View Full Version : Has Mayor Manny fallen out of favor ?
Dale July 22nd, 2006, 04:06 AM He has according to LRM Magazine. My apologies as I can't find the article online. Something to do with his relationship/dealings with Arriola and Winton and the growing perception of a 'bubble administration' - impervious to accountability.
Anyone ?
dave8721 July 22nd, 2006, 05:43 AM He was never in favor with most of the tabloid-ish newspapers (sun post, newtimes...etc) as he was too "pro-development" and "pro-business" for their tastes getting him the label "Concrete Manny". Winton fell out of favor with the Grove-ites but other than his runin with the airport cops he didnt really get too much bad press. Arriola on the other hand was a bit of a nutcase who just wasn't suited for the public eye. Manny was just elected head of the U.S council of mayors (or whatever its called)
Dale July 22nd, 2006, 05:53 AM I figured that could be the case. They probably also don't like him because he doesn't like the Democrats (although I understand he's an Independent). ;)
brickell July 22nd, 2006, 07:50 AM I think he's lost some luster, especially with the fire fee fiasco and the way Arriola has acted lately, but I don't see him losing his seat anytime soon.
ChuckScraperMiami#1 July 22nd, 2006, 04:04 PM I think he's lost some luster, especially with the fire fee fiasco and the way Arriola has acted lately, but I don't see him losing his seat anytime soon.
But Brickell :bowtie: , my friend :righton: , you and I both know he'll be elected Mayor of our " Magic " city Again !!! :cheers:
miamicanes July 22nd, 2006, 05:12 PM IMHO, Manny will go down in history as Miami's "Guiliani" -- a mayor who took a city that was nearly broke and ravaged by decades of corruption & incompetence, turned it around economically, and made it a desirable place to live and do business.
Remember, Guiliani had plenty of scathing critics during his first few years as mayor. It wasn't until near the very end when New Yorkers collectively stepped back and said, "yeah... I guess he really DID massively improve the city."
Diaz's biggest accomplishment was realizing that the city had WAY too many poor people, endlessly consuming expensive government services and resources, and that the only way to turn that around was to make the city attractive for people with money. Remember, the biggest supporters of dissolving the City of Miami a few years ago were Coconut Grove and Brickell residents who were sick and tired of paying astronomical taxes and having almost nothing to show for it.
Manny's not afraid to embrace a reality that fell out of favor among liberals, but ultimately makes the difference between cities that are economically viable and cities that aren't: rich people don't necessarily mind paying high taxes, or even subsidizing other areas, as long as their neighborhood's parks are at least a tiny bit nicer, their streets are a tiny bit cleaner and better-repaired, and feel like their city government treats them well. The biggest mistake a city can make is to neglect the neighborhoods that generate the most tax revenues until they start to look and feel like poor areas, because the wealthy can do something the poor can't -- move. It's a vicious cycle of progressive impoverishment and ever-increasing redistributionism that all but completely destroyed once-vibrant cities like Detroit, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh. All three cities lost industries, but the truth is, they probably have more wealthy people living in their metro areas today than they did 25-50 years ago. What really killed the cities financially was the flight of those people from once-respectable neighborhoods near downtown to walled enclaves 20 miles away, where they could enjoy direct control over how their neighborhoods were funded (via association fees) and kept up. "White Flight" was due less to race than poverty. The fact is, when black familes buy homes in Coral Gables, Key Biscayne, Star Island, and Doral, the neighbors don't freak out and worry that the neighborhood is "going down"... it's middle- and lower-class neighborhoods where people freak out and flee. What turned the tide in those cities was the loss of their middle class who identified with (and aspired to become) the wealthy, and its replacement by politically-active poor people (who just happened to be mostly black) who saw the wealthy residents as a piggy bank to endlessly raid.
Roark July 22nd, 2006, 07:01 PM To answer the question, Manny won't fall out of favor with those that supported him. Some of his choices will give fuel to his opponents to chastise him. His record is overwhelmingly positive and the Leadership that he has exhibited has given confidence to 1,000 of people and businesses that have invested in the city. That's an investment in our city, and our quality of life.
Canes...you put if very eloquently, and I especially agree with this...
Manny's not afraid to embrace a reality that fell out of favor among liberals, but ultimately makes the difference between cities that are economically viable and cities that aren't: rich people don't necessarily mind paying high taxes, or even subsidizing other areas, as long as their neighborhood's parks are at least a tiny bit nicer, their streets are a tiny bit cleaner and better-repaired, and feel like their city government treats them well. The biggest mistake a city can make is to neglect the neighborhoods that generate the most tax revenues until they start to look and feel like poor areas, because the wealthy can do something the poor can't -- move.
