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A Lebanese Armenian student carries a placard as others wave Lebanese flags during a demonstration against the participation of the Turkish troops in the peacekeeping force in Lebanon, in front of the United Nations House in Beirut, Lebanon, Thursday, Aug. 31, 2006. US, EU and Israel pressed for peacekeepers from Turkey, the only Muslim member of NATO, and a country with close ties to Israel and Arab countries. The large Armenian population in Lebanon has loudly protested Turkish involvement. Armenians say up to 1.5 million Armenians died or were killed over several years during World War I as part of a genocidal campaign to force them out of eastern Turkey. Arabic writing on banners, top right, reads 'Zionist racism=Turanic racism=Crimes against Humanity.' Turanism is a political movement that forms an important aspect of the ideology of the Turkish Nationalist Movement Party. (AP Photo/Mahmoud Tawil)


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nope.but not because those armenians but Turks don't wan't to

No...cuz Turkey is the last country that comes to my mind if we think about 'peacekeeping' LOL

I'm not the right person to answer, but this conspiracy trend is getting really annoying. The turkish soldiers have nothing to do with the genocide anyways.. With this kind of logic there should be no german soldiers either, what a stupidity.

the difference is that Germany has accepted full responsability for the hollocaust, while Turkey is in total denial and is censoring all those who might want to say the opposite.

lebanon is a free country,those pple don't want turkish peacekeeping force,and they are protesting to show this.what's the big deal??????????
and i totally support them.

the difference is that Germany has accepted full responsability for the hollocaust, while Turkey is in total denial and is censoring all those who might want to say the opposite.

Thats true, but i still dont think that the soldiers have anything to do with this. (once again, im not the one who should be asked, its just an opinion from an outsider)

What complete and utter rubbish and bull - Turkey is a perfect country to send troops to Lebanon.

Turkey has good and warm relations with both Israel and the Arab states. Lebanon and Israel both have governments that support and trust Turkey.Turkey has a long history of supporting dialogue between East and West so Turkish peacemakers make sense.

If Turkish peacemakers help to keep the peace, then it would be good for everyone, Turks Arabs and Jews alike. The only people it would offend are the Armenians who represent a tiny - 1-2 % of Lebanese - the remaining majority of Lebanese have nothing against Turks.

I cannot help feeling sorry for these protesters - I can only wonder - are they Lebanese first or Armenians first ? If they are real Lebanese, they would support outside help for their wartorn country, and appreciate Turkey's humanitarian help for the people of Lebanon

I hate to sound condescending, but the Armenians need to understand the realities of the contemporary world and think about the interests of the countries where they live in as well for a change.

I'm not the right person to answer, but this conspiracy trend is getting really annoying. The turkish soldiers have nothing to do with the genocide anyways.. With this kind of logic there should be no german soldiers either, what a stupidity.



Germany expects to send over 1,200 service personnel for Lebanon force
By Associated Press
Thursday, August 31, 2006 - Updated: 08:09 AM EST

BERLIN - Germany will likely contribute more than 1,200 service personnel to the U.N. peacekeeping force for Lebanon, its defense minister said in remarks published Thursday.

Germany has already offered warships backed by surveillance aircraft to prevent weapons being smuggled to Hezbollah guerrillas after their war with Israel. But officials have previously refused to say how many personnel Germany would send, insisting the precise mission must first be worked out.

Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung made his remarks when asked in a newspaper interview about reports that the German force would number about 1,200.

Thats true, but i still dont think that the soldiers have anything to do with this. (once again, im not the one who should be asked, its just an opinion from an outsider)


They are not protesting agains the soldiers themselves as individuals, but against the government that these soldiers represent.

No...cuz Turkey is the last country that comes to my mind if we think about 'peacekeeping' LOL

Ah? So that means Turkish ships shouldn't have come to rescue Lebanese people,Canadians,Americans during the war if we couldn't help about peacekeeping ?

im turk and i dont want to our soldiers to lebnoun.
lebnoun govermant dont support terrorist hizbullah

http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/arsivimage.aspx?picid=2024673 http://www.istanbulfm.com.tr/img/image_data/haber/dunyadan/1155904531230.jpg
what a army

i think its an insult to Lebnons Armenian community.

Let's see
Turkish are opposed by Armenians
Libya donations are opposed by Amal
Iranians & Syrians aids are not welcome by Sunni & Christians
Saudi, Jordanian & Egyptians aids are not welcome by Shites
and so on....

You can not make everyone happy

^^ Good point lol, although, why is Libya's donation opposed by Amal?

^^ Good point lol, although, why is Libya's donation opposed by Amal?

You know Moussa Al Sader problem

Turkish government submits resolution to parliament to send troops
Turkey's government on Friday submitted a resolution to parliament to send peacekeepers to Lebanon despite public opposition to the deployment.

The parliament is expected on Tuesday to vote on the resolution authorizing a one-year deployment of an unspecified number of troops.

The Turkish contribution to the expanded UN peacekeeping mission would include a naval task force to patrol the eastern Mediterranean and prevent arms smuggling.

Many in Turkey fear that their soldiers could end up facing hostile fire or could clash with fellow Muslims. But Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan offered assurances that Turkish soldiers would not be disarming Hezbollah militants.

According to the resolution, Turkish forces would also help train Lebanese army troops and provide sea and air transport in support of other national contingents in the UN force.

