1、zhonghua car
zunchi 2.0 AT, price: 13000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4880/1800/1450
发动机型式 4G63S4M2.0L/直列四缸/顶置凸轮轴/16气门
变速器型式 5挡手动 排量(毫升) 2000
最大功率(KW) 95/6000 最大扭矩(N.m) 173/4500
油耗(L/100km) 6.5(80km/h) 轴距(mm) 2790
http://autocctv.com/salon/photo/images/2005/11/21/47976.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/haczhzczlt/U515P33T148D72420F2100DT20041213140857.jpg
http://autocctv.com/salon/photo/images/2005/11/21/47980.jpg http://www.lzbs.com.cn/images/2004-12/08/WEDB450J.JPG

junjie(another zhonghua brand)
1.6L\1.8L\2.0L, price:from 10000usd~15000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4648/1800/1450 发动机型式 4G63S4M
变速器型式 四档自动 排量(毫升) 1997
最大功率(KW) 95/6000 最大扭矩(N.m) 173/4500
油耗(L/100km) ≤8.5(90km/h) 轴距(mm) 2790
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/xjunjietu/U642P33T148D120646F2100DT20060215100549.jpg
http://www.sinocars.com/media/1102/118/b20060220100931614.jpg
http://cimg.163.com/auto/2005/6/15/20050615124750d41d8.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/album/2006/3/14/0e9983e0-5c5c-4a06-974a-17200c364a39.jpg

chery QQ
1.0L\0.8L1.2L, price: from 3500usd~6000usd.
http://www.cg160.com/up/prod/200505/16/18/200551618275918102.jpg
http://img.jrj.com.cn/JRJImages/20060120/A03D805E8C9FE1CE.jpg
http://www.chinaauto.net/newsimage/2006881506370.jpg

chery A5
price: about 10000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4552/1750/1483 发动机型式 ACTECO 1.6L 高性能四缸四气阀双顶置凸轮轴多点电喷汽油机（EDM电子控制模块 ）
变速器型式 五档手动变速器 排量(毫升) 1600
最大功率(KW) 80/5800 最大扭矩(N.m) 144/4200
油耗(L/100km) 5.2(60km/等速油耗) 轴距(mm) 2600

http://www.yn.xinhuanet.com/auto/2006-03/29/xin_2803032909575002079112.jpg
http://www.sws8.com/tp/news/200604/20060405170804136.jpg http://www.yn.xinhuanet.com/auto/2006-07/30/xin_4307033011213281714418.jpg


chery A520
price:11000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4552/1750/1483 发动机型式 ACTECO—2.0L 高性能四缸四气阀双顶置凸轮轴多点电喷汽油机
变速器型式 五档手动变速器 排量(毫升) 1971
最大功率(KW) 95/5500 最大扭矩(N.m) 180/4000
油耗(L/100km) 5.5(60km/h等速油耗) 轴距(mm) 2600

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/CheryA520tupian/U642P33T148D127619F2100DT20060516110218.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/CheryA520tupian/U642P33T148D127613F2100DT20060516110204.jpg http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/CheryA520tupian/U642P33T148D127604F2100DT20060516110115.jpghttp://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/CheryA520tupian/U642P33T148D127601F2100DT20060516110107.jpg

不看好奇瑞！

chery V5
2.0MT price:15000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4662/1820/1590 发动机型式 ACTECO高性能四缸四气阀双顶置凸轮轴多点电喷汽油机（EDM电子控制模块 ）
变速器型式 五档手动 排量(毫升) 2000
最大功率(KW) 95/4500 最大扭矩(N.m) 180/4300-4500
油耗(L/100km) 6.0(90km/h等速油耗) 轴距(mm) 2800
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/salon/CHERY/CHERY/sub_brand/U642P33T221D423F5443DT20060728150842.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/cheryv5xc/U1478P33T148D129678F2100DT20060607003655.JPG
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/cheryv5xc/U1478P33T148D129674F2100DT20060607003638.JPG http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/cheryv5xc/U1478P33T148D129671F2100DT20060607003516.JPG

chery tiggo
2.4L, price:13000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4285/1765/1705 发动机型式 三菱4G64S4M
变速器型式 AT 排量(毫升) 2350
最大功率(KW) 95/5500 最大扭矩(N.m) 195/2500-3000
油耗(L/100km) 7.5(60km/h等速) 轴距(mm) 2510
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/qiruiruihutupian/U642P33T148D127590F2100DT20060516102847.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/qiruiruihutupian/U642P33T148D127589F2100DT20060516102845.jpg http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/qiruiruihutupian/U642P33T148D127584F2100DT20060516102824.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/qiruiruihutupian/U515P33T148D80127F2100DT20050322073856.jpg

chery the son of the east.
2.0L 2.4L AT MT, price:13000~24000usd

长/宽/高(mm) 4785/1818/1445 发动机型式 三菱4G64S4M 4缸16气门汽油机
变速器型式 自动 排量(毫升) 2400
最大功率(KW) 95/5500 最大扭矩(N.m) 198/3000
油耗(L/100km) 轴距(mm) 2711

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/chery06ACTECO/U263P33T148D123327F2100DT20060318215413.JPG
http://www.car.com.cn/f/nation/049/27/9890_5.jpg
http://cimg.163.com/auto/2005/8/29/20050829153520d41d8.jpg

F3
1.6L only, price:9500usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4533/1705/1490 发动机型式 三菱4G18直列四缸，水冷，顶置凸轮轴
变速器型式 5挡手动 排量(毫升) 1584
最大功率(KW) 73.5/6000 最大扭矩(N.m) 134/4500
油耗(L/100km) 4.9(90km/h等速) 轴距(mm) 2600
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/wzpdnzgxl/U1406P33T148D125235F2100DT20060418161840.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/1873/1873382503238.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/wzpdnzgxl/U1406P33T148D125223F2100DT20060418161748.jpg http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/wzpdnzgxl/U1406P33T148D125202F2100DT20060418161515.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/wzpdnzgxl/U1478P33T148D105779F2100DT20050921190118.jpg

meirenbao
1.5L. price:9000usd~12000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4110/1690/1325 发动机型式 MR479QA L4 DOHC 16V MPI
变速器型式 自动挡 排量(毫升) 1498
最大功率(KW) 69/6000 最大扭矩(N.m) 128/3400
油耗(L/100km) 6.3 轴距(mm) 2440

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/JILImrb/U515P33T148D27857F2100DT20040317155108.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/JILImrb/U260P33T148D22109F2100DT20031228190821.JPG
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/JILImrb/U265P33T148D21957F2100DT20031225165355.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/JILImrb/U265P33T148D21947F2100DT20031225164952.jpg

red flag(black only)
4.6L, price:80000usd~130000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 6831/1980/1478 发动机型式 V型八缸462型电喷汽油发动机
变速器型式 自动变速　 排量(毫升) 4600
最大功率(KW) 158/4750 最大扭矩(N.m) 392/3250
油耗(L/100km) 15.8(90KM/H等速) 轴距(mm)

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/yiqihongqiqijian/U642P33T148D32861F2100DT20040512110347.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/yiqihongqiqijian/U642P33T148D32863F2100DT20040512110456.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/yiqihongqiqijian/U642P33T148D32847F2100DT20040512104952.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/yiqihongqiqijian/U642P33T148D32854F2100DT20040512105825.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/yiqihongqiqijian/U642P33T148D32848F2100DT20040512105033.jpg

red flag looks pretty cool

intersting to see the Chinese automobile industry rising, while the US car-makers go down the hill ( although those two events do not really have to do sth with each other)

How many established, well known car makers are there in china, that will stay in business on the long run?

When i think about how many we have in the automobilized west and Japan, I could think of maybe 4 or maximum 5

Chinese car makers are improving all the time.

They're doing pretty good considering the age of these Chinese car manufacturers they're all so young!

Oh btw I found these

This is the new HongQi(red flag) HQ3 Sedan

http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2006/07/184.jpg

http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2006/07/346.jpg

http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2006/07/265.jpg

http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2006/07/516.jpg

http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2006/07/615.jpg

http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2006/07/425.jpg

http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2006/07/79.jpg

ohh my good....so cheap...These cars would be very sold in Europe, considering the high prices of cars here.

Some kind of Chery Car

http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2006/08/untitled.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/zergcerebrates/Chery.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/zergcerebrates/Chery2.jpg

i found this website to be quite informative.
http://www.chinacarforums.com/

@Zerg

FAW (the maker of Hongqi) was established 14 years before Hyundai, but look at where Hyundai is at today. but Chery (the one i think that will lead chinese automakers' expansion into foreign markets) is only about 6 years old.

FAW sucks period. Chery is the future!

i found this website to be quite informative.
http://www.chinacarforums.com/

@Zerg

FAW (the maker of Hongqi) was established 14 years before Hyundai, but look at where Hyundai is at today. but Chery (the one i think that will lead chinese automakers' expansion into foreign markets) is only about 6 years old.

FAW sucks period. Chery is the future!


True, but don't forget China didn't start its reform till the late 70's. China was not as open as of now, and of course being run by the State doesn't do much justice, no compeititon and no knowledge of how to make decent cars.

I like the design of red flag

..

the logo of BYD reminds me BMW

the red flag reminds me of Lincoln's Town Car...

I think Chinese automakers are not mature enough or innovative enough to make their own unique designs. It seems that many Chinese cars' designs are somewhat imitated from foreign cars... no offense. I'm a big believer in Chinese automakers but if they ever were sold in North America (which I'm guessing is soon...), I wouldn't buy one. At least not yet.

how sad

Haha! The F3 is almost identical to the Toyota Corolla. The interior console is absolutely identical -- right down to the knobs and buttons.

I like the design of red flag

Which one, the limo or the HQ3?

