I know, but it's still fairly expansive glass. It's granite by the way, not precast. Trump wouldn't settle for precast. :P

Didn't realize that. Good to know.

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taken by me

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Just like Four Seasons, the Trump Advertising Formwork is on its way down. Which of the two do you think will be complete first?

Just love the wave of condo's going up all around downtown complementing the large commercial offices. I understand alot of people have been critical of the trump tower but i for one dont find it terrible. At that height however, it's gotta be something spectacular...

For the most part this tower is exactly what I assumed it would be, it looks pretty much how I thought it would look, however I do have a few concerns.
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Those are temporary windows, I've read, that will get replaced once the building is finished.

A lot of those WTF's are windows that are either temporary or have a protective coating on the back.

Those are temporary windows, I've read, that will get replaced once the building is finished.

That's a relief lol

A lot of those WTF's are windows that are either temporary or have a protective coating on the back.

No, not true at all.

The four light coloured windows on the left (north) are the wrong glass. It was a manufacturing error. They will be swapped out for the proper glass. The three dark coloured windows were broken, and are currently wide open with nothing covering the openings.

Basically, if you look at Trump and see any mismatched glass or dark spots, it is either because the panel was manufactured with the incorrect glass, or the glass was broken during shipping, installation, or afterwards, in which case, it would be either wide open or covered with blueskin (which would not look black). Generally if it is broken after installation, we simply blueskin over it. If it is broken before installation, we cut out the pane and leave it open.

There are a few temporary window panes (primarily on the south), but we've found that they don't handle the high-winds very well, and we stopped using them.

Replacement glass is not a priority, so these will be handled later.

Sounds good!

Question on progress, you mentioned crane will come down come October if I recall correctly. Will we see cladding and granite to the very top by that point?

Sounds good!

Question on progress, you mentioned crane will come down come October if I recall correctly. Will we see cladding and granite to the very top by that point?

There is no granite at the top. There will be work concurrently, but curtainwall activities will still be ongoing after the removal of the crane. Final placement of the dome / spire cannot even occur until crane removal.

What is the material then for the final setback sort of behind the dome (its hard to explain the placement I'm speaking of). Where the Trump "T" will be placed. There's been lots of redesigns since the original proposal so just looking for some guidance.

Ah, here's a pic. So that none glass at the top is...gone?

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=6167

What is the material then for the final setback sort of behind the dome (its hard to explain the placement I'm speaking of). Where the Trump "T" will be placed. There's been lots of redesigns since the original proposal so just looking for some guidance.

Ah, here's a pic. So that none glass at the top is...gone?

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=6167
The final setback is covered in aluminium cladding. The "roof" of the dome is covered in titanium-zinc cladding. The front of the dome/spire is clad in glass to match the rest of the building.

The render on that page is very out of date.

Thank you very much for your input!

For the most part this tower is exactly what I assumed it would be, it looks pretty much how I thought it would look, however I do have a few concerns.
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HAHAHA!!!!! one of the funniest things i've seen :lol::lol::lol:


Anyway...
A few pics from this afternoon.
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And in this pic below, did anyone notice they installed a spire at Trump?... with a Canadian flag atop?... Trump's contribution to Canada:

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All photos by me: steveve

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^^too bad this face of the Scotia Bank tower couldn't be viewed like this from the lake...

After Steveve's brilliant pictures this feels redundant posting now, however this is going to be my favourite angle for Trump.

I'm also really starting to wish they'd included one more set back about 10 stories above the balconies on the south facade. The straight box up to the spire seems awkward from street level looking up the west facade.

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Great pics^^

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Why did Elk edit out Steveve's pics?

^^ steveve accidentally made a double post.

But where did all of his photos go? Both posts are gone.

a pic from yesterday, taken with three visiting out of town forummers!! :D

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But where did all of his photos go? Both posts are gone.

Okay. I fiddled with things a little. Pics should be back.

^^ You're the best!

^^ :)

What a monument to the 80's ... the only way Trump could have made a tackier building is to use gold coloured windows.

What a monument to the 80's ... the only way Trump could have made a tackier building is to use gold coloured windows.

The tower looks nothing like anything I've seen built in the 80's....
Condo/hotel towers of that size were nearly non existent, they never used that Green coloured glass then, I can't think of a single 80's tower of any notoriety that has a big onion dome thing on the top with a spire. Constructing the building with a different colour every 10 stories and calling it the gay pride tower would be tacky, pretty much everything in Las Vegas is tacky, this thing is pretty bland... really not sure where you're coming from on this :S

^^ x2

Trump Tower is starting to grow on me now.

I think, as usual, in all fairness a person should wait till a project is completed to fairly evaluate it. Sometimes it looks worse when finished, and sometimes better. I agree though; I've never seen a hotel/condo from the 80's that looks like this one.

I think, as usual, in all fairness a person should wait till a project is completed to fairly evaluate it. Sometimes it looks worse when finished, and sometimes better. I agree though; I've never seen a hotel/condo from the 80's that looks like this one.

This is how I see it, I figure once the imperfections that annoy me now when I see the tower are fixed up (and im certain they will be), it will be a nice looking tower over all, and we will know for sure when its complete. Some people however can't wait to look at a tower that they were critical of from the start and bash it before cladding has even been put up lol

Agreed, this one depends on the dome and spire to make the design work. Until this is near completion it's hard to give it a fair assessment. Also it's lighting features will set it apart from most other towers in the core.

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00317/trump06re03_317581artw.jpg

^^ I think that rendering is outdated, though..

A little greener than that one haha :lol:

But that's the correct massing and height.

^^ I think that rendering is outdated, though..

They never made a new one after that TB. .....I don't think.

