

Why does it matter if Moncton gets a 10,000 seat stadium first? What real use does a 10,000 seat stadium have? Wouldn't be enough for a CFL team or even a Rolling Stones concert. Halifax will get a 25,000-50,000 seat stadium first, though.

Thing is bluenoser aside from a debate on the commonwealth games Actually I could support a stadium in Halifax and I stated that to wishblade a while ago.
The problem in Halifax is that you really have some city administrators and civic officials that beleive ever single piece of the city has to be wrapped up in taxpayer funding.

This evening I was too riverside Speedway outside Antigonish. The stock car track has been upgraded to modern standards after years of no maitainance . The track increased the capacity by 50 percent from 4000 seats to 8000 . The cost of the upgrade was 2 million dollars plus. Not one single penny was federal , provincial or municipal money. It was all John Chisholm who owns the Track , Owns Pioneer Coal , Owns
Nova Construction and owns 20 percent sahre in the toll highway that every truck and car uses to go from Halifax to Moncton and beyond.
Tonite it was a record for attendance for a stock car race in the atlantic canada region with the carquest pro stock series having over 8000 go thru the gates paying up to 30 dollars a head.

It is not only the people of northern nova scotia and cape breton who turned out . It was also New Brunswick and HRM fans .

I heard Alex J Walling complain about how moncton and summerside have such great baseball fields on the CJCH openline show on friday. People like Alex dont seem to get that these communities got federal fundign but not the whole prtion was federal funding which is what the CWG committee and the HRM regional council would liek or absolutely need.

Until the HRM can finish a north commons baseball diamond to nova scotia senoir baseball league standards they really have to step back from the grand schemes.

jim jones

Thing is bluenoser aside from a debate on the commonwealth games Actually I could support a stadium in Halifax and I stated that to wishblade a while ago.
The problem in Halifax is that you really have some city administrators and civic officials that beleive ever single piece of the city has to be wrapped up in taxpayer funding.

This evening I was too riverside Speedway outside Antigonish. The stock car track has been upgraded to modern standards after years of no maitainance . The track increased the capacity by 50 percent from 4000 seats to 8000 . The cost of the upgrade was 2 million dollars plus. Not one single penny was federal , provincial or municipal money. It was all John Chisholm who owns the Track , Owns Pioneer Coal , Owns
Nova Construction and owns 20 percent sahre in the toll highway that every truck and car uses to go from Halifax to Moncton and beyond.
Tonite it was a record for attendance for a stock car race in the atlantic canada region with the carquest pro stock series having over 8000 go thru the gates paying up to 30 dollars a head.

It is not only the people of northern nova scotia and cape breton who turned out . It was also New Brunswick and HRM fans .

I heard Alex J Walling complain about how moncton and summerside have such great baseball fields on the CJCH openline show on friday. People like Alex dont seem to get that these communities got federal fundign but not the whole prtion was federal funding which is what the CWG committee and the HRM regional council would liek or absolutely need.

Until the HRM can finish a north commons baseball diamond to nova scotia senoir baseball league standards they really have to step back from the grand schemes.

jim jones

Totally understandable where you are coming from here Jim, but you see, thats the thing, the only reason he funded it himself, is because it only cost 2 million dollars, it's way out of the HRM,....its a race track....and only people really from atlantic Canada will be utilising the place.

Thing is with the CWG facilities, much bigger, more expensive and the entire world will be utilising the space, whether for participation, or viewing, there will be a lot more benefit to the government assistance with this, I know your not terribly fond of us saying stuff like this, but thats just my opinion on it....now if we are going to be continuing this debate, please move it into the correct thread, as this is for our beloved Stones concert issues.

Helliwell

Jim is willfully ignorant of the difference between Halifax and small towns around the region. There's not much point in replying to him.

If Moncton is leading the way then why don't you start up a Moncton construction thread? How about a New Glasgow construction thread? Anybody putting up a new fence these days?

Reality check Haligonian, Every town in the Atlantic provinces is a small region.... I just wish things where more constructive in the atlantic section.

so who started this trend ME. The commonwealth games has no international attention drawn to it of an large numbers . The foriegn traveller visits to Melbournes Airport both during and prior to the melbourne CWG's went in the opposite direction of what was predicted.
The Foriegn Visits were predicted to increase by 45,000 . The number of visits dropped by 15,000 compared to the same period in 2005. In regards to international exposure it was not until the 10 th and 11th hours that Asia , India and Canada even signed on to broadcast the commonwealth games from melbourne. The CWG's this year could have been blacked out for much of the commonwealth including canada.

As to the Race Track you start getting away from dependance of different levels of government and things happen. The chisholms have been at business for a very long time. john chisholm even sold the mountain used for the rock to buiild the canso causway to the US company martin marietta. 2 million is not much money for one of the richest persons in the province.

The lesson to be learned is people will pay for the real culture of nova scotia which is Curling , Ice Hockey , Stock Car Racing and Bingo .
It is only the government that wants the citizens to invest in something as obscure as Lawn Bowling , Net Ball , Rugby and an Indoor velodrome that are required to host a commonwealth games in Halifax.

300 million into a busch grand national track in the HRM would yield more benefits to toursim and exposure internationally then a commonwealth games


Jim jones

I know about 10 times as many people who play rugby as I do who curl... it's pretty arbitrary to say that curling is part of NS culture and rugby is not. I also do not know a single person who drives a stock car. If any of my friends went to a NASCAR type race it would be because they saw Talladega Nights and not because it's engrained in their Nova Scotian culture.

Bingo and stock car racing are the real culture of Nova Scotia!? Wait, how many race tracks are there in the province? Jim, I've never been to EITHER event and neither has 90% of the people I know. Are you sure you live here? Maybe it's popular in Pictou or something.

I know about 10 times as many people who play rugby as I do who curl... it's pretty arbitrary to say that curling is part of NS culture and rugby is not. I also do not know a single person who drives a stock car. If any of my friends went to a NASCAR type race it would be because they saw Talladega Nights and not because it's engrained in their Nova Scotian culture.

Well it is probably the circle of friends you have and I know you have mentioned your trip to new glasgow for the rugby game . Lets put it this way how many rugby only fields in nova scotia have a minimum of 4000 seats and have atleast 40 percent of those seats sold at 15 dollars a head for every event held? When you get into the pro stock races or our closest thing to nascar you are looking at 100 percent sold out evenings with people paying 25 dollars a head. In the case of the race on saturday there was over 8000 paying 25 dollars a head in antigonish. Ironically the turn out for that race was about double the population. When I was at the track I hardly saw anyone from the new glasgow area. I asked the people I knew who are race fans if they went and most skipped this race because they thought the crowds would be too large.
The drivers and crews dont make big money at all and actually usually have compnaies of their own subsidizing their operations.

