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The developement of nuclear weapons is horrid and terrible and even israel should not develop them.

:)

:cheers:

What was the reason for opening this thread ?
I don't think it's approporiate at all in today's situation, and it'll ignite yet another political argument in what supposed to be a skyscrpaer forum.

The developement of nuclear weapons is horrid and terrible and even israel should not develop them.

Yeah, but what choice do they have?

^^ True but i was afraid of telling it because i might get flamed lol Israel with almost all of the muslims and especially arabs wanting its utter destruction it must develope biological, chemical and nuclear weapons to protect itself. But the rest of the world is not able to understand that because simply they are either secret antisemitists or are unable to comprehend that a very large number of muslims and arabs want the destruction of israel and the genocide of the jewish nation.

The developement of nuclear weapons is horrid and terrible and even israel should not develop them.


WTF?! Why are you writing that EVEN isreal should not develop them, like they're some kind of excuse for being terrorists. :bash: :gunz:

WTF?! Why are you writing that EVEN isreal should not develop them, like they're some kind of excuse for being terrorists. :bash: :gunz:
Israel defends itself against terrorists. What exactly do you mean?

As I wrote in another thread where you started to show your self hatred and how it manifests towards hatred of others, "your suspicion should be directed towards the low-life depraved and hate-filled people who spread such propaganda and lies in order to deceive naive people such as yourself".

you know exactly what i mean

you know exactly what i mean
Are you too timid to say it explicitly? What do you mean?

Be strong. Be a man! Say what you mean. You tried so hard to be timid and hide behind your 'questions' (that were never intended as real questions!) on the other thread (Your question about Israel (???)) . Here is another chance for you to be strong and bold and not be humiliated, if that is your concern. Say to all of us what you really mean.

Oh well. We waited. No surprise you were unable to say what you really mean.

ohh ok so i get banned? i know ur jewish ways

u r such a rasist!!! mayb u a terrorist ur self

ur jewish ways?? what do u supose to mean??? i bet ur just a little kid, go to sleep marek!

ohh ok so i get banned? i know ur jewish ways
What is clear is that you know nothing. You just have diarrhea of the mouth. You are a racist and a coward. You hide behind your racism and have the imbecility to suggest that if you exposed your racism explicitly (which you know you want to do but are too much of a coward to do so), the ban you would receive is a Jewish plot of some sort. Jews and non-Jews a like would ban you. It is a human-thing, includings Jews and non-Jews, to hate racism.

Isn't your statement "i know ur jewish ways" the same as saying that only Jews detest racism so you would be banned, but non-Jews would not ban you because non-Jews do not detest racism? Please explain why you think only Jewish ways would ban hatred and racism? That sounds pretty racist in itself.

It would be best if you stayed away from these threads. You personally do not have the courage or the mental capabilites to hold your own here.

WTF?! Why are you writing that EVEN isreal should not develop them, like they're some kind of excuse for being terrorists. :bash: :gunz:

I wont even argue with you because i do not have the strength. I am sick and tired of people who do not read the replies people post and choose to ''read'', quote and flame AND get away with it. These SSC forums are rife with these people who all they can do is flame and cause trouble. I think i might just go ahead and stop posting/cancel my account...!

Why are there still people that believe that all the muslims want to destroy all the jews on earth,goddamnit it makes me sick.If jou want peace do this.Golan back to a Syria,Shebha farms back to Lebanon, and then try to talk with the Palestinians to a lasting solution.But first bring the ministers and other people jou're goverment has kidnapped back and jou will get credit and respect for that.The hatred will slowly dissapear and the soldiers will be returned.But I'm sure that some people wil say I'm ignorant and not realistic,sorry I am.It just needs some cooperation from the Israeli goverment.

