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In general,I think it should be Tokoyo
and then HK, London, NYC
NYC's public transportation system cannot compete with developed Asian cities.

well you cant really judge this
the best looking one?
the best working one?
the best used one?

the best used one Mumbai Railways

rofl, does it seriously have the highest ridership? where can i get the stats in comparison

Singapore's MTR is pretty brilliant. But also, from having lived in Japan, their urban rail network is dense and convenient.

I gotta go with HK with this one :) We have it, buses, trams, ferries, railways, etc :)

Hong Kong has every type of transportation imaginable... trams, trains, ferry, speedboat, hydrofoil, subway, taxi, minibus, double decker bus, etc. Not to mention a world class airport in the Foster designed Chep Lap Kok and accompanying infrastructure - Tsing Ma Bridge and the cross harbour tunnels.

Tram, Taxi, Minibus, Double-decker bus, walk, car, subway?
http://static.flickr.com/77/187947975_98c0a680e6_o.jpg

London, followed by Hong Kong and Tokyo.

It's not just Chek Lap Kok but you have an Airport Express to Central

Many cities have express rail service to the airport, such as London and Stockholm. It's the overall package, rather than each piece, that makes a good public transport system.

My vote is for Madrid, Spain. They have one of the most extensive subway systems in Europe and it is expanding every day. They also have a great bus network that will take you anywhere.. and for cheap... only 1 Euro per ride (bus or subway). Taxis in Madrid are also very inexpensive and are numerous. Also, the Madrid Airport (Barajas) is awesome. It's connected to the city by a subway line and the new T4 is huge and very nice. Also, Madrid and Spain have great train service. Madrid is served by both standard rail and high-speed rail (The AVE)
Here are some pics:
Madrid Metro
http://www.softdoc.es/guia_madrid/transporte/imagenes/metro_08_2003.jpg

Metro Trains
http://i.pbase.com/g3/96/94696/2/55401461.DSC_3650a.jpg

Metro Station
http://www.espanolsinfronteras.com/im%C3%A1genes/Madrid%20-%20Estaci%C3%B3n%20del%20metro.jpg

Barajas Airport (Terminal 4)
http://www.richardrogers.co.uk/Asp/uploadedFiles/Image/News/madridInterior.jpg

http://www.schalkefanclub.com/mberghoefer/20060326_1.jpg

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=madrid&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&ll=40.466605,-3.565707&spn=0.016782,0.046949

Buses
http://www.madrid-tourist-guide.com/image-files/transport/madrid-bus8.jpg

Taxis
http://static.flickr.com/6/69144940_1178751c65.jpg

AVE
http://www.seat61.com/images/Spain-AVE.jpg

http://www.masnet.org/cms_article_files/article_1104/pic2.jpg

I would have to say (from one I've been to) Hong Kong as it has a fast subway which is very efficient and one of the cleanest in the world :) Also the tram up the mountain! Lots of fun.

London's is definately in the top few:

Rail and Tram Only - Greater London (the city proper)

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2889/londonrailmapmay20056my.jpg

Buses (extensive)

- One of the most extensive bus networks in the world.

- Under 16s ride free.

- From 1st September 2006, under-18s ride free.

http://www.londonbusphotos.co.uk/images/london%20bridge/images/PA210279.jpg


Riverbuses

- Nice and relaxing way to commute to work, or see London.

http://static.flickr.com/57/187932547_5b1a3f8770.jpg

Riverbus Routemap

http://www.thamesclippers.com/public/images/routemap_complete_2005.gif

Trams

- Operate in south London, clean, quick and effective.

http://static.flickr.com/12/16744798_f0f81faecc.jpg


Light Rail

- Driverless (makes use of sensors), minimal delays and frequent service across east and south London.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9753/dlrsw5.jpg


Heavy Rail - Overground Urban Network (extensive)

- Very extensive network.

- Updated Rolling stock to Class 375.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3218/376dj3.jpg


Heavy Rail - Underground Network (extensive)

- Most extensive network in the world.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7521/utrainbz0.jpg


Taxi

- Iconic, and a great ride, as well as a good design for luggage storage.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2594/taxixn4.jpg


London Airports

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7113/lhrjl5.jpg

- From London's 5 int. airports, you can fly to the most destinations worldwide.


Electronic Card System - Oyster

http://static.flickr.com/36/82546201_1c76b4b7d9.jpg

- Electronic card. Pass it over an 'oyster reader', at any station and on any bus, and your fare is paid.

Moscow, Russia.

You can get just about anywhere in the city using public transport. Quick and easy.

London is far too expensive, unreliable and congested inmho to be in a top three position. NYC transport is in terrible need for a 2nd avenue subway, also the connection to jfk is still suboptimal, the LIRR Brookyln branch should be extended into downtown manhattan.

My top three are:

1.) Paris - super reliable and an excellent concept with fast interurban trains (RER) right into the center of the city (London would have to build Cross Rail, before it could compete with the Parisien level of service)

2. and 3.) Vienna, Munich - both very modern and great systems

Tokyo seems to be good, but very crowded and from waht I've heard from freinds rather uncomfortable if you're taller than 1.80m

Yup, all those systems are brilliant. Personally, my vote would go to Paris for its extensive metro network within the boundaries of the Périphérique which will get you almost anywhere within walking distance quickly and easily; New York for its dense network of subway lines with local trains for stops grouped closely together and express lines to get from one side of town to the other quickly, and finally my home town Amsterdam, which has a dense network of frequent tram lines, which will get you almost anywhere you want within the city limits.

But of course, all three have their downside as well. Paris's system is only good within Paris itself, for the banlieues you'll have to use the RER system, which isn't as dense as it should be. Additionally, most stations haven't (yet) been equipped with escalators or elevators.
New York's system is on the verge of a breakdown - although matters have improved since the 1980's: many stations could do with some serious maintenance, train service is complicated and sometimes unreliable and the Lexington line is overcrowded. Only a few additions have been made after WWII (connecting the Culver line to the IND, the Chrystie St Connection, the line to the Rockaways, the 63rd St Connector and the Archer Ave subway), but they're minimal compared to the giant expansion between 1904 and WWII.
And Amsterdam trams are slow, unreliable and don't cover the whole city: to get across the IJ you'll either have to go by ferry or take a bus and the south-east is served by a severely ageing metro line.

Oh well, I guess no transportation system is perfect after all.

Easily easily Hong Kong.

Don't forget we have the mountains to contend with too, which not many other major cities worldwide have.

Train (major), Buses (major), Ferry (major), monorail (minor), tram (minor) are the key components of Sydney transportation network..

State owned Transportation network
http://www.cityrail.nsw.gov.au/networkmaps/network_map.png
double-decker train
http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/m_train/images/m_train_pic_5.jpg
http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/m_train/images/m_train_pic_3.jpg
http://www.cityrail.info/aboutus/m_train/images/m_train_pic_2.jpg

Ferry Network
http://www.sydneyferries.info/img/networkmap.gif
http://www.travelsmart.gov.au/photos/images/ferry.jpg

Sydney Buses
http://www.sydneybuses.info/commonimages/artic.jpg

Private owned monorail and tram system
http://www.metromonorail.com.au/Artwork/MetroSydneyMap-Web.gif
http://www.metromonorail.com.au/Artwork/imagegallery/1lo-twolightrails.jpg
http://www.metromonorail.com.au/Artwork/imagegallery/4lo-monoyellow.jpg

Train, Tram and Bus are the key components of the Melbourne Transportation Network. Train is operated by connex and tram is operated by yarra tram. Those transportation authorities are state-owned

Melbourne Train Network
http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au/images/maps/map_train_metro2006.gif

Melbourne Tram Network - one of the most extensive tram network in the world
Outer Suburban Network
http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au/images/maps/map_tram_metro2006.gif
City Area
http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au/images/maps/map_tram_city2006.gif
http://www.100yearstrams.com.au/images/history-items/2001-2006/04.jpg http://www.100yearstrams.com.au/images/history-items/2001-2006/05.jpg http://www.100yearstrams.com.au/images/history-items/2001-2006/02.jpg

Light Rail Transit (LRT), Monorail, Electrified Train (Commuter), ERL (Airport Express) and Buses are the key components of KL transportation system....all owned by several government-linked companies.

KL LRT and Commuter Network
http://www.putralrt.com.my/images/KL_Transit.gif

Automated (driverless) LRT [Kelana Jaya - Gombak Line]
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/merinduimu/cintaku/lrt0003x.jpg

Ampang & Sri Petaling Line
http://www.kiat.net/malaysia/images/star1.jpg http://gallery.takingitglobal.org/images/express/gallery/works/7778.jpg

Rapid KL Bus
http://mca.org.my/articles/news/2004/11/30/Rapid%20KL.jpg

KTM Commuter
http://htakahas.hp.infoseek.co.jp/pic_rail/ktm/ktm_kommuter_seremban_200.jpg

KL monorail
http://www.monorail.com.my/images/network2005.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Kl_monorail.jpg/300px-Kl_monorail.jpg
http://www.ivanweb.net/images/Mondo/Malaysia/KL/006_20102005-Monorail-3.JPG

KLIA Transit & KLIA Ekspress (Airport Express)
http://www.ktmrailwayfan.com/pics/data/media/84/IMAGE012_2.JPG
http://www.malaysiasite.nl/images/kliaexpress.jpg http://www.kl-hotels.com/meridien/images/klexpress.jpg http://www.malaysiasite.nl/images/kliaexpress.jpg
http://www.veelzijdigmaleisie.nl/pics/kualalumpur-kliaekspres2.jpg

Tokyo, NO doubt!
:yes:

^^ Somehow, i got the feeling some people here are abusing this thread just to post maps of transportation networks again (there are countless threads on these boards with exactly the same content), without paying any attention to the topic - being in this case the 'best' alleged public transportation system of the world.

Anyway, maybe it'd be fair if everyone here at least motivated his/her choice (instead of just shouting 'Tokyo!' 'London!' 'Madrid!')...

http://www.hyd.gov.hk/eng/major/road/rail/images/existing.jpg
http://www.hyd.gov.hk/eng/major/road/road/images/pho-b.jpg

I go for Hong Kong!

Oh. Another one. Better to close it until flame wars begun again. We will never come to consensus.

Nice Pics guys keep it up here are some more
FrankFurt
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/8223/pict03920rxgz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/3831/1169492270458816087_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/viewimage?imageID=1169492270458816087)

ICE is not a city transport.

Sorry the pic was just supposed to sho Frankfurt HBF
Anywats ICE means inter city express

I would think either a Japanese city or German city. But really, how many threads do we need on this question?

Sorry the pic was just supposed to sho Frankfurt HBF

Then what's the reason of posting it in this thread? This one is about the 'city in the world with the best transport SYS'. You started it yourself...

Anywats ICE means inter city express

Ah...

I would think either a Japanese city or German city. But really, how many threads do we need on this question?

As many as it takes... :blahblah: :fiddle: :D

ALARGURE
I wanna know what you think and the title should be with the best tranportation system so you should putt citiea that you think could be it or you could just put one i just put one to add to what city you think s0 just put 1,2,3,ect cities and pics so there is really no reall anwser just what you think

Should I give a presentation of HK's public transport system?

I think so :D

http://www.gakei.com

Buses
http://www.gakei.com/ctr/c0050.jpg

MTR
http://www.gakei.com/mtr/mtrc01.jpg

Airport Express & MTR Tung Chung Line
http://www.gakei.com/aex/aex07.jpg

Disneyland Resort Line
http://www.gakei.com/drl/trn18.jpg

KCR
http://www.gakei.com/ikk/ikk07.jpg

KCR Light Rail
http://www.gakei.com/lrt/lrt505.jpg

Tram
http://www.gakei.com/trm/trm021.jpg

http://www.gakei.com/trm/trm170.jpg

Peak Tram
http://www.arrigonline.ch/peaktram/imgx/d-peak-tram.jpg

Ferries
http://www.gakei.com/hkf/hkf04.jpg

The world famous Star Ferry
http://www.gakei.com/vsf/vsf03.jpg

Tokyo definitely has the best transport system in the world.

I am so sorry that I havent read the question properly and posted some huge pictures....... :)

However, can I ask that how are we going to define the "best" transportation SYS??? Best in term of servicibility or.....:?

However, can I ask that how are we going to define the "best" transportation SYS??? Best in term of servicibility or.....:?
I would look at a number of factors, including but not limited to
- reliability
- ease of use
- fare collection methodology
- expansion rates
- usage rates
- frequency
- integration between transit modes

I'd have to say HK right now cause, every summer i stay ther and use every type of transport ther literally everyday,and it's really amazing, easy with octupus card for every transport from trains to trams and ferries etc.. I've heard Tokyo's is great but not used it yet ,so can't say for now..

How about Singapore anybody have any pics!!!

I think The question "Which city has the best transportation system?" doesn't refer to just public transit (then it would have written "which city has the best public transit?").

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the original intention was to consider all forms of transportation, namely roads and public transit

Also, asking which is "best" does not equate to a question of which city has the "biggest." I believe "best" should refer to how easy and fast it is to get from point A to point B, regardless of whether the journey takes place in a car or train. We should obviously limit our answers to large cities (say 1 million +) as it's far easier to get around small cities by virtue of their smallness.

In light of this, my nominations are:
- Calgary
- Frankfurt
- Madrid
- Houston
- Dallas

Anyway, maybe it'd be fair if everyone here at least motivated his/her choice (instead of just shouting 'Tokyo!' 'London!' 'Madrid!')...
Tokyo is the best metro and train system among the networks I have visited: 60 approx.
:yes:
And it is far ahead from the 2nd in the list: London.
;)

Tokyo because of coverage, density, and quality.

Case closed.

Ok any other cities besides to tokyo how about london,dubai,newyork,chicago,singapore,bejiing,
newdelhi,losangelos,seattle,portland,berlin,paris,london,
prague,rotterdam,cairo,johannesburg,washintonD.C

what exactly is Tokyo's average ridership per day?

off wikipedia
The Tokyo Subway (地下鉄 chikatetsu) is one of the world's most extensive metro/subway systems. The two primary networks are operated by

Tokyo Metro Co. Ltd (formerly Teito Rapid Transit Authority [Eidan]), 8 lines. The lines are called Tokyo Metro in English. Minimum price for one ride: 160 yen.
Tokyo Metropolitan Bureau of Transportation (Toei), 4 lines. The lines are called Toei Subway in English. Minimum price for one ride: 170 yen.
Several other railways in the capital, notably the Tokyo Waterfront Railway, also qualify as metro (subway) by most definitions.

The Tokyo Subway often has direct service to other types of train lines including JR and private lines such as the Keio, Odakyu, and Tobu lines.

It is important to not confuse the Tokyo Subway with Japan Rail (JR), which charges a separate fee from the Toei and other private lines.