1.8L, price: not confirmed, but probably under 12000 usd.
http://bbs.52kd.com/attachment.php?aid=174390&noupdate=yes
http://bbs.52kd.com/attachment.php?aid=174391&noupdate=yes http://bbs.52kd.com/attachment.php?aid=174392&noupdate=yes

this style is hot to exported to russia now.
2.4L, four wheel driving , pirce: 13000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4630/1800/1715 发动机型式 三菱SOHC 16V 直列四缸发动机
变速器型式 手动五挡变速箱 排量(毫升) 2351
最大功率(KW) 93/5250 最大扭矩(N.m) 195/2500
油耗(L/100km) 9.4(90km/h等速) 轴距(mm) 2700

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/HFcuvpics/U515P33T148D89763F2100DT20050513175143.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/HFcuvpics/U259P33T148D79132F2100DT20050306111700.jpg

also hot sales in russia.
2.2L, price:10000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4625/1780/1820 发动机型式 491QE(四冲程、直列四缸、闭环多点电喷式)
变速器型式 5挡手动 排量(毫升) 2237
最大功率(KW) 74/4800 最大扭矩(N.m) 177/3000
油耗(L/100km) 7.2 轴距(mm) 2615

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/grwsf04/U515P33T148D33416F2100DT20040517174950.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/salon/changcheng/changcheng/tpxzfrhyy/U515P33T6D1609F41DT20050512110024.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/1590/1590534339070.jpg

1.4L, 6200 usd!!! 1.8L 8500 USD!!! (THE size is same1.4L and 1.8L)
长/宽/高(mm) 4435/1710/1430 发动机型式 JL481Q 直列四缸、双顶置凸轮轴、16气门
变速器型式 手动五档带同步器 排量(毫升) 1762
最大功率(KW) 83.1/5600 最大扭矩(N.m) 156.8/3400
油耗(L/100km) ≤7(90km/h等速) 轴距(mm) 2540


http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/huapu303pics/U261P33T148D64418F2100DT20041018172331.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/huapu303pics/U261P33T148D64382F2100DT20041018165332.jpg
http://www.pcauto.com.cn/news/hyxw/0501/pic/041203hpIMG_3236_thumb.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/1735/1735675304111.jpg

beijing jeep is the oldest chinese jeep manufacture, enjoy high reputation in china. now we see is beijing jeep 2500 .
2.7L , price: 15000 usd]

长/宽/高(mm) 4300/1794/1700 发动机型式 2.7升加强型多点燃油喷射 C498QA3(2.744L I-4)
变速器型式 五速手动 排量(毫升) 2744
最大功率(KW) 96/4800 最大扭矩(N.m) 232/2750
油耗(L/100km) 轴距(mm) 2576

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/newjeep250024/U515P33T148D90529F2100DT20050520104355.jpg
http://pic.50004.com/car/beijinjeep/011.jpg
http://pic.50004.com/car/beijinjeep/009.jpg

a airplane manufactory, design and built a car (saibao),and sold good. interesting.
1.6L, about 10000usd, max speed 185 km/H,;1.8L, price:12000usd

长/宽/高(mm) 4434/1708/1471 发动机型式 SOHC 16气门多点式电喷汽油机
变速器型式 自动 排量(毫升) 1584
最大功率(KW) 74.2/6000 最大扭矩(N.m) 133.4/4500
油耗(L/100km) 6.3 轴距(mm) 2600

http://www.dabaoku.net/qiche/guochan/saibao/6.jpg
http://pic.enorth.com.cn/400/01/86/16/1861627_641079.jpg
http://www.dabaoku.net/qiche/guochan/saibao/8.jpg
http://auto.scol.com.cn/html/2005/04/pic/002014011002_497652_3.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/1388/1388328416081.jpg

SEE HERE ！！MORE！！
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=323811&page=2&pp=20

Best wishes for China automobile industry.

China has too many small car manufacturers. They need to clump together with the big ones so they can compete.

Cool cars. I noticed that one of the logos looks like the BMV logo. It's a subsidiary from BMV or something?

Cool cars. I noticed that one of the logos looks like the BMV logo. It's a subsidiary from BMV or something?
no, just similar. all these are chinese demestic car manufactory.
china has too many small care producer, they should put those small ones together, to be a larger company.

http://pic.50004.com/car/beijinjeep/011.jpg

Canyoneroooooo.............Canyoneroo.....

:)

ohh my good....so cheap...These cars would be very sold in Europe, considering the high prices of cars here.

I thought the same, $10-$15k for a new 1.6/2.0 car!! for this price one can buy a lousy daewoo matiz or seicento :) I wonder why they don't export these cars to Europe. Maybe because there's hardly any service for them here, all parts would have to be imported from china... Or high duties imposed by EU?

the red flag reminds me of Lincoln's Town Car...

that's because it IS the Lincoln Town Car

similarly the BYD F3 IS the Toyota Corolla etc, Chinese car makers are doing this all the time

that's because it IS the Lincoln Town Car

similarly the BYD F3 IS the Toyota Corolla etc, Chinese car makers are doing this all the time

do you think your car makers can produce a new brand car with only two wheels and one door?? you knew these are cars so they must have something similar as just you are human being and somebody else. but you cannot say that you are copied from somebody or somebody is copied from you.

I thought the same, $10-$15k for a new 1.6/2.0 car!! for this price one can buy a lousy daewoo matiz or seicento :) I wonder why they don't export these cars to Europe. Maybe because there's hardly any service for them here, all parts would have to be imported from china... Or high duties imposed by EU?

Chinese car companies are still testing foreign waters to see if they're being accpeted and see how well it does. If all goes well you'll see a massive attack from the Chinese, and sooner or later duties will be imposed on Chinese cars, just like they're doing with most Chinese products.

if west came up with the idea of free trade they should stick with it lol^

What is the latest of Chery coming to the US? Is that still on?

2007,chery will land on USA, and built up a lot of server centers in USA.

Got the impression I've seen many of these chinese cars with different badges on USA, European and Japanese roads...

Got the impression I've seen many of these chinese cars with different badges on USA, European and Japanese roads...
really? :) i only heard that chinese cars exported to russia\middle east
and south asia.

Got the impression I've seen many of these chinese cars with different badges on USA, European and Japanese roads...

i dont know which ones you are talking about..but some chinese cars are exact copies of their foreign counterparts, with same design, same specification, they are not allowed to wear their original badges because well..their makers wont allow them, in some cases only the technology and assembly line is transferred, but the foreign car maker wont give its chinese partner the right to use its badge, afraid it will damage its reputation. :bash:

exact copies of their foreign counterparts
Precisely what I meant slightly salted with irony

well they are essentially the same cars with different badges, like Opel and Vauxhall, Chevrolet and Pontiac etc.

haha.... some Chinese cars design are copy from others car`s design... although not 100% but is 60-90%.....

haha.... some Chinese cars design are copy from others car`s design... although not 100% but is 60-90%.....
chinese car industry is very young , give them some time to start up, ok? :cheers:

well they are essentially the same cars with different badges, like Opel and Vauxhall, Chevrolet and Pontiac etc.
NO!

zunchi 2.0 AT, has nothing to do with Lancia
zhonghua junjie, has nothing to do with BMW, Toyota or Mazda
chery tiggo, has nothing to do with Honda

or those BYD cars with very similar badge to BMW's and some BYD models with similar design to Beemer models have nothing to do with BMW.

They are (cheap) copies!

NO!

zunchi 2.0 AT, has nothing to do with Lancia
zhonghua junjie, has nothing to do with BMW, Toyota or Mazda
chery tiggo, has nothing to do with Honda

or those BYD cars with very similar badge to BMW's and some BYD models with similar design to Beemer models have nothing to do with BMW.

They are (cheap) copies!

and zunchi looks nothing like Lanci, Junjie looks nothing like BMW, Toyota, Mazda, and Chery Tiggo looks nothing like Honda.

China has too many small car manufacturers. They need to clump together with the big ones so they can compete.

Indeed! IMO, In China this is a common problem in most sectors: Electronics, Steel, Airlines, Banks, whatever. Too many medium-sized corps and too few biggies, sometimes none. Telecommunications and Oil are notable exceptions though.

Look at this ranking of the main automobile producers worldwide. 2003, a little old, sorry.

1. General Motors (Opel and Vauxhall) 8.112.000
2. Ford (Jaguar and Volvo) 6.526.000
3. Toyota 6.241.000
4. Volkswagen Group 5.024.000
5. Daimler Chrysler (Evobus) 4.238.000
6. PSA (Peugeot-Citroën) 3.310.000
7. Nissan 2.942.000
8. Honda 2.923.000
9. Hyundai - Kia 2.697.000
10. Renault-Dacia-Samsung 2.386.000
11. Fiat Iveco 2.386.000
12. Suzuki - Maruti 1.811.000
13. Mitsubishi 1.582.000
14. Mazda 1.153.000
15. BMW 1.119.000
16. Daihatsu 897.000
17. Avtovaz 700.000
18. FAW 556.000 < CHINA
19. Subaru 545.000
20. GM ? Daewoo 521.000
21. Isuzu 492.000
22. Dongfen (without Citroën) 368.000 < CHINA
23. Tata 289.000
24. Beijing AIG (without Hyundai and Isuzu) 262.000 < CHINA
25. SAIC (without GM y VW) 223.000 < CHINA
26. Gaz 201.000
27. Harbin Hafei Automotive 200.000 < CHINA
28. Ssangyong 159.000 < CHINA (49%)
29. Volvo?Renault?Mack 154.000
30. MG Rover 134.000 < CHINA (100%)
31. Jinbei Auto Holding 124.000 < CHINA
32. Changhe Aircraft Industrie 118.000 < CHINA
33. SAIC Cherry Auto 101.000 < CHINA
34. Nanjing Auto 99.000 < CHINA
35. Mahindra & Mahindra 95.000
36. Ijmach Avto 94.000
37. Paccar- DAF 94.000
38. Anhui Jianghuai Auto 94.000 < CHINA
39. Soueast Auto Industrial 87.000
40. Hino 83.000
41. Porsche 81.000
42. UAZ 77.000
43. Navistar 66.000
44. Kamaz 64.000
45. Jiangling Motors Group 63.000 < CHINA
46. MAB-Erf-Norman 61.000
47. Scania 51.000
48. Nissan Diesel 39.000
49. Roslada 28.000
50. Hindustan 16.000
51. Others (China, India, Russia, Turkey) 1.240.000

11 of the 50 main auto makers are Chinese, but none of them ranks in the top 15. Some of them should merge to become really big I think...

Most auto manufacturers are looking to break into the Chinease market, but due to various rules it is not that easy for them to do so. In some cases tehy form a partnership with Chenease companies, in others they simply give various levels of manufacturing rights. There are also a few cases (I believe it was mitsubishi who was famous for this) they would "sell" the machinery and designs for old discontinued models to foreign companies. Proton was famous for this for a while.

in all these joint ventures,the highest share that a foreigner company can hold is 50%,they introduce the car models of their own into china.the joint ventures need to pay money for using these models and then they also take part of the profit of the JV.but more and more JVs start to design their own cars and I belive that finally they can be totally owned by local companies.

the cars i post on this tread are totally chinese design, and independant factory without foreign capital.

^^ Read, Sen.

What is the latest of Chery coming to the US? Is that still on?


You can go to Visionary Vehicles website to find out the details, but from what I read there will be 4 totally new models designed for the US market and will be arriving early 2008 not 2007, its delayed. Along with Chery 2 other car companies also has plans coming to US, and they're Brilliance Auto, and Geely and they are expected to arrive end of 2007 earlier than Chery. Brilliance and Geely will focus on the low end segment while Chery will focus on the mid level segment.

wonderful cars....but many have Mercidies/BMW touch in them one have almost copied mercidies...however every rising automobile industry copies and there is nothing wrong with it I think ......But tell me one thing ...how are these cars doing aborad ? the prices are very less ...this means they must have a good market abroad provided their quality is good

the cars i post on this tread are totally chinese design, and independant factory without foreign capital.

You're wrong. The Brilliance Junjie was designed by Pininfarina an Italian design house.

You're wrong. The Brilliance Junjie was designed by Pininfarina an Italian design house.
i know that fact. i mean, the chinese company have the copyright (自主知识产权）of that design, the italy design it, that's right, which company in the world only rely on demstic sinentists?　they paid for italy company money, but have the copyright.
in joint venters, chinese capital dont have the copyright of the design of the shape .

wonderful cars....but many have Mercidies/BMW touch in them one have almost copied mercidies...however every rising automobile industry copies and there is nothing wrong with it I think ......But tell me one thing ...how are these cars doing aborad ? the prices are very less ...this means they must have a good market abroad provided their quality is good
sold a car not like sold a coat. they have find a US or EU company which is willing to help sell those chinese cars. and they have to bulit a great many service shops, that costs a lot of money. so it's difficult chinese cars break into developed markets.
but i believe, after 2-3 years, some chinese cars will enter into forien markets.

