Did you use St. John's Beacon (Radio City Tower) in Liverpool's highest skyline ranking, Fly? If you did, then yes, you are correct in a latter paragraph, and is indeed very "subjective", and also very selective too!

Perhaps you could include tallest 'strructures' and not just buildings in our cities, & then re-jig your list a little!!!

Btw, it is widely acknowledged that outside of London, Birmingham has the most dense 'city centre' skyline, & doesn't include council flats in the suburbs as Glasgow's are.


Erm, no I did not include the Radio City concrete mess. Liverpool has under construction a building that is currently higher than anything in Brum.

So yes. I was being selective in sticking to buildings, because as stated then Blackpool and Elmley Moor would have a higher skyline than Birmingham, in conjunction with Manchester.

Erm, no I did not include the Radio City concrete mess. Liverpool has under construction a building that is currently higher than anything in Brum.

So yes. I was being selective in sticking to buildings, because as stated then Blackpool and Elmley Moor would have a higher skyline than Birmingham, in conjunction with Manchester.

Oh, ok then. The foundations for the Snow Hill Towers in Birmingham city centre are being prepared at the moment, one at about 140 metres high & the other at around 90 metres high ..... did you put those in to your Birmingham stats then??!

Oh, ok then. The foundations for the Snow Hill Towers in Birmingham city centre are being prepared at the moment, one at about 140 metres high & the other at around 90 metres high ..... did you put those in to your Birmingham stats then??!

No because we are not counting the future. Just as is now:

Elmley Moor
London
Manchester
Blackpool
Birmingham

if we are talking about current structures.

Unless we also include height above sea-level which would be quite comical, since a ski-lift in Scotland makes it onto your list. Thanks for letting me know Birmingham is built on a series of sandstone(?) bluffs.

The Most Dense Skyline:
London
Manchester/Brum/Glasgow....far to subjective to tell apart..some very flattering shots and very unflattering shots get used.

The Best looking Skyline:

London
Edinburgh
Oxford/Durham
Liverpool

What a pile of crap, just wondering how long it took you to come up with this shit.....

What a pile of crap, just wondering how long it took you to come up with this shit.....

Have you even been to these cities?

Post your list.

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These have started Fly.

Density:

London
Liverpool
Birmingham
Manchester

Best Looking:

Canary Wraf
Liverpool
The rest just look crap....

And yes by the way I've lived in Birmingham, Liverpool and been to manchester loads of times (I'll give you the 'Best City for shopping' award though)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/robinsonworld/Birmingham/P1000152.jpg

Here's the proof, Fly!

Yes they have. Well actually I believe other structures on the same site are going up 1st but the ground works for the towers are indeed being prepared.

But have they started at 140metres.

Which bit of the current tallest list do these towers impinge on? Which quote did I say future towers are added...because at the moment Leeds, Manchester, Glasgow and Brighton have more chance of being ahead in the next 3 years before AST gets topped out.

Is is your height above sea-level thought again?

Just intrigued as to which "completed" towers in Liverpool you used in your stats if you didn't include Radio City .... remember, we said "completed" towers!!!

Density:

London
Liverpool
Birmingham
Manchester

Best Looking:

Canary Wraf
Liverpool
The rest just look crap....

And yes by the way I've lived in Birmingham, Liverpool and been to manchester loads of times (I'll give you the 'Best City for shopping' award though)

Ahh the Liverpool mafia.

Not only one of the best looking (granted) but more dense than Birmingham and Manchester and even Glasgow. Bang, there goes your judgement.

Ahh the Liverpool mafia.

Not only one of the best looking (granted) but more dense than Birmingham and Manchester and even Glasgow. Bang, there goes your judgement.

On the "Highest" skyline ranking you produced, you put Liverpool higher up the list than Birmingham, how was that then??

Another question, when Birmingham completes it's 176 metre Pinnacle Observation & Theme Park Tower, will you decide unilaterally to exclude that from your lists, just because it bears no resemblence to anything you have in Manchester? Do you include the CN Tower in Toronto in any of your stats you produce for other cities??? Hmm, interesting.

Just intrigued as to which "completed" towers in Liverpool you used in your stats if you didn't include Radio City .... remember, we said "completed" towers!!!


No, stupidly I just used my eyes and included physical buildings whether fully clad or still only part-framework.

Can you let me borrow your misty, glass ball of all-seeing future skylines to picture these finished buildings?

On the "Highest" skyline ranking you produced, you put Liverpool higher up the list than Birmingham, how was that then??

Another question, when Birmingham completes it's 176 metre Pinnacle Observation & Theme Park Tower, will you decide unilaterally to exclude that from your lists, just because it bears no resemblence to anything you have in Manchester? Do you include the CN Tower in Toronto in any of your stats you produce for other cities??? Hmm, interesting.

Liverpool's Beetham West is higher than any building in Birmingham...unless you are counting from sea-level again!

When the Pinnacle Tower gets built, let's discuss it. If is habitable (restaurant will do) space then a tower should be included, I believe those are the `rules' of the high-rise community.

Beetham, Manchester also bears no resemblence to anything in Birmingham currently because it is a skyscraper and not the stuff of Brummie wet dreams.

Birmingham. Purely for density.

Ask the same question in five years' time and I'd expect to give a different answer.

Liverpool's Beetham West is higher than any building in Birmingham...unless you are counting from sea-level again!

When the Pinnacle Tower gets built, let's discuss it. If is habitable (restaurant will do) space then a tower should be included, I believe those are the `rules' of the high-rise community.

Beetham, Manchester also bears no resemblence to anything in Birmingham currently because it is a skyscraper and not the stuff of Brummie wet dreams.

Oh dear, the CN Tower isn't "habitable" & you'd probably kill for a structure like that in Manchesterville!!

Don't think Beetham West is 152 metres tall matey, as is the BT Tower in Birmingham. Your 157 metre high Beetham Tower in Manchester just about passes as a skyscraper, but here in Birmingham we will have at least 5 world class towers springing up across the city centre, all between 140 & 185 metres tall ..... there are even murmerings of something even bigger .... watch this space ...... if you dare to look Fly. Oh yes, you can remove your rose tinted spectacles off now.

Oh dear, the CN Tower isn't "habitable" & you'd probably kill for a structure like that in Manchesterville!!

Don't think Beetham West is 152 metres tall matey, as is the BT Tower in Birmingham. Your 157 metre high Beetham Tower in Manchester just about passes as a skyscraper, but here in Birmingham we will have at least 5 world class towers springing up across the city centre, all between 140 & 185 metres tall ..... there are even murmerings of something even bigger .... watch this space ...... if you dare to look Fly. Oh yes, you can remove your rose tinted spectacles off now.


No, towers are only included if habitable.

Gosh, you do struggle sometimes, is English not your forté?

You have an enviable track record, down at out-patients for these ramblings. You are a bit like that Brad Pitt character in Twelve Monkeys, with a slightly skewed vision of the future you want.

Beetham West is higher, currently, than any building in Brum.
Manchester Beetham is higher than any building in Brum at 169m

Stick to the present becuase you have problems enough dealing with today's realities let alone the vagries of the Birmingham City Council planning department.

No, towers are only included if habitable.

Gosh, you do struggle sometimes, is English not your forté?

You have an enviable track record, down at out-patients for these ramblings. You are a bit like that Brad Pitt character in Twelve Monkeys, with a slightly skewed vision of the future you want.

Beetham West is higher, currently, than any building in Brum.
Manchester Beetham is higher than any building in Brum at 169m

Stick to the present becuase you have problems enough dealing with today's realities let alone the vagries of the Birmingham City Council planning department.

I think you'll find, if you check the official height on SkyScraper News, Beetham Manchester is 157 metres tall. Or, because it suits YOU, & it happens to be in Manchester, you are including the "UNINHABITABLE" piece of scaffolding effort that has been erected on it's roof??!

There are holes all over your statistics Fly, Beetham Manchester is 157 metres high to it's "habitable" roof .... that is the benchmark you are using, isn't it?

.... & is Beetham West "completed" yet?

Unlike, you I have not managed yet to find a tape measure nearly long enough to check these stats.

Ok, so discounting ariels and concrete posts:

London,
Manchester
Liverpool*

all have higher buildings than Brum does currently.