I know... they should have, but didn't. The Trump member here explained that they didn't feel it necessary, but I don't think the final design will look like that.

I know... they should have, but didn't. The Trump member here explained that they didn't feel it necessary, but I don't think the final design will look like that.

Its hard to tell whether there is any difference between what has been built so far and this render. Everything matches thus far and if there is any changes they have yet to come. Personally I hope everything stays like in the render.

Checks out with the Trump member's description of the onion-domed parapet too.

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^^Ughh...those balconies are so distracting...

You really have to wonder wtf was going through the architect's head when he glued those little afterthoughts on? :dunno:

They probably decided they needed to make an outdoor area for cigar smokers.

Or the fact that that is where the lobby is and thusly balconies seemed like a logical solution? Let's think outside the box here folks...

Well, it is a hideous solution, aesthetically, from the exterior. Most hotels I've seen do not need balconies. Maybe it is made for having fired employees of Mr Trump walk the plank.

^^ It looks bad now without any glass on it or the fact that it's not connected. You yourself said wait until it's all finished! Definitely not an afterthought. And balconies are a luxury, something this building takes into consideration.

TB, it's time to listen to your rule of "Lets wait until we see it completed".

;)

Seems Matt and I are on the same wave length.

^^ Not an uncommon occurrence!

:D

I want it FINISHED!! NOW!!!! DAMMIT!!!


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I love that video of our mayor on Christmas morning when he was 6.

6? He was 19 and it was the opening day of the first Krispee Kreme in North America! :yes:

Honestly, considering the time within which this project was designed (late 90's) it's not surprising people are calling it out dated. By the time it went through the approvals process and then the market issues and whatever .... I for one am really excited to see it done :D

Well another 20 years and it will be retro, so back in style again.

Honestly, considering the time within which this project was designed (late 90's) it's not surprising people are calling it out dated. By the time it went through the approvals process and then the market issues and whatever .... I for one am really excited to see it done :D

This project was not designed in the late 90's; people sometimes confuse this project with an earlier partnership proposal between the Ritz and Trump. That fell through aeons ago, and this one is a completely different concept.

We can disagree on the style and aesthetics of the design, but you gotta admit it's bold, and Toronto needs bold architecture to help it become internationally recognizable (Ritz, L tower, Four Seaons are helping), Poor Old CN has done it's job for many decades, let's give the core the responsibility for making Toronto instantly recognizable now.

We can disagree on the style and aesthetics of the design, but you gotta admit it's bold, and Toronto needs bold architecture to help it become internationally recognizable (Ritz, L tower, Four Seaons are helping), Poor Old CN has done it's job for many decades, let's give the core the responsibility for making Toronto instantly recognizable now.

Starting with a gorgeous 1300footer ;)

We can disagree on the style and aesthetics of the design, but you gotta admit it's bold, and Toronto needs bold architecture to help it become internationally recognizable (Ritz, L tower, Four Seaons are helping), Poor Old CN has done it's job for many decades, let's give the core the responsibility for making Toronto instantly recognizable now.

They really should cover the outside concrete of the CN Tower with a thin layer of durable concrete with some sort of pollution/stain resistant sealer additive in it (not sure if that exists). It's getting pretty messy looking lol

Therein lies the big problem of exposed concrete as a finished surface. If you go into St Clair subway station, or pretty much any of the stations in Montreal's Metro, you will notice the concrete has turned yellowy brown over the years. kaka.

They really should cover the outside concrete of the CN Tower with a thin layer of durable concrete with some sort of pollution/stain resistant sealer additive in it (not sure if that exists). It's getting pretty messy looking lol

^^Or paint it white? :D

^^Or paint it white? :D


Hey that might actually look kind of cool, they would have to use that heavy duty industrial paint though that goes on like an 8th of an inch thick lol, the same stuff they paint large bridges with like the golden gate bridge. You can throw a rock at that stuff and it wont chip. However we all know that over time it would go all yellow to, wouldn't be white forever.

What I really think they should do is cover all the exposed concrete areas in a layer of bright white fritted glass like they are doing on the First Canadian Place, its the best solution IMO

Hey that might actually look kind of cool, they would have to use that heavy duty industrial paint though that goes on like an 8th of an inch thick lol, the same stuff they paint large bridges with like the golden gate bridge. You can throw a rock at that stuff and it wont chip. However we all know that over time it would go all yellow to, wouldn't be white forever.

What I really think they should do is cover all the exposed concrete areas in a layer of bright white fritted glass like they are doing on the First Canadian Place, its the best solution IMO

Patch it up to look all pretty then fritted glass on top cold be a fantastic solution. I don't think it could be reflective though for numerous aesthetic and safety reasons.

Patch it up to look all pretty then fritted glass on top cold be a fantastic solution. I don't think it could be reflective though for numerous aesthetic and safety reasons.

Well that's the beauty of fritted glass it can be very flat looking, however I do not believe a reflective shiny CN Tower would be unatractive :)

No, don't mess with the classic. She looks great for 35.

No, don't mess with the classic. She looks great for 35.

Oh common its not like the CN Tower is one of the great pyramids, we aren't proposing to cover them in a layer of shiny fritted glass so that they look more modern and attract more tourists lmao. It's the CN tower, and a nice modernization to simply make it look NICE would be perfectly acceptable as long as we keep the enthusiasm down a bit and don't go overboard, after all im not proposing that we paint a giant Canadian flag up the side, and put a roller coaster on the top.

They already screwed the top with the new EdgeWalk.. :ohno:

^^Or paint it white? :D

Along with the Skydome. Both could use some white paint.