Rugby certainly has a following by not to the extent of curling, hockey and stock car racing. Talladega Nights has no real effect on the sport here in nova scotia as Riverside was built in 1968 and patterned off the Nascar track at Bristol Tennessee for the high banking. Bristol of course has expanded from 20000 seats in 1964 to over 130,000 seats today. The difference between Bristol and Riverside is shorter straightaways making riverside 3/8 of a mile and Bristol 1/2 mile. Riverside was in existance pre the commerical sponsorship boom of stock car racing in north america and their opening day in 1968 was attended by the same amount of people at the carquest stock car race on saturday.

I beleive that riverside will probably expand their capacity if the last two races of the season go well. The last race of the season which will see the PASS series (which is a step further towards nascar)from New England come to the track.
heres a link to a photo gallery of the weekends events and the construction
http://www.checkerstowreckers.com/events06/pst_riverside_aug19/gallery.html

jim jones

Bingo and stock car racing are the real culture of Nova Scotia!? Wait, how many race tracks are there in the province? Jim, I've never been to EITHER event and neither has 90% of the people I know. Are you sure you live here? Maybe it's popular in Pictou or something.

Pretty popular in halifax as well really . scotia speedway certainly has great attendance. So how many stores sell merchantdizing for Rugby in metro?
And can you get the great rugby teams of england or anywheres merch at an irving or wal mart?
I know of atleast two Nascar exclusive Merch stores in metro. over 8000 people or what goes to an average mooseheads hockey games were in james river for the opening race of the new Riverside.

jim jones

Pretty popular in halifax as well really . scotia speedway certainly has great attendance. So how many stores sell merchantdizing for Rugby in metro?
And can you get the great rugby teams of england or anywheres merch at an irving or wal mart?
I know of atleast two Nascar exclusive Merch stores in metro. over 8000 people or what goes to an average mooseheads hockey games were in james river for the opening race of the new Riverside.

jim jones

I'll be honest too, I dont know anybody, nor does anybody I know, know anyone who watches NASCAR or any racing at all. I really don't think its that big around here at all. it must just be a select crowd.

I have never meet anyone in Nova Scotia into NSCAR. I'm sure there's people into it here, but I don't think its a huge sport in N.S. no more than Rugby thats for sure.

I can say I enjoy watching the occasional Formula One race...none of that nascar BS...drive around in circles for hours on end? whats the point...at least in formula one, the driver has the ability and the option to turn right....

As far as...well...None of my friends watche nascar..one of my coworkers does....but I dont consider them a personal friend....

I think its more of a de-evolved taste...

Helliwell

I can say I enjoy watching the occasional Formula One race...none of that nascar BS...drive around in circles for hours on end? whats the point...at least in formula one, the driver has the ability and the option to turn right....

As far as...well...None of my friends watche nascar..one of my coworkers does....but I dont consider them a personal friend....

I think its more of a de-evolved taste...

Helliwell

Well I can say this I am a huge Formula ONe fan but nothing is as boring as Formula 1 . It has been Ferrari and micheal schemaker for the last 6 years with the exception of fernando alonso last year. A 30 to 45 second lead is usually and you hardly see any change of the lead on the track . 30 second to 45 seconds is usually the lenght of time from the last guy of the lead lap to the leader in nascar. When there is a change in what team is dominate in F1 no one really can compete. 1996-97 williams 1998- 1999 mac laren 2000-2004 ferrari.

Between the country concert in moncton having 40,000 people and riverside at over 8000 people on the same day it shows the strength of the stock car racing and country music in the maritimes. I am sure both those audiences overlap LOL. Of course that will be part of the excuse if the stones dont sell out in halifax LOL along with sarah harmer, the huskies game, the film festival and the NHL hockey games.

There is certainly a great deal on the HRM entertainment plate and not selling out for the stones would really not reflect on the city or the band. At least shelbeyville was wise enough to switch the Pro Stock race from Shediac to riverside avoiding competition clashes. Halifax would never think of that LOL after all it is the taxpayers money they are spending to catch up with both moncton and glasgow scotland. LOL

jim jones

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I still dont understand your mentality as far as Moncton being ahead of Halifax. Halifax is much further ahead as far as entertainment and development go. I dont see any highrises, or much anything really going up in Moncton when I see it, which is usually atleast a couple times a year. And the rolling stones selling out in Moncton doesnt even start to change this argument. it was only 1 event. And Halifax has held concerts ranging from crowds of 30,000 to 60,000 on citadel hill on a few occasions.

Halifax has a lot more concerts and bands come in the run of a year than does Moncton. Any given weekend there always interesting bands from Montreal Toronto Vancouver and all over that come here to play. Thigs Like the Halifax pop explosion brings bands form all over the world.

Also, Halifax actaully has its own music scene which is known across the country for. There has been many bands and artist based or started here

The newest MuchMusic VJ stated recently that she's travelled across Canada and she thinks Halifax has the best music scene in the country. I don't remember where she's from but she did mention that it was her first time visiting Halifax. She also sticks out in my memory as being the first person that I heard mention "Snakes on a Plane" lol

I still dont understand your mentality as far as Moncton being ahead of Halifax. Halifax is much further ahead as far as entertainment and development go. I dont see any highrises, or much anything really going up in Moncton when I see it, which is usually atleast a couple times a year. And the rolling stones selling out in Moncton doesnt even start to change this argument. it was only 1 event. And Halifax has held concerts ranging from crowds of 30,000 to 60,000 on citadel hill on a few occasions.

I think when you have a place like moncton doing it first and then halifax following the lead then that really shows who is the inovator and who is the imitator. As to High rises going up well a 1 percent vacancy rate for rental and condo housing accounts for most of that . If you have the a good demand to supply rental units then there will be real estate speculation. You dont really see the same with Office towers in Halifax. Although you have the twin towers project and others. The construction growth in Halifax is mostly residential which at a 1 percent vacancy rate in the HRM is not as risky as building an office tower on spec.

Moncton has the outdoor concert facility and with the 40,000 people that were at the Brooke and Dunn/ Alan Jackson show in moncton I can see moncton continueing to lead the way. I would not doubt the civic promoters in halifax desire something to counter monctons sucess last weekend.
Even with the stock car race in antigonish and its sucess there is talk of what scotia speedway at the halifax airport is to do to counter what is being heralded as the best stock car track in canada.