*if not yet completed, then will be before any Brum building beats it and is currently physically taller than any Brum building.

Erm, no I did not include the Radio City concrete mess. Liverpool has under construction a building that is currently higher than anything in Brum.

So yes. I was being selective in sticking to buildings, because as stated then Blackpool and Elmley Moor would have a higher skyline than Birmingham, in conjunction with Manchester.

Erm - aren't we talking about skylines? Well, forgive me if I am wrong, but 2 things that people think of when you say "Birmingham's skyline" or "Liverpool's skyline" are the BT Tower and Radio City Tower respectively, so they IMHO should be counted.

I am perfectly happy for Blackpool to enter the fray as Blackpool Tower is one of the most recognised buildings in the UK (isn't there a show hall at the top?), and I guess Emley Moor too, although a) it isn't urban and b) there isn't a lot else there.

As long as you include Sutton Coldfield's TV transmitter ;)

Unlike, you I have not managed yet to find a tape measure nearly long enough to check these stats.

Ok, so discounting ariels and concrete posts:

London,
Manchester
Liverpool*

all have higher buildings than Brum does currently.

*if not yet completed, then will be before any Brum building beats it and is currently physically taller than any Brum building.

Beetham West is not yet completed, neither are the Snow Hill Towers, so it is not yet habitable so you should not yet be using it as part of your stats, matey. I could use the same arguement when any of Birmingham's towers are started to use your logic!!

Would you like to re-affirm the height then you've used for Beetham Manchester?

Btw, take a look at the top of this page. 36% of this poll say Birmingham has the best skyline, 16% say Manchester..... nuff said!

I presume the Lemmings had a similar poll on whether they should visit the cliff tip cottage again this year?

^^ I presume the Lemmings had a similar poll on whether they should visit the cliff tip cottage again this year?

You haven't answered my questions for me..... or have I answered them for you???:naughty:

Erm - aren't we talking about skylines? Well, forgive me if I am wrong, but 2 things that people think of when you say "Birmingham's skyline" or "Liverpool's skyline" are the BT Tower and Radio City Tower respectively, so they IMHO should be counted.

I am perfectly happy for Blackpool to enter the fray as Blackpool Tower is one of the most recognised buildings in the UK (isn't there a show hall at the top?), and I guess Emley Moor too, although a) it isn't urban and b) there isn't a lot else there.

As long as you include Sutton Coldfield's TV transmitter ;)

Fair enough. Forgive me if I am wrong but the 1 thing people think of when you say "Elmley Moor Syline" is the tower!

So :

Elmley Moor
London
Manchester
Blackpool
Birmingham

Beetham West is not yet completed, neither are the Snow Hill Towers, so it is not yet habitable so you should not yet be using it as part of your stats, matey. I could use the same arguement when any of Birmingham's towers are started to use your logic!!

Would you like to re-affirm the height then you've used for Beetham Manchester?

Btw, take a look at the top of this page. 36% of this poll say Birmingham has the best skyline, 16% say Manchester..... nuff said!

No comment really. Some Japenese industrilist spent £50m on a vase of Sunflowers. I bought my girlfriend a vase of flowers for £35.

One is 3-dimensional and smelt nice (flowers and my girlfriend), the other was a minging shite painting.

It's all about opinions.

Ok, here's the revised list ..... BEST & OVERALL HIGHEST CITY CENTRE SKYLINES IN BRITAIN.

1. LONDON
2. BIRMINGHAM
3. MANCHESTER
4. LIVERPOOL
5. CHELTENHAM (I liver near there, & it is ace!!!)

Byeeeee!!

5. CHELTENHAM (I liver near there, & it is ace!!!)




A mug punter if ever there was one?

I think you have been on the gallops too long

Taken early Feb 2007.

St Johns Beacon not in sight.
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2595/zwaterfrontpan136uz5.jpg

Princes dock area front on, showing space for future plot 3a (30 ish), King eddys (40/50 ish), and plenty of space behind.
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8827/zprincessfronton1wn3.jpg

Lovely :)

They are great pictures, it's a shame about that horrible brown thing in that top photo, I suppose every city must have it's own carbuncle!!

That image of Liverpool is a far better & denser skyline than Manchester!

Birmingham, you now have your version of the ol' Earlybird!

Very nice ^^

The Fly I have to say you talk complete nonsense. Elmley Moor is hardly a skyline. Infact, you even struggle to see it when your in Huddersfield due to the hillage.

Birmingham however, sits roughly 130m AOD before any towers are added, with a flat basin around it. It's skyline stands out.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/362868655_70ee2c2ea5_b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Birmingham%204/BirminghamPanorama2-7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Birmingham%207/PICT000827072006.jpg

It has the greatest density outside London. This is Broad Street, you dont even want to know how many towers sit just to the left and right of this picture. Ill give you a clue what's due to be added though in the next few years. The Cube (70m), BST(133m), AC(160m?). AC blocks(50-80mx5?), 11 BP.(60m)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Tower%20Blocks/PICT004816072006.jpg

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/527/densityoj7.png

Night skyline. Brum also wipes the floor

http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk/photo/gallery/room-with-a-view-ie.jpg

Hillage. Is that even a word?

Emley Moor can be seen all over the area.

Not from Huddersfield. I bloody tried hitting a golf ball at emley moor. hundreds of the bastard balls.

Its still hardly a skyline and not even worth a mention.

Hillage is definately not a word, but its a short cut and fingers crossed it will make the dictionary before to long.

No, towers are only included if habitable.

So on what basis isn't Radio city tower to be included? There's at last two floors 400ft+ above the ground, manned 24 hours a day, as offices and radio studios. There are also offices at its base.

Beetham West is now taller than the Beacon anyway, completed or not
http://www.siteeyelive.com/monitor/camputer22.jpg

Best present skyline, thats a hard one, id say liverpool/brum/london are kinda tied, in their different ways.

London, well its the capital, there are buildings everywer that look nice
Brum, only because it is dense and has a few nice buildings
Liverpool, because it has the waterfront setting and is clustering well

Manchester has a few good towers, but they are nower near each otehr so i dont think u can count it as a proper skyline. London will rule the roost in a few years, then liverpool (central docks and development around the CBD) and i think manchester will overtake brum

London isn't a choice mate :nuts:.

Best present skyline, thats a hard one, id say liverpool/brum/london are kinda tied, in their different ways.

London, well its the capital, there are buildings everywer that look nice
Brum, only because it is dense and has a few nice buildings
Liverpool, because it has the waterfront setting and is clustering well

Manchester has a few good towers, but they are nower near each otehr so i dont think u can count it as a proper skyline. London will rule the roost in a few years, then liverpool (central docks and development around the CBD) and i think manchester will overtake brum

:lol: :nuts: This is the funniest post i have read in a Long time (no offence to anyone else on this thread), London is by far the best skyline in the country(tbh its the only city to have a proper skyline) hence why its not included in the Poll. London isnt tied with any other city it already rules the roost.

but why is it? the size of the skyline is so large that the only buildings that can be made out in any clarity are nondescript towers that would be laughed out of any other city of comparable size. St Stephens tower, St Pauls et al look plebby on an encompassing skyline shot. I think this 'London has the best skyline hands down' argument should be kicked into touch. It has a lot of impressive individual buildings, and some nice clustering in parts, but as a whole, its skyline is currently toss. IMHO.

Whats with the avatar of accura? Thats fooking sad you know. :ohno:

get a grip.

but why is it? the size of the skyline is so large that the only buildings that can be made out in any clarity are nondescript towers that would be laughed out of any other city of comparable size. St Stephens tower, St Pauls et al look plebby on an encompassing skyline shot. I think this 'London has the best skyline hands down' argument should be kicked into touch. It has a lot of impressive individual buildings, and some nice clustering in parts, but as a whole, its skyline is currently toss. IMHO.

