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Taller, Better
August 6th, 2006, 04:26 PM
Here is a very small project I noticed on Prince Arthur Street:

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8800/july3006xbloorstprincearthuravvxivox7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The location is superb.

Taller, Better
August 8th, 2006, 06:58 AM
Another small project- The Hazelton. Done in standard "1990's Posh" style design. Dated looking and it is not even finished being built.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7282/xaug0606yorkvillevxvivhq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And, facadism at its worst. This lovely gem of a building emasculated as part of a condo project. Could they not have kept this perfectly scaled little building insitu as part of the project? Perhaps we are supposed to be grateful that they deigned to save the facade.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/238/xaug0606yorkvillevxvivv100yorkvilleus7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Anyone know what is going up here? More 90"s Posh dull red brick/white precast trim?

Dino Domingo
August 9th, 2006, 05:32 AM
:)

valantino
August 9th, 2006, 05:53 AM
Could they not have kept this perfectly scaled little building insitu as part of the project? Perhaps we are supposed to be grateful that they deigned to save the facade.

Pretty sure its being a facade sitting in the Green P parking lot for a very long time - the 'building' behind it was a temporary sales office - seeing it finally used and moved closer to street level is great news



Anyone know what is going up here? More 90"s Posh dull red brick/white precast trim?

not quite - Hariri Pontarini does not do that

taal
August 9th, 2006, 07:29 AM
No ..

http://www.hariripontarini.com/

ps

ha..... note the completion date on H20 (Spring 2005)

Taller, Better
August 9th, 2006, 08:46 AM
Pretty sure its being a facade sitting in the Green P parking lot for a very long time - the 'building' behind it was a temporary sales office - seeing it finally used and moved closer to street level is great news





not quite - Hariri Pontarini does not do that

That might very well be true about 100 being a facade before with just a sales office behind. Shame, really, as it is a gem of a building.

"not quite - Hariri Pontarini does not do that" - Well, don't want to rock any boats here, but this clearly does not look like any Hariri Pontarini structure that I have ever seen. Their work in the past has been so clean and contemporary. Have a good look at the rendering, and what has been built to date. It is, in my opinion, dangerously close to the trend of the 90's with "Posh" buildings being red brick with white trim. I just think the look is a bit "dated" in my opinion. I'll bet the interior will be quite luxe. I will wait til it is done and keep an open mind, but quite honestly I think this one differs from their past work. I wonder how much influence the owners had in the design?

myredhotcar
August 13th, 2006, 08:30 AM
omg, i actually agree with mr taller&better! scary, eh?

considering how many were born in the original mt sinai hospital, it's disgusting how insensitive greedy developers are to toronto's heritage. Compare today to the destruction of the 50s, 60s and 70s; what has changed?

The condo being built at 100 yorkville is overall another tedious beige box. (The townhomes are decent--wish the entire development had just been lowrise.) The best views in yorkville are at street level; which is why hazelton scollard etc victorians are still the best investment. But i guess ultimately, more rich ppl living in the nabe is a good thing? (Yorkville is a sad pathetic place imho so i really don't care what happens. The only reason i go there is to either look at sexy women trying on jeans at over the rainbow or to pretend i'm in montreal at that French Canadian newstand.)

valantino
August 13th, 2006, 10:14 AM
Well, don't want to rock any boats here, but this clearly does not look like any Hariri Pontarini structure that I have ever seen. Their work in the past has been so clean and contemporary. Have a good look at the rendering, and what has been built to date. It is, in my opinion, dangerously close to the trend of the 90's with "Posh" buildings being red brick with white trim. I just think the look is a bit "dated" in my opinion. I'll bet the interior will be quite luxe. I will wait til it is done and keep an open mind, but quite honestly I think this one differs from their past work. I wonder how much influence the owners had in the design?

I've seen other renderings of the project which looked more Hariri (modern -glass, steel, limestone) than Page+Steele 'posh'

omg, i actually agree with mr taller&better! scary, eh?

not if you favour the townhomes

thryve
August 13th, 2006, 05:54 PM
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7282/xaug0606yorkvillevxvivhq0.jpg

I'd like to say that although I hated it to death in renderings, up close and in real life (which is what matters), the Hazelton is looking superb!

I really like the detailed brickwork and windows... they give alot of depth...and the stepped design will add even more interest. The brick and stone gives a really substantial feeling overall.

Not everything needs to be all-out modern... I love how refreshingly 'contemporary' this one is. It doesn't even try to look like something else from 2006 :)

-thryve

Marcanadian
August 21st, 2006, 12:25 AM
Let's get back to updates.

SP!RE
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5111/sfsia1.jpg

Monty Burns
August 21st, 2006, 02:54 AM
What an awful foto. What is that long yellow brick building? I guess it is part of the harbour behind the Novotel.

valantino
August 21st, 2006, 07:39 AM
I'd say the LCBO warehouse. I do hope the office building on the north end of the site is retained when re-development of the property eventually occurs

Taller, Better
August 21st, 2006, 04:00 PM
That is a site that is ripe for redevelopment. Prime location for an ugly warehouse.

You are to blame
August 22nd, 2006, 05:33 AM
West One and N1/N2

http://www.emporis.com/files/transfer/sixwm/2006/08/480601.jpg

rbt
August 22nd, 2006, 05:59 AM
Prime location for an ugly warehouse.
I could come up with something better to put there than an ugly warehouse. :)

Jackhammer
August 22nd, 2006, 05:59 AM
SP!RE from the west.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f182/JackhammerTO/Picture017.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f182/JackhammerTO/Picture018.jpg

Marcanadian
August 29th, 2006, 03:30 AM
Looks like Spire has been topped out. :scouserd:

Ed007Toronto-Urban Toronto

http://chartattack.com/ed/IMG_7112.jpg

Canuck
August 29th, 2006, 03:48 AM
Marcanadian - please give credit for the photographer.

CrazyCanuck
August 29th, 2006, 04:08 AM
Speaking of things UT I was finally able to get back to the site today, I have no clue why but that doesn't bother me anymore as I am able to view the site.

Taller, Better
September 3rd, 2006, 06:36 AM
edit

valantino
September 3rd, 2006, 08:03 AM
^you've got to be kidding (PS I don't think that chain is 5 star)

Taller, Better
September 3rd, 2006, 08:14 AM
edit

LordMandeep
September 3rd, 2006, 06:45 PM
This picture i took from the tower 2 weeks ago just shows how dominate ROCP is. Also you can see One St Thomas and One city hall. Sorry for the glare but i couldn't figure how to get rid of it.


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/mannyisthebest/CIMG0603.jpg



Taken while on the ferry 2 weeks back. It was a nice day and just shows how cityplace is finally balancing out the skyline.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/mannyisthebest/CIMG0591.jpg

Taller, Better
September 3rd, 2006, 07:28 PM
^^^ Sometimes it helps to put your jacket around the camera when you press it close
to the glass window. This will usually prevent the glare from behind.

valantino
September 3rd, 2006, 10:38 PM
"Sometimes it helps to put your jacket around the camera when you press it close
to the glass window"

or around the fist

Taller, Better
September 3rd, 2006, 11:53 PM
^^ Just anything to block the light coming from behind the camera onto the window. That is what causes the glare in the photo.

thryve
September 4th, 2006, 02:24 PM
Someone should get some shots around Pinnacle (!), including the streetscape there, etc. It's nice- if my camera was up and running, I'd do it. I LOVE the silver pillars on the podium... very nice touch. The Pinnacle has this 'corporate' look to me, or the podium does atleast.... office building-ish.

* * * * * * * *

One City Hall (from UrbanToronto.ca). I really like the simple, contemporary look of this one, even though it's far from being flashy or standind out:


**Pics deleted upon owners request**

Where something else (Phase 2?) will be built up against it:

**Pics deleted upon owners request**

LordMandeep
September 6th, 2006, 08:52 PM
Accroding to the Condo mag both towers at the Maple leaf square are 90% sold out.
Glas will start construction in the fall.

Martinsizon
September 6th, 2006, 10:57 PM
Refusal report of M5V Live(obtained from ut) : http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/2006/agendas/committees/te/te060913/it020.pdf

I actually though it looked good.

