Yeah, thanks for dropping by and giving updates to those of us who have believed and those who haven't (and still don't)

I'm sure most people in Toronto are looking forward to it because it could be a big milestone for the city.

The simple reason that the building has taken longer to sell than others is the price-range. Suites at the $1M + range don't fly off the shelves like $200,000 condos. There is simply a smaller market of potential buyers at this price range.


I don't disagree with that...except I don't think that is the "simple" reason at all. I think it took longer because for those looking to spend that much, this would rarely be their first choice...because there have been plenty of other million dollar condos sold since Trump has been marketed.

Two main reasons...it is not a prime upscale residential location...and the Trump name doesn't have as much pull with the "crowd" as some might think...I think he's an icon for people who couldn't afford the units. Plus, savy investors know it's just one of his "franchised" buildings...where he takes a 8% to 15% commision on sales for using his name....rather than being the "developer". Let's face it...he's seen as a massive, self-promoting egomaniac, who really believes anything he touches turns to gold, and the smart people will come along for the ride. And he's been doijng it for too long...it wouldn't even make a decent Simpsons episode any more....and that's pretty much the end of the road.

That said...it's still going to make a nice addition to MINT. And for that...all is forgiven.




KGB

All I can say is that I am glad it will be going up, thanks trumptoronto for all the updates and info you have provided over the last while, we all appreciate it here.

If you can, buy now, hold, enjoy and prosper!

When Trump Tower started selling it was priced at $700/sq. ft. - much more than the price in other developments. Now they're selling the remaining units for $1000/sq ft. at a time that you can still buy new units at $350/sq. ft.

This project has undoubtedly set a new price point in Toronto. It’s created a whole new market so no one should be surprised if it takes a bit longer to sell. Now Maple Leaf Square can sell at $500-600 and be considered good value.

I also suspect that Trump’s entry into the Toronto market convinced Ritz Carlton to come in. There’s certainly some connection between the two because previously this (or another) project was to be the Ritz but was taken over by Trump. The developer featuring in that episode introduced Toronto to both companies.

Irrespective of who the actual developer is, Trump’s coming to Toronto has been very, very good for Toronto’s image.

In my case, I hope to one day upgrade from CityPlace to the Trump Tower.

When Trump Tower started selling it was priced at $700/sq. ft. - much more than the price in other developments. Now they're selling the remaining units for $1000/sq ft. at a time that you can still buy new units at $350/sq. ft.

This project has undoubtedly set a new price point in Toronto. It’s created a whole new market so no one should be surprised if it takes a bit longer to sell. Now Maple Leaf Square can sell at $500-600 and be considered good value.

I also suspect that Trump’s entry into the Toronto market convinced Ritz Carlton to come in. There’s certainly some connection between the two because previously this (or another) project was to be the Ritz but was taken over by Trump. The developer featuring in that episode introduced Toronto to both companies.

Irrespective of who the actual developer is, Trump’s coming to Toronto has been very, very good for Toronto’s image.

In my case, I hope to one day upgrade from CityPlace to the Trump Tower.

For most of what you say I totally agree with. Having Trump in TO will definitely improve the image and make it more known around the globe. Regardless of how people make fun of the comb over, the man has lots of money and rich folks buy because they know they are getting quality.

Many people are now investing in Toronto. The Middle Eastern people are flocking here in droves and buying up companies especially ones that are known. They are getting a good company at reasonable prices. With those purchases, it is bringing attention from within that region and things are changing. Hence the reason that Ethiad is here in TO and upgrading to a daily flight next year. Emirates is supposed to be also flying to TO.

I am not giving the whole credit to Trump but it certainly has not hurt the city. Regardless, I am glad it is going where it is because it will add some vitality to the area after hours. It is good to have a mix of business and residential in the area cause it means that there will be people in the area at all times, not only during business hours.

We need more Trumps in this city, or at least some of that New York "can do" attitude. Too many people are comfortable with the "can't do" mantra
for my taste.

We need more Trumps in this city, or at least some of that New York "can do" attitude. Too many people are comfortable with the "can't do" mantra
for my taste.

Taller, a great perspective as usual.

That can-do attitude comes from pride. That's what's missing from the equation here. There's very little civic pride in Toronto for such a great city. There's some neighbourhood pride that helps fuel the NIMBY freight train, but little pride for the city as a whole. It's baffling.

That's why people don't lobby and fight for proper funding for the city, that's why people don't unite and fight for expos and olympics, that's why very few people show up to public consultations, that's why people accept mediocre planning and architecture. It's all pride, and we don't have it.

It's not about waving pompoms and saying that everything about the city is great. It's about giving a s**t on a most basic level. It's about fighting for what's YOURS!!!! The funding issue is not about getting a handout, it's about keeping money that rightfully belongs here. If people saw it like that, they would fight. The government takes money out of the city and doesn't return it. That's wrong, it's unfair and it needs to be fixed. People need to know this.

That can-do attitude comes from pride. That's what's missing from the equation here. There's very little civic pride in Toronto for such a great city. There's some neighbourhood pride that helps fuel the NIMBY freight train, but little pride for the city as a whole. It's baffling.

all what the whole 'can do' attitude leads to is financial ruin

its only baffling because you interpret civic pride with skyscrapers and/or parks

C'mon, Trump is a charicature in the development world who occasionally puts aside the combover and cheesy reality show to sponsor something none of you would ever be able to afford. And, most likely all you'll ever see from him in Toronto is a smelly loading dock and three to four car entrances - yeah ... now that's pride in city building

Mine was more of a general comment in response to Taller's post about negativity and the lack of need for it. You seem to grasp negativity well, though, valantino.

I honestly don't care about Trump at all. I think the building will be good for the city and if it takes the Trump name to get it built then that's fine.

Best part of your post: "all the whole 'can do' attitude leads to is financial ruin."

I'm just going to let that one stand on its own so I can admire it.

There's very little civic pride in Toronto for such a great city.

I disagree. When it comes to Torontonians discussing issues like crime and development we tend to be very critical and cynical but when other people start hating on Toronto or saying things like "Toronto is headed to the gutter" most torontonians have all guns blazing defending their city and the many great things about it. I think that sort of critical introspection is needed and healthy to make our city great.

I disagree. When it comes to Torontonians discussing issues like crime and development we tend to be very critical and cynical but when other people start hating on Toronto or saying things like "Toronto is headed to the gutter" most torontonians have all guns blazing defending their city and the many great things about it. I think that sort of critical introspection is needed and healthy to make our city great.

Really? In my experience when people start the ubiquitous badmouthing of Toronto (which is so universally popular in our great country), many Torontonians will whip out their knee-pads and pull the old "We are not Worthy" routine to try and separate and elevate themselves from the rest of the dimwitted hoi-polloi that apparently dominate this non World-Class city. I'm all for critical introspection, and I am all for raising the bar, but I do get a bit tired of the pervasive low self esteem in this city, as it is often a weapon against progressive change and a tool to try and keep our neighbour from succeeding. Maybe it is just that old Protestant work ethic which demands that you don't get too cocky and take any pride in your accomplishments.

many Torontonians will whip out their knee-pads and pull the old "We are not Worthy" routine to try and separate and elevate themselves from the rest of the dimwitted hoi-polloi that apparently dominate this non World-Class city.

but many more will partake in infantile defensive strategies as witnessed in any city vs city discussion involving Toronto among the forums

the whole 'wish it were taller' or 'damn nimbys' is exactly the short-sighted, 'we are not worthy' ,dimwitted hoi-polloi-ess keeping us from becoming the best centre of the universe we can be

I'm just going to let that one stand on its own so I can admire it.

