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Despite having some rather unattractive buildings in that cluster, you cannot argue that that is as solid a cityscape backdrop you will find in the UK outside of London. I love how they pop up over the trees, it isn't something our other skylines can do as easily without some seriously well thought out positioning of whoever is behind the camera!

Just a real pity that it doesn't have some real gems to add to that existing bulk (like Regal, etc).

Despite having some rather unattractive buildings in that cluster, you cannot argue that that is as solid a cityscape backdrop you will find in the UK outside of London. I love how they pop up over the trees, it isn't something our other skylines can do as easily without some seriously well thought out positioning of whoever is behind the camera!

Just a real pity that it doesn't have some real gems to add to that existing bulk (like Regal, etc).

All in good time... or long time... They are slowly popping up. The cube is a great addition to that picture.

But yes regal would pop up nicely in that... as would boerma!

This may come from a little bit of bias, but Pompey really needs to be added to the poll options.

I totally agree.

Scary Mary!

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Mornin'

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I'll be on the QM2 again next summer, shame i'm not leaving from Liverpool instead of Southampton.

Manchester from Old Trafford, taken by future architect -

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What on earth possesses anyone to:

A: Bother taking photos like those?
B: Think they are worth posting in a thread entitled "best present skyline"?

Weird.

I must admit, after Birmingham and Liverpool they look very poor.

What on earth possesses anyone to:

A: Bother taking photos like those?
B: Think they are worth posting in a thread entitled "best present skyline"?

Weird.


Well, you've got to start somewhere!

Liverpool
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I think the Liverpool skyline tends to take on the appearance of being deliberately composed, including the relationship of new to old, in a way that most other UK cities do not.

Only London jumps to mind. In that case, the presence of St. Paul's Cathedral has had a lot to do with imposing rules and guidelines onto the City of London. There are no doubt other factors too.

I think Liverpool has two similar factors at play. Mainly, the 'Three Graces' at the Pier Head, particularly concerns about views and so forth. A debate has played out regarding this, right throughout the last ten years and will not doubt continue. Many think it has been a bit restrictive, but either way, it's helped shape the skyline.

The other factor being the protection of views of the Anglican Cathedral.

Birmingham yesterday

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Erm i think you need to post your bull lane one grafik....

:)


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Here are a few I took before I moved out of my flat.

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The skyline of London is coming along really good. Now all it needs to do is develop a few dozen skyscrapers between the City and Canary Wharf.

The skyline of London is coming along really good. Now all it needs to do is develop a few dozen skyscrapers between the City and Canary Wharf.

Blasphemy!

I don't think that's going to happen in a hurry, there's no need for any high-rise office blocks in that area, and unless they have a sudden need for a lot of residential space and throw up a few residential towers, that area won't be going very high anytime soon.

I personally like the two clusters (well main clusters are others seem to be poping up as well) in london. London (and Europe to a degree) will never be about cities full of anodyne skyscrapers, instead we have small clusters of mostly high quality buildings.

^^^ that gap will never be filled, and i think thats a good thing.

I do actually agree.. I've always hated the skylines of Chicago and New York, they abuse the privileges of skycrapers!

Can't say I agree there. Chicago and New York, particularly New York, have their identities defined by skyscrapers. They have good skylines and this should be celebrated.

London doesn't though. This isn't to say it shouldn't have skyscrapers, but it doesn't need to try and be the next Manhattan. London's skyline has a few distinctive skyscrapers, but more importantly is known for landmarks like St. Paul's and the Eye which are far more unique than skyscrapers.

I hate the skyline's of New York and Chicago because I think they have far too many skyscrapers, most of them old from predating the 1960's.. and the newer ones just mean it's a big mish-mash of skyscrapers which IMO don't look good at all. I prefer skyline's like Frankfurt, less skyscrapers concentrated in one area - looks much better to me.

I hate the skyline's of New York and Chicago because I think they have far too many skyscrapers, most of them old from predating the 1960's

You're crazy! New York's old skyscrapers are the best ones. If anything they have far too many built since the 30s when its Skyline was at its most classic.

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You're crazy! New York's old skyscrapers are the best ones. If anything they have far too many built since the 30s when its Skyline was at its most classic.

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Very true, the Chrysler being one! and my favourite

I see what you're saying, I guess I'm more referring to the overbearing-ness of skyscrapers. That picture you posted of New York decades ago looks much better to me.

Love the Empire State Building btw, one of my favourite skyscrapers. :)

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Leeds looking really dense in this great night photo

Thats because it is dense..

apparently.

Liverpool wins easy!

2009 picture of Manchester, from Flickr

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Liverpool wins easy!

Easy?

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Birmingham skyline looks really good.. at night.. miles away :eek:

Easy?

Yup, easy!

Brummies!!

Don't fret. Our eyes don't decieve us!!

Imagine birminghams future skyline from that angle :D

What future skyline :?

Density in the background :)

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Has to be
Scouseland.
Brumland, from a far distance.
Mancunia.

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Imagine birminghams future skyline from that angle :D






















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Brums skyline is pretty impressive. It's just a shame it's just a mass of 60'70's concrete! Puts me off completely!

Liverpool has a fantastic skyline with a mix of old and new. Not mentioning the waterfront setting.

Hey Yoshef as much as I love the Liverpool Skyline it's gonna have pretty much no future just like Brums! Liverpool waters?.... can't see that happening.

Brum will have a great future skyline! We have atleast 6 100m+ approved and another one or two proposed plus a few 70m-85m approved!

It's about quality to me, not quantity. So Edinburgh wins.

Josh we already have that many approved and proposed, that don't mean they will get built. Not just us though mate, I'm afraid its the same sort of scene all over the country.

