Good job Chennai Super Kings :banana::banana::banana:

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Well deserved and hard fought victory from the verge of elimination.

Great job CSK :applause:

It is so unfortunate that the IPL organizers fail to recognize that just Mumbai alone is not India. I hate to see every damn IPL final held there as if there is no other city in India. :bash::bash::bash:

This time, I will excuse them because both Chennai and Kolkata stadiums are under renovation and it won't be good to have big finals in under-construction stadiums; we also know the problems in B'lore and Hyd. If this happens next year, its highly deplorable :ohno::ohno::ohno: The next IPL finals and semi-finals should NOT be held in Mumbai. :bash::bash::bash: The proper venues could be Chennai or Kolkata or B'lore or Hyd (hope Telangana comes down by then).

All the semi-finals and finals matches became predictable because they were played in the same stadium and the same pitch - the team batting first had a massive advantage of winning if they put a decent score on the board. :bash::bash::bash:

This is also one more reason why I wanted MI to lose, :wtf::wtf: home ground advantage to them in both semis and finals. Some would say this factor created pressure in them to cause their defeat; well that can't be justified.

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Full album at http://cricket.ndtv.com/IPL2010/gallerydetails.aspx?Page=1&ID=7277#talk

Having seen the match and followed the comments/blogs of fellow cricket watches on the Net, here are a few things I want to quote,

1. Bringing in Pollard early on is a safe bet but telling everyone that he 'would' have won the game had he been brought early on, is always an "IF" and a "guess". Great captaincy from Dhoni and super field setting got rid of him.

2. The Mumbai crowd behavior was very bad - forget cheering for CSK, they didn't stay to see the match presentation ceremony just because their team lost. :( They have to learn from Chennai spectators on how we support all teams and have proven ourselves as the best cricket crowd in the country. :)

3. Hayden could have been dropped and Hussey could have been given a chance. We saw how Hayden struggled all through his innings.

CSK - ku oru big whistle podu...sweet edu kondaadu...:banana::cheers:

Having seen the match and followed the comments/blogs of fellow cricket watches on the Net, here are a few things I want to quote,

2. The Mumbai crowd behavior was very bad - forget cheering for CSK, they didn't stay to see the match presentation ceremony just because their team lost. They have to learn from Chennai spectators on how we support all teams and have proven ourselves as the best cricket crowd in the country.


In this case Chennaities more supportive if any such tournament happen to have in in their home ground...doesn't matter where they are from and which team is it :applause::applause::applause:

The presentation ceremony was a dud. As usual, 10 people standing on the dais to present the awards. Lalit Modi reading out his long defence document..and so many unrelated awards etc..by the time MSD & guys went up to receive the trophy, the celebration and happiness had sunk in and it was already so late. Bad show by the organisers. Great cricket by CSK.
Haydos, Gilli, Gibbs and Warney all failed in this tournament. Ashwin has been a revelation our us.

Next year our guys should come out stronger (and with different jerseys - toned down yellow, may be)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Corporation-prepares-to-ban-water-and-juice-sachets/articleshow/5854700.cms

CHENNAI: Taking a serious view of the sale of contaminated drinking water in plastic sachets, the Chennai Corporation has decided to ban sale of sachets containing water and artificial juices.

A resolution to this effect will be put up before the elected council in its meet slated for April 29, according to Mayor M Subramanian. A recommendation will then be sent to the state government, which will issue orders effecting the ban.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Upgraded-Chennai-police-website-by-next-month-end/articleshow/5857262.cms

CHENNAI: All opinions about and requests to the police on various issues good cop, bad cop, lost and found cases can now be posted on the Chennai city police website, an upgraded version of which is scheduled to be opened in the last week of May.

Taking a cue from the increasing popularity of social networking sites, the city police have decided to open up their website to interactions from members of the public. The status of cases regarding missing vehicles/persons, retrieved vehicles and rescued persons can be verified on the site. The law-enforcers' success in cracking serial murders and other serious offences will be listed in the achievement column. Photographs of unidentified persons will also be on the site.

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http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/26/stories/2010042650920300.htm

http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/26/images/2010042650920301.jpg

CHENNAI: Chennai is becoming warmer during summer with the average maximum temperature rising by one degree Celsius, according to data spanning 30 years that the Meteorological Department analysed recently.

Y.E.A. Raj, Deputy Director-General of Meteorology, Regional Meteorological Centre, Chennai, said, “The increase by one degree Celsius may seem less but is quite significant as there has been an overall rise over a period of 30 years between 1961 and 1990. This is more, compared to the previous decades.”

Various reasons, including global warming and local heat effect in urban areas where heat retention is more are said to be contributing factors to the increase, officials of the department said. The increase in the number of vehicles in the city and air pollution has also led to local heat effect, they observed.

At present, the department is using 30 years' weather data from 1951 to 1980 to analyse weather patterns. According to this data, the average maximum temperature for April is 34 degree Celsius at Nungambakkam.

Mr. Raj said the decision to analyse the data from 1961, instead of 1951, was taken in view of the changes that the city had witnessed and the possible impact they could have on weather.

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The presentation ceremony was a dud. As usual, 10 people standing on the dais to present the awards. Lalit Modi reading out his long defence document..and so many unrelated awards etc..by the time MSD & guys went up to receive the trophy, the celebration and happiness had sunk in and it was already so late. Bad show by the organisers. Great cricket by CSK.
Haydos, Gilli, Gibbs and Warney all failed in this tournament. Ashwin has been a revelation our us.

Next year our guys should come out stronger (and with different jerseys - toned down yellow, may be)
I hope we get most of the current team retained after the auctioning next year.

I hope we get most of the current team retained after the auctioning next year.

That will be hard, I guess every one will try for dhoni,raina

That will be hard, I guess every one will try for dhoni,raina

Each team retains 4 Indian players. CSK will retain Dhoni and Raina for sure...no question of auctioning them

It is so unfortunate that the IPL organizers fail to recognize that just Mumbai alone is not India. I hate to see every damn IPL final held there as if there is no other city in India. :bash::bash::bash:

This time, I will excuse them because both Chennai and Kolkata stadiums are under renovation and it won't be good to have big finals in under-construction stadiums; we also know the problems in B'lore and Hyd. If this happens next year, its highly deplorable :ohno::ohno::ohno: The next IPL finals and semi-finals should NOT be held in Mumbai. :bash::bash::bash: The proper venues could be Chennai or Kolkata or B'lore or Hyd (hope Telangana comes down by then).



Not one news channel telecast the celebrations of chennai's victory yday. :wtf:

CNN-IBN was getting opinions from some Mumbai fans at a bar in Colaba when one would normally expect them to capture fan reactions in Chennai....and that was it....nothing related to the IPL final on any news channel after that....


Regarding the venue for IPL semis and final, I guess the winners and runners up choose the venues for the subsequent year....The semis were scheduled to be in Chennai for IPL-09 but were shifted to South Africa. This year's semis were to be held in Bangalore (they were the runners up last year) and finals at Navi Mumbai (Deccan's home turf this year)....So I'm guessing it will be Mumbai for the semis next year and Chennai for the finals.

Not one news channel telecast the celebrations of chennai's victory yday. :wtf:




As if so many tamilians are playing for the team

As if so many tamilians are playing for the team

I could count 4 TN cricketers (Vijay,Badri, Aniruddha,Ashwin) and 1 Cricketer(Murali) with Tamil as his mother tongue in CSK's 11 in the final. How many more u want?

Not one news channel telecast the celebrations of chennai's victory yday. :wtf:


It was very disappointing to see even the hosting channel Sony Max was discussing in length on why MI lost and they hardly spoke about how CSK won. It felt like they were discussing about India's loss in a India vs Pak match.:bash:

I could count 4 TN cricketers (Vijay,Badri, Aniruddha,Ashwin) and 1 Cricketer(Murali) with Tamil as his mother tongue in CSK's 11 in the final. How many more u want?

5/11 is not even 50% brother.

I could count 4 TN cricketers (Vijay,Badri, Aniruddha,Ashwin) and 1 Cricketer(Murali) with Tamil as his mother tongue in CSK's 11 in the final. How many more u want?
There shud be four foriegn players in the playing 11 out of which one is a tamilian.Therefore locals from TN including murali constitute 5 out of 8. I am not sure how many among the four TN player's mother tongue is tamil.

[QUOTE=ChennaiIndian;55858941]Having seen the match and followed the comments/blogs of fellow cricket watches on the Net, here are a few things I want to quote,

1. Bringing in Pollard early on is a safe bet but telling everyone that he 'would' have won the game had he been brought early on, is always an "IF" and a "guess". Great captaincy from Dhoni and super field setting got rid of him.

Here I would like to state that, Sachin's strategy was probably to get Pollard in once the main spinners were finished as he is not comfortable against Good Spin bowling. Sachin must have planned something like 40 odd runs reqd in 3 overs so that he can unleash Pollard against the CSK quicks. That should be the reason why Pollard was not sent little earlier. He almost did it by smashing Doug Bollinger for 22 runs had he lasted till the end the game would have been much closer, Infact I was expecting MSD to have kept Murali for the 19th over because Albie has been expensive in the past. This was a gamble to finish off Murali and leave the quick bowlers exposed to Pollard, but Last night Albie repaid his captain's faith by bowling to his field and got rewarded with the wicket of Pollard.

Over all it was a good match enjoyed it thoroughly

There shud be four foriegn players in the playing 11 out of which one is a tamilian.Therefore locals from TN including murali constitute 5 out of 8. I am not sure how many among the four TN player's mother tongue is tamil.

The mother tongues of Ashwin, Aniruddha and Badrinath is tamil. Not sure of Murali Vijay though

5/11 is not even 50% brother.

Many teams do not even have that number brother.

My Hearty Congratulations for Chennai Super Kings! It was great team performance.

Though, by the way both the team missed many opportunities to take over other, I smell match fixing :ohno: It must have been much better and professional.

Regarding the venue for IPL semis and final, I guess the winners and runners up choose the venues for the subsequent year....The semis were scheduled to be in Chennai for IPL-09 but were shifted to South Africa. This year's semis were to be held in Bangalore (they were the runners up last year) and finals at Navi Mumbai (Deccan's home turf this year)....So I'm guessing it will be Mumbai for the semis next year and Chennai for the finals.

that's correct. Rajasthan had chosen Wankhede as the final venue for 2009 IPL, owing to problems with the venue at Jaipur. Of course the tournament was then shifted. Deccan in 2009 chose Hyderabad as the final venue for 2010 but it had to be shifted to Mumbai owing to the Telangana crisis.


^^Murali Vijay is a tamilian. I have played cricket with him in a coaching camp in childhood.

congrats to csk....it was a very nice match.....it was good to see raina's batting,particularly his energy and commitment during fielding....

There shud be four foriegn players in the playing 11 out of which one is a tamilian.Therefore locals from TN including murali constitute 5 out of 8. I am not sure how many among the four TN player's mother tongue is tamil.

Badri, Vijay, Ashwin, Anirudha, Naploen - Tamils

L.Balaji, Arun Karthik - Telugu speaking Tamils

Badani, Abinav Mukund, - Hindi/Marwari speaking Tamils

It was very disappointing to see even the hosting channel Sony Max was discussing in length on why MI lost and they hardly spoke about how CSK won. It felt like they were discussing about India's loss in a India vs Pak match.:bash:

I do felt the same thing...even in my office every one (Except TN crowd) was supporting Mumbai as though Chennai is in Pakistan and Mumbai is in India & for Indians...people even started calling Chennai office and wishing them for their sure loss. Really disgusting....:bash: I don't really understand why is this aversion. If all north indians support Mumbai & all south indians support Chennai - it would have been more logical and the heat might have been less felt.

^^Yes SonyMax commentators/anchors were mourning Mumbai's loss rather than celebrating Chennai's win. Stupid of them.

Moreover, the Lalit Modi episode has overshadowed CSK's victory - the headlines is on the former issue and not abt CSK's victory - unfortunate for us.

Regarding, people supporting MI instead of CSK, its one's choice and preference, we should not make a big issue of it. We should be glad that our team won and lets celebrate it.

Kudos to Dhoni for his wonderful captaincy and I was particularly impressed with his maturity in handling questions from the commentators.

And no one dared to talk about the catch MSD took of Sachin which was adjudged not out (I was disappointed that Sachin didn't walk - he is an icon now and he has to take his game/behaviour to the next level and start walking as Gilly and Lara do/did). If any of the CSK guy would have done it, the media would be pounding on us and state that to be an excuse for MI's loss.

^Quite true. He had clean nick but did not walk. Never expected this from him. I think he should have rested himself for the game with that many stiches.
I doubt if he would have played for India if he has that kind of hurt.

^^
Very true,
For some reason players are showing more commitment to playing IPL than they ever did when they played for India, other than Sachin, Ganguly and Kumble are two other players who seem to be so much more committed during IPL

^^ That's harsh dude - those guys are some of the most committed national players India has ever had..

^^Yes SonyMax commentators/anchors were mourning Mumbai's loss rather than celebrating Chennai's win. Stupid of them.

Moreover, the Lalit Modi episode has overshadowed CSK's victory - the headlines is on the former issue and not abt CSK's victory - unfortunate for us.

Regarding, people supporting MI instead of CSK, its one's choice and preference, we should not make a big issue of it. We should be glad that our team won and lets celebrate it.

Kudos to Dhoni for his wonderful captaincy and I was particularly impressed with his maturity in handling questions from the commentators.

And no one dared to talk about the catch MSD took of Sachin which was adjudged not out (I was disappointed that Sachin didn't walk - he is an icon now and he has to take his game/behaviour to the next level and start walking as Gilly and Lara do/did). If any of the CSK guy would have done it, the media would be pounding on us and state that to be an excuse for MI's loss.

What I have observed from the West and North based media is a bias towards certain cities. They tend to like some cities and hate some due to perception and history. Even genuine good things are not reported and only bad things are highlighted. This is prevelant in all sections - sports, politics, industry etc. This add to people's perception about a place and doesn't do any good for national unity. Press should be very neutral and uphold its values.

I do felt the same thing...even in my office every one (Except TN crowd) was supporting Mumbai as though Chennai is in Pakistan and Mumbai is in India & for Indians...people even started calling Chennai office and wishing them for their sure loss. Really disgusting....:bash: I don't really understand why is this aversion. If all north indians support Mumbai & all south indians support Chennai - it would have been more logical and the heat might have been less felt.

Presently am in trivandrum... here also everybody was supporting MI except TN people. Ok.. its their presonal preference to support any team.... But, it felt bad, we are nearby state...but not even a name sake support.... we have to console ourself that's may be because of sachin in MI...any way csk done it...we enjoyed the match and were shouting in the Tv hall...

^^ A lot of hatred going on in our country on the basis of religion, caste, states, race and what not. Now IPL.

Hope we hang on together.

Maybe the name had some effect? "Mumbai Indians" versus "Chennai".

I have always found the name "Mumbai Indians" to be very unfortunate choice, for multiple reasons which are pretty obvious IMO.

^^The reason the guys in Kerala were not supporting CSK may be due to jealousy...I don't mind it coz a person will be jealous of another only if he is inferior in any way to the other...so they have acknowledged that CSK/Chennai/TN is superior to their place/state/city.

Yes Subra, the media in north/west and especially the english news channels do not favour Chennai much, for them B'lore is a more favoured city. (Wrong) perceptions ...and it has to be killed forever...sooner the better...

Anyways, I don't watch IPL but IF I did I would have supported Chennai :cheers:

Maybe the name had some effect? "Mumbai Indians" versus "Chennai".

I have always found the name "Mumbai Indians" to be very unfortunate choice, for multiple reasons which are pretty obvious IMO.
As far as I have observed, people remember IPL teams on the basis of the cities they represent rather than the franchise names. For example, they say B'lore vs Hyd match instead of quoting the franchise names. So, the franchise name has no big influence.

^Sure, but if people had a choice between a team with "India" in it and a team without, which one would they be more likely to support?

Of course, Mumbai would always have an advantage because has always been popular, thanks to all the glamour that surrounds it (especially among North Indians migrants ;))

^^The reason the guys in Kerala were not supporting CSK may be due to jealousy...I don't mind it coz a person will be jealous of another only if he is inferior in any way to the other...so they have acknowledged that CSK/Chennai/TN is superior to their place/state/city.

Yes Subra, the media in north/west and especially the english news channels do not favour Chennai much, for them B'lore is a more favoured city. (Wrong) perceptions ...and it has to be killed forever...sooner the better...

They (Non Tamils from South India) will never change. They try to assoicate with Hindi speaking people and seems to cherish when Tamilians lose as if we are their enemies.

North Indians are even worse calling south Indians madrasis and other nonsense. They humiliate South Indians in their Hindi movies (even though they copy it from Tamil/English movies) and act as if they are smart. Even worse they are having Hindi movie awards ceremony in Sri lanka when most of the ceylon Tamilians are suffering in camps and dying everyday.


But who cares? Tamilians continue to progress and contribute to the country.

^^The reason the guys in Kerala were not supporting CSK may be due to jealousy...I don't mind it coz a person will be jealous of another only if he is inferior in any way to the other...so they have acknowledged that CSK/Chennai/TN is superior to their place/state/city.

Yes Subra, the media in north/west and especially the english news channels do not favour Chennai much, for them B'lore is a more favoured city. (Wrong) perceptions ...and it has to be killed forever...sooner the better...

Having mingled with people from all over India, I would like to share an observation here,

1. Given a chance, people from outside TN want to bash TN forgetting the fact that their state is even worse than us. :lol:
2. When they can't ridicule us, they feel jealous. This is normal human mentality. :)

The reasons...

1. TN has been one of the leading the country in bringing about social reforms and has a unique socio-political Dravidian movement. Most Northies still have a bad blood towards us because we kicked out their Hindi language from our state.
2. Being just the 7th largest state in India and openly opposing the Hindi language (which a majority speak), we are enjoying a very high social, political and economic clout. Our folks exist from top-to-bottom in all sectors in the country; not just in our state but in various states. Remember 'Velu Nayakan' from Bombay who didn't know Hindi but was dominating there. :lol:

The funny part is, I have seen Lalu Prasad Yadav criticize our state. :rofl:

Not one news channel telecast the celebrations of chennai's victory yday. :wtf:

CNN-IBN was getting opinions from some Mumbai fans at a bar in Colaba when one would normally expect them to capture fan reactions in Chennai....and that was it....nothing related to the IPL final on any news channel after that....


Regarding the venue for IPL semis and final, I guess the winners and runners up choose the venues for the subsequent year....The semis were scheduled to be in Chennai for IPL-09 but were shifted to South Africa. This year's semis were to be held in Bangalore (they were the runners up last year) and finals at Navi Mumbai (Deccan's home turf this year)....So I'm guessing it will be Mumbai for the semis next year and Chennai for the finals.
NDTV is North Indian TV. If you see their website, there will be hardly 1 news video when there are 50 news videos about North Indian states. I will excuse them because they have regional news channels like the 'NDTV Hindu' in Chennai which are solely for local news. However, they should not call themselves as 'India's national news channel'; that's totally absurd. :bash::bash::bash:

CNN-IBN is a left-leaning Northie news channel. Sometimes though, I feel they have more coverage about South India than NDTV because they have 2 news videos amongst 50 about South India whereas NDTV will have one. :lol:

^Maybe North India produces more news?

Presently am in trivandrum... here also everybody was supporting MI except TN people. Ok.. its their presonal preference to support any team.... But, it felt bad, we are nearby state...but not even a name sake support.... we have to console ourself that's may be because of sachin in MI...any way csk done it...we enjoyed the match and were shouting in the Tv hall...

