Initial renderings of the new Peacock Hotel scheduled to start construction in downtown Greenville, SC in Sept. 2006. 5-Star hotel. 11 Floors, with condos on top 3 floors. Only about one block from Greenville's Westin Poinsett in the heart of the cities vibrant downtown.

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Thanks for that gsupstate.

looks nice

I like the design, too :okay:

Columbia needs something like this, although Adesso looks nice, if only 6 stories.

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Columbia needs more than this. It needs like a signature tower or two.

Anyways, nice renders, let's hope the finished product is anything like it.

This sort of goes with this. "Need for big hotel unmet in current business boom." More info: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060725/BUSINESS/607250348

Columbia needs something like this, although Adesso looks nice, if only 6 stories.

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Columbia is getting a 5-star boutique Sheraton hotel; it will be housed in the Palmetto building. But if you're referring to the design, I agree. The problem is that most hotels will be going in the Vista, which is a historic district--so most designs will be traditional a la the convention center Hilton.

Columbia, as well as Greenville, needs a signature highrise, with that I agree. Greenville may possibly be getting one. We'll have to wait and see on that one.

This sort of goes with this. "Need for big hotel unmet in current business boom." More info: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060725/BUSINESS/607250348
The new Peacock will fill a great need in downtown for a high end destination hotel. Currently downtown, is the Hyatt, which is the largest hotel, very business and convention oriented. The Westin (which is the highest in Starwoods line-up, except W), in a historic, grand hotel. Again, very business oriented, with a good weekend tourist draw. Then there is the new Hampton Inn and Suites, Holiday Inn Express, some B&B's. The Peacock's aim (being a boutique hotel with $250 plus rooms and the spa) will be to attract high end tourism (Gary Player Golf, US Pro cycling tourist, BMW Pro Am, weekend baby boomer travel, etc). A real plus for the downtown market. :)

Columbia needs more than this. It needs like a signature tower or two.

Anyways, nice renders, let's hope the finished product is anything like it.

Meridian, Capstone and the big black box one are pretty damned signature IMO...although not tall enough to truly be "signature."

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Nice hotel, especially on the inside. :)

Columbia is getting a 5-star boutique Sheraton hotel; it will be housed in the Palmetto building. But if you're referring to the design, I agree. The problem is that most hotels will be going in the Vista, which is a historic district--so most designs will be traditional a la the convention center Hilton.

Columbia, as well as Greenville, needs a signature highrise, with that I agree. Greenville may possibly be getting one. We'll have to wait and see on that one.


5 star hotels in Greenville and Columbia? I hate to rain on the parade, but I don't think so. First, you cannot just open a hotel as a 5 star. It has to achieve that status by AAA or Mobil.

Second, I don't see a 5 star going into smaller SC cities. Sorry, but I don't. I am sure it will be an "upscale" hotel and be magnificent, but to say its "5 star" is like putting it in a class with the finest hotels in the biggest cities.

If anywhere will get more of these in SC it will be Charleston due to all the money and tourism.

Actually, this hotel will achieve that status, if things go as planned. The general manager hired to oversee every aspect of the project is the former manager of The Greenbrier Resort in WV, highly regarded as one of the very finest hotels in the nation.

Also of note, Greenville has a 4-diamond (AAA) hotel on Main Street, just a block away from the site of this proposed hotel. It is the historic Westin Poinsett Hotel, a 12-story hotel originally built in the 1920s, and completely restored in 1998.

And as far as Columbia is concerned, this will be a Sheraton boutique hotel being housed in one of Columbia's finest historic skyscrapers, and will occupy a very specialized niche in the local hotel market. I have no doubt that either hotel will achieve such a status, and it will happen in lil' ol' Greenville and lil' ol' Columbia.

5 star hotels in Greenville and Columbia? I hate to rain on the parade, but I don't think so. First, you cannot just open a hotel as a 5 star. It has to achieve that status by AAA or Mobil.

Second, I don't see a 5 star going into smaller SC cities. Sorry, but I don't. I am sure it will be an "upscale" hotel and be magnificent, but to say its "5 star" is like putting it in a class with the finest hotels in the biggest cities.

If anywhere will get more of these in SC it will be Charleston due to all the money and tourism.

While they probably won't be "5 star" hotels, they will be quite upscale and elegant. Scraperboy, how small do you think Greenville and Columbia are?

I know; you'd think Charleston is a super metropolis in comparsion to other SC cities from his comments.

While they probably won't be "5 star" hotels, they will be quite upscale and elegant. Scraperboy, how small do you think Greenville and Columbia are?

How many times to we have to tell you guys their both going to be 5-star hotels. :bash:

Actually, this hotel will achieve that status, if things go as planned. The general manager hired to oversee every aspect of the project is the former manager of The Greenbrier Resort in WV, highly regarded as one of the very finest hotels in the nation.

Also of note, Greenville has a 4-diamond (AAA) hotel on Main Street, just a block away from the site of this proposed hotel. It is the historic Westin Poinsett Hotel, a 12-story hotel originally built in the 1920s, and completely restored in 1998.
Correct. The general manager that has been hired for The Peacock was general manager at both the The Greenbrier and The Homestead....both highly respectable hotels.