On April 1, 2004, the Teito Rapid Transit Authority (TRTA) was privatized and renamed the Tokyo Metro Co. Ltd (東京地下鉄株式会社, Tōkyō Chikatetsu K.K.). The company also uses the name Tokyo Metro (東京メトロ) in Japanese for promotional purposes.

The privatization affected only the TRTA, and the Tokyo Metropolitan Government continues to operate its own Toei lines separately. (The word toei (都営) means "metropolitan-operated.")


Train at Shinjuku stationThe separate administration of two metro systems in the same city causes several inconveniences for customers:

The same ticket cannot be used on both systems. An additional 90 or 100 yen is charged to switch to the other system regardless of the length of the ride. However, the PASSNET system gets around such issues, by allowing one stored-fare card to be used on most of the rail operators in the Greater Tokyo Area (with the noticeable exception of JR East which uses its own Suica system). The introduction of PASMO in 2007 will finally produce one unified stored fare for most of the Tokyo transit system.
The two systems represent the metro network differently in station, train and customer information diagrams. For example, the Toei map represents the Toei Oedo Line as a circle in the centre, implying a key function for Tokyo's whole public transport system; the Tokyo Metro's map saves the central ring line for the marunouchi line and JR Yamanote Line.
Currently (as of September 2005), there are 168 train stations operated by Tokyo Metro, with an average of 5.69 million passengers per day. They employ 8,721 staff, and the busiest station is Shinjuku (which is also the world's busiest, and second largest, with an estimated traffic of 2 million passengers per day).

I think The question "Which city has the best transportation system?" doesn't refer to just public transit (then it would have written "which city has the best public transit?").

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the original intention was to consider all forms of transportation, namely roads and public transit


I can olnly judge from the cities I myself have experienced. In terms of public transport I was most impressed with Hong Kong and Los Angeles.
Also an unlikley candidate, Cairo. On top of the metro and huge train network there are immense numbers of taxis, mostly peugots and ladas, where you can pay as little as $1 USD for a half an hour ride across the city,to your exact destination avoiding all the queues.

5.69 million passengers per day

well it doesnt seem extraordinary

many cities have the same/similar ridership numbers, if not greater

sorry. Delete this.

In light of this, my nominations are:
- Calgary
- Frankfurt
- Madrid
- Houston
- Dallas

Calgary? Yes it has a very efficient transport system, yet it's far from the best around the world.

Frankfurt... I had never thought it's among the best though.

Madrid--- certainly Madrid's metro is the most efficient around the world--- extensive system throughout its large downtown and its outskirts.

Houston--- I would definitely disagree with this... it's among the worst among developed large cities.

Dallas--- I would say that's mediocre...

In my opinion, the top 5 are:

1- Hong Kong
2- Madrid
3- Vancouver
4- Tokyo
5- Edmonton

Mumbai Suburban Railway system, part of the public transportation system of Mumbai, is provided for by the state-run Indian Railways' two zonal Western Railways and Central Railways. The system carries more than 6.1 million commuters on a daily basis and constitutes more than half of the total daily passenger capacity of the Indian Railways itself. It has the highest passenger density of any urban railway system in the world.

The Mumbai Suburban Railway, as well as Indian Railways, are an offshoot of the first railway to be built by the British in India in April 1853. This was also the oldest railway system in Asia. The first train ran between Mumbai and Thane, a distance of 34 km. The Bombay Railway History Group [1] has been striving to document railway heritage along this line.

Given the geographical spread of the population and location of business areas, the rail network is the principal mode of mass transport in Mumbai.
Contents
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* 1 The System
* 2 Mumbai Railway Vikas Corporation (MRVC)
* 3 Zones and Corridors
o 3.1 Western Line
o 3.2 Central Line
o 3.3 Harbour Line
* 4 World Record Passenger Traffic Density
* 5 Overcrowding
* 6 Fatalities
* 7 List of stations
o 7.1 Western line
o 7.2 Central (Main) line
o 7.3 Harbour line
o 7.4 Diwa-Vasai Road Corridor
* 8 Coaches
* 9 Pictures of Local trains
* 10 See also
* 11 External links

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The System

The Suburban Railway system in Mumbai is one of the most complex and intensively utilised public transportation systems in the world. Spread over 303 route kilometres, it operates on 1500 V DC power supply from overhead catenary lines. The suburban services are run by electric multiple units (EMUs). 184 rakes (train sets) of 9-car and 12-car composition are utilised to run 2067 train services, which carry 6.1 million passengers every day.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Mumbai_suburban_rail_map.svg/588px-Mumbai_suburban_rail_map.svg.png

well it doesnt seem extraordinary

many cities have the same/similar ridership numbers, if not greater

That figure is only for the "Tokyo Metro" railway company. The combined ridership of all railway operators in Tokyo is around 36 million daily.

Wow 36 Mill thts like more than 3/4 of the intire city

Does sauo pauolo i know i spelled that wrong,have a metro,and bus

That figure is only for the "Tokyo Metro" railway company. The combined ridership of all railway operators in Tokyo is around 36 million daily.

can we get some stats of combined riderships of other cities?

Guys common we get it Tokyo has a lot of ridership now lets move on and talk about cities other than Tokyo

Chicago isn't the best in the world, but very healthy for the United States. I can go anywhere I want in the city without too much hassle.

Chicago Transit Authority:

2,273 route miles on the bus system
12,000 bus stops
153 routes throughout the city

222 miles of elevated/subway rail track
144 rail stations
service to both airports

Metra Rail ( commuter rail )

230 rail stations throughout the 6 country region
495 miles of track on 11 routes

Pace Suburban Bus Service

240 fixed routes
services 220 communities in the Chicagoland area

A total of 393 bus routes and 374 rail stations.


CTA Rail Map....
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/Candrson/systemmap-1.gif

which is overlaid and expanded by Metra:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/Candrson/system_map_2006-WORKING.gif

Nice map
Seattle Monorail
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9273/systemmappo3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I can't believe that someone has put up Sydney and Melbourne on this thread... their public transport system clearly sucks!!!.... though Melbourne's is far better than Sydney's.

In terms of affordability, efficiency, cleanliness and availability throughout the city, BERLIN is certainly missing - Berlin has one of the best public transport systems in the world (even better than London or Paris - clearly the best in Germany, so stuff Frankfurt). The one thing Berlin lacks is a good airport system - but other than that it's transport system is pretty damn good (new central station, ring system of suburban trains, a huge (day & night) bus, tram and subway-system, that is very well integrated!

Haven't been to many US or Asian cities, but I believe that in the US, only New York or Chicago would qualify for this thread, and in Asia probably Hong Kong & Tokyo. ... not sure about Singapore (not much there in terms of public transport), and cities like Bangkok, Shanghai & Seoul are still very much struggling with traffic congestion due to too many cars and not enough public transport options.

The Berlin transport system may not be the biggest in size (in terms of number of subway lines, stations or kilometer length), however, it is probably one of the best INTEGRATED systems in the world - and it works!!! There is only a few cities in the world where actually CAN quite comfortably live without a car and still be very mobile around the whole city.

Check these links for detailed plans of BERLIN

Suburban & Subway trains
http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/Common/Document/field/file/id/1398

Tram
http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/Common/Document/field/file/id/1399

24/7 public transport options
http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/Common/Document/field/file/id/2012


The Berlin metro (U-Bahn)

The largest metro system in Germany
The Berlin metro (U-Bahn) is one of the most modern subway systems in all of Europe, and the most extensive public transport network of this type in Germany

The Berlin metro system is well known for its high levels of performance and its emphasis on environmental responsibility.

Its nine lines extend a total of 151.7 kilometers, and serve 170 stations.

The Berlin metro system is used by more than one million people every day. Every year, its trains carry 400 million passengers. It accounts for roughly half of the transport volume provided by the Berliner Verkehrsbetriebe.

Facts and figures
The trains of the Berlin metro system clock around 400,000 kilometers every weekday. That adds up to 132 million kilometers every year. We could also say that on average, the trains circle the globe nine times every single day.

The average speed of the metro trains is 30.7 kilometers per hour. During rush hour, trains currently run at 3 or 5-minute intervals.

By the way, you can use every cell phone network while on our trains or in our stations. You can also charge your cell phone at all of our BVG ticket machines.

The "MetroNetz"
A tram and bus-based core city network not to be confused with the underground metro. To supplement the metro (U-Bahn) and urban rail (S-Bahn) systems, a tram and bus-based core city network was expanded and renamed the "MetroNetz" in 2004.

This expansion transport network shortens travel times for passengers.

The lines run at least 20 hours a day at 10-minute intervals, often at even shorter intervals. The "MetroNetz" system consists of trams, which are called "MetroTrams", and buses, which are called "MetroBuses". This core city network also includes twelve "ExpressBus" lines.

The largest tram network in Germany
BVGTrams are a major feature of the landscape in many parts of the city, and no one would think of eliminating the yellow carriages anymore these days.

In 1994, the BVG launched a comprehensive modernization project for its tram division. More than ten years later, the tram system - the largest in Germany, by the way - now displays some truly impressive features.

Advantages of the tram
Trams feature outstanding speed, safety, punctuality and reliability.
Cleanliness, comfort, wheelchair accessibility and environmental friendliness are also taken for granted these days. The routes are clearly laid out and based on demand, and the division also prizes the economic efficiency of its tram operation.

Facts and figures
There are 187.7 kilometers of tram tracks in Berlin. Added together, the 28 daytime lines and 5 nighttime lines cover a total length of 430 kilometers. The combined distance traveled every day by the Berlin trams corresponds to circling the globe 1.3 times.

A total of 171 million passengers are carried on 1.3 million trips every year. Or 560,000 passengers take a total of 5,300 tram trips every day.

The trams serve 789 stops, which means one stop every 459 meters.

They run at an average speed of 19.2 kilometers per hour.

Extending 431 kilometers, the overhead wiring system for the trams is fixed on 6,809 pylons as well as approximately 2,000 building mounts. It supplies electricity not only to the carriages but also to the point heaters, switch controls, and signal systems as well as lighting facilities at some of the stops.

Ferries
You can use your BVG ticket on six ferry lines operated by our partner companies. They run every day on 6.9 kilometers of water routes in the city.

S-Bahn
The Berlin S-Bahn is a metro system operated by S-Bahn Berlin GmbH, a subsidiary of the Deutsche Bahn. The Berlin S-Bahn consists of 16 lines and is integrated with the mostly underground U-Bahn to form the backbone of Berlin's rapid transport system. Although the S- and U-Bahn are part of a unified fare system, they have different operators: the U-Bahn is run by BVG, the main public transit company for the city of Berlin.

The S-Bahn routes all feed into one of three core lines: a central, elevated east-west line (die Stadtbahn), a central, mostly underground north-south line (die Nord-Süd Bahn), and a circular, elevated line (die Ringbahn). Geographically, the Ringbahn takes the form of a dog's head and colloquially known to Berliners by that name (Hundekopf). Outside the Ringbahn, suburban routes radiate out in all directions.

Regarding daily ridership, here are some figures for Paris :
Transilien and RER (trains) : 2.9 million
Metro : 3.65 million
Buses : 3.26 million
Tram/Val/lighrail : 0.16 million

total : about 10 million passengers a day.

Singapore MRT network is one of the best in Asia. They are currently building Circle line which will be completed by 2010. Stations are very well integrated with the LRT network in some new towns, new upcoming monorail network for Sentosa. Bus interchanges for feeder routes are also very well integrated with the MRT station with Ez Card which is similar to HK's Octopus card..
http://urbanrail.net/as/sing/singapore.htm

How about Singapore anybody have any pics!!!

Its not perfect but its certainly worth mentioning. The backbone of the public transportation system comprises of:

1. Mass Rapid Transit (MRT)
64 Operating Stations
Newest Fleet - 2003
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/MRT-NELmetropolis.JPG/275px-MRT-NELmetropolis.JPG

2. Light Rapid Transit (LRT)
31 Operating Stations
Newest Fleet - 2003
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Singaporecrystalmover.JPG/300px-Singaporecrystalmover.JPG

3. Bus
Newest Fleet - 2006
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/SBS7307X_021_270606_DSC1028_S.jpg/250px-SBS7307X_021_270606_DSC1028_S.jpg

Taxi
Newest Fleet - 2000s
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Comforttaxi.JPG/300px-Comforttaxi.JPG

Fares For 1, 2 & 3 Paid Via The ezlink Contactless Smart Card
Since April 2002
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/52/EZ-Link.jpg/180px-EZ-Link.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/EZ-reader.JPG/300px-EZ-reader.JPG

Nice pics what city has the easeist public transportation system to get to and from the airport. Dallas,Hong Kong,and Atlanta are on my list what do you think.

Also what city in the world has the safest transpotation system.

Common anybody

Nice pics what city has the easeist public transportation system to get to and from the airport. Dallas,Hong Kong,and Atlanta are on my list what do you think.
Kuala lumpur, New Bangkok airport coming up at Suvaranabhumi... All have airport express trains like HK connecting to the main Central hub..

Nice pics what city has the easeist public transportation system to get to and from the airport. Dallas,Hong Kong,and Atlanta are on my list what do you think.

Quite a few cities have train links from airport to city. London has the Heathrow Express - non stop from Heathrow to Central London in 15 minutes, as well as the Gatwick Express:

http://static.flickr.com/41/79508552_83b5cdd010.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/52/128801163_600e6bccc2.jpg

Singapore and HK have good transport systems where they are available, but compared to major cities like Tokyo, Paris, London, or New York, their coverage is limited. And it's all very well to say "what about the hills?": that isn't the point.

Singapore's MRT works fine: provided you're next to a MRT line. When I was in Singapore I asked many people for a "bus map", i.e. a map that showed where each bus-route travelled.

I was was met with blind incomprehension, both at relevant retail outlets, and from my acquaintances. The best I got was a book of bus timetables, from which I had to work out, by trial and error, which bus routes were closest and most convenient to my intended destination at the intended time.

The idea of putting bus-routes- with their route numbers- on a map seemed totally incomprehensible to everyone I spoke to. I was left to my own devices.

After I left Singapore, I wrote to the Ministry of Transport about this. I also submitted copies of maps of my own city, to show how (if you couldn't think for yourself) bus routes could be indicated on a metropolitan map. All I got back from the Singaporean Government was "We have received your email and will consider it", or words to that effect.

Singapore's transport system is fine ... provided you don't need to go further than walking distance from an MRT or LRT station (and that's not much of Singapore).

Singapore and HK have good transport systems where they are available, but compared to major cities like Tokyo, Paris, London, or New York, their coverage is limited. And it's all very well to say "what about the hills?": that isn't the point.

Singapore's MRT works fine: provided you're next to a MRT line. When I was in Singapore I asked many people for a "bus map", i.e. a map that showed where each bus-route travelled.

I was was met with blind incomprehension, both at relevant retail outlets, and from my acquaintances. The best I got was a book of bus timetables, from which I had to work out, by trial and error, which bus routes were closest and most convenient to my intended destination at the intended time.