Europe, the United States and Israel are all eager to see peacekeepers from Turkey in Lebanon, in the hopes that strong Muslim participation would avoid any impression in Lebanon that the UN peacekeepers are primarily a Christian, European force.

Ah? So that means Turkish ships shouldn't have come to rescue Lebanese people,Canadians,Americans during the war if we couldn't help about peacekeeping ?
100% correct...

Let's see
Turkish are opposed by Armenians
Libya donations are opposed by Amal
Iranians & Syrians aids are not welcome by Sunni & Christians
Saudi, Jordanian & Egyptians aids are not welcome by Shites
and so on....

You can not make everyone happy

Precisely my point..

The bottom line is that peace should come to the Middle East via Lebanon, Israelis and Arabs should stop the violence and all countries including Turkey should have the opportunity to play a part in Lebanon's reconstruction. Satisfying everyone is neither realistic nor possible.

A recent poll held in Turkey

Send troops to lebanon %13
Don't send troops to lebanon %87

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/forum/lubnanasker/

If government still sends the troops it will be the begining of the end of AKP

interesting poll.

I would be against, for two reasons:
1- out of respect for the Armenian community: they are -rightly- traumatized by their past history with Turkey. Stationing troops in your country is no small matter, it cannot be compared to sending aid shipments or extending diplomatic relations.
2- Turkey has strategic pacts with Israel, which makes its armed presence in Lebanon problematic. Even if I did trust the current Turkish government, I do not know if I would trust the Turkish military establishment. will the Turkish troops be doing information-gathering in Lebanon for the Israelis? god knows what sort of relations Turkish intelligence have with the Israeli intelligence.

On a side note: the Turkish PEOPLE took courageous and moral positions during the last war. They should be given full credit for that, despite the fact that they have strategic and commercial interests with Israel that are far larger than what they have with Lebanon, numerous Turks did not hesitate to show their support for the Lebanese. For that we should thank them, as a matter of fact, they were better and more outspoken than many Arabs.

^^ very nicely said and to the point

Well said,khayam.

Here are the results from the polls of several turkish newspapers and a tv station for comparison. Yüzde means percentage , hayır ;no , evet ; yes and fikri yok=no idea . These polls will be changing little or more day by day , but will give the picture.

Hürriyet: Yüzde 76,8 hayır, yüzde 23,2 evet.
Milliyet: Yüzde 84 hayır, yüzde 16 evet.
Sabah: Yüzde 69,66 hayır, yüzde 28, 74 evet, yüzde 1,6 fikri yok.
NTV: Yüzde 74,61 hayır, yüzde 25,39 evet.

I am still 100 % in favour of Turkish troops in Lebanon.After all, we have to think with our minds, not hearts. We have to think what is best for the interests of the various countries in the region.

Turkey needs to prove itself as a bridge between East and West and that it can play the role of a mediator between two peoples at war.

Israel needs peace along it's northern border.

Lebanon also needs peace in order to rebuild and hopefully one day become the Switzerland of the Middle East once again.

If Turkish troops in Lebanon can help to achieve this goal, what can be wrong with that ?

Also remember the Turkish forces who may be sent are human beings with families and children of their own. Many young Turkish men and women who will be going to Lebanon will be leaving behind families, home and a country that respects them, into unchartered territory - they too could say something like - why the hell should we be sent into the Middle East if folks there cannot mind their own problems.

People should understand that Turkey and other countries that contribute troops there are making a sacrifice for the sake of Lebanon's future and well being.Lebanese should not forget that, and they should be grateful to all foreigners who are trying to help Lebanon at this time.

I agree with you Maltaboy, but things are not happening rationally in the ME sadly.

I'm against this! we got no business in lebanon.Israelis couldn't finish what they want now they expect UN to do it! I was all in favor of sending troops to Bosnia or Somalia or even afganistan but no lebanon.
I have nothing against Lebanon it's just there are other things that needs to be done.Helping Israel is out of question.

Some non lebanese people and lebanese people mentioned about armenians , and a french person irrationally compared it with german genocide. Let's ask this to them ;

Did jews in II. World War make massacres against germans and put them in mass graves? No. But Armenians placed the anatolian turkish , azeri turkish , kurdish , zaza people in mass graves consisted of babies , children , old people , young men , after mass killings naturally things got out of control.

Were jews trying to establish a jewish independent state in Eastern Germany with the strong weaponry support of Russia and killed economically poor germans having only agricultural tools instead of real weapons?
This happened to defenseless the anatolian turkish , azeri turkish , kurdish , zaza etc. people.

Why are turkish government , organizations incompetent about promoting their cause?
They had before an old imperial complex , like "The historians , researchers can come here to work in Ottoman documents , if they want to find the real truth . We can not go to their feet . We had incredible loss of our civilians and didn't start this thing & we have a grand history . How can we even bother to try to explain ourselves for these people's illegitimate claims?"

Then when decades were passing by these so- called- genocide- blasphemy by- murderous- armenians got out of hand and started to affect the image of Turkey in international politics . Then turkish people started to awaken and do smth very slowly never has a chance to catch up with a century old Armenian pr.
Their hard working lobbies are in everywhere , especially in US & France (the strongholds) managed to succeed their only , very mission of their existence .Their lobbies didn't give a hoot about mass immigrations of armenians from Armenia . The countries population dropped from 3,5 million to 2 million by extreme unemployment and starvation after the collapse of USSR. Important percentage of these armenians for along time living in Turkey illegally in underwaged jobs. This is the triumph of powerful armenian lobby living for this blasphemy , instead of investing in their country (which they can not live in those dire conditions) and try to make it prosper and creating wealth for "living armenians" , not for the ghosts.
Turkish citizens always had this though , "Don't show your pain to the world whatever happens to you and be modest."
An ancient graceful trait that is not applicable to today's world

More anti-Turkish demonstrations in Beirut...