They already screwed the top with the new EdgeWalk.. :ohno:

I agree, it looks like a real thrill don't get me wrong lol, but it looks very unattractive :(

Can they not acid wash concrete to bring it back to a fresh new colour? Painting would lead to a host of future horrors when it peels, I suspect.

Just leave it be. The concrete looks pretty good, it's only the patch work that comes across as a bit messy. I think if they started trying to clean the concrete it might actually make things worse. It would be really difficult to maintain an even finish on such a massive amount of concrete.

They could always let Ivy grow up it, lol.

Along with the Skydome. Both could use some white paint.

^^I thought I was the only one that still calls it Skydome.. :haha:

It will ALWAYS be the Skydome! "Rogers Centre" simply has no charisma. :tongue4:

^^I thought I was the only one that still calls it Skydome.. :haha:

Yes well that's because that is what it's called. I'm not sure what this "rogers center" is everyone keeps talking about ;)

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Great pics Jasonzed^^

July 11
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They should clad the CN tower in limestone, that would look epic.

^^A couple years worth of rain would see to it that limestone cladding wouldn't last very long. :D

Not with a sealant :)

I've tryed to stay positive about this tower since the start. To me, it's just turned out to be a massive disappointment though. I think it looks ridiculous and appeqars as if it will make hardly any impact on the skyline. I appoligize for the negativity but does anyone else feel this way?

I do, the glass is pretty revolting. It needs to be broken up with something, precast, anything!

I've tryed to stay positive about this tower since the start. To me, it's just turned out to be a massive disappointment though. I think it looks ridiculous and appeqars as if it will make hardly any impact on the skyline. I appoligize for the negativity but does anyone else feel this way?

i do agree the impact it's made is nothing to what it could've been but i'm only judging from pics. face to face maybe a different story?

I personally don't mind the lack of impact on the skyline. If you are the architect given that plot of land to develop on with a certain height restriction, there is nothing you can do to make it have an impact on the skyline. The true disappointment is indeed some of the design elements and choices in material. A massive let down for me personally.

Yeah, it is kind of a Chorus Tower. Fills in the CBD and gives it great density, but its definitely not on the front of the stage belting its little heart out..(making you laugh, and making you cry, etc....).

Why are so many people writing off the skyline impact of a tower that isn't done yet? At least wait for T/O.

It pretty much is topped out. Only the onion dome and spire left.

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cant wait to see the completed exterior all lit up.

I think the real impact with Trump will come with the lighting. It should go right up to the top of the spire, so that will make it stand out at night.

How long you guys think the "OnionDome" will be finished?

I believe we were told sometime this late fall/early winter.

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In all those pictures I didn't even look or notice Trump, I'm loving FCP. They must be way ahead of schedual.

Still at least two dozen more floors to go, and it looks like it's taking about a week a floor. So that would leave us with 6 more months? They said 10th floor by years end or mid December in the last report.

Trump's been added onto Google Maps.

Still at least two dozen more floors to go, and it looks like it's taking about a week a floor. So that would leave us with 6 more months? They said 10th floor by years end or mid December in the last report.

huh?

the building is topped out. no more floors, just the spire is too be added

I think he was referring to the previous question about FCP's recladding schedule.

lol ohhh my bad^^ well in that case hes right a couple dozen

Can't wait until they add the spire.:) Isn't it almost the first skyscraper of that kind in Toronto?

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All that's left is, I believe, one more floor in the spire section and then we're ready for the onion dome. Which as we've learned won't come for a while.

Today while walking to work I've noticed they'd started putting up the lighting effect on the corner. Doesn't have that one awkward test piece anymore!

View from Queen West taken 13th August

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wish they woulda added another 5-10 stories it kinda gets blocked out alot by the kpmg tower but when the spire is done its gonna stand out more especially in the night when lite

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Monday evening

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Innsertnamehere you really got around yesterday huh? Photo updates on pretty much every major Toronto project, wish we had someone like you in the UK forums :D

It's actually starting to come together now. I think more and more people will like it as it tops out.

Innsertnamehere you really got around yesterday huh? Photo updates on pretty much very major Toronto project, wish we had someone like you in the UK forums :D

Haha i live outside the suburbs of Toronto and only get downtown a couple times a year, so I make sure I get lots of pictures when I'm there! And I didn't take all that complicated of a route either, just out of union station across the bridge by the cn tower, up to university and Adelaide, across to younge, and up till bloor! (plus some time on the GO train)

I think the illuminated setbacks and onion dome will look nice at night despite the shortcomings on the cladding.

thanks for the updates, looking good.

Trump, Shangri-la, Aura, ICE, and a million other projects will certainly make their mark on the skyline from here :D
Photo by my uncle, August 21, 2011. (yes... i didn't bring my camera lol!)

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If you don't mind I may take this picture for a bit and try to edit in some of the towers?

If you don't mind I may take this picture for a bit and try to edit in some of the towers?

no prob. :)

The beginnings of the spire appear to have been constructed. Pics tomorrow.

I'm starting to get a bit thrilled about the spire. Will REALLY have an impact on our traditional CBD shot.

I'm starting to get a bit thrilled about the spire. Will REALLY have an impact on our traditional CBD shot.

:eek2:

Taller excited about a spire? Me too!

i still wish the tower was taller by like 10 floors, but with the spire and when lite up i think its gonna be nice

The beginnings of the spire appear to have been constructed. Pics tomorrow.

I noticed that as well. I think it may just be the scaffolding to build the spire. It went up in only a few days.

I noticed that as well. I think it may just be the scaffolding to build the spire. It went up in only a few days.

Didn't have a chance to a get a good pic today, but it's definitely the base of the spire which will run behind the onion dome. Lot's of welding going on.