^^We are Big brothers so we need to teach them grow.
Let them look at Chennai's crowd behaviour during India-Pak match.
The most shocking behaviour was Mumbai crowds, I never expected that and it is a shame to cricket crazy Mumbai.

After 5th over I think Mukesh Bhai got a feeling they will lose so he was not having any hope.

^^ In this context, when CSK confronted a hostile environment everywhere, be it in the stadium, the media or support from across India, their victory was really great. For the same reason, I loved to see Mumbai losing that match.

^Maybe North India produces more news?

You can't be more funny than this! :lol: Come on friend!

Do you think North India vs South India news generation is "50:1"?? :nuts:

The so-called national news channel of India has defined its own map of India as follows,

1. Northern boundary - North Delhi or Gurgaon
2. Southern boundary - South Delhi
3. Western boundary - mostly restricted to western Delhi and Chandigarh. Sometimes they magically extend their boundaries to Mumbai but the rest of the places between Delhi and Mumbai are cut off from their map. :lol:
4. Eastern boundary - Bihar and sometimes Bengal.

And they think this is India! Good thinking! :lol:

csk ku whistle podu ..congrats:banana::banana:

From mng i tried to c ... the trophy lifting scene .. to my knowledge .. after watching cnn,ndtv,ht,times now .. not even one channel showed that .. even in repeat telecast today aftn in set max .. they din show the presentation n all ...:ohno::ohno:

And am i rite .. i thought yesterday when the pres. happened i felt everything incl environment was sombre .. nothing sparkling as previous two editions :ohno::ohno:

You can't be more funny than this! :lol: Come on friend!

Do you think North India vs South India news generation is "50:1"?? :nuts:

The so-called national news channel of India has defined its own map of India as follows,

1. Northern boundary - North Delhi or Gurgaon
2. Southern boundary - South Delhi
3. Western boundary - mostly restricted to western Delhi and Chandigarh. Sometimes they magically extend their boundaries to Mumbai but the rest of the places between Delhi and Mumbai are cut off from their map. :lol:
4. Eastern boundary - Bihar and sometimes Bengal.

And they think this is India! Good thinking! :lol:
NDTV is also referred to as NEHRU DYNASTY TELEVISION CHANNEL as they are more biased towards the congress and thus the UPA as u observe in their programmes on politics like BIG FIGHT,WE THE PEOPLE and VERDICT TONIGHT etc.

You can't be more funny than this! :lol: Come on friend!



Somebody from Chennai should start their own "National News Channel" :D

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Wow ...the paranoia on this thread is mind numbing. Congratulations CSK !

NDTV is also referred to as NEHRU DYNASTY TELEVISION CHANNEL as they are more biased towards the congress and thus the UPA as u observe in their programmes on politics like BIG FIGHT,WE THE PEOPLE and VERDICT TONIGHT etc.

arnt they owned or part owned by the brother in law of Brinda Karat (wife from CPM chief Prakash Karat?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prannoy_Roy

and about the news channels.

It has nothing to do with Mumbai and loving north Indians more than South Indians.

the reason why MI got more coverage is because of Sachin and Sachin only. If MI would have played Delhi in the final NDTV would still harp on about MI.

Or if Sachin was playing for Chennai then NDTV would be harping on about Chennai.

I saw every MI match and the support for Sachin in Delhi was probably more than for Delhi Daredevils. Hell when MI played Chennai in Chennai is crowd went ballistic whenever Sachin hit a 4.

PS Even though i supported Mumbai in the final(coming from Mumbai) a hardly congrats to CSK. Well played and in general probably the most consistent team in all 3 editions of the IPL.

^Maybe North India produces more news?

Even my dauhghter of eight years old, Feels that CSK was not covered much in this IPL. It just raises state of affairs in India. Please you could under stand this feelings only when you are in this. I have been seeing all the news channel just to get the glimbse of coverage. To my dismay no body has covered this.

I am slowly getting a feeling that India means it is only North India to whole world and South india is a back yard of India. I earnestly want I to be proved otherwise.

I am slowly getting a feeling that India means it is only North India to whole world and South india is a back yard of India. I earnestly want I to be proved otherwise.

You're not the only one. Every state apart from Delhi feels the same way, rightly or wrongly.

Even my dauhghter of eight years old, Feels that CSK was not covered much in this IPL. It just raises state of affairs in India. Please you could under stand this feelings only when you are in this. I have been seeing all the news channel just to get the glimbse of coverage. To my dismay no body has covered this.

I am slowly getting a feeling that India means it is only North India to whole world and South india is a back yard of India. I earnestly want I to be proved otherwise.

well when you say north India

which states do you mean?

well when you say north India

which states do you mean?

Good point. People love to point out how "South Indians" are generalized by North Indians, but what about North Indians being generalized in the south?

Good point. People love to point out how "South Indians" are generalized by North Indians, but what about North Indians being generalized in the south?

exactly

states like guj Maha Bengal Orissa cannot be included as "north Indian"

I thought people would get that after the Raj T fiasco. These states have their own distinct culture and language(s).

Fact is that political power is concentrated in the North, so everything to do with politics will be perceived to have a "Northern Bias". Whether this is actually true or not is another story. The mere fact will be exploited by people with any sort of grievance.

There's very little that can be done about this because the state is structured to have one power center.

For example, Punjab doesn't even have its own capital. Its capital is Union Territory. Of course, a lot of Punjabis resent this, but nobody in the South pays attention to this because they assume that Punjabis are in some sort of advantageous position in comparison to them simply because they are closer to Delhi in terms of distance.


In any case, with air-travel, internet and so on, things are becoming much better and distances are becoming insignificant (atleast for the middle class).

Then of course there's the problem of ignorance. Most Indians don't know much about the country, except perhaps their own region/state/caste whatever. This applies to everybody - North, South, East, West. However, its generally considered worse that "North Indians" are ignorant because they are once again perceived to have greater political power and influence over the affairs of the country.

But what is even more important is the image that foreigners have of the country. Most foreign visitors come to either Delhi or Mumbai, and this perpetuates certain stereotypes about India in the west and so on, which of course circulates back here and creates more resentment.

^^The reason the guys in Kerala were not supporting CSK may be due to jealousy...I don't mind it coz a person will be jealous of another only if he is inferior in any way to the other...so they have acknowledged that CSK/Chennai/TN is superior to their place/state/city.

Yes Subra, the media in north/west and especially the english news channels do not favour Chennai much, for them B'lore is a more favoured city. (Wrong) perceptions ...and it has to be killed forever...sooner the better...

ya...this is correct.... i have been staying in kerala for almost 2 years... here people search for reasons to ridicule tamil nadu... first i didnt understand this....but now i feel this is due to jealousy only....

[QUOTE=ChennaiIndian;55881477]Having mingled with people from all over India, I would like to share an observation here,
2. Being just the 7th largest state in India and openly opposing the Hindi language (which a majority speak), we are enjoying a very high social, political and economic clout. Our folks exist from top-to-bottom in all sectors in the country; not just in our state but in various states. Remember 'Velu Nayakan' from Bombay who didn't know Hindi but was dominating there. :lol:

hi ChennaiIndian, is TN 7th largest state... i think its 10th or 11th... pl clarify me...

and about the news channels.

It has nothing to do with Mumbai and loving north Indians more than South Indians.

the reason why MI got more coverage is because of Sachin and Sachin only. If MI would have played Delhi in the final NDTV would still harp on about MI.

Or if Sachin was playing for Chennai then NDTV would be harping on about Chennai.

I saw every MI match and the support for Sachin in Delhi was probably more than for Delhi Daredevils. Hell when MI played Chennai in Chennai is crowd went ballistic whenever Sachin hit a 4.

PS Even though i supported Mumbai in the final(coming from Mumbai) a hardly congrats to CSK. Well played and in general probably the most consistent team in all 3 editions of the IPL.
MI lost due to too much " nazar laggayi sachin per".

MI lost due to too much " nazar laggayi sachin per".

ok if that was said then that was just retarded(whichever Indian channel said that :ohno:)

But you have missed the point. If Sachin played for Chennai then it would be Chennai lost due too much "nazar laggayi sachin per"

[QUOTE=ChennaiIndian;55881477]Having mingled with people from all over India, I would like to share an observation here,
2. Being just the 7th largest state in India and openly opposing the Hindi language (which a majority speak), we are enjoying a very high social, political and economic clout. Our folks exist from top-to-bottom in all sectors in the country; not just in our state but in various states. Remember 'Velu Nayakan' from Bombay who didn't know Hindi but was dominating there. :lol:

hi ChennaiIndian, is TN 7th largest state... i think its 10th or 11th... pl clarify me...

I wish TN/Chennai does not get this hatred for being anti hindi in 1960's, We lost a lot of good migration to the city (may be equal amount of bad migration as well) but its better to be in limelight for being pride.arrogant and hated towards for that rather than being a non-entity.

[QUOTE=ChennaiIndian;55881477]Having mingled with people from all over India, I would like to share an observation here,
2. Being just the 7th largest state in India and openly opposing the Hindi language (which a majority speak), we are enjoying a very high social, political and economic clout. Our folks exist from top-to-bottom in all sectors in the country; not just in our state but in various states. Remember 'Velu Nayakan' from Bombay who didn't know Hindi but was dominating there. :lol:

hi ChennaiIndian, is TN 7th largest state... i think its 10th or 11th... pl clarify me...
You r Right TN is the seventh largest state but you r wrong about Velu Nayakan as he is only a charecter in the film called NAYAKEN potrayed by Kamal based on the true life story of Vardaraja Mudaliar,don of dharavi slums Mumbai, popularly known as VARDA BHAI and can speak fluent marathi and Bombayya Hindi.He along with Haji mastan dominated the underworld of mumbai in the sixties and seventies.

[QUOTE=(pollachi)sudhakar;55891997]
You r Right TN is the seventh largest state but you r wrong about Velu Nayakan as he is only a charecter in the film called NAYAKEN potrayed by Kamal based on the true life story of Vardaraja Mudaliar,don of dharavi slums Mumbai, popularly known as VARDA BHAI and can speak fluent marathi and Bombayya Hindi.He along with Haji mastan dominated the underworld of mumbai in the sixties and seventies.

no.. i have gone through net... TN is eleventh (11th) largest state by area(130,058 km2) and by population it is 6th largest state... given in wikipedia..first 10 states are -Rajasthan,MP,MH,AP,UP,J&K,Gujarat,KAR,Orissa and Chattisgarh by area.

Badri, Vijay, Ashwin, Anirudha, Naploen - Tamils

L.Balaji, Arun Karthik - Telugu speaking Tamils

Badani, Abinav Mukund, - Hindi/Marwari speaking Tamils
That is a cosmopolitan local team in TN which mumbai lacks.TKU Mr.Anniyan for the information.

[QUOTE=ranga;55892639]

no.. i have gone through net... TN is eleventh (11th) largest state by area(130,058 km2) and by population it is 6th largest state... given in wikipedia..first 10 states are -Rajasthan,MP,MH,AP,UP,J&K,Gujarat,KAR,Orissa and Chattisgarh by area.
I thought population wise.

ya...this is correct.... i have been staying in kerala for almost 2 years... here people search for reasons to ridicule tamil nadu... first i didnt understand this....but now i feel this is due to jealousy only....

Thats not true, may be just your assumption. Whenever we get a chance, we ditch BNG. R we jealous of BNG? A strong NO.

Thats not true, may be just your assumption. Whenever we get a chance, we ditch BNG. R we jealous of BNG? A strong NO.

what we are ditching BNG..??we are just comparing our growth and their growth... we are trying to overtake them by growth... that we cant say as ditching...if one guy comes from KAR or BNG, we are not telling him bangaloreans(or kannadigas) are like this, like that(personally)..means we are not saying or comparing any thing personal or individual components with BNG and make fun of them.

But in kerala its not like that..there is one word for ridiculing tamilians, pandys..they will say pandys are like this , like that... If one fellow wears one dark color shirt, they will ask him why are you wearing pandy color shirt.. means only tamilians will wear those colors (bad color sense)..
keep on telling something about individuality and personal things about tamilians and tamil nadu...not growth related comparisons.

I can say so many incidents like this in all aspects including movies.
so these things comes from jealousy only... because they are not in par with TN in growth related things, they make some other reasons and things to ridicule TN and satisfy their ego.

^^ Unlike people of many states in India, Tamilians and their language are not constrained to their state borders. They are spread internationally.

1. Tamil and Tamilians have existed in large numbers in South East Asia. There, Tamilians have a substantial presence in the political, social and economic space.
2. Apart from Hindi, Tamil (and to some extent, Telugu) is very popular outside India. From the audibles in Yahoo! msgr, the BBC Tamil channel etc. to being the official languages in some South East Asian countries, Tamil has big presence.
3. There are too many brand ambassadors for TN and Tamils across various sections of the society.

All these things and many more, have done good for us. So, we are never comparing ourselves with Kannadigas or others. We know our strengths and weaknesses :). We are only comparing our city's growth to other cities. By the way, our folks also live in those other cities in large numbers. :)

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[QUOTE=(pollachi)sudhakar;55891997]
You r Right TN is the seventh largest state but you r wrong about Velu Nayakan as he is only a charecter in the film called NAYAKEN potrayed by Kamal based on the true life story of Vardaraja Mudaliar,don of dharavi slums Mumbai, popularly known as VARDA BHAI and can speak fluent marathi and Bombayya Hindi.He along with Haji mastan dominated the underworld of mumbai in the sixties and seventies.
I know the story behind the movie, the real character etc. I just quoted the Velu Nayakan thing only for cooling some tempers in the midst of a heated conversation. :)

what we are ditching BNG..??we are just comparing our growth and their growth... we are trying to overtake them by growth... that we cant say as ditching...if one guy comes from KAR or BNG, we are not telling him bangaloreans(or kannadigas) are like this, like that(personally)..means we are not saying or comparing any thing personal or individual components with BNG and make fun of them.

But in kerala its not like that..there is one word for ridiculing tamilians, pandys..they will say pandys are like this , like that... If one fellow wears one dark color shirt, they will ask him why are you wearing pandy color shirt.. means only tamilians will wear those colors (bad color sense)..
keep on telling something about individuality and personal things about tamilians and tamil nadu...not growth related comparisons.

I can say so many incidents like this in every part of life including movies.
so these things comes from jealousy only... because they are not in par with TN in growth related things, they make some other reasons and things to ridicule TN and satisfy their ego.

^^ +1.
Even in one of the colleges there , they celebrate pandi day. They dress worse with poor color combinations & too guardy shades and claim they dress like us. This was told to me by a friend who studied there.

what we are ditching BNG..??we are just comparing our growth and their growth... we are trying to overtake them by growth... that we cant say as ditching...if one guy comes from KAR or BNG, we are not telling him bangaloreans(or kannadigas) are like this, like that(personally)..means we are not saying or comparing any thing personal or individual components with BNG and make fun of them.

But in kerala its not like that..there is one word for ridiculing tamilians, pandys..they will say pandys are like this , like that... If one fellow wears one dark color shirt, they will ask him why are you wearing pandy color shirt.. means only tamilians will wear those colors (bad color sense)..
keep on telling something about individuality and personal things about tamilians and tamil nadu...not growth related comparisons.

I can say so many incidents like this in every part of life including movies.
so these things comes from jealousy only... because they are not in par with TN in growth related things, they make some other reasons and things to ridicule TN and satisfy their ego.

It is very true and I have heard about it from Kerala Friends, The reason being they are exposed to only migrant poor uneducated tamil laborers from tamilnadu. In chennai people ridicule anyone wearing such clothes as natupurathan, country fellow its no different than that. I even had arguments with mallu friends many times about hygiene of tamils vs mallus. Its kinda true to certain extent I remember we dont bathe (even men) our hair on a daily basis but keralites do and consider it as regular bath. Mallus redicule themselves of being lazy at home and enterprising outside.

Its funny Keralites do the same labor work in Gulf and treated like shit there and they behave as if they are the arabs, These days most tamil laborers themselves go to Middle east instead Kerala and they bring laborers from Bihar/WB/Orissa I wonder what they call them.

[QUOTE=ranga;55892639]

no.. i have gone through net... TN is eleventh (11th) largest state by area(130,058 km2) and by population it is 6th largest state... given in wikipedia..first 10 states are -Rajasthan,MP,MH,AP,UP,J&K,Gujarat,KAR,Orissa and Chattisgarh by area.
Then it reiterates my point even further. Being the 11th largest state, folks from the other 10 states can't take our achievements easily and will ignore us. However, the reality is right in the face of everyone. :)

[QUOTE=(pollachi)sudhakar;55893429]
Then it reiterates my point even further. Being the 11th largest state, folks from the other 10 states can't take our achievements easily and will ignore us. However, the reality is right in the face of everyone. :)

seriously dude

get a grip. nobody is jealous of TN. Its not as if TN is the only fast growing state in india.


Drop the hatred. You make it sound as if everybody wants TN to fail. Thats not the case, most people in Maha i can tell you first hand dont care or have the knowledge either way about TN. Neither do I ever hear stuff slagging off TN.

It is very true and I have heard about it from Kerala Friends, The reason being they are exposed to only migrant poor uneducated tamil laborers from tamilnadu. In chennai people ridicule anyone wearing such clothes as natupurathan, country fellow its no different than that. I even had arguments with mallu friends many times about hygiene of tamils vs mallus. Its kinda true to certain extent I remember we dont bathe (even men) our hair on a daily basis but keralites do and consider it as regular bath. Mallus redicule themselves of being lazy at home and enterprising outside.

Its funny Keralites do the same labor work in Gulf and treated like shit there and they behave as if they are the arabs, These days most tamil laborers themselves go to Middle east instead Kerala and they bring laborers from Bihar/WB/Orissa I wonder what they call them.
People of every state in India mock others. Even we have created enough stereotypes for Mallus in our movies..."Omanae", nayar kada chaai with that nayar playing Lord Ayyapan songs all the time etc.:lol::lol: We have made fun of Mallu ladies wearing dhothis like males. :lol::lol:

These are for fun. In the same way, they ridicule us. Its all for fun! :)

By the way, we have ridiculed others too,

1. When someone has old customs and practices, we call them "sutha karnadagam".
2. We have done to death concept of a typical Telugu hero with the red-shirt and contrasting color pant for several decades. :lol::lol:
3. Similarly, we have made fun of our chapathi, pan-parag Northie friends. :lol:

I can quote a few things on how other state folks make fun of us,

1. Kannadigas call us 'Kodavas'. :lol:
2. Telugus call us 'Aravams' like how we call them 'gultis'. :lol:

These are for fun and exist everywhere. They should be taken in the lighter note. :)

[QUOTE=ChennaiIndian;55896485]

seriously dude

get a grip. nobody is jealous of TN. Its not as if TN is the only fast growing state in india.


Drop the hatred. You make it sound as if everybody wants TN to fail. Thats not the case, most people in Maha i can tell you first hand dont care or have the knowledge either way about TN. Neither do I ever hear stuff slagging off TN.

We are not referring to everyone as TN bashers but you cannot ignore the fact that there is a huge crowd out there bashing us more than others. :)

In TN, most of the time we know about people from AP, KL, Bombay and Delhi. KN is known but not very well. For us, Bombay is MH. We rarely know the North-East (this applies to most Indians and not just us). We rarely know Orrisa, Bengal, Rajasthan, MP etc.

For us, MP is a state through which our TN express will go to Delhi. Anybody outside of the souther states are Northies.