Don't mock it - I'm spending half my time in the capital of 'can do' in which a greater majority to Toronto are workoholic, jones grass is greener, Bay Street drones preforming menial, redundant tasks for some regional monopoly ( which of course is a pathetic remnant of the 'can do' glory days of the eighties, which by the nineties , left dozens begging in the streets)

Best centre of the universe? There is only room for one city to be the centre of everything in existence--and if not Toronto, where?

Case and point. :D


I do believe some people that live here don't like the city--but most really do. I was having a conversation with friends at work and they were talking about how Toronto is one of the fastest growing cities in the world. Had to set them straight on a few things but everything was positive. You will have those people that continually say thisg like, "This city can't do anything right..." ...Rayrayray... But I do believe that the majority do like the city. I remember when talking to my mom about how the cost of living is much cheaper in Montreal, she replied, "What so you want us to move there? We're moving up, why go back down." I have to admit I was quiet shocked. LOL.

So did they ever release any offical press release on the announcement or was it just the emails they sent out and the Globe article?

Don't see anything else new on Google News or on the torontotrump website.

Best centre of the universe? There is only room for one city to be the centre of everything in existence--and if not Toronto, where?

Case and point. :D


I do believe some people that live here don't like the city--but most really do. I was having a conversation with friends at work and they were talking about how Toronto is one of the fastest growing cities in the world. Had to set them straight on a few things but everything was positive. You will have those people that continually say thisg like, "This city can't do anything right..." ...Rayrayray... But I do believe that the majority do like the city. I remember when talking to my mom about how the cost of living is much cheaper in Montreal, she replied, "What so you want us to move there? We're moving up, why go back down." I have to admit I was quiet shocked. LOL.


It is all part of the maturing process of a city, and in that respect Toronto has a long way to go compared to a lot of the cities I have been to in my travels. Many cities like Montreal or NYC have far more collective sense of self confidence (and dare I say pride?) in their city, and hence spend less time with self-concious navel-gazing. To me this is a particularily exciting time to live in Toronto.. the city has seemingly come to grips with the fact that much of what has been built here was of a bland character, and there is a will to improve our built environment. The city is coming alive! Most people, I believe, will get caught up in the excitement of the change in our city (architecturally and culturally)... except perhaps for the "big fish in a small pond" who feel threatened with all the expansion of our little "pond". The Trump Tower project is definitely part of that expansion! I say bring it on..............:cheers:

:cheers:

I agree. This is a tower that is important because of two things: its location and its height. It could be the catalyst to awakening the CBD after 5 p.m. It could bring more residential to the area. It could do and be a lot of things. Only time will tell.

In a way it is indicative of how much and how fast this city is changing. If someone had told us ten years ago that a project of this huge size, with units of this price point could be done in Toronto, few would have believed it. To have it happening in conjunction with the current massive condo boom with lots of high end competition like The Ritz/Four Seasons and a plethora of others shows the momentum that is happening here. The impossible is becoming the possible!

Many cities like Montreal or NYC have far more collective sense of self confidence (and dare I say pride?) in their city, and hence spend less time with

but there are many people in the boroughs of NYC who would only go and walk around Manhattan at gunpoint in addition to NIMBYism we here can't even imagine

The division between French and English that for decades has led economic stagnation as well as several exoduses from corporate to the masses remains unresolved in Montreal as well

but there are many people in the boroughs of NYC who would only go and walk around Manhattan at gunpoint in addition to NIMBYism we here can't even imagine

The division between French and English that for decades has led economic stagnation as well as several exoduses from corporate to the masses remains unresolved in Montreal as well


I was not intending to start a City vs City discussion; as you pointed out those hoary old "debates" degenerated into infantile defensive temper tantrums and penis measuring contests and were quite rightly stopped. I am aware of the many drawbacks to life in Montreal and New York City, but my point was (hidden amongst a healthy dose of hyperbole) that many major cities have a strong civic pride that is lacking here; but that slowly Torontonians are finding their stride. A turning point, in my opinion, was the SARS outbreak that was the final kick in the goolies. After we got through that there seemed to be a stronger will to improve the city as a whole. I think there was a realisation that no one else was going to do it for us, so we had to improve our city the hard way- through inspiration and perspiration.

I'm so embarrassed to be a torontonian that i walk around with a paper bag on my head.

lol.

I believe the real insecurity with torontonians isn't the adult-status of the old city--rather the "immature" youth of the suburbs vs. older american and quebec suburbs. Most people who work and shop downtown and thus are critical of the city actually live in the new(er) suburbs. Toss in the fact many are new canadians and perhaps aren't strongly attached to their new city identity; thus it is understandable the self-doubt amongst the majority here.

People who live in the annex or other old downtown nabes are proud torontonians. Then again maybe the real anxiety amongst us is the fact we really want to be americans but will never be just like them.

As to the real topic trump==get your butt in gear and build the dang thing! The russians have loads of cash--just build it and the rest will sell out, ok!

People who live in the annex or other old downtown nabes are proud torontonians. Then again maybe the real anxiety amongst us is the fact we really want to be americans but will never be just like them.

Speak for yourself! I don't want to be like the people to the south at all.

Speak for yourself! I don't want to be like the people to the south at all.

Neither do I ;) I'm glad i'm Canadian

^ agreed completely.. canadas better lol

It is all part of the maturing process of a city, and in that respect Toronto has a long way to go compared to a lot of the cities I have been to in my travels. Many cities like Montreal or NYC have far more collective sense of self confidence (and dare I say pride?) in their city, and hence spend less time with self-concious navel-gazing.

I've heard just as much self-concious navel gazing and signs of 'insecurity' from Montrealers as I have from Torontonians.

Well, in any case it is all straying from the topic.

Yeah, what's up with the tower?

I do recall alot of civic pride in the autumns of 2002 & 2003 when the economic outlook was at its bleakest but can't comment on the rest of this depressed time as I was out of town (fall 2004 was probably just as grand ;))


I've noticed a change as well since around the time of SARs however I wonder if this may have more to do with a continued economic upswing + change in direction from city council than a new found, stronger sense of civicpride

Yeah, what's up with the tower?

wait 6 months

I've noticed a change as well since around the time of SARs however I wonder if this may have more to do with a continued economic upswing + change in direction from city council than a new found, stronger sense of civicpride

Sometimes a major disaster like that to a city can galvanize people and strengthen their will to succeed. Events like the American raids of 1812, and both world wars really spurred the growth of Toronto. SARS was a strange time for Toronto, for not only was it being kicked in the goolies by the international press, it was patently obvious that there was not going to be a bit of moral support from the ROC, and precious little recompense from the Federal Government. During that decade when Toronto was starved by both the Feds and the Provincial government, by all accounts it should have completely gone down the tubes, but in a perverse way the adversity seemed to make the city stronger. There is a theory that cities who rely too heavily on government handouts (no names mentioned) become lazy and unimaginative as they know the money is going to arrive anyway. If a city is ambitious and gets starved, it works harder. Pride comes from weathering adversity.

Civic Pride is good and all, but we need to stick to Trump here people.

^^conversation has to flow naturally or this place would be dead... I agree it should be roughly on-topic, but is there really anything about Trump to post right now? Not really...

there was a red car parked in a spot where a white car was parked the previously day - otherwise ... nothing new to report

^^conversation has to flow naturally or this place would be dead... I agree it should be roughly on-topic, but is there really anything about Trump to post right now? Not really...

exactly... when something new comes along it will be posted and that's all we'll be talking about for weeks.
i don't see a problem with going off topic in a thread, it happens all the time on every forum in the world.