The Peacock is being built as hotel AND spa specifically to be a tourist draw and cater to high end tourism. It's not the intent to be a Marriott or Radisson style hotel for business travelers to just spend one night in nice accommodations.

Five Star can be applied to a hotel and not be earned. AAA Diamonds must be earned and Michelin Guide ranking must be earned (the two major). Seeing as the Michelin Guide is put together and published in Greenville at Michelins North American headquarters, maybe The Peacock already has a leg up. :tongue2:

I really like the design. The only thing that rubs me a little wrong is that the interior looks more like a convention center lobby than a hotel. I love the ceiling elements, but the staircase area and lobby seem a little too corporate and spacious.

Seems nice, I've yet to visit Greenville :( Maybe one day I'll see it.

As for Columbia, I'd like to see it get an unusual tower, something like the Burj al-arab in Dubai :) Not a sailboat shape, Columbia is inland, but something different (http://www.burj-al-arab.com/) .

Awsome hotel for Greenville. I like the design. This will be a very nice addition to the skyline. Too bad there is not a graphic that shows how it will be placed in downtown.

While they probably won't be "5 star" hotels, they will be quite upscale and elegant. Scraperboy, how small do you think Greenville and Columbia are?


It doesnt matter...it will be several decades until their metros reach one million. Even then, they will barely be "mid sized" metros.

The point is, smaller cities usually do not get 5 star hotels UNLESS they are a resort town. The Greenbrier is a great example of how a random resort town that is tiny can get such a nice hotel. There happens to be a lot of "big city" money and tourism and resort status in Charleston, so a 5 star there would not be a surprise.

Columbia is probably larger and more important to the state economy wise, but Charleston brings in the money and is the resort town. Where is Columbia's Saks? Exactly my point. If I was a tourist in SC from a much slarger city, why in the world would I want to visit Columbia? No offense, its a nice college town, but there is no beach, upscale shopping, exciting urban districts, etc.

Anyways, Columbia and Greenville both seem like nice towns, but they are still small cities/metros. You CANNOT open up a hotel as a 5 star. You can set the goal, but it takes time. I mean even the new Conrad in Indianapolis hasnt achieved 5 star status yet, and we are talking a major exclusive line of the Hilton brand in a city 3 times the size of Columbia.

It doesnt matter...it will be several decades until their metros reach one million. Even then, they will barely be "mid sized" metros.

The point is, smaller cities usually do not get 5 star hotels UNLESS they are a resort town. The Greenbrier is a great example of how a random resort town that is tiny can get such a nice hotel. There happens to be a lot of "big city" money and tourism and resort status in Charleston, so a 5 star there would not be a surprise.

Columbia is probably larger and more important to the state economy wise, but Charleston brings in the money and is the resort town. Where is Columbia's Saks? Exactly my point. If I was a tourist in SC from a much slarger city, why in the world would I want to visit Columbia? No offense, its a nice college town, but there is no beach, upscale shopping, exciting urban districts, etc.

Anyways, Columbia and Greenville both seem like nice towns, but they are still small cities/metros. You CANNOT open up a hotel as a 5 star. You can set the goal, but it takes time. I mean even the new Conrad in Indianapolis hasnt achieved 5 star status yet, and we are talking a major exclusive line of the Hilton brand in a city 3 times the size of Columbia.

Hmmm, lets see here. Can't speak for Columbia, but this thread was about a hotel in Greenville anway.

As far as affluent tourism in Greenville, three major drivers that come to mind:

1. Gary Player, one of the most famous world golfers, announced he was moving himself, his family, his company and his tournament from West Palm Beach to Greenville county this year. With that comes the prestige of having some of the best names in golf in Greenville on a regular basis.
2. The US Pro Cycling championship. The "superbowl" of US cycyling, after 20 years in Philadelphia is moving to Greenville this year. Think of the affluent tourism that comes with that event. George Hincappie and Craig Lewis, both Greenville residents have made Greenville one of the cycling capitals.
3. International business.....Michelin North American Headquarters, BMW, Bosch, etc, etc. Afluent business travel.

And since the Peacock has hired the General Manager from the world famous Greenbrier.....this guy must know Greenville is on to something. :) And hey, like your note says....if The Greenbrier is in a small town and yet famous and upscale, why can't The Peacock be in this large metro and be famous and upscale?

Oh, by the way, check figures.....before 2000, Greenville, Spartanburg, Anderson were classed as one metro and well over one million at that point.

Here is another shot of the vacant lot where The Peacock Hotel & Spa will be located:

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Gsupsate, I agree completely. Scraperboy is obviously uneducated about our city, so I'm afraid it is pointless to even take his words seriously. The developers have spoken for themselves, and they are not investing $60 million for anything less than the best. In fact, that is what Mark Kent said; it will be one of the very finest hotels in the Southeast. Also of note, They will be marketing it for numerous events and expect that most of the occupancy will stay there for business/meeting-related activities. They will bring their wallets as well, since room rates will be $250 per night. Obviously these visitors will not remain confined to the building, so the local tourism industry will receive yet another shot in the arm to help the city continue adding to the amenities and appeal. It is all very positive and absolutely exciting! :)

There's that show on A&E or TLC where they buy and resell homes. They are located in Charleston, but I think I've seen them in Greenville a few times. It looks like a nice area.