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Turkey's atrocities in Lebanon ?

Pardon my ignorance, but the atrocities in Lebanon in recent years have been the preserve of Syrians, Israelis, Palestinians, and of course the various factions amongst the Lebanese themselves.

I feel awful that this gem of a country has become a byword for warfare and conflict, but how that could be the fault of TURKEY is beyond the realm of my understanding.The way I see it, these Lebanese Armenians are trying to pick yet another fight, making it sound like they want all the more bickering in addition to the recent conflict. Sad, sad !

By the way, are these protesters Armenians first or Lebanese. If they are so viscerally hostile to peacekeepers from other countries trying to stabilize their country simply because they happen to be their historical enemies, does it not suggest that they might well be Armenians whose loyalty to Lebanon comes a very distant second ?

^^ These people are all born and raised in Lebanon and their families have been in Lebanon for generations... oh and all I see are Lebanese flags.

As for the atrocities, I think they mean when Lebanon fought for independence from the Ottoman Empire. By the way, our famous Martyrs' Square in Beirut got its name because of the public hangings of Lebanese freedom fighters at the hands of the Turks. But of course they are still upset over the genocide and thats why they consider turks "murderers"...

These protesters are referring to TURKEY'S atrocities - the atrocities they speak of occurred under the Ottoman empire. Turkey and the Ottoman empire are two different things. I think perhaps a few could do with a history lesson or two.

Just out of curiosity - do people consider the UK and the British empire the same, the Modern Spanish nation and the Spanish empire the same, Russia and the USSR the same, Austria and the AustroHungarian empire the same ? I am not sure - to what extent can a modern nation be lumped into the same catagory as the empire that predated it ? More pertinently, to what extent can a country be regarded as being responsible for events that occurred hundreds of years ago ? I think this is food for thought.

A recent poll held in Turkey

Send troops to lebanon %13
Don't send troops to lebanon %87

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/forum/lubnanasker/

If government still sends the troops it will be the begining of the end of AKP

I remember when the previous Spanish government did something like that, sending troops to Iraq against the will of more than the 90% of the Spanish people. It was one of the reasons that made them flunk in the following elections... Apparently Turkey is doing the same stupid thing now... we'll see if the Turks will punish the AKP in the following elections.

As for the "atrocities commited by Turkey", refering to the times of the Ottoman Empire... well, as Maltaboy said, that's like comparing the ancient Spanish or British Empire to the modern nations of Spain and United Kingdom. We all make mistakes in the past, the Turkish army now would be going to Lebanon to help with the peace process... I'd say that shows the good intentions of the army and they do not deserve to be called asassins, when their task in Lebanon would be to risk their lives just to guarantee the security of the Lebanese civilians, I'd say Lebanese Armenians are being ungrateful.

More anti-Turkish demonstrations in Beirut...


more people die day by day in middle east because of this undeveloped mentality!!!

anyway im so sad what happened in Lebanon but on the other hand im totally against to send my people into the war zone. Turkish soldiers must not to risk their life in this part of earth. there were many demonstartions in Istanbul and other larger cities of Turkey last week, people against to send troops there...

It's your governmet sending them...Lebanon didn't ask for them and the Turks don't want them to go...i wonder what the hidden reasons are for Turkey's desire to go...

"dont send Turkish soldiers to Lebanon" demonstrations in different Turkish cities.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/09/05/PH2006090500244.jpg

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/20122005/882281/ANK01_wa.jpg

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/photo/92006/m53315.jpg

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/photo/92006/m53406.jpg

http://www.hurhaber.com/images/news/2138.jpg

http://www.bianet.org/haberfoto/84310_1.jpg http://www.bianet.org/haberfoto/83019_1.jpg

http://www.kureselbarisveadalet.org/bak/images/stories/bak/eylul1web1.jpg

http://www.kureselbarisveadalet.org/bak/images/stories/bak/eylul1web2.jpg

http://www.kureselbarisveadalet.org/bak/images/stories/bak/eylul5web.jpg

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http://www.halkinsesi-tv.com/images/AntalyaTezkerePro050906_6.gif

"dont send Turkish soldiers to Lebanon" demonstrations in different Turkish cities.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/09/05/PH2006090500244.jpg

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/20122005/882281/ANK01_wa.jpg

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/photo/92006/m53315.jpg

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/photo/92006/m53406.jpg

http://www.hurhaber.com/images/news/2138.jpg

http://www.bianet.org/haberfoto/84310_1.jpg http://www.bianet.org/haberfoto/83019_1.jpg

http://www.kureselbarisveadalet.org/bak/images/stories/bak/eylul1web1.jpg

http://www.kureselbarisveadalet.org/bak/images/stories/bak/eylul1web2.jpg

http://www.kureselbarisveadalet.org/bak/images/stories/bak/eylul5web.jpg

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Urban girl . Are these people whom are carrying the rainbow flags from Rainbow Piece Coalition or from the piece supporter gay organizations?
Even those these flags can belong to Rainbow Piece Coalition or not I've seen in the newspapers many times that Gay Organizatons were rallying with many organizations in different protests before.