The idea of putting bus-routes- with their route numbers- on a map seemed totally incomprehensible to everyone I spoke to. I was left to my own devices.

After I left Singapore, I wrote to the Ministry of Transport about this. I also submitted copies of maps of my own city, to show how (if you couldn't think for yourself) bus routes could be indicated on a metropolitan map. All I got back from the Singaporean Government was "We have received your email and will consider it", or words to that effect.

Singapore's transport system is fine ... provided you don't need to go further than walking distance from an MRT or LRT station (and that's not much of Singapore).

When did you last visit? Anyways since 2005 or so, the transport department here has put up bus service number and route details and fare information on all major bus stops and all bus terminals here.

And the same information is also available in a small bus guide book sold at major bookstores here.

And one of the bus operators is trying out this next bus stop displays system onboard buses, which informs you of the approaching bus stop name.

And you just tap in and out with your ''fare''card onboard buses so you never need to calculate your fare.

And everything's in english.

Just some info, thought you might want to know. :)

If you are asking about problems with the Singapore bus system its gotta be that the bus timetables are not available at bus stops (printing them for the thousands of bus stops here for the hundred or so different bus services would be a nightmare), and timetables are only available for SOME BUSES online. And bus frequencies and bus fleet renewal programmes could be improved.

The problem doesn't lie with the bus service information availability.

I would say London wins, no doubt about that.
Whereas i also like Hong Kong's subway system, Houstons trams, Dallas's new trains and the list goes onnnnnn and onn ;)

btw did anyone post Seattles transport system picx? they look pretty good too =)

Both London and Hong Kong have done major overhauls of their bus fleets in the past few years. Both systems have smart card capabilities.

http://www.globalphotos.org/london/20060505/IMG_1381.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/london/20060505/IMG_1378.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20051019/IMG_3033.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20030415/RIMG6252.jpg

Both London and Hong Kong have done major overhauls of their bus fleets in the past few years. Both systems have smart card capabilities.

http://www.globalphotos.org/london/20060505/IMG_1381.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/london/20060505/IMG_1378.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20051019/IMG_3033.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20030415/RIMG6252.jpg

Both HK and London use the same type of bus models. London on the other hand keeps it's traditional red and doesn't have the full wrap-around advertising that some HK buses have.

I preffer Hong Kongs busses how about other Euro cities like Frankfurt, Edinburgh, And Liverpool, ect I missed alot

Singapore and HK have good transport systems where they are available, but compared to major cities like Tokyo, Paris, London, or New York, their coverage is limited.

You are so wrong. HK's bus system is one of the largest in the world and it covers every little corner in the city. This is why HK has the highest transport usage rate in the world.

Who says transport is just about railway?

You are so wrong. HK's bus system is one of the largest in the world and it covers every little corner in the city. This is why HK has the highest transport usage rate in the world.

Who says transport is just about railway?
Very true. Area wise HK, SG are very small compared to london, tokyo but bus system covers everywhere. having lived in SG in past, I know how extraordinary sg public transport is. The feeder routes serves the locations very frequently with the nearest MRT interchange. The bigger townships are covered by LRT routes that are connected to the MRT network all with one Ez contactless smart card that can be topped up at places like 7elevens, MacDs ... HK is similar if not better..

BTw, I love the vestibuled double deckers which are in berlin... Looked so good.. Anyone has pics of those??

When did you last visit? Anyways since 2005 or so, the transport department here has put up bus service number and route details and fare information on all major bus stops and all bus terminals here.

And the same information is also available in a small bus guide book sold at major bookstores here.

And one of the bus operators is trying out this next bus stop displays system onboard buses, which informs you of the approaching bus stop name.

And you just tap in and out with your ''fare''card onboard buses so you never need to calculate your fare.

And everything's in english.

Just some info, thought you might want to know. :)

If you are asking about problems with the Singapore bus system its gotta be that the bus timetables are not available at bus stops (printing them for the thousands of bus stops here for the hundred or so different bus services would be a nightmare), and timetables are only available for SOME BUSES online. And bus frequencies and bus fleet renewal programmes could be improved.

The problem doesn't lie with the bus service information availability.
I heard that SMRT is testing out next stop display inside buses.. IS Sb transit installing them as well? Also, is there passenger information display installed at major bus stop displaying when the next bus will arrive approx? I think with other cities around the world installing them, I am sure pretty soon SG will install as well if they havent started already..

I heard that SMRT is testing out next stop display inside buses.. IS Sb transit installing them as well? Also, is there passenger information display installed at major bus stop displaying when the next bus will arrive approx? I think with other cities around the world installing them, I am sure pretty soon SG will install as well if they havent started already..

1. Most of SMRT's buses have ''next stop'' LED displays in them. They are currently being tested & tweaked. SBS Transit intends to have these displays in its buses as well. They are currently seeking out for potential suppliers of such systems.

2. ''Bus departure time'' CRT displays are installed at all bus interchanges & terminals. These displays were intended to be installed at all major bus stops as well, but this project was scrapped 2 years back. (UPDATE: They have since revived the project, and are currently seeking out ways of implementing this.)

3. I have seen ''bus arrival time'' LED displays in Taipei & Kaohsiung.

4. SMRT & SBS Transit have also embarked on a programme to test out CCTVs onboard buses and trains. Prototypes have been installed on selected buses and trains.

5. Singapore's rail system will be entirely disabled friendly later this year (excluding 3 stations). The bus system will progressively have wheelchair friendly buses (200 buses have been ordered, some of which are already in service), with the entire fleet being wheelchair friendly by 2023.

When did you last visit? Anyways since 2005 or so, the transport department here has put up bus service number and route details and fare information on all major bus stops and all bus terminals here.

It was 2002.

And the same information is also available in a small bus guide book sold at major bookstores here.

That's all very well, (and I bought the book!) but, my problem was, for instance, finding the best way to get from Jurong to the base of Bukit Timah by public transport. Eventually I did it using two MRT lines, one bus, and a lot of sweating. I came home a different way.

And one of the bus operators is trying out this next bus stop displays system onboard buses, which informs you of the approaching bus stop name.

And you just tap in and out with your ''fare''card onboard buses so you never need to calculate your fare.

And everything's in english.

Just some info, thought you might want to know. :)

If you are asking about problems with the Singapore bus system its gotta be that the bus timetables are not available at bus stops (printing them for the thousands of bus stops here for the hundred or so different bus services would be a nightmare), and timetables are only available for SOME BUSES online. And bus frequencies and bus fleet renewal programmes could be improved.

The problem doesn't lie with the bus service information availability.

That's all fine, but none of it would really help me to get from point A (or let's say point X) to the closest set-down point at the base of Bikit Timah: what would have helped would have been a map or street directory with the bus routes marked on it.

Like this: (examples from Melbourne) ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/ooompaloompa123/transport/tranmap1.jpg

or this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/ooompaloompa123/transport/tranmap2.jpg

Do you have these things? IMHO, without them your transport system is missing something. I did actually manage to finally buy a directory of Singapore which showed bus stops as little dots with a cross-reference to a table of the bus-numbers that stopped there, but it still didn't show the routes! :)

I preffer Hong Kongs busses how about other Euro cities like Frankfurt, Edinburgh, And Liverpool, ect I missed alot

:lol: Edinburgh has got to be one of the worst cities in the world for transport. It's very easy to get to other cities from Edinburgh but getting around Edinburgh itself is a nightmare. I admit the busses are good, clean and frequent however it really needs a system capable of moving more people faster. There is no suburban rail, no trams(however there is a plan for them)and no metro. It has nothing except from busses. I actually laughed when I saw Edinburgh in the "City in the world with the best transport SYS" thread. :lol:

It was 2002.



That's all very well, (and I bought the book!) but, my problem was, for instance, finding the best way to get from Jurong to the base of Bukit Timah by public transport. Eventually I did it using two MRT lines, one bus, and a lot of sweating. I came home a different way.



That's all fine, but none of it would really help me to get from point A (or let's say point X) to the closest set-down point at the base of Bikit Timah: what would have helped would have been a map or street directory with the bus routes marked on it.

Like this: (examples from Melbourne) ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/ooompaloompa123/transport/tranmap1.jpg

or this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/ooompaloompa123/transport/tranmap2.jpg

Do you have these things? IMHO, without them your transport system is missing something. I did actually manage to finally buy a directory of Singapore which showed bus stops as little dots with a cross-reference to a table of the bus-numbers that stopped there, but it still didn't show the routes! :)

Interesting maps you have there. That could be implemented in Singapore. Send them to www.lta.gov.sg

Singapore's transport system has matured, its time for some fine tuning to raise service standards, as is the case at present now.

But to a visitor, it can look a tad complicated for a dense bus system. But it could work... :) (Interestingly, at the bus terminals here, the maps you posted are indeed available, but only for the major township the bus terminal is located in. They show where the routes of where the buses go within that town and how intertown buses exit the town, but they dont show the whole of Singapore)

For me, to get to where I want, I locate the bus stop nearest to my destination and find out what buses go there by using the street directory.

Then I use the bus guide to find out which train station that bus stops at. And I am on my way there. Its easier for me but perhaps not for others.

^^ Thank-you! I could have posted several more maps from different sources & at varying scales, but I thought enough was enough.

I'm sure it could be done in Singapore, which is why I sent these to your Ministry of Transport four years back ...

I did see a bus map of Jurong; as you described, i.e. bus routes in the kilometre or so from the station. But it can be done with a little thought on any scale you wish!

Two more examples: heavy bus area: dashed lines indicate routes on fare-zone boundaries ( fare zones shown in pink and blue).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/ooompaloompa123/transport/tranmap3.jpg

And, from a separate source (Melways Street Directory ... copyright!) , bus-routes indicated by dotted blue lines on a large-scale map: perhaps not as clear, but I can still see where each service goes, and which services run down each street!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/ooompaloompa123/transport/tranmap4.jpg

keep up the posting

For me, to get to where I want, I locate the bus stop nearest to my destination and find out what buses go there by using the street directory.

Then I use the bus guide to find out which train station that bus stops at. And I am on my way there. Its easier for me but perhaps not for others.

I've found your system vey easy to use, I stayed at Marine Parade last year and the bus stop outside had directories with the names of main destinations along with the numbers of each bus that between the destinations. I almost never never ride public transport here in Seattle because it is so hard to figure the system out. Singapore was a breeze, Kyoto was easier than Seattle also in spite the language!

The payment system is good too, just have the card in your wallet and bump up to the reader box when you enter and get off, it even counts different buses or modes (MRT) as one trip as long as you make your connection quickly.

^^ Thank-you! I could have posted several more maps from different sources & at varying scales, but I thought enough was enough.

I'm sure it could be done in Singapore, which is why I sent these to your Ministry of Transport four years back ...

I did see a bus map of Jurong; as you described, i.e. bus routes in the kilometre or so from the station. But it can be done with a little thought on any scale you wish!

Two more examples: heavy bus area: dashed lines indicate routes on fare-zone boundaries ( fare zones shown in pink and blue).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/ooompaloompa123/transport/tranmap3.jpg

And, from a separate source (Melways Street Directory ... copyright!) , bus-routes indicated by dotted blue lines on a large-scale map: perhaps not as clear, but I can still see where each service goes, and which services run down each street!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/ooompaloompa123/transport/tranmap4.jpg

The govt has recently become quite open on new ideas (even to the extent of allowing casinos to be built here, plus putting added focus on improving customer service). So its definitely a right time to send them another email, but preferably to www.lta.gov.sg.

They are in charge of the day to day land transport matters like road infrastructure etc.

But for now, the current system serves residents pretty fine. But a graphical version wont hurt.

I've found your system vey easy to use, I stayed at Marine Parade last year and the bus stop outside had directories with the names of main destinations along with the numbers of each bus that between the destinations. I almost never never ride public transport here in Seattle because it is so hard to figure the system out. Singapore was a breeze, Kyoto was easier than Seattle also in spite the language!

The payment system is good too, just have the card in your wallet and bump up to the reader box when you enter and get off, it even counts different buses or modes (MRT) as one trip as long as you make your connection quickly.

It counts travel from any station to any station as one single trip. But if its a transfer from the MRT - Bus or LRT - Bus, its considered as two trips, but a transfer rebate is given if you transfer within 45 mins.

Melbourne's fare-system is confined just to zones: a daily Zone 1 ticket (for example) means just that, no matter how you travel.

Calgary? Yes it has a very efficient transport system, yet it's far from the best around the world.

Frankfurt... I had never thought it's among the best though.

Madrid--- certainly Madrid's metro is the most efficient around the world--- extensive system throughout its large downtown and its outskirts.

Houston--- I would definitely disagree with this... it's among the worst among developed large cities.

Dallas--- I would say that's mediocre...

In my opinion, the top 5 are:

1- Hong Kong
2- Madrid
3- Vancouver
4- Tokyo
5- Edmonton

Remember, I'm not just considering public transit, as per my previous post. I'm considering roads also.

Calgary: very good road system with relatively uncongested freeways and expressways reaching every corner of the city. A good lrt system reaching most of the city's commercial areas and areas of higher pop density.

Frankfurt: congestion free combination of freeways and massive train system for a city its size

Madrid: not only has a massive train system (rt and commuter), but has a dense and relatively uncongested freeway network

Houston, Dallas: Massive, dense, and relatively uncongested freeway networks that access every corner of the metro areas. Houston is actually one of only 2 cities in the US to have decreased road congestion over the past decade through its incessant freeway construction (the other being Phoenix).

And let me also dispel the Vancouver myth. It's transit system is horrendous. It has only 2 freeways which are incredibly congested and only serve a minute portion of the city. The public transit system does not come close to making up for the lack of roads. There are two rapid transit lines that also serve but a minute portion of the city, and the buses serving the remaining area are stuck in the same road traffic as cars. It's essentially impossible to get from point a to b in reasonable time unless a and b happen to be conveniently located next to the 2 skytrain lines.

Awsome post somepics of the train busses ect...

To answer the question, I believe it's clearly impossible to talk about the efficiency of a transport system without mentionning motorways and highways. They have clearly a decisive impact in the mobility inside a city. A city which is stuck in awful traffic jams can't be decently considered as having the most efficient transport system.


In that regard, I would say that Madrid has clearly a very decent system, with a subway allowing to go anywhere in the urban area and a very efficient motorway network.

On the other side, London has really an awful motorway network... actually, it almost not even exists. You have to drive in London streets during 25 km to reach the first motorway from London's center. As for public transports, London indeed benefits from an extensive rail network but it's far to be the most reliable in this world, which doesn't help.

As for Paris, the metro network is really great in the city in itself, most likely the best in the world in that regard. But as Alargule said, it's inexistant in the suburbs. The RER is indeed a very efficient alternative but it's not yet enough developped. And finally, the suburban rails are very limited as they don't cross the city in itself and the trains traffic is too low to be as efficient as is the RER. On the other side, the suburban motorway network in Paris is simply very extensive. The only problem being that some motorways would need few more lanes.

