Best Present Skyline [Archive] - Page 17

JayPeeDee

November 27th, 2010, 06:27 PM

To be honest I think this whole discussion is ridiculous. I mean let´s face it the only British cities worth mentioning here are London and Liverpool. Birmingham´s skyline is really poor and so i Leeds. Skyline wise both cities look like some random city you´d find in Russia, Manchester looks a bit better though. Then some people here have the nerve to call Warsaw´s skyline uninteresting, I mean it makes Birmingham look like..well shit.

Why don´t you people focus on the great architecture British cities have on street level instead and come back to this thread in 10 years when something worth calling a skyline has emerged in your cities.

Let's face it, the only reason you're trolling a UK forum is becuase there is fuck all in Finland. One of the most depressing countries I ever visited and bland as fuck. And ridiculously expensive to boot, in fact there is absolutely no reason to visit the place.

So not only are the skylines in Finland non-existant, there is no architecture of note, no interesting people, no interesting scenery (well there is in Scandinavia but none of it's in Finland), nothing at all and no reason to visit. Even the women are a let down, they are much more beautiful across the water in Estonia.

Conor

November 27th, 2010, 06:46 PM

Let's face it, the only reason you're trolling a UK forum is becuase there is fuck all in Finland. One of the most depressing countries I ever visited and bland as fuck. And ridiculously expensive to boot, in fact there is absolutely no reason to visit the place.

So not only are the skylines in Finland non-existant, there is no architecture of note, no interesting people, no interesting scenery (well there is in Scandinavia but none of it's in Finland), nothing at all and no reason to visit. Even the women are a let down, they are much more beautiful across the water in Estonia.

You'll find Northern Ireland takes all those titles actually :bowtie:

Leeds Troll

November 27th, 2010, 07:12 PM

To be honest I think this whole discussion is ridiculous. I mean let´s face it the only British cities worth mentioning here are London and Liverpool. Birmingham´s skyline is really poor and so i Leeds. Skyline wise both cities look like some random city you´d find in Russia, Manchester looks a bit better though. Then some people here have the nerve to call Warsaw´s skyline uninteresting, I mean it makes Birmingham look like..well shit.

Why don´t you people focus on the great architecture British cities have on street level instead and come back to this thread in 10 years when something worth calling a skyline has emerged in your cities.

Funny because this is the best Helsinki can do for a skyline, :bash: and then you have nerve to call Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester for not having skylines on the UK forum?
http://farrasoct.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/helsinki-skyline.jpg?w=474&h=359

Birmingham
http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss206/unauthorisedentry/DSC_6332-1.jpg

Leeds
http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a430/JayLeeds/SnapShot532.png

Manchester
http://www.andrewbrooksphotography.com/uploads/gallery/2460.jpg

All three, make helsinki skyline look shit.

Gareth

November 27th, 2010, 07:16 PM

Leeds Troll

November 27th, 2010, 07:21 PM

^^ To be fair, that's not Helsinki's skyline, rather a photo of one of its landmark buildings. I'd say Helsinki's skyline compares well to most cities in Britain, although the rest of Finland couldn't really say the same thing. Addtionally, that cathedral looks better than anything in those three photos you've posted and I would say that's the more 'boring' of the two cathedrals.

why is it, people look up to ancient shit?? as if it has some mega architectural merit over anything modern? i'm not being funny here but what you wrote is utter shit.

Conor

November 27th, 2010, 07:52 PM

Gareth

November 27th, 2010, 07:53 PM

why is it, people look up to ancient shit?? as if it has some mega architectural merit over anything modern? i'm not being funny here but what you wrote is utter shit.

Haha, 'ancient shit'. Stop it mate, you're embarrasing yourself...

Anyone in Leeds with any sense of taste would happily have something of this calibre...

http://graymonk.mu.nu/photographs/mausi/stnicholas/060702_cathedral01.jpg

or this...

http://www.polyglot-learn-language.com/UserFiles/Image/467px-Uspenski_Cathedral_Helsinki(2).jpg

And Leeds has what? The town hall's nice (well, it is 'ancient shit' after all) but I can't think of much else. I don't subscribe to the Leeds bashing that goes on in here, but Helsinki blows Leeds and many, if not most British cities, out of the water when it comes to skyline and architecture.

JayPeeDee

November 27th, 2010, 08:04 PM

... Helsinki blows Leeds and many, if not most British cities, out of the water when it comes to skyline and architecture.

No it doesn't. Helsinki has very little of architectural merit. True, there are some nice buildings but I could find more nice buildings in Coventry than Helsinki. And as for skyline, what skyline? I expect you will come back with 'skyline doesn't have to mean tall buildings' however this is a 'skyscraper' forum and therefore the majority on here will consider this to be the most important aspect of a skyline.

Perhaps your comments would be more relevant on www.lowrisemediocrity.com.

Leeds Troll

November 27th, 2010, 08:12 PM

Don't you mercilessly attack Brum for having barely any 'ancient shit' though? The effort, design and quality is almost always far superior, not to mention buildings efficiency and detailing on any pre brutalist structure. Compare a Victorian train station to one built in the 60's. The Victorian one will most likely be as grand, spacious, well-kept and pleasant as it was 100 odd years ago, however the 60's one will most likely be dark, dingy, dated, unkempt and reeking of piss. It's the general consensus that architecture from the Classical/Georgian/Victorian/Edwardian is far superior for many as opposed to more modern stuff. I wouldn't disagree that we are entering a new period of fantastic architectural design though. The key is in the detailing imo. Of course if you are a fan of Brutalist or PoMo, your opinion will most likely differ greatly.

I know I would take the cathedral over any tower in the UK (other than perhaps a few in London) A skyline is the least important aspect of 99% of cities. Would you rather promote your city through its skyline of streetscape? (out of curiosity)

Tbf a great city needs both a good skyline and good streetscapes to be great imho, i'm not saying that all modern architecture is fantastic, but if we be honest there has been some mega structures built in recent times which are such an achievement for man, just like a catheral is a huge achievement for man, but to say eveything which is ancient has some superiority over modern architecture is absolute bull! that's all i'm saying, and if i be honest no i wonldn't choose many buildings in Leeds over that cathedral in helsinki even though it's quite nice looking and looks quality theres only so many buildings i would replace it with. but thats just my opinion...

Leeds Troll

November 27th, 2010, 08:18 PM

http://www.polyglot-learn-language.com/UserFiles/Image/467px-Uspenski_Cathedral_Helsinki(2).jpg

What is that heap of shit, if you think thats something really special your bonkers mate :nuts:

Gareth

November 27th, 2010, 08:22 PM

No it doesn't. Helsinki has very little of architectural merit. True, there are some nice buildings but I could find more nice buildings in Coventry than Helsinki. And as for skyline, what skyline? I expect you will come back with 'skyline doesn't have to mean tall buildings' however this is a 'skyscraper' forum and therefore the majority on here will consider this to be the most important aspect of a skyline.

Perhaps your comments would be more relevant on www.lowrisemediocrity.com.

Hilarious. Yes, skyline doesn't mean tall buildings and this supposedly being a 'skyscraper' forum doesn't change the fact. If you think having a shit highrise skyline is better than a nice lowrise skyline, that's your own, subjective and bad taste.

Not only does Helsinki have lots of decent low & midrise buildings, mostly older but some of the modernist stuff is good too, it also has much better urbanism, with nice, high-density and vibrant downtown neighbourhoods (such as Töölö), something all UK cities outside of London are woeful at in comparision and in many ways, is actually more important than the skyline thing. Most other Finnish cities are crap though, although it should be noted that these cities are much smaller than either Helsinki or the likes of Leeds.

Still, whether you like it or not, most of the new stuff in this country is either crap at worst or mediocre at best. This is mainly down to whiny pressure groups like CABE & EH influencing planners who are often already provincial-minded and scared of new things. Certainly non of the modern stuff in Leeds is anything special (though not as bad as what a lot of people on here seem to think) - certainly not in any way that puts it anywhere near Helsinki.

Perhaps your comments would be more relevant on midrisemediocrity.com because that what most of the stuff you toss off over actually is.

Gareth

November 27th, 2010, 08:24 PM

What is that heap of shit, if you think thats something really special your bonkers mate :nuts:

Keep kidding yourself mate.

Leeds Troll

November 27th, 2010, 08:27 PM

Keep kidding yourself mate.

Let's be serious now, would you get on the plane tomorrow to visit that heap of shit in helsinki you keep tossing off to ;)

Gareth

November 27th, 2010, 08:32 PM

Done it mate. It's a stunning building, especially when lit up at night. Inside is just wonderful. I know Helsinki well and I know what's good and what's bad about it. The same with Finland as a country.

Leeds Troll

November 27th, 2010, 08:35 PM

Done it mate.

Oh Well that's to bad, rather you than me :lol: i wouldn't of even attempted to myself, you would after be rather screwed in the head if i'm honest. :nuts:

JayPeeDee

November 27th, 2010, 08:39 PM

Hilarious.