You are to blame
September 7th, 2006, 12:46 AM
Refusal report of M5V Live(obtained from ut) : http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/2006/agendas/committees/te/te060913/it020.pdf

I actually though it looked good.

That is some sad news. I really liked that proposal.

LordMandeep
September 7th, 2006, 01:40 AM
LOTS OF UPDATES....

Watched CBC Toronto news at 6pm and there was a press coference about filmport starting construction today. We will see some news on that soon from newspapers.

A lot of buildings have been approved and refused recently

Crystal Blue-Approved
College Park 3-refused
M5V life- refused

Murano phase 3 will be 48 story 158M tower or a little higher then ROCP.
http://p083.ezboard.com/ftorontoskyscraperforumfrm4.showMessageRange?topicID=5090.topic&start=41&stop=59
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/2006/agendas/committees/te/te060913/it045.pdf

Canadian Chocho
September 7th, 2006, 02:20 AM
Damnit to hell!! I really wanted College Park 3!!! After Sapphire I feel like I got robbed from a big one (true B-A is big but I want something else, lol I'm greedy), oh well, hopefully dozens of other huge proposals will pop up and at least 1 will get approved... hopefully.

Waterloo_Guy
September 7th, 2006, 02:43 AM
Damnit to hell!! I really wanted College Park 3!!! After Sapphire I feel like I got robbed from a big one (true B-A is big but I want something else, lol I'm greedy), oh well, hopefully dozens of other huge proposals will pop up and at least 1 will get approved... hopefully.
Well it's not cancelled, the city doesn't have the authority to do that. We just have to wait and see if they can redesign it and get it past council.

billy corgan
September 7th, 2006, 02:49 AM
thryve:

Please don't use my pictures from Urban Toronto. I don't have the bandwidth to keep pictures up on both sites.

CrazyCanuck
September 7th, 2006, 03:02 AM
Sorry Billy, the problem is now fixed.

AmherstMan
September 7th, 2006, 03:05 AM
Toronto is realy booming. Get some of your developers to build some condos in downtown Buffalo. Demand is high. The designs I see are realy nice.\

Its my 500th post.

Martinsizon
September 8th, 2006, 10:57 PM
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2006/06/c3359.html : Filmport is u/c

Taller, Better
September 9th, 2006, 06:27 AM
" TFS has met the deadline stipulated under the ground lease"
They were JUST under the wire. Thank god there was an Aug 31 deadline or
we might have had another semi permanent billboard hoarding of L'Oreal ads for the
next six years.
The renderings are hideous. The second one looks like an airport hanger from 1935.

marblewonder
September 9th, 2006, 06:34 AM
Taken while on the ferry 2 weeks back. It was a nice day and just shows how cityplace is finally balancing out the skyline.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/mannyisthebest/CIMG0591.jpg
I like how city planners made it so that buildings are, instead of surrounding the CN Tower and Rogers Centre, to the east. It makes Toronto's most famous landmark stand out much more.

Taller, Better
September 9th, 2006, 07:04 AM
I like how city planners made it so that buildings are, instead of surrounding the CN Tower and Rogers Centre, to the east. It makes Toronto's most famous landmark stand out much more.


Well, the cluster of tall buildings at King and Bay is there for historical reasons, and was started long before the CN Tower or Roger's Centre came on the scene, so I don't think the city planning was done to give a visual asymmetric look to the skyline.

Canadian Chocho
September 9th, 2006, 06:11 PM
Saying all goes well, when would Cityplace be completed? 2012?

Martinsizon
September 11th, 2006, 10:21 PM
Ton of updates by cassiusa in UT: http://p083.ezboard.com/ftorontoskyscraperforumfrm4.showMessageRange?topicID=5166.topic&start=1&stop=20

Martinsizon
September 15th, 2006, 12:31 AM
Quantam Minto Midtown
update taken from its website: http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n233/Martinsizon/minto.jpg

G_DOG
October 1st, 2006, 05:24 PM
judging from new renders in saturdays post homes and stars condos ,M5Vlife
has been shortened by about 3 floors.maybe because of an omb decision as this was rejected by the city at 35 floors.

Travis007
October 7th, 2006, 12:38 AM
The Met updates

As seen from Ryerson

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC00975.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC00961.jpg

Additional pics of RoCP with Phase II rising

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC00968.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01181.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01180.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01179.jpg

Travis007
October 7th, 2006, 12:42 AM
SP!RE Updates from today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01164.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01183.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01190.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01194.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01196.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01211.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01216.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01223.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01246.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01247.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01249.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01250.jpg


Sweet car

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01251.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01253.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01254.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/DSC01256.jpg

thryve
October 13th, 2006, 02:06 AM
Awesome updates everyone

CrazyCanuck
October 14th, 2006, 02:33 AM
That sweet car is a rare Lotus Elise. You are very lucky to have seen one, they drive like a go-kart!

thryve
October 14th, 2006, 05:35 AM
I wouldn't say this for all condo projects, but the podium should be glass like the tower... doesn't look quite right to me.

The capping-off of the roof will really complete the look of the tower though, and from renderings, looks to be a very simple, but satisfying finishing touch on the tower.

I look forward to its completion now :)

ONEILLT
October 27th, 2006, 02:54 PM
Does anyone know what's going on just north of Spire on Church Street. Theres a big hole in the ground but no signage.

Waterloo_Guy
October 28th, 2006, 12:37 AM
A fun way to do updates (from flickr)

Infinity:

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/jrocinsane/oct%20update/infinity.jpg

Met and Metropolis:

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/jrocinsane/oct%20update/metreg.jpg

Zoom (wow, eh?)

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/jrocinsane/oct%20update/metbig.jpg

Martinsizon
October 28th, 2006, 01:57 AM
great pics, where is it and how did u get up there?

Martinsizon
October 29th, 2006, 03:26 AM
M5V looks shorter and slightly squished in the condoguide mag. ad

thryve
October 29th, 2006, 04:40 AM
Guys, take a look through the peepholes in the Murano site hoarding- BIG hole! It's going to really change that area when that thing's going.

The podium at The Residences of College Park looks fantabulous and there's a nice landscaped sign saying the name of the condo near the entrance. I can't wait till the sidewalk is open along the new podium there!!!

Taller, Better
October 29th, 2006, 04:56 AM
[QUOTE=thryve;10275750]Guys, take a look through the peepholes in the Murano site hoarding- BIG hole! It's going to really change that area when that thing's going.
QUOTE]


I know! I peeked and was astounded how deep it is, and they are going even deeper!

Filip
October 29th, 2006, 05:57 AM
PEEPERS!

Taller, Better
October 29th, 2006, 06:27 AM
^ Hey, thryve peeped..... I did the more respectable thing and peeked!! ;)

ONEILLT
October 29th, 2006, 04:18 PM
:carrot: :carrot: Does anyone know what's going on just north of Spire on Church Street. Theres a big hole in the ground but no signage.

Filip
October 29th, 2006, 04:22 PM
^ Hey, thryve peeped..... I did the more respectable thing and peeked!! ;)

Grr.. it does sound like Thryve.. peeping about theeheee

Waterloo_Guy
November 2nd, 2006, 08:27 AM
More updates of Met and Metropolis. Same view. From Flickr.

Day

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/jrocinsane/oct%20update/metdaysmall.jpg

Zoom

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/jrocinsane/oct%20update/metday.jpg

Night

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/jrocinsane/oct%20update/metnightsmall.jpg

Zoom

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/jrocinsane/oct%20update/metnight.jpg

Waterloo_Guy
November 8th, 2006, 07:20 AM
On UT they're saying 151 Front is close to releasing something official. I thought it might be dead, but I guess not.

It will be interesting to see it go up, it's in an odd spot. It's a perfect location for a big office tower--that area is going to be nuts!

urban 2.0
November 9th, 2006, 06:53 AM
Remember 151 front has the highest per sq ft price of any office building in Canada. Sitting on a internet backbone helps!

I bet it will be a major data centre - for like Google, Yahoo Canada and the likes - those that need close access with international web loops.