OMG!!!!

Today the car was blue ....

Today the car was blue

I thought I saw a mini-crane at the location today but it was just a tow-truck taking away the blue car. It's currently a grey car.

Why yes, I am bored. Why do you ask?

Sometimes a major disaster like that to a city can galvanize people and strengthen their will to succeed. Events like the American raids of 1812, and both world wars really spurred the growth of Toronto. SARS was a strange time for Toronto, for not only was it being kicked in the goolies by the international press, it was patently obvious that there was not going to be a bit of moral support from the ROC, and precious little recompense from the Federal Government. During that decade when Toronto was starved by both the Feds and the Provincial government, by all accounts it should have completely gone down the tubes, but in a perverse way the adversity seemed to make the city stronger. There is a theory that cities who rely too heavily on government handouts (no names mentioned) become lazy and unimaginative as they know the money is going to arrive anyway. If a city is ambitious and gets starved, it works harder. Pride comes from weathering adversity.

I still wonder what the city would be like had it not burnt down.

I still wonder what the city would be like had it not burnt down.

There probably would not be much left in any case.... the buildings that were here were very modest, and probably mostly wooden. Don't forget 1812 was less than 20 years after the settling of Toronto by Europeans, and it was a very small town. I sometimes wonder what downtown would look like had it not been for the fire around 1905.

Yeah, it was that fire I was speaking of... Hmmm *ponders*...

There probably would not be much left in any case.... the buildings that were here were very modest, and probably mostly wooden. Don't forget 1812 was less than 20 years after the settling of Toronto by Europeans, and it was a very small town. I sometimes wonder what downtown would look like had it not been for the fire around 1905.

I remember seeing some old pics of Toronto in the early 1800s in history textbooks before.. needless to say, yes, it was quite lame. even without any wars or anything, those buildings would have been long gone by late 1800s.

Let's all take a moment to gasp at this tower's incredible beauty... I truly do love what the architect has done with this:

http://www.gamblegroup.com/img/DJTmodel_96dpi.jpg

ew it's so ugly. :( i hate the rooftop thing.

^^ I know the building looks a bit awkward and clumsy at the moment, but when it's in its dense surroundings, it'll look amazing I'm sure.

Yeah, it could look better, but it still is pretty nice. and it certainly will look very nice, imagine this once BA comes along.. that will be one VERY sexy intersection come 2010.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7232/torontotrumptowerlargebm8.jpg

I don't think it is ugly at all, and I don't think people will be unhappy once it is up!

Personally I really like the building. At least its something new for the Toronto skyline. Certainly it could have been more iconic, but it could have been worse too.

you can spot the stump in that last pic!

everytime i see the building i literally go "ugh".
something SO much nicer could have been made :(

I like it better than the taller one in Chicago.
When I look at the Sheraton Hotel, I literally go "uggh".
But thankfully I do not see "uggh" (literally or metaphorically)
in this baby. I will be happy to see it erected. :)

I will be happy to see it erected. :)

Hmmm.

Personally I really like the building. At least its something new for the Toronto skyline. Certainly it could have been more iconic, but it could have been worse too.

I agree, I think though the final product will look very good.

Trump International Hotel & Tower, Toronto has now finalized contruction financing. On January 5, 2007 they intend to apply to the City of Toronto for site plan approval and building permits. Construction start is scheduled for July 2007. - HLH



Let' see what happens on Friday!

How long does it take after you apply for site plan approval and building permits to get a confirmation? Will we actually hear any news on that day? I think it will be at least one week after January 5th before we hear anything.

july? jeez. this thing should have started construction by now if u ask me.

^^ Not really... or it would have. This is the way things go... stops, starts, slowing down, speeding up... just let it flow, ma man ;)

It's January 10th, I want an update!!!

Hello all by the way...I'm an ex Torontonian living in Vancouver. I miss Toronto alot...streetcars, Cabbagetown, Yonge/Dundas Squre, etc... hope all's well.

It's January 10th, I want an update!!!

Hello all by the way...I'm an ex Torontonian living in Vancouver. I miss Toronto alot...streetcars, Cabbagetown, Yonge/Dundas Squre, etc... hope all's well.

A few snowflakes fell on the site of Trump Toronto this morning... bringing an end to the inactivity that has been taking place for the last few months.

A few snowflakes fell on the site of Trump Toronto this morning... bringing an end to the inactivity that has been taking place for the last few months.

Shh... but there has actually been a flurry of activity going on behind the scenes (sorry, I couldn't resist!)! Things are happening! We're working out a few details and there will be a series of announcements made in the upcoming weeks/months. Hey, like everyone else, we took some time off for the holidays! What I can tell you is that a construction management firm has been hired and you can read into that whatever you'd like to ;)

Shh... but there has actually been a flurry of activity going on behind the scenes (sorry, I couldn't resist!)! Things are happening! We're working out a few details and there will be a series of announcements made in the upcoming weeks/months. Hey, like everyone else, we took some time off for the holidays! What I can tell you is that a construction management firm has been hired and you can read into that whatever you'd like to ;)

A complete redesign?
Trump is bankrupt?
This man makes me sick. He's an immature brat who doesn't deserve to be putting his name in this city! UGH!

Jesus TrumpToronto- what is with all the secrecy? Is this project a go or not? I mean would it kill you to actually give us some solid construction dates or information?

Hey, like everyone else, we took some time off for the holidays! What I can tell you is that a construction management firm has been hired and you can read into that whatever you'd like to

Strange to say the least. I would have thought the Construction Management firm would have been hired a long time ago- this is no 'small walk in the park' project and I can't even begin to imagine how much work they have ahead of them in order to have the time-lines / completion dates etc. ready for a late summer construction date?

p5

A complete redesign?
Trump is bankrupt?
This man makes me sick. He's an immature brat who doesn't deserve to be putting his name in this city! UGH!

...speaking of immature

...speaking of immature

I believe that's directed at me...
Did I insult you anywhere or judge you? If so I'd deserve that. Other than that, please try to think before you start personally insulting someone here.
I'm not insulting any member of this board. I honestly do not think he deserves to have a building in this city. The guy is a moron.

Trump Toronto; Thanks for the info please don't let a couple of idiots ruin it for the rest of us. I appreciate your input.

I think Trump is the best. Im so glad he took that cow Rosie McDonald's to task for her stupid remarks.

Rosie McDonald's

:lol:

God I hate her.

Trump is a moron, and he is also a horrible businessman. Horrible...

But I will admit that I do like his tower for Toronto. But that's it. Some Russian guy is truly behind it, if I recall.

Trump is a moron, and he is also a horrible businessman. Horrible...

But I will admit that I do like his tower for Toronto. But that's it. Some Russian guy is truly behind it, if I recall.

Ya it's like p diddy's sean john clothing label. it just has that on it but he doesn't design any of the stuff.

Sorry I ever posted. This is definately not for me. Bye.

Sorry I ever posted. This is definately not for me. Bye.

"definately"

try skyscraperpage.

^^ ha


thryve, it really doesn't hold much water when you say that Trump is a horrible businessman. The guy may be a lot of things, but a horrible businessman isn't one of them. I'm not even sure why you'd say that, given that he has built a business empire worth billions of dollars.

^AFAIK, he had a shitload of help by inheriting property which by the eighties had grown in value 10 fold

Even still, horrible?

Sounds like some playa hatin'.