Wasn't being funny. Helsinki's small by comparison to most UK cities and has a small city feel to it.

Of all the capital cities I've visited, and most of the world's major cities, Helsinki is firmly in last place of those I would visit again. Sorry, but it just doesn't rock my boat. My opinion.

Conor

November 27th, 2010, 08:45 PM

Tbf a great city needs both a good skyline and good streetscapes to be great imho, i'm not saying that all modern architecture is fantastic

Not necessarily. There are plenty of fantastic cities with no skyline that draw plenty of tourists and businesses. Stockholm, Copenhagen, Munich, Berlin, Rome, Athens, Dublin, Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow... Many people go to Paris, but I doubt any go there to see La Defence. Same for London and Canary Wharf. Of course there are cities such as NYC, Chicago and even Dubai that at least part rely on scrapers to draw people in, but they are in the minority. I just can't see why a city needs a skyline to be great if everything else is there?

, but if we be honest there has been some mega structures built in recent times which are such an achievement for man, just like a catheral is a huge achievement for man,

They are indeed. I could never deny that the best modern structures have jaw-dropping engineering and effort put into them as any older pioneering structure would have had. Unfortunately this isn't true for the majority of today's builds though :( It's all about profit, profit, profit.

but to say eveything which is ancient has some superiority over modern architecture is absolute bull!

Not everything, but the majority do. The best older structures will always trump the best modern structures imo.

that's all i'm saying, and if i be honest no i wonldn't choose many buildings in Leeds over that cathedral in helsinki even though it's quite nice looking and looks quality theres only so many buildings i would replace it with. but thats just my opinion...

And I respect that, but surely if you considered, you'd have it over the majority of new builds in the city? I know I would for mine.

dj4life

November 27th, 2010, 09:09 PM

Mr Bricks

November 27th, 2010, 09:40 PM

Funny because this is the best Helsinki can do for a skyline, :bash: and then you have nerve to call Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester for not having skylines on the UK forum?
http://farrasoct.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/helsinki-skyline.jpg?w=474&h=359All three, make helsinki skyline look shit.

Wow take it easy. If you like nondescript 60s office blocks then Birmingham definitely takes the biscuit. Not that I really know what Helsinki has to do with any of this.

I never mentioned Helsinki, because I know that when it comes to modern high-rises Helsinki has none. I would never go compare it with Rotterdam or Liverpool. Maybe this will change is the future though:

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8867/908596.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/908596.jpg/)

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6088/908595.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/i/908595.jpg/)

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8203/keilaniemitowerslansiva.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/keilaniemitowerslansiva.jpg/)

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8984/manhattaniltamustikkama.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/manhattaniltamustikkama.jpg/)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1696/2eef2h19.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/2eef2h19.jpg/)

Helsinki's small by comparison to most UK cities and has a small city feel to it.

Is it? When it comes to city population only Birmingham is bigger, Glasgow just a tiny bit smaller. The metropolitan area is smaller but that has got nothing to do with city vibe. Roads are wide both in the city centre and beyond, and there are plenty of big motorways, ringways and junctions in the outer areas. And the city is growing rapidly.

When it comes to transport (big city characteristic) Helsinki kills most British cities. The tram network is far larger than anything you have in the UK, and Birmingham and Manchester don´t even have subways! Secondly architecture in Helsinki is tall and grand and as Gareth pointed out Helsinki is physically denser and more urban than many major British cities. Dublin is the only "British" city I´ve been to (outside London) and compared to Helsinki it feels very underwhelming.

Helsinki has very little of architectural merit

Again you are misinformed. The classical city core is beautiful and the Jugend style inner city areas are unique in Europe.

Paul D

November 27th, 2010, 09:47 PM

That's a beautiful building,are you serious Leeds Troll?

yoshef

November 27th, 2010, 10:07 PM

Again you are misinformed. The classical city core is beautiful and the Jugend style inner city areas are unique in Europe.

Helsinki needs a 200m+ statue of Linus Torvalds.

JayPeeDee

November 27th, 2010, 10:59 PM

Is it? When it comes to city population only Birmingham is bigger, Glasgow just a tiny bit smaller. The metropolitan area is smaller but that has got nothing to do with city vibe. Roads are wide both in the city centre and beyond, and there are plenty of big motorways, ringways and junctions in the outer areas. And the city is growing rapidly.

When it comes to transport (big city characteristic) Helsinki kills most British cities. The tram network is far larger than anything you have in the UK, and Birmingham and Manchester don´t even have subways! Secondly architecture in Helsinki is tall and grand and as Gareth pointed out Helsinki is physically denser and more urban than many major British cities. Dublin is the only "British" city I´ve been to (outside London) and compared to Helsinki it feels very underwhelming.

Helsinki = 584,000

Official UK city numbers based on, in most cases, very poorly drawn boundaries:
Birmingham 1,000,000
Glasgow 629,000
Liverpool 470,000
Leeds 443,000
Sheffield 440,000
Edinburgh 430,000
Bristol 420,000
Manchester 394,000

This excludes the metro areas as you say, which IMO and most others opinion definitely do add to the city vibe. Maybe the outer suburbs of Helsinki add fuck all to the city, so 0 + 0 = 0.

I'm glad you have wide roads and motorways in Helsinki, presumably that's to let the people out of the boring hell hole that it is.

I would expect Helsinki to have better transport than Sheffield, a similar sized city. Helsinki is a capital city after all.

If you are judging all other British cities outside London on your visit to the IRISH city of Dublin then no wonder you have the opinions you do. At least I have been to Helsinki a couple of times and therefore am in a better position to judge and have an opinion than someone who is basing theirs on a few photos and what other people have said. Can I suggest you INFORM yourself by visiting some of these places you are slagging off?

Leeds Troll

November 27th, 2010, 10:59 PM

That's a beautiful building,are you serious Leeds Troll?

Which building are you talking about?

Leeds Troll

November 27th, 2010, 11:01 PM

Leeds Troll

November 27th, 2010, 11:03 PM

Not necessarily. There are plenty of fantastic cities with no skyline that draw plenty of tourists and businesses. Stockholm, Copenhagen, Munich, Berlin, Rome, Athens, Dublin, Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow... Many people go to Paris, but I doubt any go there to see La Defence. Same for London and Canary Wharf. Of course there are cities such as NYC, Chicago and even Dubai that at least part rely on scrapers to draw people in, but they are in the minority. I just can't see why a city needs a skyline to be great if everything else is there?

They are indeed. I could never deny that the best modern structures have jaw-dropping engineering and effort put into them as any older pioneering structure would have had. Unfortunately this isn't true for the majority of today's builds though :( It's all about profit, profit, profit.

Not everything, but the majority do. The best older structures will always trump the best modern structures imo.

And I respect that, but surely if you considered, you'd have it over the majority of new builds in the city? I know I would for mine.

It's just my opinion mate.. :)

tommygunn

November 27th, 2010, 11:23 PM

Official UK city numbers based on, in most cases, very poorly drawn Manchester 394,000

Dont let fly boy see that.

Paul D

November 27th, 2010, 11:49 PM

Which building are you talking about?

What is that heap of shit, if you think thats something really special your bonkers mate

The one you said that about,it's a beautiful old building.^^

Mr Bricks

November 27th, 2010, 11:55 PM

Helsinki = 584,000

Official UK city numbers based on, in most cases, very poorly drawn boundaries:
Birmingham 1,000,000
Glasgow 629,000
Liverpool 470,000
Leeds 443,000
Sheffield 440,000
Edinburgh 430,000
Bristol 420,000
Manchester 394,000

Whatever, so Helsinki is third, my bad.

This excludes the metro areas as you say, which IMO and most others opinion definitely do add to the city vibe. Maybe the outer suburbs of Helsinki add fuck all to the city, so 0 + 0 = 0.

Well you and "most others" are very wrong then. Just look at American cities. Atlanta is home to 5 million people and still its down town area looks like Croydon. LA is similar, small non-urban city centre, massive metropolitan area. Birmingham is a joke of a city considering it is home to 1 million people! All the Nordic capitals are sooo much more urban, denser and overall more city like.

I'm glad you have wide roads and motorways in Helsinki, presumably that's to let the people out of the boring hell hole that it is.

Using mean words are we :lol:

Look I don´t know what your problem is but the only reason I mentioned this is because I want to highlight than unlike British suburbia, where even the high streets are small cluttered roads lined with run down victorian row houses, Helsinki has spacious, green and modern suburbs.

Helsinki is hardly a hell hole in fact according to people in the world forums it is among the most beautiful capitals in Europe. Birmingham on the other hand has been voted a hell hole even in the "rate our skylines" section :lol:

I would expect Helsinki to have better transport than Sheffield, a similar sized city. Helsinki is a capital city after all.

Helsinki probably has better transport than all British provincial cities. Sheffield looks small and suburban compared to Helsinki never mind the population figures.