That's a really nice hotel! Wao and it's a 5-star hotel as well! Beautiful. When is it going to be done?

It is scheduled to be finished in the Spring of 2008.

Here is another shot of the vacant lot where The Peacock Hotel & Spa will be located:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/Skyliner25/FuturePeacockHotel_01.jpg

Gsupsate, I agree completely. Scraperboy is obviously uneducated about our city, so I'm afraid it is pointless to even take his words seriously. The developers have spoken for themselves, and they are not investing $60 million for anything less than the best. In fact, that is what Mark Kent said; it will be one of the very finest hotels in the Southeast. Also of note, They will be marketing it for numerous events and expect that most of the occupancy will stay there for business/meeting-related activities. They will bring their wallets as well, since room rates will be $250 per night. Obviously these visitors will not remain confined to the building, so the local tourism industry will receive yet another shot in the arm to help the city continue adding to the amenities and appeal. It is all very positive and absolutely exciting! :)


I am not uneducated. I have been to Greenville. It's a small town/small city. $60 million is nothing for a hotel. There was a MARRIOT built in Louisville that cost 110 million. Its really nice, but no one is trying to say it is going to be 5 star. I mean, come on, its a freaking Marriot, they arent really that nice and it cost 110 million.

I think the development is great for a city like Greenville, but this will be no where near one of the top hotels in the SE based on what I have seen. Once again, don't get me wrong, I was quite surprised with Greenville for its size, but the key word here is for its size.

ANYHOW, this hotel should be a great addition, and any city would welcome it. But when you spew stuff like "its costs so much, like 60 million" and that it "will be among the finest hotels in the SE" is just misleading people IMO. I mean come on, Greenville has an Urban Area of 300k and a metro of 580k. That urban area is about the size of Denton, TX, Chattanooga, TN, or Flint, MI. Do you really think you will get a MOBIL 5 star? Come on now.

Anyways, carry on here people, I have made my point :)

OK. I must interrupt this madness to put in my :2cents: .

Color me naive (although I'm really not, truth be known) with regard to these rating systems; however, the question begs to be asked: what does a city's metro population and the cost of construction for a building have to do with a hotel's ratings?

Aren't they based solely on quality:

Amenities
Cleanliness
Comfort
Service
Location relative to its City's Key Points of Interest
etc.

You are absolutely correct, RT. :okay:

I am not uneducated. I have been to Greenville. It's a small town/small city. $60 million is nothing for a hotel. There was a MARRIOT built in Louisville that cost 110 million. Its really nice, but no one is trying to say it is going to be 5 star. I mean, come on, its a freaking Marriot, they arent really that nice and it cost 110 million.

I think the development is great for a city like Greenville, but this will be no where near one of the top hotels in the SE based on what I have seen. Once again, don't get me wrong, I was quite surprised with Greenville for its size, but the key word here is for its size.

ANYHOW, this hotel should be a great addition, and any city would welcome it. But when you spew stuff like "its costs so much, like 60 million" and that it "will be among the finest hotels in the SE" is just misleading people IMO. I mean come on, Greenville has an Urban Area of 300k and a metro of 580k. That urban area is about the size of Denton, TX, Chattanooga, TN, or Flint, MI. Do you really think you will get a MOBIL 5 star? Come on now.

Anyways, carry on here people, I have made my point :)

Actually, Greenville has an urban area over 400,000. One of the guys who is building it was the former owner of the Greenbrier, so obviously it is going to be a 5-star. I don't know why you don't believe us.

One of the guys who is building it was the former owner of the Greenbrier...

You sure about that? You may want to double-check your facts here.

You sure about that? You may want to double-check your facts here.

I meant the owner and president of it. :)

I think you meant that the General Manager who has been hired for the Peacock is a former GM at the Greenbrier.

I think you meant that the General Manager who has been hired for the Peacock is a former GM at the Greenbrier.

Correct.

According to the Greenville News article on this, Gil Patrick is the former GM of the Greenbrier and will be the owner and GM of the Peacock Hotel and Spa. Glad that got sorted out.

According to the Greenville News article on this, Gil Patrick is the former GM of the Greenbrier and will be the owner and GM of the Peacock Hotel and Spa. Glad that got sorted out.

Just to clarify...

Actually, the owners are relatively new Textile Mogul Mark Kent and his business partner Grant Peacock. They're the ones investing the $60M in this hotel. Mark Kent and his family own the nearby Liberty Building and also Kent Court.

Gilbert has been hired as the President and General Manager of the facility and will begin very soon to assemble his management team and operational staff.

Actually, Greenville has an urban area over 400,000. One of the guys who is building it was the former owner of the Greenbrier, so obviously it is going to be a 5-star. I don't know why you don't believe us.


Man, where do you get you stats? I like to come read true facts about other cities, so again, I will have to correct you.