Were not talking about 'other' cities comparable in size in 'other' countries though are we? I wouldn't say its toss at all, in fact I think saying its toss is a full of toss suggestion. Canary Warf, the city, theres already alot there and going on in London.

but why is it? the size of the skyline is so large that the only buildings that can be made out in any clarity are nondescript towers that would be laughed out of any other city of comparable size. St Stephens tower, St Pauls et al look plebby on an encompassing skyline shot. I think this 'London has the best skyline hands down' argument should be kicked into touch. It has a lot of impressive individual buildings, and some nice clustering in parts, but as a whole, its skyline is currently toss. IMHO.

eh sorry for a person on a architecture forum to say that is pretty ridiculous. London's skyline is much more interesting then any modern city with just masses of masses of skyscrapers, i would've expected a person from manchester would realise that. London is one of a few handful of cities which has incorporated its historical and architectural heritage with its new modern existance. Calling it 'Toss' shows a lack of understanding.

I really don't want to get into this type of debate as i did say no one get offended b4 when i said what i said but im afraid 'London has the best skyline hands down'(your statement) is true. Therefore it would be unfair to put it in the Poll. Im all for other cities improving as most ppl would know from my comments on this forum, and wouldn't be patronising to anyone.

Personally, I don't think it does have the best skyline. Parts of it are impressive, and parts are interesting, but as a whole it is lacking. If it were all crammed together it might make a very impressive cluster, but as it covers a huge area, it looks too dispersed at this time. This might be unfair on London, as it does cover a huge area, and thus needs a lot more to make it look less barren than say Birmingham, which has a lot of midrise in a compact cluster, or Liverpool, which has a small, but perfectly formed cluster on the riverfront. If the content of either of these two cities were placed in London, I think apart from the Royal Liver, Liverpools two cathedrals and HCT/BT in Brum, you'd hardly notice the difference.

In regard to the 'nondescript towers' comment, OK that was probably unfair, as London does have a few instantly recognisable towers (Swiss RE, Tower 42, 1 Canada Square). I did have a few beers beforehand, so I hope that is taken into account. I also agree that calling the skyline 'toss' was unfair as well. The city mixes old and new better than just about anywhere, but again, with Canary Wharf so far away, to simply call it a 'London Skyline' detracts from the two distinct clusters, and makes them both look small, and London relatively barren when viewed together. The poll maybe would've been better with Canary Wharf and the City included as separate entries.

And Manc Gay, what's it to you what fucking avatar I decide to use? Go and fook yourself. :lol:

Personally, I don't think it does have the best skyline. Parts of it are impressive, and parts are interesting, but as a whole it is lacking. If it were all crammed together it might make a very impressive cluster, but as it covers a huge area, it looks too dispersed at this time. This might be unfair on London, as it does cover a huge area, and thus needs a lot more to make it look less barren than say Birmingham, which has a lot of midrise in a compact cluster, or Liverpool, which has a small, but perfectly formed cluster on the riverfront. If the content of either of these two cities were placed in London, I think apart from the Royal Liver, Liverpools two cathedrals and HCT/BT in Brum, you'd hardly notice the difference.

In regard to the 'nondescript towers' comment, OK that was probably unfair, as London does have a few instantly recognisable towers (Swiss RE, Tower 42, 1 Canada Square). I did have a few beers beforehand, so I hope that is taken into account. I also agree that calling the skyline 'toss' was unfair as well. The city mixes old and new better than just about anywhere, but again, with Canary Wharf so far away, to simply call it a 'London Skyline' detracts from the two distinct clusters, and makes them both look small, and London relatively barren when viewed together. The poll maybe would've been better with Canary Wharf and the City included as separate entries.

And Manc Gay, what's it to you what fucking avatar I decide to use? Go and fuck yourself. :lol:

Firstly Apology accepted :)

secondly those two cluster are both in London so no they shouldn't be seperated and put into the poll, even if that was the case im afraid they'll be first and second. But im impressed with the developments going on in other cities pretty pleasantly surprised at Manchesters proposals and those underconstruction.

Just out of interest, does the River Irwell separate Manchester from Salford?

I don't give a fook about Manchesters proposals really, hailing from Liverpool and everything. :)

I actually agree with the comment dups started this unintentional spat with. London does have a lot going on, but with two skylines, much of it looks lost, and it'd take a lot to alter it's appearance. Birmingham, being much more compact, to the untrained eye, looks like a much denser place. Liverpool although only having about eleven things of note on its skyline manages to look more organised and nothing looks lost, in that I mean every building forms it's own distinct part of the skyline.

I don't give a fook about Manchesters proposals really, hailing from Liverpool and everything. :)

I actually agree with the comment dups started this unintentional spat with. London does have a lot going on, but with two skylines, much of it looks lost, and it'd take a lot to alter it's appearance. Birmingham, being much more compact, to the untrained eye, looks like a much denser place. Liverpool although only having about eleven things of note on its skyline manages to look more organised and nothing looks lost, in that I mean every building forms it's own distinct part of the skyline.

sorry i still cant see how these places tie with London for the best skyline, im just being realistic.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one mate. :)

:cheers:

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one mate. :)

:cheers:

Yup

im sure more ppl agree with me tho, (sorry couldnt help it) :)

:lol:

Just out of interest, does the River Irwell separate Manchester from Salford?

Yeah the City of Manchester is on the east side of the River Irwell and the City of Salford is on the west side. However Manchester's City Centre sprawls over into Salford. Similarly Salford Quays sprawls over slightly over the Manchester Ship Canal into Trafford.

But in the end it's all Manchester!! :banana:

And Manc Gay, what's it to you what fucking avatar I decide to use? Go and fook yourself.

Okay bunnyboiler. Just thought, you know...that avatar was a bit weird. Like gimping teenage boys eh? Maybe you need reporting to the authorities :)

But in the end it's all Manchester!!

It certainly is.

Okay bunnyboiler. Just thought, you know...that avatar was a bit weird. Like gimping teenage boys eh? Maybe you need reporting to the authorities :)



errr, i thought that was a picture of himself

While I don't agree with Bunnyman there, I see his point. The London skyline is on another level to any other UK city, but thats the point.

With the city of London and Canary Wharf being literally miles away from eachother, when viewed as one huge skyline, it takes away from the impact of both. So individually the City skyline and Canary Wharf skyline are great and good respectively but viewed as one - not so great and therefore not miles ahead of other cities. Still, London is amazing and the number of buildings which provincial cities would treasure just absolutely everywhere in London is mind blowing.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2595/zwaterfrontpan136uz5.jpg

Found this on flickr:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/379604093_ffa28b4bd9_b.jpg

Look at the difference in distance between the Cathedral and Liver Building, just shows how decieving certain angles can be.

^^ Great pics, not gonna mention anything on ur other point ;)

So you don't agree that the city of london skyline is less impressive when viewed from (however many) miles (it takes to fit in CW and CoL) away than it is viewed on it's own? Likewise for CW?

London is great, both skylines are individually good but you surely see my point?...

i see your point but dont agree with this statement of urs:

While I don't agree with Bunnyman there, I see his point. The London skyline is on another level to any other UK city, but thats the point.

With the city of London and Canary Wharf being literally miles away from eachother, when viewed as one huge skyline, it takes away from the impact of both. So individually the City skyline and Canary Wharf skyline are great and good respectively but viewed as one - not so great and therefore not miles ahead of other cities. Still, London is amazing and the number of buildings which provincial cities would treasure just absolutely everywhere in London is mind blowing.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/van_heckler/BirminghamonMersey.jpg

brutal

That looks awful van.

Its all good - do you think the London skyline view as one big image is miles ahead of us lot? I think it would probably come in 1st place purely based on size, both sprawl and height wise but certainly not by miles.

That looks awful van.

Cheers, it only took like 4 hours. :|

That looks awful van.

Its all good - do you think the London skyline view as one big image is miles ahead of us lot? I think it would probably come in 1st place purely based on size, both sprawl and height wise but certainly not by miles.

sorry im afraid im gonna have to say by miles, pls stop asking me cos i dont wana upset anyone:)

Cheers, it only took like 4 hours. :|

You could have done something more useful in those four hours Van. Like watch paint dry. Nice try anyway.

PS. It's like Venice meets Birmingham by the sea.

Cheers, it only took like 4 hours. :|

Haha, sorry, I'm not saying your photoshop skills are awful - it's just that the Birmingham skyline in Liverpools place looks :puke:

it's just that the Birmingham skyline in Liverpools place looks

Stuck in the 60's? Rotten? Cheese? In need of TLC?