Look how small and town like Helsinki is compared to the English Manhattan that is Sheffield:lol:

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2825/sheffieldcitycentre4.jpg (http://img577.imageshack.us/i/sheffieldcitycentre4.jpg/)

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4205/o02dmq.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/o02dmq.jpg/)

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2488/4820914993d4aab6af97b.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/4820914993d4aab6af97b.jpg/)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4231/4810794426baf87cb0feb.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/4810794426baf87cb0feb.jpg/)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/809/hernesaari2.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/hernesaari2.jpg/)

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1429/129561697ff96cb90cdo.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/i/129561697ff96cb90cdo.jpg/)

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/464/hki2.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/hki2.jpg/)

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/176/img81430.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/img81430.jpg/)

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4412/kopiomg3981.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/kopiomg3981.jpg/)

If you are judging all other British cities outside London on your visit to the IRISH city of Dublin then no wonder you have the opinions you do. At least I have been to Helsinki a couple of times and therefore am in a better position to judge and have an opinion than someone who is basing theirs on a few photos and what other people have said. Can I suggest you INFORM yourself by visiting some of these places you are slagging off?

You are a god damn liar, you´ve never been to Helsinki that´s quite obvious. I picked Dublin because it is essentially a British city and one of the largest/densest/most urban in the British Isles.

JayPeeDee

November 28th, 2010, 12:05 AM

You are a god damn liar, you´ve never been to Helsinki that´s quite obvious. I picked Dublin because it is essentially a British city and one of the largest/densest/most urban in the British Isles.

I would retract that if I were you, before I prove it with plenty of photos of the place. I have been there twice, once on business and once for 'pleasure' (well, the only pleasure I had was when I left). I stayed at the Crowne Plaza and have proof if you so desire to act like a small kid. Or perhaps you are?

And I love your photos, sorry artists impressions of Helsinki. Mmmmm. :lol: I actually prefer Sheffield if I'm being honest, and its got much more going for it.

Paul D

November 28th, 2010, 12:07 AM

That bottom picture's stunning Mr.Bricks.:cheers:

Leeds Troll

November 28th, 2010, 12:19 AM

Everyone get your areial view pictures out ;)

http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/melfiire/SnapShot870.png

http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/melfiire/leeds_aerial.jpg

http://speardesign.co.uk/blog/wp-content/gallery/current-wallpaper/leeds-rooftops-orig.jpg?35012001

Mr Bricks

November 28th, 2010, 12:34 AM

I would retract that if I were you, before I prove it with plenty of photos of the place.

Yeah from google no doubt.

I have been there twice, once on business and once for 'pleasure' (well, the only pleasure I had was when I left). I stayed at the Crowne Plaza and have proof if you so desire to act like a small kid. Or perhaps you are?

Don´t embarrass yourself. You are the only one throwing insults around and acting like a child. Why do you hate the city so much? Got your arse kicked while you were visiting or something?

And I love your photos, sorry artists impressions of Helsinki. Mmmmm.

Well I was about to explain that bit but then arrived at the conclusion that you will probably (hopefully) work that out on your own.

I actually prefer Sheffield if I'm being honest, and its got much more going for it.

Oh really? What a surprise!

Paul D

November 28th, 2010, 01:00 AM

I don't understand what you're seeing Leeds Troll but that bottom picture posted by Mr Bricks wipes the floor with what you posted and this isn't city bashing either,just a simple observation,I genuinely think that picture's so much better.I'm neutral on this but I'm really puzzled as to what you're being impressed by? I can't even make out that bottom shot.

Leeds Troll

November 28th, 2010, 01:04 AM

yoshef

November 28th, 2010, 01:11 AM

Leeds Troll

November 28th, 2010, 01:16 AM

Yeah good for you gobshites

Sandblast

November 28th, 2010, 02:04 AM

Some more images of Helsinki .... never been myself, but some of the city looks a tad familiar to me ....

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g92/Benonie/Finland/Helsinki/Fin-Est-Letland267.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/211/458975543_cd8286bfcf.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:5mNiTKMd1LLygM:http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/samulir/Helsinki/fb3c1505.jpg&t=1http://www.hotels-helsinki.com/images/hotels/scandic-continental/hotel-5384-33575.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3025/2870538047_7a968a6787.jpg?v=0

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:XM8U8QKCALpLBM:http://www.sics.se/~humble/images/finland/helsinki/helsinki1.jpg&t=1http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Merihaka,_Helsinki_in_winter_1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Merihaka,_Helsinki_in_winter_4.jpg
http://www.vastavalo.fi/albums/userpics/11336/haka2.jpg

JayPeeDee

November 28th, 2010, 10:57 AM

I agree with Paul, and Finland was never Soviet bloc.

Finland was ruled by Russia until 1919 so indeed does have much influenced by the 'Soviets' (granted the Soviet Union was formed in 1921, but I don't think you mean 'Soviet bloc' literally).

JayPeeDee

November 28th, 2010, 11:06 AM

Don´t embarrass yourself. You are the only one throwing insults around and acting like a child. Why do you hate the city so much? Got your arse kicked while you were visiting or something?

Mmm. I think you started it all with this:

To be honest I think this whole discussion is ridiculous. I mean let´s face it the only British cities worth mentioning here are London and Liverpool. Birmingham´s skyline is really poor and so i Leeds. Skyline wise both cities look like some random city you´d find in Russia, Manchester looks a bit better though. Then some people here have the nerve to call Warsaw´s skyline uninteresting, I mean it makes Birmingham look like..well shit.

I don't 'hate' Helsinki. Have you ever heard the saying 'people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'? I was merely responding to your post that every UK city skyline bar London and Liverpool is shit, stating that if you live in Helsinki then you really, really shouldn't be saying that. :lol:

Mr Bricks

November 28th, 2010, 12:16 PM

wipes the floor, in what way would that be? just look at the state of helsinki it's a typical eastern european shit hole you could find simler views in Russia or in most of the blocks next to russia, hardly anything great just like my post of Leeds was a joke see the "wink".??:nuts:

Eastern Europe?? You should really learn your history/geography, Finland is part of Western Europe you fool. Helsinki was in fact planned to resemble the Russian city of St Petersburg - on of the most beautiful cities in Europe.

Some more images of Helsinki .... never been myself, but some of the city looks a tad familiar to me

You´d be able to find architecture like this all over Europe, it´s the big picture that matters i.e. how the central areas look over all. Luckily all those places (most of them outside the city centre) are undergoing redevelopment.

Have a look: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=928516&highlight=

Finland was ruled by Russia until 1919 so indeed does have much influenced by the 'Soviets' (granted the Soviet Union was formed in 1921, but I don't think you mean 'Soviet bloc' literally).

Wrong. Finland became independent in 1917 and was never part of the Soviet block. We were blessed with some really awesome Russian architecture during the 19th century though :banana:

I don't 'hate' Helsinki. Have you ever heard the saying 'people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'? I was merely responding to your post that every UK city skyline bar London and Liverpool is shit, stating that if you live in Helsinki then you really, really shouldn't be saying that.

Right so in order to criticize skylines of other cities your home city´s skyline has to be superior? Eh..? Currently Helsinki has no modern skyline, but only a historic one that does make many provincial cities in Britain look bad. What I said was that most modern skylines in the UK are unimpressive and architecturally poor which is true. London and Liverpool are exceptions I think most people would agree. Of course there are many beautiful historic skylines in Britain such as Edinburgh, Oxford, Glasgow etc..

JayPeeDee

November 28th, 2010, 12:59 PM

Wrong. Finland became independent in 1917 and was never part of the Soviet block. We were blessed with some really awesome Russian architecture during the 19th century though :banana:

Oh, so I was 2 years out, sorry, and I specifically stated it was not part of the 'soviet bloc'. But since the Soviet Union was formed just four years after Finland became independent you could form a link between the two although TECHNICALLY it was never soviet bloc.

Right so in order to criticize skylines of other cities your home city´s skyline has to be superior? Eh..?

No, never said that. I said that you should look closer to home for a shit skyline instead of criticising cities you have never visited in the UK. At least I have visitied Helsinki and can comment based on first hand experience.

Currently Helsinki has no modern skyline, but only a historic one that does make many provincial cities in Britain look bad. What I said was that most modern skylines in the UK are unimpressive and architecturally poor which is true. London and Liverpool are exceptions I think most people would agree. Of course there are many beautiful historic skylines in Britain such as Edinburgh, Oxford, Glasgow etc..

The definition of a 'skyline' is: the outline of a city seen against the sky. Hence SKYline. Helsinki doesn't really have a skyline, hence the reason you had to post numerous pictures from an aeroplane with no sky backdrop.

Helsinki does have some nice streetscapes, I have seen them first hand. However, if you were to actually visit some UK cities other than London you would realise your comments about 'provincial UK cities' are not based on fact but a very poorly researched opinion using photos and for a large part biased comments and photos posted on SSC.

Mr Bricks

November 28th, 2010, 01:30 PM

Oh, so I was 2 years out, sorry, and I specifically stated it was not part of the 'soviet bloc'. But since the Soviet Union was formed just four years after Finland became independent you could form a link between the two although TECHNICALLY it was never soviet bloc.