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:shocked: you've caught the hood of my car as it was driving by!!!!

By nicetommy on UT.

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Sunday afternoon from the north. Click on the pic to open and click again to enlarge.

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The tower shaft was lackluster but this may be the most interesting rooftop element of all the CBD skyscrapers.

Still dwarfed by Scotia Plaza...

By nicetommy on UT.

August 28:

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Now this is getting interesting. Finally we get a crown in the core. (well, besides the BCE one)

Does that crown also act as a giant skylight for the Penthouse? It looks like it will. How cool will that pad be?

If that onion dome is an over the top atrium for a penthouse it would make a great spot to film a movie like The Devil's Advocate.

Onion dome is looking amazing!

If that onion dome is an over the top atrium for a penthouse it would make a great spot to film a movie like The Devil's Advocate.

WORD!... or the penthouse could have been an awesome spot for that final scene in fight club where they;re looking at (LA's?) CBD exploding... think looking south from Trump at Bay/King... and no, i'm not a terrorist!

Taken a few min. ago:

the OnionDope!

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Taken a few min ago:

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And From One Bloor:

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its nice to see the dome being put together its almost done now.

I smiled when i saw this view... the future skyline of Toronto had always looked like this in my mind, with Trump Tower in it, for some reason i always associate future toronto with Trump tower.... for years i dreamed of one day seeing Trump on the skyline, and the future is now!... EPIC!

Trump really just takes the skyline/cbd up a notch.... it looks really really good from afar.

taken today:

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That crown is looking much better than I thought it would and the spire looks to be much bigger. It is going to look amazing when it is all lit up at night. I think this might actually look better than the rendering. (for a change)

Anyone interested in a great deal on a residence at Trump Tower, send me a message.

Taken yesterday...the first day that Toronto was colder than the UK since I arrived here nearly 6 weeks ago...I suspect it won't be the last!

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Brace yourself, large! You'll need to buy a good down filled winter coat. Check out Mountain Equipment at 400 King Street West. You want to look for lots of down fill for warmth, but also how light the coat is.
It did feel bizarrely chilly yesterday!

Does that crown also act as a giant skylight for the Penthouse? It looks like it will. How cool will that pad be?

i think it will be covered up later. they're leaving it open to aid construction of the dome and to jack up the spire (as it's being installed within a few floors).

excellent shot btw large! Trump looks stunning!

^^ It will actually be accessible to the penthouse owner (which I believe is the building's architect).

the first day that Toronto was colder than the UK since I arrived here nearly 6 weeks ago...I suspect it won't be the last!

Canada Goose. $500 for the best winter jacket ever made!
http://www.canada-goose.com/

^^ It will actually be accessible to the penthouse owner (which I believe is the building's architect).

It looks to me like it will be an atrium in the penthouse now, hell if I was the architect and penthouse owner I would do it to.

^^ It will actually be accessible to the penthouse owner (which I believe is the building's architect).

really? the buildings penthouse is owned by the architect!?!?!... WOW!... i wonder if he'll actually live in it, or just keep it as investment/second home. (wait... why would anyone keep it as a SECOND home??! :lol:)... anyway, LUCKY bastard. I'd KILL to have an opportunity to own AND design the penthouse.

Thanks for the tips guys...I've heard Canada Goose is the best from elsewhere...I'll be getting the wife one for her birthday. I'll have to settle for some long Johns. Unfortunately I'll be going to Winterpeg on business occassionally...not looking forward to that in January!

Canada Goose. $500 for the best winter jacket ever made!
http://www.canada-goose.com/

Don't waste your money! North Face makes an equal quality jacket for nearly half!

^^ I've had both. Canada Goose is way better. I've been cold in North Face; never in Canada Goose. Back to Trump.

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^^OnionDome is looking good... :cheers:

Great pics, Jason. Thanks.:)

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the dome absolutely makes this baby.

And one more from my side :)
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Nice pics! But I wish this building would have made a bigger impact on the skyline.

Question about the dome. Will they be jacking it up or will it remain at it's current elevation? I only ask because the rendering leads us to think otherwise.

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Never mind, it's in the final location.

I'm on the fence to whether I would have liked to see it higher or not. It's well welded in there though so no point thinking about it I suppose.

Never mind, it's in the final location.

Nope. The spire is NOT in its final location. It's going to be jacked up and moved out to the corner of the tower. It will surpass the height of Scotia Plaza next door. The present square scaffold and platform at the corner of the tower are temporary and support the installation of the spire. Once the spire's in place, they'll be removed.


Close-up courtesy of Jasonzed. You can see the spire peeking up within the bottom half of the temporary installation scaffold.

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I hope you are right.

^^ +1. I've seen some pretty solid welding at the base of that dome going on. SSP diagram would suggest it's in final resting place.

check out this post from ut a bit back theres a pic showing it http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2011/08/spire-comes-trump-international-hotel-tower-toronto

they show the spire is was based at level 50(7 floors from roof) they said its being assembled within the tower.

i doubt they would leave it there that deep i think they will raise it more

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this is such a beautiful pic!... i think people overlook angles like this... this tower DOES have elegance.

im digging the spire, adds variation to CBD

It's all about the crown.
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with the addition of the spire i really do like this building, but its ashame they didnt add 10 more floors. its still big but seems boxed in and a bit hidden with 10 more floors i think it would make a difference in its presence

The more I see it the more I think the dome's in it's final position. I know they said they would raise it from the penthouse, but technically building something is raising it. I'm looking forward to seeing the light bar glowing over 900ft up the side of this building.

^^ I agree. Every time I'd walked by it they were welding it in ways that looked like it was being fastened to it's position.

