Notice they use an old render where it was much taller in that video? :lol:

Ps. Penis Zebra Chairs.

Strangely, they never did come up with a new render. That does seem rather cheesy for such a big budget operation.

Optimistically they have been hiding a secret on height from us all. Realistically however it's most likely because the design itself didn't change by much and it wasn't worth the cost of commissioning another expensive render and model.

it can't be money...

imo, the original renders & promo video showed TT at its best, its heyday; tall, triumphant and very visible from all directions with that conspicuous corner-spire clearly outrising Scotia & FCP -and this was the/an original intent.
-it was to be the new tallest. (Stinson deserves much credit for that)
-then its height was reduced. (for whatever reason)...
-its impact on the skyline has been greatly reduced...
today, for marketing purposes, i think they want to show Trump in its best possible light -even if they have to disingenuously sell the old 'vision'.
ironically, i think they count on perspectives being indifferent to 'exact' exterior details beyond their own perch holes. It's the crown molding & carrera marble they'll not be willing to compromise with!

it can't be money...

imo, the original renders & promo video showed TT at its best, its heyday; tall, triumphant and very visible from all directions with that conspicuous corner-spire clearly outrising Scotia & FCP -and this was the/an original intent.
-it was to be the new tallest. (Stinson deserves much credit for that)
-then its height was reduced. (for whatever reason)...
-its impact on the skyline has been greatly reduced...
today, for marketing purposes, i think they want to show Trump in its best possible light -even if they have to disingenuously sell the old 'vision'.
ironically, i think they count on perspectives being indifferent to 'exact' exterior details beyond their own perch holes. It's the crown molding & carrera marble they'll not be willing to compromise with!



I agree with all that except for the Stinson comment. The Trump organization never paid any attention to Stinsons sideshow Stinson tried to make it a competition but only he increased his buildings height.

Great photos everyone

Folks. It's simply a cost issue. Yes, the design of the tower has changed slightly during the past few years, but the changes are minor from an exterior design-perspective. Yes, we lost some of the nice setback features high-up, but outside of the folks here and in the architectural community, I think most people would be hard-pressed to discern the differences. The benefit of doing new exterior renderings didn't outweigh the cost. It was better to spend that money on the interior renderings.

And no, Stinson had no affect whatsoever on anything we have ever done.

I wouldn't be lying if I said I wish we were still at 1050 feet. But we're not. And after being up in the tower and seeing the views from the 40th floor, I'm quite content with the fact that we are where we are at. It's getting built! Which is a lot more than you can say for Sapphire and other projects that have come and gone over the past several years. It would be nice to be the tallest building in Canada, but being the number 2 or 3rd tallest isn't so bad. It's still the tallest residential building!

it can't be money...

imo, the original renders & promo video showed TT at its best, its heyday; tall, triumphant and very visible from all directions with that conspicuous corner-spire clearly outrising Scotia & FCP -and this was the/an original intent.
-it was to be the new tallest. (Stinson deserves much credit for that)
-then its height was reduced. (for whatever reason)...
-its impact on the skyline has been greatly reduced...
today, for marketing purposes, i think they want to show Trump in its best possible light -even if they have to disingenuously sell the old 'vision'.
ironically, i think they count on perspectives being indifferent to 'exact' exterior details beyond their own perch holes. It's the crown molding & carrera marble they'll not be willing to compromise with!

Folks. It's simply a cost issue. Yes, the design of the tower has changed slightly during the past few years, but the changes are minor from an exterior design-perspective. Yes, we lost some of the nice setback features high-up, but outside of the folks here and in the architectural community, I think most people would be hard-pressed to discern the differences. The benefit of doing new exterior renderings didn't outweigh the cost. It was better to spend that money on the interior renderings.

And no, Stinson had no affect whatsoever on anything we have ever done.

I wouldn't be lying if I said I wish we were still at 1050 feet. But we're not. And after being up in the tower and seeing the views from the 40th floor, I'm quite content with the fact that we are where we are at. It's getting built! Which is a lot more than you can say for Sapphire and other projects that have come and gone over the past several years. It would be nice to be the tallest building in Canada, but being the number 2 or 3rd tallest isn't so bad. It's still the tallest residential building!


Well said. Thanks for all the great updates. :cheers:

Thank you for your 'insider' response trumptoronto. Mine is only one man's opinion, subject to caprice. I'll concede the 'Stinson effect' on TT but i'm still suspicious. It' s common knowledge that the Trump 'brand' has made it's bones building especially tall, A class, 'attention greedy' towers; imo, this was a missed opportunity. "Trump" and "satisfied with 2nd or "3rd" doesn't quite 'fit'.

I'm no realtor or economist but i remain puzzled as to why TT didn't (bite the bullet and) just build up to its full approved height. There's been a steady stream of new condos, condo/hotels proposed and/or built all around Trump! How was it deemed 'unfeasible' not to add the extra ten or so floors -as originally planned? Wasn't there an 'economies of scale' opportunity here? Certainly, eventually, they would have sold off, no?

Folks. It's simply a cost issue. Yes, the design of the tower has changed slightly during the past few years, but the changes are minor from an exterior design-perspective. Yes, we lost some of the nice setback features high-up, but outside of the folks here and in the architectural community, I think most people would be hard-pressed to discern the differences. The benefit of doing new exterior renderings didn't outweigh the cost. It was better to spend that money on the interior renderings.

And no, Stinson had no affect whatsoever on anything we have ever done.

I wouldn't be lying if I said I wish we were still at 1050 feet. But we're not. And after being up in the tower and seeing the views from the 40th floor, I'm quite content with the fact that we are where we are at. It's getting built! Which is a lot more than you can say for Sapphire and other projects that have come and gone over the past several years. It would be nice to be the tallest building in Canada, but being the number 2 or 3rd tallest isn't so bad. It's still the tallest residential building!



Thanks for your input, sir! Maybe you will invite us up to a high floor to have a look around when it is all done!!! (**hint hint hint**) :D

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Exciting stuff. Hotel's sched'd to open this spring!

