Fiddlesticks! Well I was rather young. One of my pre-school favourites. The gritty inner-city locations seems rather exotic to a boy from Formby - why are those boys brown, mummy?

Still, you can't be young and remember Pipkins nowadays.

I was one of those "brown" boys.

And I was a rather stupid child.

Comes from growing up in a white ghetto.

It gets worse, my sister on spotting her first black man in Southport shouted, "Look Mummy it's a chocolate man!" He took it well.

On another occasion, when on a train into Liverpool and passing through the less well off north end of the city, the same child piped up at a volume audible to the whole carriage "Mummy, mummy is this where all the POOR people live?"

An embarrassment to our family, both of us.

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THE best skyline

I never liked the whole feudal set up in that rotten borough.

And I was a rather stupid child.

Comes from growing up in a white ghetto.

It gets worse, my sister on spotting her first black man in Southport shouted, "Look Mummy it's a chocolate man!" He took it well.

On another occasion, when on a train into Liverpool and passing through the less well off north end of the city, the same child piped up at a volume audible to the whole carriage "Mummy, mummy is this where all the POOR people live?"

An embarrassment to our family, both of us.

Growing up in Birmingham in the 60's there weren't many houses with baths, we had to use a steel tub in the yard .... which is why I was always brown & dirty!

No litter though, them streets are spotless.

No, just open sewers running down the streets!

It's now filmed in Singapore.

No council, no elections, no MP, mayoral dictatorship, backed up by his own police force and a highly armed local yeomanry. A bit like pre-Peterloo Manchester.

This town where the Reform Acts do not seem to have been applied exists in an era where motor cars are on the streets. It's the late C20th but there are no blacks, no foreigners. A single Irishman is tolerated so long as he takes the mayor's shilling and smacks anyone who misbehaves around the head with his truncheon.

It's like the fantasy of how the editors and proprietors of the sinister "This England" magazine would like this country to be be like today.

This thread has suddenly gone brilliant.

No council, no elections, no MP, mayoral dictatorship, backed up by his own police force and a highly armed local yeomanry. A bit like pre-Peterloo Manchester.

This town where the Reform Acts do not seem to have been applied exists in an era where motor cars are on the streets. It's the late C20th but there are no blacks, no foreigners. A single Irishman is tolerated so long as he takes the mayor's shilling and smacks anyone who misbehaves around the head with his truncheon.

It's like the fantasy of how the editors and proprietors of the sinister "This England" magazine would like this country to be be like today.

I've never seen PC McGarry smack anyone to be honest. All cities should have a heavily armed troop on the outskirts. The French have the CRS.

In fact that's what Trumpton is, a French country town, the foreigners will probably live in the industrial suburb of Chigley (Sheeglay) whilst the CRS and the Police are camped in the satellite village of Camberwick Green.

Ville de Trump

im from up north and we are the friendliest ppl in th UK. Why would we dislike each other.

Doesn't Richard Hoggart write that northern 'friendliness' is actually just a form of collective ignorance.

They're not friendly in Oldham, there's an ambulance permanently stationed outside the pubs to patch up the wounded and then at election time it's BNP time.

^^You sound like a cunt.
Whoa....not like you Awayo with the personal insults?

Sorry to have been such a 'cunt' to have forced you to lower your normally high standards.

Did I touch a nerve?

Not that this is an accent thread, plus I was joking, but I was reffering to the janice from corronation street accent, using 'eh' rather than 'y' (nobodeh (nobody)), 'oh' replacing 'er' (manchestoh(manchester)) etc. You dont hear it much on the bbc, you usually hear a very watered down version - unless corrie has been movied from ITV? :D

But erm, yeh - so best skyline eh? sounds like a better topic..
Janice in Corrie St. has a typical Blackburn accent.

Asamatterofact, there's only a handful of the cast that have what you would call a Mancunian accent. They're all over the shop with various regional accents including Yorkshire ones. They even have members of the same friggin family sporting different accents!

When the show first aired in 1960 it was meant to represent a fictional 'northern working-class town'. If it now represents Manchester then I'm afraid the writers and casters have got it wrong big time.

Whoa....not like you Awayo with the personal insults?

Sorry to have been such a 'cunt' to have forced you to lower your normally high standards.

Did I touch a nerve?

Only messin' Miles. You do sound a like a cunt though.

Only messin' Miles. You do sound a like a cunt though.
Well you sound like a right....nah....refuse to get drawn in.

Careful you don't choke on that chip-butty now.....

No council, no elections, no MP, mayoral dictatorship, backed up by his own police force and a highly armed local yeomanry. A bit like pre-Peterloo Manchester.

This town where the Reform Acts do not seem to have been applied exists in an era where motor cars are on the streets. It's the late C20th but there are no blacks, no foreigners. A single Irishman is tolerated so long as he takes the mayor's shilling and smacks anyone who misbehaves around the head with his truncheon.

It's like the fantasy of how the editors and proprietors of the sinister "This England" magazine would like this country to be be like today.

Give the guy a break, he was brought up in Ipswich, this was obviously just stemming from his own experience.

http://www.naikidbydesign.co.uk/image/Birmingham%20Pan.jpg

Nice.

Great pic of Brum there Sim ,, cheers fella :)

I feel like that picture should conclusivley end this thread. I doubt that there will be s superior skyline picture of any other UK city (excl London).

You should be able to see the city ridge effect there. The building look so high on the left and quite low on the right. There you go. Amazing pic Sim!

Birmingham... what a lovley place. I have the pleasure of living in birmingham and i utterly despise it. it realy is one of the most god forsaken shit holes that i have ever been to. (and i once went to midlesbrough!)

the place has no feel its dead. the street patern is broken by flyovers and dual carridgeways and the planning is a joke take for example the wonderful dual carridgeway you have to go under to get to teh mailbox. The intergration of this development with the rest of the city has been crap. the Central libary being another prime example. what the hell happened there? i find the name paradise walk most amusing. most of that island looks like a stairwell in a nasty council estate and its supossed to be the central library! I wont even mention new street... oh dear.

the Bull ring i hear you say... is shit. its just another shopping centre with the usual shops in that u can find in every other city centre. Great! and as a result of the fantastic bull ring people dont go to the other streets. half the shops on corporation street have closed the quaint arcades near snow hill lie empty due to the amazing bull ring and the disgusting surrounding streets.

there are of course gems hidden within the city. Brindley place is truly superb and St martin's field is nice. However the much hailed Gas street is a disappointment with very little being made of it. Cube should be good tho.

As for skylines birmingham does have a very impressive set up. It helps with its imposing position on a hill. The rotunda really aint as big as it looks. Most of the buildings that dominate the skyline are poor. City central is disgusting and its big brown neighbiour next door is possibly the worst building in the Uk. Not forgetting that attrocious council block adjoined onto new st. Are they not most commonly found in poor slum cleared areas blighted by 60's development?.... ah that would explain it

HCT is an improvement but is not all that, Most people dont like it fom the front its topheavy and not well balanced. It just could have been better. As with orion. I must admit that the renders looked fantastic but the finished article is poor. very poor.

this is not a very well structured peice but hey. neither is the great city of birmingham

well well the only way is up....

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Manchester looking good

^^ :lol: :banana: :lol: :banana: :lol: :banana:

Birmingham... what a lovley place. I have the pleasure of living in birmingham and i utterly despise it. it realy is one of the most god forsaken shit holes that i have ever been to. (and i once went to midlesbrough!)

the place has no feel its dead. the street patern is broken by flyovers and dual carridgeways and the planning is a joke take for example the wonderful dual carridgeway you have to go under to get to teh mailbox. The intergration of this development with the rest of the city has been crap. the Central libary being another prime example. what the hell happened there? i find the name paradise walk most amusing. most of that island looks like a stairwell in a nasty council estate and its supossed to be the central library! I wont even mention new street... oh dear.

the Bull ring i hear you say... is shit. its just another shopping centre with the usual shops in that u can find in every other city centre. Great! and as a result of the fantastic bull ring people dont go to the other streets. half the shops on corporation street have closed the quaint arcades near snow hill lie empty due to the amazing bull ring and the disgusting surrounding streets.

there are of course gems hidden within the city. Brindley place is truly superb and St martin's field is nice. However the much hailed Gas street is a disappointment with very little being made of it. Cube should be good tho.