History will put Mayor Manny Diaz in a very favorable light.
rider_of_rohan July 24th, 2006, 12:33 AM Just posing a question here. I do not see any greater value in any race over another, however I think it would be a sign of success if whites moved back to Miami. Is that happening?
MIAMICOOL July 25th, 2006, 10:51 PM Just posing a question here. I do not see any greater value in any race over another, however I think it would be a sign of success if whites moved back to Miami. Is that happening?
I find it rather stranger that if whites move back to Miami it would be a
sign of success! Right now we have plenty of successfull white cubans
and latins or just people in general that work hard and want to make
this city great.
spellbound July 25th, 2006, 11:25 PM I find it rather stranger that if whites move back to Miami it would be a
sign of success! Right now we have plenty of successfull white cubans
and latins or just people in general that work hard and want to make
this city great.
Not to speak for "Rider," but I don't think his comments were meant in a negative context.
In many cities across the country (including here in Philadelphia) the recent influx of younger, educated "yuppie" types---most often white---HAS been a sign of economic progress after so many years of flight from that group (or, more accurately, their parents and grandparents). Neighborhoods that were considered slums two decades ago have been completely transformed and are vibrant places again.
Miami has its own dynamics, of course. The city remains unacceptably poor on a per-capita basis, but it is assuredly making some progress on that front.
Do I agree with "Rider" that an influx of so-called "Anglos" would help spur Miami's economic growth---yes---but I don't think it's a necessity, either, particularly as Miami's Latin population evolves from being dominated by older Cubans into one that is more diverse and (hopefully) more focused on the here and now.
And we should be honest about one aspect of this. Rightly or wrongly, Miami is never again going to see a sudden influx of "Anglos" for the same cultural reasons that plenty of Latins would not leave Miami.
Most people tend to settle (or re-settle as the case may be) where they feel comfortable---among their "own." That may not be as we wish things were, but it's a matter of reality. And it is the same among Latins as it is among Anglos or any other group. People are people....and they are creatures of habit.
rider_of_rohan July 25th, 2006, 11:54 PM Thank you Spellbound, that is what I mean. I do think it would be a big deal that those who left the city because they felt it was beyond saving (white non hispanics) find it worth moving back to. If that were to happen it would be a complete turn around in public opinion. Most people I know in this area still think of Miami as being like a third world country overrun by crime...especially those who have lived in our near it.
Toucano July 26th, 2006, 03:42 AM I think it’s an Influx of educated people, it doesn’t matter the skin color and they aren't necessarily Anglo... A well educated base benefits any city. Miami is currently lacking a strong educational core that can produce new, fresh minds and also lacks big cutting edge businesses to attract those minds from other places…
rider_of_rohan July 26th, 2006, 05:12 AM Who is buying all these condos? That is what I am trying to get at.
BornInTheGrove July 26th, 2006, 06:08 AM Who is buying all these condos? That is what I am trying to get at.
if i can recall my conversation with the 900 Biscayne sales lady, she said alot of buyers were from europe who wanted to buy second homes, or vacation homes.
MarylandinMiami July 26th, 2006, 06:59 AM if i can recall my conversation with the 900 Biscayne sales lady, she said alot of buyers were from europe who wanted to buy second homes, or vacation homes.
How is that benefiting the cultural growth and economic upstart of Miami? Sounds like Miami will become nothing more than a resort city at that rate.
brickell July 26th, 2006, 04:18 PM Miami is already a resort city. We don't need downtown condos for that.
dave8721 July 26th, 2006, 04:45 PM Miami is already a resort city. We don't need downtown condos for that.
Yes but we dont want downtown to turn into the Hamptons either. Of course the majority of the buildings built wont suffer this fate, the more lower cost buildings such as the Lofts, NeoVertika, Latitude, the BORs, 500 Brickell, One Miami, the Mets, Everlades, 50 Biscayne...etc should all be pretty much occupied year round. You can expect buildings along the Biscayne Wall, Jade, Four Seasons, Carbonell & Asia to remain pretty empty for a good chunk of the year.
Verticus July 26th, 2006, 04:51 PM I think it’s an Influx of educated people, it doesn’t matter the skin color and they aren't necessarily Anglo... A well educated base benefits any city. Miami is currently lacking a strong educational core that can produce new, fresh minds and also lacks big cutting edge businesses to attract those minds from other places…
Toucano hit it on the head-- especially downtown. Without better schools and more headquartered businesses-- not just law and accounting firms-- development will stop and what we have rising on Biscayne Blvd and along the river will remain mostly empty shells.
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