This spring? Seriously? They better hurry up...

The tower should be topped out by spring and most of the exterior in place. It's not much different than RoCP except that the two halves of Trump are disconnected from one another.

This building is still awful. Sad.

I didn't mind it at first, but the green glass is getting on my nerves. The tacky onion dome looks like it belongs in 1995, not 2011.

Yeah. I went from excited to indifferent to disappointed :(

I have a feeling many of you will change your tune when this building is complete.

The sheer density it creates is enough for me.

I have a feeling many of you will change your tune when this building is complete.

Everyone hated the Uptown before it finally topped out. It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Everyone hated the Uptown before it finally topped out. It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

I didn't hate Uptown until it topped out.

:lol:

Even so, there was a whole lotta hate going down in the Uptown thread till it got closer to its final proportions.

I liked Lightbox a lot more when it was done than when it was half built.

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Nice shots.

:lol:

Even so, there was a whole lotta hate going down in the Uptown thread till it got closer to its final proportions.

I liked Lightbox a lot more when it was done than when it was half built.

Same here lol, I was terrified watching lightbox go up, but I must say I was pleasantly surprised.

The tower should be topped out by spring and most of the exterior in place. It's not much different than RoCP except that the two halves of Trump are disconnected from one another.

This building is still awful. Sad.

Hhhmmm, if anything I am disappointed that the building has been scaled down so much, it's design simply does not work as well at its current height. As for the look of the building, It looks pretty much like I expected it to look like as far as glass and cladding go.

Hhhmmm, if anything I am disappointed that the building has been scaled down so much, it's design simply does not work as well at its current height. As for the look of the building, It looks pretty much like I expected it to look like as far as glass and cladding go.

Speaking of "glass", was anyone hurt from the fallin debris tonight? Damn crane. Just heard it on my way home from work.

http://www.680news.com/news/local/article/177182--section-of-adelaide-reopens-after-glass-falls-from-building

I guess construction will be halted for the rest of the week, while they investigate.

I hope they don't keep the road closed off forever, like that partial blockage on Yonge Street. Even now that the old burnt building has been completely razed to the ground, it doesn't appear that anyone at the City has remembered to unblock Yonge Street. It's been there for so many months they have probably just forgotten it. Maybe they are afraid that the odd brick lying on the ground is going to fling itself up in the air, fly over 100 feet and clunk onto someone's head on Yonge Street.

I love it!

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^^I'm trying to picture this building completed at night with the light accent shooting up from the base to the spire. :cheers:

really love this one showed 3 tallest tower of Canada :banana:


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I think you mistook B&A for FCP! But I can see why from this view.

We should be expecting another setback in the floorplates soon.

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This building looks pretty elegant at night!

^ A lot of things look better at night =P

I forgot the punchline,

because its something you realize in the morning, boo yeahhhh

Here are some pictures I took when I was in Toronto 2 days ago:

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:cheers:

great shots!! Very well done!

Found these on facebook.

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Exciting seeing the insider's view of construction!

Great pics! Finally got down to site today, much more impressive in person when you look up at Bay and Adelaide. Amazing street corner!

Everyone hated the Uptown before it finally topped out. It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

My feelings haven't change over Uptown during the construction process. Uptown's 160 metre stature will undoubtably win the majority over. I'm not one to get wrapped up in height though.

The interiors are stunning!

My feelings haven't change over Uptown during the construction process. Uptown's 160 metre stature will undoubtably win the majority over. I'm not one to get wrapped up in height though.


For me the height has little to do with how well I feel it turned out. The set backs and deco design are what have one me over. Mind you I liked uptown from design to completion.

Well, I would say rather obviously the 160 metre height was necessary to give the correct proportions to the tower. A short squat 100 metre tower just wouldn't have cut it.

You can still get a great deco feel with setbacks in a shorter tower.

Uptown turned out exactly as I expected

Naturally.

You'll never be accused of changing your mind on anything, dleung.

That's cuz I'm almost always right, like it or not

Nonetheless I did changed my mind on Trump :D

Let me guess. You originally only "hated" it, and now you "MegaHate" it.

It's starting to give off that NYC feel that Trump was after.

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Let me guess. You originally only "hated" it, and now you "MegaHate" it.

something like that :|

something like that :|

Naturally.

lol :lol: That's what the kids in the class I teach said.


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Actually it just that when Trump was first announced, it was so long ago that I was still a young un. Now that I'm in grad school, I realize PoMo and quarter-onion spires aren't cool anymore :lol:

lol :lol:

PoMo has never really gone out of style...

I'd love more po-mo style developments. The modernism is getting tiring. I love X and Casa but Southcore FC is a complete dud!

PoMo has never really gone out of style...

Especially in Vancouver, where it is quite often used for new architecture.
Personally, I think it was out of style a good 20 years ago.

What most people don't understand is PoMo was never really a set style though. It, and modernity have always been an ideology that spawned many different styles from it. So in that sense it never goes out of style, just the facets of it. As for the "Manhattan" style Trump is going for, I don't think a geographical style will ever end until all its remnants are gone.

PoMo changed as it went along, but the thrust of the movement was an attempt to introduce whimsy and stylised historical references to contemporary architecture. There are wonderful examples of it (AT&T building in New York) but by and large it degenerated to a cheap n cheerful style churned out by the countless thousands. Work-a-day architects pumping out bland buildings loved the inexpensive triangular pediment motif (what could be simpler or cheaper to build?) and it got overdone. Playful mixing of different styles and colours of cladding is to my eye the identifying characteristics that could classify the Trump Tower as PoMo. It doesn't have the arches, pediments and pared down classical references, however. Like many novelty styles, PoMo gained steam with intricate historical reference as it went along, culminating in such frothy Byzantine extravaganzas as the old King Street Holiday Inn, and the Police Station on Grenville. Such excess was, in my opinion, responsible for the downfall of the movement. People tire of "novelty" highrise styles very quickly, as they begin to look tired and dated very quickly. Same fate awaits the thousands of faux-twisties and corkscrew dildotowers around the world.