Waterloo_Guy
November 13th, 2006, 07:02 AM
Ok, as the 4th major office development to get under way downtown (assuming it does) I think 151 Front deserves it's own thread. There might already be one from before. I'll look. Too bad this forum doesn't have a search function.

Taller, Better
November 23rd, 2006, 10:13 PM
Just to give an idea how the Metropolitan condo on Carleton is changing the skyline (and blocking my view of the cluster, darnit):

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7120/nov2306metropolitanikn0.jpg

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/3446/nov2306metropolitanjw8.jpg

with the BMO tower in the background, and the setting sun reflecting off the Metropolitan project:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1402/nov2306metropolitaniilk4.jpg

ToRoNto, g-town
November 24th, 2006, 09:53 PM
impressive

valantino
November 26th, 2006, 07:15 PM
Cityplace update

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/mark3333/cityplace.jpg

Taller, Better
November 26th, 2006, 08:53 PM
Hahahaa!!:hahaha:

Filip
November 26th, 2006, 11:24 PM
Ugh.. I was NOT around back then.:P

Taller, Better
November 27th, 2006, 08:15 PM
Update on Robert Stern's One St. Thomas. Photo taken today. Looking good!

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8353/nov2706viewfromelevn211mx5.jpg

Martinsizon
November 27th, 2006, 10:32 PM
u can see rom in the background

Taller, Better
November 28th, 2006, 04:57 AM
I have to say, it is going to be one top-drawer condo. Kudos to KGB for bringing this project to my attention when it was a mere glint in the steely eye of the developers!:cheers:

cassius
November 29th, 2006, 04:12 PM
wow, that's hot! I like the way this one tapers in towards the top.

camel_trainer
November 29th, 2006, 08:16 PM
Wow. Beautiful. Better than I was expecting.

Taller, Better
November 29th, 2006, 09:01 PM
And it looks quite smart from streetlevel, too! Really does change the skyline of this part of the Bloor area.

CrazyCanuck
November 30th, 2006, 05:47 AM
wow, that's hot! I like the way this one tapers in towards the top.

Good to hear your still kickin around here Cassius.

neilio
November 30th, 2006, 09:54 AM
wow, that's hot! I like the way this one tapers in towards the top.

Cassius your here!....lol

Ya i agree, its a beautifull building.

Marcanadian
November 30th, 2006, 10:30 PM
Nice pic there Taller!

Updates from Emporis. Edward Chamberlain (1,2) Chris Jongkind (3)

RoCP Phase II - Nov. 21

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8209/france20flagnv0.jpg

Met - Nov. 21

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4526/france20flagji2.jpg

West One - Nov. 23 (Looking massive)

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7223/france20flagon6.jpg

Taller, Better
December 1st, 2006, 07:22 AM
How many floors is West One? It does look huge, and looks like it has topped off.

yin_yang
December 1st, 2006, 06:32 PM
does indeed looks massive, is the recreation club in that weird growth protruding from the side?

Waterloo_Guy
December 1st, 2006, 07:00 PM
I'm wondering if that section will have clading over the concrete, or if it will remain exposed.

yin_yang
December 1st, 2006, 07:54 PM
looks pretty good the way it is

cassius
December 2nd, 2006, 12:15 AM
Off topic:Good to hear your still kickin around here Cassius.Do you mean because of the recent server issues or because I haven't posted all that much lately?

a) I understand server problems can occassionally happen. I help run a dedicated server company.
b) Business has been pleasantly busy the past month or so - I haven't had much time to post.

Either way, I'm still kicking around here ;)

On topic:
I like that shot of The Met; it's an interesting contrast with the foreground. Once they remove the elevator from that side of the building and fill it all in with glass, I think it'll look stunning. The base of the building also looks pretty nice along Carlton and I'm hoping when they remove the scaffolding we'll get a nice surprise at ground-level. :)

CrazyCanuck
December 2nd, 2006, 05:43 AM
Choice B is what I was commenting on. I maybe thought you abandoned ship and were only exclusively posting on UT. I know that the people there bad talk forums like SSC and SSP. Some are members here but post infrequently, I think it would be cool if more people from UT gave SSC a chance. We've got a pretty good community going on here now and we are always looking for more T.O. members.

yin_yang
December 2nd, 2006, 09:26 PM
I know that the people there bad talk forums like SSC and SSP.

which is surprising because people there are pretty mature. i haven't seen it since i've been there. the only mention of us i've seen is people saying "i got this pic from SSC", so they are just mooches.

ScrapeTheSky
December 3rd, 2006, 07:18 AM
i read stuff on both SSC and UT and I don't really see why there is animosity between the two. They're similar boards and I enjoy them both. I do not consider myself particularly loyal to either. (Uh oh, signs of disloyalty, ban me! lol)


EDIT: ooh 200th post

Waterloo_Guy
December 3rd, 2006, 09:25 PM
I don't see the point in fighting between the forums, and for the most part I think it is a small hand full who get involved in this kind of thing. Me, I'm nice until I'm attacked unfairly or until another forumer is attacked unfairly.

Mauricio Canada
December 5th, 2006, 10:39 PM
Tridel Element - December 2006

http://static.flickr.com/99/315136399_b3ea3689c3.jpg?v=0


Residence Inn By Marriott

http://static.flickr.com/113/315132777_d21e57c544.jpg?v=0

http://static.flickr.com/120/315132774_dababdae55.jpg?v=0

G_DOG
December 5th, 2006, 11:49 PM
mauricio,thanks for the updates

DrJoe
December 6th, 2006, 01:09 AM
^^ Are they doing a SP!RE with those panels?

Waterloo_Guy
December 6th, 2006, 01:27 AM
Thanks, Mauricio.

Canadian Chocho
December 6th, 2006, 03:02 AM
How is ROM doing anyways?

Dino Domingo
December 6th, 2006, 06:03 AM
Where is the Residence Inn, Marriott located?

CrazyCanuck
December 6th, 2006, 06:08 AM
The facade on Marriott is lookin good, and Element is turning out to be a fine project.

thryve
December 6th, 2006, 10:31 PM
I'm a teenie bit impressed with Element :) and the Marriott is pretty good too.

neilio
December 7th, 2006, 04:36 AM
i read stuff on both SSC and UT and I don't really see why there is animosity between the two. They're similar boards and I enjoy them both. I do not consider myself particularly loyal to either. (Uh oh, signs of disloyalty, ban me! lol)


EDIT: ooh 200th post

You disloyal evil %£$%" person of evil %&"£$ (did that make any sense), the SSC police are being dispatched to your house at this very moment, bow to SSC and denounce UT now or...or...or we will all go up to our rooms and cry! and you wouldnt want that....would you?!!:banana:

taal
December 8th, 2006, 03:20 AM
Pretty random but:

When is the public park in Cityplace suppose to be constructed?

thryve
December 9th, 2006, 06:55 AM
^^ Bon question!

Waterloo_Guy
December 14th, 2006, 08:15 AM
After seeing WZ1's recent update, I realized that the Met looks exactly like the Waterclub buildings from the south.

taal
December 17th, 2006, 05:48 AM
I’ve asked a sales representative at cityPlace (reliable I know :) ) when the public park would be constructed and she said later next year.

Jaborandi
December 17th, 2006, 09:03 PM
[QUOTE=citycentre;10921972]Here's a few of ROCP and the striking Met.

Great photos. I was looking at the Met earlier today and I noted how they are facing the concrete balcony floors with the same horizontal metal banding used on the rest of the structure to define the floors - an unexpectedly nice touch.

WZ1
December 20th, 2006, 12:35 AM
here are my updates..

76 Shuter - Boutique Living - This thing has risen in like 3 months.. insane.
http://mattshaverphotography.zenfolio.com/img/p287886749-4.jpg

SPIRE has topped out
http://mattshaverphotography.zenfolio.com/img/p426487907-4.jpg

so has the MET
http://mattshaverphotography.zenfolio.com/img/p299393157-4.jpg

ROCP 1 and ROCP 2
http://mattshaverphotography.zenfolio.com/img/p162892364-4.jpg

590 Jarvis
http://mattshaverphotography.zenfolio.com/img/p524097310-4.jpg


http://mattshaverphotography.zenfolio.com/img/p26351443-4.jpg

Close up of the construction..
http://mattshaverphotography.zenfolio.com/img/p174382776-4.jpg

Radio City
http://mattshaverphotography.zenfolio.com/img/p221704915-4.jpg

Pinacle Dev
http://mattshaverphotography.zenfolio.com/img/p88388985-4.jpg

Eastside
December 20th, 2006, 05:18 AM
Great update. This shot is awesome:




http://mattshaverphotography.zenfolio.com/img/p26351443-4.jpg

Marcanadian
December 20th, 2006, 09:51 PM
Fantastic shots.