Any more up to date information on the Chery cars that will come to US? Their website gives out limited information. I wonder how the interior looks like of the new Chery designed for the US market

wonderful cars....but many have Mercidies/BMW touch in them one have almost copied mercidies...however every rising automobile industry copies and there is nothing wrong with it I think ......But tell me one thing ...how are these cars doing aborad ? the prices are very less ...this means they must have a good market abroad provided their quality is good

Chery QQ is selling very well in Pakistan, Egypt and some other middle eastern countries, recently it has also opened a dealership in Singapore.

Chinese car makers entered the Russian market in 2005. Mostly Cherry and Great Wall.
The sales are good and growing due to certain price-dumping. But from what I read in the russian autoforums and reviews the quality of those cars is aweful. Like with many other chinese products the main bonus is ceap price. Also, there are copyright issues.
Much of the design and technologies are simply copied or stolen by the chinese, so if they enter western markets they are going to get their asses sued a lot.
But in markts like Russia, MidEast, LatinAmerica, etc. where copiright law is not very strict they are gonna have a very bright future.

Chinese car makers entered the Russian market in 2005. Mostly Cherry and Great Wall.
The sales are good and growing due to certain price-dumping. But from what I read in the russian autoforums and reviews the quality of those cars is aweful. Like with many other chinese products the main bonus is ceap price. Also, there are copyright issues.
Much of the design and technologies are simply copied or stolen by the chinese, so if they enter western markets they are going to get their asses sued a lot.
But in markts like Russia, MidEast, LatinAmerica, etc. where copiright law is not very strict they are gonna have a very bright future.

Few questions about the Russian situation
Really I havent seen many Chinese cars in European Part of Russia(well I have seen some Golden Dragon buses in St petersburg) .....are you talking about Russian far east /south ?

And what do you mean by "aweful" quality ...is it awefully good or awefully bad?And good and bad compared to what ....2nd hand western models? 1st hand cheap Korean/Jap models? 1st hand older lada models or 1st hand modern Lada/Gaz models

Are these Chinese cars in Russia Cheaper than second-hand western cars?
or first hand cheap korean cars ?

You say Chinese cars are doing well in Russian market do you think they can be a major rival to western + Japanese dominated foreign car market in Russia .

chery QQ
1.0L\0.8L1.2L, price: from 3500usd~6000usd.
http://www.cg160.com/up/prod/200505/16/18/200551618275918102.jpg
http://img.jrj.com.cn/JRJImages/20060120/A03D805E8C9FE1CE.jpg
http://www.chinaauto.net/newsimage/2006881506370.jpg

this car is being sold at slightly more than USD 20000 [SGD 35000] here in Singapore(the cheapest car avaliable here), I didn't know it was only worth that much!

^^
cars in Singapore are expensive because of the import tax, same applies to Malaysia.

this car is being sold at slightly more than USD 20000 [SGD 35000] here in Singapore(the cheapest car avaliable here), I didn't know it was only worth that much!
my god, 20000 usd worth a nice 2.0L cars in china.
the hottest car "elantra"solds only 12000 usd in china.

they look nice and all but i cant help feeling like Chinese cars are just knockoffs of current japanese and american designs... one of the chery's look too much like a ford focus and the red flag looks identical to town car. i guess they need to start somewhere... same was with korean cars when they first came to US

one question
what the approx ratio/percentage between Number of foreign car and Chinese car in China

With the price tags and the models I doubt wether any Western car can survive competetion with Chinese cars in China .......I hope to see such Cheap yet fashionable Chinese cars in India as soon as possible

Just one thing ....Try to accept that the models are good...generalising them as copies Western Design is something that I hate.....Western car makers even copy each other ....
To me some the cars are really wonderful ...however I dont like Cherry

Few questions about the Russian situation
Really I havent seen many Chinese cars in European Part of Russia(well I have seen some Golden Dragon buses in St petersburg) .....are you talking about Russian far east /south ?

And what do you mean by "aweful" quality ...is it awefully good or awefully bad?And good and bad compared to what ....2nd hand western models? 1st hand cheap Korean/Jap models? 1st hand older lada models or 1st hand modern Lada/Gaz models

Are these Chinese cars in Russia Cheaper than second-hand western cars?
or first hand cheap korean cars ?

You say Chinese cars are doing well in Russian market do you think they can be a major rival to western + Japanese dominated foreign car market in Russia .
Aweful- as in really bad.
Mind you I'm only repeating what I've read on russian auto forums and auto reviews, I don't have any personal knowlege on this matter, in fact I've never even seen a chinese car. :)
Anyway, what I hear is these cars have very bad assembly quality compared to any other car sold in Russia, even GAZ and Lada. But those Cherries are cheap and look nice as well - so many ( stupid ) people are buying them.
I don't mean to offend anybody, but I wouln't buy one. Buying a car is not like getting a new kettle or a DVDplayer, it's a big investment and you've gotta think ahead.

Aweful- as in really bad.
Mind you I'm only repeating what I've read on russian auto forums and auto reviews, I don't have any personal knowlege on this matter, in fact I've never even seen a chinese car. :)
Anyway, what I hear is these cars have very bad assembly quality compared to any other car sold in Russia, even GAZ and Lada. But those Cherries are cheap and look nice as well - so many ( stupid ) people are buying them.
I don't mean to offend anybody, but I wouln't buy one. Buying a car is not like getting a new kettle or a DVDplayer, it's a big investment and you've gotta think ahead.
i dont think so. chinese car's quality is ok in china.

Aweful- as in really bad.
Mind you I'm only repeating what I've read on russian auto forums and auto reviews, I don't have any personal knowlege on this matter, in fact I've never even seen a chinese car. :)
Anyway, what I hear is these cars have very bad assembly quality compared to any other car sold in Russia, even GAZ and Lada. But those Cherries are cheap and look nice as well - so many ( stupid ) people are buying them.
I don't mean to offend anybody, but I wouln't buy one. Buying a car is not like getting a new kettle or a DVDplayer, it's a big investment and you've gotta think ahead.
are you kidding me? Lada is shit.

Seems like most of these cars are brought off from other car makers, It's not an unordinary thing though.

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/grwsf04/U515P33T148D33416F2100DT20040517174950.jpg
This car was being badged as a toyota 10 years ago.

Seems like most of these cars are brought off from other car makers, It's not an unordinary thing though.

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/grwsf04/U515P33T148D33416F2100DT20040517174950.jpg
This car was being badged as a toyota 10 years ago.
what the fuckin you said aussie? fuck off.

are you kidding me? Lada is shit.
Common Lada is not Shit ....lada is a very comfortable Cheap and reliable car .......had they not been so they wont have accounted to 50% of the cars being sold in Russia in a situation when Russian car market faces one of the most fierce competition from cars all over the world.........there are korean and jap cars that have prices almost equal to Ladas

Perhaps you are talking about the old models of Lada that were once common in China ....yes those old ones looks shitty ...that's coz the Soviets considered cars to be modes of transport ...and not fashion ....but when it comes to reliablity and comfort(at cheap price)...ladas were very good ones....

Today Ladas have developed new models that have cool looks Cheap prices as well as the reliablity of Lada ....its true lada has partly lost its monopoly due to market economy ...but lada is a very reliable car

My new lada Calina has many features better than many of the western couterparts of the same segment...at the same time its lot lot cheaper than its western counterparts ...moreover its mainly an original design not a copy

are you kidding me? Lada is shit.

Not quite.
I agree, Lada models are not as advanced as Jap or Euro cars. Technologicaly they are perhaps 10-15 years behind.
But they cost only US$4,000-8,000, and provide very good value for money.
Also Ladas are quite reliable and well-assembled.
New models like Kalina and Priora look a little dated, but they are very well-made.
And the good thing is - these new models cost only $7-8K!!!
Also KAMAZ ( more famous for its trucks ) produces the cheapest car in the world - 1.0L model called OKA. It costs just $2,400!!

Sorry for off-top, back to chinese cars.
I have no doubt that in 5-10 years Chinese car-makers will become major players internationaly. Now they are just testing overseas markets.
I'm very impressed with the their progress.
Go China!

I think, Chinese cars can do better than Korean and later Japanese cars in terms of selling them in the western markets, domestic needs from China itself are huge, which would in turn help them to pile huge influx of money to operate abroad as well as faster quality-improving speed (We have already seen cases of Chinese firms buying off west firms after a relatively short peorid of development in China. e.g. Lenovo gets IBM PC div., and Nanjing auto gets MG Rover etc.).
In fact, Chinese auto industry has just taken shape in recent few years, and competitions vs. foreign makers within China are already fierce. So I am sure Chinese cars will become major players internationally in 5-10 years.
Sth off topic, I like the ladas, especially the white cute ones (not sure about is model name, only saw them when I was young). People told me that ladas, although look small, but have enormous horsepower!

Chinese firms buying off failing west firms, you should say. There was nothing good out of IBM PC division, nor MG Rover.

I don't see any issue the Chinese playing copycat, need to know when US start with 10000000000 difference auto brand and later they all become GM and Ford. And today we still see car copy each other... remember when Korean still new in the US? they look ugly and cheap... :)

Perhaps you are talking about the old models of Lada that were once common in China

What is the russian car market situation today in China? Are they still selling Lada and Volga? Year ago when i was in Shanghai i remember seeing few Kamaz trucks, but that was all.

do you think your car makers can produce a new brand car with only two wheels and one door?? you knew these are cars so they must have something similar as just you are human being and somebody else. but you cannot say that you are copied from somebody or somebody is copied from you.

what the heck are you talking about?

these cars, are identical to their original counterparts, but they have different badges, this is how Chinese car makers started, either copying the cars, or just rebadging the cars.

But now, they're improving day by day, its quite astounding the improvements theyve made with each new car they bring out

this is how Chinese car makers started, either copying the cars, or just rebadging the cars.

Not all Chinese carmakers are like you you said.You've got to know Chery is even not one of the five largest carmakers in China.

benteng
size:4705/1782/1465mm
2.3AT , price: about 22000USD.
[N·m/r/min] 204/4000
[Kw/rpm] 120/6500
http://news.chinacars.com/images_yueye/gwxc/2006/7/24/30334.JPG
http://pic.66wz.com/0/00/08/02/80200_147516.jpg
http://www.xjauto.net/news/UploadFiles/200676103449734.jpg
http://www.myauto.cc/news/news_admin/news_upload/200679123454631.jpg
http://pic.66wz.com/0/00/07/59/75960_842563.jpg
http://autopic.sohu.com/auto_images/piclib/71/27/Img1122771_middle.JPG

btw is there a special program by the chinese government to develop and distriubte a car for the low income class?This would be a good means to boost economy in the underdeveloped areas?

btw is there a special program by the chinese government to develop and distriubte a car for the low income class?This would be a good means to boost economy in the underdeveloped areas?
yes, chinese goverment has such policy. including lower tax for smaller cars.but the goverment puch this policy is not for more family can offord a car, but reduct petro consumer.

what the fuckin you said aussie? fuck off.