Next year I can see two major shows in moncton at magnetic hill .
A country show and probably AC DC as they are due for a new album and tour . With the stones attendance figures last year I am sure AC Dc's people have taken note.

Halifax does not really have that liberty because they dont have a dedicated outdoor venue like monctons.

Oh by the way please name the show that had 60,000 on citidel hill? I know Nickelback was in the neighboorhood of 15 to 17 thousand and that comes from a friend of mine who coordinated the show. If Citidel hill could have 60,000 I am sure the stones would be playing there as it would be a more desired place from the stand point of much of your audience being able to sit down to watch the show. Now the stones probably need more room for staging then summersalt, bon jovi , rod stewart or any of the other shows held at citidel hill. If 60,000 attended a show on citidel hill I would say the commons would be able to accomidate 120,000 because of the difference in size of the two fields yet they are limited the tickets to 60,000 at the commons . just a friendly observation

jim jones.

Halifax has a lot more concerts and bands come in the run of a year than does Moncton. Any given weekend there always interesting bands from Montreal Toronto Vancouver and all over that come here to play. Thigs Like the Halifax pop explosion brings bands form all over the world.

Also, Halifax actaully has its own music scene which is known across the country for. There has been many bands and artist based or started here

Very true that halifax has more shows but there is a good reason for that.
Harbour station in Saint John is usually the other site in new brunswick that will get a show that is in the metro centre. Moncton colusiem is a difficult rigging hang for bands where as saint johns is very easy. You have two places competting in the same market place basically for the saint john moncton area. If there is a show in moncton it usually does not go to saint john with one exception this year my friend Rob thomas played all three centres halifax ,saint john and moncton.

jim jones

I believe the Backstreet Boys had the highest attendance for a Citadel Hill concert, not sure of the exact number though. And they say the Commons can hold 100,000. With 60,000 they say their only going to utilize 2/3 of the commons in total.

I think when you have a place like moncton doing it first and then halifax following the lead then that really shows who is the inovator and who is the imitator. As to High rises going up well a 1 percent vacancy rate for rental and condo housing accounts for most of that . If you have the a good demand to supply rental units then there will be real estate speculation. You dont really see the same with Office towers in Halifax. Although you have the twin towers project and others. The construction growth in Halifax is mostly residential which at a 1 percent vacancy rate in the HRM is not as risky as building an office tower on spec.

Moncton has the outdoor concert facility and with the 40,000 people that were at the Brooke and Dunn/ Alan Jackson show in moncton I can see moncton continueing to lead the way. I would not doubt the civic promoters in halifax desire something to counter monctons sucess last weekend.
Even with the stock car race in antigonish and its sucess there is talk of what scotia speedway at the halifax airport is to do to counter what is being heralded as the best stock car track in canada.

Next year I can see two major shows in moncton at magnetic hill .
A country show and probably AC DC as they are due for a new album and tour . With the stones attendance figures last year I am sure AC Dc's people have taken note.

Halifax does not really have that liberty because they dont have a dedicated outdoor venue like monctons.

Oh by the way please name the show that had 60,000 on citidel hill? I know Nickelback was in the neighboorhood of 15 to 17 thousand and that comes from a friend of mine who coordinated the show. If Citidel hill could have 60,000 I am sure the stones would be playing there as it would be a more desired place from the stand point of much of your audience being able to sit down to watch the show. Now the stones probably need more room for staging then summersalt, bon jovi , rod stewart or any of the other shows held at citidel hill. If 60,000 attended a show on citidel hill I would say the commons would be able to accomidate 120,000 because of the difference in size of the two fields yet they are limited the tickets to 60,000 at the commons . just a friendly observation

jim jones.



Other than the Rolling Stones playing in Moncton which is only a concert how is it leading the way. I mean really I think you're full of it. and no, a concert like last weekend would not go in Halifax because were not a bunch of country hicks like they are up there.

The amount of high rises going up speaks to Halifax's population growth and growing economy. You don't see anything like that going on in Moncton.

I don't think the citidel has had 60,000 but I know it has had 30 40,000 a few times..I know I was there.

Very true that halifax has more shows but there is a good reason for that.
Harbour station in Saint John is usually the other site in new brunswick that will get a show that is in the metro centre. Moncton colusiem is a difficult rigging hang for bands where as saint johns is very easy. You have two places competting in the same market place basically for the saint john moncton area. If there is a show in moncton it usually does not go to saint john with one exception this year my friend Rob thomas played all three centres halifax ,saint john and moncton.

jim jones

I'm not talking about crappy arena rock concerts. I'm talking about bands that come to Halifax and play many small venues. Bands that are not chessy classic rock. Halifax has a very vibrant music scene Moncton and Saint John do not. Bands from all over want to come here to play because of our reputation as a great place to play. Some artist have come here and stayed.
We also have many home grown bands because of our vibrant music scene. Bands and artist like Matt Mays, Jeol Plaskett, In flight safety, MIR, Buck 65 and over years Sloan, Trush Hermit etc

I'm not talking about crappy arena rock concerts. I'm talking about bands that come to Halifax and play many small venues. Bands that are not chessy classic rock. Halifax has a very vibrant music scene Moncton and Saint John do not. Bands from all over want to come here to play because of our reputation as a great place to play. Some artist have come here and stayed.
We also have many home grown bands because of our vibrant music scene. Bands and artist like Matt Mays, Jeol Plaskett, In flight safety, MIR, Buck 65 and over years Sloan, Trush Hermit etc

Actually, Asif Illyas of MIR is the person who first taught me how to play the guitar. He's a really cool guy, and he actually taught me before they were MIR. Back when they were Big Picture :P

Actually, Asif Illyas of MIR is the person who first taught me how to play the guitar. He's a really cool guy, and he actually taught me before they were MIR. Back when they were Big Picture :P


Yeah, there cool guys they use to play in my cousins band for a while before they formed MIR.

I'm not talking about crappy arena rock concerts. I'm talking about bands that come to Halifax and play many small venues. Bands that are not chessy classic rock. Halifax has a very vibrant music scene Moncton and Saint John do not. Bands from all over want to come here to play because of our reputation as a great place to play. Some artist have come here and stayed.
We also have many home grown bands because of our vibrant music scene. Bands and artist like Matt Mays, Jeol Plaskett, In flight safety, MIR, Buck 65 and over years Sloan, Trush Hermit etc

Well in saying what you have said yes there is a bigger homegrown indi scene but even when you look at some of those names Trsuh Hermit was based out of moncton for a long time . Joel Plaskett as the person is from lunenburg. Buck 65 you might as well say lives in paris LOL with his management in victoria BC. Sloan has taken up residence in toronto for a very long time .
If you would like to use sloan in the halifax mix then you might as well say April wine is in there too LOL.