As for skylines birmingham does have a very impressive set up. It helps with its imposing position on a hill. The rotunda really aint as big as it looks. Most of the buildings that dominate the skyline are poor. City central is disgusting and its big brown neighbiour next door is possibly the worst building in the Uk. Not forgetting that attrocious council block adjoined onto new st. Are they not most commonly found in poor slum cleared areas blighted by 60's development?.... ah that would explain it

HCT is an improvement but is not all that, Most people dont like it fom the front its topheavy and not well balanced. It just could have been better. As with orion. I must admit that the renders looked fantastic but the finished article is poor. very poor.

this is not a very well structured peice but hey. neither is the great city of birmingham

well well the only way is up....

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Manchester looking good

Glad to see you've found your rose tinted spectacles now you're back in Manchester ........ Manchester looking good, my arse!!!!!!!!

im actuly still in birmingham and dreading having to go into town to do some chirstmas shopping with all those stupid sounding rude people walking about. where can i get my presents from???? oh the bull ring coz thats all that this city now consists of

Are you retarded? :dunno:

im actuly still in birmingham and dreading having to go into town to do some chirstmas shopping with all those stupid sounding rude people walking about. where can i get my presents from???? oh the bull ring coz thats all that this city now consists of

Save your pennies for the Arndale Centre then! Buy yourself another 'chip' while you're up there, that one on your shoulder is wearing out, you can buy them in 'MANCHESTERSWAGGERLAND' on King Street!!

i like what u did there very clever. one would say almost witty for a brummie. Must say im not a huge fan of the arndale centre. Its a sad fact of life that our cities are blighted with sad shopping centres. But at least in manchester the city does not merely consist of the Arndal centre

i like what u did there very clever. one would say almost witty for a brummie. Must say im not a huge fan of the arndale centre. Its a sad fact of life that our cities are blighted with sad shopping centres. But at least in manchester the city does not merely consist of the Arndal centre

& I'm not a Brummie ..... unless you count Gloucestershire as Birmingham?

City Plaza, Pavilions, The Pallasades, The Mailbox, New Street, Corporation Street, High Street, Cannon Street, Stephenson Street, etc, etc, not enough shops there for you then, eh??

Birmingham is the best shopping destination after London's West End, FACT!

& I'm not a Brummie ..... unless you count Gloucestershire as Birmingham?

City Plaza, Pavilions, The Pallasades, The Mailbox, New Street, Corporation Street, High Street, Cannon Street, Stephenson Street, etc, etc, not enough shops there for you then, eh??

Birmingham is the best shopping destination after London's West End, FACT!

According to who? How good a place is for shopping is highly subjective. There are no facts here.

Birmingham is the largest after the west-end, but for quality... well, many British city centres would find it difficult to compete with towns like Bath.

Ignore hopo chaps, he has obviously got "issues"

indeed i do have issues... with birminghams clain to be amazing. I must concur that Bath is beautiful but you conld not realy class it as a big city. Newcastle has some delightful shopping streets also and is larger so might provide a better example.

i like this....

City Plaza, Pavilions, The Pallasades, The Mailbox, New Street, Corporation Street, High Street, Cannon Street, Stephenson Street, etc, etc, not enough shops there for you then, eh??

erm no. the palisades for example is pure grimness! iv never seen a higher concentration of pound shops in my life! Quality is certainly lacking.

one cannot class the quality of shopping by the amount of chain shops. leeds is a far superior shoping destination with its shoping arcades and boutiques.

Corporation street is also dead... its all moved to the Bullring.

This discussion seems to have taken a turn towards retail. where is your toothless retaliation to comments about the new st area, the library and the back of the town hall? ..... hmmm not much you can say really.

Oh jus remembered, five ways shopping centre is a right bustling example of birminghams shopping quality. gorgeous

( plus how am i suposed to know ur for Gloucestershire... fool!)

Where have you come from?

5 ways shopping enter wont be around for much longer

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/572EdgbastonShoppingCentreRedevelopment(Phase2)_pic3.jpg

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/572EdgbastonShoppingCentreRedevelopment(Phase2)_

^^ That's Edgbaston Shopping Centre, not Five Ways (sorry!)

The thing I don't like about your comments hopo is that they have an undertone of "Manchester is so much better". If it was "Birmingham is OK but needs to improve x,y & z" then many Brummies will agree.

Birmingham isn't amazing, but it is good (it is what you make it) and improving all the time, and compared to 5, 10 and 20 years ago, the transformation is pretty astonishing.

My bad. what a silly mistake. However. 5 Ways is also being redeveloped.

Whilst Hopo's views are hurtful to a lot of Brummies, I entirely agree with him regarding Bullring - it has damaged town FACT! I can't stand to see so many shop units empty where once trade was booming. Yes ok, The Mailbox and Bullring are great additions to the city centre but i'd rather have bustling arcades too. Look at City Plaza - a nice shopping centre with great units reduced to a walk through. We do need more people to browse around the other areas to give would-be shop owners confidence in opening up businesses. I'd like to see more independent coffee houses dotted about linked in with cheaper clothing ranges and bookshops, to encourage a more bohemian feel in pockets about town.
But the skyline of our fair city is not full of ugly blocks - take a closer look at the pan at the top and spot the spires and couplets and chateau style hotel.

yes sir! Browns coffee house that place is wiked like a step back in time brilliant.

I do feel that the planning and intergration of the new developments in brum could hav been better. I think the new development new=xt to the wesleyan, where the old post office tower used to be will be intresting due to the higher amount of people around here during the day i think that it will improve that delapidated shoping area by the accademy bordered by Corporation st.

The focus is on the bullring to much. Even if the car parks were located so as to provide better pedestrian routes to the shops it would improve the situation. But with th underground car park and the link to new st many people do not actuly leave the shopping complex itself. Its good having the german market at the top of new st though that was a good call.

I do not intend there to be smackings of pro manchester undertone. I did not state that manchester was far superior in any shape or form. Merely posted those two skyline shots, and an albeit antagonising message.. my bad.

The fiveways/edgebaston shoping centres look like good developments but i wonder, will the shops not just be the usual run of the mill shops?

there is a distinct lack of individual weird and bohemian shops around, Usualy low rents are required for such buisnesses to get going and so i cannot see such an area apperaing in the city centre. The redevelopment of Digbeth would have been ideal but i new developers will not be seeking this kind of client.

much love

I think the one thing a lot of us are forgetting is that redevelopment does not happen at once. Martineau Galleries will significantly change the area. The Snow Hill development will plough millions into the area. Eastside will expand the city centre by 30% if not, more. Bullring and Martineau Place were just the first piece of the jigsaw and sadly, yes they have drawn the life out of a lot of the city centre, but it can all be put back with time. Time is something that Birmingham has.

there is a distinct lack of individual weird and bohemian shops around, Usualy low rents are required for such buisnesses to get going and so i cannot see such an area apperaing in the city centre. The redevelopment of Digbeth would have been ideal but i new developers will not be seeking this kind of client.

That's already started hopo. Small independants are setting up there quite regularly now. The Custard Factory is planning a major expansion because of the high demand. Downtown Mark (before he left for Asia) showed us some of the great changes happening down in Digbeth and Deritend. He certainly opened to my eyes to what is already happening and what affect it is doing.

erm no. the palisades for example is pure grimness! iv never seen a higher concentration of pound shops in my life! Quality is certainly lacking.

I would have said try the Moor in Sheffield, but even the pound shops are closing dodwn there :lol:

I think hobo has raised some interesting issues. Even some that I agree with.
But this one, this one is very unusual...

HCT is an improvement but is not all that, Most people dont like it fom the front its topheavy and not well balanced.

Most people do like it from the front, not so many like the back as much. And it is not top heavy. This is top heavy...

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/van_heckler/DSC00525.jpg

^^ :laugh: I agree.

I am enjoying the conversation now hopo...

I disagree with MSP a little. The Bullring is fundamentally important to Brum. A city if 1 million in a conurbation of 2.5 million should be able to support a shopping centre of that size without too many problems. The Bullring has re-established Brum on the retail map, and has brought 2 department stores to the city centre. We shouldn't be apologising for the Bullring - it has clearly stated all through its development that it is for the chains and big fashion shops (it is ~75% clothing-related), and now it is time for the independents to catch up.

Lots of shopping tourists come to Brum and don't venture past the Bullring (shame on them), but the presence of Rackhams (rechristened House of Fraser to attract aforementioned tourists) is keeping the other end of the shopping district ticking over. The whole purpose of Martineau Galleries will be to anchor the other corner, so when people come to Brum to shop, they will venture outside the Bullring.