You could have done something more useful in those four hours Van. Like watch paint dry.

I can see you're trying to be funny jrb, but on a serious note, comedy isn't your strong point. As for watching paint dry being more useful, I'd have to disagree. By creating that image I have improved upon my photoshop skills and my knowledge of both cities. I've also learn't how to fend off the abhorrent critics of this forum single handedly. Before I was curious as to how Liverpool would look if they had built the towers that Birmingham is home to and now I'm not. I don't think I have ever achieved as much as that watching paint dry. Have you?

Haha, sorry, I'm not saying your photoshop skills are awful - it's just that the Birmingham skyline in Liverpools place looks :puke:

You have to admit though, there are a few improvements on that picture. The Rotunda in place of Beetham Tower for example.

Stuck in the 60's? Rotten? Cheese? In need of TLC?

The only 60's buildings on there are the Rotunda and BT tower, both of which have been done up properly. Not like the grotesque Portland Tower.

I can see you're trying to be funny jrb, but on a serious note, comedy isn't your strong point. As for watching paint dry being more useful, I'd have to disagree. By creating that image I have improved upon my photoshop skills and my knowledge of both cities. I've also learn't how to fend off the abhorrent critics of this forum single handedly. Before I was curious as to how Liverpool would look if they had built the towers that Birmingham is home to and now I'm not. I don't think I have ever achieved as much as that watching paint dry. Have you?

Obviously the paint fumes have got to you VAN. Either that, or you've just cut your ear off? Have you ever tried to paint a whole house that's just been plastered and then have to watch and wait for the paint to dry? Try it, then tell me what you've really achieved in life.

The only 60's buildings on there are the Rotunda and BT tower, both of which have been done up properly. Not like the grotesque Portland Tower.

BT tower done up properly? Get outt'a here silly :lol:

I can see you're trying to be funny jrb, but on a serious note, comedy isn't your strong point.

Photoshop isn't your's. Trust me :)

You have to admit though, there are a few improvements on that picture. The Rotunda in place of Beetham Tower for example.

I'd swap the sandcastle for rotunda, but other than that - no ta.

I'd swap the sandcastle for rotunda, but other than that - no ta.

That's not the point of the image though. I was replacing like for like buildings. Birmingham's equivelant. There's nothing quite so hideous as the sand castle in Brum. The closest thing I could think of is Alpha Tower, only because it looks big and bulky from the front elevation. Quite slender from the side.

Photoshop isn't your's. Trust me :)

If I'm being honest with you, I would say it is actually one of my strong points. Maybe not the strongest, but certainly up there with the best of them. I'm quite good at quoting people too as well as typing more then one line of words for each reply I post. I'd hate to be one of those people who doesn't know how to quote others.

Anyway, on to more important matters. My next project is going to be very similar. This time instead of slapping Birmingham's buildings onto Liverpool's skyline, I'm gonna put Manchester's on. One thing that worries me though is finding a curvy replacement for both of Liverpools Beethams. Even if I use Manchester's future proposals, I've still got a problem.

I'm off to bed anyway. If you want a reply for the vast ammounts of abuse that will be hurled in my direction in the following hours, you'll just have to wait till the morning. :wave:

I love the Brown thing on Hill Street on the waterfront!

I'd swap the sandcastle for rotunda, but other than that - no ta.

I'd want Beecham Brum for Beecham one (if not West), and Birmingham Town Hall for the Middle Grace, and while you're at it might as well get in the City Centre tower for the shorter darker version in Liverpool who's name escapes me.

And big Brown thing on Hill Street for the Sandcastle, obviously.

And While I'm here:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/167/392084773_bc29869ddf_b.jpg
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/4827/zunityfromdockwall1fd2.jpg
as mentioned by SimontheSoundMan

If I'm being honest with you, I would say it is actually one of my strong points. Maybe not the strongest, but certainly up there with the best of them. I'm quite good at quoting people too as well as typing more then one line of words for each reply I post. I'd hate to be one of those people who doesn't know how to quote others.

Wow. I never knew quoting needed so much attention Van. Last time I checked anyway, you clicked a button or two an shambam, you had it done. Obviously a strenuous but highly rewarding task for you. Congratulations, you can quote. You can quote "good".

Some of you guys are really pathetic. Good work Van. Bit of light hearted relief from all the bitching which these guys seem to live for.

Maybe, you should add every tower in Brum on there just to show how dense the city really is. Cant believe people actually take that seriously :lol:

Keep it going. Looks really good :):cheers:

Some of you guys are really pathetic.

let me quote. let me quote "good".

can see you're trying to be funny jrb, but on a serious note, comedy isn't your strong point.

he got nasty. So i felt the need to also. Did i do a good job?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/Corris_/Gardens.jpg?t=1171797455

Here's something I did a long while back. I used to love sketchup pro :)

how things have changed.

^^

That's bollocks

Manc Guy style reply

Sorry, you didn't quote me good. I don't understand.

Don't worry. You'll get over it.

please elaborate van.

http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/4827/zunityfromdockwall1fd2.jpg

I really like unity alot.

Excellent render van. It does show how a waterfront can improve the visual aspect of talls.... it also shows that Liverpool DOES have, by far the prettiest skyline, regardless of its position on the Mersey..

Look forward to seeing the manchester on the mersey one.... Nice one!

Manc Guy stop your bickering.

I wonder what it would look like with Liverpool's towers in Birmingham?

Places like Liverpool are lucky to have a waterfront which makes a skyline look so much more prettier, like the Docklands surrounded by the thames.

Does that count as a (future) waterfront setting? :naughty:

http://www.media-city.co.uk/FlyThrough_Windows_Med.wmv

PS. Please God, give us Plymouth Argyle at home in the quarter final of the FA Cup. :happy:

:)

There's nothing quite so hideous as the sand castle in Brum.

The sand castle can look pretty impressive in certain lights.. and adds some excellent density and mass to the skyline from the Mersey view.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8088/imgpzx3150lp2.jpg

I think you did a great job with you render Van, what it demonstrates is how buildings grow into an environment, even if they appear to bare no immediate relationship to each other. You can't simply transplant good buildings from one city to another and expect them to work as well.

I'd gladly keep the Selfridges building and the Rotunda from that shot (although not in place of Beetham West!)

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6654/imgp3147oc4.jpg

As for Unity.. call me bias.. but I love it..

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3576/imgp3148le6.jpg

i love the unity tom and also like the box on top, but i hate the office part of unity its awful

...

Its gotta be birmingham for now but it will change soon.

http://i13.************/2zplf74.jpg
A skethcup pro i did of leeds skyline in 2012.

looks kind of spread out, but good work

Yeh very good work. I have to agree however, still not very dense.

Looks a bit like Brum with Rotunda to the right and HCT with the Sentinels to the left.

It's good, except you missed off (partly because some wouldnt fit on the image):

Granary Wharf
Monkbridge Forge Towers (1&2)
City One
Providence
Marshall Street

Its gotta be birmingham for now but it will change soon.

http://i13.************/2zplf74.jpg
A skethcup pro i did of leeds skyline in 2012.

Great work :)

Aye! It certainly beats mine but I cant really do anything to mine anymore because the computer goes awol whenever it loads the file.

I love these builds, but they never give you an idea of density. They always leave the city looking spread out for some reason.

Great work on the model though!

Subliving.

quite a cool pic of Cardiffs city center skyline

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a102/susananstiss/skyline1.jpg

I think a view of London that can incorporate the eye and big ben in the foreground and canary wharf etc in the background has to win any award here.

Two great pics from Twiz

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8516/twizdq8.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2131/twiz2wq3.jpg

you can see Alexandra Tower on the left and Beetham West making a big impression.

Two identical pics from Twiz as well.... :)

Two identical pics from Twiz as well.... :)

haha that went well

You forgot this one:
http://www.clichedesigns.co.uk/plp_pano_big.jpg

:cheers:

that last pic is a monster... but you really get an idea of the scale of regeneration in the city!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/412939728_7a9f88f76e.jpg?v=0

A bit of density viewed from Salford, taken from flickr.