Well, here are my 2 cents.

Tokyo is the best metro and train system among the networks I have visited: 60 approx.
:yes:
And it is far ahead from the 2nd in the list: London.
;)The coverage of Tokyo's system is great. It's very reliable and extremely punctual too, but that doesn't mean Tokyo has the best public transportion system. It's quite expensive. You may have to walk for 10 minutes to the closest station and another 10 minutes to the platform, when the whole subway trip takes only 5 mins. It's not too safe for ladies (nothing serious, more like a nuisance). Being too overly dependent on JR and subway means everything virtually comes to a halt after 12am, unless you don't mind taking taxi at exorbitant prices. Capsule hotels and 24 hr cafes exist in Tokyo for a reason.

How about moscow

How about moscow

Moscow's transit IMO is one of the best, and it is unfair (or maybe simply ignorant?) when some people do not even mention it in the top five. My top four list, in no particular order

Tokyo, Moscow, London, Paris, and many other cities contesting top 10 spots (NYC, Hong Kong, Osaka, Seol, Madrid, Mexico, Berlin, St. Petersburg, Washington DC, Kiev etc.) But sorry, no Vancouver, Edmonton or Calgary to discuss even for the top ten, these cities, however nice their public transit is, are simply not big enough to be mentioned in this context.

:bash:

I think best ones are London and Madrid.
London system is very extensive, with large number of stations in the center of the city. Buses are very extensive, but i think the network needs some more lines, Taxis are comfortable and beautiful, DLR is great too, and, even some lines are a bit chaothic as District or DLR, is not hard to use them, trains are a good but very spared into many stations. The disappointment are the fares 3 pounds per trip is so so expensive, and even in reduced fares as Oyster cards or Day travelcards, it is too so expensive.
Madrid has a very extensive metro network, if you look that is a city of 2'5 million inhabitants less than London or Paris, the network is bigger than Paris and only 100km less than London. It is a very modern network, with an average age of the trains less than 15 years (is important to know that is an old network, the first line was opened in 1928). Most of the metro area is covered by metro services, and the conmuters (Cercanías Renfe Madrid) are much easier to use than London's for example, they are more or less a metro-like service with less frequency, but not low one (5-7 min in most of the lines, 2-3 min in Downtown and high used lines). In buses there are two kinds, the ones that belong to the city council (EMT-Empresa Municipal de Transportes- red ones) and the private ones, green ones,that ride out of the city downtown from some transfer statiotions called Intercambiadores ,that are controlled by the Consorcio Regional de Transportes, an institution formed by the city council, the community council and the central government. The consorcio also controlls fares and systems of Metro and Commuter trains. Metro and commuter has a great number of ampliatiaons under construction. Also even Buses, commuter and metro are very cheap, around the Euro in A zone (Madrid city) and even cheaper if you buy ten travel cards. There is also the Abono transportes, personalized card which lets you use every transport mothly, or anually and with special fares for young, old or students. Taxis are not as beautiful as London's but they are unexpensive and there is a huge number of them... Also it is the center of the country's train and bus network, and has one of thebiggest and best connected airports in Europe. Here you can see the maps of the commuter and metro networks:
http://www.softdoc.es/guia_madrid/transporte/imagenes/metro_08_2003.jpg
http://www.clickandgoviajes.com/asp/img/mapas/cercanias%20madrid.jpg

And here some photos of the different transports:
Metro:
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/mad/L12-puerta-del-sur1.jpg
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/mad/L10-lago1k.jpg
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/mad/L9-principe-vergara1.jpg
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/mad/L3-ventura-rod1k.jpg
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/mad/L8-nministerios1.jpg
Commuter:
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/mad/c-n-ministerios1.jpg
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/mad/c-atocha2.jpg
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/mad/c-recoletos1.jpg
Buses-EMT:
http://www.fuel-cell-bus-club.de/assets/images/Madrid_EMT_CNG_Bus.jpg
http://www.guiadeviaje.net/espana/imagenes/madrid-autobuses.jpg
Buses-Green ones:
http://www.sierramadrid.info/imagenes/Auto_PCastilla.jpg http://hoyodemanzanares.blogspot.com/graficos/transporte2.jpg
Taxis:
http://www.madrid-tourist-guide.com/image-files/airport/madrid-airport2.jpg

:applause:

On the other side, London has really an awful motorway network... actually, it almost not even exists. You have to drive in London streets during 25 km to reach the first motorway from London's center. As for public transports, London indeed benefits from an extensive rail network but it's far to be the most reliable in this world, which doesn't help.



The first motorway is next to the city centre. The A404 > A40 is a 6 lane dual-carriageway that starts at Paddington/Marylebone (Central London) and continues out of London M40.

The A404/A40 at Paddington: http://static.flickr.com/40/121310014_3606ee2971_m.jpg http://static.flickr.com/7/7202811_da872e9da1_m.jpg

The A4 is similar, but starts at Hammersmith (near Central London), and continues out to Cardiff in Wales as the M4. And these are just examples from West London.

Furthermore, much is being made of the LU being 'unreliable'. Whenever there are severe delays, it means that there are 10 minute intervals between trains. On most lines, almost everyday, there is around a 3 minute wait for a train. If part of a line is closed due to planned engineering works, there are always rail-replacement bus services available.

Today, for example, every line has a good service (2-3 minute intervals). There are planned engineering works between North Acton and Marble Arch / Moor Park and Amersham / Arnos Grove and Cockfosters (all outer neighbourhoods), for which a 10 minute bus replacement service will be available.

How about Phillie and kollcatta

Anymore lets get this thread biggeer

And TORNTO

@Bsrt: I totally agree with you, but let me make you some corrections:
Madrid's population is 3,205,334 inhabitants while Madrid's metropolitan area population goes up to 5,843,041 inhabitants.
Also the first metro line was opened in 1919 (Line 1 from Sol to Cuatro Caminos)

Yes, i know, the numbers i wrote were gone :S...
The real difference is 1'5 million, because London is 7'2 million...

Ya I was also wondering about that Bsrt

I agree in almost everything about Madrid, except the traffic which is horrible, worse than in London or Paris!
:(

I'm not so sure that traffic is worse in Madrid than in London, i was in london last week and the one before and everything was horrible, every time i go i like more the city itself but traffic jams in Regent, Picadilly or Oxford stret are really horrible, and they are not so broad streets, so that make them even more horrible for pedestrians. In the case of Paris i can't talk because i don't know the city as Madrid or London...

Regarding the Singapore bus route map things, Hong Kong doesn't have one of those maps either...but we run fine without them...?

The traffic is worse in Paris than in London. ( I don't know Madrid )
Parisian are really bad driver.

Place de la Concorde champ Elysee ,Porte d'Orleans ,Boulevard St Michel , Rue de Rivoli, place de l'Opera , Boulevard Haussmann ... are good exemples and the traffic is terrible in suburbs to.

In Paris the traffic is heavy in minight too.

http://www.ece.ualberta.ca/~poon/gallery/0304/paris_landscapes/images/117_1764.jpg

^
I've only been to Paris a couple of times, but I didn't know congestion was that bad. I've obviously seen pictures of the Champs Elysees jams, but never heard of midnight traffic.

Yes, i know, the numbers i wrote were gone :S...
The real difference is 1'5 million, because London is 7'2 million...

Thats 7.4million city population...

This is London's Urban Heavy rail (Overground) network, which is often overlooked. It's as important as the underground (metro) network, especially for those in South London where metro lines do not penetrate far....

http://www.transwatch.co.uk/images/london-rail-with-roads.gif

When combined, the Underground and Overground provide a complete and extensive network, beaten only by Tokyo:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/766/ldnconnectionsgx7.jpg

Unfortunately, I've never been to Madrid, but I hear its got a great transport system.

The traffic is worse in Paris than in London. ( I don't know Madrid )
Parisian are really bad driver.

Place de la Concorde champ Elysee ,Porte d'Orleans ,Boulevard St Michel , Rue de Rivoli, place de l'Opera , Boulevard Haussmann ... are good exemples and the traffic is terrible in suburbs to.

In Paris the traffic is heavy in minight too.Well, Paris is a lot more densely populated than London is, hence it's natural that this generates more trafic. It's totally true by the way that there are traffic jams at midnight or even later in Paris. You can go to the Champs-Elysées at 3am and the avenue will be filled with cars.

However, I don't believe Parisians are as bad drivers as their reputation is. The average Parisian driver is very aware of his/her environment, and drive actually very safely once compared with most cities I've visited. For instance, if a pedestrian is illegally crossing the street, the Parisian driver will slow down. In most other cities, he would accelerate and honk in order to make understand he has the priority. By the way, in general Parisians don't use a lot the horn compared to what happens in other cities.

The only thing I see about Parisian drivers is that sometimes they create a second lane in order to turn left or things like that. But if they do so, it is actually to make the trafic more fluid. Hence I consider this as rather smart. Anyway, most people who are complaining about Parisian drivers being bad has obviously never driven in Italy, Spain or even in Berlin or Sydney. In all those cities, I had a lot bigger problems with drivers than in Paris, and this even as a Pedestrian.

Another thing by the way is that the freeway network in Paris is far more developped than it is in London. It would be hypocritical to consider it otherwise. While Paris has three circular freeways with the Périphérique, the A86 and the Francilienne, London has only the M25 which is similar to the further Paris one, the Francilienne.

But correct me if I'm wrong in saying that the Périphérique ranks amongst the most congested roads in Europe. There are more motorways running through central Paris but largely thanks to the congestion charge, London's traffic movement appears more fluid.

Urban Heavy rail system is very big in London.
Bigger than other city in Europe.

In comparaison Paris RER and suburban rail system
Big but not as London.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2397/mapidfuz6.gif

Londons Underground network is very good, but it would be nice to see some major investment in new lines and stations, extensively covering south of the thames and further out into the suburbs, this could then free up the surface rail networks for faster express services. The bus and train networks are very good, and are amongst the best in the world, masses of money are being spent upgrading surface rail transport, trains and stations accross the city, and the country, this investment will need to be sustained for a very long time however.
Ten years from now and London has the potential to have one of the most up to date public transport networks around, as long as the beaurocracy doesn't hinder progress too much (which, being the UK, it will unfortunately).

However, as far as roads/motorways are concerned, then yes, I'm afraid London is practically third world. Congestion charge or not, the fact remains that it takes over an hour to get from central london to the outer suburbs on most days at most times, the motorway access to airports is indeed crap as well, the M4 was built 40yrs ago, and a two lane dual carriageway from central london to the worlds busiest international airport is in my opinion a fucking joke, indeed as the whole cities road transport system is. Again, unlike the rest of the worlds cities, whose progress has for the most part remained unhindered, Londoners, and indeed most other UK cities, really have shit out thanks to beurocracy and nimbyism. Indeed 40 years ago, there was a plan to create arguably the worlds best and most efficient urban motorway system in London, check this out...

London Ringway System (http://www.cbrd.co.uk/histories/ringways/)

...indeed, the 'stings' of motorway that are in the city today are actually the first signs of what would have been one truly enormous motorway network, probably as good as that of LA, Houston, Bangkok, etc. Imagine if the same fate had happened the victorians when the railways were proposed, we really would be in the shit then, eh!!!

I can't believe that someone has put up Sydney and
Haven't been to many US or Asian cities, but I believe that in the US, only New York or Chicago would qualify for this thread
Why would you only look at big cities? If you're going to start comparing by size, of course they'll win. But smaller cities can have incredibly good public transport systems too without being in all those top x lists of number of metro stations / airports / passengers etc. Portland for example has a very good system.

Very nice

We don't want an urban motorway network IN central London or green and leafy suberban outer London thank you very much. Would you WANT to live next to one of these ? Do you like breathing diesel dirt and a fine mixture of noxious gases and other dust ? Only in cities where the people have no choice do they get lumped with these.

That's why the London Urban Ringway plan got ditched; From the bit's that had already been built it was seen that it was gonna be an enviromental and urban catastrophe in the making. It'd chop-up the city and destroy the very things, the very structure that make it what it is.

The peripherique in Paris damages Paris because it forms a stinking ringfence around the more bijoux central areas. I'm not really sure of it's usefulness either - for many travellers, it just seems to serve a similar function to the M25 around London linking national routes - when it's not totally bunged up. However, if you travel at 2am in the morning it can be a quick way around Paris ... ;o) Ever tried parking in Paris ? When (mmmh) you do arrive in roughly the area you want to mooch around, you'll end up somewhere completely different 'cos there is no parking - and have you ever been 'triple parked' hehe, it's quite interesting trying to get outa that kind of squeeze. So what's the point of getting there so fast (if) in the first place ? However, driving to you local station DOES make a lot of sense on a wet morning ...

Urban Freeways are only ever really acceptable in dense cities if they are mostly stuck in tunnels, in fact Boston did the right thing by burying most of it's central area freeways recently (well, if the tunnel roof's would stop falling in anyway).

Ehat about city lines now a days with teroorist threats what is the safest transportation sys.

Common theres got to be more

Singapore

1. Anti-terrorism measures

CCTVs in
- Buses (Being tested on some buses)
- Trains (Being tested on the older trains, the newer trains already have them)
- Subway Stations (CCTVs capable of recording digital images are being installed, and the number of CCTVs per station is being increased)

Transit Security (Security Guards)
- Bus Interchanges
- Subway Stations

Police MRT (Train) Unit
- Patrols Subway Stations and Bus Interchanges

Mailboxes and trashbins are removed from all bus interchanges and train stations and relocated to outside these premises.

2. Passenger safety

Platform screen doors
- Underground train stations

London Public Transport voted best in the World

London's public transport system has been voted the best in the world in a survey of international tourists.

The UK capital also topped the poll as the most expensive city for transport, holiday review site TripAdvisor showed.

A quarter of the 2,000 people asked said London was the best overall for public transport, 16% voted for New York and 12% for Paris.

London's cabbies came out as being the best while New York, Mexico City and Paris were said to have the worst.

Terrorist threats

More than 70% of travellers said they use public transport while on holiday and three-quarters of respondents said a city's public transport system was a consideration when choosing where to visit.

Of those asked 9% said they would avoid using public transport because of recent concerns about terrorist threats.

TripAdvisor's Michele Perry said: "London's public transport services get a lot of bad press but it seems that the international travelling community think it's the tops all round, even taking into account that it is also thought to be the most expensive.

"The fact that nearly 75% of travellers said they take public transport into consideration when planning their trips suggests that a quality system is of great importance to a city's tourism industry, not just its commuters."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5294790.stm

Wow when I think of psris I didnt know there was cabbys

The peripherique in Paris damages Paris because it forms a stinking ringfence around the more bijoux central areas. I'm not really sure of it's usefulness either - for many travellers, it just seems to serve a similar function to the M25 around London linking national routes - when it's not totally bunged up.Paris périphérique actually links residentials areas to business districts. La Défense, Val de Seine, La Plaine Saint Denis... all those business districts are located at the outskirts of the périphérique.