Why are there still people that believe that all the muslims want to destroy all the jews on earth,goddamnit it makes me sick.If jou want peace do this.Golan back to a Syria,Shebha farms back to Lebanon, and then try to talk with the Palestinians to a lasting solution.But first bring the ministers and other people jou're goverment has kidnapped back and jou will get credit and respect for that.The hatred will slowly dissapear and the soldiers will be returned.But I'm sure that some people wil say I'm ignorant and not realistic,sorry I am.It just needs some cooperation from the Israeli goverment.
People will be correct to call you "ignorant and not realistic", as you put it. The Arabs are the aggressors in their unending attempts to destroy Israel. It is up to them to make concessions and end their hostilities. Your suggestion is only a way to "peace" because your way signals the end of Israel. It is not the way to real peace. In the real world, not the one you live in, Israel has always welcomed the end of aggression from its neighbors who have stated clearly their intent to end hostilities with Israel. When the other Arab and Muslim aggressors lay down their weapons against Israel there can be peace. Israel shows this time and again. This is the real world others besides yourself live in. Nor is anyone besides you claiming that anyone believes "all the muslims want to destroy all the jews on earth", as you put it. The world you live in certainly seems like a mixed up place.

ok look at you guys. if the so called "racists" start winnning your "verbal battles", which is pretty hard because you jews are like energizer batteries and you just keep going and going and never just drop it(Im pretty sure youve heard millions of these jokes), You close the damn thread down. take a look at how many threads were closed already. Ill just stop here because im afraid you guys will bomb me, but indeed you are the most hated race in the world, from Hitler's concentration camp's to now. Its just that you own to much buissnesses and control the world behind everybodies back that no one really wonders about it. people are just to brainwashed and their sympathies go to you jews and you get away with hundreds of deaths. Mel Gibson is a perfect example, you ruined his career just because he produced a movie that shows how jews acted thousands of years ago and how they act now, and when he blames it on the jews when he gets arrested for drunk driving the whole world knows about it.

Hey jews i got one for ya.
Whats the diffrence between a jew and a canoe?
A canoe will eventually tip over

you greedy bastards!!

People will be correct to call you "ignorant and not realistic", as you put it. The Arabs are the aggressors in their unending attempts to destroy Israel. It is up to them to make concessions and end their hostilities. Your suggestion is only a way to "peace" because your way signals the end of Israel. It is not the way to real peace. In the real world, not the one you live in, Israel has always welcomed the end of aggression from its neighbors who have stated clearly their intent to end hostilities with Israel. When the other Arab and Muslim aggressors lay down their weapons against Israel there can be peace. Israel shows this time and again. This is the real world others besides yourself live in. Nor is anyone besides you claiming that anyone believes "all the muslims want to destroy all the jews on earth", as you put it. The world you live in certainly seems like a mixed up place.


Why so much agression in jour post?Are jou blind,jou are the only one that actually thinks that the Arabs are to blame ENTIRELY and the jews nothing.I'm going to stop right here but one more thing:jou have jour own state like the Bible says(not with the help of the messias but ok )but do jou also know the end of the story? :runaway:

Why so much agression in jour post?Are jou blind,jou are the only one that actually thinks that the Arabs are to blame ENTIRELY and the jews nothing.I'm going to stop right here but one more thing:jou have jour own state like the Bible says(not with the help of the messias but ok )but do jou also know the end of the story? :runaway:
Good, stop right here. My post was quite civil, considering to whom it wasritten and the subject matter. Once again you overstate, emphatically, what was stated. Nowhere will you find any mention of placing entire blame on any one. But there is no intelligent arguement to be made other than the Arabs were and are the aggressors in this conflict.

I understand what is in the Torah to a degree that nothing you can tell me about it can possibly be important or, if correct, something I do not know. There is no end to the story. There is no story. What story?

It is known what comes next. I seriously doubt you have any understanding of the Torah or what came before, what is happening now, or what comes next. Your post makes this perfectly clear.

But I can hardly wait for you to tell us a made-up 'what-comes-next' story.

Who's talking about the Thorah,I was refering to the Bible.

Who's talking about the Thorah,I was refering to the Bible.
Why so much agression in jour post?Are jou blind,jou are the only one that actually thinks that the Arabs are to blame ENTIRELY and the jews nothing.I'm going to stop right here but one more thing:jou have jour own state like the Bible says(not with the help of the messias but ok )but do jou also know the end of the story? :runaway:

How can you be so ignorant of things you pontificate on? Bible? What's Bible? What do you mean, not Torah? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Obviously not. What are you talking about?