Huh?

But anyway, cee_em_bee is right. It's the old 4Runner.

http://www.toyota-4runner.info/gallery/pic/1997/toyota_4runner_1704584.jpg

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/grwsf04/U515P33T148D33416F2100DT20040517174950.jpg

They're nearly identical. Even the wheels look the same.

btw is there a special program by the chinese government to develop and distriubte a car for the low income class?This would be a good means to boost economy in the underdeveloped areas?

I don't think that's a good idea, China is way too crowded so public transportation is the way to go. Cheap cars for lower income families will dramatically increase the number of cars on the road, creat more green house gas emission and parking problems in the cities.

Huh?

But anyway, cee_em_bee is right. It's the old 4Runner.

http://www.toyota-4runner.info/gallery/pic/1997/toyota_4runner_1704584.jpg

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/grwsf04/U515P33T148D33416F2100DT20040517174950.jpg

They're nearly identical. Even the wheels look the same.
SUV looks all this shape,no surprise. :)

One thing is to be inspired by great design, another thing is to rip it off completely like the Chinese motor industri does... :(


It reminds me of the "Russian" Space Shuttle :lol:
http://www.buran.ru/images/gif/mtkkman.gif

It's really a shame, becase the Chinese are great at designing a lot of stuff - why not try to make unique cars?

It's really a shame, becase the Chinese are great at designing a lot of stuff - why not try to make unique cars?
There's a common sense in Chinese, imitation leads to innovation.
If you couldn't even imitate well, forget about innovation.
So we are in no worries. We just started out in auto industry.

Guys i said this AGAIN and AGAIN some cars look exactly the same because they ARE the same cars, they have the license from foreign carmakers to produce these cars, why do they carry Chinese badges then? because some of them have shitty quality (or used), so their foreign partners wont allow them to carry their badges fearing they would damage their reputation. but they still want to make money so they gave the blueprint and assemly line to chinese but not the right to use their brand, the only example of shameless copying is this:
Shuanghuan Auto(a copy of CR-V)
http://www.beifang-auto.com/image_huodong/chezhanshou/chetupian/shuanghuan.jpg
(no one buys this anyways).

the other copies you see are all done under mutual agreements. so stop accusing already.

One thing is to be inspired by great design, another thing is to rip it off completely like the Chinese motor industri does... :(


It reminds me of the "Russian" Space Shuttle :lol:
http://www.buran.ru/images/gif/mtkkman.gif

It's really a shame, becase the Chinese are great at designing a lot of stuff - why not try to make unique cars?
dont worry, after this stage, we will full of unique cars. :cheers:

SUV looks all this shape,no surprise. :)

Huh? Do you know what you are talking about, dude?

Huh? Do you know what you are talking about, dude?
why toyoto not asks for compensation, and claim greatwall cant produce this shape of cars? it's legal, dude.

thanx to all that really exhibit some really cool Chinese manufacturered cars.

I see there have been alot of interesting discussion going on. But I like to contribute that Chinese car manufacturers will get better in terms of reliability, features, design, environmental quality...etc. Right now, many foreign auto companies are joint venturing with Chinese counterparts because it is mandated by China's foreign policy and industrial policy. This will create local jobs, foreign companies can make money with less than 50% ownership. Good thing is, technology transfer will spillover to the Chinese auto industries. This mean the local companies will gain expertisie in design and manufacturing with the quality similar to Japanese manufacturers.

China will become the biggest motor market in the world, hence one day the local Chinese auto manufacturers will dominate this market and foreign companies will have a small share depending on how the government wants competition to be level playing field or give more time to domestic auto producers to become stronger.

One has to remember, Japan and South Korea did not become global auto manufacturing powerhouses overnight. Japan spent years just rolling out cars that were just ready to drive to now leading the world in terms of design, fuel efficiency, manufacturing process. example - toyota.

South Korea had to start from scratch and do alot of copying, now with the help of foreign ownership like GM Daewoo and Daimler Chrylster shareholdings in Hyundai, they have really cornered the low end segment of the car market.

btw is there a special program by the chinese government to develop and distriubte a car for the low income class?This would be a good means to boost economy in the underdeveloped areas?

I donot intend to divert from the thread topic, nevertheless it is relevant to this question.

India's biggest automobile company Tata Motors will roll out a $2,200 car in 2008. It will target the lower middle class, that is so often neglected by western companies. I bet this car will be a huge hit in India and can be exported to other countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America as well. The comforts of technology should be accessible to the masses, and not just the elite and the middle class.

I donot intend to divert from the thread topic, nevertheless it is relevant to this question.

India's biggest automobile company Tata Motors will roll out a $2,200 car in 2008. It will target the lower middle class, that is so often neglected by western companies. I bet this car will be a huge hit in India and can be exported to other countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America as well. The comforts of technology should be accessible to the masses, and not just the elite and the middle class.
2200USD A CAR! awesome, that's a motorcycle price. every family can offord it. do you have any pics of this india car?

2200USD A CAR! awesome, that's a motorcycle price. every family can offord it. do you have any pics of this india car?

The design of this car is held strictly confidential by Tata Motors, hence no pictures are available.

When the project was announced a few years back, other compact car makers in India, Suzuki and Hyundai, said it was not possible to build a car so cheap. The cheapest car available in India is $4,500, and this proposed car is $2,200, half that price. But the Tata group chairman, Ratan Tata, is determined to prove that it is technologically possible to build this car and to realize a project that is truly pioneering in the automobile industry worldwide. Tata Motors has already spend quite a bit on R&D for this project; they have already selected a site in eastern India for manufacturing facility of this car to go onstream by 2008.

The track record of Tata Motors as an innovative company lends confidence that they can pull off this project. In 1999, they launched Tata Indica with an investment of $500 million in R&D, the first car completly designed and developed by an Indian automobile company.

Nice when do these cars come tom America?

Nice when do these cars come tom America?

In case you are refering to the $2,200 Tata (India) car, I am not sure. People in US seem to fancy big SUVs, mid size cars. The compact car may not be in great demand there. This car will have a market in cost conscious markets of Asia, Africa, Latin America and probably environmentally conscious market of Europe as well.

In case you are refering to the $2,200 Tata (India) car, I am not sure. People in US seem to fancy big SUVs, mid size cars. The compact car may not be in great demand there. This car will have a market in cost conscious markets of Asia, Africa, Latin America and probably environmentally conscious market of Europe as well.
I meant the chinese cars. Are they good on gas and are they better then american cars?

I meant the chinese cars. Are they good on gas and are they better then american cars?
chinese cars are as solid as chinese color TVs. chinese cars have a disadvantage of design and enginee. have a advantage of good equipment: good CD player, good inner decoration, etc. but the largest advantage is the price. lol
but when i heard india will produce 2200 usd cars, i got shocked.

http://pic.50004.com/car/beijinjeep/011.jpg


the cars i post on this tread are totally chinese design, and independant factory without foreign capital.

Are you kidding me?????????????????????????

it's a JV between BJC and Damiler Chrysler.

FFS read my post. (In this case, it even carries the Jeep badge).

if it's a joint venture then oliver here should not post ridiculous information saying there's no foreign capital in the models he has shown so far...

chinese cars are as solid as chinese color TVs. chinese cars have a disadvantage of design and enginee. have a advantage of good equipment: good CD player, good inner decoration, etc. but the largest advantage is the price. lol
but when i heard india will produce 2200 usd cars, i got shocked.
Im sure the indian car will suck. The design will be horrible and the quality is probably going to be terrible. But for 2200 USD they will sell a lot. But I wouldn't get one. Its a shame American car companies don't deisgn goodlooking cars for a good price.

Im sure the indian car will suck. The design will be horrible and the quality is probably going to be terrible. But for 2200 USD they will sell a lot. But I wouldn't get one. Its a shame American car companies don't deisgn goodlooking cars for a good price.

The $2,200 Tata car will be a no-frills car aimed at the lower middle class. It will probably have a modest engine and design. Neverthless, it is challenging to make a structurally sound car for such a low price. Considering that a motorcycle sells for $1,000 in India, many people who cannot afford expensive cars are likely to upgrade to this one. The idea is to extend the benefits of technology to a wider group of people and still make money.

Currently, Tata Motors sells a compact car (Indica) for base price of $7,500, mid-size car (Indigo) for $9,500 and SUV (Safari) for $16,500. Another auto maker Mahindra & Mahindra sells SUV (Scorpio) for $15,500. All these vehicles have been designed and developed in India with substantial R&D investments.

I will buy China shoes but I will NOT buy China cars.They sell every cheap products in Cancun so people buy their products but no other merit.

Sorry, but where is Cancun, a country or a city?

And you shouldn't buy computer, laptop, mouse/keyboard, speakers, LCD, TV, cellphone as well because most of them are also made in China, at least most parts inside them are made in China.

I will buy China shoes but I will NOT buy China cars.They sell every cheap products in Cancun so people buy their products but no other merit.

Sorry, but where is Cancun, a country or a city?

And you shouldn't buy computer, laptop, mouse/keyboard, speakers, LCD, TV, cellphone as well because most of them are also made in China, at least most parts inside them are made in China.


Dude, are you retarded?? you can only be kidding me...

Junjie is the best Chinese car so far I have seen.
and is called "Chinese small BMW" in China mainland.
Actually, IMO, the exterior of junjie can be competed with the original BMW model.

Current model carries with a 1.6 Mitsubishi engine, but later on it will be replaced with a 1.8T engine which is indepentdly designed by Chinese car manufacturer.
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2006/6/26/26-12-2-39-149061408.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2405/u_2405912610928.jpg

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2405/u_240520512178.jpg


With the price $12,000USD, what do you expect more?


junjie(another zhonghua brand)
1.6L\1.8L\2.0L, price:from 10000usd~15000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4648/1800/1450 发动机型式 4G63S4M
变速器型式 四档自动 排量(毫升) 1997
最大功率(KW) 95/6000 最大扭矩(N.m) 173/4500
油耗(L/100km) ≤8.5(90km/h) 轴距(mm) 2790
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/xjunjietu/U642P33T148D120646F2100DT20060215100549.jpg
http://www.sinocars.com/media/1102/118/b20060220100931614.jpg
http://cimg.163.com/auto/2005/6/15/20050615124750d41d8.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/album/2006/3/14/0e9983e0-5c5c-4a06-974a-17200c364a39.jpg

Sorry, but where is Cancun, a country or a city?
I just googled it is in Mexico I believe.
So Cancun, there's nothing wrong with Chinese cheap goods, as long as they are of good quality they will still be popular right? And you will start to regret that there will be no more cheap Chinese products in the coming future, which is already happening.

Dude, are you retarded?? you can only be kidding me...

After google it, eventually I found out Cancun is a small city in Mexico

A small city with only 380 thousand population, why must I know it?

Dude, are you retarded?? you can only be kidding me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4iI59BfpQ

^^Cuz it's one of the largest vacation spots in the WORLD...hello??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4iI59BfpQ

I'm not an average american, I know geography very well for your information, unlike you, who didn't know what cancun was, oh my god...

^^Cuz it's one of the largest vacation spots in the WORLD...hello??????