Note this pic has NONE of Mancs top 4 biggies in there, so no Beetham (off to the far right), no City Tower (off to the left slightly), no Arndale Tower (more to the left) and no CIS Tower (off even more to the left!)

And Chapel Wharf (125m under construction... well, almost) will go in that view too!

I've got a question for the scousers. What is that thing under construction in front of the Anglican cathedral?

Kings dock arena, or Liverpool ACC (arena & confrence centre)

Cheers man, it looks.... interesting.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/412939728_7a9f88f76e.jpg?v=0

A bit of density viewed from Salford, taken from flickr.

Note this pic has NONE of Mancs top 4 biggies in there, so no Beetham (off to the far right), no City Tower (off to the left slightly), no Arndale Tower (more to the left) and no CIS Tower (off even more to the left!)

That's near me that is, and they say i don't live in Manchester :|

So did we decide that Birmingham won this poll?

No, Liverpool pissed it.... it is just that loads of people forgot to vote!

The only problem with this poll is that it's bullshit, most of the votes came from dishonest fanboi's from Birmingham and Manchester voting for their own cities. I voted for scouseland.

If Birmingham is winning because it has some many tall council blocks on its skyline, then why isn't Salford represented in this poll?

The only problem with this poll is that it's bullshit, most of the votes came from dishonest fanboi's from Birmingham and Manchester voting for their own cities. I voted for scouseland.

If Birmingham is winning because it has some many tall council blocks on its skyline, then why isn't Salford represented in this poll?

In Birmingham City Centre there are only 3 high rise council blocks (one is about to be demolished) & 3 mid rise blocks .... where do you get the "some many" from??!!

In Birmingham City Centre there are only 3 high rise council blocks (one is about to be demolished) & 3 mid rise blocks .... where do you get the "some many" from??!!

That's six for starters.

That's six for starters.

6, soon to be 5 ..... for a city of 1 million people I don't think that is too many. I wonder how many are the equivalent of being 'council owned' in Manhattan for example? What's wrong with council tennants living in a city centre any way?

If the property market slumps, as is predicted, it may be the only use for the plethora of apartments put up in Manchester & Salford over the past few years!

Plus the Sentinals are cool, if most British Tower Blocks looked like them then I wouldn't hate them anywhere near as much as I do.

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/4433-2/29CH45_194.jpg

2 of Birmingham's council owned blocks are shown here in the background ..... a darn sight better looking than the ones shown at the beginning of Coronation Street, for example!

In Birmingham City Centre there are only 3 high rise council blocks (one is about to be demolished) & 3 mid rise blocks .... where do you get the "some many" from??!!

But there are many more that have been converted into apartments,mutton dressed as lamb?they still look like council blocks.

http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/z/ze/zeafonso/489050_campinas_sao_paulo__7.jpg

2 of Birmingham's council owned blocks are shown here in the background ..... a darn sight better looking than the ones shown at the beginning of Coronation Street, for example!

Oh no you're showing me pictures of the Brazilian outback again.

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/4433-2/29CH45_194.jpg

2 of Birmingham's council owned blocks are shown here in the background ..... a darn sight better looking than the ones shown at the beginning of Coronation Street, for example!

FYI, Manchester has had far more council towers done up into apartments than Birmingham.

Boring!!!!!

No there aren't, there are the 3 behind the Rep, the Sentinals and the thankfully soon to be demolished Stephenson Tower and thats it for the 60s council tower blocks in Brum city centre.

Boring!!!!!

I'll remember that next time you start wanking over the Sentinals ;)

Umm. To be fair, Ill probably still rate them higher then the Vagina Building.

Umm. To be fair, Ill probably still rate them higher then the Vagina Building.

I dont understand why you hate it so much. Its a decent tower. Just less so than what AC was made to be.

I can't believe I'm reading Accura being positive towards Birmingham, has the world gone mad?
Also I agree with him about V

But there are many more that have been converted into apartments,mutton dressed as lamb?they still look like council blocks.

Are there?

There's the sentinals, stephenson whichis vile and is coming down, and a few small ones near Brindleyplace which have just been done up. I can't think of any others.

Orion was built in the 00's, believe it or not :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Birmingham%207/PICT000827072006.jpg

You're going to tell me these buildings in the foreground aren't council blocks now,but they're as good as from this view.They look like to me anyway.:)

Yep. They arent council blocks.

Closer up

http://www.birminghamnet.co.uk/galleries/features/skyline/skyline9.html

http://www.birminghamnet.co.uk/galleries/features/skyline/skyline10.html

http://www.jonreid.co.uk/images/birmingham11.jpg

See below.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Birmingham%207/PICT000827072006.jpg

You're going to tell me these buildings in the foreground aren't council blocks now,but they're as good as from this view.They look like to me anyway.:)

They're not in the city centre though. You see this road is a radial route out of the city and usually when you are near the edge of the city and look back towards the city centre you see somewhere described as the inner city. Now the inner city is usually a bit scabby and the location of many council tower blocks.
Due to perspective as you look from the edge of the city to the city centre this 'inner city' appears in front of the city centre as demonstrated in the above picture.

That was more sarcastic than I had in mind sorry.

Now thats how to get your moneys worth out of a skip. ^^

See below.
Concession accepted.

They're the very same tower blocks I was on about that are making up brums skyline whether they're in the city centre or not.That's why this picture was originally posted to show how dense Brum is,you can't have it both ways.

Concession accepted.

You can change Manchester's name to Pendleton if you like, but you're still 3rd according to this poll! ;)

You can change Manchester's name to Pendleton if you like, but you're still 3rd according to this poll! ;)
Hey El Potto, unlike yourself I know my city has a shite skyline, hence why I voted Liverpool. Nice one.

Point is, everytime you lot post pictures of Brum, you do it with all the non-central council blocks in view in an attempt to pad out and make the skyline look bulkier. I have to look twice at the comparison pic I posted to work out which one is Birmingham and which one is a shitty council heap.

Jon to compare Pendleton with Birmingham is something only a Mancunian could do. For instance. Birmingham has about 20 towers taller then Pendleton. They are all considerable better then any in Pendleton. Those pictures have been shrunk and enlarged to accomodate a jealous Mancunians needs.

Birmingham city center has very few council towers. And even ones that do make it in to shot, is that a problem. Im pretty sure every city has them. You cant help but feel this is a lame duck attempt by Mancs to get thier way. Its what they do best. If there losing put down others even though they have the exact if not same thing happening to them.

Im pretty sure Pendleton does'nt look like this.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/428129329_bd94c5aafd.jpg?v=0

Jon to compare Pendleton with Birmingham is something only a Mancunian could do. For instance. Birmingham has about 20 towers taller then Pendleton. They are all considerable better then any in Pendleton. Those pictures have been shrunk and enlarged to accomodate a jealous Mancunians needs.
Come now Sim you know I'm just pushing your buttons! :P

It's easy though for each of us to isolate nice looking parts of our skylines, my picture was never meant to be a direct comparison, I was just making a point about the images we all use which include the council blocks in the foreground and suburbs bulking out our 'skylines'.

I'm still of the opinion that Liverpool's present skyline is the most aesthetically pleasing out of those listed though, and I promise you it's nothing to do with 'Manc' jealousy. Aren't we stereotypical mancs supposed to hate scousers more than anything? Make yer mind up!

Hey El Potto, unlike yourself I know my city has a shite skyline, hence why I voted Liverpool. Nice one.

Point is, everytime you lot post pictures of Brum, you do it with all the non-central council blocks in view in an attempt to pad out and make the skyline look bulkier. I have to look twice at the comparison pic I posted to work out which one is Birmingham and which one is a shitty council heap.

Just a friendly bit of banter - don't take things so seriously. :)

don't take things so seriously. :)
I wasn't, actually :D I think these debates are ridiculous, the comparison image was light hearted as well.

I wasn't, actually :D I think these debates are ridiculous, the comparison image was light hearted as well.

Mmm, y'know, I'm actually thinking of changing my name to El Potto! :lol:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8139/scene9vi.jpg

Perhaps our Mancunian friends would like to tell us where this is??

Erm, the Uni district, outside of the city centre, with the view facing the 2 skylines of Salford Quays and Pendleton (twinned with Brum :lol:)

Thanks for that pic FLD, shows how large and dense inner Manchester is. :)

That pic actually reminds me of the landscape of Toronto.

