a similar view to the earlier one by Fanatical Apathist (http://www.flickr.com/photos/fanatical_apathist/)

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Give it another five years. :wink2:

Only London can muster a semi-decent skyline by world standards ATM.

Yes!

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How far out was the Liverpool one taken? The Manchester one is from 5.2 miles out.

Oh, and a quick photoshop job. Here is the Manchester-Liverpool supercity.

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Now it's looking a bit more like Brum

:rofl:



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I like this one. A lot.

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I like this one. A lot.


thats quality

That is superb, look at how the heat creates a fog effect in that picture! The CBD looks so dense also. :) Any idea of the area it was taken from?
The second from last picture looks great too, a collection of different architectural designs looking towards five ways.

I would guess.... Trident house. err.. opal?

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And it's looking away from the city....

I like this one. A lot.

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Amazing picture!

Great pics 'flogging molly'!!
Love the night one of bham too!

Mercurius: I think it's taken from Ottawa House. It's right next to Opal.

^^ The Five Ways shot I think is taken from Studley Tower on Highgate Middleway??

Aah yeh, you can see the old MBC in the distance which would have been right in front of him if it was from Ottawa.

Cheers guys. Either way its an excellent pic.

Aah yeh, you can see the old MBC in the distance which would have been right in front of him if it was from Ottawa. Holy shit, that's amazing, you can't even see the CN Tower, in Toronto, from Ottawa.:)

If you squint...

From MisterQuill on Flickr:

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You can just make out the Sutton (?) TV transmitter beyond the BT Tower.

Thanks for that Bio. A few of those gaps on the skyline will be filled within the next couple of years. :)

GOOD ONE SHOWING ANOTHER GREAT ANGLE - shows the ridge coming into play aswell. brettleessmith's ... Flickr.

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Showing on the Wirral webcam site now, a slide show of a cavalcade of various vessels heading to and from Garston, Tranmere and the Ship Canal on the high tide.

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GOOD ONE SHOWING ANOTHER GREAT ANGLE - shows the ridge coming into play aswell. brettleessmith's ... Flickr.

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A little too much sky but its got a cluster effect going on that isn't seen that often of Brum.

panoramic from birkenhead - by jimmedia on flickr
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Does it?

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Millville envy! A terrible condition with no cure in sight. :cry:

BORING! their both as good as each other, both have their weak points and strong points, manchester for example is very dense whereas liverpool has a few tallish builds clustered together and then nothing, liverpool has its water front, manchester has its hills, manchester also has more towers either under construction or that are about to begin like the manchester. mancs pic is also far further out than pools pic which also has a rather attractive sunset and mancs is in a blurry haze! but personally with that angle of liverpool i.e across land instead of the mersey manc wins hands down!

Millville envy! A terrible condition with no cure in sight. :cry:

:crazy:

fucking moron.

probably just reflects the fact that Liverpool evolved as a city and Manchester evolved as a bunch of consolidated milltowns.

Clearly not...........

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh! We've gotta have the countryside of North Wales! We've gotta have the plains of West Lancs! And God forbid... we have gotta have Cheshire too! Only then can we compete with Manchester and have our own retarded South West North West North Wales city region! Yippee dooo!

Squabble, Squabble, Squabble!

Would it not just be easier to also accept that Birmingham's skyline spanks both of yours ;)

^^ What? And spoil all the reasoned arguements still to come in the thread?!

You must be mad! :)

Squabble, Squabble, Squabble!

Would it not just be easier to also accept that Birmingham's skyline spanks both of yours ;)

If it was true it would be the easier option.

:hahaha:

Clearly not...........

the original name for Greater Manchester was SELNEC, go and look up what it means. And when quoting people try not to make things up:-

I clearly am the fruitiest of mongs

Clearly not...........

the original name for Greater Manchester was SELNEC, go and look up what it means. And when quoting people try not to make things up:-

I clearly am the fruitiest of mongs

The milltowns fed off the dominant City, thus creating a metropolis.

Most big cities which grew quickly did so by merging with surrounding towns and villages, thanks to transport becoming more accessible.

Liverpool could only expand in limited directions, thanks to the stream which runs through Stockport ;) Manchester had no major obstacles, so could expand in all directions.

And milltowns were the workshops of the Industrial Revolution which helped spawn the modern era as we know it.

Ports have always existed, but without the milltowns needing the goods from around the world, it'd still be a fishing village.

Manchester and surrounding towns were the destination for raw goods, Liverpool was just the go-between (until the ship canal) ;)

Let battle commence!

The original name for Greater Manchester was Greater Manchester. It was formed in 1974 with the name Greater Manchester and Kept that name until it was abolished.

SELNEC was the name given to the passenger transport executive created in 1969. It changed it's name on the creation of the county of Greater Manchester to Greater Manchester PTE.

^^ The Greater Manchester Council was abolished, but the county still remains as a Ceremonial and legitimate county. :)

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The milltowns fed off the dominant City, thus creating a metropolis.

Most big cities which grew quickly did so by merging with surrounding towns and villages, thanks to transport becoming more accessible.

Liverpool could only expand in limited directions, thanks to the stream which runs through Stockport ;) Manchester had no major obstacles, so could expand in all directions.

And milltowns were the workshops of the Industrial Revolution which helped spawn the modern era as we know it.

Ports have always existed, but without the milltowns needing the goods from around the world, it'd still be a fishing village.

Manchester and surrounding towns were the destination for raw goods, Liverpool was just the go-between (until the ship canal) ;)

Let battle commence!


without commercial cities with links spreading around the world, building up other communities, improving their wellbeing and wealth (and so demand for produce) there would be no milltowns

The Lancashire milltowns all grew at about the same time, just manchester grew bigger, being a natural centre.

If Liverpool was simply Liverpool's conduit, how come Manchester docks never grew to 20% of the size of Liverpool's.. presuming that all of the goods previously going through Liverpool would ahve went up t'cut? Isn't it more accurate to unerstnd Liverpool as a city that had dealings that went much further than the needs of cotton bobbins in damp lanky? :lol:

Liverpool was an international trading city... most of the stuff that Liverpool dealt with would never even have been heard of in Manc!

oh its one private Idaho after another with you Northerners isn't it? ;) :tongue3:

That's great tony, but Manchester wasn't a milltown was it? Could you honestly look at Manchester now, and then, and say it is just a larger (double sized) version of Bolton?

Do it and you confirm something to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mill_town#Lancashire_mill_towns

Note Manchester is not on this list.

c'mon kids.. you know that my post should be read in the context of being a response to a 'Liverpool the conduit' one? :)

I like to think that my understanding of the development and roles of most of our UK cities, especially Liverpool and Manchester is pretty OK... and based on genuine interest in history and urbanism, rather than boosterism and partisanship.

oh its one private Idaho after another with you Northerners isn't it? ;) :tongue3:

:lol:
more akin to an Omaha... i.e huge but heavy artiliary pounding that still leaves those who follow in danger (in these forums cases, of ignorance)!!!

no i meant... err nevermind :shifty:

c'mon kids.. you know that my post should be read in the context of being a response to a 'Liverpool the conduit' one? :)

I like to think that my understanding of the development and roles of most of our UK cities, especially Liverpool and Manchester is pretty OK... and based on genuine interest in history and urbanism, rather than boosterism and partisanship.

You shouldn't react like that though tony, you know this. Notice how instead of dissing Liverpool i just called eastisleast (duh, what a name :|) a fucking moron. you should do the same if someone disses liverpool, it's all they are.

not that accy's a fucking moron!!!!

Damn straight!!!


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thats actually quite cute. :)

Damn straight!!!


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:lol::rofl::laugh:

oh man that's hilarious,

The milltowns fed off the dominant City, thus creating a metropolis.

Most big cities which grew quickly did so by merging with surrounding towns and villages, thanks to transport becoming more accessible.

Liverpool could only expand in limited directions, thanks to the stream which runs through Stockport ;) Manchester had no major obstacles, so could expand in all directions.

And milltowns were the workshops of the Industrial Revolution which helped spawn the modern era as we know it.

Ports have always existed, but without the milltowns needing the goods from around the world, it'd still be a fishing village.

Manchester and surrounding towns were the destination for raw goods, Liverpool was just the go-between (until the ship canal) ;)

Let battle commence!


I liked the description that surfaced in the 'Pool forums a few weeks back.

Of all the milltowns, Manchester is the Heather Milltown, always shooting its mouth off, grabbing money and taking credit for things which it has no right too

;)


note: said in jest

back on topic :-

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You shouldn't react like that though tony, you know this. Notice how instead of dissing Liverpool i just called eastisleast (duh, what a name :|) a fucking moron. you should do the same if someone disses liverpool, it's all they are.