By saying these, I am acknowledging even our lack of willingness to know about others in India which is bad but can't be changed over-night. :(

[QUOTE=IchimaruGin1;55896695]

We are not referring to everyone as TN bashers but you cannot ignore the fact that there is a huge crowd out there bashing us more than others. :)

In TN, most of the time we know about people from AP, KL, Bombay and Delhi. KN is known but not very well. For us, Bombay is MH. We rarely know the North-East (this applies to most Indians and not just us). We rarely know Orrisa, Bengal, Rajasthan, MP etc.

For us, MP is a state through which our TN express will go to Delhi. Anybody outside of the souther states are Northies.

By saying these, I am acknowledging even our lack of willingness to know about others in India which is bad but can't be changed over-night. :(

yeah but thats my point

the vast majority of Indians dont really know or care about other states to be jealous enough(assuming that they would be)

Yeah fine there might be a few who somehow get some kind of cheap laugh in calling people from other states names. But its exists between every state.

There very well might be a few jealous people. But they really not represent the majoirty.

As an Indian i am happy India is progressing well and TN form a vital cog in India PLC. If that cog stops working properly then clearly entire India will suffer.

People of every state in India mock others. Even we have created enough stereotypes for Mallus in our movies..."Omanae", nayar kada chaai with that nayar playing Lord Ayyapan songs all the time etc.:lol::lol: We have made fun of Mallu ladies wearing dhothis like males. :lol::lol:

These are for fun. In the same way, they ridicule us. Its all for fun! :)

By the way, we have ridiculed others too,

1. When someone has old customs and practices, we call them "sutha karnadagam".
2. We have done to death concept of a typical Telugu hero with the red-shirt and contrasting color pant for several decades. :lol::lol:
3. Similarly, we have made fun of our chapathi, pan-parag Northie friends. :lol:

I can quote a few things on how other state folks make fun of us,

1. Kannadigas call us 'Kodavas'. :lol:
2. Telugus call us 'Aravams' like how we call them 'gultis'. :lol:

These are for fun and exist everywhere. They should be taken in the lighter note. :)

ya...may be.. this is true..it can be shown in movies here and there for some fun...

but they should not do this on regular basis and on your face in a public place...
In front of me only they will make these type of comments about my state and people when 10 people are there... not only pandi..so many things like cleanliness, movies (rajinikant vs mohanlal),literacy, language..etc..then i have to speak back harshly to make them stop that...this sometimes hurts...

[QUOTE=ChennaiIndian;55897127]

yeah but thats my point

the vast majority of Indians dont really know or care about other states to be jealous enough(assuming that they would be)

Yeah fine there might be a few who somehow get some kind of cheap laugh in calling people from other states names. But its exists between every state.

There very well might be a few jealous people. But they really not represent the majoirty.

As an Indian i am happy India is progressing well and TN form a vital cog in India PLC. If that cog stops working properly then clearly entire India will suffer.

No, you have to be in TN and talk to non-TN folks to know the fact how we are bashed more than others.

Well, its been a nice day in having the same old beaten-to-death argument. I am stopping here. :)

Its time for the T20 World Cup and let us all cheer for India (something that we have in common)! :cheers1:

[QUOTE=IchimaruGin1;55897425]

No, you have to be in TN and talk to non-TN folks to know the fact how we are bashed more than others.

trust me dude.

With the recent Raj T episode

that title goes to people from Maharashtra :ohno:

If ever there was a most hated linguistic group in India right now it would be marathi people.

you are angry how CSK did not get any coverage(which to be fair was wrong I admit that). We(marathi people) have seen people from NDTV calling for us to be kicked out of the Indian union despite only Raj T getting 5% of the vote in the recent elections.

Wha? Who talked about kicking out Maharashtra? Who's gonna fund the bloody government? Madhya Pradesh?

Wha? Who talked about kicking out Maharashtra? Who's gonna fund the bloody government? Madhya Pradesh?

yeah man

you know these people who pass blogs as being news. NDTV basically called an "expert" who said that he was a "true Indian".They basically said take mumbai from maharashtra and kick marathi people out of india.

A lot of hatred that much i can say. You had people calling in NDTV talk shows supposedly to say that they will beat up any marathi person if they come across them etc etc. Crazy shit.

People of every state in India mock others. Even we have created enough stereotypes for Mallus in our movies..."Omanae", nayar kada chaai with that nayar playing Lord Ayyapan songs all the time etc.:lol::lol: We have made fun of Mallu ladies wearing dhothis like males. :lol::lol:

These are for fun. In the same way, they ridicule us. Its all for fun! :)

By the way, we have ridiculed others too,

1. When someone has old customs and practices, we call them "sutha karnadagam".
2. We have done to death concept of a typical Telugu hero with the red-shirt and contrasting color pant for several decades. :lol::lol:
3. Similarly, we have made fun of our chapathi, pan-parag Northie friends. :lol:

I can quote a few things on how other state folks make fun of us,

1. Kannadigas call us 'Kodavas'. :lol:
2. Telugus call us 'Aravams' like how we call them 'gultis'. :lol:

These are for fun and exist everywhere. They should be taken in the lighter note. :)

what ? this post is scaringly clever. It is surely not SSC-Chennai standards. Please learn to lower your standards otherwise you will be termed anti-Tamilian soon. Thanks.

NDTV has removed Chennai from the weather ticker. Can anyone be more petty than this?

^lol. what?

Mallus calling Tamils Pandi is because of proximity of erstwhile Pandyan country.
Kannadigas calling Tamils Konga is because of Kongu region adjoining Karnataka.
Simiilarly Telugus calling Tamil language Aravam and Tamils Aravaadu is because of Arava Nadu adjoining Telugu country in the olden times.

[QUOTE=(pollachi)sudhakar;55891997]
You r Right TN is the seventh largest state but you r wrong about Velu Nayakan as he is only a charecter in the film called NAYAKEN potrayed by Kamal based on the true life story of Vardaraja Mudaliar,don of dharavi slums Mumbai, popularly known as VARDA BHAI and can speak fluent marathi and Bombayya Hindi.He along with Haji mastan dominated the underworld of mumbai in the sixties and seventies.

I think even Haji Mastan was from TN, Cuddalore to be precise.

^^ You are right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haji_Mastan

NDTV has removed Chennai from the weather ticker. Can anyone be more petty than this?

Exactly....ever since NDTV Hindu was launched....not sure what that has got to do with this....

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1939/chennai1.jpg
Location : Chennai

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4909/chennai2.jpg
Location : Chennai

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2659/chennai3.jpg
Location : Chennai

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Location : Chennai

^^ What is the location of the first pic? I can see ICICI Infotech building. Where is it?

^^ What is the location of the first pic? I can see ICICI Infotech building. Where is it?

The great IT corridor!

Pallavaram radial road and IT corridor meets in that junction.

1. Kannadigas call us 'Kodavas'. :lol:
2. Telugus call us 'Aravams' like how we call them 'gultis'. :lol:

These are for fun and exist everywhere. They should be taken in the lighter note. :)

Is it not Kongas instead of Kodavas? Actually that name is derived from Kongu.:lol:

And Mallus call TN people as Pandis, but to counter this in Coimbatore region college students coined another word for Mallus who use the word Pandi :nuts:

Mallus calling Tamils Pandi is because of proximity of erstwhile Pandyan country.
Kannadigas calling Tamils Konga is because of Kongu region adjoining Karnataka.
Simiilarly Telugus calling Tamil language Aravam and Tamils Aravaadu is because of Arava Nadu adjoining Telugu country in the olden times.

Perfect, but I wonder why these words have become offensive now. And why they laugh on Pandyas and Kongus? Are these bad words in Malayalam and Kannada?

Do we have separate thread for DLF garden city? Construction of this small locality is in full swing.

what we are ditching BNG..??we are just comparing our growth and their growth... we are trying to overtake them by growth... that we cant say as ditching...if one guy comes from KAR or BNG, we are not telling him bangaloreans(or kannadigas) are like this, like that(personally)..means we are not saying or comparing any thing personal or individual components with BNG and make fun of them.

But in kerala its not like that..there is one word for ridiculing tamilians, pandys..they will say pandys are like this , like that... If one fellow wears one dark color shirt, they will ask him why are you wearing pandy color shirt.. means only tamilians will wear those colors (bad color sense)..
keep on telling something about individuality and personal things about tamilians and tamil nadu...not growth related comparisons.

I can say so many incidents like this in all aspects including movies.
so these things comes from jealousy only... because they are not in par with TN in growth related things, they make some other reasons and things to ridicule TN and satisfy their ego.

It is sad to hear that folks from one of the highly literate (?) states would mock their neighbours like this. I have seen similar tones from many blogs from such folks as well. I was shocked by the attitude from one of the senior members of SSCI forum as well who kept pointing that Tamils working in Kerala are of low category coolies, and Tamil movies are watched by lower strata, etc, etc ad nauseum displaying similar attitude blatantly.

Hmm. all the while Tamil people have always been nice to their neighbours! No special endearing words for their neighbours and have warm feeling towards their neighbours. Don't forget the word gulti is used mainly in Chennai to refer to Telugu folks but not known in other places in TN. And the term is not derogatory either.

In South India there seems to be some resentment against TN, probably because of jealousy. Among south Indians, it's Keralities and Kannadigas who have very negative opinion of TN, not so much from AP. Karnataka's resentment is usually because of Cauvery dispute, but I can't see any logical reason for the deep resentment from Kerala.

Ironically, I have never seen North Indians having any dislike for Tamils, they stereotype us as lungi wearing, film crazy people, just like we stereotype them as pan chewing, money lenders. But other than that I have never seen North Indians having any resentment towards TN, especially the younger generation who don't know anything about the anti-hindi protests.

In South India there seems to be some resentment against TN, probably because of jealousy. Among south Indians, it's Keralities and Kannadigas who have very negative opinion of TN, not so much from AP. Karnataka's resentment is usually because of Cauvery dispute, but I can't see any logical reason for the deep resentment from Kerala.

Ironically, I have never seen North Indians having any dislike for Tamils, they stereotype us as lungi wearing, film crazy people, just like we stereotype them as pan chewing, money lenders. But other than that I have never seen North Indians having any resentment towards TN, especially the younger generation who don't know anything about the anti-hindi protests.

Definitely the N.Indians loathe southerners in general and that includes Tamils / TN / Chennai. Just look at the various blogs on this subject...

I think essentially people loathe one another because, we were never ONE historically... INDIA is a creation of the British... So for practical purpose/politeness/ so many other reasons, we behave as INDIANS... Internally each individual would have their own idea about their state / language / aspirations etc. which show out sometimes as resentment towards someone else or a particular state...

The Telangana issue is a case in point.

These things cannot be wished away.. but we just need to ignore these resentments and move on.

^^ True statement - as far as general public is concerned. However, governments and TV channels shouldn't meddle in this hatred business by siding with one group and spreading hatred against another through policies/news disinformaiton campaign.

Definitely the N.Indians loathe southerners in general and that includes Tamils / TN / Chennai. Just look at the various blogs on this subject...


North Indians view all south Indians to be different from them and they don't really respect south Indians, its pretty similar to how we view north Indians. But by and large they have nothing specific against Tamils.

OTOH atleast section of Kerala and Karnataka views Tamils (specifically Tamils) as brutish people, who have no dressing sense, not very clean, so on and so forth. IMO, this resentment is much stronger than the disinterest shown by people from the north.

"India is a creation of the British" - Gross oversimplification folks. What about two centuries of Indian Nationalist Movement? That does not even deserve lip-service?

Every country on earth has regional tensions, irrespective of their political history. IMO, the important thing is that educated/knowledgable people realize that they have counterparts all across the country who can look beyond this petty bickering.

Infact, Indians seem to get along remarkably well considering how diverse we are. A glance at what is happening in Europe (not a single country, but nevertheless a diverse economic entity) should give some perspective.

Perfect, but I wonder why these words have become offensive now. And why they laugh on Pandyas and Kongus? Are these bad words in Malayalam and Kannada?

I dont know exactly why they are using pandi word for tamilians...may be as u people said we are from pandyas country...

But people said here, we are also using words like 'gultis' to mean telugu people... but i think, we mention it with only one meaning.. (gultis- means telugu speaking people),nothing more than that. May be some movies, we have made fun of their dress combinations. not in every aspect, we are making fun of them.

But,here its not like that.. pandi means - who is working for low wages, not hygiene,bad color sense,watching crap movies..so on
Whenever they come across some persons with bad hygiene, they will say " PANDI POLA AYILLAE"...(as if they are only taking bath)...
I dont think so any of us are saying "GULTI MATHIRI AYITTADA".

Before coming here, i hardly (infact never) thought and spoke about kerala..
But after coming here, whenever i go home, i have to tell one bad experience to my parents...as a person staying here, its very difficult and irritaing to hear (unnecessary)bad things about my state and people every now and then...
this is the reason why that word gives offensive feeling for me...

Maybe government should censor communally sensitive speech :dunno:

I have worked and lived in all southern states and in some Northern states. I have been travelling almost throughout the country. I

In REC Trichy (NIT now), we had students from all over India and these type of bashing was so regular among us.

Peer Group bashing is so common in every state. It happens more among those who are not busy with their jobs.

One has to be sportive and if talented should be able to tackle such situations individually.

Only if it goes beyond the limit (leading to physical violence etc), breaks have to be applied.

Otherwise enjoy the show. Sometimes, it may help us understand ourselves better.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

guys am regular visitor of almost all the local city discussion in this SSC forum.. i havent had come across language kinda issues any thread.. it feels like we are inferior complex towards other language/city.. and i observe most of the forumers are hatred to other languages/cities.. it really have inverse effect to those who are working in other states..

I knew, most of the forumers gonna hit me with bulsh*t... so i keep my foot away for a while :runaway:

guys am regular visitor of almost all the local city discussion in this SSC forum.. i havent had come across language kinda issues any thread.. it feels like we are inferior complex towards other language/city.. and i observe most of the forumers are hatred to other languages/cities.. it really have inverse effect to those who are working in other states..

I knew, most of the forumers gonna hit me with bulsh*t... so i keep my foot away for a while :runaway:
^^
People generally don't discuss language issues in skyscraper city threads. Some of the comments here are based on experience working with other state people. The message boards in Rediff, Times of India, Express Buzz etc are few examples to see "Unity in Diversity" philosophy in action. There is no inferiority complex but a general frustration when we get bashed consistently due to our history with anti-Hindi agitation. I feel a bunch of tribes that have few things in common but differ on culture, language etc are forced to co-exist due to various reasons. Kingdoms have ruled us as one or more entities through out the history and the Indian'ness is missing or going down day by day. People don't want to share water, electricity, resources etc. They don't like people migrating from other states. States fight on boundary issues like seperate countries. Why do we do this if we have a feeling of one country ? Why is karnataka trying to build a legislative complex in Belgaum (to counter Maharsatra)?
If we need to improve our relations, the central government should just dissolve all states, split the regions for administrative purpose and nationalize important resources to equally share among all regions. That can set the stage for the country to prosper.

^^ you knew you spewed bulls**t and are running away because you expect it to be returned. Your statement is bull because some members are talking from their experience amidst living with these people and their statements are not based on visiting SSCI or other internet forums alone like yours. If you wanted to say that it was a baseless fiction, you could have said that the epithets being thrown around for Tamils do not exist but you wont say that, will you?

Anywasy, Fear not for retaliation::)
Kural:
இன்னா செய்தாரை ஒருத்தல் அவர் நாண
நன்னயம் செய்து விடல். :)

Kural is the basis for Tamils' character.

Do you want to know why they are nicer to their guests and neighbours? Read the chapter on Hospitality in Kural.

A sample here:
மோப்ப குழையின் அனிச்சம் முகந்திரிந்து
நோக்க குழையும் விருந்து.

ya...may be.. this is true..it can be shown in movies here and there for some fun...

but they should not do this on regular basis and on your face in a public place...
In front of me only they will make these type of comments about my state and people when 10 people are there... not only pandi..so many things like cleanliness, movies (rajinikant vs mohanlal),literacy, language..etc..then i have to speak back harshly to make them stop that...this sometimes hurts...
Comon man why get hurt.Repartee with a smile will make the keralites wobble.Talk to them about sex and women they become uncomfortable.Tamilians or I may say people of TN are large hearted people to make a malayalee MGR as their chief minister and a maharashtrian/Kannadiga Rajani Kant as the super star.:)

^^ It is sad that no one produced the equivalent of Kural in other languages. Only ones that spew hatred.

^^ you knew you spewed bulls**t and are running away because you expect it to be returned. Your statement is bull because some members are talking from their experience amidst living with these people and their statements are not based on visiting SSCI or other internet forums alone like yours. If you wanted to say that it was a baseless fiction, you could have said that the epithets being thrown around for Tamils do not exist but you wont say that, will you?

:bash:Yes, some of the forumers were very brutal as they never hesitate to grab bullsh** from cow’s assho**..
my intention is to stop this irrelevant discussion and concentrate the sole purpose of this thread…
I meant to say we always have a feeling of inferiority with other states, whereas the reality is we are superior than most of the states in our country in most of the aspects, something we should be proud of that not to deject. Yes of course, we do have many pros and cons of our own.. so stop complaining on others and talk abt positive and negative of ours.

As fellow member said, it’s always we mock other state habits/cultures/way of life and etc… this applies for all other states..

my intention is to stop this irrelevant discussion and concentrate the sole purpose of this thread…

This thread is meant for discussions only :lol::lol::lol:. Even very heated vague discussions are going on here nobody used harsh words like you. Please delete those words.

Everybody bound to their limits, I appreciate that.

Happy discussing, this has become a scrap thread in SSC :banana::banana:

^^
People generally don't discuss language issues in skyscraper city threads. Some of the comments here are based on experience working with other state people. The message boards in Rediff, Times of India, Express Buzz etc are few examples to see "Unity in Diversity" philosophy in action. There is no inferiority complex but a general frustration when we get bashed consistently due to our history with anti-Hindi agitation. I feel a bunch of tribes that have few things in common but differ on culture, language etc are forced to co-exist due to various reasons. Kingdoms have ruled us as one or more entities through out the history and the Indian'ness is missing or going down day by day. People don't want to share water, electricity, resources etc. They don't like people migrating from other states. States fight on boundary issues like seperate countries. Why do we do this if we have a feeling of one country ? Why is karnataka trying to build a legislative complex in Belgaum (to counter Maharsatra)?
If we need to improve our relations, the central government should just dissolve all states, split the regions for administrative purpose and nationalize important resources to equally share among all regions. That can set the stage for the country to prosper.

yes someof the points are rightly said, Even i lived in delhi around 2 years few years ago...
I never experienced any sort of racism or bashed by fellow Indians... Yes it might happened to few of them but its all how they take it... to my knowledge, its all abt how u adopt to the city and their culture and habits…

^^ It is not only about one person's experience. It is the perception, reaction, feelings and sentiments of the people at large to an entire state or people of the state. We are discussing about the experience of a large number of folks and definitely not coming to a conclusion based on a single individual's perceptions whether positive or negative.

The idea is not just react to the people having negative perceptions but also to inquire the causes for such negative sentiments as there may be something that we can do to remove such barriers and sentiments if based on facts. It leads to a better understanding of ourselves and our environment.

This thread is meant for discussions only :lol::lol::lol:. Even very heated vague discussions are going on here nobody used harsh words like you. Please delete those words.

Everybody bound to their limits, I appreciate that.

Happy discussing, this has become a scrap thread in SSC :banana::banana:

Yes boss, this tread is meant for discussions... but discussion should not lead to abhorrence of fellow state members.. as you see, there are so many outsiders(living various part of world/ other languages member)are active in this thread, so simply dont pull there legs..