USA Urbaized Areas 2000


http://www.demographia.com/db-ua2000pop.htm (by way of US Census)

Population Rank (Note) Land Area: Square Miles Rank (Note) Population/Square Mile Rank (Note) Area: Square Kilometers Population/Square Kilomter
Provo--Orem, UT 303,680 102 85.00 182 3,572.7 103 220.15 1,379.4
Greenville, SC 302,194 103 226.54 76 1,334.0 2,416 586.73 515.0
Lansing, MI 300,032 104 136.87 114 2,192.1 715 354.49 846.4
Denton--Lewisville, TX 299,823 105 121.57 128 2,466.2 445 314.88 952.2

The point is, Greenville is an Urban Area of 302k. Also, the core city itself is very small with a population under 100k. Greenville is a nice town. You cant open a hotel as a 5 star. Greenville will not get a 5 star hotel before other major southern metros.

^ Yawn............

Interesting that you choose to look at population figures well over 6 years old. If Greenville had been static over the past several years, I could understand your point, but it just isn't true. Anyway, it matters little what the actual size is, because the quality of living is attracting new residents every week.

However, I suppose the reason we get so serious about the population figures is that the actual city population number is a very inaccurate representation of the city's true size. That is when we have to say just come see for yourself - today, not five or ten years ago.

wowww is a new add to the greenville downtown skyline it looks great

Interesting that you choose to look at population figures well over 6 years old. If Greenville had been static over the past several years, I could understand your point, but it just isn't true. Anyway, it matters little what the actual size is, because the quality of living is attracting new residents every week.

However, I suppose the reason we get so serious about the population figures is that the actual city population number is a very inaccurate representation of the city's true size. That is when we have to say just come see for yourself - today, not five or ten years ago.


The US Census is the only officicial source of population information. Its a CENSUS-it occurs every 10 years. Therefore, it is the only reliable source of information. That is why I posted OFFICIAL census 2000 information.

Census estimates are unreliable at best. In the 1990's for example, Census estimates showed Chicago losing population. When the actual Census 2000 was taken, Chicago had actually GAINED thousands of residents. We'll see how big Greenville is in 2010. If the Urban Area of Greenville is "over 400k" by 2010, I'll eat my hat, but I really highly doubt it. But my point is, don't go posting misleading information.

I am not saying Greenville isn't growing. Rather, much of the high paced growth I see is in the CSA which could be a dangerous strectch of sprawl from Greenville to Spartanburg. Those towns are nearly 35 miles away, and trust me, you do not want them sprawling together more because they are already low density.

I am sure Greenville is getting a nice hotel, but it will just not be AAA or MOBIL 5 star. Once again, if they prove me wrong, I will eat my words.

Man, where do you get you stats? I like to come read true facts about other cities, so again, I will have to correct you.

USA Urbaized Areas 2000


http://www.demographia.com/db-ua2000pop.htm (by way of US Census)

Population Rank (Note) Land Area: Square Miles Rank (Note) Population/Square Mile Rank (Note) Area: Square Kilometers Population/Square Kilomter
Provo--Orem, UT 303,680 102 85.00 182 3,572.7 103 220.15 1,379.4
Greenville, SC 302,194 103 226.54 76 1,334.0 2,416 586.73 515.0
Lansing, MI 300,032 104 136.87 114 2,192.1 715 354.49 846.4
Denton--Lewisville, TX 299,823 105 121.57 128 2,466.2 445 314.88 952.2

The point is, Greenville is an Urban Area of 302k. Also, the core city itself is very small with a population under 100k. Greenville is a nice town. You cant open a hotel as a 5 star. Greenville will not get a 5 star hotel before other major southern metros.

since when does the population of a city determine if it earns a 5 star rating? never heard of this before!! :nuts:

Main Street Greenville is awesome. Columbia needs a lesson.

since when does the population of a city determine if it earns a 5 star rating? never heard of this before!! :nuts:
Man, it really is a UP reunion! Hi tablrock. :)

It is scheduled to be finished in the Spring of 2008.

Thanks for the info g-man430! :cheers:

Man, it really is a UP reunion! Hi tablrock. :)

yeah i noticed that too. figured i may as well jump on the wagon :)

Isnt the city limits of greenville only like 16 square miles? It is the states most dense county and city. You really cant compare it unless you come see for yourself.

Here is a list of EVERY AAA 5 diamond hotel in the USA. There aren't that many. The mobil 5 star list is quite similar.

As you can see, for the most part, 5 star properties are either located in 1st and 2nd tier metros, or tourist destinations.

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AA has judged these Five Diamond hotels across the USA, Canada, the Caribbean, and Mexico as the best of the best in 2006:

ARIZONA
The Boulders Resort & Golden Door Spa - Carefree
The Fairmont Scottsdale Princess
Four Seasons Resort Scottsdale at Troon North
Camelback Inn - Scottsdale
The Phoenician - Scottsdale

CALIFORNIA
The Beverly Hills Hotel & Bungalows
Château du Sureau -Oakhurst
Four Seasons Hotel Los Angeles at Beverly Hills
Four Seasons Resort Aviara - Carlsbad
Four Seasons Biltmore - Santa Barbara
Island Hotel Newport Beach - formerly the Four Seasons Newport Beach
Lodge at Torrey Pines - La Jolla
The Peninsula Beverly Hills
Raffles L'Ermitage Beverly Hills - Beverly Hills
The Ritz-Carlton, Half Moon Bay
The Ritz-Carlton, Huntington - Pasadena
The Ritz-Carlton, Laguna Niguel - Dana Point
The Ritz-Carlton, Marina del Rey
The Ritz-Carlton, San Francisco
Simpson House Inn - Santa Barbara