Nope. The spire is NOT in its final location. It's going to be jacked up and moved out to the corner of the tower. It will surpass the height of Scotia Plaza next door. The present square scaffold and platform at the corner of the tower are temporary and support the installation of the spire. Once the spire's in place, they'll be removed.


Close-up courtesy of Jasonzed. You can see the spire peeking up within the bottom half of the temporary installation scaffold.

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I just read on UT that the spire's top will be lifted into place this weekend. (probably Saturday) I hope someone gets pics or video.

I love buildings that have interesting design details, so I'm really looking foreword to the light up the front and that spire looks great!

Standing proud!

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By night, from my POV (9:15pm) -

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we now officially have Toronto's new 2nd tallest! :party:

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WOW! I'm blown away. i didn't think this spire would be so "Burj Khalifa-esque". this is crazy how prominent it is!!! and it balances out the tower really nicely!!!!


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Photos from yesterday:

From yesterday... unfortunately before the big jump of the spire.

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all photos by me: steveve

more photos from yesterday:

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great photos steeve, thanks for sharing.

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I underestimated the impact that spire will have on Toronto's skyline. :drool:

^^ Moi, aussi. I think the spire will be the best part of the tower.

It looks taller then the crane right now. What if we get a big wind storm that spins the crane?

A whole bunch of videos from Saturday.... check out how hardcore it was with all the street closings and cops!

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****and Trump tower was just on CP24 regarding the spire and what not.... .. gotta change my pants!!!! best 30 seconds of my life!!!!

Trump Jr. was in Toronto today, Globe article:

Donald Trump Jr.'s glum outlook

david ebner
Toronto— Globe and Mail Update
Published Monday, Sep. 26, 2011 3:31PM EDT
Last updated Monday, Sep. 26, 2011 3:33PM EDT


The Trump name will soon stand high above Toronto’s financial district, as the city’s latest luxury hotel-condo is set to open in the next several months. Built and owned by Toronto-based Alex Shnaider, a billionaire Russian immigrant who made his money in steel, the Trump family will manage the hotel. The Trumps, in their first foray in Canada, hope to lure guests with their “global superbrand.” Donald Trump, in between reality television work, oversees holdings in hotels, golf and other assets such as perfumes. His oldest son, 33-year-old Donald Jr., is an executive vice-president at the company, one of three siblings with the same title, and was in Toronto Sept. 26 to speak at the Ontario Business Achievement Awards.

Mr. Trump is bullish on his family’s prospects but otherwise bearish, worried the United States economy will suffer through years of turmoil....

...In Toronto, the market for high-end luxury seems pretty crowded now, with the Ritz, Shangri-La, Four Seasons and you. What’s the outlook now?

When I first went to look at the market, I stayed at the best options, and I was definitely underwhelmed. There was a vacuum in the ultra-high end. We were the first to recognize the need. That said, I welcome the competition. Our sales, our numbers, speak for themselves.

You have international projects on the go in Panama, Scotland. What’s next in Canada?

I want to get established in Toronto first. There’s definitely room, potentially, in Canada. I’d love to do something on the west coast. Vancouver’s one of my favourite cities in the Americas, if not the world, being an outdoors guy myself. Canada definitely has a place on our radar.

Read More: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/donald-trump-jrs-glum-outlook/article2180588/

^^Lets hope Vancity gets a Trump as well. :cheers:

thanks for the vids steeve, nice to see it's near completion.

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That last pic . . .is it me, or does it look like the spire is leaning to the left?

The camera shot is crooked, not the spire.

looks great from city hall.

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^^ From that last angle you can really see how much Trump is cheating to get up past Scotia Plaza :troll:

:tiasd:

^^ Believe it or not, these "cheats" are acceptable height measurements here on SSC in the "Supertall" section. Buildings whose highest usable floor is around 245 metres are called "supertalls" if the architect has built doo-dahs or scoops, or hats, or "spires" on top. The only thing not allowed, apparently, is an antennae.

trump tower should have been 10 more floors :(

That last pic . . .is it me, or does it look like the spire is leaning to the left?

I think I see that too...they'll fix it before she's done I'm sure.

The spire is parallel to the side of Scotia Plaza so its the photo not the spire that's crooked.

The spire is fine. And tonight I noticed it's re beacon light on. Nice.

trump tower should have been 10 more floors :(

Totally agree with you Krispy.

The problem with Trump Tower is that its quite narrow that means it will be hidden by the other buildings around it.

The only way around it was to make the tower taller so that it stands above the the larger buildings around it.

What imbiciles, all they had to do was 10 more stories and everything would be good.

I can't believe Trump agreed to this. :bash:

Don't forget a little thing called "Global Recession" got in the way, and also don't forget the Trump Tower was a pioneer in pushing up high-end square foot prices in Toronto.

^^ Believe it or not, these "cheats" are acceptable height measurements here on SSC in the "Supertall" section. Buildings whose highest usable floor is around 245 metres are called "supertalls" if the architect has built doo-dahs or scoops, or hats, or "spires" on top. The only thing not allowed, apparently, is an antennae.

I find that rediculous too. I don't see how this white spire is anymore structural than the antannae on FCP.

^^ I found this in another thread discussing the subject, and it made me laugh!

I've got a question. If Daniel Libeskind would have a 1 meter haircut, would he be considered taller than the Great Khali?

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I find that rediculous too. I don't see how this white spire is anymore structural than the antannae on FCP.

pretty much. its kinda dumb. a spire is still a "mast" just like wats on fcp.

it is what it is now though..topped out and all but im hoping they pimp out the spire with lights so at night it will look really good

It's all about the use actually. If used as an antennae then it will be treated as so. Just look at the Willis tower in Chicago. If it's a spire, nothing more than a decorative beam, then it is considered architectural and thus counted.