No, never heard of it. I only know Cuba and Jamaica are good vacation spots in the middle america. Maybe Cancun is famous to U.S people because it is closed to the U.S.

I just read a tourism article written by a Chinese who has been to Cancun and he said the SanYa city in China is even better than Cancun. IMO, SanYa is just ok so I am not interested in Cancun anymore.

三亚城沿海铺展，东西不过里许，南北则绵延数十里。城区人口仅有十几万，
主要从事旅游服务业，为我国第一旅游城市（以旅游业所占比重而言）。从
天涯到三亚，公路沿海滩蜿蜒一路前行：右边是碧蓝的海水、雪白的沙滩，
左边是掩在椰影婆裟中的楼堂馆舍，如同溶入一幅浓彩淡墨的热带风情画。
仅这条沿海公路的旅游资源，便不输世界著名的墨西哥加勒比海滨旅游度假
区“ＲＩＶＩＥＲＡ　ＭＡＹＡ”。只是这片美丽的海滩仍是“养在深闺人
未识”，有待开发罢了。

笔者最近去过墨西哥的旅游胜地ＣＡＮＣＵＮ。相比之下海南、特别是三亚
一带的热带旅游资源只怕更多、更好。ＣＡＮＣＵＮ地区以热带海滨和玛雅
文化古迹取胜。海南则不仅有海，而且有山；不仅有文化古迹，而且有爱情
传说。说到海滨，三亚的大东海、亚龙湾热带海滨，万泉河海口的博奥水城
可与ＣＡＮＣＵＮ旅馆区，“ＲＩＶＩＥＲＡ　ＭＡＹＡ”海滩媲美。更有
三亚南山文化旅游区和小洞天山海一体的特色。加之中路的五指山景区和东
路的热带森林景观，都是ＹＵＣＡＮＴＡＮ半岛地区丘陵和丛林所无法相比
的。而且海南的主干交通设施：机场和高速路，也远远胜过ＣＡＮＣＵＮ。
更不要说海口、三亚清洁美丽的市容了。海南发展的关键在吸引更多的资金
和游客，这正是ＣＡＮＣＵＮ唯一强过海南的地方。所以海南的发展有赖于
整个国家的发展。关于这一点，笔者打算在《三国行》里更详细地谈一谈。

I'm not an average american, I know geography very well for your information, unlike you, who didn't know what cancun was, oh my god...
:) Don't get me wrong I just posted for fun.
The city is not really well known in China seriously.

^^Last time I went to Cancun there were a lot of chinese people...

I just read a tourism article written by a Chinese who has been to Cancun and he said the SanYa city in China is even better than Cancun. IMO, SanYa is just ok so I am not interested in Cancun anymore.

People might be wondering where sanya is. :D

People might be wondering where sanya is. :D
Yeah....Maybe Sanya is only famous in China but I don't care...:)
Because there are lots of good vacation spots in China, like this one: JiuZhaiGou
http://www.haiguinet.com/bbs/files/sf_20041210125230_826.jpg

^^Now, that's really beautiful!!!! Is taht a lake or a river?

It is a lake, or I should say some lakes

http://www.haiguinet.com/bbs/files/sf_20041210125911_196.jpg
http://www.haiguinet.com/bbs/files/sf_2004121013215_168.jpg
http://www.haiguinet.com/bbs/files/sf_20041210124158_255.jpg
http://www.scbiztrip.com/gofad/jiuzhaigou/JZGMEDIA/PHOTO/JZG-3.JPG
http://album.sina.com.cn/pic/5731e4810200089g

^^Now, that's really beautiful!!!! Is taht a lake or a river?

This is a car thread, guys...

After google it, eventually I found out Cancun is a small city in Mexico

A small city with only 380 thousand population, why must I know it?
It's one of the greatest holiday spots in the world - known for their liberal Spring Break vibe and incredible nightlife...

So yes, if you are young and like parties you should at the very least have heard of it :)

http://www.haiguinet.com/bbs/files/sf_20041210124158_255.jpg


^^ I think this is actually the Koenigssee in Bavaria

The design of this car is held strictly confidential by Tata Motors, hence no pictures are available.

When the project was announced a few years back, other compact car makers in India, Suzuki and Hyundai, said it was not possible to build a car so cheap. The cheapest car available in India is $4,500, and this proposed car is $2,200, half that price. But the Tata group chairman, Ratan Tata, is determined to prove that it is technologically possible to build this car and to realize a project that is truly pioneering in the automobile industry worldwide. Tata Motors has already spend quite a bit on R&D for this project; they have already selected a site in eastern India for manufacturing facility of this car to go onstream by 2008..

Well.. we'll have to see what comes up!! while $2200 is quite cheap, lets hope it is not a crossover between an autorichshaw and a mini.



The track record of Tata Motors as an innovative company lends confidence that they can pull off this project. In 1999, they launched Tata Indica with an investment of $500 million in R&D, the first car completly designed and developed by an Indian automobile company.

Much of that $500 million went to italy, who designed the car( i mean the complex parts of the car like the chasis and the transmission). But for a $2,200 they will have to do it themselves or the cost will shoot up.

i am not saying they cant, but dont compare it with the indica design. we'll just have to wait and see what comes up.


OMG!! if these chinese cars get free access to US and european markets, the local industry will be out of business... i mean very good looking and sooo cheap. Incredible!!!

Much of that $500 million went to italy, who designed the car( i mean the complex parts of the car like the chasis and the transmission). But for a $2,200 they will have to do it themselves or the cost will shoot up.

It is certainly not true that most of the design for Tata Indica was done in Italy. The outerbody (chasis) shape design was procured from an Italian company. However, car design and development is much more than just the outerbody shape, and all that was done in India. It is well known and appreciated in India that it was an indigenous engineering effort. The substantial R&D investment of $500 million is a proof of that.

i am not saying they cant, but dont compare it with the indica design. we'll just have to wait and see what comes up.

I am also curious to see what the $2,200 car will look like. It will be a miracle if looks as good as Indica.

shanghai brand car.
http://bbs.52kd.com/attachment.php?aid=195771&noupdate=yes
http://bbs.52kd.com/attachment.php?aid=195772&noupdate=yes
zhonghua sports car
http://bbs.52kd.com/attachment.php?aid=195644&noupdate=yes
http://bbs.52kd.com/attachment.php?aid=195645&noupdate=yes
http://bbs.52kd.com/attachment.php?aid=195646&noupdate=yes
http://bbs.52kd.com/attachment.php?aid=195647&noupdate=yes

I am sorry but I mistakenly gave the wrong data. The TOTAL cost of Tata Indica compact car project was $550 million; this includes design & development (R&D) and setting up of the manufacturing facility. A similar project (starting from scratch) in US/Europe/Japan is estimated to cost $2 billion.

Afterall, it is just a car and not an airplane that would require half a billion dollars just in R&D :)

This is a chinese car thread, so I will leave this topic at that.

I am sorry but I mistakenly gave the wrong data. The TOTAL cost of Tata Indica compact car project was $550 million; this includes design & development (R&D) and setting up of the manufacturing facility. A similar project (starting from scratch) in US/Europe/Japan is estimated to cost $2 billion.

Afterall, it is just a car and not an airplane that would require half a billion dollars just in R&D :)

This is a chinese car thread, so I will leave this topic at that.

How about you start an India car thread on this forum.
I believe many people would like hear and see what it is being developed in India.
Please share.

I am sorry but I mistakenly gave the wrong data. The TOTAL cost of Tata Indica compact car project was $550 million; this includes design & development (R&D) and setting up of the manufacturing facility. A similar project (starting from scratch) in US/Europe/Japan is estimated to cost $2 billion.

Afterall, it is just a car and not an airplane that would require half a billion dollars just in R&D :)

This is a chinese car thread, so I will leave this topic at that.

never mind, post india cars here please

Oliver and Alex, thanks for the encouragement. An Indian car thread already exists in the Infrastructure & mobility forum:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=248609

It has pictures of cars/SUVs made by Indian companies Tata Motors, Mahindra & Mahindra & Reva as well as multinational companies manufacturing in India.

Tata Motors is clearly the most innovative and ambitious among the Indian automobile manufacturers. Besides the domestic Indian market, they are expanding their presence in Asia through aquisition of Daewoo commercial vehicles (South Korea), in Europe through an alliance with Fiat (Italy), and Africa by entering the South African market. Their revenues for 2005 was $5.5 bn; an investment of $2 bn is planned to expand manufacturing in India.

Tata Motors is part of the $22 bn Tata group; whose group company Tata Steel (2005 revenues of $4.5 bn) has been in the news recently for planning an ambitious $9 bn aquisition bid for British-Dutch steel maker Corus (2nd largest steel company in Europe and 9th worldwide). Another group company Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) is India's biggest IT services company with 2005 revenues of $3 bn.

Besides the Indian companies, multinational automobile companies have recently announced major investment plans in India with the goal of exports as well as catering to the domestic market. This includes Suzuki ($2 bn), Hyundai ($1.4 bn), Volkswagen ($550 mn), Honda ($350 mn), GM ($300 mn), Toyota ($90 mn).

Greatwall in Paris Auto Show

http://autopic.sohu.com/auto_images/piclib/83/48/Img1134883.jpg

http://autopic.sohu.com/auto_images/piclib/80/53/Img1135380.jpg

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/06parissuvmpv/U642P33T148D145377F2100DT20060929105744.JPG

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/06parissuvmpv/U1693P33T148D145033F2100DT20060928194809.jpg

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/06parissuvmpv/U1693P33T148D145034F2100DT20060928194811.jpg

http://www.wforum.com/waf/uploads/2STHFLBC04UU0008.jpg

http://www.wforum.com/waf/uploads/2STHFL3604UU0008.jpg

^^Last time I went to Cancun there were a lot of chinese people...

I know Cancun very well. I may have a chance to go there. You can look at China's tropical island, Hainan, by following the link below:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=296611

ROVER is a Chinese car brand made in the UK.

^^ I think this is actually the Koenigssee in Bavaria

Are you sure?
All photos are linked from trekearth.com
Changhai (or Long Lake in English), Jiuzhaigou, Sichuan, China
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/12012/p1090035e.jpg
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/9954/long_lake.jpg

Königssee, Bavaria, Germany
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/21606/img_0679.jpg

^^ I think this is actually the Koenigssee in Bavaria

Go google "Jiuzhaigou" and you'll see the scenery is like that.

ahh..what the hell, heres the link:

http://images.google.com/images?q=Jiuzhaigou&hl=en

They look good from the outside. Little bit like Korean cars before. Basically good looking but some details are not so good or thought than in european cars especially the steering wheel and drivers environment.

Chinese cars don't have own identity yet so they are doing some copying.

Have i seen this car somewhere before...
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/CheryA520tupian/U642P33T148D127601F2100DT20060516110107.jpg
... oh yes, Ford Mondeo

And this looks familiar too...
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/xjunjietu/U642P33T148D120646F2100DT20060215100549.jpg
...Head lights are so BMW

i am not poor at biology, but sorry guys, i never heard of cancun before. we have a hundred of million-polulation- city which is never known by the world, why the hell we have to know such a small city cancun?