^^ Word.

i really dont understand y yall are bashing trump. He's building not only Toronto's tallest resedential building but also Canada's tallest. This building will make our skyline more better than it already is. We should be happy were getting a trump tower, i bet people in Vancouver or even Edmonton hate us cause were getting so much skyscrapers and there stuck buildings that have a city limit on them!

i would rather have no building at all than that this ugly tower being built by an ugly man.

its not an ugly building this building is at this present is being advertised to places all over the world to come and buy a suite. Yes trump may not be the best man in the world but hey hes helping us develop our city!

^^

it is my personal opinion that it is indeed an ugly ass building.

then ur messed up cause everyone loves it its AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, come on phunky! Whose opinion would you value and trust more- BWG's or your lying eyes'? ;)

tanks cementationfurance lol but honestly phunky what don't you like about the building????

then ur messed up cause everyone loves it its AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how old are u? 12?

Why is this jerk not banned yet?

If someone doesn't like the way a building looks, respect that opinion.

If someone doesn't like the way a building looks, respect that opinion.

That's not what I'm talking about; come on, Jaye, get on the ball.

lol, I know what your talking about, I sent him a PM.

Hi im new here and i lke the dicussions you have but i just have one question does anyone know if they started the trump tower yet?

By b13 ----"Hi im new here and i lke the dicussions you have but i just have one question does anyone know if they started the trump tower yet? "


Trump International Hotel & Tower, Toronto has now finalized contruction financing. On January 5, 2007 they intend to apply to the City of Toronto for site plan approval and building permits. Construction start is scheduled for July 2007. - HLH

b13, this is how the project currently stands. No info on building permits from this month. Please scan previous postings before asking questions on subjects that have been ongoing topics of discussion for months.

any news?

Shh... but there has actually been a flurry of activity going on behind the scenes (sorry, I couldn't resist!)! Things are happening! We're working out a few details and there will be a series of announcements made in the upcoming weeks/months. Hey, like everyone else, we took some time off for the holidays! What I can tell you is that a construction management firm has been hired and you can read into that whatever you'd like to ;)

Thanks for the update, keep them coming!

^^ ha


thryve, it really doesn't hold much water when you say that Trump is a horrible businessman. The guy may be a lot of things, but a horrible businessman isn't one of them. I'm not even sure why you'd say that, given that he has built a business empire worth billions of dollars.

He inherited a business empire and expanded it.

He has made some good business deals, but let's not fool ourselves - he was born into a life of privledge and inherited a business his father spent years building.

There is no construction as of yet, just some blowing snow.

He inherited a business empire and expanded it.

He has made some good business deals, but let's not fool ourselves - he was born into a life of privledge and inherited a business his father spent years building.

I read once he inherited 1 million bucks, which is not a huge amount of money compared to some. Like him or not he did something with the million bucks and didn't just piss it away like I would have.:cheers:

If anyone is interested in knowing what an asshole Trump is, please go and check out the Chicago Forum and look at what is happening with Trump there.

p5

If anyone is interested in knowing what an asshole Trump is, please go and check out the Chicago Forum and look at what is happening with Trump there.

p5


do tell! I'm all ears. Does he have a closer involvement with Trump Chicago than he does with the Toronto one?

do tell! I'm all ears. Does he have a closer involvement with Trump Chicago than he does with the Toronto one?

Trump is making "null and void" contracts of early buyers who bought at a discount and raising the prices on them to steal their profits!
Unbelievable! and unpardonable!:ohno:

oooooooooooooooh... that is dirty pool.

Trump is making "null and void" contracts of early buyers who bought at a discount and raising the prices on them to steal their profits!
Unbelievable! and unpardonable!:ohno:

how can that possibly be legal?

I just read the Chicago thread. Dirty!!!!

how can that possibly be legal?

Because his contracts have a clause which allow an "out" for "certain factors beyond the control of the developer". Trump claims the escalating construction costs, which are beyond his control, qualify as an excuse to nullify the contract.:ohno:

Rosie was right.

Oh man... guys, check the Trump Chicago thread in the World Forums... Trump is an IDIOT!!! And he's quoted as saying something along the lines of "This project is a great success because of my involvement in it"... in the same article in which they talk about his latest trick with these condo contract tricks... the nerve!

Rosie was right.

For a moment I read "tight" You can imagine my shock and disbelief...

Rosie is a cheeseburger.

Rosie is a cheeseburger.

And you were the pickle that discovered this?

Oh, man. What a gross image.

*is confused*... I have to admit, Rosie is a pretty funny character. Cheeseburger? Is this 'cause you think she looks delicious? Interesting--interesting indeed.

I was surprised to see Trump on Ellen today, with all that's been going on with him and Rosie.
He was bragging about this tower in NYC he redeveloped and how it was worth $1 million when he bought it and now it's worth $400 million.

Does he have a closer involvement with Trump Chicago than he does with the Toronto one?

.......well, that is a given!! I think once the tower is built and is on its feet, the company responsible for its financing etc. (no it isn't Trump) should change the name- give him a towel and a bathrobe with the TTT logo on it and tell him to f-off. Change it to Frumps Toronto

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For a moment I read "tight" You can imagine my shock and disbelief...

I'll bet that hasn't been the case for 20 years! :lol:

In Friday's Toronto Star on page D11 "Trump, The Next Generation" Rob Salem asked Donald Trump Jr. for an update on the progress of TTT.

"We're getting very close. We have our pre-sales. We're going for the financing now and making some changes in the building, increasing the hotel component..."
"There has been a big influx in construction pricing, as you know. So we've had to make some changes, to absorb some of that. That slowed us down a little. But everything is going very well and we like the market. And they seem to take very well to us."

? When was the interview done? They already officially announced they had all the financing, so it sounds like that interview was done some time back. Sometimes newspapers keep articles on a back burner for quite awhile til they get a slow day and have some space to fill, and they plug in an old
article as filler. Happens all the time. Things get announced as being "new" when the true announcement was ages ago. One of our forumers here sometimes writes for the Star, so maybe he could shed some light on it! :)

The Friday January 19 Toronto Star article said:
"While his developer dad was otherwise occupied dissing Rosie O'Donnell, I sidled up to Donald Trump Jr. - his lookalike son and executive vice-president, development and acquisitions, for the Trump Organization - to ask for an update on the progress of their Toronto project."

So it sounds like the interview was done relatively recently.

Maybe the look-alike son is not "in the loop" with all the Trump projects going on around the world. There are a ton of them. Had it come from The Donald himself it would have caused some head scratching. Maybe they should contact his daughter( The Ivanka look-alike) who (unsurprisingly) is defending His Trumpness against big bad ol' Donut.:hilarious

I'm in Calgary right now and just about every developer is going back to purchasers months later asking for 50 to 100000 dollar more for their units

just another risk to associate to pre-buying in areas where developer can leaglly do it

So this actually happens regularly with developments?

Here is a link to the Toronto Star article mentioned above:
http://www.thestar.com/artsentertainment/article/172699

Its at the bottom of the article.

So this actually happens regularly with developments?

It's unheard of, actually, I'm quite sure. What he did, anyway.

So this actually happens regularly with developments?

I don't think so. It's probably in the fine print on the client's contacts for a lot of developments though just *incase* it needs to happen.
He probably just needed more money to get financing.

Cheeseburger? Is this 'cause you think she looks delicious? Interesting--interesting indeed.

Maybe it's because I love cheeseburgers just like I love Rosie. Or maybe I want to eat her.

Maybe it's because I love cheeseburgers just like I love Rosie. Or maybe I want to eat her.