I remember when the previous Spanish government did something like that, sending troops to Iraq against the will of more than the 90% of the Spanish people. It was one of the reasons that made them flunk in the following elections... Apparently Turkey is doing the same stupid thing now... we'll see if the Turks will punish the AKP in the following elections.

As for the "atrocities commited by Turkey", refering to the times of the Ottoman Empire... well, as Maltaboy said, that's like comparing the ancient Spanish or British Empire to the modern nations of Spain and United Kingdom. We all make mistakes in the past, the Turkish army now would be going to Lebanon to help with the peace process... I'd say that shows the good intentions of the army and they do not deserve to be called asassins, when their task in Lebanon would be to risk their lives just to guarantee the security of the Lebanese civilians, I'd say Lebanese Armenians are being ungrateful.

^^ I agree

There was a camp or were camps in Beka'a Valley in Lebanon that is very well known or "famous" in Turkey for "some kind of training" . If someone knows the purpose or the "Biji" mission of these camps and the "fame" in Turkey. I'll reward you with a big & loud bingo!

There was a camp or were camps in Beka'a Valley in Lebanon that is very well known or "famous" in Turkey for "some kind of training" . If someone knows the purpose or the "Biji" mission of these camps and the "fame" in Turkey. I'll reward you with a big & loud bingo!

Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) ?? http://www.tkb.org/documents/Groups/GR63_pkk.gif

Voilà . Not sure about the flag , maybe they changed it like the name to "KADEK" Yes , Sargon , more than 30.000 people were killed in Turkey , including babies & children & young soldiers etc. & big part of the terrorists were from these training camps. By the way these terrorists attacks happened not in Ottoman Empire , in a modern country called Turkey , till 1998 .

Only PKK? Armenian terrorist organization called ASALA was founded in Lebanon.And we're sending our soldiers to this country >(

I remember when the previous Spanish government did something like that, sending troops to Iraq against the will of more than the 90% of the Spanish people. It was one of the reasons that made them flunk in the following elections... Apparently Turkey is doing the same stupid thing now... we'll see if the Turks will punish the AKP in the following elections.



It's the same situation here in Turkey as well.A lot of experts said it will not be good for AKP's reputation and many said AKP lost a huge number of supporters that they won't be able to form the government all by themselves in the next elections.

This is sad!! We send soldiers although 90% of the population is against it and that'a your answer?

we sent troops to every region in order to be helpful and that's the answer of lebanese people!

turkish soldier in Somalia:
http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/kitaplar/isteturkiye/resimler/233.jpg

turkish troops in Afghanistan:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-12/16/xin_241201160929102132984.jpg
http://www.theturkishtimes.com/archive/02/03_01/n1.jpg


turkish soldiers in Bosnia:
http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Apr1998/980329-F-5920L-510_screen.jpg


turkish soldeirs in Korea:
http://www.awm.gov.au/korea/images/enlargements/279526.jpg
http://galen-frysinger.com/korea/korea35.jpg


turkish soldier in Kosovo:
http://www.nato.int/kfor/chronicle/images/2002/chronicle_200203/09a.jpg
http://www.nato.int/kfor/chronicle/images/2005/chronicle_200504/050417a.jpghttp://www.nato.int/kfor/chronicle/images/2005/chronicle_200504/050417b.jpg


turkish soldiers in Georgia:
http://eng.kizilay.org.tr/images/articles/3(3).jpg
http://www.timesunion.com/news/september11/timeline/graphics/0604turkey.jpg

Turkish soldiers in: Iran-Iraq war, Kuwait, east-timor etc....
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7510/tskml4.jpg


I don't have anything to say to Lebanon people, I am just dissapointed!

Urban girl . Are these people whom are carrying the rainbow flags from Rainbow Piece Coalition or from the piece supporter gay organizations?
Even those these flags can belong to Rainbow Piece Coalition or not I've seen in the newspapers many times that Gay Organizatons were rallying with many organizations in different protests before.

these groups are from "Küresel BAK" a Turkish organization called "Global Peace and Justice Coalition" this rainbow flags are their symbol and write "barış=peace" on it. probably they are supporter of gay rights too or they have support of gay organizations, i dont have a real idea about this:)

It's your governmet sending them...Lebanon didn't ask for them and the Turks don't want them to go...i wonder what the hidden reasons are for Turkey's desire to go...
well, Turkey will invade your country this is the hidden reason;)

AKP goverment is really in a wrong way, and they will lost the support of Turkish citizens in next election.

btw why dont armenia send troops there, there are more etchnic armenians in Lebanon, and almost none ethnic Turk live there. and the country full of terrorist organizations against Turkey. i disapointed too but still im supporter of lebanon beacuse their civilians didnt deserve a war like this.

