My friends in Israel,

I just want you to know that most of America is with you 100 percent.
You are in the right by defending yourself from these killers that hide behind their women and children; they are sub humans cowards!

Hang tough, keep your spirits up and remember, Good always wins over Evil.
As far as Europe goes, they're useless! they can't even fight themselves out of a wet paper bag and that's if they want to even fight..
They always have the white flag in their back pocket at all times.


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BULLSHIT

i live in america and i live in texas and i dont kno nobody that stands with israel. and i doubt ur even american since why would anyone register and this be their first post?
ur prolly an israeli or a jew trying to make ur friends feel better

I live in Texas and I know a lot of people who support Israel.

Why should Americans stand with Israel? Israel has given America nothing but grief.

This is bullshit propaganda. Of course the Jews run American media so there are plenty of stupid Americans who buy into their lies. Israel is no friend, it is a liability. The Twin Towers would never have been attacked if it wasn't for Israel.

Israel costs us tax payers a lot of money , I rather see that money spent on Katrina victims then bombs which are dropped on innocent people , we should adopt a fair policy in the Middle East and stop it with the double standards.

The US is probably the only ally that Israel has got. The people are pretty brainwashed by the Jewish-owned media so no surprise there.

I don't care if some Americans don't stand with Israel. In the end it's your choice, that's why many Americans have done the wise decision to support Israel.

Israel costs us tax payers a lot of money , I rather see that money spent on Katrina victims then bombs which are dropped on innocent people , we should adopt a fair policy in the Middle East and stop it with the double standards.

Yes, each Israeli gets about the equivalent of $800 a year from the US govt. American citizens don't even get that much!

Washington DC is Israeli-occupied territory. Ask any of your sellout, corrupt congressmen or senator who runs things, everyone knows AIPAC does, the Israel lobby. They have a stranglehold over our government. And they're selling out America faster than hotcakes. That's why Americans were fooled into the Iraq war, we're still stuck there. We're dying for Israel's aggressions.

Of course, there are plenty of stupid Americans who buy into the idea that Israel is a friend. They just don't get it. Israel has caused the US more harm than Al Qaeda or any Arab. Israel is not America's friend because we both face terrorism, the logic is backward, America is facing terrorism precisely because Israel is our "friend". And they're no good friend either, their record on human rights is abysmal, our reputation is tainted by being associated with them.

But the media machine goes on and on... the general American populace is still too blind to wake up. Israel is NO FRIEND.

I don't care if some Americans don't stand with Israel. In the end it's your choice, that's why many Americans have done the wise decision to support Israel.

Wake up. Stop being a drone. You're being led to your death like a lemming and don't even know it. Don't you know who pulls the strings in the govt. and media? WAKE UP goddamnit.

Yes, each Israeli gets about the equivalent of $800 a year from the US govt. American citizens don't even get that much!

Washington DC is Israeli-occupied territory. Ask any of your sellout, corrupt congressmen or senator who runs things, everyone knows AIPAC does, the Israel lobby. They have a stranglehold over our government. And they're selling out America faster than hotcakes. That's why Americans were fooled into the Iraq war, we're still stuck there. We're dying for Israel's aggressions.

Of course, there are plenty of stupid Americans who buy into the idea that Israel is a friend. They just don't get it. Israel has caused the US more harm than Al Qaeda or any Arab. Israel is not America's friend because we both face terrorism, the logic is backward, America is facing terrorism precisely because Israel is our "friend". And they're no good friend either, their record on human rights is abysmal, our reputation is tainted by being associated with them.

But the media machine goes on and on... the general American populace is still too blind to wake up. Israel is NO FRIEND.
Yes I agree with everything you said . When those planes crashed into the twin tower buildings a lot of American kept asking why do they hate us? I knew why and I hoped that people would begin to know too but sadly that’s not the case. Our money keep going to the Israelis and most of us don’t even know it , its time to clean up cities like Baltimore , New Orleans , Detroit , with the money we are sending Israel you know how many homeless people we could get off the streets, how many new schools we can open.

^^^^@Obtuse... I tell you the samething but without the last word.

^^^^@Obtuse... I tell you the samething but without the last word.
It's obvious you're not very aware.

But what are you going to tell me? That I'm brainwashed by the media and govt? That the Arabs run the media and govt. and they are brainwashing me with their views?