I love the one Eastside quoted, so many newly completed buildings and so many cranes! :D

thryve
December 28th, 2006, 06:32 PM
I admit, I really think Infinity is a cutie... The stumpy second tower actually turns out to be a nice big urban-looking wall on Simcoe, so that's nice. They have a cool view out from that smaller tower, too... over the park and such.

Infinity update:

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/update3.JPG

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/update5.JPG

and...

Simcoe St. extension:

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/update1.JPG

^^I can post more photos of this, but for now I thought just this one would do.

-thryve

Dino Domingo
December 29th, 2006, 03:06 AM
Great photos!!

Thank you for posting them. :)

LordMandeep
December 29th, 2006, 04:03 AM
According to my own calculations using the Condo mag as a source over 35000 condos have been sold since Jan 2005.


Also i have seen about 4 tv ads for various condos with that downtown song. Its a good song though...

ratoronto
December 29th, 2006, 10:05 PM
GREAT PHOTO UPDATES!

Waterloo_Guy
December 30th, 2006, 01:38 AM
From Flickr (resized)

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r203/jrocinsane/more%20random/337218836_0d4142c109_o.jpg

Filip
December 30th, 2006, 05:07 AM
I actually really miss the old Atrium at the Eaton Centre (the one torn down for H&M).

It had these sweet Asian looking mobiles hanging.. twas very cool.

Jaye101
December 31st, 2006, 03:42 AM
I honestly have no reconlection of the Eatons Centre's north side before the construction of H&M and Dundas Square. Pictures?

Taller, Better
December 31st, 2006, 06:16 AM
That last Flickr pic posted by Waterloo looks like a toy model set for a movie!


Regarding that condo on 76 Shuter... please tell me it is not called "Boutique Living". Is that a cruel joke? What an odious name.......

davidmillerismyboss
December 31st, 2006, 03:13 PM
That block where the gap/bill board sits is just waiting for a "facadism+glass" Aa 44 storey retail/office/hotel/condo concept. 10 more years before we see some property consolidation+5 years of proposals=2020 built! By that time of course, Metropolis will fortunately be obsolete so they can knock down the steel frame operation cheapout and erect a more suitable 33 floor apartment building catering to the (by 2025) boutique walmart on the eaton centre site.

I would actually prefer to stroll y+d in that environment than in today's.

Thankfully, as it stands today, I see the eaton centre more often online (here) than i do in real life.

But thanks for posting those pix--always nice to see the other side of life.

valantino
December 31st, 2006, 08:14 PM
Regarding that condo on 76 Shuter... please tell me it is not called "Boutique Living". Is that a cruel joke? What an odious name.......

it's called 76 Shuter - boutique living is just the pitch

Taller, Better
December 31st, 2006, 08:38 PM
it's called 76 Shuter - boutique living is just the pitch


Praise the Lord. Boutique Living makes me hurl.

KGB
December 31st, 2006, 09:04 PM
But thanks for posting those pix--always nice to see the other side of life.


Oh prey tell...just where are you slumming it these days?.

(never trust anyone who derides Yonge St)


One thing about Yonge...the players might change, but it still remains the same.






I actually really miss the old Atrium at the Eaton Centre (the one torn down for H&M).


I actually miss the ORIGIONAL configuration of the Dundas atrium....it had this cool looking purple hanging restaurant before they filled in the big opening to the lower floors.


http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7948/i0016047xj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)





KGB

thryve
December 31st, 2006, 09:08 PM
Wow it was hard on the street back in those days... big barren wall along Yonge... yuck.

And about the 76 Shuter... I think "Boutique Living" sort of creates an image of coziness or something. I dunno, I sorta like it :)

KGB
December 31st, 2006, 09:24 PM
Wow it was hard on the street back in those days... big barren wall along Yonge... yuck.


The street wall is the same as it is today...only it didn't have all that crap pasted to it like it does today. Clean lines. I really loved the origional finish on the TEC (even the Yonge facade) when it was new, before they bastardized it. They should have left it alone. I loved Zeidlers take on that industrial chic look called "Hightech" back in the 70's...It's another aestetic we will learn to regret ruining after it's too late.

At least the interior of the main galleria has more-or-less remained intact.





KGB

Jaborandi
December 31st, 2006, 10:13 PM
The street wall is the same as it is today...only it didn't have all that crap pasted to it like it does today. Clean lines. I really loved the origional finish on the TEC (even the Yonge facade) when it was new, before they bastardized it. They should have left it alone. I loved Zeidlers take on that industrial chic look called "Hightech" back in the 70's...It's another aestetic we will learn to regret ruining after it's too late.

At least the interior of the main galleria has more-or-less remained intact.





KGB


On the exterior there was a fantastic giant red neon Coca Cola sign with white neon bubbles continualy rising to the top - pure art

thryve
December 31st, 2006, 10:19 PM
The street wall is the same as it is today...


Well now they've made it into outward-facing shops that are distinctive from one another. I'm glad they updated it!

KGB
December 31st, 2006, 10:54 PM
Well now they've made it into outward-facing shops that are distinctive from one another. I'm glad they updated it!


I was speaking specifically of the Eaton store itself.

The mall's Yonge facade did not address the street, which was probably never a good idea, and was an issue from the begining. But the architectural elements were consistant. The new facade doesn't do a great job of addressing the street either, if you ask me, but the major disapointment is in the facade treatment, which does not compliment the original architecture of the building at all....besides just being really crappy not even taking that into consideration.

Cadillac Fairview used to be a developer that took architecture seriously back in the 60's and 70's...obviously that has changed over the years.





KGB

SD
January 2nd, 2007, 11:30 AM
It would've been interesting to see them incorporate more glass into the facade remake (instead of trying to make it look like a bunch of different store facades) and give people a real view into the hustle and bustle of the mall. It would've really enhanced the street too.

I have no idea if this was/is feasible though.

thryve
January 2nd, 2007, 06:15 PM
Well, as artificial as it is, I think atleast now the shops sort of mirror the old streetwall formed by shops on the other side of Yonge.

^^ But if they could use really clear glass and give a nice view in, your idea would be SO cool! Maybe above the tiny new storefronts they could have done that, all the way up to the roof. The best of both worlds. ;)

My one complaint is that the facades look too artificial. I mean, there's parts where you can see the brick stop and metal cladding be used directly behind it.. haha (Hope you know where I mean... on the tower feature part, etc.)

Oh well... the H&M addition has always looked great to me, and the turquoise glass they chose goes well with the old mustardy/golden colour of cladding in a strange, unexpected way. I could go on forever providing small details of why, but I just like what the Eaton Centre has done for the new H&M and entrance.

valantino
January 3rd, 2007, 07:18 AM
I think atleast now the shops sort of mirror the old streetwall formed by shops on the other side of Yonge.

in a cheap pre-fab concrete sort of way


agree with KBG

glass 'n steel complimentary to the original would of being the way to go - where was Foster

ScrapeTheSky
January 3rd, 2007, 07:45 AM
that pic of eaton centre doesn't look real, kgb. is it a rendering of what it was supposed to look like? regardless it looks pretty cool. i like the glass.

phunky
January 3rd, 2007, 12:01 PM
that pic of eaton centre doesn't look real, kgb. is it a rendering of what it was supposed to look like? regardless it looks pretty cool. i like the glass.

that's a real pic i believe. that's how eaton's centre used to look if i recall correctly.

Taller, Better
January 3rd, 2007, 06:05 PM
that's a real pic i believe. that's how eaton's centre used to look if i recall correctly.