Brums skyline is pretty impressive. It's just a shame it's just a mass of 60'70's concrete! Puts me off completely!

Nearly all of that's been removed. Get with the present buddy.

I'm jesting, of course.

Liverpool's skyline is flat, has no density, and can only be photographed

from one side. As good as Liverpool's skyline is from that

side Birmingham's is the best.

^^

I actually agree. The Liverpool skyline is great, but like you say can only really be viewed from the front on the Wirral. From the back it's just any other skyline with nothing really that special about it.

Liverpool from Holt Hill, in Birkenhead

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Lovely picture of Liverpool. Nice to have one from a slightly different angle. :)

Manchester;

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^^

I actually agree. The Liverpool skyline is great, but like you say can only really be viewed from the front on the Wirral. From the back it's just any other skyline with nothing really that special about it.

It sounds as though you haven't seen it in person. From the North and the South, it remains very interesting. I'd post some photos, but they've been posted countless time before, probably in this very thread too.

Sheffield :

Anyone seen these shots from flickr from the arts tower by RM Eufrassio?

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The first one is my new desktop!

From Mark Crawshaw:

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Or the new amptitheatre by Melvinn Cobb:

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There's loads of good shots from the Sheffield group on there.

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Liverpool
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Fantastic view of Liverpool, refreshing to see the skyline from another viewpoint :cheers:

That is said every time a pic of Liverpool is shown, whether its from Bidston, Everton Brow, Egremont, Tranmere, top of the Anglican, Byrom Street etc, etc. Must have been said around 50 times on this thread (twice on this page alone). It gets tiresome.

Not a dig at anyone in particular, but if you've seen enough of these skyline threads, you'll pick up on these things.

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That Manchester with stone-wall foreground photo is great.

It's superb; also, is that Jodrell Bank Observatory in the far distance?

It most certainly is! :)

Credit goes to Cityofgold. :applause:

Taken today from Werneth Low. It was too hazy to get a decent photo from such a distance, but this location and the hills around it are IMHO the best place to take a 'full' panorama of Manchester.

The photo takes in Old Trafford at the left through Salford Quays, the City Centre, and COMS to the right. It is striking how much SQ looks like a cluster and how that cluster nearly merges with the City Centre proper.

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A satelite/telescope in a skyline.
Beat that ya cunts!!

Beat That?

Beat What?

What hills are they behind Jodrell Bank?

The main telescope is clearly visible from the Wreakin in Telford. I've also read that Beetham Tower is visible also. Surely that is the only place on land where you can see Birmingham (31 miles) and Manchester (57 miles) in the same view?

That cityscape is bloody vast, can anyone from Mancheser tell me is that the 106m student tower rising at the left side of Beetham?

What hills are they behind Jodrell Bank?



Its the Derbyshire peaks, Buxton is in them there hills :)

Does anybody have photos from Calton Hill,Edinburgh.?

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Cheers Cardiff!.I guess thats the end of this forum then!

Liverpool - from the top of the Anglican Cathedral
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From flickr.

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They're stunning pictures of Edinburgh,it's a beautiful city.:cheers:

That is said every time a pic of Liverpool is shown, whether its from Bidston, Everton Brow, Egremont, Tranmere, top of the Anglican, Byrom Street etc, etc. Must have been said around 50 times on this thread (twice on this page alone). It gets tiresome.

Not a dig at anyone in particular, but if you've seen enough of these skyline threads, you'll pick up on these things.

Taken the words out of my mouth. It doesn't annoy me anymore, I just put it down to jealousy.

Them Edinburgh pictures are amazing by the way.

Cheers Cardiff!.I guess thats the end of this forum then!

When it comes to historic skyline Edinburgh is probably the best, though Oxford and a couple of Cathedral cities give it a run for its money, even London can produce a beautiful historic skyline from some angles. Thanks everyone they are my pics from my North east and Edinburgh thread. Excellent pic of Manchester there, gives you a sense of the height of the buildings which is normally lost for some reason.

Thanks Cardiff, I agree.

This is another stunning one taken by thecityofgold (I hope he doesn't mind me putting this on here).

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Fabulous because it shows all of the somewhat stretched Manchester & Salford skyline. Salford Quays is there on the left and central Manchester on the right. As thecityofgold mentioned, Salford Quays is looking very much like a cluster recently.

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I remember my first visit to Edinburgh, it was a dull overcast day and when the city came into view the dark jagged skyline, castle, spires etc. against the dark hills was very was moody, almost sinister

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Looks like the co-op dont care to have every single light on in the building, just cause they can, solar powered:lol:

Liverpool - from the top of the Anglican Cathedral
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Stunning.

Cardiff is much underrated city.

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P7123397 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21732688@N03/4859926337/) by stephenanstiss (http://www.flickr.com/people/21732688@N03/), on Flickr

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Well that's it then, Edinburgh is the winner. :drool:

Please pass on your conclusions to the muppets on the "Britains second city" forum.I tried to explain to them that Edinburgh walks it,but still the batter us to death with the Birminham/Manchester argument.

Also,forgot to mention,that there is some brilliant Skyline photos on Wikipedia:Edinburgh.(remember to double click and expand each photo).

Liverpool
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Please pass on your conclusions to the muppets on the "Britains second city" forum.I tried to explain to them that Edinburgh walks it,but still the batter us to death with the Birminham/Manchester argument.



Its to do with Poplulation and GDP dude ???? Thats why Birmingham/Manchester wipes the floor with Edinburgh. Now dont get me wrong, ive been to the capital of Scotland and it is gawjus, however gawjus cities might bring alot of tourists money into the country but they dont produce like the 2 named cities above. Which is why Edinburgh and Glasgow for that matter is well down the list of European cities for Business 2011.
And both cities were at the forefront in the Industrial Revolution which made Britain the Economic power it is today.