If you plan to use the périphérique in order to avoid Paris, then you're plain wrong, you actually go straight in the core of the city. I advise you to take the A86 or even the further Francilienne if you really want to avoid Paris. The périphérique is used for everyday's trips (mainly work and purchase).

Tokyo, without a question...

But if we go proportionally then probably Madrid wins considering its "small" size.

Metro de Madrid advertisment video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcZiYedePw

Metro de Madrid advertisment video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcZiYedePw

year, cool ad.

Strange that Vienna is NEVER mentioned. Apparently too little is known about the transport system over here. And remember that heavy rail/metro sytems are not always the best solution.

Vienna's metro and S-Bahn lines:

http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/vie/wien-map.gif

The tramway lines:
http://homepage.univie.ac.at/horst.prillinger/metro/m/largemap-tram.png

And, in addition there are dozens of bus lines.

Again, Remember: A good transport network should never be narrowed down to the number of subway lines.

Paris transportation system is the result of a very specific History. To summarize, at the conception of the metro system, it's been decided that the network wouldn't leave the administrative borders of the city of Paris. Unfortunately, what wasn't planned was that the city would continue to grow... and today, here's how it looks like:

http://mapage.noos.fr/marla13/paris_transport/carte1.jpg

Such a growth forced the metro network to expand. Unfortunately, the short distance between stations makes the network slow, and hence lines can't be expanded too far because it wouldn't be competitive. As a result, we have a very dense network, but only serving the very core of the urban area:

http://mapage.noos.fr/marla13/paris_transport/carte2.jpg

The idea was that suburban trains would be enough to serve the suburbs. Those suburban trains have been designed in the 19th century to serve neighbouring towns. Unfortunately, because of the growth of Paris, those towns located sparsely around Paris became fully part of the urban area.

As both the suburban trains and the metro don't share a lot of connections, all of Paris main rail stations have grown into monsters, each of them unloading hundreds of thousands of people every day. Here's a map showing the Paris metro and the Transilien suburban rails system as they exist today:

http://mapage.noos.fr/marla13/paris_transport/carte3.jpg

As you can see, the double system of metro and suburban rails became fastly outdated. Today, Paris inner suburbs are twice more densely populated than the inner London, and some of them even developped as business districts such as it's the case at La Défense, Levallois, La Plaine, or the Val de Seine. Those aeras couldn't continue any longer to be served by the same network as the one serving Mantes, Chartres, Meaux or Dreux. A third system was necessary, there was simply no choice. And that's how is born the RER.

The RER is a hybrid system being an integration of modern city-centre subway and pre-existing suburban rail. From the suburban rail, the RER has the loading gauge. From the metro, the RER has the frequency, the passengers trafic, and the connections. At the opposite of suburban rails, the RER serves almost exclusively the urban area and nothing else. Here's how the map looks once the RER added:

http://mapage.noos.fr/marla13/paris_transport/carte4.jpg

Granted, this system seems a lot less efficient than others you know. But despite this, Paris urban rail system is, by far, the network generating the most trafic in Western Europe. Here are details of figures for all kinds of public transports together

Paris public transports trafic (passengers a year)

Metro 1,335,700,000
RER 782,900,000
Suburban Trains 257,000,000
Bus (Paris+Suburbs) 940,000,000
Tramway 57,700,000
Other 6,600,000

Total 3,379,900,000


Now as we've seen, there's been misconceptions in the Paris urban rail system which has lead authorities to build three specific rail systems. On the other side, the Paris motorway network has develloped relatively smoothly with time and seems fully adapted for an urban area of this scale. Despite the good effects such a motorway network has on mobility, the bas point is that it discourages people to take public transports. Here's the current motorway network in the Paris urban area:

http://mapage.noos.fr/marla13/paris_transport/carte5.jpg

i wish the US rail system was as good as Europes.

i wish the US rail system was as good as Europes.
I couldnt of said it better my self spooky873.

Good analysis and maps Metropolitan


The London Underground network does not extend far into South London.
This is because, when the tube network was being constructed over 100 years ago, South London was relatively sparsely populated.
The region was just a collection of villages connected by roads.

In these maps, we can see the difference in coverage:


Metro network North of the Thames

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1095/lulnxy3.jpg


Metro network South of the Thames

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7807/lulstn8.jpg


South London's relatively low and sparse population, however, made it ideal to build overground railway, connecting the village centres.
Over the years, these villages have grown and interwoven into one city (London).
This is why South is extensively covered by overground heavy rail, and why most of the major rail terminii (Charing X, Cannon St. Victoria, Blackfriars, Waterloo & London Bridge) serve south London:

Overground Heavy Rail - North of the Thames (pop +5 million)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4225/northrailae3.jpg

Overground Heavy Rail - South of the Thames (pop 3 million)

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1076/southrailvu8.jpg

very interesting maps se9 and metropolitan

YA neat great job

Does any one have any renderings of any airports or new train stops to be disigned

One city that doesn't get mentioned a lot is Budapest. It's a fairly large city with a population around 2 million and the public transport in Budapest is excellent. Within the entire populated area of Budapest you are never further than 400 metres from a stop or station and the centre is extensively pedestrianised.

In fact Budapest boasts Europe's second oldest metro! Line 1 (the Millenium Metro) was planed in 1870 and opened in 1896. Lines 2 and 3 were built in the 1970's. Convientiently all 3 lines meet a single interchange station. Line 4 is currently under construction, linking the two main rail stations in Buda and Pest and construction of line 5 is due to start next year. In addition to this, line 2 is due for extensive rennovation as well as expansion to the airport. Whist the system is far from being the world's most expansive and the full length of the three metro lines is only 31.7km comprising 40 stations (with 12 new stations under construction) it is extremely efficient.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Budapest_Metro_Map.PNG
Map of the Budapest Metro

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Budapest_Foeldalatti_Opera_Station.jpg/800px-Budapest_Foeldalatti_Opera_Station.jpg
Budapest Foeldalatti Opera Station on Line 1

In addition to the metro Budapest is also well served by an extensive tram network. There are 35 tram lines throughout the city and line 4-5 is Europe's highest capacity operating with the world's longest tram (54 metres!)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/Hajto_balint_k.jpg
The World's longest tram!

Four light rail lines called Hev also serve the city and whilst they are mostly suburburban a few stations are underground near the centre. Budapest also has a fleet of electric trolly buses, buses and a short cog-wheel railway. The nightbus service is also excellent and well frequented. And more than anything - the transport is CHEAP and very well frequented and serves the entire city.

The major drawback in Budapest is that much of the rolling stock is decrepid, communist made and long past it's use by date. Some of the trams are over 40 years old. However, it is slowly being replaced and the lines extended. It may not be the cleanest or most state of the art system in the world, but it works very well, keeps cars off the streets and commuters moving. What's the point in having flashy trains if nobody's on them and they don't go anywhere?

(And I am not Hungarian! I just think the system there works wonderfully)

Ya but it doesnt look so modern Any way who knows anything about bejing, and shanghai.

whoa i cant believe seoul is not mentioned here yet! (unless i missed it :sleepy: )
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Seoul_Subway_Map_ver2.png
the rides are really cheap; fares start from 800 won or around 80 cents and are cheaper for children. i think the fares for older generation is free? not sure about this but my granddad got tickets for free all the time
according to wikipedia, it has the third largest number of passengers per year after Tokyo and Moscow and has the 5th largest number of stations :) (though these infos vary from different sources) and the system keeps expanding!

Wow thats huge I also cannot believe it wasnt mentioned yet lol

Anyways anyone got any pics of one of these citys at Rush hour...

Seoul's subway stations

http://www.globalphotos.org/southkorea/20050919/SEOUL03-S01-017.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/southkorea/20050918/SEOUL02-S03-278.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/southkorea/20050920/SEOUL04-S03-0387.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/southkorea/20050919/SEOUL03-S01-013.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/southkorea/20050919/SEOUL03-S01-028.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/southkorea/20050919/SEOUL03-S01-340.jpg

Anyways anyone got any pics of one of these citys at Rush hour...For the matter, the Paris RER at rush hours is a real shame. It probably sums up the best all the inadequacies of the Paris transportation system.

Here are few shots... the worst is that, for all those pics, it's been generally less than 2 minutes that the last train has left the platform. Indeed there's a train every 90 to 150 seconds on RER lines at rush hour. Afterwards, we can still laugh about Japanese pushers filling up trains. We're not that far from it. :(

http://mapage.noos.fr/gogf/RER/RER-A_Auber_3.jpg

http://mapage.noos.fr/gogf/RER/RER-B_Chatelet_2.jpg

http://mapage.noos.fr/gogf/RER/RER-A.jpg

http://mapage.noos.fr/marla13/foule_rer.jpg

Seoul's subway is very efficient, clean with big wagons. They are now also installing elevator-like doors on many platforms, to prevent people from falling on the rails.
But it lacks night buses. like London..and its great ticketing system.
Therefore London still has the best transport network.

Soels looks nice but psris i cant believe people don't ever fall off the plattforms.

Soels looks nice but paris i cant believe people don't ever fall off the plattforms.

Sorry about the double post who about dubai hat are they planning

Sorry about the double post who about dubai what are they planning

Sorry about the double post who about dubai what are they planning

Well, transportation systems is very broad so, it is very tuf to give out certain cities that have the "best", but I give a few for thought!

NYC, London, Tokyo, Chicago, HK, Toronto, Paris....these cities have some of the best in transportation systems in every category and most of them being the dominant in each transportation system!

Sorry about the quadruple post..

What station is the most jam paked Central or main train station

Hello does anyone have any maps

Hk rail expamsion ive heard about it but i dont know anything else anybody have info

Some info over Los Angeles maps and pics i found
www.transit-rider.com/ca.losangeles/index.cfm
Map
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6352/socalcomraildj1.gif (http://imageshack.us)
Guys common you can post more than this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but my favorite is Edinburgh, Scotland. There's so rail system there, but the buses are more convenient and more reliable than more developed rail networks. Of course, if Edinburgh was any larger, the buses wouldn't work as well, but with regards to covering the city in an efficient manner, Edinburgh has my vote.

Barcelona's is nice too. As for the war between the big boys, my vote goes to London, then NYC.

Do you have any maps dude

Doeas anyone have rail expansions map

Paris, then Paris, and then Paris again.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3056/madrid1sy5.jpg
Madrid is the capital of Spain in the south of E.U. and is located in the centre of the Iberian Peninsula at 667m of altitude and with over 6 million people living in an area of 7995km2 (1,2% of the country). Its GIP is 29% bigger than the E.U. GIP, with some 30.000Euros in 2005. The Madrid Metro is one of the most extensive and fastest-growing metro networks in the world, it is now the second largest metro system in Europe, second only to London's Underground. The metropolitan area of Madrid is also served by an extensive commuter rail network called Cercanías. The area is served by Barajas International Airport with a current passenger volumes range upwards of 44 million passengers per year, putting it in the top 20 busiest airports in the world. Last February the new Terminal 4 became the biggest European airport terminal and it doubled the capacity of the airport to more than 70 Millions passengers per year. Madrid has 3 completed round ring freeways (M-30, M-40 and M-50) and one half ring freeway (M-45) in the south, the most populated area after the city itself, 991.787 people living just in 6 small municipalities (Mostoles, Fuenlabrada, Alcorcon, Getafe, Leganés and Parla) which formed what is called "the great south".

Some net/other threads posted pics:
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3578/madrid2135ho1rc.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/521/madrid1535wwaz4.jpg

Train system (subway and local trains) in 2007:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1646/pith5xh.jpg
http://three.fsphost.com/gallardon/a/pi.jpg
(Greatest map of Madrid train system I'v seen, made and posted by our mate Dirdam)
http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/epica/2005/winners/films/screenshots/images/07505_10.jpg
http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/epica/2005/winners/films/screenshots/images/07505_01.jpg
http://www.espanolsinfronteras.com/imágenes/Madrid%20-%20Estación%20del%20metro.jpg
http://urbanrail.net/eu/mad/L8-aeropuerto1.jpghttp://external.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundo/imagenes/2006/03/02/1141311924_0.jpg
http://www.cuerpo8.es/STOL/reportajes/imgtrenesrenfe/Cercanias.jpg
http://www.rayovallecano.es/03/elclub/metromadrid.jpg

Freeways sytem:
http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/4815/greatmadridsketchmapofmainhigh.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9634/20050805elpepunac6ilcofg5.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3108/panotorres0wz.jpg
http://www.munimadrid.es/Principal/EnlacesHome/Calle30/galeria/mayo2006/colmenar_2.jpg
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/8287/imaxe030m19xl.jpg

Links to other Madrid transportation threads:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=366718&page=1&pp=20
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=367380
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=375491
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=361631
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=138759

Videos:
Some highway aerials:
http://www.munimadrid.es/Principal/EnlacesHome/Calle30/Pres1/calle30.htm
Metro de Madrid advertisment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcZiYedePw

Amazing do you know what the current ridership of Paris and Madrid are ne one

I think Madrid is the best.

Top Europe
Subway annual ridership

Moscow Metro 2.603 billion
Paris Métro 1.336 billion (RER not include)
London Underground 970 million ( approx 1.036 billion with the DLR)
Saint Petersburg Metro 821 million
Madrid Metro 616 million

As we're talking about annual riderships, here are details about Paris and London public transportations figures. As you can see, despite volumes being highly similar as a whole, we see that they are actually distributed in very different ways. While buses in London represent more than half of journeys, the distribution is more balanced in Paris between the metro, the bus and the RER.Annual ridership on London public transports (2004/2005)
in millions of journeys a year.

Bus 1,793.0 54.5%
Tramlink 18.0 0.5%
Docklands LR 50.1 1.5%
Underground 976.0 29.6%
Suburban Trains 455.0 13.8%

Total 3,292.1 100.0%Annual ridership on Paris public transports (2004)
in millions of journeys a year.

Bus (Paris+Suburbs) 940.0 27.8%
Tramway 57.7 1.7%
Metro 1,335.7 39.5%
RER 782.9 23.2%
Suburban Trains 257.0 7.6%
Other 6.6 0.2%

Total 3,379.9 100.0%

Where is the tramlink with 18 millions journey ?

Annual ridership on London public transports (2004/2005)
in millions of journeys a year.

Bus 1,793.0 54.8%
Docklands LR 50.1 1.5%
Underground 976.0 29.8%
Suburban Trains 455.0 13.9%

Total 3,274.1 100.0%

Where is the tramlink with 18 millions journey ?Thanks Minato and sorry for this ommission. I hadn't seen Tramlink in Transport for London's annual report. :)

Does anyone know about Frankfurt
any more maps and pics

for moscow
Annual ridership on Moscow public transports (2005)
in millions of journeys a year.