I feel like Toronto missed out on the "ironic" side of PoMo. Whereas we got stuck with the more of the romanticized, neo-"blank" styles. Though he's not even close to my favourite architect, the tongue in cheek style of Bob Venturi would have been interesting amongst the concrete sprawl. Almost all "Post Modern" skyscrapers, in my opinion, are just reincarnations of previous styles before modernity with modernist materials and technologies. The whole ideology and thought process of what PoMo truly was wasn't considered at all.

There were some great examples, but by and large around the world most of it became boring pretty fast. To be honest, I think we got our fair share of PoMo, and am rather happy that it basically finished here awhile back. I gag when I see new buildings going up with clichéd PoMo historical references, or playful takeoffs of The Chrysler Building, etc..... It was intended to be a bit revolutionary and unconventional, but most such overly decorative movements wound up being a parody of the original intent. Such was also the case with the Art Deco movement. By the time it petered out in the 50's, everyone was thoroughly sick of it.

The Post-Information age (as I'm being told we're calling it) really has become about transparency, personally I'd love to see the use of technology in facade work, being in harmony with the technological style of living we find ourselves in.

On the topic of Trump though, I think it's style fits wonderfully with the box like surroundings.

What most people don't understand is PoMo was never really a set style though. It, and modernity have always been an ideology that spawned many different styles from it. So in that sense it never goes out of style, just the facets of it. As for the "Manhattan" style Trump is going for, I don't think a geographical style will ever end until all its remnants are gone.

There's PoMo the ideology which you're referring to, and then there's PoMo the office towers we know from the 80's, with the ornamental (and highly unnecessary) play on punched windows.

Especially in Vancouver, where [PoMo] is quite often used for new architecture. Personally, I think it was out of style a good 20 years ago.

Huh?

There's PoMo the ideology, and then there's PoMo the office towers we know from the 80's, with the ornamental (and highly unnecessary) play on punched windows.


Even those were a play on some other previous style though. They just happened to fit into the pluralist nature of post-modernity.

Montreal has some of the best PoMo towers in the nation. I'm trying to think of a PoMo tower in Toronto and I'm finding it tough to do. Is Brookfield Place PoMo? I think people are right to say Toronto missed out on the Pomo boom through the 80'ws and 90's.

Brookfield is "PoMo" by definition, yes. But it was late into the game... It's almost a "PoPoMo" tower. 1990's were more the beginning of Decon.

PoMo in Toronto would be Scotia Plaza, Brookfield Place, One Financial Plaza (Dundee Tower I think now) and others... Our PoMo towers are more refined, less loud and bombastic.

If we got the original Bay Adelaide tower we'd definitely have your quintessential PoMo tower complete with pyramid.

http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/baevolution.jpg

Version 3 kinda reminds me of Aura.

To be honest, seeing what could have been makes me like the current version better.

I liked number 2 and the one we got. The third was just bad.

^^ +1

I only like the original more than the final, personally. It's a really high quality box.

Huh?

Huh, what?



The most expensive building in the city remains the Kingswood Shaughnessy near 16th ave, where prices average $4.5 million.
http://www.lestwarog.com/kingswood/images/3.jpg
http://www.lestwarog.com/kingswood/images/14.jpg
lestwarog.com




The Grace, which is as PoMo as the day is long:

http://www.lestwarog.com/1280richards/images/22.jpg
http://multimedia.thestar.com
http://www.lestwarog.com/1280richards/
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Artemisia
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I love to live in this building.

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Plus, a visitor to Vancouver notices how popular the style was for smaller two or three storey buildings, too. I notice the same trend in Winnipeg when I visit there: PoMo was broadly adapted for quite a long time.



Montreal has some of the best PoMo towers in the nation. I'm trying to think of a PoMo tower in Toronto and I'm finding it tough to do. Is Brookfield Place PoMo? I think people are right to say Toronto missed out on the Pomo boom through the 80'ws and 90's.

Lots around, mostly not with the whimsical historical references. None with big triangular peaks on top like that blue/green one in Montreal. The triangular pediment had to be the most overused motif of the entire PoMo phase; it got glued on roofs, above entrances; pretty much anywhere it could be squeezed in. Look for buildings from the 80's with salmon/peach colour (often polished granite or reflective glass) mixed with dark green/blue glass with the ubiquitous punched windows and chances are it was PoMo inspired. It became very tedious after a number of years and sadly we did not miss out on the movement.
My vote for most inexplicable PoMo reference is Moshe Safdie's Vancouver Library Square (a Roman Colliseum in downtown Vancouver?) and the frothy Byzantine wedding cake old Holiday Inn on King Street here in Toronto, which was simply "wtf"?

Anyone can pull out examples of PoMo in Vancouver (especially in older parts of Yaletown), but to single out the city when it has less of it than most other places in North America (including Toronto) is misleading. Half the examples you posted aren't PoMo but faux historic, which we also have comparatively less of. Off the top of my head, Grace is likely the only actual PoMo building built downtown since the 90's.

I think it's pretty hard to argue that non of those are PoMo. Plus faux-historicism is textbook PoMo. Quite honestly Toronto has very few PoMo edifices. Yes there are many that were built in that era, but most held onto the more modernist style. Of the top of my head the only tower that screams PoMo here in Toronto is either the Rogers headquarters building, the police headquarters and just barely Brookfield.

Most apartments in Yorkville or on Bay st... also a bunch near the south end of Eatons Centre... and another cluster by the CBC building. This is excluding faux-historic...

The Royal Bank at York and Front is pretty PoMo. The Grace wins for ugliest Pomo building in Canada.

pics from today.....

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dleung, I have no idea what on earth you are thinking is, or isn't PoMo. I think you cannot see the forest for the trees. In any case, back to Trump.

That last pic makes Trump look great!

This is going to be one of those buildings that won't look right to people until it's complete. Then most will love it.

I think you cannot see the forest for the trees. In any case, back to Trump.