Urban Girl, I also think Turkey shouldn't send troops to Lebanon... I mean, your soldiers shouldn't risk their lives for some people that aren't even going to thank them for their help.

these groups are from "Küresel BAK" a Turkish organization called "Global Peace and Justice Coalition" this rainbow flags are their symbol and write "barış=peace" on it. probably they are supporter of gay rights too or they have support of gay organizations, i dont have a real idea about this:)

That's something that also surprised me when I was in Italy, many Italian peace supporters use the rainbow flag with the word PACE (peace) written on it, and it's usually not about gay rights but about peace. However, as Urban Girl said, coincidentally those groups support gay rights as well.

woehahahaha Turkey didnt have Troops in Iran they where in Iraqi Kurdistan during the 1980/1988 war and we all know why they where there... :S Sorry but I dont think the Turks should risk there lifes for people who dont even want you there :S

Turkey is sending 1100 troops to Lebanon despite widespread Turkish public opinion against it, as revealed by opinion polls. If a single Turkish soldier gets killed there by an ASALA leftover, it will spell the end of the AKP government.

Lebanon is home to the Armenian terrorist organization ASALA which murdered many Turkish diplomats and blew up Turkish Airlines offices throughout the world in the 1970s and early 1980s, the most famous being at the Orly Airport in Paris which resulted with the deaths of many Turks, Frenchmen, Canadians, Americans, etc.

ASALA never ceased to exist, it only transformed itself to the PKK because the Armenians realized that they were damaging their own image as a "terrorist nation" so they decided that the Kurds should do the dirty job.

ASALA gave financial assistance and guerilla warfare training to the PKK in its camps at Bekaa Valley, Lebanon.

It's a big mistake to send our troops there.

It will be the end of the AKP government (at the cost of the lives of our soldiers)

We should send some "bombs" there (to Bekaa Valley) and not soldiers.

http://www.hvkk.mil.tr/Gururumuz/KARTAL/05_A.jpg

http://www.hvkk.mil.tr/Gururumuz/KARTAL/yakit_ikmali__.jpg

http://www.hvkk.mil.tr/Gururumuz/KARTAL/31.jpg

http://www.hvkk.mil.tr/Gururumuz/KARTAL/36.jpg

We are coming to grab your juicy ASSALA assnozzles :naughty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix2FSRajCJc

Video of Turkish troops entering Kosovo after 88 years (interestingly we'll also enter Lebanon after 88 years)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWxfPODJ9pM

See how people cheer the return of the Turks

Turkey has the largest peacekeeping force in Bosnia.

The international peacekeeping force there is under Turkey's command.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b114/CheeseBurger007/Millitary/Kosovo/340124.jpg

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Turks entering Kosovo:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b114/CheeseBurger007/Millitary/Kosovo/263092.jpg

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Okay this thread its getting out of control and people are beginning to say some offensive things so I suggest you all take it easy. I never intended for this thread to be "anti-turkish" or "anti-armenian" it was just to show you how the Lebanese Armenian community is reacting to this question to get opinions from forumers on the issue.

And to Zabazungamanga, how do you have the nerve to even jokingly suggest Turkey "send bombs" to Lebanon instead of troops - dont you think we have suffered enough???

I have now added a poll to this thread so please vote.

Well i mean, what do you expect, Turkey elected this AKP government who has done anything to prove its loyalty to the Arab world, even though turks are not of Arab orgin. The government is lead by erdogan and everyone knows his islamists leanings. Frankly, being a turk abroad i believe the military needs to depose of this islamists government as soon as possible, because if it dosn't soon it, the "gaurdians" of secular turksih society will be in danger. Further Turkish troops do not belong in lebanon, as this further complicats turkeys position in the region, and ties it to being manipulated or having abligations even further to the arab states, but also Its NATO Allies. By the way who reffussed to help turkey if they were attacked by Iraq during the 2003 American invasion.

You people think that Armenians don't want Turkish troops for the sake of not wanting them? i suggest u check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide and see why they REALLY don't want them, and this is and interesting phrase from the article:


Many of the Armenian recruits were taken and executed by Turkish soldiers and squads of chetes (groups whose roles were similar to Nazi Germany's Einsatzgruppen) in remote areas.[2] Those who initially survived were turned into road laborers (hamals) and construction mules but were eventually killed thereafter.[3]


Well it's obviouse Turks were no better than Nazi Germans, but then again the Germans had the dignity of admitting their atrocities.

and BTW to whoever posted the fighter jet pics, good for u...u have planes let's celebrate!

I have now added a poll to this thread so please vote.

It's a bit late tho.Troops will be there next week.The commander of the troops is in Lebanon right now.

And the answer is simply, No! We have enough soldiers abroad in reasonable regions for Turks.Lebanon is way out of our way.

And zabazunga what does Turkish jets have to with this thread?

To our Turkish forumers: friends, please do not take offense to this note, and I mean it in the most amicable way: but do you know how obnoxious you become when you turn into an ultra-nationalist mob whenever someone says anything that is the least controversial?
What is it with posting pictures of fighter jets and asking to bomb Lebanon and the rest of this garbage? do you think that you convince anyone of anything with this attitude? the only thing you do is that you make debate and discussion so annoying that no one would like to add anything to these posts.
I really love Turkey and I was deeply touched by the Turks who marched in support of Lebanon during the last war, so I really say this out of concern: when discussing with people of different nationalities you need to get rid of the primitive mentality of "lucky is he who can call himself a Turk" and the such, and try to talk to people with respect. If you are a 16-year-old who believes everything he was told in Highschool, I cannot change your mind on an online forum, but at least be courteous and measured, if people in Turkey do not want Turkish troops in Lebanon, and the Lebanese think the same, then where is the problem?
When you "jump to your guns" in such a way, it really reminds of the Israelis....