Gawjus Skyline though, nothing quite like it in Britain. :cheers:

And both cities were at the forefront in the Industrial Revolution which made Britain the Economic power it is today.

Irrelevant to the point your making....

Brum x.Remember were discussing Skyline here and as ive stated a few times Edinburgh wins easily.

The "Second city argument" is based on the technicalities,but the reason Birmingham/Manchester ARENT the second city is that,Edinburgh is a capital city and thus has more Political/Legal/Regal clout than the big 2 in England.(You guys are purely arguing an economical argument.i.e.what city has the largest economy).
However, your debate will change in 10 years to Englands second city as Scotland will be independant.When that happens, my vote will go to Birmingham.:-

1.It has a larger population
2.Has a larger economy
3.ELO(my favourite band)come from there.
4.Some members of my family were born in Dudley
5.My Grandfather helped in the start of the Cadburys factory.

So Manchester..........get it right up ye.!

Cheers for that :cheers:

Still not sure on the Independance thingy, i think Scotts will vote to be still part of the United Kingdom but have even more powers on taxation/education etc.
Just look at whats happening in the Euro zone ???????

Dont they have enough powers on that already ;)

Not enough obviouslly, LOL

Edinburgh doesn't have much of a skyline, it's a beautiful city with plenty of pointy things sticking up, but not a proper skyline. Liverpool has a great skyline, but only from one angle. Outside London there is only one British city with a good skyline, and that is Birmingham.

Edinburgh doesn't have much of a skyline, it's a beautiful city with plenty of pointy things sticking up, but not a proper skyline. Liverpool has a great skyline, but only from one angle. Outside London there is only one British city with a good skyline, and that is Birmingham.


which angle?

I prefer beauty over size.

You must hate Leeds then as it has not got either, and Yoshef I think he means the view over the Mersey, that's what its called isn't it?

Edinburgh doesn't have much of a skyline, it's a beautiful city with plenty of pointy things sticking up, but not a proper skyline. Liverpool has a great skyline, but only from one angle. Outside London there is only one British city with a good skyline, and that is Birmingham.

What is a proper skyline if its not lots of pointy things sticking up? Just because it doesnt have skyscrapers doesnt mean it doesnt have a skyline, in fact its skyline is more aesthetically pleasing than many largers cities in Europe.

Edinburgh doesn't have much of a skyline, it's a beautiful city with plenty of pointy things sticking up, but not a proper skyline. Liverpool has a great skyline, but only from one angle. Outside London there is only one British city with a good skyline, and that is Birmingham.

The following pictures were taken at Everton Brow: an elevation which has panoramic views over the city, the river and over towards The Wirral peninsula and Wales:



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Everton Brow

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one angle my arse! :cheers:

There's an old fort,wind turbines and a lighthouse in that picture second from bottom,there's lots more to it than that familiar picture from the Wirral.There's something like 7.5 miles of dockland there.It's a totally different experience seeing it as opposed to seeing a photograph of a section of it.

I'm sorry but i can't see it myself, every single tall building in Liverpool is basically in line theres no density too it in my opinion, don't get me wrong it looks grand from the waterfront and everything but from that angle, NO.

It's easy to wind a scouser up..... Of course Liverpool has a nice skyline.

........ and, if you're looking for dreaming spires then Oxford beats Edinburgh, and there's no talk that I've noticed of their skyline.

Whether you see it or not doesn't take away from the fact that Liverpool has a great skyline,a great river,great vantage points and lots of iconic architecture and at the end of the day,it's what we think that matters because we have to live here and we're very glad we do.

It's easy to wind a scouser up..... Of course Liverpool has a nice skyline.

We know it,there's definitely tinges of jealousy from many of those who say otherwise,afterall skylines are a big part of this forum.:cheers:

I'm sorry but i can't see it myself, every single tall building in Liverpool is basically in line theres no density too it in my opinion, don't get me wrong it looks grand from the waterfront and everything but from that angle, NO.

Radio City Tower and the two cathedrals all break the linear skyline of Liverpool. RCT is about a mile from the waterfront!

Rafter the Grafter.Have you noticed that the main diifference between Oxford and Edinburgh is as follows:-

1.Edinburgh has a volcano next to its main shopping street
2.Edinburgh has a Castle,on top of a volcano, next to its main shopping street
3.Edinburgh is surrounding with hills
4.Edinburgh is next to the sea(like Liverpool)

All these attributes, plus its double the size of Oxford,make it a non contest.Dont judge the city on the basis of 5 photos shown on page 217.There are hundreds of different skyline photos of Edinburgh,some you can see on wikipedia,some you can see on other forums.
Oxford and Cambridge have some fantastic architecture,but in terms of "Best present Skyline",its a no brainer.

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Two very ugly buildings in this picture; Arndale and that brown tower (Post office tower?)

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Nice picture.

I like the Manchester skyline, but I noticed on the train the other day there's a large gap between Manchester City Centre and the Salford Quays. It'd be great if this gap could eventually be filled and create one single skyline.

Why? Why isnt having two seperate and distinct areas better? The best cities have multiple seperate areas IMO.

I have to say I like the gap, and there are actually a few fairly tall buildings around Ordsall/Castlefield area but in true Manchester fashion they don't show up on skyline shots.