I think you made the regional jab and would like to move on before its falseness becomes too obvious... as always :|

Anyway

Most buildings look their best before topping off, and then they disappoint. Even more so with Trump; shortly before topping off it'll actually look nice from a distance (where detailing isn't an issue)... and then they'll glue on that quarter onion...

^^ That's the most generalized statement ever made. In what does an incomplete tower look better than the complete version? You're clearly very against onions...

Wow I'd love if the original Bay Adelaide design was used for BAC II! Yum!

^^ That's the most generalized statement ever made. In what does an incomplete tower look better than the complete version? You're clearly very against onions...

His comments are rarely based on actual design flaws but on the buildings city of construction. I knew when I posted my last comment I was leaving a troll fodder to irresistible for him to pass up. His comments are so predictable and tiresome. Usually if I don't like a buildings design I don't spend my time constantly checking the updates people post and leaving my same two cents over and over again.

lol :lol:

^^ That's the most generalized statement ever made. In what does an incomplete tower look better than the complete version? You're clearly very against onions...

I've seen too many towers that looked extremely promising shortly before top off, and then the final result is lacklustre. Flatiron in Vancouver looked extremely futuristic during construction, and then got sterilized, among many others. If Trump topped off with something other than an ornament from the 80's, it could actually pass as an acceptable skyscraper, poor detailing aside.

Don't get me wrong, i love onions, but only in vegetable soup and rice noodle stir fry...

I have to admit, the onion dome is pretty tacky. It was outdated when the tower was being designed, and will be even moreso when it is finished. It has the potential to turn out okay, so I just hope I am wrong.

My favorite part of Trump will be the ART DECO inspired dome over the penthouse.

My favorite part of Trump will be the ART DECO inspired dome over the penthouse.
invoking my favorite era of architecture doesn't exactly justfy the tons of crap that came after claiming to be "inspired" from it.:lol:

Nor does it explain why a pomo tower would have a "deco" roof ornament.

Anyone can pull out examples of PoMo in Vancouver (especially in older parts of Yaletown), but to single out the city when it has less of it than most other places in North America (including Toronto) is misleading. Half the examples you posted aren't PoMo but faux historic, which we also have comparatively less of. Off the top of my head, Grace is likely the only actual PoMo building built downtown since the 90's.

Most apartments in Yorkville or on Bay st... also a bunch near the south end of Eatons Centre... and another cluster by the CBC building. This is excluding faux-historic...


I don't think you even know what post-modernist architecture is...

And Vancouver has quite possibly the largest number of pomo buildings in the country, or at least, certainly the largest proportion of them.

I don't think you even know what post-modernist architecture is...

And Vancouver has quite possibly the largest number of pomo buildings in the country, or at least, certainly the largest proportion of them.

+1 on both counts. Bingo.

I know where we can get expert opinions on it.....http://www.daniels.utoronto.ca/

I agree that I wouldn't have minded seeing other topping off options, but the dome is quite nice, considering the various boxes in the rest of the city.

:2cents:
PoMo architecture can be (justly) applied to sooooo many different types of buildings that don't 'follow' any style -like most of the stuff produced since the 50's! Resolute "Modernism" (inadvertently) led to this terminological cul-de-sac; now we're stuck at "Post Modernism" or "Super/Hyper Modernism", "Contemporary", "Faux" design/architecture... so today, the 'PoMo' tag can be applied to almost any 'common' building with or without any idea or decorum!
D.A. Carson said it best when he quipped; "Post Modern (architecture) is a kind of bastard offshoot of Modernism; It’s an illegitimate child that’s constantly trying to kill its parents."

: "Post Modern (architecture) is a kind of bastard offshoot of Modernism; It’s an illegitimate child that’s constantly trying to kill its parents."

And here's the li'l illegitimate child in all its gory. Behold its Whimsy, and its Hysterical Reference:

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Image:MississaugaCentralLibraryandcivicplaza.jpg

I can just hear the sirens wailing when one of the civic politicos try escaping
over the rolls of barbed wire, fleeing a city hall meeting.

That's PoMo fascist!

invoking my favorite era of architecture doesn't exactly justfy the tons of crap that came after claiming to be "inspired" from it.:lol:

Nor does it explain why a pomo tower would have a "deco" roof ornament.



I only said that to show how predictable you are. That comment was for you and you alone. Are you upset because Vancouver's only building over 200m crossed that threshold using a pointless stick (spire)? Nobody here knows why you have such a hate on for Toronto. If somebody is trolling the Vancouver rooms with with annoying posts you should let a mod know and stop taking it out on the rest of our threads here.

lol :lol:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2577/3682697203_af9bc487ab.jpg
To easy.

A question for the real forumers here. Does anybody remember seeing the suite model of the penthouse? It showed up close details of the spire where you can easily see it's era of influence in the design. It's buried in pages way back but I can't seem to find it.

from today
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That site was busy today when I walked by as well. This building is really growing on me now. I think people who haven't seen it in person need to get down there.

Jasonzed, I love when you do huge updates like these. I'm very grateful, but instead of putting "from today", could you put the exact date, like "from Feb. 25".

It sort of screws me up when I see "from today" and then realize you actually posted the update 2 days ago.

I don't think you even know what post-modernist architecture is...

And Vancouver has quite possibly the largest number of pomo buildings in the country, or at least, certainly the largest proportion of them.

Can't really have a conversation without any support for either statement. "I agree with TB", or vice versa, makes it just a numbers game... though I do like TB's eagerness rehash the subject as soon as the numbers are in his favor, despite previously wanting to "move on".

If Trump topped off with something other than an ornament from the 80's, it could actually pass as an acceptable skyscraper, poor detailing aside.
I have to admit, the onion dome is pretty tacky. It was outdated when the tower was being designed, and will be even moreso when it is finished/
My favorite part of Trump will be the ART DECO inspired dome over the penthouse
invoking my favorite era of architecture doesn't exactly justfy the tons of crap that came after claiming to be "inspired" from it. :lol:

Nor does it explain why a pomo tower would have a "deco" roof ornament
I only said that to show how predictable you are. That comment was for you and you alone. Are you upset because Vancouver's only building over 200m crossed that threshold using a pointless stick (spire)? you're a toronto hater!!! toronto hater!!!