FYI,.. i never used harsh words first, see above posts..and Yes, i will always bounded to my limits..

^^ you are right, my friend. We are not trying to pull other's legs but trying to understand why others are doing that to us. You don't want to know the reasons?

If you look back you are the one who introduced bulls*** in this discussion.

guys am regular visitor of almost all the local city discussion in this SSC forum.. i havent had come across language kinda issues any thread.. it feels like we are inferior complex towards other language/city.. and i observe most of the forumers are hatred to other languages/cities.. it really have inverse effect to those who are working in other states..

I knew, most of the forumers gonna hit me with bulsh*t... so i keep my foot away for a while :runaway:

Because it is not discussed in forums,that doesnt mean,it is not happening in real life...we can say so many examples like raj thackrey & pal thacrey to what am experiencing in kerala... In most northern states, hindi overshadows the regional or states language... so there may not be much problem...atleast we are discusing in forums... Raj thacrey and his party men are beating other state people...

And i dont accept that members in this forum are having hatred or inferiority complex towards other cities/languages.... Our cities/language is not that much low to get inferiority complex... Here nobody is telling an imaginary or exaggerated thing... everybody is telling their experience they come across...am telling my experience with kerala...

and am basically a telugu family guy... i dont know when my ancestors came to TN... I can speak telugu very well ( dont know to read and write)...BUT EMOTIONALLY I HAVE NEVER FELT MY MOTHER TONGUE IS TELUGU...Am more attached towards tamil.. I dont think and accept one's mother tongue comes through cast,community and by because my grand father was speaking one particular language... I feel, It is decided by one's birth and brought up place,the environment and society he is surrounded and depended on, the language basically he can think..so on..

Having said this, now i can speak malayalam also...so after knowing 3 languages i dont have any hatredness and underestimation towards any language...and i also beileve in indianness and unity..

But when one malayalee comes and comments about tamil language (repeatedly), automatically my ego gets stimulated and indianness in me is subdued,tamilian inside me dominates and i will speak something about his language.Frankly speaking this is like, telling my mother is better than your mother... nobody will accept that ...
whatever you say "university in diversity", the truth is this only.. ya.. i accept we have to be more sportive in this regard...but upto what point?....
will everybody have same amount of sportiveness??first of all why he has to speak about my language...so many questions can be asked...
This is achievable only by accepting others language and culture in a same way like our language and culture... this will need lot of motivation and education toward this.. we have to try that...sorry guys if i have told anything wrong...

But when one malayalee comes and comments about tamil language (repeatedly), automatically my ego gets stimulated and indianness in me is subdued,tamilian inside me dominates and i will speak something about his language.Frankly speaking this is like, telling my mother is better than your mother... nobody will accept that ...

I don't disagree with anything you have said.. But I think the simple solution staring you in the face here is to get some new friends..

:)

I don't disagree with anything you have said.. But I think the simple solution staring you in the face here is to get some new friends..

:)

sorry ferrari.... i dont get you.... you want to agree or disagree my statement.... and what about you are coming to say about new friends....

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
You seem to be enjoying all the fights. Probably you are a Vijay fan! :lol:

Summa kindal thaan pa...serious aagadheenga :)

You're not the only one. Every state apart from Delhi feels the same way, rightly or wrongly.

Please dont take this as emotional out burst, It is a result of the well thought statement after analysing the facts. Even you people may know all these things but still you deny these.

By north India I mean all the states that is north of TN:lol::lol:

I don't disagree with anything you have said.. But I think the simple solution staring you in the face here is to get some new friends..

:)

He is asking you to find different friends and ignore such BS, I totally understand your frustration, try to get out of that godforesaken place and move to other place. If its for work tell that to HR, if its for education while leaving leave a long letter to your principal.

The thing that is puzzling is I always thought it was cool to be liberal, welcoming and hanging out with different crowd (I had friends from AP/Marwadi and Kashmiri at College and they all loved tamils, tamil culture and food even if we make fun of those folks at times we made sure they never felt out of place) May be in Kerala they don't have such culture.


I am so happy to hear that being a Telugu guy you being passionate about Tamil and I have heard the same thing from tamil iyers of kerala being passionate about malayalam and kerala. At the end of the day where you are born and raised makes you citizen of that area and your sense belonging goes with that place rather than your ancestors home.

You seem to be enjoying all the fights. Probably you are a Vijay fan! :lol:

Summa kindal thaan pa...serious aagadheenga :)

Ennaiya panradu, ivanga niruthavum matanga sonna purinjukavum matanga. Namma oru sila idathla usupethi vidrathu ilaya, adupola ipo ida rasika arambichuten..pavam pollachi sudhakar, romba kashta patrukar pola..ingayachum polambi thethukatum. Ana inga kotradu nala ena labam nu than enaku ini varaikum puriyala :ohno: ? Nanum polambi ipo niruthikiten :)

Namma ulla erangina innum perusa poidum, adanala thorathlendu :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Ennaiya panradu, ivanga niruthavum matanga sonna purinjukavum matanga. Namma oru sila idathla usupethi vidrathu ilaya, adupola ipo ida rasika arambichuten..pavam pollachi sudhakar, romba kashta patrukar pola..ingayachum polambi thethukatum. Ana inga kotradu nala ena labam nu than enaku ini varaikum puriyala :ohno: ? Nanum polambi ipo niruthikiten :)

Namma ulla erangina innum perusa poidum, adanala thorathlendu :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

anyway i bet dat nthin will change i live in nungambakkam i dont see any boards written in tamil in fact dos signs with tamil have been removed and brought in english lol i think da the polititions so called love for tamil to spread is going horribly wrong:nuts:

anyway i bet dat nthin will change i live in nungambakkam i dont see any boards written in tamil in fact dos signs with tamil have been removed and brought in english lol i think da the polititions so called love for tamil to spread is going horribly wrong:nuts:

ulagukkellam samamazhai kaetten
manitharkellam oru mozhi kaetten
manitharkellam oru manam kaetten

Ennaiya panradu, ivanga niruthavum matanga sonna purinjukavum matanga. Namma oru sila idathla usupethi vidrathu ilaya, adupola ipo ida rasika arambichuten..pavam pollachi sudhakar, romba kashta patrukar pola..ingayachum polambi thethukatum. Ana inga kotradu nala ena labam nu than enaku ini varaikum puriyala :ohno: ? Nanum polambi ipo niruthikiten :)

Namma ulla erangina innum perusa poidum, adanala thorathlendu :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

hi... neenga sollarathu correct than.... last 2 yr,intha mathiri konjam bad experience...athuku munnadi TN vitu perusa onnum veliya ponnathilla.... athan overa polambitten... inga solradunala periya change onnum varapoarathilla..enna, oru aruthal,mana santhi..avlothan.. anyway overa polambuna mathiri iruntha sorry....itha pathi ithuku mela na onnum pesamatten...ok....happy discusions....

May be in Kerala they don't have such culture..

maybe movies's influence...


ஏற்கனவே சில மலையாள படங்களில், தமிழர்களை 'பாண்டி' என்று கூறி இழிவுபடுத்துவது போன்ற காட்சிகள் இடம்பெறுகின்றன. சமயத்தில் தமிழ்ப் 'பட்டி' என்றும் சில பாத்திரங்களை விளிப்பது போல காட்சிகள் வருகின்றன.

குறிப்பாக மோகன்லால் படங்களில் இத்தகைய காட்சிகள் அதிகம். தமிழர்களை தரக்குறைவாக சித்தரிப்பது போல் ஒரு சில மலையாள படத்தில் காட்சிகள் வைக்கப்பட்டுள்ளன.

கேரளாவை ஒட்டியுள்ள தேனி, பொள்ளாச்சி போன்ற ஊர் பெயர்களை மட்டரகமாக விமர்சிப்பது போலவும் சில காட்சிகள் இடம் பெற்றுகின்றன.

more..
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/movies/specials/2010/02/thankar-bachan-condemns-jayaram-his.html

Nice Video.

n8EXdZsEsoo

Because it is not discussed in forums,that doesnt mean,it is not happening in real life...we can say so many examples like raj thackrey & pal thacrey to what am experiencing in kerala... In most northern states, hindi overshadows the regional or states language... so there may not be much problem...atleast we are discusing in forums... Raj thacrey and his party men are beating other state people...

And i dont accept that members in this forum are having hatred or inferiority complex towards other cities/languages.... Our cities/language is not that much low to get inferiority complex... Here nobody is telling an imaginary or exaggerated thing... everybody is telling their experience they come across...am telling my experience with kerala...

and am basically a telugu family guy... i dont know when my ancestors came to TN... I can speak telugu very well ( dont know to read and write)...BUT EMOTIONALLY I HAVE NEVER FELT MY MOTHER TONGUE IS TELUGU...Am more attached towards tamil.. I dont think and accept one's mother tongue comes through cast,community and by because my grand father was speaking one particular language... I feel, It is decided by one's birth and brought up place,the environment and society he is surrounded and depended on, the language basically he can think..so on..

Having said this, now i can speak malayalam also...so after knowing 3 languages i dont have any hatredness and underestimation towards any language...and i also beileve in indianness and unity..

But when one malayalee comes and comments about tamil language (repeatedly), automatically my ego gets stimulated and indianness in me is subdued,tamilian inside me dominates and i will speak something about his language.Frankly speaking this is like, telling my mother is better than your mother... nobody will accept that ...
whatever you say "university in diversity", the truth is this only.. ya.. i accept we have to be more sportive in this regard...but upto what point?....
will everybody have same amount of sportiveness??first of all why he has to speak about my language...so many questions can be asked...
This is achievable only by accepting others language and culture in a same way like our language and culture... this will need lot of motivation and education toward this.. we have to try that...sorry guys if i have told anything wrong...

Even I don't have any hatered towards other states...only when they harm I show my defence...
Guy, I really pity you for choosing a state to live in where they call their "State" as "god's own country". :nuts:A Penniless state, which depends on tourism and NRI's for their income & call themselves a country..from this itself can't you understand their stupidity...!!!!. They have water everywhere nothing else.
I have my friends in kerala..who always scribb about the Bandhs, underdevelopment and people's lack of helping tendancy and so on.
Some of them relocated to Chennai & other cities for their Children's education. (because most the days schools and colleges are shut due to bandh):lol: "Bandh state" would be a apt word...then the former one.
Have you wathced Asianet/ Surya TV/amirtha TV's live shows.....like idea star singer/junior singer/dance/award functios etc ..they dedicate a seperate session for tamil songs, AR Rehamn hits, Illayaraja hits..dance to tamil tunes..etc I don't understand why they ridicule us and encourage all this...:bash::nuts:
Nothing against keralites...but they should first think and compare themselves with neighbouring states, their economical position, development etc before spitting & ridiculing...(finally they come and wipe of their spits themselves:lol:)

Even I don't have any hatered towards other states...only when they harm I show my defence...
Guy, I really pity you for choosing a state to live in where they call their "State" as "god's own country". :nuts:A Penniless state, which depends on tourism and NRI's for their income & call themselves a country..from this itself can't you understand their stupidity...!!!!. They have water everywhere nothing else.
I have my friends in kerala..who always scribb about the Bandhs, underdevelopment and people's lack of helping tendancy and so on.
Some of them relocated to Chennai & other cities for their Children's education. (because most the days schools and colleges are shut due to bandh):lol: "Bandh state" would be a apt word...then the former one.
Have you wathced Asianet/ Surya TV/amirtha TV's live shows.....like idea star singer/junior singer/dance/award functios etc ..they dedicate a seperate session for tamil songs, AR Rehamn hits, Illayaraja hits..dance to tamil tunes..etc I don't understand why they ridicule us and encourage all this...:bash::nuts:
Nothing against keralites...but they should first think and compare themselves with neighbouring states, their economical position, development etc before spitting & ridiculing...(finally they come and wipe of their spits themselves:lol:)

This is going in wrong direction, there are good and bad people everywhere , Please don't spew venom on all mallus.

Even I don't have any hatered towards other states...

If its true then you wudnt be writing like this.

If its true then you wudnt be writing like this.

Exactly!

aaah ....sanity has been restored :)

^^ It is better to focus on presenting a better picture of ourselves by removing any misconceptions, misgivings, defects and weaknesses about ourselves rather than putting the blame on others. Similarly, you shouldn't internalise criticisms.

You have to be mature to receive criticism and learn from it and improve yourself, if the criticisms are genuine. If not, you have to learn to disregard such harsh criticisms and move on. Such uncalled for criticisms only imply that you are someone important for others to spend their time and criticise you. Remember, nobody will criticise a dead person or some one who is not worthy of their attention.

Ideally I would wish CSK play exhibition games in Trichy and Kochi to woo more support from the regions. I would even suggest that they set up youth camps, training camps in Trichy, Coimbatore, Kochi etc to make the locals more connected with the team. This way the average Malayalee who is passionate about cricket will atleast have some local connection to CSK and start supporting the team as thier regional team.

As of now, many have raised concerns why no one apart from Tamilians supported CSK. My question is, is there any specific reasonanyone should ? Has CSK really tried out to reach outside Chennai ? Deccan Chargers played at Nagpur, Vizag etc. Punjab Kings at Dharmshala etc. Why not CSK atleast play exhibition games at Kochi and TRichy ? Both have some cricketing facility and these opportunity should not be missed.

It is the stupidest discussion ever in my opinion. It is no use being too sensitive about one's language. Language is just a medium to communicate with each other. The only thing that matters, IMO, is being an Indian.

Everything else is frankly meaningless and downright divisive. That is one of the things that the politicians and leaders (if you can call them that, like MK) have exploited and made everyone feel as if they are victims of some super conspiracy. Now the common public, just like we see here on the forum is mimicing the politicians.

What is wrong if Keralites support Mumbai Indians? Aren't they Indians as well? I was hoping that Chennai will win, but I was also happy to see my favorite Tendulkar play some delectable drives.

Someone mentioned that as big brothers we should help the keralites grow. Is it for real? Who appointed Tamilians as the big brothers? and help someone grow...come on! That is too much self importance and frankly irritating. (It is just like Indians telling the neighbouring countries that we are the big brothers. Nauseating...Bleech!) If this is the attitude (big brother) that some of us have, then no wonder they don't support Chennai super kings.

I hope people remove these insecurities in their minds and not use languages/states to beat each others up and realize that no one is bigger or holier or greater than the other in any way, shape or form. I dream of an India which celebrates the differences and use it as its strength rather than view it as a wall that divides each other.

If there is any admin on the forum, I request her/him to delete clean up all language/state related divisive discussions from the forum.

What a bad aftertaste after reading the last few pages of this thread...

Also, what is the basis of this assumption that no one supported CSK. I would personally tend to believe that more than half of India was rooting for CSK, just because Dhoni was captaining it. Just because you (those who have joined the chorus) didn't see anyone overtly supporting it, doesn't make it correct. It is just a reflection of your own insecurities. The best medicine for that is to simply "grow up and get over it" instead of vomitting it on a public forum. Yuck!

IPL has been around for like 3 seasons. It's pure business. The players in CSK team or any other team would play for whatever team. They don't have any attachment to CSK. Why are you guys fighting over this?

It is the stupidest discussion ever in my opinion. It is no use being too sensitive about one's language. Language is just a medium to communicate with each other. The only thing that matters, IMO, is being an Indian.

Everything else is frankly meaningless and downright divisive. That is one of the things that the politicians and leaders (if you can call them that, like MK) have exploited and made everyone feel as if they are victims of some super conspiracy. Now the common public, just like we see here on the forum is mimicing the politicians.

What is wrong if Keralites support Mumbai Indians? Aren't they Indians as well? I was hoping that Chennai will win, but I was also happy to see my favorite Tendulkar play some delectable drives.

Someone mentioned that as big brothers we should help the keralites grow. Is it for real? Who appointed Tamilians as the big brothers? and help someone grow...come on! That is too much self importance and frankly irritating. (It is just like Indians telling the neighbouring countries that we are the big brothers. Nauseating...Bleech!) If this is the attitude (big brother) that some of us have, then no wonder they don't support Chennai super kings.

I hope people remove these insecurities in their minds and not use languages/states to beat each others up and realize that no one is bigger or holier or greater than the other in any way, shape or form. I dream of an India which celebrates the differences and use it as its strength rather than view it as a wall that divides each other.

If there is any admin on the forum, I request her/him to delete clean up all language/state related divisive discussions from the forum.

What a bad aftertaste after reading the last few pages of this thread...

Also, what is the basis of this assumption that no one supported CSK. I would personally tend to believe that more than half of India was rooting for CSK, just because Dhoni was captaining it. Just because you (those who have joined the chorus) didn't see anyone overtly supporting it, doesn't make it correct. It is just a reflection of your own insecurities. The best medicine for that is to simply "grow up and get over it" instead of vomitting it on a public forum. Yuck!

As usual you didn't read through the discussion fully and came to a conclusion based on your preconceived notion and vomitted (used your favourite word and may be pastime) your response here.

Because if you did, you would have come to know it was not about language but a discussion about denigrating comments by individuals, and movies about Tamil people that some forumers faced. You may not care about it as you may be one of the perpetrators of it but it is not out of place in a discussion forum so long as forumers are not making derogatory statements about others - individuals, group or other entities.

You diverted the discussion by introducing a red herring in the form of some one saying that Tamils are big brothers and then you start bashing them just like what forumers had stated from their own experience. A very clever fellow!

Your passion for love of the country automatically leads to love of the state and to the language of the state as states are organised on the basis of language. Your statement that one should love ones country and discard one's language doesn't gel. Like saying 'love your neighbout but hate yourself or forget yourself'.

It was very disappointing to see even the hosting channel Sony Max was discussing in length on why MI lost and they hardly spoke about how CSK won. It felt like they were discussing about India's loss in a India vs Pak match.:bash:

i don think tht rite man.... i don know abt set max and ibn but i follow ndtv and their Chennai correspondent was shown celebrating with crowd and asking questions to them... and tht clip was coming for like 2 days dawg

Arasu,
Sorry to burst your bubble! Here is post # 4543 in this thread.

^^We are Big brothers so we need to teach them grow.

There are simply too many bubbles to prick in your post. Just for fun I will point out some here. Hopefully you can try to understand why I have highlighted some of the phrases...

As usual you didn't read through the discussion

You may not care about it as you may be one of the perpetrators

Your statement that one should love ones country and discard one's language doesn't gel

If you don't get why I have highlighted the second one, then here is a clue. My mother tongue is probably one of the 2 oldest language in India. It is not the great one that has gone out of use today. It is the other great one that is still hale and healthy and spoken by millions (inspite of all the nut cases who try to own it and pretend as if they are the saviours, like it needs one).

Anyway, if you love to carry this sense of victimization and believe "everyone out there hates me", "noone is fair to me", "someone is imposing something on me" please go ahead.

All I have to say is "good luck with that".

Arasu,
Sorry to burst your bubble! Here is post # 4543 in this thread.

There are simply too many bubbles to prick in your post. Just for fun I will point out some here. Hopefully you can try to understand why I have highlighted some of the phrases...

If you don't get why I have highlighted the second one, then here is a clue. My mother tongue is probably one of the 2 oldest language in India. It is not the great one that has gone out of use today. It is the other great one that is still hale and healthy and spoken by millions (inspite of all the nut cases who try to own it and pretend as if they are the saviours, like it needs one).

Anyway, if you love to carry this sense of victimization and believe "everyone out there hates me", "noone is fair to me", "someone is imposing something on me" please go ahead.

All I have to say is "good luck with that".