Now all we need is the Mailbox to re-make its mark, and a council-led policy for independent, specialist and bohemian shops around places like the Jewellery Quarter and/or Digbeth, together with vigorous promotion of them and the markets, and we will be sorted (retail-wise) :)

i totaly agree that in time birmingham will be much improved. The Bull ring being the first part of the jigsaw. And it will be intresting to see how it all fits together

Digbeth is wiked and i often frequent the custard factory but it is often dead in the day despite having probably the best nights in the Uk excluding fabric. but digbeth is not fully intergrated into the city an dthe bohemian shops here are limited there is very little to it so it will be intresting to see what happens with redevelopment in this area. Th paragon hotel is one of the most fantastic buildings in the Uk and the area round there really does have potential. So i guess it will all come in time

As regarding the HCT.. u would be lying if you sed that you wernt disapointed with it a tad. the manchester beetham is ok but there are sevral aspects which i realy dislike and i have been disapointed with. For example the sheer boxines of it and that crap looking blade. Although it is nessessary to balance the tower out another purpose was to blend the tower into teh sky which it totaly fails to do it looks like a peice of scafolding. the overhang around the skybar is an intresting little detail. If you stoped a passer by in brum and asked them about the hct most people wouldnt even notice the overhang.

Mr van heckler stiring it up there.....

As regarding the HCT.. u would be lying if you sed that you wernt disapointed with it a tad.


I'm just dissappointed it took so long and they didn't go with the original 190 or so metre one.

ok orion then... that truly is wank

ok orion then... that truly is wank

I kinda like it actually but it is disappointing. Good thing it really is not that tall and make a real massive effect on the skyline. HCT shields it from the main vantage points.

Orion is wank (so disappointing) but at least Unity Towers in Liverpool may take the accolade of worst new tall in UK ;)

^^Nah. Atleast the Unity towers are interesting.

The Bullring is fundamentally important to Brum. A city if 1 million in a conurbation of 2.5 million should be able to support a shopping centre of that size without too many problems. The Bullring has re-established Brum on the retail map, and has brought 2 department stores to the city centre. We shouldn't be apologising for the Bullring -

Probably the Manc poster didn't venture beyond the Bullring. What he has to remember is that Birmingham is a MUCH bigger city than Manchester and can sustain large prestigious projects like this without having the "ghost town" feel of a small city like Manchester

^^Nah. Atleast the Unity towers are interesting.

Nah, they are shit.

Hmm. Anyone fancy posting some picture's of Leeds and Glasgow on here?

Probably the Manc poster didn't venture beyond the Bullring. What he has to remember is that Birmingham is a MUCH bigger city than Manchester and can sustain large prestigious projects like this without having the "ghost town" feel of a small city like Manchester

What bollocks, Birmingham feels more like a 'ghost town' than Manchester does. And most would agree that Manchester's city centre is larger, even if the population within the city boundary is supposedly smaller.

"Probably the Manc poster didn't venture beyond the Bullring. What he has to remember is that Birmingham is a MUCH bigger city than Manchester and can sustain large prestigious projects like this without having the "ghost town" feel of a small city like Manchester"

I would like to point out that i have lived in birmingham for 3 years now and i am very familiar with the city.

Its intresting that i havnt biged up manchester at all. merely posted some skyline pics and yet because it states that im fom manchester on the side ppl automaticaly assume that im comparing an brummie bashing coz im a manc. simply not the case

Birmingham is the largest after the west-end, but for quality... well, many British city centres would find it difficult to compete with towns like Bath.

Ignore hopo chaps, he has obviously got "issues"

I do know Bath very well Bio, & yes it has a lovely shopping area, but it is still on a par with places closer to home like Cheltenham & even Worcester for the quality of it's shopping ......... there are only so many quality candle shops a town/city centre can support!!!

Hmm. Anyone fancy posting some picture's of Leeds and Glasgow on here?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/BridgewaterPlace25.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/BridgewaterPlace26.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds44.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/07_west_riding_house.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds26.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds25.jpg
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The first few are ones I took whilst wandering around the bottom end of Leeds when I was back for the day. The shoddy phone ones are part of a series I took rather more than discreetly in the planning office on my phone cam. Then there's some of the Russel Davies ones, that I can take no credit for at all, showing the density of the city core. Then the last one is both Lumiere and Criterion place after construction. I hope you appreciate that one, I invented time travel to get it. In relation to the rest of the city, Criterion is just to the right of the under construction Bridgewater Place, and Lumiere is somewhere between West Riding House and Tower House.

Subliving.

bridgewater place is one of the best new towers iv seen it really is fantastic.. no compromise here. its positioning is also spot on. love it

bridgewater place is one of the best new towers iv seen it really is fantastic.. no compromise here. its positioning is also spot on. love it

There are a few people losing the faith on Bridgewater Place, issues with subcontractors has left some aspects in doubt. However, so far, I've seen only one thing that actually alarmed me, and that was a resolved issue. It's good that people outside of Leeds are appreciating how original a design it is! No square tower on this particular site!

Subliving.

Bridgewater place doesn't really do it for me although I have not seen it for real the pics don't say skyscraper to me,however it does seem to have a large overall scale it just looks squat from the sides. The front looks nice even if the cladding has a 90's business park look to it but I hate the back.Lumeire and Criterion place though will be something else,awsome looking skyscrapers Leeds MUST get them built.

You have to see BWP to get its real scale. Lumiere is almost definetley getting built. CP is to come. I really like the back of BWP; just as much as the front.

Now this may have been posted before, but this is a link to what is by far the best skyline shot of Manchester i've ever seen!

Well done Aidan! :cheers:

http://aidanorourke.fileburst.com/lgx/ManPanBalnTrees6617.jpg

That does look good - the setting with the trees in front is perfect :)

Now this may have been posted before, but this is a link to what is by far the best skyline shot of Manchester i've ever seen!

Well done Aidan! :cheers:

http://aidanorourke.fileburst.com/lgx/ManPanBalnTrees6617.jpg

That does look good! Add a bit of snow along the bottom & it would make a cool Christmas card! I like the silvery / blue light that it has.

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Would some willing person post this on best future skyline with all approved towers on there ,someone?:) oh and might as well stick some proposed ones in for good measure.

Just what I was thinking.

Would make a cracking banner. I'm guessing, taken from Bury / Bolton direction?

Would make a cracking banner. I'm guessing, taken from Bury / Bolton direction?
Yeah, I would say more Bolton than Bury. Good guess mate. Not sure if I could judge the distance though.

I'm always amazed by how un-dense Manchester looks, compared to other cities, from a distance. Considering it has so many towers compared to most cities except Birmingham, you'd think it had more of a skyline going on. Even Leeds looks more dense as a city core.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds26.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds24.jpg

Subliving.

I'd quit while you're just about winning Sub!

:)

I wasn't saying Manchester has a bad skyline! I just think it isn't particularly dense. Few years it'll be awesome though. But then, hopefully by that point, Leeds and Birmingham will also be awesome.

Anyone fancy putting Lumiere, Criterion, Unite Plaza, Opal, Spiracle and a few others on there for me? I would do, but I'm the least talented at visual things in the world.

Subliving.

Thats cos the picture is taken from around 7-10 miles away! close up its denser than Leeds :P

http://www.freefoto.com//images/1047/04/1047_04_15_web.jpg?&k=Modern+Office+Building%2C+Coventry:)

I wasn't saying Manchester has a bad skyline! I just think it isn't particularly dense. Few years it'll be awesome though. But then, hopefully by that point, Leeds and Birmingham will also be awesome.

Anyone fancy putting Lumiere, Criterion, Unite Plaza, Opal, Spiracle and a few others on there for me? I would do, but I'm the least talented at visual things in the world.

Subliving.

I agree .... but there are two leagues of skyscraper cities in Britain, Birmingham & Manchester are currently in the premier league, whilst Leeds would be in the same league as a city like Coventry, which I think has a similar skyline to Leeds, but Coventry has the benefit of it's 3 magnificent church & cathedral spires in it's centre.

But one day, Leeds may join Birmingham & Manchester in the same league ... possibly.

Do buildings move close together as you move towards them? Now *that* I have to see, mobile buildings! :eek:

I'm just being daft and facetious with that one, I apologise. I've never got a sense of density from any distance with the Manchester skyline. I've already said I think it is a great skyline, just not that dense! Give it a few years, it'll come good.

Subliving.

I agree .... but there are two leagues of skyscraper cities in Britain, Birmingham & Manchester are currently in the premier league, whilst Leeds would be in the same league as a city like Coventry, which I think has a similar skyline to Leeds, but Coventry has the benefit of it's 3 magnificent church & cathedral spires in it's centre.

But one day, Leeds may join Birmingham & Manchester in the same league ... possibly.