Don't talk as if all turks had posted pics of fighters here! It was just one person!!!
I hopre Turks don't send any troops, instead of turks Israel should have the control in the region! That's what you want!

Even if there was a "genocide" (which is not proven) what's the realtioship here? Do the armenians think turks will kill them all? How brainwashed are they! Tell Armenia to send troops then, we pay the transportation of the armenian troops, don't worry :D

"Well it's obviouse Turks were no better than Nazi Germans, but then again the Germans had the dignity of admitting their atrocities."


This comment by Leb-it is extremely ignorant & very insulting to turks , only informed by one sided Armenian 100 years old propaganda.

Turkish people thought equalizing Lebanon with terror infested , supporting country was not fair.

Turkish people are very naive in many ways and sometimes manipulated by their powerful media , so they support Lebanese in the last marches.
I know that there are still objective calm lebanese people think differently then some extremist ones.

the guy who posted fighter pics is "ASIMOV" (Zabazungamanga). he is a well known poster, probably you dont know him because most of the Labenese forumers are too new in this forum, anyway this is his 100th new nickname(i guess) and dont care him because he is asimov(just ask him to an old european forumer) so there isnt any problem just dont care him because you dont know him , actually.

Urban Girl , the turkish gay organizations are very active in many protests , kinda like Italy , like Anton Ameneiro mentioned. They're getting more & more powerful , as it seems.
Urban Girl , don't tell me that you didn't join to those and to various protests , being in the queen of the cities.

"Well it's obviouse Turks were no better than Nazi Germans, but then again the Germans had the dignity of admitting their atrocities."


This comment by Leb-it is extremely ignorant & very insulting to turks , only informed by one sided Armenian 100 years old propaganda.

Turkish people thought equalizing Lebanon with terror infested , supporting country was not fair.

Turkish people are very naive in many ways and sometimes manipulated by their powerful media , so they support Lebanese in the last marches.
I know that there are still objective calm lebanese people think differently then some extremist ones.

Truth hurts doesn't it...well in any case I was talking about the ottoman turks, i don't know if u regard yourself as one

It is unfortunate this has turned into an Arab vs Turk, Turk vs Lebanese, Armenian vs everybody kind of argument.

I just hope for friendship and goodwill amongst all peoples and I hope Turkish and other troops get into Lebanon for a short period of time so that Lebanon will have the opportunity to become into the nation that it deserves to be.....for ALL it's people, including the Armenians.

"Truth hurts doesn't it..."
This person is looking for provacation . I think , he or she is not satisfied yet.
Looking for lebanese cool headed people , instead of a provacateur. Anyone?

That's what do deserve!! At least people who don't want Turkey because of the so called "armenian genocide".

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what a army

the "so-called" Armenian genocide? how can u deny such a thing?

It is unfortunate this has turned into an Arab vs Turk, Turk vs Lebanese, Armenian vs everybody kind of argument.

I just hope for friendship and goodwill amongst all peoples and I hope Turkish and other troops get into Lebanon for a short period of time so that Lebanon will have the opportunity to become into the nation that it deserves to be.....for ALL it's people, including the Armenians.

Maltaboy has a nice , friendly , balanced point here , since this thread participants aren't making the things easy for people.
I am not commenting about the sending of the troops there . It is a very hard call.

That's what do deserve!! At least people who don't want Turkey because of the so called "armenian genocide".

whats up with these photos? maybe im blind

^^ You see lebanese soldiers serving tea to israeli soldiers.

the "so-called" Armenian genocide? how can u deny such a thing?

First of all this doesn't have anything to do with the so called armenian genocide, this should be clear to you.
Secondly I can deny it because it has been proven 1000 times that it was not a genocide but a regional war with the armenians living there. I don't want to talk about this anymore because it doesn't help people to understand the situation since they don't listen to you... I deny it, my government denies it so there was no genocide for me.

^^ You see lebanese soldiers serving tea to israeli soldiers.

So? there is one enemy, and its hezbollah, no hezbollah no problem.

^^ I'm not sure about that. Some weeks ago I saw here many people who blamed Israel and now they are your friends? If so keep serving..
Btw what do you think why Turkish armed forces want to enter in Lebanon? In order to support Hizbollah?

In order to support peace, and to keep away Hezbollah

so what's the problem that those armenian-lebanese have?

So? there is one enemy, and its hezbollah, no hezbollah no problem.

Please Bikes if many people oppose hezbollah's strategy "including myself" you can not call them the Lebanese Army enemy as I think that you are aware than 40% of Lebanese are pro hezbollah

40%??? Why do we send troops to Lebanon then!!! They won't be able to do anything against 40% of Lebanon's population.

I know its 40%, but it could change with good politics and education. Also, they mostly support the Gov party i guess not the military wing.

Its more like 30% and that is mostly the Shia Muslim population, NOT the other several sects that make up the country. People need to remember that %s mean nothing in Lebanon because it is a society structured on balance between all religions, so even though the Shia are the largest group they are in no way the political or cultural majority. So instead of saying 40%(shia) to 60%(everyone else), say 17 to 1 (for instance). Sorry if this is confusing...

The high percentage of Shia pop. is interesting , despite of Lebanon is kinda far from Iraq & Iran. Probably during the long time of the wars of Hizbullah etc. Israel , they were the most stabilized and rising in numbers among all other groups. Can we call this the success of mullahs of Iran. I would!