GUYS, PEACE NOW AND PEACE FOREVER ... LETS MOVE ON.

Are you a college student interested in contributing to online resources? The Tamil Internet Conference, to be held along with the World Classical Tamil Conference in June, might be an interesting avenue.

College students could contribute by taking part in a contest wherein they could work on Wikipedia entries in Tamil. Speaking at an orientation programme for students in this connection at Loyola College last week, Anto Peter, president, Association for Tamil Computing, said that at present there were only about 22,000 Wikipedia pages in Tamil.

“In languages such as Spanish, 22,000 new pages are being added every day. So there is a lot to be done,” said Mr. Peter, also an organising member of the Tamil Internet Conference.

Pointing to the different kinds of colleges in Tamil Nadu, such as medical, engineering, nursing, law, arts and science, agriculture and B. Ed, he said a wide variety of students could thus contribute in adding entries on a host of topics related to their areas of study.

“The State government has been campaigning and putting up posters to spread awareness about the contest. As of now, languages such as Hindi and Telugu have more entries in Wikipedia compared to Tamil. We hope that this contest will add to the Tamil resources online,” Mr. Peter said.

For details and registration, visit tamilinternetconference.org. The last date for submission of entries is April 30. Winning entries, to be chosen by a 31-member jury of Wikipedia, will receive prizes and certificates from the government.

http://beta.thehindu.com/education/article413829.ece

Soruce :http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/81-of-class-V-kids-in-TN-cant-read-English/articleshow/5870847.cms

CHENNAI: Nearly 65% of class V students in rural areas of Tamil Nadu can’t read even a class II textbook in their mother tongue, 45% don’t know subtraction and nearly 81% can’t read simple English sentences, the Annual Status of Education Report for 2009, compiled by Delhi-based NGO Pratham Foundation, has revealed.

The findings of the survey, which had a sample size of 33,000 students in both private and government schools, showed that while 19.4% of class V students could read words and 7.2% could only identify letters, 3.7% could read nothing. Only During the survey, the children were first asked to read a short story, failing which they were asked to read out a couple of lines. If a child was unable to read the words, he or she was then asked to identify the letters.

Vasanthi Devi, convenor of the KALVI Alliance for Education and co-ordinator for the survey, said, “While the state has been able to do a good job in getting children into schools and in making efforts to introduce child-centric pedagogies like the activity-based learning methodology, it still has to look at the learning outcomes. What is the benchmark for a child to go to class V or even VIII?”

The report, however, found that the state had a healthy enrolment ratio with just 1.4% out-of-school children in the 11-14 age group, lower than the national average of 6%. The percentage of out-of-school girls between 11 and 14 years at 1.1% was also lower than the national average of 6.8%.

The report said that not even half the number of students in class VIII could read easy sentences in English. Also, a dismal 42.5% of class VIII students were able to do subtraction. On a positive note, the report praised the state for scoring over others in getting out-of-school children back to schools, in ensuring that 92.6% of kids below five years were enrolled in anganwadis and 97% of children in the 11-14 age group go to school.

The survey was carried out in private and government schools in 870 villages in 29 TN districts. The data was collected by volunteers from 23 NGOs and a college.

Senior officials of the Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan said they didn’t believe the report and that they had "their reservations about its credibility".

Former SSA special project director MP Vijaykumar said, "The NCERT studies, which are more reliable and have a bigger sample size, gave us a thumbs up last year. The Pratham report is not foolproof. I don’t dispute the fact that TN may not be topping the list in reading and math, but I can’t accept that we are the worst."

^^ If the above stats is to be believed true, then there is doomsday for TN in few decades.

I don't think so, that the above said will be true completely... There may be some true...but not this much high...:bash:

I don't know on what basis they took this survey...?:ohno:

Status of rural schools are just awful, most of the days schools are open just for the sake of it. Teacher-student ratio is very low, actually there would be one or two teachers only for the entire school. Considering all that, this figure is not very surprising.

I don't think so, that the above said will be true completely... There may be some true...but not this much high...:bash:

I don't know on what basis they took this survey...?:ohno:

It is a fact which cannot be dismissed.I find the population in the hinterland of TN completely cut from this world.Teachers in many schools in rural parts of Tiruchi,karur where i saw woefully illequiped to teach.If that is the case how will they be able to produce results.

I almost forgot what this thread is about.

Guys! Lets get back on rails.

Recently, we did a survey on primary and secondary education and another on Preparedness of Graduates for Employment.

Though I can not give the report details, The highlights are as follows.

In many villages one teacher schools are existing in paper but not functioning at all. The teacher comes only on the day before his / her salary is paid and write reports. The salary is generally withdrawn from the nearest branch of SBI which may not be in the village.

In a few schools (Refreshing contrast), the Head Masters / concerned teachers make it a point to go the houses of some students in the morning, who avoid classes and bring them to school. Some of them pay from their salary for the books and notebooks of poor students.

In many rural schools only noon meal scheme is functioning and not classes.

The bulk of the expenses go towards the Noon meal Scheme and the salaries only and not for the infra.

Teacher Training and Teacher Selection methods are better not discussed here lest it may surpass IPL scam.

^^ Now whats your overall point? Is the above survey true?

In a few schools (Refreshing contrast), the Head Masters / concerned teachers make it a point to go the houses of some students in the morning, who avoid classes and bring them to school. Some of them pay from their salary for the books and notebooks of poor students.

this is really good this was also happened during my school days at my native place...I really thanks to those teachers are really concerned about student who lives below poverty line...:applause:

but, here what my question is how people/president from the village allow a teacher getting paid without teaching...?:bash:

makkal namma kaiyil thaan irukku... ovvoru kiramathulayum irukka president poruppa nadanthukittanganaa intha piratchanaye irukkaathu...:bash:

http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/29/stories/2010042960430400.htm

The Chennai Corporation today passed a resolution banning the sale of water packets in the city.

All major arterial roads in Chennai would be named after ancient poets

On the toll free phone number given for informing about mentally challenged persons, as many as 420 calls were received yesterday. Of them, 22 persons were rescued and had been admitted to the Institute of Mental Health (IMH).


http://newstodaynet.com/newsindex.php?id=21968%20&%20section=7

IPL has been around for like 3 seasons. It's pure business. The players in CSK team or any other team would play for whatever team. They don't have any attachment to CSK. Why are you guys fighting over this?

What you mean by players have no attachment to CSK. They all showed good commitment to the team and there was excellent team spirit.

In the next auction if they are taken by some other franchise, they will show commitment to their new team and we fans will support CSK no matter whichever player plays for CSK next year.

Those who are bothered about keralities are not supporting CSK, I have an idea. How about taking Sreeshanth in to CSK? you guys decide whether you need Sreeshanth or Keralities support??

hmm guys how do the people of Chennai and TN think about Mumbai? Is it good or bad? or a bit of both.

Like to hear ya opinion

hmm guys how do the people of Chennai and TN think about Mumbai? Is it good or bad? or a bit of both.

Like to hear ya opinion
^^ Let peace be on you. After 2days of venom over state, language, cricket and a lot other, this thread just got back normal. Do not start all over again.

If someone wants to reply, please do that on Mumbai Discussions thread here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1092549)

Jai Ho!!

^^ Let peace be on you. After 2days of venom over state, language, cricket and a lot other, this thread just got back normal. Do not start all over again.

Jai Ho!!

ok

The Chennai Corporation today passed a resolution banning the sale of water packets in the city.
http://newstodaynet.com/newsindex.php?id=21968%20&%20section=7

That's not really good, in this heat these water packets are very useful, especially for people with not a lot of money, buttermillk packets (Rs 5) and mineral water bottles 10 and above) are way too costly for daily wage workers and other such low wage earners who struggle in this heat.

^^

I welcome this move, this saves plently of plastic waste and lot of minor accidents as people just litter it with small amount of water when people stamp on it, it is slippery and people fall down.
The Re 1 water packet is as safe as drinking it from tap water. (you know what i mean)

^^ Now whats your overall point? Is the above survey true?


Education survey in Rural schools
TN is not doing that great many states are doing better.
http://www.asercentre.org/index.php

I believe in this survey and situation is bad. Look at TN,kerala,Andhra and some other states. We are almost in the last half.

this is really good this was also happened during my school days at my native place...I really thanks to those teachers are really concerned about student who lives below poverty line...:applause:

but, here what my question is how people/president from the village allow a teacher getting paid without teaching...?:bash:

makkal namma kaiyil thaan irukku... ovvoru kiramathulayum irukka president poruppa nadanthukittanganaa intha piratchanaye irukkaathu...:bash:

My parents came from rural tamilnadu and they seem to be well educated and my dad even remembers how his teachers went out of the way to educate by giving incentives from salary etc, this was 60's when the literacy was low and the teachers qualification was high school to teach primary. I am so surprised to see such pathetic state when govt is paying exhorbitant salary to teachers in govt schools compared to private.

However even in small villages people try to put the kids in private english medium schools if they can afford (readn 50% of salary) hopefully those private schools function well to educate the future generations

I believe in this survey and situation is bad. Look at TN,kerala,Andhra and some other states. We are almost in the last half.

Looking at this stats, it looks like doomsday to TN, With not much natural resources the fundamental strength was education, It is deeply upsetting. I hope TN takes action on it

On the other hand, I hear success stories around Activity based learning prooving to be really useful and TN seems to be the leader and they show videos of kids doing montessori style stuff in primary school, Maybe it is just a show off in one specific school, They keep claiming other states are trying to implement what happened in Tamilnadu

http://www.ssa.tn.nic.in/Achievements.htm

That's not really good, in this heat these water packets are very useful, especially for people with not a lot of money, buttermillk packets (Rs 5) and mineral water bottles 10 and above) are way too costly for daily wage workers and other such low wage earners who struggle in this heat.

good move!!

My parents came from rural tamilnadu and they seem to be well educated and my dad even remembers how his teachers went out of the way to educate by giving incentives from salary etc, this was 60's when the literacy was low and the teachers qualification was high school to teach primary. I am so surprised to see such pathetic state when govt is paying exhorbitant salary to teachers in govt schools compared to private.

However even in small villages people try to put the kids in private english medium schools if they can afford (readn 50% of salary) hopefully those private schools function well to educate the future generations

I studied in govt.aided school in rural TN...and i have friends,studied in govt.schools in nearby villages... those were good schools only... i know some teachers were helping to buy books to some students also...nothing much to complain about those schools...

These pathetic conditions,told in these surveys are mainly seen in primary schools(upto 5th std), where only two class rooms and one teacher will be there for all class... this should be improved... there is no doubt about that...but, there are other issues which have to be noted also there...

There are so much difference between a rural student and a city student other than education qualities alone like motivation level,exposure level,peer group influences & communication skills. For eg, a 9th std student in chennai will be having some outlook towards his preferences & his carrier. But, the same age rural student will not have this.
Even a good studying student in village wont know or think, what group he will take in +1 or what he wants to become..thats why most of the people in villages are going for teacher training after +2 without thinking much about other options..this should be changed.. these type of skills also should be taught to rural students through teachers or some other medium.. i know, this is mostly environmental related... but, we should try... when we improve all these things , automatically student's interest towards studies & education quality will increase..

And as a govt.school student i wont accept that a govt. school or teacher is inferior to private schools or teachers.. these popular private schools are conducting a entrance test for adimitting 1st std and 6Th std students in their school.. If they are not good or upto their expectations,they wont admit him in their school.. after this, parents have to spend half of their bank balance to make their children study 6th std... Taking up a bright student, and make him to score a 95% or 100% is not a big affair...

But, in a govt.school, they are taking an average or below average students and make them score a decent mark or atleast pass mark... thats the reason , why failure rates are also more in govt schools... and some times, there will be near 100 students in one class...
so for me, there is nothing to blame govt,schools and teachers as a total... i accept some bad condition exists in some places... govt. and society should try to improve that...thats all...

Sudhakar, Thx for your perspective.

Hey Sudhakar fantastic man. You look like a very motivated Individual.

Hey Sudhakar fantastic man. You look like a very motivated Individual.

I agree to Sudhakar's comments for students who went to school in 90's, But these days with communication technologies the gap between rural and urban students can be narrowed. It is already happeniong, today everyone knows about engineering college and how to get admission there, everyone knows about cuff off marks, TV /Media exposure is high, Internet is available in small towns, all we need is good media and counselling to rural students on how to succeed in life, Doordarshan should become PBS of Inda educating rather than entertaining (which they fail anyways) people.

All they need is one family member or some in the circle to lookup up to he need not me in the village but can be a distant cousin or friends cousin or someone he/she could watch, Kids need motivation and can do attitude, this can be achieved by counselling from schools, taking them to industrial visit etc..

In anycase besides these soft infrstructure development, we need hard infrastructure real schools with motivated teachers, They should conduct state wide multiple choice style exams like in US for reading in tamil or english/writing in tamil or english/math/science at 5th grade, 8th grade to evaluate the performance to improve on, providing noon meals can just bring students to school , Govt can also start mentoring program where high school students can teach small set of primary students to give more attention and also to reduce teacher pupil ratio. The govt can give money or other financial incentives (Sitting in US I can only write I feel little selfish and depressed now)

Sudhakar/R2IChennai

Very valuable in terms of perspective and suggestions by both of you.


There is a great need today to improve the educational infrastructure in our country and state. The government's focus has been limited to capturing votes even if bribing or free schemes but the people of the state have forgotten to emphasise education as was the case in the 50/60s. Government infrastructure is obsolete and dilapidated and it has completely withdrawn from the education sector leaving the field to private players. This is in sharp contrast to the US - a capitalistic country, where almost all of the primary to highschool education is with the government. While there may be a few exceptional private schools, most of them are there for money and the infrastructure is abysmal.

If India really wants to be a super power, this is one area it has to immediately start investing in. It is as important as the roads they have started to build, if not more. With illiterate and dumb population, one is not going to move forward.

[QUOTE=R2IChennai;56088609]I agree to Sudhakar's comments for students who went to school in 90's, But these days with communication technologies the gap between rural and urban students can be narrowed.

Hi R2IChennai, definitely i accept that communication gap is reduced between rural & urban areas.. but, not upto the mark... thats for sure.. i have lived in chennai...and i have seen a village where 100 family lives...so i feel the difference..ya...rural students know these days about engineering college,,etc..but a no. of students motivated towards getting a seat there and people getting seat are comparably very low..

Another thing,internet has come up to small towns..but not villages(no internet cafe in any villages).. Even in small towns, a student studying in govt.school wont be having computer & internet connection in his home, neiter he will go internet cafe by getting money from his father(infact,he will be going to movie).
But, in contrast, a 5th std student in a city studying in a private school,will be having internet connection in his home & he will very well know to operate the computer.. and most probably, they will be buying one english daily news paper in their home,he will be reading that & developing english knowledge also...

some ideas came to my mind to improve the condition in rural schools are:

1)computer learning should be a part of curriculum in govt.schools from primary level like private schools....and Internet connection should be given to schools by govt.. To make healthy browsing habits among students, teachers themselves can give some topic to browse..like for eg. INDIAN RIVERS...and teacher can ask quetion in that...( i think govt.has started giving computer to schools, dont know exactly)...

2)library going & paper reading habits are not at all there with rural students... so they can make separate library hour in all govt.schools... they can put some good books & mainly there should be one tamil &english daily...and here also teacher should ask some question from the daily to make sure that students are studying mews paper like for eg.what was the matter discussed in todays parlimentary session... It will increase the english knowledge and insight of the student...
Otherwise they can combine this paper reading with language classes also... In english period, teacher can ask 1 or 2 students to read the important news in the paper, loud in the class.. by doing this, teacher can improve the pronunciation of words of students & can tell meaning for new words also...Same can be done for tamil paper in tamil class... daily 15 minutes/period enough...It is just to initiate his reading habits and interset in knowing things happening around him... Ones he gets interset, he will continue that himself..

3)When rural students comes to city for higher studies,they have fear of communication, stage fear ..etc.. to improve this small group discussions can be held between students itself..
Otherwise, teacher can give one particular topic to every student like Mahatma Gandhi, and student should speak about that topic in front of the class... This will improve the confidence of the student & remove stage fear also...

4)Regarding motivation,what R2IChennai told is correct.... somebody in family or village should motivate the students... They should keep on telling the benefits of studying & gaining knowledge...But,in some village homes,father wont even be knowinh his son/daughter is studying in 4th or 5th std... this should change....
Still better,simpler ideas can be made & implemented to improve the condition.. for this, teachers should be motivated first.. but, it can be done...I feel Why these things are very important because,there should be one's own interest for studying whatever teacher teacher or cries.... without creating student interest for studying, nothing will change..
and some money is also neededfor all these things....but,it is not beyond the possible limit...

Makkalae, please go to TN chaibar thread and share your views on the good old DD days :)

Lets relive some old memories :)

Chennai, Greater Chennai police to be called Metro I and II

The Chennai and the Greater Chennai police will undergo a name change soon. The Chennai Police will be called the Metro 1 and the Greater Chennai Police renamed as Metro II.

The police stations within the jurisdiction of Metro I would have 120 policemen each while the Metro II police stations would get 100, DGP Latika Saran said in Coimbatore on Thursday.
..................

TOI (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Chennai-Greater-Chennai-police-to-be-called-Metro-I-and-II-/articleshow/5874537.cms)

Hi R2IChennai, definitely i accept that communication gap is reduced between rural & urban areas.. but, not upto the mark... thats for sure.. i have lived in chennai...and i have seen a village where 100 family lives...so i feel the difference..ya...rural students know these days about engineering college,,etc..but a no. of students motivated towards getting a seat there and people getting seat are comparably very low..

Another thing,internet has come up to small towns..but not villages(no internet cafe in any villages).. Even in small towns, a student studying in govt.school wont be having computer & internet connection in his home, neiter he will go internet cafe by getting money from his father(infact,he will be going to movie).
But, in contrast, a 5th std student in a city studying in a private school,will be having internet connection in his home & he will very well know to operate the computer.. and most probably, they will be buying one english daily news paper in their home,he will be reading that & developing english knowledge also...

some ideas came to my mind to improve the condition in rural schools are:

1)computer learning should be a part of curriculum in govt.schools from primary level like private schools....and Internet connection should be given to schools by govt.. To make healthy browsing habits among students, teachers themselves can give some topic to browse..like for eg. INDIAN RIVERS...and teacher can ask quetion in that...( i think govt.has started giving computer to schools, dont know exactly)...

2)library going & paper reading habits are not at all there with rural students... so they can make separate library hour in all govt.schools... they can put some good books & mainly there should be one tamil &english daily...and here also teacher should ask some question from the daily to make sure that students are studying mews paper like for eg.what was the matter discussed in todays parlimentary session... It will increase the english knowledge and insight of the student...
Otherwise they can combine this paper reading with language classes also... In english period, teacher can ask 1 or 2 students to read the important news in the paper, loud in the class.. by doing this, teacher can improve the pronunciation of words of students & can tell meaning for new words also...Same can be done for tamil paper in tamil class... daily 15 minutes/period enough...It is just to initiate his reading habits and interset in knowing things happening around him... Ones he gets interset, he will continue that himself..

3)When rural students comes to city for higher studies,they have fear of communication, stage fear ..etc.. to improve this small group discussions can be held between students itself..
Otherwise, teacher can give one particular topic to every student like Mahatma Gandhi, and student should speak about that topic in front of the class... This will improve the confidence of the student & remove stage fear also...