Please, I just ate my dinner.:puke:

I don't think so. It's probably in the fine print on the client's contacts for a lot of developments though just *incase* it needs to happen.
He probably just needed more money to get financing.

Yea I was telling my aunt about it (shes a real estate agent) and she said there is usually fine print that allows a developer to do what Trump did.

I'm in Calgary right now and just about every developer is going back to purchasers months later asking for 50 to 100000 dollar more for their units
just another risk to associate to pre-buying in areas where developer can leaglly do it

Wow, live and learn.
I guess for buying pre-construction, "it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings", I mean, move in with the fat lady.:nuts:

Sure what he did was a horrible thing to do; considering he could probably pay for the extra costs out of his own pocket without flinching if he wanted, but he didn't do anything unlawful.

I guess this is just a learning lesson for buyers out there in these condo buying days.

Maybe it's because I love cheeseburgers just like I love Rosie. Or maybe I want to eat her.


You mean, in the Biblical sense? Slurp slurp and all that ? :nuts: :lol:

Wow, live and learn.
"it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings", I mean, move in with the fat lady.:nuts:

Rosie sings, too? And she's looking for a room mate?

^^ Lol

While standing in line late night tonight at Rabba, I couldn't help but leaf thru a new tabloid. Barbara Walters is in a cat fight with Rosie, and in a mud slinging match with the Donald!! Rosie called her an Old Prune! Babs called Donald a sad old man. Donald called Babs a liar! I mean, could this thing get any better? I had a sudden craving for Jiffy Popcorn. :cheers2:

^^ Sad old man? He seems to be having fun!

http://cdn.compuserve.com/gallery/i/t/trumpknauss/2869923.jpg

Melania is not only hot, she's hawt! I do love her blinded by the light look though - very clubby.. Reminds me of gina faces, but with a tad bit more class.

He, on the other hand, looks like he has enjoyed one too many Scotchs in his time!

Wow!! She's f@ckin' hot!!!

One thing I find funny about Melania - is that we share the same facial features:D I swear I have the same cheek thing going on - high cheekbones and strong lines.. Must be the fact that she's techincally from the ExYu too.

She has bigger boobs though, Fil!

Point taken:D I'm flat.. sorry:(

Stop kidding yourself... she probably just has a good makeup artist that follows her ass everywhere it goes. ;)

He, on the other hand, looks like he has enjoyed one too many Scotchs in his time!

That ruddy, plethoric complexion gives it away every time.
Money can't buy me love? What are people thinking? The Donald is proof that money will buy anything. Face, boobs, etc., etc.

is there going to be a restaurant or anything like that at the top of the tower?

I'm in Calgary right now and just about every developer is going back to purchasers months later asking for 50 to 100000 dollar more for their units
just another risk to associate to pre-buying in areas where developer can leaglly do it

Even if it is technically legal to do it is still pretty lame, adds to bad reputation not that Trump really cares anyways though.

ahh..fuck it..! I was going to post something about Trump, but I think my brain told my fingers to not waste energy...

Trump is a hack, nothing more than a street-tough...

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ahh..fuck it..! I was going to post something about Trump, but I think my brain told my fingers to not waste energy...

Trump is a hack, nothing more than a street-tough...

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That's true, but perhaps the North York billionaire behind the project isn't? I don't actually know. Fortunately Trump isn't really central to this thing.

I read once he inherited 1 million bucks, which is not a huge amount of money compared to some. Like him or not he did something with the million bucks and didn't just piss it away like I would have.:cheers:

He didn't just inherit a million dollars - he inherited an entire construction company. The Trump Organization was started by his father and quite successful when Trump Jr. took over.

He did a good job expanding it, but he didn't build anything from the ground up. He inherited an already successful company.

Often what happens is the first generation (The Old Man) makes the original money, and the second generation vastly expands on that fortune. Then the third generation comes along and blows it all. That happens an astounding number of times! (Eatons, Seagrams, etc..). So perhaps that walking ball of dough known as Trump's son will blow it all some day.

Often what happens is the first generation (The Old Man) makes the original money, and the second generation vastly expands on that fortune. Then the third generation comes along and blows it all. That happens an astounding number of times! (Eatons, Seagrams, etc..). So perhaps that walking ball of dough known as Trump's son will blow it all some day.

Good observation! That is so true...

is there going to be a restaurant or anything like that at the top of the tower?

Nobody seems to ever do that anymore... I guess the price commanded for a penthouse suite is more tempting. I love restaurants on top of buildings and wish they did it more often.

^^ Absolute World is doing it in Mississauga. So I guess some still do it :P

^^ Absolute World is doing it in Mississauga. So I guess some still do it :P

Really? Are you sure? I'd love to eat there!

That restaurant is ganna have great views of Toronto.

Ya from what I remember reading it will have a restaurant on the top. You're gonna make me find the article aren't you? lol.

It will have a really awesome view for sure. You'll see the Niagara Escarpment on one side. The airport on the other side. And downtown and the lake on another side.
I already have an awesome view of Toronto and i'm only on the 9th floor. Imagine the 56th floor.

^^ Absolute World is doing it in Mississauga. So I guess some still do it :P

No it isnt.

Its just a private lounge on the 50th floor with key card access.

The top floors are penthouse suites.

Rooftop restaurants have become an uncommon event.

Anyone have another pic of that.

No it isnt.

Its just a private lounge on the 50th floor with key card access.

The top floors are penthouse suites.

My bad you're right.
I guess when I read it I didn't realize it was private. That or the source I read it from was wrong. But I just went to the absolute world site and it says private lounge on the 50th floor.

Any word on the construction permits for Trump?

Often what happens is the first generation (The Old Man) makes the original money, and the second generation vastly expands on that fortune. Then the third generation comes along and blows it all. That happens an astounding number of times! (Eatons, Seagrams, etc..). So perhaps that walking ball of dough known as Trump's son will blow it all some day.

I've heard something like that before, but what I heard was that the first generation builds it, the second maintains it and the third squanders it. I heard this several years ago, but as I recall there were a whole bunch of examples that supported this.

Similar idea to what you were saying, I guess. The Bronfmans would qualify here, I think. Does David Mirvish have kids? If so, he should think about selling.

^^ LOL! And it will be hard to tell with our old friend Mr Black as he may not even get through phase two.
It has happened a great deal in North American history, but it is just a sweeping generalisation that I am sure is often wrong. I think a lot of it is the first generation is often working class, and has a strong work ethic and knows how to save money. The second generation has some of that instilled in them, and see it as their duty to maintain and expand on the family fortune. They probably listened to the old man every day and knew how hard earned it was, and maybe lived through the Depression. The third generation come along and see themselves as Landed Gentry (having forgotten that their grandfather made his money running booze to the States in the Prohibition, for example), and proceed to live a movie star existence. Bingo, Dynasty over!

My bad you're right.
I guess when I read it I didn't realize it was private. That or the source I read it from was wrong. But I just went to the absolute world site and it says private lounge on the 50th floor.

I wish it was a public lounge/restaurant. Mississauga doesnt have one yet, and it would be great if our tallest building was home to the first.

Any word on the construction permits for Trump?
Nope, but I know they hired Lewis Builds as the Construction Manager in early January.

I wish it was a public lounge/restaurant. Mississauga doesnt have one yet, and it would be great if our tallest building was home to the first.

Don't worry we'll have another taller building ;) Unfortunately it's probably going to be a Daniel's building.

caissus on urbantoronto stated that it was his understanding, that construction paperwork had been filed with the city.

the first generation builds it, the second maintains it and the third squanders

Hmm. That sounds eerily like my family. Fortunately, I believe i'm part of the third generation;)

Now here's the rub with trump toronto: by the time it's finished construction, the architecture will be so dated it will be retro cool!