Firstly, I would say that Birmingham is a league ahead of Manchester already. Good luck with catching up there.

As for Leeds being in a league with Coventry, well that's laughable and I think anyone with an ounce of common sense can understand that. To be honest, I think Leeds is kinda caught somewhere between the lower order of privincial cities and the upper order. It definately doesn't register down with the likes of Sheffield and Nottingham, but it isn't yet a rival to Birmingham or Manchester.

As for skylines, I think Lumiere has already decided whether Leeds is going to join Birmingham and Manchester within a few years.

Subliving.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Cov_3_spire_3g06.JPG/800px-Cov_3_spire_3g06.JPGFirstly, I would say that Birmingham is a league ahead of Manchester already. Good luck with catching up there.

As for Leeds being in a league with Coventry, well that's laughable and I think anyone with an ounce of common sense can understand that. To be honest, I think Leeds is kinda caught somewhere between the lower order of privincial cities and the upper order. It definately doesn't register down with the likes of Sheffield and Nottingham, but it isn't yet a rival to Birmingham or Manchester.

As for skylines, I think Lumiere has already decided whether Leeds is going to join Birmingham and Manchester within a few years.

Subliving.

Take the spires out of the equation, & I think you'll agree, Coventry & Leeds are in the same league!

Take the spires out of the equation, & I think you'll agree, Coventry & Leeds are in the same league!

Really?

Coventry:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Cov_3_spire_3g06.JPG/800px-Cov_3_spire_3g06.JPG

Leeds:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds26.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds25.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds24.jpg

Really, really?

Wow...

Subliving.

http://www.freefoto.com//images/1047/04/1047_04_51_web.jpg?&k=AXA+Assurance%2C+Coventry

Really!!! In fact, I'd go as far to say that there are more great modern looking buildings in Coventry than Leeds, & Leeds is supposed to have twice the population of Coventry!!

The reason why Manchester doesn't look dense in the pic, is that most buildings in the city centre are between 5-10 storeys anyway, broken up by a few very tall ones (in uk terms anyway!) so you get massive height differences, making it not look very dense, but just to prove how dense it is, check out the west side of the city centre, which is like a wall of buildings (especially CJC!)

http://www.jonreid.co.uk/images/400D/nightsky.png

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3350/2836/1600/ps_MG_6017.jpg

Coventry isn't as bad as you might imagine, Sub.

I like Cardiffs skyline. Has different areas, rather than one homogonous area of similar hight buildings that give a sense od density but no hight. But then i come from the place - here are some pics i took last year

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff170805039.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff170805027.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff070805067.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff170805024.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P4040006-1.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff020805011.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff020805008.jpg

and although its not highrise at present (3 towers planned with site cleared, 36, 28 and 21 floors plus recent news of a 4th taller one) Cardiff Bay has a nice skyline

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff020805056.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff070805041.jpg

Really!!! In fact, I'd go as far to say that there are more great modern looking buildings in Coventry than Leeds, & Leeds is supposed to have twice the population of Coventry!!

Okay...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/07_west_riding_house.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/370x245_citysq12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/resized_100_0791.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/2003416_743199647.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds58.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/d85a268625847f7815b312f0ea0e06a3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/0e16982a6d9c31dce490fadd91d5c6ce.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/068eee4fe97680d82de8bddae97c44ee.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds6.jpg

All of the above have existed for some time. As for that building you showed me, I think it is probably on a par with Arndale Manchester.

In recent years, Leeds has done both modern and beautiful, as can be seen in these pictures. I really don't comprehend your thoughts on Coventry. It may be a great place, but it doesn't come close to rivalling Leeds as a city. It's like that guy on another thread who was trying to say Preston rivalled Nottingham.

Subliving.

http://static.flickr.com/71/208419026_96834c01ff.jpg?v=0

This British Telecom building in Coventry wouldn't look out of place in Birmingham or Manchester, & is probably taller than West Riding House too!

This British Telecom building in Coventry wouldn't look out of place in Birmingham or Manchester, & is probably taller than West Riding House too!

Telecom House is 58m. West Riding House is 80m. I think someone needs to do research before posting daft statements.

Subliving.

Actually, looking at those pictures of Cardiff, both Coventry & Cardiff have a better skyline than Leeds!

Btw ..... what has a Victorian shopping arcade got to do with these skyline shots??

FLD's new target has been acquired, let battle commence! Haha!

Btw ..... what has a Victorian shopping arcade got to do with these skyline shots??

You were talking about modern architecture, not skylines at that point. I believe you said something like, "Really!!! In fact, I'd go as far to say that there are more great modern looking buildings in Coventry than Leeds, & Leeds is supposed to have twice the population of Coventry!!" And once again, you've shown your ignorance. The Victoria Quarter was constructed in 1995, to house the new Harvey Nichols which was to be sited there. I put it in to show that modern architecture isn't necessarily made of steel and concrete.

I advise you to do at least a small amount of research before spouting off about subjects which you have very little knowledge about.

FLD's new target has been acquired, let battle commence! Haha!

It's easy enough to beat someone who has no knowledge of what he is talking about.

Subliving.

how old are you two? no seriously i want to know?

FLD's new target has been acquired, let battle commence! Haha!


I know, who'd of thought it ME defending Coventry!! But Leeds must remember it can't run before it can walk ..... Leeds & Coventry have a similar feel about them as you approach their city centres ...... very low to mid rise!

how old are you two? no seriously i want to know?

It is the beauty of a forum. No one will ever know. :)

And besides, isn't what the three forums, Best Present Skyline, Best Future Skyline, and the Official City Bashing Thread, are for? If we can't have a good old ding-dong about things on these, then where? Besides, at least we're having a debate about things that isn't going to resort to, "Well you have a tiny cock!" Keep it about the cities man, keep it about the cities. :wink2:

Subliving.

Leeds & Coventry have a similar feel about them as you approach their city centres ...... very low to mid rise!

I visit Coventry quite a bit, having family living there. I really don't see even the slightest comparison between the two cities.

Out of interest, how often do you get up to Leeds?

Subliving.

I visit Coventry quite a bit, having family living there. I really don't see even the slightest comparison between the two cities.

Out of interest, how often do you get up to Leeds?

Subliving.


Of course there is ...... go & wash your flat cap!

Of course there is ...... go & wash your flat cap!

:ohno: After complimenting you on not resorting to personal insults.

They are both cities in the UK, that would be their similarity. However, Leeds is far larger, has a much more interesting skyline and better propects for a future skyline too. There's no point in comparing the two any further than this really, would you say? I think most people on the forum would realise this.

Subliving.

I have to agree. Leeds might not be the best skyline in the country but its certainly a cut above Coventry.

Cardiff is definately on the up too. Looking forward to seeing that waterfront in a couple more years time.

FLD your a joke.

Subliving I can honestly say, Coventry is a 4th tier British city (if that) and I agree with you word for word. Flid has become a bit of a moron recently.

Leeds skyline will become one of the top 5 in the UK, no doubt and already is in statistics.

Lumiere and Criterion will put it even higher.

Hold on hold on! I think there is one definitive skyline that kick's ass.






































Corby! :banana:

I'm sorry but in no way is Coventry in the same league as Leeds.
I'm quite surprised by Cardiff, I don't think I've ever seen it before.
Are there any pictures of Bristol knocking around out of interest and how come no-one ever posts anything Glasgow related on here.

I never hear any body talk about Corby but today I've heard/read about it twice unless I actually know Erebus in real life and don't realise.

Nope, I have never spoken about Corby today. Maybe you know Dinp in real life?

Why's everyone bashing Coventry? For the size of the city (300,000) i believe we have a great skyline - in UK terms. Infact i'd put it in the top 5 in the country for its nightime skyline. The best view is from the ringroad when the spires are illuminated.

^^No-one's bashing Coventry, they're just sating it's not in the same league as Leeds, which to be honest, you can't argue about.

@Telfordboy Bristol is quite a lowrise city, and doens't really have much of a skyline, however at street level it has to be one of the nicest cities in the UK.

And I agree. Would someone post some Glasgow skyline pics on here please?

^^ I never said Coventry had a better Skyline than Leeds but i do think our skyline is underrated. Here's a few pictures

http://hotline2005.urc.org.uk/images/places/skyline1.gif

Coventry Cathedral Spire is 90m high, the 3rd tallest in the UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/coventry/content/images/2006/03/02/old_cov_st_mikes_holt_trinity_380x280.jpg

http://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/wall/spiresfrombishopst.jpg

FLD your a joke.

Subliving I can honestly say, Coventry is a 4th tier British city (if that) and I agree with you word for word. Flid has become a bit of a moron recently.