Trying to post-rationalize a statement you now regret is more embarrassing than the statement itself. Love the constant references to Vancouver tho... relevant as always :|

Maybe you slept through the PoMo discussions at school, dleung. I was hoping your week silence on the subject meant you might be doing a bit of boning up on the subject, but I guess your cast iron civic pride prevented that. Maybe we'll chip in and buy you some eyeglasses for your next trip home so you can see the pomo extravaganzas with clearer vision. :sleepy:

Speaking of home, did they charge you for an extra seat on Air Canada for that hulking big chip on your shoulder when you inexplicably moved here? Do you have to feed it to keep it from shrinking?

I was hoping your week silence on the subject meant you might be doing a bit of boning up on the subject...

it may seem like a week to you, but i was only gone since thursday, cuz normal people have a life on weekends...

it may seem like a week to you, but i was only gone since thursday, cuz normal people have a life on weekends...

I'm not complaining. It was a nice little break. hahaha.
Just joking :jk:, etc.. etc..

also I guess we differ on our interpretation of the phrase 'normal people', I suppose.

In any case, Back to Trump!!!! :) :) :)

Speaking of home, did they charge you for an extra seat on Air Canada for that hulking big chip on your shoulder when you inexplicably moved here?

LOL ! :lol:

By Transitdrum118 on March 1, 2011

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March 4th
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From today
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If Trump were to be taller, perhaps 320m; it may actually be visible on the skyline. Now this shot is from behind, so it'd be more visible than waterfront view. But it's still pretty small squashed behind Scotia.

from the Mississauga Clock Tower
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i'm clearing out my harddrive and found this delightful image of the Chrysler Building, thought I should post it before deleting it from my comp:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5937/chryslerv.jpg

Figure it would be relevant to this quote:
My favorite part of Trump will be the ART DECO inspired dome over the penthouse

The key word is inspired. Just as say, Mississauga's city hall is inspired by a farm or whatever its supposed to be, Trump's little dome is perhaps inspired by art deco architecture (though not knowing the intention of the architects, I really can't say). This is quite a different concept from a faithful recreation of an art deco-style spire.

Hey dleung you know you can find lots of great pics of the Chrysler Building on the internet, so I wouldn't be too worried about deleting it ;)

I think u guys forgot to actually look at the Chrysler building in the pic ;) It makes a very different point than what you think I'm trying to make...

Anyway I've over that discussion. Was meaning to say one positive thing that never gets recognized as such... the uneven floors and resulting random bands of horizontal spandrel. That alone is my favorite part of Trump; very rarely do buildings get that kind of pattern going up, and it's great to see irregularities in the cladding to conform to the program inside.

The key word is inspired. Just as say, Mississauga's city hall is inspired by a farm or whatever its supposed to be, Trump's little dome is perhaps inspired by art deco architecture (though not knowing the intention of the architects, I really can't say). This is quite a different concept from a faithful recreation of an art deco-style spire.

You're wasting your time with that hater.

i'm clearing out my harddrive and found this delightful image of the Chrysler Building, thought I should post it before deleting it from my comp:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5937/chryslerv.jpg

Figure it would be relevant to this quote:

lol... I love this picture.

If anything that image just proves what the Trump has been saying about their use of NYC deco influence in Trump Tower. So much time wasted on a city the guy hates but loves to talk about. What a waste of energy. Think of the extra power squats you could be doing at your gym dleung instead of trolling the Toronto forums.


lol :lol:

Oddly doctored photos aside, it still annoys me that they were allowed to jam the ugly bland glass Hyatt so close to the Chrysler Building. Uggh. Makes for a lot
of creative photography not to have it in a photo blocking most of the tower.

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The Tramp is soon going to cover KPMG!!

I'd prefer it if the T was missing, then it would say 'Rump'.

That would be a funky name!


Right now it looks like: "Can I buy a vowel??" :D

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I really like that angle for the core!

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by me

Jeez, it is sneaking up there, isn't it? The dark blue colour actually looks nice against the red backdrop of the Scotia Tower.

i still find the colour painfully blasé. And the cladding doesn't do a good job of obscuring the varied floor heights.

^^IMO, the varied floor heights are the best part; in fact i wish there was more of it. How often do we ever get the DNA pattern on the horizontal elements??

Jeez, it is sneaking up there, isn't it? The dark blue colour actually looks nice against the red backdrop of the Scotia Tower.

I know you're adverse to green glass by association with Vancouver, but Trump isn't blue :|

It's greenish and blueish. A little fact, most males are green-blue colour blind. So us chaps could go on about this one for ages :lol:

^^IMO, the varied floor heights are the best part; in fact i wish there was more of it. How often do we ever get the DNA pattern on the horizontal elements??



I know you're adverse to green glass by association with Vancouver, but Trump isn't blue :|

:lol: says the man who swore up and down that the James Cooper Mansion building was blue! ;)

Trump is a bluish green, but looks more bluish in insertnamehere's first photo. That is what I was referring to.

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I know you have a hissy fit whenever you drag Vancouver into the conversation, and then someone else dares to comment on it, so
I'll let it slide... hehe...

^^IMO, the varied floor heights are the best part; in fact i wish there was more of it. How often do we ever get the DNA pattern on the horizontal elements??

exposing a building's DNA as you put it would seem like an intriguing design idea most days -but with priggish (function follows form) Trump, doesn't quite pass the smell test -for me at least.

btw guys, there may be a more technical term for this gaud awful aqua blue-green-blue hue permeating our cities, attacking innocent buildings (and my old school drafting table!) -they're calling it "teal", "turquoise" or "cyan"!
and i bet it tastes like rotting spinach! :)

There are yellow-greens, and blue-greens.... I think it suffices to say this one happens to be a blue-green. ;)

pretty much every green-glass tower out there is of the green-blue variety, rather than yellow-green :lol:

It's no wonder we're number 2 only to NYC, the pockets of highrises go on and on in every direction in this city. Great shot.