The bottom line is that you had no idea what you were talking about. The link between the fall of the tsar, the February and October revolutions and the declaration of independence is obvious but that doesn´t make Helsinki a Eastern European hell hole. Not that I understand this logic. Some of the most beautiful cities in Europe are located in the east.

No, never said that. I said that you should look closer to home for a shit skyline instead of criticising cities you have never visited in the UK. At least I have visitied Helsinki and can comment based on first hand experience.

But we were discussing British cities! That has nothing to do with Helsinki. Even if I truly lived in some god forsaken shithole it doesn´t change the fact that most modern skylines in Britain are shit.

The definition of a 'skyline' is: the outline of a city seen against the sky. Hence SKYline. Helsinki doesn't really have a skyline, hence the reason you had to post numerous pictures from an aeroplane with no sky backdrop.

Well it has a historic skyline of spires and domes but no real high-rises. The aerials were just to show that it is Sheffield, not Helsinki, that looks like a small town.

Helsinki does have some nice streetscapes, I have seen them first hand. However, if you were to actually visit some UK cities other than London you would realise your comments about 'provincial UK cities' are not based on fact but a very poorly researched opinion using photos and for a large part biased comments and photos posted on SSC.

I would really like to visit other great British cities and, as I said in my first post, I really like the architecture found in cities in the UK, but again the skylines are usually poor.

yoshef

November 28th, 2010, 01:32 PM

JPD, this is what was said...

wipes the floor, in what way would that be? just look at the state of helsinki it's a typical eastern european shit hole you could find simler views in Russia or in most of the blocks next to russia, hardly anything great just like my post of Leeds was a joke see the "wink".??:nuts:

He's alluding to the post war crap thrown up in the Warsaw Pact countries

JayPeeDee

November 28th, 2010, 02:01 PM

JPD, this is what was said...

Thanks for pointing that out. I was merely stating that, although Finland was never under 'Soviet' rule it was ruled by Russians.

I couldn't be bothered to read LTs post, I ignore them for the most part. :)

JayPeeDee

November 28th, 2010, 02:12 PM

The bottom line is that you had no idea what you were talking about. The link between the fall of the tsar, the February and October revolutions and the declaration of independence is obvious but that doesn´t make Helsinki a Eastern European hell hole. Not that I understand this logic. Some of the most beautiful cities in Europe are located in the east.

I am not from Finland and conducted my research using Google. One website that I used eronously listed Finland's independance as 1919. I am gutted that I took that at face value instead of researching further. Sorry.

As for Helsinki being a hell hole, it is. My opinion based on fact. However, I never described it as Eastern European, you confused me with someone else.

I would really like to visit other great British cities and, as I said in my first post, I really like the architecture found in cities in the UK, but again the skylines are usually poor.

I'm glad you would like to visit other British cities. It would be great to hear your comments AFTER your visit as you may have changed your opinion. You will note that I have never formed an opinion of a city until I have visited it. I tend to keep an open mind, which is a trait that most find beneficial in life.

Leeds Troll

November 28th, 2010, 02:54 PM

Thanks for pointing that out. I was merely stating that, although Finland was never under 'Soviet' rule it was ruled by Russians.

I couldn't be bothered to read LTs post, I ignore them for the most part. :)

hmm :hahano:

Mr Bricks

November 28th, 2010, 03:01 PM

I am not from Finland and conducted my research using Google. One website that I used eronously listed Finland's independance as 1919. I am gutted that I took that at face value instead of researching further. Sorry.

I forgive you.

As for Helsinki being a hell hole, it is. My opinion based on fact.

If you honestly believe that you make most places in Britain look even worse for a quick look on maps, aerials and google earth confirms what everybody already knows: Helsinki is denser, more urban and architecturally superior to places like Leeds, Birmingham and Sheffield.

However, I never described it as Eastern European, you confused me with someone else.

No you did´t, I just wanted to make that clear.

I'm glad you would like to visit other British cities. It would be great to hear your comments AFTER your visit as you may have changed your opinion. You will note that I have never formed an opinion of a city until I have visited it. I tend to keep an open mind, which is a trait that most find beneficial in life.

I never form an opinion of a city until I have visited it either, not per se. However, it is quite easy to know a city´s structure, skyline and architecture beforehand. Level of urbanity, density, pedestrian-friendliness and transport can also be known without visiting the city in question. If a city does not fill these criteria I would probably not like it. But as we all know there´s more to a city than this e.g. people, vibe, charm, entertainment, culture etc.

Of course I´d have to visit to know if the city is a pleasant place in itself, and I have never said that any British city is crap in itself. However, neither Sheffield nor Birmingham perform very well when confronted with the criteria I listed above. Maybe they are great cities to visit nonetheless. Do you see the difference?

Bachy Soletanche

November 28th, 2010, 04:10 PM

Helsinki needs a 200m+ statue of Linus Torvalds.
[nerd joke]
New skyscraper design for the Helsinki skyline.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3546/3650409063_45c8de687d.jpg
[/nerd joke]

yoshef

November 28th, 2010, 04:25 PM

[nerd joke]
New skyscraper design for the Helsinki skyline.

[/nerd joke]

Tux Tower? I thought that had slipped by unnoticed, glad someone was paying attention!

VoldemortBlack

November 28th, 2010, 09:47 PM

Not my city, but this is a great view of Sheffield's skyline:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Sheffield_wide_from_Meersbrook_Park.jpg

albionfagan

November 28th, 2010, 10:39 PM

Helsinki is a perfectly nice city, Leeds forumers again showing their class by attacking a prestigous European city.

indiekid

November 29th, 2010, 01:02 AM

While I find Scandinavian architecture to sometimes be a bit sterile (though I like Jugendstil), British cities could learn a lot from Helsinki. A city with intelligent urban planning, proper urban neighbourhoods and a decent transport system.

Yorkshire Boy

November 29th, 2010, 12:30 PM

Helsinki is a perfectly nice city, Leeds forumers again showing their class by attacking a prestigous European city.

No, just one forumer... who undoubtably has more respect for the shit that comes out of his arse than other people and their cities.

Suburban Knight

November 29th, 2010, 01:13 PM

Helsinki is a perfectly nice city, Leeds forumers again showing their class by attacking a prestigous European city.

Are you once again chatting shit? Leeds Troll is ONE forumer. Most of the people attacking Helsinki were Brummies.

Leeds Troll

November 29th, 2010, 02:59 PM

No, just one forumer... who undoubtably has more respect for the shit that comes out of his arse than other people and their cities.

Hang on a minute, you think i'm not entitled to my own opinion because it doesn't match everyone elses on this forum? too fucking bad mate, you can all lump it, i think you will find that this is a forum where people make their own opinions, and argue their opinions out if they want to or find it necessary to do so, we all have different taste and we all have different ideas, and just because your ideas or your taste doesn't match most peoples out there doesn't mean that i don't have a right to have that opinion does it...
:ohno: fucking nobhead

Leeds Troll

November 29th, 2010, 03:04 PM

Helsinki is a perfectly nice city, Leeds forumers again showing their class by attacking a prestigous European city.

You will find it's matter of opinion in life, not because someone else said it is.

Yorkshire Boy

November 29th, 2010, 05:53 PM

Hang on a minute, you think i'm not entitled to my own opinion because it doesn't match everyone elses on this forum? too fucking bad mate, you can all lump it, i think you will find that this is a forum where people make their own opinions, and argue their opinions out if they want to or find it necessary to do so, we all have different taste and we all have different ideas, and just because your ideas or your taste doesn't match most peoples out there doesn't mean that i don't have a right to have that opinion does it...
:ohno: fucking nobhead

LOL. "mate", you clearly didn't read what I said. I said you don't RESPECT other forumers. I welcome any opinion even if it is TOTALLY opposite to my own, but what you tend to say isn't an opinion, it's an insult to other people and the cities they represent. Your quite frankly childish and naive and whats more you give Leeds and Loiners a bad name on this forum.

kids

November 29th, 2010, 06:55 PM

on that sheffield picture, the houses are mainly red-brick on the right, and towards the left the stone starts appearing.. does that just corrospond with richer areas?

AndrewC

November 29th, 2010, 07:54 PM

To be blunt, yes. ^^

That picture is a couple of years old. For all its hideous appearance, City Lofts should now be 'pride of place'

Mr Bricks

November 29th, 2010, 10:44 PM

British cities could learn a lot from Helsinki. A city with intelligent urban planning, proper urban neighbourhoods and a decent transport system.

Maybe, but Helsinki has a lot to learn as well: a) learn how to built interesting and iconic modern architecture (lots of nimbyism in this city) b) understand that demolition and redevelopment is often the best solution opposed to endless renovation. Loads of potentially amazing urban spaces are left to rot. We need to tear down our nasty post-war buildings like you do in Britain, not repair them. On a positive note, nothing old and beautiful EVER gets demolished in this city.