China's automobile industry still needs sometime to make improvement..But I never worry about it.
Just look at the products with "made in China" tags,
nowadays already transfering from toys, clothing into IT/electrionic products. Sooner or later Chinese cars will occupy the middle/low end auto market.
And yes, China needs these kinds of middle/low end industries because there are hundreds of millions people make a living on them.
They look good from the outside. Little bit like Korean cars before. Basically good looking but some details are not so good or thought than in european cars especially the steering wheel and drivers environment.

Chinese cars don't have own identity yet so they are doing some copying.

Have i seen this car somewhere before...
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/CheryA520tupian/U642P33T148D127601F2100DT20060516110107.jpg
... oh yes, Ford Mondeo

And this looks familiar too...
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/xjunjietu/U642P33T148D120646F2100DT20060215100549.jpg
...Head lights are so BMW

how the fuck does that look like bmw?

how the fuck does that look like bmw?
Sure looks like a BMW 5 ripoff with a few parts "borrowed" from Toyota Crown perhaps...

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/04.luxury.under.45K/04.bmw.5-series.500.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/xjunjietu/U642P33T148D120646F2100DT20060215100549.jpg
http://pics.autonews.ru/img/onews/2006/01/26/153008.32345_300.jpg


Hmmmm......... :cheers:

Sure looks like a BMW 5 ripoff with a few parts "borrowed" from Toyota Crown perhaps...

Hmmmm......... :cheers:

If you do that, then most cars are ripoffs of something with a few parts "borrowed" from something else. Get a grip, be fair.

Honestly I dont see how Junjie resembles BMW 5, apart from the grill, but then there are other cars who use that kind of grill.like rover, lancia...

http://www.pcauto.com.cn/qcbj/sz/yhxx/jjjc/0606/pic/junjie.jpg
http://www.edmunds.com/media/seo/500/2005.bmw.5.series.jpg

BMW looks agressive, Junjie is sporty but has more family car element.

not to mention the rear parts are totally different...

Nice car and nice skyscraper in Shanghai
http://img.club.pchome.net/upload/club/2006/11/25/ludh_1164438785.jpg

BEIJING (XFN-ASIA) - Brilliance China Automotive Holdings plans to ship 158,000 cars to Europe over the next five years, the company said in a statement on its website.

Brilliance has sealed a contract for the delivery of the autos with HSO Motors Europe, a German auto importer, the statement said.

Chinese cars have so far been exported mainly to markets in Southeast Asia, the Middle East, Africa and South America.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/5940/2006112623553898594xu2.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3261/200611262350355318oe5.jpg[/QUOTE]


:lol:
I don't know if the car is Chinese, btw

^^ Oh man!!! I don't care now.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/5940/2006112623553898594xu2.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3261/200611262350355318oe5.jpg


:lol:
I don't know if the car is Chinese, btw[/QUOTE]

haha, he is a nauty boy. but she dont care, i am jealous.

The car is Ford Mondeo.

Wow! It's amazing how cheap you can buy nice cars in China! A brand new car for only 3,500 USD!!!

In Mexico the cheapest car in the market is a Hyundai Athos for 11,000 USD.

^^
3500 USD you will get the crappiest of the crappiest cars in China.

chery QQ
1.0L\0.8L1.2L, price: from 3500usd~6000usd.
http://www.cg160.com/up/prod/200505/16/18/200551618275918102.jpg
http://img.jrj.com.cn/JRJImages/20060120/A03D805E8C9FE1CE.jpg
http://www.chinaauto.net/newsimage/2006881506370.jpg

^^ I was referring specially to this one. Here for 11,000USD you get a crappy Hyundai Athos...

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/canellemx/Acapulco/atos.jpg

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/5940/2006112623553898594xu2.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3261/200611262350355318oe5.jpg


:lol:
I don't know if the car is Chinese, btw[/QUOTE]

Maybe he is not a kid after all, you know, some people just don't grow ...

^^
3500 USD you will get the crappiest of the crappiest cars in China.

and how crappy are the crappiest?
im sure ive seen the worst here in Mexico, once, i was in a pointer (Volkswagen), trying to move forward my seat so i leaned slightly against the dashboard, and it broke!! the car was 2 years old
http://www.thriftysanfelipe.com/images/Pointer_white.jpg
that crappy car costs around 8200 USD here in Mexico, is that shitty your 3500 chinese car? :S
i'd be glad if you export your 3500USD car into my country

http://skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/mobile01-8143627bd751232ee8f16b6ddc403f24_ufGUUmJcrepX.jpg

I think this is a good start for China. Let's wait until the next 10 years, we may see some breakthrough and unique car design from China. Only time will tell. :)

Dude, are you retarded?? you can only be kidding me...

Are you really that "americanly" stupid that you actually think that Asian or even European people would know what Cancun is, just because it's a popular destination for American tourists? I wonder who's retarded in here.


Can you please tell me more about the popular party destinations for young European people? How's the nightlife on Ios? The beaches in Ayia Napa?
Come back when you know some Chinese cities with 400.000 inhabitants.

http://skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/mobile01-8143627bd751232ee8f16b6ddc403f24_ufGUUmJcrepX.jpg

dude, that's crazy. the driver will be fined by traffic policeman.

^ It looks like the white car just finished switching lanes, so it looks almost like he was driving right underneath those blue trucks.

all the korean/chinese cars i've seen look way to cheap and generic... i dunno why.. but they just do :O

all the korean/chinese cars i've seen look way to cheap and generic... i dunno why.. but they just do :O

maybe because china is a poor third-world.

AFX News Limited
China 2007 auto sales to exceed 8 mln units, up 15 pct yr-on-yr - state media
12.22.06, 5:25 AM ET

BEIJING (XFN-ASIA) - China's automobile sales are expected to exceed eight mln units in 2007, up 15 pct year-on-year, the official Xinhua news agency reported, citing Jiang Lei, deputy chief of the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers.

This year sales will exceed seven mln units, making China the world's third-largest auto market after the U.S. and Japan, he said

From January to November this year, auto output and sales grew 27.92 pct and 25.49 pct, respectively, according to industry data.

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2006/12/22/afx3277751.html

AFX News Limited
China 2007 auto sales to exceed 8 mln units, up 15 pct yr-on-yr - state media
12.22.06, 5:25 AM ET

BEIJING (XFN-ASIA) - China's automobile sales are expected to exceed eight mln units in 2007, up 15 pct year-on-year, the official Xinhua news agency reported, citing Jiang Lei, deputy chief of the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers.

This year sales will exceed seven mln units, making China the world's third-largest auto market after the U.S. and Japan, he said

From January to November this year, auto output and sales grew 27.92 pct and 25.49 pct, respectively, according to industry data.

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2006/12/22/afx3277751.html

thanks for you information, china is becoming a car country

thanks for you information, china is becoming a car country

This would be sad for the environment, because China still has all the chance to become the first large developed country that relies on public transportation.

This would be sad for the environment, because China still has all the chance to become the first large developed country that relies on public transportation.

goverment has relize this, if you buy a car in shanghai, you has to pay about 10000 usd for bidding a (牌照) to goverment before you go on road.

10000 USD?
That is a lot!

10000$?no way.usually 20k-30k yuan for a local plate,that's about 4k$

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3913/benben01an9.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3913/benben01an9.jpg

all the korean/chinese cars i've seen look way to cheap and generic... i dunno why.. but they just do :O

Chinese and Korean cars (even Japanese cars) do not position nor market themselves as masterpieces of design, rather they're focused on affordability and utility, which is more important than design in the North American market. Because of the car culture in America, most Americans are forced to drive one time or another, and many look for a car that never breaks down and will get them from point A to point B before they consider styling, etc. This is why Japanese cars have sold so well in America.

junjie(another zhonghua brand)
1.6L\1.8L\2.0L, price:from 10000usd~15000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4648/1800/1450 发动机型式 4G63S4M
变速器型式 四档自动 排量(毫升) 1997
最大功率(KW) 95/6000 最大扭矩(N.m) 173/4500
油耗(L/100km) ≤8.5(90km/h) 轴距(mm) 2790
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/xjunjietu/U642P33T148D120646F2100DT20060215100549.jpg
http://www.sinocars.com/media/1102/118/b20060220100931614.jpg
http://cimg.163.com/auto/2005/6/15/20050615124750d41d8.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/album/2006/3/14/0e9983e0-5c5c-4a06-974a-17200c364a39.jpg

This thing looks exactly like a BMW 325 or something, except with a fatter grill

ugly

This thing looks exactly like a BMW 325 or something, except with a fatter grill

Brilliance is a joint venture partner of BMW.

if those cars were introduced in the US they would destroy american auto companies

This thing looks exactly like a BMW 325 or something, except with a fatter grill
Is there the spec of this car in English?
Is this car rear wheel drive or front wheel drive?
Well, any information in English would be welcome.
Thank

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2462/u_2462556391924.jpg

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/1402/u_1402311941897.jpg

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/1874/u_1874413895826.jpg

Is there the spec of this car in English?
Is this car rear wheel drive or front wheel drive?
Well, any information in English would be welcome.
Thank

In China, we call it small BMW
http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/15/zhonghua-brilliance-junjie/

Brilliance Zhonghua Junjie
April 15, 2006 at 10:35 pm · Filed under Cars, China

This is the Zhonghua Junjie, China Brilliance Auto’s 2nd passenger car. The name Junjie means Triumphant Horse, or Winning Gold. The sporty mid-sized sedan was designed by the Italian design firm Pininfarina. It is built on a shortened version of it’s big brother Zhonghua Grandeur’s platform.




The design cues of the Zhonghua Junjie reminds me of a BMW. Which is no suprise, as China Brilliance also manufactures BMW cars for the China market thorugh a 50.99-49.01 joint venture between China Brilliance and BMW AG. The company received technical assistance from BMW AG through the Zhonghua Junjie’s course of development. The styling also reminds me of Rover cars. Even though it mimics BMW and Rover styling, I think this is by far the best looking car to come out of China so far. Come to think of it, now the rear reminds me of the latest 2006 Audi A4. But I definitely wouldn’t mind driving it.


The Zhonghua Junjie comes with 4 engine options, ranging from an entry-level 1.6 liter to the top of the range 2.0 liter. All engines are supplied by Mitsubishi. The 1.6 liter model (99hp at 6000rpm, 134Nm of torque at 4500rpm) is the 4G18. Although the engine code is the same one in our Proton Waja and Mitsubishi’s Lancer 1.6 GLX, the torque curve seems different. Our Proton Waja’s 4G18 makes a peak torque of 140Nm at 2750rpm. The Zhonghua Junjie’s peak torque comes in at a much higher 4500rpm. It seems this engine is tuned for high-end power instead of low-end torque, which seems weird as a car weighing around 1400kg powered by a 1.6 liter engine should have the engine tuned for low-end torque to prevent the drive from feeling sluggish.

The 1.8 liter mid-range model is powered by the 4G93, making 134 horsepower at 6500rpm and 165Nm of torque at 5000rpm. The 2.0 liter is powered by the 4G63S4M. It makes less horsepower than the 4G93, which is a maximum of 127 horsepower at 6000rpm but it has a higher peak torque of 173Nm at 5000rpm.