Leeds skyline will become one of the top 5 in the UK, no doubt and already is in statistics.

Lumiere and Criterion will put it even higher.


Sim, don't feel you have to make excuses for me by down-grading me in the table of the human species, we all have different opinions on lots of different topics.

When was the last time you went to Leeds? I have to admit, the last time I went to Leeds, BWP was only half built, & it more than likely has had a major impact on the skyline of that city ..... which to be brutally honest, wouldn't have taken a lot to have an impact on that skyline.

Leeds, until 12 months ago at least, had a very un-memorable skyline, and had more in common with cities such as Sheffield & Coventry for example .... that is my opinion, & if that seems 'moronic' to you then yes, I am a moron.

If plans for the future towers in Leeds do eventually get built, then Leeds will have a great skyline, but it will achieve that from virtually nothing ..... it does not have a great skyline today.

At the stage, I'd quit while you're already behind.

Your argument was that Coventry's skyline is better than Leeds. It isn't.

Subliving.

I don't know how it looks like Sheffield or Coventry at all; I know its not the worlds best skyline, but its certainly alot denser, clustered and hi-rise than Sheffield or Coventry. And to be honest, the only decent skyline in this country is Birmingham's (and London obviously).

At the stage, I'd quit while you're already behind.

Your argument was that Coventry's skyline is better than Leeds. It isn't.

Subliving.

My "argument" as you put it, which it wasn't, it was a 'statement', was that the Leeds skyline has more in common with Coventry than either Birmingham or Manchester.

Coventry hasn't got a bad skyline & neither has Leeds, so don't be too offended as no offence is meant, it is just an observation.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds26.jpg

I'll just remind you again of the Leeds skyline ...... they'll be laughing their socks off on the Frankfurt forum, I'm not by the way!

p.s. Coventry also has the Skydome arena, it only seats 4,000 people but that's 4,000 more than you have in Leeds ....... isn't an arena on the Leeds wish list?!

Woah how much of the skyline do you wanna miss of. Bridgewater Place hardly gets into that. Youve missed off the complete east and west ends of it, as well as some of the central areas.

Somebody post a good picture of the whole Leeds skyline if you want to shut him up.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/imagesp.php?plib=ps&se=nse&ref=770&idi=Approaching+Leeds

Its a much better representation, even though its an old picture (lack of BWP) that doesnt fit on the East End either.

It is an old picture, but I hope it serves to prove the point. Thank you Leeds No.1!

Subliving.

http://www.uki.net/php/files/ricoharena.uki.net/bonjovi_concert-8.jpg

Plus .... it also has this, a huge venue for pop concerts, and the occasional FOOTBALL match, but we won't go there, will we!!!!

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/imagesp.php?plib=ps&se=nse&ref=770&idi=Approaching+Leeds

Its a much better representation, even though its an old picture (lack of BWP) that doesnt fit on the East End either.

I don't know about proving a point with that picture, I think you've all collectively shot yourselves in the foot!!!!

http://www.naikidbydesign.co.uk/image/Birmingham%20Pan.jpg


...... not exactly this, is it?!

I don't know about proving a point with that picture, I think you've all collectively shot yourselves in the foot!!!!

And the picture of the area does what exactly? How does that register on the skyline?

Oh, and hang on a minute! We've moved from Coventry to Birmingham!

Subliving.

http://img233.exs.cx/img233/2276/leeds82dx.jpg

Not saying theres anything special about it. But how that is similar to Coventry is just strange.

Had no flash!!

If we're getting into long exposure photos...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds39.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds41.jpg

I suspect there's no flash used here either.

Can't remember who to credit the photos to, but they broke into BWP at night and took these from the very top.

Subliving.

Credit where credit is due, that looks fantastic! Why didn't you get that one out earlier?!

Credit where credit is due, that looks fantastic! Why didn't you get that one out earlier?!

I forgot I had it! :lol:

I only remembered I had it when you mentioned the flash thingy.

Subliving.

Excellent shot! Like a lot of our cities (including my beloved Birmingham) they have a tendency to look better at night time, thanks for showing it to us Sub.

Excellent shot! Like a lot of our cities (including my beloved Birmingham) they have a tendency to look better at night time, thanks for showing it to us Sub.

Thank you. Though, as it is taken form the top of the tallest building in Leeds, it doesn't really show the skyline off at all. However, they are nice photos, and credit really is due to the guys that took them.

There are a few more too, however they are facing out of the city, so I didn't post them. If anyone is interested, I'll post the whole collection later.

Subliving.

They are really clear, & show how extensive central Leeds is, which you don't appreciate as you whiz through on the way to Grassington in the Dales, (which is normally when I get to see the Leeds skyline!).

I shall take that as an invite to post the rest of them. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/th_Leeds38.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds38.jpg)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/th_Leeds36.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds36.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/th_Leeds35.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds35.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/th_Leeds39.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds39.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/th_Leeds41.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds41.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/th_Leeds43.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds43.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/th_Leeds42.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds42.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/th_Leeds40.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds40.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/th_Leeds34.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds34.jpg)


I've made them clickable thumbnails, as my bandwidth is taking a bit of a hit this month.

Subliving.

...... not exactly this, is it?!

No, you're right, Leeds' skyline does not contain the ugliest collection of high-rise buildings in the country.

http://www.gallerynorth.co.uk/forum/skyline.jpg

Theres a bloke from Liverpool who does that. Theyre all crazy if you ask me...

[from the top of beetham west] - therefore missing out the tallest buildings].

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/photos/sw1/Dsc_0022.jpg

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/photos/sw1/Dsc_0018.jpg

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/photos/sw1/Dsc_0019.jpg

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/photos/sw1/Dsc_0036.jpg

[now 2 by scouserdave]

http://www.clichedesigns.co.uk/beethamwnov.jpg

http://www.clichedesigns.co.uk/alexnov3_001.jpg

No, you're right, Leeds' skyline does not contain the ugliest collection of high-rise buildings in the country.

http://www.gallerynorth.co.uk/forum/skyline.jpg

You say that, & post a picture of Leeds!!:nuts:

Ace picture, as always, di Livio! Your own, or a find?

Subliving.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Birmingham%207/PICT0119.jpg

Leeds needs one or two of these ..... not that ugly, eh?!

I dont like the wierd retro wallpaper cladding personally. But the shape is good and its deffinitely added to Brums skyline.

Yeh that Hyatt Regency Hotel, Birmingham one is better. \/

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3575/imgp2086xd1.jpg

.... a couple of these in Leeds wouldn't go amiss either.

Leeds needs one or two of these ..... not that ugly, eh?!

Yes, correct. We're getting four of those in fact.

And as for the other one, why should Leeds need two, if even Birmingham only has one of them?

Subliving.

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/4053-2/13CH1005_342.jpg

Alpha Tower isn't bad for an old lady, & she's 20 metres taller than West Riding House too ..... want one of these too, Leeds?

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/14192-2/12CH0406+021.jpg

Colmore Gate is quite a 'looker' too ..... stop me when you see an ugly one won't you ...... or uglier than what you have on offer in Leeds at any rate.

Colmore Gate is quite a 'looker' too ..... stop me when you see an ugly one won't you ...... or uglier than what you have on offer in Leeds at any rate.

Okay, consider yourself stopped. Colmore Gate is an ugly thing of a building, and Alpha Tower is no better than West Riding House. Besides, what is your obsession with WRH? It's not like it's the tallest or most beautiful building in Leeds. Or are you one of those people who prefers height to design?

Subliving.

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/4766-2/DSC_0391.jpg

...... or how about a curvy model?

Sorry, the last one just slipped in. Well, let De Livio post some pictures of some beautiful high rise structures in Leeds then, seeing as he thinks the ones in Birmingham are so ugly! Note, I used the plural in 'structures'!

http://www.naikidbydesign.co.uk/image/Birmingham%20Pan.jpg


...... not exactly this, is it?!

What percentage of buildings in that picture would you say look good?

http://www.freefoto.com//images/1046/02/1046_02_61_web.jpg?&k=The+second+tallest+building+in+Birmingham+-+Alpha+Tower+-+Height+99.90m+-+Floors+28Okay, consider yourself stopped. Colmore Gate is an ugly thing of a building, and Alpha Tower is no better than West Riding House. Besides, what is your obsession with WRH? It's not like it's the tallest or most beautiful building in Leeds. Or are you one of those people who prefers height to design?

Subliving.

Alpha Tower is quite elegant for a 35 year old building, built at a time when aesthetics generally went out of the window .... it is far better than West Riding House, no comparison!