I know, you are, of course, right, but sometimes I just cannot help myself!

no i meant... err nevermind :shifty:

:lol: more likely me being too dim to understand the gag, rather than you not making it plain enough. I did a cracker the other week about 'tagalog', which all seems to be part of a worrying trend!

tell me, what you did mean?

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:lol: more likely me being too dim to understand the gag, rather than you not making it plain enough. I did a cracker the other week about 'tagalog', which all seems to be part of a worrying trend!



Im curious what that was now, tell me! :yes:

tell me, what you did mean?

oh i was just making a non serious remark about you all being in your own little worlds :shifty: :yes:

oh, I just missed the point (in a discussion about ships longest passageways still being called Scotland Rd, after the famous Liverpool street) about tagalog being a language rather than a place, the issue being, in doing so I completely missed the point!

Industrial side.

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Love them Sim. Its great how it towers over the suburban rooftops.

great shots there!

Yeah thats Brum right there Baby!

And to give credit to the people who took those photos as their other photos are interesting.

Tim Ellis
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See, looking at those photos I honestly can't understand how so many people have voted for Liverpool over Brum in this poll. Currently, Birminghams is just so much more impressive than the other regional cities. Yes, Liverpool may well take over in the future but for now, Birmingham has far more towers, and is far more dense, and in my opinion a fair more impressive skyline.

http://www.africaflights.info/johannesburg/images/fly2johannesburg600x300a.jpg

Birmingham has an overated skyline, with no discernable silhouette.

It's a poor man's Johannesburg

I actually think the opposite. I can't believe so many people have voted for Birmingham. Liverpools skyline is alot more graceful, generally better architecture, better clustered and better composed.

^^ :hahaha:

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Birmingham has an overated skyline, with no discernable silhouette.


Depends where you view it from. From Mosely, HCT dominates the skyline and along with the two white towers next to it, looks very impressive.

Liverpool doesnt have a proper skyline yet, just 3 relatively tall buildings.

I actually think the opposite. I can't believe so many people have voted for Birmingham. Liverpools skyline is alot more graceful, generally better architecture, better clustered and better composed.

While Liverpools is indeed graceful and attractive Birminghams has more depth, texture and layers. Up until the new Beetham was built Liverpools wasn't all that special. it didn't really cluster and it wasn't that tall either.

Depends where you view it from. From Mosely, HCT dominates the skyline and along with the two white towers next to it, looks very impressive.

Liverpool doesnt have a proper skyline yet, just 3 relatively tall buildings.

Think about what you just said there. Everywhere has a proper skyline. Except for places which aren't under the sky...

Three relitavely tall good buildings are sometimes better than loads of not so good buildings, especially when clustered as they are in Liverpool.

Quality not quantity.

While Liverpools is indeed graceful and attractive Birminghams has more depth, texture and layers. Up until the new Beetham was built Liverpools wasn't all that special. it didn't really cluster and it wasn't that tall either.

It just shows you what one building can do to a Waterfront location doesn't it? If we can add a similar building every five years even imagine the effect that'll have.There's already a fantastic mix of old and new and it can only get better.

Depends where you view it from. From Mosely, HCT dominates the skyline and along with the two white towers next to it, looks very impressive.

Liverpool doesnt have a proper skyline yet, just 3 relatively tall buildings.

Do you need tall buildings to make a good skyline ?

I prefer good buildings, memorable buildings. Make a silhouette of Liverpool and it would be easily discernable.

Birmingham could be any city with a few mid-rises and a communications tower.

Do you need tall buildings to make a good skyline ?

I prefer good buildings, memorable buildings. Make a silhouette of Liverpool and it would be easily discernable.

Birmingham could be any city with a few mid-rises and a communications tower.

Funny you should say that,that picture you posted of Johannesburg below made me think that's the best picture of Brum I've seen on here before I read where it was,I must admit I'd just woke up like but it does back up your point.:)

Do you need tall buildings to make a good skyline ? I don't think so. My favourite UK skyline is Edinburgh followed by Oxford. Both are traditional and what most foreigners picture when they visualise UK skylines.

They're two of my favourites too,Edinburgh's stunning I love it there.

Its a matter of opinion isn't it?

Liverpool could be any city with three relitavely tall good buildings.

In my opinion yes, you do need tall buildings to make a skyline. Thats why Hong Kong and New York have been voted amongst the worlds best but, Milton Keynes, not.

However im not slating Liverpool here, far from it. I know the haters will probably be all over this though. If quality over quantity is your thing, fair enough. But quanitity AND quality is what i would strive for. :)

Its a matter of opinion isn't it?

Liverpool could be any city with three relitavely tall good buildings.

In my opinion yes, you do need tall buildings to make a skyline. Thats why Hong Kong and New York have been voted amongst the worlds best but, Milton Keynes, not.

I would add the two cathedrals to that, you're confusing skyline with waterfront. The way the Anglican Cathedral broods over the city is unmatched in the UK.

As for tall buildings I prefer Atlanta's skyline even if the majority of the buildings are poor the fact they are spread out gives the city an older and bigger feel, as though the buildings have been there a long time and a more unique silhouette compared to the average american city.

http://www.c21johnhanes.com/data/graphics/office/admin/Atlanta/450px-13_Atlanta.jpg

If birmingham had some tall buildings it might begin to look impressive.

I love it how all Brum forumers have to do is post a few pictures of its skyline and it all kicks off. "its not that great" "looks like Johanesburg" etc etc ...

Dont worry.

Its called jealousy. :)

Haha well, liverpool hardly has a massive number more than Birmingham does it? So saying that Birmingham has no tall buildings contradicts yourself, as if that was the case neither does liverpool. I retract my earlier comment saying that liverpool has 3 relatively tall good buildings as under your estimation they are not tall.

In my opinion yes, you do need tall buildings to make a skyline. Thats why Hong Kong and New York have been voted amongst the worlds best but, Milton Keynes, not. My opinion; Toronto and Sydney have far better skylines than either New York or Hong Kong. In fact, HK offers more dramatic profile from above and behind, at Victoria Peak, rather than the crowded view from Kowloon across harbour. I also think Chicago has a better skyline than New York. But that's just my opinion.:)

Do you need tall buildings to make a good skyline ?

I prefer good buildings, memorable buildings. Make a silhouette of Liverpool and it would be easily discernable.

Birmingham could be any city with a few mid-rises and a communications tower.

The emphasis wasn't on height, it was on numbers. Liverpool is looking great so far, but for me I prefer Birminghams density and wider skyline.

Chicago has a better skyline than New York. But that's just my opinion.:)

Agreed.

Toronto though, anytown North America.

My opinion; Toronto and Sydney have far better skylines than either New York or Hong Kong. In fact, HK offers more dramatic profile from above and behind, at Victoria Peak, rather than the crowded view from Kowloon across harbour. I also think Chicago has a better skyline than New York. But that's just my opinion.:)

Ah indeed, i agree Sloyne. That was the point i was making though. When you think about a skyline you think about the sheer density and height of the World's major cities like some of those mentioned above. Not the low rise buildings of towns etc, even though they could be classed as such. :)

I prefer LA's to both Chicago and NYC. The contrast between the skyscrapers and the low density bumf is impressive, even better if you get the view with snow capped peaks behind.

I prefer Atlanta's skyline. My favourite, believe-it-or-not, is the Cincinnati skyline but, only approaching from the south on I-75 at dusk. Just brilliant, honest.

I prefer LA's to both Chicago and NYC. The contrast between the skyscrapers and the low density bumf is impressive, even better if you get the view with snow capped peaks behind.If you can see them through the smog.:)

My favourite, believe-it-or-not, is the Cincinnati skyline but, only approaching from the south on I-75 at dusk. Just brilliant, honest.

I like the Roebling Bridge. Cincinnatti looks like Montreal from some photos.

Pittsburgh is quite good, again anytown USA but the steep hillsides give it a certain uniqueness.

Toronto though, anytown North America.Really? I think Toronto's skyline is as distinctive as Sydney's or Liverpool's. Matter of opinion I guess.
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Without the CN Tower it is far less distinctive and could be anywhere in NA.

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I like Pittsburgh, the confines of the Golden Triangle mean density and there's an HH Richardson building tucked away too.

Without the CN Tower it is far less distinctive and could be anywhere in NA.

Yes but it does have the CN Tower and is by far the most attractive skyline in the world in my oppinion.

Without the CN Tower it is far less distinctive and could be anywhere in NA.Duh!!!!:ohno: And without the Liver Building ditto Liverpool and, with the opera house ditto Sydney and without...etc...etc...etc.:ohno:

I love it how all Brum forumers have to do is post a few pictures of its skyline and it all kicks off. "its not that great" "looks like Johanesburg" etc etc ...

Dont worry.