"Bible? What's Bible? "

everythingisone, remember that your truth is not everybody's truth, there is not a unique vision of things.

When discussing politics, it is at least okay if you act like that (seing your point of view as the only possible valid one) it is your problem, but when discussing religious matter, at least have some respect.

I know you study torah, but dont be so disrespecting towards muslims and christians, because they dont follow the Torah only or have other sets of beliefs.

I know this is not 100% related to this discussion but a lot of your posts tend to go in this direction.

"Bible? What's Bible? "

everythingisone, remember that your truth is not everybody's truth, there is not a unique vision of things.

When discussing politics, it is at least okay if you act like that (seing your point of view as the only possible valid one) it is your problem, but when discussing religious matter, at least have some respect.

I know you study torah, but dont be so disrespecting towards muslims and christians, because they dont follow the Torah only or have other sets of beliefs.

I know this is not 100% related to this discussion but a lot of your posts tend to go in this direction.
I was not disrespectful to Christians and Muslims. You cannot point out in my post any disrespect to them. My point was to belgiumguy who questioned me, if he speaks not of Torah, with something that has nothing to do with me or to Jews. If he is not talking about Torah, why address me as if I accept and understand his issue. If, when he says Bible, and he does not mean Torah, what does Bible have to do with Israel at all? And when questioned about his statement he responds that he was speaking about Bible and not Torah. Let him speak for himself. What is he talking about.

When the time comes to speak about Christianity and Islam I will speak clearly, you may be sure.

I was not disrespectful to Christians and Muslims. You cannot point out in my post any disrespect to them. My point was to belgiumguy who questioned me, if he speaks not of Torah, with something that has nothing to do with me or to Jews. If he is not talking about Torah, why address me as if I accept and understand his issue. If, when he says Bible, and he does not mean Torah, what does Bible have to do with Israel at all? And when questioned about his statement he responds that he was speaking about Bible and not Torah. Let him speak for himself. What is he talking about.

When the time comes to speak about Christianity and Islam I will speak clearly, you may be sure.



hahha,what do you think jou are,jou think jou're superior to me just because jou "study the Torah"??Do you think that the Torah alone contains(some of) the truth lol,it has been rewritten more then once ! ! So basically it could be possible that half of it is crap! :cheers:

hahha,what do you think jou are,jou think jou're superior to me just because jou "study the Torah"??Do you think that the Torah alone contains(some of) the truth lol,it has been rewritten more then once ! ! So basically it could be possible that half of it is crap! :cheers:
You avoid the question posed to you and you show your hatred instead. You have no answer? Of course not. You avoid all serious questions because basically everything you say is something you make up to squirm out of whatever your own words cornered you into. What Bible? Why as us?

And if you want to speak with total disrespect about Torah, as you just did, go do it on a website with other sick people. Go foul your own places with your sickness and hatred. You are a typical person of hatred. Always spewing your filth without the nerve to stay on point. You wrote to me to stop saying bad things about Islam when I did not write anything bad about Islam at all. You are a hypocrit and below respect.

Let's see if virtual is intellectually honest enough here to call you out for the blatant disrespect you wrote.

And I do not think I am superior to you because I "study the Torah" I am superior to you because you are a hypocrit and full of hatred and are intellectually dishonest. You write to deceive. You avoid the issue. You need help.

And you are mistaken. Torah has never been rewritten. You have been lied to. It is a shame for all of mankind.

What Belgiumguy said, is exactly what you have stated numerous times (in a more eloquent manner maybe...). He says the Torah is not holy, and has been rewritten, you have said before that the Coran and New Testaments were non holy and was just the words of men, and you have always expressed these beliefs as if they were facts, just like Belgiumguy did.

What Belgiumguy said, is exactly what you have stated numerous times (in a more eloquent manner maybe...). He says the Torah is not holy, and has been rewritten, you have said before that the Coran and New Testaments were non holy and was just the words of men, and you have always expressed these beliefs as if they were facts, just like Belgiumguy did.
You are a hypocrit.