I can see 2 nice ones, and those 2 'twin' towers to the left of Beetham should look good once they start cladding.

What percentage of buildings in that picture would you say look good?

I would say about 50% .... which is about 7 of the taller buildings, 7 more than there are in Leeds.

I would say about 50% .... which is about 7 of the taller buildings, 7 more than there are in Leeds.

Seven buildings which aren't in Coventry, may I first point out.

In fairness, you did say to stop when I saw an ugly one, and apart from HCT, you didn't really post a pretty building.

Subliving.

Seven buildings which aren't in Coventry, may I first point out.

In fairness, you did say to stop when I saw an ugly one, and apart from HCT, you didn't really post a pretty building.

Subliving.

Fair comment, well get De Livio to post me a beaut from Leeds will you.

I'm always amazed by how un-dense Manchester looks, compared to other cities, from a distance. Considering it has so many towers compared to most cities except Birmingham, you'd think it had more of a skyline going on. Even Leeds looks more dense as a city core.

Subliving.

Sorry mate but it really doesn't, firstly the pic of Manchester was taken a lot further away, and becuase Manchester has more 'big ones' they're the only sort of highrise that you register..

For example, look at this pic:

http://static.flickr.com/94/246239472_a74fd5f927_b.jpg

Notice the 'mass' around the middle, near city tower, this is far denser than anything in Leeds. If you took city tower out, and photographed it from the same distance as that photo of Leeds you'd realise this.

http://static.flickr.com/95/225543285_baa9060935_o.jpg

Not very pretty, but:

http://static.flickr.com/55/113474372_f53311a9a4_b.jpg

http://i5.pbase.com/u38/u03mlr/upload/24880111.IMG_81031.jpg

etc etc

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/1195-2/110804_232.jpg

A tall-ish pretty one for you!

Great shots of Manchester Kids, but my god, has a bomb gone off in that last one .... looks like a war zone!

Fair comment, well get De Livio to post me a beaut from Leeds will you.

Well, apart from the four beauties on their way:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds23.jpg

there is of course Bridgewater Place, and Trinity One, which isn't very tall, but is incredibly attractive.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/BridgewaterPlace32.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds63.jpg

Again, not exactly high rise, but I think you'd agree that these are incredibly high quality.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/370x245_citysq12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/0e16982a6d9c31dce490fadd91d5c6ce.jpg

Question answered, methinks.

Subliving.

Some good ones in that first one Sub, I hope they get built just to give Manchester a 'run for it's money'. But I've never been a fan of BWP, it's too grey & too 1980's for me, & I've tried to imagine this building on the Birmingham skyline, but it wouldn't add anything to the city. At least it blends in with the sky!

Notice the 'mass' around the middle, near city tower, this is far denser than anything in Leeds. If you took city tower out, and photographed it from the same distance as that photo of Leeds you'd realise this.


Tis dense in those photos! I like! I'd never seen photos oh Manchester from such distance before, as people tend to take pictures from miles away, which does make it look less dense, but from that distance, the core looks brilliant!

If we're doing old talls, may I add:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/civic_hall_full.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/town20hall.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/ParkinsonBuilding.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/leeds.jpg


Subliving.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/downtownmark/bham2003.jpg

A bit gloomy, but i've dug this one up again.

Great shots of Manchester Kids, but my god, has a bomb gone off in that last one .... looks like a war zone!

Looks like a construction boom to me.

Why do you keep posting pictures of bad-average buildings and asking leeds if they want them? They are already getting much better ones..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Nicholas_Varley/Leeds/Leeds26.jpg

I'll just remind you again of the Leeds skyline ...... they'll be laughing their socks off on the Frankfurt forum, I'm not by the way!


Of course they would, in Frankfurt. They would laugh their tits off at Brum and Manchester and Coventry too!

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/downtownmark/bham2003.jpg

It just screams. Why on earth would you want to come here?

Though there's shots like this for everycity I guess...

if you knocked down all the tall buildings, would the skyline look better or worse. In my opinion the skylines of most UK cities would look better as most tall buildings are grey, 60's and in poor condition. Boring and unexciting, you have to really look for the beauty in most of them. Revealing spires, dome and pinicles of the older buildings would give a much pretty skyline IMHO

Of course they would, in Frankfurt. They would laugh their tits off at Brum and Manchester and Coventry too!

Not Birmingham. Frankfurt love Birmingham. Especially as they are our twin city too. There are posters for Brum all over the gorgeous city and the city has looked a lot better since!

It just screams. Why on earth would you want to come here?

Though there's shots like this for everycity I guess...

I agree it is a grim photo and I agree, there are ones for every city. Some more than others *cough* Manchester *cough*. :)

Not Birmingham. Frankfurt love Birmingham. Especially as they are our twin city too. There are posters for Brum all over the gorgeous city and the city has looked a lot better since!

Maybe. But in Frankfurt they have a skyline full of massive Skyscrapers, they don't in Brum. Your skyline, in comparison to Frankfurt IS laughable, they therefore WOULD laugh at any comparison.

I don't know why Flid brought Frankfurt into it. Compared to Frankfurt, its Birmingham that looks like Coventry.

Why would Frankfurt twin with Brum? No offence, but Frankfurt is one of the worlds leading financial centres, it has a gorgeous skyline etc. But Brum is, well, Brum.

I suppose they had to twin with someone. But Birmingham is definitely getting the better deal. I can't imagine the union is a source of pride over there.

Why not twin with Birmingham? Birmingham has benefitted vastly from the twinning with Frankfurt and is developing itself into a major economic centre like Frankfurt has already done. Birmingham's central business district has the largest concentration of administrative and private sector office-based employment in England. Birmingham is also a major business conference centre with something around 40% of such conferences in England being held in Birmingham.

Just because it isn't publicly televised to the masses, it doesnt mean that it isn't anything special.

I agree it's a good deal for Brum. I was wondering what Frankfurt could possibly get out of the union.

Holding a concert to raise money for its rotting twin city? Brum-aid maybe? ;)

Well it seems Frankfurt is twinned with similar cities to Birmingham which are also twinned to similar cities. For example, Birmingham twinned with Guangzhou in China one or two weeks back and Guangzhou is twinned with many of the cities Birmingham is. It creates some sort of net or community where trading can be done with a number of different partners.

I am not too sure what Birmingham has given to Frankfurt as there is no or little coverage of the union.

if you knocked down all the tall buildings, would the skyline look better or worse. In my opinion the skylines of most UK cities would look better as most tall buildings are grey, 60's and in poor condition. Boring and unexciting, you have to really look for the beauty in most of them. Revealing spires, dome and pinicles of the older buildings would give a much pretty skyline IMHO

Correct! which is why i voted for other - namely Oxford
I also like Newcatle with the great bridges and St James dominating the skyline at the top of the hill. Cardiff is also good because you can see the millenium stadium and the floodlights of ninian park as come into the city from the motorway.

I honestly don't think there are that many ugly buildings in Leeds; most of the ugly ones have been reclad. City House is the main remaining ugly building. Most the ugly buildings are the commie blocks of Clay Pit Lane and Burmantofts that are close enough to the core to form part of the skyline.

Frankfurt twinned with Birmingham due to its limited options. London was taken so they went for the next best thing. Brum might be bad, but they still rated it higher then Manchester and co ;)

Who is Shanghai's International Sister City in the UK?

:)

We all know Jo'Borg is the best city to be twinned with. They'll use voodoo against you all

Love the profile of Beetham tower to the far right,everytime I see it I think of a tall soldier standing erect on guard duty,chest out and back straight. Great tower. I hope they don't spoil the effect by building to many towers around it.
http://static.flickr.com/94/246239472_a74fd5f927_b.jpg

Excellent shot! :D

Anyone know how tall this beauty is?

http://static.flickr.com/139/322475848_32b4cba8b3_b.jpg

And one of the usual for us all ...

http://static.flickr.com/133/321406681_42108bbade.jpg?v=0

http://static.flickr.com/133/321406681_42108bbade_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/92/235154471_564c393ceb_b.jpg

It's Birmingham by a mile clearly. It's actually got a better skyline than London because London's skyline highlights are so far apart (this will be rectified when Heron DIFA and 122 Leadenhall go up tho). Liverpool second, Newcastle probably third. Manchester doesn't get a look in.

It's Birmingham by a mile clearly. It's actually got a better skyline than London because London's skyline highlights are so far apart (this will be rectified when Heron DIFA and 122 Leadenhall go up tho). Liverpool second, Newcastle probably third. Manchester doesn't get a look in.