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pretty much every green-glass tower out there is of the green-blue variety, rather than yellow-green :lol:

You don't know the difference between "yellow-green" and "blue-green"? :eek: Are you working, or studying in the industry? They are both greens, but one has more yellow saturation and the other more blue. **ahem**... What is commonly called "turquoise" is a "blue-green". That sort of acid-green coloured glass is more of a "yellow-green". Both are used as glazing. In any case, here are some Trump Tower photos from today:

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You don't know the difference between "yellow-green" and "blue-green"? :eek: Are you working, or studying in the industry? They are both greens, but one has more yellow saturation and the other more blue. **ahem**... What is commonly called "turquoise" is a "blue-green". That sort of acid-green coloured glass is more of a "yellow-green". Both are used as glazing.

a little too worked up? :lol: just saying that the blueness of Trump's green glass is kinda moot when almost every other green glass building tends to lean towards blue rather than yellow...

uh. yeah! ok.... :shifty:
Personally I'd say there are all varieties of green colour used in glazing, but everyone has a different colour perception, I suppose.....

I agree with dleung, its a rather odd colour compared to others of similar "greenish" hues. I thin a lot of it has to do with the light greenish bars that run horizontally each floor. Without those the building would be much more "blue". I think it will look best when complete though.

Love this building. I wouldn't change any thing.

I agree with dleung, its a rather odd colour compared to others of similar "greenish" hues. I thin a lot of it has to do with the light greenish bars that run horizontally each floor. Without those the building would be much more "blue". I think it will look best when complete though.

If that is what dleung is saying, then I agree with him too. I didn't say the colour was nice; just a comment on how the first photo looked blue against the red Scotia tower. For the record I don't like the "sea-foam" or "turquoise" colour of the bars, either. It is just one of those colours that looks a weak for a tall tower's exterior, and is best kept for 1950's bathrooms, 1980's bridesmaid dresses, and clunky jewelry sold to tourists in Mexico. ;)

And Blue Mountain Pottery.

Colours typically just look bad in the light up here. Trump would be rather striking in the southern hemisphere.

Love this building. I wouldn't change any thing.

If you listed 10 buildings and asked me to guess which ones you like, I think I would get all of them wrong (unless some had spires, but I am talking about buildings in Toronto).

This is one where I need to see it finished before I can decide.

If you listed 10 buildings and asked me to guess which ones you like, I think I would get all of them wrong (unless some had spires, but I am talking about buildings in Toronto).

This is one where I need to see it finished before I can decide.

Hhmmm, I suppose the best way to categorize my fondness for a building is to know that I prize variety, context, and detail. At first glance, my architectural tastes may seem to be all over the map, but my conclusions all pass through the same processes.

Is the scale right?
Is the proportion right?
Does it work with its surroundings?
Quality of construction?
Material choices?
Texture?
And probably 100 other considerations.

In the end, it boils down to whether a building engages me or leaves me empty inside. Trump does many positive things in spades.

(Just curious, do you think I like or dislike spires?)

This is one where I need to see it finished before I can decide.

^^ +1

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Nice shot! 200 ft to go.

Hey guys, what's up with the decrease in height??? Wasn't the tower supposed to be: 1,064 ft. spire (324.3m) 988 ft. roof (301.1m)????????????? What's going on?

^^ Recession killed that dream.

^^ Recession killed that dream.

but not the building! ;)
It lost a battle, but not the War.

And I'm very happy with that. Just glad we're not Dubai with ambitious (thought foolish) half finished products sitting deserted.

Trump had trouble selling units.

Trump Tower is not alone in that respect; it happens sometimes despite the glowing press releases.. The tower raised the ante of condo prices in this town. I can't help but think that his name/persona is not as big a draw here as it is in the States. I think the project could have gone along without that association, as least as well if not better. But, it could have been worse.
Could have been the Ben Mulroney Tower.

Could have been the Ben Mulroney Tower.

Calamity and Corruption Tower!

As much as I was enjoying my wings at a pub last week, it ruined my appetite to look up and see an autographed photo of Ben Muldoon leering down at me. Eeewww... put me right off my lunch.

from eastern ave today. Almost as tall as BA.
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Keep in mind that I have not read through the whole tread, but are there any reason for the sudden change in materials as seen halfway up in this picture?

(Just curious, do you think I like or dislike spires?)

Like. Many moons ago you posted a response to some box render (not worth trying to find it, since all the renders are box renders) saying that we need to be more daring and then posted a bunch of daring projects (elsewhere).

Most had spires, so that is how I walked away with that perception (or at least is why I added the comment).

Thanks for explaining your logic.

Keep in mind that I have not read through the whole tread, but are there any reason for the sudden change in materials as seen halfway up in this picture?

Just a design feature to have the street-level with stone facing, and glass for the higher levels. Too bad they chose turquoise glass, though.

Just a design feature to have the street-level with stone facing, and glass for the higher levels. Too bad they chose turquoise glass, though.





Nothing that can't be changed in a few decades. Remember the Sun Life Centre? It was only built in 84 and 85 and they re-clad both towers all 51 storeys of brown glass to blue a little over ten years after initial construction. Hopefully it won't take as long as FCP.

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I'll get better with my new toy.

:applause:

Loving the clarity of your new camera!! Look forward to many more local pics..

Great shots Andrew! I think if they had used a darker blue than the Bay/Adelaide as cladding (with the lighter bits the same as B/A) it would have looked mint.

^^ I agree on the dark blue cladding. Either that or an off white would have looked better as well as a stone pattern that matched the surrounding pre war streetwall.
However despite all of its shortcomings I'm so grateful the developer actually appreciates design(not just budget) and has spared us from another bland box!

^^ Well put. I'm not too opposed to the pre-fab stone however. From a distance and up close it serves it's purpose quite well. Considering most pre-war stone (limestone usually) is quite yellow, the combination with the green or blue cladding if they'd chosen it would have looked awful. Perhaps the pre-war stone and a black or gray cladding. But we can't digress on something that clearly isn'y happening!

