Since Daquan hates me and literally everyone else talking about the Twins in the other threads, this is going to be the place to chat about the Twin Towers, what they meant to the New York skyline, how hard it is to deal with the fact that they will never be seen again, and not having to "poison" the other threads on this board with this "stuff."

So let the Twin Towers love begin! :)

are we sure we will never see the twins again

Let me put it to you this way:

Nothing, nata, ziltch, zero, zippo, kaput.

Is it beginning to sink in with some of you now?

yeah i miss them....i remember i went to the observation deck when i was 8. Nice views, good times....

Since Daquan hates me and literally everyone else talking about the Twins in the other threads, this is going to be the place to chat about the Twin Towers, what they meant to the New York skyline, how hard it is to deal with the fact that they will never be seen again, and not having to "poison" the other threads on this board with this "stuff."

So let the Twin Towers love begin! :)



First off, I never said that I hated that anyone talking about them, as long as it's not posted all over God's creation.

It IS good that you've started this thread so that the other threads aren't poked with the same old whining story about wanting the towers back.

I figured also, that the thread that contains pics of the former Twins was suffient enough. Where everyone, myself included, can reflect on how they
dramatically changed the scope of the Lower Manhattan skyline during their presence. :cheers:

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i miss those towers.
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I just posted this in another thread but it actually fits in perfectly for this one:

I got to see the Twin Towers once in Oct. 99, looking from a moonroof of a limmo at night, while the limmo was moving. I can still see it in my head and will never forget. I sure wish I would have been able to see more of them. But at least I can say that I did see them.

However, what they need to do is bring back these American icons. The fact that they are not is bullshit.

Totaly right, those twin giants that dominated the new york skyline for over 3 decades should have rose again, but sadly that wont happen now, the only thing thats going up there will be the awful freedom tower, along with its neighbors.

has any one seen the live cams of ground zero there is a building being built or i think so were the wtc 5 stood. and i know that that building is not in the freedom tower plan.

don't know, but could it be the transit hub there building becouse thats near where wtc 5 was

towers can be rebuilt, of course i miss them, but i feel worse for the people that died.

Of course I miss the towers. I live in Sydney Australia and I was 9 at the time of 9/11. I doubt I knew about them before then but every time I think about it, it makes me feel sad. Knowing that innocent people died there for no reason.

Peace out, Brendan.

I live in Melbourne, Australia. I visited The WTC in 2000 and was in awe of their boldness of scale and style, saw the events of Sept. 11 evolve live on TV as millions did around the world. Can't believe it's just on 5 years ago. R. I. P. those who didn't escape. My thoughts with their families, friends and all U.S.citizens left behind. We all still see the ghosts of the towers in Lower Manhatten but I guess the new WTC will become familiar as years pass.

hey i was just thinking we always say standing tall together and the twins were standing tall together unlike anyother buidling which is standing tall alone just saying a reason to rebuild twins

I'd still love to see the Twins rebuilt, but let's be realistic: the plans are in motion, and the Freedom Tower, along with the other 3 towers, are being made. There's no stopping them now.

Well, at least we can still look back and see how they used to make New York great, because they will never see the light of day in Lower Manhattan ever again, which is very disappointing. :(

I miss them also, even though I never got the chance to visit them and see them up close and personal - like some of you guys did.

But I'm not going to cry about them, since New York won't bring them back.
We all have to move on and just keep the former towers in our hearts and minds, but they are definitely gone for good.

NY did rebuild some twins...aol TW center

The Twins were a major part of the lower Manhattan skyline. I have been known for making frequent trips to them with my family. I could not believe that just four days after I saw them from the ESB, the attacks occured. Ever since then, I wanted them to be rebuilt to defy defeat.

How do you feel about it now?

Sadly, it was the stubborn bullheaded officials who wouldn't rebuild them, along with some of the 09-11 families who went whining on Pataki's shoulders, asking him not to let them be rebuilt.

I'm missing the towers :cry:

We ALL are, but we also know what the outcome is as well.

its like saying if your dream car that you owned and it got totaled you would want it back not differenty exactly the same you would not want something other than your dream car just another way to put it

are we sure we will never see the twins again

well...be like me and have them on your necklace pendant! you'll see them every day for sure.people may looke at you little funny thinking -why not cross,heart...initial...but twins???
well..twinnie has twins!:)

when i was still a child, i've already dream to visit those 2 towers,
but when i really went to NY, which was Feb 05, the twin tower has already disappeared......

that is one thing i would never forget in my life

I too miss them so much.

i saw and went up in them in 1986. from then i on, i became a skyscraper geek.

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i do.

I really miss the twin towers from time to time ......

I miss them every time I see that they are still gone; we'll never forget our brave countrymen and women from that day

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If you guys just took the time to really look at the Freedom Tower and the rest of the plans to rebuild Ground Zero, then you might not think of it as being so ugly.

Sorry, but the plan is here to stay.

That's not the point Daquan. This thread is for people who want to remember the Twins, not what's being built there currently. The Twins were breathtaking, and it's still a shame that a couple dumbasses could ruin such a historic site. Truly a shame.

And it's been five years (almost 5 1/2), and it still kinda hurts to look at the NY skyline, because it makes me think back to what happened back then.

Life goes on, but the past is hard to forget.



Don't forget about the Twins. Never! No matter what goes up there, the Twins still stand there (in my mind, that is).

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dubia will prolly build them in their freaky dubailand.....

i miss them very much, and was very dissapointed that i could not go up them when i visited nyc ast year..just becuz of some stupid stupid people.

wat a terrible way to die for all who did...my heart still goes out to thier family and friends.

That's not the point Daquan. This thread is for people who want to remember the Twins, not what's being built there currently. The Twins were breathtaking, and it's still a shame that a couple dumbasses could ruin such a historic site. Truly a shame.

And it's been five years (almost 5 1/2), and it still kinda hurts to look at the NY skyline, because it makes me think back to what happened back then.

Life goes on, but the past is hard to forget.



Don't forget about the Twins. Never! No matter what goes up there, the Twins still stand there (in my mind, that is).



How old are you?

That definitely IS the point, and you know it. Isn't SOMETHING being put there? You don't like it, neither did I in the beginning.

True, this thread is to reflect back on what was there for nearly 30 years, but Jesus Christ, you can't keep on being saddened by what is not there now. Like you said, life goes on.

I miss the Twin Towers also, even though i've never been able to visit them.

I miss them very much, of course this freedom tower will be built if we like it or not, I will never forget the twins. Every day I think about them and I think that the Freedom tower is in the wrong place altogether, you see New York is filled with classical architecture and old buildings, the Twin towers although more modern at least suited New York. But the Freedom tower does not look anything like New York, not to mention the ugly 200 foot concrete base. No matter what rebuild the twins!
Thats right the Twins were NY,NY. even the freedom towers name is crap FREEDOM, a 20 story base, and only 82 floors, and they compare that to 2 110 story silver steel structures, The Twins were FREEDOM TOWERS.

And umm, what if the Twins WERE rebuilt, and they were both given a 187-foot concrete base and were also 82 floors?

Would you still complain then?

Im not discusing the freedom tower on this thread anymore, this is for the Twins not the freedom tower. and um i would still like the Twins if they were only 82 floors.

I WAS talking about the Twins.

And oh, so you'd accept the Twins if they were rebuilt and given 82 floors, hey? Then what is the dfference?

hey guys i have been to the restaurant on the top floor it is really indescribable because of all the window you forget the steel between them and felt like you were on a flying roof and really cool. Really fancy, just better to see in first person looks a lot different then described so like I said indescribable.

Yup, still miss the tower. I remember a deleted scene where spiderman build a web between the 2 towers in SPIDERMAN 2.

That deleted scene was from the first Spiderman movie, not the second.

Maybe its not so much the buildings as buildings but when I look at the skyline of New York as a whole ???? It's not New York anymore......It's like San Francisco with no Golden Gate Bridge.....Washington without the Capitol Building...London without Big Ben or Paris without the Eiffel Tower......any of those other structures would be rebuilt if destroyed........tell me if you think I'm wrong! As years go by we all adjust to the new skyline but those who still see the twins towering over Lower Manhattan could never forget that sight....and I live on the opposite side of the world !

i miss the people not the structures.

Yes the reality of the lives lost make the the structures a minor loss by comparison. Yet they were a part of the soul of New York....It's physical face to the world.....This pic included I took at the observation Deck of tower 2 in July 2000....It is gone along with everything else but it's interesting to note that such a model must have taken many hours of work and care yet the building right behind the Staten is. Ferry terminal is 90 deg. rotated away from the East River which it fronts....I remember remarking to a staff member at the time and when they heard my accent...from Australia..they said how would I know when thousands before me hadn't noticed so they assured me it must be correct ??? Such a minor thing after 2001, but still it seems wrong to me ! http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8230/wtcnycjuly2000obdkmodeldx4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That was one of the greatest building. I used to love it.

but now......................no more

The old WTC was an inspiring structure the first time I saw them and it had an even greater impact on me when I saw the ruins a couple of weeks after 9/11. The way the quartz light bathed the blackened husks of the low-rises of WTC 3-7 with a eerie glow made the entire scene somber and surreal. Then there was the smell... I'll never forget that.

