View Full Version : Tijuana airport wants more San Diego business


Nick in Atlanta
August 5th, 2006, 05:37 AM
Tijuana International Airport's director says the problems that have beset the airport since its privatization seven years ago are being solved and the facility is offering improved service to passengers on both sides of the border.

At a presentation yesterday to the San Diego Regional Chamber of Commerce's Mexico Business Center, Enrique Valle Alvarez, who took charge of Tijuana's airport last year, also expressed interest in cooperating with San Diego on a cross-border terminal that would allow passengers to check in on the U.S. side of the border and proceed across to take flights from Tijuana.

The Tijuana airport and 11 other northwestern Mexican airports were handed over to private operators in 1999. Early this year, the federal government, which previously owned the airports and retained a majority of the shares, relinquished its interest in an initial public offering on the New York Stock Exchange and Mexican Bolsa de Valores.

Mexican corporate interests also replaced Spanish entities in directing the publicly traded operating company, Grupo Aeroportuario del Pacifico, or GAP.

Valle focused yesterday on the improvements that have been completed or undertaken in conjunction with the changes.

He said $6.1 million is being spent on upgrades that include reconfiguring traffic patterns to create a passenger drop-off zone, streamlining passenger check-ins and customs and immigration processing, and installing additional passenger- and baggage-screening equipment.

"Everything is working better right now at the airport," he said.

Three low-cost airlines -- Avolar, Volaris and Alma -- have been added to the five that previously served the facility, and Aerocalifornia, which suspended operations this spring, is resuming service Aug. 11.

The number of destinations within Mexico served from Tijuana has been boosted by six to 26 cities, and a weekly flight leaves for Havana on Saturdays.

More international flights are in the works, Valle said.

Lineas Aereas Azteca will start flights to Oakland this month. "They will have it twice a week, but they don't have the specific days at this time," he said.

AeroMexico is considering offering service on Boeing 777s to Tokyo. The flight, which would originate in Mexico City, is expected to begin next year but "is not a done deal," Valle said.

And, he said, Mexicana is weighing flights to Shanghai, China.

Changes have been instituted that make it easier for San Diego passengers to use the airport.

Several airlines include taxi service from downtown San Diego in the price of their airline tickets, Valle said. There also is shuttle bus service directly to San Diego and several California cities, and negotiations are under way to allow car rentals that permit motorists to drive into the United States.

Valle said a cross-border terminal would better serve U.S. passengers and could double the Tijuana airport's 3.5 million annual passenger load.

The San Diego County Regional Airport Authority has directed its staff to pursue a study that would determine who would use such a terminal and gauge the interest of Otay Mesa property owners in selling their land. The agency sees a cross-border terminal as a way to help relieve Lindbergh Field's congestion but does not view it as the solution to the region's search for a new airport.

"We are very interested in cooperating with the project," Valle said. "The new investors have an interest but I can't speak for them."

Valle said he is in the process of solving problems that arose when GAP took control of the airport.

A dispute that arose when the previous director tried to evict the airport's restaurant and shop operators is almost resolved, he said. Contracts have been signed with 165 of 169 shopkeepers, and four are in litigation.

Airport officials are close to resolving a dispute over payment of municipal land taxes, he said.

Likewise, Valle said, a proposal to let the airport establish secure fences around the perimeter of the airport is being negotiated with Ejido Tampico, the communal group whose land was expropriated nearly four decades ago for the airport site but was never paid.

The compensation issue remains unresolved but is the responsibility of the federal government, which seized the property, and not GAP, he said.

samsonyuen
August 5th, 2006, 03:58 PM
That'd be interesting, a cross-border terminal. Is the airport very close to the border? Still, I think unless it was terribly lower priced, it won't draw many to cross the border for a flight.

jamesinclair
August 5th, 2006, 10:50 PM
That'd be interesting, a cross-border terminal. Is the airport very close to the border? Still, I think unless it was terribly lower priced, it won't draw many to cross the border for a flight.

San Diego Intl is not. However the Tijuana airport is right next to the border.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=32.546234,-116.951008&spn=0.071773,0.161018&t=k&om=1

In that link you cans ee the Tijuana airport, the border, and then Brown Field Municipal Airport.

Nick in Atlanta
August 10th, 2006, 05:56 AM
A Tijuana-San Diego airport would be a great idea, especially since you already have the infrastructure on the Tijuana side. If the runways are on the border then planes could just taxi to or from their own national terminal.

samsonyuen
August 10th, 2006, 08:46 AM
Is there a problem or issue with San Diego International Airport, though? Is it not big enough, or too far from the city?

dl3000
August 10th, 2006, 11:28 PM
Is there a problem or issue with San Diego International Airport, though? Is it not big enough, or too far from the city?