The high percentage of Shia pop. is interesting , despite of Lebanon is kinda far from Iraq & Iran. Probably during the long time of the wars of Hizbullah etc. Israel , they were the most stabilized and rising in numbers among all other groups. Can we call this the success of mullahs of Iran. I would!

No, the high percentage of Shite pop in Lebanon has nothing to do with mullahs of Iran. It is a long story

First of all this doesn't have anything to do with the so called armenian genocide, this should be clear to you.
Secondly I can deny it because it has been proven 1000 times that it was not a genocide but a regional war with the armenians living there. I don't want to talk about this anymore because it doesn't help people to understand the situation since they don't listen to you... I deny it, my government denies it so there was no genocide for me.
wow, what a shame that people like u exist. if u see a genocide, and cant call a spade a spade, than i feel ashamed of ur existance, as a human being, that people like u exist. and i know ur government doesnt see it as genocide, but every other government in the world does

^^ I don't care what yout think so don't spend your time with commenting on my posts!

^^and we don't care what you think, so don't bother posting in this forum

And nobody cares what both Lebanese & Turkish people think :) The Turkish government is sending its army regardless of its people opinion & the Lebanese government is welcoming them regardless of Lebanese people opinion... So no need for the fruitless discussion..

if you don't care don't response my posts! You can't tell me what to do..

The Turkish Military is confusing,

They are Muslims yet a few of their generals are Jewish,

They are the defenders of a Muslim Nation, yet Secularism is their Motto.

I personally adore Turkey and its people HOWEVER

Hezbollah + Turkey = Trouble

u dare to call Turkish Generals are jew, thats absurd.
no jews nor armenians allowed as as official in the military.
By the way, yes Turks should goto Lebanon, it's their duty to help and keep the peace in that region.

u dare to call Turkish Generals are jew, thats absurd.
no jews nor armenians allowed as as official in the military.



WTF :rofl:

Do you not know that the Turkish military is Secular??


And yes there are Jewish Generals in the Turkish Army, Search for Michael Coren and email him. He is a Canadian Talk show host and personally knows of Jewish Generals in the Turkish army!!

WTF :rofl:

Do you not know that the Turkish military is Secular??


And yes there are Jewish Generals in the Turkish Army, Search for Michael Coren and email him. He is a Canadian Talk show host and personally knows of Jewish Generals in the Turkish army!!

In turkish army , the most alerting people are conservative sunnis. They are found to be suspicious generally.

In turkish army , the most alerting people are conservative sunnis. They are found to be suspicious generally.


Can you please expand on what your saying.

WTF :rofl:

Do you not know that the Turkish military is Secular??


And yes there are Jewish Generals in the Turkish Army, Search for Michael Coren and email him. He is a Canadian Talk show host and personally knows of Jewish Generals in the Turkish army!!

In turkish army , the most alerting people are conservative sunnis. They are found to be suspicious generally. No conservative people of any kind is tolerated . Moderate believers are acceptable , instead.

Also the definition of about Turkey being a muslim nation , is very flawed.

The Turkey is a secular nation that has people of various philosophies , thoughts , beliefs and has big population of muslims of various kinds that are mostly different than southern mediterrenean and the eastern muslims.

Every religion changes forms & adapts according to the land that it is in. Thousands of years of Anatolian , hellenistic , roman-byzantine-ottoman and last but not least western european effects shaped Turkey . You have to consider the geography , as well .

Like Indian Sub-continent ( Bangladesh,India, Pakistan etc) countries or Gulf Arabs would have very different sense of Islam than Bosnians , Albanians, Turks etc. , due to the multiple reasons.

name me one jew general in Turkish Army, give me one name.

name me one jew general in Turkish Army, give me one name.


Email Micheal Coren.

guess what uoft....NONE so don't make speculative comments that u hear from one talk show whoever might be . do ur research first then talk about the facts and realities.
please don't get me wrong, i am not here to put down on anybody. I am just saying the fact and thats the way it is and it has been since Republic of Turkey has established.

Every religion changes forms & adapts according to the land that it is in. Thousands of years of Anatolian , hellenistic , roman-byzantine-ottoman and last but not least western european effects shaped Turkey . You have to consider the geography , as well .


Actually, its been 80 years since the fall of the last Sultanate in Turkey, I dont know where this thousands of years of evolution your talking about is coming from but the Ottoman empire believe me was pretty similar to any other Islamic empire. Their fall was in the 1920's.


Like Indian Sub-continent ( Bangladesh,India, Pakistan etc) countries or Gulf Arabs would have very different sense of Islam than Bosnians , Albanians, Turks etc. , due to the multiple reasons.


Again you have a serious misconception, go back just 90 years and the average Turk's religous life would be very similar to the avg. Indonesians religious life let alone Muslims from the subcontinent.

You must not know much about life under Turkish Khalafah (Islamic Rule).

No, the high percentage of Shite pop in Lebanon has nothing to do with mullahs of Iran. It is a long story

I didn't say mullahs of Iran created shia population.
But I meant historical facts of having shia stronghold in Leb. helped Iran to manipulate Lebanon for its own politics and whenever wished to do so. Also financial and political support from that country helped them to be stabilized much better in Lebanon.

guess what uoft....NONE so don't make speculative comments that u hear from one talk show whoever might be . do ur research first then talk about the facts and realities.
please don't get me wrong, i am not here to put down on anybody. I am just saying the fact and thats the way it is and it has been since Republic of Turkey has established.