Do any of you New Yorkers see the fault in the WTC city model ?

^I can see that there are multiple faults, and I don't even live in NYC. (nor have I ever visited, really)

I understand Manhattan was shortenned for the model so some mid town building were on Model..eg. Empire State...but the first tall building on the left is completely wrong....facing in wrong direction..out toward Staten Is. instead of the East River.

Up close an personal...I stood with my hands against the corner..it felt so strong..forever ! No building since has the power of these two towers..most taper away anywhere near that height...the Trade Centre went full footprint size right to the top....http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9129/wtcnycjuly2000jj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Do any of you New Yorkers see the fault in the WTC city model ?
Are you referring to the originals or the so-called official plan?

So-called official plan? The official plan is not so-called, it IS the plan.

I was refering to model at post #47.....Not about new plans ...this was at the WTC Ob. deck....and the building near the Staten Is. terminal is wrong way around..that's all. I just thought for what it would have cost to make this model and it's location they wouldn't have done that...but in the end....after sept.11....who cares !

It was TalB who mentioned the so-called official plan, not you.

Yeah but talB was quoting my post????

Oh, sorry about that.

Not sure if this is the place to post this pic but what shocks me about it more than most other pics is the fact that the poor guy who took it was about to be killed as tower 1 collapsed....you see the Marriot has taken mighty blows by the collapse of tower 2..the shards have just impaled Westside hwy....and as the pic was taken tower 1 was on its way down! The pictures were recovered from the camera in the debri......It is with respect that I post this.............http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2771/55006mediumgg7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I was refering to model at post #47.....Not about new plans ...this was at the WTC Ob. deck....and the building near the Staten Is. terminal is wrong way around..that's all. I just thought for what it would have cost to make this model and it's location they wouldn't have done that...but in the end....after sept.11....who cares !

Models are not made to scale, so that might explain why some of the buildings are shown wrong.

What a pity that this twin towers had been collapsed , I like the structure of it , simple but very majestic :)

TalB ????? the scale of the model is pretty good...as in relative heights and location of buildings...with the exception of bringing mid town into the model. But to place an unsymetrical building the wrong way is the bit I don't understand !! This building is slab sided with a step back on the waterfront side..but on the model it is (was) facing a different direction......again...it isn't important....but just strange how it (the model)was built like that in the first place? http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9098/series2002mediumrk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6836/wtcnycjuly2000obdkmodelbr5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

No offense. But you guys are going to give up hope? I haven't.

I'm very opmist. And I know one day they will return. :3 (Don't ask.)

I only saw them once in the Fall of 2000. My family was planning to return the next year but these buttholes did that.

I missed The Twin Towers like every single day. Sometimes so badly I end up crying.

So do I, and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but sadly, and this is the sole truth,
that if the moronic officials don't want them rebuilt, then how else are they going to come back?

TalB ????? the scale of the model is pretty good...as in relative heights and location of buildings...with the exception of bringing mid town into the model. But to place an unsymetrical building the wrong way is the bit I don't understand !! This building is slab sided with a step back on the waterfront side..but on the model it is (was) facing a different direction......again...it isn't important....but just strange how it (the model)was built like that in the first place?
It is just a model, and it's not like they can get everything to be accurate, not to mention how expensive they are build.

No offense. But you guys are going to give up hope? I haven't.

I'm very opmist. And I know one day they will return. :3 (Don't ask.)

I only saw them once in the Fall of 2000. My family was planning to return the next year but these buttholes did that.

I missed The Twin Towers like every single day. Sometimes so badly I end up crying.
I haven't given up hope either, and I am still fighting for the Twin to be rebuilt despite what is going on at the WTC site.

You think?

What do you think the chances are of them ever coming back?

You think?

What do you think the chances are of them ever coming back?

More likely than you think.

Prove it.

You guys, I just don't know. It's quite apparent that you're grabbing at straws.

I haven't given up hope either, and I am still fighting for the Twin to be rebuilt despite what is going on at the WTC site.

Good! I haven't either. It's still a hole, so there might be a small chance.

I read an article how the "Freedom Tower" won over the people. Psh. Please if they "listened" to the people. They would know should be there. :3

So do I, and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but sadly, and this is the sole truth,
that if the moronic officials don't want them rebuilt, then how else are they going to come back?

It might be the sole truth. But I have something up my sleeve.

Good! I haven't either. It's still a hole, so there might be a small chance.

I read an article how the "Freedom Tower" won over the people. Psh. Please if they "listened" to the people. They would know should be there. :3



It might be the sole truth. But I have something up my sleeve.



Oh. Let's see, you're going to pull a string out of your sleeve and MAKE the towers reappear.

How about getting an old genie lamp, rubbing it and a genie will appear and grant you three wishes. One of them to zap the Twins back to Ground Zero.

Or have Superman go up in space and reverse the time back to the time before 09-11!

Seriously now, how long will it take before it sinks in that the officials have the last word on what is best for Ground Zero?:bash:

Oh. Let's see, you're going to pull a string and MAKE the towers reappear.

How about getting an old genie lamp, rubbing it and a genie will appear and grant you three wishes. One of them to zap the Twins back to Ground Zero.

Or have Superman go up in space and reverse the time back to the time before 09-11!

Seriously now, how long will it take before it sinks in that the officials have the last word on what is best for Ground Zero?:bash:

No. But I have a plan & there's nothing going to stop me. ^^;; I know I sound "crazy." But trust me. :3

No comment, except to say that this IS all crazy.

No. But I have a plan & there's nothing going to stop me. ^^;; I know I sound "crazy." But trust me. :3

Domestic terrorism is heavily frowned upon.

Domestic terrorism is heavily frowned upon.



Yes, that DOES sound like domestic terrorism.

I hope that he's not planning on trying something stupid or sick!! There are places for people like that.

I do miss them ppl.

the world trade centers, are not beautiful, they are symbolic, for thousands of people losing their lives, but they are honeslty souless designs, very little character, it reminds me of a commieblock that was stretched into a tube.

the world trade centers, are not beautiful, they are symbolic, for thousands of people losing their lives,

They symbolize positive things as well such as what man can accomplish and hope for rebuilding and while alot of people didnt like the designs at first I think alot of New Yorkers grew to love the twin towers and miss them dearly.

And the only way that they can be seen how is to buy or rent a movie that feature them in it.

You guys have to understand that that was the 1970s era. That style is not being used for today's architecture or design.

This is the 21st century, and along with it comes new architecture and style. And as you know, the NWTC is not being designed anywhere near like the old one.

Not trying to sound like a jerk, but........, This is something that's just going to have to be accepted.

They symbolize positive things as well such as what man can accomplish and hope for rebuilding and while alot of people didnt like the designs at first I think alot of New Yorkers grew to love the twin towers and miss them dearly.

They are gone, thats the point, 9/11 did happen, and rebuilding them would be stupid, we must move on, and by rebuilding them, we would be ignoring to a great deal what happened, 9/11 changed the world, and it will change the way the towes look.

Right!!

All people seem to do is want, want, want, want and want the former towers back, never even bothering to try to understand the psycological aspect of the issue.

It would not be practical or feasable at all to put those same two buildings back there in today's horrible world.

The closest we would have come to seeing anything resembling the Twins was the WCC, and even THAT got shitcanned because it would have opened old wounds and there was no office space in the design.

They are gone, thats the point, 9/11 did happen, and rebuilding them would be stupid, we must move on, and by rebuilding them, we would be ignoring to a great deal what happened, 9/11 changed the world, and it will change the way the towes look.

Oh I agree with you, Im in favor of rebuilding something different to 'move on' and I really like the new WTC plan. I thought you were just referring to the towers themselves not the rebuilding of them.

They are gone, thats the point, 9/11 did happen, and rebuilding them would be stupid, we must move on, and by rebuilding them, we would be ignoring to a great deal what happened, 9/11 changed the world, and it will change the way the towes look.

I am sorry to say this, but this is one of the most common excuses I have heard to say that they can never be rebuilt. How would having them back be erasing an event like 9/11? Were we trying to forget the Triangle Shirt Wast Factory when the Brown Bldg, which is now used by NYU, when it burnned down? Was building a replica of Trinity Church, but in stone, a way to forget the firestone that brought down the original? By this logic, nothing in Israel, where I was born, should be rebuilt or even used again b/c of a terrorist attack b/c it would erasing what Hamas and Hezbollah did. This whole finding something new to place there was as if they were indirectly thanking Osama Bin Laden for what he did to the Twins. Overall, if 9/11 is to be forgotten, it would not be b/c the Twins would be rebuilt, but rather with time and others wanting to move on.

Having them back would mainly just open old wounds to some of the families
who had asked Pataki not to let them be rebuilt.

If you brought your children or grandchildren to the WTC site decades later and tell them that two 110 story towers that were a symbol to the world stood there and got replaced by the FT or just a memorial, they will most likely say, "If those towers meant so much, then why weren't they rebuilt?"

They are gone, thats the point, 9/11 did happen, and rebuilding them would be stupid, we must move on, and by rebuilding them, we would be ignoring to a great deal what happened, 9/11 changed the world, and it will change the way the towes look. Can you tell me how having had the twins rebuilt would be ignoring 9/11? NOT having had them rebuilt is forgeting. the FT is just a reminder of what happend. the towers rebuilt would have shown new yorks strengh, i mean just imagine waching them rise over manhattan again. WOW.

Well, the Pentagon was rebuilt where it was damaged. I guess we forgot about 9/11 when the Pentagon was repaired. :ohno:

When things are destroyed, they are rebuilt. That's what happens. The Twin Towers were a huge identity of NY, America, and the world. It's a landmark. It's preposterous not to rebuild a landmark. If Liberty was destroyed, we would not replace her? Or what about the ESB? If that was destroyed, we would rebuild it too.

The families, despite their tremendous losses, are asking for way too much. It's horrible they lost their loved ones, but to stick their nose in what should be built on the site is wrong. They will get an appropriate memorial to commemorate their loved ones. That's where their involvement will end.

Realistically, in 50-100 years, there won't be many families of those who died in 9/11 living. But whatever is build on that site, barring a terrorist attack, will still be.

Those saying that we only want them back to erase what occurred is just another move used by the LMDC to give pro-Towers advocates a a bad name. Again, I say it would be time that would make people forget about the attacks, not bringing back what was taken from us. If you asked me, having the FT and the rest of that ilegitimate replacement is forgetting the fact that the Twins even existed to begin with. Really, who is the one that is trying to forget 9/11? While it is true that there are people who lost someone in the attacks, this does not mean that they deserve to have a total say over what should go there. Both myself and everyone else still have a say there, and the PA of NY/NJ still owns it no matter what, unless they sell it. Collaterall damage does not transfer ownership to those that were affected. Back in Israel, if we had to listen to mega-memorialists on saying that we must preserve where their lost ones died to respect them, then most of Israel would be a memorial everywhere there was an attack by Hamas and Hezbollah. The only thing that I find the FT a symbol of is fear, self-grandiose, greed, elitism, and scandals.

If you brought your children or grandchildren to the WTC site decades later and tell them that two 110 story towers that were a symbol to the world stood there and got replaced by the FT or just a memorial, they will most likely say, "If those towers meant so much, then why weren't they rebuilt?"

The symbolism of the Twin Towers in death was much more than it was in life and should remain as such. Before the attacks they were merely a landmark, it's only after the attacks that they became such a potent symbol.

You generally memorialize death and don't try and recreate it.

I dont think the towers are a negative symbol, like I dont look at TalB's avatar and get depressed, rather im uplifted. But at the same time I dont want to simply rebuild the towers. I feel like we should build something bigger and better.

Whether or not you think the current WTC plans are bigger and better is debatable I guess. Personally I like them. WTC 1 is taller than the twins, WTC 2 is nearly the same height as the twins, and WTC 3 and 4 are still really tall buildings. All in all i think its a better more impressive design.

I feel like if we simply rebuilt the towers it would be like we went through all 9/11 just to get back to where we were. I think we should use the opportunity to build something different and even more wonderful.

The symbolism of the Twin Towers in death was much more than it was in life and should remain as such. Before the attacks they were merely a landmark, it's only after the attacks that they became such a potent symbol.

You generally memorialize death and don't try and recreate it.

I have always seen rebuilding the Twins as a symbol of life as opposed to the FT being a symbol of death to which Libeskind has been nicknamed.

I dont think the towers are a negative symbol, like I dont look at TalB's avatar and get depressed, rather im uplifted. But at the same time I dont want to simply rebuild the towers. I feel like we should build something bigger and better.

Whether or not you think the current WTC plans are bigger and better is debatable I guess. Personally I like them. WTC 1 is taller than the twins, WTC 2 is nearly the same height as the twins, and WTC 3 and 4 are still really tall buildings. All in all i think its a better more impressive design.

I feel like if we simply rebuilt the towers it would be like we went through all 9/11 just to get back to where we were. I think we should use the opportunity to build something different and even more wonderful. Ok then if building somthing differant is better then the freedom tower project should be given a new name instead of calling it WORLD TRADE CENTER, that was the old complex name, and the freedom tower is not taller than the twin towers its 86 floors the twins were 110 floors, and the new freedom tower buildings dont blend with the skyline at all.

It's being called the World Trade Center again because the land was first cleared for the original WTC.

I think that it's only fitting to keep the name WTC because the original one was destroyed and taken away from us by mad evil terrorists.

If the Statue of Liberty had been destroyed on Sept. 11 2001 would a modern art sculpture be rising in it's place...and would a glass modern office building replace the Empire State or Chrysler Blds..in the same circumstances????.....Just shows how much the WTC was held in asteem by New York.....seems something has to be etched into a cities heart for longer than 30 years for it to be such an Icon??? Everytime I see a photo of NY....Lower Manhattan especially since the World Financial Towers really embraced the WTC as New York looking like New York.....Twins forever!

ok lets get this strait I don’t care about the spire, that’s just a way to cheat on height, you can't go on top of a spire there is not use of it except of the height. the freedom tower is 1368ft to the roof. the area of the tower is 2,600,000 sq ft. the old WTC1 is 1368ft tall, has a area of 4,300,000 sq ft. so lets get this strait as of size the old tower was bigger. sick of all the people saying the new tower is bigger than the twins. now the new WTC 2 is 1254 ft tall. has an area of 2,530,000 sq ft. the old WTC2 is 1362ft tall and has an area of 4,300,000 sq ft so don’t even compare the new and old WTC2

The 10,000 sq. ft. of office space is spread out amongst four tall superscrapers instead of just two.

How many times do I have to keep on saying that they are building this one much more different than the one that we all once knew? I liked the Twins, but I also happen to like the NWTC as well.

The only thing that I find the FT a symbol of is fear, self-grandiose, greed, elitism, and scandals.

You could say a lot of the same for the original Trade Center. Watch Ric Burns' "The Center of the World" if you haven't seen it yet, it details it a lot better than I could.

I saw that documentary, but I felt it gave a more positive of the Twins rather than negative.

It wasn't positive or negative, it was a recounting of history, nor did I say that it was a bad or good representation of the history of the Trade Center.

If the Statue of Liberty had been destroyed on Sept. 11 2001 would a modern art sculpture be rising in it's place...and would a glass modern office building replace the Empire State or Chrysler Blds..in the same circumstances????.....Just shows how much the WTC was held in asteem by New York.....seems something has to be etched into a cities heart for longer than 30 years for it to be such an Icon??? Everytime I see a photo of NY....Lower Manhattan especially since the World Financial Towers really embraced the WTC as New York looking like New York.....Twins forever!

wow, big difference between those structures, the world trade centers. Those structures are very historical, the world trade centers were constructed in the 70s, they are historical in a way, but not the same way as the statue of liberty. By rebuilding them we would only prove we learned nothing, It is symbolic to build something taller, something different. Not to forget about the world trade centers, but to say "9/11 did change us" and if you think 9/11 dident change us, you are an idiot. How could people take their children back and point at the replicas and say "on the original, that was the floor your mother worked on, and died on." but if we rebuild them we will simply be ignoring the deaths of thousands, it would be much clearer to people if we go back to somewhere that doesent look the same as the photos and then tell them "two towers stood here once, they were amazing, your mother worked on the 54th floor, and died on that floor, and the towers died with her" the towers are gone, we cant just simply bring them back. It is upsetting what happened, but its not as if they were 200 years old or anything, they were young, but symbolic, and symbolic they should stay, and rebuilding them would not make them symbolic, they would be fake, depressing, and conjur up horrible memories for many new yorkers, and americans.

wow, big difference between those structures, the world trade centers. Those structures are very historical, the world trade centers were constructed in the 70s, they are historical in a way, but not the same way as the statue of liberty. By rebuilding them we would only prove we learned nothing, It is symbolic to build something taller, something different. Not to forget about the world trade centers, but to say "9/11 did change us" and if you think 9/11 dident change us, you are an idiot. How could people take their children back and point at the replicas and say "on the original, that was the floor your mother worked on, and died on." but if we rebuild them we will simply be ignoring the deaths of thousands, it would be much clearer to people if we go back to somewhere that doesent look the same as the photos and then tell them "two towers stood here once, they were amazing, your mother worked on the 54th floor, and died on that floor, and the towers died with her" the towers are gone, we cant just simply bring them back. It is upsetting what happened, but its not as if they were 200 years old or anything, they were young, but symbolic, and symbolic they should stay, and rebuilding them would not make them symbolic, they would be fake, depressing, and conjur up horrible memories for many new yorkers, and americans.

Well said :)

I said what I said...but I can see your point......It would feel strange seeing them there again....it happenned , nothing will change that....sometimes something is stronger in memory than facsimile ! http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9278/manhattanskylineatnightew4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I said what I said...but I can see your point......It would feel strange seeing them there again....it happenned , nothing will change that....sometimes something is stronger in memory than facsimile ! http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9278/manhattanskylineatnightew4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

true

I have always seen rebuilding the Twins as a symbol of life as opposed to the FT being a symbol of death to which Libeskind has been nicknamed.

So, rebuilding the Twins would be a celebration of life upon ground that is sacred because of the death and destruction that occurred upon it? That does not pay respect to the graveyard that the WTC is. It is hallow ground and should be treated as such and unless the two towers were pure memorials that treatment would not be achieved.

Even Libeskind recognized that and for a guy who is so against the current project its funny that you use him as support.

I said what I said...but I can see your point......It would feel strange seeing them there again....it happenned , nothing will change that....sometimes something is stronger in memory than facsimile !

Very good point redbaron. I am sure that people who fear that the towers will be forgotten if they are not rebuilt are mistaken. In fact, I think the reverse could be the case. If the towers were rebuilt, then people seeing them would think that September 11th. couldn't have been that bad as everything would look the same as it did before.

On the Liverpool forum, we still get hot under the collar about our Overhead Railway, (similar to a New York El) that was closed over fifty years ago, or our great domed Custom House that was destroyed in the Second World War. We even lament a building that was never built, the Roman Catholic Cathedral, which would have been the biggest in the world but was cancelled when costs rocketed after the war.

I doubt very much that fifty or a hundred years from now people will have forgotten about the WTC, or what happened to it.

I think the towers will be remembered forever with the current design for that park or memorial whatever it is where they originally stood. If you build ANYTHING right there where they stood over the years people will forget about it.

I think the towers will be remembered forever with the current design for that park or memorial whatever it is where they originally stood. If you build ANYTHING right there where they stood over the years people will forget about it.

so true! I like the idea of making the foundation of one into a pool or something.

I miss 'the twins' and 9/11 still affects me today. I have not visited NYC (yet ;)) but I know people who have visited it and worked there and it's still hard to get my head around how they could have been killed that day. I only learned of the attacks about 5 minutes after the second tower collapsed and saw it on TV after my brother told me. I remember saying "They can't have fallen down, they're huge" but the first image I saw was the North tower disappear into the dust cloud. New York has perhaps the most amazing skyline in the world but now it looks... empty in a way. When I see pictures of its skyline now it almost feels like it is mourning the loss of the Twin Towers. Anyway, basically I also feel the towers should have been rebuilt maybe a newer design but the Freedom Tower is growing on me. Slowly.
R.I.P. All of those who lost their lives that day and from terrorism around the world everyday and peace and love to their loved ones.

So, rebuilding the Twins would be a celebration of life upon ground that is sacred because of the death and destruction that occurred upon it? That does not pay respect to the graveyard that the WTC is. It is hallow ground and should be treated as such and unless the two towers were pure memorials that treatment would not be achieved.

Even Libeskind recognized that and for a guy who is so against the current project its funny that you use him as support.
When someone dies in a house or other small structure fire, do we forever leave that site vacant as a 'memorial' to that loss? When major cities are leveled in a major war (ie, WWII), do we forever leave everything vacant as a 'memorial' to those incalculable losses?

*NO!*

We recover as much of the victim(s) as possible, clean up the mess and rebuild everything, better than it was before, and as quickly as practicable!

That is why I have not at all been happy with the way things are going at the WTC site (other than for the much improved 7 WTC).

OTOH, the USA's federal government ABSOLUTELY did the RIGHT thing at the Pentagon (Department of Defense headquarters), with the first part of that rebuilt section being reoccupied less than a year after that attack.

Mike

^You completely missed the point of my argument. It's not about the time scale of the rebuild (that's a disaster in itself) it's about what is actually built.

You don't rebuild everything, you treat the ground where a event that changed the shape of the world and will go down in history as hallow ground and build accordingly. That is what is being done with the design of the WTC. Rebuilding the Twins as they were does not. It's denial, not remembrance and tribute.

The Pentagon is a different monster, it was a legitimate military target (in the traditional sense), though what made it a terrorist attack is the object used as the weapon system. But, the Pentagon was not destroyed and the symbolism of the building was already there.

^You completely missed the point of my argument. It's not about the time scale of the rebuild (that's a disaster in itself) it's about what is actually built.

You don't rebuild everything, you treat the ground where a event that changed the shape of the world and will go down in history as hallow ground and build accordingly. That is what is being done with the design of the WTC. Rebuilding the Twins as they were does not. It's denial, not remembrance and tribute.

The Pentagon is a different monster, it was a legitimate military target (in the traditional sense), though what made it a terrorist attack is the object used as the weapon system. But, the Pentagon was not destroyed and the symbolism of the building was already there.
Those whom destroyed the WTC considered it to be a 'legitimate military target' (a national symbol and perceived center of commerce), in the same manner as the Pentagon and all of those unfortunate cities that were on the receiving end of WWII.

As such, the site must be restored as quickly as possible, denying the bad guys the 'victory' that they wanted. That it has not is what troubles me the most.

:no:

Mike

Those whom destroyed the WTC considered it to be a 'legitimate military target' (a national symbol and perceived center of commerce), in the same manner as the Pentagon and all of those unfortunate cities that were on the receiving end of WWII.

As such, the site must be restored as quickly as possible, denying the bad guys the 'victory' that they wanted. That it has not is what troubles me the most.

:no:

Mike

Look, they got the "victory" that they wanted. Six years later the US has squandered all the good will that was gained, has lost a huge amount of influence globally, and is embroiled in a war that is not exactly going well and is severely restricting our abilities to counter other threats to our national interests. The objective was accomplished.

As for rebuilding, it should have been done quicker, but it should not be a reconstruction of what was there before. That is the point that most on here are trying to make.

Look, they got the "victory" that they wanted. Six years later the US has squandered all the good will that was gained, has lost a huge amount of influence globally, and is embroiled in a war that is not exactly going well and is severely restricting our abilities to counter other threats to our national interests. The objective was accomplished.

As for rebuilding, it should have been done quicker, but it should not be a reconstruction of what was there before. That is the point that most on here are trying to make.
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I take serious issue with your word 'squandered', as IMHO, that is only in the minds of the leftists whom hated GWB well before that attack. Things are going much, much better in Afghanistan and Iraq than is being reported, it's just that we must go beyond the 'popular' press to find that info. Are things perfect? No, not in the least. But how much of this 'squandering' that you mention are true setbacks and how much is just blind hatred directed at GWB and his decision to fight back and continue the fight? It was said in late 2001 that this War is not going to be quick and clean, that there will be victories and setbacks, and that it will last for decades.

I also believe that this 'War' was going on for a looooong time before 2001-09-11, it's just that our leadership was very weak-kneed and in a state of total denial about it up until that time.

And the weak-kneed rebuilding of the WTC site (except for 7 WTC) is just an extension of that.

:gaah:

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Mike

Weak-kneed? Weak-kneed?

You need to just be glad that something is being built there at all, much less the former towers.

Stop ranting and raving because you can't get what you want. This is really getting :old:. :no: :rant:

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I take serious issue with your word 'squandered', as IMHO, that is only in the minds of the leftists whom hated GWB well before that attack. Things are going much, much better in Afghanistan and Iraq than is being reported, it's just that we must go beyond the 'popular' press to find that info. Are things perfect? No, not in the least. But how much of this 'squandering' that you mention are true setbacks and how much is just blind hatred directed at GWB and his decision to fight back and continue the fight? It was said in late 2001 that this War is not going to be quick and clean, that there will be victories and setbacks, and that it will last for decades.

I also believe that this 'War' was going on for a looooong time before 2001-09-11, it's just that our leadership was very weak-kneed and in a state of total denial about it up until that time.

And the weak-kneed rebuilding of the WTC site (except for 7 WTC) is just an extension of that.

:gaah:

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Mike

Denial? Denial? Denial is what is occurring right now in our current clusterfuck of a situation. You want to think that things are going far better than what is being reported in the MSM? Continue to think that, bud. Bad news sells and until we are in such a position that we can maintain security for a day without a spectacular attack we are not making the progress needed in our war of choice. We are involved in a very, very nasty war in Iraq, one that was completely separate from the "long war" against Islamic fundamentalists but is now aiding the enemy by restricting our ability to maneuver and react. Is it possible to win? Maybe, but there has been so many missteps that it is far more likely that we have just prolonged the "long war".

Try and separate the issues and maybe you'll see that the squandering has been a strategic disaster for the US. One that is going to take a lot of work to mitigate and reverse. This little Iraq campaign and the mismanagement of it has prolonged the "long war" back by years and guarantees that the next phase of it will be that much harder due to a squandering of resources and personnel.

That said, what is the weak-kneed part of the rebuilding? The design or the new WTC or the time-frame in which this project has been placed?

While visiting the twin towers i was amazed at the scale. Quite the buildings. The new designs are okay but of course new york was symbolized by these. They put up a good fight though. It took bombs and a couple planes to bring em down.

there is a massive difference between a large city being levelled, things are rebuilt then regardless since it is utter ruin,
new york city wasent destroyed, the world trade centers were, two massive towers, the pentagon wasent destroyed, it was damaged, and it is much older than the world trade centers. They are gone, if it was per say the capitol building that would have been totally different. The only time structures are reconstructed, is when they are historical, the world trade centers were very young, if they were built in the 1930s or 20s, it would have been different, but they were of no architectuall signifigance, or historic signifigance. Thats like constructing a massive palace, and then twenty years later there are thousands of people at work in it, and it blows up, killing everyone, killing peoples family members, and it was a private structure,
wouldent it make more sense to build a different building instead of a replica? Building a replica would be as if it never happened! Same here! The terriorsts dident win anything, they got blown the fuck apart, how would not rebuilding them prove anything? Rebuilding them would be proving that we are so emotionally crippled that we cant stand the idea of moving on, I say the way to prove to the world we are stronger, build something better, and taller, with a monument.

They put up a good fight though. It took bombs and a couple planes to bring em down.



One last time; THERE WERE NO BOMBS USED in ANY PART of the attacks at all!! What part of this are some of you not getting?

I'm so sick of hearing this! It's really getting:old:.

there is a massive difference between a large city being levelled, things are rebuilt then regardless since it is utter ruin,
new york city wasent destroyed, the world trade centers were, two massive towers, the pentagon wasent destroyed, it was damaged, and it is much older than the world trade centers. They are gone, if it was per say the capitol building that would have been totally different. The only time structures are reconstructed, is when they are historical, the world trade centers were very young, if they were built in the 1930s or 20s, it would have been different, but they were of no architectuall signifigance, or historic signifigance. Thats like constructing a massive palace, and then twenty years later there are thousands of people at work in it, and it blows up, killing everyone, killing peoples family members, and it was a private structure,
wouldent it make more sense to build a different building instead of a replica? Building a replica would be as if it never happened! Same here! The terriorsts dident win anything, they got blown the fuck apart, how would not rebuilding them prove anything? Rebuilding them would be proving that we are so emotionally crippled that we cant stand the idea of moving on, I say the way to prove to the world we are stronger, build something better, and taller, with a monument.

:bow: "Rebuilding them would be proving that we are so emotionally crippled that we cant stand the idea of moving on, I say the way to prove to the world we are stronger, build something better, and taller, with a monument."

No one can really refute that...:cheer:

There is no way the tower could come down by just planes and in freefall. The building could outwit a 707 and the last time i checked 707 is bigger than 767. Ok even if the buildings did come down by jet fuel (which is highly unlikely) then it would haven't been freefall. The steel on the first 60 floors wasn’t on fire or melted.

lol conspiracists

There is no way the tower could come down by just planes and in freefall. The building could outwit a 707 and the last time i checked 707 is bigger than 767. Ok even if the buildings did come down by jet fuel (which is highly unlikely) then it would haven't been freefall. The steel on the first 60 floors wasn’t on fire or melted.

Lmao this is not the place to post stuff like that :bash: :lol:

There is no way the tower could come down by just planes and in freefall. The building could outwit a 707 and the last time i checked 707 is bigger than 767. Ok even if the buildings did come down by jet fuel (which is highly unlikely) then it would haven't been freefall. The steel on the first 60 floors wasn’t on fire or melted.



Oh, please. Don't hijack this thread with that conspiracy crap about 09-11!

Go back and do some research, will you? The 767 IS bigger than the 707. The 767 seats up to about 211 to 215 passengers in a three-class layout and the 707 seats only about 189 passengers in a two-class layout. Not sure on the exact numbers, but the 767 is larger and is a widebody. The 707 is not.

The 767 uses bigger, faster, more powerful fuel-efficient engines, even though they are only two. The 767 weighs more in comparison to the 707. And even though they both can fly the same distances, the 767 has a larger wing span for more fuel.

Yeah, the buildings probably would have outwitted a 707 AT LANDING SPEED ONLY. NOT AT FULL THROTTLE LIKE THE 767s WERE FLYING!

Jet fuel damn sure well IS THE CAUSE of the towers coming down. How do you think the fires got started in the first place? Do you think that someone just lit a match and the fires got started that way?:ohno:

One last time; THERE WERE NO BOMBS USED in ANY PART of the attacks at all!! What part of this are some of you not getting?

I'm so sick of hearing this! It's really getting:old:.

I think he might be referring to the February 1993 bombing.

...I hope...

God Damnit get back on topic.

I think he might be referring to the February 1993 bombing.

...I hope...



Yes, bombs were used then. Mainly because it was from the ground.

But seriously, this damn conspiracy crap needs to stop!! I'm really sick of hearing about it.:ohno:

^^ Then dont ****ing talk about it just let it go if you continue this debate it will never stop since both sides will just keep throwing scientific facts at each other so let it go. Now back on topic "If you miss the Twin Towers, come here and let everyone know! "

Actually, I'm TRYING TO GET THEM TO STOP, even though the theories behind the first attack IS true.

Now please, can this kind of talk be stopped and just talk about the Twins themselves?

I find that I am hearing a strawman argument on saying how rebuilding the Twins would make people forget about 9/11. Also, I am hearing a contradicition from those who claim that it will forget the event ever happened by mentioning how it will remind them of the attacks. Tell me, is rebuilding the Twins going to make people forget or remember that 9/11 happened? We all known that we can't turn back time, especially since a time machine doesn't exist. In reality, the only way people would end up forgetting about 9/11 is with time itself and not b/c we brought back something that Osama Bin Laden took away from us.

Well, you know yourself as well as everyone else that some of the 09-11 families had asked Pataki NOT to let the same 2 towers be rebuilt because it WOULD remind them of 09-11 - something that THEY'D like to forget.

My brother actually said this to me about how liberals want them to be rebuilt, "The only reason why liberals want to see the Twin Towers back on the site again is so that the can go back to the glory days when they dominated and before George W Bush became president."

...how does that even make any sort of logical sense. I know of no liberal, myself included, that would ever say something that asinine. :ohno:

...how does that even make any sort of logical sense. I know of no liberal, myself included, that would ever say something that asinine. :ohno:




He's got a band aid for everything.

Yes, and liberal or not, those times are behind us and some people just HATE to move on, but they're forced to anyway because the NWTC will look even ten times better than the former towers were.

We'll eventually be getting FIVE towers instead of the two mediocre slabs from the early '70s that were there. No doub't, if the towers were not attacked, they'd be standing there today in all their glory for all to see. I would have gotten my first golden opportunity to go visit them, but that's not the case now, and these die-hards not only need to move on, but think about them as they were - not rant and rave about wanting them back.:ohno:

My brother actually said this to me about how liberals want them to be rebuilt, "The only reason why liberals want to see the Twin Towers back on the site again is so that the can go back to the glory days when they dominated and before George W Bush became president."

ahhhhhhhhh your little statement explains a whole lot more now.
Never mind, your not worthe the typing.

Stronger in Memory than Facsimile !

ahhhhhhhhh your little statement explains a whole lot more now.
Never mind, your not worthe the typing.

My brother made that statement, not me.

I miss the twin towers!!!!

The best thing that I can tell you at this point, is to try to get some Lego blocks and build a scale model of the Twins.

That way, you can look at them whenever you wish - all day or all night.

I'd LOVE to do that, but Lego Corp. keeps giving me the goddamn run-around every time I go to their website!!

and the last time i checked 707 is bigger than 767.

Last time I checked, you didn't know squat about Boeing airliners

Boeing 707:
Wingspan: 130 feet (39.6 m)
Length:128 feet (39 m)
Gross Weight: 160,000 pounds (86,184 kg)

Boeing 767-200ER: (Smallest 767)
Wingspan: 156 ft 1 in (47.6 m)
Length: 159 ft 2 in (48.5 m)
Gross Weight: 395,000 lb (179,170 kg)

Boeing 767-400ER: (Largest 767)
Wingspan: 170 ft 4 in (51.9 m)
Length: 201 ft 4 in (61.3 m)
Gross Weight: 450,000 pounds

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/images/767exteriors.jpg

Last time i checked you are an idiot for trying to take this thread OFF TOPIC like it already has been like 2 times, use PM'S. No one reply to this guys post please just stay on topic.
"If you miss the Twin towers come here and let everyone know!"

Last time i checked you are an idiot for trying to take this thread OFF TOPIC like it already has been like 2 times, use PM'S. No one reply to this guys post please just stay on topic.
"If you miss the Twin towers come here and let everyone know!"

You think 9/11 was a conspiracy and I'm the idiot? :lol: :lol:

Last time i checked you are an idiot for trying to take this thread OFF TOPIC like it already has been like 2 times, use PM'S. No one reply to this guys post please just stay on topic.
"If you miss the Twin towers come here and let everyone know!"



In this case, though unfortunately, the 767 has a lot to do with the Twins as a result of 09-11.

Because the terrorists chose THIS plane to hijack as their choice weapon of mass destruction to destroy the Twins.

And yes, both planes were the 767-200ER.

You think 9/11 was a conspiracy and I'm the idiot? :lol: :lol:

The website in my signature has nothing to do with the planes it has to do with quotes from top US officials and i dont go around making arguments of it i have never even talked about it, i am indifferent to it, i am just open to the possibility. Also good job taking this thread off topic again, jackass. If you want to argue with hardcore conspiracists then make a thread for it but dont argue about it in the if you miss the twin towers thread, that is why they made PM's, so you dont derail threads :ohno:.

I know that there have been people calling pro-Towers advocates like myself being selfish for wanting the Twins rebuilt, but I find that statement rather ludicrous and preposterous. I do give my condolences to those who have died as well to those who lost someone, but this doesn't mean that they have a right to say what goes there. The PA of NY/NJ owns this site, and they did agree to including a memorial. Was having the destroyed section of the Pentagon rebuilt being selfish? I came to the US from Israel, a country that had been dealing with terrorism long before Osama Bin Laden made the headlines. Maybe it would be better if most of Israel was left to being a memorial everytime Hamas blows themselves up in front of civilians and kills them as well places that were hit by rockets fired by Hezbollah b/c nobody would want to sound selfish to those who died. I find that rebuilding the Twins gives the cure while the FT is just the bandaid, but this is only my view, so please do not grill me for saying this.

I would hate to have to say this, and even though I respect your views of wanting the Twins back, but so far, all the complaints, pleas and outcries for wanting the Twins back have fallen on deaf ears because the officials are not looking back that way.

Which is why I gave up three years ago, and decided not to fight for their return any more.

I love them. They will always be my favorite buildings. I will always miss them and really hope that they get built again!

Fat chance!

I think that the new Twin Towers are going to be built in Midtown. There are plans as we speak to build 2 towers 1400 ft tall on the MSG space. I think they will look pretty close to the ones we lost. I know it is not the same but at least something.

What new Twin Towers? What are you smoking?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=486065

Certainly do miss those two...:(

Certainly do miss those two...:(

You're not the only one. I only saw them once. I miss them so much.

I saw them once in my life when i was 6...

when i was 13, i would skate the WTC plaza almost everyday afterschool. i'm 19 now, live in battery park city and skate past the site almost everyday.

I went to NYC in 1978 and the skyline was crowned by these two jewels of modern architecture... NYC will never be the same without them...

I still associate them with NY and they have been popularized so much by the media that it still feels 'not right' that they are not there. I have a souvenior mug from NY with the skyline profile edged around it and those 2 giant boxes side by side are a really unique skyline feature that shouts NY.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6451/1996049162408ce1c7eort2.jpg

^^ Creepy ... brrrr

anyway, I really miss these towers. On 9/11 I didn't pay much attention really. It was my birthday (bad luck, eh ?) But now after i've done a bit of research into the disaster, and the towers themselves, I really wish I had payed more attention that day.

You could say i'm a bit obsessed with the buildings. I really hope they get rebuilt, not that Freedom Tower tat.

well, what can i say, so far i have visited nyc for three times, first visit in 2004. so i never saw the twins in person. but from all the pictures i can only imagine how cool they looked and dominated the skyline. nevertheless the rebuilding of the WTC site is well underway now . i like 1WTC, and especially 2WTC (which will be built eventually, the only question is when not if). 3WTC and 4WTC complete the whole WTC. not to mention the already built goldman sachs and 7WTC. ... and 99 church street is also coming! you americans should consider yourself lucky, i mean the USA are in a bad recession and you still get big towers built! ;) of course there is always something one could complaing about like more supertalls for NYC, faster construction etc. but you have to learn to deal with the current situation. enough talk... to sum it up: yes, i miss and i liked the twins BUT new times bring new towers which bring a new skyline.

They should have rebuild them. Bigger, Better and Brighter!

Heared these ever but not see them.

The city now is like a supermodel with her front teeth missing...
I never saw them in life, now I can only see them in dreams.

The city now is like a supermodel with her front teeth missing...

That's actually a really good allegory.

Pretty much what they looked like when I first saw them.

http://www.allartnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/The-Twin-Towers-of-the-World-Trade-Center-in-New-York-are-seen-under-construction-along-the-Hudson-River-1970-as-seen-from-Jersey-City.jpg

http://members.tele2.nl/rebuildwtc/WTC_construction.jpg

These were the nicest buildings in the world. Burj Dubai go home! Miss you WTC, RIP.

thank God the Empire State still stand up..

I miss them too!

New York was always the WTC for me and the media always showed the twin towers and Manhattan.

Never been to NY....would have loved to have seen them.....dont think New York is the same anymore.

At least there is the Empire State, Chrysler Building & others that are gems and continue to give New York its name.

Hi everybody :) I am new here and also miss WTC towers... Do you think is it possible to rebuild them now?
Several weeks ago I read that the Freedom Tower is postponed, so there is a chance...

i bought some 6ft tall removable wall decals at www.wallofcities.com, they turned out really well and have made a nice tribute on my wall of the towers....personally i thought those two buildings were the symbol of America....its still sickening not to see them tower above the coastline

C'est tellement beau Manhattan. Dans Voyage au bout de la nuit Céline fait s'exclamer Bardamu, en arrivant à New York : "c'est la ville debout". Eh bien c'est cela New York : tout pour le vertical, rien pour l'horizontal. Une armée de gratte-ciels qui monte la garde à l'entrée d'une rivière, une grande pomme découpée en quartiers bien nets et bien connus, qui suinte le sucre, le plaisir que l'on croque jusqu'à l'extase. Bravo New York : le monde y est, le monde y va, un poumon planétaire New York, une pompe gigantesque où l'on ne vit pas ; on y passe, où l'on ne s'installe pas ; on y prend un hôtel ou une location. New York, sa fumée lumineuse, sa brume fumeuse, ses pointes et ses couloirs, ses artères et ses coupe-gorges, sa violence et sa folie, ses moeurs du monde et d'ailleurs encore. New York, New York...

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1&u=15330682

uploaded a pic of the tribute i started to the world trade center and the nyfd

On September 11th the world lost one of its most wonderful buildings. I'll never forget them. :(



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hello everybody. I'm from Belgium and ooh i still remember the time that the towers collapsed at the 11th september 2001. I was 5 years old when it happened and now i really miss the Twins. THEY ARE SO BEAUTIFULLL!!!!!!!!

i miss those towers.
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I still can see them on heaven Go twin towers!!!!!:cheers:

Thinking of that day still gives me the horrors!

I grew up seeing the WTC from my bedroom window. I will always miss them.:cry:

I am so privileged to have gone up the World Trade Center in March 1999. Had a burger in the big cafe and walked round the viewing deck and went on the roof. I miss the Twin Towers like crazy.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/trolltoast/album%203/Fullscreencapture95201135109AM.jpg CONSTRUCTIONWEEKONLINE.COM Critic's notebook: SKYSCRAPERS REMAIN POWERFUL SYMBOLSSkyscrapers, viewed in many parts as signs of prestige have experienced a building boom since the attacks . Any skyscraper is a contradiction. . The tall tower is architecture's most famous building type and also the one most clearly at odds with the profession's roots. Fundamentally, architecture is shelter, a concession that we're afraid to face the elements without protection. A skyscraper is vertical hubris. . Perhaps no architect embodied the oddness of skyscraper architecture more than Minoru Yamasaki, the Seattle native who designed the 110-story World Trade Center towers. Yamasaki was afraid of heights; he made the windows of the twin towers just 18 inches wide to ease the fears of the people inside the buildings who shared his anxiety. "If I had no economic or social limitations," he once said, "I'd solve all my problems with one-story buildings. Imagine how pleasant it would be to always work in spaces overlooking lovely gardens filled with flowers." . Even Yamasaki, who died in 1986, might be surprised by the latest wrinkle in the skyscraper story: The decade since the 2001 destruction of the twin towers, an attack that some predicted would spell the end of the tall building, have turned out to be the busiest ever for skyscraper design. More skyscrapers have gone up in the last 10 years than in all of architectural history before the destruction of the World Trade Center — and by a significant margin. . More than 350 towers measuring at least 200 meters, or 663 feet, have been constructed since the end of 2001, according to the Chicago-based Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat. Just 235 buildings that high went up in the years before 2001. The last decade has been particularly productive for designers of so-called supertall towers, those at least 1,250 feet high — the height of the Empire State Building. According to "Supertall!," an exhibition running through January at the Skyscraper Museum in New York, 48 such mega-towers have been completed since 2001 or are in the works. . A star of the exhibition is the Burj Khalifa, which opened early last year in Dubai as the tallest building in the world. Designed by the Chicago architect Adrian Smith, it rises a staggering 2,717 feet, or higher than the twin towers stacked one atop the other. In large part the explanation for this wave of towers is economic. The global economy was booming by the middle of the last decade, and the biggest nations in the world have been urbanizing at an unprecedented clip. (China alone has built about half of the post-9/11 towers.) In the West, easy credit in those years helped finance scores of new skyscrapers, many filled with condominiums that their owners are still struggling to sell. Surging oil wealth has gilded skylines not just in Dubai and Abu Dhabi but in Moscow and Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan. . The crop of supertall towers also has advances in engineering and technology to thank. It is easier than ever to predict how tall buildings will react to earthquakes and high winds. But there is also a political and psychological dimension to any supertall tower. Quickly growing or modernizing countries still see the skyscraper — as Americans did in the 20th century — as the ultimate prestige project. There may be lingering post-9/11 skittishness in this country about living or working 100 stories above the ground. But our nervousness is increasingly irrelevant to global skyscraper statistics. . In 2010, the tallest building constructed in the United States — the 818-foot-tall, 72-story Legacy Tower in Chicago — was the 19th tallest in the world. It was outranked by towers in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Hong Kong, Nanjing, Shanghai, Ho Chi Minh City and Istanbul, among other cities. . In purely architectural terms, the most important building to go up since the 9/11 attacks is the CCTV Tower in Beijing by Rem Koolhaas and Ole Scheeren of the Office for Metropolitan Architecture. It is a skyscraper, though at 768 feet not an especially tall one. . But that relative shortness is part of the tower's strategic allure: It rejects the arm's race for architectural height — which, as Koolhaas has pointed out, is always a losing proposition, since somebody is always planning a building taller than yours — in favor of a design whose Mobius-strip strangeness makes it uniquely powerful in person. The building is the most unmistakable representation of state power and government indifference that I've ever seen. If you want to feel really small — really ant-like — don't go stand in front of the Chrysler Building or the Park Fifth Tower in downtown L.A. Stand in front of CCTV. . Anyone who spends a lot of time thinking about skyscrapers begins to expect twists and turns, switchbacks and ironies. Here is the latest one: Saudi Arabia, home to 15 of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers, announced plans this summer to erect a building in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia's second-largest city, that will be more than 500 feet taller than the Burj Khalifa. Designed by Smith and his partner Gordon Gill, the Kingdom Tower will be at least a kilometer — or 3,280 feet — tall. In Saudi Arabia, Dubai and other wealthy, quickly expanding places, the skyscraper has been freed from two of its classic constraints. . The first is Manhattanism — that tall towers were historically built in dense downtown districts and hemmed in by the urban grid and setback requirements. The second is the business suit — that the skyscraper was, by definition, an office building. . The Kingdom Tower will rise from the middle of a brand-new, $20-billion mixed-use development laid out by the American firm HOK Architects. Its first few floors will hold offices, but after that it will be filled with a Four Seasons hotel and dozens upon dozens of residential floors. The tower's most noticeable formal flourish is a terrace jutting out from the 157th floor; it is not an observatory for the public but a private outdoor space for the skyscraper's penthouse — a front yard more than 3,000 feet in the air. Smith told me by phone that the tower's site is not far from one of Saudi Arabia's best-known postwar buildings, Skidmore, Owings and Merrill's 1981 Hajj Terminal. Other than that, he added, the area "is pretty much a desert." . That may help explain the resemblance between the Kingdom Tower and the Illinois, a slender mile-high tower that Frank Lloyd Wright proposed in 1956 for a site in Chicago. (That tower, never built, also seemed to rise from the middle of nowhere.) The Kingdom Tower site, in fact, was originally slotted to hold its own mile-high tower, designed by architecture firm Pickard Chilton. That project was shelved in early 2009 after the global financial crisis hit. In this country too, most of the architecturally compelling towers of the last decade have been designed to hold bedrooms rather than corner offices. . Frank Gehry's new skyscraper in Lower Manhattan wraps 903 apartments inside an undulating, crumpled stainless-steel skin that recalls the work of architects as diverse as Bernini and Cass Gilbert. In Chicago, Santiago Calatrava proposed a torquing, screw-like condo tower for the Chicago lakefront that at exactly 2,000 feet would have been the tallest building in North America. Sadly, it was a victim of the credit crunch. So was a stunning, ultra-thin glass tower, to be draped with hanging gardens, that French architect Jean Nouvel proposed for Century City. . Back in New York, the skyscraper continues to argue with itself. Immediately north of the site where the twin towers once stood are two new skyscrapers. . One, called 7 World Trade Center, was completed five years ago, covering 52 stories. The other, 1 World Trade Center — originally called the Freedom Tower — is under construction. When finished it'll reach a height of 1,776 feet, at least if you count its needle-like spire, and rank as the tallest building in the United States. Both towers are the work of Skidmore, Owings and Merrill, though 1 World Trade began as a testy collaboration between Skidmore's David Childs and Daniel Libeskind, the master planner for the World Trade Center site. But the buildings could hardly be more different architecturally. . The design for 1 World Trade Center is stolid and inexpressive. The quietly precise, blade-like 7 World Trade, thanks in part to a happier partnership between Childs and the glass artist James Carpenter, is among the most graceful towers to go up in an American city in two decades. . So is the skyscraper a dead end for architectural creativity or a wellspring of ingenuity? Is it a symbol of unfettered market economics or political muscle? A soaring beacon or a stack of anxieties? The answer in each case is that it is both. . ALWAYS BOTH. . http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/trolltoast/album%203/bobbyshredcom.jpg BOBBYSHRED.COM . christopher.hawthorne@latimes.com . CHRISTOPHER HAWTHORNE LOSANGELESTIMES

I visited the World Trade Center in 2001, when I was 9. I remember we were staying in a hotel somewhere in Lower Manhattan. We went right to the top of the South Tower's observation deck and had a burger, also dinner at the Windows On The World Restaurant in the North Tower.

I remember as I sat inside the North Tower i felt .... secure... I don't know why but I had this feeling that the building would be forever. :) It was a nice feeling.

Anyway, it was horrifying to watch both towers collapse the next month. After that feeling of full security I experienced in mid-August 2001. :cry: :shocked: :(

I will be visiting the memorial next year in 2013 when I've finished my studies for my 'break' and then return. :cheers:

RIP the Twin Towers of New York City | 1973--2001 | RIP everyone killed on that terrible day.

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One thing that scares me is that while in the Windows on the World Restaurant, there was a waitress who was called Christine. When I watched the documentary Inside the World Trade Center, there was apparently someone in that restaurant named Christine Olender. It was a solumn feeling knowing that I had been face-to-face with a victim a month before their death.

And in this thread, we should not focus on what happened. We should focus on the people who suffered from it, and most importantly, the lesson to be learnt.

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9/11/11: Tribute in Light (http://www.flickr.com/photos/smoovey/6139062454/) by A. Strakey (http://www.flickr.com/people/smoovey/), on Flickr

When I watched the documentary Inside the World Trade Center, there was apparently someone in that restaurant named Christine Olender. . "Hi, this is Christine, up at Windows. We need to find a safe haven on 106, where the smoke condition isn't bad. Can you direct us to a certain quadrant?" . http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/trolltoast/album%203/Fullscreencapture912201130425AM.jpg Christine Olender . I can only hope this person looks familiar to you, because she was quite in charge of a big situation that day. . A native of Chicago, 39 year old Christine was the assistant to the manager at Windows on the World, and found herself responsible for an estimated 170 breakfast guests and restaurant employees gathered on the 106th. She succeeded in making at least 4 calls to the Port Authority command post and according to transcripts was very efficient. I hope this information isn't inaccurate.

Thats an awesome picture Desertpunk, 9/11 was a horrific event that occured on that peaceful morning, may the fallen of this tragedy r.i.p.

