View Full Version : Suburb to Suburb Commutes


hkskyline
July 22nd, 2006, 03:28 AM
Try this to cut commute times
Be bold with transit
Royson James
Toronto Star
21 July 2006

Setting aside solutions to the cross-GTA travel - the Bowmanville to Burlington monster commute, for example - what could be done inside Toronto proper, Etobicoke Creek to the Rouge, to reduce commuting times and cut pollution and other deleterious effects of auto dependency?

Toronto's transportation planning director Rod McPhail says the transportation infrastructure to get people into downtown Toronto is more than adequate, especially with the growth of downtown living and the fact there's been no increase in the number of cars crossing south into the city for the past 40 years.

"The biggest challenge is non-downtown trips," he says.

What to do?

Move, if you can, closer to your work. If you land another job, move again.

Hundreds of thousands of residents are doing that in the GTA. For example, the number of cars travelling across the Toronto border into downtown each day has not increased since the 1970s. And the population inside Toronto is increasing. So how is that possible? A huge number of people are living downtown and walking or cycling to work.

Of course, moving is never easy. For a kid growing up in south Etobicoke, a move to Scarborough is tantamount to moving to Montreal. As well, when one spouse works in Oshawa and the other in Oakville, there is no move that will solve that commuting problem.

Intensify. Densify. Pack 'em in to take advantage of the infrastructure already built. The price of land is already forcing this. More is needed. Do it vertically, where possible and feasible. The celebrated Minto project at Yonge and Eglinton, I wager, will not create nearly the level of disruption and problems the resident community claims.

Go up to Yonge St., between Sheppard and Finch, and see the intensification that has occurred there, while stable, residential neighbourhoods thrive on either side of Yonge. With two subway lines nearby, this is appropriate. Along Finch Ave. W., post-war bungalows on ridiculously deep lots have given way to townhomes and semis, adding more people to fuel transit routes. Many such opportunities exist along arterial roads across the city.

Acknowledge that for those far from the subway, and even for many whose condos sit right on top of a subway station, there's this: All things being equal, most people would rather drive their car than be driven in a bus, or even in a subway.

Make transit more attractive for those willing to try it. Turn Toronto into Transit City. No, not the way the city has gone about it, improving bus routes here and there. Do it with impact and boldness.

In the Transit City, residents would be within 20 minutes of a subway line or rapid transit line. That means taking rapid transit closer to Malvern and the zoo; Rexdale and Humber College; south Scarborough (though GO Transit might be the ticket there) and south Etobicoke.

Transit City would take the present ridership growth strategy and ramp it up tenfold. Its aim would be to make transit competitive and reliable.

McPhail says a travelling future hooked to transit takes money and political will. I say the problem isn't a shortage of either, but that neither is being used effectively and boldly.

"My solution is to blanket the city with streetcars (on their own right-of-ways), but that would offset the drivers," McPhail says.

"Toronto's not ready for it. Congestion isn't bad enough. We're not ready to give up a lane of traffic yet. We're not hurting bad enough," he says.

If we're not going to give transit vehicles priority on the limited road space, taking out a lane of traffic, then get on with subway construction.

Develop a subway plan that takes rapid transit out to northeast and northwest Toronto, the forgotten corners.

Finish the Sheppard subway, taking it at least to the Scarborough Town Centre.

In the 30 years between 1955 and 1985 Toronto built 60 kilometres of subways, or two kilometres a year. Since 1985, we've built six kilometres.

This pathetic record needs to be reversed.

A strong, visionary, bold leader - a mayor, say - would run on a platform of two kilometres of subway a year as part of turning Toronto into a Transit City.

Money? I'd give the city a 1 per cent tax levy, dedicated to Transit City.

On the average house, that's roughly a $20 charge. Heck, I'd pay $50 a year, with $10 toward an ongoing maintenance fund.

Inside Toronto, where you have relatively high densities and potential for intensification, have the political guts to implement a radical transportation plan.

Include a levy on vehicle licences, a dedicated portion of gas taxes, tolls on selected streets and parking surcharges.

Allow private-sector providers to offer service along routes the TTC considers non-profitable.

That would show clearly if the reason service is absent is bureaucratic bungling or lack of interest from riders.

Meanwhile, provide express bus service to the under-serviced areas at the edges of the city.

If the TTC says it is not profitable to do so, then open these routes and services to the private sector.