Suburban Knight

December 2nd, 2010, 12:21 PM

LOL. "mate", you clearly didn't read what I said. I said you don't RESPECT other forumers. I welcome any opinion even if it is TOTALLY opposite to my own, but what you tend to say isn't an opinion, it's an insult to other people and the cities they represent. Your quite frankly childish and naive and whats more you give Leeds and Loiners a bad name on this forum.

Well said. Certain posts do give the city a bad name!

Portobello Red

January 2nd, 2011, 08:59 PM

Liverpool
canon 65 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/canon65/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5161/5306603563_730694810f_b.jpg

10123

January 4th, 2011, 02:01 AM

And the funkiest skyline goes too....
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6285/61580918.jpg

Portobello Red

January 4th, 2011, 07:23 AM

Liverpool
Pete Marsden (http://www.flickr.com/photos/petesimages/)
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1337/5150575065_0300f75173_b.jpg

yoshef

January 7th, 2011, 05:08 PM

great photo by John Davies

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/john-davies-westtower.jpg

tommygunn

January 7th, 2011, 09:05 PM

Something needs too be done with all that empty space.

Portobello Red

January 9th, 2011, 06:32 PM

Liverpool
matt6t7 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/matt6t7/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5162/5333666559_92c31518c8_b.jpg

oscar9

January 9th, 2011, 10:50 PM

nice, taken from that city beacon thing?

Paul D

January 9th, 2011, 11:07 PM

nice, taken from that city beacon thing?

More likely the Anglican Cathedral tower,fantastic picture that,I'll have to go back up there myself in Summer.:cheers:

Richard_A

January 10th, 2011, 12:08 AM

great photo by John Davies

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/john-davies-westtower.jpg

Looks a lot like Rotterdam in that photo...

http://www.fotosvanrotterdam.nl/pix/02/2185.jpg

cardiff

January 10th, 2011, 12:03 PM

With the exception of the white tower, Liverpool is doing much better architecturaly in thoise two pics. Lets hope something a bit more connected up streetwise is built in Liverpool.

Portobello Red

March 5th, 2011, 03:51 PM

Liverpool
Pic by Liverpool Suburbia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/liverpoolsuburbia/5496718960/in/pool-liv)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5138/5496718960_4fb1c7270d_b.jpg

Portobello Red

March 12th, 2011, 09:54 AM

Liverpool
Mr Wetwood (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24412201@N05/5485399836/in/pool-21st_century_liverpool)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5177/5485399836_b569095b9c_b.jpg

VoldemortBlack

March 13th, 2011, 01:11 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3347/3658459458_c98c79d3e8_o.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/15217738.jpg

Brum X

March 13th, 2011, 02:28 PM

A good pic of Manchester, its good becouse it looks dense and big. :)

oscar9

March 13th, 2011, 03:43 PM

That last pic is quite old, the huge CJC is missing, leftbank etc the density is even more now. Manchester is denser than most of its photos suggest,

EuxTex

March 13th, 2011, 05:09 PM

Manchester is denser than most of its photos suggest,And Karl Pilkington is living proof.:)

Couldn't resist that one. The devil made me say it.:lol:

oscar9

March 13th, 2011, 06:58 PM

who's Karl Piklington:lol:

Lad 2011

March 14th, 2011, 01:09 AM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5133/5520329170_4f414d0d1c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34449428@N03/5520329170/)
leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34449428@N03/5520329170/) by kerry mcmullen (http://www.flickr.com/people/34449428@N03/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5058/5520325810_3816aa45bd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34449428@N03/5520325810/)
P1070158 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34449428@N03/5520325810/) by kerry mcmullen (http://www.flickr.com/people/34449428@N03/), on Flickr

10123

March 14th, 2011, 11:04 PM

Eurrgh stop posting horrible pics of Leeds on this thread :lol:

Anyway when browsing for an apartment in Leeds I came across a very city view.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7918/leedsb.png

MR KITE

March 15th, 2011, 10:55 PM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/5524675184_56558d698a_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5133/5525426035_e8cd866fb1_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/people/tpickering/

Portobello Red

July 23rd, 2011, 07:28 AM

Liverpool - Liver Building - 100 years old this week
3peaker (http://www.flickr.com/photos/54894481@N04/)
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6143/5964992461_a15a422cab_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6138/5965549000_8cce561cf5_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6134/5964994021_1fd19d54fa_b.jpg

ferge

July 24th, 2011, 03:54 PM

Liverpool should be doing these projections on a regular basis, it's very reminiscent of Hong Kong's light shows every night (so fun to watch), Whilst Liverpool doesn't have the quantity of buildings to do the same thing, it has got the iconic graces to focus all attention to. What a great tourist attraction it would be and bring so many people down each time it was hosted to maximise use of the waterfront/Liverpool 1 etc at night.

I went to York yesterday and en route I was impressed with the view of Leeds that you gain when looking at it from the east. The four towers (including Opal, Plaza, Broadcasting House, North tower (?)) make a great little cluster that I would hope the city could build on.

10123

July 24th, 2011, 08:46 PM

I hope this next skyline view of Leeds put to rest the view that Leeds is so close to the country side that sheep wander the streets.

And yes the image encompasses the whole of Leeds....

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6212/leedsskyline.png

lol

10123

July 24th, 2011, 08:50 PM

I went to York yesterday and en route I was impressed with the view of Leeds that you gain when looking at it from the east. The four towers (including Opal, Plaza, Broadcasting House, North tower (?)) make a great little cluster that I would hope the city could build on.

There are some more student monstrosities planned for that area, and yes they aren't much better than Opal :cry:

Portobello Red

August 16th, 2011, 08:42 PM

Liverpool
SamanthaH2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/61901909@N05/5637117193/in/photostream)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5223/5637117193_959b2ecb27_b.jpg

Brummyboy92

August 16th, 2011, 09:14 PM

That honestly is an amazing picture.

belfastuniguy

August 16th, 2011, 11:33 PM

That honestly is an amazing picture.

Agreed

Portobello Red

August 19th, 2011, 03:58 PM

From the same group of pics:

Liverpool
SamanthH2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/61901909@N05/5637693172/in/photostream/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5104/5637693172_954d695e09_b.jpg

Brummyboy92

August 19th, 2011, 09:35 PM

WOW, so jealous right now.

TheFly

August 19th, 2011, 09:49 PM

From the same group of pics:

Liverpool
SamanthH2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/61901909@N05/5637693172/in/photostream/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5104/5637693172_954d695e09_b.jpg

Easily the best skyline shot in the UK there?

Even London cannot get that water perspective with the foreground activity as well.

Can I move Manchester? Swap?

Chogmook

August 19th, 2011, 10:59 PM

That's mint.

joshwebb

August 21st, 2011, 10:55 AM

Liverpools skyline would not look so good if it wasn't by the sea. Is it the only proper skyline by the sea that we have in the uk?

Ecological

August 21st, 2011, 11:49 AM

Great picture.

But fuck me. Honestly ... I wake up, drive to work and look at something better then that most days during the winter sun.

I've brought a camera now so it's time to highlight just how much Birmingham kicks the living daylights out of every city.

I say this with a passion. That has nothing on what we get to witness most days of the year. Think it's about time us Brum forumers get trigger happy.

Brum X

August 21st, 2011, 12:38 PM

I agree, however you cannot dismiss the quality of that photo and the Liverpool skyline.
In my opinion you cannot compare the skylines of Liverpool and Birmingham, they are 2 totally different skylines.
Liverpool skyline is just full of gran·deur and yes the water location helps alot. Howver once you move around to the back, then the skyline pics would become very different and quite mediocre in my opinion.

Birmingham skyline on the other hand is just full of grittiness and makes a great skyline but in a totally different way, some people may call it bland but in the same way it becomes great also. And its a big skyline, no matter in which direction a picture is taken.

Ecological

August 21st, 2011, 01:16 PM

Bland? I'm taking a trip to Hockley and going to go snap happy. The view from there literally pisses on anything this thread has seen to date.

yoshef

August 21st, 2011, 01:48 PM

That's just the city centre waterfront skyline. These shots are from Liverpool Skyline Blog (http://liverpoolskyline.blogspot.com/), taken near Wallasey Town Hall.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_75nw5U_0NIQ/SXPBq0m-PLI/AAAAAAAAAV8/T5y6lm8V_C8/s1600/21.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_75nw5U_0NIQ/SXO7tTV_qWI/AAAAAAAAAVU/ecj0E8rrimk/s1600/19.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_75nw5U_0NIQ/SXO4pbAr-nI/AAAAAAAAAUk/4MpPnx_a4XI/s1600/4.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_75nw5U_0NIQ/SYHH-oIutPI/AAAAAAAAAXQ/4PdCF9lhV30/s1600/Panorama2.jpg

yoshef

August 21st, 2011, 01:49 PM

If you get down to Woodside or Seacombe, central Liverpool is pretty much in your face, up close and personal, from left to right. (again, just the city centre)

scroll -->

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5109/5607652133_056219c2a9_o.jpg

Paul D

August 21st, 2011, 02:56 PM

An alternative early morning view from Alfred Dock I think,even if I say so myself,that's quite special and I don't think anyone from here would be willing to swap it in a hurry.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5575/51305977.jpg

oscar9

August 21st, 2011, 05:14 PM

I had to nip into Lancaster House on work related issues the other day, its just behind Beetham West, some good views from the canteen:)

ferge

August 21st, 2011, 05:57 PM

Liverpool Waters could literally give Liverpool the opportunity to have one of the best skyline's in Europe, easily. At the moment, great as it is.. you just feel aggravated at all that space that is screaming out for some serious development.