I think black and silver would have looked great on this building.

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As long as you don't get too close up, the tower looks pretty sleek.

I think it is going to look quite beautiful from that one vantage point. Love the contrast up against Scotiabank.

Only about 5 floors to go. This is from ut.

http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/images/Trump-Apr25,11(11).jpg
http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/images/TrumpGraph042611-Kamuix.jpg

^^almost there...

Looks fat and squat in that illustration. Came out much more slender, making it look taller.

It's not really Toronto's 2nd tallest. I'd be hard pressed to give it 3rd as the roof of Commerce Court is higher than Trump's. That 'onion' and 'mast' shouldn't count.

Half the buildings in the Supertalls section wouldn't be there if they disallowed all the cheats like "antennas" or "spires". Most of the "tallest residential towers" have a mega cheat on top.

It's not really Toronto's 2nd tallest. I'd be hard pressed to give it 3rd as the roof of Commerce Court is higher than Trump's. That 'onion' and 'mast' shouldn't count.

I see no reason why the quarter onion dome shouldn't count. It's an enclosed space that has a roof.

^^ Part of the penthouse, so habitable floor too.

i agree that the onion dome should be counted, but not the spire.

I see no reason why the quarter onion dome shouldn't count. It's an enclosed space that has a roof.

Alright, but the spires out.

I love how the plucky old National Club more than holds its own standing stoutly shoulder to shoulder with its new and rather brassy neighbour and not giving an
inch. I like when something doesn't give a toss or back down to that loud man with the bad combover! ;) :

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I'll get better with my new toy.

Buildings of that era certainly have a solidity to them. They're heavy and give a feeling of permanence to an area. I find it very comforting in the sense that it makes me feel immersed in civilization rather than the opposite, wilderness.

It's also why I feel more comfortable at Yonge and King than Yonge and Wellesley even though the latter is arguably more interesting.

From this angle it looks like the architects of the Trump Tower at least made an effort to repeat the basic rhythm of the facade of the National Club. That hadn't occurred to me before seeing it like this.

I hadn't noticed that either. Makes a nice streetwall.

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As much as I love this tower, I can't stop thinking how much more of an impact it would have made on the skyline if it weren't between FCP and Scotia. Somewhere at like King and Simcoe, or on Victoria street.

Hopefully we get new proposals this size further from the core.

When is this suppose to be completed?

^^ This year.

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May 10, 2011.

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I'm starting to feel this 900+ footer will have little effect on our skyline.

The view from the west is good, but eventually it will largely get blocked out as other buildings are built. I love what it's done for the feel of the street at Bay and Adelaide. It's added to what was already exhilarating. The immediate area is a monument to Canadian corporate wealth. You even get Torontonians stopping, and straining their necks skyward.

Toronto's reached that size and density where we can't expect every big tower to have a huge impact on our skyline unless it's outside the traditional CBD. There are hundreds of buildings that get lost in the vastness of Manhattan, but that's one of the amazing characteristics of New York. Toronto's moving in that direction, and it's not a bad thing.

Well put isaidso. And hopefully there's more on the way in terms of 900+ footers.

Creates a lovely cluster from street level at Bay/Adelaide.

I agree...with the Four Seasons and (maybe one day) One Bloor, we might get something approaching the nice double-cluster that NY has with Midtown/Battery, with a sea of shorter buildings in between.

Christopher Hume has just voted this building as the ugliest new building in TO. I don't think it is the ugliest as any of the other 4 could be the ugliest.

That's a bit premature. It's not even finished yet. I would put the Pinnacle development as number one, it's ugly and does nothing for street interaction.

I agree...with the Four Seasons and (maybe one day) One Bloor, we might get something approaching the nice double-cluster that NY has with Midtown/Battery, with a sea of shorter buildings in between.

With Aura and 501 Yonge Street going up, it'll be more like a continuous skyline with with Eglinton being our other cluster. Not a bad scenario.

With Aura and 501 Yonge Street going up, it'll be more like a continuous skyline with with Eglinton being our other cluster. Not a bad scenario.

We have a long way to go before we could consider it a continuous skyline from the CBD up to Bloor, even with Aura and 501 Yonge St. Still two very distinct clusters which is quite evident when viewed from the side, such as from Broadview south of Danforth. However, at least the Yonge & Bloor cluster is growing and becoming more significant.

Actually, the gap between the CBD and Bloor is filling up quite rapidly. Considering this a continuous skyline won't be so far-fetched in a few years. The Yonge/College skyline is growing too and will rival Yonge/Bloor in the near future. Here's a quick mock-up interpretation of the buildings (U/C or proposed) that will contribute to that section of the skyline. The Wellesley Street gap should get filled soon with the large parking lot available (west of Yonge) and the properties to the east of the subway station. This photo doesn't show "U Condos" or condos on Charles Street (42 Charles & Chaz), which will fill up the skyline, just south of Bloor.

And also, remember that NYC's skyline also has a dip between the Financial District and Midtown. Toronto's skyline is very similar (in shape) when viewed from East or West. The density will continue to build up quite nicely with each new development. Toronto's height standards are gradually increasing too, as seen with this newest wave of development. With 600 feet looking like the new 400 feet.

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^^ Considering that is in the next 5-7 years, it really emphasizes my point that it will almost appear continuous. Much more than Manhattan at least. Albeit a fraction the scale.

May 17
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from today
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I've walked be a couple times this weekend, and where this tower shines is at street level. Envisioning it with the dome from Bay/Adelaide is amazing. It's nothing special from far away, but it's different and it's density, so we should be happy about that.

from today
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The traffic looks great in Toronto, can't wait to start working there in a couple of months ;)

:lol: Don't count on it being like that every day! hehe....

It's because the Gardiner was closed. If only it was ever that empty. Then I could park and take some great photos of the skyline!

We have a long way to go before we could consider it a continuous skyline from the CBD up to Bloor, even with Aura and 501 Yonge St. Still two very distinct clusters which is quite evident when viewed from the side, such as from Broadview south of Danforth.