So basically it could be possible that half of it is crap!

You just proved you are worthless. There is no honesty in your life. You thrive on deception.

so that is how everythingisone act when he doesnt know what to say

he either use big word in order to mislead us about the real issue, throw words and accuse or refer to a totally different subject.

You are a hypocrit.

You just proved you are worthless. There is no honesty in your life. You thrive on deception.


So because you did not writte "crap" it changes everything?

As I said, you may say these things in a more eloquent manner, in the end, you still say the same things.

What Belgiumguy said, is exactly what you have stated numerous times (in a more eloquent manner maybe...). He says the Torah is not holy, and has been rewritten, you have said before that the Coran and New Testaments were non holy and was just the words of men, and you have always expressed these beliefs as if they were facts, just like Belgiumguy did.


As a non-Jew and non-Muslim I could say I don't see what was the least bit offensive about everythingisone religious commentary in this thread. What in the heck should everythingisone have to say about an issue or beleif he doesn't even have? What in the hell does Christianity or the Bible have to do with any of this which Belgiumguy was trying to make an issue out of and Everythingisone seemingly didn't? In fact he tried to stay clear of any of the religious nonsense that Belgiumguy wanted to dive this discussion into.

Belgiumguys view on the other hand showed a clear intent to derail this into a theological mud slinging of some kind and stepped over a fine line of discussion differences in religious beliefs into going down a road of supremacist nonsense.

Please show a little bit of thoughtfullness in your condemnation virtual. You seem hell-bent on correcting some in these forums while in the same threads your Arab allies equally vicious and myopic sentiments and they 95% go relatively unchallenged or with a very weak timidity as if your correcting an innocent well meaning child.

Call a spade a spade and stop and if you are so intent on stopping prejudice and racism then don't keep excusing it from one half half the time or you are nothing but a hypocrite..

As a non-Jew and non-Muslim I could say I don't see what was the least bit offensive about everythingisone religious commentary in this thread. What in the heck should everythingisone have to say about an issue or beleif he doesn't even have? What in the hell does Christianity or the Bible have to do with any of this which Belgiumguy was trying to make an issue out of and Everythingisone seemingly didn't? In fact he tried to stay clear of any of the religious nonsense that Belgiumguy wanted to dive this discussion into.

Belgiumguys view on the other hand showed a clear intent to derail this into a theological mud slinging of some kind and stepped over a fine line of discussion differences in religious beliefs into going down a road of supremacist nonsense.

Please show a little bit of thoughtfullness in your condemnation virtual. You seem hell-bent on correcting some in these forums while in the same threads your Arab allies equally vicious and myopic sentiments and they 95% go relatively unchallenged or with a very weak timidity as if your correcting an innocent well meaning child.

Call a spade a spade and stop and if you are so intent on stopping prejudice and racism then don't keep excusing it from one half half the time or you are nothing but a hypocrite..

Its really funny coming out of you Nomar ... I believe you should practice your own advice. You condem and correct only arabs or muslims. Never the other side.

So I would say ...call a spade a spade and stop or you sure are the hypocrite one.

"I know this is not 100% related to this discussion but a lot of your posts tend to go in this direction."

As I have said, my comment was not about this discussion, but about a lot of his comments on this board (his, only mildy offencive "bible, what's bible" triggered it, see it as the last straw if you want to put it this way), I did not claim belgiumguy was right, neither that what he said was valid, what I said however is that his post was not so different than what can be red in many of everythingisone's posts, although in a much less eloquent manner, there is not a single form of apology in this.


As for correcting comments that are done on the other side, first of all you do not frequent all the sections I frequent on this forum and you do not read all of my posts (not that you should), it is not my fault if you only see what you want to see, many times have I criticized racist and idiotic comments when they directed at whites/jews/christians/whateveryouwant, I even remember one of Shohad's (an israeli forumer) comments, in which he said that it was ridicule that I was always scandalised by anti-jewish racist comments, when according to him, by being anti-zionist, I supported them indirectly (or something along those lines).