Its called jealousy. :)

They may be jealous elsewhere I don't know but they're certainly not in Liverpool believe me,it's all in your head.:)

Duh!!!!:ohno: And without the Liver Building ditto Liverpool and, with the opera house ditto Sydney and without...etc...etc...etc.:ohno:

Whatever man, what I was saying is that apart from CN theres not much to write home about.
Besides Liverpool would still have its cathedrals and Sydney would still have the Harbour Bridge. Chances are people could recognise those cities with the loss of the buildings you state while Toronto has nothing else anywhere near as recognisable.

Duh!!!!:ohno: And without the Liver Building ditto Liverpool and, with the opera house ditto Sydney and without...etc...etc...etc.:ohno:

Sydney's got a bridge, Liverpool's got a couple of big churches.

I surrender.:ohno:

The skydome is recognisable!

http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicv/vfiles7527.jpg

I love it how all Brum forumers have to do is post a few pictures of its skyline and it all kicks off. "its not that great" "looks like Johanesburg" etc etc ...

Dont worry.

Its called jealousy. :)


actually m8 it was a brummie who kicked it all off:-

See, looking at those photos I honestly can't understand how so many people have voted for Liverpool over Brum in this poll. Currently, Birminghams is just so much more impressive than the other regional cities. Yes, Liverpool may well take over in the future but for now, Birmingham has far more towers, and is far more dense, and in my opinion a fair more impressive skyline.



To try and answer the question (Of course I'm biased), i've heard more than one reason why people prefer Liverpool over Birmingham, including clustering, quality, waterfront and the mix of shapes.

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i cant post this here but this is a typical night view
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then further along you have the albert dock, the arena and the biggest cathedral in the country all reflected in the mersey

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and there are more interesting shapes appearing by the pier head

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and then, after all that, you just dont get views like this in Birmingham

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It`s a "no brainer". Liverpool every time!

i cant post this here but this is a typical night view
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Corr, that is amazing!!!!!
I will always have fondness for my home city but that is gorgeous.

but... it is opinion after all and we are all entitled to our own and we may wonder sometimes why people like the things they do but it's their choice whether we agree with their view ourselves or not.

In fact, HK offers more dramatic profile from above and behind, at Victoria Peak,
Below is a picture of HK taken from the Peak. For lovers of tall buildings, this has to be one of the best vantage points anywhere in the world. IMHO.:)

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Yes, Hong Kong from the peak is spectacular. Which is why these skyline discussions are a bit redundant; a UK city is never going to look anything like that impressive, so what's the point?

What we could have are world beating streetscapes, public realm, architecture and communities. We don't, but we could have.

yes, sadly, spot on!

No dont be daft..

Anyone who would seriously want our skylines in any of our UK cities to be anywhere near on par with the likes of Hong Kong do not have the interest of the said place at heart, not its culture, its history, its character - nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I love Hong Kong - I went two years ago and went up the tram to the sky tower where that picture seems to be taken from (I have a familiair photograph anyway) but its not a cityscape, its a colony, its almost sci-fi..

Most of that is very tall council blocks. I bet most of the dwellers there would give their right arm for a suburban house.

Most of that is very tall council blocks. I bet most of the dwellers there would give their right arm for a suburban house.

Liverpool tried that (giving everyone a 'Brookie').. helped kill the place!

Liverpool tried that (giving everyone a 'Brookie').. helped kill the place!

I said suburban house, not overspill estate. You can have a suburban house 500 yards from the city centre. Georgian Liverpool is effectively a suburb.

[QUOTE=ferge;19817736]No dont be daft..

Anyone who would seriously want our skylines in any of our UK cities to be anywhere near on par with the likes of Hong Kong do not have the interest of the said place at heart, not its culture, its history, its character - nothing.

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Totally agree with this, im sure none of us would want the wholesale demolition of some of our most amazing architecture for some naff concrete towers. Hong Kong is Hong Kong and is justly amazing, but so are our cities and our skylines will be unique for that with more quality than quantity (though not diminishing the quality of some buildings in Hong Kong).

No dont be daft..

Anyone who would seriously want our skylines in any of our UK cities to be anywhere near on par with the likes of Hong Kong do not have the interest of the said place at heart, not its culture, its history, its character - nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I love Hong Kong - I went two years ago and went up the tram to the sky tower where that picture seems to be taken from (I have a familiair photograph anyway) but its not a cityscape, its a colony, its almost sci-fi..

i absoluetley AGREE.

looking at pictures like that make me..:puke:

i would hate it if London became like that. I cannot see why any British city would want to strive to look like that...just a mass of tall buildings. IMO its not appealing at all.

i absoluetley AGREE.looking at pictures like that make me..:puke: Well how about this one. This is KL skyline taken from the pagoda.

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No dont be daft..

Anyone who would seriously want our skylines in any of our UK cities to be anywhere near on par with the likes of Hong Kong do not have the interest of the said place at heart, not its culture, its history, its character - nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I love Hong Kong - I went two years ago and went up the tram to the sky tower where that picture seems to be taken from (I have a familiair photograph anyway) but its not a cityscape, its a colony, its almost sci-fi..

I wasn't proposing that we should want to build cities in the style of Hong Kong, that would be absurd. What I was suggesting is that as skyline in all about spectacle, arguing whether Liverpool, Birmingham or Manchester's (never mind Cardiff or Portsmouth) is the more impressive is rather like arguing whether Mumbai's, Mombassa's or Lima's slums are more liveable. None of them are particularly spectacular and none of them are ever likely to be so (I accept that an economically resurgent Liverpool could look fairly impressive from the water, but it's never going to be New York).

With our cities it shouldn't be 'great skylines' that we're aiming for, but great cities. Liveable, affluent, productive, vibrant, significant, interesting, creative, inclusive places that people want to live and work in. Tall buildings can be interesting visual punctuation, economic contributors and even in a limited sense visual symbols of our cities. But they shouldn't be the end of our ambitions in themselves, because with all the will in the world our ambitions in that direction will be unrealised.

I said suburban house, not overspill estate. You can have a suburban house 500 yards from the city centre. Georgian Liverpool is effectively a suburb.

no, Liverpool has done that too!

Sprawl is a long term city killer, whether it is Liverpool, NYC or HK!

(I accept that an economically resurgent Liverpool could look fairly impressive from the water, but it's never going to be New York). But Liverpool was as influential in it's era as New York is today and, Liverpool was Liverpool when New York was New Amsterdam. ;)

My fellow Man City fans are like you, clinging on to the long lost and largely irrelevant past and throwing that in the face of anything that could possibly be conceived as criticism. Is your post supposed to undermine or invalidate Che's point?

Thats extreemly week! because Cardiff was the worlds largest coal exporting port doesnt mean it now is, the same for Liverpool.

With our cities it shouldn't be 'great skylines' that we're aiming for, but great cities. Liveable, affluent, productive, vibrant, significant, interesting, creative, inclusive places that people want to live and work in.

Leeds ;)

Nah, it's just to get up the noses of the Mancs whose city was nowhere near as influential as Liverpool. And remember, sports prowess is very fleeting and if Manchester keeps buying success and the EPL stays a one team league then, surely, fans, other than Man U fans, will stay away. Unless of course, the English sports fan is totally stupid.:ohno:

Leeds ;)

bristol actually. :yes:























































our skyline sucks.

bristol actually. :yes:

Bristol maybe, Leeds no way.

Cardiff more than bristol, our new shopping center is ever so slightly bigger than yours lol.

well, we have clifton :baeh3: ;)




im sure Boards'll put us in our place.

Couldn't give a toss:)

:cry: ;)

:lol: Saw Cabot Circus or centre? On this weeks panorama actually, quality centre, a great addition to the Bristol offering ( a very sizeable centre actually considering that mall on the outskirts too, the name escapes me ). Bristol ranks 6th city-wide on venuescore in the UK. Hotels is where it's at now though;)

the mall, thats its name, wonderful, bloody wonderful.



just so it's not off topic Birmingham and Liverpool for me :yes:

And Sutton Coldfield. How they can call our abomination "The Mall" is beyond me! It looks more like a slaughterhouse!

Lets not even compare hideous shopping centres friend. You can't beat me.

we should have a thread :|

UK's shittiest shopping centres? No need, just post a link to the In-stores website.

Bristol maybe, Leeds no way.

Glasgow, Bristol and Leeds, have the highest GDP's in the UK after London and Edinburgh.

bristol actually. :yes:


u know wot i actually originally put bristol and leeds, but then edited it to remove bristol, because bristol doesnt have as good shopping, financial sector, nightlife, the massive vibrant student population, or restaurants or as greater % of creative industries - so they are both quite diferent..

... altho both are Liveable, affluent, productive, vibrant, and most importantly inclusive places that people want to live and work in, and they both have the highest population increases out of the cores

Not true, Bristol has restaurants. Bit harsh, wiggley. Bristol has a good financial sector too.