So if this is such a great music scene why did the marquee almost close down at one point ?
People to want to play the biggest centre in the region that is a given especailly when your management is shilling your semi hit song to Zellers for a commmerical. LOL.

We are taking about bands here that are not any big stuff as they are running their operations out of vans , suvs and large cars.

When the tragically hip decide that halifax is so cool then you will have something LOL.

As too the comment about country hicks dont really get because under your radar scope beyond your upturned nose is the fact that country show do very well in metro even for some one like a dolly parton who sold out the metro centre her last time here.

But hey if it isnt in the page of a college news paper or the Coast your not interested LOL.
George Canyon is from eureka nova scotia and is doing very well for himself in the country world even stepping up to play the metro centre in october as the headliner.

jim jones

Well in saying what you have said yes there is a bigger homegrown indi scene but even when you look at some of those names Trsuh Hermit was based out of moncton for a long time . Joel Plaskett as the person is from lunenburg. Buck 65 you might as well say lives in paris LOL with his management in victoria BC. Sloan has taken up residence in toronto for a very long time .
If you would like to use sloan in the halifax mix then you might as well say April wine is in there too LOL.

So if this is such a great music scene why did the marquee almost close down at one point ?
People to want to play the biggest centre in the region that is a given especailly when your management is shilling your semi hit song to Zellers for a commmerical. LOL.

We are taking about bands here that are not any big stuff as they are running their operations out of vans , suvs and large cars.

When the tragically hip decide that halifax is so cool then you will have something LOL.

As too the comment about country hicks dont really get because under your radar scope beyond your upturned nose is the fact that country show do very well in metro even for some one like a dolly parton who sold out the metro centre her last time here.

But hey if it isnt in the page of a college news paper or the Coast your not interested LOL.
George Canyon is from eureka nova scotia and is doing very well for himself in the country world even stepping up to play the metro centre in october as the headliner.

jim jones


First of all Trush Hermit is not from Moncton you maybe thinking about Eric's Trip.
Secondly Sloan and Buck 65 maybe living else where now but are from here got there start form the Halifax musuc scene and stuck around for quite a while even when they made it big.

Thirdly the Marque is a great venue for live music and still is but as far as it being a bar to go to it lost its appeal the bar scene constantly changes. The last few years I noticed there would be a great crowd for the show, but once it was over it cleared out unlike a before where it would be packed until it closed. Now it opens for bands to play which seems to work well. There are other venues that have opened up since such as Stage nine which has a great line up of bands every week.

...as far country music goes I am very opened minded with all music but when it comes to country music it's awful.

even for some one like a dolly parton who sold out the metro centre her last time here. So did Hillary Duff, so that doesn't really prove much.

Moncton has the outdoor concert facility and with the 40,000 people that were at the Brooke and Dunn/ Alan Jackson show in moncton I can see moncton continueing to lead the way. I would not doubt the civic promoters in halifax desire something to counter monctons sucess last weekend.
Something to counter Moncton's success? Like a major concert that will draw ~20,000 more people? 2 NHL hockey games, a smaller concert with Sarah Harmer, the "Atlantic" film festival (which is held annually in Halifax, not Moncton)? All in one weekend?

So did Hillary Duff, so that doesn't really prove much.


Something to counter Moncton's success? Like a major concert that will draw ~20,000 more people? 2 NHL hockey games, a smaller concert with Sarah Harmer, the "Atlantic" film festival (which is held annually in Halifax, not Moncton)? All in one weekend?

So how do you mark sucess in Halifax if the Stones dont sell the 60,000 ticket maximum being sold for the show on the commons? If the country show sells just as many tickets in moncton then the stones in halifax. Does monctons sucess last year with the stones then make moncton the better concert market? Myself I would go with halifax from the population stand point but if the population does not support it in the hrm then something is very wrong.
Q104 once had a 20,000 name petition to have rush play the metro centre.
Rush felt "hey we havent been there in a while we are going to have a sold out show in halifax". Well it didnt happen and Rush will never play halifax again. If the Stones dont sell out then the large concert market for halifax will pass the city and nova scotia by. You will get your motley crues but you will not get beyond that.
It is not the size of the city but the turn out and I am sure all the apoligists in the HRM will blame . NHL hockey Games. Stock car races , a sarah harmer show , the atlantic film festival and so on .

Moncton and the entertainment promoters seem to have their acts together by being unique and cutting edge with regards to the stones and the country show . Even the Stock car track in Shediac rescheuled the Carquest Pro stock race so as not to conflict with the country concert. Halifax has to play catch up without an outdoor facility. Of course Halifax has no choice to the date they hold the stones and the lack of foresite shows just how amateur the people involved around the halifax stones show are.

Perhaps is was the uniqueness of moncton being the first that yielded the 85,000 turn out . I tend to believe that halifax shows poorer ticket sales are due to being the john comme lately symdrome.

jim jones

Well, the stones show has already well outsold the country concert. last update I heard was 50,000 tickets were sold for the Halifax show. And besides, if you dont remember, last year in Moncton since ticket sales went so well, people actually rallied to have a second date play. That didnt happen, but this is obviously the next best thing that could have happened, and it gives everyone who didnt get a chance to go to the first concert to see the stones before they end their careers for one reason or another. And trust me, I have no doubt the other events in the city are a big part for the ticket sales being slower, considering people probably had tickets for them before the stones were even announced. Your going to probably have 20,000 alone over the 2 hockey games in the metro centre.

Well, the stones show has already well outsold the country concert. last update I heard was 50,000 tickets were sold for the Halifax show. And besides, if you dont remember, last year in Moncton since ticket sales went so well, people actually rallied to have a second date play. That didnt happen, but this is obviously the next best thing that could have happened, and it gives everyone who didnt get a chance to go to the first concert to see the stones before they end their careers for one reason or another. And trust me, I have no doubt the other events in the city are a big part for the ticket sales being slower, considering people probably had tickets for them before the stones were even announced. Your going to probably have 20,000 alone over the 2 hockey games in the metro centre.

Generallly I would say the hockey games would have a factor on a concerts ticket sales but remember we are talking the ROLLING STONES here.
If the great metro area of halifax cant even sell out a mere 60,000 tickets with the positive buzz from the same tour 11 months ago in moncton then hey the engine of the martime economy is really showing what it truly is .
A false image that halifax civic booasters clearly would lead the world to beleive.