I think it is a rendering, or a photo that has a bad colour rendition. The tiles were kind of yellowy in colour, not brown.

thryve
January 3rd, 2007, 09:46 PM
It's a real photo, I'm sure. Just old.

thryve
January 3rd, 2007, 10:07 PM
BTW,

1- Do we know what's up with CASA?

2- Glas was supposed to start construction this past fall? Anyone have updates? (With those renderings we saw, I'm quite excited to see the final product, even if it is a small project.)

KGB
January 4th, 2007, 06:58 AM
I think it is a rendering, or a photo that has a bad colour rendition. The tiles were kind of yellowy in colour, not brown.


That's a real photo...1977. Looks right to me, but it's taken at dusk, so it may account for a slightly darker appearance of the "tiles" on the facade.

I think to truley appreciate TEC, you had to be there when it opened...it was quite a revolutionary building at the time...quite impressive....almost an overload. Nowadays, many of its original features are common "mall" features now...and a lot of it's architecural features have been renovated and tacked-on crappy additions do not compliment the original...or have not been properly restored or maintained.

The best side of TEC is the west side, from Trinity Square.





KGB

Taller, Better
January 4th, 2007, 07:12 AM
And, it was very much a product of the times.. ( Centre Pompidou in Paris, etc....). I remember when it was built and it was considered very chic. Too bad there was so little consideration given to the opposite (East) side of Yonge Street, as it sucked the life out of that side. The interior has held up remarkably well in appearance, and yes the West side onto Trinity was handled much better and was much more welcoming.

thryve
January 4th, 2007, 09:14 AM
The interior still looks very contemporary/modern to me! :) 'Tis Nice!

davidmillerismyboss
January 4th, 2007, 10:55 AM
Even though i've heard crap (probably true) about cresford, I love casa and think it's clewe's best to date (hey can you tell from my love for spire? ha!). Love that big hat on top. Obviously x is another one i wanna see under way soon too. And glas--i almost bought a unit there; i might when it's finished (i have problems buying on plans--what if the quality is crap?)--is very lovely (i like the fact it actually has a view of those nice old buildings on adelaide/charlotte rather than chityplace (lol); the only con is squeaky-the-streetcar turns would keep me awake all night!

Any news/pictures of those other chic lamb houses: glasshouse, east etc?

Wonder how well sales are going for that colourful will alsop townhouse in liberty village. that's more my style! (Except floorplans were crap.)

Finally, one more nagging question from my favourite developer: what is context gonna launch next for a mainstream audience?

Insiders, do tell.

thanks.

Filip
January 5th, 2007, 08:18 AM
Hah.. I remember Eaton's fondly (the old one pre-PoMo addon crap)
It had this huge steel white thing on the Yonge st. facade. Pure modernism, I loved it - kinda had this Centre Pompidou vibe as TB mentioned.

I knew about the Eaton centre years before I came to Toronto. As a kid in Geneva I got a gift from my mom (when I was about 4) which was a truck with Eaton's written on it.. I kept pronouncing it the French way so Eh-ah-ton and finally when I came to Toronto in 1996 I knew exactly what Eaton's was!:D I thought the Eaton's centre was this huge warehouse thing in the suburbs for some reason.. weird.

valantino
January 5th, 2007, 08:28 AM
Wonder how well sales are going for that colourful will alsop townhouse in liberty village

it's well into construction so sales are no longer that important

I wonder if Harhay Construction has maybe hit a snag in the road with both East and Glas well behind their semi-confirmed start dates

Finally, one more nagging question from my favourite developer: what is context gonna launch next for a mainstream audience?

probably a re-launch of the 'gay' condo on King east that apparently didn't sell

thryve
January 6th, 2007, 08:59 PM
I must be really out of the loop... according to the West Harbour City website, (it has 3D video tours on it) that old building on the corner of Fleet and Bathurst Streets is to become a Real Canadian Superstore. Also, Fleet Street is going to have redone, wide sidewalks with greenery, to try to make it into an attractive boulevard.

Just something I heard and felt like posting. It's interesting to watch big superstores/supermarkets/hardware stores enter the core of the city like this, with all the new populations causing demand down here. It also interests me that not only are Loblaws developing one old building (Maple Leaf Gardens) but this building too!

Tuscani01
January 7th, 2007, 01:40 AM
I must be really out of the loop... according to the West Harbour City website, (it has 3D video tours on it) that old building on the corner of Fleet and Bathurst Streets is to become a Real Canadian Superstore. Also, Fleet Street is going to have redone, wide sidewalks with greenery, to try to make it into an attractive boulevard.

Just something I heard and felt like posting. It's interesting to watch big superstores/supermarkets/hardware stores enter the core of the city like this, with all the new populations causing demand down here. It also interests me that not only are Loblaws developing one old building (Maple Leaf Gardens) but this building too!

Hey, as long as parking is underground, and people can walk to it... lets keep them coming. I still hate the idea of turning MLG into a Loblaws though. It makes me sad just thinking about it.

thryve
January 7th, 2007, 02:21 AM
^^ Well it's either going to be a supermarket OR... fall into disrepair.

Take your pick ;) I really appreciate Loblaws as a company... their marketing, their food, their quality as a company in general. I think they'll do a good job with these projects.

I really do hope they leave the Fleet+Bathurst store intact though. I am going to search for some planning documents right now. I love that warehouse building, and I am actually excited about the idea of it reincarnated as a supermarket.

phunky
January 7th, 2007, 05:31 AM
Hey, as long as parking is underground, and people can walk to it... lets keep them coming. I still hate the idea of turning MLG into a Loblaws though. It makes me sad just thinking about it.

me also. i would much rather see something else happen with it :(
a hotel would be kinda cool. or some type of entertainment facility.

valantino
January 7th, 2007, 10:12 PM
I must be really out of the loop

there have been a number of threads on the subject ;)

thryve
January 7th, 2007, 10:17 PM
^^ Yeah... I just glanced at them.

zabrocki
January 9th, 2007, 10:16 PM
here are my updates..

76 Shuter - Boutique Living - This thing has risen in like 3 months.. insane.


Do you want to see it rise? I could barely keep up with the construction. I stopped taking pictures at the beginning of Dec, 2006.

http://garsia.math.yorku.ca/~zabrocki/pics/76shuterbig.mp4

Sorry if a number of frames are out of whack, but this was just an experiment.

neilio
January 11th, 2007, 10:43 AM
^^ Well it's either going to be a supermarket OR... fall into disrepair.

Take your pick ;) I really appreciate Loblaws as a company... their marketing, their food, their quality as a company in general. I think they'll do a good job with these projects.

I really do hope they leave the Fleet+Bathurst store intact though. I am going to search for some planning documents right now. I love that warehouse building, and I am actually excited about the idea of it reincarnated as a supermarket.

Woot loblaws! lol, I work at the Real Canadian Superstore in North York on steels/dufferin, dont i feel special!

InTheBeach
January 12th, 2007, 03:09 AM
Woot loblaws! lol, I work at the Real Canadian Superstore in North York on steels/dufferin, dont i feel special!

I would rather be running fishing charters in Wiarton.

neilio
January 12th, 2007, 06:52 AM
I would rather be running fishing charters in Wiarton.

lmao, hey its not that bad..sorta lol. And fishing is a thing of the past for Wiarton, now we have Wiarton Willie!!! (gloriouse music inserted here). He is our economy lmao.

Spoonman
January 16th, 2007, 12:38 AM
I'm really enjoying the massing and setbacks on 1 St. Thomas as the top is starting to wrap up; it's hardly the tallest building around, but its proportions are soaring and graceful. I still have my reservations about the pale pre-cast exterior, but I'm hoping it'll darken slightly with age.

current
January 17th, 2007, 06:02 AM
On the last page of the Condo Guide there is a Cresford ad saying CASA and MODE will both start construction spring 2007.

On page 112 in the "Previews" section Condo Guide says there will be a new condo called "Bliss" in Liberty Village by CanAlfa and a new condo called "Panorama" at Front and Spadina by Concord Adex.

phunky
January 17th, 2007, 06:55 AM
Front and Spadina? That's where Signature is going...

circuitboy84
January 17th, 2007, 07:13 AM
Front and Spadina? That's where Signature is going...