I just think they need a few 50+ floors buildings around the Quays to make it stand out on skyline shots, so it's clear we have two distinct skyscraper areas (like the City and Canary Wharf)

From a neutral point of view just a few years back I would have said it was definately Birmingham. But as we all know Liverpool has finally started using it's asset (the Waterfront view) to its advantage and has come so far and would say in some ways has overtaken Birmingham especially in terms of visual impact. However Birmingham still has that impact of tall buildings around you on street level when you walk around the city centre. Manchester's skyline shots from what I have seen don't yet (even with Beetham Tower) make enough of an impact. I know people (granted mostly from Manchester) tend to say that not all the talls show up on skyline shots for the city but it won't change how the skyline is viewed. I probably would view Leeds the same way and almost on par with Manchester.

1. Liverpool (just)
2. Birmingham


3. Manchester
4. Leeds

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^^ Gotham City :D

It's a shame that some of Liverpool's towers in essence, 'turn their back' on the city, they'd look great if they had a facade, like the front, all the way round the building.

This is why, as ugly as it is, I kinda like the Arndale tower in Manc, as it's very much a three dimensional building and provides a good bit of bulk in the skyline!

Rafter the Grafter.Have you noticed that the main diifference between Oxford and Edinburgh is as follows:-

1.Edinburgh has a volcano next to its main shopping street
2.Edinburgh has a Castle,on top of a volcano, next to its main shopping street
3.Edinburgh is surrounding with hills
4.Edinburgh is next to the sea(like Liverpool)

All these attributes, plus its double the size of Oxford,make it a non contest.Dont judge the city on the basis of 5 photos shown on page 217.There are hundreds of different skyline photos of Edinburgh,some you can see on wikipedia,some you can see on other forums.
Oxford and Cambridge have some fantastic architecture,but in terms of "Best present Skyline",its a no brainer.

There's no volcano in Edinburgh.

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There's no volcano in Edinburgh.

Edinburgh's unique features include two extinct volcanoes, one of them right in the City Centre onto which Edinburgh Castle is built.

There's no volcano in Edinburgh.Edinburgh is built in an extinct volcano.

If you go on to Wikipedia:Edinburgh,youll see some great views from its most famous(plugged) VOLCANOS:-Edinburgh Castle and Arthurs Seat.(click on the photos)

These will give you great views of the city,The firth of Forth,as well as the Kingdom of Fife in the background.

or click on the wee blue dots on the google map via street view.The Scott Monument on Princes street gives you some screamers.!

There is an extinct supervolcano in Edinburgh.

(darn, beaten to it)

@VoldemortBlack beautiful pictures there.

Oh I don't know, is this a skyline shot?

Anyway, this is of course the Beetham Tower. I hated it in 2007, but since then it's grown on me so much. It's obvious dominance over Greater Manchester, and the fact you can see it from almost anywhere in the conurbation (and, it would seem, the surrounding counties) gives it an air of influence. It's iconic and bold, some might say it's interesting, some might say it's ugly. For that reason, it's not only a building, but something to talk about and debate about.

The building also represents Manchester in a number of ways. Built in Castlefield, it represents how Manchester has risen out of its stereotypical grimness and deprivation. Literally, the building "rises up" out of Castlefield. It juts out in the middle, perhaps representing Manchester as an "on the edge" type of city. It dominates, representing Manchester in the 1880s. This is among my favourite pictures of the Beetham (although I prefer pictures of it from the back, with it facing the City)

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I miss having radio reception problems in the city centre because of all the cranes :ohno:

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4.Edinburgh is next to the sea(like Liverpool)


Not really 'like Liverpool'... the city of Liverpool is build smack-bang on and next to its waterfront, Edinburgh evolved around the castle, with the port of Leith built as essentially an adjascent town absorbed into Edinburgh over time. The sexy skyline bits are in Edinburgh; Leith is a bit of a mess.

Which is why Edinburgh and Glasgow for that matter is well down the list of European cities for Business 2011.

Yet, both are in the top 10 for Finance and have the 2nd and 3rd highest GDP Per capitas in the country. Our strengths lie elsewhere;)

Glasgow has a high GVA per capita (which is essentially useless and is no real indication of wealth) because of its tight boundaries, yet its tight boundaries are the reason for its high levels of deprivation.. and is the reason why Glaswegians are always moaning about it.

Which one is it? ;)

Anyway, Edinburgh has the best skyline, k? :)

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Glasgow has a high GVA per capita (which is essentially useless and is no real indication of wealth) because of its tight boundaries, yet its tight boundaries are the reason for its high levels of deprivation.. and is the reason why Glaswegians are always moaning about it.

No, GDP per capita sweet cheeks: http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/03/20753/53485

Glasgow has a larger wealth gap, hence the high levels of deprivation (it has always been this way). The tight boundaries cut of some of the wealthiest suburbs, yet unlike many English cities we maintained a middle-class within the inner city. And I don't think it has ever been moaned about here, ever.

Shame, you were one of the Leeds forumers that were higher in my estimations.

No, GDP per capita sweet cheeks: http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/03/20753/53485

Glasgow has a larger wealth gap, hence the high levels of deprivation (it has always been this way). The tight boundaries cut of some of the wealthiest suburbs, yet unlike many English cities we maintained a middle-class within the inner city. And I don't think it has ever been moaned about here, ever.

Shame, you were one of the Leeds forumers that were higher in my estimations.

Congratulations on proving me wrong. It's both GDP and GVA Per Capita, though both are as useless as one another, especially when currencies are devalued (which is why London is so low down on that link you posted, which is fairly out of dated too). Though I'll happily admit Glasgow and Edinburgh have done well to maintain their inner-city middle classes.

Well to get the thread back on topic, More lovely pictures of Edinburgh for everyone to orgasm over.

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I always think that Bath and Oxford have pretty amazing skylines if you cut yourself away from the scale of modern buildings. In fact most Cathedral towns are quite breath-taking. I also think Durham has an impressive skyline.

Larger towns and cities here are too patchy and don't yet have that cohesive skyline aesthetic feel after decades of unsure change, Edinburgh is impressive in that regard.

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Love the density

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There is an extinct supervolcano in Edinburgh.

(darn, beaten to it)

I know, so no volcano.

Edinburgh's unique features include two extinct volcanoes, one of them right in the City Centre onto which Edinburgh Castle is built.

So a hill then.

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Best picture of Liverpool i have ever seen.

Fantastic Liverpool pics.

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Fantastic Liverpool pics.

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'That from the Green Quarter? My brother's flat has that exact same view, pretty sweet.

I know, so no volcano.

Pedantic much? It's still a volcano.

'That from the Green Quarter? My brother's flat has that exact same view, pretty sweet.

It will be yes :)

Maan how I'd love to live where he does! Especially with the Co-op development, Victoria Station development, Chethams & Hotel Indigo AS WELL as a small but modest view of the 2CC when that kicks off all in view!

Try and tempt him to set up a few webcams ;)

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Looks a bit flat from that angle.

Looks a bit flat from that angle.

The Mersey? That's gravity for you.

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Makes me laugh when i hear people say the Liverpool skyline has no desity.

Liverpool's skyline has no desity

Makes me laugh when i hear people say the Liverpool skyline has no desity.

Who said that? I said the skyline looked flat from that particular angle, which it clearly did.

Liverpool's skyline has no desity

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Last pic looks like Sheffield.

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1 - ;)

What's that,today's footie result? :)

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What's that,today's footie result? :)

Liverpool player scored it as well.

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feck me, that is one ugly grey view. Gotta be some better Manc pics than that.

^^
I thinks its pretty cool shot, castlefield is my favourite part of manchester.

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I thinks its pretty cool shot, castlefield is my favourite part of manchester.

Please explain, I'm perplexed?

I think Beetham Manchester is one of the few skyscrapers in the world which actually looks out of place and quite cheaply built. I'm not digging at Manchester, I think it's an example of how the UK just cannot build this kind of stuff outside of London, even then it's a bit limited compared to even Europe.

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I thinks its pretty cool shot, castlefield is my favourite part of manchester.

I'm pretty sure this isn't taken from castlefield and is infant.taken from Hulme...the bridge you're thinking of which looks like this is pedestrian whereas this one goes over princess road

What's the scaffolding on top? Is it coming down soon?

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My god that looks crap, I like Simpsons buildings but having now seen the back of HCT this is far the from his best work. The front is still ok. His Manchester tower is more impressive due to the height,profile and better finish And what the fuck is that thing in the background with its vomit cladding. Is it Brums anwser to Manchesters award winning Civil Justice Centre in trying to be contemporary . Not having a dig at Brum in general but it deserves better high rises.
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Please explain, I'm perplexed?

I think Beetham Manchester is one of the few skyscrapers in the world which actually looks out of place and quite cheaply built. I'm not digging at Manchester, I think it's an example of how the UK just cannot build this kind of stuff outside of London, even then it's a bit limited compared to even Europe.

Talk about looking for a picture that doesn't show off a building in a great light then claiming to not dig manchester whilst basically saying your tallest building looks like a pile of crap! if thats not a under hand dig then what is?! Beetham Manchester in my opinion is such an impressive building, in the flesh, when the sun shines on it, it looks elegant with its defined lines and shape. I cannot believe you can call it cheap just because of a poor picture....come and see it in real life and im sure you wouldn't have the same opinion

I think Beetham Manchester is one of the few skyscrapers in the world which actually looks out of place and quite cheaply built. I'm not digging at Manchester, I think it's an example of how the UK just cannot build this kind of stuff outside of London, even then it's a bit limited compared to even Europe.
That your view, experts disagree
Thats why it is a multi award winning building including worlds best high rise a few years ago .

Superb pic of Liverpool BTW

As Mark said Beetham really is amazing when viewed in real life. Especially from the back (so like Cornbrook/Salford Quays area). It just dominates over everything and while some people on here view that as a bad thing I think it's a very good thing. In many ways it's also a symbol of Manchester, rising up out of the historic Victorian mills of Castlefield just like Manchester did and still is doing. Even if it sounds corny, the Beetham represents Manchester's hope.

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As Mark said Beetham really is amazing when viewed in real life. Especially from the back (so like Cornbrook/Salford Quays area). It just dominates over everything and while some people on here view that as a bad thing I think it's a very good thing. In many ways it's also a symbol of Manchester, rising up out of the historic Victorian mills of Castlefield just like Manchester did and still is doing. Even if it sounds corny, the Beetham represents Manchester's hope.



I also love the view from the front, dominating Deansgate! There's nothing else in the uk with scale outside of London.

I never did like the over hang, but as VB says when seen in person it does look great, it changed my opinion on it...

Talk about looking for a picture that doesn't show off a building in a great light then claiming to not dig manchester whilst basically saying your tallest building looks like a pile of crap! if thats not a under hand dig then what is?! Beetham Manchester in my opinion is such an impressive building, in the flesh, when the sun shines on it, it looks elegant with its defined lines and shape. I cannot believe you can call it cheap just because of a poor picture....come and see it in real life and im sure you wouldn't have the same opinion

I think you're acting a little paranoid. There are some fine buildings in Manchester, I just don't think that Beetham is one of them, I've never said Beetham Birmingham is the best thing ever, I've viewed a few apartments in there and in actual fact they squeezed way too much into the space, most of the apartments don't even have parking plus it was supposed to be about 200 foot taller by the CAA poked their noses in. A joke.