I would have to laff if JD Fortune /INXS , George Canyon and Motley Crue had a larger percentage of tickets sold for their shows then the rolling stones.
The Rolling Stomes are not going to retire because of their age . They are going to retire because of embrassment that even little centers like halifax are not selling out for them . Atleast Halifax did not sign a really bad deal like a place in spain that signed over 3.5 million euros to host a stones show that got cancelled in august.

I think with moncton you also had a city that had grounds to camp on for the weekend. that weekend was labour day weekend. Moncton certainly had great timing between getting the stones on labour day and before exporation date on the rolling stones lapsed. Again moncton first with what is needed to put on the show and halifax trys to copy the next year perhaps falling 35,000 tickets short of monctons total. If only 50000 are sold in halifax then you are looking at moncton total being over 50 percent of halifaxs.
To be honest I am really shocked by halifaxs ticket sales but not surprized.
Just goes to show what could be exspected for a commonwealth games or cfl franchise.

jim jones

Oh Just an update for you halifax civic boasters. I was in the city today. Talked with two contacts of mine involved with the rolling stones show. Seems the ticket sales are so bad that they have yet to exceed the country concert in moncton in Mid august. The sales are below 40,000 but not by much . The stones people are saying this is the worst rate of ticket sales in the entire 40 year career of the stones and is only matched by another western canadain city on this leg of the tour. I would assume that would be vancouver as I have seen good reports about ticket sales in regina.

Question is if the rolling stones show cant break 50,000 how will the multiple events held for a commonweealth games be attended at the same price for a day of track and field events.At least with the stones it is a mere 100,000 dollars investing by the taxpayers representatives in the HRM council. If the promoter had of had his way he would have had 750,000 from the city.With the commonwealth games main stadium at 55,000 , the aquatic centre at 5000 a velodrome at 3500 and all the other venues with events . I think the population would be spread too thin as we may be seeing here with the stones show.

There is one thing to note about the country show in moncton a good bulk of the sales came in the final run up to the show. About 12,000 of the 40,000 were sold in the last couple of weeks before that show . Perhaps it will be the same in halifax with the stones. I certainly hope so because poor ticket sales for a stones concert can have lasting effects on who comes to town for many years.

If the rate of sales keeps up with about 3 weeks we are looking at moncton becoming the outdoor concert centre of atlantic canada and really it makes much more sense with central location, an amphitheater with stage specs that met the demands of a rolling stones show and 3 hours cut off the in and out from the maritimes to other markets in new england and quebec.

jim jones

Oh Just an update for you halifax civic boasters. I was in the city today. Talked with two contacts of mine involved with the rolling stones show. Seems the ticket sales are so bad that they have yet to exceed the country concert in moncton in Mid august. The sales are below 40,000 but not by much . The stones people are saying this is the worst rate of ticket sales in the entire 40 year career of the stones and is only matched by another western canadain city on this leg of the tour. I would assume that would be vancouver as I have seen good reports about ticket sales in regina.

Question is if the rolling stones show cant break 50,000 how will the multiple events held for a commonweealth games be attended at the same price for a day of track and field events.At least with the stones it is a mere 100,000 dollars investing by the taxpayers representatives in the HRM council. If the promoter had of had his way he would have had 750,000 from the city.With the commonwealth games main stadium at 55,000 , the aquatic centre at 5000 a velodrome at 3500 and all the other venues with events . I think the population would be spread too thin as we may be seeing here with the stones show.

There is one thing to note about the country show in moncton a good bulk of the sales came in the final run up to the show. About 12,000 of the 40,000 were sold in the last couple of weeks before that show . Perhaps it will be the same in halifax with the stones. I certainly hope so because poor ticket sales for a stones concert can have lasting effects on who comes to town for many years.

If the rate of sales keeps up with about 3 weeks we are looking at moncton becoming the outdoor concert centre of atlantic canada and really it makes much more sense with central location, an amphitheater with stage specs that met the demands of a rolling stones show and 3 hours cut off the in and out from the maritimes to other markets in new england and quebec.

jim jones


Funny thing there Jim, I've actually got a direct connection with someone at WTC Limited, and as of today at lunchtime (about 1pm), ticket sales were approximatly 45 000, and again, lets not drag the CWG into this, this is Stones show related stuff only :)

Helliwell

Oh there is a direct route to the commonwealth games on this one. Melbourne had two sold out U2 shows in the Telstra dome at 60,000 a show during the commonwealth games . The Rugby Sevens games for the commonwealth games did not fair as well in the same venue for attendance even with the floor seating removed for the rugby sevens. The telstra dome is about 60,000 capacity for rugby games and with blocked views for a show like U2 the grandseating goes down to 45,000 with 15,000 of the playing surface.
Rick Howe Just stated on air that sales for the stones show are between 35,000 and 40,000 . I have been told 37500 approx. by my two sources.
So if the attendance for a commonwealth games event like Rugby Sevens is lower then a concert draw like the rolling stones or U2 in a city of ten times the size of halifax then what can we look for in 2014 in Halifax? I would say about 10,000 very max for a track and field day and maybe 25,000 out of 55,000 seats for closing and opening ceremonies. Melbourne had to give away 7.5 million dollars worth of tickets for the closing ceremonies
The Rolling Stones you have cities are basically buying for shows. Fortunately for us that we didnt get sucked into 3.5 million euros of cost like a city in spain did to only have the show cancelled. THE rolling stones show in halifax may be indeed cancelled as it would avoid A one of the most embrassing moments in the history of the band for ticket sales B. having to do an international broader crossing twice. The advantage to scrubbing the show is going from foxboro stadium directly to the meadowlands stadium in new jersey for less cost, a shorter distance and on double lane interstate roads completely.
A 14 hour trip from boston to halifax and then a 18 trip from halifax to new jeersey with 100 tractor trailers and over 20 tour buses may not be worth it for a 2/3 full house and the hastles two broader crossing brings. Boston , New Jersey , Louisville KY and Wichata Kansas could certinaly be done easier without Halifax in the mix with teickets sales that are not approaching these other cities. Louisville in fact was sold out with hours.