There is also a more performance oriented engine offering called the BL18T. I’m not sure if this is sourced from Mitsubishi or someone else. This turbocharged variant makes 167hp at 5500rpm and 235Nm of torque across the 2000-4500rpm range. 0-100km/h for this model takes 11.8 seconds. The car weighs 1390 kg for the lightest 1.6 liter model to 1475kg for the heaviest 2.0 liter model. The 1.8 turbo weighs 1465kg.



The car has safety features like automatic tightening safety belts when the car’s electronics sense a collission, and there are 4 airbags; two each for the driver and front passager to protect the front and sides. The car also comes with anti-lock brakes, electronic brakeforce distribution and something called electronic differential lock which I presume is some form of traction control.

if those cars were introduced in the US they would destroy american auto companies

If the Japanese and Koreans couldn't do it, what makes you think the Chinese could?

Sure looks like a BMW 5 ripoff with a few parts "borrowed" from Toyota Crown perhaps...

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/04.luxury.under.45K/04.bmw.5-series.500.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/xjunjietu/U642P33T148D120646F2100DT20060215100549.jpg
http://pics.autonews.ru/img/onews/2006/01/26/153008.32345_300.jpg


Hmmmm......... :cheers:

Well you know what they say: "China, you make it, we fake it."

Well you know what they say: "China, you make it, we fake it."

Goodness, can you read, retard? Zhonghua/Brilliance is the joint-venture partner of BMW!

^^ Must be something similar to what Proton did with Mitsubishi, alot of their early cars resembled Mitsubishi's.

Copy also need technique...

Most time of human history is copying... For low tech country, copy is the only way to catch up others...

BTW, another way of saying copy is study! When you study, you are copying, when you get enough information, then you can innovate... :yes:

Do research China is not copying BMW exactly but the Chinese car maker Brilliance who makes the Zhonghua passenger car has an agreement with BMW. BMW technicians helped make that car.

Chinese automaker eyeing stake in Chrysler - report
(AP)
Updated: 2007-02-27 17:10

Chinese automaker FAW Group Corp refused comment Tuesday on a report it is considering bidding for a stake in DaimlerChrysler AG's ailing Chrysler Group.

Meanwhile, a US newspaper reported that Chrysler was seeking permission from its parent company to begin building small cars with China's Chery Automobile Co for export to overseas markets.

The Shanghai-based Oriental Morning Post said FAW had sent representatives to the United States to negotiate a deal for a unspecified stake in Chrysler, citing an unnamed person familiar with the situation.

Staff at the FAW Group headquarters' publicity office refused comment on the report. DaimlerChrysler's public relations department in Beijing also would not comment.

FAW, based in the northeastern city of Changchun, is one of China's biggest automobile makers and a local partner of Toyota Motor Corp and Volkswagen AG.

Speculation about possible deals for Chrysler surfaced after DaimlerChrysler Chairman Dieter Zetsche said February 14 that all options are on the table for the money-losing US business and he would not rule out a possible sale.

Big name automakers have set their sights on China and other fast-growing developing markets to help offset legacy costs and provide sales growth missing in the US and other Western markets. So far, domestic and foreign manufacturers have focused mainly on meeting soaring demand inside China.

But at the same time, Chinese automakers have begun looking overseas for acquisitions, both to expand their market reach and to tap advanced technology and design capacity. Chinese rival Nanjing Automobile Group bought the bulk of Britain's MG Rover Group's assets last year.

State-owned SAIC Motor Corp, Shanghai partner of Volkswagen AG and General Motors Corp, holds a 51 percent stake in South Korea's Ssangyong Motor Co.

The Detroit News reported Tuesday that Chrysler was moving ahead with its alliance with Chery, formed last year, to build small cars in China.

It said DaimlerChrysler's supervisory board would review such a proposal in meetings this week. It said the German automaker was also in talks to expand its cooperation with Chery to include auto parts and other car models.

DaimlerChysler's spokesman in Beijing could not be immediately reached for comment on the Detroit News report.

The company recently announced it was preparing a dealership network to launch the Dodge brand in China this year.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/27/content_815271.htm

if those cars were introduced in the US they would destroy american auto companies

in free market you americans must believe

if those cars were introduced in the US they would destroy american auto companies

not necessarily, brand loyalty plays a big factor, not to mention probable import tariffs, and I would question the build quality and reliability. There is also a big deal of brand prestige among many people. I have to say though, if these cars are cheap as hell, and i hear good news about them after 3-5 years, I would buy one.

i just want to remind that even in chine these"grat cars" are not number one,as i remember number one is volkswagen and # 2 is GM- wchich had by the way bigest sales increase in chine of all manufacturers, they love and respetct buicks there.....

i just want to remind that even in chine these"grat cars" are not number one,as i remember number one is volkswagen and # 2 is GM- wchich had by the way bigest sales increase in chine of all manufacturers, they love and respetct buicks there.....

In fact I read somewhere that the first market for Buick now is... China instead of the United States.

In fact I read somewhere that the first market for Buick now is... China instead of the United States.

Buick seems the only popular industural brand in china. lol

BTW, another way of saying copy is study! When you study, you are copying, when you get enough information, then you can innovate... :yes:

So true, not for car design, but for studying for exams, copying the textbook into notes certainly helps!

if those cars were introduced in the US they would destroy american auto companies

I don't think so. I went to the Paris Motorshow last year, and got an occasion to get in 2 Chinese cars, a SUV and a big sedan. I don't know what their engines were capable of, but I touched and felt the bad quality interior (I mean no offense): plastics of the dashboard can be torn by stiking you fingers in the numerous gaps, seats are uncomfortable...
Chinese automakers need more experience. Except Korean automakers, all those that are ruling the market now have an over 50 year experience.

为什么中国车大多数模仿日本车型 因为日本车本来就垃圾容易制造 成本也省 所以中国刚起步的车商 都以模仿日本车为主~~~

Answering in a language that is understood by everyone would be nice. Furthermore, he was not stating an opinion; he was stating a fact. Chinese car companies have a lot to learn before crushing anyone.

Chrysler agrees to sell Chinese-made cars in U.S.
http://www.sunmoonsource.biz/ CBIZ.CN Hits：11
LOS ANGELES, Feb. 28 (Xinhua) -- Daimler Chrysler has approved a plan to start selling Chinese-built cars in the United States as the carmaker sees its deal with China's Chery Motor as a cheap way to enter the growing entry-level market, the Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday.

Company executives said Tuesday that they expected the Chinese government to approve the agreement by the end of March, according to the report.

The pact calls for Chrysler, Daimler Chrysler's U.S. arm, to work with the Chinese company to design and engineer subcompact cars, which would be built in China and exported to North America and Europe under Chrysler brand names including Jeep and Dodge.

The subcompacts would be the first Chinese vehicles sold in the United States and probably open the door for other Chinese automakers, said the newspaper.

German parent Daimler Chrysler is exploring the possibility of selling or spinning off its ailing U.S. arm, which it acquired in 1998, but the disposition of Chrysler isn't expected to upset its agreement with Chery.

The agreement, disclosed in December, is still subject to Chinese government approval.

Chrysler Chief Executive Tom LaSorda has said earlier that cars from Chery could start arriving in 2009.

Goodness, can you read, retard? Zhonghua/Brilliance is the joint-venture partner of BMW!

Yes I CAN read YellowPiss, I mean YelloPerilo. Still a knock off.

Chrysler agrees to sell Chinese-made cars in U.S.
http://www.sunmoonsource.biz/ CBIZ.CN Hits：11
LOS ANGELES, Feb. 28 (Xinhua) -- Daimler Chrysler has approved a plan to start selling Chinese-built cars in the United States as the carmaker sees its deal with China's Chery Motor as a cheap way to enter the growing entry-level market, the Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday.

Company executives said Tuesday that they expected the Chinese government to approve the agreement by the end of March, according to the report.

The pact calls for Chrysler, Daimler Chrysler's U.S. arm, to work with the Chinese company to design and engineer subcompact cars, which would be built in China and exported to North America and Europe under Chrysler brand names including Jeep and Dodge.

The subcompacts would be the first Chinese vehicles sold in the United States and probably open the door for other Chinese automakers, said the newspaper.

German parent Daimler Chrysler is exploring the possibility of selling or spinning off its ailing U.S. arm, which it acquired in 1998, but the disposition of Chrysler isn't expected to upset its agreement with Chery.

The agreement, disclosed in December, is still subject to Chinese government approval.

Chrysler Chief Executive Tom LaSorda has said earlier that cars from Chery could start arriving in 2009.

Looks like it might be the Chery A1
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/03/07/is-the-chery-a1-to-become-dodges-first-economy-car/

SAIC's Roewe W2

Roewe, or in other words Rover’s Chinese spouse presented a brand new concept at this year’s Shanghai Show, the W2 sedan which was penned by former MG Rover designers and SAIC's own team. Even though it’s more than obvious that the design team took a peek or two in the Toyota/Lexus range, you’ve have to admit that the W2 actually looks quite good and has nothing to do with most of the dull-looking, mixed-grilled creations you usually see from Chinese car makers.
According to SAIC owned Roewe, the Ford Focus Sedan sized W2 will go into production towards the end of the year with international sales staring in 2008. The W2 will be Roewe’s second model after the launch of the Rover 75 derived, 750E.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/w2_front.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/w2_guages2.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/w2_int.jpg

this cars awesome.

Whats the name of the designer? Is it a Roewe designer? It looks much like Pininfarina....

Chery Shooting Sport

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/dsc00460.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/dsc00462.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/dsc00456.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/dsc00450.jpg

this is awesome !!!

Quality and Design seems to be getting better.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/dsc09865.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/dsc09870.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/dsc09876.jpg

http://news.windingroad.com/photo-gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1480&g2_serialNumber=2

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2007/04/dsc09864.jpg

http://news.windingroad.com/photo-gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1450&g2_serialNumber=2

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/11977_LVLRHFKMVCQQK.jpg

Any one know how chinese cars do in crash test like Eurocap?

yes, we have C-ncap test.

http://www.c-ncap.org/

check it out!

yes, we have C-ncap test.

http://www.c-ncap.org/

check it out!

Sorry but I don't read chinese and there wasn't a English page.
How do they compare to Euro-ncap?
Have any Chinese made automobile tested by Euro-ncap and what were their results if they have?

Chinese cars are not sold in Europe, why would they be tested by EURONCAP?

from what the media says they will be sold to europe soon...

from what the media says they will be sold to europe soon...

They can't be sold unless they go through the Euroncap testings.

Any one know how chinese cars do in crash test like Eurocap?

i have seen several images of chinese cars in crash test and they did it pretty bad (i.e:chery A1 or that landwing 4x4 that resembles the old Opel Frontera).

they have to improve a lot in security

give them some more years, and they`ll be doing fine.