Can't you see the troubles we are getting into in the Middle East are of no rational interest to the US? We are fighting Israel's wars, why can't you realize that? Who do you think runs CNN, FOX, MSNBC and everywhere else you get your damn news? You think Jews would tell you the Palestinian side, or tell you about Israel's war crimes?

WAKE UP! Your naivety is the problem with Americans supporting Israel. You just don't know.

Thank God I don't live in America and be subjected to the bs media.

Well this thread is proof enough that the US people are divided about this issue which i am thankful for,cause not all Americans are brainwashed by their media.

I dont see how Israel is an ally when it spies on the US and costs it billions of dollars per year and does nothing but get it into trouble in the ME along with having to control their dirty politicians.

I'm sorry obtuse..., but you are probably watching other kind of media. I watched CNN everyday just to hear that Israel has killed a certain number of children in the last 24 hours. After that, you then listen that terrorists keep launching missiles and nothing else. Are you watching CMM, if you do, who's your cable provider? Seriously I really want to see the media supporting Israel.

Well this thread is proof enough that the US people are divided about this issue which i am thankful for,cause not all Americans are brainwashed by their media.

I dont see how Israel is an ally when it spies on the US and costs it billions of dollars per year and does nothing but get it into trouble in the ME along with having to control their dirty politicians.


I dont think this board is representative.

50% are brainwashed to be extremely pro-Israel

About 40% are not ware at all that other countries in the world exist. The USA is the world to them. They wouldn't know much about Israel, and frankly they wouldn't matter much. These people are typical not educated, poor or lower middle class and since the govt. is controlled by rich special interest groups, their voice doesn't count. But most don't have strong opinions anyways about the Middle East except the evil Arabs are trying to get us, so it doesn't matter.

About 5% are aware that US policy is fucked up and thinks the US needs to balance it.

About 5% or less realizes that US policy is fucked up precisely because the govt and media is controlled by AIPAC, the Israel lobby and their ally the Christian Zionist fundamentalists. We know that Israel and their allies who control the US are leading the US into disaster and there is nothing we can do about it.

I'm sorry obtuse..., but you are probably watching other kind of media. I watched CNN everyday just to hear that Israel has killed a certain number of children in the last 24 hours. After that, you then listen that terrorists keep launching missiles and nothing else. Are you watching CMM, if you do, who's your cable provider? Seriously I really want to see the media supporting Israel.
Are you serious? CNN is completely biased for Israel like other US media. Of course they report that Israel has killed civilians because guess what? Israel HAS MURDERED civilians, hundreds of them.

But then they twist it and they tell you that Israel killed civilians BECAUSE the Hezbollah were hiding with the civilians. So then Americans think that Israel wouldn't do that on purpose and in the end, it's Hezbollah's fault.

Do you even know why Hezbollah exists? They were a resistance group that formed out of Israel's brutal occupation of Lebanon more than 25 years ago. Hezbollah IS the people of Lebanon, they have mass support. If your home and your family were killed by a foreign army, wouldn't you pick up a gun to defend youself? Of course if you did, Israel and the US govt. would just call you a terrorist.

I'm sorry obtuse..., but you are probably watching other kind of media. I watched CNN everyday just to hear that Israel has killed a certain number of children in the last 24 hours. After that, you then listen that terrorists keep launching missiles and nothing else. Are you watching CMM, if you do, who's your cable provider? Seriously I really want to see the media supporting Israel.
The Media is pro-Israeli , that the truth . Why do guys like Bill Orily and Chris Tucker always have a pro-Israeli stance ? They are commentators they should be neutral , I never seen a commentator on the three major news networks ( CNN, FOX, MSNBC ) be pro- Palestinian and nor do I want to see that, I want to see people who are neutral and deliver unbiased news and information like the BBC , SKY NEWS , EURO NEWS.

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"Jewish owned Media"

"Zionist conspircay"

"Israel in America's pocket"

The only people that believe these crack-pot theories are from outside the US, or neo-Nazis in Texas. I for one have seem democrats and republicans send Israel their highest praises. From Hillary to Frist.

I support Israel and the Lebanese people. And so does the majority of this country (excluding the neo-Nazis in Texas, and Mel Gibson).

I'm not a Neo-Nazi, in fact, I'm not even a White American. I'm not Middle Eastern either. I am just educated about the facts.

I used to be brainwashed as well, until I became more educated and also travelled to Israel and Palestinian territories and found out the truth about the situation.