Erm, the Uni district, outside of the city centre, with the view facing the 2 skylines of Salford Quays and Pendleton (twinned with Brum :lol:)

..... well, the picture chosen of Birmingham (again, & this little beauty is always mis-used by Manc forumers!) is actually mostly Edgbaston, with part of the city centre.

Thanks for that pic FLD, shows how large and dense inner Manchester is. :)

Dense & very, very low rise too!

Dense & very, very low rise too!

Not really, very low rise is like two storey houses all the way there, I think this picture shows the way Hulme is developing into a key link between the University District and the future Media Quarter in Salford Quays, and the ever expanding city centre.

Did you take a picture slightly to the right too, to show how far the CIS and Sky Line Central is from the Manchester Business school, and what type of low rise stuff is in the way of them?

:) Jon to compare Pendleton with Birmingham is something only a Mancunian could do. For instance. Birmingham has about 20 towers taller then Pendleton. They are all considerable better then any in Pendleton. Those pictures have been shrunk and enlarged to accomodate a jealous Mancunians needs.

Birmingham city center has very few council towers. And even ones that do make it in to shot, is that a problem. Im pretty sure every city has them. You cant help but feel this is a lame duck attempt by Mancs to get thier way. Its what they do best. If there losing put down others even though they have the exact if not same thing happening to them.

Im pretty sure Pendleton does'nt look like this.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/428129329_bd94c5aafd.jpg?v=0

Pendleton
(Not to be confused with Brum :) )

St Thomas'
http://www.salfordchurch.org/images/stthomas.jpg

http://www.salfordshoppingcity.co.uk/images/marks.jpg

Not everyones cup of tea
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d8/Thorncourtapmts2.JPG/180px-Thorncourtapmts2.JPG

http://www.cyberium.co.uk/parkhistory/images/salford_flats.jpg

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/4267-1/salford-flats-mg3518.jpg

The Crescent

http://k53.pbase.com/v3/13/395713/1/46308460.peelbuilding.jpg

http://www.designcommunity.com/scrapbook/images/1490.jpg

http://www.lang.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~matsuoka/GIF-Man-Salford.jpg

http://www.business.salford.ac.uk/iod/2003/Side%20Peel.jpg

http://www.joyce.whitchurch.btinternet.co.uk/norman/pubs/6.jpg

That pic actually reminds me of the landscape of Toronto.

:hilarious

..... and one more thing our Mancunian friends, you keep posting pictures of Pendlebury in Salford, what about some of your very own Manchester suburbs, like Blackley, Ancoats, Fallowfield, Whalley Range, Gorton, Longsight, Moss Side, Chorlton, etc (they all sound so pretty by the way!) ...... I've searched the internet for some choice images of these wonderful places, but failed to find any ..... they must be stunning?!

..... and one more thing our Mancunian friends, you keep posting pictures of Pendlebury in Salford, what about some of your very own Manchester suburbs, like Blackley, Ancoats, Fallowfield, Whalley Range, Gorton, Longsight, Moss Side, Chorlton, etc (they all sound so pretty by the way!) ...... I've searched the internet for some choice images of these wonderful places, but failed to find any ..... they must be stunning?!

Im sure someone will be along shortly to deal with your request, thank you for your patience

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/12867-2/14DB0706+034.jpg

...... well here is an aerial of the Birmingham suburb of Edgbaston (in the City of Birmingham) Mancunian forumers seem hell bent on comparing Pendlebury in Salford to.

Does the "City" of Manchester have any such suburb to compare with this????

Bill Clinton stayed in the hotel on the bottom right of this picture, btw!

But Bill Clinton poked Monica Lewinsky, and she ain't that hot.

I know ..... & he stayed at the "Swallow" Hotel in Edgbaston too, which our local media found most amusing!!!!! What a mistake by his aides!!

Bill Clinton stayed in the hotel on the bottom right of this picture, btw!

oooooooooooooooo :banana:

Did I ever tell the forum about the time Jimmy Saville slept on my nanas kitchen floor back in the 60's?

No one been passed with those Ancoats pictures yet? I dont know, Mancs eh

This is a ludicrous conversation.

I voted Liverpool because the new Architecture alongside the Three Graces provides a beatiful & stunning mix. Manchester is getting there, and what's happening in Manchester is exciting as well, but De Livio's picture of Leeds whas it? was very lowrise, and not how I remember Leeds at all. If he could post a picture of new developments in Leeds or a better skyline picture I might change my opinion. Birmingham looks great but could do with better clustering, and Glasgow City centre looks fantastic as it is, buit all I have seen are proposals on the skyline front.

I apologise about the Leeds picture, I only took a quick glance at it and now realise the photo was taken from a height. (I'm Tired!)
The clustering looks stunning and It would be great if someone could post a picture of the skyline from the canal or City Centre.
My memory was walking around the City Centre in the late 90's and it was a very impressive and massive City. I know a lot has been built since then, but it was that experience that got me into wanting to see other huge Cities as well, so that is my compliment to Leeds.

But Bill Clinton poked Monica Lewinsky, and she ain't that hot.

Ah come on Bio, We've all poked a fat bird in out time! LOL. Even if some of us won't admit it:lol:

http://monica-lewinsky-news.newslib.com/img/logo/1253.jpg

When I think of some of the rubbish I've been courtin'...

:hilarious

If you had been, you would know what I'm talking about.

You global traveller you.....and yet you can't get your arse into Brum to level out your out-dated opinion.

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/12867-2/14DB0706+034.jpg

...... well here is an aerial of the Birmingham suburb of Edgbaston (in the City of Birmingham) Mancunian forumers seem hell bent on comparing Pendlebury in Salford to.

Does the "City" of Manchester have any such suburb to compare with this????

Bill Clinton stayed in the hotel on the bottom right of this picture, btw!

Thankfully no. We got rid of our concrete towers (Hulme) decades ago. However, we've still got the Mancunian Way flyover, but it's nothing compared to Edgbastons tree lined boulevards visible in that picture. :naughty:

It's a hard choice, but the addition of the railway track swings it for me. Castlefield it is then. :)

PS. Don't forget, Beetham and the GN would now be in that picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/cas.jpg

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/12867-2/14DB0706+034.jpg

c'mon guys. Stop putting up really shitty pictures of your burghs.... they only show just how bad most British cities are when compared to most other places in the world..... if we're making serious claims and stating honest aspirations for them!

How about, we all zip it, and close threads like this? Its actually embarrassing a group of grown men get off on and argue about skylines like this.

Whether skylines are the actual subject, which most of the time they are not, the debate has lost any (if it even had any in the first place) serious point of discussion. Its verging on pathetic, I for one strayed away after a while and I can honestly say I was involved within the silly tit for tat slanging matches to begin with.

I now realize its sad, oh so sad, very sad now, very sad...
Moderators should start deleting threads like this so the forums can regain a little of its credibility!

How about, we all zip it, and close threads like this? Its actually embarrassing a group of grown men get off on and argue about skylines like this.

Whether skylines are the actual subject, which most of the time they are not, the debate has lost any (if it even had any in the first place) serious point of discussion. Its verging on pathetic, I for one strayed away after a while and I can honestly say I was involved within the silly tit for tat slanging matches to begin with.

I now realize its sad, oh so sad, very sad now, very sad...
Moderators should start deleting threads like this so the forums can regain a little of its credibility!

It's called topical discussion Manc Guy. Since when have you suddenly turned PC and ultra Conservative? :lol:

You global traveller you.....and yet you can't get your arse into Brum to level out your out-dated opinion.

Thanks to SimLim posting endless streams of pictures from picturesofbirmingham.co.uk, I feel like I've been there several times.

Pow! Uppercut! Have this, courtesy of Prestwich Red! :cheers:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n81/originalscarletturkey/mcrpano.jpg

is that pendelbury? :lol:

I see Guatemala city may be coming up on the rails!

Well, it does include the only skyscraper you can see from liverpool! :lol:

Does it? :?

LoL... good one. You can see Blackpool tower from North Liverpool though!