Maybe if Bay and Yonge continue to fill up between Queen and Bloor, the better comparison would be the sprawling Chicago skyline, with various "peaks" between more distinct clusters.

Or maybe I should stop being so Torontonian and quit comparing it to other places.:)

Pssst... This is gonna come as a shock.. but people in other cities do exactly the same thing! ;)

Pssst... This is gonna come as a shock.. but people in other cities do exactly the same thing! ;)

haha, yep. it's just that when toronto SSCers do it, they tend to get penis size/quality envy.

We have a long way to go before we could consider it a continuous skyline from the CBD up to Bloor, even with Aura and 501 Yonge St. Still two very distinct clusters which is quite evident when viewed from the side, such as from Broadview south of Danforth. However, at least the Yonge & Bloor cluster is growing and becoming more significant.


Already looks like a pretty continuous skyline to me...

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8924/40976052.jpg

^^ Already quite a few additions to the skyline since that shot was taken (in 2008?).

The new additions to midtown (not seen in the picture above) have started to create a bit of a two headed monster feel to the downtown region.

Whenever I see that photo it makes me feel almost superhuman for walking to Bloor from Wellington. That being said though, it's just the angle of the photo. I am le lazy.

Wellington to Bloor makes you feel super human? I walk from Parkdale to Cabbagetown.

^^ You just made me feel subhuman!! :lol:
I used to walk like that, until I finally got Plantar fasciitis... which happens when you don't have proper shoe support for the arch, and your foot flattens out, thus pulling the tendon away from the back of the foot. It is excruciatingly painful, takes ages to heal and you are never capable of the same amount of walking after. That is when I took up cycling, instead....

Wellington to Bloor makes you feel super human? I walk from Parkdale to Cabbagetown.

It doesn't when I walk it, just in that photo it looks much further. Btw, good on you. Out walk me any day.

I think Trump looks better from above rather than below.

Here's a few photos showing the progress - taken from the TD tower.

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Doors Open 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/skylinemarc/5769848748/) by Marcanadian (http://www.flickr.com/people/skylinemarc/), on Flickr

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Doors Open 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/skylinemarc/5769819098/) by Marcanadian (http://www.flickr.com/people/skylinemarc/), on Flickr

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Doors Open 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/skylinemarc/5769816178/) by Marcanadian (http://www.flickr.com/people/skylinemarc/), on Flickr

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Doors Open 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/skylinemarc/5769813434/) by Marcanadian (http://www.flickr.com/people/skylinemarc/), on Flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3568/5769757622_34e67f2492_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/skylinemarc/5769757622/)
Doors Open 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/skylinemarc/5769757622/) by Marcanadian (http://www.flickr.com/people/skylinemarc/), on Flickr

I think I prefer the exposed concrete to the green cladding IMO.

Cladding looks a lot better in your pics though.

How this piece fits into the rest of the puzzle:

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^from this angle, it almost looks like you could jump from one to the other.

I don't mind it so much. I certainly don't have the hate on for it that Hume does, but those few floors with the different heights and the two balconies really bother me for some reason. If the entire building was more eclectic, it might be okay, but it just looks like the designers were being lazy.

Vertically aligned windows would have definitely helped. That's how they did it back in the art deco era!

I don't mind it so much. I certainly don't have the hate on for it that Hume does, but those few floors with the different heights and the two balconies really bother me for some reason. If the entire building was more eclectic, it might be okay, but it just looks like the designers were being lazy.

fingers crossed that the building will look more unified once we see the entire structure clad with onion dome + company. with more added details, these smaller imperfections should be less noticeable. :)

By me on Doors Open Weekend,

A couple dozen more can be found here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=179351&page=207

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Welcome, steveve!

nice shot man, looking good, not too far now.

How many more months will it take until the exterior gets finished ?
I'm planning to go out and take a grand panorama picture of downtown this September.

You can't see it in those pictures but the final few setback are not being tackled, so I guess second to last before the onion dome. They've been going pretty quick lately, but I have a feeling by September we may just be seeing an antenna. Can't say much about the cladding though.

There are actually setbacks (for terraces) on the 54th floor, which have already been tackled. These are on the west and north faces, extending to the south and east corners respectively.

There is absolutely no way you will be seeing an antennae by late September. The tower crane is scheduled for removal in mid-october, and this is a requirement for erection of the onion dome and spire (which will be constructed using a jacking system & derricks). As of right now, top off (damper tank roofs) is expected in mid August.

We can wrap a floor in about five days. Assuming everything goes well this week, you will start to see curtainwall progress again between L40 and L49.

Amazing info! Thanks so much for joining the group and hope we see more of you! :cheers:

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Pretty bad quality snap on my phone. It's nice to see the structure rise free from the scaffolding.

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It is starting to look like that future rendering from elliot a few years back!!!


elliot, we miss you! Post more often!

Trying out the "retro" look. Different angle, but I think Trump will shine from here.

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Dumb question but what used to be there before this tower was build

Was it a parking lot

Wasn't it an abandoned Woolco, and then they knocked it down for parking?

I took a quick look and couldn't find anything. It was a sales centre for quite some time. I think it was a parking lot before that.

The northern part of the lot was a parking lot, and the southern third was an old 3/4 story brick building. I remember it was almost black, and the side was literally falling apart.

I think isaidso is correct; it used to be a brick Woolies in the old days. One of those utilitarian old brick fortresses if I remember correctly.

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6/19/2011

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From Saturday, June 18th.

From Adelaide and University.
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And cropping to the top.
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I think the taller it gets, the less glaring the height variation in floors become. The east face is decent.

Ugh, the west face is dreadful. All glass.

^^ Just from that view. It's actually all pre-cast behind the mid-rises there. Also the top of the tower is pre-cast.

I know, but it's still fairly expansive glass. It's granite by the way, not precast. Trump wouldn't settle for precast. :P

The east face is much worse than the west. The bottom makes me cringe. The covered windows on the left side is disgusting.