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There should be some rule that the "top" of a building is the point below which lies 95% of the building's bulk, or something like that.

From a distance, Trump vs. Scotia doesn't even look close.

I think the rule used to be the height of the highest usable storey, but that has gone the way of the past as people thirst to have a "supertall" in their city. Towers like the London Bridge project, or Q1 would not be supertalls at all without the decorative structure above the tallest usable floor.

personally..i will not consider trump to be taller then scotia

Me either, but our group at SSC appears to be out of step with the rest as doo dahs, hats, kitty litter scoops and spires are all being included now. Just not antennae, apparently.

I agree, that spire pole does not make Trump taller. The height of a tower should end just after the mechanicals or living space and not some added on do-dad.

personally..i will not consider trump to be taller then scotia

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I think the rule used to be the height of the highest usable storey, but that has gone the way of the past as people thirst to have a "supertall" in their city. Towers like the London Bridge project, or Q1 would not be supertalls at all without the decorative structure above the tallest usable floor.

To be fair, The Shard's "spire" is a hell of a lot more architectural than Q1's "we're the biggest residential" spire.

Here is my thinking on the matter. Windows, Doors, Huge ass metal beams, and so on are all FUNCTIONAL parts of a building, or purposeful. They all have a reason for existing that is important to the building. They all do something, one keeps the weather out, the other is what holds the building up as its skeleton. An antenna is the communications for a building broadcasting and receiving whatever the hell it broadcasts and receives lol, it is arguably another FUNCTIONAL part of the building. So a PART OF THE BUILDING (yes it is completely connected to the building so you can't say its not) that actually DOES SOMETHING...like you know, most other parts of a building... is not part of the building and somehow doesn't count. But a giant ass useless chunk of steel rod that does NOTHING...is a part of the building and counts???

"YA BUT AN ANTENNA CAN BE REMOVED AND CAN BE TEMPORARY HURP DURP!!"

Ya... so can WINDOWS... and BEAMS that need replacing. Oh and guess what else can be removed... SPIRES. :bash:

So by this logic, spires should be considered a part of the building and they should count, but their relevance as "part of the building" is far less than that of a functional antenna, so if spires are counted antennas DEFINITELY should be. If antenna's aren't counted then spires should have absolutely no hope whatsoever of being counted. But hey who the hell needs logic right.

Who said there is a campaign to get FCP made a "supertall"?
Looks like our friend dleung is back.

If I hold an umbrella does that make me 7 ft tall? No, and an antenna does not make a building a super-tall. It is not part of the structure. For the most part I only look at the roof-line for actual height, only in some cases like ESB, Petronas, and Burj do I take the spire into count.

there should be 2 measurements, main structure height(where the actual building ends) and additional apparatus height(including spires and antennas)

if ur gonna factor the trump spire u probably have to factor that 15 story antenna on fcp

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^^Can you imagine that tower lit at night from spire to base? :cheers:

Hi all.

Here is my thinking on the matter. Windows, Doors, Huge ass metal beams, and so on are all FUNCTIONAL parts of a building, or purposeful. They all have a reason for existing that is important to the building. They all do something, one keeps the weather out, the other is what holds the building up as its skeleton. An antenna is the communications for a building broadcasting and receiving whatever the hell it broadcasts and receives lol, it is arguably another FUNCTIONAL part of the building. So a PART OF THE BUILDING (yes it is completely connected to the building so you can't say its not) that actually DOES SOMETHING...like you know, most other parts of a building... is not part of the building and somehow doesn't count. But a giant ass useless chunk of steel rod that does NOTHING...is a part of the building and counts???

"YA BUT AN ANTENNA CAN BE REMOVED AND CAN BE TEMPORARY HURP DURP!!"

Ya... so can WINDOWS... and BEAMS that need replacing. Oh and guess what else can be removed... SPIRES. :bash:

So by this logic, spires should be considered a part of the building and they should count, but their relevance as "part of the building" is far less than that of a functional antenna, so if spires are counted antennas DEFINITELY should be. If antenna's aren't counted then spires should have absolutely no hope whatsoever of being counted. But hey who the hell needs logic right.

Hi Neil.

A lightning rod is functional yet it isn't "counted" as you put it.

If I hold an umbrella does that make me 7 ft tall? No, and an antenna does not make a building a super-tall. It is not part of the structure. For the most part I only look at the roof-line for actual height, only in some cases like ESB, Petronas, and Burj do I take the spire into count.

Hi Andrew.

A reasonable notion that many use but you can't have it one way for some structures and another way for the rest.


there should be 2 measurements, main structure height(where the actual building ends) and additional apparatus height(including spires and antennas)

if ur gonna factor the trump spire u probably have to factor that 15 story antenna on fcp

Hi Krispy.

There are actually 3 official measures and there used to be 4.



Guys, the CTBUH has to have rules that apply to all buildings and structures.
All of their measures start and end at points that have been well thought out and debated by the leading minds in many fields related to skyscrapers and construction.

Their measures start at "the height of the finished floor at the threshold of the lowest, significant, open air, pedestrian entrance". Even this point that seems obvious can be a problem for the uninformed. One WTC will be measured taller than 1776 feet. The discrepancy arises from the fact the planners used an average ground level height between 2 entrances at different heights. Some just can't accept this.

The main measurement (and the one they use to rank and compare tall structures) is height to architectural top. This includes spires because they an architectural feature of the building. Sure, spires can be removed but so can any other part of the structure ... Point is, spires are not removed or changed in height or appearance.