As Mark said Beetham really is amazing when viewed in real life. Especially from the back (so like Cornbrook/Salford Quays area). It just dominates over everything and while some people on here view that as a bad thing I think it's a very good thing. In many ways it's also a symbol of Manchester, rising up out of the historic Victorian mills of Castlefield just like Manchester did and still is doing. Even if it sounds corny, the Beetham represents Manchester's hope.

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It may look great in flesh, but I'm sorry in these pics it looks dreary, the only plus is the height.

Okay :) that's fine, its your opinion! I don't particularly like the Rotunda tower in Birmingham, but then they're some other buildings there that look great!

More of Manchester;

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That your view, experts disagree
Thats why it is a multi award winning building including worlds best high rise a few years ago .

Superb pic of Liverpool BTW

I didn't realise you needed a qualification to appreciate architecture? I'm sorry, World's Best high rise? There are actually other tall buildings in Manchester I think contribute to the skyline fat better.

Okay :) that's fine, its your opinion! I don't particularly like the Rotunda tower in Birmingham, but then they're some other buildings there that look great!

I agree, I preferred it in the original state, the new design looks v crap, I don't like the glazing colour and the fact the top isn't finished is quite pathetic.

It may look great in flesh, but I'm sorry in these pics it looks dreary, the only plus is the height.

Thats what i was saying in my last post, this picture shows the tower off in poor light. Come and stand on Liverpool road in Castlefield and your opinion may change!

I think you're acting a little paranoid. There are some fine buildings in Manchester, I just don't think that Beetham is one of them, I've never said Beetham Birmingham is the best thing ever, I've viewed a few apartments in there and in actual fact they squeezed way too much into the space, most of the apartments don't even have parking plus it was supposed to be about 200 foot taller by the CAA poked their noses in. A joke.

Im not paranoid, i just think its easy to post a poor picture and say somthing looks cheap, rather than actually viewing it in the flesh and getting a real feel for the building

Im not paranoid, i just think its easy to post a poor picture and say somthing looks cheap, rather than actually viewing it in the flesh and getting a real feel for the building

But surely, a truly world class iconic building should look good both 'in the flesh' and on film. If you applied the same 'you have to see it to appreciate it' theory to say, models, they'd never get any work.

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This, I think, proves my point.. it just looks silly and totally out of context with the surroundings. And what the hell are those blocks to the right of Beetham? Are they new? They make Orion buildings in Brum look a tiny bit better.

I won't carry on and ruin the thread, I just think Beetham Manchester looks awful, and if I'm honest I'm not keen on the ones in Liverpool either. I'm yet to see anything that will change my mind.

Question asked above.

But surely, a truly world class iconic building should look good both 'in the flesh' and on film. If you applied the same 'you have to see it to appreciate it' theory to say, models, they'd never get any work.

I agree, but with the grey sky on that picture it would make most things look a little dreary

Yeah. They may look ugly from here, but when you're on the tram going past on the viaduct they look great

But surely, a truly world class iconic building should look good both 'in the flesh' and on film. If you applied the same 'you have to see it to appreciate it' theory to say, models, they'd never get any work.

And another thing models are usually airbrushed ;)

Question asked above.

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Thats the grimmest photo of the tower I have ever seen :lol:

These pics give a sense of the tower in reality, very clean and reflective

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Manchester's Beetham is my favorite out of the 3.

Remember there's 4 Beethams ;)

I think Leeds needs a Beetham, or Portsmouth.

Birmingham's Beetham is like Liverpool's skyline in that it looks excellent from the front and poor from the back.

Beetham Manchester looks impressive from all angles, just like Birmingham's skyline.

Is there a Beetham in Leeds? :s

^ There are two Beethams in Liverpool. Michael Owen used to own the penthouse at the top of the shorter one.

I remember looking out the window of the coach as we were going along that motorway (completely forgot the name) on the way to Liverpool and noticing this tall chimney-like thing in the far distance, heavily shadowed by cloud. It's only when the trees by the motorway thinned out a bit that I saw CIS and City Tower and realised it was Manchester. The way Beetham sat in the view looked great but sadly I was too far away for it to be meaningful to the regular Joe.

Up close the looming effect was nice but I still felt underwhelmed. My opinion of it has improved over the years but I still think that it could have been so much better. I think it's monumentally over-rated (I'd apply that to all the Beetham Towers in the country). I think we have a habit of praising them because they were some of the most ambitious schemes in the country (and still are in many respects). But as architectural pieces, I think they really do fall short.

I still rate the newest Liverpool one the highest. On it's own it is relatively standard but it comes into its own thanks to its context in the skyline. But even then, I think it could have been so much better.

Like EK says, Birmingham's Beetham was stumped really by the CAA. Had it been taller, I would probably rate it higher, but even then the back lets it down in some respects.

As for The Cube, I loves it! Original, ambitious, daring. Yep, it could be better, but I wouldn't say it has failed any of the objectives that the developers were aiming for when they started building it.

Manchester's beetham is a show. Just stood there on its own ruining the skyline ... imo.

Manchester's beetham is a show. Just stood there on its own ruining the skyline ... imo.

And your a troll all alone trying to ruin this thread

I also love the view from the front, dominating Deansgate! There's nothing else in the uk with scale outside of London.

Portsmouth begs to differ...

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Ahem, a field begs to differ.

And your a troll all alone trying to ruin this thread

Its a discussion on skyline's. Beetham tower ruins Manchester's in my opinion. I mentioned it because I dont understand why posters post it all the time on here when it isn't pleasing to see. All my opinion and I am entitled to it. I'm not a troll just because I don't like a building in Manny..