The TTC can't have it both ways. It can't argue that the routes are not profitable then turn down proposals from firms that want to have a go at these routes.

Now, regarding cross-GTA travel? Still searching for answers.

Tuscani01
July 22nd, 2006, 05:50 AM
I drive from Mississauga to Vaughan every weekday morning and back around 5. I live by the 401 and work just off the 400. Its the most convenient way to get to work.

doady
July 22nd, 2006, 07:30 AM
Hmm... the article doesn't talk much about suburb-to-suburb commuting, or suburbs at all for that matter. It just talks about Toronto proper, and none of it really makes sense either. There is so much said here that can be refuted, but I am not going to bother. Toronto Star is such a shitty newspaper now, almost as bad as the Toronto Sun.

urban 2.0
July 22nd, 2006, 09:39 AM
I think you must have the most sad pathetic life if you live in the burbs and commute to work in the burbs!!!!

Shoot me now. Lunch at a drive thru, the drive along the 407, what a boring life.

phunky
July 22nd, 2006, 10:46 AM
I think you must have the most sad pathetic life if you live in the burbs and commute to work in the burbs!!!!

Shoot me now. Lunch at a drive thru, the drive along the 407, what a boring life.
wow what's more pathetic to me is people who assume that is what a suburban persons life is like and then post their stereotypical opinion on a message board.

Tuscani01
July 22nd, 2006, 11:45 PM
wow what's more pathetic to me is people who assume that is what a suburban persons life is like and then post their stereotypical opinion on a message board.

You know... Its usually the people who try to make everyone else's lives sound sad who are trully living the sad and pathetic lives.

I actually love my job, If i didnt then I wouldnt be driving half an hour each way to get their and come home. I enjoy what I do. How is that sad? The commute is part of my job, it has nothing to do with what I do after work.

urban 2.0
July 23rd, 2006, 12:52 PM
I've lived in the suburbs and commuted to other suburbs to work - and yes it is the most unrewarding life.

Suburbs are all about consumerism & greed. Not about socializing and living life.

doady
July 23rd, 2006, 06:57 PM
Suburbs are all about consumerism & greed. Not about socializing and living life.


Yes, I guess that explains why there are so many panhandlers and so much crime in Toronto, and not in the suburbs. People in the suburbs are not lazy and actually willing to do some honest work.

DonQui
July 23rd, 2006, 07:00 PM
Yes, I guess that explains why there are so many panhandlers and so much crime in Toronto, and not in the suburbs. People in the suburbs are not lazy and actually willing to do some honest work.
:crazy:

Why don't you try to see how successful you are panhandling in front of someone's yard versus in the middle of a busy downtown intersection.

:crazy:

And those damn city residents, freaking lazy twats. :|

Accura4Matalan
July 23rd, 2006, 07:32 PM
I am a suburb2suburb commuter and it is undeniably a much more boring drive than driving downtown.

doady
July 23rd, 2006, 08:30 PM
And those damn city residents, freaking lazy twats. :|

Not only are city residents lazy, they are racist dumbasses too, if you and Urban 2.0 are any indication. No wonder blacks in Toronto have such a hard time, and blacks in Pickering and Brampton and Mississauga don't.

phunky
July 23rd, 2006, 11:14 PM
I've lived in the suburbs and commuted to other suburbs to work - and yes it is the most unrewarding life.

Suburbs are all about consumerism & greed. Not about socializing and living life.
Stop trying so hard to be a hippy, it's really not working for you, you're just coming off sounding like an idiot.

Hogtown
July 24th, 2006, 04:48 AM
Not only are city residents lazy, they are racist dumbasses too, if you and Urban 2.0 are any indication. No wonder blacks in Toronto have such a hard time, and blacks in Pickering and Brampton and Mississauga don't.

yes, in fact werent suburbs created out of the intense love felt by whitefolk for their dark-skinned bretheren?

You can sit in your little plastic coffins for now, but dont expect people with real lives to bite their tongues.

doady
July 24th, 2006, 08:25 AM
yes, in fact werent suburbs created out of the intense love felt by whitefolk for their dark-skinned bretheren?

You can sit in your little plastic coffins for now, but dont expect people with real lives to bite their tongues.