The second measurement is height to tip. This includes anything at the top, functional or not. This is important because it is the actual ultimate height of the structure. I personally like this one for that reason but I do see how the council would use the arch. top as the main measure because the owners may change the flagpole, antennae, or lightning rod for a different model with a different height.

The third measurement is height of the highest occupied level. This one is fairly self explanantory but must be looked at on a project to project basis.

The height to roof measurement is the one they no longer recognise. This one was a problem from the start in trying to determine where the roof is on many tall buildings.

IMO the 3 measures the council uses are logical and serve the need quite well.

:cheers:
Ray.

I agree with C. Hume of the T. Star, this is a very ugly new building. With the spire, it is worse.

I don't recall Hume saying anything like that.

^ he had a top 5 ugliest new buildings list and this number 1 or 2, I believe

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Ah well, I try to hold out until a building is finished, he should to.

Ah well, I try to hold out until a building is finished, he should to.

^^ That is nothing. Rochon "reviewed" Cityplace years ago when it had just started and only a few original buildings were built, with most of it still a massive brown field. She berated the project for things like "landscaping" compared to the Concord development in Vancouver, when no one had any
clue of what they were going to do. She doesn't seem to like any project in this city, now or in the future.

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When is the official ribbon cutting ceremony for this building

When is the official ribbon cutting ceremony for this building

the offical opening is January 31st

Hi all.



Hi Neil.

A lightning rod is functional yet it isn't "counted" as you put it.



Hi Andrew.

A reasonable notion that many use but you can't have it one way for some structures and another way for the rest.




Hi Krispy.

There are actually 3 official measures and there used to be 4.



Guys, the CTBUH has to have rules that apply to all buildings and structures.
All of their measures start and end at points that have been well thought out and debated by the leading minds in many fields related to skyscrapers and construction.

Their measures start at "the height of the finished floor at the threshold of the lowest, significant, open air, pedestrian entrance". Even this point that seems obvious can be a problem for the uninformed. One WTC will be measured taller than 1776 feet. The discrepancy arises from the fact the planners used an average ground level height between 2 entrances at different heights. Some just can't accept this.

The main measurement (and the one they use to rank and compare tall structures) is height to architectural top. This includes spires because they an architectural feature of the building. Sure, spires can be removed but so can any other part of the structure ... Point is, spires are not removed or changed in height or appearance.

The second measurement is height to tip. This includes anything at the top, functional or not. This is important because it is the actual ultimate height of the structure. I personally like this one for that reason but I do see how the council would use the arch. top as the main measure because the owners may change the flagpole, antennae, or lightning rod for a different model with a different height.

The third measurement is height of the highest occupied level. This one is fairly self explanantory but must be looked at on a project to project basis.

The height to roof measurement is the one they no longer recognise. This one was a problem from the start in trying to determine where the roof is on many tall buildings.

IMO the 3 measures the council uses are logical and serve the need quite well.

:cheers:
Ray.

''A lightning rod is functional yet it isn't "counted" as you put it.''

Well than maybe it should be??? I do however see the reasoning in not using the height to roof measurement in that on some buildings its nearly impossible to figure out where the ''roof'' is.

I still do not see their reasoning for not counting antennas as logical. You can say that it can or will be removed all day until you're blue in the face, and that will never change the fact that it is as permanent as anything else until somebody decides to get rid of it, and it may NEVER be taken down or replaced. Anybody could just as easily decide a few years from now that spires are so 10 years ago and have one taken down.

Hi all.

Hi Neil.

True, but a line has to be drawn in the sand somewhere ...

No matter where that line is, there will be some who think it should be moved one way or another.

:cheers:
Ray.

If the antenna was not part of the architects design it is not part of the building. If you put a satellite dish on your roof would you measure the height of your house to the top of the dish? I think not. An antenna is not an architectural feature, this is why it never has and never will count in a buildings actual height.

Damn, look how tall these house are.

http://travelphotos.everything-everywhere.com/Asia/Cambodia/Tonle-Sap/2954879099bfca70e0fbo/483625563_vMJ9Q-1000x1000.jpg
Your argument is just as silly.

Not only do these have great base, they make you 2 inches taller.
http://www.google.ca/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://gadgets.boingboing.net/filesroot/6a00d83452989a69e200e55297002b8833-800wi.jpg&sa=X&ei=uACmTp2BL4PV0QGKm9ykDg&ved=0CAsQ8wc4FQ&usg=AFQjCNHaCkdwUPzyjPvnPzrPWiJd66yr1g

This car is at least 8 ft tall according to your argument.
http://www.google.ca/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://forums.radioreference.com/attachments/federal-monitoring-forum/25843d1257202792-secret-service-antennas-antenna-car-1-lrg.jpg&sa=X&ei=JAGmTp3HJMPs0gGpv4S1Dg&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGHVsIARRGuc9c6LTJ8BalcfuafTw

Hi all.

Hi Andrew.

Your examples show why there is an official height to tip measurement.

Makes sense the height to arch. top is the main measure for many reasons including those you mention, but there still has to be a measurement of the ultimate height of structures.

As for the spire verses antenna thing, I agree with you and I don't quite grasp how anyone couldn't.

To each their own I guess but the council is the group of people that have decided - correctly IMO.

:cheers:
Ray.

So, including the decorative hats, "spires", kitty litter scoops, etc....etc...etc... makes the person, or robot 7 feet tall instead of only 6.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/dawnd_01/FALL%202011/tophat.jpg
http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=top+hat+monocle&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1680&bih=907&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=QfRXRUwKU_IISM:&imgrefurl=http://www.city-data.com/forum/relationships/857367-women-do-you-like-guys-wear.html&docid=R8h8aqg-WRrLhM&imgurl=http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/relationships/55787d1262663333-women-do-you-like-guys-wear-tophat.jpg&w=710&h=545&ei=kTKmToSBLMjOgAeLmMwH&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=669&sig=116958176782621221010&page=1&tbnh=179&tbnw=235&start=0&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0&tx=116&ty=131

there always was a line drawn in the sand, and that line was the highest usable floor. People's thirst to have their very own supertall in their very own city has wiggled that line in the sand right out of shape.