It is true that nowadays people tire quickly of building styles, and five years after something is built it is obsolete. One wonders what will be the feeling about all the novelty shaped buildings going up in London, ten years from now. I think the Trump will hold up fairly well as it is not an extreme looking building.

It is true that nowadays people tire quickly of building styles, and five years after something is built it is obsolete.

Considering our overly consumerist market has every clothing and accessory style changing withing 6 months of being released (if not faster) and people redecorating their houses not by decade or longer, but in 1-2 year increments, amongst other products etc..you would have to assume that it same or similar rules apply for architecture....

The Trump building looks very much like any tower produced in 1990's architecture-conservative...kind of hard to look new when we are 3/4 of the way through the first decade of 2000.

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Considering our overly consumerist market has every clothing and accessory style changing withing 6 months of being released (if not faster) and people redecorating their houses not by decade or longer, but in 1-2 year increments, amongst other products etc..you would have to assume that it same or similar rules apply for architecture....

The Trump building looks very much like any tower produced in 1990's architecture-conservative...kind of hard to look new when we are 3/4 of the way through the first decade of 2000.

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You have hit the nail on the head, p5archit. We live in a disposible society that buys, buys, buys and throws it all away when the product comes out in a different colour. The current "flavour of the month" for architecture is novelty shapes.. dildoes, toasters, ships, walkie-talkies, and the most popular of all spiral or faux-spiral. People look at classic International style towers like Mies van der Rohe's TD Centre, and dismiss it as a Commie Block because of its "boxy" shape. I predict the world will soon tire of all the nifty novelty shapes, and there will come a time when streamlined elegance and simplicity will be back in favour. Maybe it is just me, but I think there is a certain elegance in the design of the Trump Tower, despite the fact it does not flare, twist, or do any other sorts of tricks. Also, I don't think it looks particularily like every other tower built in the 90's:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3893/trumptorontoyt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I am aware, however, that a good many people view the building as ugly.

Its merely average to me. Get rid of that stupid little point thing though, and it will be great.

Yes the rendering is sooooo ugly. But when its built..people may have a different opinion.

It's a fine building, but far from the most impressive of what Toronto is in for. Ritz, Shangri-La, Four Seasons and others all look better to me. Still, I like this one.

the renderings make it look fat, whereas the model with trump make it look a lot more sleeker and slimmer. im hoping it looks slimmer than the renderings

Shangri-La and Four Seasons will be more of the same... yawn. This Trump Tower has always looked absolutely classy to me, and something a little different, a little more conservative, traditional classy. I'm excited for it.

They're all just glass, just like everything else that's going up. If people were willing to tear down buildings such as the Temple Building and old Toronto Daily Star offices, I don't think they'll have any qualms with tearing down all these new developments in the future.

sry but I'm not aware of the situation of this tower
hasn't it been approved for a while now and still no construction?

sry but I'm not aware of the situation of this tower
hasn't it been approved for a while now and still no construction?

You might be thinking of one of the other Trump Towers around that are in construction in different cities. Go back and read some of the entries and you will bring yourself up to date.

I'm starting to lose interest in Trump. Of course I still hope it gets built but Ritz and Telus Tower appeal to me more.

^^ the ritz is far better :D

The Ritz is a great project too.. and the Four Seasons. I don't like to limit myself to liking only one project! ;)

I don't like to limit myself to liking only one project! ;)

Well lucky for you that you live in Toronto and don't have to. :)

We sometimes lose sight of the fact we are blessed with some excellent projects preparing to go up, with all the building boom going on!

Still no formal annoucement or building permit news?

^ask again in JUNE

hah yea seriously

I'm confused when is this tower going up? says that construction starts late 2005 or early 2006

When you see a crane in the sky!

I am rather pessimistic about seeing this one up anytime soon.

You aren't alone... until the antenae if firmly bolted into place on the top, there are going to be a lot of people swearing on a bible that this project will never be completed. Time will tell! :)

^^spire - an antennae would give it a height below 1000 feet

LOL! Ah well, "cheat" or "no cheat", it is a very tall building.

Well, here is an announcement and it could not be more clear about when construction will start. So, hope it clears up everyone's doubts about if or when this tower will go up.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/February2007/08/c5905.html

^Thanks TOBermuda37; I've taken the liberty of copying that link. :)

"Lewis Builds joins Trump Toronto Development Team

TORONTO, Feb. 8 /CNW/ - Talon International Development Inc. today
announced that renowned construction management firm Lewis Builds has joined
the Trump International Hotel & Tower, Toronto development team. Lewis Builds
will provide pre-construction management services for the historic Trump Tower
slated to begin construction in mid-2007.
"We are thrilled to add the expertise of Lewis Builds to our development
team," said Mr. Val Levitan, President and CEO of Talon International
Development Inc. "Their depth of technical leadership in high-rise
residential, commercial, and custom design home-building is a perfect fit for
the unique design and construction challenges our building presents."
"The greatest challenge to constructing Trump Toronto will be the
extremely tight site logistics in the densely populated Bay-Adelaide area,"
says Lewis Builds' Project Director, Mr. Mark Garland, a well known
international master of construction who has overseen construction for
projects totaling tens of millions of square feet in Canada, the United States
and New Zealand. "We feel uniquely qualified to meet such a challenge -
perhaps better than anyone in the city." Mr. Garland is also a member of the
prestigious Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat.
Mr. Garland believes Lewis Builds' full-service collaborative approach
will greatly benefit the project, "our international background in
pre-construction and hi-rise construction management, attention to the finest
detail, and our ability to anticipate and avoid problems will help to keep
this amazing building on-budget and delivered on-time in 2010."
Lewis Builds Corporation is an independently owned Canadian full-service
construction company serving the Greater Toronto Area and Canada. Managed
locally by Mr. Albert Chow, Lewis Builds is affiliated with the firm Lease
Crutcher Lewis, a 120 year old general contractor operating in the United
States. Lewis Builds offices are located in Toronto, Seattle, Tacoma and
Portland. Recent projects include: Pacific Place, Washington Mutual Tower,
Seaboard Building and the Four Seasons Hotel & Residences in Seattle; Avalon
Hotel, Spa & Condominiums in Portland; and Pure Spirit Condominiums and Yee
Hong Garden Terrace in Toronto.
Located in the heart of Toronto's financial and entertainment districts,
the $500-million Trump International Hotel & Tower, Toronto will be the
tallest residential building in the city when completed.
Remaining hotel condominium suites are currently priced from CAD $800,000
and residential suites start at CAD $1.5 million.

About the Development
Trump International Hotel & Tower, Toronto, is a joint venture between
Donald J. Trump and Talon International Development Inc. Located at the corner
of Bay and Adelaide in the heart of Toronto's financial district, the Tower
will be the tallest and most luxurious residential building in Canada.
Construction is expected to begin mid-2007. The building was designed by the
Toronto-based firm Zeidler Partnership Architects.
The Trump Organization specializes in five-star real estate development
and will operate and manage the hotel. The project will be the Trump
Organization's fourth Trump International Hotel & Tower and the first outside
the United States. Talon is a Canadian-based investment company whose
shareholders have holdings in a variety of industries ranging from natural
resources to high technology to real estate development throughout Canada, the
United States and the United Kingdom.