Not true, Bristol has restaurants. Bit harsh, wiggley. Bristol has a good financial sector too.

well duh :| ;)


still Wiggley hasn't been to Bristol so he wouldnt know :yes: plus i dont think he's being serious :yes:. (the massive student population and % of creative industries being much bigger amongst other things is bullshizer for a start)
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places i'd love to see have good skylines are Plymouth, Swansea and Edinburgh although the natural surroundings tend to swamp the place, and the fact that they are rather small population centres (or Nimby HQ's) i doubt it somehow...

*wiggles*

^^wiggley, move it to the other thread.

*shakes that booty*

Wiggly you are such a card! lol

well, we have clifton :baeh3: ;)




im sure Boards'll put us in our place.

Well Cardiff has Spott..... just kidding we have Roath and Portsmouth has Southsea and Newcastle has jesmond and London has kensington etc etc. We are so lucky to all live in cities that are beautifull.

We are so lucky to all live in cities that are beautifull.

Rub it in :(

Nah, it's just to get up the noses of the Mancs whose city was nowhere near as influential as Liverpool

Success varies and tastes change, therefore Liverpool might have to find something else to market apart from the Beatles and Liverpool FC. Everton could be a good start! :lol:


And remember, sports prowess is very fleeting and if Manchester keeps buying success and the EPL stays a one team league then, surely, fans, other than Man U fans, will stay away. Unless of course, the English sports fan is totally stupid.:ohno:

Not unless English clubs get excluded from Europe again. :ohno:

Also, Man U have won only 1 of the last 4 prem titles, Arsenal & Chelsea winning the other 3, not exactly a 1-team league. ;)

Anyway, this discussion should probably be in City Bashing (light-hearted banter), instead of Best Present Skyline!!

u know wot i actually originally put bristol and leeds, but then edited it to remove bristol, because bristol doesnt have as good shopping, financial sector, nightlife, the massive vibrant student population, or restaurants or as greater % of creative industries - so they are both quite diferent..

... altho both are Liveable, affluent, productive, vibrant, and most importantly inclusive places that people want to live and work in, and they both have the highest population increases out of the cores

the quality of life and the environment of Bristol is infinitely better than Leeds, or most other places! One shocking thing about Leeds is how little the poor seem to interact with the leafier parts of the city and city centre.

Success varies and tastes change, therefore Liverpool might have to find something else to market apart from the Beatles and Liverpool FC. Yes, you're right, success does vary but how you would think that Liverpool FC is a marketable commodity to other than football fans I'm at a loss to know. But your statement above notwithstanding, Liverpool did, once, hold a position so unique that no other city ever held or is likely to hold ever again. That position was Liverpool being the second most influential city in the worlds greatest empire. Contrary to your innuendo past greatness is not something that can be brushed aside as can be seen with Rome, Athens, Venice etc., they will always be remembered. Even if Liverpool stagnates, nay, even declines further, it will still be remembered for it's glorious past and indeed, has been recognised by being awarded the World Heritage status. So, like every other UK city (outside of London), Liverpool finds it's self on the outer edges of the "global economy" and, again like all the other UK cities, is struggling to compete with the dynamism of Asian and American (the American continents) cities, it will always have this special place in history. Or maybe you think Liverpool will be the only UK city/port that will fail, completely, when "Beatle Mania" subsides. You must admit though, the Beatles phenomenon has shown a fantastic resilience in the popular culture market.:)

I think you are taking too much pride in past glories, yes liverpool once played a major role during a period of time but so did other cities. Alot of liverpools past greatness was built on some quite shady operations and it is this that will be more remebered than its 'importance'. I dont think Romes greatness can be brushed away at all and i find it quite hilarious that you think Liverpool has been more important in the whole of human history than Rome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol. Just try and argue that case in the world forums!!!!!!! go on i dare you lol!!!!!!! I was going to say more but i think ill just leave it there!!!! lol Rome, London, Beijing.... Liverpool.

Rome, London, Beijing.... Liverpool. Well, but even with Liverpool being the most undeserving recipient of the accolade "World Heritage Site, it still rates higher, in historical importance than Europe's SECOND youngest capital, Pristina in Kosovo being the youngest, wouldn't you agree?

And no, I am not taking to much pride, Liverpool being a city, past and present, one can take pride in. With it's museums, art galleries, theatres, sporting events, orchestra, architecture and it's history good parts and bad, etc., it takes second place to no UK provincial city. You, of course, have aright to your opinion and the right to dislike Liverpool and Scousers but, be honest about it. And while we're on the subject of henesty, it would be nice if you acknowledged that Pristina is Europes youngest capital.:)

Yes, you're right, success does vary but how you would think that Liverpool FC is a marketable commodity to other than football fans I'm at a loss to know.
Japanese tourists... give them a name, tell them its good, they will worship it even if they haven't got a clue what its about.

Japanese tourists... give them a name, tell them its good, they will worship it even if they haven't got a clue what its about. Japan? One of the worlds best educated and most travelled populations on the planet are that gullible? Ever been there Accy?

No, but I've met plenty of their tourists, many of them in Liverpool.

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Cracking photo there yoshef, even on a not so nice day :okay:

. That position was Liverpool being the second most influential city in the worlds greatest empire

I think you're overdoing it a little here, Liverpool was probably at one time the worlds greatest port but that doesn't necessarily mean influenc. Shipping is just an industry like any other and Liverpool's ships may have carried the wares of British industry to the outposts of empire giving the name of Liverpool a presence throughout the World but the goods carried the name of Birmingham, Glasgow, Manchester etc. I'm struggling to see evidence of this influence.

Naming a football team in Montevideo or Vina del Mar may point to the presence of Liverpool shipowners and sailors but then the local team in Bilbao wearing the shirts of a fellow shipbuilding town's team or Sao Paulo naming a team after a visiting London amateur team also points to similar influences from other English cities.

There are many cities that can claim to be the second city of the Empire, Calcutta is arguably the most famous and the most influential due to it's position as the centre of the Indian independance movement.

oooh amazing photo, love the colours. its the type of image you could have on your wall! really amazing!

Sloyne - taking pride in modern day Liverpool is no bad thing and i aplud you for it but over stating its importance in world history is a bit much! Other cities were once the second city of the empire (Melbourne, Bristol, New Dehli etc. etc.) every city has a claim to fame - start of industrial revolution, largest coal exporting port etc etc. BUT i wouldnt say Liverpool was That much more important than many others. Liverpool was a great city and is shaping up to be great again. Ask yourself which city would you want to live in? the Liverpool now or the realities of the Liverpool in the past?

Also Cardiff is still the youngest capital as Pristina was the Capital city of Dardania, In 1946 Priština became the capital of the Socialist Autonomous Region of Kosovo so i dont have to accept anything :) dont you love semantics! Im not going to go into how much more or less significant cardiff was than liverpool but at Liverpools greatest time Cardiff was the 3rd city of the empire and largest city in the worlds first industrial area (plus its wealth created the richest man of the time).

Anyway heres a pic of Cardiff, not mine but i stiched it together. Will be a nice line of towers with the two new adam street towers to the left (will be higher than the building on the left) and the completion of the st davids 2 towers). not tall but adds bulk. Also that car park past the church has another 2 towers up to 20 stories planned in a high density development


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BUT i wouldnt say Liverpool was That much more important than many others. Liverpool was a great city and is shaping up to be great again.

Maybe you should watch the timeteam special tomorrow at 9pm and it might open your eyes a bit,watch it anyway it'll be a great programme,if people are here for the right reasons it should be an interest to everyone.

I think you're overdoing it a little here, Liverpool was probably at one time the worlds greatest port but that doesn't necessarily mean influenc. The first mercantile exchange, largest concentration of insurance, banking and shipping companies. The home to the prime minister (William Ewert Gladstone) and chairman of the opposition party (Lord Derby), and that's just off the top of my head. Some of the company's are still thriving, maybe not in Liverpool or with the same name but still thriving never-the-less. Unilever, Tate & Lyle, ICI, Royal Insurance, Martins Bank, The Swire Group, Blue Funnel Line, Cunard Line to name a few. Liverpool's contributions to medicine, both past and present, are legendary. Yes Isaac, Liverpool was probably the second most influential city on the planet. And yes, I'm proud of Liverpool and do go on a bit about her achievements and those of her children. A couple of years ago I was in New York to see a show and noted out of five shows on Broadway three of them were written by a Scouser. Not bad for a small, rundown, crime ridden, failing English city living in the shadow of the worlds two greatest metropolis's, Leeds and Manchester.:ohno:

! Other cities were once the second city of the empire (Melbourne, Bristol, New Dehli etc. etc.) every city has a claim to fame - start of industrial revolution, largest coal exporting port etc etc. BUT i wouldnt say Liverpool was That much more important than many others. Liverpool was a great city and is shaping up to be great again. Ask yourself which city would you want to live in? the Liverpool now or the realities of the Liverpool in the past? Melbourne? Never, New Delhi, Mumbai, very large conurbations but never the influence (remember Gladstone and the chairman of the opposition living in Liverpool at the same time) that was once Liverpool's. But hey, the legacy lives on. Liverpool is by far and away the most recognised English city brand worldwide after London. Beatles you say? But who gives a shit as long as it keeps the brand front and centre, and the Beatles do.:)

So what just happened.