Not that I have to justify myself by the way.

The irony is that all you are saying to me can be said about you as well. I never see you criticize (but then I have not red all of your posts neither...) Israel's policy, the US or some European countries' policies, christianity, judaism, free market capitalism etc. and if you did, just like you said, in a very weak manner (only your agreement that the camp davis agreements could not be accepted by the palestinians comes to mind...)

If what you said had come from more moderate and not as one-sided forumers (something I am not btw), maybe it could have been a bit more credible, but for now, it fails miserably, goodnight.

The irony is that all you are saying to me can be said about you as well. I never see you criticize (but then I have not red all of your posts neither...) Israel's policy, the US or some European countries' policies, christianity, judaism, free market capitalism etc. and if you did, just like you said, in a very weak manner (only your agreement that the camp davis agreements could not be accepted by the palestinians comes to mind...)

If what you said had come from more moderate and not as one-sided forumers (something I am not btw), maybe it could have been a bit more credible, but for now, it fails miserabily, goodnight.

Good point

You are a hypocrit.



You just proved you are worthless. There is no honesty in your life. You thrive on deception.



Do you have any valid proof that the Thorah hasn't been rewritten of "corrigated" ?No,you haven't and I wasn't being disrespectfull against the Thorah,neither will I ever do against the Bible but you have to read them with a pinch of salt :)

more nuclear missiles lounching submarines to Israel
(Israeli developed and assembled missile on German made submarine)


Germany: Dolphin subs to be supplied to Israel from 2010



German opposition criticizes deal, citing risk that submarines might be used to carry nuclear weapons; 'delivery of these two Dolphin class submarines is foreseen for 2010, not earlier, therefore vessels have no relevance to current conflict in Middle East,' government spokesman says

Associated Press Published: 08.25.06, 18:47





A deal under which Germany will sell Israel two submarines foresees the vessels being delivered starting in 2010, and they are not being equipped to fire nuclear weapons, an official said Friday.



The German government said earlier this week that the HDW shipyard signed a contract with Israeli authorities July 6 to build the two Dolphin-class submarines. Israel already has three of that type submarine.



"The delivery of these two Dolphin class submarines is foreseen for 2010, not earlier, according to current planning," and therefore the vessels have "no relevance" to the current conflict in the Middle East, government spokesman Thomas Steg told reporters.




Some members of the German opposition have criticized the deal, citing the risk that the submarines might be used to carry nuclear weapons. Israel has never confirmed or denied that it has such weapons.



Steg noted that there was an agreement on the deal between both governments, signed November 21.



"The submarines will not ... Be built and equipped for the firing of nuclear weapons, but are designed for the conduct of conventional war," he said.



Asked if Germany wanted assurances from Israel on that point, Steg said: "We have no mistrust and no suspicion toward our Israeli partner."

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Dolphin?

just out of curiosity, does Israel make any weapons? or does it just buy it all from the US?

Merkafa went to retirment

just out of curiosity, does Israel make any weapons? or does it just buy it all from the US?

Israel developes and produces most of its weapons and armoure,
infact Israel is the 4/5 th. largest arms exporter in the world.

even the F-15's and F-16's are not 100 % American made:
the flying body and engiens are American but lots of Israeli Hi Tech systems and missiles are installed inside, which makes them better than the American one.
Israel has space and avaition industry, and produces civil jet airplanes, as the military jets (the Lavi) was hold under diplomatic pressure.

also the naval frigates ,in the pics are Israeli made and developed.

Israel's guns are both US and Israeli made, the new Tavor assault rifle is beginning to be deployed.

The aircraft are US built with Israeli avionics and Israeli missiles (the Python).
The air to ground and ground to ground missiles are mostly Israeli (SPIKE).
Tanks are made in Israel (Merkava).
ABM missiles and radar are Israeli, with the US Patriot as a backup.

Israel sometimes gets into arms wars against the US. Recently in South Korea, the US and Israel competed to supply AWACS aircraft, the US applied pressure to win the contract for Boeing, even though the Israeli system was cheaper and better.

For the complete list
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/