Yorkshire Boy

August 21st, 2011, 06:11 PM

This thread is making me want to live on the Wirral. :shifty:

The Liverpool skyline somehow perfectly brings together a Miami-eque backdrop to a lovely classical foreground. I love it.

10123

August 21st, 2011, 07:26 PM

Most cities have potential. Liverpool has tonnes of Barron land that will take 50 years to fill up, same with Leeds too.

Does Manchester/Birmingham have much space?

Portobello Red

August 21st, 2011, 07:44 PM

Last two from SamanthaH2011 - the Flickr notes say that the pics were taken at 2pm during a sea fog:

Liverpool
SamanthaH2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/61901909@N05/5637114391/in/photostream/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5104/5637115275_c0405ee5d1_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5637114391_eaba27a0ba_b.jpg

JayPeeDee

August 21st, 2011, 08:02 PM

Most cities have potential. Liverpool has tonnes of Barron land that will take 50 years to fill up, same with Leeds too.

Does Manchester/Birmingham have much space?

There's loads of barren space in Birmingham waiting to be filled, loads.

Paul D

August 21st, 2011, 08:46 PM

Most cities have potential. Liverpool has tonnes of Barron land that will take 50 years to fill up, same with Leeds too.

Does Manchester/Birmingham have much space?

Yes but ours is in a prime position on the Waterfront,it's an amazing location and will sit perfectly next to what we already have.You only have to look at the new museum to see the difference a low rise building makes to a Waterfront,imagine a loads of tallish buildings.

yoshef

August 21st, 2011, 09:00 PM

Most cities have potential. Liverpool has tonnes of Barron land that will take 50 years to fill up, same with Leeds too.

Does Manchester/Birmingham have much space?

Quality over quantity.

http://www.peelitc.co.uk/images/linked/EZ-PP%202011-07-29%2014;09;36.jpg

Paul D

August 21st, 2011, 09:39 PM

And that doesn't even cover where the Exhibition Centre is going by the arena.

ill tonkso

August 22nd, 2011, 12:53 AM

Portsmouth has sod all apart from the Northern Quarter site and some land at Fratton Park :\

Oh well, looks like the only way is up ;)

Ecological

August 22nd, 2011, 11:57 AM

View from new Edgbaston Stand.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6067/6059507072_ec03353ff7_b.jpg

And on the land issue. Birmingham is full of land waiting to be re-developed plus the city has Europes largest re-generation plan which will see the city expand by 50% of it's current size within 20 years.

VoldemortBlack

August 22nd, 2011, 12:05 PM

Manchester has loads of wasteland too; across the river(?) /canal(?) from Spinningfields, Middlewood Locks, Pomona Island (a real island!), then all the land behind MediaCityUK which will be used in Phase 2 & 3, behind the CIS Tower, which is being developed into "NOMA", behind Piccadilly station, First Street area, Granada Studios site (and across the river from there, too), Eastlands ..

Central Manchester really is surrounded by wasteland.

ill tonkso

August 22nd, 2011, 01:47 PM

What was at Spinningfields before the modern office complex?

EuxTex

August 22nd, 2011, 02:54 PM

Manchester has loads of wasteland too;
Central Manchester really is surrounded by wasteland.There are those who would say that the whole of Manchester is a wasteland. :rofl:

Paul D

August 22nd, 2011, 02:59 PM

It's a sad reflection on this Country that all of our cities have so much wasteland,and they wonder why there's riots.

yoshef

August 22nd, 2011, 03:20 PM

These are boss, a kind of Central Docks wasteland explorer...

Bridge over canal link
http://www.liverpoolwaters.co.uk/flash/linked/LW_10.swf?width=1600&height=1200

Clarence Dock (infilled now, site of the old power station)
http://www.liverpoolwaters.co.uk/flash/linked/LW_11.swf?width=1600&height=1200

Dockers Clock area.
http://www.liverpoolwaters.co.uk/flash/linked/LW_20.swf?width=1600&height=1200

http://www.liverpoolwaters.co.uk/flash/linked/LW_19.swf?width=1600&height=1200

old graving dock
http://www.liverpoolwaters.co.uk/flash/linked/LW_14.swf?width=1600&height=1200

Collingwood / Salisbury dock area
http://www.liverpoolwaters.co.uk/flash/linked/LW_25.swf?width=1600&height=1200

Paul D

August 22nd, 2011, 03:24 PM

I seriously hope these are developed in my lifetime,these places could be amazing.Thanks for the pictures Yoshef.

yoshef

August 22nd, 2011, 03:32 PM

I seriously hope these are developed in my lifetime,these places could be amazing.Thanks for the pictures Yoshef.

:cheers: There's loads more here -> http://www.liverpoolwaters.co.uk/content/360gallery.php

You can spin them around and zoom in and out, and get a real feel for the area (minus the wind and smell).

Paul D

August 22nd, 2011, 03:50 PM

:cheers: There's loads more here -> http://www.liverpoolwaters.co.uk/content/360gallery.php

You can spin them around and zoom in and out, and get a real feel for the area (minus the wind and smell).

Thanks.:)

tommygunn

August 22nd, 2011, 04:37 PM

Conor

August 22nd, 2011, 05:17 PM

Belfast's sheer amount of waste land is horrific. :ohno: And even worse is that a lot of it still hasn't been incorporated into serious regeneration plans. Fuck the credit crunch.

http://www.google.com/maps?q=belfast&hl=en&ll=54.60602,-5.925792&spn=0.007333,0.030899&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.59616,93.076172&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=54.60602,-5.925792&panoid=Ct4TLB0yALg4-Yr_XXvyEA&cbp=12,210.83,,0,2.38

http://www.google.com/maps?q=belfast&hl=en&ll=54.599031,-5.912144&spn=0.007334,0.030899&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.59616,93.076172&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=54.599031,-5.912144&panoid=WZIvVaavFNoRbdJdWDNxLg&cbp=12,288.46,,0,6.5

http://www.google.com/maps?q=belfast&hl=en&ll=54.609737,-5.905511&spn=0.014664,0.061798&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.59616,93.076172&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=54.609737,-5.905511&panoid=RWGDTu8uboJlLCb9650BCg&cbp=12,96.25,,0,3.19

http://www.google.com/maps?q=belfast&hl=en&ll=54.603357,-5.921652&spn=0.007333,0.030899&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.59616,93.076172&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=54.603455,-5.921597&panoid=O-mBFGYtZTepYkmnGeY3FA&cbp=12,73.76,,0,1.75

EDIT: Absolutely FAB skyline pics though!!

10123

August 22nd, 2011, 06:30 PM

The majority of Leeds wasteland is un-planned for, only south Banks master-plan is.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4764/mappz.png

Basically everything highlighted is disused warehouses/brewery's and brown field.

VoldemortBlack

August 22nd, 2011, 08:07 PM

What was at Spinningfields before the modern office complex?

It was just a few buildings I believe. If you go on Google Earth, hover over Spinningfields, then go to the time scroll thingy and set it at the year 2000 you can see what Spinningfields used to be :)

JayPeeDee

August 22nd, 2011, 08:14 PM

Basically everything highlighted is disused warehouses/brewery's and brown field.

I doubt that very much. There'll be tens if not 100+ small and medium sized businesses in the area you highlighted.

10123

August 22nd, 2011, 08:32 PM

I doubt that very much. There'll be tens if not 100+ small and medium sized businesses in the area you highlighted.

Yeah its a mix but a large amount is wasteland. For example next to Clarence Dock is Tetley's brewery which is a huge site, now closed and left dormant.

Leeds city council have highlighted these areas and labeled them as areas for development, suprising as some are indeed business but I guess the council will place a Compulsory Purchase Order on the tenants. Leeds council forced the tenants/residents of China town to move for Eastgate no doubt they will do the same for any other development.

ferge

August 22nd, 2011, 08:55 PM

Toadboy

August 22nd, 2011, 09:02 PM

I doubt that very much. There'll be tens if not 100+ small and medium sized businesses in the area you highlighted.

Aye, the proper businesses.

Conor

August 22nd, 2011, 09:39 PM

It is frustrating to see how much wasteland there is around our major cities, when we live in such a small, yet densely populated country. We are still seeing swathes of greenbelt and greenery succumbing to massive Barratt et al housing schemes, when we should be putting quality housing on these very sites.

+100000

Is this a problem only in the UK within western Europe? I don't notice it much when I travel about the rest of the continent.

10123

August 22nd, 2011, 09:54 PM

Could any other European country rival our industrial revolution?