Detailed fact sheets and electronic images are available at
www.trumptoronto.ca




For further information: Barry Landsberg, Trump International Hotel &
Tower, Toronto, (905) 417-3507"

So like we were told before... July-ish. That is the seventh month which would be mid 2007.

Good to hear some new news.

donald will be in toronto on march 24 for his learning annex seminar.

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It should be an interesting intersection at Adelaide and Bay with the cranes for Bay-Adelaide, Trump, and possibly Richmond-Adelaide all up at the same time, with the possibility of the Sapphire as well.

The Star reported today construction starts this winter. Take that for what it's worth.

The Star reported today construction starts this winter. Take that for what it's worth.

there is less than a month left in winter.

I know, that's why it caught my eye.

there is less than a month left in winter.

This is Canada... winter can drag on for months yet! LOL! ;)

This is Canada... winter can drag on for months yet! LOL! ;)

I'm just bein technical.

OT: As for winter dragging on. It seems to be lasting longer than normal the past 5 years, but summer also seems to be lasting longer. Maybe our seasons are shifting.

I keep reading these sites. Can someone tell me what is going on? Have they not started yet?

I keep reading these sites. Can someone tell me what is going on? Have they not started yet?

If you read the past few pages, you will get your answer.

Nothing is currently happening at the site.

Meow!

lol.

OK thanks, sorry for the dumb question.

Drove by there the other day, nothing new at the site, no indication they are about to start anything.

I thought it would be cool if TTT and Chicago Spire started in the same month. Let's say June of this year. Do we have a deal?

How is Trump Chicago coming along? It was stalled last I heard.

why dont you check the thread on it, just go to construction updates and it should be there!

why dont you check the thread on it, just go to construction updates and it should be there!

I figured since we have a Chicago visitor in our thread who is interested in the Trump world that it would be easier to get a precis from him.

I figured since we have a Chicago visitor in our thread who is interested in the Trump world that it would be easier to get a precis from him.

Well I have been checking it out every now and then, the cladding is working its way up and the tower is looking quite good.

Its gotta huge base- and I wouldn't say it is going to be a nice tower, especially for Chicago- well, I could be wrong, it may turn out fine.

Speaking for TTT though. I heard the sales office changed the paper they print on.

Could that be an indication that their sales have picked up? New paper=TTT construction..

Oh golly gosh I sure hope so...

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How is Trump Chicago coming along? It was stalled last I heard.There was a period of about two weeks where we had some really cold weather. During that time, it seemed like not much happened at Trump Tower. There is another building called Modern Momentum which is also under construction, and a construction worker on site said that it was halted for two weeks because of the weather. Based upon this, Trump's slow progress was probably also because of the weather. It seems like they are trying to make up for this though. Trump's facade seems to be rising fast and another floor or two has been added. But overall, this tower has gone up relatively slow for some reason. I got to thinking how cool it would be if Chicago Spire becomes reality and TTT, Chicago Spire, and Freedom Tower are all under consruction at the same time. Future skyscraper fans will probably envy us much in that same way I envy people from the 70's.

I must say I'm a little surprised that TTT hasn't started yet. I don't see how it couldn't be a success because I figure there are plenty of people that want to live downtown.

I must say I'm a little surprised that TTT hasn't started yet. I don't see how it couldn't be a success because I figure there are plenty of people that want to live downtown.


There are. That is why there are about a katrillion new condos planned or being built, and many of them super high end. Toronto has been the hottest market on the continent for condos. Trump has had stiff competition. Plus being around 1000 feet it is a massive project. They have sold $300,000,000 and announced construction starts this summer.

^ actually its 350 million!!!

I still wish there would be a more up to date news release from them, other then Trumptoronto posting here with some info they have been mostly quiet about the status of the project.

I really look forward to Trump rising.

Trump is only one of a whole bunch of towers I'm looking forward too. And it's pretty far down my list of favourites.

Trump tower is one of my favourite projects in Toronto , i just wish if the location was not bay and adelaide ,because it cant be completely seen from toronto island , i wish if it was in simcoe place for example , what do you guys think?

Trump is only one of a whole bunch of towers I'm looking forward too. And it's pretty far down my list of favourites.

It's pretty far up on mine!! :) But man, there are so many projects going up right now that it is almost impossible to keep track of them all. Some beauties... and some so-so ones.

Trump will be in Toronto in about 2 weeks for that Learning Annex event - what are the odds that he does an "grass turning" event?

I bet he'll announce construction start date that weekend. And we'll have the winner of the Apprentice overseeing construction!

Trump will be in Toronto in about 2 weeks for that Learning Annex event - what are the odds that he does an "grass turning" event?

I bet he'll announce construction start date that weekend. And we'll have the winner of the Apprentice overseeing construction!
That sounds very probable.

i agree. it would all tie in perfectly

Trump will be in Toronto in about 2 weeks for that Learning Annex event - what are the odds that he does an "grass turning" event?

I bet he'll announce construction start date that weekend. And we'll have the winner of the Apprentice overseeing construction!

I think Stinson is also giving one of the lectures... wonder how crowded that one will be, considering all the hot water he is in...

^^ Wouldn't it be embarrassing for Stinson to lecture how to get rich, considering he filed for bankruptcy?


And I do hope Trump announces construction that weekend, with a new design for that roof!

I wonder if why the reason trump hadn't started yet is because he wants to wait until this apprentice show is over and offer the winner to do the Trump Toronto project? It could be possible, what do you think?

^^All this speculation...




..........but I guess that is the only thing going for this project..
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The Stinson lecture is the only one I would like to attend. You're not going to learn anything from Trump because he has nothing to teach, but listening to Stinson would at least be entertaining as hell.

Trump tower is one of my favourite projects in Toronto , i just wish if the location was not bay and adelaide ,because it cant be completely seen from toronto island , i wish if it was in simcoe place for example , what do you guys think?

yeah would be great if it went around university or john street, it would give the skyline a bigger effect...but those areas should somewhat fill up in the next decade with some buildings of similar height.

At the very minimum I am sure people will be asking him about the project while he is here so I am sure we will get some new information.

If you go to Forbes.com, ( I may have written the incorrect site) find the gentlemans name Schnaider under Canadian citizenship. He is responsible for Trump Toronto. Also if you read through his profile, TTT is mentioned numerous times.

^^All this speculation...




Ah yes, but speculation is our food and drink. Without that it would
be dry bread crusts and water in the Trump thread...

yeah would be great if it went around university or john street, it would give the skyline a bigger effect...but those areas should somewhat fill up in the next decade with some buildings of similar height.How about putting Trump near the CN Tower so as not to make as dominating? I don't really see Trump as being tall enough to be the centerpiece of TO's main cluster.

If you go to Forbes.com, ( I may have written the incorrect site) find the gentlemans name Schnaider under Canadian citizenship. He is responsible for Trump Toronto. Also if you read through his profile, TTT is mentioned numerous times.

... well Trump has shown that he has little regard for his employee's - firing Carolyn who was his sidekick and long time employee who we saw in the first few seasons of the Apprentice - he said that she was too focused on becoming a celebrity and not focusing on her job - whatever.

Also Trump won't care about if the winner of the series can't get the work permits for working in Canada - he'll just give them a new site. Remember - it's been a few months since the taping of the show and when the winner is announced - giving time to get paper work in place.

It's all about promotion - and if sales are poor - Trump may want to give the tower some American coverage.

How about putting Trump near the CN Tower so as not to make as dominating? I don't really see Trump as being tall enough to be the centerpiece of TO's main cluster.

Trump is most definitely going in a VERY primo part of the cluster.. really, it has
an A-1 spot. It will be going right here:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8955/mar1107viibayadelaidetrhw7.jpg

You can't get more prestigious than that..