4)Regarding motivation,what R2IChennai told is correct.... somebody in family or village should motivate the students... They should keep on telling the benefits of studying & gaining knowledge...But,in some village homes,father wont even be knowinh his son/daughter is studying in 4th or 5th std... this should change....
Still better,simpler ideas can be made & implemented to improve the condition.. for this, teachers should be motivated first.. but, it can be done...I feel Why these things are very important because,there should be one's own interest for studying whatever teacher teacher or cries.... without creating student interest for studying, nothing will change..
and some money is also neededfor all these things....but,it is not beyond the possible limit...

I do hope a lot of things you have touched upon get implemented soon.. :cheers:

[QUOTE=R2IChennai;56088609]I agree to Sudhakar's comments for students who went to school in 90's, But these days with communication technologies the gap between rural and urban students can be narrowed.

Hi R2IChennai, definitely i accept that communication gap is reduced between rural & urban areas.. but, not upto the mark... thats for sure.. i have lived in chennai...and i have seen a village where 100 family lives...so i feel the difference..ya...rural students know these days about engineering college,,etc..but a no. of students motivated towards getting a seat there and people getting seat are comparably very low..

Another thing,internet has come up to small towns..but not villages(no internet cafe in any villages).. Even in small towns, a student studying in govt.school wont be having computer & internet connection in his home, neiter he will go internet cafe by getting money from his father(infact,he will be going to movie).
But, in contrast, a 5th std student in a city studying in a private school,will be having internet connection in his home & he will very well know to operate the computer.. and most probably, they will be buying one english daily news paper in their home,he will be reading that & developing english knowledge also...

some ideas came to my mind to improve the condition in rural schools are:

1)computer learning should be a part of curriculum in govt.schools from primary level like private schools....and Internet connection should be given to schools by govt.. To make healthy browsing habits among students, teachers themselves can give some topic to browse..like for eg. INDIAN RIVERS...and teacher can ask quetion in that...( i think govt.has started giving computer to schools, dont know exactly)...

2)library going & paper reading habits are not at all there with rural students... so they can make separate library hour in all govt.schools... they can put some good books & mainly there should be one tamil &english daily...and here also teacher should ask some question from the daily to make sure that students are studying mews paper like for eg.what was the matter discussed in todays parlimentary session... It will increase the english knowledge and insight of the student...
Otherwise they can combine this paper reading with language classes also... In english period, teacher can ask 1 or 2 students to read the important news in the paper, loud in the class.. by doing this, teacher can improve the pronunciation of words of students & can tell meaning for new words also...Same can be done for tamil paper in tamil class... daily 15 minutes/period enough...It is just to initiate his reading habits and interset in knowing things happening around him... Ones he gets interset, he will continue that himself..

3)When rural students comes to city for higher studies,they have fear of communication, stage fear ..etc.. to improve this small group discussions can be held between students itself..
Otherwise, teacher can give one particular topic to every student like Mahatma Gandhi, and student should speak about that topic in front of the class... This will improve the confidence of the student & remove stage fear also...

4)Regarding motivation,what R2IChennai told is correct.... somebody in family or village should motivate the students... They should keep on telling the benefits of studying & gaining knowledge...But,in some village homes,father wont even be knowinh his son/daughter is studying in 4th or 5th std... this should change....
Still better,simpler ideas can be made & implemented to improve the condition.. for this, teachers should be motivated first.. but, it can be done...I feel Why these things are very important because,there should be one's own interest for studying whatever teacher teacher or cries.... without creating student interest for studying, nothing will change..
and some money is also neededfor all these things....but,it is not beyond the possible limit...

The present education system even in the Urban (Esp Chennai) needs to be re-defined;
Paper-less environment to be implemented - e-books/e-boards/lap-tops to be introduced in a phased manner - in place of the present system of text-books, note-books,etc.
This will save our environment & also would save our kids from carrying tonnes of load.
Also, this would help them get familiarised with the e-media & communications.
Our state government should find ways & means to implement these in the days to come.

^^The need of the hour is to bring all kids to school/education fold, we can think about e-learining etc later..

The points put forth by Sudhakar and R21 are very valid. Why don't NGOs and corporates adopt some govt schools and improve the standard of the schools.

Another issue I see is with the kids of migrant labourers. There are so many labourers from Malda, UP, Bihar in TN. These kids do not go to school - partly because their parents keep moving very often and other issue is the language. These kids cannot go to a govt school coz they do not understand Tamil. Why can't we set up a school exclusively for the kids of migrant labourers also? Again, the corporates who engage the services of the migrant labourers have to take this initiative.

I have to substantiate further to avoid some misconceptions.

I touched upon the rural govt. primary schools to emphasise my point. Atleast the Govt schools are there in these places. No private players will come there. Private players except some big industrial houses generally dont spend on chariry esp education.

As I mentioned, our survey was also to check on the Preparedness of the +2 students for a career. The points mentioned by Sudhakar were also come across. There seems to be a big craze to send students from all over TN to Erode Namakkal Dharapuram areas where some schools specialise on MANUFACTURING TOPPERS. The whole exam model is purely baased on Rote Model and the basic understanding of subject is lacking.

We find the rural students very smart in all basic functions provided you talk to them in Tamil. Once we understand their difficulty and explain to them, they pick up very fast. The average smartness may even surpass the city students level.

The major drawback we found was their low self confidence wrt English Speaking and communication. Their vocabulary range seems dangerously low. There are lots of preconceived ideas and misconceptions about cities, corporates, girls / boys and in general about career. Their main source of information looks like TV esp SUN TV / SUN NEWS. Movies seem to have corrupted their mind in stereotyping males / females.

The edu system on the whole seems to concentrate more on books and examns. Even many teachers were blissfully unaware of opportunities, careers etc.

Extra curricular activities have taken back seat. Except sports in some southern districts, no major extra activity taking place. Even NCC, NSS, Scout movements are not popular. There are competitions on the lines of "Manada Mayilada" under the name of Cultural competitions.

The general dependence on their relatives (even long distance) for references and staying in cities seem on the higher side. They flock within their own groups.

The Reservation policy of the TN Govt has done wonders among the SC and ST community. The same thing can not be said for the BC. (much lower scale of success). Many students were well aware of the Govt help and the engg entrance examns./ counselling sessions etc.

Vocational Training is looked down compared to College Education wheras in relaity, there is a huge demand for technical guys (ITI / Diploma) than graduates. Accounting seem popular only in semi urban and urban areas.

The biggest obstacle to rural students:

The underlying single most important factor is LOW SELF CONFIDENCE.

Sudhakar, Pl add some more points like Teachers retraining,residential schools etc and send to Secretary, School Education. I have done manytimes, they are receptive.Meanwhile, Guys, those of you ,who are free on Satur Day evening, watch Pothikai TV channel at 1830 hrs.

I saw two primary schools performance, 'Bangalow Pudur in Erode ,and Viralipatti in Dindigul' .Students were doing well. Hope all schools replicate such efforts.

^^The need of the hour is to bring all kids to school/education fold, we can think about e-learining etc later..

The points put forth by Sudhakar and R21 are very valid. Why don't NGOs and corporates adopt some govt schools and improve the standard of the schools.

Another issue I see is with the kids of migrant labourers. There are so many labourers from Malda, UP, Bihar in TN. These kids do not go to school - partly because their parents keep moving very often and other issue is the language. These kids cannot go to a govt school coz they do not understand Tamil. Why can't we set up a school exclusively for the kids of migrant labourers also? Again, the corporates who engage the services of the migrant labourers have to take this initiative.

This is a nice idea...some NGO's & organisations can take up a school in their locality & can improve the standard... and we should think about other state workers children also...

and what kannan sir told about rural students are correct... lack of self confidence is the main issue... it should be improved....

and other issue i want to mention here is village girl student's education... My aunty used to tell me, she was very good at studies in school...but, after 8th std she was stopped from going to school for some small silly reasons... still she regrets about that... it remained a regret for her whole life....

so,this should also be noted... hope condition is better now.... but still some areas, it is happening.... So, govt. should also motivate village people about girl's education & its importance in a more powerful & constant manner through all medias & papers.. simply they can make awareness by advertising in TVs...Sun tv is enough... All these big medias like sun tv and all should show some interest in advertising all these type of social things without taking money,atleast in between their lot of commercial advertisements....

[QUOTE=kannan infratech;56113005]I have to substantiate further to avoid some misconceptions.

I touched upon the rural govt. primary schools to emphasise my point. Atleast the Govt schools are there in these places. No private players will come there. Private players except some big industrial houses generally dont spend on chariry esp education.


As you all know, recently central govt. has adapted a rule, Education for all.... that time, regarding this a talk show was there in some english channel (I didnt see..my friend told me)...In this show, some big personalities related to education sector have participated.... among that, one mumbai famous private school owner had participated...what she told in the show, really gave angry to me...

She told, my school fee is 20,000/month... how a poor student or govt. will afford that...and in my school,big personalities children are studying like actor SRK's kids... how they will feel comfortable with these poor students...Infact, she told, how they will sit along with them....& so many things..

it's not a good attitude...atleast some times you should be responsible... when you are taking this much money from all students, you can give education, atleat for 2 students free of cost.( anyway its not free of cost... govt. says it will pay the money).

More than that, what these type of private schools will teach to their students other than education & books....they wont teach any values of life & responsibility towards the society...(i know, some good private schools are there..am telling about these kind of schools only) i think student studied in these type of schools will respect only people who have money...compare to this a normal village or town schools (including some private schools) are far better...even education quality may be low, he will learn a healthy respect towards his society...because there should be all type of students in a class like various economic & social background.... then only, the student will understand the soceity he lives and he will develop respect towards all members of society...

Sudhakar!

I beg to differ from your opinion that the society will improve if the private schools admit poor students (Paid by the Govt) along with the rich students. It all looks rosy to talk but in reality, the poor students will be bullied and made to feel like shit. It will be too much for them when already their self confidence is low.

You do not need a branded school to become successful. All you need is good infra and quality teachers.

I was also shown the recorded version of the program in TV Talk show by my wife. The Mumbai lady was very brash and selection of her words were harsh. But she had a point. Why one wants to go to a snobbish school like that where SRK's children are studying?

Educating Female kids as you said is very very important. JJ's cycle gift was boon to many village girls and they could continue to do secondary and higher secondary education because of that. Another major issue is clean bath rooms and sanitary napkins. One Coimbatore based SHG is teaching local communities to make hygienic napkins locally and make money also.

Many schools do not have running water in school toilets even in Chennai. One of the Chennai's top school girl student swooned and got admitted into hospital recently because she was controlling her nature's calls (Toilets in her school are not clean and do not have running water).

So for more Girls students to enrol, the Govt / management have to provide at least the basic infra. In rural areas, it transportation and convincing the parents against the local social taboos.

Infosys Sudha Murthy Ma'am is giving wonderful help in promoting education in rural areas and more corporates have to come forward.

Infosys Sudha Murthy Ma'am is giving wonderful help in promoting education in rural areas and more corporates have to come forward.

Kannan Sir.....

can you please eloborate on the kind of activities done by them? I am from Germany & some of my friends were asking me about good NGO which would directly help the poor, downridden students to come up in life. Personally I dont know any. Ofcourse one can find many NGO's on net. But here the organizers would like to help only authentic persons. If you can provide me with details (if not here u canuse my personl email : saysenthilgmail.com) then I can convey the information. Thank you!!

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Tourism Secretary V.Irai Anbu and Tamil Nadu Tourism Development Corporation Managing Director A.C.Mohandoss (left) at the backdrop of Ayyan Aruvi set up as part of ‘Kodai Tiruvizha’ at Island Grounds in Chennai on Thursday. Photo: S.Thanthoni

A drive along the Napier's bridge might become interesting, at least till the summer gets over. A fibre model of snow-capped mountains at the entrance of Island Grounds would give as much respite to the eyes as the model of Taj Mahal, reflected on the Cooum.

‘Kodai Tiruvizha,' which gets under way on Friday, is pulling inquisitive visitors who pass by Island Grounds. Organised by the Department of Tourism, the fest will be a confluence of food and fun.

From picturesque settings to exciting water sports, the fest promises a host of entertainment options. An artificial waterfall ‘Ayyan Aruvi' is tucked inside the place, where visitors can take a shower at the cost of Rs.150 and children at Rs.100. Oil massages are also on offer.

Food will be a key attraction at the fest, which promises a medley of cuisines at affordable rates. A total of 15 stalls have been allotted for hotels and other eateries, providing space for 20,000 people to enjoy the fare at the same time. The department has also sourced in people to whip up traditional food of the State.

Water games apart, children can look forward to mammoth dolls and colourful balloons peppered all over the 21 acres of land. Cultural shows will also be part of the fest, said the Tourism Secretary V.Irai Anbu, addressing the mediapersons here on Thursday.

Chief Minister M.Karunanidhi will inaugurate the fest. Entry fee for adults is Rs.20 and kids, Rs. 10.

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article418139.ece

[QUOTE=kannan infratech;56116733]Sudhakar!

I beg to differ from your opinion that the society will improve if the private schools admit poor students (Paid by the Govt) along with the rich students. It all looks rosy to talk but in reality, the poor students will be bullied and made to feel like shit. It will be too much for them when already their self confidence is low.

No kannan sir.... i didnt tell in that meaning like everybody should try to study in a parsh private school and because of that society will improve....and i accept that poor students will be suppressed in those type of schools...

I just wanted to mention the attitude of the school owner...If she would have told, it will be difficult for poor students to go along with rich kids -that makes sense...really she makes a point...

But she told,how rich kids will sit along with poor kids -it doesnt make a point..she just showed her money oriented mind... anyway, no poor students will go & try this school, just because govt. made a rule...they will try one normal school only.. For just speaking,in a talk show, she is telling openly like this... Am asking what resposibility she is having towards society and what resposibility she will teach her students....

why.. rich kid should not sit along with poor kid or he should not make friendship with poor kid..poor kid is untouchable or what...these are the questions comes in mind by her statement...first of all, even a rich kid doesnt think, he should make friendship with rich kid only... these type of people make the kids mind narrower...

And i told, society will improve when different economical, social,cultural & religious background students study together,wherever it is... private or govt.school...his ideas and vision about society will be broadened by this...

good one...:)

^^ Pollachi Sudhakar has a point in that corporates (schools, companies) should contribute to the society at large to some extent even though they are profit oriented set ups because without the larger society they don't exist. I see this mentality in the US where every group in a company tries to contribute to the neighbour hood through voluntary services, contributions to the charity, army, etc. which is completely lacking in India. Even though, this mentality of corporates is a reflection of the society in which it is rooted in - there is no gainsaying that Indian society is insensitive to the sufferings of fellow beings - this attitude has to change.

Similar change is required in the education system itself. Education has also to be relevant to the society it is surrounded with and it should be enabler to finding solutions to the problems of the society. It cannot be simply memorising facts and figures and vomitting them in the exam hall. I never saw any text books trying to ask questions and finding innovative solutions. Thinking is abhorred in our curriculum.

I was pleasantly surprised at a couple of projects a fourth grader was asked to complete in the US.

1. A project called 'Invention Convention'.
Come up with a design of an equipment that would be of some practical application.

2. Write up about an imaginary animal/bird with a drawing.
About what group of species, family, habitat, food, why it looks the way it does, etc.

I was really surprised at the above projects which makes a fourth grader think.

On the other hand, our society stopped evolving because it was never encouraged to think or rather controlled not to think.

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Minister Parithi Ellamvazhuthi takes a look at the replica of London Bridge set up at the "London Shopping Festival" in Chennai on Friday. Photo: V. Ganesan

This summer, residents of Chennai can take a stroll on the "London Bridge", at the shopping festival which opened in the city on Friday.

This summer, residents of Chennai can take a stroll on the “London Bridge”. A huge replica of the bridge greets the visitors to the ‘London Shopping Festival' which opened in the city on Friday. Information Minister Parithi Ellamvazhuthi inaugurated the consumer exhibition organised by the National Consumer Fair at St. George's School on Poonamallee High Road.

With over 300 stalls, the exhibition offers a wide array of products under one roof. From automobiles, furniture, electronics to fitness equipment, kitchen products, visitors could pick their choice from various leading brands showcased.

People could also purchase their dream house and paint them with their favourite colours as there are stalls put by real estate and paint companies. There is something for children too. Many stalls feature products for fun learning, educational CDs, toys and books. Food and beauty products are also on display.

Gautam Agarwal, Managing Director of National Consumer Fair, said the stalls are spread over 80,000 sq.ft. area. The aqua show and cookery contest adds to the entertainment quotient.

“Discount up to 50 per cent is offered on products. Visitors also have the option of paying through monthly instalments on some products. We expect nearly 3 lakh people to visit the 17-day exhibition,” he said. The exhibition will be open till May 16 from 2 p.m. to 9 p.m. on weekdays and between 11 a.m. and 9 p.m. on weekends.

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Water sports also find a place at the 'Kodai Thiruvizha' inaugurated in Chennai on Friday. Photo: S.S. Kumar

Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi on Friday inaugurated ‘Kodai Thiruvizha', a festival of food and fun, organised by the Department of Tourism, at Island Grounds.

The Chief Minister appreciated Ayyan Aruvi, an artificial waterfall that is bound to remind visitors of Courtallum. The Tourism Department has also created a replica of the Taj Mahal.

Talking to reporters, Tourism Minister N. Suresh Rajan said the 45-day festival would attract both adults and children. Asked whether the government would get returns on the investment, he said “certainly we will make profits.”

“But making profits alone is not our aim. Our motto is to make the people happy,” he said. Union Textiles Minister Dayanidhi Maran, Ministers Ko.Si. Mani and Parithi Ellamvazhuthi, Tourism Secretary V. Irai Anbu and Tamil Nadu Tourism Development Corporation Managing Director A.C. Mohan Doss were present.

Chennai’s broken shoreline

For the average outsider, Chennai’s seashore usually means beautiful pictures of the Marina. The 12-kilometre stretch of sand looks even better now after a face-lift following the devastation of the 2004 tsunami. But few are aware that the coast goes northwards to less glamorous places such as Kasimedu Harbour all the way up to Ennore. And this part really looks as if it has been in the war, being battered by an unrelenting sea.

Chennai harbour was built more than 125 years ago, giving the Marina beach — located in its southern side — the scope to grow continually. The northern part of it, on the contrary, was neglected and its once-wide beac*hes have today been reduced to tiny strips in several areas. In most places, the walls made of boulders just about manage to hold the seawater.

A groyne is a rigid structure built from the shore so as to interrupt the flow of water and sediment. Its purpose is to create and maintain a healthy beach on its updrift side, which in turn provides protection to the land beh*ind. The profile of the area is slowly, but distinctly, changing. Recalls young Mahen*dran, a resident of North Bharathi Nagar: “When I was doing my schooling I could never to see the sea from my home. Today, the expansion of the harbour has led to increased erosion as a result of groynes. In fact, my house was washed away last year.”

North Chennai has more than 10 groynes constructed between Kasimedu to Bharathi Nagar. This has led to the erosion moving northward of the fishing villages. As many as 13 hamlets were severely affected by the erosion caused by the groynes. In Central Chennai, the Adyar river mouth was blocked in Pattinapakkam seashore after a groyne was constructed near it. Equally bad is the case with Srinivasapuram, further north of Pattina*pakkam, which is losing land heavily to sea erosion.

“Even the tsunami did not trouble us this much,” says sexagenarian Joseph, feeding his pigeons on the terrace of the Miracle Church of Jesus Christ in Srinivasapuram, near Foreshore Estate, which is facing severe damage — again — as a result of erosion.