Bite their tongues? It is funny that you should say that considering it is a Torontonian that started the ridiculous stereotyping in the first place. But none you say anything about that do you? When a non-Torontonian does the same thing, then you get pissed, but when a Torontonian does it, it's okay. Fucking asshole Torontonians.

urban 2.0
July 24th, 2006, 08:32 AM
Not only are city residents lazy, they are racist dumbasses too, if you and Urban 2.0 are any indication. No wonder blacks in Toronto have such a hard time, and blacks in Pickering and Brampton and Mississauga don't.


... haven't you ever heard the term white flight?

My god - everyone is a victim.

I don't see how thinking that people that love the suburbs are wankers makes me a racist????

Anyways isn't suburbia all about having your own piece of land - that you don't have to share with others??? It's all about greed and selfishness - I think living in an apartment building with a wide variety of races is far less xenophobic then living in a single detatched home - where you get in you car and drive everywhere - never interacting with the neighbours.

If the suburbs are so great - then who's buying all these condos in Toronto.

cfloryan
July 24th, 2006, 06:24 PM
Thanks a lot everyone for sticking to the subject... Most threads here just turn into one group of extremists (pro city people in this case) criticizing another group (suburbanites) (or vice-versa). Why can't anyone make a logical argument for once and realize that the world is not black and white... and also stick to the subject!

LordMandeep
July 24th, 2006, 09:40 PM
Your all stupid (expect the few who said something intelligent)

i must admit living in suburbia its an easy life and quite as well but dreadfully boring. I always enjoy heading downtown to Toronto because there is something to do down there. IN my local area the only fun thing to do is go to wonderland or go the local cinema or go to Vaughn Mills. Yorkdale is a great mall.

Plus who says Suburbs are 100% safe and everything?? Its a lie and the number of people killed in car accidents in my local area is very troubling and even higher then all crime. I can remember atleast a dozen ftal car accidents in my local area.

People here on both sides how very narrowminded opinions about eachother. No toronto is not full of drug dealers and is a huge ghetto. There lots of messed up areas in the suburbs and most of the kids do drugs.
No Suburbs aren't wastelands, (ell some of them are) but in mine,people actually know thier neighbour and there are lots of people walking and playing and such.


AND HELLO how is Toronto a racist city if so many people of so many cultures live in that city.



Extra comment. Some suburbs are wastelands where you don't see a single person on the street, while some are nice vibrant communties. These are the older ones.

jeicow
July 24th, 2006, 10:33 PM
I find it ironic how this article only had to do with Toronto's inner suburbs yet Urban 2.0 clearly turned it into yet another 905 vs. TO thread.

Oh well *LOCKED*

intervention
July 26th, 2006, 03:10 AM
Yes, I guess that explains why there are so many panhandlers and so much crime in Toronto, and not in the suburbs. People in the suburbs are not lazy and actually willing to do some honest work.




LOL! This just made me laugh out loud.

LordMandeep
July 26th, 2006, 03:33 AM
Well the future in my opinion of cities will become is that downtown Toronto will have many young people and lots of rich single couples. While the suburbs are going to be where family's live.

salvius
July 26th, 2006, 03:35 AM
LOL! This just made me laugh out loud.

Yeah, that comment was megastupid.

DrJoe
July 26th, 2006, 04:31 AM
Talk about a thread that should be locked.

jeicow
July 26th, 2006, 04:38 AM
^ The original topic has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 905!?!!? How the hell can this type of crap actually happen. Did anyone actually read the article?!?!? This is such complete b.s.

Tuscani01
July 26th, 2006, 05:09 AM
^ The original topic has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 905!?!!? How the hell can this type of crap actually happen. Did anyone actually read the article?!?!? This is such complete b.s.

Well, with the topic being suburb to suburb commute, posted in a Toronto forum, what else would you expect. The 905's are the suburbs.

jeicow
July 26th, 2006, 03:18 PM
The first paragraph of the article:

"Setting aside solutions to the cross-GTA travel - the Bowmanville to Burlington monster commute, for example - what could be done inside Toronto proper, Etobicoke Creek to the Rouge, to reduce commuting times and cut pollution and other deleterious effects of auto dependency? "

It's about inner suburb commuting (ex. Etobicoke, Scarborough (sp?)) not outter suburb commuting (ie. Sauga, Markham, Vaughan, Brampton).

camel_trainer
July 26th, 2006, 09:07 PM
LOL! This just made me laugh out loud.

Me too. Holy CRAP, people. How ignorant can you be?