Signature is going in the parcel of land bordered by Blue Jays Way to the North, Bremner to the south, Navy Wharf Court, to the East, and Spadina to the West.

Waterloo_Guy
January 17th, 2007, 07:35 AM
Front and Spadina. That makes more sense!

phunky
January 17th, 2007, 10:07 AM
Signature is going in the parcel of land bordered by Blue Jays Way to the North, Bremner to the south, Navy Wharf Court, to the East, and Spadina to the West.
that seems like an awfully small piece of land to put signature when there is already an existing building there as well.
so which corner will panorama be on? the southwest corner of spadina/front?

Waterloo_Guy
January 17th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Can someone post a pic of the Signature site. I can't place that location in my head.

Mike in TO
January 17th, 2007, 06:13 PM
Signature is located on the site of the presentation centre (NE corner of Spadina and Bremner).

Panorama is located off the main site. The tower will be on Lakeshore Road south of the Gardiner Expressway just east of Bathurst.

phunky
January 18th, 2007, 03:41 AM
Can someone post a pic of the Signature site. I can't place that location in my head.

http://maps.live.com/?v=2&cid=F8264F8915B9B95C!1690

Waterloo_Guy
January 18th, 2007, 09:30 PM
Thanks, Phunky.

phunky
January 19th, 2007, 01:41 AM
^^ no prob!

Jaborandi
January 21st, 2007, 08:12 PM
I just noticed that the construction hoarding is being erected around the sales centre for Crystal Blu. That was quick.

thryve
January 21st, 2007, 08:23 PM
Someone should post some updates from CityPlace... maybe some shots from Spadina, or a look at the townhouses on the other side of the towers?

I'm too lazy to go over there :P

ratoronto
January 22nd, 2007, 06:30 PM
We should have a thread for London on the Esplanade. . . the crane is up, the foundation/ garage hole is bottomed out, it's all up from here...

Dino Domingo
January 22nd, 2007, 07:13 PM
I just noticed that the construction hoarding is being erected around the sales centre for Crystal Blu. That was quick.

I saw a sign that said "Construction Starting" over the weekend too. It's great for Blu, but The Uptown, next door, started sales earlier but still hasn't sold enough to begin building. I hope they do soon, cuz I like the design and height of Uptown better than Blu.

Taller, Better
January 22nd, 2007, 07:43 PM
We should have a thread for London on the Esplanade. . . the crane is up, the foundation/ garage hole is bottomed out, it's all up from here...


Has anyone seen a proposed rendering of this project? I hate the pretentious name, but would like to see what it is supposed to look like.

Jaye101
January 22nd, 2007, 09:25 PM
http://usera.imagecave.com/Jaye/LondonOnTheEsplanade.JPG
London on the Esplanade

Taller, Better
January 22nd, 2007, 09:37 PM
^^^ Thanks Jaye!

Waterloo_Guy
January 23rd, 2007, 01:23 AM
Another rendering that looks nothing like the neighborhood in question. I think the problem on this forum is that there is so much going on, we forget about little projects like this one.

Taller, Better
January 23rd, 2007, 01:27 AM
Yes, they have managed to make the Esplanade look like North York! That is precisely
what I thought when I looked at the rendering.

thryve
January 23rd, 2007, 01:39 AM
I love how we've just ignored the London condos LOL... That's definitely one of the more forgotten projects for me. There's just so much going on! Bask in it while you can, everyone!

CrazyCanuck
January 23rd, 2007, 01:41 AM
Yes, they have managed to make the Esplanade look like North York! That is precisely
what I thought when I looked at the rendering.

Heck, even North York is better than that. That looks like Pickering or something. I could probably do updates on this one as i'm in the area a lot.

monkeyronin
January 23rd, 2007, 01:54 AM
I love how we've just ignored the London condos LOL...

Perhaps because its so ugly?

KGB
January 23rd, 2007, 02:50 AM
The towers for London certainly don't look too creative at all. But the streetwall portion of the project looks promising, which I think is more important along that stretch of the Esplanade. We need that parking lot filled just west of it though...I thought there was something planned for it a while ago...as in a developer had purchased it?





KGB

Jaye101
January 23rd, 2007, 04:15 AM
Is Hudson complete? I wanna update the thread title. I did earlier but I wasn't sure about it.

nitzomoe
January 23rd, 2007, 04:19 AM
is this the one near the spaghetti factory?

Taller, Better
January 23rd, 2007, 04:23 AM
^^ jas.

phunky
January 23rd, 2007, 07:00 AM
i think we should just have a thread for each building rather than a thread like this where it all gets a bit confusing.

davidmillerismyboss
January 23rd, 2007, 04:32 PM
I suppose they named it after london ontario lol! Looks like it belongs in london ontario too. Not bad, not certain about the context but i don't live there so who cares!

speaking of updates, why no posts of north toronto condos--st clair, eglinton (excluding minto) etc. Or mosaic, and other midrises? (btw, if i become rich someday i'll get a digital cam and post tons of pix here. Pray for me lol.)

salvius
January 23rd, 2007, 07:17 PM
Speaking of Esplanade, are we going to always have to look at that incredibly ugly parking lot etched into that building? Anyone know what I'm talking about? Of course TOBuilt goes down when I need it.

SD
January 23rd, 2007, 07:34 PM
Not bad, not certain about the context but i don't live there so who cares!


That's quite an elitest attitude you have there.

salvius
January 24th, 2007, 02:08 AM
This is what I was talking about:

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8342/55theesplanade14gn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As long as this is how it is on the Esplanade, there's no hope for the street.

thryve
January 24th, 2007, 02:54 AM
Yeah, it's strange that parking lot is still there... wonder if we'll see a condo put there before too long. Of all streets, the little Esplanade deserves better than that.

Ed007Toronto
January 24th, 2007, 07:44 PM
As long as this is how it is on the Esplanade, there's no hope for the street.

Once the surface lot is developed you'll barely see that building.

Taller, Better
January 24th, 2007, 07:46 PM
True! Hopefully won't be able to see it at all...

ratoronto
January 24th, 2007, 08:57 PM
The Esplanade in the St. Lawrence area is one of the nicest streets in the city... the old buildings and architecture reminds me of Italy (Esplanade triangle condo, Novotel's arches, Bier Market/Irish pub, etc). Perhaps one of the most European areas in Toronto. Two more parking lots with a sound architectual sense of the historic neighbourhood will do wonders for The Esplanade.

thryve
January 24th, 2007, 09:01 PM
Yeah, it is a very nice street, almost quaint.

InTheBeach
January 25th, 2007, 04:55 AM
I'm a big fan of the co-ops and David Crombie Park along the Esplanade. This is a great example of urban planning. And when you consider the demographic diversity of the area...wow! This sort of integration is what we are, or should be, striving for (not saying that it needs to take the same form, but the mix is what we want).

thryve
January 25th, 2007, 06:18 AM
The St. Lawrence neighbourhood is really underrated... it's a really great physical embodiment or microcosm of what Canada stands for, and it's strangely nostalgic to me as I first remember how Toronto struck me. It's a pretty special place down there!

KGB
January 25th, 2007, 08:03 AM
You really have to wonder how such a fairly old brownfield redevelopment, as St Lawrence is by now, has not had a bigger influence on other redevelopments in the city. I think it has had a bigger influence on other cities around the world than it has had on Toronto, given the fact that St Lawrence is on every city planners itinerary of "must see" places.

The Esplanade was nothing more than a derelect industrial area before it was developed....yet people are refering to it as "european". We don't hear anybody saying that about Cityplace. Although that isn't fair, as St Lawrence actually had an existing old part of the city right beside it to seamlessly intigrate into.

But still, it could have become just another highrise development out of context to its surroundings like so many others...but it didn't. I guess that's why we had such enthusiasm for Miller...he seemed to emulate all the good things of the 70's reform council.





KGB

davidmillerismyboss
January 25th, 2007, 04:24 PM
Now admittedly i rarely walk through st lawrence neighbourhood (maybe only twice in decades of toronto living) but really what's so special about it? I see cheap 80's architecture in decay, a sort of denser subdivision that doesn't really fit in with the rest of downtown east. To avoid being bashed here, I promise i'm intrigued enough to stroll through the nabe this weekend. I will post my honest opinions on the place then.