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"Jewish owned Media"

"Zionist conspircay"

"Israel in America's pocket"

The only people that believe these crack-pot theories are from outside the US, or neo-Nazis in Texas. I for one have seem democrats and republicans send Israel their highest praises. From Hillary to Frist.

I support Israel and the Lebanese people. And so does the majority of this country (excluding the neo-Nazis in Texas, and Mel Gibson).
And the only people who don't believe it are brainwashed fools.

I'm not a Neo-Nazi, in fact, I'm not even a White American. I'm not Middle Eastern either. I am just educated about the facts.

I used to be brainwashed as well, until I became more educated and also travelled to Israel and Palestinian territories and found out the truth about the situation.

Was I talking to you?

And good for you. Im sure Israel is lovely this time of year. To bad you have to duck and cover missles every five minutes.

And the only people who don't believe it are brainwashed fools.

No, they're just dumb?




No, every prespective has to be looked at, as we all know. But the US perspective isn't from the "jewish owned media" or the "zionist conspiracy" but rather from their interpetation of the facts.

The only people that believe these crack-pot theories are from outside the US, or neo-Nazis in Texas. I for one have seem democrats and republicans send Israel their highest praises. From Hillary to Frist.

Actually, a lot of Americans do think jews control the media(or everything else). But they are either joking or they retarded.

Well, hwo about if you were a Palestinian.

Let's see, you cannot even leave your town without permission from Israel. Many have not left in 5 years.

You are constantly on the watch out for Israeli bombs.

30 Palestinian civilians are killed for every Israeli civilian killed.

You cannot even work because you need work permits from Israel, plus the economy is destroyed.

You cannot even go visit your brother who lives ten miles away because Israel won't give you a permit, even if it did, you'd have to wait 8 hours by the roadblock to even cross.

Oh, you have to pay three times the amount of water Israeli settlers have to pay, plus you are rationed water whereas they can use as much as they want to water their lawns.

You can only ride in vehicles on Palestinian roads which are run down, you cannot even be on a vehicle on a Jewish only road which is built very nicely.

Your town is surrounded by demolished roads, a 30 feet tall concrete, iron wall, basically you are living in a walled ghetto.

And of course, Israel is raining bombs on you daily.

If you want to talk about bombs. Look at the number of Israelis killed and the number of Lebanese and Palestinians killed.

30 Israelis have been killed.

Over 200 Palestinians killed in the latest fighting.

Over 500 Lebanese killed. Which side is raining more bombs? Which side has the hi-tech fighter and bomber plans and tanks?

I would like to point out to the recent study about Israel Lobby in America by two very well respected scholars.Read that before claiming that the AIPAC doesnt have every politician by you know what..

Also nobody that goes to Palestine and comes backs does so with the same views about Israel and the struggle there..

Actually, a lot of Americans do think jews control the media(or everything else). But they are either joking or they retarded.

True, but define "a lot". And even if the media was under the foot of the jews, they sure aren't doing a good job defending themselves.

No, they're just dumb?




No, every prespective has to be looked at, as we all know. But the US perspective isn't from the "jewish owned media" or the "zionist conspiracy" but rather from their interpetation of the facts.


If the media and govt. wasn't controlled by the Israel lobby, please explain why the US middle east policy is completely against our national interests?

I would like to point out to the recent study about Israel Lobby in America by two very well respected scholars.Read that before claiming that the AIPAC doesnt have every politician by you know what..

Also nobody that goes to Palestine and comes backs does so with the same views about Israel and the struggle there..
of course, because what you see on the ground is the complete opposite of what the American media tells you.

It is shocking how Israel has treated the Palestinians. No AMerican can live one day as a Palestinian. They are treated like animals.

If an American goes see how the Palestinians are treated, they will never trust their corrupt govt. again.

Well, hwo about if you were a Palestinian.

Let's see, you cannot even leave your town without permission from Israel. Many have not left in 5 years.

You are constantly on the watch out for Israeli bombs.

30 Palestinian civilians are killed for every Israeli civilian killed.

You cannot even work because you need work permits from Israel, plus the economy is destroyed.

You cannot even go visit your brother who lives ten miles away because Israel won't give you a permit, even if it did, you'd have to wait 8 hours by the roadblock to even cross.

Oh, you have to pay three times the amount of water Israeli settlers have to pay, plus you are rationed water whereas they can use as much as they want to water their lawns.