More like WAY TOO CLOSE to the city. Its basically adjacent to downtown where there is a 500ft height limit imposed by the FAA. The airport authority has been searching for possibilities for new airports and San Diego's Lindbergh Field is nearly at capacity with only 1 runway and no possibility for a second. The only expansion room is for some gates and cargo, but that still stresses the runway. As is seen in the google image, the US land next to the border is open and was a prime candidate for a new airport some possibilities for a cross border airfield in addition to a terminal, however, there is a mountain right in the middle of the potential approach path, whereas Tijuana's airport is south of the mountain so that it can be avoided. Currently there is a ballot set for november to try to share a Marine base at Miramar that has always been the favorite location for an airport due to proximity and topography, and size, but because of the war nobody wants to mess with the military so who knows, another lack of progress in San Diego.

samsonyuen
August 11th, 2006, 12:57 AM
Oh yeah, I flew to San Diego once a few years ago. It would be a good idea to have an airport in miramar, to serve Southern LA too.

hkskyline
August 11th, 2006, 02:55 AM
Homeland Security is going to demand a lot of security improvements if this goes through, and passengers may have to go through 2 sets of customs each way.

Nick in Atlanta
August 11th, 2006, 10:43 PM
I don't know the layout of Tijuana's airport, but I believe that one or the only runway is parallel with the border and not too far from it. I would add another parallel runway or more and place a terminal for San Diego on the American side of the border and keep the Tijuana terminal on the south side of the border. After landing, planes bound for San Diego would taxi from the same runways as planes bound for Tijuana, but SD bound planes would go to the US terminal on the north side of the airport and TJ bound planes would taxi to the south side of the border. It would mainly be a sharing of scarce resources. (ie, space).

samsonyuen
August 11th, 2006, 11:10 PM
Wasn't there a brief mention of a Kansai-type airport in the water?

Nick in Atlanta
August 11th, 2006, 11:17 PM
Wasn't there a brief mention of a Kansai-type airport in the water?

There may have been a mention samsonyuen, but there are two big reasons I don't think that would work. Firstly, those type of land reclamation projects run into the multiple billions of dollars and that's just the beginning. Second, Japan has built their land reclamation airports in some of their many large and protected bays that are near to their major cities. San Diego has a bay, but it is fairly small. A man-made island in the Pacific would be subject to much more rough water which would probably erode the island very quickly. :)

dl3000
August 13th, 2006, 06:20 AM
There were plans for a floating one but the officials didnt think the technology has been around long enough to prove its durability. Anyway, I agree with the idea of sharing an airfield and splitting the terminals, the problem is the entire airport on both sides would have to be pretty well sealed and secured to prevent illegal imigration, otherwise there would be a big weak spot in the border, and thats not good especially when government officials want to waste money on a triple layer border fence.

Rojo
September 5th, 2006, 05:34 AM
Hi, Nick in Altlanta, where did you get the information about TIJ? Thank you

elfreako
September 7th, 2006, 05:35 AM
Yay! Aeromexico will commence service from Tijuana to Tokyo-Narita this November. Twice-weekly with big silver B777. Routing: Sao Paulo-Mexico City-Tijuana-Tokyo

Rojo
September 8th, 2006, 02:26 AM
Yes, I know. Our first international flight since Allegro closed. And maybe, the next year, the 2nd mexican airline will begin a flight to Shangaii, China from Tijuana, too. We are growing up!!

Rojo
September 23rd, 2006, 05:36 AM
Does anybody know more about this project (TIJ-SAN together)? Thank you!

Rojo
October 4th, 2006, 02:40 AM
I found more information about it. Today at SAn Diego Union Tribune, San Diego edition, page 2. (English)

Es una nota que acaba de salir en el San Diego Union Tribune, hoy en su periodico en la seccion San Diego, pagina 2. (Español)

Tijuana airport link to be studied
The San Diego County Regional Airport Authority will look into the feasibility of a cross-border connection with TIJ, starting with a small scale study before deciding wheter to explore the idea further.
The authority`s board yesterday approved a study of legal and regulatory issues, at a maximum cost of $40,000.
A simple pedestrian border crossing or a more elaborate terminal to allow more American travelers to use TIJ emerged in July as possible ways of relieving pressure of Linbergh Field. Since then, planners have identified several possible complications, incluiding a Kennedy-era treaty that limits the ability of US airlines to operate from Mexico.

Calvin W
October 4th, 2006, 02:55 AM
I would say that it shouldn't be to hard to link these two airports. Not much in between them. A large terminal area could be built between the two runways. The US runway can be lengthened. Problems solved no?

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7974/googleearthimageig8.jpg

Rojo
October 4th, 2006, 03:28 AM
I dont think the want to join both terminals(like 1.5 km, or 1 mille), maybe the want to put like a pedestrain crossing-border, so they can go to the airport easier without cross the border with car. Americans can leave their families in US, they cross the border walking, they go to the terminal, and thats all. I will tell you if I Find more information about it, I live in Tijuana, so, it would be easier for me.

Rojo
October 8th, 2006, 08:02 PM
Any new information about it?

Rojo
October 25th, 2006, 04:57 AM
What is the opinion from SAN users? Will you go to TIJ to flight to ORD, IAH or JFK if the ticket it is cheaper than from SAN?

Luis regio+tapatio
October 25th, 2006, 09:22 PM
mm think they will hardly go to Tijuana because of the false idea that they have form the TV tthey think that as soon as they cross the border they will be robed raped etc.

derek5
October 26th, 2006, 07:05 AM
i would rather just drive to LA

Rojo
October 28th, 2006, 04:17 AM
Can I ask you why, why would you rather drive to LA?

el tico
October 28th, 2006, 04:41 PM
Americans can leave their families in US, they cross the border walking, they go to the terminal, and thats all.

That's kind of how two Swiss/French airports function. Geneva airport is in Switzerland and the runway is adjacent to the border with France. There is a road that takes you from France to the French terminal in Switzerland (you are actually in Switzerland but the road is part of France, so in a way you never leave the country). Same thing with Basel airport, which is in France, but there is a road that connects Switzerland to the terminal (Swiss side).

I think this could actually work, because the airport would be under lots of security anyways (fences, security patrols, cameras,...). You could also see it as two airports next to each other, but connected. Passengers who would want to go to the Mexican or US side (for example to catch a flight) would have to cross a special border within airport grounds. This would not be an open to public border, but perhaps only to travellers.

Rojo
October 29th, 2006, 04:53 AM
Ohh, I tought that TIJ would be first binational airport.

Rojo
November 8th, 2006, 06:17 AM
And now, with new flight to Tokyo(NRT) from Tijuana(TIJ) with Aeromexico with a good price, would americans rather come to Tijuana instead of LAX? I want to know if new flight will be succesful, maybe it is the begining of the Binational Airport.

Rojo
January 22nd, 2008, 04:38 AM
On April 8, Aeromexico will begin a new intercontinetal flight from TIJ, now to Shangai-Pudong. Two weekly flight plus two to Narita.

gugasounds
January 22nd, 2008, 05:07 AM
Yes, i like the idea of a binational intercontinetal airport.
A binational airport could bring more airlines to TIJ and the first binational airport in north america!

WonderlandPark
January 22nd, 2008, 05:09 AM
Brilliant idea, I always wanted to see something like this. For international service, this is perfect. For domestic, well, if Mexico can let the US do like they do at Canadian airports, that is preclear customs before boarding, than this will work.

Preclearance is the best thing since slice bread.

Rojo
January 22nd, 2008, 10:21 PM
Jajaja, yes, it could be a good idea! But at this moment TIJ doesnt have any commercial flight to US, and Canada has a lot flights to US, for example YVR. I dont know if it could be a good deal talking about $$$.

gugasounds
January 22nd, 2008, 11:55 PM
The idea of us customs preclearance would be great for busy airports like MEX,CUN,PVR, or even GDL that have a lot of flights to the states.

Rojo
January 23rd, 2008, 04:20 AM
Maybe TIJ, if some regional airlines put their operations instead of SAN, like United Express, American Eagle, Continental Express, etc.

Dimension
January 23rd, 2008, 04:30 AM
I would rather not go to TIJ because of customs and its more convenient for me to stay on the US side of the border.

gugasounds
January 23rd, 2008, 07:43 AM
actually the only flights that would require customs would be flight from asia, europe or canada.

Lusitania
January 23rd, 2008, 08:52 AM
Having an airport that south is also a bit inconvenient for North county San Diegans; I also know for a fact many San Diegans would not opt to go to TJ to take a flight, check out some of the views on SSP.

gugasounds
January 24th, 2008, 07:00 PM
They would probably make a new freeway to the airport.

Rojo
January 24th, 2008, 09:07 PM
Does anybody know what happend with the new SAN?