Watch for the same excuse to cancel the show that was used in spain (mick jagger having Vocal problems) to be used if the show is cancelled in Halifax.
The stage is set for that.
Meanwhile out in Regina Tickets sales have gone so well that a second show was added. Gee isnt regina smaller then halifax for population???? Don t suppose Halifax seems to choke when it comes to outdoor events in light that both Regina and Moncton will probably have better ticket sales for rolling stones shows then Halifax with that great engine of the maritime economy The sad thing about it is the country concert might be the biggest show for attendance in the maritimes if the sales in Halifax dont increase to the point of the show not being scrubbed by the band and micheal cohn LOL.
If that happens then Moncton would probably get a AC DC show next year and the country show is going to return according to the promoter.
Moncton in that case will probalby get on the major act touring schedules for the annual tours of Concert Sheds. Have that case come to be and you will see a U2, Madonna and Eagles probably come to Moncton but not to Halifax.
Halifax misjudged and didnt figure into the picture that anyone from Halifax who was interested in seeing the stones saw them last year in Moncton for the very same tour they are buying this year. The very same group of people that made this risk with the taxpayers money want to host the commonwealth games.

You can repeat a tour stop in Boston or a real city of that size for the same tour but the maritimes and atlantic canada are too small for that to work.

jim jones

The funny thing is that country concert only had not even 20,000 tickets sold few weeks before the show. I don't think the Stones concert will have any problem selling another 15,000 tics. Like the country concert promptor said on the news you usually sell about half you're tics a few weeks before the show.and another thing I wouldn't believe anything an idiot like RicK Howe and his whine in show has to say.

The funny thing is that country concert only had not even 20,000 tickets sold few weeks before the show. I don't think the Stones concert will have any problem selling another 15,000 tics. Like the country concert promptor said on the news you usually sell about half you're tics a few weeks before the show.and another thing I wouldn't believe anything an idiot like RicK Howe and his whine in show has to say.


Well considering that Rick Howe probably has better inside sources and He is the guy with the big contract with Chum Radio I would refrain from calling him an Idiot. just because you would like to drive a bus off a cliff in the clothing of a commonwealth games does not make you Albert Einstein or metally challenged. Now saying that I would never call you an idiot LOL Just feel you are a little misguided and blind to whats goes on with things. In listening to the Rick Howe show for the last couple of days I think you get some whinners but you also get some thoughful intelligent people who know what they are talking about.

As to the Stones well you might get a last minute rush but I think the difference between moncton's stone show last year and the halifax show this years is Halifax does not have the uniqueness factor going for it whereas last year moncton was thought to be maybe the only chance people of this region would get to see the stones. with the population of New Brunswick, PEI and Nova Scotia going to a central location. People interested in seeing the stones last year for halifax travelled to moncton to see them. Doubtful you would get all those people back and hardly anyone from north new brunswick or Quebec is going to make a second trip to see same tour with the stones in Halifax. I don t subscribe to this notion that NHL games in the metro centre have a bearing on Stones Tickets sales. If a city of 350,000 cant sell out a Stones show with only 60,000 tickets in almost two months and litle regina with 180,000 people can sell 48,000 tickets in 20 minutes thus warrenting an additonal show then that really speaks to the value of halifax as an entertainment market. Unreliable at best and restricted to the metro centre.
Oh and by the way Councilor sloan the other day said the capacity for the garrison grounds is 35,000 maximum Not 60,000 as was stated by someone here.

jim jones

Hey jim jones, get your facts straight eh.
#1 Regina Metro over 200000+
#2 48000? No! EACH concert has 40000 tickets. So pretty hard to sell 48000 when second concert was announced a few days later.
#3 it wasn't 20 minutes. Presold tickets days before ate up most of the tickets. There were only a few thousand seats available the day they went on sale to the general public. So sales were actually over a couple of days.
#4 It wasn't just the city of Regina. It was the province of SASKATCHEWAN!

Go Halifax! 2014 all the way!

:cheers2:

All the students are getting back to the city and many I guess will be purchasing tickets right before the concert if any remain. I may go with friends (although there other things going on such as the film festival, which I'm sure Jim will tell us is just a pale imitation of what they have in Moncton) and I haven't bought tickets yet.

Anyway, I remember the Jim Joneses of the world saying the same things before the Moncton show, when people were selling excess tickets for much less than what they paid. If they have indeed sold 45,000 of 60,000 for this concert then they are probably doing just fine.

It would also be interesting to compare ticket prices.

Hey jim jones, get your facts straight eh.
#1 Regina Metro over 200000+
#2 48000? No! EACH concert has 40000 tickets. So pretty hard to sell 48000 when second concert was announced a few days later.
#3 it wasn't 20 minutes. Presold tickets days before ate up most of the tickets. There were only a few thousand seats available the day they went on sale to the general public. So sales were actually over a couple of days.
#4 It wasn't just the city of Regina. It was the province of SASKATCHEWAN!

Go Halifax! 2014 all the way!

:cheers2:

Oh yeah Calvin klein what about Halfiax being the economic engine of the atlantic region . you would think that all those new brunswickers, spud islanders and newfies would be bowing down to their economic masters and buying 60,000 tickets up LOL.

It is the worst rate of ticket sales in the stones history and on the verge of having the show cancelled LOL. No not really but hey it is still pretty bad for a place calling itself the economic engine of the region and having the largest population.

Just a sign of things to come for a sports festival that means nothing of any commerical value LOL.

jim jones

Oh yeah Calvin klein what about Halfiax being the economic engine of the atlantic region . you would think that all those new brunswickers, spud islanders and newfies would be bowing down to their economic masters and buying 60,000 tickets up LOL.

It is the worst rate of ticket sales in the stones history and on the verge of having the show cancelled LOL. No not really but hey it is still pretty bad for a place calling itself the economic engine of the region and having the largest population.

Just a sign of things to come for a sports festival that means nothing of any commerical value LOL.

jim jones


Its just a concert you idiot!!!

Oh yeah Calvin klein what about Halfiax being the economic engine of the atlantic region . you would think that all those new brunswickers, spud islanders and newfies would be bowing down to their economic masters and buying 60,000 tickets up LOL.

It is the worst rate of ticket sales in the stones history and on the verge of having the show cancelled LOL. No not really but hey it is still pretty bad for a place calling itself the economic engine of the region and having the largest population.

Just a sign of things to come for a sports festival that means nothing of any commerical value LOL.

jim jones


Its funny how you weren't saying the same thing when Monctons Country show had only sold half there tics sold two weeks before the show with nothing else going on any wheres around that weekend.

Its funny how you weren't saying the same thing when Monctons Country show had only sold half there tics sold two weeks before the show with nothing else going on any wheres around that weekend.

Isn't it obvious? His loyalty lies with everywhere in the maritimes outside Halifax, including Moncton.

I bet if the Country concert was a totaly flop and broke into riot, he wouldnt mention a word about it.

Isn't it obvious? His loyalty lies with everywhere in the maritimes outside Halifax, including Moncton.

I bet if the Country concert was a totaly flop and broke into riot, he wouldnt mention a word about it.