That's Leeds in the foreground - the city centre is quite compact.

Its a discussion on skyline's. Beetham tower ruins Manchester's in my opinion. I mentioned it because I dont understand why posters post it all the time on here when it isn't pleasing to see. All my opinion and I am entitled to it. I'm not a troll just because I don't like a building in Manny..

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinions but you could at least back up with some reasons why, other than i just dont like it and it ruins the skyline? How can a 171m iconic tower ruin a skyline? Because its on its own? I very much doubt you would say this if it was on your water front. A lot of people would love a beast of a skyscraper like this in their city's skyline, imo

Leeds begs to differ..

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Erm, when did that move to Leeds!!!

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Everyone is of course entitled to their opinions but you could at least back up with some reasons why, other than i just dont like it and it ruins the skyline? How can a 171m iconic tower ruin a skyline? Because its on its own? I very much doubt you would say this if it was on your water front. A lot of people would love a beast of a skyscraper like this in their city's skyline, imo



I thought it was 169 metres ????

Yeah, shorter than Portsmouths. Which is actually 175m above the harbour bed (it's not built on Land, but in the Harbour). The 170m figure is AGL.

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinions but you could at least back up with some reasons why, other than i just dont like it and it ruins the skyline? How can a 171m iconic tower ruin a skyline? Because its on its own? I very much doubt you would say this if it was on your water front. A lot of people would love a beast of a skyscraper like this in their city's skyline, imo

Exactly. If it was situated on the Liverpool waterfront Tomo would be power w***king.

It isn't perfect. Just as many dislike it as like it. However, there isn't a city in the UK that wouldn't want a tower of that height in/on it's skyline.

PS. And it won't be alone for much longer.

However, there isn't a city in the UK that wouldn't want a tower of that height in/on it's skyline.

Well... maybe Bath. And Oxford. ;)

I don't really care for skyscrapers, I'd rather get some vital infrastructure projects such as NGT off the ground before that.

I see where people a coming from, Beetham looks silly on its own, which is why in a way I'm glad Lumiere here in Leeds never got off the ground, it'd look stupid.

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinions but you could at least back up with some reasons why, other than i just dont like it and it ruins the skyline? How can a 171m iconic tower ruin a skyline? Because its on its own? I very much doubt you would say this if it was on your water front. A lot of people would love a beast of a skyscraper like this in their city's skyline, imo

Yeah I could have articulated it better actually. I do not like the way the top half is bigger than the bottom half width wise. Also, I think it sticks out like a sore thumb. Maybe when the city has more talls like beetham it may look better overall.

I don't really care for skyscrapers, I'd rather get some vital infrastructure projects such as NGT off the ground before that.

I see where people a coming from, Beetham looks silly on its own, which is why in a way I'm glad Lumiere here in Leeds never got off the ground, it'd look stupid.

You got to start with one, others will then follow.

Exactly. If it was situated on the Liverpool waterfront Tomo would be power w***king.

It isn't perfect. Just as many dislike it as like it. However, there isn't a city in the UK that wouldn't want a tower of that height in/on it's skyline.

PS. And it won't be alone for much longer.



I like it. It looks like the Monolith in 2001 A Space Odyssey


The Dawn of Manc ?...

http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/5163/378495-2001_ape_monolith_super.jpg

I thought it was 169 metres ????

apologies 171m was the planned height and had to change to 169m due to wind issues.

Yeah I could have articulated it better actually. I do not like the way the top half is bigger than the bottom half width wise. Also, I think it sticks out like a sore thumb. Maybe when the city has more talls like beetham it may look better overall.

That is a valid reason, and that is your opinion. On the same token that is the reason why I personally love the tower becasue of the cantilever and the size ratio from top to bottom. It seems to defy usual engineering logic in being top heavy. I am sure that is what Ian Simpson wanted from the building, something unusual and it gets people talking about it, like most iconic buildings, and it is better than having a plain boring straight box like shape.

Exactly. If it was situated on the Liverpool waterfront Tomo would be power w***king.

It isn't perfect. Just as many dislike it as like it. However, there isn't a city in the UK that wouldn't want a tower of that height in/on it's skyline.

PS. And it won't be alone for much longer.

I would be really jealous if it was on Liverpools waterfront - it would look amazing there!

I like it. It looks like the Monolith in 2001 A Space Odyssey


The Dawn of Manc ?...

http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/5163/378495-2001_ape_monolith_super.jpg

That's why I like it. Don't care for the cladding. Not the glass, the patterns on the glass. Especially on the sides. Don't like the blades on the side either.

As I've said. It's certainly not to everyones taste and it has it's faults, but I'm glad Manchester got one decent(being diplomatic) skyscraper built before the property market went bust. It's going to be a longtime before something similar in height is ever built in Manchester or another city outside London again.

I liked what Voldermort wrote a couple of weeks ago about Manc's beetham. That it represents the reverse of Manchester's decline. Something very poetic about that (not even joking).

The Beetham is the most genuine skyscraper outside London this country has. I actually love how imposing it is.

Yeah, shorter than Portsmouths. Which is actually 175m above the harbour bed (it's not built on Land, but in the Harbour). The 170m figure is AGL.

Dont get me wrong I like the elegant spinneaker tower, but , 1m taller than Beetham is negigable at these heights: I would imagine Beetham looking far more imposing than Spinneaker due to the fact that much of the top height of spinneaker is a thin tapering mast anyway(Never seen Spinneaker in the flesh BTW). Beetham is a proper building up to 157m then a substantial glass and steel facade overrun upto 169m. Beetham is the tallest 'proper building'
Even Blackpool towers observation decks are higher than the 105m 'roof' height of Spinneaker,

Leeds begs to differ..