If the antenna was not part of the architects design it is not part of the building. If you put a satellite dish on your roof would you measure the height of your house to the top of the dish? I think not. An antenna is not an architectural feature, this is why it never has and never will count in a buildings actual height.

Damn, look how tall these house are.

http://travelphotos.everything-everywhere.com/Asia/Cambodia/Tonle-Sap/2954879099bfca70e0fbo/483625563_vMJ9Q-1000x1000.jpg
Your argument is just as silly.

Not only do these have great base, they make you 2 inches taller.
http://www.google.ca/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://gadgets.boingboing.net/filesroot/6a00d83452989a69e200e55297002b8833-800wi.jpg&sa=X&ei=uACmTp2BL4PV0QGKm9ykDg&ved=0CAsQ8wc4FQ&usg=AFQjCNHaCkdwUPzyjPvnPzrPWiJd66yr1g

This car is at least 8 ft tall according to your argument.
http://www.google.ca/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://forums.radioreference.com/attachments/federal-monitoring-forum/25843d1257202792-secret-service-antennas-antenna-car-1-lrg.jpg&sa=X&ei=JAGmTp3HJMPs0gGpv4S1Dg&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGHVsIARRGuc9c6LTJ8BalcfuafTw

wow the second floors in those houses are luxurious

wow the second floors in those houses are luxurious

You ain't seen nuttin' yet:


http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/dawnd_01/FALL%202011/RedNeckResort.jpg


Sorry... I've contributed to this thread spinning off topic. :(

Anyway, that is a legit 4 story building to the roof. No spires, antennas or doohickeys there.

Trump Tower Manila

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6095/6243020902_6cddefd785_z.jpg (http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6095/6243020902_6cddefd785_z.jpg)

Anyway, that is a legit 4 story building to the roof. No spires, antennas or doohickeys there.

You don't see the decorative windmill on top of the left hand trailer? Clearly a "cheat".

Would have preferred the Manila version. Now I am sad.

Yeah, that would've been nice here too. But I think the biggest problem with TTT is not the buidling itself, but the location. The tower, even with its height, can't be viewed or fully appreciated because it's wedged between so many buildings. It doesn't add to the skyline. It's a shame the developers didn't think about moving the site to a location further up Bay where it could stand out on its own.

Yeah, that would've been nice here too. But I think the biggest problem with TTT is not the buidling itself, but the location. The tower, even with its height, can't be viewed or fully appreciated because it's wedged between so many buildings. It doesn't add to the skyline. It's a shame the developers didn't think about moving the site to a location further up Bay where it could stand out on its own.

it's all about location, not so much whether the tower will be seen or not... this is the financial district, and developers sought out this land with that in mind... and it does add to the skyline, even though it's small, you'd be surprised how much better it looks now compared to last year,

IMO, it's highly visible from the northwest :)

I seem to be in the minority in that I like Trump Toronto.

I like the Trump Tower....I just don't like Trump.... :)

I seem to be in the minority in that I like Trump Toronto.

i think Trump does more good than bad... I'm a fan of the design where you can see it most, i'm a big fan of how it looks on the skyline, i'm a HUGE fan of the interiors/what the hotel will do for the city... Trump tower = can't hurt.

i think Trump does more good than bad... I'm a fan of the design where you can see it most, i'm a big fan of how it looks on the skyline, i'm a HUGE fan of the interiors/what the hotel will do for the city... Trump tower = can't hurt.

yea man pretty much, although the building doesnt shine and stand out much, its a good height and location and beefs up the cbd. it looks decent and any added height and bulk is better then it is worse

yea man pretty much, although the building doesnt shine and stand out much, its a good height and location and beefs up the cbd. it looks decent and any added height and bulk is better then it is worse

wait till it's completed and lit up at night, it will shine.

It's also incredibly dirty right now.

from today
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii108/jasonzedd/Toronto/20111016032.jpg


Toronto needs a pink capped building. It looks great from a distance.

Ahha yeah, since they took off the pink, Shangri La isn't as noticeable.

Cladding has gone all the way up to the dome. I'm finally loving Trump now. Looks fantastic! let's hope the treatment of the dome and the recessed mechanical top are up to par!

I really dislike how the dome was placed; I wish it were higher up so it would stand out more and not be overwhelmed by the concrete slab that will contain the Trump name.

forgot to post these,

Taken Nov 7 by my sister as she came back from NYC (edited by me of course ;) ),... WOW. cladding has progressed up the base of the dome!>.. gotta say, Trump Tower is BEAST from city hall... dominates even FCP (illusion wise).

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6116/6327106750_de7d23a52a_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6053/6326355565_ca5774e2fb_b.jpg


And a bonus, also taken by my sister on her way there,
I spy Trump:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6211/6326352785_ebbdeaed46_b.jpg

More skyline pics from above posted here:
http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/8967-Toronto-skyline?p=5728

great to see its almost done.

steveve's day off. (though too cold to take enough photos)

November 30, 2011:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6432489549_661cf55421_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6432492707_9699633927_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6432495895_986f21ed2c_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6432500209_1cfeac3bdd_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6432511899_6223eeb82b_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6432508779_77500efaf9_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6432504821_92ea23c6cb_b.jpg

That first shot almost looks like a rendering. Nice work.