Attila how can you claim there are none without doing your research,
Im not saying what i'm saying is factual but it is something that i've been hearing these days in the media.

If u want a reminder as to how secular Turkey is here's refresher,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeisjipCmCo

Don't get me wrong i'm a well wisher for Turks but lets not get disillusional.

again nonmuslims nor fundamental islamist are not allowed in Turkish Military as an high official. give me a name....

again nonmuslims nor fundamental islamist are not allowed in Turkish Military as an high official. give me a name....


I doubt this man will give me names even if I emailed him, but he is half Jewish and claims to know personally Jewish Generals in the Turkish Army.

You could email and try it if you want.


http://www.michaelcoren.com/

Actually, its been 80 years since the fall of the last Sultanate in Turkey, I dont know where this thousands of years of evolution your talking about is coming from but the Ottoman empire believe me was pretty similar to any other Islamic empire. Their fall was in the 1920's.




Again you have a serious misconception, go back just 90 years and the average Turk's religous life would be very similar to the avg. Indonesians religious life let alone Muslims from the subcontinent.

You must not know much about life under Turkish Khalafah (Islamic Rule).

My friend . I know in some countries , there are some wierd perceptions about Ottomans , as I learned those , when I met some people from Palestine
,Gulf Countries , Asia etc. The info was absolutely distorted according to the regimes that they lived in.

When Khalifat was imported from Egypt by Emperor Yavuz Selim to Konstaniyye-Istanbul in 16th century for mere political reasons, not like the conservative islamic-utopic ideals that has depicted in some countries. Most of the Ottoman Emperors loved , enjoyed drinking wine , as having vineyards in Eastern Europe & in Anatolia , numerous bars all over existed called "meyhane" . The application of religion was loose , whenever it fitted to the politics a trait that was carried from Byzantines. By the way Byzantine , (East Roman) dynasties and Ottoman dynasty were related by blood. They married into each other.

The daughters of last Ottoman Emperors didn't cover their heads , had western european education , learned how to play piano , singing , learning many languages etc. Some of the emperors even composed pieces in Central European Classical music.

Many Central European aristocrats and many western europeans sent their kids for high education to Istanbul , as like another european capital. Many of my family were graduated from those schools.

Do you think these depictions describe the utopic islamic ideals of some conservative regimes that they bestowed on Ottoman Empire?

Uoft give us a name or else you're giving false information.Why would I wanna email that guy whatever his name?you email him and than post the general's name here.What kind of statement is that email a guy he will tell you.How old are you, 9? lol

Armenians Rally Against Turkish Participation in U.N. Peacekeeping Force in Lebanon


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Thousands of Lebanon's Armenians rallied in Beirut Thursday against Turkish troops taking part in a U.N. peacekeeping force there, on the same day France moved to make denial of the Ottoman genocide of Armenians a crime.
Armenian political and religious leaders attended the demonstration, which came just two days after the first contingent of Turkish peacekeepers arrived to police a ceasefire between Israel and Hizbullah.

The rally took place on Beirut's downtown Place des Martyrs, which honors six Lebanese nationalists who were hanged by the Ottomans during World War I.

The crowd, drawn from an Armenian community of about 140,000 people, held high banners denouncing the presence of Turkish troops as "an insult to the collective memory of the Armenian people", while waving Armenian, Lebanese and French flags.

"Genocide, massacre, deportation: Turkey's definition of peace," read another banner.

Earlier Thursday, French deputies approved a bill making it a crime to deny that the 1915-1917 massacre of Armenians by the Ottomans was genocide, provoking the fury of Turkey, the modern state that emerged from the Ottoman Empire.

"What France has done is very good. The Lebanese government should do the same instead of welcoming Turkish troops," said an elderly demonstrator who gave his name as Taurus.

"Chirac is on the right track," said one of the organizers, Sarkis Katchadorian, referring to French President Jacques Chirac.

Overriding widespread opposition, the Turkish parliament approved a government motion on September 5 to contribute troops to the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) following a ceasefire that ended 34 days of fighting.

In total, Turkey is to deploy some 700 soldiers in Lebanon, including troops aboard naval ships. Those that landed on Tuesday were the first Muslim peacekeepers to arrive in the war-scarred country.

Turkey contests the term "genocide" and strongly opposed the French bill.

It says 300,000 Armenians, and at least as many Turks, died in civil strife when Armenians took up arms for independence and sided with invading Russian troops as the Ottoman Empire fell apart during World War I.

Armenians say up to 1.5 million of their ancestors were slaughtered in orchestrated killings, which they maintain can only be seen as genocide.

The French bill must now go to the Senate, or upper house of parliament, for another vote.


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poor statue... all that its been through!!!

lol :D yes,i understand
But they got their point,i donnu,i just respect their point of view.

I think Turkey's relations with Israel are a bit too warm, for it to be a suitable choice for this role. Example: Turkish soldiers may be more hesitant when confronting with Israel if Israel violates a boundry.

poor statue... all that its been through!!!

lol I know what u mean ... I'd hate to be the poor sap sitting on some part of it when it breaks off mid-protest!

^^ LOL I mean seriously... the thing has been shot 50 times, had an arm broken off, and has been suffocated with so many different flags and posters as well as been trampled on at least once a week.... gotta love freedom though!

oh lots of armos there lol...my friend was there the Daily Star interviewed her