Nope not at all the thing is with moncton they are not biting off more then they can chew. halifax well it is that old commonwealth games obsession that has been around since the late 1980's.
like I have said before wishblade if halifax had of started with a logical stadium plan decades ago they might be able to host the commonwealth games in 1994 when it was a college campus event. now it is on the scale nearing an olympics and you cant put the genie back in the bottle with place like Abuja and Glasgow biding .

To me the problem is Halifax feels they are entitled to a free lunch and that has been going on forever. So what if halifax does not have a stadium I am sure a CFL team or two will fold by the time a stadium is constructed in the HRM.
About the same number of teams that are in the league today have folded since the first bid by halifax for the commonwealth games. Montreal, Ottawa twice , sacramento, las vegas, balitmore, birmingham, san antonio , memphis I think all those cities are bigger then halifax and yet the league failed on them all or has failed a couple of times LOL.

This is the logic behind a stadium ?????
build it for a sports festival with a hard deadline and the cost overruns that are sure to come for a tennant pre or post games that will most likely fail financially.

jim jones

Its just a concert you idiot!!!

No it is the greatest rock band on earth who is on the highest grossing tour ever at over 500 milllion dollars. And these guys have never played the emerald city of Halifax,Nova Scotia . What gives the coffee houses too fair away from the site ???? No one wants to show up the Popes turnout in the early 1980's ?????

So what are you going to do with those nhl or the sarah harmer tickets?
I would think with any show in halifax on the same night you would fore go an less event to see the Rolling Stones which would be the largest event ever in nova scotia. Ah I get it everyone is waiting for the commonwealth games
Scratch Lotto tickets from the 6 49 people form of all Places Moncton to get those out on the shelves. Say you dont suppose that the printing presses for the 6 49 people in moncton would shutt down if the economic engine of the atlantic region withdrew the commonwealth games bid LOL

Jim Jones

Wow jimbo you sure know everything eh! Good for you when Halifax fails and the Stones never come back.

You can be the first in line to say I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow jimbo you sure know everything eh! Good for you when Halifax fails and the Stones never come back.

You can be the first in line to say I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Halifax > Regina... is a hole.

^^I like Regina... Calvin was being sarcastic :runaway:

^^I like Regina... Calvin was being sarcastic :runaway:

I didn't catch the sarcasim...sorry Calvin... Regina's alright...just getting tried of Jim's bullshit.

I didn't catch the sarcasim...sorry Calvin... Regina's alright...just getting tried of Jim's bullshit.

I hear you on that. Seems he has been taking the negative view on a lot of things.

I actually hope the concert does sell out :)

I hear you on that. Seems he has been taking the negative view on a lot of things.

I actually hope the concert does sell out :)


I think it will...its just there a lot of things going on that weekend in the city.. two NHL exibition games, Atlantic Film Festival and a Sara Hammer concert. Hotel rooms are very tight.. Plus the fact the Rolling Stones were in moncton last year are factors to consider but I think they will have 60,000 tics sold by the time the day comes.

I think it will...its just there a lot of things going on that weekend in the city.. two NHL exibition games, Atlantic Film Festival and a Sara Hammer concert. Hotel rooms are very tight.. Plus the fact the Rolling Stones were in moncton last year are factors to consider but I think they will have 60,000 tics sold by the time the day comes.

Again the economic engine of the atlantic region is falling flat of the hype.
Arent we talking about the place that has 4 times the population of moncton???
If moncton with about 110,000 can do 85,000 why is it that Halifax with 365,000
,400,000 (or whatever population you would like to hype halifax to having, the more the merrier for my purposes ROTFLMFAO ) cant match what moncton did with the two nhl games at 10,000 a piece a sarah hamer concert in the rebecca cohn at 1400 a saint marys football game at 2000 . Seems to me those numbers and the stones add up to monctons total last year but alast the economic engine has to provide excuses to why it cant match moncton.

Maybe the real economic engine is moncton ???? I am surprized the HRM appoligests havent blamed the country concert in moncton last month but hey there is about 2 weeks to do that LOL. Let it be a leason neither moncton or halifax are economic engines as we are dependant on what the US economy does but Moncton at this point looks like it has the brains for hosting large events which I consider to be 20,000 people and up at a single seating.


"toto who is the man behind the curtain , never mind that man the voice booms" LOL

jim jones

Well, see if the stones had played here first, and lets say you put them at Shearwater airfield, it would have far outsold what Moncton did. I would estimate around 120,000. And if a band like ACDC were to play, Im guessing you would see even more than that. The fact is, if you had a first band to play each Moncton and Halifax, with the same selling power, I would bet Halifax would outsell without much trouble.

Oh and btw, I found this quote by someone on IORR.org that could relate to the Halifax show:

"for instance in Wichita, 28,000 seats are sold for a 37,000 seat hall. Dear God why do we see that as a failure when it is already the largest selling paid for musical even in Wichita's history with weeks to go AND HAS MORE IN ATTANDANCE than could stand in any other venue in the area? Is the glass half full or empty?"

Well, see if the stones had played here first, and lets say you put them at Shearwater airfield, it would have far outsold what Moncton did. I would estimate around 120,000. And if a band like ACDC were to play, Im guessing you would see even more than that. The fact is, if you had a first band to play each Moncton and Halifax, with the same selling power, I would bet Halifax would outsell without much trouble.

Oh and btw, I found this quote by someone on IORR.org that could relate to the Halifax show:

"for instance in Wichita, 28,000 seats are sold for a 37,000 seat hall. Dear God why do we see that as a failure when it is already the largest selling paid for musical even in Wichita's history with weeks to go AND HAS MORE IN ATTANDANCE than could stand in any other venue in the area? Is the glass half full or empty?"


I do think you are right in regards to the stones matching the moncton crowd in halifax with the right venue if it had of been done before moncton but Moncton is what started the stones drive in halifax to have a show and fred mac gillavray tied the stones sucess to what would happen with the commonwealth gmaes if halifax hosted it. In a couple of very bad moves Halifax has A. bite off more then it could chew with the commonwealth games bid and B. shown that it cannot deleiver like Fred Mac Gillervay said halifax would.

Think about this for a second. The commonwealth games are they not televised? If a one day concert event with the stones cant yeild 60,000 tickets sold and no one can watch it for free on TV. What will be the result of 10 days of the commonwealth games with 55,000 tickets available for 10 days of athletics at 100 dollars a day per audience. 7 days of aquatics at 100 dollars per day ticket cost per person. An opening and closing ceremony at 300 dollar a ticket with 55,000 tickets available.