COLORADO
The Broadmoor - Colorado Springs
The Little Nell - Aspen
The Ritz-Carlton, Bachelor Gulch - Beaver Creek new in 2006

CONNECTICUT
The Mayflower Inn - Washington

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Four Seasons Hotel Washington, D.C.
The Ritz-Carlton Washington, DC
The Ritz-Carlton Georgetown

FLORIDA
The Breakers - Palm Beach
Mandarin Oriental - Miami
Ponte Vedra Inn and Club - Ponte Vedra Beach
The Ritz-Carlton, Amelia Island
The Ritz-Carlton, Coconut Grove
The Ritz-Carlton, Key Biscayne new in 2006
The Ritz-Carlton Golf Resort, Naples
The Ritz-Carlton, Naples
The Ritz-Carlton, Sarasota new in 2006

GEORGIA
Four Seasons Hotel Atlanta
The Lodge at Sea Island - St. Simons Island
The Ritz-Carlton, Atlanta
The Ritz-Carlton, Buckhead - Atlanta

HAWAII
Four Seasons Resort Hualalai at Historic Ka'upulehu - Kailua-Kona
Four Seasons Resort, Maui at Wailea
Kahala Mandarin Oriental Hawaii
The Ritz-Carlton, Kapalua

ILLINOIS
Four Seasons Hotel Chicago
The Peninsula Chicago
The Ritz-Carlton Chicago, a Four Seasons Hotel new in 2006

LOUISIANA
The Ritz-Carlton, New Orleans

MASSACHUSETTS
Four Seasons Hotel Boston

NEVADA
Bellagio - Las Vegas
Four Seasons Hotel Las Vegas
The Ritz-Carlton, Lake Las Vegas

NEW YORK
Four Seasons Hotel New York
Mandarin Oriental Hotel New York new in 2006
The Peninsula New York
The Ritz-Carlton New York, Battery Park
The Ritz-Carlton New York, Central Park
The St. Regis New York

NORTH CAROLINA
The Fearrington House Inn - Fearrington Village

OHIO
Walden Country Inn & Stables - Aurora

PENNSYLVANIA
Four Seasons Hotel Philadelphia
The Rittenhouse Hotel - Philadelphia
The Ritz-Carlton, Philadelphia

SOUTH CAROLINA
Wentworth Mansion - Charleston
Woodlands Resort & Inn - Summerville

TENNESSEE
Hermitage Hotel - Nashville

TEXAS
Four Seasons Hotel Houston
Four Seasons Resort & Club - Irving
The Mansion on Turtle Creek - Dallas
Omni Houston Hotel
The St. Regis, Houston

UTAH
Stein Eriksen Lodge - Park City
Grand America Hotel - Salt Lake City

VIRGINIA
The Jefferson Hotel - Richmond
The Inn at Little Washington - Washington

WASHINGTON
Fairmont Olympic Hotel - Seattle

WEST VIRGINIA
The Greenbrier - White Sulphur Springs

WISCONSIN
The American Club - Kohler

AHEM. Thank you kickazz. That was my point. Greenville is neither a major metro nor a major tourist trap.

I really could care less what happens there, but I just felt I had to correct the boosterism, and then people were flat making up stuff like trying to exagerrate the Urban Area by over 100k when as of 2000 the Greenville Urban Area is 302k. There is no disputing that.

wowww is a new add to the greenville downtown skyline it looks great
It most certainly will add to the skyline and be a real plus for tourism in the area! A brief snippet from an area paper:

http://www.tryondailybulletin.com/news/19358.asp

Greenville is neither a major metro nor a major tourist trap.

And AMEN to that. :cheers1:

While Greenville may not be considered a major metro or tourist destination by many, it is large enough and charming enough to be one of the best kept secrets in the nation, even as it is being discovered by many everyday. :)

Man, it really is a UP reunion! Hi tablrock. :)
Yes, it is great to see so many of our friends looking at other options. :colgate: Hopefully more will find us here. :gossip:

Isnt the city limits of greenville only like 16 square miles? It is the states most dense county and city. You really cant compare it unless you come see for yourself.

26-27 sq. miles.

Pegging a size for Greenville is quite tricky. Based on it's city limits, it's population is small, but that can be said of any SC city, due to the antiquated annexation laws. Greenville County has over 400,000 population. Also, many people commute in from Anderson, Pickens and Spartanburg counties. It is the largest and most significant city in the Greenville/Spartanburg/Anderson metro area, which has a population close to 1 million.

It's really a matter of semantics.

:wallbash:y does there always have 2b 1 buzzkill *coughscraperboycough*

If the Urban Area of Greenville is "over 400k" by 2010, I'll eat my hat, but I really highly doubt it.

More than likely it will, as the Mauldin-Simpsonville UA, directly adjacent to Greenville's, was 85K in 2000. They're probably already connected by now, so 400K will be nothing to achieve.

And AMEN to that. :cheers1:

I second your amen RT! :)

Does anybody know if there is a main website up for this development or if any more renderings have come out yet? Thanks.