Newcastle doesn't even have a skyline, it doesnt have any tall buildings to speak of! I've heard some ridiculous things on ssc but this is right up there. Birmingham with a better skyline than London? I always thought you needed nice looking buildings for a good skyline.

It's Birmingham by a mile clearly. Newcastle probably third. Manchester doesn't get a look in.

Your proud of a skyline full of shit. I'm glad your happy.

http://static.flickr.com/133/321406681_42108bbade.jpg?v=0

Orion actually looks quite good in that I think. The only bit that looks shocking is the different coloured paint.

Although I like the Orion Building, well more than many around here anyway, I think it looks a bit Squat on that picture, needed to be another 20-30 Meters taller.

I really think that if you're making comparisons between the provincial cities and London, you're a bit barmy. If you honestly think that Birmingham beats the twin-core situation of the City and Canary Wharf, then good luck to you. I think most people, however, have more sense than to think that.

Subliving.

Your proud of a skyline full of shit.

Look who's talking.

The only bit that looks shocking is the different coloured paint.

Luckily for me, I can't see it! Colourblindness does have it's advantages at times! :banana:

some more of cardiffs skyline (has more distinct buildings than just grey concrete)

thought id start with a grey one though
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/Cardiff2026.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/capitalcity-cardiffpan.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/156.jpg

It certainly is green. I havent been to Cardiff for over a decade I think. I remember going to Cardiff castle and staying in a caravan just outside of it. We then stayed at some friends house (they have now moved to Spain!).

Anyone know how tall this beauty is?

http://static.flickr.com/139/322475848_32b4cba8b3_b.jpg

Not sure but I love it! Is this in Rubery/Frankley?


I'm loving Cardiff by the way! :okay:

that tower reminds me of this one in Cardiff (its a hospital)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/081.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/092.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/WhitchurchHospital.jpg

newish manc shot..

from http://www.downtownmanchester.com

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/214/mcr06ad3.jpg

Smiley's just posted this. :drool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Tower%20Blocks%204/WolvoWalsallblocks16th12200648.jpg

Those two pics are cool

Heres some of Cardiff
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/altolusso-1.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff070805060.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/Captower.jpg

You say that, & post a picture of Leeds!!:nuts:

Precisely, pretty much every 1960s high-rise building in Leeds has been demolished, replaced or re-clad in the last 10 years. I'm not a Birmingham-basher, I practically live there, but I prefer Leeds' skyline simply because it looks more modern. My opinion.

http://static.flickr.com/28/54050002_b1f4d4bd75.jpg?v=0

http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer22.jpg

http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer6.jpg

Keep dem nite-shots comin' lar, I tink yer bound to produce a decent one before long...:okay:

newish manc shot..

from http://www.downtownmanchester.com

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/214/mcr06ad3.jpg

I love this! Beetham is absolutely immense here and doesn't look so isolated.

Newcastle doesn't even have a skyline, it doesnt have any tall buildings to speak of! I've heard some ridiculous things on ssc but this is right up there. Birmingham with a better skyline than London? I always thought you needed nice looking buildings for a good skyline.

You need a concentration of buildings to have a skyline, and Birmingham (relative to its horizon) has a far denser concentration of talls. Beauty's optional, and it's also in the eye of the beholder. Most people wouldn't frot themselves into a frenzy over the CIS tower.

Newcastle's bridges form one of the most distinctive and well-loved cityscapes in England, so ridiculous? I thinky not somehow bwoy.

I think a succesful skyline would be one that if you draw a continuouse line showing the outline of prominent buildings people could recognise it.

Keep dem nite-shots comin' lar, I tink yer bound to produce a decent one before long...
It's a live webcam yeh muppet. Check it again in the morning! :lol:

I love this! Beetham is absolutely immense here and doesn't look so isolated.

I actually think this one makes Manc look pretty crap?

if its any consol... the brum one by smiley is great BUT... its stil highlights very low rise skyline.. these threads prove that UK people still need to travel elsewhere to get a thrill of tall buildings, skylines etc

It's a live webcam yeh muppet. Check it again in the morning! :lol:
Oops....tell dat dere webcam den like...:)

if its any consol... the brum one by smiley is great BUT... its stil highlights very low rise skyline.. these threads prove that UK people still need to travel elsewhere to get a thrill of tall buildings, skylines etc

We're working with what we've got, thats why so many of us on here are thriving for our cities to build tall. Because we've SEEN how highrise towers compliment major cities around the globe.

for me id rather one iconic skraper than 10 bland ones. Id rather a Spinnaker Tower / gurkin than the two beethams (i do like them tough)

Oops....tell dat dere webcam den like...

Will do, but I fail to see what it has to do with the Black & White Minstrels. ;)

Id rather a Spinnaker Tower / gurkin than the two beethams

Not these two, surely?

http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/1876/p1060054abv3.jpg
Taken by Liverpolitan. :cheers:

sorry but i dont find them very unique, im sure there are 30 different versions of them. This is not to say they arn't nice, or wouldn't add greatly to any skyline. (beethams = Manchester and birmingham ones)

I actually think this one makes Manc look pretty crap?

There have been some truly hideous skyline shots of Manchester in the past, but after re-clads to CIS and Sunley, and the notable addition of Beetham, it's beginning to look attractively new and shiny.

But not as good as Birmingham.

There have been some truly hideous skyline shots of Manchester in the past, but after re-clads to CIS and Sunley, and the notable addition of Beetham, it's beginning to look attractively new and shiny.

I'm only taliking from a skyline point of view, I am sure it lookes better at street level.. Manchester is fairly tidy but I always feel it fits a lot more better into a small area if taht makes sense??? its retained its towny feel in a small way..

I actually think the Pool about wins in uk at the mo, I quite like both the tall towers... 7/10 for me.

But not as good as Birmingham.


Not yet, but it will be.

Fook morbid Birmingham anyway with all it's 60's keeerap! Who'd want a skyline full of rancid cardbard boxes?

Who'd want a skyline full of rancid cardbard boxes?

the cardboard box club ffs :ohno: , get with the programme man..

http://www.thecbc.com/ :lol:

Don't get wound up with Manc Guy, Elizabeth, the furthest he's been from Manchesterland is Oswaldtwistle!

Don't get wound up with Manc Guy, Elizabeth, the furthest he's been from Manchesterland is Oswaldtwistle!

...Timbuktu actually.

What an assumption, you dont even know me. Period. Full stop. FFS. Exclamation mark :lol:

...Timbuktu actually.

What an assumption, you dont even know me. Period. Full stop. FFS. Exclamation mark :lol:

I don't know you ....... but it is probably a correct assumption.

The equivalent of your name, 'Manc Guy', from my part of the world would be 'Brum Boy' ..... anyone with a name that includes their city, HAS to be a bit insular!

I don't know you ....... but it is probably a correct assumption.

The equivalent of your name, 'Manc Guy', from my part of the world would be 'Brum Boy' ..... anyone with a name that includes their city, HAS to be a bit insular!

My, when I first joined SSC I probably was you know ;) Since then 4-5 year's have zoomed by! I've gotten out a bit more, I've seen the world, I've seen every type of Tesco Metro there is and I've seen Brum and I've seen enough!!!

Assumption? pffft, pretty lame assumption if you ask me mate, but okay flippy flop. I happen to have been here longer than you, so I know that assumption's been outrageously over used by many brum forumers 'before' you and of course by you to this date! Something along these lines right? "the guys not ventured 10 mintues outside his front door, what the fuck does he know?"

Change, the, fucking, record!

Ooooooooohhh! (Gets handbag out in Reeves & Mortimer fashion!)

Cardiff skyline from BT Stadium house

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/253431282_14e475f393_b.jpg

I actually quite like that tall building on the left of the picture, it reminds me of one of the buildings in the city of London, it has a touch of 'class' about it.

Cardiff is great though. I was there earlier this year & had a stroll around the Bay re-development area, it is coming along nicely. Cardiff & Liverpool both have an enviable position on the water, something both Birmingham & Manchester will never have.

http://www.freefoto.com//images/31/04/31_04_7_web.jpg?&k=The+City+of+LondonI actually quite like that tall building on the left of the picture, it reminds me of one of the buildings in the city of London, it has a touch of 'class' about it.

Cardiff is great though. I was there earlier this year & had a stroll around the Bay re-development area, it is coming along nicely. Cardiff & Liverpool both have an enviable position on the water, something both Birmingham & Manchester will never have.

The Cardiff building, similar to the one in front of Tower 42 in the City of London? Similar any way. Like them.

http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer22.jpg
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer6.jpg

Foggy in Liverpool today.