Hey guys, sorry to drop out of sight for a while.

Just wanted to let you know that some important news is coming up in the next week about the Tower--an announcement that will put to rest the skepticism about the project status (things are good... really :).

Wouldn't surprise me since the Donald himself will be in town.

Excellent news! Thanks for telling us!

Hey guys, sorry to drop out of sight for a while.

Just wanted to let you know that some important news is coming up in the next week about the Tower--an announcement that will put to rest the skepticism about the project status (things are good... really :).

... I knew I was right!!

Now if only Richard Brandson would come to Toronto and make an annoucement that's worth listening to!

... I knew I was right!!

Now if only Richard Brandson would come to Toronto and make an annoucement that's worth listening to!


Oh god, I can't believe anyone actually even crosses the street anymore to see Branson being lowered down on a cable off the top of a building for the billionth time. It is just so old and tired by now. I think Virgin's investment in Canada will be limited to cellphones, after they nixed their airline flights here and nixed any music stores.

Hey guys, sorry to drop out of sight for a while.

Just wanted to let you know that some important news is coming up in the next week about the Tower--an announcement that will put to rest the skepticism about the project status (things are good... really :).

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Oh god, I can't believe anyone actually even crosses the street anymore to see Branson being lowered down on a cable off the top of a building for the billionth time. It is just so old and tired by now. I think Virgin's investment in Canada will be limited to cellphones, after they nixed their airline flights here and nixed any music stores.

From what I've heard, Branson can't wait to get Virgin Airlines back into YYZ.

IF trump starts i think it will likely cause a boost in the city, (mentally)

From what I've heard, Branson can't wait to get Virgin Airlines back into YYZ.

??? He yanked them out of Canada about two days after 9-11, as an excuse. Wherever did you hear he wants back in? I think his business dealings in Canada will amount to mobile phones sales and nothing else.

Hey guys, sorry to drop out of sight for a while.

Just wanted to let you know that some important news is coming up in the next week about the Tower--an announcement that will put to rest the skepticism about the project status (things are good... really :).

wow, excelent news i cant wait!
Oh and...nice to see you back:)

??? He yanked them out of Canada about two days after 9-11, as an excuse. Wherever did you hear he wants back in? I think his business dealings in Canada will amount to mobile phones sales and nothing else.
And his highly successful Virgin Festival. Which is making a HUGE return back to Toronto Islands this year. I'll be posting more about that in a few mins :P

??? He yanked them out of Canada about two days after 9-11, as an excuse. Wherever did you hear he wants back in? I think his business dealings in Canada will amount to mobile phones sales and nothing else.

There is more than enough business between LHR, LGW and YYZ. He'll be back, no British airlines have ever dissapointed us;) The reason he pulled them out was 1) 9-11 2) The aircraft he used for the route (B747-200) was being phased out, meaning less aircraft. So he concentrated on more lucrative routes. Now that the planes are here, he will most likely make a big splashy comeback.

Btw, I'm glad for Trump - I hope this thing is completely announced and ready to go in a few weeks, so that we may squash apocalyptic rumours.

We'll see. I don't think Branson will be back for either airlines or music. The profit margins in Canada are not high enough for his liking. I suppose he has a good product but I am so sick of him.

Any news TrumpToronto?

ok...well, i guess we can forget that news comming up in "the next week" or did you mean the next weak after this week as in next next week... :S

hhhmmm

ok...well, i guess we can forget that news comming up in "the next week" or did you mean the next weak after this week as in next next week... :S

hhhmmm

You can stop hopping on one leg. It looks goofy when you are stocking the RCSS shelves.

Trump will be in town this weekend so I guess we'll find out then.

In case you missed it - from Sat. Star:

Trump not afraid to take a stand

Donald Trump dismisses rumours that his luxury condominium and hotel project on Bay Street is moribund after more than two years of sales and said the tower was "doing very well."

Tony Wong
business reporter

Flamboyant celebrity billionaire Donald Trump says he hasn't been subpoenaed to appear as a witness at the trial of Conrad Black in Chicago, but would if he is asked.

The real estate mogul is expected to appear as a star witness in the trial of the embattled media baron who is charged with racketeering, wire and mail fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, racketeering and obstruction of justice.

"That's what I keep hearing, that I'm supposed to be at this thing," Trump said yesterday in a phone interview from New York. The developer was coy about exactly what he would say once on the witness stand.

"I think I'd rather save it all for the trial."

Trump also declined to answer whether he was a friend of Black, although reports indicate that he was at a controversial birthday bash for Black's wife Barbara Amiel in 2000, that allegedly cost $62,000 (U.S.). Prosecutors allege that the party, part of it paid for by Black's Hollinger media company, was an example of fraudulent use of funds. Black has denied all charges.

The star of the TV hit show The Apprentice wasn't at a loss for words however, on his upcoming Learning Annex seminar in Toronto next weekend, for which he will be paid $1.5 million.

"One and a half million, that's all they're paying, it's not much, but I'm going to give it to charity," quipped Trump in his typical over-the-top-fashion.

Trump said he expects to talk about "success. How to make money, and why some people aren't cut out to be entrepreneurs. While it's a negative thought, it's important. I've saved a lot of people grief by telling them they shouldn't be in business."

Trump is also building a luxury condominium and hotel on Bay Street, but after more than two years of sales, rumours are rampant that the project is moribund.

The developer dismissed the speculation yesterday, saying the tower was "doing very well. They just notified me recently how well it was doing. It's a really fantastic site and I'm really happy with it."

However, when asked about actual sales figures, Trump declined to answer, saying he would know better "in a few weeks." He did acknowledge that this has been the longest it's taken to sell one of his developments.

"I've got buildings going up all over the world and this is the longest I've ever been in a project."

Trump could not give a date on ground breaking, but he said he expected it to be sometime this year.

When asked whether he thought his recent nasty feud with comedian Rosie O'Donnell might have hurt his upmarket brand and sales of his luxury towers, Trump said the opposite is true.

"It was very good for my brand. She's a bully and I beat her up. It's always nice for a brand when you can beat up a bully," Trump said.

"Everyone knows she's a slob and I was the only person who fought against that big slob. She said she suffered from depression, I told her to stop looking in the mirror.

"That solved her problem overnight."

Trump's dispute with O'Donnell, a co-host on television's The View, began after he announced that Miss USA Tara Conner would keep her title despite an underage drinking incident while in New York. Trump owns the pageant.

O'Donnell had said Trump, who is twice divorced, had no right to be the "moral compass of 20-year-olds in America."

Trump also wasn't afraid to dish the dirt on Toronto developer Harry Stinson, who will also be speaking at the Learning Annex. Stinson recently started selling his luxury Sapphire Tower project in Toronto's financial district.

"I hear my competitor went bankrupt. He was talking a good game then all of a sudden he files for Chapter 11," said Trump, referring to American bankruptcy legislation.

"He was talking about how he was going to beat Trump and then he went bust. Why can't all my competitors be like that."

Stinson's company isn't bankrupt, but he recently filed for protection under the Companies' Creditors Arrangement Act at the Superior Court of Justice for another project.

This doesn't affect the Sapphire Tower.

"I find it rather ironic he's making such comments when he himself had to go that route to protect one of his own companies, which has come out stronger as a result," said Stinson.

"Maybe I should build the Rosie O'Donnell tower for people who aren't fashion models but at least know how to comb their hair."

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Ugh Trump is such a moron. I wish this tower would just die already.