You can only ride in vehicles on Palestinian roads which are run down, you cannot even be on a vehicle on a Jewish only road which is built very nicely.

Your town is surrounded by demolished roads, a 30 feet tall concrete, iron wall, basically you are living in a walled ghetto.

And of course, Israel is raining bombs on you daily.

If you want to talk about bombs. Look at the number of Israelis killed and the number of Lebanese and Palestinians killed.

30 Israelis have been killed.

Over 200 Palestinians killed in the latest fighting.

Over 500 Lebanese killed. Which side is raining more bombs? Which side has the hi-tech fighter and bomber plans and tanks?

And none of that would be the case if their leaders would have accepted plans for a Palestinian state, of which they had multiple chances to do so.

Also, this wouldn't be the case if Palestinians wouldn't bomb children on school buses or blow up mothers in pizzarias.

The sides may seem tilted in the case of civillian deaths, but who says that in war you need to have an equal number of dead in order for it to be fair? Or that if you have more dead, you must be the victim?

I can see why Palestinians have strong dislikes of Israel, but for heveans sake, they must have been strong reasons for Israel to implement such actions against them.

It's pointless to discuss something that has been discussed too many times already. You guys(supporters of terrorists) keep thinking your way. I was just stating that I, as an American support Israel without a doubt. Israel has the right to defend itself. Like someone said, "Don't be suprise when the one that you just attacked fights back"

Just to let you know Obtuse, Arabs are not the only ones who hate United States. America knows terrorism since Sept. 11th of 2001, but they have to learn that it all started way before that.

If the media and govt. wasn't controlled by the Israel lobby, please explain why the US middle east policy is completely against our national interests?

Maybe because we have been standing with Israel since the start of their exsistance as a state, and reguardless of our intrests we must keep that in mind?

Give me a fucking break.

For decades, the Palestinians never committed terrorism. But they have suffered terrorism from the Israelis in the form of Haganah, the Stern Gang, Irgun.

Then there was the occupation. They were forced out of their homes, live in confinement, lived like animals in a pen.

The occupied lands are cosntantly being taken by expanding settlements. The Israeli settlers act like terrorists against the Palestinians, the Palesitnians live in terror.

And all this while, Israeli politicans joke around about peace, but they expand settlements and tighten their grip on Palestinians on the ground. Americans are fooled by their words, but are blind to their actions.

And you say the Palestinian leaders are at fault.

Man, you need to wake up brother. Wake up.

It's pointless to discuss something that has been discussed too many times already. You guys(supporters of terrorists) keep thinking your way. I was just stating that I, as an American support Israel without a doubt. Israel has the right to defend itself. Like someone said, "Don't be suprise when the one that you just attacked fights back"

Just to let you know Obtuse, Arabs are not the only ones who hate United States. America knows terrorism since Sept. 11th of 2001, but they have to learn that it all started way before that.

Yeah, it started in the early 20th century when Haganah, Irgun and the Stern Gang use to torch Palestinian homes and shoot the children as they ran out. That's where the terrorism started. At the time, Palestinians were farmers and didn't know better. Where do you think Hamas learned that terrorism works? Beause the Israelis were so good at it.

Maybe because we have been standing with Israel since the start of their exsistance as a state, and reguardless of our intrests we must keep that in mind?


Yeah, and what other "friend" deserves that kind of treatment?

The US has used and betrayed many friends according to our interests. Why is it with Israel, we are willing tos acrifice our national interests to be their "friends"?

Ask your local congressman. They'll tell you who runs the show. The second they criticize Israel, they know whose coming to make sure they do not win their next election.

It's pointless to discuss something that has been discussed too many times already. You guys(supporters of terrorists) keep thinking your way. I was just stating that I, as an American support Israel without a doubt. Israel has the right to defend itself. Like someone said, "Don't be suprise when the one that you just attacked fights back"

Just to let you know Obtuse, Arabs are not the only ones who hate United States. America knows terrorism since Sept. 11th of 2001, but they have to learn that it all started way before that.
According to you anyone who doesn’t agree with Israel is a terrorist , is this what you call a Democracy ? I thank god everyday that we have the electoral system so that idiots like you never become the president.

Give me a fucking break.

For decades, the Palestinians never committed terrorism. But they have suffered terrorism from the Israelis in the form of Haganah, the Stern Gang, Irgun.

Then there was the occupation. They were forced out of their homes, live in confinement, lived like animals in a pen.