I actually quite like that tall building on the left of the picture, it reminds me of one of the buildings in the city of London, it has a touch of 'class' about it.

Cardiff is great though. I was there earlier this year & had a stroll around the Bay re-development area, it is coming along nicely. Cardiff & Liverpool both have an enviable position on the water, something both Birmingham & Manchester will never have.

Well Salford quays could be descibed as Manchesters waterfront just a mile or two from the city centre . The section between Old Trafford and the Lowry arts and retail area is as wide as the Thames in central London maybee wider actually,with inlets and sub canals branching off.

Fook morbid Birmingham anyway with all it's 60's keeerap! Who'd want a skyline full of rancid cardbard boxes?

Manchester certainly seems to be. Except maybe they aren't so cardboard.

Cardiff & Liverpool both have an enviable position on the water, something both Birmingham & Manchester will never have.

We can always try with Edgbaston reservoir!

Well salford keys was nice, but it will never be like Cardiff bay or Penarth water front

When the reservoir is full and the skies on sunny this place makes Brum look so American. Found a recent example of a dreary looking Birmingham.

http://static.flickr.com/103/302676146_1c7bb5417b_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/58/169380987_342f5f9ddf_b.jpg

This is one of my favourites

http://www.flickr.com/photos/slippy-23/70973092/

Ooooooooohhh! (Gets handbag out in Reeves & Mortimer fashion!)

Grasped the hint then? :)

Manchester certainly seems to be

Hardly on the scale of shanty town Birmingham, is it though? We've got a blank canvas so to speak...

http://static.flickr.com/58/169380987_342f5f9ddf_b.jpg


Thought that was the Costa del Sol for a moment!!

Any shots of the city from that view? Them tower blocks aren't much to look at.

It's a bit of a difficult angle as I recall - the buildings get in the way to the right, although up a tree might be OK :)

Interestingly, to the right of the BT tower you can see the peak of a Buddhist temple's pagoda, clad in gold :)

http://www.midlandsailingclub.org.uk/Members/alex/racing-10th-june-2006/DSCF0036.jpg/image

Part of Birmingham's city centre skyline.

Here is a shot of Cardiffs Bute Park in relation to the city center (you can see the castle as well)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/302884133_56a204db12_b.jpg

I often think the stadium overshadows any merit Cardiff's skyline deserves. I've never been so I'll pass judgement till I visit.

http://www.midlandsailingclub.org.uk/Members/alex/racing-10th-june-2006/DSCF0036.jpg/image

Horrid. Why post a picture that makes it look so bad :S ? Anyway, bit weird that one, the picture seems out of focus in certain parts. The water in comparison to the boats, groovy...

I often think the stadium overshadows any merit Cardiff's skyline deserves. I've never been so I'll pass judgement till I visit.



Horrid. Why post a picture that makes it look so bad :S ? Anyway, bit weird that one, the picture seems out of focus in certain parts. The water in comparison to the boats, groovy...

Yawn .... Crappy Histmas.

We do greenary better then anywhere though ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Birmingham%203/PICT0007.jpg

The view from Bartley reservoir is'nt bad

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Birmingham%204/BartleySkyline4.jpg

Horrid. Why post a picture that makes it look so bad :S ? Anyway, bit weird that one, the picture seems out of focus in certain parts. The water in comparison to the boats, groovy...[/QUOTE]

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j270/caw12345/P5050153copy.jpg

Or ..... posted by a Manchester forumer earlier in the year ..... he probably thought this was a good shot too?!

Anyway Manc Guy, why don't you syphon off your venom for the rest of the year, 'tis the season of goodwill after all! Other than that, p**s off, as the picture was meant to give someone an 'idea' of the view from Edgbaston Reservoir, it wasn't meant to represent the best picture of Birmingham of all time, ever!!

sorry but Cardiff is greener than anywhere :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff170805024-1.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P7140023.jpg

And depending on the Angle, the millenium stadium does dominate - but then it would in the center of Manchester!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/200220Millennium20Stadium.jpg

The stadium certainly does dominate. And Birmingham is greener :).

Those are wonderful pictures of Cardiff, cardiff. The middle one showing the woods probably isn't strictly speaking in the City of Cardiff?

Birmingham has the largest City Parks Department in Britain, & Sutton Park is the largest urban park in Europe. With 6 million trees in the city boundary, it has more of them than Paris ... believe it or not!!!

And depending on the Angle, the millenium stadium does dominate - but then it would in the center of Manchester!

Manchester has a stadium bigger than the Millenium Stadium, and it doesnt dominate the skyline. Not even the Quays skyline.
The taller COMS doesnt dominate either.

Nice pic of Cardiff though.

Dear, oh dear. Obviously not been to Cardiff then. The Millenium Stadium is HUGE & really tall too. It is far bigger than the COMS or Old Trafford ... FACT!

Dear, oh dear. Obviously not been to Cardiff then. The Millenium Stadium is HUGE & really tall too. It is far bigger than the COMS or Old Trafford ... FACT!

The roof height is nothing spectacular. The only thing tall about it is the 4 support posts, just like the supports on COMS. Would they really dominate the skyline if the stadium was in Manchester? Hardly.

And more people seat in Old Trafford than the Millenium Stadium. So which is really bigger?.....FACT

are you talking about the city of Manchester stadium? if so it was nowhere near the city center and looked smaller to me. Also saw it on a typical grey day which didnt do much for its windswept car park aproach. I think it would have been better place opposite the war museum north / salford queys. Cardiffs stadium is definately in the center! only really visable from a distance or Westgate street or the other side of the river Taff.

Cardiff has more green space per person than any city in Europe. And that picture was taken from Castell Coch which is in the city (although not center).

Castell Coch (red castle) you cant see the M4 motorway and A470 dual carriageway from this angle

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/121960943_d8f68eea34_o.jpg


Birmingham is much larger than cardiff so number of trees etc is not a good point to make - Cardiff is closer to the countryside though so i could say there are more lol :)
Here is a view of the city center from it (sorry about size, its not mine)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/capitalcity-cardiffpan.jpg

Cardiffs a bit greener than this hey

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/167.jpg

If you shifted left then you would get the full view of Centenary Square :). In fact, that was taken from Centenary Square (well the Birmingham Wheel in Centenary Sq) - full of lovely greenery :)

this is what it looked like when i was there lol :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/164.jpg

Heres a good picture showing how green Cardiff is (note the difference in colour of bay and bristol channel)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/fly-28.jpg

sorry but Cardiff is greener than anywhere :)


Really?

Sheffield's Centre's non to green, but it's suburbs are.
http://static.flickr.com/99/289307278_2e38f8679e_o.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/112/278331109_4198e160da_o.jpg

And one that really shows the green-ness, but is too big to post on here:
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=206467674&size=o

That photo is really cool. Where did you take it from?

Think one of our guys took these pictures

http://static.flickr.com/87/209473487_53b64cd811_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/85/209931983_faa2876bb4_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/77/209530610_74ba2a0dbc_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/84/209480929_fd6765131f_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/79/209437517_4b957a97f9_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/79/209383597_1a6fad8ec2_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/68/209105603_c49f62d173_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/65/209429445_2632a73641_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/61/214490099_76885e4acf_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/84/212791413_e6704d8c15_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/76/212793161_3540f7413e_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/60/209953806_61dcb8aff7_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/60/209953806_61dcb8aff7_o.jpg

Which? The panorama? I'm afraid it's not mine.

The other two are taken from my attic in Ranmoor.

^^cool panoramic (sheffields a city i want to visit!)

Cardiffs suburbs

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff170805009.jpg

as seen from one of many parks

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/cardiff170805044.jpg

not mine and in winter / autumn

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/UK-WAL-Cardiff-nethde2.jpg

Cardiff from along way away showing how green the area is

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P6030259.jpg

closer

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/P6030255.jpg

and from a different vantage point

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/sanstiss/184Caerphillymountain.jpg

Ahem - apart from villages and hamlets, since when to trees constitute a "skyline"?

Let's not get into a slanging match with Cardiff - we are larger, they are a capital city.

With all this "we're bigger, better, have more of those, twice as many of these and cooler" comments, anybody would think we are on the Manchester forums!








:jk:

Ahem - apart from villages and hamlets, since when to trees constitute a "skyline"?

Let's not get into a slanging match with Cardiff - we are larger, they are a capital city.

With all this "we're bigger, better, have more of those, twice as many of these and cooler" comments, anybody would think we are on the Manchester forums!








:jk:

You'd love to be on/apart of the Manchester Forum Bio. :wink2: