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Awesome. There are so many skyscrapers!

Welcome, gentlemen to the future world's largest urban expanse...you better watch out Tokyo.

Within a span of 30 years, I'm betting my entire life savings that Shanghai will surpass Tokyo as Asia's most financially important and most economically (commerically and industrially) powerful megalopolis in Asia. It would then join the ranks of the other uber-influential megalopolises of New York Tri-State Area and Greater London.

The vastness and density of the city is starting to remind me of Sao Paulo! Amazing

Welcome, gentlemen to the future world's largest urban expanse...you better watch out Tokyo.

Within a span of 30 years, I'm betting my entire life savings that Shanghai will surpass Tokyo as Asia's most financially important and most economically (commerically and industrially) powerful megalopolis in Asia. It would then join the ranks of the other uber-influential megalopolises of New York Tri-State Area and Greater London.


It may become bigger - but I am very certain that it will not surpass Tokyo's economic might. The fact is that China still has very few global 500 companies.

Within a span of 30 years, I'm betting my entire life savings that Shanghai will surpass Tokyo as Asia's most financially important and most economically (commerically and industrially) powerful megalopolis in Asia. It would then join the ranks of the other uber-influential megalopolises of New York Tri-State Area and Greater London.

I'll take you up on that bet.... at the moment Tokyo's GDP is around 13 times as high as Shanghai's, and if current growth rates for both cities continue (~11% and ~2%), Tokyo will still be larger in 2036.

More likely, Tokyo will keep growing at around 2% pa and Shanghai will slow down somewhat

Awesome photos!
But make sure you give credit to the photographers - I think I know tho took the first two pictures! :)

I'll take you up on that bet.... at the moment Tokyo's GDP is around 13 times as high as Shanghai's, and if current growth rates for both cities continue (~11% and ~2%), Tokyo will still be larger in 2036.

More likely, Tokyo will keep growing at around 2% pa and Shanghai will slow down somewhat

Could you tell me where did you get that stats from? That TK's GDP is 13 times of SH and TK grows at 2% now? Cheers! :)

The fact is that China still has very few global 500 companies.


not very few. in 2005, China has 16 global 500. In 2006, China has 20 now.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/countries/C.html

I'll take you up on that bet.... at the moment Tokyo's GDP is around 13 times as high as Shanghai's, and if current growth rates for both cities continue (~11% and ~2%), Tokyo will still be larger in 2036.

More likely, Tokyo will keep growing at around 2% pa and Shanghai will slow down somewhat

You are talking nominal GDP, right? Well, you may be right. But remember that you are talking in nominal GDP, that's meanigless in China due to RMB undervalue. Shanghai's GDP per capita in PPP is over $20,000 already, it will catch up with Tokyo and other world class capitals within 20 years. Shanghai's GDP soared 12.6% in the H1 of 2006, btw. It might grow even faster in the coming years due to World Expo and tourism boom.

Could you tell me where did you get that stats from? That TK's GDP is 13 times of SH and TK grows at 2% now? Cheers! :)

Shanghai municipality figure of 745 million yuan from the Bureau of Statistics China;

Tokyo metropolitan area figure of US$1,315 million from the Japan Bureau of Statistics

Indeed I have used a nominal exchange rate. I didn't realise the yuan was so undervalued. In any case Shanghai's GDP is an order of magnitude below Tokyo's.

I agree that Shanghai will eventually have a similar GDP/capita to Tokyo but I think Tokyo will always be a larger economy, at least in the foreseeable future, as it has double the population, and neither city has significant population growth.

PS. I should say, those photos are great, and Shanghai is definitely the more spectacular of the two cities :)

Hey what do you know, I took ALL of these pics--except for the last one.

Luckily I've branded all of my recent ones.

*Thanks Staff--as I'm sure you meant me.

Yeah, make sure you put watermarks on the photos you upload to the web - especially photos shown in these forums.
Even I have found my own photos of China (and I haven't posted that many, plus all of them have been posted over a fairly short period of time) all over these forums, in these "compilation threads".

Yeah, I meant you. :)

What a whopper of a city!

Shanghai municipality figure of 745 million yuan from the Bureau of Statistics China;

Tokyo metropolitan area figure of US$1,315 million from the Japan Bureau of Statistics

Indeed I have used a nominal exchange rate. I didn't realise the yuan was so undervalued. In any case Shanghai's GDP is an order of magnitude below Tokyo's.

I agree that Shanghai will eventually have a similar GDP/capita to Tokyo but I think Tokyo will always be a larger economy, at least in the foreseeable future, as it has double the population, and neither city has significant population growth.

PS. I should say, those photos are great, and Shanghai is definitely the more spectacular of the two cities :)


New York and London represent the classic, Tokyo and HK represent the modern, Shanghai represent the future.
Shanghai has a long way to go to catch up with Tokyo's level, 20-30 years.
But Shanghai has the potential to be the third global financial and economic center afrer NY and London, and Shanghai is the only candidate on the list.
In term of skyline, i would pick shanghai, Tokyo looks a bit dull and less personality. whey Pudong is fully developed in 10 years, the skyline will be on the top 3, as spectacular as HK ans NY.

Shanghai municipality figure of 745 million yuan from the Bureau of Statistics China;

Tokyo metropolitan area figure of US$1,315 million from the Japan Bureau of Statistics

Indeed I have used a nominal exchange rate. I didn't realise the yuan was so undervalued. In any case Shanghai's GDP is an order of magnitude below Tokyo's.

I agree that Shanghai will eventually have a similar GDP/capita to Tokyo but I think Tokyo will always be a larger economy, at least in the foreseeable future, as it has double the population, and neither city has significant population growth.

PS. I should say, those photos are great, and Shanghai is definitely the more spectacular of the two cities :)

Thanks. :)
But I do think Shanghai's population is growing significantly.
It's true that there aren't many newly born babies, and in fact, Shanghai has seen negative natural population growth for 8 years. But migrants are flocking into Shanghai seeking for opportunities and many of them settle down in Shanghai (3.78m alone in year 2000). Amongst them, one end are farmer workers from the hinderland, and the other end university graduates from all over the country.
The positive thing for Shanghai is, a great percentage of top talents from across the nation would pick Shanghai as their first spot for development, something that Tokyo is unlikely to achieve to the same extent.
I am not suggesting Shanghai will surpass Tokyo in 20 years time nor otherwise, what shall happen we'll see. :)