No one from Sydney, Moncton, rural Nova Scotia or any part of the Atlantic region is going to get in a car for a third teir event in Halifax when they can watch it from the comfort of their own homes drinking beer at regular prices and avoiding any type of crowd. Without totally TV exposure in canada sponsors like Sobeys or Scotiabank will not be at the table with big dollars as they will gain very little for being a charitable sponsor.

As to the stones the same people who choose to hold a concert in an efford to boast a commonwealth games bid from halifax has egg all over their faces.
This whole thing may set the city back a few years as far as progress.
Reckless very reckless

jim jones

just think about this one for a second wishblade. If the HRM commonwealth games/ rolling stones people can get it so wrong with what the stones would do for tickets in Halifax in 2006 what type of result can be seen in 2014 ?

I think some people in the events halifax camp will have to fall on a sword because their jobs will certainly not be the same post stones show.

jim jones

No one from Sydney, Moncton, rural Nova Scotia or any part of the Atlantic region is going to get in a car for a third teir event in Halifax when they can watch it from the comfort of their own homes drinking beer at regular prices and avoiding any type of crowd. Without totally TV exposure in canada sponsors like Sobeys or Scotiabank will not be at the table with big dollars as they will gain very little for being a charitable sponsor.


jim jones


Mr negativity himself has spoken folks. Honestly have you gone around and polled the people? People like you are bringing the Maritimes down.

Over the last couple of weeks I have learned one thing. You hate the Commonwealth Games bid. I think EVERYONE here has figured that out by now. Also you don't seem to thrilled with the Stones concert either.
But on the bright side you sure do seem to have a hard on for Moncton.

Am I right? :)

Mr negativity himself has spoken folks. Honestly have you gone around and polled the people? People like you are bringing the Maritimes down.

Over the last couple of weeks I have learned one thing. You hate the Commonwealth Games bid. I think EVERYONE here has figured that out by now. Also you don't seem to thrilled with the Stones concert either.
But on the bright side you sure do seem to have a hard on for Moncton.

Am I right? :)

Ah how do I respond to that except with my pointing out that Halifax is really not run like any place on earth. I have lived there for a while , have lived in the province practically all my life and I know this is par for the course.

Moncton just seems a little more organized and knowing of its capabilities.
Halifax well the poor city does know how to tie their shoes without looking to mother ottawa. Fred mac gillevray should know better to A. Predict that Halifax would out do Moncton for the rolling stones show and B. say the result of the rolling stones show would be exceeded by what they will do with turn out for the commonwealth games. Problem is poor ticket sales for the highest grossing gorssing rock bands on earth is not going to get you the commonwealth games and in fact will discourage it.

It just adds fuel to the fire that the commonwealth games in halifax is a bad idea. LOL

jim jones

Oh PS. I am very thrilled about the rolling stones show because the tickets sales results are just one more nail in the coffin of a 19 year commonwealth games pursuit by Halifax. The faster we get part of that silly hobby the better we can deal with issues that effect real nova scotians. LOL

Ah how do I respond to that except with my pointing out that Halifax is really not run like any place on earth. I have lived there for a while , have lived in the province practically all my life and I know this is par for the course.

Moncton just seems a little more organized and knowing of its capabilities.
Halifax well the poor city does know how to tie their shoes without looking to mother ottawa. Fred mac gillevray should know better to A. Predict that Halifax would out do Moncton for the rolling stones show and B. say the result of the rolling stones show would be exceeded by what they will do with turn out for the commonwealth games. Problem is poor ticket sales for the highest grossing gorssing rock bands on earth is not going to get you the commonwealth games and in fact will discourage it.

It just adds fuel to the fire that the commonwealth games in halifax is a bad idea. LOL

jim jones

Oh PS. I am very thrilled about the rolling stones show because the tickets sales results are just one more nail in the coffin of a 19 year commonwealth games pursuit by Halifax. The faster we get part of that silly hobby the better we can deal with issues that effect real nova scotians. LOL



Ok.. Negative Jimbo Jones what has Halifax done that isn't sucessful. Every event that has come to this city has been successful so basically you're full of shit.

Here are some events in the last few years that have been very successful.

2003 World Juniors broke attendance records…very successful.

2000 Memorial Cup broke attendance records… very successful.

2006 Juno awards sold out… very successful.

Women’s World Juniors… very successful.

2005 CFL exhibition game sold out.. very successful.

Several Briers very successful.

G7 summit very successful.

Atlantic film festival that gets bigger every year….very successful.


The CIS basketball championships that has been here for 25 years because of its good attendance….very successful.

One if the most successful buskers festivals in the world.

2000 Tall ships brought in over a million people…. very successful.

Future events:

2008 Hockey Worlds…will be successful

2007 World Lacrosse championship…. will be successful

and if all goes well the 2014 Commonwealth Games…. will be successful

Every concert I've been to on the hill has been sold out.


Also you keep going on about Moncton… well guess what there muddy country concert had slow ticket sales too...so did the Black Peas concert in PEI that didn't even sell out..but you seem to look over that....which shows you have no credibility in what you say.

You think that a Rolling Stones concert will determine who is going to get the Commonwealth Games...lol give me a break what a bunch of BS. Negative old dinosaurs like yourself are not respected and will be a sad blip in history.

Ah how do I respond to that except with my pointing out that Halifax is really not run like any place on earth. I have lived there for a while , have lived in the province practically all my life and I know this is par for the course.

Moncton just seems a little more organized and knowing of its capabilities.
Halifax well the poor city does know how to tie their shoes without looking to mother ottawa. Fred mac gillevray should know better to A. Predict that Halifax would out do Moncton for the rolling stones show and B. say the result of the rolling stones show would be exceeded by what they will do with turn out for the commonwealth games. Problem is poor ticket sales for the highest grossing gorssing rock bands on earth is not going to get you the commonwealth games and in fact will discourage it.

It just adds fuel to the fire that the commonwealth games in halifax is a bad idea. LOL

jim jones

Oh PS. I am very thrilled about the rolling stones show because the tickets sales results are just one more nail in the coffin of a 19 year commonwealth games pursuit by Halifax. The faster we get part of that silly hobby the better we can deal with issues that effect real nova scotians. LOL


So if your precious little Moncton was going after the Commonwealth Games you would be all for it? I don't see your logic in poor concert sales being tied to a games bid? Can you explain. If the games do come will mr negativity be out front boycotting, or will you travel to Moncton for two weeks to avoid them?

or will you travel to Moncton for two weeks to avoid them?

He wouldnt have to lol, he isnt even from Halifax. He's from New Glasgow, NS.

Oops my bad