No, not at all. Most of these areas were factories, and since the decline of the industrial revolution these areas have been left dormant.

yoshef

August 22nd, 2011, 10:14 PM

Go to Germany, they've still got factories and people who work in them. In the UK we've swapped all that for brownfield, call centres and a bunch of besuited gamblers.

Toadboy

August 22nd, 2011, 11:00 PM

10123

August 23rd, 2011, 12:35 AM

Vision for Leeds...

http://leeds-sdg.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/LSDGReportJun11-final.pdf

If we ever see the whole area developed it will double the size of the city center.

Some facts about the area..

* 210 Acres

* Hope is to create over 50,000 residents workers

* Area needs to have strong infrastructure;
"For comparison, a typical town with
a population of 15,000 would
have five primary schools, a
secondary school, parks, a wide
range of shops and many social
and employment opportunities."

http://leeds-sdg.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/cropped-change-copy3.jpg

10123

August 23rd, 2011, 12:58 AM

And this is Southbanks...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5081/5240982117_97938a4eaa.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/idb1979/5240982117/) Leeds Skyline from Bridgewater Place (http://www.flickr.com/photos/idb1979/5240982117/) by idb1979 (http://www.flickr.com/people/idb1979/), on Flickr
Basically the only area that isn't up for redevelopment is Clarence dock in the very distance. The buildings to the bottom left is Asda HQ which is expected one day to leave its premises to expand.

10123

August 23rd, 2011, 01:01 AM

Anyway.....

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/5549522479_a84233bb10_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27677450@N05/5549522479/)
Leeds City Centre (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27677450@N05/5549522479/) by popmanstensgaard (http://www.flickr.com/people/27677450@N05/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5292/5549520495_901ba98404_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27677450@N05/5549520495/)
Bridgewater Place (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27677450@N05/5549520495/) by popmanstensgaard (http://www.flickr.com/people/27677450@N05/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5062/5549518591_9c8f255919_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27677450@N05/5549518591/)
Leeds City Centre (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27677450@N05/5549518591/) by popmanstensgaard (http://www.flickr.com/people/27677450@N05/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5550099434_29ef3459b3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27677450@N05/5550099434/)
Leeds Panorama (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27677450@N05/5550099434/) by popmanstensgaard (http://www.flickr.com/people/27677450@N05/), on Flickr

10123

August 23rd, 2011, 01:06 AM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2583/4163411504_34e61494b2_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meerstone/4163411504/)
Old and new skylines Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/meerstone/4163411504/) by meerstone (http://www.flickr.com/people/meerstone/), on Flickr

Karlos87

August 23rd, 2011, 02:03 AM

i like the skyline of Leeds... its very impressive. I went to York the other day and the view from the motorway is pretty damn cool! Bridgewater and Sky Plaza make it look amazing! Deffinately one of the UK's best skylines!

1 - London
2 - Liverpool
3 - Leeds
4 - Birmingham
5 - Manchester

10123

August 23rd, 2011, 04:07 AM

Erebus555

August 23rd, 2011, 08:44 AM

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh, I still can't stand Bridgewater Place. So soul-less.

Gherkin

August 23rd, 2011, 10:39 AM

BWP isn't soulless, it killed that man a few months ago. Evil, yes, soulless, nope.

Ecological

August 23rd, 2011, 10:47 AM

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6067/6059507072_ec03353ff7_b.jpg

Qauntity yes but quality no.

With development comes quality.

yoshef

August 23rd, 2011, 11:25 AM

Paul D

August 23rd, 2011, 03:48 PM

With development comes quality.

Not necessarily,probably just more of the same tat that's been going up for Decades all over the Country.

10123

August 24th, 2011, 08:26 PM

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh, I still can't stand Bridgewater Place. So soul-less.

Its a beast...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5251/5456516091_667254df4a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoff_france/5456516091/)
Old and New form the Quays (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoff_france/5456516091/) by Geoff France (http://www.flickr.com/people/geoff_france/), on Flickr

LNGCats

August 24th, 2011, 08:30 PM

It looks like it alongside some countryside pub in that picture.

10123

August 24th, 2011, 08:41 PM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5298/5395218035_11873e73db_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/idb1979/5395218035/)
Power Stations from Bridgewater Place, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/idb1979/5395218035/) by idb1979 (http://www.flickr.com/people/idb1979/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5395815656_6af0be4e8f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/idb1979/5395815656/)
Power Stations from Bridgewater Place, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/idb1979/5395815656/) by idb1979 (http://www.flickr.com/people/idb1979/), on Flickr

Portobello Red

August 24th, 2011, 08:57 PM

Correct Joe. There's been a certain snobbery about the economy in the UK. The impact has been that we don't really have one any more - not a balanced, wealth generating one anyway.

Liverpool's derelict land is prime for port activities including warehousing, value added finishing, mercantile trading and brokering - there's huge capacity in a future necessity; a deep water ocean port with a hinterland of 10 million people.

Now that's where an economy can be recreated. not sure what the provincial cities will do with their brownfield - call centre, housing, regional logistics and cheap admin?

^^
Toad is right - call centres and the like create bland environments which in turn nurture bland people.

The pic posted by Yoshef is just a fantastic urban environment:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5171/5390505348_cb278dd134_b.jpg
Copyright Dave Ellison (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mad-dogs/)

This pic shows the wider area:

Liverpool
McCann photography (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevmccann/5418999157/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5177/5418999157_5c1a16df18_b.jpg

10123

August 24th, 2011, 08:59 PM

The whole of Leeds......

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6159/leedsk.png

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1852/leeds1.png

aek-94

August 24th, 2011, 10:43 PM

LNGCats

August 24th, 2011, 11:49 PM

http://www.siliconfen.com/ is what bland, dull warehouses can give a first world country.

You'll be forever disappointed if you think that any port in 2011 in the western world is going to make the local population rich.

Not even in Rotterdam could it be said that a port on it's own will create a prosperous, wealthy city - how many people work directly or indirectly for the biggest port in Europe?

Time to move on, knowledge is where the money is and it matters not one jot whether you are in your back bedroom, a dull bland warehouse in Slough or the sexiest building in London.

yoshef

August 25th, 2011, 12:30 AM

....

Toadboy

August 25th, 2011, 10:39 AM

Ah, the knowledge economy. For that to really pay, generate wealth, feed and protect the UK, we'll need to apply it as well as think about it.

Anyone who thinks we can have an economy and a society without mass employment is deluded.

LNGCats

August 25th, 2011, 11:08 AM

It's about having a mixed economy, some manufacturing (probably alot more than we see today) in what many on here would consider dull, none descript warehouses like Trafford Park.

We need lower skilled office jobs for those who are not going to be working at the top end of the knowledge economy. Be those in IT, in back office role or whatever, those types of jobs are very important to any cities economies.

However, as a first world economy, with high wages, high levels of employment protection (costing the employers more money), we are not going to compete with China in the low level manufacturing, however, we can export around the world our services and skills.

As I said in the Manchester forum yesterday, I walked down Oxford Rd earlier this week, there are thousands of students in town from abroad. They are all bringing in vast sums of money into the local economy through tuition fees, living costs etc.

That is a very obvious, very in your face, example of a local part of the economy doing very well and exporting the knowledge and making plenty of money from it.

Toadboy

August 25th, 2011, 01:16 PM

EuxTex

August 25th, 2011, 02:43 PM

I walked down Oxford Rd (Manchester?) earlier this week, there are thousands of students in town from abroad. They are all bringing in vast sums of money into the local economy through tuition fees, living costs etc.But almost every "city" in the world has a university, from Albuquerque to Zurich and Zagreb to Antofagasta, and all are competing for college students. Just what makes you think that your particular college will triumph over Miami, Melbourne, Marseilles, Montreal, Manila, Montevideo or Mumbai? As for students having "vast sums of money" to spend (on tuition or otherwise), I would dispute this just by drawing from my own and my contemporaries experience at college. Most of us worked to help put ourselves through school. I don't know but, maybe Manchester does attract a super wealthy crop of students and maybe students with "vast sums of money" in Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow, Liverpool and Sheffield are less "in your face" than they are in Manchester. My guess would be 'not'.

I'm not sure how many jobs there are though in a port that is going to essentially import already manufactured products?

I dunno, I am probably missing something.Apart from cargo (container) handling, isn't Liverpool aiming to become a turnaround port for the cruise industry? This being the case then rather than use Baltimore as an example, why not use Miami or Port Everglades? Both of these ports cater to cargo and leisure traffic with the former being the largest cruise port in the world. Cruise ships turning (in 12 hours) are very labor intensive, what with baggage handling, resupply, bunkering, pilotage, customs, emigration, health services, hotel and hospitality jobs for both pre and post cruise guests staying and using said facilities. I would think yes, you are "missing something". Also, those pre and post passengers aswell as those passengers aboard those ships visiting spend quite a lot of money, maybe not "vast sums" like those students in Manchester but never the less spending money and money is the reason companies locate/re-locate.

LNGCats

August 25th, 2011, 03:00 PM

I agree with all that Metro.

My point stands, Liverpool is well placed as a port to develop the old industrial/mercantile districts with new economies. Whilts a lot can be done without being location dependent, much will occur due to location.

Possibly.

Just re-watching The Wire on FX (or whatever channel it is) at the moment. They are in series two, the one set at Baltimore port.

The bit that was telling, not least from the reaction of the union officials, was the video they got shown of Rotterdam, busiest port in the world (when the Wire was made anyway) shifting 350m tonnes of cargo and employing fewer than 4,000 staff as it had all been automated, reducing the injuries to staff (as they'd been replaced by robots) and reduced theft since the robots don't rob.

Sure, I am sure that anxillary jobs come about as a result of having a port near by and it is certainly an advantage, however, I do think the importance is being very over played here.

Trafford Park (only using this example as it is one I know) is highly successful at the types of activities you are talking about, from Kelloggs, to wine, to bread to high tech electronics, all manaufactured, assembeled at TP.

The reason it does well? I am guessing the excellent motorway connections to the rest of the UK I presume.

I'm not sure how many jobs there are though in a port that is going to essentially import already manufactured products?

I dunno, I am probably missing something.

yoshef

August 25th, 2011, 03:42 PM

26,000 people employed directly & indirectly in the maritime sector in Liverpool.

JamesWales

August 25th, 2011, 04:00 PM

A couple of different views of Cardiff.

This one presumably taken from Weston, or maybe Flat Holm Island.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lMecvFVqwdc/TRXFgECAKYI/AAAAAAAACXU/ln2mY2hPewU/s1600/PC240729%2528Z%2529.JPG

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/54/17/1541752_c1519fec.jpg

cardiff

August 25th, 2011, 09:43 PM

Great first pic!!!!! The second one i see every day lol

aek-94

August 25th, 2011, 09:52 PM

I like the view of Cardiff Bay, showing the Pierhead Building, the Senedd, and Wales Millennium Centre.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd388/akeller94/800px-Cardiff_Bay.jpg

It reminds me of Torchwood :)

Saul Silver

August 25th, 2011, 11:04 PM

Its a shame really how the majority of Cardiffs skyline is a stadium. However it is a nice city.
Also I thought BWP was an mediocre building but after actually seeing it in the flesh last week I realised how awful it is, the quality of it close up is shocking.

cardiff

August 25th, 2011, 11:23 PM

What a disparaging post in all ways Saul_Silver. While i agree the stadium has a large impact on Cardiffs skyline, it certainly isnt the majority of it. I thought BWP looked better in person than in photos, we definately have oposing views on things.

Saul Silver

August 25th, 2011, 11:36 PM

Look at the 1st photo on post 4173.
Fair enough if your including every single building, okay let me rephrase.

Its a shame really how Cardiffs skyline is dominated by a stadium.

Accura4Matalan

August 25th, 2011, 11:45 PM

I must admit I agree. While many seem to like the idea of it being present, I've never really thought the Millennium Stadium did Cardiff's skyline any favours.

JamesWales

August 26th, 2011, 11:18 AM

It’s quite possible to get photos of Cardiff City Centre without the stadium, but yeah, undeniably, it does crop up in many photos!

It’s spikes are something like 130m tall, so aside from London it would dominate, or play a very visible role in any cities skyline, and with a footprint of around 20,000 square metres, it’s a pretty big building.

I agree, it’s not necessarily beautiful, but it’s striking, it’s symbolic of Cardiff and Wales and I do like seeing it in photos. The city skyline has improved markedly in recent years, and I think the Millennium Stadium is a good complement to the taller buildings.

Anyway, it’s one of the greatest stadiums in the world in my opinion, and the benefits of it being in the city centre outweigh any potential negatives impacts it has on the skyline.

Lot’s of rumours at the moment of imminent changes at the Millennium Stadium/Cardiff Arms Park site anyway, with new developments and the stadium being ‘finished off’, capacity increased, convention centres built and all sorts.

yoshef

August 26th, 2011, 02:42 PM

The stadium looks fine.

James, the masts are 90m tall.

JamesWales

August 26th, 2011, 02:51 PM

The stadium looks fine.

James, the masts are 90m tall.

I stand corrected.

cardiff

August 26th, 2011, 04:20 PM

I think the stadium looks good on the skyline, its the most recognisable building in the city (from a distance) and the recent tall buildings complementing the skyline. Most of the tall buildings are to the east as you can see in my pic

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5280/5879877255_13bbf78ddf_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21732688@N03/5879877255/)
P6269208 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21732688@N03/5879877255/) by stephenanstiss (http://www.flickr.com/people/21732688@N03/), on Flickr

cardiff

August 26th, 2011, 10:41 PM

From tonight, my pic

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6187/6083231101_3f31f0ecb2_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21732688@N03/6083231101/)
P8269756 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21732688@N03/6083231101/) by stephenanstiss (http://www.flickr.com/people/21732688@N03/), on Flickr

Portobello Red

August 27th, 2011, 08:24 AM

Liverpool
Lee Carus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_caruso/4910453337/in/pool-52242121198@N01/)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4910453337_cdb8b73ac8_b.jpg

Portobello Red

September 2nd, 2011, 08:48 PM

Liverpool
CorkyWirral (http://www.flickr.com/photos/corky100/with/6097364889/)
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6017/6097364889_c6f5bf6897_b.jpg

aek-94

September 2nd, 2011, 08:57 PM

^^

I like that photo :)

Richard_A

September 4th, 2011, 11:45 PM

VoldemortBlack

September 5th, 2011, 12:05 AM

Liverpool ... it's just ... oh my god, it's amazing. And yes, I'm jealous. And yes, I wish it was Manchester. :)

Toadboy

September 5th, 2011, 12:12 AM

It is a great pic, it's no where near developed though and there's massive scope to grow. Tiger Bay will be immense in a generation or two, fantastic example of man maniplulating nature.

VoldemortBlack

September 5th, 2011, 12:14 AM

Well lets hope so! Aesthetically, Liverpool wins hands down on skyline. It's just an amazing setting and (bar the Sandcastle building) some good quality architecture!

aek-94

September 5th, 2011, 01:17 AM

Well lets hope so! Aesthetically, Liverpool wins hands down on skyline. It's just an amazing setting and (bar the Sandcastle building) some good quality architecture!

The Sandcastle is awful, I agree. I think Metropolitan House is too, that's next to it. I heard there were plans at one point to build some sort of tower on top of the Sandcastle, but don't know what happened to them.

VoldemortBlack

September 5th, 2011, 09:41 AM

The Sandcastle is awful, I agree. I think Metropolitan House is too, that's next to it. I heard there were plans at one point to build some sort of tower on top of the Sandcastle, but don't know what happened to them.

Oh, is Sandcastle a listed building then?

aek-94

September 5th, 2011, 11:16 AM

I don't think it is no, it was built in the '70s I think. Although, I'm sure I heard plans for some sort of tower to be built on it, and for a reclad of the building.

VoldemortBlack

September 5th, 2011, 12:23 PM

It definately needs a reclad, a new tower though? On top of it? Hm, can't imagine that. Are there any renders around?

JamesWales

September 5th, 2011, 01:41 PM

It is a great pic, it's no where near developed though and there's massive scope to grow. Tiger Bay will be immense in a generation or two, fantastic example of man maniplulating nature.

Yep, there is still a hell of a lot to happen in the artist formally known as Tiger Bay.

cardiff

September 5th, 2011, 04:18 PM

Looks great.

Thanks, it will be intersting to see how it comes together in the future, Alot of city center space has been taken up so hopefully the only way is up, but in these financial times who knows.

Portobello Red

September 7th, 2011, 11:06 PM

Liverpool
Greg Carey (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregcarey/6096610818/in/pool-52242121198@N01/)
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6187/6096610818_697d46c31e_b.jpg

aek-94

September 8th, 2011, 12:08 AM

It definately needs a reclad, a new tower though? On top of it? Hm, can't imagine that. Are there any renders around?

Sadly there isn't that is of, but there is a Liverpool Echo article from 2007, which talked about adding a 20 storey tower on top of the Sandcastle (or it's new name - 'The Capital').

New tower for ‘sandcastle’
by Neil Hodgson, Liverpool Echo Jun 18 2007

PLANS are in place to add a tower of up to 20 storeys to Liverpool’s “Sandcastle.”

The former Royal & SunAlliance office block sold to Liverpool developer George Downing for £51m last year has foundations strong enough to support a 20-storey tower.

But the ECHO understands Downing will be guided by city planners over the height of the eventual scheme which is set for the waterfront side of the block now renamed The Capital.

The development is under wraps, but sources say three designs have been prepared by different architects, including one described as “spectacular”.

Building materials will not match the current “sandcastle” design but will complement it.

A mixed-use development is the most favoured and could include an hotel with extensive conference facilities, offices and also apartments.

Read More (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/business-news/tm_headline=new-tower-for---8216-sandcastle--8217-&method=full&objectid=19314710&siteid=50061-name_page.html#ixzz1XJ8NHiBE)