Does anybody know if there is a main website up for this development or if any more renderings have come out yet? Thanks.
As far as I now, it isn't up and running yet. There should be a website by November from what I've been told. I've heard the web address will be www.peacockgreenville.com but can't confirm that for sure.

It is amazing to see the lengths people will go to in order to "win" an argument, despite the facts slapping them in the face. Greenville is already a "mid-sized" metro. The 2000 Census had the Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson MSA at around 1 million in population. Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson-Asheville is the nation's 35th largest television market. "Small cities" don't have MSA's of 1 million and TV markets in the top 50. They don't have a nice offering of 3-, 4-, and 5-star hotels either.

Urbanized Areas are one of many ways to analyze an area. They have a way of making southern cities smaller, however, since cheap and available land encourages sprawl. The fact that Greenville's urbanized area population is smaller than Greenville county alone (one of several in the GSP metro) should tell you that it is not a valid measure in this case.

You are dead right Greenville and thanks for the info gsupstate. :)

It is amazing to see the lengths people will go to in order to "win" an argument, despite the facts slapping them in the face. Greenville is already a "mid-sized" metro. The 2000 Census had the Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson MSA at around 1 million in population. Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson-Asheville is the nation's 35th largest television market. "Small cities" don't have MSA's of 1 million and TV markets in the top 50. They don't have a nice offering of 3-, 4-, and 5-star hotels either.

Urbanized Areas are one of many ways to analyze an area. They have a way of making southern cities smaller, however, since cheap and available land encourages sprawl. The fact that Greenville's urbanized area population is smaller than Greenville county alone (one of several in the GSP metro) should tell you that it is not a valid measure in this case.

That TV market is so large only bc it covers such a large area. The fact is Greenville is a SMALL TOWN compared to many other mid sized southern metros such as memphis, louisville, and nashville. I dont care how much the Greenville MSA is, it feels like a VERY small town and the city population proves it. A city isnt made of a collection of small towns. A CITY is a dense urban downtown with skyscrapers, and old, dense, and urban neighborhoods surrounding it. Having nice "sprawl" or suburbs can help, but it is the city that matters. I could name a million towns in America that look just like Anderson. How does Anderson contribute to the "urban" feel of Greenville?

Besides, the Greenville metro has been split up, and rightfully so. It just doesnt "feel" like a metro of 1 million. It doesn't have the sports, shopping, nightlife, restauarants, or cultural amenities of the other mid sized cities I mentioned.

Thats not to say that it cant get a 5 star...even a small WV town has one. But i dont see Greenville being a resort town anytime soon, and otherwise it is not large enough to have a 5 star based on the list of the major cities that have them.

That TV market is so large only bc it covers such a large area. The fact is Greenville is a SMALL TOWN compared to many other mid sized southern metros such as memphis, louisville, and nashville. I dont care how much the Greenville MSA is, it feels like a VERY small town and the city population proves it. A city isnt made of a collection of small towns. A CITY is a dense urban downtown with skyscrapers, and old, dense, and urban neighborhoods surrounding it. Having nice "sprawl" or suburbs can help, but it is the city that matters. I could name a million towns in America that look just like Anderson. How does Anderson contribute to the "urban" feel of Greenville?

Besides, the Greenville metro has been split up, and rightfully so. It just doesnt "feel" like a metro of 1 million. It doesn't have the sports, shopping, nightlife, restauarants, or cultural amenities of the other mid sized cities I mentioned.

Thats not to say that it cant get a 5 star...even a small WV town has one. But i dont see Greenville being a resort town anytime soon, and otherwise it is not large enough to have a 5 star based on the list of the major cities that have them.

hmmm, how many skyscrapers does Washington D.C., Charleston SC, and Savannah GA have? Exactly. You are dead wrong, scraperboy. A cities size is not always reflected by the number and height of the skyscrapers it has.

The fact is Greenville is a SMALL TOWN compared to many other mid sized southern metros such as memphis, louisville, and nashville.

That's not a fact, that's an OPINION. Greenville is indeed smaller than Memphis, Louisville, and Nashville, but a "small town" in comparison? C'mon dude. And city population is pretty irrelevant in this regard. Would you say that Richmond is a "small town" compared to San Antonio? Hartford a "small town" compared to Jacksonville?

You're getting into ad hominems now, and that's not necessary. As you've stated, the city's size is irrelevant when it comes to landing a five-star hotel. So you can just drop it right there.

Yet another argument about the "true" size of Greenville...you can always count on pages of arguments when you click on any thread title about Greenville...boys just love to argue about size.

What's this thread about again??

Maybe someone should produce a new Greenville bumper sticker that says:

"It's not the size of the wave, but the motion of the ocean." :lol:

Yet another argument about the "true" size of Greenville...you can always count on pages of arguments when you click on any thread title about Greenville...boys just love to argue about size.

What's this thread about again??

Ironically enough, about something with "Peacock" in the name. :rofl:

Ironically enough, about something with "Peacock" in the name. :rofl:

:yes:

Maybe someone should produce a new Greenville bumper sticker that says:

"It's not the size of the wave, but the motion of the ocean." :lol:

LMAO!!! :rofl:

New email I just received from Nancy Whitworth who works and pretty much knows about all of the economic development going on for the city of Greenville:

Question: Do you know what day groundbreaking is scheduled for on the Peacock Hotel and Spa? Thanks.