I think Mancs Beetham Twr is really great. I did notice that Beetham west is adding to Liverpool's far distant skyline.... it sticks out a mile as seen from Prescot, which is about 8 miles from downtown and the waterfront.... when nothing else has done this for thirty years.

Someone said it.. I can't remember where now, but Liverpool's skyline is too one dimensional and only eally good from the river... we need more depth.

Well, blackpool is an observation tower, so that's another story!

And you'll be able to see Beetham from your midrises i'm sure! All our cities need more depth, Manc's got a fab cluster around city tower, but then it has a few stand alones!

It's called topical discussion Manc Guy. Since when have you suddenly turned PC and ultra Conservative? :lol:

Moment of clarity. I mean just read the posts, its so, so silly :lol: I'm not the best example in taking the moral high ground, but seriously, we need to get a bleeding grip! If threads cant stick to a topic, without descending into fobbing each other off every over page, they should be deleted!

My skylines going to be better than yours look, yours looks like beuruit, so ner. I hate Manchester! Well I dislike Liverpool, so ner. Well your a knob for that then. My god! Children or men?

But its fun though.

oh is it? :ohno:

Yes. Yes it is.

Pic by Smileyface

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Tower%20Blocks%205/birmingham1stApril2007110.jpg

I have to admit, the towers between the Sentinels and Cumberland House need to go! At least they'll be blocked out by Broad Street Tower when it's built.

As does that hotel, I think its the Travelodge on Broad Street.

Yep, that's a real heap of shit!

It's a nice photograph but most of the towers need some serious attention.

Split the image down the vertical centre. The buildings on the left are fine, I say. It's the right side that's in need of the help.

I think the Jury's Inn Hotel (stripy concreate, v. 70s in the middle of the picture) looks great. Very period, but in a good way.

Travelodge needs blowing up.

Jurys does look very american, like a 60's las vegas hotel!

Its not in the picture, but I am curious... when I first joined this forum, there was a mid-highrise curvy hotel that was due to be reclad and had a concrete facade, any pics of it now?

I can't think of any :?

I can't think of any midrise hotels... Travellodge, Radisson, Brittania, Grand Hotel, Marriott... Ooh would it by the Hagley Road Thistle Hotel by any chance?

Leeds dusk.
http://i11.************/33lf6ug.jpg

Look at that building with 2 huge spires, it's taller than BWP! :lol:

thats probably to do with distance lol, anyway isnt a tv tower the tallest in the uk anyway :)

1) That picture is bad
2) Emley Moor in West Yorkshire

1) That picture is bad
2) Emley Moor in West Yorkshire

Yep, you're right on both counts there. The picture is particularly bad, and Emley Moor Transmitter is the tallest freestanding structure in the UK, and 330m. Taller than the Shard when/if it gets built. (Hope to goodness it does!!!)

Subliving.

Then again, the brum towers wouldnt need any sprucing up if they'd hurry up and build some taller towers, then they'd start to intergrate into the skyline better.. and after looking at the other pics like that on the previous page they're not a bad bunch really compared to most places in the UK.. Better than the likes of Portland and North Tower in Manc/Salford

Look at that building with 2 huge spires, it's taller than BWP! :lol:

:lol: It's some fucker with his CB rack still on the go... breaker, breaker; anyone receiving...Over...

Nobody has responded in 20 years...

heres a really cool image of manchesters present skyline, its not quite a skyline, but its just above from a skyline!http://www.eyeonmanchester.com/bg/01.jpg

Looks like words to me. :nuts:

Looks like words to me. :nuts:

yeah, sorry about dat, ive edited it now! ^^

Nice, like Aidan's that one!

Nice, like Aidan's that one!

yeah, i got it off some website, not sure now! LOL

I'm most looking forward to the view of Manchester from the Barton high level bridge in a five years or so time. Drove through the city centre this morning actually, Beethams still the shit everytime I see it ( circa 30 times now lol ).

I'm most looking forward to the view of Manchester from the Barton high level bridge in a five years or so time. Drove through the city centre this morning actually, Beethams still the shit everytime I see it ( circa 30 times now lol ).

i no, beetham is so ugly! luckily it wont be tallest for long!

^^When he says 'the shit', he means 'the best'.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n81/originalscarletturkey/pano3.jpg

Nice one Prestwich Red!

heres a really cool image of manchesters present skyline, its not quite a skyline, but its just above from a skyline!http://www.eyeonmanchester.com/bg/01.jpg

:cheers1: Awsome picture.

I think its about time the British film/TV industry based a few major flicks out side the capital, or at least featured Brum and Manc (and other's)in all they're glory. Showing them off to the world.

It annoy's me a little that so many Brits can name major US cities by the skyline and certain buildings, but dont know what most UK cities even looklike.

:cheers1: Awsome picture.

I think its about time the British film/TV industry based a few major flicks out side the capital, or at least featured Brum and Manc (and other's)in all they're glory. Showing them off to the world.

It annoy's me a little that so many Brits can name major US cities by the skyline and certain buildings, but dont know what most UK cities even looklike.

Thanx, i just got it off a website or somet, but it is a really kwl image! LOL

York

York!? York has a pathetic skyline. Comprised of York Minster (great building, but its one building..) and a cheap knock off wheel. Other than that, York doesnt have a skyline!

But it's York Minster that stands proud over the ancient city walls. What about Clifford's Tower? Built by William the Conquerer on a hill to fend off anyone who even dared to try and invad Yorke.

Yeah but you cant see Cliffords Tower on the skyline, or the City Walls. You can only see them when you're practically next to them.

Yeah but seeing York Minster peering over the trees and walls, especially on a misty day, makes me feel how great it must have been hundreds of years ago when travelling via horse to see York Minster for the very first time. Must have been something very special indeed.

In 200 years, people might be saying "seeing the skyscrapers of Leeds peering over the hills makes me feel how great it must have been hundreds of years ago when travelling by car to see Leeds' skyscrapers for the very first time"

I wouldn't know, haven't been to Leeds in years. I plan to go to Liverpool, Manchester, & Leeds sometime this year. I'd rather make up my mind through personal experience then vote, rather than decide through photo's.
I remember being really impressed with Leeds, and everywhere being really big, but I know a lot has been built since then.

In 200 years, people might be saying "seeing the skyscrapers of Leeds peering over the hills makes me feel how great it must have been hundreds of years ago when travelling by car to see Leeds' skyscrapers for the very first time"

LOL!!!:lol:

:cheers1: Awsome picture.

I think its about time the British film/TV industry based a few major flicks out side the capital, or at least featured Brum and Manc (and other's)in all they're glory. Showing them off to the world.

It annoy's me a little that so many Brits can name major US cities by the skyline and certain buildings, but dont know what most UK cities even looklike.

you are getting this right now.. with many series being based in manc.. and you can tell how unreal it all is..... Do manc or Brum really have soul?

Thanx, i just got it off a website or somet, but it is a really kwl image! LOL

for TV shows, manchester doesnt do bad! we've got Coranation street, New Street Law and dat other one which is exactly like Dr Who, but i see where ur comin from, most movies and programmes r set in London, but with the media city coming 2 Salford Quays, all that will change!!!!!:banana:

for TV shows, manchester doesnt do bad! we've got Coranation street, New Street Law and dat other one which is exactly like Dr Who, but i see where ur comin from, most movies and programmes r set in London, but with the media city coming 2 Salford Quays, all that will change!!!!!:banana:

Reason why more movies are shot in London is because it is more recognizable as an international city.

Reason why more movies are shot in London is because it is more recognizable as an international city.

Or is the reason why London is a more recogniszble international city is because more movies are shot there?

They go hand in hand. If a whole bunch of blockbuster movies were set in Birmingham it would become more recognisable internationally.

http://www.glasgowfilm.com/default.asp

Glasgow has a fairly active film industry and is considered the only alternative to London for large scale productions. The city also features in many adverts, vodafone, Sony, Carling, Merceds Benz. Jet Li's Unleashed was probably the last notable film filmed here. Glasgow has been used as a double for past and present New York and Iraq ( lol ). Twenty films made here in the last three years as well as Trainspotting ( another stunning showcase for the city ) and Shallow Grave.