In neighbouring Tiruvallur district, coastal villages like Thazhankuppam and Mugathuvarakuppam, displaced families are grappling with poor faci*lities and shortage of drinking-water. “We are sandwiched between the erosion on one side and the work of the Express highway (which will connect Chennai port with Maduravoyal) on the other,” says Marriappan, a cycle-rickshaw driver living in Palagai Thotikuppam, north of Chennai. For Mariappan, the summer heat is punishing, but he shudders even more at the mere thought of the arrival of rains.

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Making Tamil signboards is opposed by some because we have always unconsciously looked down on our own languages. This feeling of contempt/indifference is because of many reasons but at an instintive level we do look down on our respective language. The idea of giving importance to them or giving them importance always strikes as absurd. Because we know English we assume that those who can't read/understand English don't matter and are unimporant and irrelevant. Tamil is somewhat better off than other languages because of how strong its music/movie industry is. Even then people oppose this just because: "Those who are important can read English; those who can't-how do they matter anyway?" Let them be happy doing menial jobs. I think no other non-English speaking country has such indifference to its own languages.

Making Tamil signboards is opposed by some because we have always unconsciously looked down on our own languages. This feeling of contempt/indifference is because of many reasons but at an instintive level we do look down on our respective language. The idea of giving importance to them or giving them importance always strikes as absurd. Because we know English we assume that those who can't read/understand English don't matter and are unimporant and irrelevant. Tamil is somewhat better off than other languages because of how strong its music/movie industry is. Even then people oppose this just because: "Those who are important can read English; those who can't-how do they matter anyway?" Let them be happy doing menial jobs. I think no other non-English speaking country has such indifference to its own languages.
please dont start it all over again:nuts:

http://expressbuzz.com/cities/chennai/villagers-hit-out-at-industrial-park/169890.html

CHENNAI: Screams of disapproval and disappointment filled the air at Thervoy Kandigai village in Gummidipoondi taluk of Tiruvallur district, as around 1,000 people gathered on Friday to protest the proposed SIPCOT Industrial Park. The protest was registered in a public hearing in their village.

The public hearing was organised by Tamil Nadu Pollution Control Board (TNPCB) and the District Administration and was presided over by the District Collector from Kavarapettai near Therovoy. According to villagers, SIPCOT has forcibly acquired 1127 acres of meikkal poromboke land (grazing land) under Thervoykandigai panchayat which for over hundreds of years has been a common property resource for them.

Mahesh, one of the villagers, said, “Despite gram sabha resolutions and innumerable protests, including illegal detention of protesting villagers, against the land acquisition, the Tamil Nadu government and SIPCOT went ahead and acquired the land in the area”. Michelin, the French tyre company and other industries, including glass-manufacturing companies have proposed to set up their facilities on the land. The area is rich in herbs, fruits and wildlife and its agricultural lands produce up to two crops a year. Thervoy, is an extension of the Eastern Ghats and serves as a major catchment area for four lakes.

In a report presented by ITCOT, the environmental impact assessment consultants for SIPCOT, there is an inadequate picture of the flora and fauna found in the region. “ There are dubious names mentioned in the report which cannot be found in any botanical text books.

On the other hand, they fail to mention what is present”, said Madumita Dutta of Sirapu Porulaathara Mandala Edirupu Iyyakkam. For the people of Thervoy, the battle is all but over.

^^ When people in cities are kicked around in the name of development, when their costly apartments are razed to the ground for constructing flyovers and bridges, people living in villages that too close to metros should give up their lands and take compensation without making a big fuss out of it.

I wish this is sorted out quickly

^^ When people in cities are kicked around in the name of development, when their costly apartments are razed to the ground for constructing flyovers and bridges, people living in villages that too close to metros should give up their lands and take compensation without making a big fuss out of it.

No... we cannont compare a apartment and agricultural or forest land..... Ya... it is bad ( of course a type sacrifice) that people are loosing their home in cities in the name of development....

But,atleast we can make a new home or apartment by getting compensation... but, whatever compensation we get,we cannot make agricultural or forest land..(once gone, its over)..and in this area, they are saying,it is a catchment area for lakes also... and, other thing villages are more important than cities...without villages,cities wont survive,but not vice versa...

So, govt. should reconsider acquiring land,if it is true that particular area is agricultural (herbal) land.. If it is not the case, then govt. should explain the importance of the project,then it can go well ahead...

And other thing is, why govt. should always think about chennai and nearby areas, when other districts (particularly southern areas) have lot of unused lands... Govt, is ready to compromise agricultural land, but it is not ready to come out of capital.... Industries are important, but not at the cost of agricultural lands....

My point on education front.

All my previous generation relatives, were studying only in tamil medium, once they went into the college, they considered themselves unlucky and downtrodden and were bullied in the begining, but later on as things went on, they realised they had better knowledge then others and started moving slowly,mingling slowly with other members.

my uncle even went to NIT or REC jaipur and is successful in his own way.
i guess everybody could quote their own stories.
First let us open the path, then address other issues.

No... ...without villages,cities wont survive,but not vice versa...

.... Industries are important, but not at the cost of agricultural lands....


--- Hope you never experienced a life of a farmer. My father used to be a farmer with 10 acres in delta dist.. you know it is most fertile place in tn. even then life was worse than hell. rain,flood,cyclone etc etc so many uncetainities. at a max we used to get 5000 per acre as a profit.. 50k per year . thats it.

now i am an Soft engg getting 50K per month sitting in a 100 acre complex that gives job to 25000 people." decide 5000 for single family per year and avg 25k per month for 25k people...

the point is..

in and around chennai govt is giving more than 10L per acre. take that 10 Lac and come to delta you will get more than 10 acres in many place...

I think Sudhakar's point is if all the farms become industrial parks, then we can really feed ourself.

Live in the cities are made possible only because of villages, if there aren't villages producing surplus food, then cities can't flourish. So its important that farm lands are protected to the best extent possible. I'm not saying we shouldn't use farm lands at all, but it should only be done as the last resort.

I think Sudhakar's point is if all the farms become industrial parks, then we can really feed ourself.


I think you've indirectly answered Sudhakar's question on why the govt doesn't want to move out of Chennai. It is a simple thought to restrict industrial development to certain pockets like Chennai and Coimbatore and have a major chunk of the rest of the land for agricultural purposes. The only issue to consider is the fertility of the land acquired. I don't see any other problem apart from this.

--- Hope you never experienced a life of a farmer. My father used to be a farmer with 10 acres in delta dist.. you know it is most fertile place in tn. even then life was worse than hell. rain,flood,cyclone etc etc so many uncetainities. at a max we used to get 5000 per acre as a profit.. 50k per year . thats it.

now i am an Soft engg getting 50K per month sitting in a 100 acre complex that gives job to 25000 people." decide 5000 for single family per year and avg 25k per month for 25k people...

the point is..

in and around chennai govt is giving more than 10L per acre. take that 10 Lac and come to delta you will get more than 10 acres in many place...


No BB007... I am from pollachi... i think, you will be knowing its also a good farming land...and we were also having 5 acres land...but my father sold it when i was in 7th std due to some money problem..... so i also know the difficulties of farming & farmer...and now it is even worse condition,due to so many reasons like not getting people for working in the field, increase in daily wages...

But for that, if we start loosing farming land, i think its not correct... already in pollachi side,where i have seen farming land 10 years before, now am seeing buildings... it is not a good sign....Actually, we have to find ways to improve the agriculture & life of a farmer...that will be the solution....

And we can loose some farming land also, if we are not having any unused (not fertile) land around the state... but, we have plenty of unused lands in southern districts and all...then why should we have to compromise the good land and restrict the industries to one place.. and people in other districts also voicing for some industries - This will also reduce the migration towards chennai if we have industries spread over the state..and in this particular place,its not only farming land...some herbal plants, lakes also there...so, we have to consider that... If govt. is concentrating only in and around chennai, then how development will be widespread all around the state...

Am not against industrialization...i like it also...but i oppose it,when it comes at the cost of agri... Because agriculture & industries are two eyes of a state to prosper...By compromising, any one in this, the development & growth, we are looking for, will never happen... the good example is gujarat... they are front runners in both the fields.. they didnt compromise one thing for the other...

And by giving these good lands to industries,what we are going to leave for our future generation - car companies and tyre companies... they may get job, money... but what about food, environment,forest, rain, water & animals... So before loosing good land to these industries, we have to think strongly, which is more important & which will be more useful in a long run, not only now... thats my point...

Did any body check that out? Sightings reported even in Sun News.
It seems like an UFO. People who are from mylapore, beach , thiruvanmiyur did watch that. The bright light was visible for over 5 minutes but I was able to view it for 2 minutes.Missed most part of it due to cricket match.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chennai/city-opens-arms-hangout-hubs-301

May 2: With several smiles and a few frowns, Chennaiites, for most part, are welcoming the mall explosion in the city.

“It is the only place to which everybody in the family says yes,” says Sudersan K, a software employee. From movie hopping to lunch, a whole lot of entertainment can be packed in one day, he adds.

While the long stretches of the Marina and the other beaches are still popular, malls have become the one-stop shop for restless youngsters. “Malls are both safe and interesting, and we can spend hours together with friends in a clean, air-conditioned environment just window shopping or browsing for books without being questioned by anyone,” says V.R. Divya, an assistant director, who budgets for her trips to malls by cutting down on visits to the beauty parlour, and eating out too often.

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CHENNAI: As the heat wave sets in, an exodus to the airy beaches becomes an evening routine. But ancillary facilities such as parking and sanitation remain a big challenge for the thousands frequenting the beach.

S. Sadasivam, who regularly visits the beach with his friends, says: “Parking facilities are thoroughly inadequate. Some of the playgrounds and college grounds just across the road from the Marina beach service lane could be opened up for parking to ease the pressure here.”

Since there are only a few approaches to the service lane, he said parking could easily be regulated. “Only a certain number of vehicles must be allowed into the lane. Congestion on the service lane destroys the ambience of the beach.”

Apart from lack of adequate space, haphazard parking is also a major issue. “I sit right here inside my car on the service road, but never get a chance to go to the beach,” says P. Vinod, driver of a private taxi. “If I leave even for a few minutes, someone else will park their vehicle, blocking my exit.” Not much attention is given to the hygiene and sanitation levels at the innumerable stalls that have mushroomed along the beach, says A. Sudharshan, one of the stall owners. “No inspection is ever made. Every stall owner just pays Rs.20 every week to the ‘sangam' and everything is taken care of.”

Admitting that parking has become an unmanageable problem, a Corporation official said: “The number of floating vehicles shoots up during the summer months. Some kind of coordinated strategy has to be evolved to utilise the empty parking spaces available on the western side of Kamarajar Salai.”

With regard to issues of health and sanitation, he said: “The number of stalls on the beach must first be reduced. They must be streamlined through some kind of token system so that monitoring and inspection can be made simpler.”

He added that though the Marina was being projected as a model beach, too much political interference has led to a mushrooming of shops and things had become difficult to control.
source:http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/03/stories/2010050358670200.htm

Country's first blood bank for dogs set up in Chennai

Chennai, May 3 (PTI) Now help is at hand for critically ill dogs requiring urgent blood transfusion as the country's first blood bank for dogs has been set up at the Tamil Nadu Veterinary and Animal Sciences (TNVASU) University here.

"We have set up the country's first high-tech blood bank unit for dogs in our campus," TNVASU Vice-Chancellor Dr P Thangaraju told PTI.

The university had already registered 28 donors, he said adding during the last one week since the bank started to function ten blood transfusions for dogs had been performed.

Blood transfusions are commonly needed in cases when a dog suffers from diseases like Ehrlicia canis infection, which destroys the red blood cells.

Thangaraju said there were totally eight blood groups for dogs out of which DEA1.1 -ve type is the most significant as this blood can be donated to any other dog.

PTI (http://www.ptinews.com/news/636429_Country-s-first-blood-bank-for-dogs-set-up-in-Chennai)

Guys i want to share one of my experience that happened Yesterday .I was travelling from chennai to bangalore in bus yester. unfortun i didnot book ticket for my travel. so i went to koyembedu bus stand in search of bus. i was surprised to see that The VOLVO buses that are used in the city are being used in CHENNAI- HOSUR route. i really dont know why the govt is doing like this. they can buy the VOLVO long distance buses like in (Ksrtc) and use it. i felt this is very bad management and sheer inefficiency

one more problem in our state is we still dont have online booking of bus tickets(SETC) which is available in KSRTC & APSRTC. the volvo buses that are used by ksrtc bet chennai -bangalore are 99 % used by chennai people only. if TN gov buys volvo buses and start online booking services, surely chennai people will first go for SETC only and then to other state buses.

TN is way behind e-goverence compared to KA & AP. even after having IT ministers from TN ( dayanidhi maran & now Raja) ,if we are not able to start after all online booking there is something wrong with management.

one more problem in our state is we still dont have online booking of bus tickets(SETC) which is available in KSRTC & APSRTC. the volvo buses that are used by ksrtc bet chennai -bangalore are 99 % used by chennai people only. if TN gov buys volvo buses and start online booking services, surely chennai people will first go for SETC only and then to other state buses.

TN is way behind e-goverence compared to KA & AP. even after having IT ministers from TN ( dayanidhi maran & now Raja) ,if we are not able to start after all online booking there is something wrong with management.
Scamers are not bothered about governance.BTW TN in the bygone days was having one of the best public road transport system but deterioration and inefficiency set in owing to keeping the population in good humour (just for votes) by not revising ticket fares and allowing the transport corporation to bleed further by introducing innumerable free passes to various sections.As a result transport corporations in TN have become sick and are able to purchase new buses with only central govt funds.

one more problem in our state is we still dont have online booking of bus tickets(SETC) which is available in KSRTC & APSRTC. the volvo buses that are used by ksrtc bet chennai -bangalore are 99 % used by chennai people only. if TN gov buys volvo buses and start online booking services, surely chennai people will first go for SETC only and then to other state buses.

TN is way behind e-goverence compared to KA & AP. even after having IT ministers from TN ( dayanidhi maran & now Raja) ,if we are not able to start after all online booking there is something wrong with management.

How about interior state connectivity of KA & AP... like availability & frequency of buses to villages , small towns and district to district connectivity and all.... Is it better than TN?

How about interior state connectivity of KA & AP... like availability & frequency of buses to villages , small towns and district to district connectivity and all.... Is it better than TN?

TN is far better in bus connectivity.

KaSRTC, started its city bus operations in Mangalore few months back only. Till that time it was controlled by Private operator. KaSRTC operations are mainly based on profits. But they maintain the buses nicely and they got gud fleets.

One more thing in TN is, we got better train connectivity to almost all cities(with chennai). In KA not all are connected with bangalore well. Our TN government should focus on getting train connectivity to all imp cities within TN. So TNSTCs can concentrate on connecting the small towns/villages with near by cities.

TN is far better in bus connectivity.

KaSRTC, started its city bus operations in Mangalore few months back only. Till that time it was controlled by Private operator. KaSRTC operations are mainly based on profits. But they maintain the buses nicely and they got gud fleets.

So TNSTCs can concentrate on connecting the small towns/villages with near by cities.

When taking these things in account, TN is doing better, compared to KA...

The main thing now is, govt. should introduce online booking as soon as possible...

How about interior state connectivity of KA & AP... like availability & frequency of buses to villages , small towns and district to district connectivity and all.... Is it better than TN?

Apart from Hyderabad i have visited few places like Bhadrachalam in Khammam district, Srisailam in Kurnool district...my observation is that Hyderabad is well connected to the various districts of AP and the districts as well seem to have good connectivity in the interirors.....

APSRTC is the largest transport corporation in the world.

Subbu

How about interior state connectivity of KA & AP... like availability & frequency of buses to villages , small towns and district to district connectivity and all.... Is it better than TN?

I think that intrastate connecitivity in TN is far better than other than states. You can keep travelling day or night in TN. There will always be buses moving around to different parts of the state at any time. Day time frequencies are obviously much higher.

This can be due to the combined effect of higher population density plus higher urbanisation in TN.

TN is far better in bus connectivity.

KaSRTC, started its city bus operations in Mangalore few months back only. Till that time it was controlled by Private operator. KaSRTC operations are mainly based on profits. But they maintain the buses nicely and they got gud fleets.


I was browsing through forums and came across this and couldn`t help but comment on this..:)
Private operators have been operating in Mangalore region for more than 80 odd years with connectivity to the many remote places in the region. The frequency of the service is excellent with very less wait time. It is only now that KSRTC has entered and competing with the private operators in the region. I am not sure about other regions of KA though...

“Chennai is getting hot,” says Mr Abdur Ravoof, President, Chennai Real Estate Agents Association — he was not talking about the weather, but the trend in residential rentals.

It is that time of the year when schools are closed for summer vacations and families needing to shift houses are moving.

Mr Ravoof feels that a lot of people are moving into the city, whatever the reason and the Chennai residential rental scene is hectic. Locations close to schools are, of course, the preferred spots. That means the well established areas of Egmore, Nungambakkam, Adyar in the heart of the city are ‘very hot.' The demand for localities in Adyar and Besant Nagar is really strong. In the outskirts such as Velachery and Thiruvanmiyur to the south demand is also picking up, he says.

“Everyday I get a few calls from Mumbai and Delhi” from potential clients looking to move to Chennai who are looking out for a house. He attributes this to growth in IT jobs, new industrial investments or the overall economic scenario, but whatever the reason there is a growing demand, he assures.

Typically, the demand is for a 2-BHK unit with basic facilities such as car park, lift and good location. A 10-15 year old apartment of this type fetches a monthly rent of about Rs 20,000 in localities such as Adyar and Nungambakkam, says Mr Ravoof. Earlier, these would be available for about Rs 15,000 because of the slow demand a few months ago.

Rents in the outskirts to the south of Chennai, even well-established localities such as Velachery are just picking up with growing demand. A 2-BHK unit that fetched about 16,000-18,000 last year dropped to about Rs 12,000 till a few months ago because the market was strongly dependent on IT clientele. The segment had been hit by the slowdown. But now with the recovery, rentals are also picking up with the growing demand and a 2-BHK now ranges at around Rs 15,000, he says.

Pick-up in middle segment

Mr G. Vishwanathan, Proprietor, VA Shelters, says residential rentals are picking up, particularly in the middle segment, up to about Rs 15,000-20,000 a month. But the volume of business is slow. People start shifting from March onwards and the season ends by the first week of June.

The high-end segment, typically the corporate segment that pays over Rs 40,000 a month, is still cautious and is looking to economise. They are looking at cutting down on budgets and are moving to Rs 25,000-30,000 a month units.

Mr S.R. Sivakumar, a freelancer in real-estate transactions, says the residential rentals are relatively stable to the west of Chennai, in localites such as Valsarawakkam where a 2-BHK units fetches around Rs 15,000 rents a month.

With the ready supply of apartments, individual houses even in old well-settled localities were losing their charm. Apartments are preferred for their comfort, he says.

People prefer apartments to individual houses as life in an apartment block is considered to be relatively hassle-free as the daily chores such as maintenance are taken care of by managers. In an individual house the tenants often have to run around for maintenance, whether it is electrical or plumbing-related. Also, the perception of security is much higher in an apartment, he says.

Source: http://www.blonnet.com/iw/2010/05/02/stories/2010050251501300.htm

I was browsing through forums and came across this and couldn`t help but comment on this..:)
Private operators have been operating in Mangalore region for more than 80 odd years with connectivity to the many remote places in the region. The frequency of the service is excellent with very less wait time. It is only now that KSRTC has entered and competing with the private operators in the region. I am not sure about other regions of KA though...

except chennai and madurai, we have both TNSTC and PVT operators in other cities. We got very gud connectivity too. And they keep on adding new routes. We also have mini buses operating in select routes except chennai. Chennai will also get mini buses soon. Mini buses are limited to 15 KMs.