Bus 2 309,4 (possibly Mosgortrans only)
Tram 522,2
Trolleybus 721,8
Metro 2 603,2
Suburban Trains 408,0

Total 6 564,6 (possibly does not include private bus operators)

I thought moscow had more ridership than london

Surely the top three in Europe

Moscow

Annual ridership on Moscow public transports (2005)
in millions of journeys a year.

Bus 2 309,4 (possibly Mosgortrans only)
Tram 522,2
Trolleybus 721,8
Metro 2 603,2
Suburban Trains 408,0

Total 6 564,6 (possibly does not include private bus operators)

Paris

Annual ridership on Paris public transports (2004)
in millions of journeys a year.

Bus (Paris+Suburbs) 940.0 27.8%
Tramway 57.7 1.7%
Metro 1,335.7 39.5%
RER 782.9 23.2%
Suburban Trains 257.0 7.6%
Other 6.6 0.2%

Total 3,379.9 100.0%

London

Annual ridership on London public transports (2004/2005)
in millions of journeys a year.

Bus 1,793.0 54.5%
Tramlink 18.0 0.5%
Docklands LR 50.1 1.5%
Underground 976.0 29.6%
Suburban Trains 455.0 13.8%

Total 3,292.1 100.0%

Please show the annual ridership of NYC Tokyo Seoul HK Madrid..

Railway (subway, JR, private rails) annual ridership in Tokyo metro area is over 13,000 million, or roughly double the figure of Moscow, Paris and London combined according to the source provided above.

This page at the Yokohama city website lists ridership within city limits only in 2004:
http://www.city.yokohama.jp/me/stat/daitoshi/new/h130600.html

Railway (subway + JR + private railways + new transit) ridership

Tokyo ku-area 7,580 million
Osaka 1,977
Yokohama 1,279
Nagoya 671.5
Kawasaki 457.2
Kobe 452.6
Kyoto 400.3

Toky is amazingly crowded whats it look like at rush hour any pictures?

Moscow, Russia has the most intensely used metro-system.
I heard Tokyo's subways are quite overcrowded too.
The Athens Mass-transit seems to be very good to, and modern.
The Paris Mass-transit is very complex, but old, and need to be modernized.
The Berlin Subway is very extensive, and the S-bahn (Lightrail) is very extensive too. They also have a large network of metrobuses.
Madrid has a rapid growing Subwaynetwork. I guess there is Europe's future in mass-transit.
I think the London mass-transit is quite overrated, well everything on London is overrated here; the ringroad, number of inhabitands, size, traffic etc.

Toky is amazingly crowded whats it look like at rush hour any pictures?

http://neuropolitics.org/Tokyotrain.jpg

http://www.hunkabutta.com/photos/fullsize/guy_crowd_train.jpg

http://www.3deearts.com/tokyo/tokyo/shibuya/shibuya_crowded.jpg
^^shibuya station

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/SSPOD/superstock_112x-8522_b~Crowded-Subway-Tokyo-Japan-Posters.jpg

http://www.japannewbie.com/images/traincrowd.jpg

large map of the railroad system (http://www.mukiryoku.com/tokyosuburban.gif)

I think the London mass-transit is quite overrated, well everything on London is overrated here; the ringroad, number of inhabitands, size, traffic etc.

I don't think we can overrate official census info.

Moscow, Russia has the most intensely used metro-system.
I heard Tokyo's subways are quite overcrowded too.
The Athens Mass-transit seems to be very good to, and modern.
The Paris Mass-transit is very complex, but old, and need to be modernized.
The Berlin Subway is very extensive, and the S-bahn (Lightrail) is very extensive too. They also have a large network of metrobuses.
Madrid has a rapid growing Subwaynetwork. I guess there is Europe's future in mass-transit.
I think the London mass-transit is quite overrated, well everything on London is overrated here; the ringroad, number of inhabitands, size, traffic etc.

I am rather perplexed why you've added Athens to this list, which has one of the smallest metro networks for a large European city.

re: Paris: The Paris metro is one of the oldest in the world, and yet highly modernized in many ways. It's age contributes to it's wonderful character, and only has a few negative aspects such as limited escalators (a problem found in any older network). It is brilliantly extensive in the Paris city proper area and possibly the densest metro in the world, and is complemented beautifully by the RER and other suburban lines.

re: London: I find it odd how you claim it to be overrated. The system was rated recently by a magazine that questioned travellers from around the world as the most popular metro network. It is the oldest in the world, and like Paris, with many modern enhancement's. It does suffer from delays and problems due to the age of the tracks and tunnels in many area’s, but it is also the largest metro network in the world in regards to route length. Complimented by a massive suburban and metropolitan rail network and possibly the world’s largest bus network. If it is overrated, it isn’t from my point of view.

It's not about how big a city is, or how large the subway-network is. It is about the BEST transport system. Maybe it's just a middle-sized city somewhere in Asia or Europe. Maybe it's a giant city in Southern America. Quality over Quantity. :)

It's not about how big a city is, or how large the subway-network is. It is about the BEST transport system. Maybe it's just a middle-sized city somewhere in Asia or Europe. Maybe it's a giant city in Southern America. Quality over Quantity. :)

It’s a good point, but then why did you put Athens in there? Athens is a very big city with a comparatively very small public transit network. As far as the South American cities, it is the same. Those giant cities may have a metro network that is not too bad, but for the size of the city they are not as good as they could be.

Zürich? Amsterdam? Stockholm? Oslo? Berlin? Köln? Toulouse?

MADRID:

URBAN BUS LINE: 194 Lines
About 2000 vehicles
(www.emtmadrid.es)

UNDERGROUND NETWORK (METRO SYSTEM):

12 Lines
226 kilometers (307 km in spring 2007)

RAILWAY URBAN NETWORK (CERCANIAS)

12 Lines in conexion with Metro network
339 kilometers

(www.cmt-madrid.es)
(www.urbanrail.net)

MADRID:

URBAN BUS LINE: 194 Lines
About 2000 vehicles
(www.emtmadrid.es)

UNDERGROUND NETWORK (METRO SYSTEM):

12 Lines
226 kilometers (307 km in spring 2007)

RAILWAY URBAN NETWORK (CERCANIAS)

12 Lines in conexion with Metro network
339 kilometers

(www.cmt-madrid.es)
(www.urbanrail.net)

Sorry: www.ctm-madrid.es

What do you get if you add the route lengths of the Madrid Metro (227km), Paris Metro (212.5km), New York Subway (368km), the Moscow Metro (278.3km) and the Hong Kong MTR (91km) with a spare 19.2 route km?

;)

^third account :ohno:

btw MM is 278.8km since september.

If you like the densest the busiest and one of dirtiest subway in E.U

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Paris_metro3_-_louise_michel_-_entrance.jpg/450px-Paris_metro3_-_louise_michel_-_entrance.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Entree-station-pont-de-sevr.jpg/800px-Entree-station-pont-de-sevr.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Metrto-Paris-Guichet-Statio.jpg/800px-Metrto-Paris-Guichet-Statio.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Ligne-13-invalides-portes-a.jpg/800px-Ligne-13-invalides-portes-a.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Metro-Paris-Rame-serie-MF77-ligne-8-station-Concorde.jpg/800px-Metro-Paris-Rame-serie-MF77-ligne-8-station-Concorde.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Metro-Paris-ligne-1-Pont-de.jpg/795px-Metro-Paris-ligne-1-Pont-de.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Rame-MF2000-en-stationnemen.jpg/800px-Rame-MF2000-en-stationnemen.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Sprague_-_MF_2000.jpg/800px-Sprague_-_MF_2000.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Station_Abbesses_Ligne_12_-_Escalier_d%27entr%C3%A9e_01-03-06.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Metro-Paris-Rame-MP59-Ligne-4.jpg/800px-Metro-Paris-Rame-MP59-Ligne-4.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Metro-Paris-Rame-MP-73-Lign.jpg/800px-Metro-Paris-Rame-MP-73-Lign.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Metro-Paris-Ligne-4-2-Stati.jpg/800px-Metro-Paris-Ligne-4-2-Stati.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Paris_Metro_St_Lazare.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Rame-MF88-a-Louis-BLANC.jpg/800px-Rame-MF88-a-Louis-BLANC.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Artsmetier.jpg/800px-Artsmetier.jpg

If you like the busiest Hybrid system (Subway and commuter train) in europe

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Auber-RER-Paris-2005-Hall-2.jpg/750px-Auber-RER-Paris-2005-Hall-2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/RER-A_Etoile.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/RER-A_Etoile_2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/RER-B_Luxembourg.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/RER-B_Chatelet.jpg/766px-RER-B_Chatelet.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/RER-B.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/RER-B_La-Plaine.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/RER-Paris-ligne-E-Rame-Z225.jpg/800px-RER-Paris-ligne-E-Rame-Z225.jpg

Tramway (One of smallest tram system in Europe 4 line in 2007 and the 4 lines will have no link)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/P1100007_T1_a_DrancyAvenir.JPG/800px-P1100007_T1_a_DrancyAvenir.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/T1_a_bobigny_pablo_picasso.jpg/800px-T1_a_bobigny_pablo_picasso.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Paris_tramway-T2.jpg/800px-Paris_tramway-T2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Rame-T2-au-terminus-Issy.jpg/800px-Rame-T2-au-terminus-Issy.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Paris-tramway.jpg/800px-Paris-tramway.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Tramway_Paris_T3_essai_a_quai_Garigliano_2_mai_2006b.JPG/800px-Tramway_Paris_T3_essai_a_quai_Garigliano_2_mai_2006b.JPG

One of busiest bus system in Europe

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Bus_ArticuleParis.jpg/800px-Bus_ArticuleParis.jpg
http://public-transport.net/bus/Paris/par_pic/8121_17.jpg
http://public-transport.net/bus/Paris/par_pic/8032_65.jpg
http://public-transport.net/bus/Paris/par_pic/8121_15.jpg
http://public-transport.net/bus/Paris/par_pic/8119_31.jpg
http://public-transport.net/bus/Paris/par_pic/8119_34.jpg
http://public-transport.net/bus/Paris/par_pic/8141_87.jpg

One of most extensive and always in late suburban tain system in Europe

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/SNCF_Z_6534_Paris_St_Lazare.JPG/800px-SNCF_Z_6534_Paris_St_Lazare.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Automotrice-electrique-gare.jpg/800px-Automotrice-electrique-gare.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Habillage-transilien.jpg/800px-Habillage-transilien.jpg
http://www.compin.com/realisation_img/transilien.jpg

In result one of best transport system in the World

The best is Tokyo :runaway:

WOW

Londons Underground network is very good, but it would be nice to see some major investment in new lines and stations, extensively covering south of the thames and further out into the suburbs, this could then free up the surface rail networks for faster express services. The bus and train networks are very good, and are amongst the best in the world, masses of money are being spent upgrading surface rail transport, trains and stations accross the city, and the country, this investment will need to be sustained for a very long time however.
Ten years from now and London has the potential to have one of the most up to date public transport networks around, as long as the beaurocracy doesn't hinder progress too much (which, being the UK, it will unfortunately).

However, as far as roads/motorways are concerned, then yes, I'm afraid London is practically third world. Congestion charge or not, the fact remains that it takes over an hour to get from central london to the outer suburbs on most days at most times, the motorway access to airports is indeed crap as well, the M4 was built 40yrs ago, and a two lane dual carriageway from central london to the worlds busiest international airport is in my opinion a fucking joke, indeed as the whole cities road transport system is. Again, unlike the rest of the worlds cities, whose progress has for the most part remained unhindered, Londoners, and indeed most other UK cities, really have shit out thanks to beurocracy and nimbyism. Indeed 40 years ago, there was a plan to create arguably the worlds best and most efficient urban motorway system in London, check this out...

London Ringway System

...indeed, the 'stings' of motorway that are in the city today are actually the first signs of what would have been one truly enormous motorway network, probably as good as that of LA, Houston, Bangkok, etc. Imagine if the same fate had happened the victorians when the railways were proposed, we really would be in the shit then, eh!!!You've got to be kidding me - The Ringway network would have sliced all of London up. If you want to see what would have happened look no further than the M11 extension towards Stratford. Only a few years old yet its always jammed up and it destroyed dozens of very nice Victorian homes.

If the 4 Ringways had been built, London would now be a dead city. The fact is all over the world: if you build new roads, within a few years this new capacity will eventually be clogged up. Ringway would have enveloped London, as people would be stuck in a mass of roads that would have carved through Royal Parks, destroyed thousands of communites and knocked down so many historical structures that you could build a city with them. Fact is - you don't need to drive a car in London. The bus and rail network is more than sufficient.

The Périphérique in Paris is exactly why we shouldn't have a similar motorway around Central London: it acts as a wall around the City of Paris and the surrounding urban area - its a legacy that is now so dependent upon by car drivers.




London Buses: 1,816mn
London Underground: 971mn
National Rail: 719mn
DLR: 53.07
Tramlink: 22.5mn
London River: 2.3mn

Total: 3,583.87mn

(Source: TfL Annual Report 2006, ORR National Rail Trends Yearbook 2005-06)




If we take the original poster requirements of:
- Underground Railways
- Bus
- Trains
- Ports & River Services
- Airports

Then London comes out quite well.....


London Underground
- It has the largest underground/metro/subway network on the planet - with a whopping 408 route km. The London Underground is what built London - it seeded entire communities and brought together a whole host of historical villages into the urban blitz that we know as London. As well as being the worlds oldest it incorporates modern features such as PSD's, electronic display boards (at all station platforms), as well as automated trains and by the 2012 Olympics, air conditioned trains.

Contrary to what many people think - the system also has express and local lines (possibly even the first in the world). It is also continuing to expand with the East London Line Extensions to the north, south and west; the Metropolitan Line (the original metro) is due an extension; while the Piccadilly Extension to Heathrow Terminal 5 is nearing completition. All stations have either been cleaned up or modernised in the last 3 years or will be by 2012, while all lines will be getting new rolling stock.

Yet despite its age it all still manages to operate to around 97% standards (I believe the Hong Kong MTR is around 98-99%) and retains an identity that the vasy majority of networks around the world lack.




London Heavy Rail
The London Underground is already immense, but what most people forget is that it isn't actually the largest heavy rail network in London (ie within the political boundaries - not the metro area). The Network Rail network within London is nearly 2x larger - with a route km (not track km) of 788km (there is around 5,000km of commuter route km in the metro). That gives a whopping 1,196km - route km - within the 1,579km2 of London, to give an idea of the size of the London heavy rail network - its longer than the combined route km of:
- Madrid Metro
- Paris Metro
- New York Subway
- Moscow Metro
- Hong Kong MTR

And another 40km is being built within London at this precise moment with several new lines and extensions being planned.

The problem with the Network Rail network in London is that it covers several layers, much like Tokyo where there are a whole host of lines serviced by a multitude of train operators across hundreds of routes. Each operator has a multitude of lines that eventually wind their way into Central London and its 13 termini. These range from:
- London Bridge: the worlds oldest elevated station and oldest terminus
- London St Pancras: the beautiful terminus will become in 2008 the future home of Eurostar and Shinkansen services
- London Liverpool Street: busiest terminus in London
- London Paddington: iconic
- London Waterloo: largest by area
- London Victoria: most congested
As well as: London Euston, London Kings Cross, London Marylebone, London Moorgate, London Cannon Street, London Fenchurch Steet and London Charing Cross.

All are designed in a variety of styles from the 1830's to more modern 21st century designs - no other city offers as much diversity in terms of number of termini or architectural differences in termini.

London was also the first city in the world to have an airport express - city centre rail service. Today it offers three airport express services:
- London Heathrow Express
- London Gatwick Express
- London Stansted Express
London Luton essentially has its own airport express into London but this isn't a dedicated train to airport passengers, while the London City Airport now has a direct link to Central London thanks to the newly opened DLR extension. It is also possible to take a train without multiple local stops bewtween London Gatwick Airport and London Luton Airport through Central London. No other city comes close to providing so many heavy rail connections to so many airports.

London's Network Rail network is also heavily connected to the London Underground, creating multiple express lines and extra capacity - interchange is seamless. The entire London Heavy Rail network (excluding trams) has around 600 heavy rail stations within the city boundaries, while the metro has close to another 600 stations, meaning that London and its environs has a whopping 1,200 heavy rail stations; that may or may not be more or equal to that of Tokyo, but its definately larger than any other city in the world. London is also the only city in the world that will operate the fastest British trains, Italian tilting Pendolino trains, French TGV-inspired 300kph Eurostars and coming in 2008 - Japanese Shinkansens!

The variety of trains from HSR, commuter, metro and historical is simply vast - no other city has close to as many varied trainsets. On top of that, London and its surroundings has dozens of rail lines that are dedicated to historical trains, while numerous other historic services (such as the Cathedral Express which just travels to cathedral cities in the UK) originate from London.

The network continues to expand, 2007 will see the opening of the CTRL link into London St Pancras. 2008 will see the opening of the new Heathrow Express extension to the u/c Heathrow Terminal 5, while the Crossrail, Crossrail 2, Crossrail 3 and Thameslink schemes are quickly coming forward.




London Buses
The bus system is hard to measure in London, its massive - handles more people than all other public transport modes combined in London. Across its 700 routes and 6,500 scheduled buses (ie those running, not the entire fleet) it has coverage like no other mode - every community is next door to a bus route and you could be anywhere in London and only 5mins walk from a bus stop. The network is however more than just a transport mode, its a world wide icon - the red double decker bus is probably the most easily identifiable mode of any city other than perhaps the tube train.




London Light Rail (DLR & Tramlink)
London used to have a vast tram network, unfortunately it vanished after WWII as it made way for the bus network. Today however there are two networks and more are being planned. The first is the DLR - its more like a light rail-heavy rail hybrid, with the frequency, capacity and speed of some heavy rail networks from around the world, yet the high density stations of light-rail. It is one of the few networks in the world to be fully automated and covers 31km and 38 stations - alone it could serve most cities. It is also the fastest growing network in London, by 2012 the Woolwich Arsenal Extension, Stratford International Extension and Barking Reach Extension should be built. In the near future the network could be well over double its size and close towards 100km in length with dozens more stations.

The Tramlink network is slightly smaller (covers 38 stations and 28km) and is a a tram system that operates from Wimbledon through Croydon and out to a few South-Eastern areas of London. Its popularity and success have seen multiple extensions planned and the Croydon Tramlink network could quite easily double in length over the coming years. Yet other seperate tram networks are in planning around London - from the West London Tram, City Tram, Cross-River Tram, East London Tram, North London Tram and Greenwich Maritime Tram. Recent news is that the longest shoppping street in the world: Oxford Street which is congested by buses and served by the Central Line underground would be complemented by a brand new tram line.




London River Services
The network is not as large as the other main transport modes and that is reflected by its lower volume of passengers, yet the network is still pretty extensive along the River Thames. There are 9 river service lines serving 23 'river stations' - each connected to one or all the London Underground, Network Rail, London Buses and DLR




London Personal Rapid Transit
London in 2008 will also be the first city on the planet to have a personal rapid transit (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/20/npods20.xml) network that will essentially act like an automated taxi with a maximum capacity of 4 people across a 30mile network underneath London Heathrow Airport (which will also be exported to be used at the other London airports). The idea is that you could take a PRT vehicle from the foyer of your hotel or from your car and go direct to the check-in desk. It wil also mean that transfers between terminals will be the quickest on the planet - 10mins as you'd be contained within a system that would take you to directly where you need to go without any fuss.




London Airports
London is the worlds premier air hub - no other city offers as many destinations as London across its 5 international airports:
- London Heathrow - world's busiest international airport
- London Gatwick - world's 7th busiest international airport
- London Stansted - world's 14th busiest international airport
- London Luton
- London City

All now handle a massive 135mppa - thats more than all passengers flying into the likes of France or Germany and clearly above the 2nd tier of global aviation hubs (Tokyo, Chicago, New York and Paris - all around 90mppa - around a 1/3 lower than London). Heathrow is getting a face lift, with the new Heathrow T5 opening in less than 2 years, while Heathrow East will open in 2012 practically redesigning the entire airport to bring it into the 21st century. Stansted is also getting another runway and new terminal to ensure that it can cope with the growth from Easyjet and Ryanair, while London City, London Luton and London Gatwick (the worlds longest air bridge is now open at London Gatwick Airport) are also seeing massive investment to ensure that London will be able to handle the expected 300-400mppa that will pass through its five international airports.

London also has a few dozen smaller airports dotted around that offer executive flights or smaller charter flights, these handle around 2mppa themselves.




London simply has so much. A vast underground railway, a vast heavy rail network, an immense bus network, a rapidly expanding light rail network, the worlds premier aviation hub and the worlds first PRT. It might not all be clean, and it doesn't always work to plan, but 97% of the time it does and at the same time you're travelling on a network that set the standard for all other networks on the planet. I think it offers the best all-round package for movement both within the city and around the planet and it continues to improve upon its 200 year history.

London Heavy Rail Map

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1835/londoncityheavyrailmap2006pv7.jpg


Metro London Heavy Rail Map

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2592/londonmetroheavyrailmap2006rd6.jpg


London Bus Map

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6217/londonbusmapzn8.jpg


Central London Bus Map

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1108/londoncentralbusmap2006rm6.jpg


London River Services

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1923/londonriverservicemapjp7.jpg

Paris transportation Maps

Heavy rail and RER in Paris metro area Map
http://www.transilien.com/FR/carte/img/MapIdf.gif

Metro RER and Tramway in Paris Map
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/gif/reseaux/metro.gif

Bus Maps PDF
Paris 75 (Central city )
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/bus_paris_geo.pdf
Seine Saint Denis 93 (North inner suburbs)
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur8.pdf
Seine Saint Denis 93 (North inner suburbs)
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur7.pdf
Haut de Seine 92 (North west inner suburbs)
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur6.pdf
Haut de Seine 92 (West inner suburbs)
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur5.pdf
Haut de Seine 92 (West inner suburbs)
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur4.pdf
Haut de Seine 92 and Val de Marne 94 (South inner suburbs)
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur13.pdf
Essone 91 (South outer suburbs)
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur14.pdf
Val de Marne 94 (South East inner suburbs )
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur12.pdf
Saint Saint Denis 93 (East inner suburbs )
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur10.pdf
Seine et Marne 77 (East outer suburbs)
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur11.pdf
Seine Saint Denis 93 (North East inner suburbs )
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/secteur/secteur9.pdf
Night Bus Nocilien
http://www.ratp.info/picts/plans/pdf/reseaux/noctilien.pdf

LOL
London's transport is so crappy, that even an episode of Eastenders was devoted to it :laugh:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/eastenders/episodes/episode_content/episode20060911.shtml

Best transport in London?

Whooah, yeah, 4 years behind on the communication system - they're still using smoke signals as we speak. Quite a surprise no train got drowned in London and its famously leaking waterlines :laugh:

London's tubes don't even run at night :laugh:

I'd hardly call Eastenders - a soap opera as gospel truth of the real situation of the system my cucumber-confused chum!

It will delight you then that those leaking waterline aren't leaking. Had you done your research, you'd fine that its because of geology that water enters the system (however this has not been significant to the running of the system - dutchmen throwing themselves in the path of oncoming trains over cucumbers would be a more likely disturbance to the running of the system) via the surrounding rock and soils, water naturally will find its way through any tunnel which runs through geology that can contain large amounts of water. It is however not down to leaking watermains which are interestingly despite their age far superior to modern systems. You will be interested to know however that that water will be used in an ingenious idea to create an air conditioning system for the tube network! Use a problem to solve another - ingenious!

Actually the tube does run at night - they run until 12:30, as like with the majority of systems around the planet - they close down for maintenance. Its interesting to note that systems that do operate 24hours tend to be far more run-down, hence why there are so few around and I don't believe that you get value for money or use the network efficiently. Tokyo for instance despite its immense rail network size, superb efficiency and immense volumes goes into sleep mode - the reason is simple. You can't offer a good or reasonable service if you don't shut down the system to make upgrades or clean the place up.

Suprised you haven't brought up your superman driven Arnhem trolleybuses that travel faster than the speed of light! :laugh:

LOL
London's transport is so crappy, that even an episode of Eastenders was devoted to it :laugh:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/eastenders/episodes/episode_content/episode20060911.shtml



Ah yes, the man who thinks cucumbers are sold also in halves in the UK because everyone there is so poor they can't afford a full one, has spoken again. :lol:

And making up stories. There was never an episode devoted to the Underground, let alone devoted to problems of the Underground. The episode cucumber man tried to deceive us with, simply had a section where one of the characters was in the Tube when it stopped for a time between stations and had a verbal argument with some other guy because he had some family stress at home.

I've spent a similar amount of time stuck between stations on the U-bahn in Frankfurt. Maybe Eastenders should dedicate an episode to that :lol:

Hmmm, I think I have just admitted I watch Eastenders... :runaway:

Guys stop it

Heres one
Las vegas it is very convienient with traffic just bellow on the strip!

Heres one
Las vegas it is very convienient with traffic just bellow on the strip!
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9922/untitledta4.png (http://imageshack.us)

Sorry about the duble post

Is the best mass transit system necissarily the biggest?
Hong Kong's transport system is fairly small, but definately my favourite system on the planet. No system in Europe (or North America of course) is close to it when it comes to cleanliness, punctuality (word?), efficiency etc.
And I have used all the 'big ones' and 'best ones' (London, Paris, Madrid, Berlin, Hong Kong, Moscow, New York, Hamburg, Munich, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Shanghai and so on...) in the world, except for Seoul and Japanese cities.

That said - London and Paris (which seem to be the main topics here) both have amazing public transportation systems.

Punctuality is not French :runaway:

What system has the fastest trains is it in bejing?

i dont want to brag but i do belive that london got voted the best public transport city in the world?????? and my god do i love half cucumbers thats all i can afford

Iain was stuck in that train and started to hassle people and mouth off an older chap. I saw thàt episode, I knew what I wrote :laugh:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2006/03/30/running_dry_leaks_emails_feature.shtml

Anyway, I have written to James Cameron and in his reply he agreed that cutting fresh cucumbers in two is an outrage. It's all part of the new green conservative party agenda.

Not even I watch Eastenders, but I at least know that the character in question by the looks of it wasn't Ian, but Billy you fool. I bet it isn't even a real tube train, a mock design to allow filming (ie they can peice it together to get different angles)....afterall you do know that the 'Walford Tube Station' is fake and that they play tube train sounds - or do you think that there is a real Walford Tube Station. :laugh:

Considering that there are now well over 7.5mn people residing in London, 11 instances over the course of a year seem hardly problematic - I'd bet the Netherlands has far more problem of seepage...but then again that didn't prove that the London Underground was flooded as you made it out to be. Like with most things my clog-wearing friend - you lack substance. ;)

No seeping, love! In NL we don't drink, don't brag about our country, instead we work and make things work!

You really don't have a clue how tragically silly you look, with your bragging of - what Forbes ranks as the #14 infrastructure, as your #1.

Just imagine what you may have learned, kid, when you hadn't been bragging about 'your' country or your london for at least 3 years now.

And yes, it was Ian http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/eastenders/characters/character_content/character_ian_b.shtml

Do you enjoy looking like a complete twat?

Oh my, are we really discussing over an Eastenders episode?

I happen to have seen that one by the way, and the problem was apparently that some kids had pulled the emergency brake on the train ahead of them or something... can't blame LU for that.

But really, this is ridiculous, and Bikkel is doing the same as he has in the UK transport forums, and as he does when it comes to the big cities in the Netherlands in the Dutch forums.

You really are that stupid aren't you Bikkel to believe that this individual (Ian) is the same person on the tube train called Billy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/images/eastenders/characters/ian_b/char_ianbeale.jpg

This (note the set meant to resemble a District Line train with the green railings) clearly isn't Ian:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/images/eastenders/episodes/episode_images/20060911/section/section_6.jpghttp://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/images/eastenders/episodes/episode_images/20060911/section/section_8.jpghttp://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/images/eastenders/episodes/episode_images/20060911/section/section_10.jpghttp://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/images/eastenders/episodes/episode_images/20060911/section/section_12.jpg

Billy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/images/eastenders/characters/billy_m/char_billymitchell.jpg

Christ it wasn't even a real event but a soap opera! If Arnhem was imaginative enough then perhaps it could film a similar scene with its faster than light trolley buses!

Thanks once again for spoiling yet another thread - it seems to be the only thing you can manage these days.

Crikey, put the blame on me? I didn't bring up poor Lundun in the best transport sys thread, only fools and horses do :laugh: Doesn't change any from the fact that Eastenders included breakdowns in LU in an episode?

In fact I mentioned cities in Switzerland, Sweden, Germany and NL to perhaps have the best, none of you sad little wimps actually replied to that and, oh lo and behold when I dare to poke fun of those pathetically patriotic albions :laugh:

Thanks once again for spoiling yet another thread - it seems to be the only thing you can manage these days.No, sad little Nick, you spoil the entire forum with your London and UK jihad. Your city smells of piss and vomit, doesn't have trains and tubes running at night, and thus London has no place whatsoever in this thread.

Stop it

Does anyone know anything about the Los Angelos rail.

Stop it

Dallas, you can ask Bikkel to stop it as much as you like, but he never will. He needs the attention.

K then lets get back on topic

Dallas, you can ask Bikkel to stop it as much as you like, but he never will. He needs the attention.

Yep, let's get back on topic! Clearly London is not the city with the best transport sys!

Smells of piss and vomit, has no services at night. I mentioned a few cities that have better transport than LDN. Typically no one replied to that.

I suggest you give up your childish following of me. Just because you didn't get the pun of the cucumber threads ... How silly it is accusing someone of needing the attention. We all seem to, hence we give our opinions here.

Yep, let's get back on topic! Clearly London is not the city with the best transport sys!

Smells of piss and vomit, has no services at night. I mentioned a few cities that have better transport than LDN. Typically no one replied to that.

I suggest you give up your childish following of me. Just because you didn't get the pun of the cucumber threads ... How silly it is accusing someone of needing the attention. We all seem to, hence we give our opinions here.

Interesting comment. There are quite a few night services. How many cities have a better bus network at night? These are just the dedicated night services:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/central-london-night.pdf

These show all the maps (39 in total) with night services. Many normal services run 24/7.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/default.asp?borough=night

And becuase the service is at nights and traffic light, the transit time is quite good.

As for you attempted escape about the cucumber threads just being a pun. You actually spent weeks arguing your case. It wasn't a pun, you actually believed it.

And needing attention? Then why do you have more than one user name here ;)

How about Bejing how are they preparing for 2008 olympics?

Anyone know?

from urbanrail.net : http://www.urbanrail.net/as/beij/beijing.htm
There are ambitious plans to expand the subway network in the Chinese capital, which include both subways, light rail and suburban trains (see map). In preparation for the Olympic Games held in Beijing in 2008, the following projects are currently under construction:

1) Subway Line 5: The 27.6-km north-south subway will have 16.9 km and 16 stations underground and 10.7 km and six stations above ground. Construction officially started in Dec. 2002.

2) Subway Line 4: 28.6 km with 24 stations (Dec. 2003 - Dec. 2007)

3) Subway Line 10 with Olympic branch: 30.5 km with 26 stations (Dec. 2003 - Dec. 2007)

4) In Dec. 2000 construction of an 18.9 km elevated light metro began, it will link the eastern suburbs of Tongzhou to the subway terminus at Sihuidong (BA Wang Fan). This line is due to be finished in 2002.

I think that Tokyo has the best subway system in the world, and it's surely the most efective. Also the subway in other highly developed cities in Asia is realy good (like in HK or Singapore), but i think that the subway in London is the most beautiful in the world.

Thx a million Catle Bravo

from urbanrail.net : http://www.urbanrail.net/as/beij/beijing.htm


I think that Tokyo has the best subway system in the world, and it's surely the most efective. Also the subway in other highly developed cities in Asia is realy good (like in HK or Singapore), but i think that the subway in London is the most beautiful in the world.

Most people would say that on beauty alone, Moscow has the best underground system. What do you find striking about London's?

I love how only 2 people have had the balls to mention Toronto, I applaud your courage! Anyways, yes I agree the best is Tokyo, Toronto is only okay for a city its size.

Canadian Chocho have any map of Torontos system??? Also any pics of the cool green trains?

What about Dubai are they doing anything with the public tranportation system?

Here are some things I dug up ARE NOT MINE
Torontos map
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1236/torontogeographictransitlm0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Another of toronto
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/682/ttcv5fd2.png (http://imageshack.us)

Some i found of Dubai from ssp by Malec thx alot
Construction
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The train pics
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http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/97/06aedubaimetro035ay2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/9442/06aedubaimetro025ts2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7149/06aedubaimetro075hh8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6122/06aedubaimetro045dc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/565/dsc07539ok2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4645/dsc07529kh3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/2638/06aedubaimetro085ek7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Map of all
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5904/06aedubaimetro105ox6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Interesting comment. There are quite a few night services. How many cities have a better bus network at night? These are just the dedicated night services:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/central-london-night.pdf

These show all the maps (39 in total) with night services. Many normal services run 24/7.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/default.asp?borough=night

And becuase the service is at nights and traffic light, the transit time is quite good.

As for you attempted escape about the cucumber threads just being a pun. You actually spent weeks arguing your case. It wasn't a pun, you actually believed it.

And needing attention? Then why do you have more than one user name here ;)

So, you'd settle for quite a few busses in an alpha city that pretends to be the best. London's nightly transport is poor even when compared to a NL city of a pop. of under 150k ... And no smells of piss and vomit here like in binge drinking LDN.

Yeah, cucumbers.

I actually know how much cucumbers cost back then. I was in Britain dozens of times before you were even born, and yes I kept you busy, din't I? Thoroughly enjoyed the banter though. Fruits and vegetables have always been either unavailable or ghastly expensive in the UK, and you seem to forget that the NL hold like 90% of the UK's cucumber market. NL is the biggest food stuff exporter after the USA and France, well ahead of for example your down under or Ca Nada.

Talking completely useless subjects around here is said to be 'komkommernieuws' - news on cucumbers. You indeed never got the pun, hence the effort you once again put in yet another reply.

Anyway; all nice and fine, but why are we discussing the usual suspects? Köln has tremendous public transport. Köln has HSR running straight into the city. Board on HSR, then get off at 200 metres from its prime musea and the Dom.

I'm pretty certain the best PT is not to be found outside of Japan or Europe (NL, BRD, CH, SE, FR).

In Arnhem wheelchair users can board on busses without any effort. We'll now have busses that would allow for enough space for bikers with their bikes. There might be other countries with equally smooth hubs when using public transport but those certainly don't include the cities mentioned in this thread.

Using PT in LDN for example is awfully time consuming.

Ugh......

Does anyone know about Japans bullet trains?

The Shinkasen is not a real urban transport

Shinkansen Tōkaidō (Tōkyō - Shin-Ōsaka)
Shinkansen San'yo (Shin-Ōsaka - Hakata)
Shinkansen Tōhoku (Tōkyo - Hachinohe)
Shinkansen Jōetsu (Ōmiya - Niigata)
Shinkansen Hokuriku ou Shinkansen Nagano (Takasaki - Nagano)
Shinkansen Kyūshū (Shin-Yatsushiro - Kagoshima-Chuo)

mini Shinkansen
Shinkansen Yamagata (Fukushima - Shinjo)
Shinkansen Akita (Morioka - Akita)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/4/46/Shinkansen_map.png

Tokyo station
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Tokyo_Station_Marunouchi_side.jpg/800px-Tokyo_Station_Marunouchi_side.jpg

0 1963 - 1986 220 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/0a.jpg
100 1984 - 1991 220 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/100a.jpg
200 1980 - 1986 240 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/200a.jpg
300 1989 - 1998 270 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/300.jpg
400 1990 - 1992 240 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/400.jpg
500 1995 - 1998 300 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/500.jpg
700 1997 - 2004 285 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/700a.jpg
800 2003 260 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/800.jpg
E1 1994 - 1995 240 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/E1a.jpg
E2 1995 - 275 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/E2.jpg
E3 1995 - 275 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/E3a.jpg
E4 1997 - 240 Kph
http://hisaai-hp.hp.infoseek.co.jp/Shinkansen/E4.jpg

Awsome great pics
Wish amtrak would smatin up and build awsome like that.

Anyone know about Shanghia?

Are you just asking questions now to keep your thread going? If you're really curious you could look up those systems, and if you think they're worth putting in this thread, do it yourself.

Anyone know about Shanghia?

http://www.021dh.com/img/tupian/ditie.gif

Shanghai currently has 5 lines in operation, with 4 more currently under construction. Check out the key in the lower right corner of the pic and count the first 5 color bars then find them on the map to see which ones are in operation as of now.

Just wonder: best metro(undeground system carrying per capita) is in Prague(population is just 1mil)
but per year carry 500 mil people. So I nominate Prague
Can compleat wit much bigger cites like Moscow,London..both over 8-10 mil population

Not really

Tokyo Metro 2.819 billion
Moscow Metro 2.603 billion 2005
Seoul Metro 2.340 billion 2005
New York City Subway 1.449 billion 2005
Mexico City Metro 1.442 billion 2004
Paris Métro 1.336 billion 2004
London Underground 976 million 2005

But the best underground is is not forcing the largest.

Prague Metro
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Prague_metro_plan_2006.svg/766px-Prague_metro_plan_2006.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Prague_metro_Kobylisy_station_01.JPG/800px-Prague_metro_Kobylisy_station_01.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Praha%2C_Malostransk%C3%A1%2C_vlak.jpg/800px-Praha%2C_Malostransk%C3%A1%2C_vlak.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Prague_metro_station_Nadrazi_Holesovice.jpg/800px-Prague_metro_station_Nadrazi_Holesovice.jpg

Really nice subway :)

For its size (city: 556,000; MSA: 2 million) Portland, Oregon has a very good transportation system. It should be noted that all of Portland's systems have funding for major expansion.

LightRail (serves inner city and major suburbs):
http://www.lightrailnow.org/facts/fa_por-lrt_2005-map.htm
http://www.lightrailnow.org/images/c-porth1.jpg
http://www.friends4expo.org/images/portland.jpg

Street Car (serves downtown):
http://portlandstreetcar.org/images/map0811.gif
http://www.railwaypreservation.com/vintagetrolley/Portland_Streetcar_30_sm.JPG
http://www.portlandbridges.com/photoimagefiles/portland-street-scenes-dreb0img09279-s.jpg

Bike/Pedestrian:
http://www.transalt.org/bikethestrike/images/6thave.jpg
http://www.pova.org/meeting_planners/green_meetings/images/cyclists_esplanade.jpg

I think that Pyongyang's subway system is one of the best in the world. It's clean and artistic. They are also very good at saving the electricity. They basically use Berlin's U-Bahn trains for subway and Czech's trams.

http://uk.geocities.com/hkgalbert/kpmap12.gif
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/2020/nk077re8pu.jpg
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/7880/nk080re8yh.jpg
http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/pyongyang/subway03.jpg
http://www1.korea-np.co.jp/pk/102nd_issue/Pyang_St.jpg
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4346/20051015025gd.jpg
http://www.farrail.com/bilder/Nordkorea/nk-dez2003/u-bahn-+-fuehrer.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Dorasan.jpg
http://www.travel-images.com/korean49.jpg
http://img108.exs.cx/img108/4236/nk084re2qn.jpg
http://www.zh62.dial.pipex.com/trains/pics03/nk03148.jpg
http://farrail.de/bilder/galerie/galerie17-nordkorea-feb-2003/u-bahn-station+obus+benz.jpg

Lyon 465,300
Metro area 1,648,216

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Plan-Lyon-Metro-Tramway.svg/625px-Plan-Lyon-Metro-Tramway.svg.png

Lyon subway 1978

4 lines 226.1 millions commuters

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Rame-ligne-A.jpg/800px-Rame-ligne-A.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Station-gorge-de-loup-ligne.jpg/800px-Station-gorge-de-loup-ligne.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Detail-rame-ligne-C.jpg/723px-Detail-rame-ligne-C.jpg

Lyon tramway 2001
2 lines + 1 under in construction opening in december 2006

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Tram_lyon_04.jpg/800px-Tram_lyon_04.jpg

I think that Pyongyang's subway system is one of the best in the world. It's clean and artistic. They are also very good at saving the electricity. They basically use Berlin's U-Bahn trains for subway and Czech's trams.


Pyongyang use reformed Berlin U bahn trains and old Czech's tram.

I think the picture with the soldier was taken in South Korea...

I think so too.

The hall of this station is too modern and it has english inscription and information hall.

Prague looks very modern and so does Portlands street car
Pyongyang looks clean mabye cause there are Soldiers garding mabye

Well I thought the main reason was that the soldier has the South Korean flag on his uniform!

The hall of this station is too modern and it has english inscription and information hall.
That is true.

Pyongyang looks clean mabye cause there are Soldiers garding mabye
Also, that is why Pyongyang's crime rate is very low. Everything is kept under control.

And on the jacket of the solider you can see the south-korean flag :D

The tram system in portland, looks good :cheers:

I think that the metro system in Prague is nothing special ( I know, in Warsaw it isn't better). The stations and trains are dirty, and old, but it has a good system with park&ride.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/9442/06aedubaimetro025ts2.jpg
:eek2::eek2::eek2:
AMAZING!

And on the jacket of the solider you can see the south-korean flag :D

I guess he's watching out the North Korean people coming into South Korea. The North Koreans are controlled by the dictator. No one knows what these sad people dare to do in the developed nations. :)

Good call for Portland even when biking doesn't seem very attractive. Redesign roads and give more space to bikes. Works perfectly well in the NL, fatalities steadily go down.

I caught this weird discussion on the London news (BBC) a few weeks back; even a biker actionist wasn't advocating to build different roads. All were merely mentioning a different mentality and respect for eachother - bikers hassling pedestrians on the pavement was the issue at stake - and no one came up with good examples from the NL and Denmark.

This seperates Britain from the continent. In Britain people seem incapable to adopt a whole new perception, stuck in the rut of tradition as they are.

Ya that is true eusbius

- Most extensive network in the world.


That belongs to NYC by both number of stations and length.

By experience it has to be TOKYO (worldwide),
in Europe it has to be Berlin cheap and 24/7 service for trams and busses and 24/7 s-lines and underground on a weekend.
In America NY.

That belongs to NYC by both number of stations and length.

Not in length as far as route km. NY subway is longer in track km, that is, the total length of all tracks. This is because much of NY's subway has four tracks, whilst most networks have two tracks. London's network is longer in route km. This is the measurement usually used to define a network length, as it relates to the actual route of the network (which is what people are more concerned about).

By experience it has to be TOKYO (worldwide),
in Europe it has to be Berlin cheap and 24/7 service for trams and busses and 24/7 s-lines and underground on a weekend.
In America NY.
Tokyo's subway may be clean but incredibly ugly. The tricky fare system is another thing I don't like, and you have to go through ticket barriars every time when transfering a line to another. This subway is not user-friendly at all, and most people will find difficult to use. It's too complicated, I mean, "unnecessarily" complicated. There are too many different lines, all run by different companies (and all of them are "the same" commuter rails), and for that reason, one ticket doesn't fit all here. Definitely the way that the Japanese classify the railways is wiered. Particularly, Toei lines and Tokyo metro lines. They are the same metro but operated seperately.

Tokyo's subway may be clean but incredibly ugly. The tricky fare system is another thing I don't like, and you have to go through ticket barriars every time when transfering a line to another. This subway is not user-friendly at all, and most people will find difficult to use. It's too complicated, I mean, "unnecessarily" complicated. There are too many different lines, all run by different companies (and all of them are "the same" commuter rails), and for that reason, one ticket doesn't fit all here. Definitely the way that the Japanese classify the railways is wiered. Particularly, Toei lines and Tokyo metro lines. They are the same metro but operated seperately.

I did not find it ugly, I found it more efficient and cheaper than others like London...

I did not find it ugly, I found it more efficient and cheaper than others like London...
Cheaper, yes. But how can Tokyo's subway to be more efficient than London's? Clean and precise. It's an urban myth of Tokyo. I think London Underground is the most efficient metro in the world.

How can you not find Tokyo's subway ugly? I think you have to go to the doctor and get your eyes checked.