Isaac says about Liverpool, that it "was probably at one time the worlds greatest ports but that doesn't necessarily mean influence."

Sloyne notices what Isaac has just said was not what he really meant, and what he really did mean to say was that Liverpool is "a small, rundown, crime ridden, failing English city living in the shadow of the worlds two greatest metropolis's, Leeds and Manchester." :| :bash: :nuts: :crazy:

Sloyne you're actually the biggest twat i've ever come accross. Unlike these playwrights you talk about, you do nothing but shit, you fucking spew your shit, all-over the scouse name. It alarms me how much you've travelled, shitting as you go. I hate to think of the numbers of people you may have met and how many cringeworthy and embarrassing conversations you've had. Just shut up would you.

im sorry but Melbourne was the 2nd largest city of the Empire for a time, Dehli was the imperial capital of not just india but a symbol for the whole empire and Edinburgh is a big brand, Glasgow is increasingly so and so is manchester (with the football club being a bigger brand i bet) also i bet most people would know more about oxford and york than liverpool im afraid (and also my city and many others). Im not putting Liverpool down just your ideas of grandure are a bit unbelieveable sorry. i mean Liverpool brand being bigger than Oxford and Cambridge, not to mention stone henge etc.

Please see sense!

Cardiff, I live in the capital of Ontario, Concord is the capital of New Hampshire, Perth is the capital of Western Australia, Recife is the capital of Pernambuco and all are capitals of states/provinces but all have national capitals. Respectively, Ottawa, Washington, Canberra, Brazil. Cardiff is the capital of the vassal state of Wales whose national capital is London. Pristina is the national capital of Kosovo.

im sorry but Melbourne was the 2nd largest city of the Empire for a time, Dehli was the imperial capital of not just india but a symbol for the whole empire and Edinburgh is a big brand, Glasgow is increasingly so and so is manchester (with the football club being a bigger brand i bet) also i bet most people would know more about oxford and york than liverpool im afraid (and also my city and many others). Im not putting Liverpool down just your ideas of grandure are a bit unbelieveable sorry. i mean Liverpool brand being bigger than Oxford and Cambridge, not to mention stone henge etc.

Please see sense! Cardiff, on earlier threads I did concede that Oxford, York, Windsor and Stratford on Avon are very well know brand names and better known abroad than Liverpool, Manchester and other industrial cities. However and out of all the "ENGLISH" industrial cities, Liverpool is the most recognised brand. Also remember, that soccer is not on the radar in most of the world, certainly in North America it is a very small part of the professional sporting industry. And contrary to what your papers tell you, baseball is japans national sport, soccer in China is confined to a few city's and is less supported than is basketball. India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka are bigger cricket fans than soccer and Autralia has rugby, cricket and it's own brand of football, all of which supercede soccer and of course Canada, we have hockey, baseball, basketball and Canadian football and we are great fans of the NFL (American) type of football. Canada however does have one fully professional soccer team, Toronto FC.

Cardiff, I have been in the travel/transportation industry all my life and I owned (still have an interest in) my own travel agencies at one time. I have also lived in quite a few cities on four continents and travelled extensively, and am still travelling, so I know a bit of what I speak.

I have also travelled alot and have taught thousands of students from around the world and lived in different continents, so i also know what i'm talking about. Football however is not something i know alot about but isnt it the biggest sport in the world? If it is then manchester would be ranked higher and even countries that dont follow football would have heared of manchester united rather than liverpool fc. Im also not sure of how many countries would have heared of the beatle (just think of comunism and all!) and more so how many would associate them with Liverpool. Also from my experiance people think little of where things come from.

Oh and i avoid the tabloids when i can, i watch al jezera for my unbiased news! lol

I assume you say English because you want to avoid Edinburgh and Glasgow, but even then i would say brand Newcastle and Manchester were just as big, not to mention brighton (which alot of my students have talked about, but very few mention Liverpool and other industrial cities).

Out of interest what does brand Liverpool look like? Does it have a specific logo like the crap one Cardiff has?

I have also travelled alot and have taught thousands of students from around the world and lived in different continents, so i also know what i'm talking about. Football however is not something i know alot about but isnt it the biggest sport in the world? If it is then manchester would be ranked higher and even countries that dont follow football would have heared of manchester united rather than liverpool fc. Im also not sure of how many countries would have heared of the beatle (just think of comunism and all!) and more so how many would associate them with Liverpool. Also from my experiance people think little of where things come from.

Oh and i avoid the tabloids when i can, i watch al jezera for my unbiased news! lol

I assume you say English because you want to avoid Edinburgh and Glasgow, but even then i would say brand Newcastle and Manchester were just as big, not to mention brighton (which alot of my students have talked about, but very few mention Liverpool and other industrial cities).

Out of interest what does brand Liverpool look like? Does it have a specific logo like the crap one Cardiff has? I guess the discussion is over but, just one further point, I was in Cuba a couple of months back and they have a night club in Varadero named "The Fab Four" and the four Beatles are depicted in stylized neon above the entrance. Go figure:ohno:

By the way, there are more Spanish (Real Madrid & Barcelona) and Italian (Inter, Juve & Roma) replica shirts visble in Latin America than there are of any EPL team.

I say English because I mean English and not Scots, Welsh or Irish. Yes Edinburgh is a very well known brand and probably the most visble after London but, then again, Dublin, the capital of a small state, is also a very visible brand throughout the world, more so than Cardiff, but then Dublin is a real national capital.

If it is then manchester would be ranked higher and even countries that dont follow football would have heared of manchester united rather than liverpool fc.

without wanting to land myself in an argument, I cannot agree with that at all - United may have more fans worldwide, thats because of marketing in asia, notably china. Liverpool are more successful, and still one of the biggest clubs in the world, up there with your Real Madrids and AC Milans. Liverpool arguably have a larger European fan base. If a person has heard of Manchester United then they would have certainly heard of Liverpool.


Out of interest what does brand Liverpool look like? Does it have a specific logo like the crap one Cardiff has?

Liverpool has had a distinctive logo since the 1350s. Indeed, I can't think of a more recognisable logo, but I could be mistaken?

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this is the current (imho pretty basic and poor) branding:-
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Liverpool has had a distinctive logo for about 800 years now. Indeed, I can't think of a more recognisable logo, but I could be mistaken? It is the rhetorical brand I was speaking of Yoseph, I isn't tangible but is quite distinctive inasmuch as Liverpool being readily identifiable. For example, if you were to ask an American to locate Manchester (not a dig) he would, more often than not, say "in New Hampshire", ask the same person to locate Leeds or Cardiff, he would probably shrug. Ask that same person to locate Liverpool and the answer would be, "in England". Liverpool has a recognition, maybe thanks to the Beatles, far above it's position in the world or it's relevance. That's what I mean by the "Liverpool brand".

Please see sense! Just what type of recognition is afforded Liverpool do you think, if any, by the annual running of the Grand National, viewed world wide by an estimated 750 million people, or the regular televised golf Open Championship from Royal Liverpool and Royal Birkdale golf courses, with an estimated viewing audience of over a billion people?

Not bad for a small, rundown, crime ridden, failing English city living in the shadow of the worlds two greatest metropolis's, Leeds and Manchester.:ohno:

Who mentioned Manchester or Leeds, not me. Everytime I go abroad I see theatres showing plays written by a bloke from Stratford upon Avon. Does that make Stratford the most influential city in the annals of English literature. Not really.

Your local patriotism is laudable and typical of any expat, London is full of ex Mancunians saying how great Manchester is/was and the media is full of professional Yorkshiremen. All typical of cities and regions which have been overtaken by time, the reason why these people left in the firstplace.

Liverpool deserves more than just sport and the Beatles for in many ways these are what is holding the city back.Truly great cities like London, Paris, Tokyo and New York are known for being London, Paris, Tokyo and New York.

Not for whom came from them, or events that take place there or what happened there in the past. Truly great cities just exist in the present and are famous for simply existing.

Liverpool has the greatest skyline in the UK, unquestionably, so in a sense it has one of those ingredients for existing in the present that the truly great cities of the world have.

It's just that you don't recognize your own city's greatness, maybe because you left it, so you sound like one of those London Mancunians and those professional Yorkshiremen who churn out the usual stuff that has no real relevance.

Cardiff is a cpital in as much Edinburgh is a capital, is recognised within Europe as a capital city and thats why we are called the UK and not England (who has no individual capital to London).