What is that ufo news over chennai ??? is that true ???

What is that ufo news over chennai ??? is that true ???

any videos in youtube?

no brother .. many people from mandaveli,mylapore,adambakkam have seen that ..it was reported in sun news too .. no pics or video yet

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/05/stories/2010050550260200.htm

Models of Taj Mahal, Courtallam Falls set up at different ends of venue

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/05/images/2010050550260201.jpg

CHENNAI: Over the next few days representatives from the corporate world can have a fun-filled evening that includes massage, a bath at the Ayyan Aruvi (artificial waterfall), music and buffet dinner at Island Grounds as part of ‘Kodai Thiruvizha' organised by the Tamil Nadu Tourism Development Corporation (TTDC).

Since Friday, Kodai Thiruvizha has attracted nearly 60,000 persons. It features different cuisines, water sports and an interesting shopping arena.

Replicas of Taj Mahal and Courtallam Falls set up at different ends attract tourists. Ayyan Aruvi started to function from Sunday and it has become a major tourist attraction.

Fun-filled evening

“As of now, we are able to accommodate only 240 people in an hour at Ayyan Aruvi. But corporate representatives are ready to pay more and stay for a longer duration. We have embarked on fun-filled evening and are yet to decide on the fee,” a top Enthrall Communications official told TheHindu.

There is also space to accommodate around 200 persons in the evenings, from 8 p.m. to 11 p.m.

Having spent several lakhs on setting the Ayyan Aruvi, officials of the TTDC and Enthrall are mulling to run it for a longer period instead of the proposed 45 days.

“May be it could operated for six months or 12 months. After the end of ‘Kodai Thiruvizha', the same space can be used for introducing more water sports,” the official said.

...

^^ Friends, if you could spend some time this weekend, do visit this event and share your experience with us. :)

This one seems to be a different event and a first of its kind in Chennai happening during summer time.

^^ The Taj Mahal replica is so real especially because it is situated on the banks of Cooum which is so dirty and polluted like the Yamuna in Agra. :lol::lol:

http://beta.profit.ndtv.com/news/show/labour-unrest-haunts-tamil-nadu-38435

Tamil Nadu has been attracting a lot of investment in automobile and auto ancillaries manufacturing, and repeated labour unrest is threatening to be a deterrent for future investments in the state.

Labour unrest is back to haunt the country's second largest car maker. Hyundai employees have threatened to go on a sit-in strike yet again after the company refused to take back 35 dismissed employees:bash:

And this even after an agreement between the two sides three months ago. The agreed deadline to reinstate those workers expired on Monday.

The workers had been dismissed for alleged misconduct. The automaker for its part has been engaged in talks with the dismissed workers for a possible settlement. Hyundai says it is willing to pay their dues and ex-gratia as per settlement.

If the strike does go ahead, it will be the third strike at Hyundai over the past year. On April 20, 2009, employees struck work for 18 days after the management laid off 65 workers.

Then again on July 23, 2009—this time the issue was a wage agreement that was signed by what the employees called a minority union.

And it’s not only Hyundai. In May 2009, workers at MRF struck work for months demanding recognition of their union. In September 2009, a senior official at Pricol was killed in workers’ unrest in the auto-ancillary hub of Coimbatore. Production was shut down for more than a month at Pricol.

Abdul Majeed, auto sector leader at PWC, said, "This sends really wrong signals. Our labour laws need an amendment. No one wins when it comes to dealing with labour. There has to be a give and take to some level amongst everyone. But our labour laws are the biggest of problems."

The existing labour laws require large companies to receive prior permission from state governments before laying off workers or hiring workers on contract. These laws have been blamed for encouraging workers to strike. :bash:With India positioning itself as the hub for small car production, such labour unrest may not send the right message to international investors.

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to view the deleted msg go here... Chennai Cityscape (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=323812&page=126)

^^ Can you please avoid posting pics in this thread.


You have made a duplicate post in chennai cityscape thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=323812&page=126) so can you delete the pics in this thread.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/06/stories/2010050651120200.htm

Corporation gets nearly 25 requests every week to shoot in its areas :puke:

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/06/images/2010050651120201.jpg

CHENNAI: Film crews have left no stone unturned when it comes to identifying shooting spots in and around the city. Of late, garbage dumping yards in Chennai have caught the attention of many in Kollywood.

Some portions of ‘Endiran,' the film starring Rajinikanth, were shot in the Perungudi dumping yard recently. Sources from the film unit said the crew had taken scenes involving the villain at the site for five days. Many portions of the movie have been shot in and around Chennai.

According to Chennai Corporation officials, a garbage transfer station belonging to Neel Metal Fanalca, the private agency involved in waste collection, the Velachery dumping ground, the Thiru Vi Ka and Napier bridges were most sought after locations in recent years. A few scenes of ‘Tamizh Padam' were shot at the Kotturpuram park.

The Corporation gets nearly 25 requests every week to shoot in its areas, including the burial grounds at Moolakothalam, Besant Nagar and Anna Nagar, playgrounds and Tower Park at Anna Nagar and Sivan Park in K.K.Nagar. Some of the other popular shooting places include beaches along the East Coast Road. “We do not permit shootings on holidays and Sundays. The companies also have to give a CD of what they shot,” said S.Selvaraj, Public Relations Officer of the civic body.

Similarly Metrowater's Kilpauk water works and the reservoirs in Red Hills and Chembarambakkam are occasionally used for shooting. The Corporation, Chennai Metrowater and Public Works Department provide no-objection certificates and the payment is made at the Directorate of Information and Publicity. “The number of companies seeking permission has been on the rise ever since the State government reduced the rates of shooting in the city in 2006. School and college students also seek permission for making films,” said Mayor M.Subramanian.

Officials of the PWD said Rajaji Hall, Valluvar Kottam, Marina beach, Koyambedu Market and Vandalur zoo are also some of the most preferred destinations. The rate for television shooting is almost half of what is charged for films.

Rates

While shooting at Rajaji hall used to cost Rs.1 lakh per day a few years ago, it now costs Rs.10,000. Those using the sands of the Marina for films pay Rs.3,000 a day. Permission is needed even to take an outside shot of a public building, an official said. The departments collect a fine if there is any damage to their property during the course of the shoot. :nuts::nuts::nuts:

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/06/stories/2010050658530100.htm

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/06/images/2010050658530101.jpg
The Bharat Insurance building at Anna Salai in Chennai.

CHENNAI: The Madras High Court has directed the State government to take up enumeration of heritage buildings in Tamil Nadu that have been listed in the report filed by the Justice E.Padmanabhan Committee.

Allowing a writ petition filed by the Indian National Trust for Art and Cultural Heritage (INTACH), a Bench comprising Justices Prabha Sridevan and P.P.S.Janarthana Raja said that immediate direction must be passed to protect all such buildings/places in the State, wherever they may be and cited as an example the 150-year-old Kuthirai Vandi Court in Coimbatore that has become home to anti-social elements .

The Bench restrained Life Insurance Corporation of India from demolishing the Bharath Insurance building without complying with regulation 22 of the Development Control Rules for the Chennai Metropolitan Area, 2004.

Directive to HCC

It has directed the Heritage Conservation Committee (HCC) to assess the value and feasibility of retaining the Bharath Insurance building. “As far as possible the building must be saved.

The Chennai Metropolitan Development Authority and the Chennai Corporation, with the consultation of the HCC, shall issue directions for the protection of the building,” the judges said.

The Bharath Insurance building, situated on Anna Salai, is an example of Indo-Saracenic architecture.

Work on the construction of the building began in 1894 and it was inaugurated in 1897 as Kardyl Building, headquarters of ‘W.E.Smith & Co Ltd.'

In 1934, it was sold to Bharath Insurance by Spencer's. Later, when life insurance was nationalised, the building and the company were taken over by the LIC.

In 1998, the LIC initiated a process of eviction of tenants in the building on the grounds that it was unsafe for occupation due to its dilapidated condition.

The HCC has been asked to recommend to the government steps to notify buildings listed by it as heritage buildings and within three months, cause notices to be issued to the concerned, especially the private owners, in respect of buildings listed by the Justice E.Padmanabhan committee so that there is no threat of demolition of destruction or alteration to such buildings.

The Bench has asked the State government to issue rules to prevent persons from undertaking any repair, even in the name of renovation of heritage buildings without seeking the necessary approval of the HCC.

3 more games to go for the FIDE World Chess Championship 2010. The scores are level now between Vishwanathan Anand and Topalov.

Lets wait for the finish...fingers crossed! :)

You can follow all the games, the recorded moves of games, live video and moves at http://www.anand-topalov.com/

Vishy - we all love you! Bring us the championship title this year too! All the best! :cheers::cheers:

^^

I understand your eagerness and enthusiasm.
But still, such things can be posted in Chai bar.... My two cents..:):)

In the same thread we have cheered for CSK in the IPL and at times even discussed match performances. So why not cheer for our local hero Vishy who has made us and the country proud? :)

CI, there is also a thread in sportsbar for World Chess Championship for game updates/discussion. Just fyi.

The Bharat Insurance building at Anna Salai in Chennai.

What is the use of keeping this building as it is? They can ask LIC to build another iconic building which will be admired even after 100 years. let them earn some returns from the property.

^^ I agree with you. If they were so worried abt it, they should have maintained it properly and not allowed it to be dilapidated.

CI, there is also a thread in sportsbar for World Chess Championship for game updates/discussion. Just fyi.
I know. Unlike chess, many people follow cricket and so we had no problems to discuss about that in this thread :)

Alright, will post it elsewhere.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOICH/2010/05/08/3/Img/Pc0031500.jpg
Two days after the Madras high court asked the Tamil Nadu government to notify 467 heritage buildings, the heritage conservation committee met on Friday for the first time to approve the draft criteria for identifying heritage structures in the city. The meeting approved the draft and took stock of development regulations, said CMDA vice-chairperson Susan Mathew.

“There are three criteria for identifying heritage buildings so that they could eventually be part of a statutory list,” said Mathew. Buildings will be assessed on their historical importance by considering the date and period of construction, construction trends exhibited and events and persons associated with them, she said. The architectural design, style and the prominence of the designer will also be factored in. The committee will also look into the cultural value of buildings, especially their relevance to the community.

Read more @ Times of India, dated 8th May, 2010 (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOICH/2010/05/08&PageLabel=3&EntityId=Ar00301&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T)

The Bharat Insurance building at Anna Salai in Chennai.

What is the use of keeping this building as it is? They can ask LIC to build another iconic building which will be admired even after 100 years. let them earn some returns from the property.

I am absolutely disgusted by your comments. I did not expect this from young,modern and educated generation.

That building is priceless.

Many countries Like UK & Australia have Heritage Councils who are funded by the Their government (In hundreds of Millions) to save such buildings.

In most developed countries even houses that are around hundred years old are "Heritage Listed" by the government which means all repairs and modification has to be jointly done by the owner and the heritage council. The government would pay for any additional cost In cured (More than modern day repair or addition)

that building is Chennai's Identity - Do you want that to be demolished and a SHOE BOX IT building.

By restoring the building to former glory, The value of the building will grow high.

Many corporate giants prefer to have there head office in such a heritage building.

Check out the streets of London, LA,Sydney, Philadelphia etc.

Outside they retain the shell heritage structure, Inside they will be the most modern.

Jaya wanted to demolish Queen Mary's Collage.

The real Chennai's Face is:

RIPPON BUILDING
MARDAS HIGH COURT,
CENTRAL STATION,
DGP'S OFFICE
EGMORE STATION
ADMIRALTY HOUSE (NOW DEMOLISHED)
ORIGINAL SPENCER BUILDING (BURNT DOWN)
BARATH INSURANCE BUILDING
VICTORIA PUBLIC HALL ROYAPURAM

People like you admired the LIC building in the 70's see how it IS an eyesore today.

DO YOU WANT TO DEMOLISH THIS BEAUTIFUL HERITAGE CLASSIC (Barath Ins Building) and put a shoe box that will be an eye soar in 20 years like LIC building?

When you travel overseas you will see how the world cherish and protect such heritage buildings.

It will only take 2 days to demolish it, can it be re created? Good example would be the pathetic High Court Bench at Madurai.

^^ I agree with you. If they were so worried abt it, they should have maintained it properly and not allowed it to be dilapidated.

young, educated and modern blood like YOU should create awareness among people instead of doing the same mistake that the previous generation did.

Save what is left before it is too late.

i agree with coffee here .. i would like authorities to restore it to very good condition and modernize its interiors for usage .. i would prefer the lic building to be demolished and reconstructed to this one ...

young, educated and modern blood like YOU should create awareness among people instead of doing the same mistake that the previous generation did.

Save what is left before it is too late.

Dear cofee, If the authorties were so concerned abt retaining the heritage, they must have maintained it properly in the first place, isn't it? They have been sleeping for all these years, allowed this building to crumble. What I heard that this building cannot be strengthened (structurally) very much. Even after the so called maintenance and strengthening, it cannot be fully occupied coz it will be a safety hazard.

Dear cofee, If the authorties were so concerned abt retaining the heritage, they must have maintained it properly in the first place, isn't it? They have been sleeping for all these years, allowed this building to crumble. What I heard that this building cannot be strengthened (structurally) very much. Even after the so called maintenance and strengthening, it cannot be fully occupied coz it will be a safety hazard.

razing it is certainly not the way to go :( when you see pics of old madras you realize how beautiful these kind of building made the city seem. all we have now are a bunch of tasteless concrete and glass boxes built in the name of modernity. how i wish we still ad the old spencers building instead of what is standing in its place now. another one that bit the dust was moore market :ohno:

I hope the future generations will not demolish the world famous shore and cave temples of Mamallapuram as it will be in the center of the IT corridor based on the growth from Chennai to Pondicherry. Some neta might come out with a plan to raze those rare man made structures and create an IT park or Financial City.:)

Dear cofee, If the authorties were so concerned abt retaining the heritage, they must have maintained it properly in the first place, isn't it? They have been sleeping for all these years, allowed this building to crumble. What I heard that this building cannot be strengthened (structurally) very much. Even after the so called maintenance and strengthening, it cannot be fully occupied coz it will be a safety hazard.

That ploy "safety concern" is normaly used to achive O.K for demolishon order.
I hope they can't fool us/court with that argument.
Any thing can be restored.

The real Chennai's Face is:

RIPPON BUILDING
MARDAS HIGH COURT,
CENTRAL STATION,
DGP'S OFFICE
EGMORE STATION
ADMIRALTY HOUSE (NOW DEMOLISHED)
ORIGINAL SPENCER BUILDING (BURNT DOWN)
BARATH INSURANCE BUILDING
VICTORIA PUBLIC HALL ROYAPURAM



Really? these buildings are British built. Indians have a right to demolish them. Why be reminded about a rule that caused India's world GDP to go from 20-30% down to shunya? All of these buildings are ancient, creaking and ill maintained by the current govt. Their utility values is diminishing as the days go by. We have to look at each one of them and ask the question whether it is time to demolish and build something that is Indian.

Central Station can be demolished immediately and a modern railway station that is on par with world standards and looks like an airport can be built. We can't cling onto these "heritage" buildings when it is in the path of progress. Anything other than genuine Indian heritage can be demolished. The current railway station is a glorified pig sty and Netas like Momta are sleeping at the wheel. Egmore station can also be demolished likewise.

High Court building is another ancient relic. It is perhaps best to reform the Indian Judicial System first since this another borrowed concept from the Brits with judges / lawyers behaving like the pompous Brits. Brits created a system that thwarted real progress of India, we are still persisting with such a system e.g. stay orders. I would like to burn down the entire judicial system and start from scratch, one that caters to Indian reality.

DGP building can be demolished and rebuilt.

Really? these buildings are British built. Indians have a right to demolish them. Why be reminded about a rule that caused India's world GDP to go from 20-30% down to shunya? All of these buildings are ancient, creaking and ill maintained by the current govt. Their utility values is diminishing as the days go by. We have to look at each one of them and ask the question whether it is time to demolish and build something that is Indian.

Central Station can be demolished immediately and a modern railway station that is on par with world standards and looks like an airport can be built. We can't cling onto these "heritage" buildings when it is in the path of progress. Anything other than genuine Indian heritage can be demolished. The current railway station is a glorified pig sty and Netas like Momta are sleeping at the wheel. Egmore station can also be demolished likewise.

High Court building is another ancient relic. It is perhaps best to reform the Indian Judicial System first since this another borrowed concept from the Brits with judges / lawyers behaving like the pompous Brits. Brits created a system that thwarted real progress of India, we are still persisting with such a system e.g. stay orders. I would like to burn down the entire judicial system and start from scratch, one that caters to Indian reality.

DGP building can be demolished and rebuilt.


I agree with most, Except for Ribbon building everything else is not an architectural wonder that cannot be constructed, Cmon guys we have to move on, We have enough heritage buildings that lasts more than 1000 years
these are not taj mahal or victoria memoial

Really? these buildings are British built. Indians have a right to demolish them. Why be reminded about a rule that caused India's world GDP to go from 20-30% down to shunya? All of these buildings are ancient, creaking and ill maintained by the current govt. Their utility values is diminishing as the days go by. We have to look at each one of them and ask the question whether it is time to demolish and build something that is Indian.

Central Station can be demolished immediately and a modern railway station that is on par with world standards and looks like an airport can be built. We can't cling onto these "heritage" buildings when it is in the path of progress. Anything other than genuine Indian heritage can be demolished. The current railway station is a glorified pig sty and Netas like Momta are sleeping at the wheel. Egmore station can also be demolished likewise.

High Court building is another ancient relic. It is perhaps best to reform the Indian Judicial System first since this another borrowed concept from the Brits with judges / lawyers behaving like the pompous Brits. Brits created a system that thwarted real progress of India, we are still persisting with such a system e.g. stay orders. I would like to burn down the entire judicial system and start from scratch, one that caters to Indian reality.

DGP building can be demolished and rebuilt.

I completely agree with you. These are just British buildings having lots of wasted space. Just see the High court Lawyer rooms. Too narrow, dark and completely useless. More over those dooms which are just waste of money. Time for us to forget the bad memories of those days. These buildings are no wonders or marvels which needs to kept forever.

New proper green buildings with gold or platinum rated can be constructed in that place which will help in saving energy and also economically.

Really? these buildings are British built. Indians have a right to demolish them. Why be reminded about a rule that caused India's world GDP to go from 20-30% down to shunya?

DGP building can be demolished and rebuilt.

Where did you get this # from? Any sources? Just curious.

Where did you get this # from? Any sources? Just curious.
It is true, and in this case you can believe Wikipedia and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_%28PPP%29) is the source.

Much of India rather likes Britain, or at least its own idea of Britain. It just can't be bothered to keep up with British politics and has little interest in who becomes prime minister of the small, sceptred isle that determinedly linked its fate to ours from 1614.

TOI-Synovate's five-metro survey of educated Indians aged between 18 and 35 has found that the majority of respondents, except in Kolkata, did not know Britain had a general election on Thursday, May 6 and 48% overall did not even want to know who would be the next inhabitant of 10 Downing Street. Bangalore (62%), Mumbai (50%), Delhi (59%) and Kolkata (58%) revealed deep incuriousness about the next British prime minister.

Chennai, however, is the exception — and a stunningly positive one at that — with 98% of respondents expressing an abiding interest in who governs Britain.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/Who-will-be-Britains-next-prime-minister--Do-we-care/articleshow/5908206.cms