Its also good for the chinese people if the have cars, that match european safety standarts.....
Otherwise they`ll have a horror-number of dead on chinese streets in the not too distant future because of car accidents.

i have seen several images of chinese cars in crash test and they did it pretty bad (i.e:chery A1 or that landwing 4x4 that resembles the old Opel Frontera).

they have to improve a lot in security

can you give us the source of those pics or even better share the pictures with us?

http://www.motorpasion.com/images/Chery_QQ_Crash_Test-7.jpg

http://www.motorpasion.com/images/Chery_QQ_Crash_Test-15.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2138250e.jpg

http://www.autoblog.nl/images/landwind_crash_test.jpg

http://www.motorpasion.com/images/LandwindCrashTest2.jpg

http://www.omniauto.it/awpImages/photogallery/2005/4011/photos/crash_test_landwind_25809.jpg

http://www.pixelydixel.com/img06/landwind.jpg

http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/images/landwind_crash.jpg

http://www.anwb.nl/published/anwbcms/content/beelden/auto/test/crashtest/landwind/landwind-bestuurder-467204_enlarged.jpg

OMG it's a death trap ! !
From the looks of it, the manufacturers had no intention of creating a safety zone within the compartment. :ohno:
Even with an offset collision, the A-pillar shouldn't bend like that.

China have raised the test standard similar to the European a few months ago. That is not difficult for those factories to meet the European standard for car body, the main problem for the Chinese auto company is that many engines could not meet the European emission standard .

Last year, Geely try to enter the US market but its engine fail the emission test.

The independent crash test body, the European New Car Assessment Program, will make footage available to car buyers around the world from May 8 but the Australian NCAP website is not yet ready to do the same, despite a recent overhaul.

Euro NCAP crashes dozens of new cars each year and rates each one for occupant, child and pedestrian safety. The Australian division of NCAP (funded by motoring authorities in each state and territory) tests fewer than half a dozen cars each year and scores each model according to the same criteria. This allows Australian cars to be compared with imported models. Currently, NCAP websites release information and photos of the tests but not video footage.

‘‘Euro NCAP exists to serve consumers with the latest car safety information so they can make an informed purchasing decision,’’ says Adrian Hobbs, Euro NCAP’s secretary-general. ‘‘It is logical we should offer that information in the most up-to-date way possible.

‘‘Consumers will be able to view video clips showing crash tests. This will add a new dimension to car safety information.’’ :banana:

China have raised the test standard similar to the European a few months ago. That is not difficult for those factories to meet the European standard for car body, the main problem for the Chinese auto company is that many engines could not meet the European emission standard .

I think you are being overly optimistic since redirecting impact energy without harming the passengers is a difficult task .
The design of drive shaft and steering shaft, selection in material and components at crash sensitive positions and so on.
All these factors has nothing to do with the manufacturing process.

Chinese cars are not sold in Europe, why would they be tested by EURONCAP?

中国汽车出口欧洲
来源： 中国汽车报 作者：朱志宇

据中国机电产品进出口商会统计，今年1至10月，我国汽车出口的国家和地区有
185个，按出口金额统计，排在前5位的国家为俄罗斯、伊朗、比利时、叙利亚和阿
尔及利亚，其中对俄罗斯出口增速最快，比去年同期增长2.9倍。按洲别统计，亚洲
市场仍是我国整车最大的出口市场，前10月我国整车出口120185 辆，出口金额11.04亿
美元。整车出口增长幅度最快的是欧洲市场，与去年同期相比增长206.67%。主要是
向以俄罗斯为主的东欧国家和以比利时为主的欧盟国家出口大幅增加。
目前，中国汽车出口欧洲的贸易仍处于起步阶段，但欧洲市场对中国本土汽车
企业来说仍然具有很大吸引力。
· 2005年5月，首批200辆江铃陆风越野车销往欧洲市场，首开中国汽车销往欧
洲的先河。
· 2005年6月，吉奥签订出口欧洲161辆SUV合同，填补了国内自主品牌汽车出
口欧洲的空白，成为国内首款出口欧洲的自主品牌汽车。
· 2006年9月，长城汽车500辆哈弗CUV首次出口意大利，打响了中国汽车批量
出口欧盟的“第一枪”。
· 2006年9月21日，华晨汽车与欧洲HSO汽车贸易公司签订了3000辆中华轿车出
口欧洲的合同。根据协议，HSO汽车贸易公司担任中华轿车在欧洲部分国家的总代理，
今年12月把3000辆中华轿车引入欧洲。这标志著国内自主品牌轿
车首次进入欧洲市场。11月27日，华晨又与HSO汽车贸易公司一次签署为期5年、共
15.8万辆中华轿车的出口协议。根据此合同，首批3000辆中华尊驰轿车在今年12月
从大连发往德国不来梅，由HSO汽车贸易公司代理在德国销售。明年，华晨将出口1.5万
辆中华轿车，开始在德国以外的欧洲国家销售。
朱志宇 整理

Since everyone come here for fun, I use an on line translator for the above message:

China auto export Europe to originate: Chinese automobile newspaper author: Zhu Zhiyu According to the Chinese mechanical and electrical product import and export chamber of commerce statistics, this year 1 to October, our country auto export country and the area has 185, according to the exportation amount statistics, arranges at the first 5 countries for Russia, Iran, Belgium, Syria and Algeria, is quickest to the Russian exportation speed-up, grew 2.9 times compared to same time last year. According to the continent other statistics, the Asian market still was the our country entire vehicle biggest exports the market, the first in October our country entire vehicle exports 120,185, exportation amount 1.104 billion US dollars. What the entire vehicle exportation growth scope is quickest is the European market, compared with same time last year grows 206.67%. Mainly is to by the Russian primarily Eastern Europe country and by the Belgian primarily European Union country export large increase.
At present, China auto export European the trade still to be at the start stage, but the European market to the Chinese native place automobile enterprise said still had the very strong attraction.

□in May, 2005, the first batch 200 rivers bell land breeze all-terrain vehicle sells to the European market, the opening remarks China automobile sells to European the beginning of a matter.

□in June, 2005, lucky Austria signs exports the European 161 SUV contract, filled domestic independent brand auto export European the blank, became domestic first section to export European the independent brand automobile.

□in September, 2006, Great Wall automobile 500 Kazak not CUV for the first time exports Italy, fired the Chinese automobile batch to export European Union "the first gun".

□on September 21, 2006, the Chinese early morning automobile and the European HSO automobile trading company signed 3,000 Chinese passenger vehicle to export European the contract. According to the agreement, the HSO automobile trading company holds the post of the Chinese passenger vehicle in the European partial countries general agent, this December introduces 3,000 Chinese passenger vehicle Europe. This symbol domestic independent brand passenger vehicle is entering the European market for the first time.

On November 27, Hua Chenyou and a HSO automobile trading company signature for time 5 year, altogether 158,000 Chinese passenger vehicle exportation agreement. The root according to the above the contract, first batch 3,000 China reveres spreads the passenger vehicle in this December to send out Germany from Dalian 不来梅, sells by the HSO automobile trading company proxy in Germany. Next year, Hua Chenjiang will export 15,000 Chinese passenger vehicle, will start outside Germany's European country sale. Zhu Zhiyu reorganizes

Great Wall automobile exports to Italy, anyone from Italy bought this car? If not, the pretty girl will be unhappy.


http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/photo/HFcuvpics/U259P33T148D79132F2100DT20050306111700.jpg

I used a bad on line translator.
The main point of the above massage is:
four Chinese auto companies have already exported vehicles to Europe since 2005 .The No1 exporter is 华晨 , it has signed a contract to export 0.15 million
passenger vehicles to Germany from 2006 to 2010. Three thousands have been shipped out last years, and fifteen thousands going to be shipped within this year.

engine of Zhonghua

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2405/u_2405912610928.jpg

华晨汽车 Zhonghua car

http://www.sinocars.com/media/1102/118/b20060220100931614.jpg

0.15 million of this cars going to ship to Germany from 2006 to 2010.



http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2405/u_240520512178.jpg

Zhonghua
junjie(another zhonghua brand)
1.6L\1.8L\2.0L, price:from 10000usd~15000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4648/1800/1450 发动机型式 4G63S4M
变速器型式 四档自动 排量(毫升) 1997
最大功率(KW) 95/6000 最大扭矩(N.m) 173/4500
油耗(L/100km) ≤8.5(90km/h) 轴距(mm) 2790http://autocctv.com/salon/photo/images/2005/11/21/47976.jpg

Anyone from Germany? What is the asking price over there?

China have raised the test standard similar to the European a few months ago. That is not difficult for those factories to meet the European standard for car body, the main problem for the Chinese auto company is that many engines could not meet the European emission standard .

Is it a joke? Just have a look at the pictures above!

hehe, western car manufature is so afraid of chinese cars compition, but they cant stop the steps of chinese cars advancing. chery car has occupied the 1st position on chinese car markets last month, haha, great news. japanese cars is most unsafty on my opinion. japanese cars=rubbish cars

if they sell those cars in china they`ll definately have to stop one-child-policy, otherwise there`ll be no chinese people in 20 years from now.....

japanese cars is most unsafty on my opinion. japanese cars=rubbish cars

:?

To be honest, if those two cars are representative of what we can expect from Chinese cars, they're still quite a long ways from catching their Japanese, European, and American counterparts.

Also, depending on how much that Zhonghua car is supposed to cost, the interior is quite terrible, even korean interiors (which I consider to be pretty bad) are better.

In time, when the Chinese car market matures, I will buy one, but for now, no way...

japanese cars is most unsafty on my opinion. japanese cars=rubbish cars

Yeah right, most all Japanese cars rates 4 stars or higher in Euro-ncap tests.
I wonder how did those cars above rate.

:?

To be honest, if those two cars are representative of what we can expect from Chinese cars, they're still quite a long ways from catching their Japanese, European, and American counterparts.

Also, depending on how much that Zhonghua car is supposed to cost, the interior is quite terrible, even korean interiors (which I consider to be pretty bad) are better.

In time, when the Chinese car market matures, I will buy one, but for now, no way...

I suggest you to buy a Zhonghua car , for from the outside and inside it looks like a BMW. In fact, this company has an half and half joint venture with BMW , it makes BMW cars in China, many models of its own share many parts with BMW, and made in the same factory ,and by the same workers. Zhonghua is called a Chinese BMW, for some models, almost everything is the same as BMW except the engine, if a worker made a mistake: put a BMW engine into your Zhonghua car, then you end up with buying a BMW for a Zhonghua car's price.(just kidding) . BMW and Zhonghua are win win parters, BMW depends on Zhonghua's distribution and service network and Zhonghua wants to get help from BMW. As more Chinese get rich they will buy more BMW (I owned one about 10 years ago, ) and as more German begin to recognize Zhonghua's value they will love to buy such a good quality car for a low price. In China, Zhonghua offers 10 years or 200 thousand km warranty for parts and service ,selling for about $10 thousand US dollar.

http://image2.sina.com.cn/qc/news/2005-04-21/U644P33T2D112129F9DT20050421133126.jpg

http://news.chinacars.com/images_huabeihuazhong/hn/200722579680.jpg

http://www.cheshi.com.cn/CheshiNet/UpFiles/SellerPhoto/400/448/200611/15025565.JPG

http://www.gndaily.com/news/pic/200731316310.jpg

http://bagua.chinacars.com/Photo/chezhan/2006beijing/gzfabu/MM/SZSP/1024/061121ki0271.jpg

http://img1.qq.com/auto/pics/3621/3621140.jpg

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http://www.qcdz.cn/admin/editor/UploadFile/2006914114229428.jpg

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