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt118/awaren8/emt.jpg


:eek2:

Reminds me of a poor mans CN tower, Saw this everyweekend when I was in Huddersfield, ....yes Hudds not Leeds you cheeky sod :lol:

BTW Can see this beast from parts of Greater Manchester

Isn't Huddersfield a suburb of Leeds??

Liverpool looking good from "all angles".

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Album%202/P1050126.jpg


http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Album%202/P1050103.jpg


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http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Album%202/P1050121.jpg

My pic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7162/6419327261_a1ec729e58_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21732688@N03/6419327261/)
PB251218 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21732688@N03/6419327261/) by stephenanstiss (http://www.flickr.com/people/21732688@N03/), on Flickr

Was that from the Holiday Inn by any chance mate ?????

yes, very odd hotel! Did it used to be an office building? Why is the street outside so busy all through the night?

This is my new desktop picture :)

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/Album%202/P1050121.jpg

Could they not have taken the picture in front of the car? :nuts:

I like it. It looks like the Monolith in 2001 A Space Odyssey


The Dawn of Manc ?...

http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/5163/378495-2001_ape_monolith_super.jpg


The Mancs haven't changed much in that clip...;)

Could they not have taken the picture in front of the car? :nuts:

'They' is me - and that would have been rude. I framed it that way.

Dont get me wrong I like the elegant spinneaker tower, but , 1m taller than Beetham is negigable at these heights: I would imagine Beetham looking far more imposing than Spinneaker due to the fact that much of the top height of spinneaker is a thin tapering mast anyway(Never seen Spinneaker in the flesh BTW). Beetham is a proper building up to 157m then a substantial glass and steel facade overrun upto 169m. Beetham is the tallest 'proper building'
Even Blackpool towers observation decks are higher than the 105m 'roof' height of Spinneaker,

Spinnaker roof height is not 105m. It's 120m.

I have seen both and I have to see they are both just as imposing as eachother.

I have to agree with ill tonkso, the Spinnaker Tower has just as much soar and dominance as the Beetham Tower does. I know people might think I'm just 'promoting' the Spinnaker Tower because I live in Portsmouth, but that's not the case - both the Spinnaker and the Beetham are tall, imposing structures that dominate the skylines of their respective cities. And the spire of the Spinnaker starts at ~125m...105m is the height of the middle viewing deck (of which there are three, the highest is at 110m). I have also seen both up-close (been to the foot of Beetham and been past it on the train), and it definitely looks imposing, but so does the Spinnaker.

*takes the opportunity to post some photos I've taken of the Spinnaker Tower*

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss180/KingOfTheTitans/Portsmouth/e0deda74.jpg

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss180/KingOfTheTitans/Portsmouth/MillenniumWalk03.jpg

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss180/KingOfTheTitans/Portsmouth/DSCN2629.jpg

Beetham is much more imposing than the Spinnaker.
Beetham is a Skyscraper.
Spinnaker is a Sail like structure.

I feel like Spinnaker is more imposing because it is completely surrounded by low rise with no high rise in site

I feel like Spinnaker is more imposing because it is completely surrounded by low rise with no high rise in site

Similar to the Beetham.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6424565873_a4a9bf2834_b.jpg
Come on seriously.

I feel like Spinnaker is more imposing because it is completely surrounded by low rise with no high rise in site

Theres actually a 30 floor resi nearby and several 70m+ers

Beetham is much more imposing than the Spinnaker.
Beetham is a Skyscraper.
Spinnaker is a Sail like structure.

Have you been up close to both? I have. They are both equally as imposing. The manner in which the Spinnaker bellows out only adds to this effect.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6424565873_a4a9bf2834_b.jpg
Come on seriously.

Now that just looks silly..

http://www.alkorproof.com/images/news/58_139_image.jpg
Not as silly as that.

Ours is purposefully silly.

I also think ours is probably more iconic of the boom than the others purely because Beetham Manchester, Leeds Bridgewater etc were built to serve a purpose. The Spinnaker Tower was built purely because we could.

Now that just looks silly..

Agreed, it looks awful there. Totally awkward, like one ugly building plonked on top of another. In fact, if it were split in two it would look far better.

The design of Beetham Brum seemes more elegant, just shame about the height, and other problems of actually living there.

http://bwdp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/beethamtower_exterior.jpg

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000p.m_0bYrX7I/s/850/680/09CH1106-117.jpg

One of the problems with that cladding is that you can clearly tell the difference between the hotel and residential elements, and when some of the windows are open, it looks like they've been knocked out.

http://media.brogangroup.com/media//upload/projects/high_rise/Beetham_Tower_Manchester/BeethamTower01_580x435.jpg

stop making out Bridgewater place is shit by posting the worst picture you can find of it

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5105/5739531447_86d8471ef4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292251@N03/5739531447/)
Bridgewater 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292251@N03/5739531447/) by rhaigh2518 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8292251@N03/), on Flickr

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BWPDAY4-t (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292251@N03/5739975544/) by rhaigh2518 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8292251@N03/), on Flickr

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BWPDAY3-t (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292251@N03/5739931508/) by rhaigh2518 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8292251@N03/), on Flickr

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BWPDAY5-t (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292251@N03/5739988126/) by rhaigh2518 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8292251@N03/), on Flickr


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Bridgewater 3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292251@N03/5740084712/) by rhaigh2518 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8292251@N03/), on Flickr

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BWPDAY2-t (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292251@N03/5739401711/) by rhaigh2518 (http://www.flickr.com/people/8292251@N03/), on Flickr

Bridgewater place is pretty isolated.. but is close to Candle House too. Some fierce wind tunnels there!