Filip
January 25th, 2007, 05:14 PM
That parking lot/area is screaming for some faux historicism midrise.. It'd look amazing, if done correctly. I believe the arches building (Novotel?) and obviously the gigantic flatiron were built a bit over a decade ago.

Taller, Better
January 25th, 2007, 10:00 PM
Now admittedly i rarely walk through st lawrence neighbourhood (maybe only twice in decades of toronto living) but really what's so special about it? I see cheap 80's architecture in decay, a sort of denser subdivision that doesn't really fit in with the rest of downtown east. To avoid being bashed here, I promise i'm intrigued enough to stroll through the nabe this weekend. I will post my honest opinions on the place then.


Wow, that would be really amazing if you could spare some time to actually mingle with the little people in our sad little downtown. If I see your little red car I will wave a big HELLO to you!! :wave:

KGB
January 26th, 2007, 01:35 AM
What's good about St Lawrence goes far beyond just the aestethic.





KGB

CrazyCanuck
January 26th, 2007, 02:30 AM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/128/368206738_c313ddb90a.jpg?v=1169675159
Charles Bodi

yyzer
January 26th, 2007, 02:41 AM
St. Lawrence neighbourhood may just be the best thing that happened downtown, in the last 40 years or so, imho..

Just wondering why no-one has attempted anything similar anywhere else. Midrise communities just seem to work better than /any/ highrise community. The Europeans had it right.

davidmillerismyboss
January 26th, 2007, 04:40 PM
What's with the ref to a red car? I don't own a car. I'm a poor writer remember?

InTheBeach
January 26th, 2007, 05:00 PM
What's with the ref to a red car? I don't own a car. I'm a poor writer remember?

Poor writers live in places like St. Lawrence, and love it.

InTheBeach
January 26th, 2007, 05:04 PM
St. Lawrence neighbourhood may just be the best thing that happened downtown, in the last 40 years or so, imho..

Just wondering why no-one has attempted anything similar anywhere else. Midrise communities just seem to work better than /any/ highrise community. The Europeans had it right.


Developers are not interested co-ops (not the best ROI), and the various levels of government have been out of housing for about 20 years.

But we will se more of this.

Taller, Better
January 26th, 2007, 06:29 PM
Poor writers live in places like St. Lawrence, and love it.

I actually admire journalists who recognise they are poor writers. I have personally known some who have gone for remedial courses at George Brown, or somewhere, to raise their standards... it is a dog eat dog business and they need every advantage they can get. :okay:

Waterloo_Guy
January 26th, 2007, 11:22 PM
I really like that picture.

ScrapeTheSky
January 27th, 2007, 03:33 AM
What's with the ref to a red car? I don't own a car. I'm a poor writer remember?

The comment about the red car is in reference to a banned member going by the name of "myredhotcar" or something like that, who may also have been "torontolover" or "torontolover2" or whatever his name was. I guess we can add "davidmillerismyboss" to the list of who was banned. I wonder if they were all the same person??? Is there even any question about it?

G_DOG
January 27th, 2007, 04:18 AM
why was dmb banned?

thryve
January 27th, 2007, 06:13 AM
^^ I'm not completely sure. However, he always seemed to think that he is a visionary and that nobody else on SSC is.... he would use every development thread to share his visions of how he sees it being, if endless resources were available to make it happen. I mean, c'mon, we all have visions here @ SSC, we ARE urban visionaries, or atleast alot of us... but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to post ennndlessss posts about "how it should be".

Jaye101
January 27th, 2007, 06:17 AM
why was dmb banned?

Registration date the same as the day MyRedHotCar was banned, ip adress is from the same location as MRHC, causing problems was another similarity... Therefore I banned him. Re-registering troll.

G_DOG
January 27th, 2007, 06:19 PM
good catch ^but he seemed to be more smarter this time around,red hot was just dumb .

Jaborandi
January 28th, 2007, 09:19 PM
I went for a bit of a nosy along College today to check out Europa. Oh my! Just when we thought Toronto was taking some tentative steps in the right direction regarding design, we seem to have taken a giant leap backwards. The developer/architect appears to have drawn on the very worst elements of 70's brutalism and 80's mediocraty and combined them in a sort of dog's breakfast. Other than the very welcome added density along College, I could see nothing else to recommend this structure. Well, maybe I could recommend it for a well deserved Pugly nomination. Of course, perhaps I am being a bit premature in my judgement. Perhaps the developer is planning to plant ivy around the building - lots and lots and lots of ivy...sigh

Taller, Better
January 29th, 2007, 12:18 AM
That is a huge disappointment for that prime area. I vaguely remember seeing some advertising with an initial rendering, but it was a long time ago. Anyone got a copy of that render, or a photo of the building?

taal
January 29th, 2007, 01:48 AM
Have a look for yourself:

http://www.europacondos.com/

Jaborandi
January 29th, 2007, 02:05 AM
[QUOTE=taal;11523802]Have a look for yourself:

oops, I guess someone forgot to show the builders what it is supposed to look like!

Waterloo_Guy
January 29th, 2007, 02:21 AM
That render looks great. What does the real one look like?

taal
January 29th, 2007, 02:40 AM
Fits the area well actually

Jaborandi
January 29th, 2007, 02:42 AM
That render looks great. What does the real one look like?

Not quite so golden as the rendering. I agree that the rendring looks okay but as we all know, the reality can often be a tad different. I may be very wrong but I think the fenestraion was smoked glass and the penthouse looked like it had landed from another and less sympathetic era. It was an altogether disappointing vision - certainly not an improvement on what it replaced except for the density.

TORONTOCOPENHAGEN
January 29th, 2007, 06:36 AM
That's more like it :-)

valantino
January 29th, 2007, 08:26 PM
don't quite understand all the fuss concerning Europa. It's a pretty common brand of modernism in Toronto (Hazelton Hotel, King George Square) and very much a product of its time (Brutalism/80s it is not)

The building it replaces was nothing special either (as I remember it) but shouldn't of been demolished in light of its history as Ryerson's first real home

Jaborandi
January 30th, 2007, 03:34 AM
[QUOTE=valantino;11535601]don't quite understand all the fuss concerning Europa. It's a pretty common brand of modernism in Toronto (Hazelton Hotel, King George Square) and very much a product of its time (Brutalism/80s it is not)

Europa and it's ilk have nought to do with modernism - quite the opposite in fact.

valantino
January 30th, 2007, 04:03 AM
Europa and it's ilk have nought to do with modernism - quite the opposite in fact.

Well they aren't classical ;)

camel_trainer
January 30th, 2007, 05:44 PM
Since we're already into this debate:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2414/europayp5.gif (http://imageshack.us)


I don't really know how to label this one. I don't dislike it, but I don't love it either. Not sure what to think.

KGB
January 31st, 2007, 01:12 AM
Yea...I have to say...this is not registering as either good or bad...just kind of benign. Which is not a bad thing...sometimes just fitting in without being very noticeable is every bit as noble as being gregarious. And to be honest, this section of College is probably better off just having consistancy more than impressive buildings...and this project performs that duty fairly well.

Overall I have to give it the thumbs up.....I guess.





KGB

SD
January 31st, 2007, 11:34 AM
I prefer the original building they tore down.

Taller, Better
January 31st, 2007, 05:40 PM
I prefer the original building they tore down.


Does anyone have a pic of it? I'd love to see it.

salvius
January 31st, 2007, 05:55 PM
Why is anything even being torn down in college which still has enough parking spots left as to make me furious?

valantino
January 31st, 2007, 10:48 PM
what parking lots?

can only think of one or two of an adequate size for this type of proposal

Martinsizon
February 3rd, 2007, 05:48 PM
Six-tower plan to go in Scarborough
TheStar.com - Athome - Six-tower plan to go in Scarborough
February 03, 2007
Theresa Boyle
Real Estate Reporter


The Canderel Group of Companies has sold a large tract of land in Scarborough to Tridel, paving the way for a new condo development there.

Canderel has announced that it has unloaded the Toronto Sufferance Truck Terminal, which it had acquired in 1988, in partnership with a client of Aurion Capital Management in 1998.