Answer: The DPC approved a plan for the Peacock to be 14 stories tall. The groundbreaking is scheduled for late September, but we do not know what day yet.
-nancy

(NOTE: It's not 11 stories tall, but 14)

New email I just received from Nancy Whitworth who works and pretty much knows about all of the economic development going on for the city of Greenville:

Question: Do you know what day groundbreaking is scheduled for on the Peacock Hotel and Spa? Thanks.

Answer: The DPC approved a plan for the Peacock to be 14 stories tall. The groundbreaking is scheduled for late September, but we do not know what day yet.
-nancy

(NOTE: It's not 11 stories tall, but 14)
14!!! EVEN BETTER! I hope it wasn't a typo! It's going to tower over NBSC, Suntrust and the Bookends. :)

14!!! EVEN BETTER! I hope it wasn't a typo! It's going to tower over NBSC, Suntrust and the Bookends. :)

I don't think it was. I emailed her back though to make sure it wasn't. The reason I don't think it is is because if you count the number of floors on the right side of the building in the rendering it looks more than 11 and more like 14. :)

Hope she's not getting it confused with the Camperdown.

No, she's not. The Peacock Hotel and Spa is going to be 250,000 square feet and 14 stories tall.

I don't think it was. I emailed her back though to make sure it wasn't. The reason I don't think it is is because if you count the number of floors on the right side of the building in the rendering it looks more than 11 and more like 14. :)
When you read the original press releases, it was careful to say "an 11 floor hotel with 3 floors of condos", not "an 11 floor building with hotel and condos".

Great news!

The 14 stories, plus the spire on top, should make an impact on our skyline. Does anyone have an idea as to how tall the building will be (spire included)?

The 14 stories, plus the spire on top, should make an impact on our skyline. Does anyone have an idea as to how tall the building will be (spire included)?

I've asked everybody how many feet tall it is going to be from the architect to Nancy Whitworth to Knox White, but nobody will tell me. :bash:

I've asked everybody how many feet tall it is going to be from the architect to Nancy Whitworth to Knox White, but nobody will tell me. :bash:

No worries, g-man. We know that the 14-story Peacock Hotel would be a boost to our skyline even WITHOUT the spires. And since it will have them, plus expert lighting by Hubbell Lighting, we can rest assured that the final product will absolutely rock.

No worries, g-man. We know that the 14-story Peacock Hotel would be a boost to our skyline even WITHOUT the spires. And since it will have them, plus expert lighting by Hubbell Lighting, we can rest assured that the final product will absolutely rock.
And aren't the airport shuttles for the hotel suppose to be BMW X-5's in a marketing tie in with the factory? Kinda cool.

edit: double post

Your absolutely right, Greenville. I'm guessing the hotel, without the spire will be around the same height as the Pinnacle on Main, which is going to be 240 feet tall.

And aren't the airport shuttles for the hotel suppose to be BMW X-5's in a marketing tie in with the factory? Kinda cool.

Yes, and with Michelin tires too. :)

And aren't the airport shuttles for the hotel suppose to be BMW X-5's in a marketing tie in with the factory? Kinda cool.

Yes. Yes, they are! :dj:

Those sure are big headphones.

What the heck happened to mid-town center. It's not on there anymore: http://www.hughescommercial.com/properties/index.php?view=list&switch-2=1

Your absolutely right, Greenville. I'm guessing the hotel, without the spire will be around the same height as the Pinnacle on Main, which is going to be 240 feet tall.
Isn't it funny the difference that 3 floors can make? When it was 11, it was nice and exciting but just run of the mill for South Main. Now at 14, it will be South Main's tallest building and dwarf other buildings on McBee. It's also funny that all three of these buildings that we are expecting to be under construction before year's end will all basically be the same height.

ANd just for fun- Walter's Produce: :carrot:

^Don't you love the little icons here? LOL

So much cooler than Urbanplanet.

http://www.98eastmcbee.com is the website for the condos for this project but it is not up and running yet.

I've always loved this quote Knox White said in that article about the Peacock: "This is intended to be a destination hotel for what is emerging as a destination downtown," White said. "And there may be some people out there who still don't believe it, but that's how we're evolving, and this is going to be a big step in that direction."

Isn't it funny the difference that 3 floors can make? When it was 11, it was nice and exciting but just run of the mill for South Main. Now at 14, it will be South Main's tallest building and dwarf other buildings on McBee. It's also funny that all three of these buildings that we are expecting to be under construction before year's end will all basically be the same height.

ANd just for fun- Walter's Produce: :carrot:
It will definitely dwarf The Bookends across the street. Depending on how you view the situation, those condo owners will be losing their city view or gaining a view of a beautiful building. :)

This is hot and exciting stuff! The rendering has always shown 14 stories, and I couldn't figure out just where those extra floors vanished to.
:pepper:

:cucumber: :carrot: :dj: :banana: :pepper:

I found the official website for it. :) It's not up and running fully yet though: http://www.peacockhotelandspa.com/

This should be a very nice website when up and running by looking at companies that already use this server for their websites including BMW: http://www.worthwhile.com/main/the-experience.html

-I emailed worthwhile and asked them when the website for the Peacock would be up and running fully.

Excellent, so this confirms what some of us saw before in the renderings; more than just 11 stories. So by the end of the year, these 3 building will hopefully all be started, all be 14 stories, and each will probably be over 200 ft tall. Hey, working on that skyline...

So much cooler than Urbanplanet.

UP hardly has any icons, they're too paranoid about having room on the server.

I found the official website for it. :) It's not up and running fully yet though: http://www.peacockhotelandspa.com/

Worthwhile Design is the company that designed the new G-Drive site, from what Mike deMaine told me. Incidentally, I think Jon Evans, the on-field emcee for the Drive works for Worthwile as his main job.

Hmm... :gossip:

Good point, RT. You should definitely try to get in contact with him if you can.

He is a good friend of mine. :)

Do NOT expect to hear an announcement about the city hall site where a mixed use development is planned for at least another month.

Do NOT expect to hear an announcement about the city hall site where a mixed use development is planned for at least another month.
BOOOOO! :gaah: We have all been waiting since May(?) to hear something. Oh well, I'm sure that the longer we wait, the better it will be...

Haha. Did you know the Peacock Hotel and Spa developers worked on the project two years before announcing it last month. Having this be announced now after it was first published in May and worked on most likely no earlier than January would actually be some achievement, I think.

Haha. Did you know the Peacock Hotel and Spa developers worked on the project two years before announcing it last month. Having this be announced now after it was first published in May and worked on most likely no earlier than January would actually be some achievement, I think.

Wasn't it nice that we didn't hear about it until a couple of months before construction is to begin? :lol:

Haha, for real. Just as long as it doesn't get delayed for two years like the pinnacle and the camperdown have. I don't think it will though seeing how it's not just condos and has a hotel included in it, so they will be able to start construction even if none of the condos sale. If all of the condos don't sale, they can convert the ones that didn't sale into hotel space like for suites and stuff.

I have received confirmation from Nancy Whitworth and the DPC (design and preservation committee) that the Peacock Hotel and Spa is indeed going to be 14 stories tall and not 11. :)

I know some of the colors are wrong and it's not 14 stories, but how does it look so far:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/untitled-1.jpg

-I'm attending Tri-County Tech this year then transferring to Clemson in two years to take building architecture. :)

After doing lots of work looking at and studying the rendering that shows the Peacock's exterior view it looks like there are going to be 12 floors on the left side and 14 floors on the right side of the building. Also, it looks like both spires, if their the same height will rise 20 floors. If their not the same height, then the shorter one will be 20 floors and the taller one will be 21 floors. Remember guys, Knox White, who is the mayor of Greenville said this building would have one of the highest rooflines downtown and he's right. With just the floors, this wouldn't be the second tallest downtown, but with the spires, it very well could be. Were just going to have to wait and see though, because it really depends on how many feet are on and between each floor.:)

I agree that it looks like 12-14 as well. But it doesn't really have to be that tall to be one of the highest rooflines. After the Daniel Building there is a pretty big drop off. I think the old First Union bldg is the second tallest at 17 stories, not sure how many feet. And I would not expect a hotel (even a 5 star one) to have too many ft per floor. The Pinnacle is supposed to be 240 at 14 stories, and I would not expect 18 ft per floor for the peacock. Still, it might reach 200 with the spire. I would have like to see something a little more impresive with the spires, but can't really complain much about this one!

That is a good point, distortedlogic1. I forgot about the drop-off. It will still look awesome from the Church Street bridge though with the buidling and those spires rising beyond the CCB building. The BOA building is exactly 240 ft. tall and 14 stories tall, so that gives you an idea of how tall the Pinnacle, Peacock, and Camperdown will all be. I'm guessing now the Peacock will be about the same height as the Carolina First building, which is 13 stories and 190 feet tall.

I know some of the colors are wrong and it's not 14 stories, but how does it look so far:
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g112/sharp222us/untitled-1.jpg

Did you try using Google sketch-up?

14 floors for the peacock. WAY TO GO!!! :)

Did you try using Google sketch-up?

No, unfortunately.

I think I finally figured out the story on this skyscraper. The hotel is going to be 11 stories tall, but the lobby that is one story tall is going to have the height of three stories. So, in other words this is going to be an 11-story hotel with the height of a 14-story one. :)

BOOOOO! :gaah: We have all been waiting since May(?) to hear something. Oh well, I'm sure that the longer we wait, the better it will be...

Now, don't expect an announcement for at least 2-3 months according to an email I just got from Windsor/Aughtry.

Now, don't expect an announcement for at least 2-3 months according to an email I just got from Windsor/Aughtry.

You are referring to the mixed-use building on the City Hall Plaza site, yes? The one which is to include a hotel?

Yes and yes.

I don't think anybody has posted the news article for this yet on here from July 19th: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060719/NEWS01/607190430

New lost-cost air carrier; most likely either Jet-Blue or Southwest is coming to Greenville-Spartanburg International Airport. Full announcement to be made tomorrow. More info about this can be found here: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060823/BUSINESS/60823003

What does that have to do with The Peacock?

Damn, I meant to post it under greenville, sc development news, not here. How the heck did I not see that, grrrr.

This thing is also taking forever to start.......