The occupied lands are cosntantly being taken by expanding settlements. The Israeli settlers act like terrorists against the Palestinians, the Palesitnians live in terror.

And all this while, Israeli politicans joke around about peace, but they expand settlements and tighten their grip on Palestinians on the ground. Americans are fooled by their words, but are blind to their actions.

And you say the Palestinian leaders are at fault.

Man, you need to wake up brother. Wake up.

Don't call me brother, that would be a shame to me. :|

Palestinians have a right to success, a state and an equal exsistance on this Earth. Israel also has these rights. I guess our perspectives are to different and debating would be...unproductive.

In other words..."okay, good for you".

Yeah, and what other "friend" deserves that kind of treatment?

The US has used and betrayed many friends according to our interests. Why is it with Israel, we are willing tos acrifice our national interests to be their "friends"?

Ask your local congressman. They'll tell you who runs the show. The second they criticize Israel, they know whose coming to make sure they do not win their next election.

Yes of course, the Zionist-Political-Police, thats who.

Here to keep American politicians in line.

And I guess from the US has 'betrayed' other nations, although I disagree with you on that as well.

The difference between you and me, is that I have seen the reality, and you haven't.

You have nver been to the West Bank or Gaza Strip and seen how Palestinians are suffering. All the while, Israelis have the freedom to live their lives and achieve their dreams, while Palestinians are penned up like animals. They have no rights.

Yes, both Israelis and Palesitnians have the rights to freedom. But as of now, only Israelis enjoy those rights. Palestinians do not enjoy any rights. Their cities are surrounded by Israeli settlements that choke them into a walled ghetto. They have no freedom and they are used as target practice by the IDF.

Why dont you go to the occupied territories and see for yourself, then come back and talk to me. Because as of now, I used to be in your shoes til I saw reality.

Give me a fucking break.

For decades, the Palestinians never committed terrorism. But they have suffered terrorism from the Israelis in the form of Haganah, the Stern Gang, Irgun.

Then there was the occupation. They were forced out of their homes, live in confinement, lived like animals in a pen.

The occupied lands are cosntantly being taken by expanding settlements. The Israeli settlers act like terrorists against the Palestinians, the Palesitnians live in terror.

And all this while, Israeli politicans joke around about peace, but they expand settlements and tighten their grip on Palestinians on the ground. Americans are fooled by their words, but are blind to their actions.

And you say the Palestinian leaders are at fault.

Man, you need to wake up brother. Wake up.
:master: that is so true

The difference between you and me, is that I have seen the reality, and you haven't.

You have nver been to the West Bank or Gaza Strip and seen how Palestinians are suffering. All the while, Israelis have the freedom to live their lives and achieve their dreams, while Palestinians are penned up like animals. They have no rights.

Yes, both Israelis and Palesitnians have the rights to freedom. But as of now, only Israelis enjoy those rights. Palestinians do not enjoy any rights. Their cities are surrounded by Israeli settlements that choke them into a walled ghetto. They have no freedom and they are used as target practice by the IDF.

Why dont you go to the occupied territories and see for yourself, then come back and talk to me. Because as of now, I used to be in your shoes til I saw reality.

I will plan my trip once I am sure I won't get kidnapped by Hamas and used as a political token and possibly killed.

You have to realize that their is a greater reason as to why the Palestinians are in the position that they are in. It wasn't an all of a sudden "hey lets make them miserable and hate us" move from Israel. It was more of a "hey unless you stop killing our children and agree to a state, we need to clamp down on you radicals, and since we can't pinpoint which ones you are since you dress the same and act like civillians, that means all of you. Sorry thats whats going to have to happen."

The difference between you and me is that you have seen the plight...of one side. I have seen the plight from both sides in the news, both of your perssuaion and mine. And by looking at the facts I conclude what I conclude.

I didn't have to be in Auchwitz to know that it was terrible place. But I guess under your logic I should keep my mouth shut?

you're girlie man from Texas! You voted for Kerry....LOLLLLLLLLL and nuts Dr. Dean and Drunk Teddy Kenedy.....

Dude, I live in California and second of all you hate jews...so you're a small minded boy. Grow up, join the marines and be a real man, also try reading a real history book.

Dick....

Still think that I'm not an American!

What do you all think?

America or Not?

Put all your feelings aside and answer the questions for Sean and I.

Thanks

ban this 10 year old.