The 6.8-hectare site, located north of Highway 401 and Kennedy Rd., has already been rezoned to allow for 2,100 residential condominium units, and up to 450,000 square feet of commercial space.

Tridel vice-president Jim Ritchie says his firm has plans for up to six condo towers there, one office building, some townhomes and some retail. It will transform what is now "not a very pretty piece of property," he says.

Tridel plans to make the project environmentally friendly.

"This was a one-of-a-kind land development opportunity in Toronto," said Richard Diamond, senior vice-president of Canderel.

nitzomoe
February 3rd, 2007, 11:24 PM
too bad its not closer to stc. btw does anyone noe what they've planning to do with the land on progress and brimley (the field)?

Waterloo_Guy
February 4th, 2007, 12:51 AM
How close is it to STC?

Jaye101
February 4th, 2007, 07:19 AM
Uhhh... about 2km--from McCowan to Kennedy along the 401.

Waterloo_Guy
February 4th, 2007, 07:37 AM
Oh, so it's kind of on it's own out there.

Jaye101
February 4th, 2007, 08:20 AM
Uhhh not really.. It's in Agincourt.

nitzomoe
February 4th, 2007, 04:59 PM
at least its close to all the development at kennedy and sheppard.

Filip
February 5th, 2007, 02:58 AM
They're furiously digging at the Ritz site. I've never seen that much excavation happen in ONE week.

taal
February 5th, 2007, 03:51 AM
I thought someone mentioned there would be some lighting effect on the roof of ROCP

phunky
February 5th, 2007, 12:01 PM
I thought someone mentioned there would be some lighting effect on the roof of ROCP

the building is not finished yet. maybe the actual structure is, but the internal stuff is still being done.

circuitboy84
February 7th, 2007, 04:29 AM
the building is not finished yet. maybe the actual structure is, but the internal stuff is still being done.

Thats correct - from the amount of lights on in the building it seems as though occupancy is about halfway up the tower. Can anyone confirm this?

InTheBeach
February 7th, 2007, 04:41 AM
Thats correct - from the amount of lights on in the building it seems as though occupancy is about halfway up the tower. Can anyone confirm this?

CONFIRMED.

Taller, Better
February 7th, 2007, 06:20 AM
Defirmed. My friend's friend has been living on the 50th floor since December. With electricity and lights.
I have been invited over to take photos. Of the view, that is.... not the friend's friend.

Waterloo_Guy
February 7th, 2007, 07:54 AM
TB, you now have a sacred responsibility. I can't wait for these pics.

Taller, Better
February 7th, 2007, 05:42 PM
I'm still learning all about my new camera before I take the Nestea plunge.

TOfan696
February 7th, 2007, 11:03 PM
someone should render in the ritz, bay adeladie, and rbc towers into this pic

InTheBeach
February 8th, 2007, 12:09 AM
Defirmed. My friend's friend has been living on the 50th floor since December. With electricity and lights.
I have been invited over to take photos. Of the view, that is.... not the friend's friend.

CONFIRMED.

Jaye101
February 8th, 2007, 01:20 AM
Wait, now I'm confused. Are you confirming Taller, Better's defirmation, or are you going against what he is saying?

Waterloo_Guy
February 8th, 2007, 02:41 AM
Ya, that confused me too.

InTheBeach
February 8th, 2007, 03:46 AM
Yes.

Waterloo_Guy
February 8th, 2007, 04:38 AM
lol.

Taller, Better
February 8th, 2007, 07:11 AM
:lol: I'd rather be defirmed than deformed... Well, someone should find out for sure, and if there are no other people living in the top half of the building, I had better get on the phone to my friend's friends and tell them to get the hell out of that building! They should wait their turn like everyone else! :cheers:

G_DOG
February 8th, 2007, 02:45 PM
325 front st west(the parking lot west of element)is for sale for 21 mill.bidding ends on the 15th of this month.i think we could see a proposal next year.maybe a w ?

DrT
February 8th, 2007, 03:15 PM
:lol: I'd rather be defirmed than deformed... Well, someone should find out for sure, and if there are no other people living in the top half of the building, I had better get on the phone to my friend's friends and tell them to get the hell out of that building! They should wait their turn like everyone else! :cheers:

T,B --- you are confirmed and we're glad not defirmed or deformed.
I'd love to see a pic looking down on RoCPII from the top of RoCPI when you get your new camera fired up. That would be a new angle for a construction pic.:)

Waterloo_Guy
February 10th, 2007, 02:31 AM
55 Mill: 40s (433ft) and 48s (509ft). This will change the feel of the Distillery if approved.

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2007/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-1214.pdf

humanscale
February 10th, 2007, 05:05 AM
those towers appear very generic, but it is hard to tell.

Canuck
February 10th, 2007, 06:06 AM
Notice the balconies are not even, and sort of have an 'Absolute'-bend to them.

Taller, Better
February 10th, 2007, 06:30 AM
I would have started a thread on it, if I could have found a copy of the rendering, but has anyone seen 77 Charles West yet? It is a gorgeous little 16 storey gem just down from the Windsor Arms, and I guess just tight around the corner from 1 St Thomas. There is a very smart full page rendering of it in today's (Friday) Globe and Mail Real Estate section. They did a Winter rendering (complete with Christmas lights and icicles), which I have never in my life seen before, and it looks charming and a perfect height for that little side street. Architect: HOK's Yann Weymouth, AIA who was the Chief Design Architect for I.M. Pei's Grand Louvre Museum in Paris.Sorry I don't have the rendering to pass on, but I'll bet one of you clever types can fish it out. That little side street is becoming pretty luxe..., and I have to say the new extension of "Yorkville" to the south (as far as Charles) is coming along very nicely. Blu, Uptown as well.

Waterloo_Guy
February 10th, 2007, 06:31 AM
I'm all for building tall in this area, so long as they don't build cheap.

Waterloo_Guy
February 10th, 2007, 06:34 AM
I would have started a thread on it, if I could have found a copy of the rendering, but has anyone seen 77 Charles West yet? It is a gorgeous little 16 storey gem just down from the Windsor Arms, and I guess just tight around the corner from 1 St Thomas. There is a very smart full page rendering of it in today's (Friday) Globe and Mail Real Estate section. They did a Winter rendering (complete with Christmas lights and icicles), which I have never in my life seen before, and it looks charming and a perfect height for that little side street. Architect: HOK's Yann Weymouth, AIA who was the Chief Design Architect for I.M. Pei's Grand Louvre Museum in Paris.Sorry I don't have the rendering to pass on, but I'll bet one of you clever types can fish it out. That little side street is becoming pretty luxe..., and I have to say the new extension of "Yorkville" to the south (as far as Charles) is coming along very nicely. Blu, Uptown as well.

I'd like to see more on this development. These smaller ones often don't get our attention with all the big projects going on, yet these smaller projects are often the real gems.

Taller, Better
February 10th, 2007, 06:39 AM
Maybe I just got sucked in by the A-1 first class rendering in today's Globe, but it looks superb to me, and blessedly no fake twisty cap/hat on top...Very sculptural. I love that little street, and have taken many pics looking toward Bloor ( right at Zara). I am sure someone has a copy of this rendering. 16 storeys, 50 suites starting at 1.2 million.

Plus, has anyone a good rendering of that 9T6 condo being advertised everywhere? I rode a bike past the location this summer, and remembered the condo as looking nice...

circuitboy84
February 10th, 2007, 08:07 PM
Just some pictures of the excavation and crane at London on the Esplanade.
Its going to be a very interesting view looking east on Front Street.
You can see the crane off in the distance right now. Will post pictures one day.
Its just too bloody cold & windy to be walking around downtown for hours on end.

http://www.mossproductions.ca/urbantoronto/london1.JPG
http://www.mossproductions.ca/urbantoronto/london2.JPG
http://www.mossproductions.ca/urbantoronto/towers.JPG

Martinsizon
February 13th, 2007, 03:54 AM
Massive update here:http://p083.ezboard.com/Big-giant-update-Mosaic-MLS-Telus-RBC-Ritz-BA--more/ftorontoskyscraperforumfrm4.showMessage?topicID=5379.topic