The NEC must do a lot to promote Birmingham worldwide. It hosts some truly huge significant events, the Spring and Autumn fairs for example. Crufts ( dont laugh ) is also a worldwide event.

Film-wise, Birmingham is starting to creep up. It's media area was almost non-existent 10 years ago but with the establishment of the Custard Factory, many independents are moving to the area.

There's talk that a book called the Last Viking which is set in Birmingham is to be turned into a film which would be great in promoting the city. There are some local directors too. There's one film where a man is chased through Victoria Square by a werewolf; I think it's called Lycanthropy.

Someone showed us the trailer to a 14 minute powerful drama set in Birmingham which looks quite interesting.

The NEC must do a lot to promote Birmingham worldwide. It hosts some truly huge significant events, the Spring and Autumn fairs for example. Crufts ( dont laugh ) is also a worldwide event.

problem with Birmingham is that it doesn't know how to promote itself, it needs a new publicity machine.

Or is the reason why London is a more recogniszble international city is because more movies are shot there?


i disagree

The NEC must do a lot to promote Birmingham worldwide. It hosts some truly huge significant events, the Spring and Autumn fairs for example. Crufts ( dont laugh ) is also a worldwide event.

I agree - the NEC is the single biggest asset this city has and we don't use its brand enough.

problem with Birmingham is that it doesn't know how to promote itself, it needs a new publicity machine.

Again, absolutely right.

problem with Birmingham is that it doesn't know how to promote itself, it needs a new publicity machine.

Agreed, but I'd make two points...

1) There is probably more negative press about Birmingham, for no good reason, than most other UK cities (eg concerning accent, architecture, culture - plus other imagined deficiencies).

2) Birmingham's problem, IMHO, is not so much that it doesn't know how to promote itself, but that it doesn't know how to promote itself IN THE LIGHT of the ridiculous and unfounded negative press it gets.
Firstly, it has to battle to get exposure, and secondly it must fight to undo the damage done by ignorant journalists and programme makers.

Agreed, but I'd make two points...

1) There is probably more negative press about Birmingham, for no good reason, than most other UK cities (eg concerning accent, architecture, culture - plus other imagined deficiencies).

2) Birmingham's problem, IMHO, is not so much that it doesn't know how to promote itself, but that it doesn't know how to promote itself IN THE LIGHT of the ridiculous and unfounded negative press it gets.
Firstly, it has to battle to get exposure, and secondly it must fight to undo the damage done by ignorant journalists and programme makers.

mmm.. that is an excellent post for such few words. :)

mmm.. that is an excellent post for such few words. :)

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"You have passed the test"!

Agreed, but I'd make two points...

1) There is probably more negative press about Birmingham, for no good reason, than most other UK cities (eg concerning accent, architecture, culture - plus other imagined deficiencies).

2) Birmingham's problem, IMHO, is not so much that it doesn't know how to promote itself, but that it doesn't know how to promote itself IN THE LIGHT of the ridiculous and unfounded negative press it gets.
Firstly, it has to battle to get exposure, and secondly it must fight to undo the damage done by ignorant journalists and programme makers.

This is what makes it such good fun showing people around our city though. I had some friends over from the USA & Germany a couple of years ago, who were expecting an extremely grim experience.

After a day of sightseeing with them, they were left "speachless", at what a fantastic city it has become. Manchester, on the other hand has had so much promotion over recent years, that the experience there IMHO, does not live up to the hype ....... fine city, but not as great as it is made out to be.

This is what makes it such good fun showing people around our city though. I had some friends over from the USA & Germany a couple of years ago, who were expecting an extremely grim experience.

After a day of sightseeing with them, they were left "speachless", at what a fantastic city it has become. Manchester, on the other hand has had so much promotion over recent years, that the experience there IMHO, does not live up to the hype ....... fine city, but not as great as it is made out to be.

Sounds a bit like Sheffield. People always expect it to be some grim run down industrial town, and they always go away stunned.

Brum easilly

Sounds a bit like Sheffield. People always expect it to be some grim run down industrial town, and they always go away stunned.

Sheffield is great, it is Yorkshires sleeping, no, awakening giant! It reminds me of Birmingham in the mid 1980's when places like Symphony Hall, the National Indoor Arena, Brindleyplace, the International Convention Centre & the Hyatt Hotel were all about to be started .... they were exciting times! Sheffield has the potential to surpass Leeds in all areas.

Btw, is your avatar the building opposite the John Hancock Center in Chicago? If it is, Oprah Winfrey lives there!

A Grendel production.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u276/72bluebus/april07.jpg

And this was found by van heckler. Even if you have Birmingham, you've got to say that this picture is fantastic.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/187/455328692_505cd9de10_b.jpg

Sheffield is great, it is Yorkshires sleeping, no, awakening giant! It reminds me of Birmingham in the mid 1980's when places like Symphony Hall, the National Indoor Arena, Brindleyplace, the International Convention Centre & the Hyatt Hotel were all about to be started .... they were exciting times! Sheffield has the potential to surpass Leeds in all areas.



a mate of mine from sheffield has always said that meadowhall was the worst thing that ever happened to the city centre, literally within a year of its opening all life was sucked out of it. Only now is it getting back what it once had.

Those are great pics of Birmingham, the Rotunda is the dogs isn't it.

a mate of mine from sheffield has always said that meadowhall was the worst thing that ever happened to the city centre, literally within a year of its opening all life was sucked out of it. Only now is it getting back what it once had.

To be honest, the city centre wasn't that great to start with. In that context, it was all but impossible to resist Meadowhall's pull, and by about 1994, Sheffield city centre really was in danger of disappearing down the toilet. Truly, things looked grim.

Fortunately, steps have been taken to turn things around, and they're working. Getting back what it once had should not be Sheffield's mission; it should be after far more than that. Which I think it is.

Sheffield is great, it is Yorkshires sleeping, no, awakening giant! It reminds me of Birmingham in the mid 1980's when places like Symphony Hall, the National Indoor Arena, Brindleyplace, the International Convention Centre & the Hyatt Hotel were all about to be started .... they were exciting times! Sheffield has the potential to surpass Leeds in all areas.

Btw, is your avatar the building opposite the John Hancock Center in Chicago? If it is, Oprah Winfrey lives there!

Completely agree with that. :-P

Not sure about the building. It was just one of the avatars avaliable.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u276/72bluebus/april07.jpg

But surely there are too many council blocks in view for this to be a good picture(!)

a mate of mine from sheffield has always said that meadowhall was the worst thing that ever happened to the city centre, literally within a year of its opening all life was sucked out of it. Only now is it getting back what it once had.


In the long term, and the way in which major retail has stultified most of our downtown areas I would say that it did Sheffield a favour. There is much more choice, independents etc in Sheffield city centre than other cities now.

Also, for Brums skyline, those council blocks are obviously in the central area so should not detract from the overall value of the skyline... I think they're great.

v-tower is going to look so tall on the ridge next to alpha

In the long term, and the way in which major retail has stultified most of our downtown areas I would say that it did Sheffield a favour. There is much more choice, independents etc in Sheffield city centre than other cities now.

If you call Pound Shops independant. :lol:

v-tower is going to look so tall of that ridge next to alpha

It will look quite stubby once Dandara and co get thier way - or shall I say block the view of one of thier other towers.

I was told GVA Grimley owned Alpha Tower? :dunno:

If you call Pound Shops independant. :lol:


I take your point, but the growing independents (some of them may be the national but Sheffield based chain stores of the future) are not being crucified by an over proponderence of the nationals as happens in other cities? Long term the potential is quite considerable for home based growth.... and not suffering the 'anywheretown' landscape as meadowhall has all the usual 'anchors'.

It bodes well for the future of Sheffield retail.

Independant stores make up a shopping experiance, cities such as Bath (which is mostly independants) and the arcades in Cardiff are some of the nicest places to shop. If Sheffield can improve the quality and number of independant shops, then it wouls be able to compete against the bigger shopping cetners in the area IMO

Just thought I'd post this here too - not saying it's gonna win any awards but it's a good view of Snow Hill going up
and is one of the closer vantage points for Birmingham (about 3 and a half miles I'd guess) - also interesting from a perspective
point of view as the road falls away

Oh and this is Bearwood...

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