I find it really hard to belive anyone outside the Uk (and most people in the UK under a certain age) would recognise the liver bird as being a symbol of Liverpool by just seeing a pic of it (afterall its just a bird with similar sybols around the world). The Liverpool logo looks simiolar to the London 2012 logo, im not a fan of either but Cardiffs is no better IMO.

I had no idea where the grand national is held (i always thought outside London as when introduced it doesnt say from 'Liverpool') and im sure this is the case for the huge majority, and this reafirms my point of people not caring where things come from. I think alot of people would know as much about Liverpool as any other industrial city in the UK, its silly to argue otherwise as my first lessons with foreign students confirms this. Most dont know the difference between England scotland wales and northern ireland! and a reason why alot of forumers on here call the whole country England.

As for Cardiffs brand its never been that visable due to the huge decline of the city (more so than liverpool id guess) but its on the up now due to the amazing redeveloment of the bay and now city center, also with devolution has brought more confidence and unity in a national brand (which the republic of ireland has had for quite some time, and is a bigger country than Wales). Cardiff is the fastest growing tourist destination in the UK (over 10 million visitors 2 years ago and i think Edinburgh gets 13 million - though undoubtably alot of visitors come for events at the arenas and stadia).

Isacc Newell the greatest skyline in the UK is London, and regional is currently on birmingham in the polls. liverpools is great but its all personal opinion and its definately one of my faves.

I'll have to agree with a few things there cardiff.

The Liver Bird - eh? As much a symbol of Liverpool as Vulcan is of Sheffield. I only know about both of them through this forum. They are in no way international (or even national) icons.

And the Grand National - I too had no idea it was in Liverpool until I read it on this forum.

Liverpool deserves more than just sport and the Beatles for in many ways these are what is holding the city back. Are you discounting the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra, Walker Art Gallery, Maritime Museum, Anglican Cathedral, School of Tropical Medicine, St George's Hall et al, all, I am told by the English Tourism Authority, are world class?
Liverpool has the greatest skyline in the UK, unquestionably, so in a sense it has one of those ingredients for existing in the present that the truly great cities of the world have. Yes, and in the HAL blurb for it's pax is described as "one of the most recognisable in the world".

this lot should go on the "your cities profile abroad" thread really

I find it really hard to belive anyone outside the Uk (and most people in the UK under a certain age) would recognise the liver bird as being a symbol of Liverpool by just seeing a pic of it (afterall its just a bird with similar sybols around the world). The Liverpool logo looks simiolar to the London 2012 logo, im not a fan of either but Cardiffs is no better IMO.

can you name the symbol for london, manchester, glasgow, leeds, cardiff, bristol, cardiff etc...? I can't. With regards to the Liver Bird, there was a soap opera of the same name during the 70s so the older generation would probably be aware of them too.

I had no idea where the grand national is held (i always thought outside London as when introduced it doesnt say from 'Liverpool') and im sure this is the case for the huge majority, and this reafirms my point of people not caring where things come from.

thats partially due to media ignorance in this country, especially the BBC. When the open was played in "Royal Liverpool" in 2006 year they called it Hoylake, they barely mentioned Liverpool at all. This years open is also in Merseyside, in Birkdale. They won't mention the Merseyside bit, they'll say sunny lancashire or some other rubbish. 600 million people watch the national btw. There are people around the country who don't know that Everton is in Liverpool because of the media. I've heard, more than once, people saying "I hope everton beat the scousers".

As for Cardiffs brand its never been that visable due to the huge decline of the city (more so than liverpool id guess)

can't agree with that, liverpool has declined from being the biggest port and 2nd or 3rd richest city in the world in the 19th century to a burnt out shell in and the poorest city in the UK in the 1980/90s. It was pulverised in the war, not just its merchant marine in the battle of the atlantic, but it was the second heaviest bombed city in the UK. Afterward, it took further, massive blows with the introduction of the EU, containerisation obsoleting most of the port facilities, the unions and then finally the ridiculous Militant council.

liverpools is great but its all personal opinion and its definately one of my faves.

ta! :okay:


anyway post some skylines! this is a skyline thread! :D


edit: liver birds was a sitcom not a soap opera and it ran for 10 years

Cardiff is a cpital in as much Edinburgh is a capital, is recognised within Europe as a capital city and thats why we are called the UK and not England (who has no individual capital to London).

I had no idea where the grand national is held (i always thought outside London as when introduced it doesnt say from 'Liverpool') and im sure this is the case for the huge majority, and this reafirms my point of people not caring where things come from. I think alot of people would know as much about Liverpool as any other industrial city in the UK, its silly to argue otherwise as my first lessons with foreign students confirms this. Most dont know the difference between England scotland wales and northern ireland! and a reason why alot of forumers on here call the whole country England.

As for Cardiffs brand its never been that visable due to the huge decline of the city (more so than liverpool id guess) but its on the up now due to the amazing redeveloment of the bay and now city center, also with devolution has brought more confidence and unity in a national brand (which the republic of ireland has had for quite some time, and is a bigger country than Wales). Cardiff is the fastest growing tourist destination in the UK (over 10 million visitors 2 years ago and i think Edinburgh gets 13 million - though undoubtably alot of visitors come for events at the arenas and stadia).

Isacc Newell the greatest skyline in the UK is London, and regional is currently on birmingham in the polls. liverpools is great but its all personal opinion and its definately one of my faves. If you are as travelled as you claim you would then know that it is only the UK press, mainly the Manchester based BBC, that omit Liverpool from the name of the race meeting, golf championship etc. Here in North America the broadcasts, news reports always have a Liverpool dateline.

I had no idea where the grand national is held (i always thought outside London as when introduced it doesnt say from 'Liverpool')

If you watched the build up as I do it's all they ever go on about,if you doubt me then watch it next year.

Are you discounting the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra, Walker Art Gallery, Maritime Museum, Anglican Cathedral, School of Tropical Medicine, St George's Hall et al, all, I am told by the English Tourism Authority, are world class?


That's not the reason people go to visit the worlds great cities. People don't go to New York because it has the Metropolitan Opera or because it has the Museum of Modern Art.

They go because it is New York.

I tell you what ...

These last few pages have been a shit read. Now ... Skylines.

^^ well said

off wikipedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Liverpoolskyline.jpg

No beef with the subject matter, but I don't particularly like HDR photos, they look fake, overexposed and have too much colour, so not a true representation of the real thing.

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer a good, real, no messing about pic.

^^ well said

off wikipedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Liverpoolskyline.jpg

Why not show the whole skyline, thats the most uninspiring part, glass boxes of varying heights and nothing else.

No I think that part of the skyline is really nice, looks like a mini modern New york, cant wait to see the future of Liverpool!

Why not show the whole skyline, thats the most uninspiring part, glass boxes of varying heights and nothing else.

yep there are much better shots kicking around, wonder if i could edit it.

There already is a New York, why can't it look like Liverpool.

There already is a New York, why can't it look like Liverpool.

:cheers:

yep there are much better shots kicking around, wonder if i could edit it.

I like the ones from inland, the view from Everton Brow is good and coming down the East Lancs Road you get those famouse silhouttes peeping over the suburban houses.

No need to be a mini New York, better to be a Liverpool.

That's not the reason people go to visit the worlds great cities. People don't go to New York because it has the Metropolitan Opera or because it has the Museum of Modern Art. I beg to differ Izzy, I was there three weeks ago just for a performance at the Met. I also go to shop (best city in the world for photo equipment) and to meet with friends. We would go about once a month for the theatre but not so much now that we live in Florida in the winter.

I had no idea where the grand national is held (i always thought outside London as when introduced it doesnt say from 'Liverpool') This can be laid at the doorstep of BBC Manchester, completely. Whenever there is a news item about metro Liverpool with a "good" message the BBC will place the locality in "North West England". Some examples; The Royal Liverpool Golf Club being misnamed, consistently, "Royal Hoylake"; The Grand National is run at Aintree, North West England"; Royal Birkdale Golf Club is located in "North West England" except, when militants, "from nearby Liverpool", vandalised some of the greens. When the IRA threatened a terrorist attack on the "Grand National in Liverpool". However, and when the expected disaster of 300,000 people being marooned in Liverpool didn't happen because of the good nature of the locals, the race course was now located in "Merseyside". The IRA attack on "Warrington near Liverpool" becomes "Warrington Greater Manchester" when the government is announcing some big science park development, and there are many, many more I could cite.

Lucky it is that only the BBC in North America do this, every North American news outlet dateline the news items like those examples above, with Liverpool. It is also fortunate that only ex-pats like myself watch BBC Canada/USA which, makes the BBC efforts to supplant Liverpool with some mythical area like North West England or Manchester, all the more futile.:ohno:

Since when has Manchester been mythical?

The BBC always mentions bad news in Greater Manchester, as Greater Manchester.

Don't do a Liverpolitan by thinking the media is conspiring against Liverpool.

It ain't.

If people think it is, then they just have an over-active imagination!!


edit - just realised this is the Best Present skyline Thread, lets get back on subject!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2178/2429110918_5f0b5e3492_o.jpg

CIS Tower is off the photo to the left, the other half of the city centre off the photo to the right!

just wanted to point out to liverpool forumers that when the millennium stadium is mentioned its always Cardiffs millennium stadium - is the distance from the center of the city a factor do you think?

Your probably right Cardiff. Whereas the Millennium stadium is clearly in the Middle of Cardiff and couldn't be claimed as anywhere else, we do in this country suffer from a significant town/country division, and as soon as something is outside the urban area it stops being tied to a city and either is tied to its historic county or is cut loose into an imaginary homogeneous English countryside. No one ever says Ascot (London), or Stonehenge (Salisbury) or Leeds Castle (Maidstone) because those places aren't "in" the city but in the countryside surrounding them.

This can be laid at the doorstep of BBC Manchester, completely
Complete and utter tripe, I'm afraid- were you in the UK during the national watching the same channel as me? Because not only did each and every presenter intoduce the racing course as 'Aintree, Liverpool' but the graphical idents did too. (Surprise, suprrise, search 'Aintree' on the BBC website and all you see is the word 'Liverpool' [1] (http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?uri=%2F&scope=all&go=toolbar&q=aintree)).Anyone who doesn't know that Aintree is practically on the doorstep of Liverpool City Centre needs to pay more attention to what they are watching :p

every North American news outlet dateline the news items like those examples above, with Liverpool.
Good for them, every one knows that US news outlets are a much better authority on English geography than an organisation based in the country. Indeed!

As for Warrington, it borders Salford, Trafford and Wigan (3 GM boroughs) and St Helens (1 Merseyside Borough), so what gives? I'm sure most people from Warrington associate themselves with neither.
and there are many, many more I could cite
Please do, could you also source them?

He aint worth it fella.

Like all ex pats he has an agenda. Hence he fled the mother country but can't resist telling everyone how wonderful it is. That's why he left, and stayed. Beatles syndrome!

Said countless times before..he's part of the conspiracy world.

Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it in for me!

The newspaper racing pages always call Aintree - Liverpool,

i.e. the 2:10 from Liverpool.

I beg to differ Izzy, I was there three weeks ago just for a performance at the Met. I also go to shop (best city in the world for photo equipment) and to meet with friends. We would go about once a month for the theatre but not so much now that we live in Florida in the winter.

That's a suburban thing. Eastern North America is basically a suburb of New York as the UK is a suburb of London.

You're not doing a good job of promoting Toronto here by the way.

People from outside the USA go to visit New York because it exists. Because it is New York, not for any specific place in New York.

As for Warrington, it borders Salford, Trafford and Wigan (3 GM boroughs) and St Helens (1 Merseyside Borough), so what gives? I'm sure most people from Warrington associate themselves with neither.


Actually the closest built up areas to Warrington are Newton-le-Willows, St Helens in Merseyside and Runcorn & Widness in Halton, which sees itself as part of merseyside too (google greater merseyside). The areas of GM bordering Warrington aren't built up for the most part. But you're right in that most people in Warrington would associate themselves with neither.


Sloyne has a point about BBC Manchester, although overstated, the BBC in general are similar. The last couple of weeks BBC NW tonight has been advertising Lindo man in Manchester or the swimming in MEN, and the other night i sat down to watch it, it was advertising a half hour special about the gangster problem in Liverpool. I turned it off, given the bigger problems in Manchester my comment to BBC Manchester would be "fucking cheeking bastards". You'd have to be blind or pig ignorant not to notice a bias!

I don't disagree that NW Tonight seems to feature more GM content than anything else, I expect this is because BBC Manchester are lazy. As for bias, you make it seem like all they do is wax lyrical about Manchester but then say nothing positive about elsewhere? I've seen plenty of reports on the programme about gun crime and other violence related problems in GM, in fact that's all they ever seem to be talking about here. I've seen similar reports for Liverpool, of course. I've also sat through long reports about Manchester and Liverpool and their initiatives, framed positively, whether it's hosting athletics events or the capital of culture and so on. All it seems to come back to is the fact BBC Manchester seem lazy and report more news from GM than the rest of the region, so perhaps they need a kick in the arse over that. As for being blind or pig ignorant, I can't say I sit eagle eyed looking for bias or contemplating every single news report that they do so who knows- but is this some mancunian conspiracy, does BBC Manchester not employ anyone from elsewhere in the country? I just don't see what they would have to gain from some anti-liverpool agenda, considering Manchester has the same, if not more problems- which I see them on about all the time.

The newspaper racing pages always call Aintree - Liverpool,

i.e. the 2:10 from Liverpool. Yes, they do, but BBC Canada/USA doesn't.

Then take it up with BBC America, because BBC here sure do.

it was advertising a half hour special about the gangster problem in Liverpool. I turned it off, given the bigger problems in Manchester my comment to BBC Manchester would be "fucking cheeking bastards". You'd have to be blind or pig ignorant not to notice a bias!

Yes, Ok chum.

Which premiership player turned down a transfer due to gangster threats?

Gerrard.

Unheard of in any other city!

just wanted to point out to liverpool forumers that when the millennium stadium is mentioned its always Cardiffs millennium stadium - is the distance from the center of the city a factor do you think? Yes I know and whenever there is an event at that facility the BBC Canada/USA will always introduce it as coming from "Cardiff's Millennium Stadium. Not so with Liverpool events and it has nothing to do with proximity to the city centre. Example: Setanta and Sky Sports, when reporting or broadcasting soccer events at Goodison Park will say words to the effect: "And now we take you over to Goodison Park, Liverpool for the start of the Everton v".......... BBC will introduce it as Goodison Park on Merseyside. The BBC seem, to me, to want to purge the name LIVERPOOL from the lexicon. Now some might say that it is in Merseyside and yes it is but, I have yet to meet anyone, other than Brits or those foreigners with some affiliation to that area who have actually heard of Merseyside, let alone locate it. Surely BBC know this too?

Yes, Ok chum.

Which premiership player turned down a transfer due to gangster threats?

Gerrard.

Unheard of in any other city! And believe me, it was reported on, ad nauseum, by the BBC in both Canada and the US. Fortunately, soccer being a cinderella sport on this continent, was not picked up by any of the network news outlets.:)

I don't disagree that NW Tonight seems to feature more GM content than anything else, I expect this is because BBC Manchester are lazy. As for bias, you make it seem like all they do is wax lyrical about Manchester but then say nothing positive about elsewhere? I've seen plenty of reports on the programme about gun crime and other violence related problems in GM, in fact that's all they ever seem to be talking about here. I've seen similar reports for Liverpool, of course. I've also sat through long reports about Manchester and Liverpool and their initiatives, framed positively, whether it's hosting athletics events or the capital of culture and so on. All it seems to come back to is the fact BBC Manchester seem lazy and report more news from GM than the rest of the region, so perhaps they need a kick in the arse over that. As for being blind or pig ignorant, I can't say I sit eagle eyed looking for bias or contemplating every single news report that they do so who knows- but is this some mancunian conspiracy, does BBC Manchester not employ anyone from elsewhere in the country? I just don't see what they would have to gain from some anti-liverpool agenda, considering Manchester has the same, if not more problems- which I see them on about all the time.

Agenda or not, editorial bias or not, I know its crap. When I don't turn it off for being crap (usually to catch LFC reports) I notice the bias, I can't help it, sorry. Its reporting in the main gives out a negative image of liverpool moreso than manchester. Its negative reporting of manchester is offset by the gushing and free advertising. I'm not actively looking for it, the crapness and bias presents itself like a lonesome floaty that wont flush. You don't want to look, but everytime you do, its there, happily bobbing around again :lol:

On a lighter note, this is how awful they can be. When BBC NW reported on Liverpool's new cruise liner terminal, the reporters and the cameraman where at Liverpool pier head, pointing the camera at twelve quays Irish ferry terminal, on the wrong side of the river, proclaiming an Irish ferry to be a cruise liner. The BBC NW/Liverpool website had an image of the Mersey ferry terminal. Laurel & Hardy could've done a better job.

Yes, Ok chum.

Which premiership player turned down a transfer due to gangster threats?

Gerrard.

Unheard of in any other city!

that story originated in THE SUN, I can't remember the reporters name but I'm pretty sure he supported Chelsea.

Then take it up with BBC America, because BBC here sure do. Have done and even taped some broadcasts, reduced them to DVD and mailed to the BBC in London. Got a letter of acknowledgement practically admitting bias with the following line; "as most of our regional reporting are supplied by our regional studios and obviously use local reporters, we have little control over how they might identify locations in their own areas.", or words to that effect. I knew that and wrote and told them so and asked if they were prepared to take any editorial action to stop this bias. I am yet to receive an answer and doubt I will get one seeing as this was about three years ago.

I am sure I haven't destroyed the correspondence so I will try and find the original letter and scan it, fully, if you want?

Come on, there's your own 'BBC conspiracy' thread on the forum, discuss it there!!

Come on, there's your own 'BBC conspiracy' thread on the forum, discuss it there!! But Chog, although not actually on topic, this is still an open forum and not city specific. So do have a bit of patience, the topic will die a natural death. They always do. Unless, of course, the subject makes you uneasy?;)

From wirralwebcam

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6498/waterfront1ga5.jpg

What you describe Yoshef sounds like an abundance of laziness, as I suspected, rather than an intentional bias or underlying agenda, which I can see now reason for. The BBC aren't alone, Manchester's own newspaper, the rag known as the MEN is responsible for some shockingly poor journalism as we've witnessed in its coverage of construction amongst other things in Manchester. Seems piss poor journalism is more to blame than anything else, that BBC Manchester happen to handle the North West obviously makes them accountable, but I don't see any blatant bias or intentional smearing at all- not that I watch it intently, admittedly- I like to get my news from more reputable sources. (Shame Granada is a pile of wank too!)

Yes, Ok chum.

Which premiership player turned down a transfer due to gangster threats?

Gerrard.

Unheard of in any other city!


Former Man Utd player Ronnie Wallwork was stabbed five times in Manchester in your posh Sugar Lounge.It goes on everywhere stop trying to make it a Liverpool thing.The London press always try and unsettle Liverpool's best players so they can have them,that story was never proven,never spoken of by Gerrard and was probably just sour grapes because he chose to stay in a city that actally wins the Champions League.

Yes, Ok chum.

Which premiership player turned down a transfer due to gangster threats?

Gerrard.

Unheard of in any other city! Hey Fly, why do you find it neccesary to malign another city? Does it make living in your own city a little more palatable? Do you think it makes your own city better for it? Do you think you would ever be able to trumpet your own city's attributes without trashing another city? Just wondering.

Hi Pal, Hmmm...somone posts about talk of gangsters in Liverpool reported on the BBC.
A scouser denounces the article as a fabrication.
I point out Gerrard mysteriously did not transfer to Chelsea twice, with the local gangsters to blame for pointing out the error of his ways.
I get blamed!

Marvelous!

Carry on Sloyne, your posts continue to leg end.

You are the best publicity another city could have!

Can a mod who should be checking these threads constantly delete the tribal bullshit that has dominated the last few pages. Its a great thread ruinied by egotistical city fascists and its got pretty boring now.

Sloyne being the biggest neanderthal.

Kempton Park is known as Kempton Park, not London Southwest.

^^I went to a work Christmas do there once.

It was shit.

Hey Fly, why do you find it neccesary to malign another city? Does it make living in your own city a little more palatable? Do you think it makes your own city better for it? Do you think you would ever be able to trumpet your own city's attributes without trashing another city? Just wondering.

Look who's talking..... :crazy:

I don't like it myself, lacks atmosphere being stuck between motorways and reservoirs and a major international airport.

Look who's talking..... :crazy:Obviously, my promoting/defending Liverpool is seen by you as maligning other cities.:ohno:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rikj/32347287/

the mersey is very reflective today
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/waterfront3.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/waterfront1.jpg
from wirralcam
http://www.wirralcam.org/waterfront.shtml

With thanks to Jerbers:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture301pppppppxxxxx.jpg

A couple of miles long... :D

good pic, beetham forming a pinacle there

Manchester is going to look brilliant in a few years when the skyscrapers that are U/c or approved have been built.
If it had some inbetween the city centre and Salford(?) it'll look even better.

With thanks to Jerbers:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture301pppppppxxxxx.jpg

A couple of miles long... :D

Sorry, but: http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3976/wiggleylinehd2.png


:lol:

Sorry, but: http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3976/wiggleylinehd2.png


:lol:

:llama:

will you ever stop trolling, baiting, and provoking people for completely no reason :ohno:

the mersey is very reflective today
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/waterfront3.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/waterfront1.jpg


lovely pic. It still manages to be a fantastic skyline even on a grey drizzley day.

The Liverpool pic has a sense of tranquility,the greyness adds a quality to it. Love it. That shot of Manchester is impressive too,it must be 5 or 6 miles wide at least,great cityscape.

With thanks to Jerbers:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture301pppppppxxxxx.jpg

A couple of miles long... :D

loving Old Trafford right in the middle

Sorry, but: http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3976/wiggleylinehd2.png


:lol:

:lol: Forgot about that! Sorry - will do next time!

With thanks to Jerbers:

A couple of miles long... :D

if you cut that in half and kept the right hand half, that would look awesome. The skyline to the left of Man U isn't particularly nice.

The skyline to the left of Man U isn't particularly nice.

That's Salford for ya! Well, the Quays and Pendleton.

The Quays will look fab once Media City is fully built to its potential.

Check out this model which Jrb spotted in a window:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/yoyoyoyo.jpg

The light reflecton hides a lot more buildings.

U/C is 4 x 26 Storey Towers plus 28 and 21 storey towers :)

That's Salford for ya! Well, the Quays and Pendleton.

The Quays will look fab once Media City is fully built to its potential.

Check out this model which Jrb spotted in a window:

The light reflecton hides a lot more buildings.

U/C is 4 x 26 Storey Towers plus 28 and 21 storey towers :)

that will look boss if it reaches its potential. All that would be needed then is to knock down that butt-ugly stadium and build some 'scrapers in its place ;)

that will look boss if it reaches its potential. All that would be needed then is to knock down that butt-ugly stadium and build some 'scrapers in its place ;)

You mean the cricket ground? Well, as long as they keep the pavillion. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/andy_k_/290408_1a.jpg

Big fire in Salford ?

:llama:

will you ever stop trolling, baiting, and provoking people for completely no reason :ohno:

Just take it with a pinch of salt mate.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/andy_k_/290408_1a.jpg

Is that a fire or sunrise?

must've been taken when i was visiting brum :yes:

must've been taken when i was visiting brum :yes:

i take it the curry you had there was quite hot then ;)

:puke: i hate curries :puke: well... mild coconut based ones are alright :yes:

doooble poost

That coconut soup which you get noodles and stuff in in Wagamama is amazing.

:puke: i hate curries :puke: well... mild coconut based ones are alright :yes:

A gentle introduction to currys might change your tastebuds :)

I used to hate curries and I'm a Brummie! :runaway:

^^but i like other spicy things like chillies :yes: :dunno:

erm...

skyline skyline!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2229/2443450674_08de456151_o.jpg

Thought it was Leeds in the foreground at first!

:jk:

Bleuch, I hate those filthy fuzzy bastards.

Where's that from Molly?

Thought it was Leeds in the foreground at first!

:jk:

Really? I thought it was Manchester. ;)

Where's that from Molly?

Opal? :dunno:

Bleuch, I hate those filthy fuzzy bastards.

well, it's Jpeg, there's nothing more we can do :pet:

brilliant pano by kebabman :)


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1st of May 2008 @4 pm

View of Liverpool

http://www.kebabman.tv/lastpanaromaofliverpool.jpg

:cool:

Am I the only one who thinks Liverpools Skyline is overated? It seems cold to me, not enough variation of colours, not enough trees and quite off balance?

if trees are a dominant factor of your skylines I'm guessing its a skyline with bungalows..

Am I the only one who thinks Liverpools Skyline is overated? It seems cold to me, not enough variation of colours, not enough trees and quite off balance?

I can't agree with the lack of colours. From the left, you have amongst others -

Turquoise - Alexandra Tower
White - City Lofts
Grey - Beetham 1
Black - The Plaza
Blue & Turquoise - Beetham West
Sand - The Capital
Black & Grey - Unity
Blue & Grey - One Park West
Sandstone - Anglican Cathedral

As regards the trees, I think this is what makes Liverpool unique compared to most UK cities. Most UK city skyline shots are taken from the outskirts looking in. As a result, trees are a common feature in the foreground of a number of skyline shots. With Liverpool, the skyline stands along the river. As such you end up with water in the foreground (and the potential for wonderful reflections), rather than trees. I quite like it actually. It makes Liverpool a bit different.

I do think our skyline needs a little fleshing out. Compared to several other cities, we lack quantity, resulting in an apparent lack of mass. (Although you could argue we make up in quality what we lack in quantity). However we will start filling in the gaps over the next few years, and also also expanding the scope of the skyline. The forthcoming Vermont Tower (which will appear a little to the right of the arena on the above skyline pano), will start this trend. Hopefully we can build on it.