The day they were destroyed, I realized they existed. The day they were destroyed, I saw the world paranoid. I was a kid then, now a young adult, though I lost no one then, this did not go occult.

I woke up to my first day of school two hours before the first bell, desiring to scope out NBC news, oddly enough. The image was inconceivable and astonishing- twin soaring skyscrapers. At the time, I was more blown away by the size of such buildings than by the actual catastrophe! Ever since then, I fell in love with skyscrapers, cities, and developments.

They were not beautiful, but iconic. What will replace them is beautiful, but not iconic. They fulfilled every aspect of their purpose, and overachieved everyone's expectations. No matter what their shortcomings were, they did not deserve to be the target of hatred. Nor did the victims...

I am deeply convinced one day all suffering will end, and those who perished that day will see the light of day again. Rev 21:4, Acts 24:15.

I'm from Tabriz(Iran) and I really loved the twin towers ever since I was a kid.I really got sad on 2001...

Terrible, terrible day.... My wife came downstairs just after the second plane hit. She had no idea what was happening but from the look on my pale white face she knew something was really wrong. She said to me "whats wrong, what happened" we then sat in stunned silence and watched tv all day and night. I can still feel that sick feeling in the pit of my gut...

I remember the day well; it was in the middle of the Toronto Film Festival, and was extremely hot for that late in the summer. Just after I woke my friend called and told me to turn on the tv; shortly after that the second plane hit. It was surreal, but the second plane made us realize it had not been a navigational error. They immediately closed American airspace, and Canada accepted all of the incoming flights. Brave, I suppose in hindsight, for if any more of them had been controlled by terrorists then we would have received the attack.

i miss those towers.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9387/1621pk6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That pictures says more than 100000000 WORDS.

If I was a tyrant or a Trump man I would build the twins taller, bigger, stronger and more superior than any other buildings in the whole world. I would have build it yesterday and if all the people who had sayed no I would have bribed them into silence. I would have built it, even if demand is not requested.

Even though I was 5 years old at the time, I remember the day perfectly, and seeing them collapsing on the news. Three freaking buildings. I even remember saying to myself, "holy cow, I was doing show-and-tell when the planes hit" that day.
If only I had known about them earlier. They were truly magnificent structures that completed New York City.

I'm from a small country in Europe, but I grow up seeing everyday the WTC twin towers in tv and movies.

I've been in NYC a couple weeks ago and I really felt like something was missing on that city! I really miss the WTC Twin Towers, they were a big part of NYC identity!

Look at this Twin Tower Brothers and see what I see and what we NEED to RESTORE the skyline and take back New York City from them who thinks for others.

http://www.twintowersalliance.com/images/Golden_Towers.png

This is what I want.
STRONGER, TALLER, MIGHTIER AND SAFER TWIN TOWERS BACK IN LOWER MANHATTAN.

AMEN

I have read in numerous sources that the rooftop promenade observatory on the south tower was 1,377 feet above sea level so I assume that meant 1,367 feet above street level.

I have read in numerous sources that the rooftop promenade observatory on the south tower was 1,377 feet above sea level so I assume that meant 1,367 feet above street level.
No the observatory was ona raised platform(1377ft). The roof height was 1361ft not 1367ft.

are we sure we will never see the twins again
we will see them again but not in new york maybe somewhere like virginia...maybe

No the observatory was ona raised platform(1377ft). The roof height was 1361ft not 1367ft.

The roof height was actually 1,362 feet to be exact. I didn't even know the rooftop promenade existed until my third visit to New York and the World Trade Center when it was calm enough for us to be let onto the roof. It was rarely calm enough for them to let people onto the rooftop promenade for fear of tourists doing the Mary Poppins routine.

No the observatory was ona raised platform(1377ft). The roof height was 1361ft not 1367ft.

I should have clarified more. I have read several sources that said the rooftop promenade was 1,377 feet above SEA LEVEL. Now I know from a few sources on forums (one of them being STR) that street level of the World Trade Center was 10 feet above sea level so thus that would mean that the rooftop promenade was 1,367 feet above street level. I also came across an article online from 1975 (when the outdoor deck opened) that said the promenade was 12 feet above the roof, now given the sloping hat truss nature of the roof I assume that is 12 feet above the portion of the roof directly underneath the promenade (if you look at pictures it does look like it was 12 feet above) and not the higher center of the roof that would be the very top of the building or 1,362 feet. If the part of the roof right under the promenade was 1,355 feet above street level then add 12 feet you get 1,367 feet above street level then add 10 feet to get 1,377 feet above sea level.

I guess this only matters because it is commonly stated that the south tower's deck was 1,377 (or 1,378 in some sources) feet high but that was above sea level, whereas if you go by the typical definition for measuring building height the deck was 1,367 feet high. Interestingly enough if you use a nearby waterline as a standard then the Sears Tower's 103rd floor is pretty much exactly 1,377 feet above the waterline of the Chicago River very near it, and if you count Lower Wacker Drive as street level it would also be about the same distance to the Skydeck as the street level was to the rooftop promenade of the south tower of WTC but that doesn't count because lower wacker is below grade and enclosed (but not underground) and thus it is measured from upper wacker which is grade level. So in distance from outdoor street level (grade level) the WTC outdoor deck was higher than the Sears Tower indoor deck but if we go by nearby waterline or lowest street level it was about the same.

I can't understand why so many people missing this towers? Yes they were good and very huge, but new WTC is better, isn't it? It is more modern and futuristic. Old WTC was too old to be a symbol of New York.

I can't understand why so many people missing this towers?

I grew up seeing the Manhattan skyline in movies, television, and the one thing that always stuck out were these two giant monoliths, gracing the prow of Manhattan, towering over everything else. That always screamed "New York!" to me.

Not to mention that I worked there for four years. You'd miss them too if you had spent 10-12 hours a day in those buildings, five days a week. Or if you'd met the woman who'd eventually become your wife in the Tobin Plaza beneath the towers, on a hot summer day. You'd also miss them (and the people you worked with) if 300 of your coworkers had been lost on 9/11.

No, I don't think you'll understand that.

Yes they were good and very huge, but new WTC is better, isn't it?

That's subjective. The new WTC is an aesthetic improvement over the original, but it doesn't have the same dominating presence the Twins did. At least not in its current form. I'll wait until the rest of the complex is completed before I pass judgment.

Old WTC was too old to be a symbol of New York.

Um, what? The Towers were completed in 1972 and 1973, they weren't even 30 years old on 9/11. How is that old? :weird:

The Empire State Building was completed in 1931, is that too old to be a symbol of New York? :|

WTC7 was probably the youngest completed skyscraper ever destroyed.

If I had billions of dollars I would have built two towers that were much taller. The new One World Trade Centre will debute to third place and drop out of the top ten in less than a decade....

It's been 12yrs now and I'm still upset. You guys aren't going to believe me but I had a pic of the twin towers and chrsyler building on wall I stared at when I went to sleep. I couldn't believe it. I think one of the reasons is because there's a lost sense of security. Another reason is that the rest of the world feels like they have a "1 up" on us. I've seen some angry hateful posts and I wish all these horrible people to hell. People died and we lost a part of our sophistry. Those beautiful buildings. They were gray, no-nonsense and business-like just like new york itself. I only got to see them once with my own eyes, (I'm from texas) when I took a bus in 2000 to visit a cousin.

They should have rebuilt these towers reinforced. That plastic asymetrical shit they're building downtown would be like a fake step parent. The original anchor is gone.

I loved how futuristic they made NYC look. Every time I look at them, I get shivers of awe, because of their massive size and boxiness.

i diddnt ever see they in new york but have seen so many pictures of them i dunnno what it is when i look at them its just fantastic, shame what happend to them though. but would have loved top have stood on top of the wtc and looked out. :)

taaa fb.

i never got to see the WTC when it stood but I was there in 2010... even though im not from nyc or didnt know anyone that was effected by the tragedy, everytime i see something w the WTC in it i get chills down my spine. and these 9/11 truthers out here really piss me off. when people passionately argue that we did it to our self they are literally spitting in the face of all the victims, victims families, and everyone who ever fought for our great country.

^^ 100% agree. There is nobody more obnoxious or delusional in the world than a 9/11 truther. It's worse because they keep on peddling the scam. Unbelievably disrespectful. :ohno: :bash:

The towers were ugly. I like the new site much better.

The towers were ugly. I like the new site much better.

Shut up mate and remove your comment, it is totally out of context
this thread and can't you read the name! :ohno:
pack your bags and leave this page if you are only going to diss the Twin Towers
and the rest of the former WTC. Your comment here on this page
is completely rubbish and unneccesary! :nuts:

This is video is so perfect, because it really shows the contrast between
what the majority of the public wanted and thought. And what some politicians
with a lot of power in their hand, think they can do whatever they want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gpIY7-2j7Kg#!

:cheers: